North Carolina County Magistrate Resigns Out of Refusal to Perform Same-Sex ‘Marriages’

NC Legislature Credit Jayron32ROCKINGHAM COUNTY, N.C. — A North Carolina magistrate has resigned out of his refusal to perform same-sex “marriages” due to his religious beliefs, and a second is also refusing to conduct the ceremonies due to his faith.

Judge John Kallam Jr. of Rockingham County submitted his resignation on Thursday, stating that participating in the act was against his religion, and that he believed that voters had already spoken on the issue.

“It is my personal belief and a position of my Christian faith that doing so would desecrate a holy institution established by God himself,” he wrote.

Magistrate Judge Gary Littleton of Pasquotank County likewise refused to perform the ceremony for two Elizabeth City men on Monday.

“My understanding is that a couple came and asked to be married and he refused to marry them based upon his, I guess, religious or moral principles,” Chief District Court Judge Christopher Bean told local television station WAVY.

The issue arises after U.S. District Court Judge Max O. Cogburn Jr., nominated to the bench by Barack Obama, overturned the state’s ban on same-sex “marriage” last Friday, opining that a North Carolina constitutional amendment enshrining marriage as being solely between a man and a woman violated the U.S. Constitution.

“The issue before this court is neither a political issue nor a moral issue. It is a legal issue,” he claimed. “[I]t is clear as a matter of what is now settled law in the Fourth Circuit that North Carolina laws prohibiting same sex marriage, refusing to recognize same sex marriages originating elsewhere, and/or threating to penalize those who would solemnize such marriages, are unconstitutional.”

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As previously reported, in April, the Cleveland, Ohio-based United Church of Christ (UCC), which is outside of biblical orthodoxy and was the first American religious group to ordain homosexuals and affirm abortion, filed a suit in federal court to challenge the marriage amendment. Several local clergy members from within the UCC and those from other sects also joined the litigation.

The plaintiffs asserted that North Carolina’s ban on same-sex “marriage” unlawfully bars them from serving a certain sector of the public, thus inhibiting their religious liberty to perform their clerical duties.

“By denying same-sex couples the right to marry and prohibiting religious denominations even from performing marriage ceremonies for same-sex couples, the State of North Carolina stigmatizes same-sex couples, as well as the religious institutions and clergy that believe in equal rights,” the suit stated, as reported by the Charlotte Observer.

Others named in the suit included Joe Hoffman of the First Congregational United Church of Christ in Asheville Robin Tanner of Piedmont Unitarian Universalist Church; Jonathan Freirich of Temple Beth El; Nancy Kraft of Holy Trinity Lutheran, Nathan King of Trinity Reformed UCC in Concord; Mark Ward of Asheville Unitarian Universalist Congregation and Nancy Petty of Pullen Memorial Baptist in Raleigh.

North Carolina Attorney General Roy Cooper, who supports homosexual unions, originally sought to put aside his personal beliefs and defend Amendment One, a ballot initiative that passed with 61 percent of the vote in 2012. However, as the 4th Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a lower court ruling striking down Virginia’s same-sex “marriage” ban in late July, Cooper concluded that it would be futile to defend North Carolina’s law as well. North Carolina is under the jurisdiction of the 4th Circuit Court.

Following Friday’s ruling by Judge Coburn, state court officials released a memo declaring that a refusal by county magistrates to perform same-sex “marriages” is a violation of their oath of office. Those who do not comply could face suspension, dismissal and misdemeanor criminal charges, reports state.

But some Christians are championing the magistrates to take a stand for God and refuse to participate in sin.

“Western civilization was built upon the family as designed by God. The homosexualization of marriage is an attack upon the core of our civilization. We have a federal government that has been imposing immoral policies upon our nation through raw judicial whim for years,” wrote Matt Trewhella, author of “The Doctrine of Lesser Magistrates” and “The Madgeburg Confession”, surrounding Littleton’s refusal to officiate the ceremonies. “All good people should rally to this magistrate and defend him with both public and private actions.”

“It is not up to us to question what God defined as marriage in Genesis Chapter 2,” James Lochridge Jr., the pastor of Second Baptist Church in Kings Mountain, told the Shelby Star in August. “If our elected officials will not stand up for the Christian principles on which this country was founded, then we, the voters, need to elect those who will. America has been a great nation in the past because we have stood on God’s word from the beginning.”

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  • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

    It’s terrible they had to resign but I think that this is the way we are headed…if you are a believer in the One True God, then we’ve got to separate ourselves from the rest of the world. Honestly though, If I could just live on my own little island filled with my fellow believers in Christ and just live as our God intended and outlined in the Bible, I would sell all that I have to do so. And I’m sure the non-belivers would be happy to let us part ways with them as well.

    • jmichael39

      I have to agree, Regina….worse yet, I think the only way we get to return to a true constitutional republic is for a few states to secede.

      • Pax Humana

        We do not need a Constitutional Republic, rather, what we need is a Theocratic Monarchy by Manifest Destiny, as was originally ordained by YAHWEH EL ELOHIM Himself in His Holy Scriptures.

        • jmichael39

          well, that already exists…but not of this world. So, you’ll have to wait for a chance to go home to that kingdom. Right now we have a diplomatic job to do here.

    • Rus Shore

      Actually, many non-believers such as myself are happy there is diversity in the world. We only have problems with those people who use their beliefs to subjugate others. People who believe that any human is in some way less than them aren’t religious. They are scum who hide behind their religious beliefs to justify their bigotry.

      • Gary

        Why is homosexuality moral?

        • Rus Shore

          Morality is highly subjective, so I’m not saying it is our isn’t. I’m just saying that if you think someone is less of a person than you are because of who they innately are, your beliefs are for sh$t.

          • Gary

            Well, all of that is just your opinion, and you can’t prove any of it.

          • Rus Shore

            You’re correct, but it sounds like you’re saying it’s ok to think less of someone for who they innately are. It’s that correct? If not, please explain.

      • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

        I can agree with that. I’m just so doggone sick of getting harassed just because I’m wearing a cross or saying “God bless you” when someone sneezes. Stuff like that wants me to pack up and move to my own planet if I could.

        • Rus Shore

          If that happens, I’d agree with you too. We all have the right to our beliefs. We are not free from criticism for them, of course. I won’t criticize someone who uses their religious beliefs for nothing but good. My question to you is, is anyone actually harrasing you for wearing a cross or saying “God bless you”?

  • Gary

    I appreciate the magistrates who refuse to “marry” sodomites. But I do wish they would negotiate some better deals for themselves. Only agree to resign if the government gives you an attractive severance package. Otherwise, drag your feet. Threaten to sue for a violation of your first amendment rights. There is no reason the equality of homosexuals, which is not in the Constitution, should override the freedom of religion, which is in the Constitution.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      The 14th Amendment guarantees equal protection under the law. If straight people can get married, so can gays.

      • Gary

        The 14th amendment does not require the legalization of ssm, only that homosexuals are free to marry under the same rules as heterosexuals, bi-sexuals, trans-sexuals, or any other group.

        • Rus Shore

          So you just contradicted yourself. “….the equality of homosexuals, which is not in the Constitution….” But then you say that the 14th Amendment gives freedom of marriage to homosexuals. So which is it?

          • Gary

            There is no justification of homosexuality in the US Cons.. Homosexuality is not addressed in the US Cons.. Homosexuals have always been free to marry as long as they marry by the same rules all others must go by. But they don’t want that. They want the rules to be changed to give them what they want. And the courts are giving it to them, and falsely claiming that it is required by the US Cons..

          • Ambulance Chaser

            As I keep trying to tell you people, if the courts have given it to them, then it’s law. I know you don’t like it, but that’s irrelevant. The only thing you can do to turn it around it either win some cases or pass some laws. When I say “laws,” at this point, you’d need to pass a Constitutional Amendment, but hey, if you really feel that strongly about it, you’re welcome to try.

            The only thing you can’t do is stick your fingers in your ears and shout “la la, I can’t hear you, gay marriage is still illegal.” Like it or not, until something changes in the law, it’s legal.

          • Gary

            You, the government, and some people regard it as legal, but I don’t. I am not going along. Not going to play the game. Not going to accept ssm as legitimate in any way.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Well, luckily for gay couples, their rights aren’t dependent on your say-so.

          • SpeakTruth

            Sir, there are countless things that are not “justified” in the constitution, yet they are still legal. Same sex marriage and bi-racial marriage have been determined to be legal and a right. You get to marry the person you love if that person agrees to marry you. Every citizen of NC now has the same right: to marry the person they love, provided that person agrees. It is not falsely “claimed”, it has repeatedly been decided by countless judges across this country.

          • Gary

            It would be good if the judges made decisions that were actually in the US Cons. Making laws is not the job of judges. But they have discovered they can do it and get away with it, so they keep doing it.

          • SpeakTruth

            They did make decisions that were in the US Constitution, Gary. Of course it is your right to disagree, however, it is unlikely that all of the federal judges made the same “error”. No one is suggesting you must think their judgment is “moral”. My grandparents (from Alabama) still believe biracial marriage is immoral. They thought the US would fall apart when segregation ended. But, we are all still here. Gay marriage will be a non-issue in a few years.

          • Rus Shore

            Being black isn’t justified in the Constitution either. Do they not have the right to be married either?

          • MC

            You can’t choose your skin color nor can you change it.

          • Gary

            Having dark skin is not a behavior. And it isn’t immoral.

          • Robby Clewley

            people are born black just like people are born gay

          • Robby Clewley

            Gary , shut up

          • Jeff Varney

            Make him shut up, idiot!

          • Robby Clewley

            LOL. The perfect Christian is calling me names lol

        • Ambulance Chaser

          “DOMA seeks to injure the very class New York seeks to protect. By doing so it violates basic due process and equal protection principles applicable to the Federal Government.” Justice Anthony Kennedy, United States v. Windsor.

          Although I will admit that I should have said “5th Amendment equal protection” rather than “14th Amendment.” Nonetheless, the argument stands.

      • Pax Humana

        …and yet heterophobia (homosexuality) is the promotion of discrimination in numerous ways by default…can we say “separate but equal redux?”

      • Robby Clewley

        amen

    • James Grimes

      A point well made. Thanks.

    • William Mazeo

      Agreed. He should stay and let the “state” fight to fire him. Doing this you make clear to everyone about what is going on and the homo dictatorship that a small group is trying to implement.
      And who knows, maybe he could even win this.

    • Robby Clewley

      You are a bigoted,hateful person. and you call yourself a Christian ? Yeah right. Being a Christian is about LOVE and ACCEPTANCE. Awe are you sad gay marriage is now legal in 31 states and DC ? Get used to it , we are coming for 50

      • Jeff Varney

        Who is bigoted and hateful now? Look in the mirror, Robby.

        • Robby Clewley

          Not hateful at all. Just stating a fact. When you judge gay people you are homophobic and hateful. FACT

  • BarkingDawg

    If he was unable to separate the secular from the spiritual, then perhaps being a magistrate was not not something he was meant to do.

    • Pax Humana

      …and yet secularism was defined by both the United States Supreme Court in 1961 and confirmed, affirmed, AND upheld with a similar ruling from the United States Federal Court Fourth District in 2005, so go do the world a favor and gnaw on your chew toy, little puppy.

      • Rus Shore

        How in the h##l does that speak to his comment on any way, you patronizing little pr##k?

        • Pax Humana

          You are a fucking pussy.

    • MC

      “COURT RULES ATHEISM A RELIGION”

      “The Supreme Court has said a religion need not be based on a belief in the existence of a supreme being. In the 1961 case of Torcaso v. Watkins, the court described “secular humanism” as a religion.”

      http://www.wnd.com/2005/08/31895/

  • James Grimes

    Same sex “marriage.” What a joke. Only the delusional believe that it can really work. It just isn’t normal.

    • Rus Shore

      You’re substituting the word “normal” where you mean to say “majority” or “not normal to me”. Most of America says that not only is it normal, but they are just fine with it. So, that means it isn’t normal for you to feel the way you feel about it.

      • James Grimes

        LOL. I’m not interested. Bye.

        • Rus Shore

          As usual, Mr. Grimes, you are only interested in leaving a quick insult about an entire group of people with no interest in a rational conversation. That shows your level of intellect.

          • C.P. Steinmetz

            Oh wow! You sure nailed it. I don’t believe Mr Grimes ever added positive thoughts to any conversation – just, as you note, a gratuitous insult. And he talks about the ‘useless’.

          • Pax Humana

            I do not think that you think, Mr. Steinmetz, and that neither does your friend.

          • Gary

            Why is homosexuality moral?

          • James Grimes

            Rus, Proverbs 26:4 prohibits me from engaging with Atheists. I know you want to argue the merits, or lack of according to you, of Christianity. Sorry, but no. Feel free to believe what you want about me. I have no tolerance for Atheists nor do I appreciate their presence here.

          • Pax Humana

            I will engage with the mental midget. He WILL learn his place on this planet or he will pay the penalty for refusing to understand the Law, period, full stop.

          • James Grimes

            Not interested.

          • Pax Humana

            Did I say or imply yourself in that conversation, James Grimes? No, I was talking about the moron that was trying to give you a hard time. Please DO keep up with the conversation sometime, okay? Thank you.

          • Rus Shore

            Someone who doesn’t have the logic to understand that there has never been a single ounce of proof found for the existence of any god just called me a mental midget and threatened me with his non-existent god. That’s beyond hilarious!

