After Co-Founder of Largest ‘Gay Rights’ Group Arrested for Child Rape, Boyfriend Also Charged

LawsonPORTLAND, Ore. — A day after one of the co-founders of the nation’s largest homosexual activist organization was arrested on child sex abuse charges, his former boyfriend is also behind bars for the exact same charges.

As previously reported, Terrance Bean, 66, of Portland was taken into custody at his home on Wednesday by the Portland, Oregon Police Bureau Sex Crimes Unit following an indictment by a Lane County Grand Jury. He was booked at the Multnomah County Jail and released after posting 10 percent of his $50,000 bail.

Bean is facing two counts of third-degree sodomy, a felony, and one count of third-degree sex abuse, a misdemeanor. The charges stem from an ongoing investigation that involves an alleged sexual encounter with a 15-year-old boy. Police state that there may be additional victims involved.

On Thursday, Bean’s former love interest, 25-year old Kiah Lawson, was also taken into custody on sodomy and sexual abuse charges. The Oregonian reports that both Bean and Lawson are accused of having sex with the teen at a hotel in Eugene after meeting the boy on the Internet. Lawson is expected to be arraigned today in Lane County Court.

In June, the publication Williamette Week had reported that Bean and Lawson got into a dispute after the then 24-year-old claimed that he noticed that Bean had placed a camera above his bed to record sexual acts with men.

“Bean says that last year he fell in love with Lawson,” the report stated. “Bean paid him a $400-a-week allowance, put Lawson up in one of his homes and took him on international trips. Last fall, Bean brought Lawson to the White House and also introduced him to Obama.”

“In January, Lawson says, he discovered that Bean had a hidden camera in the smoke detector above Bean’s bed in his West Hills home,” it continued. “Lawson used this information to seek money from Bean, alleging that the camera captured videos ‘of at least a half dozen individuals in a state of nudity engaged in intimate acts with you.’ Lawson claims he is in more than one video.”

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“Records reviewed by WW show Bean recently attempted to settle the matter for $40,000 in exchange for Lawson turning over the images and refraining from disclosing Bean’s ‘alleged illicit sexual activities,’ but the deal was called off and Bean later sought to charge Lawson with theft and extortion.

Bean is credited with being a co-founder of a number of homosexual activist organizations, namely the Human Rights Campaign, the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, and the National Gay Games. The Human Rights Campaign is said to be the largest homosexual advocacy group in the nation, having over 1.5 million supporters. Bean has served on the organization’s Board of Directors for over 20 years, and is also a member of its Foundation Board and Public Policy Committee.

Bean is additionally recognized as one of the largest Democratic donors in Oregon, especially surrounding financial contributions made to Barack Obama’s election efforts, which are stated to be in excess of $1 million dollars.


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  • Neiman

    We could discuss the homosexual lifestyle and molestation of children almost endlessly, but I would only like to make these three points: (1) adult – child sex is a crime, it is more about power than sex and anyone, whether homosexual or heterosexual, exploiting and sexually abusing anyone under the age of consent should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. (2) every gay group, if they had any decency and honesty, should immediately and with great clarity publicly condemn such activity. (3) whenever anyone gets involved in immoral sexual activity, which means any sexual conduct outside of lawful marriage, it never takes long before boredom sets in and they look for new sexual stimulation in order to satisfy their lusts; and, because homosexuality is an immoral lifestyle choice, a great many of them will cross the line in their conduct in order to satisfy their need for greater stimulation and excitement with often such devastating consequences.

    Even if and when such people are prosecuted and punished, as they should, their victims are emotionally scarred and punished for a lifetime and for most of them they will not find their way to God for healing and will suffer spiritual separation from God for ever. Only God can punish these people justly, as their crimes do not amount to simple sexual misconduct, but can totally destroy the lives and everlasting spiritual fate of their victims.

    • BeWhoYouAre

      “whenever anyone gets involved in immoral sexual activity, which means any sexual conduct outside of lawful marriage, it never takes long before boredom sets in and they look for new sexual stimulation in order to satisfy their lusts; and, because homosexuality is an immoral lifestyle choice, a great many of them will cross the line in their conduct in order to satisfy their need for greater stimulation and excitement with often such devastating consequences.”

      I have never heard a bigger load of nonsense in my life. Do you have proof of this – actual scientific sources please, not alarmist fundamentalist publications.

      • Neiman

        I am not asking you to believe me, I am not responsible for your reactions. You are filled with hate and lies and cannot be reasoned with.

        • BeWhoYouAre

          You are flat-out lying on a public forum. The people here have a right to know that. Back up your lies, or come clean that you pulled that information from your butt. Simple.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            For one thing, you’re saying that “lawful marriage” is the key to not being bored yet you won’t allow gay people to get married. For another you’re invoking the “slippery slope” argument that “bored” gay people are going to turn to more perverse things, which is the product of your fevered brain and nothing more.

          • Neiman

            That is not what I said – maybe you need remedial reading courses.

            Knowing your limitations I will try and keep it at your mental level: “Well little Johnny, God says any sex outside of marriage is a sin.” “That I am sorry I used a big word, one too hard for you – “immoral,” it means a sin, okay?”

            Again, “Little Johnny, you need help reading, please ask your mommy or daddy for help, okay?” “Now pay attention Johnny, I said, whenever anyone gets involved in immoral sexual activity,, did you get that little Johny, that big word “anyone” may include gay people, but it means much, much more, okay?”

            “Now little Johnny, get some rest and when the big bright light comes up in the morning, a thing we call the Sun, ask Mommy and Daddy to get you glasses and help reading, okay?”

          • BeWhoYouAre

            And what does “immoral” mean to you, Mr. Fundie Bigot? Does it mean types of relationships that Pat Robertson says are not OK? Who gets to define “immoral” here – is it YOU, Mr Fundie, who cannot conceive of the idea that there are people in this world born attracted to the same sex whether they like it it not? Do you see now why people might consider you a bit of a moral nazi and not worth serious consideration in anything you say?

          • Demmi Greene

            You ‘foaming at the mouth’ now just proves he’s right.

            Why defend child molesters?

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Not defending anybody, just confronting a few things he said which are lies.

          • Demmi Greene

            You haven’t renounced them either,.. whats that all about? Hmmm?

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Is there any need to? It’s not even being addressed, but if you want it to, yes, pedophilia is an illness and it should be clamped down on. But it is unrelated in every aspect to homosexuality, and anyone who tries to link the two is being deceptive.

          • Demmi Greene

            ”pedophilia is an illness and it should be clamped down on.”

            REALLY? . . . .jail, …therapy…. or both?

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Obviously anything that takes dangerous people away from innocent children.

          • Demmi Greene

            ”Obviously anything that takes dangerous people away from innocent children.”

            a sexual encounter with a 15-year-old boy’s an innocent child,..so where does a ‘gay man’ draw the line sexually…or morally, since he has none???.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            If the man in question had sex with a 15 year old boy then he is a pedophile, I’m not going to argue that. But most gay men are not interested in 15 year old boys, they are interested in other consenting adults.

          • Phipps Mike

            “If the man in question had sex with a 15 year old boy then he is a pedophile,”
            actually that would be a “hebephile” a PEDOphile is attracted to PRE-pubescent childfen because of their complete innocence.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Pedophilia is an illness? really. I will take a page from your play book. Lets see the scientific proof of this. Now who is the liar. You speak of that which you have no knowledge. I told you that I got it from a homosexual that men go after younger and younger boys. Just heterosexuals go after younger and younger girls. It is not a disease of the body or the mind, it is a hatred of innocence and Truth. The only reason you come here is to trash Jesus and His Father and the Holy Spirit. You could care less about fundementalism except it convicts you of your sin. You are as Jesus said of the Pharisees, a viper, a snake. You prey on people with a high an mighty attitude demanding of them perfection which you yourself can never supply. But if you think you can then again I say I want documented proof that pedophilia is a disease. I want it here for all to see otherwise you are the very liar you claim others are. That being said, I pray for your soul. I pray your eyes are opened while there is still time because it is growing very short very fast. I pray you lose the hate for Jesus and His Truth, His righteousness and turn to him while you still have time. Rather than coming here trying to stir up trouble, why don’t take the time to search your own heart and see if what you say and do is making you a hypcrite. You might be surprised at what you find. But, even then you are not fully lost, you can still turn to Jesus, call to him, ask him to forgive because He already has and He will show you a liberty you never thought was possible. Hell is very real. The lake of fire is for all eternity. I would not wish that on anyone not even you. Seek ye the God of Israel now while He can still be found.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Whether or not pedophilia is an illness, it’s a crime because we have age of consent laws. Sex with anyone under that age is considered rape. Homosexuality is not a crime because it is a sexual union between two consenting adults. Your statement that homosexual men go after younger and younger boys is ridiculous because you’re basically stating that a homosexual always goes from partner to partner, which is absurd, there are tons of gay couples in monogamous long lasting relationships. I despise fundamentalism because it is self-righteous, it demands that everyone bow to it, it judges, it is harsh, it is cruel, and it misinterprets the Bible. Pray for yourself, you need it far more than I do. And keep your self-righteous pronouncements of judgement to yourself, or better yet, to God.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            As I suspected, you are now back tracking. First pedophilia is a disease now it is just illegal. Homosexuality also known as sodomy was also at one time illegal and still may be on the books in some states and nations around the world. The fact that it is now becoming common place even though it was illegal shows us that laws can change even those involving sexual activity with children. You know that is right even if you will never admit it. So sodomy was a crime and now it is not, pedophilia is a crime and may soon be not if the homosexuals get their way and they are working hard at in the school system with sex education classes as early as grade school before kids even hit puberty. As far as fundamentalism goes no one is demanding you bow to it not even Jesus. He is offering you a choice to live or to die. If you choose death they that is what you will get for your sins. Jesus paid the penalty and is offering you life if you want it. Yes judgment is harsh but the crime against God which is sin is even harsher. These are not my self-righteous judgments, they are what God has said. If you don’t believe me look it up in the Bible. The wages of sin are death. I am not making the pronouncements and all your attempts to lay the blame on me are useless. I am only relaying what God Himself said and that is that when a man lay with a man as with a woman it is an abomination. That is a pretty serious sin in God’s eyes but then all sin is serious to God and why He who is Holy will judge. You can try all day laying the blame on those you consider fundamentalist and claim they misinterpret the Bible but the Bible is very clear on the matter of homosexuality and sins against children. As I said earlier out of the mouth of a self proclaimed and practicing homosexual, 95% of homosexual men desire to go after young boys and the younger the better. Whether you like to hear that or not it is his words and coming from one with experience I will accept what he says before I can ever accept what you say. You call people a liar, demand proof while making false statements of your own and failing to also provide truth. So you are one step lower than those you attack, you are a liar and a hypocrite expecting of others that which you cannot also provide. Why would anyone listen to any thing you say. You have not clue to what you are talking about. You make demands to which first you have no right to make, You hype what is said in a forum some kind of holy grail when it is merely the exercise of the first amendment to which you are participating in but wanting to restrict others from doing because they say things you don’t like to hear and they contradict your self-righteous attitude as the omniscient defender of the down trodden when in fact you are the actually an attacker of those who have the freedom to speak their mind here. Your best bet is to pack your bags and go find a homosexual forum to lay your rants down on because I doubt anyone here cares what you think. You are a hypocrite of the highest order. You claim you are not a homosexual but actions speak louder than words, your defense of them and their actions say that you are. So if you have even an ounce of logic ask yourself if what you are saying really makes enough sense to convince anyone else to change their minds about what they think. If you cannot answer that truthfully yes then you are just spinning your wheels and making a fool of yourself here. Now before you go and try to think up some snappy reply, know this. I have been down this road many times with many just like yourself. I can do this all day and all night if I choose to. Are you willing to be lambasted for every comment you make? If so then knock yourself out. Every time you open your mouth I will put your foot in it for you. And finally talk all you want about how you don’t want my prayers for you. Go right ahead but, do you think that will stop me? I have bad news for you it will not. Shoot you are some where in cyber space and could not touch me to do harm. I will even pray for those in my presence when I know they are headed to eternal damnation. Scripture is clear on that, God does not want that any should perish and that is why He sent His son to die on the Cross so that all could have eternal life. So demand me not to pray for you all you want, I will do as scripture tells me to and that is to pray for those who would attack me, those would persecute me, those would kill the body but can never kill the soul.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            I’m not backtracking, I believe it is an illness, but IF you disagree that it is, it doesn’t matter because it’s illegal because it is not consensual. No homosexuals are trying to get pedophilia legalized, that is stupid, harmful and has no basis in fact. Homosexuality has NOTHING to do with pedophilia, and you should be ashamed of yourself for trying to equate them. And I don’t think you should put words in Jesus’ mouth, who never said a single solitary word about homosexuality.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Ok I gave you your chance. You believe it is an illness but you didn’t say that the first time. In your reply to Demmi Greene, you said and I quote, “It’s not even being addressed, but if you want it to, yes, pedophilia is an illness.” That is a statement. Now you say and I quote again, “I’m not backtracking, I believe it is an illness.” Well that is backtracking. Now why would I accept your claim, “No homosexuals are trying to get pedophilia legalized.” Should I accept it because you believe it is stupid. Or should I take the word of a homosexual who emphatically states that is the case and it is backed up by homosexuality being taught to pre-pubescent children in sex ed classes at the elementary school level. I will not over load here with a lot of links but here is just one that clearly states teaching sex ed to children as young as five. http://www.massresistance.org/docs/gen/11a/herald_sex-ed_032411.html and this one, http://www.christianpost.com/news/sex-education-in-schools-should-include-a-gay-agenda-report-claims-66976/

            Now as Dr. Reisman points out here they are sneaking in homosexuality through the diversity concept to do what? RECRUIT YOUNG BOYS. “Dr. Judith Reisman, expert witness before the attorney general’s commission on pornography and veteran researcher has found contrary to the popular view that there is little crossover between homosexuality and pedophilia, she says homosexuals are anxious to recruit young boys–a practice that is becoming easier than to sex education and “diversity programs” in schools that teach children to consider homosexuality as both acceptable and normal.”

            So now do you wish to still lay claim that homosexuality has nothing to do with pedophilia or are you going to actually open your eyes.

            Finally and this is the part I really love, you think I am putting words in Jesus’ mouth. Really? Before I go on I have one question, have you ever actually read the Bible or are you just regurgitating stupid leftist propaganda because you are too lazy to do your own research?

            “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.” John 1:1-3 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us. Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father? Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.Believe me that I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the very works’ sake.” John 14:6-11

            INow the words from God as given in Leviticus about homosexuality. “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” Leviticus 20:13

            So in the first verse given we have the WORD or Logo which has been understood to be Jesus. Jesus is the Word of God and is God as stated there and in John 1:14 “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”

            So where God speaks also speaks Jesus and where Jesus speaks he speaks what His Father tells him. So in Leviticus where God is damning homosexuality as an abomination, Jesus is still with God and had not become flesh as shown in John1:14. So if God says it then Jesus too is saying it and I am not putting words in Jesus mouth. Further more Jesus was clear to explain that He came to fulfill the law not do away with iit and the scripture in Leviticus was a part of the law. That means homosexuality was an abomination to God in that day and since the law is not gone but still used today to convict of sin then homosexuality is a sin and Jesus also finds it an abomination because He is in the Father and the Father is in him and they are the same.

            So no that I have shown that you have no knowledge of scripture and what Jesus said or did not say are you still wanting to go on with this or tuck your tail between your legs and leave? Face it you are on very shaky ground with all that you have said here. You can’t keep your stories straight, you don’t research your tooughts, and you have no clue what scripture says even when you try to use it to justify the clap trap you are spewing here. In short you lose. If you want more come back with another asinine reply and I will rip it to shreds as well.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            I said it was an illness from the beginning. But the point was if you don’t want to agree, it doesn’t matter because it’s illegal either way. I don’t know what you’re harping about anyway because I’m not DEFENDING pedophilia. I’m just saying it has nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuality.

            To say homosexuality and pedophilia are related flies in the face of all science, so whatever “homosexual” you claim told you this is clearly lying. Homosexuals do not “recruit” – that’s ridiculous as well because you cannot “recruit” someone to be homosexual. Either you are one or you aren’t, but you cannot change your sexuality any more than you can change your eye colour. This isn’t opinion, these are medical facts.

            And all the Bible quotes you gave me were not the words of Jesus Christ admonishing homosexuality. You cannot twist scripture to believe what YOU believe, it doesn’t work that way. Hatred of homosexuals is un-Christian and deeply disgusting.

          • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

            Saw you were here.

            Are you saying there is no such thing as homosexual pedophilia?

            They are co-morbid.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Ok show me the science that proves that homosexuality and pedophilia are not related. I have shown that it is and that is out of the mouths of homosexuals. Now also show me the proof that homosexuality is a not a choice. It is a behavior just as pedophilia is and everyone human who has ever lived has had a choice of how they behave. Also show me the medical facts that homosexuality is not a choice. You keep making blanket statement and provide nothing to back them up.

            As I suspected you have never studied scripture much less read a Bible. You would not know twisting if it bit you where you live. I don’t twist scripture to fit what I believe. I believe what scripture says from studying it in depth. Well I will concede one point, hatred of people who participate in homosexual activing is un-Christian but then so is hatred of people who participate in other sinful behavior such as lying, murder, and theft. And yes it is disgusting but it has been here as since Cain slayed Abel and will be here till Jesus returns to set up His Kingdom on earth. Better get used.

            Lastly hatred of Christians is also un-Christian and deeply disgusting. So if you are trying to imply that because you think pedophilia is wrong but homosexuality is right that you are a better Christian then you have just laid claim to being a deeply disgusting hater.

          • MandaLynne

            You obviously have never heard of the group NAMBLA.

            “The North American Man/Boy Love Association (NAMBLA) is a pedophile and pederasty advocacy organization in the United States. It works to abolish age of consent laws criminalizing adult sexual involvement with minors,and campaigns for the release of all men who have been jailed for sexual contacts with minors that did not involve coercion.”

          • BeWhoYouAre

            I’ve heard of NAMBLA, so what? They are not a homosexual group, they are a pedophile group.

          • Phipps Mike

            ” They are not a homosexual group, they are a pedophile group.”

            BINGO! Le Cajun de Wimp cant get that through his head, either.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Cajun Bigot is addicted to hate. Worst case of it I’ve seen in fact since Fred Phelps.

          • Phipps Mike

            If he didnt live in Utah, I would FULLY believe that he was Freds brother.

          • MandaLynne

            Man-boy love is not homosexual? You are ignorant.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Homosexuality is most often not “man-boy love”. YOU are ignorant.

          • MandaLynne

            I never said it was. However, NAMBLA does advocate man-boy homosexual relationships. You need to improve your reading comprehension.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            So what’s your point? No one’s defending NAMBLA or pedophilia here. Just saying don’t confuse it with homosexuality.

          • Demmi Greene

            SUPERB post.

            ABSOLUTELY masterful.

          • Phipps Mike

            more like uninformed and STUPID. That doctor he quoted is a QUACK.

          • Phipps Mike

            “”Dr. Judith Reisman, expert witness before the attorney general’s commission on pornography and veteran researcher has found contrary to the popular view that there is little crossover between homosexuality and pedophilia”

            why don’t you just QUIT? I can prove that lady and you both WRONG with actual stats and expert opinions from OTHER doctors. My wife is the founder of YVI (youth Voice Initiative) a non profit 501c4 organization that stiffens laws and expands sentences on sex offenders. https://www.facebook.com/pages/Youth-Voice-Initiative/128824388322 Now you can either shut up with your ignorance or I will bring her in here to literally BURY you with that proof that there is NO correlation between the two.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Well just like your boyfriend you make the claim you can bring a wall of stats but I have not seen one thing yet. You cannot literally bury me with your stats. That would require that you show up my door with a mountain of useless paper and ink. Now you can try to figuratively bury me but as of yet I have not see a thing out of you but boisterous anger. I suspect because you have not met a Christian solder who fears no man and will stand toe to toe and defend his faith in Christ Jesus. I am in for the long haul are you? Probably not. You will not ever get me to concede that sin in any form is acceptable because it is not.

          • Phipps Mike

            hang on to your horses dork, I already said my WIFE s going to come in here and bury you.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Oh yeah you call me a whale penis and you are such a wimp you have to let your wife fight your battle for you. Where I come from that is what we call a coward.

          • Phipps Mike

            see above,m I gave you my address, YOU are the wimp. If you lived close enough,m I would come to YOUR house and hash it out. Don’t call me a wimp when you would be the one to end up in the hospital.

          • Phipps Mike

            no mention of whales from me. I said “hold your HORSES” meaning…. slow your roll. I should have used a comma after that. Dork is a PERSON who is stupid, NOT a sexual organ.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            A dork is a whale penis and that is why it is used as a derogatory remark against someone. You ain’t so smart as you think you are. Like I keep saying you are a special kind of stupid.

          • Phipps Mike

            “I suspect because you have not met a Christian solder who fears no man and will stand toe to toe and defend his faith in Christ Jesus.”

            3818 Lindermann Ave, Racine , WI 53405….come stand up to me IN PERSON, wimp.

            http://christiannews.net/2014/06/23/is-the-gay-gene-a-myth-scientists-say-homosexuality-impossible-to-determine-by-dna/

            Don’t let the name of the article fool you, this is an
            excerpt FROM that same article:

            “Though the scientists
            maintained that genetics do at least partly influence sexual orientation, these
            recent findings undermine the belief that homosexuality is predetermined.
            Environmental factors, such as the absence of a father or an unhealthy domestic
            upbringing, might play significant roles.”

            Notice: ….”at least PARTLY influence sexual
            orientation. Then it also says” unhealthy domestic upbringing, MIGHT play
            significant roles.”

            So to conclude, it is saying
            that genetics DO and that upbringing, MIGHT. “Do” means it is SO. “might” means
            it is questionable.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            You are really a special kind of stupid aren’t you. You actually give your address out publically. You are not stupid so much as you are just a fool. But I will save that address on the off chance I find myself in your neighborhood. But no I will not make a special trip from Utah just to embarrass you.

            I will say this you are insane. That explains all this trash talking you are doing. Just hope you are alive long enough for me to let you take your best shot.

          • Phipps Mike

            sure I give out my address, we are a corp….YVI is incorporated. We are not to keep our address private so long as we are incorporated. Add to that the fact that I fear NOBODY, I will fight physically for my cause and that includes EQUAL RIGHTS across the board. You can call that insane, I call it passionate and really BELIEVING what I stand up for, I am ex-army FYI and the Army doesnt produce any sissies.
            Utah, the home of MORMONS (special underwear). I highly doubt a fundie is going to embarrass me.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Army eh, that explains a lot. So now because I say I am in Utah you automatically assume I am a Mormon. You are really a special kind of idiot.

            Back to that army thing, now I guess you are going to tell me you were in the Rangers or Green Beret. Yeah in your dreams.

            I don’t understand why you are making such a big deal out of your service. I served too. So what. I can guarantee you my training was a lot more extensive than yours i.e. boot camp and subsequent training unless of course you try to claim you were a Ranger or Green Beret which I doubt. You don’t have the mentality for it.

          • Phipps Mike

            I didnt say anything about YOU being a Mormon. No, I was a combat engineer, not special forces, You have to max the PT tests to even train for that. You dont have to be special forces to learn to NOT FEAR. Our troops would be very ineffective if they did go in with fear. (there would be SOME fear such as snipers and landmines lessening your chances of survival,) but you have to muster up the courage to fight to the death what you believe in.
            I had extended basic as well:AIT (advanced individual training) that taught me how to build bridges, destroy them and demolitions training. You talk about MY mentality yet you claim to have been in the Army yourself. One of the FIRST things you learn is to ACCEPT ALL PEOPLE because when you are in that foxhole, it doesn’t MATTER what color you are or what sexual orientation, you are SUPPORT for your squad/platoon. Your bigotry overtakes your military training, obviously. I am one of the most accomodating people you will ever meet UNLESS you are against equal rights or are a bigot.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            I never said I was in the Army, I said I served but did not say which branch. See there you go making assumptions and you know what that means. As for the military accepting all people wrong answer, the military no longer accepts all. When I went in you could have a couple of felonies and get in. Now it takes and act of Congress to get in with a misdemenor. It is only recent years with the in-your-face radicalism of homosexuality that it has been changed from no homosexuals allowed to don’t ask-don’t tell to now. It has been forced changed because in part the Army is leading the way in the homosexual revolution and also leading the way in its own self destruction.

            I worked with gays in the military, they were not radical about it. They did not get all in your face pushy about it. They were great military people that I admired but not for their homosexuality. In discussions with them I explained my position and they explained theirs and we agreed to disagree on points and work together and they did and I did and we accomplished very much. So if you really think I hate homosexuals you are wrong. That is a title for the behavior. I hate the behavior because it is a sin just as I hate murder and even pedophilia because the are sins.

          • Phipps Mike

            I didnt say the military was accepting all people. I said that when you are in a foxhole, it doesnt matter who you are. You are providing support. I dont think your gay military friends would have appreciated you saying that they were all pedophiles. I encourage you to do research on WHO Judith Reisman IS. Shes a quack…FOR REAL. The bottom line is that Pedophiles don’t want sex with adults…homosexuals DO. That’s enough for anybody to know that the stereotype is a farce.

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          • Phipps Mike

            ” The fact that it is now becoming common place even though it was illegal shows us that laws can change even those involving sexual activity with children. ”
            really? are you only 16 years old? you aren’t very smart!
            Practically every parent in America would STOP that from happening. I have already proclaimed “be who you are” as the winner in the debate between you two based simply off of your ignorance.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Oh yeah I am sixteen and add about another 42 years to that and you will be close to being right at least once in your life.

            It doesn’t make one bit of difference to me or anyone else what proclamations you wish to make. I am not here for a debate and I am not debating anyone, not you, not your boyfriend. The only thing you and your boyfriend have one is a one way ticket to the lake of fire. But you can give it up and turn to Jesus but that is up to you. I can’t make you. You have to decide to do it. As far as winning anything, I won redemption while you were still in diapers. That is all I need to win nothing more. But then you hate that because you don’t have it but, you can. It is simple just repent while there is still time. Your call loud mouth whatcha gonna do? You gonna make a bunch more idle threats or put your money where you r mouth is? If I were a betting man I would lay money on the latter as it is a sure thing.

