Southern Poverty Law Center Files Judicial Ethics Complaint Against Ten Commandments Judge

Roy MooreMONTGOMERY, Ala. — The Southern Poverty Law Center, an organization that become notorious for creating its list of Christian “hate groups,” has filed a judicial ethics complaint against Alabama Supreme Court Justice Roy Moore after he sent a letter to Gov. Robert Bentley, asking that he uphold the state’s Sanctity of Marriage Amendment.

As previously reported, Moore, also known as the “Ten Commandments judge,” sent the letter to Bentley on Tuesday following Friday’s ruling by U.S. District Judge Ginny Granade, who declared the amendment unconstitutional.

“As you know, nothing in the United States Constitution grants the federal government the authority to redefine the institution of marriage,” he wrote, stating that the recent ruling raised “serious, legitimate concerns about the propriety of federal court jurisdiction over the Alabama Sanctity of Marriage Amendment.”

Moore pointed to the Scriptures in his letter, as Jesus declared in Mark 10:6-9 that “from the beginning of creation God made them male and female, [and] for this cause, a man shall leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife, and they twain shall be one flesh.” He also noted a U.S. Supreme Court ruling from 1885, which was reiterated in 1908, which stated that the foundation for marriage and family is “the union for life of one man and one woman in the holy estate of matrimony.”

Moore then called upon called upon Bentley defend the state Constitution as he does the same as Alabama Supreme Court Chief Justice.

“I ask you to uphold and support the Alabama Constitution with respect to marriage, both for the welfare of this state and for our posterity,” he urged. “Be advised that I will stand with you to stop judicial tyranny and any unlawful opinions issued without constitutional authority.”

Bentley issued a statement soon after, vowing to fight to defend Alabama’s Sanctity of Marriage Amendment.

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“The people of Alabama elected me to uphold our state Constitution, and when I took the oath of office last week, that is what I promised to do,” the governor said. “The people of Alabama voted in a constitutional amendment to define marriage as being between man and woman. As governor, I must uphold the Constitution. I am disappointed in Friday’s ruling, and I will continue to oppose this ruling. The federal government must not infringe on the rights of states.”

But on Wednesday, the Southern Poverty Law Center, filed a judicial ethics complaint against Moore, requesting that charges be brought against him in the Alabama Court of the Judiciary. In 2003, Southern Poverty Law Center co-founder Morris Dees became the central opponent against Moore’s display of the Ten Commandments on the state Supreme Court grounds, arguing that the chief justice “placed this monument here to acknowledge the sovereignty of God over the affairs of men.”

“It’s clear that Moore is more interested in being the chief pastor of Alabama than the Chief Justice of Alabama,” President Richard Cohen, who co-signed this week’s complaint, told the Montgomery Advisor. “I would hope he would be removed from the bench, but I don’t know the full range of measures the Court of the Judiciary in its wisdom might take.”

The document accuses Moore of issuing public comment on a pending case,  showing “complete disregard and disdain” for the Supremacy Clause of the U.S. Constitution and “assaulting the authority and integrity of the federal judiciary.”

But Moore said that it is his “duty to advise the lower courts when their jurisdiction is threatened by an unlawful mandate by a federal district court.”

“Our law and Alabama Supreme Court precedent are clear that lower federal and appeals court decisions carry only persuasive authority but are not binding on state judges also sworn to the United States Constitution, and who have equal authority to rule on such matters,” he commented in a statement.

In addition to taking issue with Moore, the Southern Poverty Law Center has been known for compiling its list of what it calls “hate groups” due to their stand for biblical marriage, including Focus on the Family and Family Research Council among its over 1,000 listed organizations.

In 2012, Roy Corkins, who was arrested after entering the offices of Family Research Council with a loaded gun, numerous rounds of ammunition and over a dozen Chick-fil-A sandwiches, told the FBI that his planned massacre was motivated by the “hate group” list on the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) website.

“How did you find [this organization] earlier?” an investigator asked in recorded video footage. “Did you look it up online?”

“Southern Poverty Law lists anti-gay groups,” Corkins replied. “I found them online. I did a little bit of research, went to the website, stuff like that.”

Tony Perkins, who leads Family Research Council, said that while the Southern Poverty Law Center characterizes Christian organizations as “hate groups,” it is instead the Center itself that is being hateful and inciting hatred with its actions.