          • jmichael39

            Oh good…someone who claims to want a rational debate AND who claims there not a single ounce of proof for the existence of a Creator. You ready, Rus?

          • Rus Shore

            Bring it. Make sure it’s credible in the eyes of the scientific community, though. We atheists don’t accept “Look at a sunset and tell me there isn’t a creator” as proof. I’ll answer you tomorrow. Heading to bed.

          • jmichael39

            “Make sure it’s credible in the eyes of the scientific community, though.” – wait a minute…before we get started on this. Are you trying to tell me that science holds a monopoly on truth? That there is no possibly of truth outside the realm of your five senses and what your mind can somehow understand?

          • ken

            Skag, you don’t look “scientific.” What was ACT score in science?

            Dumb atheist trolls, such bored losers….

          • Rus Shore

            I’m sorry. Maybe you can tell me what scientific is supposed to look like so I can live up to your expectations since that’s so important to me. Rather than being simply insulting, maybe you’d care to contribute a thoughtful opinion to the discussion?

            By the way, although I’m more of a technology guy, I did very well on my ACT’s all around (more than 25 years ago) . Thanks for asking.

          • Robby Clewley

            I believe in God , he exists and he also accepts and loves gay people . Its not a sin. You have been lied to by the religious right

          • jmichael39

            well, those are interesting claims, Robby. Would you care to share the basis for your claim that it is not a sin?

          • Robby Clewley

            Not in the 10 commandments and he speaks to my heart and tells me I am OK how I am and he supports my relationship with my boyfriend

          • jmichael39

            Last I saw, there was a heckuva lot more to the Bible then the 10 commandments. And when someone comes along and says He speaks to their heart and tells them that homosexual behavior is a sin, who gets to decide who’s right? I’ve giving you a chance to prove from the Bible that homosexual behavior is okay with God. Surely there were homosexuals in biblical times. God would surely have something to say about it.

          • Robby Clewley

            We’ll you say its wrong , I say its right but the law also is overwhelming saying its right and gay marriage is now legal in 31 states and DC. You are fighting a losing battle plus why do you care . You are not having gay relationships so why do you care if I do … do you lose sleep at night over it ?? You right wing fake Christians really baffle me

          • jmichael39

            I don’t just say its wrong. I say the BIBLE says its wrong. What I think about it is utterly irrelevant. What YOU think about it, for that matter, is also utterly irrelevant.

            As for what the law says or what 31 states say…if you’re a Christian, what do you care what the law says when the act is biblically a sin? In Nazi Germany it was legal to treat Jews as subhuman…to the point of killing 6 million of them. In many countries it is perfectly okay to kill homosexuals. Should a Christian abide by those laws? Are those laws okay?
            If you’re a Christian, only what the word of God says should matter in issues of sin or non-sin. So I ask you again…what does the Bible say about homosexuality?

          • Robby Clewley

            Those verses in the bible against homosexuality applied in those times but this is 2014 and God says it is OK and as love as people love each other that is all that matters. Did you seriously just compare gay people to Nazis ? If anything we are the Jews who are being persecutued by right wing Christians . Being gay is NOT a sin. The bible also promoted rape and other things that are not supported . What about that ? You just cant accept it being legal and gay people being treated equally. What the scary part is you brainwash your kids with these homophobic views if you have kids.

          • MC

            “and God says it is OK”

            Can you show me that God said, “homosexuality is ok” since it’s 2014? Are you inventing a new religion?

          • Robby Clewley

            God speaks to my heart , not through man written lies . We are a religious nation , always have been , if it wasnt OK the conservative SCOTUS would not strike down the bans. I am a Christian and believe in Jesus Christ . The loving accepting and non judgmental Jesus. Not the hateful one you people have created.

          • MC

            “God speaks to my heart , not through man written lies .”

            Are you saying you are NOT a man?

          • Gary

            You are not a Christian. You do not know Jesus Christ. Your god is one you have invented.

          • Robby Clewley

            You dont know my relationship with God, if I wasnt a Christian I would tell you what I really think of you . I know what I am and I am a God loving man . Judge all you want … God isnt a fan of that .. and people saying what he thinks about others. You go and have your relationship with God and leave us alone to do the same .

          • Gary

            You have no relationship with God. You don’t know Him, or love Him. You are in trouble with God and you can’t get out of it.

          • Robby Clewley

            You dont know my relationship with him , you can be gay and Christian. Just like you can be black and Christian , have sex outside of marriage and be christian .. YOu make DUMB statements . Being gay is NOT a sin. PERIOD. Yeah you will say it is blah blah blah. Just be quiet , you are making a fool out of yourself Gary . You are the only FAKE Christian I see. Christianity is about loving your neighbor and treating them as you would yourself . You do nothing but hate and judge. Hypocrite.

          • William Mazeo

            Excluding the black part (because being black has nothing to do with sin, don’t tknow why people still insist on mixing these things, the color of your skin does not matter to God) the rest is sin, they are things you need to leave behind when you decide to follow Jesus, when you become temple of His spirit. Some people may leave all these things behind in the moment they do their decision, some others take a bit longer, but if you really decide to be a Christian your life will change sooner or later because God loves you as you are but He want you to be what He made you to be. The change, the wish for change, the fact that you decide to obey and indeed obey his commandments is the sign that you are following Him. Some stuff is painful to leave behind, but you can change if you seek for God.
            Don’t fool yourself, don’t think that it’s ok to live as you wish just because you go to a church or you tell yourself you are a Christian, being a Christian is not following a religion.
            Go read the Bible, ask God to open your eyes and mind to understand what those words mean. May God bless you with His salvation and change someday. That’s all I’ll say.

          • Robby Clewley

            Being gay is not sin PERIOD

          • Robby Clewley

            Gay marriage is here to stay so get over it . Thats all I have to say to someone as closed minded and hateful as you . I know it hurts to lose but equality is here forever .

          • MC

            He definitely has a relationship with Satan.

          • jmichael39

            What “times” are those, Robby? The times of the ancient Israelites? the ‘times’ of the first century AD? What “times” are those? And honestly, in the matter of morality and sin, why would God consider something a sin at one time but not another? Logic would dictate that if God condemned something as sin at one time, that He must surely condemn as sin at another time. Otherwise, where is the justice in condemning it at all, ever?

            No, Robby, I didn’t compare gays Nazis… Read again. I said what do laws that violate God’s laws matter to a Christian. I would not support a law in Nazi Germany that made it legal to kill Jews. Nor would I support a law in some other country that made it legal kill homosexuals. Both of those things would be against God’s word. Therefore I would not support them either. Nor will I support a law that makes it legal to kill unborn children or says sin is okay.

            “Being gay is NOT a sin. The bible also promoted rape and other things that are not supported . What about that ?” – Being Gay IS a sin according to God’s word. But you seem, by this statement, to think that you get to pick and choose what parts of the Bible to obey. I hope that’s not what you’re implying. As for the rape issue. you’ll have to share with me the verses where you think God condones rape. In the meantime, here’s one for you. Deut. 21 – “But if in the open country a man meets a young woman who is betrothed, and the man seizes her and lies with her, then only the man who lay with her shall die. But you shall do nothing to the young woman; she has committed no offense punishable by death. ”

            “You just cant accept it being legal and gay people being treated equally” – You’re not reading what I write. I don’t honestly care about the laws about gay marriage. I will support them…but I don’t care enough about them to fight them. Why? Because the sin of homosexuality is far more important than some law endorsing it. I more concerned about the eternal soul of the homosexual than about whether my government says their sin is okay or not. The only reason I actively fight abortion laws is because there are innocent lives at risk.

            “What the scary part is you brainwash your kids with these homophobic views if you have kids.” – is that what this discussion has devolved into? Seriously? Tell me one thing…aside from telling you that your homosexual behavior is sin, what exactly have I done to cause you to say something so hateful?

          • Gary

            Homosexual behavior is sinful, according to the Bible. You are in trouble with God and have no way out of it.

          • Robby Clewley

            I am at peace with God , I treat people equally and look out for my fellow man . Rape was also promoted in the bible too and stoning people . Not in alignment with Gods love. Its NOT sinful but your opinion means nothing to me .

          • ken

            You have the maturity of a 6th grade boy in love with his own sexual organ. You are a bigoted little fool, saying that it is “persecution” to have opinions you don’t like. Young, stupid, immoral, and fascist – not a good combination.

          • James Grimes

            He can repent and live a life of celibacy.

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          • jmichael39

            Finally you’re making an attempt to support your position. Thank you.
            Now, would you like to go through this site’s information? Piece by piece? I am pretty knowledgeable about Koine Greek and know some about ancient Hebrew. And I studied hermeneutics. I would be glad to go through the information there. But its up to you.

          • Robby Clewley

            I go to church every week and know what God says , I dont need someone who is anti gay and preaching against equality to school me on what it says. It just comes down to this .. you can say being gay is against God all you want based on a few scriptures in a 2000 year old book but it still wont change any gay persons view or the law.

          • jmichael39

            “can say being gay is against God all you want based on a few scriptures in a 2000 year old book ” – so you DON’T accept the authority of the Bible on matters of right and wrong?

          • Robby Clewley

            I do but being gay isnt wrong . Its not true.

          • jmichael39

            So you keep saying. And I do appreciate your sharing that website and what they had to say about the topic. I’ve read many similar sites. And although they makes some interesting attempts to explain away what the Bible says about homosexuality. They typically make some serious errors in exegetics, hermeneutics and understanding of Koine Greek and ancient Hebrew. As I said, I’m more than willing to discuss that with you. Though it doesn’t appear you’re very interested in what the Bible says about homosexual behavior.
            One curiosity I’ve always had about such sites as the one you shared. They do an admirable job of trying to explain away the verses in the Bible that apparently speak ill of homosexual behavior. These writers don’t ever seem to have an answer as to why, despite there obviously being homosexuals in bible times, that the Bible never once addresses any form of homosexual behavior in a positive manner.

            Anyway, I’m off to bed. Be well.

          • Robby Clewley

            We won’t ever agree but parting thought … You persecuting gay people does not help your cause.

          • jmichael39

            Really, persecuting? seriously. Name ONE thing I’ve said or done that is persecuting ANYONE.

          • Robby Clewley

            By having an opinion that homosexuality is a sin and wrong and unnatural . That is persecuting. Like the Canadian pastor who made those comments and was charged with a hate crime.

          • jmichael39

            so now it is persecuting someone to have an OPINION? LMAO… come on, Robby…do you REALLY want to compare someone having an ‘opinion’ to what is happening to fellow Christians in the Middle East who are being beheaded, burned alive, raped, disfigured and imprisoned for merely being a Christian…by using the same word, ‘persecuting’, to describe my ‘opinion’ of you.

            But let’s take this in a different direction. Are you telling me that if I or someone else saw a brother in Christ committing the sin of, say, stealing…that if I approach that brother to confront him on that sin that I’m “persecuting” him for having the “opinion” that he is sinning and doing something wrong? Really? Is that REALLY how you would treat a brother in Christ, by ignoring their sin? Because you don’t want them to think you’re judging them or hating them? Seriously?

            Come on, Robby…go back and review every post I’ve made to you on this subject. I have NEVER once inferred that you are not a Christian…or a brother. I have given you the respect of not questioning your heart’s desire to be right with God. But sin is sin…if you honestly don’t think homosexual behavior is a sin…and I do (as well as many others)…then you seriously need to do an open-minded study of the scriptures…not just one person’s views from either side of the debate.

          • Robby Clewley

            Yes what is happening in the middle east is awful but has more to do with just hating America and the UK than hating Christianity . What about gay people being executed in Iran , North korea and Uganda. Nobody ever says anything about that. I know you have not said I was not a Christian and I appreciate that . As the likes of many on here think its not possible to love God if you are gay. I know its in the bible but I never said I agreed with everything in the bible. We dont know Jesus said all of that . All i know is Jesus speaks to my heart and I know being gay is not a sin.

          • ken

            Oh dear, having an opinion is persecution?

            You are an intolerant bigot, child.

          • ken

            Troll, you are persecuting Christians by annoying us, so clean up your own act.

          • ken

            Grow up, kid.

          • MC

            “I say its right but the law also is overwhelming saying its right”

            So, what you’re saying is that you follow mans law over God’s clearly stated Moral Law? Interesting, not surprising for people who love their pet sin, but interesting.

          • Robby Clewley

            NOT a sin. God loves me unconditionally and as my pastor says , God is above LOVE , not hate . Guess you people have not learned that yet.

          • MC

            “NOT a sin.”

            Again, can you show me in Scripture where God says it’s not a sin?

          • ken

            BS, “unconditional love’ is not taught in the Bible. If you don’t repent, you go to hell. Your pastor is a sodomite fool.

          • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

            The bible is only relevant to Christians…. Not Americans

          • jmichael39

            Not that there is any sense of logic to your statement (many Christians are Americans and according to most polls, most Americans consider themselves Christian), but do you know I was speaking to a gentleman who is a Christian?

          • ken

            No, YOU are hilarious, you’re such a loser you have nothing to do but annoy Christians on a religious blog. This doesn’t speak well for the “gay” life, does it? so many trolls, bored and lonesome, nothing to do but annoy Christians. That is super-pathetic.

