Parents Pull Son from Class After Learning Middle School Teaching ‘Five Pillars of Islam’

HomeworkLOS ANGELES  — The parents of a middle school student in California are expressing concern after learning that their son was sent home with homework that required the student to outline key teachings of the Islamic religion.

The parents, who maintained their anonymity in a recent local television broadcast, showed reporters a copy of the papers their son had to complete for his homework assignment from Manhattan Beach Middle School. “What are the teachings of the Koran?” “What is the sunna?” and “What are the five pillars?”

“What I saw written in these bubbles was, ‘The one true god, Allah,'” the father explained, noting what his son had written in the section asking about the teachings of the Koran. “In one of the other bubbles was ‘All people must submit to Allah’ …  Then, I turned the page over and I see the five pillars of Islam.”

The parents state that while they don’t mind students being taught the history behind world religions, they believe it goes to far to ask to students to study the faiths in detail.

“Can you imagine the outcry all over this country if children were bringing home paperwork that asked them to write down John 3:16, or asked them to write down the 10 Commandments?” the father asked.

“And if it ended with the Declaration of the Faith, Jesus Christ is my Lord and Savior,” the mother stated, pointing out that students were asked to write down the Muslim Declaration of the Faith. “That’s what, the equivalent [of what they’re doing].”

The parents told local television station KTLA that they met with the principal about the matter, but because no changes were made in the curriculum, they will be pulling their son out of class.

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“The audacity of this school to think that they can set these children down and teach them whatever religion they please,” the father said. “You can’t teach religion in schools anymore, but apparently in this particular school at least, it’s not the case.”

The story comes just days after a father in Massachusetts likewise pulled his son from elementary school after he learned that students were being taught about Islam in a positive light.

“Muhammad never expected to change the world,” the textbook lesson read. “He was kind, and his nickname was ‘the truthful one.’”

“It says Allah is their only God. That’s insulting to me as a Christian who believes in just Jesus only,” parent Anthony Giannino told local television station WHDH. “We don’t believe in Allah. I don’t believe in my son learning about this here.”

The district has written a letter in response to the outrage, stating that the lesson was simply a part of the history curriculum.

“The current confusion stems from some members of the community thinking that we were teaching religion in relation to what students should believe,” Superintendent Paul Dakin wrote. “This is not the case at all. Islam, like all of the other major world religions, is studied in relation to the specific culture, time period or historical events are focusing on in a social studies or history class.”


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  • James Grimes

    The parents were correct in pulling their son from an environment where evil was being taught. The Koran advocates evil treatment against Christians. It is NOT a religion of peace. This is something that was learned hundreds of years ago and there will people who will still defend these evil intentions.

    • Charles Filorux

      “Muhammad never expected to change the world,” the textbook lesson read. “He was kind, and his nickname was ‘the truthful one.’” A half truth at best. He was kind to his friends, and bloodthirsty, ruthless, relentless and merciless towards his enemies.

      • Laura Wojtowicz

        And Islams, ISIS, Muslims believe they are kind and that their God approves beheading, torture, murder…………………..

        • cattnipp

          read the bible….. Lot celebrated his escape from the fire and brimstone of Sodom and Gomorrah by getting drunk and having sex with both his daughters……… because God wanted them to be happy that he excused them from his punishment of the VIOLENT rapists

          • ethelthe

            Don’t you go using those pesky facts here, that’s not natural or right 😉

          • Edward Vincent

            Cattnip, Can you please show chapter and verse ,as proof so that you are not being classed has lying.

        • lorasinger

          No they have fruitcakes like the ones here that bomb clinics and kill doctors. Label where the labelling belongs, on extremists, be they Christian or Muslim.

        • Malena

          Does the words “Crusades” or “Salem” mean anything to you?

          • Edward Vincent

            YES, but we do not do that anymore ,It is still done by the muslim islamic faith today though .? Think on that.

          • Malena

            Who at the time your faith was doing that, were making strides in the fields of math and science that Christianity sure as hell never gave the world. Actually, the times when Christianity has given the most positive change to the world have, by and large, been during periods of great corruption in the church. What does that tell you? Also, we live in an age where many Christians in certain parts of the world DO believe in putting people to death for things such as homosexuality. There are Christians in Africa too.

      • James Grimes

        Absolutely true. Thanks.

    • Katee Ripid

      America is going downhill,

      • James Grimes

        Absolutely! It is sad to see that, for the most part, it is the Christian community that sees this. For all the non-believers out there, everything is fine.

        • ethelthe

          James, no it’s not fine. As an atheist I worry constantly about people who think like you.

          • James Grimes

            I’m not interested in Atheists’ opinions. Bye.

          • ethelthe

            Oh Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy, I’m just not feeling the love.

          • Jarrod Maddux

            Of course you are not interested. You don’t want to hear truth or debate a topic. You just go through the threads saying…”yep”. You are not enlightened. You are an ignorant bigot, who doesn’t understand his own faith much less the faith of others. Have you read the Qur’an? I doubt it and yet you assume to explain what it says or have the audacity to judge it. Your simple refusal to even step out of your little bubble of self righteousness is disgusting, and immoral. Oh and that pipe you have hanging out of your mouth is a sin bub.

          • James Grimes

            LOL… another Atheist rant.

      • lorasinger

        And that works in perfect harmony with stats, the more religious the country, the more it slides on living conditions, to reflect the ten top countries in the world for murder – all super religious. The more secular, the better the living standards. Sorry religious folks but studies are not on your side.

    • cattnipp

      BS……… the ONLY people the Koran allows violence against are those people who are trying to kill you at this moment…. and if they stop the battle, you must also stop or you BECOME the aggressor…. “and God (Allah) does not favor the aggressor” ——- instead of repeating falsehoods as your handlers order you to, try actually LEARNING what the Qur’an says

      • Edward Vincent

        It states in the QUR,AN to kill or subdue all kaffar and infidels , ” which mean if you do not believe in allah YOU WILL BE SUBDUED OR KILLED?.
        Non violent or what.

    • lorasinger

      Check out: The Ashtiname of Muhammad, also known as the Covenant or (Holy) Testament (Testamentum) of the Prophet Muhammad, is a document or ahdname which is a charter or writ allegedly ratified by the Islamic Prophet Muhammad granting protection and other privileges to the Christian monks of Saint Catherine’s Monastery. It is sealed with an imprint representing Muhammad’s hand.[1]

    • mray2b1

      They weren’t teaching the Koran, in middle school World History classes there is a chapter on ALL the worlds major religions, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism and Islam. it is history it is how we understand how we developed our societies and institutions.

  • Deedee Keith

    WHERE’S THE OUTRAGE…

    • Katee Ripid

      Techniques and tactics to win over…

    • James Grimes

      The FFRF should be all over this and, yet, they say nothing.

      • Lark62

        It is fine to state factual information about the basic beliefs of various world religions. In fact this level of knowledge about the other people who occupy our planet is important.

        However, it helps to grasp the difference between “muslims believe allah is the one god” and “muslims are right when they believe allah is the one god. ”

        Or the difference between “christians believe jesus rose from the dead” and *christians are correct when they believe jesus c rose from the dead.”

        It is fine for public schools to teach about religion. However, the school cannot take sidesc on which beliefs are correct or incorrect.

  • Chris Karen Walsh
    • cattnipp

      why do you quote the old testament when your people claim none of it applies to them??? oh yeah, my bad…… only chosen passages apply….. not the passages that tell you it is a sin to wear blended fabric; to avoid pork; or to refrain from eating shellfish…….. only the portions that address things you personally do not do count as the word of God

  • Caleb Stubbs

    When I was in middle school (7th grade world history), we also learned about Islam…AND Christianity, AND Judaism, AND Hinduism, AND Confucianism, AND Buddhism. Whether you like it or not, religion is and has always played a huge role in human history. And yes, part of learning about about history is learning about each religion and their basic ideas. Teaching that Muslims believe Allah is the one true god is no different than teaching that Christians believe Jesus Christ is God’s son sent to die for our sins (Yes, we learned that in middle school, too). Each one is a central idea in its religion. The parents had no business causing a fuss over historical fact.

