Tylenol Promotes Lesbianism in New Commercial: ‘Our Definition of Family Is Expanding’

TylenolA new commercial released by the popular pharmaceutical company Tylenol features a lesbian twosome, along with the ex-husband of one of the women, who raise their children together as a family.

The commercial is part of Tylenol’s “What Matters Most” video series, which focuses on American families.

“For 60 years, the makers of Tylenol have helped to care for families,” a description of the video, which has been viewed over 55,000 times, outlines. “To celebrate the holidays this year, the makers of Tylenol decided to put a modern spin on Norman Rockwell’s classic holiday painting ‘Freedom From Want’ to help illustrate how modern families come together to celebrate what matters most during the holidays.”

Abigail Rockwell, the granddaughter of Norman Rockwell, opens the commercial.

“Norman Rockwell painted America’s story for sixty plus years,” she states. “Our definition of family is now expanding and blossoming, so it’s not this rigid, fixed picture of what the family is.”

The advertisement then introduces viewers to what is known as the Beser Carr Schneider Musich family.

“Craig and I were married for 10 years. We’ve known each other since we were 12,” one of the women, identified as Rachel, explains. “When we divorced, we had Cole and Elias, and we decided that they should never be divided between the households.”

  • Connect with Christian News

Another woman then outlines that she began a relationship with Rachel when she and Craig were separated.

“Rachel and I started dating with Craig’s blessing,” she states.

But the women explain that when they brought another young boy into the home, they were concerned that he would grow up without a father. And so, Rachel thought of her husband again, who she thought would help raise him and serve as the father figure.

“We don’t talk about halves or steps,” Craig says. “We talk about family and siblings and parents, and the willingness to remain included.”

“I’m extremely proud of my family,” a third woman states. “We’ve had our rough moments, and we’ve worked hard to be the family that we are, but everybody right here is what matters. We’re a family that’s trying to raise our children. We just happen to be four parents trying to raise our children.”

It is not clear if the woman is Craig’s new wife or exactly what relationship she has to the others.

“Family is what you make it out to be,” Rockwell concludes.

Tylenol is among a myriad of corporations that have sought to include homosexuality in their marketing or have announced their support for same-sex “marriage.”

As previously reported, DirecTV and CVS both recently came out with commercials featuring homosexuals, and in San Francisco, Burger King advertised its “proud Whopper” earlier this year, while Nabisco promoted its Honey Maid grahams and Teddy Grahams in a commercial that featured a homosexual couple.

In 2012, cereal giant General Mills came out in support of same-sex “marriage,” and dessert mix company Betty Crocker did the same a year later, donating cakes to three homosexual twosomes for their “wedding.” JC Penney published Mother’s Day and Father’s Day print ads depicting homosexual couples in 2012, and in 2009, the Campbell’s Soup Company placed a two-page ad featuring two lesbians in the homosexual publication “The Advocate.”


A special message from the publisher...

Dear Reader, our hearts are deeply grieved by the ongoing devastation in Iraq, and through this we have been compelled to take a stand at the gates of hell against the enemy who came to kill and destroy. Bibles for Iraq is a project to put Arabic and Kurdish audio Bibles into the hands of Iraqi and Syrian refugees—many of whom are illiterate and who have never heard the gospel.Will you stand with us and make a donation today to this important effort? Please click here to send a Bible to a refugee >>

Print Friendly
  • Gary

    Everyone involved in this is perverted, with the possible exception of the children. The two women and the man certainly are. And the people who make Tylenol certainly are. As is Abigail Rockwell.

    • BarkingDawg

      as are you.

      • Gary

        Prove it.

        • BarkingDawg

          you just did.

          • Gary

            Just to be clear, you are a homosexual, aren’t you?

          • BarkingDawg

            Why do you ask? Are you looking for a date?

          • Gary

            I have no romantic interest in you. I just want to identify who is making comments.

          • Spoob

            Just to be clear, you’re a fundamentalist, aren’t you?

          • Gary

            Yes, I am. And thankful to be one.

          • James Grimes

            Amen to that.

          • Spoob

            God, I am so eternally thankful that i am NOT.

          • Gary

            I also am eternally thankful that you are not a Christian.

          • Spoob

            I’m a Christian, just not a fundie.

          • Gary

            No, you are not a Christian. You do not believe the Bible and you endorse evil.

          • Spoob

            What an amazing power you have, to tell people what they believe rather than ask them. No, I think I know far better than you do that I’m a Christian and that the Bible does not say what you think it does.

          • Gary

            The Bible says that what we now call homosexuality is wicked. It also says that marriage is the union of a man and a woman who are qualified to marry each other. You have already shown that you reject the Bible.

          • Spoob

            Stop tell me what I believe. You don’t know me, you don’t know the first thing about me. I don’t reject the Bible, I reject stupid interpretations of it that people like you use to bolster your hateful opinions.

          • MarcAlcan

            I’m a Christian and that the Bible does not say what you think it does.
            In this instance, yes it does. Perhaps not in others but in this one he is correct.

          • Spoob

            And what if these people choose not to embrace the religion you have? They have that right. They are not ruled by fundamentalist Christianity. Regardless of what the Bible says.

          • MarcAlcan

            I also am eternally thankful that you are not a Christian.

            Now that is a stupid thing to say. We should all wish that everyone is a Christian.

          • Christl Moberly Domina

            I am a married, heterosexual woman, and I support all people in any lifestyle they choose as long as they are not hurting anyone. “Christian” haters are the evil, immoral ones here.

          • MarcAlcan

            as long as they are not hurting anyone.

            Define “not hurting anyone”.

            “Christian” haters are the evil, immoral ones here.

            And how do you know that they are haters. They can equally say that you are haters of what is good, true and beautiful.
            That is nothing more than bullying tactic, trying to shut them up by labelling them as haters.
            We should all hate sin.

      • Neiman

        You are a hater, aren’t you? By your many posts here, it appears that you deeply, passionately hate Christ and all Christians. You seem to hate the very idea that there are moral/spiritual standards outside your own perverted view of the world.

        Why not just be honest and admit you are a sodomite?

        • BarkingDawg

          Why not just be honest and admit you are a sodomite?

          Why, so that you can justify your hate?

          • Neiman

            A. Isn’t honesty better that deception?
            B. I do not hate anyone, no, not even homosexuals.
            C. I only hate homosexual conduct, because I believe according to God’s Word, unrepented, it separates those souls from God and eternal life. It is for love of homosexuals, I oppose their lifestyle and want them saved.

    • James Grimes

      Gary, disregard the Atheist. He is having another bad day.

    • thoughtsfromflorida

      “The three women and the man certainly are.”

      The two women who are a couple are ensuring that their children are either 1. seeing the strong involvement of their birth father, in the case of 2 of them. or 2. that the third child has a father-figure as a part of his life. What is perverted about that?

      The man is taking an active role in raising his children as well as being a father figure for another child. What is perverted about that?

      The third woman has married the man and is supportive of the children being raised in a loving environment. What is perverted about that?

      “And the people who make Tylenol certainly are.”

      So everyone who works in a Tylenol factory is perverted?

      “As is Abigail Rockwell.”

      In what way is Abigail Rockwell perverted?

      • Gary

        Your rejection of morality is noted.

        • thoughtsfromflorida

          Your inability to answer questions about what you said is noted.

          I certainly do not reject morality. What would lead you make such a statement?

          • Gary

            You promote immorality. You cannot do that without also rejecting morality.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            Oh, so you believe that if a person doesn’t share the same moral code as you, that they reject morality, is that correct?

          • Gary

            God alone defines morality. We all either agree with him, or we reject morality.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            So anyone who is not Christian rejects morality and has no morals, correct?

          • MarcAlcan

            So anyone who is not Christian rejects morality and has no morals, correct?

            Not necessarily.
            But the atheist is a moral hypocrite. He believes in a morality which cannot be supported by his world view.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “He believes in a morality which cannot be supported by his world view.”

            How so?

          • MarcAlcan

            Well, an atheist does not believe in a Creator.
            So most likely he believes that we are all just by products of chemical reactions, that happened to just appear from nowhere and nothing.
            Where do you get right and wrong from randomly evolved by product of chemical reactions?

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “Where do you get right and wrong from randomly evolved by product of chemical reactions?”

            From any number of sources. Unless you are a believer in the Adam and Eve story, tell me this: Prior to the writing of the bible, where did people get their sense of right and wrong from? How did they develop their laws? Many, many belief systems predate Christianity and not all were based upon a belief in a single creator. Yet, those societies had laws and moral codes. There are societies today in which people do not ascribe to an unseen creator, yet those societies have moral codes. How is that possible under the scenario you put forth?

          • MarcAlcan

            From any number of sources.

            Okay. Name them and explain how you can derive morality from materialism.

            Many, many belief systems predate Christianity and not all were based upon a belief in a single creator.

            But they are all predicated in a belief in some kind of deity.

            Yet, those societies had laws and moral codes.

            And those societies also had human sacrifices and child sacrifices. Those societies considered women as chattels. You think that is a good idea? Is that moral?

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            The Bible, the Koran, the teachings of Buddha, Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, etc.,

            “But they are all predicated in a belief in some kind of deity.”

            Not all. Buddhism for example.

            “And those societies also had human sacrifices and child sacrifices.”

            Some did – some didn’t.

            “Those societies considered women as chattels.”

            As did Christianity.

            “You think that is a good idea?”

            No, I don’t.

            “Is that moral?”

            It is inconsistent with my moral beliefs.

          • MarcAlcan

            The Bible, the Koran, the teachings of Buddha, Plato, Aristotle, Socrates, etc.,

            Okay so you are not following this:

            Here is how the conversation went:

            Me:Where do you get right and wrong from randomly evolved by product of chemical reactions

            You:From any number of sources

            Me:Okay. Name them and explain how you can derive morality from materialism.

            Then you reply with the above.
            Sorry but that does not answer the question of how do you derive morality from materialism.
            Try again.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “explain how you can derive morality from materialism.”

            I don’t derive my morals from materialism. Therefore, I can not explain how such a thing would be done.

          • MarcAlcan

            I don’t derive my morals from materialism. Therefore, I can not explain how such a thing would be done.

            Well why in the world would you not have said that in the first place when that is the question?
            So let’s take a look at your list:
            Since you obviously take your pick form all these, how do you know that you’ve picked the correct ones?
            How do you know that it is true.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “Since you obviously take your pick form all these, how do you know that you’ve picked the correct ones?”

            Correct in what way? How would one determine if they are “correct” as opposed to “incorrect”? According to what criteria?

            “How do you know that it is true.”

            Same questions as above. True versus false?

            How do you know what you have chosen as your moral guide is “correct” and “true”?

          • MarcAlcan

            Correct in what way? How would one determine if they are “correct” as opposed to “incorrect”? According to what criteria?

            Exactly my point!!
            You basically make up your own morality as you go and everyone else can do the same.
            But what happen when my morality clashes with yours?
            What if I think it is perfectly moral for me to bash you? Would that be okay by your standards? After all, I am also making up my morality as I go.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “You basically make up your own morality as you go and everyone else can do the same.”

            No, I do not “make up my morality as I go”.

            Yes, people are free to decide for themselves what they believe is moral and what is not. They have always had that freedom.

            “What if I think it is perfectly moral for me to bash you?”

            You are free to believe whatever you care to. if, however, you act on that belief in a way that is contrary to law, then you will face the consequences of your actions. But yes, while I would disagree with you, it would certainly be OK with me if you wanted to believe that it would be moral for your to “bash” me. It’s not up to me to tell you what you should believe is moral and what is not.

          • MarcAlcan

            No, I do not “make up my morality as I go”.

            But you do. You just told me so. You pick from Buddhism, Paganism, etc,etc.

            You are free to believe whatever you care to. if, however, you act on that belief in a way that is contrary to law, then you will face the consequences of your actions.

            Sorry but that is dumb. Legal does not mean moral. In Muslim countries, it is perfectly okay to stone an adulterer to death. In some very strict Muslim countries it is legal to kill apostates.
            Before in America it was not legal to kill a baby in the womb, now the genocide is sanctioned by law.
            So, suppose it happened that I became very powerful and made it a law that it is okay to bash someone whom you have perceived to have wronged you. Well then, it’s a free for all.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “But you do. You just told me so. You pick from Buddhism, Paganism, etc,etc.”

            Please point to where I said I picked from “Paganism”.

            “making it up as you go” would indicate that I have beliefs about morality and that I simply decide as each situation presents itself. That is not true.

            “Sorry but that is dumb.”

            What is dumb? Is it dumb to say that you are free to believe whatever you care to about what is moral or what is not? Or is it dumb that if you act upon that belief in a way that is contrary to law that you will face consequences?

            “Legal does not mean moral.”

            Agreed. There are many things that are legal which some people view as not being moral.

            “So, suppose it happened that I became very powerful and made it a law that it is okay to bash someone whom you have perceived to have wronged you. Well then, it’s a free for all.”

            It certainly would be a free for all regarding bashing. It would also be a dictatorship and a place where a constitution like ours was not in effect. Did you have a point?

          • MarcAlcan

            Oh, so you believe that if a person doesn’t share the same moral code as you, that they reject morality, is that correct?

            Sorry but that is dumb. Are there supposed to be different moral codes? Is one moral code right for one and not for the other? That is no moral code at all but a personal preference according to what one feels.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “Sorry but that is dumb.”

            I agree. It was his contention, not mine.

            “Are there supposed to be different moral codes? Is one moral code right for one and not for the other?”

            There are a variety of moral codes. Even within individual faiths, there is not agreement on a single moral code. I can’t say if there is “supposed” to be different moral codes, but there certainly are.

            “That is no moral code at all but a personal preference according to what one feels.”

            Believing in the contents of the Bible is a personal preference according to what one feels. As is believing in any faith.

          • MarcAlcan

            Even within individual faiths, there is not agreement on a single moral code.

            But believing in different moral codes is totally different to THE moral code.
            Let’s suppose that for you bashing people is not okay but for me bashing is okay. Would it be okay for me to bash you just because it is part of my moral code.
            What makes your moral code the right one over mine?

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “But believing in different moral codes evades the question of whether there is such a thing as a universal moral code.”

            It would appear that there is not, as moral codes depend on interpretations. Tell me, who would get to determine a universal moral code?

            “People’s perceptions may differ but the moral code itself must be objective or else it is reduced to flavour of the moment and might.”

            “People’s perceptions may differ but the moral code itself must be objective”

            Agreed. However, an objective moral code does not require religion as a base.

            “or else it is reduced to flavour of the moment and might.”

            As it has always been.

            “Would it be okay for me to bash you just because it is part of my moral code.”

            Societies manage themselves based upon a set of guiding principals. These principals, in turn, serve as a basis for our laws regarding what is acceptable and what it not. In the US, those principals are contained in the constitution. As citizens of the US, we have agreed, regardless of personal religious belief or lack thereof or personal beliefs as to what is moral or what is not, that we will live according to these principals, or face punishment for failing to do so. So, no, regardless of your personal views on morality, it would not be acceptable for you to bash me on the head, as it would violate my rights as a citizen.

            “What makes your moral code the right one over mine?”

            I would ask you the same question.

            “If I have more might and power than you I can live out my moral code and bash you and you would not be able to do anything about it.”

            Hence the reason for our constitution protecting the rights of each citizen regardless of what the majority may view as moral or immoral.

            “Do you seriously think that that would be okay because” we live according to different moral codes”.”

            No, I don’t.

            Moral codes, as a basis for how one lives their personal life, are different from societal laws. The Bible was compiled (by man) approximately 2000 years ago. it’s contents have not changed. Yet, in that time, the Christian view of what is moral and what is not has changed many times. As one example, let’s look at the Puritans. They believed it was moral to brand the foreheads of non-believers and to burn people at the stake. Another example – during the expansion into the western part of the US, there was a belief that it was moral to slaughter Native Americans because they were “heathens”. You can go back further to the Crusades and other events that Church leaders all labeled as “moral”.

            So, given that views of what is moral and what is not have changed over the centuries, even within the Christian faith, and that there are differing views of morality to this day within the Christian faith, how is possible to state that current views of morality as defined by Christians are without question? Further, which sect of Christianity should get to define what is moral and what is not? Southern Baptist? Catholic? Methodist? Amish?

            I do so hope it’s not the Amish. I’ve grown quite fond of electricity.

          • MarcAlcan

            Agreed. However, an objective moral code does not require religion as a base.

            Okay then. You ‘ve managed to avoid answering this.
            Make your case for a moral code on a world view that says we are nothing more than randomly evolved chemical reactions.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “Make your case for a moral code on a world view that says we are nothing more than randomly evolved chemical reactions.”

            How is the nature of the existence of man relevant to moral codes?

            Moral codes, regardless of the nature of the existence of man, are the product of man’s beliefs. They vary from society to society and have changed over time. They come from the writings of man. They are not dependent upon a belief system, as evidenced by the existence of moral codes long before the Christian belief system as to the nature of man’s existence, as well as the current existence of moral codes in societies that do not believe in the biblical basis for man’s existence.

  • Neiman

    This was always the goal of the militant homosexual activists, liberals and the Democrat Party, the destruction of the family. Pretending that there are many descriptions of family and marriage, painting lovely pictures of gross perversions of the family. These people have condemned themselves and this nation; Tylenol and so many corporations have sold their own souls, they have sold the American dream for a mess of pottage, they now only serve the god Mammon and they do not care how it destroys the moral and spiritual fabric of America and the world.

    How long O Lord before you loose your wrath on this vile, wicked, perverted world? Surely we only deserve destruction and hell for how far we have fallen, how we have sold out national and global soul to the Devil.

    • Spoob

      Oh pfft, “militant homosexual activists.” How come the only people who know about this so-called homosexual agenda are religious right-wing haters? This is a family as solid as any other – homosexuality isn’t some disease that needs to be cured, medical science has been telling you that for years, when are you going to listen to them?

      • Neiman

        You do not, you cannot see it nor appreciate the dangers of it, because you have no spiritual or moral foundation or anchor outside yourself, no spiritual light so that you can see into the darkness of the thing. Without your having that spiritual light, there is no purpose in discussing the matter, it is like a man from Mars and a fellow from Venus trying to communicate, by their wholly different natures, they are aliens to each other in every possible way.

        Just because medical science has surrendered to Left Wing political correctness and to save their careers have changed course from what they always knew to be scientific truth that this is a mental/emotional illness, it does not change the facts. While it is not a biological disease and no one has advanced that idea, it is surely a spiritual and moral disease, a malignant, spiritual/moral cancer that is metastasizing and destroying the family, our nation and the world.