          • Pax Humana

            Wow, and yet it takes a SERIOUS lack of logic to post the inane amount of bullshit that you just showed the whole world in your angry little post. Why not go do the world and take what you think and shove it up your ass like the dildos that one of your fellow fuck buddy, deviant, wicked, narrow-minded, sexist, judgmental, intolerant, immature, narcissistic, egotistical, and elitist pervert friends shove up your ass in your life, you stupid slut of Lucifer?

          • Rus Shore

            You don’t have to appreciate our presence. Until you own this forum, it’s open to anyone. Might want to get used to me. BTW, Proverbs doesn’t keep you from engaging with atheists. Your closed mindedness keeps you from engaging with atheists. Proverbs just gives you something to blame it on.

          • James Grimes

            You’re lecturing me on what Scripture means! What a joke. You can live in your delusional word playing with all the Halloween creatures. Good bye.

          • Rus Shore

            I’ve lived in your world and studied your scriptures. Bet you’ve never tried it the other way around. And maybe you’d care to tell me how Halloween had anything to do with this?

          • ken

            What an assho/e you are.

          • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

            Too bad for you and the other zealots that we have a secular (Atheist) government…

          • ken

            Grow up, then come back and chat with the adults, you have the maturity of a 6th grade girl.

      • Pax Humana

        Love is not about feelings and emotions, it is something that is WAY deeper than that and your imitation of it is sincerely shallow and selfish behavior to the core, period, full stop, Rus Shore.

        • Rus Shore

          Actually, love is EXACTLY those things and nothing else.

          • jmichael39

            how sad…and when the emotions and feelings wane…Rus is off to the next person that turns on the feelings. Lovely. I hope you at least warn your lovers of what happens when they no longer induce those feelings in your anymore.

            in sickness and health be damned…just make me feel good, baby.

          • Rus Shore

            You’re inserting your idea of me here, and it is far from accurate. I realize that it takes work to reinvigorate the feelings and emotions that make up love, but love is still feelings and emotions.

          • Rafael

            Your talking about lusts and desires not love.

          • Rus Shore

            Lust and desire are different emotions and feelings than love, but they’re all still emotions and feelings. Maybe the dictionary will help you: “an intense FEELING of deep affection”.

          • Rafael

            I prefer Biblical definitions like Romans 13 and the Love Jesus Christ portrayed on the Cross. If you judge everything on feelings and emotions you are setting yourself up for the Apostasy all around us.

          • jmichael39

            Perhaps the eros kind of love is. But the agape type of love centers upon the choice we make to love on someone. But why am I telling you this. You already know.

          • Phipps Mike

            love is an ACTION. You love somebody by doing things with them.

        • jps

          Love is a feeling. A deep strong feeling toward a human being. Love is not limited to the pairing of a man and women either. Men can love men, and women can love women.

          Just because homosexuals are attracted to the same sex does not mean their marriages are about lust or desire, that’s the equivalent of saying all heterosexual marriages are simply about sex.

          With any marriage, the relationship leading up to it starts out with mutual attraction, some would say it starts as lust and desire, then as the emotional bond and relationship continue the feelings develops into that deep feeling of love. It works the exact same way any heterosexual relationship to marriage works.

          • ken

            Oh, puh-leez, you think Christians live in a bubble? We know about gay “relationships,” there is no commitment there, no fidelity. This isn’t about love, this is about your envy of normal people – we have something (marriage) and you want it too. You have no intention of committing to one person, ever.

          • jps

            I don’t think Christians live in a bubble, I think some Christians, like yourself, make quick and ill informed assumptions. Your above statement is proof of that.

            I am a hetero male in a happy and committed long term relationship.

            You really shouldn’t assume things without information to back you up.

          • Pax Humana

            Heterophobia (homosexuality) is hate speech and if you argue otherwise, then you only further condemn it in your life, period, full stop, jps et al.

          • jps

            How do you get anything hateful from what I said about love?
            I was just explaining that love isn’t a feeling only a man and women could share. It is universal.

            What am I condemning in my life? Your post is so unclear.

            Do you think I am heterophobic?
            Considering I am a heterosexual I’m not even sure where you would pull that from?

            What’s up with that “full stop” thing at the end of all your posts?

      • MC

        Rus, people think it’s ok to murder unborn children too, but it doesn’t make it right and moral.

        • Rus Shore

          1. No one is saying abortion is either right or moral. Pro-choice advocates understand it is sometimes NECESSARY.
          2. We are pro-choice, not pro-abortion. That’s means we don’t want abortions to happen, but we support a woman’s choice to decide for herself.
          3. You can’t murder something that has zero ability to live on its own, think, or feel.

          • MC

            “1. No one is saying abortion is either right or moral. Pro-choice advocates understand it is sometimes NECESSARY.”

            Some people use it as birth control. How many use it after rape, incest, or health of the mother?

            “2. We are pro-choice, not pro-abortion. That’s means we don’t want abortions to happen, but we support a woman’s choice to decide for herself.”

            That’s a self-contradicting argument that refutes itself. If you are pro-choice and support a woman’s choice to murder unborn babies then you are supporting said murder. The blood’s on your hands as much as hers.

            “3. You can’t murder something that has zero ability to live on its own, think, or feel.”

            A baby and a small child can’t live on it’s own either, so I guess you support the murder of them too? Can you show me empirical verifiable scientific evidence that an unborn child cannot feel?

            “(1) Pain receptors (nociceptors) are present throughout the unborn child’s entire body by no later than 20 weeks after fertilization and nerves link these receptors to the brain’s thalamus and subcortical plate by no later than 20 weeks.

            (2) By 8 weeks after fertilization, the unborn child reacts to touch. After 20 weeks, the unborn child reacts to stimuli that would be recognized as painful if applied to an adult human, for example by recoiling.

            (3) In the unborn child, application of such painful stimuli is associated with significant increases in stress hormones known as the stress response.

            (4) Subjection to such painful stimuli is associated with long-term harmful neurodevelopmental effects, such as altered pain sensitivity and, possibly, emotional, behavioral, and learning disabilities later in life.

            (5) For the purposes of surgery on unborn children, fetal anesthesia is routinely administered and is associated with a decrease in stress hormones compared to their level when painful stimuli are applied without such anesthesia.

            (6) The position, asserted by some medical experts, that the unborn child is incapable of experiencing pain until a point later in pregnancy than 20 weeks after fertilization predominately rests on the assumption that the ability to experience pain depends on the cerebral cortex and requires nerve connections between the thalamus and the cortex. However, recent medical research and analysis, especially since 2007, provides strong evidence for the conclusion that a functioning cortex is not necessary to experience pain.

            (7) Substantial evidence indicates that children born missing the bulk of the cerebral cortex, those with hydranencephaly, nevertheless experience pain.

            (8) In adults, stimulation or ablation of the cerebral cortex does not alter pain perception, while stimulation or ablation of the thalamus does.

            (9) Substantial evidence indicates that structures used for pain processing in early development differ from those of adults, using different neural elements available at specific times during development, such as the subcortical plate, to fulfill the role of pain processing.

            (10) The position, asserted by some medical experts, that the unborn child remains in a coma-like sleep state that precludes the unborn child experiencing pain is inconsistent with the documented reaction of unborn children to painful stimuli and with the experience of fetal surgeons who have found it necessary to sedate the unborn child with anesthesia to prevent the unborn child from thrashing about in reaction to invasive surgery.

            (11) Consequently, there is substantial medical evidence that an unborn child is capable of experiencing pain by 20 weeks after fertilization.”

            “Anatomical studies have documented that the body’s pain network—the spino-thalamic pathway—is established by 20 weeks gestation.

            • “At 20 weeks, the fetal brain has the full complement of brain cells present in adulthood, ready and waiting to receive pain signals from the body, and their electrical activity can be recorded by standard electroencephalography (EEG).”
            — Dr. Paul Ranalli, neurologist, University of Toronto

            • An unborn baby at 20 weeks gestation “is fully capable of experiencing pain. … Without question, [abortion] is a dreadfully painful experience for any infant subjected to such a surgical procedure.”
            — Robert J. White, M.D., PhD., professor of neurosurgery, Case Western University”

            “Unborn babies at 20 weeks development actually feel pain more intensely than adults. This is a “uniquely vulnerable time, since the pain system is fully established, yet the higher level pain-modifying system has barely begun to develop,” according to Dr. Ranalli.”

            “The unborn baby at 20 weeks

            Fetal development is already quite advanced at 20 weeks gestation:

            • The skeleton is complete and reflexes are present at 42 days.

            • Electrical brain wave patterns can be recorded at 43 days. This is usually ample evidence that “thinking” is taking place in the brain.

            • The fetus has the appearance of a miniature baby, with complete fingers, toes and ears at 49 days.

            • All organs are functioning—stomach, liver, kidney, brain—and all systems are intact at 56 days.

            • By 20 weeks, the unborn child has hair and working vocal cords, sucks her thumb, grasps with her hands and kicks. She measures 12 inches.”

            “Minnesota law recognizes fetal pain

            MCCL helped to pass Minnesota’s Woman’s Right to Know law in 2003, which, among other things, informs women that their unborn child can feel pain at 20 weeks gestation.”

          • Rus Shore

            Although flawed, I certainly appreciate your well-constructed and researched response…..more than you get from 99% of Christians I’ve spoken with. That said, my response:

            1. I agree that some people do use abortion as a form of birth control, but based on my started opinion, backed by thorough scientific medical research, I disagree with you that it is murder, and hence, not a necessarily a bad thing.

            2. My statement is in no way contradictory. The support of a woman’s choice does not mean I have to be happy about, want to see, or desire to experience abortion. I fully understand it is often a heart-wrenching decision, but it is not mine, nor your site, to make for her.

            3. The medical opinions you cite have been debunked. Forgive me if I cite a link rather than taking up the space on this thread. http://m.motherjones.com/politics/2013/06/science-house-abortion-ban-fetal-pain

          • MC

            “1. I agree that some people do use abortion as a form of birth control, but based on my started opinion, backed by thorough scientific medical research, I disagree with you that it is murder, and hence, not a necessarily a bad thing.”

            Show me empirical verifiable scientific evidence that abortion is not murder, since we’re talking about morality.

            “2. My statement is in no way contradictory. The support of a woman’s choice does not mean I have to be happy about, want to see, or desire to experience abortion. I fully understand it is often a heart-wrenching decision, but it is not mine, nor your site, to make for her.”

            Yes, it’s contradicting and self refuting. Just because you’re not “happy” about it makes no difference as that is an argument from emotion fallacy. You’re still supporting her to commit fetal murder, you vote for it, so you’re just as guilty as the woman, and an accessory to murder because you’re not stopping it. If you were pro-life then you would not be supporting her murderous decision, if you were all for the human rights of the unborn child, then the child would live and you would not be guilty.

            “3. The medical opinions you cite have been debunked.”

            Debunked by who? I gave empirical verifiable scientific evidence, you gave me an opinion piece from a liberal reporter from a liberal magazine that’s known for a strong bias and getting the facts wrong. What medical credentials does she have? “She is now a senior reporter and the energy and environment editor at The Huffington Post.” She went from one liberal site to another. I’m glad a lot of states have the 20 week ban, with more to come. As least it’s a start.

          • jmichael39

            1) when is necessary to kill someone?

            2) what choice does the baby have?
            3) and now to the question that really must be answered first. WHo the hell are you to decide what criteria a human being must meet before they have the right to live?

          • Rus Shore

            1. To defend your life, but then again, we weren’t talking about killing anyone. Read the conversation, sparky.
            2. We aren’t talking about a baby. We’re talking about a fetus.
            3. I am not deciding that. I do however listen to hundreds – possibly thousands – of medical professionals and researchers who have given clear evidence that a fetus is not developed enough to think, feel, or live for more than a few seconds outside of the mother.

          • jmichael39

            And who the hell are those medical professionals to decide the criteria upon which a living human must meet in order to have the right to protected from having its life ended?…Spare me the asinine ‘sparky’ comments. You want to debate or don’t you? If so, keep it civil or go away.

          • Robby Clewley

            Its a FETUS and its a womans choice, I dont agree with it but i DO support a womans right to choose

          • MC

            “ I don’t agree with it but i DO support a womans right to choose”

            So you do agree with it.

          • Robby Clewley

            I think abortion should be the last option but if the woman chooses to have an abortion she has the right to do so. Its her body , nobody elses

          • MC

            And the man has no say even though the baby is half his? So her body supersedes the human rights of the baby?

          • Robby Clewley

            Yes its her body , the government has no right to tell her what she can and cannot do with it . Its been the law forever , not going anywhere. The SCOTUS has repeatedly said its a woman’s right to choose and its protected under the law.

          • MC

            So, her life is more important than the unborn child? When does the baby go from having 0 rights to having human rights, when it’s born? Why do people get convicted of double homicide when they kill a pregnant woman?

          • Robby Clewley

            You dont have rights until you reach earth. I dont think you should get double homicide if you kill a pregnant woman. Just receive one murder charge for the adult on earth that was killed.

          • MC

            “You don’t have rights until you reach earth.”

            LOL! Until you reach earth? LOL! What planet in what universe is a baby in when a mother is pregnant? HAHAHAHAHAHA! Is the baby in some sort of dimension? I think you should come down to earth sometime, I also think, and I’m being serious here, you need to seek out a mental health professional and quick.

          • Conservative seer

            By killing an innocent fetus, is a woman more empowered?