    • James Grimes

      Then all the facts need to be told. Islam is not a religion of peace.

      • Brandon Rush

        Just like how christianity is not a religion of peace.

        • James Grimes

          Just like how???? Are you asking a question or making a statement?

          • SashaC

            If he was asking a question, he most likely would’ve used a question mark. Hopefully not four, though. That would be ridiculous.

          • Brandon Rush

            Holy crusades? Persecution of others including native americans for not converting? The hinderance of science being labeled as witchcraft? Entirety of history?

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

            That’s Catholicism…that’s not Christianity. The Catholic church murdered and estimated 500 million Christians during the 1260 Great Tribulation exactly as the prophet Daniel predicted (538 AD – 1798 AD)…in the name of the POPE not Jesus. And they are still in the business of killing Christians, but now they are using ISLAM to do it.

          • lorasinger

            Without Catholicism, there wouldn’t be any Christianity. Paul invented it, the RCC seized on and built it, Protestantism separated from it and there is the present protestant Christianity. Jesus was a Jew, john, not a Christian.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

            John was not a Christian? Is that what you are saying?

          • lorasinger

            You’re John, John.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

            But what does Jesus being a Jew have to do with the RCC?

          • lorasinger

            The man, Jesus, has nothing to do with the RCC. He was dead for 30 years before Paul invented the man-god, Jesus, who was seized on and worship of him built into the RCC.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

            Paul invented Jesus? Dead 30 years…meaning He (Jesus) is not alive?

            I will keep you in prayer dear sister… 🙂

            Paul did not found the RCC, Simon Magus did.

            http://www.remnantofgod.org/pope1.htm#prophecy

          • lorasinger

            The Jesus of Paul is a god man in a story that most resembles the god men of Roman mythology, complete with a god for a father, a virgin for a mother, with a future human sacrifice to come, along with resurrection.

            Your god-man, Jesus, lives on in your mind. The human male, Jesus, died and remains dead.
            …………..

            Fine, you pray for me and I’ll think for you.
            ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

            Paul’s invented man god was certainly the basis for the RCC which grew in in Rome. There is no god man concept in Judaism.
            ……………….
            Simon the Sorcerer or Simon was a Samaritan magus a convert to Christianity, baptised by Philip the Evangelist. Christianity pre-dated him. Explain how he founded the RCC and keep in mind that the actual followers of Jesus and/or the apostle were killed off by the RCC. The RCC also killed off any other opposing groups as well. There would be no protestant movement for a thousand years or more.

          • Randy Nichols

            Ok Skippy… Crusades were result of Church and State being one. The average man was unable to read the bible for themselves and the clergy preached and taught according to the will of the rulers. When the bible was made available to the average man they no longer did the bidding of the kings in the name of Christ. Persecution of Native Americans for not converting? They were doing as they are directed and taking the gospel to all and offering them the gift of salvation through Christ. Where did you learn that it was persecution.. in school? You do realize the scientific consensus once said the world was flat.. right? No Christians, or any independent thinker accepts consensus as absolute science.. .science is facts, conclusions arrived to without supporting facts, but rather by consensus is not science. Evolution is still an unproven theory.. to believe in it requires a religious faith that it is true just as any religion requires a certain amount of faith. Man made climate change is still based on theory and speculation..that is why they changed name from global warming, the data and facts did not support their computer models. Climate change is not science, it is ideology and presented in the name of science to intimidate people into accepting the premise so that this manufactured crisis can be used to serve their political purposes.. or in the case of Al Gore it is used to make millions of dollars.

        • lorasinger

          Because more have died at its hands than for any other reason. Check out “Victims of the Christian Faith” = all 18 pages of it.

          • Randy Nichols

            You think you are so smart. Yet you are repeating words that have been spoken before.. there was another that knew Christ and the ways of God and yet spoke of them with such contempt.

          • lorasinger

            Obviously smarter than you then, Randy. That person then also knew more than you as well. Nobody knows the ways of God because God is unknowable. In any case, you’re following Paul anyway.

          • Randy Nichols

            Your arrogance is your downfall.. it has kept you from facing or excepting the truth. When a person thinks they know everything they stop learning. We know the ways of God because of his word.. and we also know what he puts in our heart. If you have never had a relationship with God then I know you can’t understand what that means, and for that I pity you.

          • lorasinger

            When a person thinks they know everything they stop learning.
            ..
            Exactly right, Randy. You think you have all the truth because you’ve read the bible or at least know some verses. News flash! What you know is 2000 year old ramblings of a primitive tribe that thought disease was caused by demons.
            Relationship with which God? The ONE INDIVISIBLE God of Abraham of the old covenant that has nothing to do with Christians? Or the Christians triune God based on pagan lore?
            .
            Good. You pity me and I’ll think for you.

          • Randy Nichols

            You are one hateful soul. Not going to waste time debating the bible with you, regardless of what you think you know, or you position or how you feel… the fact is that the US constitution guarantees the right to free exercise of religion. So, you can not outlaw Christians, you can not force Christians to do things that is against their convictions. The government or its agencies can’t decide one religion is acceptable to teach or allow practice versus another. So that is a fact for you, so take joy in your freedom to have no religion, or to believe in the almighty state or whatever you hold to be true, and no one is going to behead you for it.

          • lorasinger

            1. You told me what you thought and did the same. I know that facts can be annoying but hardly hateful and if I am, then so are you since you are exhibiting the hostile attitude. Heck I’m all for Obamacare, food stamps, bank regulation, caps for CEO rewards for bad business management, prayer being kept at home and church, science being kept in the classroom, kindness to animals – just like you.
            2. No one except Faux News is harping on the idea that anyone is threatening Christians. 60% of them are normal people. I’m all FOR religion to be practiced at home and church – in school only if you want evolution taught in Sunday school.
            3. I agree that one religion can’t be upheld over another one and that’s why there is a separation between church and state but you know that already, don’t you? Especially the keep religion out of government part? You realize though, don’t you, that there might be some who are going to try to get into government and change laws to make a state religion and what if that state religion is Catholic again?

          • Randy Nichols

            You have exhibited open hostility to religion in general, but I communicate daily in business by email so I know one can’t always tell they mindset of the writer. So I will give the benefit of the doubt. As for myself, I have had a smile on my face during this whole dialogue.
            1. Obama care put government and bureaucratic control over 1/6 of the economy. For something that was not the crisis that was made out to be.. there was already basically a two tiered medical system in place one that was universal, and one that was private sector. There was already medical coverage for low income with children, and the elderly. No hospital was allowed to refuse treatment for ability to pay. I don’t know what economic circles are are associated with, but with relatives and acquaintances I have all socioeconomic levels covered. I know people on welfare, or other subsidies, and I know wealthy people.
            Food Stamps, I support, but also know they will not let people better their situation and ease them off, they cut them off abruptly once reaching certain level, without time to adjust their habits and establish a budget… also Food Stamps should only be for food….Period. No caps on CEO’s that is not any ones business, or the governments. If you think a CEO is making too much don’t buy their product or service… CEO salary cuts into dividend to stake holders, so they will demand the cut if their dividends are affected due to bad practices. No bailout for banks.. FDIC covers depositors, let bad banks fail.

            2. Well at least you have softened a bit on religion… have you seen Fox reporting threats to Christians… I watch them some, but not more than 30 minutes a day and have not seen it in news reports more than anywhere else. Even so, the others don’t report news that is negative to the left or the administration. The best source for unadulterated news is foreign news.. they still do investigative work and are not for most part partial to one side or the other. I am for state not being involved in religion, even at public school I would rather they didn’t mandate school prayer because the school will pick the type and to whom the prayer is addressed. I believe evolution is a religion with fact known, but am OK if it is presented as a theory, as well as it also mentioned that other religions prescribe to creationism.. don’t have to preach it, just discuss impartially and teach students how to think critically and search for answers and let them determine the truth as they find it.