          • Phipps Mike

            you won redemption at 7 years old? I am 51, clown. Myself and my wife know WAYYYYYYYYY more than you about sexual abuse and the stats and the correlations of sexual deviance. So if you have some ADULT patience, she can come in and school you proper. I can do it to but she has been ITCHING to stop the ignorance of so called pious Christians about homosexual facts.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            I never said I knew salvation at 7, But if that is how you twist your stats I am sure you have proven to yourself you are a legend in your own mind. If you know more way about sexual abuse I am having to guess you are a particpant and learned from experience and probably as the perpetrator.So when is your big bad tough wife gonna show up after she has finished abusing some child? More than likely. I see you are getting very frustrated. Since you can’t figure it out, I will tell you flat out, nothing you say is going to faze me or change my mind on the simple fact that God calls homosexuality a sin. No where does He say it is genetic but calls it a behavior as all sins are. So who do you think I am going to trust, you the wimp coward or your butch wife who does your fighting for you or God. I will let you figure out which one on your own if you can. If not ask your wife to explain it to you.

          • Phipps Mike

            ” If you know more way about sexual abuse I am having to guess you are a particpant and learned from experience and probably as the perpetrator.”

            that’s a REAL Christian like statement and one that I would put you in the hospital for if you said it to my face: (3818 Lindermann Ave, Racine, WI 53405). I already told you ignorant one that my wife OWNS a org that stiffens laws on sex offenders. It makes it MY BUSINESS to know MORE THAN YOU about it. So mr. wimp. come say it to my face. I bet i will hear the crickets chirping first.

          • Demmi Greene

            ”I have already proclaimed “be who you are” as the winner in the debate between you two”

            And I have already proclaimed Le Cajun du foux ”ate ‘bwya’s’ lunch” and sent him running home to his mother. You are just so silly

          • Phipps Mike

            at least YOU arent stupid enough to challenge me about sexual stats and correlations. Le Cajun dork doesn’t know what he is in for.

          • Demmi Greene

            YOU and your. silly spouting. Must be HIV dementia, or something.

          • Phipps Mike

            “Just heterosexuals go after younger and younger girls. It is not a disease of the body or the mind, it is a hatred of innocence and Truth. ”
            go educate yourself! your statement just gave permision to all sex offenders that their offenses is what most people WANT. Geesh, STOP when you don’t know what you are talking about. Sex offenses are about POWER AND CONTROL….NOT sex!

          • Le Cajun du foux

            I don’t see a problem with my statement. It is true. Heterosexual males rape little girls, Homosexual males rape little boys, and of course Bisexuals rape both when they take it to that level. I don’t giver permission to anyone to commit a crime or a sin. I try to disuade them from it by pointing out the consequences but I am not in control of them and what they do. There is nothing false in my statement. As for who knows what they are talking about, you who are obviously not a Christian are trying to tell me what the Bible says and obviously not an educated person does not know the history of religious persecution. It is you who is about power and control otherwise you would not be here spewing that filth you do out of your mouth. When you want to see the real hater, look in the mirror.

          • Phipps Mike

            “I don’t see a problem with my statement.”

            you started out by saying ALL homosexuals want to become child molesters, then come back and say that about heteros (.Just heterosexuals go after younger and younger girls). In that context, it looks like you are saying that ALL heteros WISH to have younger and younger females (aka molest them).

          • Phipps Mike

            “But it is unrelated in every aspect to homosexuality,”
            bingo!!!!!! the ONLY other smart person in this room.
            Pedophilia is the attraction to PREPUBESCENT kids. NOT adults.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            This place is full of really really DUMB Christians, wow. Wish some of the smart Christians were here, you know, the ones who actually LISTEN to Jesus when he says not to judge.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            So you are gay and angry, we get iit. The man said in reply to you he is not asking you to believe him. But you are demanding proof as if you want to believe him but cannot. Sounds like you have some very deep seated guilt issues with your homosexuality. As for his lying or not, there is no law against lying on a forum. People do it all the time, even you. So why are you getting your knickers in a twist? As for homosexuality leading to more perverse activity, here are the words from a self proclaimed homosexual that I used to work with……Men want to push the allowance of homosexual activity further and further down the age limit because they want younger and younger boys. It is also at the times when they are most vulnerable and most likely to be tricked into believing they are homosexuals.” Those are his words and he was an out of the closet homosexual If anyone should know, as they say itakes one to know one. But seriously, as it was pointed out you keep foaming at the mouth like that the ASPCA is going to come after you and have you put down for having rabbies. Better chill.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Not gay and only angry with fundamentalist stupidity and lies. Men attracted to men don’t slide down some perverted age scale selecting younger men until they are choosing boys, and if you believe that, you’re as off the wall as he is. You’re of course welcome to provide proof. Which you can’t.

          • DD

            If you’re so angry with fundamentalist stupidity and lies then why do you return again and again to this Christian site and get involved in these forum discussions? That makes absolutely no sense. The majority of Christians posting here are not going to have some humanist epiphany and jump the fence over to your side. We believe that God’s Word is the absolute truth and His Word matters…your vitriolic opinions do not.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            “If you’re so angry with fundamentalist stupidity and lies then why do
            you return again and again to this Christian site and get involved in
            these forum discussions?”

            Because it is a MYTH that all Christians hate gay people. Gay Christians are welcome at the church I attend. No one tries to convert them, no one shouts names at them, no one tells them they are going to hell. They are welcomed just as Jesus would welcome them.

          • DD

            Of course it’s a myth. No Christ centered church or its born again Christian congregants would turn away gays, liars, thieves, drug addicts or any other sinner seeking God. We’re ALL sinners, but we turn from sin when we become born again. That doesn’t mean that we won’t sin, but we are to repent and ask for forgiveness. God doesn’t give anyone a free pass to continue in their sin without facing consequences and homosexuality is a sin.
            Lev. 18:22, “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination.”
            Lev. 20:13, “If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them.”
            1 Cor. 6:9-10, “Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”
            Rom. 1:26-28, “For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. 28 And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper.”

            If your church isn’t teaching Biblical truth in the pulpit then it is apostate and leading its congregants into hell.
            1 Timothy 4 (NIV)
            4 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron.

            Christians telling the truth as it is stated in God’s Word is love not hate. And the truth is that gays calling themselves Christian but still living in their sexual sin are deceiving themselves. If an alcoholic ‘Christian’ continues to drink or a ‘Christian’ married man or woman are committing adultery they are deceiving themselves also. Supporting people in their sin is harmful and will condemn all who are involved. Jesus told the adulterous woman to “Go and sin no more.” That wasn’t just a casual comment.
            Think about it.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Gay Christians is an oxymoron. Just because someone goes to a church no more makes them a Christian than laying on the floor of a garage makes them a car. Church pews are filled with the damned just as Jesus spoke of the Pharisees the priest of His day.

            What you fail to understand is that no Christian is perfect. Not one, Not Paul, not Peter, not one. But what they are is forgiven bu that only comes from one source. Look it up if you dare.

          • Phipps Mike

            “Gay Christians is an oxymoron”
            thats the DUMBEST statement to ever come out of a Christians mouth. Even if a Gay person stops having gay sex…he is STILL gay and CAN be a Christian. Gay means the ATTRACTION…NOT the ACT. Grow a brain.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Gay is an emotion of happiness. The twisting of the word’s definition is a typical left wingnut bit of trickery. If a homosexual becomes a Christian and they repent of their sin of Sodomy it means they stop doing it and reject it and rely on the Grace of God through Jesus Christ to be healed of their desires. If you knew the minimum of what being a Christian is all about and not the liberal idiotic talking points. Why don’t you actually start thinking for yourself. On second thought that might open your eyes to Truth not the fantasy world you live in.

          • Phipps Mike

            prove that it was left wing that added that to the definition. You also would be good to know that I am a Baptist Christian, A REAL Christian, not an oppressing hate teaching one. I know full well what the Bible says and went to Church for SEVERAL years. I DO think for myself and that’s why I know the KJV is a FARCE.

          • Demmi Greene

            a Baptist Christian???????

          • Phipps Mike

            thats what I said,

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Whoopy do. The fact that you claim a denomination means you are a part of a clique group just like the Catholics. Am I supposed to be impressed. I am not. Humans do not impress me. If you know full well what the Bible says then why are you claiming God does not hate homosexuality. God hates all sin. It is the sinner he does not hate but loves so much he gave his only begotten Son that who ever believeth on him shall have everlasting life.

            Ok so before Gay became associated with homosexuality it meant a happy emotion. It was a gay who coined the word to mean homosexual trying desperately to make homosexuality more tasteful to the masses. Homosexual are about 98-99% hard core liberals. See aren’t stats fun you can make them say what ever you want.

            Finally being a Baptist as in being a Catholic does not make you a Christian. There are Christians in the Catholic church just as there are non-Christians going to Baptist churches. So what is your point about even saying it. The truth is your history of hate spewing, baiting comments makes that statement both more suspect and more likely a lie unless of course you go to church or as you say did for several years but that implies you no longer do. If the latter is the case then you are a back slider and that explains why you are all warm and fuzzy for the sin of homosexuality. Maybe latent desires rising to the surface. As one poster put it you are being given over to your base desires of sin.

            where is that mountain of trash you threaten……oops promised me. still have not seen a thing yet. Still believing that is just another lie.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            So now the Catholics are a clique group? A cult? Gee. I guess I’m wrong then, I thought they were the largest Christian body, and the oldest, with over a billion members worldwide. But then, I got my info from an actual history text and not a Jack Chick comic book.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Yeah they are a cult and have been for a very long time. I don’t know what history book you get your info from but the Catlicks are not the oldest Christian body. Remember all those letter Paul wrote to the churches he started in Asia Minor. Those are the oldest Christian bodies. Just because the Catlicks recruit like homosexuals, a large following does not make them Christian. If they were so Christian then why was there a major break by Martin Luther and the entire reformation thing. Why is you wimpy buddy a Baptist and not a Catlick? Just so you know I don’t read comic books like you do and you do because you even know the title or is it author’s name. So if you think the Bible especially the KJV is a twisted version of Scripture what do you think the history books are that you claim to read? If you don’t know it history is always written by the victor to put them in a good light.

            I was just sitting here thinking I should be really overjoyed that Satan think me such a threat he has to use two of you to tag team me. I guess I put a little fear in you Daddy. I would believe that but it is not me that puts fear in your Daddy, it is Jesus.I am just a lowly soldier in the fight for Truth, not worldly truth of manipulated stats but Godly Truth.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            For one thing, a cult has to be small, it has to be new, it has to be run by a charismatic figure, and it has to practice things like separating family members from one another. Since Catholicism is none of those things, let’s just call your statement HATE like practically everything else you say.

            Catholics RECRUIT too? That’s rich. That must be why I see them knocking on doors proselytizing, and street corner preaching, right? But fundies NEVER do those things, oh no sir.

            You tried to pull the Satan BS earlier and I shut you down for it, I think I’m just going to ignore it this time. Not playing your game, find someone else. I do wonder, though, how many times a day you accuse someone of being in cahoots with Satan merely because they told you you were out of your mind.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            First of all don’t cherry pick just those parts of definitions that support your case. If there is more then realize you are not on the right track. You missed this part of the definition, ” a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents” and “a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents” Catlicks are not considered orthodox first of all and seconly they are a system of beliefs and rituals, lots and lots of unBiblical rituals. So since you said small define it. Is it 10, 100, 1,000, 10,000, a 100,00 or a milllion. Compared to Islam Catlicks are a small group. According to Islam Catlicks are a cult. So throwing out a bunch of subjective clap trap when you can find facts is not helping your case at all. Me thinks you buddy was just sucking up to you when he declared you a winner. To me you are a lost soul and desperate need of salvation.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            My God, just look at what fundamentalism has done to you. You are completely incapable of reading a simple history book to know that Catholics were here about 2000 years before your cult was. I don’t think there’s even a doctor that can help you now. You’re being eaten up by hatred and negativity and this somehow is “Christianity” to you.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            You do not know history. The Roman Catholic church came out of an evolution after the Emperor Constantine proclaimed the Milan Edict of 313 AD. It was not even then the Roman Catholic church. That came later when the Bishop of Rome claimed succession of the Apostle Peter. The early church founded by Peter in Jerusalem and Paul across Asia Minor was a collection of disassociated churches. Peter and Paul were the orignal fundamentalist of Christianity having lived with and learned directly from Jesus. You can’t get any more fundamental than the man who taught the original precepts.

            Even after the slow development of what is now called the Roman Catholic church most of its rituals and dogma actually come from pagan religions when the church was attempting to unify people for political reason and adopting days of observance and giving them Christian names such as Christmas. Sorry Jesus was not born on December 25th. Most historians believe he was born in the spring not the winter. The time of his death actually came after the fall feast of Passover yet Easter is celebrated on the pagan spring festival time complete with bunnys and eggs all parts of their fertility rituals. Even Christmas symbolism is ripe with pagan origins. So in calling the Catholic church a cult is dead on. It is filled with false teachings raising Mary to the level of idol worship, rituals based in pagan rites and politically based teachings for the purpose of assisting he Roman Empire to consolidate its territories spiritually as well as politically and militarily. That you bumbling fool is the real history of the Roman church, the longest running cult i history claiming to be Christian. What being a fundamental does is make you question all claims of churches to be a denomination of Christianity and test them against Scripture. If you or people from such churches are offended by that then that is your problem. What you are calling hatred and negativity is the very words of Jesus during His first advent or from His father through the prophets before He came. If you can’t handle that simple Truth the problem lies in you. not in people who disagree with you. You really need to get a clue that you are only a legend in your own mind. Yes Jesus does love you but that does not prevent me from seeing you as a blithering idiot when you spout driibble that you don’t even take the time to research. All you lazy butt can do is run down the list of stupid liberal talking points even though you don’t even understand them or why they are being used. You are not smart enough to even be considered a thoughtful thinker. You are just a play back machine for the liberal attempts to remove Jesus from the public arena. That is done by first justifying sin and something else inherent in human nature and therefore cannot be held accountable for the consequences that come when it is practiced. In short you are the walking dead just as Adam was when he spiritually died at the fall of man.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Do you know what “revisionist history” is? It’s what you get when fundamentalist Christians like yourself don’t like what they read in responsible and revered history texts and so they decide to write their own. The problem is it becomes evident very quickly that there’s the real version and the fundie version. Everyone laughs heartily at the blatant stupidity of the fundie version. You apparently didn’t possess the common sense to laugh and you actually embraced it instead. And you’re in good company, because people like Jack Chick turned it into little comic book sized tracts (which are actually ILLEGAL in Canada due to the fact that they are considered hate speech).

            I’ll just let that sink in.

          • Phipps Mike

            Hey DUMB A! Catholics are the ORIGINAL Christians. Protestant Christians still believe what Catholics do except that suicide is NOT a sin that is unforgivable, that Mother Mary shouldnt be more worshipped than Jesus and that the “thought” is not a sin in itself. You need to brush up before you go saying who is Christian or not.

          • Phipps Mike

            “Finally being a Baptist as in being a Catholic does not make you a Christian. There are Christians in the Catholic church just as there are non-Christians going to Baptist churches.”
            Congratulations! I am awarding you the RETARD OF THE MILLENNIUM. Catholics AND Baptists are BOTH Christian denomination you fool! Where were you hatched at? you are TOO STUPID to be human with that bird brain of yours.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Gay Christians are human beings with every bit as much right to God as you do. Suck it up, princess.

          • Demmi Greene

            Yes,… but They have to repent,…. They have every bit as much right to redemption if they repent LIKE EVERYONE ELSE; they have to deny themselves their sinful pleasures. and few of them ever do.

            Luke 9:23/ ”And He was saying to them all, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross daily and follow Me. 24/ “For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake, he is the one who will save it.…”

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Yes and I know how dearly you would love to castrate them all to prevent them from experiencing any love or affection in their lives, but the fact is that is NOT what Christianity prescribes, nor does it expect people to live loveless and sexless lives. How monstrous and cruel your God is if this is the one you choose to worship.

          • Demmi Greene

            Since God can raise dead people, heal leprosy, blindness and deafness, feed the *5000, walk on water,..HE CAN CERTAINLY HEAL INORDINATE AFFECTION.

            ”How monstrous and cruel your God is if this is the one you choose to worship.”

            ”And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.” John 3:19

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Why would anyone “heal” AFFECTION? IT’S AFFECTION! IT’S LOVE!

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Yes they are and if they want access to God then they have to do it by His laws and repent of their deeds. Repent is a word that means stop what you are doing and be heartfully sorry for having done it. If a homosexual wishes to access God they have to do it through Jesus and Jesus alone and Jesus will tell them to repent. If they refuse to repent, then they will be turned away. That is the law of God not my law. I did not make it up. I am a created being not the creator. So I sucked it up long ago and went to Jesus and asked him to be the Lord of my life. Have you ever done that? Will you ever do it? I won’t hazard a guess on that one but I know you are showing me and it leads me to believe in the negative for you.

          • Phipps Mike

            Bigots dont KNOW Jesus, You can stop the facade.

          • Phipps Mike

            “We believe that God’s Word is the absolute truth”
            that’s the problem, The Bible IS NOT GODS WORD. Its mans SCRIBED manipulation of his word.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            So you are going to tell us your so called father-in-law is a minister of 26 years and then claim the Bible is fables and stories that are not true. Oh you poor man. More poor is your wifes father because both yours and her blood will be on his hands. Oh yeah that don’t count because it is in the Bible

            Lastly Jesus stated plainly that he did not come to do away with the law but to fulfill it. The old testament is as relevant today as it was when it was written but being the bigot you are you will never accept it so you will never understand it. To you Jesus is this really nice guy who goes around taking care of people and being all lovey dovey all the time and would never hurt a fly. You are so deluced. You don’t know Jesus at all.

          • Phipps Mike

            obviously you dont know Jesus. Jesus died for our sins in the NEW Testament. Gods wrath is OLD Testament and it is IN THE BIBLE that his wrath does NOT come back until judgement day. Thats the most crucial fact in the Bible.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Well tell that to Ananias and Sapphira, tell it to Jerusalem when it fell under Roman rule as it did to the Babylonians. By the way there is a man I know who is loving you very much right now because I have contended with him on Calvinism and you are getting me to look in a more favorable light to the precepts of sovereignty. Funny you are the on Arminian extreme and he is the Calvinist extreme. Me I tend to run up the middle on the narrow difficult path, hated by Arminians and hated by Calvinist. That is a nice badge of honor.to be given.

          • Phipps Mike

            actually I disagree with one of Arminias’ beliefs, He thinks free will is a broken system where I think its not, GOD chose for us to have free will so he is going against God by saying that, As a liberal, I believe that change is needed when progress stops and does no good. Free will is the ultimate test of true FAITH. A dictated faith is not TRUE faith. You have to WANT to believe in order to REALLY believe it.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Wow, something we agree on. That is my major sticking point with Calvinist about free will. Anyway as much fun as this has been and as nasty as I was being yesterday, today from here is a wash. I am doing Thanksgiving dinner today and have lots to do to be ready to eat by 7 pm so I will not be here to play for the rest of the day. Enjoy my silence. I will say this one thing, there were times yesterday I was being a butt head. Yeah I admit it. It is part and parcel of my make up. Like you I am passionate about the Word of God being infallible. Where I do side with Calvinist is that God is sovereign and is highly capable to ensure that what He said gets past down. I also believe as Jesus pointed out to the Pharisees that the Word of God is often hidden from those who think they are wise in their own right and that such Godly wisdom that is in scripture is best understood by the little children who on blind faith accept it as they do their parents words. Lastly when it comes to pedophilia as this article is about, I am as passionately against it even more than homosexuality in that children cannot defend themselves. Even some adults can’t but that is a different story for a different time. If I were to ever come across a case of sexual assault on a child I can guarantee I will end up in jail and not be the least bit sorry as I take another human’s life. In the south there is the joke about the defense of murder rest on three little words, :he needed killin.” Well that is my view of any who would attack a small child, they need killin. I am not Jesus even though I am to be like him, in that point I will fail miserably. So all that being said the kitchen is waiting and enjoy the rest of your day. I will enjoy running myself into the ground to get this meal on the table in 7 hours.

          • Phipps Mike

            Thanksgiving early eh? cool. I TOTALLY appreciate your admission of being a little out of control yesterday and I have to say that I was, also. Its not that often that I do put out my home address. My wife will also appreciate your view on child sexual molestation. While she knows that vigilante-ism is wrong, she knows that under certain circumstances, people will just fail to control themselves and end up fatally wounding perpetrators. I actually MET my wife through myspace in a forum about guess what? Child sexual abuse. We started off against each other in the debate of whether or not all sex offenders deserve the death penalty. We ended up married 5 years ago on Valentines Day. Her passion is what led me to love her.
            The fact that you offered me an olive branch even after all the arguing we did and how intense it was, is testament that you are indeed a good Christian.
            While I cant change the Bibles verses, I will still remain seeing my job on this earth as keeping equality where and when I can. If I am wrong in doing that, I am sure God will see that my INTENTIONS are NOT evil or bad, they are about caring about the entire human race. I will never understand why ISIS is doing what they are doing without seeing a problem with it.
            If you happen to see this tonight, have a happy thanksgiving.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Well you scared the hell out of me yesterday when you posted personal info. I was not worried for me or you but for you wife. You are evidently a pretty decent guy. But what you are also obviously is not one who can think like the worse of the worse dregs of society. I have been cursed with that ability and it is a curse because I can often see things I would rather not. That being said, there are people out there that are patient, devious, mean, and very nasty. They would wait till such a time when you wife is alone and pounce and you would not be there to stop them. No couple spends 24/7/365 together. Something will always come up to separate them and the dregs will help that to happen in a great number of ways. So do yourself a favor, if you love your wife and it is obvious you do then never do anything like that to put her in potential danger. You would never forgive yourself if something happened to her. In fact I would suggest you go back and remove those particular post. Granted they have been out for a while but better to have them gone as soon as possible than leave them to be seen later when you are not expecting it. Take care of your wife please and never let anyone bait you to such anger that you would do it again. It is just not worth it. Walk away even if you know the person you are dealing with is dead wrong. Being right over them is not worth your wife’s safety.

          • Phipps Mike

            youre absolutely right. I will go delete them, I just am too trusting of people sometimes.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Good, thanx for that. I am sorry I baited you to that point. It is like pax2u and BeYourSelf or what ever his name is are still trying to do to me. They will not succeed because I know what is going on. I throw them a bone every so often to make them feel good. It is sometimes to easy to do.and I can go overboard. It is the wolf side of the sheep dog in me.

          • Phipps Mike

            I think pax is just being irritating right now with all of the repeats and one liners. He’s not trying any honest debates or just exchanging ideas. At least we both were debating with real info.

          • pax2u

            I am sorry but being told that I am a Catlick, that I worship Mary as God, or that the Pope is Poppa Satan by someone who has no known theological denomination is not an honest debate.

          • Phipps Mike

            Pax….the continued lines about Cajuns user name is non applicable and so is the idea as to how genuine of a Cajun he is or isnt. Also, his denomination is inapplicable because no denomination has any writs saying “we are against this religion, or that religion”. As far as worshipping Mother Mary as equiv to God, I know MANY Hispanic Catgholics who do EXACTLY that. They FIGHT each other over who is going to get to buy the Mother Mary portrait at the local Goodwill store.

          • pax2u

            what is applicable is vile disparaging name calling

            being called a Catlick, if I was Jewish and someone called me a jewish slur would that be acceptable?

            and what is a Catgholic? is that like a Catlick? or Heb for a Jew?

            If a Catholic worships Mary as God then they are in error and they are not in communion with the theological doctrines of the Catholic Church, a Church of 1.2 billion souls for Jesus Christ, that is anecdotal at best.

            If I saw one non Catholic who said that they were a Christian and handled snakes, do all non Catholic Christians handle snakes? NO

            Did I go too far in defending my faith in my Church and Jesus Christ from someone who will fully lies about my faith? maybe

            Should I accept those who will fully lie about my faith in Jesus Christ? my answer is absolutely NOT

            why is it that those how vocally lie about the theological doctrines of the Catholic Church never belong to an established denomination? I do not know, but I am thankful that no denomination accepts their hatred of other Christians

          • pax2u

            thank you for editing the word Catgholic in your post to the correct word Catholic

          • Phipps Mike

            “As for homosexuality leading to more perverse activity, here are the words from a self proclaimed homosexual that I used to work with……Men want to push the allowance of homosexual activity further and further down the age limit ”

            when it comes to knowledge about sex offenders, don’t quit your day job. Only a TINY minority of Gays are sex offenders, You want stats, I will bring them back.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Please do. I love stats. They are great things that can be used to prove both sides of an argument depending on how you wish to interpret them. In short they are not facts they are a polling of info which prove nothing and point to many things. Better it is said they are a useless tool of liberal, God hating persecutor of Christians. Remember you came to a Christian site of your own free will. No Christian forced you to come here. So if you don’t like what you hear at this site, you know where the door is and don’t let it smack you as you leave.

          • Phipps Mike

            “Better it is said they are a useless tool of liberal, God hating persecutor of Christians. ”
            that was REALLY stupid. Stats are only as effective as their demographics and the honesty of the person taking the poll. Other stats ARE facts, such as how many people were arrested for this or that…etc…
            It has NOTHING to do with political affiliation. You keep digging yourself deeper and deeper into the “stupid” hole
            My wife will eat you for breakfast when she gets on here with the stats of this and your so called quack doctor reference that there is an over lap between homosexuals and pedophiles. That doctor you quoted has already been shunned by the scientific community for her biased research and sloppy way of handling her research. She is also a religious conservative wingnut.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            So first you are going to bury me with the stats and now it has to be yoru wife. You always hide behind her. Are you so inept you can’t do your own research. that you have to hide behind you wife to do it for you. Does she wipe your butt when you take a dump as well? As for eating me for breakfast, may I suggest you take a close look at my handle. I tend to cause indigestion in more ways than one in that I am a pretty spicy person. Where is that mountain of trash….oh darn did it again uhhhh stats? Oh yean got let the wifey do the real work because you can’t handle the truth.

          • Phipps Mike

            Cajun=stupid person…yes, it fits, You are right about something. My wife just happens to have all of the links to blast you into oblivion. That’s why I wanted her to do it (to save time). But you keep on calling stats trash so why does it even matter to you? You are a hateful bigot who cant HANDLE THE TRUTH.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            So you are not going to have your wife do your fighting for you. That implies you are lying about the wife. You are a fake and a fraud and have not concept of what a Christian is. Catlick church is not a Christian church now and all denominations claiming to be Christians are filled with fake Christians like yourself. Keep calling me a bigot because by the definition God is a Bigot as well and that makes me more like him. Thank you.