          • Robby Clewley

            Its HER body. I support a woman’s right to choose, it should be the last option but if we restrict it , whats next .. controlling everything else we do with our bodies

          • Robby Clewley

            JUst like you guys dont want your guns taken away

          • jmichael39

            good example, Robby… Let’s follow that example out a bit..
            a person’s right to own a gun is unalienable according to constitution, right? UNTIL…the owner of the gun uses that gun to kill someone, right?
            Cool, we agree. So why is a woman’s right to choose what to do with her own body still her right even when that choice kills another human being?

          • Robby Clewley

            Im against guns , they should be banned but anyway was just saying we dont take away your rights , leave ours alone. Its not murder until baby is born .

          • jmichael39

            Really? tell that to the people charged with double murder for killing a mother and her unborn child.

            Of course you’re for banning guns. Because bad people don’t kill people, guns do it all by themselves. And why should law-abiding citizens have a chance to defend themselves against criminals who don’t give a damn about laws banning guns. And besides only women with unborn children should have the right to kill and they don’t need a gun to do that when they have a good doctor to do it for them and the taxpayers to pay for it.

          • Robby Clewley

            How could someone who supposed to love God be in favor of something as evil and destructive as a gun I will never understand. I k new you were pro gun , most conservative Christians are . We liberal Christians have compassion for people killed by guns and like I have said I do not approve of abortion but I support a womans right to choose what to do with her own body.

          • jmichael39

            Excuse me? So you think that a Christian should never be allowed to defend themselves? What sort of asinine logic is that? What the heck does supporting a person’s right to own guns have to do with having compassion or not having compassion for a victim of a gun crime? You have to explain this to me…because you’re making no sense right now.

            And how can you be against killing a pre-born innocent child but also be in favor a woman’s right to choose to kill that child? And yet you would not support the right of a law abiding citizen owning a gun to defend themselves against someone trying to kill them? WOW…

          • MC

            “We liberal Christians have compassion for people killed by guns”

            You must get your pink panties in a wad when a liberal kills a person using a gun.

          • jmichael39

            What’s a Fetus?

            “(used chiefly of viviparous mammals) the young of an animal in the womb or egg, especially in the later stages of development when the body structures are in the recognizable form of its kind, in humans after the end of the second month of gestation.” –

            The YOUNG of the an animal. What ‘animal’ are we talking about here?

            Why does a woman get to choose to kill those humans but no one else gets to kills other humans?

          • Robby Clewley

            an organism , not a baby until a certain point in pregnancy .

          • jmichael39

            and we get to decide when that point is because ____________?

          • jps

            Well #3 is where the big area of debate is:

            Who are you, or him, or me to decide when a collection of cells become a human being?

            An egg or sperm alone? A fertilized egg? A fertilized egg when it’s attached to the uterus? When it’s developed a brain?

            This also leads to the question of ‘what makes us human’? And are we human before we have that?

            That is why it’s such a torn issue. No one would agree to murdering babies. But not everyone agrees to when a sperm/egg become a baby.

          • jmichael39

            Good points, JPS….to me, the clearest evidence of this quandary lay in the fact that when a woman CHOOSES to carry the baby…from day one, it is a ‘baby’ to her. Its only when that woman chooses to end the baby’s life that people start throwing around zygote and sperm/cell and embryo. Even murder laws revolve not around some supposed scientific definition of when life begins, but around the woman’s choice. Which is why I don’t buy into any of the BS rhetoric about when it becomes a human being. This is an argument around us as a society empowering ourselves to decide when a human being is considered worthy of the label “human being” and when it is not.

          • jps

            And I respect that.

        • Robby Clewley

          abortion is legal too just like gay marriage . dont like it? Move to Uganda

          • jmichael39

            How about we just stay here in this country and fight people like you to change those laws…hmm…at least the ones about killing innocent children?

          • Robby Clewley

            abortion will always be legal as will gay marriage. You are fighting a losing battle. SEVEN more states legalized gay marriage today. On our way to FIFTY and DC. I dont approve of abortion BUT i do support a woman’s right to choose what to do with HER body. Why dont you just live your life and let others live theirs.

          • MC

            “Why don’t you just live your life and let others live theirs.”

            That’s pretty ironic for a guy who’s against unborn babies from living their lives. You have no problem with them getting cut up and sucked out.

          • Robby Clewley

            Its a womans choice PERIOD. You cant dictate what other people do with THEIR bodies. SCOTUS says so.

          • MC

            And you support it so the blood’s on YOUR hands. So, to you an infant has no rights until the baby is born? That’s interesting since a lot of people get convicted of double homicide when they kill a pregnant woman.

          • Robby Clewley

            No blood on my hands. I support civil rights and the right to choose saves lives , would you rather they get dangerous illegal abortions ? Wow you really hate women huh

          • MC

            The blood is definitely on your hands, the ONLY way to not get blood on your hands is to stop supporting it. And no, I prefer that women get NO abortion, legal or illegal.

            “Wow you really hate women huh”

            No, I’m not gay, I love women and I love and support the human rights of unborn children. Male AND female. Your comment was emotional and illogical.

          • Robby Clewley

            well I am bi and I love woman and support their rights . I guess the war on women continues with the christian right. No blood on my hands, I support civil rights and that is the right to choose.

          • MC

            You just keep saying you support the murder of unborn children, so the blood is on your hands. Until you stop supporting it then that’s the way it is. And it’s not a war on women, it’s a war on the human rights of babies, and you could care less about them.

            “In January 2014, the Guttmacher Institute reported: * 1.05 million abortions in the US in 2012; * 4.8% of abortions in the US occurred from week 16 of pregnancy to week 32. US 2014 STUDY on abortions.”

            “The Guttmacher Institute, formed as a division of Planned Parenthood of America, reported 42 million abortions World-Wide in 2003 which was down from 46 million in 1995. The studywas funded by the World Health Organization, an agency of the UN and the World Bank.”

            “Umberto Castiello, University of Padova, Italy reported unborn babies have the ability to interact as early as 14 weeks into the pregnancy: “We conclude that performance of movements towards the co-twin is not accidental: already starting from the 14th week of gestation twin fetuses execute movements specifically aimed at the co-twin.”

          • Robby Clewley

            Its not murder , its a medical procedure that is a right for all women. You cant control their bodies.

          • MC

            So, you are for the death penalty too then, right?

          • Robby Clewley

            Im against the death penalty but thats different , an actual living human being

          • MC

            Why is it wrong? It’s just a medical procedure, right?

          • Robby Clewley

            Because they are people , fetuses are not people .

          • MC

            I can’t wait to tell everyone that’s what your “church” teaches. Thanks.

          • MC

            I’m so glad you finally admitted you’re not a Christian. I’ve never met anyone who hated unborn children as much as you. I’m happy you told us what church you go to, I have to blog about the evils there and expose what they’re teaching there. Thanks! 🙂

          • Robby Clewley

            Nope I never admitted that and never would cause I am a Christian. I believe Jesus Christ is my savior and died so that I can have eternal life. Am I perfect ? Of course not. Do I sin ? We all do but I strive to do my best everyday and its not a sin to love someone or be with someone of the same sex. What is this blog you speak of ? Ill check it out

          • MC

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            Robby Clewley MC • 2 days ago
            Because they are people , fetuses are not people .
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            No, you learned that from your church, your curch teaches that fetusus are not human. You’re not a Christian and your own words expose you and your hate for unborn children. Disgusting.

          • Robby Clewley

            My church does not say that, that is just my own personal belief. I dont hate unborn children at all , I just simply support a woman’s right to choose what to do with HER body, not your body , not my body but hers. Why do you want to control women ?

          • Robby Clewley

            death penalty is wrong , a womans right to choose isnt

          • MC

            Why is it wrong?

          • Robby Clewley

            Cat got your tongue MC ?

          • MC

            No, but sleep did.

          • MC

            “ I support civil rights”

            So, you cherry pick who gets these civil rights, you don’t want to give civil rights to unborn babies yet you don’t want to give the death penalty to people who rape and murder kids and adults. Not to mention, most of the time a person who murders a pregnant woman, they get charged with a double homicide, so that means the unborn baby has civil rights, that’s according to the law, but you just wan’t to take it from them because as you say, “unborn babies aren’t human.” I’m so glad you finally admitted you’re not a Christian. I’ve never met anyone who hated unborn children as much as you. I’m happy you told us what church you go to, I have to blog about the evils there and expose what they’re teaching there. Thanks! 🙂

          • jmichael39

            I never speak about gay marriage. Not sure why homosexuals feel the need to have a ‘religious’ label for their union. Nor do I understand why anyone feels the need to get government approval to enter into a contract…which is all that a ‘marriage’ is. As far as I know, no one ever passed a law requiring government permission for two consenting adults to enter into a contract.

            As for abortion…oh well…you wanna live with that on your conscience…that’s your decision. Like Dietrich Bonhoffer in Nazi Germany, I, for one, will not stop speaking out against the dehumanizing of pre-born children for sake of justifying their murder. I’m sure there were people like you who never thought this country would ever stop the dehumanizing of the black race in order to justify enslaving them. So you’ll forgive me if I persist in fighting for the rights of these pre-born humans.

          • Robby Clewley

            Because we gay people believe in God too .. we dont use him to hate on others. Marriage is marriage and ALL people are equal and entitled to be married. AS far as abortion … its a woman’s choice PERIOD . You’ll never change that.

          • jmichael39

            If you believe someone is living in sin…a sin that can and is coming between then and God, why would you consider it ‘hate’ to come to them in an attempt to help them get rid of whatever it is that between them and a right relationship with God?

          • Robby Clewley

            Help them? lol. Helping someone is accepting them as they are and living and let live. I believe you are living in sin but yeah if you want to be judgmental and a bigot then knock yourself out. I have aright relationship with God , who I have relationships with has NO impact on who I am as a person. God knows my heart , you don’t. Its none of your business to say anything . People like you make me soooooo angry. I am glad people like you dont make the laws.

          • jmichael39

            “Help them? lol. Helping someone is accepting them as they are and living and let live.” – Accepting them or accepting their sin? If you and I truly believe that sin is what keeps us from a right relationship with God, then why in the world would I ever accept sin in my life or anyone’s What sort of love is it to know that someone I care about is living in a world that is counter to a right relationship with God and I don’t do something about it? When I’m sitting there looking at them on their last day on this earth am I supposed to comfort myself that they rejected the truths of God because I said nothing…simply because I didn’t want them to be offended and think I was not accepting them?
            If you think that’s being judgmental and bigoted, you need to take that up with God. Because He’s the one who calls homosexual behavior a sin.

            If you think you have a right relationship with ANYONE…it would behoove you to make sure that the other person agrees with you. In the instance with God, there is really only one thing that God considers an intrusion into a right relationship with Him…sin. And again, I say, if you think homosexual behavior is okay with God, there must certainly be something in His word about it. What does it say. I keep asking, you keep avoiding.

            Be angry at me all you want. I didn’t write the Bible. I’m not the One who decided what’s sin and what’s not. You don’t like that homosexual behavior is a sin, take it up with God and His word.

          • MC

            “Helping someone is accepting them as they are and living and let live.”

            I can promise you, that is NOT the Gospel that Jesus and the apostles preached. If you believe in God then start reading the Bible.

          • Robby Clewley

            I do read the bible , and the bible preaches love. we read the bible at the gay Christian church I belong to. http://communitychurchofhope.com/#fwdrapPlayer0?catid=0&trackid=0

          • Gary

            You are not a Christian. There is no such thing as a “gay Christian”.

          • Robby Clewley

            yes i am , you dont know me … there are millions of christians from all walks of life. Being gay does not change who i am as a good person. who i love does not change who i am. I am a Christian , go to a gay christian church with a gay pastor. You are the one who isnt a christian. Just an evil, hateful sad sad man.

          • Gary

            I know you are not a Christian. What you say proves that. There is no such thing as a “gay Christian” or “gay Christian church” or “gay Christian pastor”. God does not approve of homosexuality and He does not save homosexuals.

          • Robby Clewley

            You dont know that. You are not God , I am saved . Again, as we already agreed on .. your opinion means NOTHING so why are you still talking ?

          • ken

            You’re “saved” but you have the morals of a whore – nope, doesn’t work that way.

          • Phipps Mike

            since when does Gay equate to promiscuous? now THAT’S ignorance. It is not greed nor gluttony to be Gay. They are attracted to ONE sex, and so ARE YOU.

          • Robby Clewley

            There are thousands of gay churches and gay pastors in the US. Shows how ignorant you are.

          • Eddie

            The Narrow Way by Paul Washer: http://youtu.be/COFC-Aue2rg

            Robby,

            Please watch this 10 minute video. I watched it last night, and thought it was very powerful.

            Very Respectfully,
            Eddie

          • Robby Clewley

            Well, I certainly am a Christian; I’m doing the best I can. I try to live by the Ten Commandments, the Golden Rule and the Sermon on the Mount.”

            Most assuredly, I’m a Christian. If I’m not, I don’t know who is. My mother and father are very religious. I have an uncle who is a minister.

            Indeed I am. I have always gone to church and Sunday School. I have been baptized and confirmed. I joined the church when I was fourteen.

            4. “know I’m a Christian because when the evangelist gave the invitation I went to the front and made a decision for Christ. My counselor showed me that if I accepted Jesus as my personal Saviour, I would never be lost again. I didn’t want to be lost—hell is a terrible place—so I accepted Jesus, and I know now that no matter what happens, God will never reject me. I know it because I went to the altar and professed faith in Jesus Christ.