            3. Any person is going to follow their conscience and the moral beliefs when making decisions. But I would cringe at a president pushing their religion actively. If the precedent is set, I may be in agreement with this one but not the next so I would rather not open that door. I realize we live in a secular world, and I categorize accordingly. But I do believe that religious conviction is important to individuals, and believe they have right to not participate in activities they find offensive. I am not talking about in the store off the shelf items, or a cafe or any other business. But if something has to be custom prepared, or participating is required such as photographer, the have a right to demonstrate in court that they have a conscientious objection.

            In reality, in secular only world you would probably find me more harsh on a lot of issues. My profession requires me to be analytical and examine a lot of data. So my nature is to examine things and apply probabilities and logically arrive at solutions. I don’t find that my faith is in conflict with my logical thoughts on issues.. actually my faith is where compassion comes from..and makes me try to be a nice and good person despite provocation.

          • Randy Nichols

            Either you are not as smart as you think you are, or your hatred for Christians blinds you to history. Before average man had access to the word of god, the church and state were a single entity. The clergy and church taught according to will of the rulers. So yes they got the people to do things in the name of Christianity that were not Christian acts. As man was given access to the bible, and churches became independent of the state they stopped doing the bidding of the kings. The protestants broke away from RCC when they could read the word for themselves and could see that RCC incorporated pagan Roman religions into Christianity…such as placing a man above others ( POPE), using icons in worship and deifying Mary, praying to saints, etc. You obviously hate religion, and you are not here out of any love for Muslims, you figured this a target rich environment to attack and express your hatred of Christians.

          • lorasinger

            No I don’t hate religion. It’s just a story just like all the other ones of the world. What’s to hate?
            .
            What I gave you are historical facts and the true Scotsman claim is nonsense. Christianity got to the top through murder, censorship, forgery, and it’s history is a bloody one right from the beginning. At one point, one of the popes even wrote “Contra Mendicum” urging the clergy to stop lying. Look it up.
            .
            You are fed a white washed, sanitized version of history – Like the churches “stopped doing the bidding of the kings” – They RAN the kings and with a forged document “The donation of Constantine” claimed temporal power over everyone too. They organized the inquisitions too.
            .
            Like your persecution claim right now – it’s nonsense. The Bollandists over a period of 300 years made detailed investigations and found only a half dozen bone fide martyrs and the rest were either invented or killed for reasons other than religion.
            .
            If you’re going to get your knickers in a knot, at least don’t do it out of ignorance such as that you’re displaying now.

          • Randy Nichols

            Your facts are confused, and also you seem to have a real anti Catholic bias….Also, the churches did break from the kings, and as monarchies fell the church gained more independence. Then the United States brought about full independence of the church from the with the 1st amendment.
            Now, something to think about. I would assume you are a liberal and buy into the whole notion that you are enlightened and somehow see you want the best for your fellow man… but then maybe not, you may be a earth worshiping mankind hater… and I am kind of sensing that is it. Either way you fancy yourself some kind of enlightened elitist and have evolved beyond the need for religion… but you are religious, your beliefs are your religion, you worship self, you show a devout and as closed minded devotion to your belief as any other religion. Everyone believes in something. To believe in evolution without proof is a religious belief, to believe in Global Warming er I mean Climate Change just on consensus of scientist without supporting data is a religion. Remember scientific consensus once insisted the world was flat. I suppose you subscribe to Nietzsche and you feel you have become Ubermensch.

          • Randy Nichols

            Now, miss philosophy expert.. ponder this. To what do you attribute you sense of morals? Do you believe in killing? Do you believe in protecting the weak? Do you believe it is ok to steal? Do you believe in fidelity? Do you believe in charity.. helping the less fortunate? Loving your neighbor? So on and so forth… Well if you do, as liberals claim, then your moral foundation is based on religion… those listed are Judeo/Christian principles, and many other religions also proclaim those as virtues. Those are religions are the foundations for what is considered good, fair, moral etc. Without those religious foundations, who to say it is not right to kill just because you want your neighbors property? If we relied on pure evolution as guiding principle, then the warriors would be ruling elite. The strong would overwhelm the weak. What does not promote advancement of the race would be eliminated. So, intellectuals who are not physically gifted would be of limited need so most would be eliminated since they would be trouble makers and question authority, homosexuals would be eliminated since they are detrimental to the advancement of the species. Men would completely dominate women. You get the picture. So even if you won’t admit it, your world you live in is ground in religious morality. So consider yourself lucky you were born in Christian nation where despite what you think we are really pretty nice, and even let you rail against us. You could have been born in a nation whose religions are closer to the base instincts of man. Or in a time when there was no religious influence, where all the virtues of religion would not exist.

          • lorasinger

            1. They came with my kit.

            2-6. It depends on the individual situation, but generally yes.

            7. Wrong. My thinking isn’t based on religion but rather on human decency. Judeo-Christian principles is non-existent. They are two completely opposite religions and two different covenants, sharing only a name of a Jewish teacher. Same garden – two different plants.

            8. Starting with “who to say it is not right to kill just because you want your neighbors property?(which is exactly why the church instituted the inquisitions, by the way) were all common to the church over the last 2000 years.

            9. All very nice but I would rather have been born in Sweden, Norway or Japan where the crime rate is the lowest, the standard of living is the highest, the health care is the best, and religion is all but non-existent.

          • Randy Nichols

            7. As I stated the whole concept of human decency came from religion, those concepts can not be traced to have any other origin. Judeo/ Christian has overlap in that Christians accept the old testament but with Christ a new covenant which offers salvation to all not just jews, and that man is not good enough generally to live by the old law and Christ offers salvation through grace. I do think Christians as of recent history tend to be tolerant of jewish point of view and hold an affection for the jewish people.

            8. The crusades were to take the Holy Lands from the muslims.. I would not argue that some kings were driven by desire for empire building. But the rank and file crusader believed they were doing right by protecting the holy lands. The Catholic church did and in my opinion still places too much authority in clergy to rule over subjects. It is still very hierarchical.
            A lot of things have been done in name of Christ that were not in retrospect Christian acts. Jesus said you will know them by their fruits. He warned many will use his name to deceive and history has many examples.
            9. All arguable points and I could offer long winded ( longer than I have been already) as to how their systems work for them as opposed to how they would here, and how our system despite some negative sides have presented opportunity and incentive for innovation that is unprecedented. Best of anything is usually subjective opinion, On other issues, Japan for example is very strict and harsh to Muslims. They are not allowed to try to convert anyone, and there are other limits placed on them. Japan, also criminals expect to get caught. They have a strong sense of honor in Japan. But if not for aftermath of WWII, they would still be very feudal and not the economic force they are now. I will leave Sweden and Norway for another time.

      • Caleb Stubbs

        Irrelevant. If you’re going to use that standard, then why not also teach kids that Christianity is non-peaceful, too? Christianity has caused just as much tension and wars as Islam or any other religion. That’s why religion is taught in history class in the first place…it profoundly influences history. Sometimes in good ways but also sometimes in bad.

        • Luke Hill

          He didn’t say anything about Christianity, for all we know he might want that to be taught to (or he can say otherwise later, but better have a good case for it)
          I think it’s fairly obvious that both the good and bad of religions should be taught.

          • Caleb Stubbs

            I agree that all major religions should be taught.

          • Randy Nichols

            Teaching is one thing. Immersion is another, they do not immerse students in Buddhism.. Buddha said you do not treat hate with hatred, and that is not the liberal way. They hate Christians so much that they embrace Islam because they perceive it to share that hatred of Christianity. They are playing with fire, the Mulsims hate non religious liberals worse than they do Christians.

          • lorasinger

            Except Christianity of course, because then it would be “persecution”.

        • Mark Barker

          People misunderstanding the Bible, or in the case of the Crusades, what their Bishop told them the Bible said, caused a lot of death and strife, yes. But the Bible itself does not provoke people to be violent, quite the contrary. The Koran, on the other hand is quite explicit in those terms. Convert, enslave, or kill. Can’t be much more blunt than that.