        I will never listen to them or you, if the whole world conspires against the Truth, I have an immovable and sure rock in God’s Word and in the end, after you Leftists and gay militants have spread your moral- spiritual cancer all over the world, causing hundreds of millions of deaths and destroyed civilization, as you face everlasting punishing, you will know you were wrong and it will be too late.

        • Spoob

          What you’re really saying is “you don’t believe what I do therefore you are sick and evil.” No. I do not believe what you do BECAUSE it is sick an evil. You don’t have a monopoly on morality. Your beliefs are such that you would exclude and cause pain to your fellow human beings, and you do so as a result of a very narrow interpretation of a 2000 year old book.

          Medical science doesn’t kowtow to political agendas. They simply do studies and present findings, and when they happen to contradict your beliefs you don’t like it and you have a tantrum like a small child.

          I will never stop fighting against people like you who use your Bible and your religion to justify hatred and bigotry and intolerance.

          • Neiman

            Talk abut a tantrum – whew, you just threw a big one.

            I never said I have a monopoly on morality, I said God’s Word contains all that is necessary for moral living and anything outside His Word is immoral. Don’t like it, argue with Him. Oh, I forgot, you can’t, you are an atheist,

            I have spent a good deal of my life in medical science, in field, laboratory and clinical research and in clinical medicine. These scientists have their careers at stake and they must submit to liberal orthodoxy or die professionally. They dare not present any data that opposes that liberal dogma or they will not get published, they will not get peer reviewed, they will not get tenure and they will not advance in their careers.

            You leftists are the most intolerant people on the planet, you will not tolerate any opposition to your liberal agenda. You force your views and your immorality on everyone. Your bigotry against Christians is well documented.

          • Spoob

            Guess what, you aren’t the only Christian who claims to follow God’s word. There are plenty more who have no issue with people being gay or lesbian and they are no less Christian than you are. They think you’re interpreting God’s word incorrectly and so do I.

            What you suggest about science being cowed by the liberal left is the most irresponsible and absurd thing I have ever heard. Data is data. It doesn’t care who likes it or or not. And the so-called “liberal left” would be far more inclined to take the news of being wrong well then the psychotic born agains.

            Get it straight – I am not the one telling people that the life they live is a sin or that God hates it or anything like that. See? That makes YOU the intolerant one. See how it works? See now why so many people are putting their foot down and not putting up with your lies and hate anymore?

          • Gary

            No real Christian supports homosexuality. But plenty of fake Christians do.

          • Spoob

            The fake Christians are the ones making this about hate and intolerance.

          • MarcAlcan

            There are plenty more who have no issue with people being gay or lesbian and they are no less Christian than you are.

            If they are simply loving the sinner and not tolerating the sin then yes. But if they are aiding and abetting the sinner in their sin, then that is a very grave sin.

            That makes YOU the intolerant one

            Quite wrong. It is the active homosexual that is the most intolerant because they want to force their depraved lifestyle on us and normalize it.
            Just take for example how they take to court Christian bakers and venue holders who refuse to bake a gay wedding cake for them.
            And because they have no reason (nada, zilch) they will try to control you by calling you homophobe and bigot. That is nothing more than a tactic and it was outline in that article I linked to. It is a bullying tactic and sadly it worked on so many who do not wish to be labelled a bigot and a homophobe. But in truth, they are the real bigots. And this is understandable.
            They have to be. The thin veneer of sanity and normalcy easily cracks under pressure so they have to resort to these bullying tactics.

          • Spoob

            How does one “aid and abet” a homosexual couple, simply by leaving them alone and allowing them to live their life? They are not bound to the rules of your religion, there is not a single reason in the world that they should be.

            There is nothing depraved about loving someone. And don’t go calling it lust, unless you’re prepared to say the same thing about your OWN relationship. This is a loving relationship no different than anyone else’s. You are the bully if you can’t allow people to live loving lives the way they want to.

          • MarcAlcan

            How does one “aid and abet” a homosexual couple, simply by leaving them alone and allowing them to live their life?

            Precisely because they are not just simply living their life.
            They want to sanitize their life and want to BULLY US into affirming their depravity.
            If they were just quietly being depraved by themselves. well God will deal with them.
            But no, they must make homosexuality a good. They must make the truth a lie.
            THAT is what we oppose.

          • Spoob

            I think gay people can make up their minds for themselves what is good and right and correct without the help of sad, scared, angry, repressed Christian supremacists.

          • Neiman

            If these so-called Christians you speak of have no problem with people being gay, lesbian or with gay marriage; they are at minimum practical atheists, for to do so they have to deny the Word of God that clearly condemns these things, among many other sins. Yet, God seems to have a special anger against homosexuality, which He compares to idolatry, something He hates. I do not interpret God’s Word, it is not subject to individual interpretation.

            You oppose me for saying that people live a life of sin, but God tells us that all have sinned, all have fallen short of the glory of God and are in need of salvation or they shall spend eternity in conscious torments. It is God that will not tolerate sin, He has judged sin and He caused His Son to pay the penalty for our sins, if only we repent and by faith accept His death on our behalf. God will not tolerate sin or other gods and your sense of toleration is to tolerate wickedness,to excuse sin and that makes you responsible for every soul you thereby lie into hell.

            I do not care what you think of science, it is not true science any longer, it is politically correct science and it is sets itself up against God.

          • Spoob

            Label them however you want. It doesn’t matter. You’re being hateful and bigoted towards people who aren’t hurting anyone. All your pronouncements about God’s wrath are just scare tactics. God will just everyone, and that includes yourself.

          • Neiman

            I am getting really sick of your nonsense.

            If I hated gays or was bigoted against them, versus objecting to all sin, I wold leave them alone and let them go to hell. But, in Ephesians 5:10 we read, “11 Have nothing to do with the fruitless deeds of darkness, but rather expose them.” So, in the love of God for these lost souls and others that sin in other ways, whether within the brethren, ourselves or the world, we are commanded to expose deeds of darkness that some might come to the light of God’s Word, repent and be saved.

            God will judge us all and that includes you. But, as I am born again by God’s Grace through faith, God has already judged my sins in Christ, He paid for them all and despite my failings, moment by moment, he keeps me in a state of repentance and keeps be sanctified.

          • Spoob

            And I am getting sick of your lies and hate. Day in and day out – it must get absolutely exhausting for you, telling other people how they should be living their lives.

            God will just us all, that’s true. But that’s not good enough for you, you have to judge and condemn and finger point at everyone who doesn’t do exactly as you do. Do you not see that Jesus said yours is the worst hypocrisy of them all – DO NOT JUDGE!

          • Neiman

            What lies? Be specific or go away.

            What hate, prove it!

            I do not tell anyone how to live their lives, I only say what God says in His Word. You don’t like it, take it up with God.

            If you knew anything about God or the Christian faith you would know we are to make righteous judgments and we are to speak against sin. Further, you don’t even know what the admonition against judging means. Your not being a Christian, you should avoid speaking out of gross ignorance.

          • Spoob

            God, man, you have the nerve to ask me “what lies”? It would be harder to know when you’re telling the truth.

            LIES – You constantly try to equate homosexuality with pedophilia, even though they are entirely different things. You have stated that a homosexual’s greatest desire is to pervert a child. That is a lie.

            LIES – You state that homosexuals “recruit”. They do not. That is a lie.

            HATE – You state that homosexuals are “perverts” – this is a lie and a sick insult and has no basis in fact, it is merely your hideously uninformed opinion.

            If THIS is the kind of thing that makes up “Christian Faith,” no wonder so many people consider fundamentalists to be completely out of their minds.

          • Gary

            You are God’s enemy, and you will be destroyed.

          • Spoob

            You’re not God, you are a fundie psychopath. You don’t get to pronounce who will be destroyed. But since you’re so keen on destroying the lives of others, my guess is you’ll be the one God has a special hot place for (shall we say).

          • Gary

            The Bible says who will be destroyed, not me. And, it says why they will be destroyed. You could read about it, if you wanted to.

          • Spoob

            If you actually think that’s what it says, then how about just leaving it up to God since it’s none of your business anyway and doesn’t affect your life in any way.

          • MarcAlcan

            and you do so as a result of a very narrow interpretation of a 2000 year old book

            You call yourself a Christian and you label the Bible as some 2000 year old book? Is that all it is to you?
            Then I am sorry but I think you are masquerading as a Christian.

          • Spoob

            Once again, telling me what I believe rather than asking. Why is it only fundamentalists who do this?

            Do you deny the Bible is a 2000 year old book? We know a lot more about human sexuality now than when it was written, regardless.

      • MarcAlcan

        Oh pfft, “militant homosexual activists.” How come the only people who know about this so-called homosexual agenda are religious right-wing haters?

        Because you have closed your mind and heart to the truth the same way they have.
        But if you really bother, you will find the information.

        • Spoob

          I haven’t closed my mind to anything, sir. I am the one listening to science and believing what science has to say. That’s REAL information, not that garbage you are peddling as “truth”.

          • MarcAlcan

            I haven’t closed my mind to anything, sir

            Then I dare you to read the article written by homosexuals which I linked to called the Overhauling of Straight American and also watch the videos I linked.
            You are all bluster. You are afraid of that truth.

          • Spoob

            I’m not afraid of anything. I already addressed your silly book. It’s written by two quite militant people and I doubt most homosexuals will even have heard of it. What point are you trying to make – that there are some militant homosexuals? I know that, I see them in pride parades. Does that mean ALL homosexuals go in pride parades and write books? Why do you have this idea that all homosexuals are the same and have this AGENDA against you? The facts point to quite the opposite – they tell of gay-bashing, violence, the Westboro Baptist Church, and other bullies who are insisting on having their own way.

          • MarcAlcan

            I’m not afraid of anything.

            Oh yes you are. You are afraid of the truth so you shore up so much stupid rationalizations.

            I already addressed your silly book. It’s written by two quite militant people and I doubt most homosexuals will even have heard of it

            It is not silly. It came out first as an article and because of it’s popularity it was turned into a book. And while not all homosexuals may be aware of it, one way or another, they are swimming along with its tactics and its propaganda. Just look at the common arguments of equality. It’s straight off that book.

            The facts point to quite the opposite – they tell of gay-bashing, violence, the Westboro Baptist Church,

            Don’t know much about the Westboro Baptist Church. But the violence that is out there on the internet is the violence that is coming from the gay lobby.

          • Spoob

            No, and in fact I want to be really clear about this. I’m not afraid of the truth. I know the truth, and I know what is hate, fear and bigotry masquerading as Christianity. I’ve known many, many people like you over the years who are so afraid and hateful that you turn your Christianity into a bludgeon against what you make no attempt to understand. Two militant homosexuals don’t represent the whole of homosexuality just as two fundamentalists don’t represent the whole of Christianity. There is no gay lobby. Gay people are dying because of Christians, you can run from that fact but you can’t deny it.

    • thoughtsfromflorida

      How is family being destroyed by “militant homosexuals activists, liberals, and the Democratic Party”?

      The American dream is liberty, freedom and equality. Do you not support that?

      • Neiman

        It was never the American dream to give license to such gross immorality. Our Founding Fathers often legislated against public immorality and those things that offended public decency.

        Since homosexual rights have become the center of the Leftist agenda, marriage rates have declined precipitously and divorce rates have soared. Out of wedlock babies, abortions and single parent families have become the norm, not the exception.

        • thoughtsfromflorida

          While you are certainly entitled to your views as to what is moral and what is not, your definition of what is moral and what is not, is not a determining factor in the rights of citizens. The constitution does not determine rights based upon what one person or group views as being “moral” or “immoral”.

          “Since homosexual rights have become the center of the Leftist agenda, marriage rates have declined precipitously and divorce rates have soared. Out of wedlock babies, abortions and single parent families have become the norm, not the exception.”

          You are attempting to turn a relationship of concurrence into a relationship of causality. Doing so is false. Marriage rates and divorce rates have been going in the direction they have been long before homosexual rights became an issue. The same with out-of-wedlock births, abortions, and single parent families. There is no relationship of causality between these things and equal rights for homosexuals.

          Massachusetts, where gay marriage has been legal for several years, has experienced increased marriage rates and has one of the lowest divorce rates in the nation. If what you said were true, that would not be case.

          • Neiman

            Back off your liberal, socialist crack pipe and pay attention. It is not MY view of morality, it is God’s Word. That is what Jefferson and our Founding Father’s knew, when they said we are created by Nature’s God, by our Creator, with certain inalienable rights. They were speaking of a moral standard that is outside of man, that is not subject to the whims, the caprice of frail, finite men; rather they are based on a sure, immovable Divine Standard. That is why Jefferson also encouraged the Christian Bible be taught in all our public schools to teach morality that only leads to good government.

            The moral degeneration that birthed the false idea that homosexuality is normal produced that atmosphere that contributed to the breakdown of marriage in America. It is a key component in the moral decline and degeneracy of America. I would not believe any statistics from one of the most godless, anti-Christ states in our nation.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “Back off your liberal, socialist crack pipe and pay attention.”

            Nice. You learn that in Bible study?

            “It is not MY view of morality, it is God’s Word.”

            it is what you have chosen to believe is God’s word. That does not make it so.

            “That is why Jefferson also encouraged the Christian Bible be taught in all our public schools to teach morality that only leads to good government.”

            Are you referring to the Jefferson who wrote his own version of the Bible, removing all references to miracles and the divinity of Jesus?

            “The moral degeneration that birthed the false idea that homosexuality is normal produced that atmosphere that contributed to the breakdown of marriage in America.”

            The breakdown of marriage began long before there was any emphasis on gay rights. it began with “no fault” divorce. If you want to put your energy into something that actually negatively affects marriage, you should start there.

            “I would not believe any statistics from one of the most godless, anti-Christ states in our nation.”

            Your choice. Your not believing them doesn’t change the facts.

          • Neiman

            Why is it you God hating liberals have no sense of humor?

            It is what God’s people have believed from the beginning of time.

            I am referring to a document you hate, The Declaration of Independence.

            No fault divorce and many factors played a role, the leading character was homosexuality that was the beginning of end of all morality in this country.

            They are not facts, they are damnable liberal facts.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “Why is it you God hating liberals have no sense of humor?”

            I’m not sure who you are referring to, but I most certainly do not hate God.

            If accusing someone of smoking crack is an indication of your “sense of humor”, you have quite a bizarre sense of humor.

            “It is what God’s people have believed from the beginning of time.”

            Since the Bible has not been around since the beginning of time, your statement is false.

            “the leading character was homosexuality that was the beginning of end of all morality in this country.”

            How has homosexuality led to a breakdown in marriage?

            “They are not facts, they are damnable liberal facts.”

            What is your basis for stating that the statistics on marriage and divorce in Mass. are not actual facts?

  • BarkingDawg

    big deal.

    If it bothers you that much, buy a different brand.

    • Gary

      I will.

  • James Grimes

    Just what we need… another big company coming out in support of a sick and sinful lifestyle. I gave up on Tylenol a few years ago when their liberalism began to assert itself. Shame on them.

    • BarkingDawg

      I’m sure they are really hurt by your rejection.

      • James Grimes

        I realize that everything in your life is so miserable and negative, but try for once to be nice to people. All, and I mean ALL, your comments on this site are meant to be insulting to Christians and straight people. Try not to make any comments, or if you feel compelled to do so, show some Christmas spirit. Otherwise, Christians will continue to regard all your comments as MEANINGLESS.

        • BarkingDawg

          If you are insulted by my pointing out that you are acting childish, then so be it.

          • MarcAlcan

            If you are insulted by my pointing out that you are acting childish, then so be it.

            And he wasn’t acting childish. You are.

        • James Grimes

          The Atheist once again proves my point. See his negative comment below.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            No your continued desire to post hatred proves his point. I’m an agnostic and confirmed Catholic. I’m calling you a self hating closeted homosexual that is doing everything Jesus told you not to do.

          • Susan Robitaille

            Just curious if you could be a bit more specific about this thing he is doing that Jesus didn’t do?

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            Jesus did not preach hate for others based on sexual orientation or race. I say race because the same arguments used by the right wingers is the same that was used against desecration and interracial marriage. The only ones that preached hate for homosexuals is man because they can’t accept something they view as not normal, when in fact it occurs in all walks of life and is completely natural.

          • Faithwalker

            just asking…you identify yourself as a agnostic Catholic…isn’t that an oxymoron?

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            Nope. I grew up and was raised Catholic. I decided after attending Catholic High School that my beliefs had changed to be an agnostic. But that doesn’t negate the fact that I am still a confirmed Catholic. Makes it easy to destroy right wing religious wing nuts arguments because I know more about the bible and religion than they do.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          I’m straight and I don’t find his comments insulting to straight people at all. Maybe to straight people who want gays to have no rights, but that’s their problem.

          Nor are his comments insulting to Christians. Many Christians favor gay rights. Some Christians are gay themselves. I know both.

          • TheSotSays

            Every time out, the biggest laugh is when they send in the paid trolling clown from the Human Rights Campaign (HRC) to tell everyone he’s “straight.”

          • Lela Duke

            According to the Bible They are not Christians. I very much resent them being ordained in some churches.

          • Mark McCauley

            And you’re certainly Hole-y enough to judge, now aren’t you?
            PRAISE!

      • Neiman

        No they were not, they made a cold calculation that the money was on the side of immorality and the destruction of marriage.

        • BarkingDawg

          “immorality and the destruction of marriage”…

          That is your viewpoint. not everyone else.

          • Neiman

            You are right for a change. In fact, most of the world opposes what I believe about the destructive nature of this lifestyle choice and those that support that lifestyle. I am in a very small minority and with time will be part of a miniscule, microscopic size minority and will be punished for my views. What I have though is God’s Word on my side and if the whole world conspires against it, I know His Word will judge all those that defend this lifestyle choice.

          • Samantha Johnson

            people have lead this “lifestyle” a lot longer than you think if god was against this then why haven’t they been punished. If it was such a sin gay people would’ve been wiped out long ago. So either your god doesn’t exist or if he does he doesn’t care

          • Neiman

            Yes and God has always not only spoken against it , but as a means of warning us of the consequences of this sin, He has even destroyed whole cities. Yet, He gave us free will and with that free will we could choose immorality and self destruction; and only rarely has He intervened, while He tells us that very soon in His wrath He will send down horrific judgments and virtually destroy the world and every evil soul in it. In the meantime, in His Word and by Him not keeping us from producing the evil, sick fruits of our own evil ways, He has in His Love warned us that we are courting destruction and hell. Liberals and all morally corrupt people have all but drowned out His voice in this generation, but soon will come Judgment and no cries, no appeals will reach His ears, he will not relent.