“Let me be very clear here that Floyd Corkins was responsible for the wounding of one of our colleagues and friends at the Family Research Council,” he stated. “But, I believe he was given a license to do that by a group such as the Southern Poverty Law Center who labeled us a hate group because we defend the family and stand for traditional orthodox Christianity. … I think it’s time for people to realize what the Southern Poverty Law Center is doing with their reckless labeling of organizations they disagree with.”


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  • James Grimes

    I guess it was inevitable that an Atheist hate group would do something to counter the efforts of Justice More. Their only mission is anti-Christian hate. They have no interest in improving the lives of any of our citizens.

    • dark477

      SPLC isn’t an atheist organization and I’s say removing a judge that has no respect for the law or the Constitution is improve lives.

      • James Grimes

        I have no interest in your opinion. It is meaningless.

        • dark477

          You seem to see facts the same way.

          • James Grimes

            Not your “facts.” Now you’re being a nuisance.

          • dark477

            Not my facts just plain old facts.

  • Gary

    The federal courts are required to follow the US Constitution. The judge who ruled that Alabama must allow ssm has not followed the Constitution, therefore her ruling is invalid. Judge Moore is correct to ask the governor to ignore the federal court’s ruling.

    • Better AndBetter

      And what will Gary say when Judge Moore is fired… again?

      • Gary

        If that happens, I will say he was fired unjustly. He has done nothing wrong.

        • Better AndBetter

          Like in 2003?

          • Gary

            In this case, the federal judge has made an invalid ruling. It is invalid because it is not supported by the US Constitution. Invalid court rulings should not be honored. If federal judges can rule any way they want, without regard to the Constitution, then the Constitution is not needed. And, the judges would be part of a dictatorship.

          • Better AndBetter

            No, your opinion is that it is an invalid ruling.

            Unfortunately for you, that matters not.

          • Gary

            Not just unfortunate for me, but for the whole country. What it proves is that federal judges can rule any way they want, without regard to what the Constitution says, and then everyone is expected to bow and honor their decisions. Well, I’m done playing that game. If they want me to honor their decisions, then they need to prove their decisions are in accord with the Constitution.

          • Better AndBetter

            The nation is better for it.

            You don’t have to “honor” anything… you can’t be made to “accept it” and you’ll be dealt with for any violations of the law you make, just like other citizens.

          • Gary

            You and the judge both go to Hell.

          • Better AndBetter

            Been there…

            Michigan’s not such a bad place.

          • pax2u

            so now hateful Gary thinks that he speaks for a god, but not the Christian God Jesus Christ

          • Gary

            YOu are going to Hell too. And you will bypass purgatory.

          • pax2u

            that voice in your head is not the Christian God,

            you do not speak for God, sorry but you are not God

          • Gary

            I learned you are going to Hell by reading the Bible, not by hearing voices.

          • pax2u

            Gary you hatred and anger is sad, it is consuming you, I will continue to pray to my Christian God Jesus Christ for your eternal soul, amen

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “What it proves is that federal judges can rule any way they want, without regard to what the Constitution says, and then everyone is expected to bow and honor their decisions.”

            You obviously have not read his ruling. The entire basis is the constitution.

            “If they want me to honor their decisions, then they need to prove their decisions are in accord with the Constitution.”

            He already has.

          • Gary

            I’m still waiting for someone to cite the part of the US Constitution that requires ssm to be legal. I keep asking for the Constitutional proof, but none is ever offered.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “I’m still waiting for someone to cite the part of the US Constitution that requires ssm to be legal.”

            I’ll make ya a deal, Gary. I’ll provide you with such citations right after you provide me with the part of the US Constitution that requires that opposite gender marriage be legal.

          • Gary

            Since the US Constitution does not address marriage, there is no requirement in it that marriage must be legal. That means that these judges who are saying the Constitution requires ssm to be legal are lying.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “Since the US Constitution does not address marriage, there is no requirement in it that marriage must be legal.”

            Correct. Each state is free to decide if it wants to offer civil marriage. If, however, the state does choose to do so, it must do so in a manner which treats citizens equally under the law, as required by the 14th amendment to the constitution.

            No member of the judiciary has ever said that the constitution contains an explicit right for two citizens of the same gender to enter into marriage. Therefore, they are not “lying”.

          • Oboehner

            Judges cannot legislate (make law).

          • Gary

            But many of them think they can. That is a problem.

          • Better AndBetter

            Judges can overturn unconstitutional law… they’ve done it repeatedly in our history.

            They’re just doing their job.

          • Oboehner

            There are checks and balances, they are not the final word on anything.