          It’s strange how I went through school in the 80s and early 90s, and not once did we ever learn anything about any religion. Even in history class. Religion is something that should be taught at home and at church. Everyone agrees that it causes great divisions among people, so why in the world would anyone ever want religion to be taught in schools.

          That’s just asking for trouble. But school today is more about indoctrination. Teaching children to believe what the school administrators want them to believe.

          • Caleb Stubbs

            Teaching children to believe what the school administrators want them to believe? I was in 7th grade world history in 2007 learning about Islam in a small school in rural Mississippi headed a conservative Christian administration under the influence of the conservative Southern Baptist or Methodist folks in our town. I can assure there was no “indoctrination” being taught there, just history.

          • Randy Nichols

            You do realize every school district is different and headed by a different administration and teachers themselves are individual, so you experience may not reflect those experiences of others…just saying.

          • lorasinger

            That’s because fundamentalists pushing religion in your face hadn’t organized yet. Crack pots like Palin, Santorum and Robertson weren’t in on the game yet and things were still rational. Now, in a desperate bid for power using the religious sheep banded into a close herd over things like abortion and gay, the right wing are using all kinds of far out, crazy, over the wall crap to keep the sheep dumb and together. Crocodile hunters, Honey boo boo and the eternally pregnant duggars are used to lull the none too bright mind away from actual world events in case the GOP need some sheep all the while keeping them motivated with Faux News.

          • Randy Nichols

            You need to look in the mirror. Everything you said is said almost verbatim by every leftist on these forums. Talking about sheep, you are repeating the same old hateful rhetoric and vitriol that gets spewed out every day. There is not any evidence in your rant that demonstrates one original or independent thought. The mindless forms of entertainment you speak of are to dull the minds of those that are not informed as to thinking that odd is normal and open them more to accepting the nonsense you are pushing. The left is reliant on the uninformed, since that is how they win converts. You hate FOX news because they present an alternative to the propaganda that is the main stream media. Liberals do not believe in freedom of thought, and oppose discussion or presentation of any ideas they do not approve. No, I have no illusion that I could change your mind, so what I say does not try to persuade you since your indoctrination and hatred runs too deep. Rather I am just saying I am not buying your crap.

          • lorasinger

            It’s not a matter of right or left, Randy – Most people are in the centre with only from 10-25% on the right or left. That leaves you on the right against the other 75% who are, by your own words, telling you something. Common sense might tell you that it’s something to investigate for yourself.
            .
            Yes I do dislike Faux News because what they feed you is by no stretch of the imagination something that can be called “news”. They create an alternate world for you to foster a them/us situation just as you are exhibiting now, in order to better herd you and your like thinkers into a flock of scared sheep. Your post reflects the fearful stereotypical pictures that Faux puts into your head like “reliant on the uninformed”, “dull their minds”, “do not believe in freedom of thought” (in actual fact, that’s YOU and your Faux friends, Randy, but you don’t even see THAT.)
            .
            On the contrary, fundamentalists like you are suckers to be led by the GOP as a stepping stool to power for them in no different a way than the Catholic Church 1500 years ago did.
            .

          • Randy Nichols

            That is a myth that most fall in the center and that has been the downfall for Republicans in the last two elections. If they try to appeal to the so called center then they don’t inspire those on the right that are not engaged to become engaged in the process. Most people view a centrist as same thing as leftest since centrist lack the back bone to resist the left and the result is the same. When a person is unapologetically conservative, and is able to articulate it they are supported by a large majority.
            I am not intimidated by your pretending to be smarter. That is just rhetoric and a common theme on the left to portray themselves as enlightened and more intelligent than the outdated, superstitious, conservatives.
            The traditional print, and broadcast media has been infiltrated by ideologues rather than journalist. There is no true journalist anymore, they come out of journalism school with the belief that it is their duty to be activist for the left. Sure FOX News slants right, but no more so than ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, all slant left, with MSNBC far left with no pretense of hiding their partiality. Most major newspapers lean left, as do news outlets AP and Reuters. Fox is very popular, but still is outnumbered and majority of people are fed the daily leftist talking points from the other media sources… young people for crying out loud think the Daily Show is real news.
            You are indoctrinated, and not the independent thinker and intellectual you fancy yourself. None of the democratic policies of the last 6 years have benefited the poor in this country, the top 1% are the only ones that have seen an increase in median income. Food stamps have NEVER been cut, the has rarely even been cuts in the rate of increase.. which right there shows you to be an indoctrinated ideologue. ACA has been a joke, and is exhibiting the same kind of inefficiency as any other government run program. Amnesty and not enforcing immigration laws has flooded the market with 6 million plus workers driving down wages for those that work low skilled jobs as well as taking opportunities from lower skilled people that need jobs, thus placing an extra burden on social services. 50% of the population already does not pay ANY income taxes, and are on the receiving end of some government subsidy or program. You think you are so smart but you have so much to learn. Too bad your mind is so closed you are not open to the truth. You worship an very flawed god called the State.

          • Randy Nichols

            At the time of the Crusades the average man could not read the bible. They only knew what the church told them. The church and state in most kingdoms were one entity. So, the clergy would teach in accordance to the will of the rulers and justify it as being biblical. At the time of our nations founding, they were not as far removed from that history, and that is why the founding fathers provided us with system for the clergy and the church to be independent from the state.

        • Edward Vincent

          The christians stopped the slaughter with the Crusades ,on the other hand Muslims are still carrying on with the slaughter?.

          • cattnipp

            of course…….. that is why the TeaParty wants to kill all non-Christians, some even wish to murder those who worship God INSTEAD of the Christ …..because they are a danger………… right?

          • Jarrod Maddux

            If you think murder in the name of God was last done in the crusades then YOU need to go back to history class. Ever heard of a little island chain called Polynesia? Ever heard of the Salem witch trials? Ever read up on the vampire hunts in Europe and New England? Or the Nazi’s? or the KKK? George Tiller? Or the Dozen or so christian cults that have sprung up across America over the last 50 years? Two weeks ago a kid beheaded a dude in the name of God. But never mind that right?

        • Randy Nichols

          Typical liberal spin of equivocation. You can not refute the facts that Islam is not a religion of peace so you somehow think that past actions committed in name of Christianity some how exonerates Islam. Those acting in name of Christ to do atrocities are not following the teachings of the bible or Christ and therefore are not Christian. When Muslims commit atrocities they are acting on the teachings of their teachers and prophet, and the words of the Koran. So, if you commit a crime, are we to just let you go since others have committed a crime? If a man had once been a thief would it be right for you to go steal from him?

      • raytheist

        Neither is Christianity a religion of peace.

        • James Grimes

          LOL. I’m not interested.

          • ethelthe

            I can’t help but imagine you sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling ‘na na na na na naaaa’ if someone says something that you disagree with 😉 You may be my current favorite internet person, because you’re so endearingly grumpy, although you should smile in your picture. The one you have makes you look old.

      • Raji the Green Witch

        According to who? Your personal opinion? Sorry, but your opinion is not up for discussion in a History class.

        • James Grimes

          Still not interested… bye.

          • ethelthe

            Oh James, you pout when you can’t keep up. That’s so sweet.

      • lorasinger

        Nor is Christianity. In fact, in 2000 years, more have died at the hands of Christianity than for any other reason.

      • mray2b1

        Nore is Christianity, did you not learn about all the killing that happened in the name of Christ?

      • Glen Giroux

        James- I’m sorry i see you face popping up everywhere with such negativity and venom – ALL religious based cultures have blood on their hands and probably none more then the Christians. It is now time to evolve in harmony with each other – we need to stop capitilising on geo weakness’ and cultural differences. This planet is awesome and ALL humans are inherintly good in small communities. We must start by loving ouselves first (the food we eat, our judgement over other) take care of our planet over capitalism – and accept that the Creator wants us to be loving above all. Peace out and be well.