            What will you do then? He tells us you will ask the rocks to fall upon you to escape the pains of His wrath and yet still, rather than repent you will curse Him.

          • MarcAlcan

            people have lead this “lifestyle” a lot longer than you think if god was against this then why haven’t they been punished

            They were… in Genesis.
            But the greater punishment is to leave them in sin.
            As St Paul said, because they have traded the truth for the lie they have been left in their sin, in their perversion. Two things can happen, their utter depravity will highlight how awful their life is and cause them to repent. Or they can harden their hearts and sink even deeper into that depravity.

          • Susan Robitaille

            You don’t understand God’s nature, Samantha. It is patient and long-suffering and wishing that none would perish (choose hell over him). He allows freewill, and that includes the choice to do evil in his eyes, because that is the only way a person can choose to freely love him. If he interceded with all evil, then he would simply have little robots doing his bidding, and you cannot have real love in that paradigm.
            Also- he has wiped out the earth at one point (and a city, for the very son of sexual immorality and deviance), and he promised never to do it again.
            You can learn more about the nature of God by reading his word, the Bible. He is revealed in the person of Jesus Christ.

          • geena

            Homosexuality has been around since the OT, and yes, homosexuals have suffered for their sin – internally, emotionally, and physically. And many still are.

            The Bible tells us that God will “…turn people over to their lusts..,” in other words, their sexual desires are controlling them. Case in point.

            So 6000 years later…society is TRYING desperately to make homosexuality right and good and wholesome and normal – and while it is working, socially speaking, b/c so many are making amends with it, the problem still remains.

            It is STILL sin against God, and practicing homosexuals (like all people) will still have to stand before God and be accountable: did they serve their Savior, Jesus Christ, or give themselves over to their lusts to be their god?

          • Stephanie Boord

            God does exist, haven’t you seen the effects of sin on our nation. Maybe you should read the Bible. We have free will. Yes you can be a Christian and be Gay but then you’re not following the Bible. Jesus said to go and sin no more. He didn’t say ok you’re saved and keep sinning. We all sin, but were supposed to learn from it. The ultimate punishment however, is eternal damnation in Hell. Jesus is coming back soon, to take His followers home. When you see millions of people disappear, just remember that the world is going to be the worst it will ever be, but it won’t be as bad as it will be in Hell. It’s not to late to turn from your sin and follow Jesus. Btw, I do not hate gay people, hate goes against my relationship with Jesus. I do however hate sin, and homosexuality is a sin, and so is anything else that goes against Bibical beliefs.

          • Bold Bellle

            Judgment day…It’s coming and God is merciful by allowing sin to continue on earth…do not confuse mercy with absence.

          • Lela Duke

            If they don’t change when Jesus returns they will be judged. Oh yes Samantha he does exist.

          • Andy

            This line of yours makes no sense: “If it was such a sin gay people would’ve been wiped out long ago.”

            By that reasoning, then, you must believe that *nothing* is a sin.

          • Jennifer Bennett

            Awesome statement

          • dark477

            Your god’s word isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on.

          • MarcAlcan

            Your god’s word isn’t worth the paper it’s printed on.

            Actually He speaks the truth in this regard. And you know it too. Or else you would have come up with a proper reply instead of this nonsense.

          • dark477

            If I believed in god i would say so.

          • MarcAlcan

            If I believed in god i would say so.

            But we are not talking about belief in God but the rightness or wrongness of something. It just so happened that Neiman used God’s words.

          • MarcAlcan

            That is your viewpoint. not everyone else.

            But this is not about whether one believes this or that but whether the belief is true or false.
            Suppose you believe that one should be respectful and kind to all.
            Supposed I believe that it is okay for me to bash you till you are black and blue.
            Would it be okay for me to live my belief under the “that is your viewpoint and not everyone else’s”?

          • Andy

            Great job, MarcAlcan. I scrolled down to see if there was any kind of response, but of course the relativists and postmoderns have nothing useful to respond with.

          • http://buzzc.proboards.com/ Julius B. Carey

            Yeah, only about 98% of the earth’s population believe those words. Isn’t that correct BarkingDawg??? LoL.

        • MarcAlcan

          It is much more than that.
          This is all part of the big arm of the gay lobby.
          They are more insidious and have more clout than they is know.
          It is all part of the gay mobs move to normalize homosexuality and they have the money and people to bully everyone to their thinking.

          • Mark McCauley

            OOGA BOOGA! Be askeert! Be VERY askeert! “The gay lobby is after me!” Sorry, bub, but just because you’re paranoid, it doesn’t mean we’re NOT out to GETCHA! 🙂

        • Bruce Pelegrino

          My god the stupidity that flows through everything you posted is kind of sad.. The only thing destroying hetero marriage, is the high rates of divorce. Gay marriage has no impact on my marriage or your marriage. The only thing impacting your marriage is your stupidity and your continued desire to be a self hating homosexual. Time to come out of the closet Neiman!

          • Neiman

            Is that all you have, to accuse people that oppose the homosexual lifestyle of being homosexual? Pathetic, you Leftists all sing off the same tired old choir page, we can predict your every word.

            The sexually libertine, godless nature of the homosexual lifestyle has played a key role in the falsely called sexual liberation movement and their demanding to be seen as normal have all worked together to break down all sense of morality and decency in America.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            Yep because its 100% true. What you can’t accept is that homosexuality occurs in all walks of life, including your own. Its time you came out of the closet and admitted that you are in fact gay. The reality is you are just pissed off that no man will give you the time of day so you have come up with this cockamamie line of crap to excuse your behavior. You are a sick individual.

          • Neiman

            Prove it!

          • MarcAlcan

            Yep because its 100% true. What you can’t accept is that homosexuality occurs in all walks of life

            So do deformities, abnormalities and diseases.
            By your reasoning we should say these are all good.

            The reality is you are just pissed off that no man will give you the time of day so you have come up with this cockamamie line of crap to excuse your behavior. You are a sick individual.

            Those who engage in homosexual activity are the sick ones.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            But yet you do it on a daily basis with your boyfriend.

          • MarcAlcan

            You think that because you do it on a daily basis with yours?
            You think that because you engage in depravity others must do so as well?

        • http://www.nomorelost.org/ Gemma Hentsch

          What is immoral about recognising that some people are LGBT, and that they make awesome parents?

          • Neiman

            As long as they are engaged in these sinful sexual lifestyles, are unrepentant, not saved; they are not awesome parents as they are leading themselves and their children into the same condemnation as they will face. Thus they hate their partners, they hate their children and are not only not awesome parents, they are evil, hate filled parents.

      • The Lone Ranger

        Dawg their time to be hurt by rejection is coming without they turn and repent

      • Andy

        No, but they’ll be hurt by God’s wrath one day, if they don’t repent. (And that principle applies to me as much as to them.)

        • BarkingDawg

          “God’s wrath?”

          Why do insist on imbuing God with the emotional maturity of a three year old child?

          • Andy

            God tells us plainly that He is a God of absolute justice–and guess what: absolute justice demands restitution for wrongs committed.

            Tell me: If a judge let off a criminal who was proven guilty, would you admire the judge or be angry at him for his lack of justice?

            If God is the source of justice, and the Living Standard of what is “right” or “wrong”–then for Him NOT to punish sin would be both absurd and unjust.

        • BarkingDawg

          “God’s wrath?”

          Why do insist on imbuing God with the emotional maturity of a three year old child?

        • Mark McCauley

          Ooga Booga! Be askeert. Be VERY askeert!

          • Andy

            Mark, you know you’re going to die and face judgment one day. What you’re doing right now is ensconcing yourself in an emotion-driven fantasy world so that you don’t have to face up to the prospect of judgment.

            But just bear in mind that if you ever come to the point of admitting to yourself that you’re a sinner and are facing judgment–God also offers the way out, through His Son Jesus Christ.

            In the meantime, I’m hardly going to argue with someone who has the shallow, dismissive attitude you’ve displayed here.

    • Peter Leh

      so which NSAID company is not liberal? or is it ok as long as it does not “began to assert itself”.

      Seriously, we can all do what we wish but in reality if we really held companies to such a standard would we not buy anything from any company, except maybe chickfila?

      • JennyWren

        True! And even Chif-fil-a caved to PC pressure earlier this year.

    • Spoob

      It is far more sick and sinful to uphold religious-based hate and bigotry, and also far more offensive. Shame on YOU.

      • Gary

        Opposition to the immoral beliefs and behavior exemplified in the video is not sick or sinful. Just the opposite. But I am not surprised that you are offended by morality.

        • James Grimes

          He is a troll here who does not have any values.

          • Spoob

            Don’t talk around me, sonny boy. Talk to my face if you have something to say. Your bigotry is as bad as his and you know it.

          • James Grimes

            I did say he has entertainment value, didn’t I?

          • Spoob

            Unlike yourself, whose entire existence is misery, pain and hate.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            I’d rather be a troll than look like a troll James.

        • Spoob

          They are not immoral beliefs, it is yourself who is offensive because of your hate, your intolerance, and your masquerading as a Christian. Your version of “morality” is sick and disgusting in the extreme.

          • Gary

            Your statement is contradicted by the Bible.

          • Spoob

            No it isn’t. Chapter and verse please.

          • Gary

            Romans chapter one. You promote and defend homosexuality, which is condemned in the Bible.

          • Spoob

            It does not say homosexuality, you are lying. The word “homosexual” wasn’t even around until the 1800s.

          • MarcAlcan

            It does not say homosexuality, you are lying. The word “homosexual” wasn’t even around until the 1800s.

            Oh spoob, surely you are not that dumb enough to play that game.
            What is homosexuality? Is it not the “sexual” activity of male to male and female to female?
            That is precisely what Romans 1 talks about.
            And notice who Paul says that they are left in that depraved state because they have traded the truth for the lie. So this basically means that they have in fact traded God for the devil – the father of lies.
            Read it carefully and prayerfully. If you call yourself Christian that is.

          • Spoob

            I know plenty of people who say the verses you refer to speak of male prostitution.

            Anyway not one homosexual person that I’ve ever spoken to had any interest in hurting God, they just wanted to love another person.

          • MarcAlcan

            I know plenty of people who say the verses you refer to speak of male prostitution.

            Well it isn’t. Read it again.

            Anyway not one homosexual person that I’ve ever spoken to had any interest in hurting God, they just wanted to love another person.

            Whether they had interest in hurting God is beside the point.
            The point is when they try to make us accept something that is a perversion and force us to call it good, then that is trading the truth for the lie. And when you rationalize a sin so you can commit it with a clear conscience then God leaves you to that sin, that addiction.

          • Spoob

            I read it again. You are wrong. It’s not about homosexuality.

            Your use of the word “perversion” is cheap and nasty and would have you thrown out of a courtroom for slander if you tried to make ti fly. No one’s asking you to call it good – if you don’t like it, don’t be homosexual. That’s what I did, and it works just fine. Stop bullying, stop calling people perverts over something they have no control over, and stop hiding behind your Bible twisting its words to justify your disgusting hatred.

          • DD

            You are wrong. God’s Word is crystal clear on sin and the consequences thereof including the sin of homosexuality.
            Leviticus 18:22 (ESV)
            You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination
            Jude 1:7 (ESV)
            Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.
            1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (ESV)
            Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
            Romans 1:26-28 (ESV)
            For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

            Stop trolling Christian sites looking for a fight. True Christ-followers will tell you the truth as it is stated in God’s Word. Whether you believe it, reject it or get offended by it is up to you.
            John 8:31-32
            31 So Jesus was saying to those Jews who had believed Him, “If you continue in My word, then you are truly disciples of Mine; 32 and you will know the truth, and the truth will make you free.”

          • Spoob

            You are wrong, and you are using your Bible to justify hatred that is not there. I know many, many Christians who would call what you are doing in the name of Jesus an absolute, utter disgrace. You are an embarrassment to true Christians.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            You are not a true Christ follower, if you were then you would not be preaching such hate towards your fellow man. What other adults do in their own lives is none of your business, why is this such a hard concept for you fake Christians to understand?

          • muskyharry

            HATE the sin not the sinner, Get It!

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            So then you hate yourself for sinning with other men?

          • muskyharry

            Excuse me, they are not born that way, it is a chosen lifestyle. In my 71 yrs. I have personally know 6 people that were married, had children, then, all of a sudden, poof, they are gay. try to justify that.

          • Spoob

            No one would or could choose their sexuality. If you are attracted naturally to women, you can’t make yourself be attracted to men. It doesn’t work. And I can easily justify your examples, they were always gay but lived a lie in their marriage due to enormous societal pressure. It’s very common. They reached a point where they simply couldn’t take it anymore and had to be honest with themselves.

          • muskyharry

            do you see any deviant behavior in the animal world?

          • Spoob

            Deviant behavior? No.

            However, homosexuality does exist in the animal world.

            http://www.yalescientific.org/2012/03/do-animals-exhibit-homosexuality/

          • muskyharry

            Maybe so, but is it prevalent? Maybe this all has something to do with the genetic engineering of our food supply

          • Spoob

            People love who they love, if they’re both consenting adults who cares really? Let God sort out the much bigger problems in North Korea and ebola.

          • muskyharry

            Hey, Wait a minute,Spoob, isn’t homosexuality deviant behvior?

          • Spoob

            Depends if you’re asking scientists or certain religious people.

          • paladin

            And I am just sitting over here wondering when we get to start stoning people. It is in the bible. In the same area I believe. So it should be moral and right. Who here doesn’t have a daughter, niece, cousin, or sister that would qualify? Some men are also in the same boat. If you want to live by the bible it should be equally applied.

          • MarcAlcan

            And I am just sitting over here wondering when we get to start stoning people. It is in the bible. In the same area I believe.

            Not quite. We do not make the argument simply form Leviticus. There is a much stronger admonition from the NT.

            So it should be moral and right. Who here doesn’t have a daughter, niece, cousin, or sister that would qualify?

            Oh but you are so completely missing the point. The argument is not whether people sin. The argument is whether it is okay to call evil, good. Is it okay to trade the truth for the lie. Well St Paul clearly says not.
            No good can come from entrenching evil via the rationalizations that the homosexual lobby propose.
            Sure we all sin. But what the gay lobby is proposing is to say that it is not a sin. That would be tantamount to murderers actively proposing that murder should no longer be considered a sin. That would be tantamount to adulterers lobbying that adultery should be made a good.
            So yes, we no longer stone people. Punishments change but sin does not.

          • Zeus Isgreat

            But the sinful act has been around since the old testament and clearly condemned. Read the Book Spoob, it’s in there. Regardless of what English word you want to use for the filthy lifestyle.

          • Spoob

            Homosexuality has been around far longer than the book, and people are always going to fall in love, which is not a filthy act.

          • Zeus Isgreat

            We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. We also know that the law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious, for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for the sexually immoral, for those practicing homosexuality, for slave traders and liars and perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the gospel concerning the glory of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.

          • Spoob

            Serious words, but hardly relevant today.

          • Zeus Isgreat

            This is the USA. You are entitled to your opinion but in the end it will be the opinion of a Holy God that will matter. Not yours.

          • Spoob

            I don’t live in the USA. God’s opinion is not stronger in the USA. And none of us speaks for God.

          • Zeus Isgreat

            The Bible speaks for God in every country. READ IT and learn.

          • Spoob

            I have. And oddly I don’t hate gay people. Why do you?

          • James Grimes

            Absolutely! The Bible is very clear on that. There is no room for a misunderstanding.

          • MarcAlcan

            No it isn’t. Chapter and verse please.

            Okay, read the verses on Sodom and Gommorha. You can easily find it by Google.
            Then also read, Romans where St Paul says that it is because they have traded the truth for the lie which is why God has left them in their sin. In this case, sin becomes the punishment for sin. Like leaving the drug addict addicted.
            Then also refer to Jesus’s words when He was asked about divorce. Instead of simply saying :No you can’t divorce, He premises the indissolubility of marriage on the fact that God made them male and female and that the two shall become one.

          • Spoob

            The “sin” of Sodom and Gomorrah was the sin of inhospitality.

            Jesus said absolutely nothing about homosexuality.

          • MarcAlcan

            The “sin” of Sodom and Gomorrah was the sin of inhospitality.

            Hogwash. The sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was homosexual depravity. That is why the act is called sodomy.

            Jesus said absolutely nothing about homosexuality.

            Of course He didn’t. Every Jew accepted that it was a depravity, an abomination. And He never ever changed it. When Jesus felt the need to change something He did – as in the case with the law allowing divorce.

          • Spoob

            No, the sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was inhospitality. And if “sodomy” was strictly a homosexual act, why are there so many straight couples that engage in it? And just out of curiosity, since lesbians make up half the gay population, how many of them would you say engaged in sodomy – that would be pretty difficult, wouldn’t it?

            Haven’t thought this through, have you?

          • Jonsey McFly

            I feel that this comment deserves a

            O snap!!!!

          • James Grimes

            ‘The “sin” of Sodom and Gomorrah was the sin of inhospitality.” You are delusional. Now, back to reality…

          • Spoob

            Reality is where I live, buddy, where people can be homosexual without having to worry about repercussions from religious bigots and hatemongers. By the way you are wrong about Sodom and Gomorrah, just as you are wrong about everything else. Your religion is hate, and you need to admit that.

          • James Grimes

            “By the way you are wrong about Sodom and Gomorrah,” I said nothing about these two sinful cities. You are delusional. And as for anything I say about the Bible, I know it very well, both through experience and education, that what I say you can take it to the bank.
            Please don’t lay your insecurities on me. I don’t want them. Keep your deviant lifestyle to yourself and don’t make excuses for it. If you want to live in the dirt, then so be it. I’m not interested.

          • Spoob

            You said I was “delusional” about Sodom and Gomorrah. I’m not. Please stop lying, please stop misrepresenting Christianity as a religion of hatred and intolerance, and please stop calling yourself a Christian when you have no resemblance to one.

          • James Grimes

            LOL. Mr. Delusional, you have no clue. I will continue to proclaim biblical truth and I will correctly represent Christianity. You can live the lie all you want. I am so disinterested in what you believe. Go ahead and be the pathetic liar that many people on this forum believe you are. I have no interest in your demons.

          • Spoob

            Oh please, “proclaiming Biblical truth,” don’t make me laugh. What you are proclaiming is hate,McLain and simple, and everyone else can see it as plainly as I can. You aren’t exactly winning any popularity contests here, have you noticed? Lies and hate given a fundamentalist spun are still lies and hate. You are without a doubt the worst “Christian” I have ever encountered.

          • James Grimes

            Thanks for the compliment. Now go back to the looney bin where you belong.