            I’m a Christian. Isn’t everybody? Isn’t God the Father of all men? We may be going by different roads, but all of these roads lead to the same place. It doesn’t really matter what you believe, just so you are sincere—everyone who is sincere in his own religion is a Christian.

          • jps

            God doesn’t approve of any sins and if she excluded any sinner from Christianity there wouldn’t be any Christians in this world.

            So yes, there are gay Chrisitians and if them being gay is a sin then it is between them and god.

          • Phipps Mike

            Gary, how many denominations of Christians are there? hundreds. How is it that only YOUR denomination is valid?

          • Phipps Mike

            by your reasoning Gary, that would mean that anybody that sins at all is not a Christian, All sins are equivalent, So if you ever take a pen home from work willingly, you are not a Christian because there’s no such thing as a thief Christian because God doesn’t approve.

          • Robby Clewley

            Im off to work , ill embarrass you some other time Gary lol. Oh btw , 31 states and counting 🙂 Your war on homosexuality is losing … 🙂

          • ken

            You’re just making a fool of yourself, you can’t debate your way out of a paper bag. You need to meet some adult males, these overgrown adolescent perverts you hang out with are fools.

          • SashaC

            Coming from a person who debates nothing and has nothing of substance to say, but instead just makes personal attack after personal attack. You’re hilarious, ken! 😉

          • Sam

            It’s true

          • MC

            That’s not a Christian Church, that’s a church of Satan. Any church that teaches sin is good and that the Bible is full of “mans lies” is NOT from God.

          • Robby Clewley

            We read from the bible , the loving parts . My pastor teaches to love all people .. even straight people . It is a Christian church. Even has 501 non profit status and is supported by the Governor of California for its charity work… hmmmm sounds like God to me .

          • Gary

            Bunch of infidels pretending to be Christians.

          • Robby Clewley

            You are FAR from a Christian , thats for sure.

          • Sam

            It’s very sad. It breaks my heart.

          • Sam

            So you don’t read the the whole bible. A real christian church reads the whole bible not just the loving parts. I say this in love. Confess and repent. Turn away from your sin.

          • Robby Clewley

            There are certain opinions in the bible that dont come from god, the anti gay lie is one of them. I sin yes like we all do but do my best , being gay isnt a sin though.

          • Sam

            It’s not a lie. God is not anti gay. God loves gay people but not the sin. Being gay is a sin.

          • Sam

            It’s not a lie. God is not anti gay. God loves gay people. Being gay is a sin.

          • Robby Clewley

            Being gay is not a sin. Lots of things that were written in the bible were true in those days but God has evolved and become more understanding and merciful throughout history. The bible called for executing people for everything back then .. do you think people should be put to death for being gay , adultry, lying, etc ?

          • Sam

            The bible is gods word. There are no opinions. God is not a liar. It’s not a lie. Being gay is a sin.

          • Robby Clewley

            No, God is not a liar but some parts of the bible dont apply in 2014. God is about love , not judgment . In the bible it says slaves are to be kept and women are to do whatever her husband says . do you approve of that too ?

          • Sam

            God is about love and judgement. God will judge us when we go to heaven. He is our father. A wife is submissive to her husband but not his slave. No I dont aprrove of slaves. do you honestly and truly know God and have a relationship with him? You just want the God of love with happy parts. It does not work that way.

          • Robby Clewley

            Wow , a wife is submissive to her husband ? this is 2014, women work and are EQUAL to their husbands. Ok, you dont approve of slaves but the bible advocates it .. how can you be against some of what bible says (slaves) and for being against gay people ? Yes I have a strong relationship with God , he is my father. absolutely.

          • Sam

            yes a wife is submissive to her husband. That’s how God created it. Marriage is between a man and a woman. God created marriage. Men and women are created equal.

          • Robby Clewley

            avoided the slave question I see. and also if man and women are created equal why is a wife submissive to her husband ? that is not equal and marriage is between two loving people. I know you must be really angry that we in gay community can legally marry but thats how it is so deal with it.

          • Sam

            I didn’t answer because I don’t know. I don’t have all the answers because I’m not God. Marriage is between a man and a woman. You think you know better than God but you don’t. I’m not angry and I don’t care. Homosexuality is wrong. You being able to legally marry does not change that. I don’t hate gay people. I’m trying to help a fellow christian.

          • jps

            Well, because the approach of people “coming between them” isn’t a topic of: “hey you know this is a sin, these are the consequences, this is what GOD is about, and now it’s your choice”

            They are trying to go: “That is a sin! I am making the choice for you! You are not allowed to do that!”

            And on top of that a lot of people do not feel it is a sin. Many don’t even believe in the bible, or your version of the bible. So when people come up to them and start approach #2 it really does come off as hateful.

          • jmichael39

            You will notice in the thread here that I am speaking to someone who claims…and as far as a I know he is…to be a Christian. I would never approach a non-Christian in this manner about the particular sin of homosexual behavior. To the unbeliever the notion of sin in a generic sense and Christ’s life and death and resurrection is how I would approach them. Because you’re right, they don’t have a concept of themselves being a sinner.

            In this case, my approach has been biblical in that I have tried to be respectful of him as a brother in Christ. In case he never noticed, nor yourself, I never once challenged his salvation, only that there is a sin that is interfering with his relationship with God. I would approach any believer about any sin in their life. It is our biblical obligation to do so with respect.

          • jps

            I’m sorry I think you took my post as applied toward you personally. It wasn’t, it was more an explanation why people tend to jump to the “hate” card in those situationst.

            You have been respectful from what I am seeing.

          • Phipps Mike

            I dont think its about religion. The biggest part is that they deserve all of the same legal benefits as hetero couples.

          • Sam

            just because it is legal does not make it right.

          • Robby Clewley

            Yes it does

          • MC

            Nope! I’ll stay here and fight immoral laws.

          • Robby Clewley

            Fighting a losing battle as Roe v Wade has been around forever and isnt going anywhere and gay marriage has been overwhelming approved by the SCOTUS and will continue to be. Wasting your time 🙂

          • MC

            Laws can be repealed.

          • Robby Clewley

            Not without the SCOTUS approval. Gay marriage is here to stay , we will be at 50 soon. Why must you make laws that restrict how others live their lives when it does not affect your life at all.

          • ken

            Sorry, no, we pay taxes (and I bet you don’t), we have rights.

      • Robert Malcolm Menefee

        Same sex couples,unlike their hetrosexual counterparts,can never,ever procreate or conceive offspring as it is biologically impossible.Also,in same sex relationships,certain body parts and openings are abused and used in a way that they were not, designed for,often resulting in diseases from such acts.For thousands of years,homosexual behavior has been seen as “acts against nature.” Regardless of ones religious views on the subject,many secularists object to gay sex simply because it has no natural purpose.In human sexuality,certain “things” were meant to go in certain “places” (involving a man and a woman) with certain natural intended results,meaning producing offspring.Some may believe that gay sex in normal and natural if they wish,but they might as well belive that the Earth is flat too.

      • ken

        You should talk to adults, not the brain-dead young people.

    • Robby Clewley

      LOL. well, its now LEGAL in 31 states and DC, soon to be 50 so get used to it.

    • Conservative seer

      It stunk to the lord, it should stink to us too, homosexuality is an open rebellion against the lord.

      • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

        Your lord… your problem

        • P. Jack Driscoll

          Wait til you meet Him!

          • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

            Do I get to meet bigfoot too?!?!

          • Sam

            God is real. Bigfoot is not.

          • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

            They are exactly the same.. there are people who claim that big foot is real.. god is just as real as Santa Claus..

          • Sam

            They are not the same. Santa Claus is not real. God is real.

          • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

            If God is real.. he’s a violent, worthless cunt and has a lot of apologizing to do…

          • Sam

            I am going to pray for you

          • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

            That’s the Christian equivalent of “fuck you”.. You’re not fooling anyone…

          • Sam

            No it’s not. That’s your opinion. I said it in love and with respect.

          • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

            Sure ya did….

    • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

      Work? What is the failure rate for heterosexual marriages?

      • James Grimes

        Fozzy? I see you’re using a fake name for your profile. If you want to be taken seriously, you need to use your real name.

        • https://agoldstardad.wordpress.com/ Fozzy

          Many many people know me by this name… as for credible.. I notice you didn’t answer the question

    • Phipps Mike

      look at the statistics of divorce between heteros, They are high and usually happen within 7 years of being married. Nothing much to compete with.

  • http://banker.funurl.com/ Joseph g

    hjjjj

  • http://banker.funurl.com/ Joseph g

    It is very simple to figure out and very clear in Romans 1 through 24-32 where it states very clear the way God feels about Gays

    • Rus Shore

      Let me quote what Jesus said about gays: ” ”

      Wait, are you Jewish? Or do you not believe that Jesus wiped away your sins on the cross?

      • MC

        “Let me quote what Jesus said about gays:”

        Matthew 19:4-6 (NASB)
        [Mt 4]
        And He answered and said, “Have you not
        read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE,

        [5] and said,
        ‘FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS
        FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH’?

        [6] “So they are no longer two, but one flesh. What therefore
        God has joined together, let no man separate.”

        Leviticus 18:22 (NASB)
        ~’You shall not lie with a male as one lies
        with a female; it is an abomination.

        1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NASB)
        [1Co 9]
        Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the
        kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor
        adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
        [10]
        nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers,
        nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

        1 Timothy 1:8-11 (NASB)
        [1Ti 8]
        But we know that the Law is good, if one uses it lawfully,

        [9] realizing the fact that law is
        not made for a righteous person, but for those who are lawless and rebellious,
        for the ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who kill
        their fathers or mothers, for murderers
        [10]
        and immoral men and homosexuals and kidnappers and liars and
        perjurers, and whatever else is contrary to sound teaching,
        [11] according to the glorious gospel of the blessed
        God, with which I have been entrusted.

        Remember now, God’s words are not only in red. How many times does God have to say that homosexual acts are an abomination for you to understand?

        • Rus Shore

          Matthew 19:4-6: Does not speak to homosexuality in any way and does more to hurt your cause than anything else you could have pointed out since Jesus specifically says that divorcing and remarrying is a sin. Funny how the magistrate never seemed to have a problem with that.

          Leviticus 18:22: Quoting the Old Testament to support your point even though you’re responding to my position that Jesus wiped away the sins of the Old Testament? Not sure you understood me.

          1 Corinthians 6:9-10: First, this was Peter speaking, not Jesus. Second, he also called out many other sins, including drunkards, fornicators (ever fornicated?), idolators, etc, etc…… ALL of whom may legally be married, and probably were by this magistrate.

          Timothy 1:8-11: Again, not Jesus, but Paul. Also brings up many other sins, including murder, the sexually immoral, and liars. I’m willing to bet that, if you’re married, you lied before and after your marriage. Should you not be allowed to marry? I’m betting the good magistrate has even lied a few times in his life. That would make him a hypocrit (and I bet he even had the audacity to get married in a church!). Oh and I bet he married PLENTY of people who were sexually immoral that very night!

          • Gary

            Jesus confirmed that marriage is the union of a man and a woman in Matthew 19:4-6, and Mark 10:6-8. It is impossible to find any Biblical support for either homosexuality, or same-sex marriage.

        • Robby Clewley

          Im glad you are not a supreme court justice. It must make you really upset that SEVEN more states made gay marriage legal today huh… The war on homosexuality is LOSING.

          • Gary

            If you are interested in knowing your future, I suggest you read 1 Corinthians 6:9,10. If you don’t inherit the kingdom of God, do you know what the alternative is?

          • Robby Clewley

            i know for a fact i am going to be with god in heaven . i am at peace with my creator.

          • Gary

            Who is your god? I know it isn’t the God of the Bible, so who is it? Does your god have a name?

          • Robby Clewley

            jesus christ is my god. the bible like any book has made up lies , god doesent oppose homosexuality, that was an opinion put in there

          • Gary

            Jesus Christ is NOT your god. If Jesus was your God you would not say and do the things you do.

          • Robby Clewley

            I see, so you know everything about me . You live inside me .. wonderful. Didnt know you were so powerful. OK what would you like to see happen Gary ?

          • Gary

            You can know what people are by what they say and what they do. Your words prove your claim of Christianity is false.

          • Robby Clewley

            Thankfully your opinion of me means nothing 🙂

  • http://banker.funurl.com/ Joseph g

    It does not matter what the World believes or what the majority believe this is a Republic not a Democracy all the majority rules is nonsense

    • Rus Shore

      It absolutely matters. However, our Founding Fathers had the foresight to understand that it was wrong to allow the majority to comtrol the rights of the minority. Hence the 14th Amendment (or did you stop reading after the First?).

      • Ambulance Chaser

        No, I’m pretty sure they got at least to the Second. Then they jumped straight to the Tenth. I don’t know which other ones they read, but they definitely ignored the Fourth and Eighth.

        • Rus Shore

          Unfortunately, Christians and non-Christians alike are guilty of abusing the 4th and 8th. As for the 2nd, Christians pick and choose from it like they do their Bible.