    • Kimberly

      yet, they came up with laws where it is against the law to teach anything from the true Word of God… if kids are not allowed to be taught about this world really came about, or how this country was built under god, then other religions shouldn’t be taught either… I don’t know when you went to school, but teachings from the bible wasn’t taught to me… what was taught to me was basically what Christianity was and budism, etc…. that was it… but never was it taught or told to me who the god was of different religions or whatever, because if I was in class and a teacher told me that Allah is the one true god, etc, I would have stood up and walked out because I believe in what the bible tells me and if I cant learn that in school, I am not going to sit there and learn other religions in school. This country was built under God… If you are living in this country and you don’t believe in God or if you are a sand nigar, budist, jovhova witness, you need to get the hell outa this country because it is NOT the place for you.

      • Caleb Stubbs

        No, the teachers are saying that Islam TEACHES that Allah is the one and only true God. That’s a matter of basic fact…that Muslims BELIEVE that. Nobody is being taught what to believe, they are just being taught the basic major beliefs of each religion. Quite frankly, if you refuse to learn anything about other world religions besides Christianity, then you’re just choosing to be ignorant.

        • Kimberly

          The parents said they were upset because the school was teaching the “faith” of that type of religion. There is a difference between learning the faith vs. learning the history, just like what the parents said… now I don’t know if you know this or not but like I said this country was build under god and while it basically should have been illegal for that school to do that (with all the laws they are passing these days), but even if it wasn’t illegal, it still shouldn’t be allowed to be taught of the faith… yeah the history, sure, but if you want to participate in other religions and be open about it, then you should go else where, because even though this is suppose to be the land of the free, if you don’t believe what the Bible teaches us word by word, this country isn’t where you should be living… I know the history behind a lot of religions an backgrounds, so therefore I am not ignorant. I still just chose to only have the fait for God, my one and only true God… back in the day, they allowed the teachings of the Bible in schools. I am sure there wasn’t much of all the muslim stuff or what have you in schools and if there was, there was only teaches of the history and the reason behind all that is because even with all the crulity there was then in the world, just like now, Christianity faith was allowed taught in school because it was like another subject they prefer you to know because of how this country started out to be. now in todays world, i don’t even hear the pledge said often and even if it is, most cases, they took “and under god” out of it. why??? and this is wrong. so no, this is my opinion and if you don’t like it, well then i am sorry for that, but it is also fact because you cant tell me that this country wasn’t build under god. so therefore, my kid would also have been taken out of that class too because i wouldn’t have allowed a school to teach the faith of another religion that in my opinion is nothing but a bunch of bull because there is only one God… bt if a school wants to teach of the history, then yeah, so be it.

          • cattnipp

            the founding fathers were deists.. meaning they believed there was a god, not necessarily any specific god, not exclusively Christ, but a God……….. when written on 1892, the pledge of allegiance was originally “I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands,
            one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.” … so it could be used by any country. In 1923 the USA changed it to read “I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to
            the Republic for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty
            and justice for all.” then in 1954 McCarthy had it changed to prevent the USA from ‘succumbing to the communist threat’ so it then read “I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to
            the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible,
            with liberty and justice for all.” —— in the 1950’s was also when McCarthy forced ‘In God we trust’ printed on all money…… it was NEVER the motto of the country, which is … ‘E Pluribus Unum’ which translates to ‘out of many, one’ and celebrated the fact that people came from many nations came together to build the USA —— but the GOP denies all history except their own fables.
            http://www.ushistory.org/documents/pledge.htm

      • lorasinger

        For Muslims he is, Kim. For Christians, the God is a triune god with a kid. The Muslims believe in a single indivisible god the same as the Jews

        If you think it takes a person believing in God to be allowed to remain in the country, then I can only think of you as being an idiot. This country was based on freedom of religion, NOT just yours. capeesh?

    • Randy Nichols

      Parents have all the right to cause all they fuss they want. Their tax money pays for this education and it is their responsibility to ensure they children are not being indoctrinated. When I was in middle and high school 70’s and early 80’s there was historical discussion of all religions but never presented in a way like this. There was no immersion into those religions. I can also assure you now, even in the bible belt that Christianity is not allowed to be presented in this detail. If this was going on when my children were in school I would be right there in the middle of it.

  • Reason2012

    “The current confusion stems from some members of the community thinking that we were teaching religion in relation to what students should believe,” Superintendent Paul Dakin wrote. “This is not the case at all. Islam, like all of the other major world religions, is studied in relation to the specific culture, time period or historical events are focusing on in a social studies or history class.”

    Then they won’t mind “studying” about God and salvation: How we’re sinners, guilty before God and unless we are forgiven will end up in_hell to pay the penalty for ourselves, but then how Jesus Christ is God who came down to willingly lay down His life to make an atonement for us and our sins. All we need to do is look on Him and believe on Him as the only way to be saved – believing He is God, asking Him to come into our hearts to save us, having clearly had a change of heart about sin, the desire to turn back towards God.

    John 3:14-21 “And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.”

    Then give all students homework assignments to “study” this showing they have precise knowledge of God’s righteousness that He offers for us.

    Of course they will not even go near teaching this truth about Christianity, because they hate the truth and will teach every other false religion and not teach the one truth of God. This teaching of islam is preaching the islam while censoring Christianity.

    John 15:18-19 “If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.”

  • Neiman

    There are things which seemeth right unto a man, but destruction is the only end thereof.

    We Christians will have peace and even find encouragement in seeing these evil things coming to pass, when we remember that God told us that at this time in human history, most men would call those things that he calls evil to be good and those things which he calls good to be evil.

    We must pray for the protection of our own children from such evil, we must sincerely pray for all the children of our brothers and sisters in Christ; and yes, in the love of Christ, we must pray that he will protect as many children of this world as possible from the sure destruction such evil will bring to them. We must pray for each other for strength, for courage and to be steadfast in the faith.

    So, don’t let your hearts be troubled, trust in God’s word and have faith in Christ and you and your household will be saved.

  • Kimberly

    What needs to happen is they need to put the Word of God back into school and teach from that. Don’t teach about the Gods of other religion because this country was built under GOD!!!! and if you are not christen, or are budist, etc, you need to get the hell outta this country because like I said this country was built under God and I think it is wrong that the bible cant be taught to us in school. And as far as everything else from other religion, I will not allow my kids to have to sit in a classroom and learn that shit because I am a firm believer and the only thing I will allow to be taught to my kids about religion is about our one and only God… the one our country was suppose to be built on…. and even if they decided to put God back into schools, along with all these other religions, then the only religion I will allow my kids to sit in class and listen to is christanity and when teachers want to start talking about the true and one only Gods or whatever from other religons, I wont have it because our country was built under God. That’s it…. and its ridiculous that ppl even have anything to say negative about what these parents said because if you aint Christian, get the hell outta this country.

    • cattnipp

      the Qur’an is the word of God……. as much, actually more so than the modern bible…… the KJV was (re)written in 1611 by 8 members of the ‘church of england’ so it could be ‘understood’ and had to voted into approval by parliament and signed off as accurate by King James himself [no origional text to go by] ——- can you imagine what would happen of congress was allowed to edit “the never changing word of god” —– at that time there existed 8,000 manuscripts that addressed the bible translations…….. each manuscript said something different.

  • Luke Hill

    Really depends on the context which we don’t get much of in this video. If it was taught in such a way that it wasn’t necessarily something they should believe but simply displaying what people of that religion believe, it should be fine, but that concept needs to be stressed very clearly. Especially due to the fact that some words used included the kids themselves in their beliefs. “All people” includes the kids, if the testament to allah includes “me” or “I,” that would be more dangerous. It really depends on an understanding of how the classroom will react (Only a teacher would know their students that well) and the way the content is delivered in the lesson.

  • We Are Anonymous

    I wouldn’t allow my children to attend a school that teaches ANY religion unless it was Religious school. If children cannot say the pledge of Allegiance with” one country under God” in it, then I’d be organizing a seriously HUGE protest and DEMAND the removal of that class teacher and a change to the syllabus! Islam is a vile religion that condones the raping of women. Muhammad took a 6 year old child as his wife, sodomized boys and I cannot agree with THAT religion being allowed in ANY Classroom, in a country that was founded under Christian principals and even makes references to Jesus Christ in it’s Constitution! If the Christian faith cannot be taught, then NO RELIGION should be taught unless it is a private religious school. PERIOD!