          • Gary

            The Alabama law is not unconstitutional.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            Nor did the judge make law. He struck down a law. He made no new law.

          • Oboehner

            Like I said, we have a system of checks and balances, the courts (no matter what they think) are not the final word.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “Like I said, we have a system of checks and balances”

            That is not what you said. What you said was: “Judges cannot legislate (make law)”, which is true. The judiciary, in these cases, did not make law.

            As a usual matter, the courts are the final word. In this particular matter, the only remaining option would be a federal constitutional amendment restricting marriage to only citizens of opposite gender. The likelihood of Congress putting forth such an amendment and the enough states voting to ratify that amendment is virtually zero.

          • Oboehner

            Courts are NOT the final word.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            Regarding the constitutionally of laws, if the courts are not the final word, who/what is?

          • Oboehner

            We the people.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            What action do you believe “we the people” will take regarding same-gender marriage that would make judicial rulings on the matter null and void?

          • Oboehner

            Judicial review, constitutional amendments, impeachment…

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “Judicial review”

            Once the SCOTUS has ruled, what opportunity will there be for judicial review?

            “constitutional amendments”

            Since constitutional amendments restricting marriage to only one man and one woman have already been determined to violate existing portions of the constitution, what constitutional amendments would bring about a change on this issue?

            “impeachment”

            Impeachment of who and on what basis? How would impeachment impact the legality of same-gender marriage?

          • Oboehner

            Perhaps you should do some research before continuing on. Start with how Constitutional Amendments override court opinions.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “Perhaps you should do some research before continuing on.”

            That is something you need to do more than I. How about you start with how constitutional amendments may not contradict existing portions of the constitution.

            I’ll ask again:

            Once the SCOTUS has ruled, what opportunity will there be for judicial review?

            Impeachment of who and on what basis? How would impeachment impact the legality of same-gender marriage?

          • Oboehner

            Think checks and balances, are you really ignorant enough to believe the founding fathers would have placed so much power in the hands of a few? They gave us a Constitutional Republic, not an Oligarchy.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            I am aware of checks and balances.

            I’ll ask again:

            Once the SCOTUS has ruled, what opportunity will there be for judicial review?

            Impeachment of who and on what basis? How would impeachment impact the legality of same-gender marriage?

          • Oboehner

            It’s sad you have to ask such third-grade questions.
            Constitutional Amendments overrule court decisions.
            Impeaching the judge(s) that attempt to legislate can lead to an overturning of any “ruling”. For these laws that these activist judges keep striking down to have passed in the first place indicates a knowledge by a majority that mentally-challenged, deviant marriage should not occur.
            Legislative Branch Checks on the Judicial Branch:
            Congress can create lower courts
            Senate can reject nominees to the federal courts/Supreme Court
            Congress can amend the Constitution to overturn decisions of the Supreme Court Congress can impeach judges and remove them from the bench

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “Constitutional Amendments overrule court decisions.”

            Sometimes. If the amendment is contrary to existing parts of the constitution, it will not overrule court decisions. That is the case in this instance.

            “Impeaching the judge(s) that attempt to legislate can lead to an overturning of any “ruling”.”

            Since no judges are legislating regarding this issue, that would not be a basis for impeachment.Again, what would be the basis for impeachment and how would impeachment result in same-gender marriage rulings being overturned?

            “Congress can create lower courts”

            Yes, they can. How would Congress creating lower courts nullify the rulings on same-gender marriage?

            “Senate can reject nominees to the federal courts/Supreme Court”

            Yes, they can. How would future judicial nominee rejection affect the rulings on same-gender marriage that have already taken place?

            “It’s sad you have to ask such third-grade questions.”

            Even sadder that you can’t answer them.

          • Oboehner

            I have answered them, instead of whining, do some research of you own.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “I have answered them”

            No, you have not, as is clear by reading the thread above.

            “do some research of you own.”

            They are your claims. If you are too lazy, or unable, to provide proof, then so be it. I do not intend to spend any time attempting to prove what YOU said.

          • Oboehner

            If you are too lazy, or unable to do some research of you own, I’m not going to hold your hand. It would appear instead of knowledge, trolling is what you seek.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            They are your claims. If you can’t prove them, then you can’t. No worries.

          • Oboehner

            If you are too lazy, or unable to do some research of you own, I’m not going to hold your hand.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            I’m not asking you to hold my hand. You made claims. I asked you questions about the claims you made. If you can’t back them up your claims with facts, then you can’t. Nothing more complicated than that.