      • http://banker.funurl.com/ Joseph g

        I do not understand what exactly you are referring to the 14 th Amendment? The 14th Article of Amendment usurped the
        foundations of every government in the united States of America
        and overthrew every constitution in the united States; both state/country
        and national. The unconstitutional acts over the last 140-plus years
        have stemmed from this single act of Congress, an incremental realization
        of the powers resulting from the 14th Amendment, and the maintaining
        of the overthrow of law. These include the Federal Reserve Act,
        the Buck Act, the Social Security Act, the IRS, the ABC Departments,
        every executive order, every federal mandate upon the states. The
        current unconstitutional state governments are all founded upon
        the Reconstruction Acts, and the 14th Amendment; the nationalization
        of citizenship. This one Amendment made everyone, of every race
        and creed, subjects(slaves) of the Federal Jurisdiction, unlawfully, as for any federal ruling over any state pertaining to Marriage/same sex marriage is in fact unconstitutional

        • Rus Shore

          Oh brother. We have one of those people. States still have rights, and you still have your conspiracies. Not sure why some people still have the idea that states should be more important than the country they are in.

  • Gary

    The problem is the federal courts are abusing their power. They consider themselves the interpreter of the Constitution. And if the US Cons. does not say what they want, they just claim it does say what they want. And then they demand that everyone pretend the emperor has new clothes.

    • Rus Shore

      Ummmm…… They ARE the interpreters of the Constitution. That’s exactly their job.

      • Gary

        They are saying the US Cons. says things it does not say. If the US Cons. actually said what the courts claim it says, then they would be right and the way to change it would be to amend the US Cons.. But the Cons. does not say what the judges claim it does. They are lying.

        • SpeakTruth

          You actually believe all of the judges that have ruled against same sex marriage bans for the last year and a half are ALL lying? Judges that were appointed by the liberal President Carter AND the conservative President Reagan in red states and blue states have ALL conspired to “lie” in favor of gay people? Judges who have years of education and experience in interpreting the law all have an agenda to help gay people? Does that truly sound reasonable to you?

          • Gary

            Yes. If you read the Cons. you will find no reason for their rulings. Why do they want to legalize ssm? I don’t know. But I do know their reason is not in the US Cons.

          • Rus Shore

            If you don’t stop reading at the First Amendment and very all the way to the 14th,you will find the exact reason for their rulings………ALL of their rulings.

          • Gary

            I have read the entire US Cons. and I cannot find any reason for legalizing ssm.

          • Opus35

            You have no idea about what you are talking about. If you look at the 14 amendment, at civil rights, and equal protection plus Loving v Virginia. All of this and the fact that these judges are much more well educated on the Constitution then you or I, it is clear this is not a conspiracy. Come up with a good reason that they would want to conspire to help gays and lesbians, before I or anyone with half a brain will take you seriously.

          • Gary

            You will have to ask the judges what their reasons are. All I know is that they are making rulings that they are not entitled to make and saying the rulings are written in the Cons. when it isn’t.

          • Opus35

            In their ruling, is always a reason for that ruling. It is most likely, on line at some point. Maybe not the day it was ruled on, but at some point.
            This is not a conspiracy, and you need to educate yourself on why it’s not. Going through life with feelings that something is conspiring against you, is not a happy way to live. I would suggest you find the answers to your questions, so you can find some peace.

          • Gary

            I am at peace with God. I am at war with a government that legalizes the immorality of ssm and then lies about it being demanded by the US Cons..

          • Robby Clewley

            awe you are losing as 7 more states made gay marriage legal yesterday.

          • Opus35

            You don’t sound like you are at peace. You keep talking about liberal judges, and some type of. conspiracy. But hey if you say so. Peace to you and good luck with your conspiracy theory.

          • Gary

            I am not at peace with people who promote evil. No, I’m not.

          • Robby Clewley

            gay marriage is here to stay so you are just going to have to deal with it

          • Gary

            It is temporary. And I am dealing with it by rejecting it and opposing it.

          • Robby Clewley

            your opinion means nothing. not temporary and not going away. we are on our way to 50 states , 31 plus dc and counting , no more doma. ahhh yes victory tastes sooooo sweet gary

          • Gary

            Enjoy it while you can. It won’t last.

          • Robby Clewley

            The SCOTUS won’t change their decision so yes it will last . You lost , just accept it. Why would you want to dictate what others do in their personal lives ? Is YOUR life that boring

          • Gary

            I don’t care what you do, as long as you leave people out of it who want no part of it. But I don’t think you will do that. You sodomites demand that everyone approves of you.

          • Robby Clewley

            So why do you parade your straight marriages around and your anti gay and anti women sermons ? We dont wanna see that. We just demand equality and we are getting it 🙂

          • Gary

            No, you won’t get it. God is anti-homosexual, and all Christians are too.

          • Robby Clewley

            Speak for yourself , dont speak for others. Liberal Christians are pro gay, pro choice, pro immigration, etc

          • Gary

            Real Christians are not pro-gay, or pro-abortion.

          • Robby Clewley

            Real Christians dont judge people . Worry about your side of the street and I will worry about mine. Anyway as I said , off with my man to a movie . Talk later 🙂

          • Bolvon72

            ^Said the same thing in ’73.

          • SpeakTruth

            It isn’t a matter of wanting to extend the rights of some to the rights of all. It is a matter of their duty as judges, as Supreme Court Justices. Although, I am sure many of them did feel good about playing a part in ending years of bigotry and discrimination. The arguments against same sex marriage do not hold up in a court of law. There is no legal reason to deny gay couples the right to marry.

          • Gary

            I disagree. If the judges are going to force the legalization of ssm on the nation, they need to have a Constitutional reason for it, and they don’t.

          • Robby Clewley

            its called equality. just like women and other races , we in lgbt community are equal too.

          • Gary

            I know what it is called, but there is nothing in the Constitution that requires the government to consider homosexuals equal to heterosexuals, or to legalize ssm.

          • Robby Clewley

            You are not very bright are you .. most conservatives are not lol. You are funny , losing a war so results to silly arguments

          • SpeakTruth

            No, sir. The law and the court system doesn’t work that way in our country. To deny people the right to marry someone of their own choosing, the burden is on the person (state) to provide a compelling LEGAL reason. Many AGs and private groups tried to argue various reasons to deny gay couples the right to marry. ALL of the reasons were were either proven to be untrue or irrelevant. The judges had no choice.

          • Gary

            Nonsense. The judges chose to do wrong. They knew what they were doing. And they also know there is no justification for what they have done in the Constitution.

          • SpeakTruth

            Gary, I guess there isn’t much left to say. Federal judges appointed by both democrat and republican presidents, confirmed by both liberal and conservative congresses, from all over the US agree that gay marriage bans are unconstitutional. Not that it matters where civil rights are concerned, but, the majority of American citizens agree that gay couples should have the right to civil marriage. You can stomp your feet and plug your ears if it helps, but there is precedent (justification) for the court rulings.
            Take care.

          • Gary

            I, and millions of others, will never accept ssm as being legitimate.

          • SashaC

            You don’t have to accept anything. You’re entitled to your prejudice. But you do have to abide by the laws, regarding discrimination.

    • SpeakTruth

      Sir, they are EXACTLY the interpreters of the Constitution! Perhaps you do not understand the the function of our court system?

      • Gary

        I understand the US Cons. does not define marriage, nor give the courts the authority to define it. And yet, that is what the courts are doing. The judges are doing what they want, and then falsely claiming the US Cons. required them to rule as they did. They have abused their power and failed to protect and defend the US Cons..

        • Rus Shore

          The US Constitution doesn’t define ANY of our laws. It defines our rights. Specifically, the 14th Amendment says that no law shall be created that denies anyone citizen any rights that are granted to others. It also says that we are to be granted EQUAL protection under the law. Therefore, if the law grants any benefits to any person, or must grant the same benefit to all people. And since the Constitution doesn’t define what a marriage is, the government can and has…… It’s a marriage between any two consenting adults.

          • Gary

            If you are correct, then there can be no qualifications for marriage, with the possible exception of the minimum age requirement. And even that can be changed, if the courts ever want to.

          • Rus Shore

            Consent should be the only qualification for marriage. In fact, if a person is of age to consent, I don’t have a problem with them marrying as many other consenting adults as they want, assuming all of them consent together. In the eyes of the law, marriage is simply a contract.

          • Gary

            “Consent should be the only qualification for marriage.” I understand that is your opinion. But there is no support for your opinion to be found in the US Cons.. You want the government to legalize whatever you want to do, but you cannot prove that the government has any obligation to do that.

          • jps

            Ok, I know you tend to have a closed mind on this but I will try to simplify it for you Gary.

            The 14 amendment simply stated means that if one group has a right or privilege then all groups have equal access to that right or privilege. If one group has to meet a criteria before practicing that right or privilege then all groups have to.

            For marriage I will use the example of race to simplify it in hopes it does not muddy the waters for you due to your religious views.

            If Whites have the right/privilege (however you see it though it is a right) to marry. Then all races have the right/privilege to marry. This is equality.

            However as many have pointed out marriage does have some restrictions on it such as valid consent.

            So this restriction has to be applicable and applied to ALL races, not just white. This is also equality.

            To bring this back to Same sex marriage:

            Homosexuals are demographic or group in this country. Same as asians are a demographic or group in this country, same as whites are. So because of this per the 14th amendment grants them the same rights, and privileges afforded any other demographic in this country. One of these rights is marriage.

            So banning them from marriage would mean they are not being treated equally. This is why it was found unconstitutional because it violated the 14th right.

          • bob

            measure the distance between u s a and the christian god we will lose the war we are in

          • jps

            I’m sorry but I have no idea what you are trying to say.

          • Gary

            Homosexuals have never been barred from marriage. They have been allowed to marry under the EXACT same rules as everyone else. They have NOT been treated differently than me or you.

          • jps

            Oh? So heterosexuals are limited to only marrying people they are unattractive to? I’m sorry i didn’t know that.

          • Gary

            When you apply for a marriage license, they don’t ask if you are attracted to each other, or if you love each other, or if you feel you are compatible, or if you think you will die if you don’t marry each other. All of those things are irrelevant to the government.

          • jps

            Exactly, so it doesn’t matter if it’s 2 guys or 2 girls or a man and a women, It is irrelevant to the government.

          • Gary

            It used to be relevant. But the government has accepted the perversion of ssm. But, many of us citizens have not accepted it. And we won’t.

          • jps

            Same as it accepted the perversion of interracial marriages.
            You’re entitled to your opinion, which I know won’t change and that’s fine.

            But the fact of the matter is this issue is running it’s course through the proper channels of our government. You just disagree with the decision the courts are making across the country.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            I wouldn’t say the Constitution only defines our rights. It contains many, many procedural rules, most of them having to do with the duties and responsibilities of each branch of government (such as Presidential powers under Article II, and Congress’s powers under Article I). Some amendments set procedural also rules, like the 20th and 25th Amendments’ succession rules for the presidency, and the 22nd Amendment’s term limits.

  • robertzaccour

    The state shouldn’t have anything to do with marriage in the first place. I’m not getting a marriage license.

    • jps

      I would recommend you then go to a lawyer and have him draft up the many legal contracts a marriage license would automatically bestow on you.

      • robertzaccour

        Well this wouldn’t be an issue without the state being involved now would it.

  • Opus35

    If you can do the job, then quit or be fired.

  • MaryWaterton

    The founding fathers (who wrote the Constitution and were Christians) would have burned Judge Max Cogburn’s courthouse to the ground and run him out of town. Judge Gary Littleton and Judge John Kallum showed some spine, but I’m wondering when the rest of the Christians in this country are going to grow one? There should be national wide civil disobedience if Christians really believe what is written in that Bible. If even 10% of Americans are born-again Christians, that’s enough to shut this country down if they really put their minds, hearts, and wills into it.

    • Opus35

      I think the answer you are looking for maybe here. This is why what you are expressing will not happen.
      http://www.politico.com/story/2014/10/poll-supreme-court-gay-marriage-111974.html

      • Pax Humana

        That poll is a lie and they are duping the populace into accepting evil, just like when Communism, Socialism, Fascism, Nationalism, and Imperialism ruled the world. They also did things like that in the countries where they flourished and they all only succeeded in being destroyed by their own lies in the end.

        • Opus35

          It’s hard to live in your head isn’t it? If you looked at the article, you would know that it was done by ABC news, and the Washington Post. The Washington Post is a liberal paper, but ABC news is not. They do polls together to help get a cross-section of people.
          You can continue to live in denial all you want, it’s your life. The facts are simple, most Americans think SSM is no big thing. Much more pressing issues in this country then SSM.

    • Rus Shore

      The Founding Fathers were smart enough not to mix their religious beliefs into there political doings. They had just come from a land where kings did just that and wanted no part of it.

    • Opus35

      The founding fathers may have been christians, but did not write the Constitution with one word about god.

  • http://banker.funurl.com/ Joseph g

    We as Christians need to support these Magistrates in any way shape or
    form Marriage is between a Man and a Woman what next horses cows pigs we
    can marry any which way we want or it is discrimination if believing
    Gods word means you are discriminating or breaking the law so be it! It
    is time to take this country back and bring it back to way it was
    intended to be and for those who wish for not than we will leave it
    there JESUS IS LORD!

    • Rus Shore

      Oh good grief….. Not the beastiality argument again….. What do you not get about consent?? At what point do you start to realize that God’s word doesn’t determine the laws in this country? That’s specifically what the First Amendment says.

    • jps

      You can’t take back what was never yours. This country was never a christian nation. It is and always has been a free nation and a sanctuary for all beliefs.

      This country is also working as intended. The majority make the laws, and the judiciary determine if those laws are in line with the constitution. Banning gay marriage happened to not be in line with the constitution.

  • Jeffery Kinkead

    This country is going to hell!