    • cattnipp

      maybe you should educate yourself instead of baring false witness……… instead of repeating what the demons on Fox have instructed you to believe and preach

  • Lula Matlock

    If a teacher wants to teach about different religions then it should be ALL or NONE. yes religion is important to our country’s history. the very reason we have a country is because of religion and most of our wars had at some base, religious ideas.I don’t know if this teacher was including Christianity as well, but if he was conveniently leaving out one religion, then he should leave them all out.

    • cattnipp

      I believe that the basics of what a group believed during the history of that group is appropriate…. what… are they supposed to teach ‘christian’ dogma as the reason Muslims behaved in history?? maybe the christian ‘church’ should be held responsible for the problems in Muslim history……..

  • Emily Elizabeth

    Ughhh. These comments…. As a history teacher, I can promise you this is taught in a historical context. Why bother sending your kids to school at all if you’re only going to teach them a minute fraction of history? Not to mention that this has been taught in schools for decades in the context of understanding the Middle Eastern world, so I’m glad that people suddenly care. As an educated Christian, I can promise you that the thing that has strengthened my faith in God the most has been learning about other cultures and religions. How do you expect to reach lost people if you refuse to learn anything about them? Besides, My education has taught me that I don’t understand more than I do, and that I have to trust that the grey areas are in God’s hands. As a human, I don’t see how you can have the double standard that schools educate students about other religions and then get upset that they don’t talk about Christianity.

    Now that I’ve got that of of my chest, let the christ-like bashing commence.

    • Edward Vincent

      Emily Elizabeth,
      YOU CANNOT SERVE TWO MASTERS ,WHOM DO YOU SERVE ?
      If you read your Bible THEN YOU KNOW THE VERSE , So who do you serve ?.

      • Emily Elizabeth

        I think your caps lock is stuck.

        • Edward Vincent

          And I think that you are a IDOLIC worshiper,

          • Raji the Green Witch

            I think Emily follows the examples of Jesus, whereas YOU act like you follow the other guy.

          • lorasinger

            Yeah – Paul the liar.

          • Edward Vincent

            ARE YOU NOT THE GREEN WITCH ?

          • Raji the Green Witch

            And your point would be?

          • Emily Elizabeth

            That is the kindest thing that anyone has ever said to me. Honestly made me cry. Thank you.

          • Malena

            No, that would be me. The statue of Thoth on my alter thanks you for your acknowledgement.

          • Emily Elizabeth

            I think that your comment had absolutely nothing to do with what I posted.

      • cattnipp

        I do not serve the ‘church’ …… at the age of 9 I had the audacity to ask why we were taught to sing “Jesus loves all the little children of the world” if we were then taught that only white people are acceptable to Jesus….. the elders dismissed the class and gang raped me to teach me to NEVER QUESTION them again….. and told me that God had instructed them to do so………………………………. I HATE the ‘church’ …. I have a relationship with the creator, not those who rape in his name

        • Edward Vincent

          Dear cattnipp ,
          I am so sorry to hear what was done to you ,Yahushua is not a church , He is inside you ,A church is bricks and mortar , Yahushua is in spirit form .Do not hate Yahushua for what people do to you, Blame man not God.

        • Edward Vincent

          I do not go to church, I home church , Just for the same reason ,they are teaching a doctrine that is not comparison to the Holy Bible.

    • railhead

      Jer 10:2 Thus saith the LORD, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them.
      The Bible says NOT to learn the ways of other religions here. If you truly want to “trust God”, you have to know what he says first. I’m not sure if you have ever read this verse before, but do you trust God that he knows what he is talking about here?

      • Emily Elizabeth

        That is singularly the most inaccurate thing I have read all week… And I teach high schoolers who read on a sixth grade level. God doesn’t want us to *practice* other religions. God is also not an idiot, which is–you know, what makes him God. You can’t teach people anything without understanding who they are and how their past affects them, whether it is history, math, or sharing your faith. This guy you may have heard of, Jesus? He knew about people–who they truly were, which is why so many followed him.
        People who need Jesus are so turned off by Christians because of attitudes like yours and the other guy who yelled at me in all caps to get his point across. Geez, I am turned off by it. Who would want to accept a religion, much less a relationship, with all of these ignorantly pious fools telling you what a terrible person you are?? The same folks who, btw, completely misrepresent everything Jesus is.

        • Raji the Green Witch

          Exactly, Emily. As a Wicca I can assure you that it is NOT Jesus who turns me off of Christianity. It is the so-called “good” Christians that make Christianity disgusting to me. Why? Because I do not EVER want to be like them.

          • Edward Vincent

            If you are a wicca the you worship another God and not Yahushua. That is called IDOLIC worship.

          • Raji the Green Witch

            You apparently do not know a thing about who or what I worship. THAT is the point of teaching stuff like this. After all, Christianity does NOT get to determine who we worship, how we do so or to make the claim that we are or are not following a being that doesn’t even exist, as far as we are concerned. One can not worship the “devil” accidentally or unknowingly as that does not fit with the definition of worship. Your cavalier attitude actually illustrates my point about Christians as being a group of which I would NOT wish to be a follower.

          • Edward Vincent

            Like I said you worship Idols ,Is this site not the Christian news net work ? Then I am on the correct site, has for you ? Could you go to an Pagan site to complain , so my complaint is valid .

          • Raji the Green Witch

            You display the precise HATE and IGNORANCE that I refer to. It is “Christians” like YOU who drive people AWAY from Christianity. 1. You have NO idea WHO I worship, yet feel free to simply assume. 2. You have ZERO authority to pass JUDGEMENT. You ARE judging me, whether or not you come right out and say so by the way that you go on the attack against me and simply assume that I worship “Idols”. You see I am JUST as well versed in YOUR bible as YOU are. In MY faith, it is a GOOD thing to know as much about OTHER Faiths as possible. Why? Because, when WE make a CHOICE as to HOW to go about conducting our Worship, we make a 100% free choice. A choice based upon full knowledge of who, what, how, when and where to conduct that worship. We do not REJECT any other Faith, instead we simply ACCEPT the one that we are CALLED to follow. After we DO accept our Faith we do NOT judge others for NOT following our path. YOUR goal and OUR goal is exactly the same. We simply choose a different pathway to reach that goal. There are an infinite numbers of ways to reach the top of a mountain. Just because one person chooses to follow the smooth and straight path does not mean that those who followed the winding path that goes around and around the mountain and slowly weaves its way to the top is the wrong path. After all, both ways WILL get to the top. the goal is not the point of the journey, the point is who we meet and what we do along the way. YOU choose to follow the straight and narrow path of the Bible. I choose to follow the rugged, winding and hazardous path over the cliffs and through the loose rocks. You see the same scenery as millions of others and don’t truly get to blaze your way and see sights that are unique and beautiful. I get to experience it ALL. After all, I was put on this universe to EXPERIENCE as much as I possibly can. to me, that means going places that most never even bother with because the way is frightening. To me it is NOT frightening, it is exhilarating. I see and experience things that are unique and totally beautiful. When I arrive at the goal (yes, the same goal as you), I will have a lovely tale to tell of descriptions of things that could ONLY have been seen and experienced by actually exploring beyond the straight and narrow path which everyone follows. But then again, you follow a “one size fits all” kind of cookbook path. I invent my OWN recipes and taste unique flavors. Your way is no better or no worse than mine. It is ONLY different.

          • Raji the Green Witch

            Oh and yes, I CAN go to a Pagan site and complain. for that matter, so can’t you! Every Pagan site I am a member of has Christians who come on and “preach the “word””. Believe it or not, WE do not try to drive THEM away. Instead we let them post what they wish. Why not do unto others as WE would do unto YOU, as your own Bible tells you to do. Of ALL the Religions and followers of those Religions that I have encountered, none have been as intolerant as the followers of Islam and the followers of Christianity. Yet, BOTH of the namesakes of those Faiths have preached peace, love, acceptance and tolerance. WHY is it so hard for the actual FOLLOWERS of those namesakes to actually carry the sentiments into practice while ALL the other Faiths seem to have very little difficulty doing so? Perhaps you need to focus LES on recruiting and more on personal spiritual growth. Doing so will go a lot further in attracting new followers than they methods that are being employed currently by so many of your sects.