          • Spoob

            How about you wave a few snakes around, babble in “tongues” for a few minutes, tell the world there was a talking snake, and then jump on the looney bin yourself?

          • Randy

            John 3:18-20New King James Version (NKJV)
            18 “He
            who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is
            condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only
            begotten Son of God. 19 And
            this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and
            men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed.

            I pray for all that love the darkness rather than the light. No word’s will make them see their ways. Prays and the Holy Spirit working in their lives is what is needed. Stop the back and forth my fellow follower’s of Christ. Pray for our fellow man in these times.

          • James Grimes

            He sounds like Pax2u, doesn’t he?

          • Ambulance Chaser

            So what?

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            And your actions are contradicted by the teachings of Jesus. If you are going to start quoting Leviticus be sure to include everything in it, not just the parts you want to cherry pick.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            And your actions are contradicted by the teachings of Jesus. If you are going to start quoting Leviticus be sure to include everything in it, not just the parts you want to cherry pick.

          • MarcAlcan

            They are not immoral beliefs, it is yourself who is offensive because of your hate, your intolerance, and your masquerading as a Christian.

            Actually it is those who uphold the homosexual lifestyle and at the same time call themselves Christians who are masquerading as Christians.

            And you are wrong. It is the gay lobby who is full of hate and intolerance. You should see them in action as they spit and bash and throw urine at those who peacefully advocating for natural marriage.

            Your version of “morality” is sick and disgusting in the extreme.

            No it isn’t. It is simply Christian. It is simply natural.

            Which ever way you twist it, homosexuality is an abnormaility – it is a deviation from what is normal. And that is simple fact.

            As this video says; It’s not Bigotry, its Biology

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cQCi4ehXkg

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            MarcAlcan is another closeted self hating homosexual. Does your wife know about your boyfriend Marc?

          • MarcAlcan

            MarcAlcan is another closeted self hating homosexual. Does your wife know about your boyfriend Marc?

            Sigh! Typical.
            See what I mean about homosexuals?
            You just proved it.
            LOL. I was right on the money about you being bullies wasn’t I?
            Thank you for making my case.

          • MarcAlcan

            MarcAlcan is another closeted self hating homosexual. Does your wife know about your boyfriend Marc?

            Sigh! Typical.
            See what I mean about homosexuals?
            You just proved it.
            LOL. I was right on the money about you being bullies wasn’t I?
            Thank you for making my case.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            Yes you are the typical anti-gay closeted homosexual. Thank you for confirming this for us.

          • MarcAlcan

            Yes you are the typical anti-gay closeted homosexual. Thank you for confirming this for us.

            As I said. Thank you for making my case. Is it that homosexual activity has made you delusional? Stop and go back to sanity.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            The problem here bud is that you are the one in denial and ashamed of your true self otherwise you would not be so vehement in calling others delusional when in fact you are the delusional one. You’ve lost this argument Marc, time to pack it up and walk away. 🙂

          • MarcAlcan

            The problem here bud is that you are the one in denial and ashamed of your true self otherwise you would not be so vehement in calling others delusional when in fact you are the delusional one. You’ve lost this argument Marc, time to pack it up and walk away. 🙂

            Sorry, but in all forums when the person starts dishing out expletives and hurling insults and invectives, that is a sure sign that they have lost ground and are either borderline delusional or have crossed the border. That’s just the way you people are. You have to be that way to support something so depraved.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            MarcAlcan is another closeted self hating homosexual. Does your wife know about your boyfriend Marc?

          • Spoob

            Allowing people to form loving and lasting relationships with people they really love isn’t intolerant. Trying to prevent it based on your personal interpretation of a 2000 year old book IS intolerant.

            If there is a gay lobby they have the right to be free from being harrassed by the likes of you. They are not bound by your rules or your twisted sense of morality, and if they’re angry enough to get up in arms about it to make sure you hear them, more power to them.

            Homosexuality isn’t unnatural, it’s found throughout the entire animal kingdom.

          • MarcAlcan

            Allowing people to form loving and lasting relationships with people they really love isn’t intolerant.

            You are tolerant alright. You tolerate depravity. You tolerate sin.

            You aid and abet it.

            Trying to prevent it based on your personal interpretation of a 2000 year old book IS intolerant.

            And you referred to yourself a Christian when the Bible is only a 2000 year old book to you. Well, now it’s out.

            Homosexuality isn’t unnatural, it’s found throughout the entire animal kingdom.

            And some animals eat their young. Should we try for some cannibalism of our children then?
            And by the way, just because it is found in the animal kingdom does not mean it is not unnatural. We were created male and female. The genitals are precisely for that.
            It does occur in nature but it is an abnormality.

            If there is a gay lobby they have the right to be free from being harrassed by the likes of you.

            Free to harass the likes of me. And that is what they are doing very subtly.

            What’s the matter? Still to chicken to read the writing of the homosexuals themselves? Afraid to watch the videos of homosexuals themselves.

          • Spoob

            Your opinion that something is depravity and sinful is just that – your opinion. It is not the law, and no one is bound by it. Too bad.

            The Bible IS a 2000 year old book – are you saying it isn’t?

            The point of saying that homosexuality is found in nature is to show that it occurs naturally. Unless you’d like to round up all the homosexual animals and kill them, which wouldn’t surprise me. Are you going to find a veterinarian who can enroll them in some ex-gay therapy?

            I’ve talked to enough homosexuals in my life to know what they’ve had to put up with from the likes of you. I know what they think and feel and want and they are not lying to anyone, not to God, and not to you, and not to themselves. They want to be free to fall in love, like anyone else. I don’t think that’s too much to ask.

          • Mark McCauley

            I’ll just ASSUME you did a hymen check on your wife before your wedding night 😉

          • MarcAlcan

            I’ll just ASSUME you did a hymen check on your wife before your wedding night 😉

            One more irrational post. Is it somehow a law in the universe that to aid and abet homosexual activity is to abandon reason?

          • Mark McCauley

            Hey, it’s “christians” that said you have to “live by the book”. If she was hymen-free, you should have stoned her to death. It’s the Jebus thang to do.

          • MarcAlcan

            Wow! Such profound ignorance and stupidity about something you are hoping to refute.
            The intelligent thing to do is to actually study something that you hope to refute so that you don’t fall into such fallacies as strawmen arguments. But it seems that is too hard for you as well.

          • Mark McCauley

            No. I just don’t believe in your mythical skydaddy or any of his comics. Sorry, but ignorance and stupidity are the products of denial of FACTS, and if the shoe fits one of us, it’s YOU, sweetcheeks.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            Reason is something that people like you will never understand. If you are not willing to follow every aspect of the bible then you can not quote cherry picked verses to condemn others.

          • MarcAlcan

            Reason is something that people like you will never understand

            Naah. It’s something that people like you never had.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            I’d be up for roasting you and your family over a pit of fire and feeding you to the other animals in your congregation. Won’t be any different than what you will experience when you die and end up in hell.

          • MarcAlcan

            I’d be up for roasting you and your family over a pit of fire and feeding you to the other animals in your congregation.

            And there ladies and gentlemen is exhibit a of what happens to those who support a perversion. They become consumed with anger and ugly.
            Oh and yes, that is what they call “tolerance”.
            Thank you very much for being the poster boy for homosexual lobby.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            And here ladies and gentlemen is exhibit a of what happens to those who
            support bigotry and hate. They become consumed with anger and cry “persecution” when they are put in their place and told that they do not have a right to push that hate on others and to mind their own business. Thank you very much for being the poster boy for anti-homosexual lobby.

          • MarcAlcan

            And here ladies and gentlemen is exhibit a of what happens to those who support bigotry and hate.

            You must have been looking in the mirror then because that describes you perfectly with your desire to roast me, your peppering your speech with swear words though that one could be attributed to an atrophy of the brain) and the anger and vitriol you have been hurling my way.

            Clearly hatred has fried your mind you can’t even tell which is which.

            They become consumed with anger and cry “persecution”

            And that once again describes you and the gay lobby perfectly. To a T in fact.

            Thank you very much for being the poster boy for anti-homosexual lobby

            Well I am not anti-homosexual. I was never against the person. I am against the perversion and the depravity that that person descends to.
            So even that you can’t get right. But that is to be expected.

        • Bruce Pelegrino

          Does your wife know about your boyfriend Gary?

          • MarcAlcan

            Does your wife know about your boyfriend Gary?

            And now you want to bully Gary too.
            Keep going. You are confirming our perception of the active homosexual.
            Keep at it. You are making our work a walk in the park.
            Exhibit A: Bruce Pelegrino.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            I’m a married heterosexual male sweetie, but nice try. You want to bully homosexuals but get all pissed off when its thrown back in your face. Here’s a thought. Mind your own fucking business and go worry about your own fucking life. You assholes are all the same and your comments here just prove it.

          • MarcAlcan

            I’m a married heterosexual male sweetie, but nice try

            So what? You still think evil is good.

            Hmm, maybe you are closet homosexual.

            You are getting angrier and angrier. Says much about you you know. The expletives and all that just shows that reason has gone out the door.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            Im far from angry sweetie. See unlike you im comfortable with my sexuality and as such am not bothered if a person of low intelligence such as yourself wants assume i might be a closeted gay man. So while you may be hoping i might be gay the reality is Im not but since you are so bothered by being accused of being gay its safe to assume you in fact are and are ashamed of it.

          • MarcAlcan

            Im far from angry sweetie

            Really? You said you wanted to roast me and my kind. If you are not angry when you desire to do that then that could only be because you are a psychopath – you know, those people who can do the most depraved things for the pleasure of it. But like I said, all as can be expected. True to form.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            Do you even read the nonsense you post? People like you will roast in hell for your bigotry. There’s a special place reserved there for you and your brethren.

          • MarcAlcan

            Do you even read the nonsense you post?

            There’s none. But there is a lot in yours.

            People like you will roast in hell for your bigotry.

            And there again in full display is your hatred and anger. I would counsel you to back off a bit. That kind of hatred is not good for your health.
            I can just imagine your face being very red right now.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            Me angry? Not a chance in hell. I’m actually enjoying making you look like an ignorant jackass. So please keep em coming, you are only digging yourself into a deeper hole.

          • MarcAlcan

            Me angry? Not a chance in hell.

            Ha, ha. I rest my case. Angry is not the word. I think livid is more appropriate. Or maybe insanely angry. The expletives are a testament. Or maybe that is just the true nature of those who support perversion.

        • Bruce Pelegrino

          Does your wife know about your boyfriend Gary?

        • AliceLiddell

          Jesus spoke that he is the New Covenant. Just as the old rules against wearing different types of clothes or eating pork are written over by teachings of love, compassion, and acceptance, so are the old rules against homosexuality that were guided by misunderstandings of biology. Or do you also think that menstruating women can’t go to church, and that rape victims should marry their rapists?

        • Mark McCauley

          You wouldn’t know “morality” if it jumped up your sphincter and gave you syphilis.

      • James Grimes

        I’ll take the “shame on you” from you as a compliment since you are a part time troll who has no clue what’s going on here. Your Atheist worldview is a joke and has no meaning and value to the Christians who regularly participate on this forum. You can now go back under your tree and re-emerge in another month or two. BTW, in spite of yourself, you do have some good entertainment value.

        • Spoob

          I’m not a troll simply because I stand up against the likes of you who spout hatred and hide behind your Bible while doing so. I’m not an atheist, I’m a Christian who believes that Jesus wanted us to love and accept one another and not HATE them. If you find what I say “entertaining” then you really need to be exposed to the real world a little more.

          • Sandy Buchanan

            As a Christian, I love all people and hate the sin. I will always choose first, above all others and things, what God says in His Word. God does not tell us to accept what is not pleasing in His sight. Being a Christian is following Christ. Some Christians want to pick and choose in Scripture. That’s not the way it works. I might not agree with what you say…our view points could be miles apart. But that doesn’t mean you have to hate me for my beliefs, nor will I hate you for yours. http://www.glow.cc/isa/abomination.htm God bless.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            And what does Christ say about organized religion? What does Christ say about using your faith to promote bigotry? Answer those questions if you are a true Christian.

          • MarcAlcan

            What does Christ say about using your faith to promote bigotry?

            It isn’t bigotry. It’s called truth.
            But you would have no clue about that.
            You ‘ve traded that for the lie perhaps a long time ago.
            But you would like to bandy that word “bigotry” around in the hope of silencing us. It is not working.

            You are in fact the bigots. You are the intolerant. You are the hate-filled.

          • Spoob

            No, let’s be clear, bigotry is not truth. And let’s stop you from spinning this any more than you already have, homosexuals are not stopping fundamentalist Christians from trying to live their lives, but fundamentalist Christians ARE trying to stop homosexuals from living their lives. That makes you the intolerant and hate-filled.

          • MarcAlcan

            No, let’s be clear, bigotry is not truth. And let’s stop you from spinning this any more than you already have, homosexuals are not stopping fundamentalist Christians from trying to live their lives

            Total hogwash.

            Exhibit A: Just look at how they bully those who are peaceably proposing traditional marriage. They are all standing on the pavement with plackard supporting natural marriage and praying. The ugly homosexuals beat them up, trash their placard, throw urine at them and bash them.

            Exhibit B: When Christian baker refused to bake them a wedding cake they take them to court.

            Exbhiti C: Read the article I linked to so that you can see how open they are about their tactic.

            but fundamentalist Christians ARE trying to stop homosexuals from living their lives

            No they are not. There have been homosexuals before and they pretty much live their depraved lives the way they want and spread AIDS to boot.
            It is only now with the aggressive gay mob who want to change marriage and demand acceptance of their depraved acts on us.
            So no. It is the homosexual who is intolerant, and hate filled and bully.

            They want us to affirm their abnormal inclinations and call it good. If you want to walk that path and affirm them then you are aiding and abetting them in their sin.

          • Spoob

            “Just look at how they bully those who are peaceably proposing traditional marriage.” Yeah, just look at those kind and tolerant Christians who, by “proposing traditional marriage” are basically stamping their feet and insisting that this right not be extended to homosexuals. Who is the bully here?

            A Christian baker should not have the right to deny service to someone based on religious beliefs. If he’s going to do that, he shouldn’t be offering his services to the general public, some of whom are going to be homosexuals AND HE KNOWS THAT.

            I read your silly article. It says nothing.

            So now you want to talk about AIDS? Yes, back in the 1980s AIDS was a particular problem for gay men. Now the largest demographic is straight black women. How long are you going to spread hate and misinformation about a subject you are clearly in the dark about? Stop trying to tell homosexuals what to do and you won’t be perceived as bigots and bullies anymore. Leave them alone.

          • MarcAlcan

            Yeah, just look at those kind and tolerant Christians who, by “proposing traditional marriage” are basically stamping their feet and insisting that this right not be extended to homosexuals. Who is the bully here?

            Since when has upholding the truth and the good and the beautiful a bullying? Since when has upholding what is right bullying? Did you see them spit and bash homosexuals?

          • Spoob

            Since when has upholding bigotry and hatred been called good, beautiful or truth?

            It is no business of a Christian baker what sexuality his customers are. It’s irrelevant.

            Satanism is not homosexuality. Unfair comparison.

            Gay people still get AIDS, yes, but they are not the largest demographic with the disease anymore and haven’t been for a long, long time. I know you want to blame the disease on sin, but you can’t do that with impunity anymore.

            If you continue to persist in calling homosexuality a “perversion,” “ugliness,” “depravity” and a “lie” you’re only lying to yourself. And I think you know this. I think some fundamentalist somewhere is telling you what to think, and you’re going along with it. That’s sad.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            Truth? What truth? That you have no fucking clue what you are talking about? That you are using religion and one verse to come up with lies regarding the Bible and homosexuality? You are the true bigot and you are the one who will end up rotting in hell. The rest of us have learned to co-exist, maybe its time you stopped being such and arrogant anti gay homosexual and join the rest of the country here in the 21st century.

          • MarcAlcan

            My, my what rage.
            Like I said, you’ve run out of reason hence the vitriol. Typical really of those who sympathize with this perversion.

            Let me say this now. Your bullying tactics are just that – bullying tactics.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            My tactics are the same ones used by you and your band of heathens. The reason you don’t like them is because you can’t handle having your bullshit thrown back in your face.

          • MarcAlcan

            My tactics are the same ones used by you and your band of heathens.

            You the homosexual heathens. After all it is the active homosexual who was targeted specifically by St Paul among the heathens of Rome.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            As stated before, unlike you I am a heterosexual male who is comfortable with his sexuality. So please keep calling me a homosexual because in the end you are the one who is hiding his true sexuality in a closet. Every time you post something all you are doing is making yourself look like an ignorant bigot.

          • MarcAlcan

            As stated before, unlike you I am a heterosexual male who is comfortable with his sexuality.

            So you say.

            Every time you post something all you are doing is making yourself look like an ignorant bigot.

            Well in fact you are the one who is doing that. You are the bigot and the bully. You thought you could silence me by being aggressive, anger and hate filled. But I know what to expect from people like you so I just take your ranting and raving in my stride.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            And what does Christ say about organized religion? What does Christ say about using your faith to promote bigotry? Answer those questions if you are a true Christian.

          • MarcAlcan

            I’m a Christian who believes that Jesus wanted us to love and accept one another and not HATE them.

            Indeed we are to love them.
            But here’s the thing. We are to love the person and hate the sin.
            But what you are advocating for is an entrenchment of sin. You want to affirm that what is bad is good. That has never helped anyone because that is a lie and the more you support it the deeper you embed yourself into the arms of the father of lies.
            The only way is to embrace the Truth because the Truth is Christ.
            Many homosexuals have found the way out of this sick and depraved lifestyle. Examples are the ones on the videos that I linked which you refuse to watch because you are more interested in furthering the lie that you believe.
            You think what you are doing is loving but in fact by failing to uphold Christian morality you are not only leading them to their doom but you are walking there yourself.

          • Spoob

            But you AREN’T loving the person and hating the sin. You are judging and hating the person. The very things Jesus tells you over and over not to do.

            These are people whose whole crime is loving another person and you’re trying to prevent that, even though they don’t have any effect whatsoever on your own life. Why are you being such a busybody, why can’t you leave people alone and let them be free to fall in love just like you did?

            Of course what I’m saying is loving. I’m also minding my own business. Why can’t you?

          • MarcAlcan

            But you AREN’T loving the person and hating the sin.

            And what makes you think that?

            These are people whose whole crime is loving another person and you’re trying to prevent that

            No, their crime is not love, their sin is the homosexual activity.
            And I am not trying to prevent love. I am trying to prevent them engaging in depravity. They can love other people by serving them, caring for them, etc, etc. But the homosexual act… well that is a depravity.