    • Robby Clewley

      NOPE. finally coming to its senses and legalizing gay marriage like other civilized and EQUAL nations. Just because you are a homophobe doesnt mean the rest of the world is.

      • Gary

        According to the Bible, homosexuality is immoral. Why do you want the government to sanction immorality? Isn’t it because you are immoral and you want validation for your sins?

        • Robby Clewley

          the government is about equality and they are changing the laws so we all are treated equally and its great . being gay isnt a sin, god made me bi/gay just like he made you straight. not a sin but nice try to justify your hate.

          • Gary

            You make sinful choices and then want to blame God for them.

          • Robby Clewley

            I was born gay , not a choice. I never blame God , I praise and love God.

          • Gary

            You choose to behave as a homosexual. And then try to blame it on God by saying you were born to do what you do. The pedophile, the murderer, the liar, and the thief could all say what you are saying.

          • Robby Clewley

            You described all things that are CRIMES. Being gay is not a crime. Next lie you want to spread ?? Were you born straight or was that a choice ?

          • Gary

            It does not matter how you or I were born. We are not machines. We both choose our behavior.

          • Robby Clewley

            So why would I choose something that is hated by hateful bigots like you and others ?

          • Gary

            And hated by God. Don’t forget that.

          • Robby Clewley

            Nope, God loves me

          • http://banker.funurl.com/ Joseph g

            It is not a sin? what bible are you reading?

            1 Corinthians 6:9-11
            Don’t you realize that
            those who do wrong will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Don’t fool
            yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or
            commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality, or
            are thieves, or greedy people, or drunkards, or are abusive, or cheat
            people-none of these will inherit the Kingdom of God. Some of you were
            once like that. But you were cleansed; you were made holy; you were made
            right with God by calling on the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by
            the Spirit of our God. (

            1 Timothy 1:8-10
            Now we know that the law is
            good, if one uses it lawfully, understanding this, that the law is not
            laid down for the just but for the lawless and disobedient, for the
            ungodly and sinners, for the unholy and profane, for those who strike
            their fathers and mothers, for murderers, the sexually immoral, men who
            practice homosexuality, enslavers, liars, perjurers, and whatever else
            is contrary to sound doctrine …

          • Robby Clewley

            We all go to Heaven . You cant tell me that i wont go to Heaven , you dont know me and my relationship with God. NO its not sin , those are man written lies . God speaks to my heart and I know without a doubt its not PLUS you cant say where I am going. Only God can.

          • Gary

            You will never see Heaven. You will go to the alternative.

          • Robby Clewley

            You do know I will never agree with you … so all your words are just blah blah blah. I KNOW I am going to Heaven , not a doubt in my mind.

          • Gary

            God does not let homosexuals in. You have been excluded.

          • Robby Clewley

            Nope , I have not . Nobody is. I am going out with my boyfriend to a movie . Will catch up later 🙂

          • http://banker.funurl.com/ Joseph g

            I did not say you were going to heaven or hell it is not my job or right to determine that issue I simply quoted scripture and apparently from reading that passage you are under the impression you are going to hell I guess that shows exactly how ignorant of a person you are so not only are you sick, perverted and twisted you are ignorant of the truth however I still will pray for your lost soul

          • http://banker.funurl.com/ Joseph g

            Look at this, we wonder why things are the way they are in America today ,the Government is about equality? They are changing the laws? Oh my !We are so lost and there are a great number of people in society who have this way of thinking and viewing ,living day to day acting on this type of belief system those of you who are reading this and understand what i am referring to and am trying to explain, what are we going to do? to save this country what kind of future do we really have? If our foundations are made of sand how do we rebuild and how did we come this point ?God Help Us

          • Robby Clewley

            I guess you don’t like the principles that this country stands for . EQUALITY for all people .

          • Gary

            Considering ssm the equal of heterosexual marriage was never a principle of this country.

          • Robby Clewley

            It is NOW. 🙂

          • Gary

            The founders of the country would not think so. And Christians don’t think so now.

          • Robby Clewley

            The law does though 🙂

          • SpeakTruth

            Many Christians DO think gay couples should have the right to marry.

          • Gary

            That is not true. No REAL Christian supports ssm.

        • Robby Clewley

          You crack me up Gary lol. I cant stop laughing at you .

          • Dennis Velco

            Virus spreading scum bag

          • Robby Clewley

            I have never spread one single virus , shows your ignorance. oh yeah ,, real Christian of you to say that,

          • Robby Clewley

            lol ok whatever

        • SpeakTruth

          Do you realize that many people do not believe in gods? Do you realize that many Christians disagree with your interpretation of the bible? If you could stop for a moment and understand that many people do not think the way you do, it would make your life easier and you might develop some compassion and empathy for people that are different from yourself.

          • Gary

            I know many people say they do not believe in gods. All Christians agree that homosexuality is immoral. No exceptions. But there are people who say they are Christians, but are not, who support homosexuals.

          • SpeakTruth

            There are also Christians who say you are not a Christian. They say your interpretation of the bible is incorrect. They say you are not a follower of Christ when you judge others. For those of us who do not believe in the existence of gods, the argument of “who are THE true Christians” is rather sad. You are arguing over who knows the thoughts of a god.

      • Jeffery Kinkead

        I am not afraid of sodomites, I am afraid of God’s wrath on this nation.
        Psalm 9:17 KJV
        The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God.

        • Opus35

          So your godphobeic! Should you honor a vengeful god, that you are afraid of?

        • Robby Clewley

          I don’t forget God , I love God. You are the one God would have wrath on because he does not like people that try to play him.

          • Dennis Velco

            You love God? You sure don’t love people who are not like you.

            Trailer trash.

          • Robby Clewley

            My mom dad coworkers and many friends are not gay , i love them and god. I dont live in a trailer btw 🙂

      • ken

        You’ll die of AIDS, then what is your “equality” worth?

      • Dennis Velco

        Face it, you’re just a cheap, trailer trash slut, an assho/e with nothing in her life but sex. Vulgar and disgusting.

        • Robby Clewley

          im a guy duh lol

  • Jeffery Kinkead

    Sodomy is unnatural and perverted.

    • Opus35

      So you feel the same why for heterosexuals who perform sodomy on each other?

    • Robby Clewley

      No but being a douche is , you should know 🙂

      • Dennis Velco

        Hey, Christian girl, aren’t you a shining example of faith?

    • Bolvon72

      You are in more dire need of a BJ than any white man in history–Robin Williams.

      • ken

        Trash

    • jps

      Would you restrict heterosexual marriages that partake in sodomy. Because most of them do! (Hint: sodomy isn’t just using the back door)

  • Jeffery Kinkead

    Thank God for a Christian that actually lives out his faith regardless of the personal cost and hardship it brings!

  • alnga

    God will not be mocked for much longer. He will wreck havoc in his wrath.

    • Opus35

      Do you have a particular day that you think this will happened? I don’t want to over book if god is coming to town.

    • SpeakTruth

      Christians have been saying that for over 2000 years. Yet, still no word from God. So, either he isn’t there, or he doesn’t care!

      • Sha-wei

        You pitiful creature, as blind as a bat in daylight. You simply have no idea you are fulfilling prophecy, do you?

        “…In the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, “Where is this ‘coming’ he promised? Ever since our ancestors died, everything goes on as it has since the beginning of creation.”

        “But they deliberately forget that long ago by God’s word the heavens came into being and the earth was formed out of water and by water. By these waters also the world of that time was deluged and destroyed. By the same word the present heavens and earth are reserved for fire, being kept for the day of judgment and destruction of the ungodly.”

        YOUR role in this end-time drama is constituted by the last word in the preceding paragraph, your part to play three words before that; your final exit from the stage is already in the script, is it not? So, DO NOTHING and just play your part in the SPECTACULAR closing act.

        OR look down by your feet… the floor is not far from your knees. It’s almost time for the show…

        • SpeakTruth

          Again, Christians have been waiting for this for over 2000 years, including the apostles. People have complained that this world or this country is going to hell. They have pointed to various signs and warned the rest of us. Christians have sold their possessions and prepared for an actual day they KNEW was imminent.
          So, I am not worried. I do no believe in gods. I do not look to ancient texts to figure out when a god will appear.
          What saddens me, Sha-wei, is that people spend so much time and energy looking for answers in ancient holy books, instead of learning about the world around them, and being kind to fellow human beings and taking care of our resources so humanity can continue to exist.

          • Sha-wei

            “I do no(t) believe…a god will appear.”

            Well, that’s that, then. A pity.

          • SpeakTruth

            Not a pity. “Scoffers” have been around for over 2000 years! There are no signs! The “pity” is the handwringing and judgment in which Christians engage over the private lives of consenting adults when there are so many other real problems to fix. Why must some Christians insist on legislating how law abiding consenting adults live their lives?!

          • Sha-wei

            Friend, you are free to do with YOUR SHARE of this existence we call “Life” what you will, but a timely warning has been given, a burden unshouldered, an invitation proffered. And therein lies the sublime character of the Good News (“gospel”), that the spiritually and morally wayward, upon being cautioned of what awaits them on their present course, can turn and begin heading in the opposite direction… to Eternal Life (ceaseless sentient existence). The alternative is an eternity WITHOUT the human being once known – but now irremediably forgotten BY EVEN GOD HIMSELF – as “SpeakTruth”. Continue on your current path and you are more than a “dead man/woman walking”: you are soon to be NOTHING AT ALL.

          • SpeakTruth

            I am sure your words are well meaning, as I can tell your beliefs are strongly held. I was brought up in the Christian Faith and have read and studied the bible for years. It is not a matter of turning away from God, and doing my own thing. It is that, in my opinion, the bible is no more believable than any other religious text or myth.
            I understand how important your beliefs are to you, however, for those of us who do not share them, it doesn’t seem right to be forced to live by them, any more than you being forced to live according to Muslim beliefs.

          • Sha-wei

            I wish I could engage you from a position of great learning from the humanistic and natural sciences, persuading you with well-informed arguments and logical reasoning on why believing in (and simply BELIEVING) the God of the Bible is the most intelligent decision one can ever make. But for this approach, I defer to the gifts of far more knowledgeable regulars on these forums; I can only allude to God’s own words in this respect, taken on FAITH (or is it not true that “in God we trust”?):

            “Come now, and let us reason together, says the Lord. Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall be like wool.”

            “Call to Me, and I will answer you. I will tell you of great things,
            things beyond what you can imagine, things you could never have known.”

            “Look, today I offer you life and success, death and destruction… I am now giving you the choice between life and
            death, between God’s blessing and God’s curse, and I call heaven and earth to witness the choice you make. Choose life.”

            Friend, it is my considered belief that you will not get a better deal elsewhere. But “if you decide that you’re not willing to serve Him, then today is the day for you to choose whom you will serve”. Because of free will, there are alternatives for everyone, whether these be the gods of other nations, the god of the Self, or “the god of this world” himself. (Do reflect for
            a moment on WHY he is called that and on how that relates to the other “gods”.)

            The choice is YOURS. Your life, literally, is in your hands (your FREEDOM to choose). As the cliché goes, “choose wisely”, holding fast to this eager expectation: “No one has ever seen, no one has ever heard, no one has ever imagined what God has prepared for those who love him.” I can assure you it won’t
            entail the spirit child of God sitting on a cloud strumming a harp. May MY God guide you.

  • Robby Clewley

    Have fun in retirement bigot

    • ken

      Whoa, that’s brilliant. Lots of agape love in your posts, miss.

    • Dennis Velco

      Big Christian gay guy, so full of hate. You losers are a joke.

  • MC

    The SECULAR Case Against Gay Marriage.

    ADAM KOLASINSKI

    “The debate over whether the state ought to recognize gay marriages has thus far focused on the issue as one of civil rights. Such a treatment is erroneous because state recognition of marriage is not a universal right. States regulate marriage in many ways besides denying men the right to marry men, and women the right to marry women. Roughly half of all states prohibit first cousins from marrying, and all prohibit marriage of closer blood relatives, even if the individuals being married are sterile. In all states, it is illegal to attempt to marry more than one person, or even to pass off more than one person as one’s spouse. Some states restrict the marriage of people suffering from syphilis or other venereal diseases. Homosexuals, therefore, are not the only people to be denied the right to marry the person of their choosing.

    I do not claim that all of these other types of couples restricted from marrying are equivalent to homosexual couples. I only bring them up to illustrate that marriage is heavily regulated, and for good reason. When a state recognizes a marriage, it bestows upon the couple certain benefits which are costly to both the state and other individuals. Collecting a deceased spouse’s social security, claiming an extra tax exemption for a spouse, and having the right to be covered under a spouse’s health insurance policy are just a few examples of the costly benefits associated with marriage. In a sense, a married couple receives a subsidy. Why? Because a marriage between two unrelated heterosexuals is likely to result in a family with children, and propagation of society is a compelling state interest. For this reason, states have, in varying degrees, restricted from marriage couples unlikely to produce children.

    Granted, these restrictions are not absolute. A small minority of married couples are infertile. However, excluding sterile couples from marriage, in all but the most obvious cases such as those of blood relatives, would be costly. Few people who are sterile know it, and fertility tests are too expensive and burdensome to mandate. One might argue that the exclusion of blood relatives from marriage is only necessary to prevent the conception of genetically defective children, but blood relatives cannot marry even if they undergo sterilization. Some couples who marry plan not to have children, but without mind-reading technology, excluding them is impossible. Elderly couples can marry, but such cases are so rare that it is simply not worth the effort to restrict them. The marriage laws, therefore, ensure, albeit imperfectly, that the vast majority of couples who do get the benefits of marriage are those who bear children.