            To suggest that I should do research to prove the things YOU said, is cowardly. At least be man enough to back up what you say.

          • Oboehner

            If you can’t ascertain facts when presented, I think SpongeBob is on now.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            Once you present some facts that answer the questions posed, then we can make that determination.

            I am certainly not surprised that you know when Sponge Bob airs.

          • Oboehner

            What, you don’t need some kind of proof SpongeBob is on, you can actually see that for yourself?

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            Only if it’s the episode where you learned everything you know about constitutional amendments, judicial rulings, and impeachment. In that case I’d want to watch just for the comedic value.

            I’ll ask again:

            What would be the basis for impeachment and how would impeachment result in same-gender marriage rulings being overturned?

            How would Congress creating lower courts nullify the rulings on same-gender marriage?

            How would future judicial nominee rejection affect the rulings on same-gender marriage that have already taken place?

            Be sure to catch an episode of Sponge Bob before answering. You want to have the latest information.

          • James Grimes

            On this site, Gary’s opinion does mean something. Your, on the other hand, is meaningless.

          • pax2u

            yes Gary’s opinion does mean something on this site, Gary supports the hatred of the Westboro Baptist Church and agrees with a fascist General who was supported by anti Black and anti Jewish bigots, that is what Gary’s opinion means on this site

          • James Grimes

            You are a liar.

          • pax2u

            do you support Gary’s call for armed revolution, even the Bible liar Neiman/Fundisi is trying to talk Gary off of the ledge

          • James Grimes

            You are a liar.

          • pax2u

            and you are a sad and angry little “useless” little man, you are willing to embrace crazy hatred as long as it agrees with your crazy hatred

            I will continue to pray to my Christian God Jesus Christ for your eternal soul, amen

          • James Grimes

            You are still a liar.

          • pax2u

            and you are a sad little “useless” bigot

            I will continue to pray to my Christian God Jesus Christ for your eternal soul, amen

          • James Grimes

            I have no use for compulsive liars. Please don’t contact me again.

          • pax2u

            so sad that you must embrace hatred

            you are a sad little “useless” bigot

            I will continue to pray to my Christian God Jesus Christ for your eternal soul, amen

          • pax2u

            pax2u Gary • an hour ago

            so you would be willing to execute homosexuals?

            Gary pax2u • an hour ago

            Yes.

          • Gary

            If you mean General Smedley Butler, you show your ignorance. Butler was not a fascist. But showing your ignorance is about all you can do.

          • pax2u

            you are a very sad little person filled with hatred of Christians, embracing the hatred of the Westboro Baptists, and anti Semitic fascists

            you did get an up vote from your fellow hateful bigot, congrats on that

          • Gary

            I don’t hate Christians. My fellow Christians agree with me on most things. For instance, they agree that homosexuality is perversion, and that marriage is the union of a man and a woman.

          • pax2u

            Gary, poor sad Gary, your hatred is consuming you, your insecurity is not healthy, I will continue to pray to my Christian God, Jesus Christ for your eternal soul, amen

          • James Grimes

            Gary, a few of us who are active on this forum find this person to be really disgusting. His intellect is very limited and he makes no contribution to the topic at hand. Because of his limitations, he is only able to make incoherent insults. As a result, we want nothing to do with him.

          • pax2u

            the very few, the lunatic fringe

          • Gary

            I understand.

          • pax2u

            it is so very sad when the hateful bigots are exposed as anti Christians, you Gary, James Grimes and Nieman/Fundisi, you three define the lunatic fringe

          • Gary

            Go blow a priest.

          • pax2u

            your anger is consuming your soul

          • James Grimes

            Gary, this incoherent clown is upsetting you. Both of us, and others who are active here, know that everything he posts is a lie. It’s even worse when we can actually understand what he is trying to say. I think he copies and pastes most of his comments anyway. They are usually the same. Keep your sanity with him. Just ignore the fool.

          • Better AndBetter

            This site? Sure… the rest o the world? Not. When Gary’s “ideas” are shown relevance in court, then maybe.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “On this site, Gary’s opinion does mean something. ”

            What does it mean?

          • James Grimes

            Here’s an opportunity for you to do some thinking. Take advantage of it.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            So you can’t explain what Gary’s opinion means on this site. Got it.

          • James Grimes

            I’m glad you “got it.” The concept was simple.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “The concept was simple.”

            Yes. I asked you a question. You couldn’t answer it. Doesn’t get much more simple than that.