          • Phipps Mike

            you need to make up your mind, if you WANT stats and will CONSIDER them, I will send her in. If not, you are WASTING HER TIME. She only has weekends off so she doesnt have time to waste…so which is it going to be?

          • Le Cajun du foux

            What I want to see is what your bravado spewed out. I want to see your mountain of stats not what you have your wife do for you so you can continue being a lazy coward.

          • Neiman

            You sure have a lot of anger and hate:

            First, I know that many people sometime after birth have a strong sexual attraction to their same gender, some people have a strong sexual attraction to children or animals of towards rape, but having an unnatural desire for evil is still evil and throughout human history civilized people expect people to control their unnatural desires or suffer the consequences.

            Not that it will do any good, seeing how you reject God’s Word, but regarding sexual immorality: “In the New Testament, the word most often translated “sexual immorality” is porneia. This word is also translated as “whoredom,” “fornication,” and “idolatry.” It means “a surrendering of sexual purity”, and it is primarily used of premarital sexual relations. From this Greek word we get the English word pornography, stemming from the concept of “selling off.” Sexual immorality is the “selling off” of sexual purity and involves any type of sexual expression outside the boundaries of a biblically defined marriage relationship (Matthew 19:4–5).

            The connection between sexual immorality and idolatry is best understood in the context of 1 Corinthians 6:18, which says, “Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.” The bodies of believers are the “temple of the Holy Spirit” (1 Corinthians 6:19–20).”

            “The Bible makes no distinction between “loving” and “unloving” sexual relations. The only biblical distinction is between married and unmarried people. Sex within marriage is blessed (Genesis 1:28); sex outside of marriage is “fornication” or “sexual immorality” (1 Corinthians 7:2–5).”

            “We’re married in God’s eyes. This argument implies that God is cross-eyed. The fallacy of this idea is that the God who created marriage in the first place would retract His own command to accommodate what He has called sin. God declared marriage to be one man and one woman united for life (Mark 10:6–9). The Bible often uses the imagery of a wedding and a covenant marriage as a metaphor to teach spiritual truth (Matthew 22:2; Revelation 19:9). God takes marriage very seriously, and His “eyes” see immorality for what it is, regardless of how cleverly we have redefined it.

            “Hebrews 13:4 makes God’s expectation for His children crystal clear: “Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.” Sexual immorality is wrong. The blood of Jesus can cleanse us from every type of impurity when we repent and receive His forgiveness (1 John 1:7–9). But that cleansing means our old nature, including sexual immorality, is put to death (Romans 6:12–14, 8:13). Ephesians 5:3 says, “But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people.”

            But, I know that you despise God’s Word and this will fall on deaf ears, but the Truth is the Truth and among many things, Jesus is the Truth.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Let’s examine the statements you made which we both know are total BS:

            “having an unnatural desire for evil is still evil”

            First problem: who defines “unnatural” – someone in the church you go to, I assume. Well, I think using fundamentalist religion to hate on others is unnatural, and you don’t, so you’re going to have to find a word we can all agree on.

            Second problem: Homosexual people don’t have a desire for evil, they have a desire for love and companionship like every other person on earth. Why you’d choose to single them out to call them evil is beyond me, but you’re still wrong, and you’re still hateful.

            “unnatural desires”

            See above. Unnatural to you is NOT “unnatural” by most people’s more reasonable definitions.

            “seeing how you reject God’s word”

            I never said that. I am rejecting YOUR perversion of God’s word.

            Next, you give a very lengthy description of “porneia” and go on at length about how the New Testament talks about it. Well and good, but what the hell does it have to do with homosexuality? Nothing.

            “I know you despise God’s word”

            I despise your perversion of God’s word. I despise people who take the scriptures and bend them to their own purposes. I despise fundamentalist Christianity, but I love REAL Christianity. I wish that’s what you observed.

          • Demmi Greene

            ”I despise your perversion of God’s word. I despise people who take the scriptures and bend them to their own purposes. but I love REAL Christianity. ”

            You Hypocrite,…and what the he– do you call that what you just did?

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Considering I haven’t cited anything FROM Christianity, I call it nothing. Don’t use words you don’t understand (hypocrite).

          • Demmi Greene

            Only if you Don’t make references to REAL Christianity,…which you certainty don’t understand.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            And you would know that how? You know precisely nothing about me.

          • Demmi Greene

            Your posts reveal so much about you that You’re as transparent as saran wrap.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            And yours don’t? Your fundyism leaks out your pores. You are completely oblivious to logic and reason.

          • Demmi Greene

            Well hell,…I hope so.

            Christ would reject me if I was luke-warm. So thanks for the compliment. ”

            ”But since you are like lukewarm water, …..I will spit you out of my mouth!” Revelation 3.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Too bad it’s such an absolute bastardization of real Christianity.

          • Demmi Greene

            Christ set the standard for his sons/heirs,… not YOU,…absolute bastards are the ones ‘outside of the fold’.

            ”and nothing unclean, and no one who practices abomination and lying, shall ever come into it, but only those whose names are written in the Lamb’s book of life.” Revelation 21

          • Neiman

            Well we agree on one thing, you are filled with hate and I suspect self-loathing for your own homosexual desires.

            Everyone that is involved in sexual immorality, based on God’s Word have a desire for evil. They are under the control of the prince of this world – Satan, not consciously, but if they are not surrendered to God, they are surely children of the Devil, even non-gays.

            I will stand with God’s Word as revealed in the Holy Bible, allowing you to follow men. I wish I could help you, but I fear it will take something horrible in your life to wake you up and get you to turn to Christ as Savior and Lord.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            I agree on NOTHING you said. Not one thing. Not even when you pathetically try to paint me as gay when I’m not, just someone trying to defend them from your hate and lies.

            I guarantee you that not one gay person in the world ever set out to sin or upset God. They wanted love, and not to be lonely. Nothing more than that.

            You stand with whatever you want, just don’t with a straight face tell me it’s got anything to do with Christianity.

          • Neiman

            “I guarantee you that not one gay person in the world ever set out to sin or upset God. They wanted love, and not to be lonely”

            Surely none of them did set out to sin or rebel against God, but like us all, nonetheless they remain guilty before God for their sins and like us all are, they destined for everlasting separation from God and conscious suffering forever. They, like in “whosoever will,” have a an opportunity and a responsibility to acknowledge their sins before God, repent of them which means turning away from them and, by God’s Grace, by faith, accept Jesus as their Savior and Lord, looking to Him not only for their salvation, but healing of those sinful desires, as did a few homosexuals during in Paul’s ministry. Being lonely, wanting love is no defense, there are no excuses, there is repentance and God’s Grace or hell. Don’t like that? Well your argument is with God and He does not lose arguments.

            As to your charges of hate, the Holy Spirit tells the children of God, Ephesians 5 – “11 And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove [expose] them.” That is the charge upon Christians, not just flee from evil but expose evil, cause the light of God’s Love to shine on the darkness in men’s souls.

            Ehpesians 5: ” 3 But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints; 4 Neither filthiness, nor foolish talking, nor jesting, which are not convenient: but rather giving of thanks. 5 For this ye know, that no whoremonger, nor unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, hath any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God. 6 Let no man deceive you with vain words: for because of these things cometh the wrath of God upon the children of disobedience.”

            By your not hating sin, by your not exposing the sins of such people that they might be saved, you show you have not His Spirit in you and you do not love these gay people at all..

          • Joe Blow

            KNOW I KNOW HOW HITLER GOT TO BE SO BIG THINKING HE KNEW WHAT WAS RIGHT FOR MAKING THIS WORLD A BETTER PLACE.CHRIST DIDN’T PREACH HATE AND YOUR TYPE OF Interpretation of the bible is so scary so take your snake handling rock throwing self and read Christ’s words and find out what he preached and it wasn’t hate.Turn and twist his word all you want but he preached love.So take your snake handling,stone throwing self and really read the Words Christ spoke.

          • Demmi Greene

            ” . . .CHRIST DIDN’T PREACH HATE AND YOUR TYPE OF Interpretation of the bible is so scary,…”

            Read what CHRIST said to John in Revelation 21,…so you can grow up in spiritual maturity,…for God’s sake!!!! He is coming back to judge the earth, not as a lamb,… but as a lion!!!.

            Revelation 21/5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

            6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.

            7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

            8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

            Hebrews 12
            For our God is a consuming fire.

          • Phipps Mike

            “and all liars”
            oh well then. ALL of mankind is going to hell. ALL PEOPLE LIE.

          • Demmi Greene

            ” . . . ALL of mankind is going to hell…”

            Not the redeemed/repentant souls,…that’s the whole point. smh.

            ”You see thru a glass darkly -”

          • Phipps Mike

            actually I am the epitome of the opposite of you. I am an optimist that believes that God loves ALL people, not JUST HETEROS>

          • Demmi Greene

            Yes,…God does loves ALL people. Til the Day of the Great White Throne Judgement

          • Neiman

            God is also a God of Justice and He hates sin and some sinners.

            http://www.gotquestions.org/does-God-hate.html

            Yes, God loves all of His creation, but He just as surely hates sin, because no one can be in His presence with the slightest stain of sin. He hates sin because for the lost, it separates the lost from Him forever and causes them unending, conscious torments. For believers, when we sin and we all do, it breaks our fellowship with Him until we repent. So, to say God loves everyone does not mean He does not hate sin and some sinners that lead souls away from Him by their condoning sin. He wants us to love the sinner, but in His love to hate and expose sin that by His Spirit they will be convicted of their need for a Savior, repent and escape the pains of hell.

          • Joe Blow

            Thank you for sharing his message and telling the deceiver off.

          • Joe Blow

            Thank God looks like your twisted message is falling on deaf ears and hope you realize with your all puffed up holier than know crap is not what Christ’s message was about it was about love and that he is and will be the only judge.So get off your pedestal before he comes back and read his message because it looks like a big fall from were your at.I hope you repent and I do not know if you know what that means it is to chance ones mind and you better for your sake.

          • pax2u

            he said that he will not respond to me, when his sick message is confronted he pouts and runs away

          • Neiman

            I am sorry you cannot help lying. I engaged you with numerous replies and extensive arguments, but you were unable to reason or prove me in error, so I told you that it had become a waste of time, a vain disputation, a casting of pearls of divine wisdom before swine and so I would end that useless endeavor. So YOU LIED!

          • pax2u

            look who is back little Neumannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

            You promised not to respond to me, I guess you could not help it, are you still with out a denomination?

          • Neiman

            I only responded to expose your lies, not to engage you in useless, vain disputations. By the way, you hatred is on very clear display.

          • pax2u

            so still no denomination that agrees with your hatred of Catholics?

          • Neiman

            I only reply because it is more lies by you and it seems you are a pathological liar. I never expressed anything but love for Catholics, my disagreements are with the false Church in Rome. I belong to the Body of Christ, His Church and only His Church and fellowship with all similar true believers in a couple of denominations I find are biblically based.

            Al you are doing is exposing your lying nature! But, your father is the father of all lies and liars, for the truth is not in him.

          • pax2u

            so I lied that you belong to no denomination? I apologize I am very sorry, now tell us all of the name of your denomination

          • pax2u

            my name is not Al, Catholics have raised Mary to equal status with Jesus and it is clearly worship.

            you have said this “Catholics have raised Mary to equal status with Jesus and it is clearly worship.”

            I did say that you will fully lie about the doctrines of the Catholic Church when you say that Catholics worship Mary, and make her equal with Jesus and you can not provide Official Catholic Doctrine, Creeds, or the Catechism to define you statement, you statement was either made out of ignorance or is a will full lie, and a lie is a sin against God, if you are a Christian

            so which is it, are you ignorant, a liar or an ignorant liar?

          • Joe Blow

            That is because he knows we know Gods word and not the garbage that he was taught by man and from man so let him pout in his corner and while he is pouting I hope he repents and as we know means to change ones mind and I hope he has room in his mind because of what was put in their from man all of their misinformation .I hope he will repent because once the good Lord is here he is going to be busy throwing a lot misguided people in the lake of fire and I hope they repent before he comes because he won’t be here to put them on the backs.

          • pax2u

            I find that those who attack Christians and then say that they are “christians” NEVER have a denomination, but actually for that I am thankful

          • Neiman

            The Lord said that the lost were deaf and blind to the Truth. I have given you scripture that says He hates sin and same sinners that lead souls away from His salvation. I have shown you that real love is to hate and oppose sin, because we seek to save those that are lost and dying in their sins. But, all you can do is keep repeating the carnal, saccharine sweet, useless bromide that Jesus is Love, but the love you describe is really hate, it hates those that are lost, because it is not honest about sin.

            The Homosexual Movement is really a war against Christ, it is a war against God.

            While you can never argue against what I say from Scripture and are unable to “come and reason together,” the following will also fall on your deaf ears as well.

            Maybe you can tell me why if God approves of homosexuality or at least does not hate it, He only condemns it in His Word and tell me why He certainly has not uttered a single word in its support? If He is okay with gay marriage, why did He only define it as being between a man and a woman and not make sure we knew gay marriage was okay with Him?

            Surely if He is Almighty God the Creator and as we all believe, a God of Love, what kind of love is it that knowing (omniscience) that sexual lifestyle will be understood by His children as being condemned in His Word, that He did not take great care to make
            sure that He said something, no matter how small, in its defense, to avoid any such misunderstandings? That is to accuse God of child abuse, or being a deceiver and not a God of love at all.

            This is the very crux of the issue, it is vital to anyone truly of the Christian faith: If God approved of Homosexuality and Gay Marriage and yet He failed to make that absolutely clear, when He otherwise had so much to say about sexual morals, He was surely not acting in Love for them or His Church to stay silent on such a critical issue that, He had to know would arise at this time in history; that is, if He is really all-knowing, as He must be to have created all things. If He did not know it would be so critical, He is not all-knowing and is not God at all. If He remained silent, not making sure we knew He approved of homosexuality and gay marriage and allowed gays to be hurt without cause, He cannot possibly be a God of Love and thus He cannot be God at all.

            That is why the enemy of our souls has stirred up these homosexual and gay marriage issues, He is using gays, practical atheist Christians and their liberal minded allies to cast doubt on God’s very existence, it is designed with only one goal in mind, not on behalf of homosexuals, but to kill God and that is exactly what God tells us will happen in the End Times, there will be virtually no real faith in God left on earth when Christ returns. This homosexual and gay marriage movement is of the spirit of the anti-Christ to bring about an end to faith in the very existence of God.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            You are not content are you. You give a name, an online title called “BeWhoYouAre” then proceed to tell people to stop being who they are when it does not fit your ideas.

            No one ever sets out to sin against God. We are born into sin and until we seek God’s forgiveness through His Son Jesus Christ we are damned eternally. So since it takes faith in Jesus and His death on the Cross and His resurrection from the dead to be a Christian then how can it not have anything to do with Christianity.

            Ok so I get it you are a wannabe Christian basher/hter. You have not really had a lot of experience at it and you are doing a horrible job of pushing your point of view as you leave obviously gaping holes in your logic and are not willing to do your home work to be able to avoid looking like a hypocrite. Look go back to your Christian bashing forums, take some lessons and come back when you have matured some or in your case maybe a whole lot.

            You know in Christianity it talks about babes in the faith needing the milk before maturing to the meat of scripture. Well I am guessing the same can be said of Christian bashers, there are babes who go out and make fools of themselves and then their are those who have matured in their abilities because they know they have to back up what they say. So some of them actually go and read scripture not just hint that they have like you have done here. You have not a clue what scripture says but you are quick to try and use it as a stumbling block. Guess what little boy, you are failing miserably. Time to go home to daddy and get some lessons. I am sure Poppa Satan can give you some pointers. Come back when you have grown up some say in about 200 years.

            Children, you try so hard to teach them and they just refuse to listen. It is no wonder we keep repeating history over and over and over.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Are you ACTUALLY serious, “Poppa Satan?” Is this what you pull out when you disagree with someone? You’re right, and the other person isn’t just wrong, but misled by Satan?

            What is it about your brand of Christianity that you think gives you carte blanche to hate on homosexuals? Where in the Bible does it tell you to do that? Do you think it’s what Jesus wants you to do? Do you think perhaps if you were a little kinder and a little more tolerant, people wouldn’t “bash” you for your neanderthal beliefs?

          • Le Cajun du foux

            I am very serious. Jesus said this in John 8:44 “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.” Now I have caught you in a number of lies and if lies are of Satan the father of all lies then you are of your father. I am not who is right. God is Right. If you are wrong then it is wrong against God not me.

            My “Brand” of Christianity is taking God at his word, all of his word. Now you are assuming I hate homosexuals. I never said that and I don’t. In fact the young man I mentioned earlier was a good friend of mine. I liked him very much but I would not accept his behavior of homosexuality as it is an abomination before God. In fact it was such an abomination that He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for it. Now as for Jesus, He too got angry with man’s beavior and demonstrated that anger in the Temple just as His Father did with Sodom and Gomorrah. “And the Jews’ passover was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem, And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise. And his disciples remembered that it was written, The zeal of thine house hath eaten me up.” John 2:13-17

            So as you see it is Jesus who becomes angry with humans who defile His Father’s house. He and He along has the right to be angry with homosexuals. I just pity them their blindness and their self satisfying pride.

            Now I will turn the question to you why do you come here and bash Christians try desperately but failing miserably to put them in a bad light. It seem you are the true hater here. You come looking for people to bash. You won’t find me on homosexual forums bashing them they way you came here to do it. Now if you think that I hate you then you have again lied and are a homosexual otherwise you would not be here in the first place. Make what ever claims you want that you aren’t. It does not matter to me one bit but it does matter to God and he knows the deepest recesses of your heart and he knows your lies and deceit. You cannot hide from God. As Jesus says in Mathew 7:20 “Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.” Your fruits are very obvious. Care to go another round or will you quit while you are only a little behind?

          • BeWhoYouAre

            “I am very serious.”

            So am I, when I say this: Get yourself to a really GOOD psychologist. Because I can promise you that John 8:44 isn’t talking about me. For one thing I wasn’t BORN yet, for the other it isn’t nice to go on public forms and tell people that Satan has taken them over when you haven’t taken your medication.

            Your brand of Christianity is judgment (the very thing Jesus said not to do); hate, false witness; and when you find yourself losing a debate, accusing your opponent of being “satan”. And didn’t Jesus also tell you, “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”? And here you are, doing just that, with a “sin” which I don’t even think IS a sin, and if it is, it doesn’t crack the top ten. I sure don’t see it in MY Bible under the ten commandments. You are loud, bitter, harsh, and not content to let people who disagree with you live their lives the way they see fit. Guess what? Christianity isn’t the law, and you are in no position to enforce it.

            If “he and he alone” has the right to be angry with homosexuals, why are you so angry with homosexuals? They don’t require your self-righteous “pity”. They just want to live their lives without people like you yelling at them, judging them, pitying them.

            You don’t NEED me to put your type of Christianity in a bad light. You do that all by yourself. I’m not bashing you, I’m bashing your evil, ugly, hateful lies which you are masquerading as Christianity. Too bad you can’t send me to hell, isn’t it? I know you’d enjoy that very much. But you are not God, and I will remind you of that at every opportunity.

            My advice to you is to free yourself from your tyrannical and hateful religion which has caused you to hate. Turn to an actual body of Christianity that is quieter, kinder, and does not judge.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            I don’t need a psychologist or any of your other leftist hokus pokus babbling educated idiots. I have Jesus and that is all that I need.

            So now you are saying that since John 8:44 was written around 2,000 years ago it does not pertain to you. You are claiming to know what the Bible says but don’t understand the timelessness of it and that what was said then still pertains now. You know every time you open your mouth you put your foot in it. You just keep showing everyone what and who you really are. You are a Jesus hater and worse you try to twist what Jesus said, did, and is to fit your personal beliefs.

            So now lets see you claim I am on medication and I am not but that is a bash against me personally. Then you claim that I said you were Satan. I never said that. I said you were of your father Satan. Satan is Satan and you are you and spiritually you are born of Satan the father of all lies because you are now a proven liar. Now I don’t where you get your info but I am not losing anything here. I am defending scripture and nothing more. I am also hopefully for your benefit pointing out your sins that your recognize them and seek forgiveness for them. So, yes I am to hate false witness and I hate that you come here with your pack of God hating lies and try to spew them as fact just because you claim they are. As for you I don’t hate you at all.I don’t even know you personally to be able to hate you. But as you have shown your fruits I do know who you are and who you belong to.

            Now as I see it you cast the first stone bashing others here calling them hateful Christians. I just repsonded to your remarks. So I did not cast the first stone. Yet what I find hilarious is that you claim John 8:44 does not pertain to you but then you will use the very same scripture to try and condemn me. Sorry I was not born then either. So if it does not pertain to you then it cannot pertain to me.

            So go live your life and take your lies and hate with you. Quit coming to a place and making blanket statements about things you know nothing about such as I am to hate the sin but love the sinner. Pointing out sin to a brother is the best thing I can do for them. Mathew 18:15 “Moreover if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone: if he shall hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother.” So I guess I have not gained a brother.

            So lets get this straight. You come here to a Christian news sight with an article heading of, “After Co-Founder of Largest ‘Gay Rights’ Group Arrested for Child Rape, Boyfriend Also Charged.” So here we have an article about a decidedly gay man raping an under age boy. And you claim there is no connection. So you have called the facts lies. You then demand proof of the connection and I give to you and you just disregard it because it proves you have no idea what you are talking about, Then you draw Christianity into it and try to twist scripture to which you have no knowledge of and claim you are winning a debate that does not exist. You want to say only your piece and no one is allowed to challenge you without you unleashing a tirade of bashing attacks and then say those defending Biblical Christianity are haters. Am I missing something here or are you just all over the boar here with you own hate filled verbage?

            You may think this is a debate and you may hate Christianity or more hate Christ and that is all well and good. You will deall with it on the day you stand before Jesus. You claim defenders of scripture are haters yet you insist on carrying this on denying one fact after another and never supplying one ounce of supporting evidence to back up what you are saying. You say one thing in one post and something different in the next post and deny what you said before.Not only are you twisting scripture, you are twisting your own words.

            Well that explains it. It all depends on what “is” is. I should have known, you are Bill Clinton.

            Straight up. I know who and what you are. You are a liar and a hater of God and His Son Jesus. You also hate me because you hate Jesus and know not His father. “If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you. If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you. Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. But all these things will they do unto you for my name’s sake, because they know not him that sent me.” John 15:18-21 If I said I was a Budhist you would not be so adamant. But because I say I am a Bible believing Christian you attack without mercy yet you expect of me to be merciful to you. You want to tell me how to be but are not willing to lead the way by your own actions. Such a Pharisee. Such a hypocrite. You have attacked Demmi Greene, and Neiman and me with your perverse beliefs of how you think the world should be and how Christianity should be. You are working the Satanic handbook to the letter. Yep you are definitely of your father the devil.

            By the way thank you for the opportunity to point out all the play book points. You are a liar but a kind one none the less.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            “I never said you were Satan. I said your father was Satan.” Yes, that’s a much improved insult. Completely off the charts in terms of its craziness, but better.

            Look, when you don’t like something, it doesn’t automatically mean Satan got involved. Is this what your “personal relationship with Jesus” teaches you – is Jesus whispering these statements in your ear, is that it? Your favored status with Jesus because of your fundamentalism has granted you this special insight that Satan is my dad?

            Maybe that’s normal Christianity where you come from, but where I come from it’s mental illness.

            And now not only is Satan my father but I’m a Jesus hater. It’s really fascinating watching you pull ridiculous statements out of your butt like that. Get it straight buddy. I don’t hate Jesus. What I hate is ignorance and stupidity.

            And now I’m Bill Clinton too? Do you know what kind of doctor normally gets recommended to people who see imaginary Satans and Bill Clintons and Jesus haters? Why don’t you go see one?

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Well since you are a Catlick and kiss the boots of what ever the Pontiff says you would not know what the Bible says. Jesus does not whisper these things in my ear they are plainly written out in the Bible. Since you refuse to admit you are a Christian then, born again of the Spirit, that makes you a Christian hater like the many wolves in sheep’s clothing that Jesus and Paul warned against. Being a proven liar nothing you can say from this point forward has any legitimacy to me or anyone else who sees you for what you are. So if you are offended that Jesus not me says that you are of your father, the father of all lies, Satan then you are offended by Jesus. So the truth here is that you hate me because I call homosexuality a sin and prove that it descends into deeper perversions of pedophilia. I only do so because scripture the Word of God and spoken by Jesus tells us to fight the good fight of faith. I defend that faith to my death in need be.

            So I leave you with this but, for the life of me I know not why because you will neither listen to it nor udnerstand what it is convicting you of. “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorifiedhim not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,” Romans 1:16-22

            You ridicule and call those who accept the free gift of salvation insane, you demand proof which you yourself will never provide. You make blanket statements you have heard and call it fact all the while call people names and then cry when they call you the very names Jesus used because your fruits expose you for who and what you are. You are evil and maybe even demonically influenced. But if nothing else as Paul wrote you are a fool thinking yourself wise from the imaginations of your foolis heart. In Jesus’ own words to you and every one like you down through history: “O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.” Mathew 12:34. Therefore I turn you over to Jesus the Lord of Lords, the King of Kings to deal with. I just hope for your sake he does not send the Holy Spirit as he did with Anania and Sapphira in Acts 5. I will let you look that up. And when judgment befall you from the Righteous God, you will remember your deeds as they will be laid out before you that you will have to give an accounting for. Catholicism does not save anyone and the idolatry of Mary worship is an abomination before God and before Jesus. May the Lord have mercy on your soul because the Devil is licking his chops that he has hooked another.

          • Phipps Mike

            Your CONSISTENT wall of texts that do nothing but show how you are a you know what kisser of God. is just PROVING you DO need mental help.

          • Demmi Greene

            You are a most accomplished, wickedly vain and perverse man.

            And to think,..some of us believers here could have been wondering if you are as vile as you seem. You have most assuredly lain all of our doubts to rest.

          • Phipps Mike

            your judgements mean nothing, Whats perverse is when you twist Gods scripture to HATE on other people.

          • Demmi Greene

            you pervert Gods scripture to HATE on true Christians.

          • Phipps Mike

            A TRUE Christian knows that God isn’t against homosexuals, So you are in error.

          • Demmi Greene

            Psalm 11…4/ The LORD is in His holy temple; the LORD’S throne is in heaven; His eyes behold, His eyelids test the sons of men. 5/ The LORD tests the righteous and the wicked, And the one who loves violence His soul hates. 6/ Upon the wicked He will rain snares; Fire and brimstone and burning wind will be the portion of their cup.…

          • Phipps Mike

            Demmi, get caught up, will ya? Psalms OLD TESTAMENT. Jesus died for our sins=NO MORE fire and brimstone.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Hey if you don’t like the wall of text complain to you boyfriend. He is the one who kept demanding proof. So I give it and now that is even wrong. Guess you both may be ejoying and extended vacation swimming in the very hot climes of the lake of fire but enjoyment will not be the right descriptor.