            Now you on the other hand think that a depravity is just super duper good. Again there’s the trading of the truth for the lie.

            Why are you being such a busybody, why can’t you leave people alone and let them be free to fall in love just like you did?

            Well, for one thing they are forcing us to accept this depravity.
            Secondly, we are supposed to proclaim the Truth of the Gospel
            Thirdly, because I know that when people follow this Truth they find God and thus find the true source of their happiness.
            Fourth, one of the Spiritual Works of Mercy is to admonish the sinner.

            Fifth, it is not good to let people wallow in filth.

            Of course what I’m saying is loving.

            No it isn’t. Burrying people in their sin is very far from loving.

            I’m also minding my own business. Why can’t you?

            We are our brother’s keeper. Or don’t you know that?

          • Spoob

            “And what makes you think that?” Everything from your language (“perversion”) to your cruel insistence that gay people live celibate lives to please you. Of course they’re standing up to you – you’re making such an inhumane demand they should be very angry with you. You don’t do this out of love, but out of Christian supremacist self-righteousness.

            These people ARE IN LOVE; That’s all. They LOVE each other, and that’s why they live together and have sexual relations, because human beings are sexual creatures and you’re trying to shut that whole part of them off simply because it offends you.

            They are IN LOVE. ASK THEM. It’s not depravity. Depravity is people wanting to kill them for not conforming to your demands.

            Why don’t you go be your brother’s keeper in a slightly kinder way?

    • Bruce Pelegrino

      James when are you going to finally come out of the closet?

    • Tabitha

      I agree, thanks for standing for the truth.. I feel bad for the children brought up in that way.. I won’t say family, because a family is a husband wife, children.. God made Adam and Eve NOT Steve..

      • thoughtsfromflorida

        “because a family is a husband wife, children”

        So a situation where there either a woman or a man, without a spouse, perhaps through divorce or death, is raising children is not a family?

        “God made Adam and Eve NOT Steve”

        Oh my gosh. That is so clever! Where in the world did you come up with that? Oh, and how is your believe as to that relevant?

        • Tabitha

          Talking about the ideal.. Yes God takes a spouse and the husband or wife is left to raising that child.. Sorry you couldn’t see between the lines in what I said! 🙁

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            You mentioned nothing about the “ideal”. You said that in order for the term family to apply, a husband, wife, and children must be present.

            So now you are saying that is not necessary, as long as the spouse was taken by God, is that correct?

            So a household consisting of a woman who had children out of wedlock, never marries, and is raising her children, is not a family?

            Or a single man or woman who adopts children and raises them, they are not a real family, correct?

    • Mark McCauley

      So sorry, but if your “religion” requires you to damn others for NOT being like you, then both you and your religion are steaming piles of feces.

      • James Grimes

        I’m not interested.

  • Guest

    Loved this video, thanks for sharing it. We could all do with understanding the complecity of family is far from the rigid ‘Mom and dad and their kids’ that some want us to believe, “Family is what you make it out to be”: Spot on!

  • http://twitter.com/1fw Nick

    Loved this video, thanks for sharing it. We could all do with
    understanding that the complexity of family is far from the rigid ‘Mom and
    dad and their kids’ that some want us to believe, “Family is what you
    make it out to be”: Spot on!

    • Neiman

      No it is not! These are not families, they are a perversion of families.

      • Spoob

        In the real world in which we live, there are gay and lesbian people, this commercial just happens to show some of them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It promotes nothing, it just shows the real world.

        • Gary

          It is a promotion of homosexuality. And there is much wrong with that.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “It is a promotion of homosexuality.”

            And the result of the promotion of homosexuality would be?

            “And there is much wrong with that.”

            Such as?

          • Gary

            If you cared why homosexuality is wrong, you would not have asked those questions.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            So you are unable to say what the result of the promotion of homosexuality would be or what is wrong with that. Got it. I assumed that would be the case, but I appreciate your confirming it.

          • Gary

            Promoting sin leads to more sin. That is not good.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “Promoting sin leads to more sin.”

            What is your basis for that statement? Are you suggesting that showing homosexuals in a commercial will result in more people choosing to have sexual relations with someone of the same gender?

          • Gary

            Tylenol hopes that the commercial will result in more acceptance of homosexuality?

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            Toward what end?

          • Spoob

            No one is “promoting” homosexuality, they are merely not running away from it pretending it doesn’t exist, as you would have us all do.

          • Gary

            If they want to live like that, then fine with me. But Christians have to recognize evil for what it is

          • Spoob

            Your problem is you are “recognizing” it where it doesn’t exist.

          • Gary

            Homosexuality IS a sin, according to the Bible.

          • Spoob

            The word didn’t exist until 1869. You are lying.

          • Gary

            The concept certainly existed. The behavior existed.

          • Spoob

            That’s another thing, you can stop calling it behavior when it’s just two people in love. Do you like having your own relationship with your wife called “behavior”?

        • Neiman

          Yes, it shows the real, wicked world and by lies promotes it as being good. Exactly what God said would happen. He said that in this time you people would call those things He calls evil to be good and those things that He calls good to be evil. The fact you think there is nothing wrong with that only shows that you are already under His condemnation, unless you find Christ and repent first.

          • Spoob

            What “lie” being “promoted” because two homosexual women met and fell in love? Who is lying? Who is deceiving? And why should these people not appear in a commercial? Is it the idea of love that is so deeply offensive to you?

          • Neiman

            First, it is not love, it is lust.

            The lie you liberals and gays promote is that homosexuality is moral and normal, while God calls it immoral and a form of idolatry.

          • Spoob

            No, it is love. It is no different than the love you have for your wife. It is identical to that. How would you like to be told you don’t really love your wife but only feel lustful towards her? How do you think it feels to be lesbian or gay and have other people telling them that?

          • Gary

            Homosexuality is perversion, not love.

          • Spoob

            Right, because people naturally gravitate to each other for the rest of their lives because they are “perverts,” and not because they might actually be in love with each other.

          • Neiman

            No it is not love. It is not love to engage in and entice others to engage in sin to the peril of their everlasting souls. I am sure it makes gays feel bad to have anyone tell them they do not love their partners, but the truth most often makes us feel bad, because it goes against our sinful desires.

          • Spoob

            It IS love. Ask anyone who’s a homosexual. They have no reason to lie to you or anyone else and their actions speak for themselves, it seems quite obvious they are in loving relationships. If it’s not love, what is it? If it was simple lust, wouldn’t that wear off after a time?

          • Neiman

            First, define love. There is phileo love – friendship. There is eros – lust and there is agape – Divine selfless, self-sacrificial love. They can genuinely feel love for their dog or their car or anything, but what kind of love is it?

            What it cannot be is self-sacrificial, selfless love or they would not engage is sexual conduct that any thinking human being knows is: (a) Against natural design, for the atheists among you, as the human anatomy tells us with absolute clarity that the sexual organs are designed to fit and work between people of the opposite gender for purposes of reproduction only. Thus, any sexual conduct outside that design is unnatural, perverse, to deviate from the normal or correct use of those organs. (b) It is clear that it defies Divine Design and order, as God makes it clear that any other conduct except the marriage bed is fornication and sin. In this latter and correct definition, as God says people engaging in such conduct will not gain heaven, a love that encourages such a defiance of God’s Creative design and His commandments would be wholly selfish, self destructive and harmful to their partners and thus cannot be love at all.

            Now get off it, we will never agree and you have free will to defy God if your choose.

          • Spoob

            You’re putting a lot of conditions on the type of love that other people engage in, and you would be very offended if anyone did the same thing to you, quite understandably. Clearly the sexual aspect of it works just fine even though it does not lead to procreation. That’s funny – neither does the sexual activity of the elderly as well as people who are unable to conceive on their own. So that’s a bad argument.

            It’s very funny that you’re saying that only in the condition of marriage should the sexual part be permitted, and when the gay people tell you they want to be married, you won’t let them!

          • MarcAlcan

            What “lie” being “promoted” because two homosexual women met and fell in love? Who is lying? Who is deceiving? And why should these people not appear in a commercial? Is it the idea of love that is so deeply offensive to you?

            It isn’t love. It’s lust.
            True Love is grounded in truth.

          • Spoob

            Every gay person I have ever talked to insists that it is love. Are they ALL lying?

          • MarcAlcan

            Every gay person I have ever talked to insists that it is love. Are they ALL lying?

            They are what St Paul calls people who have traded the truth for the lie.
            We are wired for truth. We follow what we apprehend to be the truth.

            So in case where we know that something is evil but we still want to do it, what we do is we create elaborate rationalizations to make the lie into a truth. Otherwise we will no be able to live with ourselves.
            And this is what is in operation among active homosexuals. Even they know that it is abnormal. This is simple reality that even they apprehend. At night when it is quiet and they are alone with their thoughts, this truth will try to make itself heard and try to pierce the barrier of lies they have created. They know the truth. But they’ve traded it for the lie.

          • Spoob

            In my life doing social work, I have talked to many gay and lesbian people. Enough to know that they are NOT lying. And it had nothing to do with God or the Bible. They fell in love. That is all. That’s it. Just fell in love, exactly the same as the rest of us. And people like you want to rationalize it, tell them they are sick or confused or misled. They aren’t. They know their own lives and feelings better than we do, because we are not them. No one has the right to tell any one of them that they know them better than they know themselves.

          • Gary

            The homosexuals, and you, are in rebellion against God.

          • Spoob

            You and your fellow bigots are in rebellion against reality.

          • MarcAlcan

            In my life doing social work, I have talked to many gay and lesbian people. Enough to know that they are NOT lying

            Of course they don’t think they are lying. They’ve exchanged the truth for the lie so they can no longer tell the difference. They reduced love to feelings and emotions. They’ve convinced themselves through convoluted rationalizations that what is bad is good and justify the perversion with ” if it feels right, it must be so”.

            Just fell in love, exactly the same as the rest of us.

            No doubt. But like I said, it is all about feelings.

            Let me put it to you, if a grown man tells you with heartfelt emotion that he is IN LOVE with a 6 year old, would that make it okay because he fell in love? Would his feelings and sincerety in that emotion be any different to the homosexual’s?

            They know their own lives and feelings better than we do, because we are not them

            Exactly! And that is the whole point of the video I linked to.
            I suggest you educate yourself about the whole gay agenda and the strong arm tactics they are using to shove it down our throats.

          • Spoob

            “Exchanged the truth for a lie”, why on EARTH would they do that? They know their emotions just like you know yours. How would you feel it someone told you the love you feel for your wife is a lie? And how can you or anyone else claim to know them better than they know themselves?

            And if a grown man tells me with heartfelt emotion that he is in love with a 6 year old, of COURSE it is NOT OK, because a 6 year old child cannot consent, which makes the relationship and abusive one. We are talking about grown consenting adults forming a consensual relationship that hurts no one else. And no one seems to have a problem with that unless their little holy book is getting in the way.

            There IS NO GAY AGENDA. There are only people who hate and want to change the lives of others. Which side are you going to be on?

          • MarcAlcan

            “Exchanged the truth for a lie”, why on EARTH would they do that?

            Because the truth is difficult. The truth is hard.

            of COURSE it is NOT OK, because a 6 year old child cannot consent

            Who says? The law? But the age of consent is a movable feast. If the law then deems that a 6 year old can consent, would that make it okay then?

            We are talking about grown consenting adults

            And since when has consent been the basis for morality? If I consented for you to kill me, would you be any less guilty of murder?

            There IS NO GAY AGENDA.

            There is. But you are too blind to see it. Read the article I linked. But no, you would not do that. You are too afraid to find the truth.

            There are only people who hate and want to change the lives of others. Which side are you going to be on?

            On the side who wants to change others for the good. On the side who will not let people wallow in their depravity. On the side that says it is possible to be faithful to God. On the side that says God loves you but wants you to change and will give you the grace to follow His Will.

            And not on the side who affirm people in their sin because sin leads to death. Sin leads to misery.

          • MarcAlcan
          • Spoob

            No thank you. I prefer to listen to science and mental health experts on this issue. I think they understand it a little better, don’t you?

          • MarcAlcan

            No thank you. I prefer to listen to science and mental health experts on this issue. I think they understand it a little better, don’t you?

            Did you watch it.
            These are homosexuals (someone even attest to having had over a thousand partners) talking about their experience.
            And no, health experts you talk about lie. Lie about the reality and the sick situation of homosexuals. Watch the video and take it from people who have lived that life and found way out.

          • Spoob

            Post a link from a scientific source and I will watch it. You don’t know what you are up against. We aren’t talking about one body of science saying homosexuality is normal, we’re talking about practically ALL of them. And ex-gay organizations have been closing their doors left and right admitting they are fraudulent, haven’t you heard of Exodus International? They are gone now.

          • Gary

            Yes, they are ALL lying.

          • Spoob

            And how likely do you think that REALLY is?

        • MarcAlcan

          In the real world in which we live, there are gay and lesbian people, this commercial just happens to show some of them. There is absolutely nothing wrong with that. It promotes nothing, it just shows the real world.

          Actually it does promote the normalization of homosexuality.
          It is part of the gay lobbies tactics.
          https://www.google.com.au/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=4KGfVJe7Nsbu8wee4IHIDA&gws_rd=ssl#q=the+overhauling+of+straight+america+pdf

          • Spoob

            So why would you link me to a book written by a fundamentalist Christian who hates gay people? There is no gay lobby, except in the minds of those who persecute gay people.

          • MarcAlcan

            So why would you link me to a book written by a fundamentalist Christian who hates gay people?

            What do you mean a book written by a fundamentalist Christian?
            Are you even capable of understanding anything? Did you look at the article?

            That article was written by two openly and adamantly homosexual men and it unashamedly details how they are going to go about overhauling straight America – i.e. how they are going to gay-ify the American society.

            And if you read the tactics they list there you will recognize it as having happened and is continuing to happen.

            That article was so beloved of the homosexual lobby that it has even been turned into a book.
            Wake up before it is too late.

          • MarcAlcan

            What do you mean a book written by a fundamentalist Christian?

            That article was written by homosexuals and they were advocating for tactics on how to normalize homosexuality in America.

            You will see in that article that tactics listed there has been implemented and is being implemented not just in America but all over the world.

            Here is the link directly from their own website.
            http://library.gayhomeland.org/0018/EN/EN_Overhauling_Straight.htm

            That article was so successful it has even been turned into a book.
            And yes there is a gay lobby. They are powerful and they are successful. Just look at the many states that have caved in to their pressure.

          • Spoob

            So a couple of people get militant and political about something and then all your radical Christians scream persecution when you are the ones doing all the persecuting, big deal.

            What I’m more interested in is the man who after 25 years of marriage can’t live the lie anymore and admit he is homosexual and finally lives a comfortable life with someone he loves, or the lesbian who does the same thing after years of sham marriage. THAT is the real story here, and that is the damage your religion does to people like this.

          • MarcAlcan

            So a couple of people get militant and political about something

            A couple? You are deluding yourself.

            This is all part of the plan. If you can’t shout them down by calling them bullies and bigots, get down and dirty.

            What I’m more interested in is the man who after 25 years of marriage can’t live the lie anymore and admit he is homosexual

            Fine. Be celibate.
            The bottom line issue here is whether homosexuality is a sin – a depravity – or not. That is the only thing in contention here.
            The sham marriage and all that, that is a red herring meant to take the focus off the real issue.
            You think it is not, God says it is. And yes I say God says it is. The Bible says so and the Church from Judaism to Christianity has always said so.
            If it is a depravity, then homosexuals are called to chastity. It is not going to be easy and it will be a heavy cross but we that is what it is.
            Now you may think that Judaism and Christianity is wrong. That is fine. But don’t go calling yourself Christian because Gary is right after all and you are not.

          • Spoob

            I don’t care how many people it is. You’re trying to tar all gay people with the same brush, calling them all militant and so forth and making them part of an agenda, when a great many of them just want to live quiet lives and not be subjected to religious intolerance and bigotry.

            “Fine. Be celibate.” No, how about NOT insisting that people live loveless and sexless lives just because that’s what you think your God wants? This is simple basic human rights!

            It is not pure hogwash – fundamentalist Christianity is known for being angry, hateful, judgemental and heartless. Have a look at fstdt.com sometime and maybe you’ll start to realize why you’re getting a hard time for making ALL Christians look so bad.

            I’ll call myself a Christian because that’s what I am, whether you or Gary likes it or not. I know what I am and I’ll be the one to define myself, thank you. Not you or any other fundie.

          • MarcAlcan

            I don’t care how many people it is. You’re trying to tar all gay people with the same brush, calling them all militant and so forth and making them part of an agenda,

            Actually, I haven’t done that. In fact, that is why I gave you links to videos. You are the one who is afraid to watch them.

            No, how about NOT insisting that people live loveless and sexless lives

            Sexless yes. Loveless, No.

            fundamentalist Christianity is known for being angry, hateful, judgemental and heartless

            Perhaps in some instances but not all.

            I’ll call myself a Christian because that’s what I am

            Strange, since you believe something very, very contrary to Christianity.

            whether you or Gary likes it or not. I know what I am

            I very, very, highly doubt that. You don’t even know what Christianity is. You don’t even know the value of Holy Scripture which you call a 2000 year old book. You are almost clueless as to what true Christianity is.

          • Spoob

            I’m not afraid to watch your videos. If I gave you a couple to watch in return from the American Psychological Association, would you watch those?

            You don’t get to dictate what other people do in the bedroom based on your religion. We have laws against that, thankfully.

            And if you think I’m saying things contrary to Christianity, you can’t know too many Christians.

      • http://twitter.com/1fw Nick

        No, they represent real flesh & blood families. Children of same-sex couples are happier and healthier than peers: http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/07/children-of-same-sex-couples-are-happier-and-healthier-than-peers-research-shows/

        • Fundisi

          A liberal study, published by an ultra-liberal newspaper, based on highly subjective and only liberal standards of health and happiness is not worth anything. You gays and leftists are twisting the facts to falsely defend a sick and perverse lifestyle choice and false families, with their children more prone to suicide, drugs and homosexual conduct. Get out of here with your leftist, pro-gay, anti-Christ propaganda.

          • http://twitter.com/1fw Nick

            Ha! ‘Shoot the messenger’ because you don’t like the truth? I’m in here and I’m staying, young Neiman.

    • Elmir

      I agree. It’s nice to see some variety in advertising. It’s awkward seeing everything in the media gloss over you. So many more families like this exist than the closed-minded want to realize.