          • Jack

            “It is invalid because it is not supported by the US Constitution.”

            Because? Your rhetoric is a string of assertions but there’s no attempt on your part to show how you reach your conclusions.

            You are offering, over and over again, an opinion on a legal issue but you’ve made no attempt to offer a legal reason.

            Why is the court’s decision NOT supported by the US Constitution.

            “Invalid court rulings should not be honored.”

            There’s a procedure to be followed. Ignoring decisions that you don’t agree with is not the procedure.

    • thoughtsfromflorida

      “The judge who ruled that Alabama must allow ssm has not followed the Constitution”

      His ruling was based upon the federal constitution’s protections of equal treatment under the law. Her ruling, until overturned by a higher court, is indeed valid.

      “Judge Moore is correct to ask the governor to ignore the federal court’s ruling.”

      Judge Moore’s suggestion that the governor ignore a federal court’s ruling has no legal basis and is extraordinary bad advice.

      • Gary

        It is bogus to say that the equal protection clause requires ssm to be legal. The judge probably knows that her ruling is not based on the Constitution. Then why would she make such a ruling? Either she just wants to support the sodomites, or she is following orders.

        • thoughtsfromflorida

          “It is bogus to say that the equal protection clause requires ssm to be legal. ”

          How is it “bogus”? Based upon what legal rationale?

          “The judge probably knows that her ruling is not based on the Constitution.”

          Considering the the ruling is completely based upon the constitution, it would appear that you are mistaken. You would benefit from reading the actual rulings prior to commenting on them. It will make your comments more well informed.

  • Better AndBetter

    Cool! He’ll get fired again… that’ll be groovy!

    Speaking of firing… Bryan Fischer has been FIRED from the AFA! Oh, how sweet it is!

    • Jeff Varney

      Keep showboating and we will see who will have the last laugh. Hint: it’s not you, me, or anyone else (especially here).

  • dumpster

    I’m curious to see the out come of this because usually judges decide favorably against other judges. Often saying that judges are immune to prosecution.

    • Better AndBetter

      Then why did Moore get fired in 2003?

      • dumpster

        Not sure, I was just saying because I was looking at a case earlier today where a case was thrown out on another judge. This other judge was having an affair with a lady that he was over seeing her child support case. It’s a long story, but if you comment back, I’ll look for it and post a link to that story/case.

  • Fundisi

    Surely it is the responsibility of any citizen, public or private to disobey and resist unjust laws. That is what our country was founded upon, resistance to tyranny, even if that tyranny, as it is today, at the hands of an out of control judiciary that has made itself into a super legislative branch of government, thinking itself superior to the other two branches of government. It is also time the states resisted this judicial tyranny and the tyranny of our current dictator-in-chief, Barak Hussein Obama.

    As to the Atheist, Christ hating Southern Poverty Law Center, their mission is to lead a Left Wing Juggernaut dedicated to the destruction of the Christian Church in America and the establishment of a jack booted socialist utopia.

    • Better AndBetter

      He tried to “disobey and resist unjust laws” before by refusing to follow court order in 2003. He got fired.

      It’s about to happen again. Just watch and see!

      • Fundisi

        BAB – Make no mistake, I know your anti-Christ side will win, God tells us it will happen, so I have no illusions on this matter. You may be right that Moore will suffer another defeat and you will be able to rejoice that another Christian will be all but silenced. But, also make no mistake that nothing will make it right or just or constitutional and no mistake that God will in the end judge everyone that rebels against Him, which latter thought gives me no pleasure.

        • Better AndBetter

          Okee dokee.

        • thoughtsfromflorida

          “which latter thought gives me no pleasure.”

          Are you referring to the second coming?

          • Fundisi

            “that God will in the end judge everyone that rebels against Him,”

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            Why are you concerned about God judging people who rebel against him? Have you rebelled?

          • Fundisi

            Yes I have and still do often, there is no one good, no not one, all have turned against God. Ah, but there is a blessed difference, by being born again in Christ, all of my sins past, present and future have been forgiven and when I fail, as all men fail, I have an advocate before the Father, Jesus Christ, Who cleanses me from all unrighteousness. If one does not accept Christ as their savior they are still in their sins and lost.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “by being born again in Christ, all of my sins past, present and future have been forgiven and when I fail, as all men fail, I have an advocate before the Father, Jesus Christ, Who cleanses me from all unrighteousness. ”

            So it doesn’t matter what you have done or what you do in the future, as long as you are “born again”, all is forgiven and you get an eternal life of bliss. Oh, and good works don’t count toward anything, so you shouldn’t feel any need to do them.

