Granddaughter of TBN Founder Claims She Was Threatened With Gun to Keep Silent About Finances

TBNSANTA ANA, Calif. — The granddaughter of the late Trinity Broadcasting Network (TBN) Founder Paul Crouch has filed a lawsuit in federal court, alleging that her uncle Matt Crouch, who now serves as vice president of programming at the network, threatened her with a gun after she was fired for speaking against what she believed was the improper handling of finances.

Brittany Koper, the daughter of Paul Crouch, Jr., had been promoted to the office of Chief Financial Officer (CFO) of TBN in July 2011, and a month later was also appointed the corporate treasurer. But Koper says that soon after accepting the position and becoming familiar with the use of the organization’s finances, she realized she that something was terribly wrong.

“Koper learned through specific instructions from Defendant Trinity Broadcasting, Defendant Jan Crouch, Defendant Matthew Crouch, and Defendant John Casoria that the requirements of Plaintiff Brittany Koper’s new job included active participation in numerous illegal schemes that were disclosed to Plaintiff Brittany Koper following her promotion,” her husband Michael wrote in a new lawsuit filed on Jan. 29.

Koper filed her first legal complaint in 2012, claiming donations were being used by TBN officials for personal pleasure and that her job was to “find ways to label extravagant personal spending as ministry expenses.”

“The nature of these illegal activities involved the systematic diversion of Defendant Trinity Broadcasting’s charitable assets through unlawful distributions to Defendant Trinity Broadcasting’s directors through numerous channels,” the latest suit continues. “The magnitude of these unlawful and related financial schemes uncovered by or disclosed to Plaintiff Brittany Koper is on the order of $100 million.”

Koper says that she spoke to TBN officials—her family members—about her concerns and urged proper reporting and handling of finances, refusing to participate in the schemes. Two months after accepting the position of CFO, she and her husband and father were all fired.

But Koper states that during a meeting about the matter, her uncle, Matthew Crouch, threatened her with a gun.

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“When questioned about the termination, Defendant Matthew Crouch began tapping the firearm he had brought to the meeting and asked Plaintiff Brittany Koper what she thought would happen when she wrote a memo to the board critical of Defendant Matthew Crouch’s financial improprieties,” her lawsuit alleges. “Defendant Matthew Crouch continued tapping the gun he was holding to ensure that Plaintiff Brittany Koper recognized the lethal threat being made.”

“Matthew Crouch threatening Plaintiff Michael Koper and Plaintiff Brittany Koper with a loaded gun put them in fear that Defendant Matthew Crouch would physically harm them,” it outlines.

Although Koper first filed suit against TBN in 2012, her new lawsuit now claims that the confidential communications that she had with officials during that meeting were recorded, manipulated by editing and disclosed without her consent.

Attorneys for TBN have claimed in the past that it was instead Koper who committed wrongdoing, as she had allegedly taken $1.3 million from the network, but returned $500,000. Koper has acknowledged that she took out loans from TBN, but with permission, and had worked out a repayment schedule.

“They’re just trying to divert attention from their own crimes,” attorney Cody May told reporters in 2012, denying that the Crouch family had committed any wrongdoing in the handling of network finances. He instead asserted that the ministry has a “track record of sound financial and personal integrity by TBN and its founders.”

A jury trial has been requested in the matter. The late Paul Crouch once stated during a broadcast with his son, Matt, “God help anyone who would try to get in the way of TBN, which was God’s plan. I have attended the funerals of at least two people who tried.”


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  • Badkey

    TBN becoming history would be awesome.

    • GibbyD

      needs reformation , not elimination . Exclude the prosperity preachers and include more doctrinal sound Biblical preaching . They also need more people like Joni Tada , Jack Van Impe , James Robison , Dr. Walter Martin , Ray Comfort , Ken Ham , David Jeremiah and http://www.carm.org

      • G-Man Nicholl

        At one time, the had a few shows that were biblically sound but the “prosperity” gig generates such large sums of money with all those “fifty dollar seeds” fleeced from people who are least able to afford it that, evidently, scripturally sound programming wasn’t seen as viable . Really sad. I cannot stand to watch TBN these days- they’ve really gone off the deep end into the money pit.