    • MarcAlcan

      We could all do with
      understanding that the complexity of family is far from the rigid ‘Mom and
      dad and their kids’ that some want us to believe, “Family is what you
      make it out to be”

      Wrong. You can make up a family out of your own constructs. Family is Mom and Dad with kids. Two men and two women no matter how you try cannot make family.

      • http://twitter.com/1fw Nick

        And yet same-sex couplex are making excellent families! The Washington Times revealed that “Children of same-sex couples are happier and healthier than peers, research shows” http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2014/07/07/children-of-same-sex-couples-are-happier-and-healthier-than-peers-research-shows/

        • MarcAlcan

          According to the homosexual’s own spin.
          In some of these research, the homosexuals do not allow the children to speak freely. The children also have the fear of disappointing the parents if they should speak negatively about their experience.
          Material well being alone does not constitute “wellmess”.
          Mark Regnerus with a much larger database came to the opposite conclusion.

          • http://twitter.com/1fw Nick

            I think I can best answer this with the following evidence:
            Reagan appointee Michigan Federal Judge Friedman said this of Mark Regerus and his study:
            “The Court finds Regnerus’s testimony entirely unbelievable and not
            worthy of serious consideration. The evidence adduced at trial
            demonstrated that his 2012 ‘study’ was hastily concocted at the behest
            of a third-party funder, which found it ‘essential that the necessary
            data be gathered to settle the question in the forum of public debate
            about what kinds of family arrangement are best for society’ and which
            ‘was confident that the traditional understanding of marriage will be
            vindicated by this study.’ … While Regnerus maintained that the
            funding source did not affect his impartiality as a researcher, the
            Court finds this testimony unbelievable. The funder clearly wanted a
            certain result, and Regnerus obliged.”

      • http://twitter.com/1fw Nick

        And yet they do so every day in every same-sex marriage ceremony.

  • Peter Leh

    was it not just months ago people complaining about a mixed race family on a cheerios commercial?

  • Gary

    Many of us are unwilling to accept this situation as a “family”.

    • Spoob

      And you, sir, are in the rapidly growing minority.

      • Gary

        But the majority ends up in Hell, according to the Bible.

        • James Grimes

          Very true. He will have a lot of company.

          • Spoob

            Yes, and you’re just rubbing your hands in anticipation, aren’t you? How Christian.

          • James Grimes

            Spare me the drama. You and your fellow Atheists are making your own cesspools. Now, go and wallow in them.

          • Spoob

            Yeah yeah, go drink some more fundie kool aid.

        • Spoob

          According to your very narrow and slanted interpretation of the Bible.

          • Gary

            My interpretation is the same as that of Jesus Christ. See Matthew 7:13,14.

          • Spoob

            Just like every other Christian in the world, including those you fight with.

          • Gary

            Your views are contradicted by the Bible.

          • Spoob

            You are the one misrepresenting the Bible and using it as a tool for intolerance and hatred.

          • Gary

            Then can you reference where in the Bible I can read about the endorsement of what we now call homosexuality? If I am misrepresenting what the Bible says, then show me where the Bible contradicts what I have said.

          • James Grimes

            He will not be able to do that. It’s not there!

          • Gary

            I know that. And you know that. But I want to call his bluff.

          • James Grimes

            I guess he will call us haters again because we stick with what the Bible teaches us.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            Jesus never spoke about homosexuality but did say that homosexuals are born as homosexuals. Apparently, it wasn’t much of an issue for him.

          • Gary

            How could he say that homosexuals are born homosexuals if he never spoke about homosexuality? And, Jesus never said homosexuals are born as homosexuals.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “How could he say that homosexuals are born homosexuals if he never spoke about homosexuality? ”

            My apologies. I should have said: he never spoke about acts of homosexuality.

            “And, Jesus never said homosexuals are born as homosexuals.”

            Very clearly he did in Matthew 19:12.

          • Gary

            A eunuch is not a homosexual. Nobody makes themselves a homosexual for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. God rejects all homosexuals.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            in biblical times, the word “eunuch” was used to describe men who did not have sexual desire for women. As Jesus states, that comes about in 3 distinct ways. One of which is born that way.

            “God rejects all homosexuals.”

            Unless you are God, you might want to consider the wisdom of speaking for him.

          • Gary

            God has already spoken for himself. You just don’t like what He said.

          • MarcAlcan

            in biblical times, the word “eunuch” was used to describe men who did not have sexual desire for women. As Jesus states, that comes about in 3 distinct ways. One of which is born that way.

            Eunuchs were never equated to homosexuals.
            That is why St Paul uses the term men who lie with men.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            The word “homosexual” did not exist in biblical times. But you are incorrect in that the term “eunuch” did not refer to men who had no sexual desire for women – what we would today refer to as homosexual. That was indeed one of the definitions of a eunuch.

          • MarcAlcan

            But you are incorrect in that the term “eunuch” did not refer to men who had no sexual desire for women – what we would today refer to as homosexual. That was indeed one of the definitions of a eunuch.

            Quite wrong. It never ever referred to homosexuals. And most certainly not during biblical times.

            For one thing the term eunuch derives from the Greek eunoukhos : eunē, bed + -okhos, keeping, and designates “a castrated male employed to serve the women in the women’s quarters of a household and to act as chamberlain,” A eunuch is a “bed-keeper,”.
            So you are very, very, very wrong in trying to equate this with a homosexual. Nice try but it does not work.

          • Robert Roche

            Actually Scripture says Homosexual Offenders and not Homosexuals. There are many celibate Christians with a gay orientation that do not give in to this sin.

          • Gary

            I doubt that your last sentence is true.

          • MarcAlcan

            I doubt that your last sentence is true.

            Actually his last statement is true. They are not the majority but they are growing in numbers. Most of them after being actively homosexuals came to the realization of how depraved it is and have since amended their life and trying to live celibate lives faithful to God’s will.

          • Gary

            Sorry, but I don’t believe it.

          • MarcAlcan

            Well it is true.

            Here are two videos that testify to this. They are just a handful of examples but there are many others.

            http://vimeo.com/93079367

            http://everlastinghills.org/movie/

          • Gary

            I don’t believe it is possible for a homosexual to be a Christian. I don’t believe God will save them.

          • MarcAlcan

            I don’t believe it is possible for a homosexual to be a Christian. I don’t believe God will save them.

            Then you are wrong.

            God loves all equally and gives grace to all.

            How one responds to God’s grace may differ from person to person. Homosexuals can respond to God’s grace by being celibate or maybe even choosing to be in a traditional marriage.

            I suggest you view the video I linked to. You are not helping yourself by choosing to stay in this narrow view of thinking that God outright condemns all homosexuals. God calls us all to repentance – including homosexuals. They too can repent and choose to follow God’s will. And God does give them the grace to do that.

            I suggest you read this article.

            http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2014/12/14149/

          • Gary

            I have been saved more than forty years. I have never seen anyone become a Christian and quit their homosexuality. God gives people over to homosexuality (Romans 1). If God wanted them back, he would not have given them up to that sin.

          • MarcAlcan

            I have been saved more than forty years

            So you are claiming that you don’t, have never ever sinned again since then?

            If God wanted them back, he would not have given them up to that sin.

            Sometimes that is the punishment so that they will hit rock bottom and see the utter depravity and thus repent.

            I encourage you to watch those two videos. There is no need to be afraid. God will speak to you as well through that. You will see God’s Mercy in action in the way they converted.

          • Gary

            If a homosexual claimed God saved them, I would have to watch their behavior for AT LEAST 25 years before I would even start to believe their claim was true.

          • Robert Roche

            Then you are clearly just a person looking to argue and not seeking truth. You dishonour those Christians who put God first above sexuality. This tells me all I need to know.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            Gary please just be honest with yourself and finally admit you are gay. You will feel a lot better about yourself.

          • John_33

            Jesus never said that homosexuals were born as homosexuals. Let’s look at Matthew 19 in more detail. In Matthew 19:10-12, the disciples just stated that it was not good for people to marry. Jesus responded that His commandments for marriage were not meant for everyone because there are some who are not able to marry. He then proceeded to list examples of such people. So, even if we accepted your assertion that Jesus was talking about homosexuals, you would then need to accept that Jesus just prohibited homosexual marriage.

            To be honest, the context is clear that Jesus was not talking about homosexuals in any way. Instead, Jesus was referring to eunuchs in the classical definition. Otherwise, how do you explain this part in verse 12?

            “For there are some eunuchs, which were so born from their mother’s womb: and there are some eunuchs, which were made eunuchs of men: and there be eunuchs, which have made themselves eunuchs for the kingdom of heaven’s sake. He that is able to receive it, let him receive it.”

            Can men make you gay? Or as Gary already said, do men make themselves gay for the kingdom of heaven’s sake? Of course not; that’s not what Jesus was saying. In these examples, He is referring to celibacy (by choice), castration (of men), and disabilities (by birth). Therefore, Jesus was not referring to homosexuality in any way.

            Now that that’s resolved, let’s go into more detail. Jesus actually did talk about homosexuality. First, in Matthew 5:17-19, He upheld all of the Mosaic Law, which condemned homosexuality in Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13. Second, He excluded homosexuality from righteous living. In Matthew 19:4-6, Jesus defined marriage as between a man and woman. He also condemned all sexual acts outside of marriage as sin (Matthew 15:19-20). It then follows that the only sexual relationship that God approves of is marriage between a man and a woman. Jesus didn’t stop there. In Matthew 5:28, He continued and said that a man looking at a woman to lust after her in his heart is guilty of committing adultery. Lust is lust, and it is condemned in the Bible. If a man looking at a woman to lust after her in his heart is guilty of adultery, then we can say that a man looking at another man to lust after him in his heart is guilty of adultery too. This means that a person cannot possibly be a homosexual without violating God’s Laws based on what Jesus said.

            That doesn’t mean that homosexuals are beyond God’s offer of salvation. They can be saved from their sins just like anyone else, but they need to repent and believe on God to be saved from their sins. This is not about a culture war or a disagreement about lifestyles. This is about the very definition of sin and how we are to be saved from it. We can’t make a mistake in this matter since it affects the salvation of millions of people. The Bible is clear on this matter. Homosexuality is a sin before God.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “So, even if we accepted your assertion that Jesus was talking about homosexuals”

            Homosexuals AND men who were castrated AND men who had decided to devote themselves to their faith.

            “you would then need to accept that Jesus just prohibited homosexual marriage.”

            No you wouldn’t. The question to Jesus was about a man marrying a woman. To jump from that to prohibiting same-gender civil marriage is a leap. He said what he said – nothing more.

            “Instead, Jesus was referring to eunuchs in the classical definition”

            What “classical definition”?

            “He is referring to celibacy (by choice), castration (of men), and disabilities (by birth).”

            And how did you determine that he was speaking of birth defects, something so rare that it would hardly be worth mentioning? Society, at that time, utilized different meanings for the word eunuch. Roman law supported this differential by have specific laws which governed “true eunuchs” (gay men) versus eunuchs that were castrated or were not physically capable of having sexual relations. Societal definitions at that time do not support your views.

            “Jesus actually did talk about homosexuality.”

            Please provide any quotes from Jesus where he speaks of homosexuality.

            “It then follows that the only sexual relationship that God approves of is marriage between a man and a woman.”

            You are certainly free to interpret it that way, but it is never said.

            “If a man looking at a woman to lust after her in his heart is guilty of adultery, then we can say that a man looking at another man to lust after him in his heart is guilty of adultery too.”

            Again, you are certainly free to interpret it that way, but it is never said.

            “This is about the very definition of sin and how we are to be saved from it.”

            Based upon what you have chosen to believe. Your choosing to believe that is the case, however, does not make it definitively true.

            “We can’t make a mistake in this matter since it affects the salvation of millions of people.”

            So then if that is your reason for not allowing same-gender civil marriage, then you would also be supportive of making it illegal to engage in any Biblical sin, yes? Making it illegal to divorce except in cases of adultery. Making it illegal to take the Christian god’s name in vain. Making it illegal to create any idols that do not represent the Christian god. Making it illegal for men to have long hair and women to have short hair. Etc., etc. Yes?

          • John_33

            You said:

            Homosexuals AND men who were castrated AND men who had decided to devote themselves to their faith.

            You can’t pick and choose what you wish to be true. Either Jesus is referring to homosexuals in verse 12 or He is not. You can’t say that one set of eunuchs must be homosexuals when it supports your bias and the other set are not when it doesn’t support your bias. Take the Bible as a whole.

            You said:

            No you wouldn’t. The question to Jesus was about a man marrying a woman. To jump from that to prohibiting same-gender civil marriage is a leap. He said what he said – nothing more.

            That’s one of the worst arguments I’ve ever heard. So, when the disciples responded to Jesus and said that marriage must not be good because of His commandments in verse 10, you are telling me that Jesus really responded by saying, “oh, my words on marriage don’t apply to gays! They have fewer restrictions than heterosexuals!” That would be absurd. Jesus said that His words on marriage did not apply to eunuchs because they weren’t able to receive it; not because they were attracted to men. That’s an absurd position.

            And how did you determine that he was speaking of birth defects, something so rare that it would hardly be worth mentioning? Society, at that time, utilized different meanings for the word eunuch. Roman law supported this differential by have specific laws which governed “true eunuchs” (gay men) versus eunuchs that were castrated or were not physically capable of having sexual relations. Societal definitions at that time do not support your views.

            That’s incorrect. Not only did they have birth defects and health issues in Rome, but they classified their eunuchs differently based on the disabilities they had. They had Spadones, Thlibiae, Thladiae, Castrati, Falcati, Thomii, and Inguinarii. Each group had a different physical problem with procreation or some other health problem related to function – some by birth. The Romans did not and would not classify those who engaged in homosexual acts as a different group of people because they saw homosexuality as behavior and not part of the person. It’s only recently that the concept of sexual orientation has been around – in fact, scholars who study this period and topic, such as Walter Stevenson, warn that it’s incorrect to force modern ideas of homosexuality into ancient history – it doesn’t work. There are no ‘true eunuchs.’ Some Romans actually derided those who engaged in homosexual acts and used derogatory terms against them. Even Julius Caesar was derided for his relationship with Nicomedes of Bithynia.

            http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/sexuality/tp/20113-Types-of-Eunuchs-in-the-Roman-Empire.htm

            You said:

            Please provide any quotes from Jesus where he speaks of homosexuality.

            I already presented Jesus’ words. He endorsed the Mosaic Law that forbids homosexuality. Jesus knew what He was endorsing. He also condemned all fornication and lust. That’s a clear condemnation of homosexuality.

            I said:

            “It then follows that the only sexual relationship that God approves of is marriage between a man and a woman.”

            You said:

            You are certainly free to interpret it that way, but it is never said.

            There’s no interpretation needed – it’s what Jesus said. Matthew 19:4-6:

            And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, and said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.

            Notice what Jesus says: For this cause, a man shall leave father and mother and cleave to his wife. Why does man leave father and mother and cleave to his wife? For this cause: God made them male and female at the beginning. Where is this from? Jesus was quoting Genesis 2:23-24 where Adam’s marriage with Eve was blessed. God only dealt with male-female marriage from the beginning of Creation till now because He ordained it that way. There is no place where God blessed a male-male marriage or a male-male sexual relationship. This is not an interpretation; it’s simply what the text says. It would be an interpretation to claim that Jesus was in favour of homosexual relationships.

            I said:

            “If a man looking at a woman to lust after her in his heart is guilty of adultery, then we can say that a man looking at another man to lust after him in his heart is guilty of adultery too.”

            You said:

            Again, you are certainly free to interpret it that way, but it is never said.

            Are you telling me that Jesus said, “Men, you can’t lust after women, but if you lust after a man, then that’s different.” God forbid! Lust is lust, but to remove all doubt, here are a number of passages that deal with lust:

            For ye know what commandments we gave you by the Lord Jesus. For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication: that every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honour; not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God: ~ 1 Thessalonians 4:2-5

            …for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin; that he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God. For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries: ~ 1 Peter 4:1b-3

            Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever. ~ 1 John 2:15-17

            The lust of the eyes and the lust of the flesh are condemned in the Bible. There is no justification for a man to lust after another man. Isn’t this what Paul said men given to homosexuality did?

            and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. ~ Romans 1:27

            You said:

            Based upon what you have chosen to believe. Your choosing to believe that is the case, however, does not make it definitively true.

            I already demonstrated above that lusting is a sin, and it’s already well-established that homosexuality is forbidden. Even pro-gay scholars readily admit that verses in the Bible ban homosexual relations. You may wish to ignore it, but that doesn’t change what the Bible says.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “You can’t pick and choose what you wish to be true. Either Jesus is referring to homosexuals in verse 12 or He is not. You can’t say that one set of eunuchs must be homosexuals when it supports your bias and the other set are not when it doesn’t support your bias”

            I am not picking and choosing. As I have said before, the discussion that Jesus was having related to men who did not have sexual desire for women being exempt from having to take a wife. Jesus described such men as being the result of three distinct events. Choosing to devote one’s life to faith, being castrated by man, and being born without a desire for women. It is the latter which I contend refers to homosexuals.

            ““Oh, my words on marriage don’t apply to gays! They have fewer restrictions than heterosexuals!””

            Not a question of restrictions. A question of requirements. Jesus was clearly saying: Eunuchs, who do not have a desire for women, do not need to be concerned with taking a wife.

            “There’s no interpretation needed – it’s what Jesus said. Matthew 19:4-6:”

            Yes. And he further clarified that in Matthew 19:12

            “The Romans did not and would not classify those who engaged in homosexual acts as a different group of people because they saw homosexuality as behavior and not part of the person.”

            But they did.

            “Are you telling me that Jesus said, “Men, you can’t lust after women, but if you lust after a man, then that’s different.””

            No, I’m not telling you he said that. I’m telling you he said nothing about homosexual lust.

            “I already demonstrated above that lusting is a sin”

            According to you belief system.

            ‘and it’s already well-established that homosexuality is forbidden.”

            Homosexuality is not forbidden in the Bible. What is forbidden in the Bible is two people of the same gender having sexual relations. And, again, that is not based upon the words of Jesus, but the words of the writers of the Gospels.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            But you were born as one, explain that to us?

          • MarcAlcan

            Jesus never spoke about homosexuality but did say that homosexuals are born as homosexuals. Apparently, it wasn’t much of an issue for him.

            Wrong again. Jesus never said that.
            Aah, the lengths of lying you people would go to.
            Jesus was talking about Eunuchs not homosexuals. They were never interchangeable.
            If you read the text, He says that there are Eunuchs who were born Eunuchs and there are those that are so for the Kingdom.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “Jesus was talking about Eunuchs not homosexuals.”