          • Demmi Greene

            That one is living proof of Romans 1/28

            And so, since they did not see fit to acknowledge God or approve of Him or consider Him worth the knowing, God gave them over to a base and condemned mind to do things not proper or decent but loathsome,”

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Yeah that goes for the man in the article as well as the commentors spewing trash and hatred. Just degrees of based and condemned minds.

          • Phipps Mike

            first, your wall of texts contain MUCH scripture (garbage that doesn’t qualify as “proof”. Second,Even humoring your lies that God is against Gays, I am not the one sinning here. I am a married hetero, so get over it.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            So now you wish to call the word of God as garbage. Oh you will have to take that up with Him when you meet Him. I did not make that claim God did when he said that a man lying with mankind like with a woman is an abomination. You have a problem with that take it to God. So bully for you, you are married. I know men who are homosexual who are married to women. I also know bisexuals as well. Big deal there. So you are married. What does that prove. As for sinning though lying is a sin and therefore you are sinning. Make the claim that homosexuality is genetic and you are lyiing. There is not proof of that in any science any where. If there should be some show up it is probably like the global warming stats that were outed for being manipulated. It is all lies and you perpetrating them is also lying. As I said I call a spade a spade and you are a lying spade albeit a married one.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            But he’s not calling the word of God garbage. He’s calling your garbage garbage. And you spout nonstop garbage.

          • Demmi Greene

            ”But he’s not calling the word of God garbage…”

            ”first,… your wall of ”texts” contain ”MUCH scripture”,…. (garbage that doesn’t qualify as “proof”….”) . . . . ‘SAITH Phipps Mike

          • Phipps Mike

            yea, scripture manipulated by MAN aka garbage.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            It takes one to know one. You are the one who keeps claiming to have all this scientific proof and never produce any of it. That leaves all that you have said here so much trash. At least I go and get the supporting documentation. You can’t even do that. Both you and your buddy are just a couple of loud mouthed whinney wimps. Gotta let the women do the fighting for you. That is what liberals are, cry babies complaining because they can’t contol people like me. So as long as you want to keep at it, I am more than willing to knock down every stupid comment you make and when it is needed I will bring the support documentation along with me. You can’t even do that much, lil keyboard commando.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            I am tired of repeating myself, but it’s worth it if it finally shuts you up on a subject you’re so in the dark about:

            http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/sexual-orientation.aspx

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Yep good old Sigmund Fruitcake babble. Nice but it means nothing to God. God says homosexuality is a sin. Nothing human arrogance will do to ever change that. So if you are so tired for repeating yourself then why do you keep coming here. You haven’t convinced me of anything, You haven’t proven any point. All you did was make some brownie points with a fellow liar and coward who has to rely on his wife to fight his battles. An intelligent person would know that you never argue with an ignorant one because you will always lose and they will beat you over the head with experience. So if in your mind I am so ignorant why are you arguing with me. You are losing constantly and I keep beating you over the head with experience. By your own admission you are tired of this. So why don’t you just quit and try your clap trap garbage on some fool who is as ignorant as you are? Definition of stupidity, try the same thing over and over and expecting different results. Yep that fits you to a T.

          • Phipps Mike

            ” Nice but it means nothing to God. ”
            see? just like I said (wont believe proof even when its IN YOUR FACE).
            You let GOD do your battles, so stop talking about me wanting to use my wife who is an EXPERT on the subject, unlike you.
            I can bring in proof myself but you would CHOOSE to not believe it, so whats the point? The point is that you are 100% guilty of being a BIGOT and use Gods word as an excuse for your hate.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            But God DOESN’T say homosexuality is a sin. You made that up, or your fundie pastor did. Real Christians don’t buy into nonsense like that, and human arrogance is the thing that keeps you mired in blatant ignorance like this.

            As long as you continue to lie in the name of Jesus, I am going to call you out. It is entirely your choice whether you continue to lie or drop it entirely.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            He calls it an abomination and not I did not make it up. It is in the Bible. I even gave you the quoted scripture which you probably ignored. But then being a Jesus hater that is understandable. The lies are coming from you. If I quote Jesus then they are his words not mine. If you choose to believe that God is incapable of ensuring the validity of His Word down through the ages then you have a problem with God not with me. But go right ahead and keep being a hater, hypccrite, and liar. That you have to answer for.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            No, you’re making it up. The word “homosexuality” didn’t even exist until the 1800s. Calling me a “Jesus hater” won’t change this simple fact, either. In fact I think it’s you who must hate Jesus since you lie in his name constantly.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            I am not making it up. It is in the Bible. I already gave you chapter and verse. I guess it is time to do it again. “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.” Leviticus 20:13. Note the verb before abomination is committed. Just as you commit sins. Hence an abomination is an exceptional sin that specifically displeases God. So show me where I am lying in Jesus’ name. You are losing your control over your thought processes. Can you not keep a coherent thought without rehashing the same tired old drivel you have been running out about for two days now. Sheesh man get with the programs or go back to bashing school. Evidently you failed all your classes. You don’t even make a decent stupid liberal.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            The word is not in the Bible, unless your copy of the Bible fell from the sky one day in an English language edition, leather-bound KJV edition. Many reasonable people feel that verse in Leviticus refers to male prostitution. Bigots think otherwise, and then try to paint it as fact. It doesn’t work. Especially with morons. And you can toss words like “liberal” around all you like – if being “liberal” makes me the opposite of you, I’ll wear the word like a badge of honor. Your hatred is causing your blood to boil. I’m amazed you haven’t had a heart attack already.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Boy you are a moron. It is in the quote. In the NIV it is said that homosexual relation are detestable. And you have nerve to tell me about revisionist history as you sit there as a keyboard commando and revise it to suit your needs.

          • Phipps Mike

            the NIV is a joke made by Conservatives who TRIED to say it makes it easier for people to understand. The original texts NEVER use the word Homosexual so the NIV is a LIE, You LOSE that point. “lie with”: is not HOMOSEXUAL.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Ok I get it. You do not accept the Bible in any form as the inspired Word of God who empowered man to pen what He wanted to say. That is like saying the pencil that a man uses to write his thesis was damaged there for the information of the thesis is invalid. Wish you would pick one way or another. Being a bigot as you are as well but on the opposite side of your point of view you wish to use all the man originated science, philosophy, etc but will discount the one piece of work that came from God himself. You need to pick a side. God will not deal kindly with double minded people.

          • Phipps Mike

            no, you get me wrong. MOST of the KJV IS Gods word, but I totally believe that there are certain parts that were manipulated by man to “keep the peace” among the other peoples. I am more inclined to believe the Dead Sea Scrolls than the KJV. The NIV is just TOTALLY manipulated because its CURRENT. I am not a bigot, I just don’t like it when people don’t use their OWN reasoning BESIDES the Bibles. God wanted us to use our own mind as well after reading the Bible.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            That is why I keep a good concordance handy to go back to the original Aramaic and Greek text.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Be serious, OK? Pull your head out of your ass for ONE MINUTE.

            “The first known appearance of the term homosexual in print is found in an 1869 German pamphlet 143 des Preussischen Strafgesetzbuchs und seine Aufrechterhaltung als 152
            des Entwurfs eines Strafgesetzbuchs für den Norddeutschen Bund (“Paragraph 143 of the Prussian Penal Code and Its Maintenance as Paragraph 152 of the Draft of a Penal Code for the North German Confederation”)”

            Read it and weep You LOSE.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            What is the present definition of a homosexual?

          • BeWhoYouAre

            The definition has never changed, and I think you know what it is. The point is the word didn’t exist until 1869.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            You did not answer the question. You tried to side step it. How about answering the question as it was asked, what is the definition of a homosexual?

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Don’t you possess a dictionary? Or do you disregard what it says because it is the “words of men”?

            I’m not sidestepping anything, I’m just not doing your work for you.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            I am not asking you to do work my work. I want you to look it up for yourself. So if you refuse to look it up and post it then you are side stepping. Maybe it is you who needs a dictionary.

            So you all speak is that not the words of men? So why should anyone listen to anything you say unless you are claiming to be god.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            You’re the one claiming to be God! It’s your “personal relationship,” isn’t it? Isn’t that what the fundies teach you? You know what the word means. Get on with whatever point you were trying to make.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Do you not possess a dictionary? Look up the word for yourself, I will not argue its definition. I’m not doing your homework for you.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Suit yourself but your failure to do so and post what you find shows fear for one and that for all the times you have called me a bigot, you are a far worse bigot than I could ever be. Toodles. You are not worth my time any more.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            We’ll just see whether it’s “toodles”. Any time I catch you lying on here again I’m going to be all over you like white on rice.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Hey I have lied here and did it on purpose because it draws out the frauds not unlike yourself. You to have lied here because I have pointed it out more than once and that is why you got so angry and hateful. You were shown for what you are. The difference is I will admit my sins, you will hide behind your lies. So bring your lilly whiteness on any time you think you got the brains to deal with me.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            You have quoted me scripture that did not contain the word homosexual, you dummy. In other words you completely made my point for me. Are you this shrewd at home too?

          • Le Cajun du foux

            “You have quoted me scripture ” what are you saying. You been drinking? With the way you talk I haven’t even understood your point would be my guess. Do you even have a point? Looks like all you have is a heart full of hate. I guess you and your Jack guy are both illegal in Canada eh? What a bunch of morons here, the deny the very Word of God, support detestable sins that God hates and wonder why they are on the fast track to Hell. Satan you have a good lock on this bunch. Hope you are happy with that.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            What is your problem? Give me a Bible quote that actually contains the word “homosexuality” and we can talk. But you can’t, since the word wasn’t even around until 1869. Don’t fundamentalists understand history?

          • Le Cajun du foux

            I don’t have a problem but, you do. You know that if you admit that homosexual activity is inferred in the Bible because it shoots down everything you want to say. No the word HOMOSEXUAL does not exist in the Bible and neither does the word Rapture but every one understands what someone is talking about when they use the word. Face it, the word does not exist but the inference is undeniable and only a fool denies the word of God.

          • Phipps Mike

            look up 2 comments. Your OWN KIND proved you wrong. It IS genetic influences.

          • Phipps Mike

            “Gotta let the women do the fighting for you.” you already admitted above that whatever we bring to the table is trash, You are the liar by insinuating that this is a reasonable debate.
            And as for the comment about Liberals being crybabies, I guarantee I would go hand to hand with you and NOT lose. As far as I am concerned YOU are the LITTLE PUNK.

          • Phipps Mike

            I am not attracted to the same sex in ANY way shape or form. I DO however CARE about ALL mankind. Obviously, YOU DON’T. You claim that homosexual attraction is not genetic, but yet RIGHT AT THIS VENUE, there was an article not long ago that DOES say there ARE genetic influences. Take note that its NOT manipulated and the researcher is a Christian, Have a look:http://christiannews.net/2014/06/23/is-the-gay-gene-a-myth-scientists-say-homosexuality-impossible-to-determine-by-dna/

            Don’t let the name of the article fool you, this is an
            excerpt FROM that same article:

            “Though the scientists
            maintained that genetics do at least partly influence sexual orientation, these
            recent findings undermine the belief that homosexuality is predetermined.
            Environmental factors, such as the absence of a father or an unhealthy domestic
            upbringing, might play significant roles.”

            Notice: ….”at least PARTLY influence sexual
            orientation. Then it also says” unhealthy domestic upbringing, MIGHT play
            significant roles.”

            So to conclude, it is saying
            that genetics DO and that upbringing, MIGHT. “Do” means it is SO. “might” means
            it is questionable.

          • Pax Humana

            Mike Phipps, BeWhoYouAre, pax2u, and Lika Saliscente, how about we just end this and you four come meet me with weapons in a darkened alley way and let us settle the matter once and for all, okay? I await your acceptance to my challenge, you Lucifer worshiping cowards.

          • Phipps Mike

            you DARE threaten MY wife with death threats? Lika Saliscente is my wife whom made ONE comment here AGAINST child sex abuse and you threaten her with death? consider yourself flagged. Oh and by the way. NWO DOESNT EXIST. Its a MADE up org by paranoid conspiracy theorists such as yourself. Anybody threatening a LADY is the TRUE coward.

          • Pax Humana

            Consider yourself counter-flagged because you started this fight with me, as did she, and you two want to promote things like abortion, assisted suicide, the culling of disabled people, suicide with dignity, and the LGBT coalition as well as dividing and conquering people with this evil and false concept known as races. I know you and your work all too well, you servants of Lucifer. I dare fight back because if I do not, then I will end up like the Christians and Jews that ended up in the gas chambers, crematoriums, and other places of death that happened all through the areas where the Axis Powers ruled, and the same thing is true for places where Communism, Socialism, Fascism, and Nationalism rule, among other evil forms of government.

          • Phipps Mike

            first, you came to ME, I said NOTHING to you until after you engaged me.
            2. I didnt serve in WWII, I was born in 1963, Moron.
            3. I only promote EQUALITY, not death.
            4. You called me an attention whore in another comment, What are you? a 15 year old girl?
            5. My wife made ONE comment and it was to Cajun, NOT you. stop flattering yourself. You’re not WORTH her time.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            You are hilarious. Your Bible is a CATHOLIC BOOK whether you can bear to admit it or not. I hate fundamentalism and fundamentalists because I can’t stand it when people lie for Jesus, which is what you are doing. And lying for Jesus is still lying.

            Keep quoting the Bible all you like to try to bend its words to your will. It doesn’t work. YOU are the hater here, not me. I have no issues with homosexuals, YOU are the one who wants to stone them to death and send them to hell. As Jesus would want, I’m sure. LOL

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Why thank you, I have always fancied myself a stand up comedian but not one like BillCosby. I was raised in the Catholic church and the Catlick bible and the KJV are not the same book. You should take the time to read them both. You might figure that out.

            So quoting scripture without interpretation is lying for Jesus. so let me ask which interpretation do you use, The NIV, the RSV, the ASV, the ESV, or maybe you like more letter so you can feel self important, the NASB, the HCSB, or maybe one with numbers in it, the RVR60. Of all of those only the KJV with a concordance comes closest to the original Greek and Aramaic text.

            You are the one who came to this site blasting people for standing up for righteouness that homosexuality is a sin of behavior and self gratification and perversness. The only haters here are you, you wimp buddy and his big bad tough wife with all the stats which have not yet shown up, just like no proof has been shown up from you. So put your money where your mouth is, lay down your stats or keep babbling a long like a fool.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Yes I know, you took it upon yourself to chop seven whole books out of it, pretty funny for someone who invokes the Bible every few seconds seems unbothered by the fact he’s got an edited copy.

            I don’t care about translations. It’s irrelevant to this discussion anyway.

            I have given stats several times from the American Psychological Association, is that not valid enough for you?

          • Le Cajun du foux

            You are a special kind of an idiot aren’t you. You don’t even know the various interpretations of the Bible. All you know is the KJV and nothing else and I doubt you know what the letters even stand for. Hey doofus every Bible is edited but none so much as your idol worshipping Catlick Bible. I know you don’t care about translations, You don’t care about Truth either, other wise you would not be here spewing lies and hate in every other word.

            You have given me nothing of the sort. Show me one post where you provided information from you god the Merican Psychobable Assnowciation. You are not only a liar now, you are also an Alzheimer patient with no memory.

            So let me ask did you see where you wimp of a buddy declared you the winner of your debate? So why do you keep coming here making a bigger and bigger fool of yourself in front of the whole worlld. You are not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

          • Phipps Mike

            you LOST the debate when you admitted any stats are trash, Debates are won BY stats. You really ARE stupid.

          • pax2u

            so tell us all Cletus D. Yokul, as a knuckle dragging anti Catholic, if you shut your mouth would you suffocate?

            Let me take a wild guess, you belong to no denomination

            so you are Le faux cajun

          • pax2u

            be careful, if le faux cajun interprets stats he will need to take off his shoes to count past 4, if he wears shoes

          • Phipps Mike

            you dont WANT stats, ignoramus! you already called them TRASH, several times. make up your idiot mind!

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Yeah I want you to do what you say you are going to do and not let your wife come fight your battles for you. You call me a wimp but you are the coward. I have seen finally a small bit of supporting documentation but not the claimed mountain. Even at that what I have seen does not convince me what the Bible say is not true.

          • Phipps Mike

            BECAUSE you are a fundie, nuff said. God isnt DOWN HERE making reports and doing research…man is. Man has to do the reports because GOD DOESNT WRITE.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            He does not need to, He speaks. He has prophets to write for Him. The only research that needs to be done is in the Word of God. It has all the answers that need to be answered.

          • Phipps Mike

            I disagree, if we are to continue “quality” of life, we must research not only the human condition, but also those things in the environment. God commanded us to take care of each other AND the animals and our world. We cant do that efficiently without MANS research NOW. The Bible doesnt contain those answers.

          • pax2u

            I am so very sorry sad little le faux cajun, I would not allow you to play the hateful bigot, so very sorry

            Have I called you a wimp or coward? please show when I did

            I did say that you are alone with out a denomination, or are you ashamed to name your denomination, I will say that you are part of the anti Catholic lunatic fringe, and I am thankful that you are alone

            I know that you speak for the uneducated, please tell us again who did the Puritans escape the persecution of? who?

          • Le Cajun du foux

            I will give you he denomination I have on my old military dog tags Christian.

          • pax2u

            maybe you are a Puritan who escaped the Catholic Church in PROTESTANT England and Holland

            I understand why you speak for the uneducated Le Faux Cajun of UTAH

          • Le Cajun du foux

            You would be hysterical if you didn’t come off as a spoiled child. Repeating the same phrase over and over. Can’t you do better than that. Gee if I am uneducated what does that make you. By your fruits I would say and imbecile but with out further knowledge I might be wrong. On the other hand if you cannot say anything more than repeating the same phrase trying to get my gander up I will never know.

          • pax2u

            le faux cajun fou

          • pax2u

            so you are wrong that the Puritans fled the Catholic Church when it was being persecuted by the PROTESTANT English and Dutch

            also there is no french word as foux, the french for crazy is fou

          • pax2u

            crazy adjinformal (person: insane)fou, folle adj There was a crazy man on the metro today. Il y avait un fou dans le métro ce matin.crazy adjinformal (act: foolish)fou, folle adj folie nf

          • pax2u

            the phrase is ” to get you dander up”, not gander, a gander is a male goose, like take a gander, or gander mountain, not dander is skin cells like dandruff

            Informal. anger; temper:

            Don’t get your dander up over such a trifle.

            you really do represent the uneducated

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Evidently you have never seen a male goose when it is angry. You fail. Where I come from we say it as getting your gander up. Put that in your pipe and smoke it. Did your mother have any kids that lived?

          • pax2u

            what a phony, you really are not educated

            tomaso the phony uneducated cajun of utah,

          • pax2u

            do the have schools were you come from le faux cajun de utah

          • pax2u

            Tomaso Sarducci?

            that is from your profile and your face book for all to see

            really no wonder you are le faux cajun, from utah, what a wannabe

            no wonder your french is uneducated

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Yep that is one of the names I go by online whats your point? You can drop the Utah, that was a ruse to fool people like you. My French is Cajun not from France. That is the way I learned it where I come from, If you have a problem with how the Cajuns speak and spell go down and tell them. Did your mother have any kids that lived?

          • pax2u

            what a phony, le faux cajun de utah

            tomaso, really,

          • Le Cajun du foux

            seriously, did your mother have any kids that lived? I am for now having to assume the answer is no. So I am guessing brain dead is a genetic deformity in your family. So why don’t you put the rest of the profile info out for everyone to see. You seem to like to see yourself repeating it over and over, why not mix it up a little, you know act like you at least tried to live through birth.

          • pax2u

            poor sad tomaso sarducci of utah , the fake and phony Le faux cajun

          • pax2u

            since you represent the uneducated please let us all re cap today’s interesting exchange with Le Cajun du foux

            Le Cajun du Foux is Tomaso Sarducci of Utah

            foux is not crazy in French, the French word is fou

            you said that the Puritans fled persecution of the Catholic Church, when the TRUTH is that the Puritans fled the persecution of the PROTESTANTS of England and Holland

            you said that the Catholic Church is the State Church of England, when the truth is that the PROTESTANT Anglican Church of England murdered Catholics for keeping their faith

            you say that I am trying to “get your gander up” a gander is a male goose, when the phrase is to ” get your dander up” as in dandruff,

            no wonder your are an uneducated anti Catholic bigot with out any church, denomination or fellowship

            and for that I am grateful

            I will pray for your soul Tomaso of Utah, the fake cajun

          • pax2u

            you are a rube

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Hey it beats being a priest sucking alter boy. So tell us when was your last confession? You think a priest can forgive you of your sins? Maybe Mary will grant you salvation. Which do you prefer to be molested by, Franciscan Fruitcakes or Jesuit Jerk offs? Did your mother have any kids that lived. Oh yeah your mother is Mary the eternal Virgin. I guess that makes you of virgin birth. Oh wait a minute that would make you 2,000 years old or close to that or can she just pop them out and upstairs and send them down to earth. Hey here is a thought, for your next confession you can tell Father Billy Bob that you prefer to have him use KY, so it won’t hurt as much.So do you like it better in the pew or in the confessional? Come on it is confession time after all.

          • pax2u

            so very sad that you need to resort to profanity on a Christian web site, some may find that offensive and ask it to be removed

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Please, oh please do have me removed. Don’t waste another moment. Contact the site owner and get me booted.

          • pax2u

            thank you for proving what kind of person that you are, and I hope your vulgar, nasty and profane post stands for all to see,

            thank you for being the example of the ignorant anti Catholic,

          • Le Cajun du foux

            I knew you would chicken out or more likely you have not the intelligence to figure out how to get me booted. I guess I have to go troll some sites where people actually have brains. So did your mother have any kids that lived?

          • pax2u

            you have proved your self useful as the face of hatred and bigotry, and I am grateful that you are alone,

            Le faux cajun Tomaso of Utah

          • pax2u

            so much hate and anger, no wonder you are alone with out a denomination, a church or any fellowship
            I ask all Christians here to pray for this poor angry soul

          • pax2u

            you have proved that you are not a Christian

            I will pray for you and for give you your hatred and you have my pity

          • pax2u

            I ask all who read this and do not agree with this hate to flag this post

          • pax2u

            this is the face of those who hate Catholics

            please pray for his soul

          • pax2u

            how many Christians on this website agree with this trash?

          • Phipps Mike

            Pax, although his comment was over the top, I do see where he is coming from. He made another comment to me in here how much he detests child sex abusers to the point he would like to kill them. I am sure you are aware of all of the sex abuses that were brought to light where the catholic bishops were guilty. There was a LOT of sex abuse going on and they were trying to cover it up and not deliver any kind of punishment for it.

          • pax2u

            no one has ever condoned the sexual abuse of a child, those who have abused a child should be prosecuted, tried and if guilty imprisoned, those who covered up any crime should be removed from any clerical position and if guilty of a crime also imprisoned.

            His statement was not made as a advocate of children, it was a disgusting, vile and profane comment by a hateful anti Catholic bigot

          • Phipps Mike

            did it occur to you that a good part of the reason he hates Catholics is BECAUSE of that coverup? Thats why I brought it up.

          • pax2u

            it could be but his saying that I am a Catlick or that I worship Mary or that the Pope is Poppa Satan, or that I am part of a false religion acceptable?

          • pax2u

            you may need to look up what a rube is, use a dictionary

          • pax2u

            Tomaso Sarducci, really?

            le faux cajun of utah

          • pax2u

            I got your “gander” up? do you know what a gander is?

            the phrase is “get your dander up” wow, you really are not educated

          • pax2u

            do the fake cajuns of utah use get your male goose up?.

          • pax2u

            it is best for you to run away and hide,

          • Le Cajun du foux

            I ain’t runnin anywhere. If you want to boot me then go ahead. Evidently you don’t understand sarcasm when it smacks you in the face. I don’t think you have the guts to do it.

          • pax2u

            I am sure that your knuckles dragging and your mouth breathing reduces your ability to run

            Tomasco Sanducci, the phony cajun, the Le Faux Cajun of Utah

            I do understand a profane and sick person who post filth on a Christian web site

            May God have mercy on your soul

          • Le Cajun du foux

            He already did 2,000 years ago when he sent His Son to die for me on the Cross. But thanx anyway.

          • pax2u

            It is best that your post stands to show all the lack of education and hateful bigotry of the lunatic fringe anti Catholic,

            I am thankful that you are alone and pray that your hatred does not physically harm anyone

            you are truly Le Faux Cajun, Tomaso of Utah

          • pax2u

            you are correct

            Please stay be the example of the hate filled, vulgar, profane, hate filled anti Christian, be the poster child of one who has no denomination, and posts disgusting smut , for all to see, please stay and show all what you are,

            I ask all Christians to pray for your eternal soul

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Why that is mighty nice of you. I never turn down prayers said for me.

          • pax2u

            you are doing us all a service by being an example of the uneducated knuckle dragging mouth breather, a phony cajun from Utah

            I am thankful that you are alone

            seek mental health care for your all consuming rage

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Not a bad idea, I wll go and find one of those catlick priest or bishops that have molested young boys and ask them to fix me craziness. yep that should do the trick. Can you recommend any? Seems you have had great success settling your consuming rage to just a rage. By the way did your mother have any kids that lived? Yeah and I am thankful I am alone from you and you are not anywhere near me. Maybe that is the cause of my consuming rage, being tempted by the chief catlick demon.

          • pax2u

            I appreciate your posts you do serve a useful purpose as the image of the ignorant and hateful anti Catholic bigot

            I am grateful that you are not a part of any denomination because no denomination would accept your bigotry, for that I am thankful

            Let me throw you a bone

            I forgive you
            I pity you
            I will pray for you

          • Le Cajun du foux

            I appreciate the bone, forgiveness, pity, and prayers but I still have to wonder if your mother had any kids that lived.

          • pax2u

            please continue to post, your juvenile comments are a testament to your hatred and bigotry

            I am thankful that you are not a part of any denomination

            I forgive you
            I pity you
            as a Christian, I will pray to the Christian God Jesus Christ for you

          • Le Cajun du foux

            juvenile? that is rich coming from one who repeats themselves like a 3 year old. So did your mother have any kids that lived?