          • Emily Elizabeth

            Raji, I have been debating for days how, or even whether or not to respond to your comment. I don’t want to ever come across as one of “those Christians,” but to be honest, we are all truly awful people. I cling to the hope that Jesus has promised me. I am truly sorry from the bottom of my heart that the people who claim to follow Jesus are some of the most hypocritical and dark-hearted people that you will ever meet. As you can tell from the comments that these alleged Christ followers have left me, rest assured that it is towards anyone who disagrees with them. Personally, I have a hard time going to Church because the people there ruin it for me. As for Jesus, he really is a great guy. I love Him with all I have, even though I do a really crappy job of showing it most days.
            Please don’t take this as a “preachy” moment, I only want to share my experience. Being a Christian is most difficult because of other Christians. The only reason I am still a Christian is because I cling to who Jesus says he is, not how others define Him.
            I do wish you the best. Thank you for sharing your thoughts with me.

          • Raji the Green Witch

            Emily, like I said elsewhere, you follow the words of Jesus better than most Christians that I have ever encountered. Too many of them seem to feel that “saved by grace” means only that. I know and you know that yes, you DO need to be “saved by grace” but there IS a caveat with that. You have to make every attempt to “sin no more” . In other words, that grace MUST be accompanied by works. To make the claim of being “saved” and then to refuse to even TRY to change only proves that person is NOT “saved”. They have rejected the grace through their behavior. Yet they feel it necessary that they loudly make the claim of being “Christian”. They are like the proverbial “knight in shining armor”. They spend ALL their time polishing the armor and forget that to BE a knight you MUST follow the code of Chivalry. To follow that, you MUST do battle, you MUST take up the cause for the under privileged, you MUST defend the weak, etc etc. So too, must the True Christian follow the code of chivalry (the example of Jesus). They MUST love their fellow humans, they MUST feed the poor, care for the sick and disabled, visit those imprisoned and most importantly of all, be kind and loving to EVERYONE, not JUST other Christians like themselves but even others who hate them vehemently. You, Emily seem to be one of the few who actually practice that and that makes you a “follower of Jesus” as opposed to a “Christian”. Yes I know, to YOU those ARE the same thing; but to me, A Christian is a hypocrite, “do as we say not as we do”. Those are the ones who go around making a big show of BEING Christian. Jesus would have called them Pharisees, in his day. Jesus didn’t hang out with people like that. He hung out with prostitutes, drunks, lepers, robbers, the scum of the Earth. He didn’t hang with them because he liked what they did. he hung with them because they made NO pretense to be anything but what they were. They were honest with themselves and with those around them. MOST of them could be reasoned with, they had a heart that could be reached. they had compassion for their fellow humans because they realized that everyone is in the same boat, just struggling to get by from one day to the next and hoping for the best even while expecting the worst. Now, I may NOT be one of you, I have my own path to follow. However, your goal and mine are the same, we merely have different terms for it and follow different paths to get there. To you, the goal is the point, to me the journey is the point and the goal is the icing on the cake. When my journey is finished, I want to spend eternity with Deity telling my tales of what I saw and who I met along the way. I don’t CARE about rewards in an afterlife. That is NOT my goal. MY goal is to actually spend time with deity having endless discussions and telling tales and stories of events throughout this gorgeous universe. If I get rewarded for doing so, then all the better, but that doesn’t even enter my motivation. This is why the existence of non-existence of Heaven or Hell is irrelevant to me. I will regale whoever is around with my tales and stories of my life (lives?) and all of the lessons that I have learned. Heaven or Hell make no difference to me in those respects. If it turns out that there is no one to tell this stuff to then that too will be a lesson for me and begin a brand new tale for later. That too, is irrelevant to me. So, accordingly, when I do good things for people, it is entirely for the sake of doing it and I have no intention of doing it to please any other entity or gain a reward immediately or in some afterlife. Don’t get me wrong, I am a human, I too have weaknesses and make my share of mistakes. the difference is, I will NOT let some other being take up those mistakes FOR me. I take FULL responsibility for my actions. I realize that even the bad has a role in me learning a lesson in life. I accept fully the karma that I generate for myself and I eagerly look forward to confronting the results of that karma, both good and bad. I will compile all of that too into my tales with Deity or whatever comes along in the next life. Al;though I may have regrets for the bad things I have done I do not seek forgiveness for them, instead I strive to learn from them and by that make myself able to make the changes that I can in order to not repeat those things again. Forgiveness is irrelevant to any of that. If I get it, then good, it’s icing on the cake. If I do not then the problem is with the one who did not forgive and not with me. I forgive others because I do not wish to be owned by those who have maligned me by dwelling on it. I forgive not because they have sought it but because I have sought it and wish to just move on from that point. That too is all a part of my lesson in life and gets added to my ever-growing tale. So that is how you and I differ, Emily. But still, I can respect you and how you go about your life and how you encounter your own spirituality and honor it. I AM fairly well versed in the Bible, owning several editions of it, along with a couple of Torahs that have been translated into
            English and several translations of the Koran. I have also read or own sacred texts of a number of other religions. Believe it or not, they ALL say the exact same thing when you boil them down and scrap off the commentary. They ALL give only ONE command, To LOVE. There ARE no guidelines as to WHO to love, love is something that is intended for everyone and everything. Beyond that, everything else is mere commentary. the universal commandment of LOVE is the ONE thread that ties ALL of humanity together and the sooner that everyone understands and realizes that, the sooner we can ALL come together and turn this universe into a paradise. I conclusion, I am pleased to have met you, Emily. Namaste, and the brightest of blessings to you.

        • fullerhonda

          Bless your heart, Emily. You sound like a nice girl who hasn’t spent a lot of personal time reading the Bible or other Christian books. You sound like someone who’s heard a lot a stuff from other people about the Bible and all of it sounds pretty right to you. A good start to educating yourself is to read, along with the Bible, C.S. Lewis’s Mere Christianity. He was once an atheist, as a good many Christians once were. Skeptical, skeptical, skeptical. And they didn’t like Christians either. And they said to themselves they wouldn’t like to be one either. But that uh, dude, you know, who like said all those great things that like made people perk up and listen and did all the miracles? Well, he like said some things that offended people because he like asked them to do things like give up stuff and behave in a way that was totally different from how they were like behaving, which seemed all right to them and everybody else they knew, except for this Jesus guy. Well, that same guy was calling C.S. Lewis and all the other atheists (and Muslims) who converted to Christianity and they listened, and their spirits rose inside them like nothing they’d ever experienced before. That rising spirit was powerful and so satisfying that they couldn’t, wouldn’t give it up for all the wisdom and religions of the world. They wanted only the religion of God and His beloved Son, Jesus. Ask any Muslim who has converted to Christianity who has the living God, just like He says in the Bible.

          • Emily Elizabeth

            To quote your phrase of Southern condescension, bless YOUR heart. It is because of “Christians” like you, Edward Vincent, and the other vile people who leave hateful, judgmental comments to people who don’t follow your fundamental religion. You have zero authority to judge me and my faith. You do not know me. You do not know my history or my relationship with Jesus. If I was not a Christian and was put in a room with people like you, there is not way that I would choose to follow this religion. If I didn’t know better and heard people like you claim to be like Jesus, I would not want anything to do with him. So thank you for your comment, because all of the non-Christians who read see you for who you really are, and I know without a doubt that when the day comes that you meet Jesus, he will deal with you.

          • fullerhonda

            I had no idea the phrase, Bless your heart, is a Southern American phrase. A woman in a Bible study group I attended said her Grandmother used to say that to her when she was a girl. I recognized and use it for its pacifying effects on me.