            In biblical times, the word “eunuch” referred to men who did not have desire for sexual relations with women. Jesus pointed out that comes about three ways. Those who choose so in service of their faith, those who are made so by man (castrated) and those who are born that way, making it clear that some men are born without an attraction to women – i.e. homosexuals.

          • MarcAlcan

            In biblical times, the word “eunuch” referred to men who did not have desire for sexual relations with women

            No it didn’t. You’re fibbing.

            Besides, just take a look at the text: Eunuchs who were so for the Kingdom. How does one choose to become an abomination for the kingdom of God?

            Those who choose so in service of their faith, those who are made so by man (castrated)

            You think castration makes you a homosexual? Really?

            and those who are born that way, making it clear that some men are born without an attraction to women – i.e. homosexuals.

            Hogwash. It is talking about those who were born with deformities in the reproductive area.
            Sorry but there is no way you can stretch it that way. No way at all.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “No it didn’t. You’re fibbing.”

            No, I’m not. In ancient Rome, eunuch as a term used to describe men who did not desire sexual relations with women. These men were often used as protectors of women, as they were considered safe around women due to their lack of sexual desire for women.

            “Eunuchs who were so for the Kingdom. How does one choose to become an abomination for the kingdom of God?”

            Choosing to eschew sexual relations to devote ones self to the service of faith does not mean that the person develops sexual desires for men. Even today, many men chose to be chaste (priests, for example). That does not mean that they develop sexual attraction to men.

            Jesus never said that those who are attracted to the same gender are “abominations”. Those words are from man.

            “You think castration makes you a homosexual? Really?”

            No, I don’t. As I have said, the word eunuch referred to more than homosexuals.

            “It is talking about those who were born with deformities in the reproductive area.”

            While I realize that you want very badly to believe that in order to justify your beliefs, that is such a rarity that it would not be worth mentioning.

            “Sorry but there is no way you can stretch it that way. No way at all.”

            Of course I can, and rationally and reasonably. It is just not what some Christians want to believe as it invalidates their rationale for discrimination.

          • MarcAlcan

            No, I’m not. In ancient Rome, eunuch as a term used to describe men who did not desire sexual relations with women

            Well duh! I just gave you the etymology of it. It is not Roman, it is Greek. And they were castrated to ensure that they don’t fiddle with the women.

            Choosing to eschew sexual relations to devote ones self to the service of faith does not mean that the person develops sexual desires for men.

            But did you not notice your word use there: choosing to eschew sexual relations It’s a choice to eschew sexual relations and NOT because they have no desire for sexual relations with women.

            While I realize that you want very badly to believe that in order to justify your beliefs, that is such a rarity that it would not be worth mentioning.

            Sorry but you are the one who want very badly for Eunuch to mean something it does not. It never was in Rome as it never was in Greece.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “And they were castrated to ensure that they don’t fiddle with the women.”

            Not all were castrated. Some were born without desire for women. Roman laws clearly delineated between those who were castrated and those were born without a sexual desire for women. There are numerous examples in Roman writings of the term eunuch being used in reference men who have sexual relations with other men.

            “It’s a choice to eschew sexual relations and NOT because they have no desire for sexual relations with women.”

            For those who did so in service to their faith. Not so for those who were born without a desire for women or for those who were castrated.

            “And yes, those who were BORN Eunuchs are those who were born with physical problems in that area.”

            Your proof of this?

          • MarcAlcan

            Not all were castrated. Some were born without desire for women.

            That there were some men who were homosexual from the back then is not in question. What is in question is the Eunuch that Jesus was referring to.
            Sorry to say but your argument does not hold because Eunuch is Eunuch in Jesus’s time. He would never refer to a homosexual when the act was considered an abomination. That would be like saying that an abomination somehow serves the kingdom of God.

            Your proof of this?

            How about the definition and etymology of the word itself?

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “He would never refer to a homosexual when the act was considered an abomination.”

            Jesus never referred to homosexual acts as an abomination.

            “That would be like saying that an abomination somehow serves the kingdom of God.”

            That has already been covered. Your analogy is false.

            “How about the definition and etymology of the word itself?”

            Various views on that.

            “But not the Bible.”

            The discussion was about how the term eunuch was used at the time. Therefore, it’s use at the time in Roman law is relevant to its meaning in the Bible.

          • MarcAlcan

            Jesus never referred to homosexual acts as an abomination.

            Jesus was a faithful first century Jew. Jews believed it an abomination. Jesus never ever overturned that view. St Paul whom he especially picked wrote that because they homosexuals have traded the truth for the lie God left them in their sin.

            That has already been covered. Your analogy is false. </blockquote

            No it isn't. It is your assumption that was false.

            The discussion was about how the term eunuch was used at the time.

            We only have to go by it’ etymology to know that. Even Romans used the term Eunuch as Eunuch.
            And no, the discussion is not how Eunuch was used at the time (you tried to make it into that) but what Jesus meant when He used the word Eunuch. Since He was talking in the context of marriage, then your argument falls flat.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “Jesus was a faithful first century Jew. Jews believed it an abomination. Jesus never ever overturned that view. St Paul whom he especially picked wrote that because they homosexuals have traded the truth for the lie God left them in their sin. ”

            Paul was certainly entitled to write whatever he cared to. That does not change the fact that there is no quote from Jesus in the bible saying that homosexual relations are an abomination.

            “We only have to go by it’ etymology to know that. Even Romans used the term Eunuch as Eunuch.”

            No, we have much more than the etymology. We have records of Roman writings and laws which state how the word “eunuch” was used at the time.

            “And no, the discussion is not how Eunuch was used at the time”

            That was what my discussion was.

            “He was talking in the context of marriage”

            Yes, he was. Specifically saying that those who were born without sexual desire for women were not required to marry a woman.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            And were you there when he supposedly didn’t say it?

          • MarcAlcan

            And were you there when he supposedly didn’t say it?

            So your hatred has eaten you up that you can’t think clearly so you come up with this dumb question?
            Bruce, if you are going to argue from the Bible then you have to realize that you have to accept the Bible as fact. Otherwise, don’t use the Bible at all.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            I can use the Bible as I see fit to destroy your arguments against homosexuality. The reality here is that you don’t get use the bible in your arguments if you are going to cherry pick verses while avoiding the ones that don’t fit your argument. You like to quote Leviticus when it comes to homosexuality when in fact that verse has nothing to do with homosexuality. You want to take Leviticus as fact then you are bound to follow every verse, not just the ones you like. Otherwise you are a heathen and will end up rotting in hell with the rest of your anti-gay buddies here.

          • MarcAlcan

            The reality here is that you don’t get use the bible in your arguments if you are going to cherry pick verses while avoiding the ones that don’t fit your argument

            I am not cherry picking. Every where in the Bible homosexuality is condemned.
            It is not just in Leviticus. It is in the NT as well. In fact St Paul is harsher than Leviticus when he spoke about it.
            As for being a heathen – did you not know that St Paul was addressing precisely those perverts in Rome when he wrote how those engaging in homosexual activity has traded the truth for the lie so they have been left in their perversion.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            Bullshit. Your twisted interpretation claims that homosexuality is condemned in the Bible. But the reality is that it is not. Let me guess do you also think that the Catholic church was always against reincarnation?

          • MarcAlcan

            Bullshit. Your twisted interpretation claims that homosexuality is condemned in the Bible

            You know what the great thing about the Bible is? It speaks for itself. And sorry but it is very, very, explicit there that it is condemned both in the old and in the New Testament. There is just no way out of that.

          • Spoob

            First of all, I don’t play the “where in the Bible” game with people like you because I’m not a “Bible-only” Christian. Sola scriptura is a farce. Secondly, it doesn’t matter if the Bible doesn’t endorse it. It isn’t mentioned and doesn’t need to be. Love is love.

          • Gary

            You’re not a Christian at all. You are a wicked sinner who is pretending to be a Christian. And you’re not good at it.

          • MarcAlcan

            You’re not a Christian at all. You are a wicked sinner who is pretending to be a Christian. And you’re not good at it.

            So are all of us. So going down that path goes nowhere. Accusing each other of being a sinner will not help the discussion because we all are

          • Gary

            He claims that he is a Christian. But his statements reveal that he is not.

          • MarcAlcan

            Perhaps. But there is no point calling each other sinners, because that is just plain fact. We all are. It does not add anything to the discussion.

          • Gary

            I disagree. When people claim to be followers of Jesus Christ, but reject the Bible, their hypocrisy should be pointed out.

          • MarcAlcan

            But you sin too. Is that not hypocrisy as well.
            I do believe that hypocrisy should be exposed but in this thread, calling someone a sinner when you yourself are one as well, just get us nowhere.
            You might want to rebut him some other way but just plain calling him sinner serves no purpose.

          • Gary

            Again, I disagree.

          • MarcAlcan

            Okay let me put this to you.
            Suppose you stink so badly ( I mean really, really badly) and you know it.
            Then comes along another person who stink equally badly as you.

            Then you tell him: Boy you stink!
            How laughable is that?

          • Gary

            Bad analogy. I’m not claiming I don’t sin. I am saying he has no faith and has never had his sins forgiven, even though he claims he has. His words prove he is still in his sins, and not in Christ.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            You are a self hating closeted homosexual. End of story. Next!

          • Gary

            Bingo!! When the homosexuals have nothing else to say, they always claim that those who oppose homosexuality are themselves homosexuals. But you know, if true, that would mean that God Himself is a homosexual. But that can’t be true, because God would have to damn himself, and that won’t happen.

          • James Grimes

            Gary, his comments are totally meaningless. Please, let him wallow in his misery. He does not deserve the company of decent people.

          • Spoob

            You really seem to have a thing about not addressing people directly when you insult them. It strikes me as cowardly.

          • Bruce Pelegrino

            So you are admitting that you are gay? Bravo for you sir. Oh and sorry to break it to you sweetie but I’m a married heterosexual male. 🙂

          • BarkingDawg

            only by your standards

          • MarcAlcan

            Secondly, it doesn’t matter if the Bible doesn’t endorse it. It isn’t mentioned and doesn’t need to be. Love is love.

            But IT IS mentioned…. as an abomination.
            Now you may be arguing that Christ never spoke against it. But argument from silence is dumb.
            Secondly, there is a reason why He never spoke against it and that is because every first century Jew knows that it is an abomination which is why the issue never came up.
            If this is something that He meant to be overturned, He would have gone on about it and corrected that perception like He did with the teaching about divorce.

            Furthermore, just take for example the teaching on adultery.

            Instead of softening the teaching, He made it harder. He said that if you so much as look at a woman with lust, you are already committing adultery.

            So what do you think would have happened to a teaching that has been considered abominable from the beginning? Do you think that He would suddenly reverse that? Hardly. He would proably go in the same vein as the adultery teaching – that if a man so much as looks at another man with lust, he has already commited an abomination.

          • Spoob

            I think it’s been pointed out to you that you are interpreting those verses to mean homosexuality which conveniently allows you to call it abomination, when many would say it is a warning against male prostitution.

            Argument from Silence IS dumb, but I’m not doing that. You are. You’re asking me to show where Jesus gave an endorsement of homosexuality and you and I both know he didn’t do that. So what are you trying to prove by showing that there’s nothing there? Silence is silence. You can’t use it to show the Bible is opposed.

          • MarcAlcan

            you are interpreting those verses to mean homosexuality which conveniently allows you to call it abomination, when many would say it is a warning against male prostitution.

            But it isn’t about male prostitution. It is about homosexual activity.

            Go read the text yourself. Do you want me to quote it verbatim here?

            Argument from Silence IS dumb, but I’m not doing that. You are. You’re asking me to show where Jesus gave an endorsement of homosexuality

            Wrong yet again. I am not asking you to show where Jesus gave an endorsement of homosexuality.
            I am asking you to show where Jesus overturned the Judaic law regarding homosexuality. After all, if it is really something that you think Jesus overturned, the like all the other things which He spoke against or corrected, He would also have done that too. Take for example divorce, or stoning an adulteress, or eating with sinners. He very openly challenged the Jews of his time about this. But, He never did anything about homosexuality? Why? Because it was an accepted fact that it was an abomination.
            It would only be an argument from silence if there is no standing rule within which Jesus lived and if He never challenged any of them. But if there is a law and He went along with it, then it is an acceptance of that law.

            As I explained above, if we project Jesus’s teaching about adultery to the teaching about homosexuality, we would probably see a more severe application like he way he did with adultery and murderer where even thinking about it becomes an act of commission.

          • BarkingDawg

            what did the passage say in the original greek (Koiné)?

            Oh, yes, you are being literal about a book that was copied and reoccupied hundreds of thousands of times, translated and retranslated numerous times as well.

            The King James version was translated from Latin, which was translated from Koiné, which was translated from the tales spoken in whatever local dialect and passed along by the nomadic tribes of the mid east. . .

            The truth is that no one has any real idea what the original stories said.

            and that is a historic fact.

          • MarcAlcan

            what did the passage say in the original greek (Koiné)?

            How about you make that your assignment.
            You can start with this if you like.
            http://www.scripture4all.org/OnlineInterlinear/Greek_Index.htm

            The truth is that no one has any real idea what the original stories said.

            Says you. But if you believe that the Bible is the Word of God then of course you accept it for the discussion.
            It ‘s stupid of you to argue about the credibility of the Bible when you are an atheist. We would not even be using the Bible as a defence against atheist. That would be a dumb thing to do.

          • James Grimes

            “The King James version was translated from Latin, which was translated from Koiné, which was translated from the tales spoken in whatever local dialect and passed along by the nomadic tribes of the mid east. . .” Not in your lifetime. You are posting false information. It’s not even close to the truth.

          • BarkingDawg

            Are you saying that the bible was originally written in English?

          • James Grimes

            Put your reading glasses back on.

          • BarkingDawg

            Then what was wrong with my statement?

            The King James Version was translated from Latin, which was translated from Koiné, which was translated from the original spoken languages.

          • James Grimes

            “Then what was wrong with my statement?”
            The KJV was translated from the Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek.

          • Spoob

            It doesn’t matter how you interpret that verse. The fact is we know so much more about human sexuality today than we did when the Bible was written, and it’s not fair to judge them based on one interpretation.

            I’m not going to play your game because I do not think there was a Judaic law regarding homosexuality.

          • MarcAlcan

            It doesn’t matter how you interpret that verse

            The verses are clear. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence will get it.

            fact is we know so much more about human sexuality today than we did when the Bible was written

            So what is sin then is no longer sin now just because we know “more” about human sexuality? And what if this “more” is actually of the devil? Should we follow it because we know more? Is that not precisely the temptation that Adam and Eve succumbed to?

            I’m not going to play your game because I do not think there was a Judaic law regarding homosexuality

            There is. You only have to open your Bible.
            But like St Paul said, you have traded the truth for the lie. You are free to follow the father of these lies.

          • Spoob

            All you have is an interpretation, the same as everyone else. That’s why random Bible verses mean so little out of context, and why tested science and mental health study is going to provide us with more reliable answers, not religious bigotries.

            Your problem is you can only look at homosexuality as “sin” and that’s completely ridiculous – is it “sin” when it occurs in the animal kingdom? Two homosexual penguins, are they “sinning” too? Is the devil behind it? Or is a natural occurrence?

            Your Bible is a lot of things but one thing it is not is a guide to homosexuality, especially in this day and age when we know so much more about it. You need to stop beating up people with your Bible over things you fail to understand.

          • MarcAlcan

            You are the one misrepresenting the Bible and using it as a tool for intolerance and hatred.

            Actually, in this instance Neiman and Gary are both correct.

          • MarcAlcan

            According to your very narrow and slanted interpretation of the Bible.

            In this instance, there is no other way to interpret it but that.

        • Bruce Pelegrino

          Nope the complete opposite. Those that promote hatred and bias via religion have a special place reserved for them in Hell. You and James should get ready for that special place. Its at 211 Lake of Fire Rd, Hell.

          • Gary

            Can you prove what you said from the Bible? What is the Biblical evidence for what you said?

        • BarkingDawg

          Spoken like a true Pharisee

          • Gary

            You have no clue what a Pharisee is.

          • BarkingDawg

            Look in the mirror.

            https://www.barna.org/barna-update/faith-spirituality/611-christians-more-like-jesus-or-pharisees#.VKBisAA0

            The Barna Group, a Christian polling firm did a study of Chistian attitudes and found that more Christians identified with the attitudes and actions of the pharasees then they did with the attitudes and actions of Jesus.

            Look in the mirror.

          • Gary

            Unlike you, I actually know what a Pharisee is. And, unlike you, I also know who Jesus is, and believe what he said.

          • BarkingDawg

            What he said, or what others have claimed he said?

          • Gary

            What he said, as recorded in the Bible.

          • BarkingDawg

            Passed down as spoken stories, written down and copied by various imperfect scribes, translated over and over again.

            A game of scriptural telephone over the course of twenty centuries.

      • MarcAlcan

        And you, sir, are in the rapidly growing minority.

        Perhaps. But morality and the truth were never a matter of the vote.
        There is also the fact that the strong arm of the homosexual lobby will punish you if you so much as make a peep. They are bullies. The worst kind. The kind that pretend to be victims.

        • Spoob

          Yeah, what awful bullies they are, even though the homosexuals are being made to feel so horrible and guilty by religious fundamentalists that they kill themselves or live lives burdened by self-loathing. Give your head a shake.

          • MarcAlcan

            Yeah, what awful bullies they are, even though the homosexuals are being made to feel so horrible and guilty by religious fundamentalists

            They should feel guilty! Why should they not feel guilty when they are? Should paedophiles not feel guilty? Shouldn’t adulterers, etc, etc?

          • Spoob

            There you go again, comparing homosexuals to pedophiles and adulterers, both of whom are exploiting another person and not doing something consensually. You can’t make that comparison because it is not a fair one.

            Homosexuals are not promiscuous by nature. That’s a lie and there is no statistic to back it up.

            The people in the video you sent were sold a line and they bought it. You cannot alter your sexuality, that’s been proven by the American Psychological Association.

          • MarcAlcan

            There you go again, comparing homosexuals to pedophiles and adulterers, both of whom are exploiting another person and not doing something consensually.

            Well duh, they are the same. They are all sins.

            Of course you can compare one sin to the other – which one is more perverse.

            And FYI, I don’t know which cave you emerged from but adultery is consensual. If not, it is called rape.

            Homosexuals are not promiscuous by nature. That’s a lie and there is no statistic to back it up.

            Boy oh boy. Have you got a rude awakening coming.

            It is very well documented that homosexuals are not monogamous by nature. Which is why so many are perplexed at this demand for a monogamous marriage. Even homosexuals have stated as much.