          • pax2u

            again you show the world the face of the angry and bigoted anti Catholic, your theology is hating the Catholic Church, It is sad to see that it has consumed your soul

            statements such as “. So did your mother have any kids that lived?” manifest your level of discord, very sad,

            it is best that you are alone and are a part of no Christian denomination

            I forgive you
            I pity you
            as a Christian, I will pray to the Christian God Jesus Christ for you

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Well if calling out the heresy of the Catholic Church is bigoty, guilty as charged. Look I was raised int he Catholic church. I know what it is all about. It is not the face of Christianity and has not been since it started.

            As for my level of discord, I am just following you example. You started out by repetitive comments over and over and over. Then when I do follow your example you get all bent about it. So let me give you a little real Word of God and not the Catholic filtered version:”And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye. Give not that which is holy unto the dogs, neither cast ye your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn again and rend you.” Mathew 7:-6

            So if you are going to jump in here trashing all over me and expect me to lay down and kiss your boots, think again. As long as you persist I will persist. Get used to it. I don’t give a rat’s patoot how holy you think you are. The Pharisees thought they were Holy and Jesus condemned them. They worshiped idols that is their own self worth and works. As a Catholic apologist you will never see that your arrogance of pride is your own down fall but, then I am not the one to convict you of that, the Holy Spirit is if you will only let it. Not Mary, not the littany of Catholic declared saints can do that either. Those are also you idols and if you do no discard them for Jesus only, you will answer for your rejection of salvation. But it is not just the Catholic church where such problems exist, it is across the board, Baptist, Pentacostal, Methodist, Lutheran. Sadly much of the protestant denominations are sometimes worst than the Catholic church.

            Now that is not to say I have not met saints, those save by Jesus, being sanctified in this life in all denominations. They do exist. They also declare some form of denomination which you seem to find so very important but in reality is a worldly construct, not a Godly one. Most tell me they have chosen their churches for locality and for the fellowship of saintly brothers and sisters in such churches. Some have moved on from one denominational church to another as the one they were in descends into sinful worldliness.

            Go ahead and remain where you are if that is what you choose. I being the sinning leper have chosen to move on lest I die where I stand. “And there were four leprous men at the entering in of the gate: and they said one to another, Why sit we here until we die? If we say, We will enter into the city, then the famine is in the city, and we shall die there: and if we sit still here, we die also. Now therefore come, and let us fall unto the host of the Syrians: if they save us alive, we shall live; and if they kill us, we shall but die. And they rose up in the twilight, to go unto the camp of the Syrians: and when they were come to the uttermost part of the camp of Syria, behold,there was no man there. For the Lord had made the host of the Syrians to hear a noise of chariots, and a noise of horses, eventhe noise of a great host: and they said one to another, Lo, the king of Israel hath hired against us the kings of the Hittites, and the kings of the Egyptians, to come upon us. Wherefore they arose and fled in the twilight, and left their tents, and their horses, and their asses, even the camp as it was, and fled for their life. And when these lepers came to the uttermost part of the camp, they went into one tent, and did eat and drink, and carried thence silver, and gold, and raiment, and went and hid it; and came again, and entered into another tent, and carried thence also, and went and hid it.” 2 Kings 7:3-8.

            Now if you desire that I not persist in following your childish examples of repetitive comments, all you need but do is the same. But if you choose not to then I will follow YOUR example and do the same.

            Again, I ask did your mother have any kids that lived. Do you choose to reply or leave sleeping dogs lie. If you choose to persist then try praying to Mary or Joseph or some other church hallowed saint. Maybe they can do a better job than Jesus as the are elevated to the level of god by your sacred Catholic church. Or you just let it go and go your own way. If you respond I will know that you are not about what is right but about YOU being right. If that is what is important to you then go ahead and respond. But if you truly believe in the teachings of Jesus then you will walk away. Your call and I hope for your sake it is not a childish one.

          • pax2u

            so very sad that the anti Catholics need to defend their faith by lying about the theological doctrines of the Catholic Church

            You have said that Catholics worship Mary, but when you are asked to defend your statement with actual Catholic doctrine, Creed or the Catechism of the Catholic Church you change the subject, very sad

            I suppose that the anti Catholics with out a denomination that will accept their anger and bigotry must defend their decision with lies against others. I think it must be based on an insecurity that they are wrong and alone, and to justify their lack of a denomination they must attack another’s faith

            Matt 16

            17And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18″I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. 19″I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”…

            2000 years

            1.2 billion souls for the Christian God Jesus Christ

            and the gates of hell shall not prevail

            it is best that you are alone and are a part of no Christian denomination

            I forgive you
            I pity you
            as a Christian, I will pray to the Christian God Jesus Christ for you

          • pax2u

            “There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.”
            ― Fulton J. Sheen

          • Le Cajun du foux

            The only person who is saying I hate the catholic church is you. I never said I hate it. I just disagree with its religious practices and doctrines. Also I don’t perceive wrongly about the Catholic Church, 25 plus years attending it, I would say pretty much qualifies me to know what I am talking about.

          • pax2u

            I am sorry and I apologize
            I was wrong to say that you hate the theological doctrines of the Catholic Church

            I can not disagree with your denominations theology since you have no denomination

            If you say that Catholics worship Mary, you should be able to demonstrate the Catholic doctrine that agrees with your statement ,please prove your theological support

          • Le Cajun du foux

            So I gave you the info just before. It is more in the practice of Catholic ritualism such as praying the rosary, even praying to a dead lady as if she has any ability even closely related to divine abilities to forgive sin or bestow grace. It is satanic trickery and is not obviously seen but very much related to Egyptian worship of the goddess Isis. It is a subtle reference to be sure but it is still exactly what it is. Remember Jesus and the prophets all warned against idol worship. Praying to anything is a form of worship. We pray with expectation that our prayers will be answered but Mary cannot answer any prayers. As a dead saint she can offer humanity nothing more than an example from what little we really know about her.

          • pax2u

            Mary interceded at the Marriage at Cana, and asked Jesus to act for those in the marriage celebration

            We ask others to pray for us

            James 5:16

            16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working.

            I will pray for you and I ask you to pray for me
            when I ask you to pray for me I am not worshiping you and I do not consider you to be God

            Maybe you have NEVER prayed for another, I can understand we some like you would NEVER pray for another

            Do you believe that Heaven is Empty?

            I believe that the Holy who have died, their bodies are dead and the souls are alive in Heaven with God

            I do not limit God or Heaven

            I honor Mary and the Saints, I do not worship Mary and the Saint,

            I honor the American flag

            At the fourth of July parade when the flag goes by I stand, take my hate off, put my hand over my heart to honor the flag, someone who is ignorant may accuse my of worshiping the Flag as an idol, but that would be ignorance

            too bad you base your theology on attacked the faiths of others, maybe that is why you belong to no denomination.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Yes she did and she was alive at that time. Now she has long passed away. Yes we ask others to pray for us but we ask the living not the dead as in dead in body. Only Jesus is alive with a resurrected and perfected body. No person is.

            Of course I pray for people all the time, I pray for my family my friends and those others ask me to pray for. But there is no church ordained prayer that I use when I do. I don’t say Hail, Johns or Hail Bill or Hail Susies. If you pray the rosary and if you are a good catholic you do then you say your Hail Mary’s. That is not scriptural. If you go confess your sins to a priest and are given penance you say your Hail Mary’s. In so doing we are taking our focus off of Jesus and putting it on a human. We don’t pray to Paul the apostle who had a greater impact on doing the work of God in church creation in Asia minor. If anyone should get special consideration it should be Paul

            Now what it appears you are doing as an apologist is to twist meanings. Not that you are alone in that. Everyone does it. It is a part of you sinful human nature. Claiming that praying to Mary is not elevating her to the level of God. But it is when it takes our focus off of Jesus. That is the trickery of Satan. In the garden he told Eve that she would surely not die. And when she ate the apple as it were she was still alive but in body only. See Satan knew the meaning that God was using and the dead God spoke of was spiritually. It was a small thing of twisting one definition for another. So it is with venerating Mary and the catholic ordained saints. It may seem like you are just seeking their assistance as mediators before Jesus, when in fact it is trickery to get your focus off of Jesus. I don’t know if you will ever understand that. I do.

            Of course I do not believe Heaven is empty. I could get techincal and say Jesus is there and leave out those who have gone before because they have not yet their resurrected bodies. I could also say that Elijah is there as he never died. But I don’t pray to Elijah, I pray to the Father in the name of Jesus. I keep my focus on the diety of Christ and do not allow for the distractions of what men say as leaders of the church. That is the difference where I make the distinction. If I attend any church in worship I am not claiming the denomination. You will find me in various churches but mainly in the home church not unlike you will find in China where the churches that are allowed are closely monitored by the state. Yet home churches and their small congregations are hotly hunted. You have to ask yourself why that is. If the state allows for a church then what difference should it make if a few people are gathering peacefully in a home. But that is exactly what happens. It is what the Catholic church did in the middle ages at the time of the Reformation.

            I do not claim a denomination because those are man made constructs. When man enters into the picture, corruption follows. I go strickly to the source of Grace and Mercy. In so doing a denomination is not necessary. Likewise I still have fellowship with brothers and sisters in Christ and I don’t fault them if they choose to participate in a denominational church. I love them regardless. The beggar on the street that I share with has no denomination and more often than not does not know the Gospel of Christ Jesus but I do not fault them for that. But if they ask I got straight to Scripture. I do not send them to a priest, I do not tell them to pray for the dead. Only one died on the cross for the forgiveness of sins and Mary nor any Catholic ordained saint did. Peter was crucified just as Jesus was but his death did not pay the penalty for my sins as his was not a sinless life. Mary likewise did not live a sinless life. Only Jesus did that and was still crucified and as such was the lamb without spot or blemish, the final sacrifice.

            Where you seem to be caught up in denominational truth disputes, I have left that behind. They have no meaning on my salvation nor my sanctification. That is why I do no belong to a denomination. I have matured in my faith that I am no longer on the milk of the Gospel. I have moved onto the meat of scripture.

          • pax2u

            you post this

            “I don’t say Hail, Johns or Hail Bill or Hail Susies.”

            the angel of God should not be mocked

            Luke 1:28

            “the angel came in unto her, and said, Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women.”

          • pax2u

            by lying about the faith of Christians you are sinning against God and taking the focus away from God

          • pax2u

            so you acknowledge that you can not prove the Catholic Doctrine that Catholics worship Mary as God

            I appreciate you honesty that you statement was an ignorant Lie, thank you

          • pax2u

            If you disagree with the theology of another faith I can honor that and appreciate it as an honest disagreement

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Agreed then as in agree to disagree with each other’s point of view which is after all the definition of bigotry. That is why when I am called a bigot I have no hard feeling about it and readily admit it. I disagree with almost all that I was taught in Catholic school and the catholic religion because so much of it is in direct contradiction to the Bible and much of it is very subtle diversions from scripture as to mislead. In short it is deceptive. Those that would deceive and do so intentionally are evil dishonest or ignorantly dishonest. Sadly I see at the lay person in it is the latter because of the top of the hieracrhy it is the former. The Catholic Church has been too deeply involved in political events in its earliest days and was not interested in its members It gives the impression that there is and interest in the lay people when in fact it is just an opportunity to collect more and more funds.

          • pax2u

            knowingly and willfully lying about another’s faith is not disagreeing, it is bigotry

            your knowledge of the Catholic Church is actually very weak

            It really is pointless trying to discuss denominational theology with some without a denomination, who lies about another person’s faith, accusing their faith of Paganism, Satanic Trickery, and being deceptive and evil

            with over 30 thousand denominations I am not surprised that you are alone

          • pax2u

            THE definition of Bigotry and Bigot

            n.noun

            The attitude, state of mind, or behavior characteristic of a bigot; intolerance.

            Bigot

            One who is strongly partial to one’s own group, religion, race, or politics and is intolerant of those who differ.

            thankfully you are a group of just you,

            This thanksgiving I am thankful that you are alone with out a denomination

          • pax2u

            since you are an educated individual please list the heresies of the Catholic Church DIRECTLY from

            the Official Catholic Theological Doctrine
            the Official Catholic Creeds
            the Official Catholic Catechism

            not from a crazy anti Catholic Preacher
            not from a crazy anti Catholic link
            not from a crazy anti Catholic website, such as the Jack Chick hate comic book

            as an educated individual you understand the meaning of words such as Mary being the co-redemptrix

            since co is derived from the latin word cum as in magna cum lauda or WITH great honor

            as the co pilot is WITH the PILOT

            as Mary was WITH the Christian Savior Jesus Christ from his birth until his death

            if you believe that the Catholic Church elevates anyone equal to GOD the Christian Holy Trinity, please provide a citation from official Catholic theological doctrine that the Catholic Church worships ANYONE other than

            God the Father
            God the Son
            God the Holy Spirit

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Let us start with Mary. How about the perpetual virginity of Mary. To avoid any denominational troubles I will use just Wikipedia and this is what it says: From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

            The Vladimir Eleusa icon of the Ever Virgin Mary. The Aeiparthenos (Ever Virgin) title is widely used in Eastern Orthodox liturgy.[1]

            The doctrine of the perpetual virginity of Mary expresses the Virgin Mary’s “real and perpetual virginity even in the act of giving birth to Jesus the Son of God made Man”.[2][3] According to the doctrine, Mary was ever-virgin (Greek:ἀειπάρθενος aeiparthenos) for the whole of her life, making Jesus her only biological son, whose conception and birth are held to be miraculous.[2][3]

            By the fourth century, the doctrine was widely supported by the Church Fathers, and by the seventh century it had been affirmed in a number of ecumenical councils.[4][5][6] The doctrine is part of the teaching of Catholicism and Anglo-Catholics, as well as Eastern and Oriental Orthodoxy, as expressed in their liturgies, in which they repeatedly refer to Mary as “ever virgin”.[7][8][9]

            Now from Bibleinfo.com we have this about Jesus’ human family at the time of his first advent: Jesus’ brothers are mentioned as accompanying Jesus and his mother to Capernaum after the marriage at Cana (John 2:12). Later Mary and these brothers are recorded as seeking an audience with Jesus (Matthew 12:46-50; Mark 3:31-35; Luke 8:19-21). Toward the end of Jesus’ ministry, His brethren are mentioned as urging Jesus to prove His Messiahship, which they themselves doubted (John 7:3-5). That they were later converted is clear, for they are described in Acts as uniting with the disciples and others in “prayer and supplication” prior to Pentecost (Acts 1:13-14). Paul implies that they were all married (1 Corinthians 9:5).

            Many commentators hold that the author of the epistle of Jude, who identifies himself as the “brother of James,” was one of these brothers (Jude 1). It is also generally believed that the leader of the church at Jerusalem was James, the Lord’s brother (see Acts 12:17; 15:13). This seems to be confirmed by Paul’s reference to his visit to Jerusalem, in which he states that he saw only Peter, and “James, the Lord’s brother” (Galatians 1:18-19).

            The fact that Paul makes mention is a pretty safe bet he was not lying as he had been converted at that time and ardently living the very devout Christian life.

            Now lets move on to the theology of purgatory. From Wikipedia again: Purgatory, according to Catholic Church doctrine, is an intermediate state after physical death in which those destined for heaven “undergo purification, so as to achieve the holiness necessary to enter the joy of heaven”.[1]Only those who die in the state of grace but have not in life reached a sufficient level of holiness can be in Purgatory, and therefore no one in Purgatory will remain forever in that state or go to hell. This theological notion has ancient roots and is well-attested in early Christian literature, but the poetic conception of Purgatory as a geographically existing place is largely the creation of medieval Christian piety and imagination.[2]

            The notion of Purgatory is associated particularly with the Latin Rite of the Catholic Church (in the Eastern sui juris churches or rites it is a doctrine, though it is not often called “Purgatory”, but the “final purification” or the “final theosis”); Anglicans of the Anglo-Catholic tradition generally also hold to the belief, along with many Lutherans of High Church Lutheranism. Eastern Orthodox Churches believe in the possibility of a change of situation for the souls of the dead through the prayers of the living and the offering of the Divine Liturgy, and many Orthodox, especially among ascetics, hope and pray for a general apocatastasis.[3] Judaism also believes in the possibility of after-death purification and may even use the word “purgatory” to present its understanding of the meaning of Gehenna.[4] However, the concept of soul “purification” may be explicitly denied in these other faith traditions.

            The word “Purgatory”, derived through Anglo-Norman and Old French from the Latin word purgatorium,[5] has come to refer also to a wide range of historical and modern conceptions of postmortem suffering short of everlasting damnation,[2] and is used, in a non-specific sense, to mean any place or condition of suffering or torment, especially one that is temporary.[6]

            Now there is nothing in Scipture to even indicate that such a place exist or that it is a necessary step from this life to life eternal. There is however this in Hebrews that points to a direct step to judgment: And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: Hebrews 9:27 Now in John 14:3 even Jesus says that He recieves the redeemed unto Himself: And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.

            I mean that right there is just the start. Yet so much of the ritualism in the Catholic church can be traced to Pagan rituals. Look at easter which should be the celebration of the resurrection of Jesus only but is laced with all manner of pagan symbolism of fertility rites, eggs, bunnies, etc.

            Even confession in the Catholic church has people believing that a priest can be the forgiver of sins unto slavation maintenance. Nothing could be further from the truth. Confession is made to God and to those we have wronged in some manner or antother.

          • pax2u

            you do realize that you are using the Eastern Orthodox Church and I am a Catholic of the Latin rite

            do you really think that the eggs and bunnies are part of the Catholic theological doctrines? really?

            The Priest hears our confession Jesus Christ forgives us our sons. Too bad that you do not understand Catholic theology

            It is really pointless to discuss theological doctrine with some who has no denomination and wants to considers the Catholic Church pagan

            You appear to have issues with all denominations

            “it is not just the Catholic church where such problems exist, it is across the board, Baptist, Pentacostal, Methodist, Lutheran. Sadly much of the protestant denominations are sometimes worst than the Catholic church.”

          • Le Cajun du foux

            “You appear to have issues with all denominations” Yes I do when they depart from straight Scripture. I have a problem with the denominational hierarchy but not with the Christians who attend their churches. There are many in all denominations that are true Christians and the are many more who claim the name but are not.

            Why do Catholics confess to a priest? No where in Scripture are to we to confess our sins except to God and to those we have sinned against. I don’t need a priest to absolve me. I have Jesus who died on the cross to pay for my sins and they are fogiven whether I confess them or not that is the work that Jesus did giving His life for mine. Whether that is imparted to me depends on whether I confess them.

          • pax2u

            James 5

            16 Therefore, confess your sins to one another, and pray for one another

          • pax2u

            please post the scriptural book, chapter and verse that we are to ONLY confess to God, or those who we have sinned?

          • pax2u

            so as an anti Catholic bigot, do you have a denomination?

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Did Peter have a denomination, did Pau, John, Timothy? I have no denomination. So even though I was brought up in the Catholic church but learned the truth of what they teach that makes me a bigot to Catholicsm, then I am also a bigot to Mormonism, Baptist, Lutheran, Jehovas Witness and the rest. So what is you point?

          • pax2u

            what makes you a bigot, let us see

            Catlick?

            Poppa Satan?

            idolatry of Mary worship?

            false Chrisitianity that is Catholicism?

            no wonder you do not belong to a church or denomination

            also the Puritans escaped the persecution of the Protestant Church of England

          • Le Cajun du foux

            What makes you a hypocrite is pax2u and coming here jumping on the hate band wagon. Catlick is the common pronunciation used in N’Awlins, just as yall is used. Poppa Satan is the same as Jesus said calling Satan the father of all lies. The reason Israel was punished time and time again was for idolatry, that is worship of idols. Those who elevate Mary to co-redempterist are elevating her to the level of an idol. The cautholic church’s current move to ecumenicalism is false Christianity that Jesus warned of the bringing in of false doctrines. When the Pope agrees to pray to Allah, he has rejected the very Son of God. Take your peace to hell with you when you go.

          • pax2u

            and UNeducacated morrrron is a pronunciation for an uneducated moron

            hey cletus d yokul I pray that you get some of dem der shoes

          • pax2u

            I wish you peace and forgive you but you are alone and I am thankful

          • pax2u

            so you use the pronunciation of N’Awlins, in UTAH? you really are a phony a true Le faux cajun

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Hey don’t people move? I was born and raised on the bayou. I left and now gladly so since the oil well catastrophe of a couple of years back. I am working to get the rest of my family out of there. I have a sister and a very old father still living not 30 miles from the Gulf coast. It is not a safe place to live. So let me oxplain sumting to ya. Le Cajun du foux translate to Crazy Cajun not fake Cajun. And the Utah bit was an attempt to get some ire going but nobody here seems to realize the new central HQ for the NSA is now in Utah. Sure the Maryland facility still exist but more as a back up for the new Utah facility. Since no one caught on, I dropped it. I like Utah. It has some beautiful scenery and great places to hike and camp but not a place I would choose to live. No I don’t live in Bayou country either as I did move away. I just live somewhere out west.

          • pax2u

            so you are le faux cajun of Utah, what a phony

          • pax2u

            crazy adjinformal (person: insane)fou, folle adj There was a crazy man on the metro today. Il y avait un fou dans le métro ce matin.crazy adjinformal (act: foolish)fou, folle adj folie nf

            foux is not french

          • Phipps Mike

            yes you do, you are a fundamentalist.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Thanks for the compliment. I never considered myself to be one but you have convinced me I am and I am damn proud of it. Rather be a fundamentalist serving Jesus in eternity than a double mind Jesus rejector serving Satan in hell. You have done you good fake Christian deed for the day. It gets you a brownie point but does not get you salvation. That is only through the shed blood of Jesus.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Since you are a fundie and kiss the boots of Pat Robertson you would not know what the Bible says.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            I would not touch Pat Robertson with a ten foot poll. He is a NWO shill.

          • pax2u

            the fake cajun from utah has proven his quality of character today here

          • Phipps Mike

            “I am defending scripture and nothing more. ”
            you are defending a MAN written piece of garbage (KJV) that has been twisted and manipulated to suit bigots such as Kings and yourself.
            You and all of your ilk (friends) FORGET that the USA was founded to ESCAPE RELIGIOUS PERSECUTION. Then you do the same to Gays that the Catholics did to protestants, You persecute them. Shut up already.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            I won’t disagree, Scripture was penned by the hand of man and also translated by the same. But the inspiration for the words come from God. It is the wolves like you who twist it and use it for evil purposes. Yes people came to this Americas to escape religious persecution but you know nothing about it. It was Evangelical called Puritans who were escaping the Catholic church after the Reformation. You should study your history a little closer and be less bellicose in your rants. You might pass as an intelligent person. But then any who fly off the handle offended at the slightest thing are never intelligent just childish fools.

          • Phipps Mike

            “It is the wolves like you who twist it and use it for evil purposes.”
            actually that would be YOU OPPRESSORS that twist it.
            The puritans WERE Protestant, duhhhhh. ANYTHING that was a different belief than Catholicism WAS protestant, The word PROTEST means against Catholicisms belief. Maybe YOU should study more. See Martin Luther.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Duh, that was my point. The Puritans were Protestant and they were also evangelical in their belief. If you ever studied anything you would know that. They were not like the evangelicals of today many of which claim Christianity but are nothing more than money lovers, the name it-claim it preachers. So you are talking to a man raised in the Catholic church who had his eyes opened to the truth of Scripture. You don’t think I don’t already know what little dribble you may have stumbled across. So where is this mountain of statistical trash…oops you called it proof. Oh well I am known for calling a spade a spade. Waiting.

          • Phipps Mike

            ” So where is this mountain of statistical trash…oops you called it proof.” so even if my wife comes in here with PROOF, because it goes against YOUR beliefs, its trash, But you expect US to believe YOUR proof? Ummm it doesn’t work that way. Since when is YOUR resources more credible than ours?
            Regardless if we did provide very credible proof, you will still CHOOSE to not believe it, So you are wasting my time.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Wrong, You have not mountain of stats because if you did you provide them just for others to read besides me to make your point to more people. You are a coward and a fake and a fraud and a liar and definitely not a Christian as you claim I am not because you are bashing me, calling me names So if I am not a Christian for that reason then neither are you. But if you are a Chriistian than so am I. You can’t have it both ways. God does not accept double mindedness any more than he accepts the sins of homosexuality nor the real biggy you have going self pride. So it is not a waste of time it is that you are too lazy to build that mountain and then bring it here much less have a fake wife do it for you. For a 51 year old man you ain’t learnt a whole llot in this life.

          • Phipps Mike

            ok, I will send her in, and if you want to TALK to her, she should be off the phone in about 10-15 minutes. If you have free long distance: 262-456-4723 she is VERY REAL.

          • Phipps Mike

            Another problem related to terminology arises because sexual abuse of male children by adult men2 is often referred to as “homosexual molestation.” The adjective “homosexual” (or “heterosexual” when a man abuses a female child) refers to the victim’s gender in relation to that of the perpetrator. Unfortunately, people sometimes mistakenly interpret it as referring to the perpetrator’s sexual orientation.

            As an expert panel of researchers convened by the National Academy of Sciences noted in a 1993 report: “The distinction between homosexual and heterosexual child molesters relies on the premise that male molesters of male victims are homosexual in orientation. Most molesters of boys do not report sexual interest in adult men, however” (National Research Council, 1993, p. 143, citation omitted).

            To avoid this confusion, it is preferable to refer to men’s sexual abuse of boys with the more accurate label of male-malemolestation. Similarly, it is preferable to refer to men’s abuse of girls as male-female molestation. These labels are more accurate because they describe the sex of the individuals involved but don’t implicitly convey unwarranted assumptions about the perpetrator’s sexual orientation.
            Typologies of
            OffendersThe distinction between a victim’s gender and a perpetrator’s sexual orientation is important because many child molesters don’t really have an adult sexual orientation. They have never developed the capacity for mature sexual relationships with other adults, either men or women. Instead, their sexual attractions focus on children – boys, girls, or children of both sexes.

            http://psychology.ucdavis.edu/faculty_sites/rainbow/html/facts_molestation.html

            thats one from ME…. she will be in soon.

          • Lika Saliscente

            I am unsure why when a child is assaulted and there is a big deal made that the perpetrator is gay. The real big deal is that a child was sexually abused.

            I am speaking as a health care professional of almost 12 years, a crisis counselor/victim advocate for victims of domestic violence and sex abuse, as well as the founder of Youth Voice Initiative, a registered 501c4.
            https://sites.google.com/site/youthvoiceinitiative/home

            A pedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to children, regardless of gender. It is that innocence and lack of puberty that attracts that person. Pedophilia affects more men than it does women. Pedophiles’ brains are usually smaller, because the amount of white matter is smaller than the normal person. This is information from several scientific sites, including Web MD and Huffington Post.