            As to Jesus, I don’t think I’m like Jesus. I don’t think I’m Jesus-like at all. Jesus is my inward teacher, though. He teaches me the ways of God; he teaches me the deeper things of God.

            As far as being condescending, not at all. I recognized myself as I once was in your comment. I did mock your syntax, though, because it was incongruent with your stated professional status of teacher. You struck me as more a high school student. But my whole purpose for replying was to call you out on your lack of depth regarding Christianity and to inform you that that lack of depth is not unusual among people professing to be Christian.

            But it’s a dangerous position, because the culture has so much influence and its influence purposely spoils, perverts, and twists the truth and offers in its place a cheap and false imitation. Those who have no depth yet are vulnerable to its deception.

            Christianity is easy, on one hand, but demanding on the other. And that demand is a purposeful commitment to spending time every day with Christ within, reading the Bible–not with the purpose of understanding it, but with the purpose of allowing the Spirit to open to you its meaning–and reading other writings of Christians. I’m a Christian Quaker, so I also read every day Robert Barclay’s Apology for the True Christian Divinity and Isaac Penington’s Propositions.

          • Emily Elizabeth

            I can’t even begin to count how many times you contradicted yourself in this reply and I’m no longer going to sink to your level and give you the satisfaction of making me angry. If anything, this reply goes to show your ignorance of more than you even realize. Again, I stand by the fact that you have no authority to judge me, and it seems like you are no expert on the depth of knowledge of Christianity. The last thing I will leave you with is that I hope you are satisfied with “mocking my syntax.” glad you got one over on me. I take that to infer that the way you speak to your sisters in christ is evident of the foul way you “minister” to others. Have a nice day.

      • lorasinger

        Jeremiah is OT and has nothing to do with Christians. You are under a new covenant right? Cherry picking in other people’s books isn’t allowed.

        • railhead

          Heb. 13:8 “Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.”

          2Tim. 3:16 “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:”

          The whole Bible is written for Christians. Dispensationalism is false. In the Old Testament, Israel was God’s people, in the New Testament Christians are God’s people, and the differences between the Old and New are clearly spelled out in the New Testament.

          Should we just throw out the 10 commandments, and all the writings of the prophets? Clearly not, all scripture is profitable for us.

          • lorasinger

            The ten commandments existed in various forms in several civilizations apart from the Jews, railhead. Read Exodus 20 for the first set and then read that Moses threw them down, smashing them. God then said he would replace them and in Exodus 34, he does – with a completely different set of commandments. Which are the right ones?
            Are you aware that there are the 7 Noahide rules that apply to all gentiles, similar to the ten commandments? As far as the writings of the prophets, they were written by Jews for Jews of 2000 years ago and have nothing to do with Christians. Contrary to what you’ve been taught, there is not even one prophecy in the OT for Jesus.

    • MK

      Precisely.

    • Randy Nichols

      I don’t know how old you are but, there is going to be no balance. I am old enough that when I was in school the detail of any other religion was equal to and did not surpass the history or discussion of Christianity. I can assure you that equal weight is not given to Christianity now. You can only provide the context of how you would teach it, or how those in you district, for many decades no the school system has been the starting point of indoctrination. I graduated in 1981, and I was very involved with my children who graduated in early 2000’s. When I was in high school there would be teachers here and there especially in areas of civics or social studies that would push a liberal ideology, but when my children where in school they got it in every subject, even math problems would present scenarios that promoted liberal thought. I drop out of college after one semester, then returned in my 30’s to continue and finally get my degree, and I saw it with college professors, they young people did not know or have life experience and would take it in. I would push back because I had life experience and saw it for what it was. Children do not have the life experience to counter what they are being taught so it is up to parents to stay involved and fight the indoctrination.

  • railhead

    Where in the Bible do you ever see God’s people sending their children off to the world to be “educated”?

    Deuteronomy 6:6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
    7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.

    The only way to fully obey this commandment is to have your children with you all day long. Homeschool your children and you never have to worry about what kind of nonsense they are being taught in school by unsaved people. More importantly, you don’t have to worry about them being shot at or victimized by some pervert teacher.

    • cattnipp

      nonsense…….. now you are saying that it was the intention of God to have his followers be illiterate…… how can a person who is blind or deaf teach their child how to read??——- and it has been my personal experience that the ‘church’ harbors more perverts than the schools do——- and the bible celebrates pedophiles and incest

  • ethelthe

    Completely agree, can’t have children learning about different cultures, religions etc. What next, art classes ? Philosophy ? Science, ew, that’s just nasty.

  • lorasinger

    Wow, the audacity of the teachers to teach about the tenets of other religions while the parents of the little darling maintain that they alone have the “real truth”. That might lead to respect for other religions and we can’t have that,can we? What a pile of horse shit!

  • Sandra Paddy

    And yet you people push for the Christian god to be taught in schools … the hypocrisy is strong here.

  • Ginger Martinez

    I would lo to know how they present the other religions that thy are including. I see nothing wrong with allowing our children to understand the teachings of any religions in the context of understanding history.

  • Carole

    Islam is an evil satanic cult and I would be very angry if any of my grandchildren were being indoctrinated with this at school! We are not allowed Christianity in school so why should we tolerate this teaching/indoctrination?

  • Kimberly

    I have already left two comments of my own and replied back a few times to those comments with replies and I cant figure out which reply was to which comment so here it goes… In my opinion, other religions “faith” should not be taught to kids in school. The history of it, yeah, that’s great, but not the faith for a couple of reasons. one because that kid may not follow that faith and second because I do not think any other religion but Christianity should be taught in school. They say we have a right to practice our own religions in the united states. That’s all fine and dandy, but I do not think that should be allowed for this reason… because this country was built under God. I do not think it is right for the government to continue allowing all of these foreign people to come over to the USA and allowing them to practice their own religion. Some ppl who have seen me post this already said I am an idiot because of whatever reason they may have but I know I am not. yes this is the land of the free. Freedom comes from the word liberty. Where did liberty come from. It came from the Bible. I know when my parents where back in school, the bible was taught to them… not any other religion… Jesus was in their daily life and taught to them in their daily life. Why did they take that away from us? That is because the government wanted to have more control over all of us as citizens. I do not agree in allowing Muslims and budist, etc into this country because this isn’t their land. this land is the land of God, and if you don’t believe he is the one and true only God, then you should not be here. That is my strong opinion. If schools want to teach the faith of a religion, it should be of Christianity and only the history of other religions. I remember when I was 16 year old, my mom and I didn’t have a car. we use to walk all of our dirty clothes down to the laundry mat in our suitcase, even in the winter when there was a foot a snow on the ground. Then one day, a man stopped and asked if we needed help, like a lift to the laundry mat. We decided to take the help. Later, we found out he owned the convenient store right down the road. that is where my mom and I started buying our cigarettes and small items. One day, I walked down their by myself without my mom and this man started talking to me about teaching me how to drive and how he would take care of me. I went back home and told my mom and then the next day talk to my history teacher about it at school. he explained it to me. he was one of those muslims who came over here and brought his cultural and religion with him. which is marrying a young woman even though he is an old man and already married to someone else. It goes something like that. But yeah, that is what he tried to do with me and he tried giving me and my mom hints of that is what he wants to do with me. Should I have to experience something like that in the land that was suppose to be built under God? No I shouldn’t.

  • KL

    I believe parents have a right to know what exactly are being taught by the socialistic school system, and what their children are being exposed to. This is a fairly new phenomenon regarding islam in the last few years. I never recalled being taught about the subject during my years in school to the depth that they are now. No impressionable youth need to know the breakdown of fundamental islamic beliefs and core tenets such as their pillars. No where is any other religion being put on a pedestal such as islam, but that comes from the schools remaining as indoctrination centers and utterly dismaying concepts like common core. Teachers are told what subjects to teach by the school board and whether or not they personally agree with it, many go along with it to keep their job regardless of their conscience.

    It’s almost sad that when people are confronted with truth these days, they almost always label it as hate speech. And I would also agree that christians need to work on their approach too, because if your attempting to win a soul for the cause, then it’s in love, less pride. Proverbs 16:7