    Homosexual relationships do nothing to serve the state interest of propagating society, so there is no reason for the state to grant them the costly benefits of marriage, unless they serve some other state interest. The burden of proof, therefore, is on the advocates of gay marriage to show what state interest these marriages serve. Thus far, this burden has not been met.

    One may argue that lesbians are capable of procreating via artificial insemination, so the state does have an interest in recognizing lesbian marriages, but a lesbian’s sexual relationship, committed or not, has no bearing on her ability to reproduce. Perhaps it may serve a state interest to recognize gay marriages to make it easier for gay couples to adopt. However, there is ample evidence (see, for example, David Popenoe’s Life Without Father) that children need both a male and female parent for proper development. Unfortunately, small sample sizes and other methodological problems make it impossible to draw conclusions from studies that directly examine the effects of gay parenting. However, the empirically verified common wisdom about the importance of a mother and father in a child’s development should give advocates of gay adoption pause. The differences between men and women extend beyond anatomy, so it is essential for a child to be nurtured by parents of both sexes if a child is to learn to function in a society made up of both sexes. Is it wise to have a social policy that encourages family arrangements that deny children such essentials? Gays are not necessarily bad parents, nor will they necessarily make their children gay, but they cannot provide a set of parents that includes both a male and a female.

    Some have compared the prohibition of homosexual marriage to the prohibition of interracial marriage. This analogy fails because fertility does not depend on race, making race irrelevant to the state’s interest in marriage. By contrast, homosexuality is highly relevant because it precludes procreation.

    Some argue that homosexual marriages serve a state interest because they enable gays to live in committed relationships. However, there is nothing stopping homosexuals from living in such relationships today. Advocates of gay marriage claim gay couples need marriage in order to have hospital visitation and inheritance rights, but they can easily obtain these rights by writing a living will and having each partner designate the other as trustee and heir. There is nothing stopping gay couples from signing a joint lease or owning a house jointly, as many single straight people do with roommates. The only benefits of marriage from which homosexual couples are restricted are those that are costly to the state and society.

    Some argue that the link between marriage and procreation is not as strong as it once was, and they are correct. Until recently, the primary purpose of marriage, in every society around the world, has been procreation. In the 20th century, Western societies have downplayed the procreative aspect of marriage, much to our detriment. As a result, the happiness of the parties to the marriage, rather than the good of the children or the social order, has become its primary end, with disastrous consequences. When married persons care more about themselves than their responsibilities to their children and society, they become more willing to abandon these responsibilities, leading to broken homes, a plummeting birthrate, and countless other social pathologies that have become rampant over the last 40 years. Homosexual marriage is not the cause for any of these pathologies, but it will exacerbate them, as the granting of marital benefits to a category of sexual relationships that are necessarily sterile can only widen the separation between marriage and procreation.

    The biggest danger homosexual civil marriage presents is the enshrining into law the notion that sexual love, regardless of its fecundity, is the sole criterion for marriage. If the state must recognize a marriage of two men simply because they love one another, upon what basis can it deny marital recognition to a group of two men and three women, for example, or a sterile brother and sister who claim to love each other? Homosexual activists protest that they only want all couples treated equally. But why is sexual love between two people more worthy of state sanction than love between three, or five? When the purpose of marriage is procreation, the answer is obvious. If sexual love becomes the primary purpose, the restriction of marriage to couples loses its logical basis, leading to marital chaos.”

  • Gary

    There is no way to justify same-sex marriage from the US Constitution, or from the Bible. I would like to know the true reason federal judges are legalizing ssm, but I expect they will continue to say it is required by the Constitution instead of giving the real reason.

    • BarkingDawg

      You don’t understand the constitution, then, do you?

      • Gary

        I think I do. I understand that if the writers of the Constitution intended for the courts to define marriage, they would have said so.

        • BarkingDawg

          I was right, you do not understand the constitution.

  • Bolvon72

    Get gone then… I worry when a magistrate lets his personal beliefs enter into decisions about law.

    • ken

      Does anyone care what you think? Of course not.

      • Bolvon72

        Some care enough to stop, click on a button, and type a few words… thanks for caring.

  • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

    It is discouraging? depressing? disgusting?….one of those words to think of the layers of prejudicial thinking used to oppose marriage equality. Let’s take as an example two women faithful and respectful to each other throughout their years together, honest, hard-working, kind, good citizens, who adopted two special needs children whom nobody else wanted and provided them with a safe, nurturing home. 1) First layer holds those people who insist that this relationship is an abomination, perverse, nauseating, repulsive in the extreme…and they insist this is true about these two women. And they insist they aren’t ‘prejudiced’. 2) Second layer holds the people who insist this relationship is harmful, dysfunctional, disordered, damaging themselves and their children and society…and they insist this is true about these two women.. And they insist they aren’t ‘prejudiced’. 3) Third layer holds those people who insist this relationship is purely self indulgent, shallow, and hedonistic. A marriage sham and a bad example to their children…and they insist this is true about these two women. And they insist they aren’t ‘prejudiced’. 4) Fourth layer holds those people who insist that this relationship is condemned by God. They have no idea why but, as Lochridge stated, “It is not up to us to question what God defined as marriage.” And they insist they aren’t ‘prejudiced’. Which layer do you find yourself in?

  • Nedd Kareiva

    I knew this would happen and was waiting for someone to cover this aspect of what would occur if same sex marriage would become legal. Heather, see if you can find some more similar cases and post them or better yet, maybe you can do some investigative research. The homos like to claim no one is harmed by their marriages. Well, Judge Kallam was harmed in that he has lost his livelihood because his conscience will not let him do what he has done for many years without a problem.

    I believe there are many others like him out there and they will, pardon the expression, come out of their closets to tell their side. This happened with one clerk in Massachusetts after same sex marriage became the law there but the leftist press was nowhere to be found. Only Mass Resistance covered it after the clerk’s story was found in a church bulletin.

    As a public judge (could not do if I was a pastor), I would have no problem marrying those of other religions or none at all. The sacrament of marriage is beautiful to all who participate, regardless of spiritual persuasion. They can come to Christ and whatever beauty may have been in the ceremony becomes even more special after the choice to follow the Lord, should they indeed elect to do so.

    But there is nothing that can make two men or two women “marrying” beautiful because it is an abomination to the Almighty since marriage was His idea, all the way back to Genesis 2. The country’s sins are piling up and this one accelerates them since this makes a complete mockery & desecration of what Almighty God created. If this does not get repealed or rescinded, and sadly I don’t know if it ever can or will, but I daresay we better or His wrath may well come upon us. We already have the blight of 50+ million babies aborted. How much more will He tolerate? I believe California’s drought may be His judgment on that state. I think we better repent and do so soon.

    • Opus35

      No one made him quit his job. I would bet he will have problem getting a job with a law firm.
      Try not to cry victim so loud.

    • jps

      I would disagree that your god created marriage since it was around long before any part of the bible was recorded, and was most often used as a legal contract between family’s in which the participants had no say in who they were going to marry. It wasn’t about man and women, or even about love. It was simply about wealth and politics of the times.

      Also same sex marriage didn’t hurt that magistrate, his religion and ideals did. Homosexuals didn’t make him step down, his beliefs did. And honestly I respect a man willing to stand beside his beliefs no matter the consequences, but to say it is the fault of SSM is just false.

  • BFOJ

    Principles over Political Correctness. Homosexuality is a mental illness and a perversion and man has substituted what is natural for the unnatural. When a country accepts homosexuality as the norm they eventually collapse under the weight of evil. The USA will be no different. Contrary to the lies of the Left, most Americans do NOT support homosexual marriage. Just look at the results when the citizens have had the opportunity to vote for or against.

    • Opus35

      Your wrong!

      • Dennis Velco

        “Your wrong!”

        Illiterate dunce. The word is “you’re.” Your AIDS has progressed to the point of giving you dementia.

        • Opus35

          The only ignorant dunce is you! It’s called a typo! But when you have no intelligent argument on something, you have to go for the little things.
          You probably don’t know, that heterosexuals are the major group for AIDS worldwide. Not only that, but Ebola cases are all heterosexual patients. So I guess God is punishing you for your hatred towards his creations.
          That’s two for two. Hahaha

        • Net35

          You have no argument for the topic, so you just attack what you think you know. Then show your ignorance that you know nothing.

    • SpeakTruth

      MD’s, psychologists, and scientists in all developed countries say you are wrong. The AMA, the APA, and their corresponding associations in all developed countries say you are wrong.
      Recent polls say the majority of Americans is in favor of civil marriage for gay couples. The vote on gay marriage bans took place years ago, not that it matters. The polls are recent.
      Your principles are not everyone’s principles, and you can not vote away the rights of other people.

  • Michael E Clayton

    THERE IS NOTHING IN THE CONSTITUTION THAT SAYS FAGS CAN GET MARRIED! STOP USING THE CONSTITUTION FOR SHIT LIKE THAT.. HOMOSEXUALITY IS AGAINST GOD,

    • Opus35

      Oh you are a constitutional scholar? You know more then all the judges in this country. I doubt it!

    • jps

      No direct literal reading no. However it does have that all people are to be treated equally and denying marriage to one group means it’s not equal.

      And what does GOD have to do with it? Last I checked the constitution protected all beliefs, not just yours. My God is ok with homosexuality.

      • Gary

        Groups groups who currently are not allowed to marry, according to the sodomites: polygamists, the incestuous, minors. The idea that you have the right to marry whoever you want has never been widely held, until recent years.

        • jps

          Careful using the word sodomite Gary, That includes a very large percentage of heterosexuals, you may be one yourself without even realizing it, ever enjoy fellatio?

          • Gary

            Not the way I use the term. Sodomite is a Biblical term for homosexual.

          • jps

            Sodomite in the biblical sense coming from the story of Sodom and Gomorrah correct?

            The story in which God spoke to Abraham and told him he was going to destroy the city due to its evil ways. Abraham protested and asked if God would spare the city if Abraham could find 50 righteous men in that city. And then Abraham kept negotiating the number until it was down to 10. God sent 3 angels to the city to find those righteous men and they stayed at Lot’s. The men of the city came and demanded to ‘rape’ those men. This condemned them and god destroyed the city correct?

            When I read that story the rape is what stands out to me, not the homosexuality. So it seems that the biblical sodomite is someone who wants to force themselves on another. If you want to be technical then force themselves on a man.

            And I’m pretty sure very little to none of these individuals joining together in same sex marriage are trying to force themselves on each other. So calling them sodomites in the biblical sense incorrect.

      • Sha-wei

        “My God is ok with homosexuality.”

        An awesomely-appropriate statement, you hapless “jps”, for your god is the Devil. Repent and renounce the works of darkness.

        • jps

          Sure I’ll repent, all you have to do is prove to me your God is the real God and that the bible is 100% fact, not flawed by man’s hand, nothing lost in translation, and without any doubt the true word of God.

          • ken

            Do you queers ever NOT troll on religious blogs? Isnt’ there kiddie porn you can access, or are you unable to get an erection due to your age?

          • Opus35

            Wow ken you are one sick person the way you talk. Do you think God approves of that type of talk? Or do you feel he forgives your disgusting thoughts and language, if it is against gays or lesbians.
            Thinking someone is a pedophile without know them at all, is a clear sign of a bigot. Take the credit, and make amends.

          • Dennis Velco

            The gays always deny they want little boys, but everyone knows it’s true. Deny it all you want.

          • Opus35

            Well I’m a lesbian do you think I want little boys too.
            I love when the haters show their ignorance, keep up the good work.

      • Dennis Velco

        What “god” are you referring to? The pro-sodomy god does not exist. You sods don’t believe in God.

        • jps

          Which “sodomy” definition are you using? The biblical one of raping men? Or the modern version that a large portion of the heterosexual community partake in?

          My god has as much chance of existing as your god does. In this country at least people are free to believe in what they want, So I will continue to believe in a loving and caring god.

    • Sha-wei

      You are BLASPHEMING the name of the Holy God with your PROFANE declarations. “In your anger do not sin.” He will not hold guiltless any who so do.

    • SpeakTruth

      Of course there is, or the bans would not have been ruled unconstitutional. Using all caps to symbolize your tantrum isn’t going to change that fact.
      Your God has nothing to do with it, sir.

  • Donna Osborn

    I want to encourage Judge Kallam and Judge Littleton. Thank you for being a Christ-like example for the whole world. You are standing up for what you believe in and not compromising. By loosing your job you are suffering for Christ and He will reward you.
    I will keep you both and your families in my prayers. Don’t back down, stay strong in the Lord and remember “Greater is He that is within you than he that is in the world!”

  • Phipps Mike

    ““Western civilization was built upon the family as designed by God. The homosexualization of marriage is an attack upon the core of our civilization.”
    once again comes the ridiculous notion that if same sex marriage is allowed that it will stop heteros from having babies. Pretty illogical, eh?

  • Bill Tree

    Queers are not a family. Its between a man and woman. Christian News Network I see you have deleted some of my comments again. Why do you have this web page if I can’t share my view points. I will stand behind the Word of God and I am a Christian. But it seem to me that some of you are cowards when it comes to stand behind the truth. Queers will burn in hell not sin will enter heaven. I guess you’ll deleted these comments because you don’t have the back bone to stand behind the truth about sin.

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