            No wonder Christianity is so popular. Such a deal!

            “If one does not accept Christ as their savior they are still in their sins and lost.”

            So you believe – that does not make it true. That’s why it’s called “faith” and not “fact”.

          • Fundisi

            1. Our Heavenly Father is not an absentee Father, He is ever working to conform me in to the image of Christ and work in me victory over sin in my life. If I resist He tender care, He is perfectly capable and interested through the circumstances of my life to bring about correction and discipline.

            2, Good works are what the Christian life is all about to the glory of God and when my heart is right they do product heavenly rewards and when my heart is not right in doing them, a loss of such rewards; while my salvation is as secure as only Jesus could make it secure and that is perfect security. If we arre not born again, good works avail us nothing as regards salvation, they only mitigate the suffering we will endure in hell.

            3. No it is fact, it is based on God’s Word and His Justice demands that we come to salvation on His terms, which is by faith in Christ and being converted to new life in Him and if you do not come to Him on those grounds, you will not gain eternal life and you will suffer everlasting punishment for your rejection of Christ.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “No it is fact”

            No, it is your belief that it is fact. You have chosen to believe that the Bible contains God’s word. There is no proof that is true. So, no, you cannot say with certainty that only those who have faith in Christ will gain eternal life. It is you choice to believe that it is true. Your choosing to believe it is true does not make it true. It makes it only what you have chosen to believe is true.

    • thoughtsfromflorida

      “unjust laws.”

      Who determines which laws are “unjust” and what criteria is used?

      “resistance to tyranny”

      What is tyrannical about the judiciary ruling that a law is unconstitutional?

      “dedicated to the destruction of the Christian Church in America and the establishment of a jack booted socialist utopia.”

      At least you didn’t resort to hyperbole and outright lies to make your point

  • SFBruce

    Roy Moore’s claim that states can ignore federal court orders is simply wrong. He made the same claim in 2002; he lost at the district court, the 11th circuit, and the Supreme Court, and he ultimately lost his job.

    • Gary

      Federal courts are required to make rulings in accord with the Constitution. If they keep making rulings that are not in line with the Constitution, then eventually, there will be a revolution. We are not going to be abused continually by judges who do not care what the Constitution says

      • Better AndBetter

        Yet, you cannot tell us how the ruling in Alabama was unconstitutional.

        That’s neat!

        • Gary

          I told you. Apparently you lack the mental skills to understand.

      • Fundisi

        Gary there will be no revolution until Christ returns, the Bible tells us that for a season Satan will gain complete control over this world, we Christians can resist this tyranny to be sure, but IMO nothing in the New Testament or life of Christ will ever justify violence, no armed revolution.

        • thoughtsfromflorida

          Why would you want to resist it? Since Christians are so looking forward to the second coming, wouldn’t it make sense to support things that hasten that event?

          • Fundisi

            No it wouldn’t!

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            Why not?

          • Fundisi

            It is not for us to try and hasten His coming, we leave everything in God’s Hand and trust in Him.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            Then why are you fighting what is happening? If everything is in God’s hands, the apparently this is what God wants to happen.

      • pax2u

        Gary maybe you should move to a country that shares your intolerance like Iran or North Korea

        • Gary

          Since you are Catholic, I am not surprised by your support of homosexuals. If it weren’t for homosexuals, it would be hard to find a catholic priest.

          • pax2u

            since you are a baptist and agree with the hatred of the Westboro Baptist Church and the hatred of anti Jewish fascists I will pray for your eternal soul, in the name of my Christian God Jesus Christ, amen

          • Gary

            Jesus is not your God. If He was, you would not be catholic, or support homosexuals or lie about people.

          • pax2u

            I am sorry but I worship the Christian God Jesus Christ and you are not God, even if that little voice in your head tells you that you are.

          • Gary

            You are a liar. You are a repugnant little catholic pervert.

          • pax2u

            poor sad Gary, I will continue to pray to my Christian God Jesus Christ for your eternal soul, amen

          • Gary

            Work your beads. Jesus won’t hear you.

          • pax2u

            I will continue to pray for you Gary
            you have my pity
            I pray that my Christian God, Jesus Christ will forgive you your hatred and anger, amen

          • The Last Trump

            “Work your beads”! Ha! Too funny! Almost spit out my coffee!
            Nice. I’m really going to have to steal that line! 🙂

      • James Grimes

        Gary, the incoherent one thinks you should move. The joke for the day…?