            Homosexuality is linked with the X chromosome, the gender chromosome, which has nothing to do with the size of the brain. The relationships are with peers. The rate of pedophilia amongst heterosexual people is higher than in homosexual people. Fact. Gays are in consensual & adult relationships. Does this mean there are NO gays who are also pedophiles? Of course not. This means that there is a ratio that equates to the same amount of gay and straight pedophiles respectively.

            Pedophiles are committing sex abuse on the children they assault. Here are links to show you that there IS a huge difference between the two groups.

            University of California – Davis psychology department:
            http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2014/11/study-gay-brothers-may-confirm-x-chromosome-link-homosexuality

            Science News – Study
            http://news.sciencemag.org/biology/2014/11/study-gay-brothers-may-confirm-x-chromosome-link-homosexuality

            National Institute of Health –
            http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6512871

            Daily Kos –
            http://www.dailykos.com/story/2010/09/18/903178/-Gays-are-pedophiles-No-Here-s-the-proof#

            A genetic study states that there may be a correlation of in utero hormones vs. being homosexual.
            http://www.mygenes.co.nz/summary.htm

            And an interesting article in Times magazine that you will never see about pedophiles, but here is why gay people are just as acceptable as straight people in the eyes of God –
            http://time.com/2842044/gay-christians/

            For the reality check that we are human in relation of gay/straight orientation
            http://notalllikethat.org/taking-god-at-his-word-the-bible-and-homosexuality/

            On the other hand, Christians also address that pedophilia is too sinful to forgive
            http://thewartburgwatch.com/2012/07/02/towards-a-christian-response-to-pedophilia-in-the-church/

            So, the issue here ought to be about the child molestation, and not about what gay person is a pedophile. Those who change that issue to divert attention away from the fact that a child was sexually abused ought to be ashamed of themselves.

          • Phipps Mike

            thats my wife and just in case you want to get stupid and say she isnt because the last name difference, its because she goes by that name online so nobody gets confused at the change within her YVI association: http://journaltimes.com/lifestyles/announcements/weddings/morishita-saliscente-phipps-wedding/article_3e3b9b70-410c-11e0-ba30-001cc4c03286.html Also, notice on that wedding engagement that my father in law is a Reverend and he is the MAIN pastor at Atonement Lutheran Church for the past 26 years. ELCA church and even HE supports gays, Bet ya didn’t see that coming, huh!

          • Phipps Mike

            just in case you didnt see this below under my wifes comment:
            thats my wife and just in case you want to get stupid and say she isnt because the last name difference, its because she goes by that name online so nobody gets confused at the change within her YVI association: http://journaltimes.com/lifest… Also, notice on that wedding engagement that my father in law is a Reverend and he is the MAIN pastor at Atonement Lutheran Church for the past 26 years. ELCA church and even HE supports gays, Bet ya didn’t see that coming, huh!

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Well if he supports gays as in to let them remain in sin then that is his downfall. The world is full of pastors who are not true Christians, Onsteen comes to mind. I served with a Baptist Minister Chaplain and he would pretty much tell you all that I am telling you. You are full of it. You guys will probably have a grand old time swimming hotly together.

          • Phipps Mike

            you are pretty vain to think you know more than a 26 year Pastor who is chalk full of accreditation and has a credentials list as long as my arm. He even says that fundamentalism is not only a “sickness” but its also a show of no common sense.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Those were the very people that Jesus had to contend with. They were full of themselves with all their position. I know what the Bible says, I believe what the Bible says and it says homosexuality is a sin. You want to claim it is a condition or an illness then go find a cure.

          • Phipps Mike

            the word homosexuality does NOT appear in ANY Bible predating 1850. Even if it did. that was the part that man manipulated. God did NOT say anything that would show favoritism or hate.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            No it is not. but the definition is implied in Leviticus. So now you speak for God knowing his intention. No I am a staunch anti-Calvinist but you take Arminianism to depths of depravity. Keep at it you may convert me to being a Calvinist.

          • Phipps Mike

            check this out: “Christian perfectionAccording to Wesley’s teaching, Christians could attain a state of practical perfection, meaning a lack of all voluntary sin by the empowerment of the Holy Spirit, in this life. Christian perfection (or entire sanctification), according to Wesley, is “purity of intention, dedicating all the life to God” and “the mind which was in Christ, enabling us to walk as Christ walked.”
            I see a LOT of this kind of thinking and claims going on in here. I 100% disagree that any resident of the United States can reach this kind of state. The closest i have seen to do that are Buddhists monks because of their beliefs that everything is connected.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            I agree that 100% sanctification is impossible save it be the will of God for a given person. Not even Paul who is considered for his work the greats of the Apostles achieved that status in this life. Sadly as much as Budhist are often more Christian like than many so called Christians, they lack the most important thing and that is the saving grace of Jesus’ death for there sins and the eternal hope of everlasting life by his resurrection. Nice people just not saved.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            No one is saved. You have to die first before you know if anyone’s going to “save” you.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Really? So present faith in the shed blood of Jesus has absolutely no meaning. So if that is the case we should all live it up molesting children, being homosexuals, murdering, stealing,lying and hope we are one of the lucky ones. Now what I don’t understand more so of the “if anyone’s going to “save” you” who are my choices. Do I get to pick who is going to save me? Wow that is great, I pick Paul, Moses, and Elijah. I hope they all got saved so they can save me.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Jesus is the one to save you, obviously. But for you to walk around calling yourself “saved” before you die is like walking around calling yourself “digested” 3 hours before you eat. It’s crazy, it’s putting words in God’s mouth, and it’s the hallmark of insane fundamentalist Christianity. Avoid it!

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Well where is the faith in that. If I can see it with my own eyes, there is no faith. I don’t know about you but Jesus talked a lot about faith in the unseen. You really don’t understand a single thing of the Gospel of Christ Jesus do you?

          • BeWhoYouAre

            You don’t know the first thing about my faith. But I know plenty about yours. You follow the Fundie 101 guidebook pretty much from start to finish. Call yourself “saved” all you like. You and I both know you have to stand before God.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Really? it has been displayed all over this place. You are a lover of false doctrine that tickles the ears and of idol worship of self. As for what you think you know about mine, guess again. remember I am a self admitted liar. I might be just like you and you will never know it. Don’t beleive every thing people post on forums. Some of us have been doing it a very long time even before the internet. We know how to be very manipulative or do we. You will never know. I could tell you the truth and you will be so mixed up you would never realize it or I can tell you a lie and you would take it as the truth. First rule of war never let the enemy know what you are planning. So nothing here is as it seems, bwahahahahahahahaha that was me inserting my sinister laugh and you for being so gulible.

          • Phipps Mike

            “But for you to walk around calling yourself “saved” before you die is like walking around calling yourself “digested” 3 hours before you eat…”
            THIS time I have to take Le Cajuns side. John 3:16 is the verse that gives the whole idea of how to be saved: “That whosoever believeth in him shall not perish and have everlasting life”.
            Le Cajun was right in addressing: then where is the FAITH in that? Faith is the other core value in the Bible because we cannot SEE God, we HAVE to use faith.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            We’ll have to agree to disagree on that one I guess, I don’t agree with a living person calling themselves “saved” because we don’t know if they are. I realize you see it a different way. But in Cajun Boob’s case he tossed the “saved” word around so self-righteously I hope you can see why it’s offensive in his case.

          • Phipps Mike

            I have to wonder what YOU think will save you.are you Christian?

          • BeWhoYouAre

            I simply STRIVE for salvation, but it is a lifelong thing – at no point will I ever feel “there, that’s good enough.”

          • Phipps Mike

            first you have to BELIEVE theres a God, but if you didnt, that salvation you seek is nonsensical because WHO is going to deliver it to you if he doesnt exist? “……thats good enough” would be a TIME issue as to the validity of it. If Cajun died TOMORROW, he is CURRENTLY in good standing with the lord, therefore he IS “saved” currently. Now the next part differs between faiths. I was taught as a Baptist that once you are saved, unless you denounce Christ completely, you are ALWAYS saved. That becomes the crux of my argument with most folks in here. They want to make it that just backsliding removes your good standing with the lord. I know that once saved you are to do your best possible to NOT sin, but if you backslide, you are NOT removed from his list.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Yes, I’m sorry, we come from different Christian backgrounds, I was raised Catholic and they don’t do OSAS and they have a different understanding of how salvation works. I didn’t mean to offend you and respect your beliefs. It’s only the beliefs of people who hate that I don’t respect.

          • Phipps Mike

            I wasnt offended by any means. because there is absolutely NO proof whatsoever of how we came to be, I respect any belief that doesnt include oppression of humans to the point that somebody is suffering as a result. Thats my prob with fundies. They OPPRESS SSM when I see NO sense whatsoever in God even worrying about a small inconsequential issue such as that. Heteros will keep humans going with or without gays around so there is NO danger of humans becoming extinct.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Then he is one of the false teachers Jesus warned about in the end of days. That explains a lot about you. You have never learned the truth from scripture because you reject it as a good bigot that you are and you follow what false teachers tell you to tickle your ears. Eternity in the lake of fire is a very long time.

            The fact that he is a false teacher shows he has no common sense. I guess the next thing you will tell me is that Jesus was not resurrected it is one of those false stories or fables. Or is it just the stories like Exodus or the Great flood that are all just false fables in your eyes. With you it is hard to tell. But what is easy to see by your fruits you are not a Christian, just a pretender.

          • Phipps Mike

            He has a doctorate in theology, what do YOU have?

          • Le Cajun du foux

            The Pharisees that Jesus chastised were educated theologians as well. means little. Now Jesus did not have a degree in theology nor did Peter. Paul murdered Christians for their so called fundamental beliefs but was converted by Jesus. If you cannot accept Jesus in all aspects of who He is, then you are rejecting him. He is God, He is Just, He is merciful, He is loving, and He will send people to hell. Will you be counted among them or among the redeemed uneducated believers who have the simple child like faith in Jesus and His word.

          • pax2u

            le faux cajun,

            speaks for the uneducated

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Don’t let the name fool you. And make sure you know how the name is being used. I have a college education and I live a full life of family and friends which any Cajun does. It does not make one uneducated to be a Cajun not even one claiming to be crazy which is a title because of the way Cajuns live off the land. Before you go making insinuations, check things out first.

          • pax2u

            le faux cajun, here is a clue since you speak for the uneducated your name is not the fool

            so tell us how the Puritans left the religious persecution of the Catholic Church from PROTESTANT England and Holland

            I really hope that you were not a History or Theology major

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Nope I am neither. But you miss the point and sadly I must admit I was not clear on it. The persecution that the Puritans fled from was from England and from the Protestant church of England but that church is only protestant in name and still uses the same rites and rituals as the Catholic church. But if you want to get really technical the first persecutors of Christians were the Jews. Look at Paul before his conversion.

            Even so the Puritans were very staunch fundamentalist and that is why they had to leave England and the Protestant church of England because the doctrine and dogma was Roman Catholic based and still is to this day. Now that is the official state church of England not the Protestant off shoots like Baptist, Lutheran etc.

          • pax2u

            wow talk about revisionist history, when the PROTESTANTS of England were murdering Catholics for keeping their faith, you really are uneducated, and Le Faux Cajun

            there is no french word as foux, the french for crazy is fou

          • Le Cajun du foux

            French in France use fou, Cajuns use foux. Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

          • pax2u

            really tomaso?

          • pax2u

            what do the fake cajuns in utah use tomaso?

          • pax2u

            are you really saying that the official state church of England is the Catholic Church, wow did you go to barber college?

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Talk about uneducated, you can’t even read or you are stirring up trouble for trouble’s sake. I said the Church of England uses the same rites and rituals as the Catholic church, they hold mass the same way, have communion and even their hierarchy is the same with priest and bishops. Did your mother have any kids that lived?

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Same question to you, when are you resources more credible than mine? Your right it does not work that way. Yes that is what I believe. I take it on faith. that is what a belief is taking some thing not known on faith. You are right I will not believe lies and twisted thinking of the likes of Freud and all that follow his dogma including you wife. If counseling is not Biblically based then it Satanically inspired. It is all so much theory with no factual evidence to back it up. Sure people create the facts they need to claim it is but that does not make it Truth. There is only one Truth and if you were a true Christian not just claiming the name you would know that. You know I have flown so I can claim I am a bird but it is not truth. So trying to pawn yourself off as a Christian regardless of what church you used to attend and claiming your father-in-law is a minister does not bolster your lies to the level of Truth. As Jesus said, He is the TRUTH, the way, and the life, no one can come to God except through Him. That is the Truth not some stupid psychobabble you and your wife spew out.

          • Phipps Mike

            “Same question to you, when are you resources more credible than mine? ”

            I already proved the doctor you quoted about how homosexuals are all pedophiles, was balked at by other scientists when she provided her sloppy research to a judicial committee. Then I proved that since homosexuals have ADULT partners, which pedophiles are NOT attracted to, that it debunks that ridiculous theory as well. My wife doesn’t credit Freud, nor do I.

            ” If counseling is not Biblically based then it Satanically inspired.”

            ANOTHER stupid statement. BEFORE there was even religion, people already had morals. Its a no brainer that you shall not murder, steal etc.. That is an INHERENT way of living to EVERYBODY alive, including atheists.

          • JohntheB

            I never knew that the Puritans escaped the persecution of the Catholic Church in England in the 17th century

            I learn a lot here

          • Phipps Mike

            “Puritans The Puritans came to the New England colonies to escape religious persecution. The Puritans later gave birth to the Baptists and the Congregationalists. Led by John Winthrop, 900 Puritan colonists landed in Massachusetts Bay. Managing to endure the hardships of pioneer life and accustomed to caring for each other’s needs, they prospered, and their numbers grew from 17,800 in 1640 to 106,000 in 1700. Their attempt to “purify” the Church of England and their own lives was based on the teachings of John Calvin. Using the New Testament as their model, they believed that each congregation and each person individually was responsible to God. Their belief that their destiny was predetermined, their self-imposed isolation, and religious exclusivity, would later lead to witch hunts beginning in 1688. The expulsion of Roger Williams in 1636 and Anne Hutchinson in 1638 was caused by their neighbors’ fear of “evil” in their midst. The Puritans also were responsible for the first free schooling in America and established the first American college, Harvard College, in Cambridge, Massachusetts.”

            ” Europeans came to America to escape religious oppression and forced beliefs by such state-affiliated Christian churches as the Roman Catholic Church and the Church of England. That civil unrest fueled the desire of America’s forefathers to establish the organization of a country in which the separation of church and state, and the freedom to practice one’s faith without fear of persecution, was guaranteed. That guarantee was enshrined in the First Amendment to theConstitution (text) as, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”

            source: http://www.u-s-history.com/pages/h3787.html

          • pax2u

            so is Thanksgiving the American Holiday of the Protestant puritans fleeing the persecution of 17th century Roman Catholic England?

          • Phipps Mike

            actually: “The notion that the first Thanksgiving was some kind of cross-cultural love-fest, as it has been portrayed, is also disputed by historians, who say that the settlers and the Indians were brought together less by genuine friendship than by the extremity of their mutual need. The two struggling communities were never more than wary allies against other tribes.

            The colonists were contemptuous of the Indians, who they regarded as uncivilized and satanic heathens, and the fragile early peace between Native Americans and the early settlers would soon unravel in a horrific manner in what is now Mystic Connecticut, where the Pequot tribe was celebrating their own Thanksgiving, the green corn festival. In the predawn hours, settlers– not the Pilgrims, but a band of Puritans– descended on their village and shot, clubbed and burned alive over 700 native men, woman and children.

            This slaughter, according to Robert Jensen, a professor at the University of Texas at Austin, was the real origin of Thanksgiving– so proclaimed in 1637 by Massachusetts Bay Governor John Winthrop in gratitude for God’s destruction of the defenseless Pequot village. Thereafter massacres of the Indians were routinely followed by “days of thanksgiving.”

            source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/richard-schiffman/the-thanksgiving-truth_b_1105181.html

          • pax2u

            some will probably think that Thanksgiving is a holiday to profess the freedom of Christian Religion against the tyranny of the 17th Century Catholic Church of England,

            Le faux cajun has said that the Anglican Church of England was really Catholic, even as they murdered Catholic Priests for professing their faith

          • Phipps Mike

            Thanksgiving actually was SUPPOSED to be the celebration of the peace between Native Americans and the Pilgrims where they feasted together. The Native Americans had shown the Pilgrims some different dishes to make based on what they grew on the land. The SETTLEMENT of the Puritans WAS for the escape from the Roman Catholic persecution. Not Thanksgiving.

          • pax2u

            so the Puritans escaped the persecution of the Catholic Church, in PROTESTANT England and Holland, when the PROTESTANTS of ENGLAND murdered Catholic Priests for believing in their Christian Faith? really, really

            this sounds like a NWO conspiracy theory that blames ALL on the Catholic Church

            do you have a reliable source to link here that supports your statement that the Puritans escaped the Catholic persecution of PROTESTANT England and Holland?

          • pax2u

            In the early 17th century, thousands of English Puritans settled in North America, mainly in New England. Puritans were generally members of the Church of England who believed the Church of England was insufficiently Reformed

            Puritans were blocked from changing the established church from within, and were severely restricted in England by laws controlling the practice of religion

          • pax2u

            It was Lincoln who issued an 1863 proclamation calling on Americans to “set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next as a day of thanksgiving,” partly to celebrate victories in the then-raging Civil War.

            “He’s the father of the whole idea of a nation giving thanks for its advantages and privileges of living in a democracy like this,” said Harold Holzer, historian and chairman of the Abraham Lincoln Bicentennial Foundation.

          • Phipps Mike

            Thanksgiving has ZERO to do with the Civil War, Where the heck did you get that piece from? If you are an American, I have to ask what bubble you have been in to not learn even at SCHOOL what Thanksgiving is about. I bet even plain old wikipedia can tell you…hold on, I will look….”In the United States, the modern Thanksgiving holiday tradition is commonly, but not universally, traced to a poorly documented 1621 celebration at Plymouth in present-day Massachusetts. The 1621 Plymouth feast and thanksgiving was prompted by a good harvest. Pilgrims and Puritans who began emigrating from England in the 1620s and 1630s carried the tradition of Days of Fasting and Days of Thanksgiving with them to New England. Several days of Thanksgiving were held in early New England history that have been identified as the “First Thanksgiving”, including Pilgrim holidays in Plymouth in 1621 and 1623, and a Puritan holiday in Boston in 1631.[9][10]”

            NOTHING about Lincoln NOR the Civil War.

            Debate about first celebrations in the United States

            The traditional representation of where the first Thanksgiving was held in the United States has often been a subject of boosterism and debate, though the debate is often confused by mixing up the ideas of a Thanksgiving holiday celebration and a Thanksgiving religious service. According to author James Baker, this debate is a “tempest in a beanpot” and “marvelous nonsense”.[9]

            Local boosters in Virginia, Florida, and Texas promote their own colonists, who (like many people getting off a boat) gave thanks for setting foot again on dry land.(Jeremy Bangs[11])

            These claims include an earlier religious service by Spanish explorers in Texas at San Elizario in 1598, as well as thanksgiving feasts in the Virginia Colony.[20]Robyn Gioia and Michael Gannon of the University of Florida argue that the earliest Thanksgiving service in what is now the United States was celebrated by theSpanish on September 8, 1565, in what is now Saint Augustine, Florida.[21][22] A day for Thanksgiving services was codified in the founding charter of Berkeley Hundred in Charles City County, Virginia in 1619.[23]

            According to Baker, “Historically, none of these had any influence over the evolution of the modern United States holiday. The American holiday’s true origin was the New England Calvinist Thanksgiving. Never coupled with a Sabbath meeting, the Puritan observances were special days set aside during the week for thanksgiving and praise in response to God’s providence.”[9]”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thanksgiving

          • pax2u

            if thanksgiving has nothing to do with the civil war is this in error?

            Washington, D.C.
            October 3, 1863

            By the President of the United States of America.

            A Proclamation.

            The year that is drawing towards its close, has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, others have been added, which are of so extraordinary a nature, that they cannot fail to penetrate and soften even the heart which is habitually insensible to the ever watchful providence of Almighty God. In the midst of a civil war of unequaled magnitude and severity, which has sometimes seemed to foreign States to invite and to provoke their aggression, peace has been preserved with all nations, order has been maintained, the laws have been respected and obeyed, and harmony has prevailed everywhere except in the theatre of military conflict; while that theatre has been greatly contracted by the advancing armies and navies of the Union. Needful diversions of wealth and of strength from the fields of peaceful industry to the national defence, have not arrested the plough, the shuttle or the ship; the axe has enlarged the borders of our settlements, and the mines, as well of iron and coal as of the precious metals, have yielded even more abundantly than heretofore. Population has steadily increased, notwithstanding the waste that has been made in the camp, the siege and the battle-field; and the country, rejoicing in the consiousness of augmented strength and vigor, is permitted to expect continuance of years with large increase of freedom. No human counsel hath devised nor hath any mortal hand worked out these great things. They are the gracious gifts of the Most High God, who, while dealing with us in anger for our sins, hath nevertheless remembered mercy. It has seemed to me fit and proper that they should be solemnly, reverently and gratefully acknowledged as with one heart and one voice by the whole American People. I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens. And I recommend to them that while offering up the ascriptions justly due to Him for such singular deliverances and blessings, they do also, with humble penitence for our national perverseness and disobedience, commend to His tender care all those who have become widows, orphans, mourners or sufferers in the lamentable civil strife in which we are unavoidably engaged, and fervently implore the interposition of the Almighty Hand to heal the wounds of the nation and to restore it as soon as may be consistent with the Divine purposes to the full enjoyment of peace, harmony, tranquillity and Union.

            In testimony whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Seal of the United States to be affixed.

            Done at the City of Washington, this Third day of October, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the Unites States the Eighty-eighth.

            By the President: Abraham Lincoln

            William H. Seward,
            Secretary of State

          • Phipps Mike

            “I do therefore invite my fellow citizens in every part of the United States, and also those who are at sea and those who are sojourning in foreign lands, to set apart and observe the last Thursday of November next, as a day of Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens.”

            the above is the basis of your claim. That shows that Lincoln only FOUNDED the day to CELEBRATE Thanksgiving nationally in the United States. He didnt INVENT Thanksgiving and i already provided you PROOF that it was recognized as early as the 1500s as a religious holiday and the mid 1600s as a day to celebrate the “harvests” aka FOOD.
            The holiday is to observe FOOD, NOT freed slaves. that’s a NO-BRAINER.

            I don’t see the importance of this debate whatsoever. its NOT a big deal.

          • pax2u

            did I ever say only?

            I only posted designation of the history of the holiday

            will you next tell me how the puritans left the persecution of the Catholic Church in the protestant 17 century England?

          • Phipps Mike

            why do you keep ignoring the answer when i give it to you and keep asking the same question over and over again? ok I will post it ONE MORE TIME:

            “The religious persecution that drove settlers from Europe to the British North American colonies sprang from the conviction, held by Protestants and Catholics alike, that uniformity of religion must exist in any given society. This conviction rested on the belief that there was one true religion and that it was the duty of the civil authorities to impose it, forcibly if necessary, in the interest of saving the souls of all citizens. Nonconformists could expect no mercy and might be executed as heretics. The dominance of the concept, denounced by Roger Williams as “inforced uniformity of religion,” meant majority religious groups who controlled political power punished dissenters in their midst. In some areas Catholics persecuted Protestants, in others Protestants persecuted Catholics, and in still others Catholics and Protestants persecuted wayward coreligionists. Although England renounced religious persecution in 1689, it persisted on the European continent. Religious persecution, as observers in every century have commented, is often bloody and implacable and is remembered and resented for generations.

            http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/re

            the “puritan’s” ARE The Protestants they mention in the above paste. You seem to be having difficulties separating what I paste from sites as proof from what I. myself am writing. I put the pastes in quotation marks and list the source after it.

          • pax2u

            I understand you answer, however it does the original statement by Le faux cajun who stated that the Puritans fled the persecution of the Catholic Church, which was in error and it was only made to attack the Catholic Church

            I answered le faux cajun that he was wrong that the Puritans fled PROTESTANT Holland PROTESTANT England and the Puritans were persecuted by the PROTESTANT Anglican Church of England

            So he replied that the PROTESTANT Anglican Church of England was really a Catholic Church, which is wrong since the Anglican Church of England was murdering Catholic Priests for continuing to practice their Catholic faith.

            He did not want facts to get in the way of his attacks on the Catholic Church, at the same time he was ridiculing other posters for making historically incorrect statements,

          • Phipps Mike

            “As a result of Augustine’s mission, the church in England came under the authority of the pope. Initially prompted by a dispute over the annulment of the marriage of King Henry VIII to Catherine of Aragon, the Church of Englandseparated from the Roman Catholic Church in 1534 and became the established church by an Act of Parliament in theAct of Supremacy, beginning a series of events known as the English Reformation.[7] During the reign of Queen Mary Iand King Philip, the church was fully restored under Rome in 1555. The pope’s authority was again explicitly rejected after the accession of Queen Elizabeth I when the Act of Supremacy of 1558 was passed. Catholic and Reformed factions vied for determining the doctrines and worship of the church. This ended with the 1558 Elizabethan Settlement, which developed the understanding that the church was to be both Catholic and Reformed:

            Catholic in that it views itself as a part of the universal church of Jesus Christ in unbroken continuity with the earlyapostolic church. This is expressed in its emphasis on the teachings of the early Church Fathers, as formalised in the Apostles’, Nicene, and Athanasian creeds.[8]

            Reformed in that it has been shaped by some of the doctrinal principles of the 16th century Protestant Reformation, in particular in the Thirty-Nine Articles and the Book of Common Prayer.[8]

            Since the Reformation, the Church of England has used an English liturgy. During the 17th century, political and religious disputes raised the Puritan and Presbyterian faction to control of the church, but this ended with theRestoration. The contemporary Church of England still continues to contain several doctrinal strands, now generally known as Anglo-Catholic and Evangelical. This reflects early divisions. In recent times, tensions between theological conservatives and progressives find expression in debates over the current ordination of women and homosexuality within the church.”

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_England

            so yes, you are right about that it was under Protestant control in the early 1700’s. The crux is that both Protestants AND Catholics were killing each other off as the Church control changed hands, back and forth. Both are guilty of persecution. I think the idea here is that at any time, the Catholics could RESUME control of the Church and if that happened, the persecution of the Protestants would AGAIN be persecuted, rather than stick around for that to happen, the Puritans came to America on a “what if”.