            The big problem with you is you are in denial. You are afraid of the truth. So you limit your information to those that will shore up the fantasy that homosexuals paint of their lifestyle.

            Get a book called “Strained Relations: The Challenge of Homosexuality” and be revolted by the filth. And the details there are very, very well documented. A lot of them quoted by homosexuals themselves and drawn from homosexual literature.

            The people in the video you sent were sold a line and they bought it. You cannot alter your sexuality, that’s been proven by the American Psychological Association.

            Firstly, one more dumb argument. Did you actually watch the video. Did you? Or are you just trying to wing it hoping that I will not be able to tell.
            You see the video said NOTHING about altering sexuality. You are to immersed in your fear. How terribly sad for someone supposedly Christian that you can’t even watch something so beautiful and profound.
            As for sexuality. There is only ONE sexuality. And that is heterosexuality. That is the way it was meant to be and that is the way it is. Homosexuality is corrupted sexuality. It is an abnormality. It is like being born with all the body parts is the normal, the natural thing. But some people are born without a limb, with a deformity, etc. etc. Now I am NOT saying that they are any less a person. What I am trying to get at is that these are abnormalities.

          • Spoob

            I think practically everything you’ve said in this message contradicts science and mental health experts, but of course you know better because your rigid interpretation of your Bible is best.

            Homosexuality is not pedophilia though, and if you didn’t learn that the first time, you better learn it now, because if you walk around in your daily routine saying things like that publicly you can expect people to get extremely upset with you.

            Adultery is consensual? Not to the party being left in the dark.

            If homosexuals aren’t monogamous by nature, why do you think so many of them are lining up to get married? That’s just silliness on your part.

            No I already told you I didn’t watch your video. Give me one from a non-biased or scientific source, that’s the angle I would take seriously, not a bigoted religious one.

    • thoughtsfromflorida

      That is certainly your right. Would you prefer that the father NOT be involved?

      • Gary

        By participating in this “family”, the “father” is endorsing an immoral arrangement. That makes him a bad father.

        • thoughtsfromflorida

          So you believe it would be better if the father were not involved in his children’s lives?

          • Gary

            Better if he were a good example to his children.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            How can he serve as an example if he is not involved in their lives? Are you suggesting that the best way for the biological father to be a role model for his children is to not be involved in their lives?

          • Gary

            If he is going to be immoral, and a bad influence on his children, then they would be better off without him.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            So then any father who does not share your views on what is moral and what is not, should remove himself from his children’s lives, correct?

            What would his involvement in his children’s life influence them to do that would be “bad”?

          • Gary

            I don’t define sin, God does that. Both you, and the adults in this “family” are in rebellion against what God has condemned.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            You have chosen to believe that God defines sin in the Bible. Your choosing to believe that does not make it true, but it is certainly your choice to believe it is and to hold that as your view.

            I’ll ask again:

            So then any father who does not share your views on what is moral and what is not, should remove himself from his children’s lives, correct?

            What would his involvement in his children’s life influence them to do that would be “bad”?

          • Gary

            You want to define morality, instead of accepting God’s definition of it. The problem you have is that God won’t allow that.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “You want to define morality, instead of accepting God’s definition of it. ”

            You want to define morality based solely on your having chosen to believe in a particular faith.

            “The problem you have is that God won’t allow that.”

            I have no problem, and obviously God does allow that as it exists. Even within the Christian faith, the various sects have been unable to come to agreement on a single definition of what is moral and what is not. Of course, I assume that you believe that the sect you belong to is the correct one – just as others who belong to other sects believe theirs is.

          • Gary

            Just because something exists does not mean that God approves of it. Even someone with your limitations should understand that.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “Just because something exists does not mean that God approves of it. ”

            Agreed. Just as your choosing to believe that the Bible accurately depicts what God approves and disapproves of does not mean it is true.

            “Even someone with your limitations should understand that.”

            Ahhh…using an insult. Did you learn that in Bible study?

    • BarkingDawg

      So?

      I would like to point out, however, that there is a very strong chance that there is at least one homosexual in your family.

      Your rejection of family doesn’t seem like a very Christian thing to the test of the world.

  • pjwung

    I have always been somewhat skeptical about the End Times prediction being in the present time but it is definitely getting my attention at ths point??? We have now entered the return of Sodom and Gomorrah it appears when these behaviors are being accepted by the mainstream…..normalized in fact when it clearly flies in the face of the natural order – no apology offered here – it is what it is…! Have nothing against these individuals personally but I do not feel the behavior needs to be either promoted, accepted nor glorified. I say this because I believe that I have a right to an opinion based upon my worldview, and the standards by which I live as long as it is not motivated by hostility, hatred or ill will which in my case it is not..I reject this definition of family when a male and female sexual and emotional union has been the undisputed and natural composition of the family from time immemorial… Homosexuality comprises approximately 2% of the population and has been statistically consistent which is of course well beyond the normal curve and therefore cries out for a great deal of physiological, medical, psychological, and social behavioral research to be done in order to arrive at some degree of understanding of this phenomenon. One that has clamored for center stage throughout the world in these tumultuous contemporary times. An issue which is tearing many cultures a part at the seams and only seems to be creating an enormous amount of discord and turmoil in an ever-deteriorating social, political and religious worldwide climate.

    • http://facebook.com singflatly

      There is no mystery. The evil one has his script and he’s sticking to it. We wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against spiritual principalities in high places. Yes, people can and do choose how to live their lives, and I will treat each and every person that comes across my path with full love, dignity and respect. But the ruler of this world system is behind the movement. He seeks not only to promote this agenda, but to divide Christians as well. Trust me, it’s working big time. We need to pray for lost souls, but the end of this period of Grace must be coming to a quick conclusion. Having said that, people are judged by God Almighty individually for their own account and works, so we must witness and pray for those whom we can reach. While there is still time. I suspect we are running out of time and Father God is reaching the point where He can bear this wicked world no more. I wish no one to be lost or condemned, forever is a very long and unending state. Sadly, a great many will only kick up their heels and fight even harder and deny the Truth of God Almighty and His Word before this all comes to a close. Saddest of all, is that many Christians and churches are fully in support of this, and also living in the world and being a full participant of this world system. The world is not our home. Heaven is our home, and the new earth which is to come. We need to keep that fully in mind. God bless you.

  • JennyWren

    I don’t know anything about Norman Rockwell’s personal beliefs, but I have loved his paintings since I was a child. It sad for me that his name has to be associated with this perversion. We should remember these people in our prayers though, because every one of us was once like them, hostile to the things of God before He got ahold of our hearts.

  • The Lone Ranger

    1 Peter 4:17
    For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? ………We must always look to see what the word of God says ! We the Church sit around and make nonchalant remarks and comments when we should be in an uproar and outraged over this foul flagrant disregard of moral standards which is a abomination to the lord……….
    Luke 16:15
    And he said unto them, Ye are they which justify yourselves before men; but God knoweth your hearts: for that which is highly esteemed among men is abomination in the sight of God

  • Terry Natalia

    Lost behavior

  • Jim Granberry

    I buy generic which probably means nothing. However as a believer in the bible teachings and a believer that the only real marriages are those between one man and one woman I feel our voices should be heard. These companies have the right to promote whatever they like to promote however I and all who believe have the right to buy from whomever we like to buy from as does everybody else.

    • BarkingDawg

      Who do you think makes the generics?

      A company in India run by Hindus most likely.

  • bowie1

    Obviously they are only needed when a person has a headache or some other aches and pains.

  • Armand Tetreault

    we are witnessing the destruction of the great empire call the United States of America. When old great powers of the world destructors it started with the moral collapse from within, that’s where we are

  • Elat

    don’t even get me started…. their exploitation of kids for their own agenda is as selfish and unacceptable as it gets. Btw; don’t buy Tylenol. Big Pharma is 100% corrupt in just about every way one can think of.

  • Dr. Dee Tee

    and tylenol thinks rockwell would have approved of that spin just how???? his granddaughter doesn’t know his feelings on the issue or theuse of his work for such a perverted reason.

    family begins with a mother and a father only. anything else is sin and perversion.

  • elizabeth

    All those who sin are judged by God when their time comes. And to say that God doesn’t exist is a sin itself. And once again were in the bible doesn’t state that being gay is a choice and that god accepts it anywhere in the Bible. If it wasn’t a sin then why not have it legal in every country in every state all over the world. And those who are Atheists are in for a rude awaking, when their end is near.

  • Robert Roche

    To be honest this article and advert are correct. The face of the modern family has changed and none Christians are not ours to judge. Best we confine ourselves to our own walk with Christ and tell as many people as we can about Jesus. Christians are increasingly looking rather pompous and judgmental which serves no purpose but the enemies. People sin as do all Christians. Stop sounding naive and build your own foundations in Christ and then you will be a light amongst none believers.

    • Gary

      Part of being a Christian is reproving sin. (Ephesians 5:11) God has already judged homosexuality to be a sin, and Christians have no choice but to agree with God’s decision. Sinners will accuse Christians of judging them, but it is not us, but God, who has judged them.

      • Robert Roche

        Don’t tell me, your a free church Christian with no Scriptural Foundation other than in what serves your own purpose!!!! How rare! lol Read your Bible and try to learn a bit of truth.

    • MarcAlcan

      To be honest this article and advert are correct. The face of the modern family has changed and none Christians are not ours to judge

      Sorry but that is false.
      If we are Christians, then our religion is evangelical. That duty comes with our baptism. To not do so is to cave in to the evils of the secular society.
      It is precisely that kind of attitude that results in the demise of Christianity.
      Christianity is not a me and Jesus thing. We have to proclaim the faith.

      • BarkingDawg

        In other words being a Christian is a license to being a jerk.

        Got it.

        • MarcAlcan

          In other words being a Christian is a license to being a jerk.

          Got it.

          No. But not being a Christian seems to be.

          • BarkingDawg

            You are correct, I phrased that badly. being an Evangelical christian is a license to being a jerk.

            The rest of us, non-evangelical Christians, think you guys are obnoxious.

            Got that?

            Good.

          • Spoob

            Yes, it’s quite important to distinguish the evangelicals and fundamentalists from the normal Christians who are more compassionate and sane.

  • RickyWW

    What a beautiful commercial!

    • Gary

      There is nothing beautiful about homosexuality. Or about influencing children that homosexuality is a good thing.

      • BarkingDawg

        There is nothing pretty about your hatred for others or your trying to convince others that bigotry and hatred is a good thing.

        • Gary

          What about God’s hatred for you? That isn’t pretty either.

          • BarkingDawg

            So, you speak for God, now.

            You are so special.

          • Gary

            Yes, I am special. But I don’t speak for God. God has spoken for Himself in the Bible. You know, that book you think is fiction.

          • BarkingDawg

            How come there are so many different historical versions, then?

          • Gary

            I don’t think there are.

          • BarkingDawg

            You think wrong. There are more different versions of the New Testament than there are words in it.

          • Gary

            No, there are not. There are several different versions of the Bible, and some of them are really bad and should never be read by anyone. But there are not thousands, as would be the case if there were more versions than there are words in the New Testament.

  • http://www.FascistDykeMotors.com/ Katy

    It’s taken a ,long, long time, but the images we receive in the media about who we are are beginning to look more like, well, who we are. We finally get black people, gay people, strong female characters, the whole bit.

    I see that makes some people mad.

  • Bruce Pelegrino

    Good for them!!! To all those that are crying about this… Get over yourselves. Being such homophobes only fuels the argument that you are indeed gay yourself.

    • MarcAlcan

      Being such homophobes only fuels the argument that you are indeed gay yourself.

      We – are – not – homophobes or bigots.
      You however are trying to bully us into silence by calling us such.
      But we are on to your tactic.

      • Bruce Pelegrino

        You are exactly that. Otherwise you would mind your own fucking business. What two adults do in the privacy of their own home or in their own lives is none of your fucking business. You don’t want to get bullied, then stop bullying homosexuals and pushing your anti-gay agenda. You want to know what the gay agenda really is? Its called equal treatment, which is guaranteed for all men under the Constitution. The problem here is you douche-bags can’t accept that and want to stick your little noses into other peoples business. Well reality check sweetie, you are a minority in this country and your numbers are dwindling by the minute.

        • MarcAlcan

          Actually we are not but it is your tactic to label us so in the hope that you will be able to silence us – after all who likes to be called a homophobe and a bigot.
          But activite homosexuals are exactly what we say they are – engaging in depraved and sick activity. There is no getting away from that.
          And no again. We are not bullying homosexuals. Exposing the perversion is not bullying homosexuals. There are homosexuals who are celibate.
          And if you look at your post it full of anger and expletives and name calling. A sure sign that you have no rational argument left so you resort to that. Because there really is no rational argument for you side.
          And if we are a minority – so what? Perversion is perversion even if 99 percent of the population do it. If 99% of the population were murderers, it would still be murder. If 99% were paedophiles it would still be heinous. What is good and true is not determined by the vote.

    • Gary

      The common definition of “homophobe” is, someone who is unaccepting of homosexuals. That is me. I am also a bigot.

      • Bruce Pelegrino

        You are also a moron that uses religion to further your hatred. There is a special place reserved for you in hell princess.

  • maximillianrex carpediem

    It’s interesting to note that they admit that a boy needs a father figure. A lot of gay activists want to convince you trhat two women can raise a boy and it can be a perfectly healthy environment

  • Doug Kalin

    Thanks to Ray Comfort for posting this on Facebook. Now I know another company that I will fully support, Tylenol.

  • geena

    The challah bread god. Grounding and connecting people. Cool.

  • geena

    Wow, I never looked at Norman Rockwell’s paintings of family as rigid. Those darn, pesky rigid families!

  • Deborah Pedersen

    Bring on all the hateful stupid comments by the religiously brain damaged.

  • Grant Edwards

    We either believe what the Bible says or we don’t; the characters in this advertisement have rejected God’s word as being truth and His plan for their lives. Homosexuality is just sin, nothing more or less. We’re all pretty good at it, but the difference is most people wallow in it some people realise it as wrong behavior and turn from it, in obedience to God’s word. What you do, follow the sleeples or turn from sin? John 3:16

    • BarkingDawg

      Which version if the bible are you following?

      Biblical scholars have determined that there are more variations in historical versions of the New Testament than their are words in it

  • vicki

    Poor children…very confusing situation for them. Divorce brings it’s own issues of abandonment, rejection, insecurity and just plain brokeness, now we just add to it, by bringing another issue into the picture. Behind the scenes, not as pretty as they try to make you think…it’s all a facade. In the end, this will just equal a disaster…

  • Bold Bellle

    Posted on Facebook but I guess they didn’t like it so they took it down….,”glad I buy generic acetaminophen…saves me the inconvenience of boycotting the Tylenol brand. Lesbianism…..homosexuals….an abominable union does not a family make. It’s too bad these companies are willing to sell out just to increase sales. You cannot serve two masters…as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord and not the US dollar.” Boycott these companies supporting abominable behavior. A free market ensures we have a choice….for now at least. Removing my comment is censorship so I guess freedom of speech is already gone….

    • BarkingDawg

      Freedom of speach has nothing to do with what gets posted on Facebook.

      Learn what the US Constitution actually says, please.

  • BarkingDawg

    Many here post about the bible.

    I suspect that most are familiar with John 7:53. This is the parable where Jesus supposedly says: “He that is without sin among you, let him cast the first stone.”

    This is a great story, a lesson in the sin of hypocracy.

    Too bad it was invented and added to the bible sometime in the Middle Ages.

    I really would like if Jesus had actually said it.

    • Gary

      You don’t like anything Jesus said. Neither do you believe anything Jesus said.

      • BarkingDawg

        “And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother’s eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?”

        • Gary

          I notice you seem to pick those verses that would divert attention from your faults and failures. But you’re not hiding anything from God. And, that particular verse does not apply between you and me because you are not my brother.

          • BarkingDawg

            My, but you are the most self-righteous person on this site.

            You are getting tedious.

            Buh bye.

          • Gary

            You are the most ignorant person on this site. You don’t know the actual definition of anything, it would seem.

  • Randy

    John 3:18-20New King James Version (NKJV)
    18 “He
    who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is
    condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only
    begotten Son of God. 19 And
    this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and
    men
    loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20
    For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the
    light, lest his deeds should be exposed.I pray for all that love
    the darkness rather than the light. No word’s will make them see their
    ways. Prays and the Holy Spirit working in their lives is what is
    needed. Stop the back and forth my fellow follower’s of Christ. Pray for
    our fellow man in these times..

  • CB6061

    Pushing the homosexual propaganda is just a fad. These companies want to get on board for attention. It promotes their products b/c controversial topics get ppl talking. It’s very smart from a business standpoint. And the left wingers love it. Pretend it’s promoting family values, freedom & whatever else makes u happy, but it’s just business. As for the God comments…. The “I don’t agree with God, therefore he doesn’t exist” mindset is hilarious. I don’t agree w/ our communist president…. Therefore he doesn’t exist. Now I’m going to stop paying taxes & I no longer have to pay for my healthcare. Because I don’t like it & don’t agree w/ it.

  • Ernie Goodguy

    It’s not like Christians should should support science-based medicine companies anyway. Prayer should work just fine.

    • Adeline W

      Exactly. True Christians need no medicine – these evolutionists are just promoting the lifestyle of SATAN that only JESUS can free us from. The LORD will provide the health we need as we PRAY for GOD our ONLY SAVIOR!!!!!!!

  • Mary Fran
  • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

    The reasons to get the TV out of the house keep piling up higher and higher…

  • Adeline W

    Christians – the clowns of the modern world.

  • Karenena

    I don’t know what this has to do with pain reliever but their story is beautiful, tho unconventional (which they admit). You can’t deny that these are mature, loving people and I’d say those kids are in pretty good hands. This is life.

    • Gary

      Of course you can deny that these are mature, loving people. They are a bunch of foolish perverts.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ourbravenewworld Ex Military

    They’re just branching out… seeing if Tylenol can numb the conscience as well as pain receptors.

  • Michael Wolfe

    Good, gay couples will need Tylenol for the headaches they get when people complain about their relationships. I for one think it is awesome that Tylenol is stepping up for them. Christians wouldnt be too happy if the commercial said “Tylenol, Jesus used it”.
    Quit complaining and let people live their lives, its articles like this that make people refuse the christian faith. To me, a lesbian family seems to be a stronger family than what the Christian church has become.

  • Eyes Open

    None of that narrative has anything to do with analgesics as such. It’s all about brand loyalty and marketing demographics.

  • SteveN

    Gayism and pain killers, an appropriate combination.