        • pax2u

          to Westboro Kansas, to be with the Fred Phelps family?

      • thoughtsfromflorida

        “We are not going to be abused continually ”

        In what way are you being “abused”?

        • Gary

          We are being abused by court rulings that are unconstitutional. There is no constitutional reason for federal judges to overturn state laws that restrict marriages to a man and a woman. When the judges lie and claim the constitution requires ssm to be legal, that is an abuse of their office and a violation of their oath.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “We are being abused”

            How are you being abused? What abuse are you suffering?

          • Gary

            When the courts make bad decisions that promote evil and contradict good, and those decisions are regarded as law, then that is an abuse of their office and it puts citizens at risk of prosecution if we don’t comport with the bad rulings.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “We are being abused by court rulings”

            I’ll ask again: How are you being personally abused? What abuse are you personally suffering?

            “puts citizens at risk of prosecution if we don’t comport with the bad rulings.”

            What prosecution do you risk by a ruling that strikes down laws which have the effect of banning two citizens of the same gender from entering into the legal contract of marriage?

          • Gary

            Ruling that ssm must be legal is immoral, and a violation of the oath a judge takes when they become a judge. Judges who willfully violate their oath are dangerous to the citizens they are supposed to serve. Ruling that ssm must be legal perverts the law and society. It calls evil good and good evil. Apparently you don’t see that as an abuse of the citizens, but many of us do.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “a violation of the oath a judge takes when they become a judge. ”

            What part of a judge’s oath – specifically – is being violated?

            “Ruling that ssm must be legal perverts the law and society.”

            What is your legal basis for stating that striking down laws which restrict marriage based upon the gender of the two citizens seeking the license “perverts” the law?

            Society is made up of individuals. Those individuals are free to choose how they behave. A ruling cannot “pervert” society.

            “It calls evil good and good evil.”

            The ruling says nothing of the kind. What one believes to be evil and what one chooses to believe is good are based upon the individual and their belief system. No ruling changes what you view as being evil or good.

            “Apparently you don’t see that as an abuse of the citizens, but many of us do.”

            So basically you are saying that when a judge rules in a way you don’t agree with, you view that as you being “abused”. So then do you have any concern when a judge rules in a way that you agree with but others don’t, that the others are being “abused”? Or is that OK?

          • Jack

            “There is no constitutional reason for federal judges to overturn state laws that restrict marriages to a man and a woman. ”

            It’s fairly clear that the courts think you are wrong.

            There’s no lie. So there’s no abuse or violation.

      • Jack

        Well, they can’t “keep” doing what they aren’t now doing and haven’t in the past been doing. But, were such a thing to happen, there are actually procedures that can be followed.

        It’s telling that your go-to is a call for violence.

  • Paper St. Soap Co.

    Moore sounds a lot like the segregationists in the 40s, 50s and 60s when courts started ruling in favor of blacks. And it makes sense, as Moore and his side are using the same Jesus justification for their hatred.

    • James Grimes

      Actually, he doesn’t. He sounds like a man of principle. This country would be better off if we had more public figures like him. What we don’t need are more Atheists.

      • dark477

        He can talk about his “principles” when he’s fired again.

      • James Grimes

        Being a nuisance comes naturally to dark477 or whatever his name is. He has made it a craft.

        • pax2u

          now you are posting to yourself again, do you up vote your self also?

        • pax2u

          are you posting to yourself again? do you answer your own posts?

      • Paper St. Soap Co.

        No, he sounds like a segregationist back in the day.
        I’d invite you to look up some quotes and opinions of Moore’s spiritual ancestors but I’m pretty sure you won’t. Zeus forbid you trace the genealogy of your prejudices.

        • James Grimes

          Wow, another Atheist opinion. There are just so many of these on this forum… 🙁

          • Paper St. Soap Co.

            Look up Loving v Virginia and you’ll notice…
            Chuckle. Like you clowns are going to do any real research.
            Here’s what happened last time christians decided to dictate who can and cannot marry as per their book.

            Richard Loving, a white man, and Mildred Jeter, a black woman, married in Washington, D.C. Then moved to Virginia where they were arrested for a felony.
            (In all honesty it’s probably good it wasn’t a black man marrying a white woman. The case wouldn’t have gotten to trial. Would it?)
            Anyways Judge Leon Bazile, before he told them to leave the state or else face jail time, preached The Good Book at ’em!
            “Almighty God created the races white, black, yellow, malay and red, and he placed them on separate continents. And but for the interference with his arrangement there would be no cause for such marriages. The fact that he separated the races shows that he did not intend for the races to mix.”