          • pax2u

            My issue was Le faux cajun’s misuse of history to attack the Catholic Church

            any type of Religious persecution is wrong, even in America with the Know Nothing political party of the 1840s.

            Interesting also that in today’s England it is against the Law for a Catholic to be a monarch.

          • Phipps Mike

            “has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, ”

            see? FOOOOOOD, Not slavery.

          • pax2u

            Lincoln also spoke of thanks

            it is simplistic to equate everything that Lincoln spoke of to Slavery

          • Phipps Mike

            “has been filled with the blessings of fruitful fields and healthful skies. To these bounties, which are so constantly enjoyed that we are prone to forget the source from which they come, ”

            see? FOOOOOOD, Not slavery.

          • pax2u

            Thanksgiving, or Thanksgiving Day, is a holiday celebrated in the United States on the fourth Thursday in November. It has been celebrated as Federal holiday every year since 1863, when, during the Civil War, President Abraham Lincoln proclaimed a national day of “Thanksgiving and Praise to our beneficent Father who dwelleth in the Heavens”, to be celebrated on the last Thursday in November.

          • pax2u

            Please post the history of the Puritans escaping the Catholic Church from Protestant England in the 17th century

          • Phipps Mike

            European Persecution

            The religious persecution that drove settlers from Europe to the British North American colonies sprang from the conviction, held by Protestants and Catholics alike, that uniformity of religion must exist in any given society. This conviction rested on the belief that there was one true religion and that it was the duty of the civil authorities to impose it, forcibly if necessary, in the interest of saving the souls of all citizens. Nonconformists could expect no mercy and might be executed as heretics. The dominance of the concept, denounced by Roger Williams as “inforced uniformity of religion,” meant majority religious groups who controlled political power punished dissenters in their midst. In some areas Catholics persecuted Protestants, in others Protestants persecuted Catholics, and in still others Catholics and Protestants persecuted wayward coreligionists. Although England renounced religious persecution in 1689, it persisted on the European continent. Religious persecution, as observers in every century have commented, is often bloody and implacable and is remembered and resented for generations.

            http://www.loc.gov/exhibits/religion/rel01.html

          • pax2u

            did the Protestant Puritans escape the persecution of the Catholic Church in PROTESTANT England and Holland?

          • Phipps Mike

            Pax, did you not see this from above? “The religious persecution that drove settlers from Europe to the British North American colonies sprang from the conviction, held by Protestants and Catholics alike,” then note the following: “In some areas Catholics persecuted Protestants, in others Protestants persecuted Catholics, ….”
            YES is the answer to your question,then.
            The Catholic religion is so proprietary that when somebody wants to marry a Catholic in a church wedding, they BOTH have to be Catholic or the wedding ISNT happening.

          • pax2u

            actually that is not correct, my Catholic sister married my Protestant brother in law in our local Catholic Church, now my sister is a WELS lutheran actually from the same church of Michele Bachmann before Bachmann ran for President

            The WELS teach that the Pope is the actual anti Christ, is that your opinion of religious tolerance?

          • Phipps Mike

            My Aunts friends were not able to do that and this was THIS year. The Bride was Catholic and the husband Protestant, Her Church flat out REFUSED to marry them. I just did some research and found this:

            “Three forms of the Rite of Marriage

            The Catholic Church provides three different forms of celebrating the Rite of Marriage. When two Catholics are marrying, the celebration will normally take place within a Mass. The second form, which does not include a Mass, is used when a Catholic marries another baptized Christian. There is a third form, which also does not include a Mass, for a Catholic marrying someone who is a non-Christian. You should choose one of these forms in conversation with the priest or deacon who will witness your marriage vows. Watch the video to learn more about the Rite of Marriage.”

            http://www.foryourmarriage.org/catholic-marriage/planning-a-catholic-wedding/

            so basically, the MASS does not recognize the mixed weddings, only the ones with both spouses being Catholic.

          • pax2u

            I did not know that you were a Catholic who attends on a regular basis, I am sorry,

            I appreciate your anecdote, it was very “interesting”

            you are correct that a Catholic can marry a Christian non Catholic, but with out a Catholic Mass.

          • JohntheB

            thank you

          • pax2u

            I can see that you never had a course in religious history

            The Puritans escaped the PROTESTANT Church of Englan

            The Puritans were a group of English Protestants in the 16th and 17th centuries, including, but not limited to, English Calvinists. Puritanism in this sense was founded by John Calvin from the clergy shortly after the accession of Elizabeth I of England in 1558, as an activist movement within the Church of England.

            Puritans were blocked from changing the established church from within, and were severely restricted in England by laws controlling the practice of religion. Their beliefs, however, were transported by the emigration of congregations to the Netherlands (and later to New England),

          • JohntheB

            I thought that the Puritans escaped the Church of England

            do you have any reference that the Puritans escaped the Catholic Church?

          • Joe Blow

            Thanks for letting them know that their twisted message is falling on deaf ears.I do not know what Jesus they know but the one that I know and was taught about was one that preached love and loves us.What these puffed up i’m holier than you crap I wasn’t taught and never learned thank you God.I read Gods message and it was about love and exceptance of all his people and that he was the only judge.Please keep up your good work on telling them how wrong their message is and that it wasn’t from God.My God bless you.

          • Phipps Mike

            Thanks, they have deaf ears as well to REASON. It is NOT reasonable that God would be SELECTIVE when the Bible clearly states that we are ALL his children. I have been at this venue for about 8-9 months, mostly defending homosexuals and those who have the RIGHT to believe in their OWN religion or lack of one.
            I have come to the conclusion that THIS site mostly caters to fundamentalists and my wife is absolutely right in her post shaming anybody that redirected the issue from child sexual abuse to its correlation with homosexuality. The problem is that the AUTHOR of this article is the guilty party of the redirection. It is COMMON SENSE that homosexuals are not ALL pedophiles simply because MOST homosexuals prefer ADULTS and pedophiles will NOT have sex with an adult. Thats a no brainer.

          • Joe Blow

            Thanks for letting them know that their twisted message is falling on deaf ears.I do not know what Jesus they know but the one that I know and was taught about was one that preached love and loves us.What these puffed up i’m holier than you crap I wasn’t taught and never learned thank you God.I read Gods message and it was about love and exceptance of all his people and that he was the only judge.Please keep up your good work on telling them how wrong their message is and that it wasn’t from God.My God bless you.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Problem is you don’t HAVE Jesus. You have your own distorted idea of what Jesus is. You show up on message forums pretending to be a Christian but you don’t talk like one. All you spout is hatred. Nice to see I’m not the only one who’s challenging you on the stupidity you’re posting.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            No I don’t talk like the blind sheeple like you, your Baptist buddy, with his Lutheran minister father-in-law who by the way wants to get violent with me as he posted his address and wants me to come so he can play Army boy and beat me. So if that makes me not a Christian because of the way I talk then no one here is a Christian especially you. Challenge all you want, You will have nice company in eternity. I just won’t be there to see it.

          • pax2u

            so you have no denomination, I am thankful that the bigots of the lunatic fringe are always alone, and ashamed to name a church

          • Le Cajun du foux

            For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Romans 1:16

          • pax2u

            it is best that you are alone

          • Le Cajun du foux

            I am never alone, Jesus is always with me. He will never leave me nor forsake me.

          • pax2u

            sad that you are filled with hate, but I am thankful that you are not a part of any denomination

          • Le Cajun du foux

            I am not filled with hate. I am always helping people, Muslims, poor, old, young, and on and on. I give time, money, encouragement and expect nothing in return. I don’t do it to buy salvation that I already have, I do it to honor my Lord and Savior Jesus the Messiah.

          • pax2u

            it is best that you have no denomination

            and based on you knowledge of the Puritans, very little historical education

          • Joe Blow

            Must be nice to be all puffed up and I know it will be my God that is going to deflate you and I hope it will be soon because you do not know Jesus’s message it is about love and he loved all his children and wants us to love are neighbor and he is the only judge.So I glad your puffed up message is falling on deaf ears.All that time that you wasted writing you should be reading and understanding Christ message and sorry that you are being deceived but it is not to late for you to really know what his message is just read it.I pray that you do.

          • Pax Humana

            The Book of John, Chapter 7, and Verse 24, among MANY other parts that are all over the Holy Scriptures, say that we DO have a right to judge people, as does our various international legal systems, period, full stop.

          • pax2u

            does anyone have the right to willfully lie about the religious beliefs of Christians?

          • Pax Humana

            You seem to do that in your life.

          • pax2u

            so I can not defend my faith?

            I suppose I should know my place and accept the bigotry

          • pax2u

            I am glad that you are a proud fundamentalist and take God at his literal word and take these scripture literally as the word of God

            Matt 16

            17And Jesus said to him, “Blessed are you, Simon Barjona, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. 18″I also say to you that you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build My church; and the gates of Hades will not overpower it. 19″I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven; and whatever you bind on earth shall have been bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth shall have been loosed in heaven.”…

            John 6

            …55″For My flesh is true food, and My blood is true drink. 56″He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57″As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also will live because of Me.…

            James 5:16

            Therefore, confess your sins to one another and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous person has great power as it is working

          • Le Cajun du foux

            I do and I take all of the Bible literally even the part about what to eat and not till it was changed with Peter in his vision.

          • pax2u

            so Jesus gave the Keys of Heaven to Peter, and the Eucharist is true blood and body of Jesus, and we are to confess our sins to another,

            and you are alone with out a denomination

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Do you not understand figurative speaking and literary style differences? Or are you just here to stir up trouble? If I am alone because I don’t belong to a specific denomination then there are a lot of us out there. We are all alone together. Funny that makes us not alone. Give it a rest.

          • pax2u

            I am sorry I thought you were a fundamentalist Christ, now you are changing the meaning of the Bible, how very liberal of you

            it is best that you are alone with out a church

          • pax2u

            may be his sheet and hood are not back from the cleaners yet

          • Phipps Mike

            “”BeWhoYouAre” then proceed to tell people to stop being who they are when it does not fit your ideas.”

            hahahahaha!!!! ok that’s funny. BUT….. even with that looking contradictory, WHO is the first guilty of trying to OPPRESS others individuality? You Christians! That’s who.

            “Come back when you have grown up some say in about 200 years.”

            and yet you call HIM a little boy? your sarcasm of unrealisticness is way more juvenile then I have witnessed HIM saying. Oh and newsflash, The Bible is NOT mans BOSS. Got it?

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Talk about juvenile, “your not the boss of me.” Christianity does not oppress anybodies individuality that comes from Catholicsm. News Flash: My boss is a Jewish Carpenter, his wisdom is the Bible.

          • Phipps Mike

            “Christianity does not oppress anybodies individuality ”
            tell that to all of the gays wanting SSM.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            What you fail to understand is they are not being oppressed. Decent Christians are just standing up for their faith and their families because of the growing tide of militant homosexual trying desperately to get to their children. You made the statement that parents would put a stop to pedophilia. Ok I can see that yet we still have pedophilia. Me thinks stopping it by human means is not working much as trying to do away with Jesus that has been tried for the past 2,000 years. Even the Pharisees understood if they just kept their mouths shut it would go away or could it ever go away? Only if Jesus allowed and He will not. So any homosexual can have all the anal and oral sex they want with other men or with other women if they are of that homosexual gender. I don’t really care what they do on their own time in their own home. I do care when the likes of you come out here with lying claims that it is natural, normal and ok. That I will stand and fight against all day long. So if wish to continue this keep opening your mouth and spewing your lies and sinning like a drunken gay sailor. I will go toe to toe with you. By the way where is that mountain of trash you keep threatening with. still have not seen it yet or is that just more lies?

          • BeWhoYouAre

            “Decent Christians are just standing up for their faith and their families because of the growing tide of militant homosexuals trying desperately to get to their children”

            Um, I have a little news flash for you. Homosexuals are attracted to people of the same sex, they are not the slightest bit interested in fundie bigots, and as already been pointed out to you, they are homosexuals and not PEDOPHILES so what on earth makes you think they are after children?

            This is why you’re being called out, your hateful crap has no basis in fact and has even less to do with Christianity. Unless you’d care to provide, oh, I don’t know, maybe ONE example of the big bad evil gays so militantly trying to get into the pants of your kiddies?

            You really make me sick.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            “Homosexuals are attracted to people of the same sex, they are not the slightest bit interested in fundie bigots, and as already been pointed out to you,” really? Then why has there been a growing in-your-face radical push for acceptance that did not exist 40 years ago. Ask your buddy. He claims to be 51 he should remember back then if he is not also lying about his age.

            You can call me out all you want and call me what ever you want. I am not here to please you. I am here counter you lies and clap trap statistics that you use and bring light to the truth that homosexuality is a sin, that even homosexuals are self admitted pedophiles who are working tierlessly to recruit the children of straight people to have a larger and larger supply of partners and that they don’t care whehter they are willing or not. Those are facts straight from homosexuals. You want to call them liars go ahead. No skin off my back. If you got your lazy butt up and went and saw the real world you would know this but, you are a product of the day. ignorant sheep following blindly after those who tell you you can do anything you want and there are no consequences. Maybe not in this world maybe so but, definitely on judgment day when you stand before the Great White Judgment throne and have to give an accounting of your every action and thought. Good luck with that.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Does it matter what I say?
            Does it matter if I provide proof from 150 different web sites, even with a claim as ridiculous as yours that homosexuals are recruiting children? You might as well be saying that the president has three legs. Actually, I would say YOUR claim is the more daft of the two. And homosexuals “recruiting” period, when was that one debunked? 1960?

            What is your excuse for holding on to tired, thoroughly debunked crapola like that which everyone else let go of forty or more years ago? If I even start the process of ASKING Google something like that, it’s probably going to go “are you f—ing SERIOUS?” And just shut down on me.

            Incidentally, you know the definition of a person who continues to believe nonsense even when he’s been presented with the truth? A BIGOT.

            Most disturbing of all is that you do this in the name of Jesus Christ, the kindest and gentlest human being who ever lived. It beggars belief.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            What do you care about Jesus? You just lied again. You say you provided proof from 150 sites. You only provided one and that was after two days of hounding you to put up or shut up.

            That homosexuals recruit children has never been debunked because it still goes on today as evidenced by this very article. Are you that stupid as not to read what you are supposedly commenting on? Gee did your mommy drop you on your punkin head when you were born?

            Well if you have to rely on Google and it does shut down on you I can understand why. You have this nasty habit of arrogance.

            I think you need to go back to your dictionary and look up definition of Bigot again. It don’t say what you said it says: “A person who is intolerant towards those holding different opinions” Yeah I am intolerant of those who hold that sin is acceptable but then so is Jesus are you also calling Jesus a bigot? But since you are also intolerant of Bible believing Christians guess what, that makes you my brother. So Bro how ya been. Better watch out I might rub off on you and you might actually quit being a bigot. Stupid is as stupid says and man are you saying some really stupid stuff now.

          • Phipps Mike

            “Yeah I am intolerant of those who hold that sin is acceptable”
            BS. You are only attacking homosexuals and nothing else. He called you what you really are….BIGOT. You have no reason to call stats trash except that it would prove you wrong about your lies.

          • DD

            Walter Lee Hampton III, a self-professed homosexual, posted in a YouTube video earlier this year that he would not allow youth to be alone with homosexuals because of the prevalence of men pursuing young males.

            “I’ve been active in the gay community since I was 17 years of age, and when I first came out, I could not understand why so many older individuals were interested in me,” he said. “These older guys literally chased me down [even though] I was a little kid.”

            “Over the years, I have watched many of my friends chase after teenage kids under the age of 18,” he continued. “So, I thought in my mind, if I ever had kids—if I ever had teenage boys, I would keep them away from the vast majority of gay guys, because I know how this works.”

            “I have seen this so often,” Hampton lamented. “This is not something that’s abnormal. I’ve seen this a thousand times.”

          • Phipps Mike

            “You made the statement that parents would put a stop to pedophilia. ”

            no, I made the statement that parents wouldn’t allow the law to be changed to ALLOW pedophilia. There is no such thing as keeping ANY kind of crime out of existence.

            You miss details and that’s a sign you are NOT a good debater.

            You even twisted my words.

            “you come out here with lying claims that it is natural, normal and ok.” I said the ATTRACTION is natural and your proof is way up above in the thread that points to the article that sexual orientation IS influences by “genetic factors”. That”s proof that was place RIGHT HERE AT CNN in their article. I suppose you are going to call THIS sites stuff as garbage too?

            I didnt say anything was “normal” and I DID say that God is NOT against homosexuality. That isn’t saying its “ok”. That’s just saying that God isn”t against homosexuals.

          • pax2u

            It is best that you and the rest of the lunatic fringe have no denomination, church or fellowship

          • Phipps Mike

            “I despise fundamentalist Christianity, but I love REAL Christianity.”

            count me in on that statement. In fact MOST all younger people who are being “turned off” by religion is for that very same reason. The fundamentalists (those with NO common sense) are RUINING it for the VALID Christians.

          • Demmi Greene

            Matthew 5:11 “Blessed are you when people insult you and persecute you, and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of Me.

            12/ “Rejoice and be glad, for your reward in heaven is great; for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

          • Phipps Mike

            you are the ONLY person in history that I have met that has the audacity and gullibility to believe “fornication” is a gateway to crime.

          • Neiman

            Fornication or any sexual immorality hardens our hearts, it builds up a spiritual scar and we become more and more insensitive to God’s voice and it opens us up to the temptations, ever increasing, worse temptations and often leads to horrible sins that are unspeakable.

          • Phipps Mike

            Neiman, I think it’s time you learn some MORE “facts of life.”

            “Nearly half of women aged 15 to 44 years old “cohabited” outside of marriage between 2006 and 2010, compared with 43 percent in 2002 and 34 percent in 1995. The report is based on in-person interviews with more than 12,000 women in that age group.

            One reason more people are living together is a well-documented delay in the age at which people are marrying, said study lead author Casey Copen, a demographer with the National Center for Health Statistics.

            “Cohabiting couples may be waiting for improved financial stability before they make a decision to marry and, in the process, become pregnant and have a baby,” she said. “As you cohabit longer, there’s more of a chance to become pregnant.”

            source: http://consumer.healthday.com/public-health-information-30/centers-for-disease-control-news-120/more-u-s-couples-living-together-instead-of-marrying-cdc-finds-675096.html

            Ok. on that subject alone, FINANCIAL situations are FORCING people to “live in sin” and fornicate.

            You seem to live in a mental state of a wannabe religious “Utopia” where NO sin should ever happen.
            You also have a VERY bad habit of using “gateway” theories for EVERYTHING that is a sin. That’s UNREALISTIC. What CAN happen as compared to what DOES happen are two TOTALLY different things.
            I am surprised you even DRIVE, eat foods high in carbs, put gas in your car (cause it could explode ya know), or many other dangerous things that “can lead to” aka (gateway) bad things happening. You need to get out of your bubble and LIVE instead of being like Howard Hughes.
            If we all subscribed to your line of thinking, then the world would be EXACTLY like “Children of The Corn” where anybody past 16 years old is to be sacrificed because they are tainted from adults teaching them sin.
            Sins don’t ALL lead to “hardened hearts” NOR “gateways”.
            I almost think you are a paranoid shizophreniac based on what you write.

          • Le Cajun du foux

            It is not the gateway to the crimes God listed it is the crime itself. One crime leads to another. I am sure you psychobabble wife will attest to the fact that kids are deeply influenced by what they experience. If they get away with a lie once they will try it again and again.

          • Phipps Mike

            so are you trying to say that there is no break whatsoever in a “chain of sins”? that’s ridiculous. Also, you are wrong saying the word “psychobabble” when referring to my wife. She is not a psychologist or psychiatrist. She doesn’t use the medical psychobabble terms, either. You claim to be a Christian but yet INSULT somebody elses’ wife whom hasn’t done anything to you.

          • Phipps Mike

            “but having an unnatural desire for evil is still evil”
            ummmm, that was REALLLLLLY stupid!

            The desire is called/deemed “temptation”. Temptation is NOT a sin, It is THEN we exercise our free will to not COMMIT the sin of ACTING on the temptation. Even a fundamentalist knows that! Only a brainless Catholic considers the temptation a sin. That is also blasphemy to say that, when God gave us free will to make the decision NOT to sin.

          • Phipps Mike

            ” there are people in this world born attracted to the same sex whether they like it it not? ”

            there are 999,999,999 thousand Christians who cant GET THAT THROUGH THEIR TEENY BRAINS. They keep on wanting to blame environmental factors when that has been disproven a kazillion times. Attraction CANNOT BE MANUFACTURED…it is INBORN.

          • Demmi Greene

            ”You are flat-out lying on a public forum…”

            Liar, Liar,…..pants on fire …You did too.

            ”This is some random pervert, …….REALLY???
            http://christiannews.net/2014/11/20/human-rights-campaigns-homosexual-founder-charged-with-sexual-abuse-of-boy/”….

            ”Bean was a founder of the Human Rights Campaign, the largest and most aggressive homosexual advocacy organization probably in the world”

            ” . .one of the largest Democratic donors in Oregon, especially surrounding financial contributions made to Barack Obama’s election efforts, which are stated to be in excess of $1 million dollars.”

            ” . .has been one of the largest Democratic donors in Oregon,..”

          • BeWhoYouAre

            He is flat-out lying about homosexuality leading to more perverse things because people get “bored”. He made that up. It is a lie. I defy ANYONE, yourself included, to provide a scientific link that proves it.

          • Demmi Greene

            Hes talking about your soul, dude. Deeper and deeper Corruption of your soul, from more and more perverse, immoral sexual activity.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Worry about your own soul, dude. Especially if you seriously believe crap like that.

          • Demmi Greene

            Hey look, he hit a nerve w/ you, so face it.

          • Phipps Mike

            you don’t know SQUAT about psychology.

            “Corruption of your soul, from more and more perverse, immoral sexual activity.”

            From a homosexuals perspective, because they are NATURALLY attracted to their own sex, they don’t feel or see the sex they have as a “deviance” so the “rebel” feeling that MAY lead to more immoral sex acts is NOT present, in their minds.
            The BIGGEST mistake anti-gay people make is to try and convince themselves that homosexual sex is an “excess” when its REALLY the ONLY sexuality FOR a homosexual that can be satisfying.
            If I were a dictator, I would FORCE BY LAW. ALL Fundamentalists to take a 2 year psychology course.

          • Demmi Greene

            Cue the homosexual who thinks ”his philosophizing” is relevant to God’s Kingdom, or even matters to me one whit.

          • Phipps Mike

            like I said, you know NOTHING. Such as the fact that I am 100% hetero and MARRIED to a WOMAN.

          • Demmi Greene

            Oh? Okay,……

            ”Cue the homosexual ”ENABLER” who thinks ”his philosophizing” is relevant to God’s Kingdom, or even matters to me one whit.’

            There,.. I fixed it for you,.. free of charge.

          • Phipps Mike

            I don’t enable, I live and let live. Simple as that.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            What the hell is a “homosexual enabler”?

          • Demmi Greene

            Ask your closest friends.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Homosexual Enabling? WHAT? Just WHAT.
            Does someone “enable” you to be right handed or have brown eyes?

          • Demmi Greene

            Someone who watches you condemn your own immortal soul to an eternity separated from God,… and they call themselves your friend. Someone who turns a deaf ear and a blind eye to the eternal consequences,… by telling there are no eternal consequences .

          • sylviasusan

            Then you are ignorant in the true sense of the word.

          • Phipps Mike

            being married and hetero makes me ignorant? whatever. Its YOUR story, you tell it.

          • pax2u

            no it makes you a married hetero and I congratulate you on your marriage

            some have said “who am I to judge” and have been attacked by some fundamentalist for not condemning another.

            Some have supported Traditional Marriage of one man and one woman and have also been attacked for their beliefs

            maybe the answer is always somewhere in the middle of too fundamental extremes? maybe

          • Pax Humana

            Mike, you are a New World Order shill and you need to go back under your bridge or back into your cave, you stupid Lucifer worshiping troll!

          • Phipps Mike

            NWO doesnt EXIST, Get over your paranoid fantasies.

          • Pax Humana

            Prove it, jerk weed. Try taking a trip to Georgia to see things like The Georgia Guide Stones or look up Agenda 21 online. You are in the same sort of evil as Adolf Hitler and his friends were, period, full stop.

          • Phipps Mike

            Paranoid conspiracy theorist. I suppose you believe in chemtrails too.

          • Pax Humana

            I believe that your mother should have swallowed and your father should have pulled out sooner. Furthermore, anyone that does not believe in conspiracies is a part of the conspiracy by default, so the question is, what do YOU have to lose in your life, Mikey?

          • Phipps Mike

            do you know how ridiculous you sound? how can a person be a part of something they have absolutely no knowledge about? That’s a sick way of thinking. I have NOTHING to lose in my life hence the reason I am not a paranoid wingnut. Paranoid conspiracy theories are a product of mental illness.

          • Phipps Mike

            “lying about homosexuality leading to more perverse things because people get “bored”” he ALSO included ALL out of wedlock heteros who have sex. Better start building a lot more prisons, quickly. Why hasn’t fornication caused mass criminals up to this point if that’s the case?

          • sylviasusan

            Let us not forget how they are trying to sexualize our children and there’s a recent case where homosexuals were teaching 5th graders about how to get the best feeling out of anal, oral sex and masturbation without the parents knowledge. There are many other cases like this and it’s obvious that they are trying to prepare our children to start having sex young and to consider their filthy disease carrying sex acts as the best. All the while they are teaching this they are letting the children know how good it feels and encouraging them subtly to try it. These people are surely demons sent from Satan.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Who is the “they” you are talking about here? Also do you have a link to this story?

          • Demmi Greene

            A deviant is a deviant is a deviant. We’ve been forewarned by every article like this one, and by every ‘handwriting on the wall’ from the bible. Normalizing these sins to kids is no different than molesting them spiritually .

          • Pax Humana

            …and yet here you are, an intolerant bigot, doing the same thing yourself because you got all butt hurt because someone called out your little scam, you servant of Lucifer.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Jack….Jack Chick? Is that you?

          • pax2u

            you are correct, very sad the sick posts and nasty sexual references to defend their hatred

          • Pax Humana

            Jack Schitt, is that you? You must know so much about yourself, am I right?

          • BeWhoYouAre

            Speaking of schitt, are you wearing a bucket around your neck to collect what’s dribbling out of your mouth? I don’t discourse with fundie bigots, sorry.

          • Pax Humana

            …and yet here you are promoting bigotry as the sources of your way of thought in your life…how ironic.