            Sounds kinda familiar, eh?

            I will display some bad taste and point out here it wasn’t your god or any other which declared miscegenation laws unconstitutional but rather federal judges. I’ll also point out lotsa godboys, including Falwell, jumped all over the decision with dire warnings of God’s Wrath and the like.

            Again, plus ça change, plus c’est la même chose. Y’all ain’t changing at all, just the object of your hate.

          • Gary

            Do you believe there should be any legal qualifications for marriage? If you do, what are they, and why should they be required?

          • Paper St. Soap Co.

            Huh? Aside from consenting adults?
            What else is there?

          • Gary

            Well, there is currently the requirement that you cannot already be married in order to legally marry. There is the requirement that you cannot be close kin. Why should those requirements be retained, or removed?

          • James Grimes

            Atheists” opinions on this site have no value. What don’t you clowns understand?

          • Paper St. Soap Co.

            Opinion? I posted facts.

            Pretty lame evasion, though I understand why you want to avoid those facts. It’s easier to be cowardly than honest, and we see you opt for the former rather than the latter.
            What a *yawn* big surprise that is.

  • Faithwalker

    Take note:

    The Lord told us the following: the Lord is true to His word from the beginning, to the present, and to the very end….stay encouraged!!

    Proverbs 29:27
    The righteous detest the dishonest; the wicked detest the upright.

    Mark 13:12-13 “Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; and children will rise up against parents and have them put to death. 13″You will be hated by all because of My name, but the one who endures to the end, he will be saved.

    John 15:19
    If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you.

  • Faithwalker

    The Southern Poverty Law Center was an advocate for the black civil rights struggle in the 50s and 60s, which btw was birthed from a Christian perspective. I wonder if the civil rights struggle would have been classified by the SPLC as a “hate group” today?

    • dark477

      Er no it wouldn’t.

      • pax2u

        poor Jimmy misses his good ole days when blacks, Jews and Catholics knew their place and stayed in the back of the bus

    • James Grimes

      According to their standards, probably yes.

      • Faithwalker

        James I agree with you.

        • dark477

          and what makes you think that?

          • Faithwalker

            It’s pretty evident, certain segements of society have developed a zero tolerance toward biblical Christian world view principles to be espoused in the public domain.

          • dark477

            No just when they use the government to enforce those principles.

    • thoughtsfromflorida

      What would be the basis for labeling a group that had the goal to increase civil rights result in a “hate group” label?

      • Faithwalker

        my post did not imply that the SPLC was labeled as a “hate group.” Re-read the post again.

        • thoughtsfromflorida

          You are correct. My apologies. On what basis would you wonder if the SPLC would label the civil rights struggle as a “hate group”?

  • Dr. Gary Almodovar

    This judge has a lot of courage and wisdom may the Lord protect him and lead him into more truth.

    • James Grimes

      Absolutely. Thanks for your encouragement.

  • William Tyndale

    The SPLC, PP and a host of other radical left organizations operating with impunity in the US are directly inspired and controlled by Satan and his demons and all true Christians (for all non-Christians are atheists in the classic orthodox sense) must take up the mantle thrown down by them and engage them in the spiritual warfare God calls us to in his holy word, the Bible. Onward Christian Soldiers.

  • Linda

    One man one woman if they want the devils way tell them to go to another planet this gets sicker and sicker. Make away Lord for this judge have the people over there get out on the streets and speak for Gods sakes.

  • Derek

    The Southern Poverty Law Center is a very well respected institution. They are the national authority that is used by the FBI and other law enforcement to help identify hate groups. It is not a partisan group, it is not anti Christian, they are pro Constitution and pro law. There are some groups that identify themselves as Christian organizations that are seen as hate groups or even domestic terrorist.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    May God protect him. America needs godly Christian leaders who are courageous and truth-speaking like he is.

    • Gary

      There are very few of those. Not enough to change things. That is one of the reasons America is in such a mess.

  • thoughtsfromflorida

    No surprise. Advising the state to not follow the ruling of a federal judge violates the ethical requirements.

    • Gary

      Are there ethical requirements that are supposed to prevent federal judges from lying about the US Constitution? If there are, they are not being enforced.

      • thoughtsfromflorida

        What lies are federal judges telling about the constitution?

  • hangman

    This group hated everyone…They are the ultimate hate group in the United States…