          • Phipps Mike

            you call OTHERS intolerant when you are making DEATH threats to people who disagree with YOUR views? SMH.

          • Pax Humana

            Yes, shake your head in shame and be mad because I called you out on your game because I know that you not only made death threats in the past, but that you also made good on them to people that honestly did not even want to fight in the first place. Do things like World War II not ring a bell? Turnabout is fair play, trick.

          • Phipps Mike

            “Pax Humana Michael Eade 6 days ago

            I say sod off, you tosser! Your lack of religion has not only corrupted the rebuilding of the nation of Israel, but that it also has contributed to the deaths of numerous Christians and Jews, so you and your ilk are butt hurt because they are exposing your little con games, just like you were in World War II, the Korean War, the Vietnam War, and the Cold War,”

            and

            “Pax Humana xiaomao666 a day ago

            …and yet you are an intolerant, sexist, and misandrist douche that should have had a mother that had the common sense to swallow and your father should have had the common sense to pull out sooner in your life.”

            yep, REAL Christian using FILTH like that as your comments…PERVERT!
            Sod Off? oh, so you are English or British….aka bark worse than bite with a terrible disposition and zero anger control.

            You have NO credibility as a Christian. Sod off yourself.

          • Pax Humana

            Go take a toss on an electrical transformer, you servant of Lucifer! You are just mad because I played your game better than you and you are also mad because I stood against your 256 KB stool skull self. Furthermore, my bite is MUCH worse than my bark, as evidence from your lack of courage of tracking me down in real life, just like all of the other cowards that know that, in a battle of wits, that they are completely unarmed. Your mother should have swallowed, your father should have pulled out sooner, and the best part of you ran down their legs.

          • Pax Humana

            evidenced^

        • Vross

          So much for the myth homosexuals like to perpetuate that child molesters are all heterosexuals. Fact is, while some have preference, most child molesters have little to no real gender preference in their victims…which means most of them are not heterosexual, and are, when they are not strictly homosexual, at least bi-sexual. If they hook up with a grown person, it will generally be a woman, not because they are interested sexually in that person… their interests are elsewhere, but because it helps disguise their nature. Homosexual pedophiles are, in fact, so common they even have their own organization… NAMBLA… the North American Man Boy Love Assn.

          • Phipps Mike

            “most child molesters have little to no real gender preference in their victims…which means most of them are not heterosexual, and are, when they are not strictly homosexual, at least bi-sexual.”

            half right, half wrong. You are right about no gender preference BUT it doesn’t make them bi-sexual. Its about the INNOCENCE they are attracted to. Nambla is just a group of pedo/hebephiles, they are not homosexuals.

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          Well-put, Neiman! The LGBTQXYZ movement is all about placing the selfish desires and feelings of adults over the health and welfare of precious children. Great analysis – AND you were wise to not throw pearls before swine. Keep up the great work!

      • Phipps Mike

        “which means any sexual conduct outside of lawful marriage, it never takes long before boredom sets in and they look for new sexual stimulation in order to satisfy their lusts; ”

        so you are saying that ALL people who “shacked up” meaning heteros who don’t get married are guilty of sex crimes. Yea…righttttt. You need to QUIT with the “gateway” theories, They are TRIPE.

      • Peter

        Let’s see your peer reviewed scientific proof that homosexuals are born homosexual! You have none, if you did you would have posted it! Why I ask my myself, because homosexuals are NOT born homosexual. Be whoever you are, you seem to think pedophiles should be who they are

        • BeWhoYouAre

          WHAT? One second you’re talking about homosexuals, and then you’re talking about pedophiles? Make up your mind.

          Whether people are born homosexual or whether it develops in early life nobody knows. What we DO know is that it is unchangeable. So in your case, you can feel free to go out and find yourself a nice boyfriend.

          • Peter

            Provide scientific peer reviewed proof that homosexuality is unchangeable. I want to see the evidence, your word is no good deceiver.

          • BeWhoYouAre

            I already did.

            “The task force conducted a systematic review of the peer-reviewed journal literature on sexual orientation change efforts (SOCE) and concluded that efforts to change sexual orientation are unlikely to be successful and involve some risk of harm, contrary to the claims of SOCE practitioners and advocates.”

            http://www.apa.org/pi/lgbt/resources/sexual-orientation.aspx

            Sorry, I can’t provide a link that was endorsed by Pat Robertson.

          • Peter

            You have to want to change your chosen behavior before you will… you have nothing but lies

        • Phipps Mike

          twice is a charm http://christiannews.net/2014/06/23/is-the-gay-gene-a-myth-scientists-say-homosexuality-impossible-to-determine-by-dna/

          Don’t let the name of the article fool you, this is an
          excerpt FROM that same article:

          “Though the scientists
          maintained that genetics do at least partly influence sexual orientation, these
          recent findings undermine the belief that homosexuality is predetermined.
          Environmental factors, such as the absence of a father or an unhealthy domestic
          upbringing, might play significant roles.”

          Notice: ….”at least PARTLY influence sexual
          orientation. Then it also says” unhealthy domestic upbringing, MIGHT play
          significant roles.”

          So to conclude, it is saying
          that genetics DO and that upbringing, MIGHT. “Do” means it is SO. “might” means
          it is questionable.

      • Peter

        “Dr. Francis S. Collins, head of the Human Genome Project and currect director of the NIH, along with his team of over 150 of the top geneticists in the world, who sequenced and decoded the human genome, have said, that there is NO gay gene.”

        • BeWhoYouAre

          And yet ten percent of the population is homosexual. AND in the animal kingdom. That presents you with a problem, doesn’t it? One that maybe shoving your religion down the throats of homosexuals isn’t going to fix.

      • Peter

        “Dr. Nicholas Cummings says that since he was APA(American Psychological Association) president, the group has been “totally hijacked” by gay and lesbian rights activists. “It’s incredible,” he said; having personally seen “hundreds of people change,’” the view that all homosexuality is “hard-wired” and same-sex attraction can never be changed is simply “not supported by scientific evidence.”

      • Peter

        “People Are Not Born Gay, Affirms Royal College of Psychiatrists”

        The APA (American Psychological Association) explicitly stated “there are no scientific findings that a person is born homosexual”.

        • Phipps Mike

          http://christiannews.net/2014/06/23/is-the-gay-gene-a-myth-scientists-say-homosexuality-impossible-to-determine-by-dna/

          Don’t let the name of the article fool you, this is an
          excerpt FROM that same article:

          “Though the scientists
          maintained that genetics do at least partly influence sexual orientation, these
          recent findings undermine the belief that homosexuality is predetermined.
          Environmental factors, such as the absence of a father or an unhealthy domestic
          upbringing, might play significant roles.”

          Notice: ….”at least PARTLY influence sexual
          orientation. Then it also says” unhealthy domestic upbringing, MIGHT play
          significant roles.”

          So to conclude, it is saying
          that genetics DO and that upbringing, MIGHT. “Do” means it is SO. “might” means
          it is questionable.

          • Peter

            Where is the peer reviewed scientific proof, not some homo activist lying about it

          • Phipps Mike

            I provided the link for you to read the article, it has the name of the scientist making the claim.

          • Peter

            Your whole comment came from oscar Meyer… its BALONEY

          • Phipps Mike

            Peter, it was an article FROM THIS SITE.

    • James Grimes

      Excellent. Thank you for taking the time to thoroughly explain the issue.

    • SlammedTiger

      Okay, every gay group does not have a guy in it that will rape children, firstly. By that extension, every heterosexual group should as well. I mean since we’re getting into the nitty-gritty. It’s not necessary, everyone should just know that gay groups aren’t the cause for this.

      Also this is more-so karma. This guy raped children and now he’s being raped in prison. So that’s what happens.

    • Joe Blow

      True that this man broke the law and what he did was totally wrong but to put everyone who he is associated with him in the same light is wrong.I’m a Christian and believe that God will do the judging of people that break his law but for you to judge everyone who is having sex outside of marriage just shows me why homosexuals need to get married so they can have sex with out worrying about breaking Gods law.The only thing I find more devastating than what this man did with a minor is your judgment against Gods Children and your sick need to twist his word to fit your what you think people should love and not love.I think you need to read what God said instead of what you think he said.God Biess you and may he open you eye’s and ears when it comes to his word.

      • Neiman

        Christians are admonished not to judge hypocritically, it is clear by the context of His words that He was saying we are not to judge anyone worthy of eternal death, when we are guilty of the same sins. On the other hand, we are called to make righteous judgments. “the Bible also exhorts us to beware of
        evildoers and false prophets and to avoid those who practice all kinds
        of evil. How are we to discern who these people are if we do not make
        some kind of judgment about them”

        We are instructed to expose sin as being sin that it might bring about repentance, for the believer that they might be brought back into intimate communion with the Lord and for the lost to faith in Christ and salvation. If we are not to judge sin and expose it, how are these good things to be accomplished?

        If you are unable to make specific charges, to offer details based on what I have actually said to bring about reproof, you are bearing false witness against me. You make wild, general accusations about what you think is my shortcomings, but if you cannot be specific, it is better if you remain silent.

        • Joe Blow

          No wonder so many kids are backing away from Christians and church all together when you use Gods word to fit your own agenda Christ preach love and what you want to do is to preach hate and mask it behind your own I’m better than you because Christ gave me discernment speech also and I’m shaking the dirt off that your bring to my door and you can move along and sell your wares to some ignorant snake handlers because I know what Christ expects of us and I know my Bible so I will not be silent when I see someone who tries to twist Christ’s word to preach hate.I not buying what you selling so don’t even bother commenting because your message is not the message I’m getting from my Lord and Savior. Thanks but I have to say no to hate.

          • Demmi Greene

            JB, …..people back away ”from Christ”,…not churches or Christians as if either is the arbitrator of the Kingdom . And if,…”so many kids are backing away from Christians and church all together” . . .its really because of the ”straightness of the gate”. No servant/son can dictate to God that he should be ”permissive enough to encompass any and every whim/sin we want.”

            ”Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.” Matthew 7:14

            American churches are so nauseatingly lukewarm that there is no conviction of sin that leads to repentance. ”Seeker friendly congregations” w/ ”hyper-grace messages” are going to cause hell to be ”full to capacity” for not sharing the most basic tenet of the gospel:

            ”For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 6:23

          • Neiman

            If you are going to engage in falsehoods, it is better you stop posting. God gives all of His children to ability and the responsibility to discern good from evil. I have never even remotely hinted that I am better than anyone, just saved. What you define as hate, God calls love.

            “Does God hate? If God is love, how can He hate?”

            Answer:
            It seems a contradiction that a God who is love can also hate. We are created with the capacity to both love and hate; it is part of our being created in the image of God. The fact that we are all tainted with sin does not negate the fact that the ability to love and hate is part of the image of God that was created within us all. Therefore, if it is no contradiction for a human being to be able to love and hate, then much more so would it not be a contradiction for God to be able to love and hate.

            When the Bible does speak of God hating, the object of God’s hatred is usually sin and wickedness. Among the things God hates are idolatry (Deuteronomy 12:31; 16:22) and those who do evil (Psalm 5:4-6; 11:5). Proverbs 6:16-19 outlines seven things the Lord hates: pride, lying, murder, evil plots, those who love evil, false witness, and troublemakers. Notice that this passage does not include just things that God hates; it includes people as well.

            The question that begs to be answered at this point is why does God hate these things? God hates them because they are contrary to His nature—God’s nature being holy, pure and righteous. In fact, David writes, “For you are not a God who delights in wickedness; evil may not dwell with you” (Psalm 5:4 emphasis added). God is holy and hates sin. If He did not hate sin, He would not be holy. God is love, but He is also wrath, justice, and vengeance. But His wrath is a holy wrath and His justice and vengeance
            are holy as well. God’s love is holy. Therefore, He cannot “love
            everyone all the time no matter what they do,” as some like to claim. Nothing could be further from the truth. God loves righteousness and holiness and hates sin and evil. If He did not, He would not be God.

            So if God hates sin and loves holiness, how does He love us? Simple. He loves us because we have the righteousness of Christ who became sin for us on the cross (2 Corinthians 5:21). He poured out His wrath and vengeance against sin on His Son, so that He could pour out His mercy and love on us. But without that sacrifice credited to us, His wrath and hatred remain on us because He hates our sin. The Bible never says He “hates the sin, but loves the sinner.” In fact, He is “angry with the wicked every day” (Psalm 7:11). Is there a sense in which God loves everyone? Yes. Does that love preclude God from also hating sin, wickedness, and evil? No.

            Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/does-God-hate.html#ixzz3Jp7rX9Yf

            If you had the God of love in you, like him, in imitation of Christ, you would hate sin, because sin separates the lost from God forever and sin in the believer, causes a break in fellowship with him. You would hate sin, because you love the sinner. You would oppose sin and speak out against it, that the Holy Spirit in you might bring conviction of sin to a lost soul, turn them to God, cause them to repent and lead them to Christ for his salvation. So if you do not hate sin as our heavenly father hates sin, is because you have no love in you for the lost and dying of this world.

            Yes God is love, but what about when Jesus with the whip of cords drove the money changers out of the temple and kicked over their tables, was Jesus not acting in love? When John the Baptist reproved sinners and called them to repentance, calling some of them serpents and when he called King Herod and his wife adulterers and headed for destruction, was he not acting in the love of Jesus? When God promises in revelations that he will send down his wrath upon the whole Earth, where in innumerable men women and children will be slain, will he not be acting in the love of Jesus?

          • Joe Blow

            Stop sending me your unwanted e-mail because I do not nor will I respond to nastiness.I want you to know that Jesus did not or from what I have read would not call others names and his message wasn’t about hurting others he was spreading his message about how much he loved us and wants us to love others and doesn’t want us to judge others because he is the only one that will judge.Please reread what Christ expects of us because what you are putting out is not the Christian teachings I was taught about are loving father expects from us.

          • Neiman

            I think you are having a mental breakdown. I have not sent you any emails, I don’t have your email address.

            What nastiness? What names have I called you?

            What about when Jesus called the religious leaders serpents (Matthew 12:34) and blind leaders of the blind, thieves and being twice the children of hell as those they hurt (Matthew 23:15)? So, Jesus spoke harshly to some people, trying to awaken them their being in danger of the fires of hell, seeking their repentance and salvation. But, I have somehow sinned against you? What names have I called you?

            You are great at playing the self-righteous martyr and attacking me, but you have never debated a single thing I have said, not a word of agreement or a reproof from Scripture, only displaying your hurt feelings. You don’t know love at all, certainly not for the lost, you only have a flesh based, emotional, saccharine sweet form of love and think yourself superior, while you would rather see people stay in their sins and go to hell, than offend anyone and according to your carnal standards appear to be loving.

          • Joe Blow

            I’m praying for you and you still have time to repent.You know that repent means to change ones mind and I hope you do and read what Jesus wants from us and not man.I guess you have a look of rethinking to do because from your words and actions it seems you have a lot of misguided truths that man has written and looks like you took it hook line and sinker to think that God would have said such things.I’ll pray for you because I feel sorry for you being so gullible as to think what you’re putting out is of God.Please rethink and don’t respond to me because you need the time to muddle through all of your misguided truths.Hope you repent because that lake of fire won’t be like the lake you are use to and I doubt that you will be doing the back stroke in it.Yes if you want to know Gods love it is the best if you were trying to find out with your misguided writings and you can bask in it too if you repent.I wish you well and that you will stop puffing long enough to read Gods word and not mans and repent.

          • Neiman

            While I covet the prayers of any true Christian, as I have plenty of faults and fail God often, I have to seriously doubt your being a Christian as you defend the sins of homosexuality and gay marriage and indeed will not speak out and oppose any sin at all, you refuse to say you hate sin, as God hates sin. You never appeal to God’s Word and you consistently reject His Word when it is offered in defense of the Truth. Your love is sin condoning, making light of sin, all saccharine sweet and not based on how God defines love. So, all of these things being true, I cannot know what god you are praying to and so I would prefer you not.

            As to my repentance, don’t worry, I am born again, I am already part of the Body of Christ, His only true Church, according to His Word I am already, in Him, seated in heavenly places, I cannot come into condemnation or judgment. So, I am absolutely secure, my faults notwithstanding, of my salvation.

            While I do refer to God’s ministers that have proven they walk in the Truth and I often use their work rather than repeat what they have said; but, in all things, unlike you, first I absolutely trust in God my Savior, I rely solely on His Word for all Truth and I have the Holy Spirit within. Unlike you, I know that the Love of God demands we hate sin, first in ourselves and then the world. If we truly, like Christ, love the lost, we will not refrain from exposing sin as being sin, that the lost having their sins made clear and the penalty for those sins, by the Holy Spirit, will repent, which is to turn away from those sins, accept God’s gift of salvation by grace, by faith in Jesus as Savior and Lord.

            By the way, it has not escaped my attention that you call me to repentance, without proving I have sinned at all, except I do not meet your purely emotional definition of love and that you refuse to call homosexuals to repent of their homosexual sins. So, it is only Bible believing Christians that you call to repentance, not those that openly rebel against God by virtue of their gross sexual immorality.

            Considering all the above, are you honest enough to say what organized religious group you belong to, so I can use that to understand your beliefs better?

          • pax2u

            and based on your hatred of Christians all here doubt you are a Christian

            but I ask all Christians here to pray for your eternal soul

          • pax2u

            so you have not sinned at all?

          • pax2u

            it is best that you have no organized religious group and hide or are you ashamed?

          • Joe Blow

            P.S. Stop sending e-mails to me because I do not respond or will to name calling or ignorance I know what Christ expects of me and that is not to judge others or to get all puffed up thinking I know more than others.He is the only judge that matters to me and I know that his message is how much he loves us and wants us to love others.I have no time for negativity in my life and so as I said I shake the dirt off that you brought to my door and I know the message that Christ gave to us on how to treat others so thanks but no thanks to your perception of his word I know it and will not deviate from it.

  • Ronald Freitas

    homosexuality is pedophilia homosexuals exploit our children protect our children at any cost

    • BeWhoYouAre

      Homosexuality is not pedophilia. Most gay men don’t look for underage lovers.

      • TheSotSays

        The cops seem to think Terry does

  • Tim Sipes

    These beings are not fit for habitation with humanity. They should be neutered, put in stocks and then beat with canes daily for about a year.

    • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

      George Carlin had a bit about that.

  • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

    The scriptures clearly state what not to do. We are all susceptible to temptation by Satan, but we have the right to control our actions. Sodom and Gomorrah are not acceptable in God’s eyes.. maybe this will teach them all.

  • BeWhoYouAre

    Still trying to figure out how this is “Christian news”.

    • Le Cajun du foux

      First you have to know what Christianity really is. You have no idea what so ever. Then you would possibly understand why this is “Christian News.” Go study scripture very carefully for about 20 years and then come back and re read what is said here especially the silly stuff you have provided.

      • BeWhoYouAre

        You really aren’t qualified to make that recommendation since you are not a Christian yourself, but a fundamentalist.

        • Le Cajun du foux

          God does not call the qualified, he qualifies the called. If you knew anything about Christianity you would know that true Chrisianity is fundamental. God is clear do not add nor take away from his word. What you think you know as Christianity is nothing but Hell spawned lies designed to deceive the easily fooled like yourself. If you think calling me a fundamentalist is an insult, you are sadly mistaken, I take that as a compliment. It means I am doing what I am supposed to and being chastised as Jesus was by the religious leaders of his day. Short break so I I hope I can get through all of these quickly. Most of them are way to simple but now and then I really have to slam you upside the figurative head.

          • Phipps Mike

            ” you would know that true Chrisianity is fundamental.”

            100% wrong, the Bible is full of parables and stories that are NOT true.

  • Le Cajun du foux

    This is a very intersting find.

    “Student Sues School After Being Suspended Over Shari…

    BeWhoYouAre Chrissy Vee 8 hours ago

    But what about all the people who know your message and have heard it already, countless times, and do not believe it? Is it right to continue to bother them?”

    This is from the biggest bother on this article. Seems he loves to come to this particular web site and stir up trouble. Bashes people who state homosexuality leads to greater sins and crimes of pedophilia Bashes people who lay bare the truth of false Chrisitianity that is Catholicism but calls Bible belieiving born again Christianity fundamentalist trash. In short runs all over Christian News bothering people constantly.

    • BeWhoYouAre

      You are the one who wants to stone gay people to death and see them burn in hell, not me.

      • Le Cajun du foux

        There you go putting words in my mouth for me. Since you can’t come up with your own supporting documentation you are going to create some lies and say I said them. I never said I wanted to stone homosexuals. They are not my problem. Jesus will deal with them and they will face the consequences of their perverse desires. I also don’t want to see them burn in hell and never said I did. I did say they will face that consequence for their actions if they do not repent in time. If that is harsh take it up with Jesus.

        Well this has been fun but I have to go to work now. I will touch back with you when I get off but I have to hurry. The security guys at the new Utah NSA facility don’t like it when I come in late. It interrupts their coffee break. So off with me to another boring night of tracking down trolls and collecting their info to store in the database. Thank you for palying along. It has allowed me to do my job more efficiently. Tally ho and cheers in your sins.

        • Phipps Mike

          Security guys cannot be fundamentalist Christians because fundamentalists are WIMPS>

          • Le Cajun du foux

            Did you actually learn to read? I never said I was the security personnel. Well as wimp when I am weak that is when I am strong in Christ Jesus. As Meshac, Shadrac and Abednego said, My God is able to save me if he so chooses. No matter how bad you think you are you will only hurt the body, you will never touch the soul. I am not worried about facing you because your soul is already lost.

          • pax2u

            the fake cajun from utah has proven his quality on this topic today

  • Reason2012

    There’s no such thing as homosexuals – only people who currently enjoy homosexuality. And adults continue to permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”, proving it’s not genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.

    And this is what God says about sin and specifically homosexuality:

    Romans 1:26-27 ”For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their_lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ”Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [men who willingly take on the part of a “woman” with another man], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [s odomites], (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

    1 Timothy 1:9-10 ”Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For_whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind [s odomites], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”

    Jude 1:7 ”Even as_Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

    Luke 17:29 ”[Jesus said] But the same day that Lot went out of_Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”

    Matthew 19:4-6 ”And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

    Jesus made it quite clear God made us male and female so that a man will leave his father and mother (not two fathers, not three mothers and so on) and cleave onto his wife (not his husband and so on).

    The Word of God rebukes us all – even if we all try to say we don’t believe the Bible, the very Word of God will be our judge when we face Him. And God is a righteous judge and will judge us all – not turn a blind eye to our sin. Do not be deceived by the world: it’s God we will have to convince that His word was a lie, not men. What happened in Noah’s day when the entire world rejected God? Did God spare them because there were so many? No – they all perished except for Noah and his family!

    Proverbs 9:10 ”The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.”

    God spared not His chosen people – we are kidding ourselves if we think He will spare the United States of America if we choose to blatantly turn away from Him.

    Jeremiah 12:17 ”But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.”

    Genesis 19:7-9 “And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. (8) Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. (9) And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.”

    Luke 17:28-30 “So also as it was in the days of Lot: they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; (29) but the day Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from the heaven and destroyed them all. (30) Even so it shall be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.”

  • Peter

    Numerous studies have shown homosexuals are ten times more likely to be a pedophile that heterosexuals are…. male homos like those boy butts, homosexual depravity is despicable

    • Phipps Mike

      you speak out of your OWN butt. You are 100% WRONG.

  • Peter

    “Eight major studies of identical twins in Australia, the U.S., and Scandinavia during the last two decades all arrive at the same conclusion: gays were not born that way. . . .“Identical twins have the same genes or DNA. They are nurtured in equal prenatal conditions. If homosexuality is caused by genetics or prenatal conditions and one twin is gay, the co-twin should also be gay. “‘Because they have identical DNA, it ought to be 100%,’ Dr. [Neil] Whitehead notes. But the studies reveal something else. ‘If an identical twin has same-sex attraction the chances the co-twin has it are only about 11% for men and 14% for women.’ “Because identical twins are always genetically identical, homosexuality cannot be genetically dictated. ‘No-one is born gay,’

  • Vross

    So much for the myth homosexuals like to perpetuate that child molesters are all heterosexuals. Fact is, while some have preference, most child molesters have little to no real gender preference in their victims…which means most of them are not heterosexual, and are, when they are not strictly homosexual, at least bi-sexual. Homosexual pedophiles are, in fact, so common they even have their own organization… NAMBLA… the North American Man Boy Love Assn.

    • Phipps Mike

      ” Homosexual pedophiles ”
      no such thing. You are either a homosexual OR a pedophile since pedophiles prefer BOTH for their innocence.

  • DD

    Are there any moderators on this site? There are ‘discussions’ that have gotten way out of hand and some of these comments need to be reported, removed and the poster banned from this site, however, I don’t see a way to report the most offensive ones. Calling people filthy names, displaying rage against another poster, and making threats should not be tolerated, especially on a site that calls itself Christian.

  • Peter Leh

    As soon as i read:

    “Bean is additionally recognized as one of the largest Democratic donors in
    Oregon, especially surrounding financial contributions made to Barack
    Obama’s election efforts, which are stated to be in excess of $1 million
    dollars.”

    i knew he was a child rapist. (sarcasm off) 🙂

  • rach

    Christians: Stephen Collins raping children, Bill Cosby raping women and tens of thousands of child rape cases in churches across the world from multiple denominations prove that such things are common place in the Christian world yet one case of indecent behavior from a gay man proves that all LGBT peoples are like this, really, thank god I’m an atheist.

  • Le Cajun du foux

    Looks like all the Jesus haters and liars have given up. What a bunch of wimps and cowards. Can spew only so much stupidity before they have to give up. Well they will have a very warm reception waiting for them after their appointment with the Great White Judgment throne. Then we will see how much water their philosophy, psychology, and statistics hold. There ain’t no fooling Jesus. He sees the heart and the intent.

    • Phipps Mike

      people DO sleep. Dont think for a minute that I will EVER subscribe to your bigoted ways.

  • Phipps Mike

    315 comments……wow!!! Just a message to all. If one TRULY believes the Bible is against homosexuality, they are not guilty of bigotry, if they hate homosexuality because it makes them uncomfortable, then they ARE a bigot. Its not our choice to be comfortable by disallowing others their personal freedoms.

  • Peter White

    Well – how sad (though I somehow doubt that the 15 year-old boy they “raped” was forced into it, since they contacted him over the internet and met up in a hotel room).

    Strange how, even several days later, I can find ho hint of this story anywhere but on conservative Christian news-sites

    • Neiman

      That is why this site is depended upon by so many Christians to get the news.