        • GibbyD

          That’s right . You have to do some searching to get some good preaching . I have not had TV for 12 years so unless i am visiting someone with cable , I never see what’t on TBN. I had to decide for either a high speed internet connection or cable and the junk that’s on it . Easy choice .

        • wandakate

          You don’t have a mega-church or a huge television ministry by telling people biblically sound things or truth. People want fables, this is the last days, they want what their itching ears want to hear and that’s what makes them happy and gives them a better nites sleep. They want to be comforted, even when it’s all a big fat lie. I never knew them to be biblically sound. Jan all across the stage with her pink hair and fancy jewelry and clothes is usually what you notice. Paul passed on and left her a literal fortune. How many houses (mansions) do they own? I watched them some years ago but when the LORD opened my eyes to the truth, I saw them no more. That’s terrible that Matt pulled a gun on her and threatened her to not tell the truth. Oh my, that’s getting bad. They do have some accounting to do before the LORD. But many ministries are in the same boat and they also have to face the LORD on judgment day.

      • wandakate

        WHAT??? That list sure needs some revising. Oh gosh, you need to seriously read up on some of these people. You’re more deceived than you realize.

        • GibbyD

          God became incarnate in the person of THE LORD Jesus Christ. The LORD Jesus lived a perfect life. The LORD Jesus was fully Man and Fully God. The LORD Jesus bore our sins in His own body while on the cross of Calvary. The LORD Jesus arose from the dead and ascended into Heaven. He has gone away to prepare a place and then come again to receive unto Himself all those that are His through, ” ..repentance toward God and faith toward The LORD Jesus Christ.” ( Acts 20:21; Acts 16:31; John 3:3; I Peter 1:23; 2 Corinthians 5:17; Philippians 1:6; Ephesians 2:8,9; John 4:24; I John 4:7,8; John 1:1-14)KJB

          “And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. 13And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. 15And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.” ( Revelation 20:11-15)KJB.

          Wanakate, what are you trusting in ? If you acknowledge that you are a lost sinner and deserving only of burning on fire forever in Hell and if you have then, because of that knowledge and confession , have repented TOWARD GOD (HOLY LOVE) and have placed your faith and trust ONLY toward The LORD Jesus Christ( God incarnate) , you can be saved. If you are trusting in anything else but the Holy shed Blood of The LORD Jesus Christ that was poured out over 2000 years ago, you will remain in your sins and lost forever. Jesus said , ” Ye MUST be born again ” ( John 3:3; I Peter 1:23)KJB.

          • GibbyD

            Afterwards, Christ shall return WITH HIS SAINTS and set foot again on the Mount of Olives and begin a literal 1000 year reign on Earth. Those that were caught up with Him that met Him in the air will return with Him and reign with Him during those 1000 years. There will be another judgement when death and Hell will be cast into the lake of fire . Those that end up there will include the Anti-Christ, false prophet and the devil . Sadly it will also include those that rejected God’s grace and salvation. After that judgement God will make a new heaven and new earth.

          • wandakate

            I am in agreement with all of that and I wrote about that in one of my books, but it seems that you are implying that I am going to be rejected because you think I have not accepted GOD’s grace and salvation. I believe we are saved by grace and that we will as the scriptures tell us be judged by our works/deeds. I was first baptized at 12, fell away (backslid) for many years and was re-baptized and re-dedicated my life to the LORD when I was older and knew fully what I was doing. I have counted the cost of my redemption and salvation. I don’t understand what has given you these ideals as it seems you are judging me, but that could be my interpretation, and not your intentions.

          • GibbyD

            I asked you what you were trusting in. Instead of saying that you have repented toward God and are trusting in Christ alone and in His shed blood , you when into some detail about everything that YOU are doing instead of what The LORD Jesus has done. There were allot of I , I , I in your response.

            “8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9NOT of works, lest any man should boast.” ( Ephesians 2:8,9)KJB. It sounded to me that you were boasting in your achievements instead of exalting and boasting in the only One that is worthy of such.

            “But we are all as an unclean thing, and ALL our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.” ( Isaiah 64:6)KJB.

            — The reason a genuine born again Christian does anything for God is not so that He can become or stay a Christian but because he or she is a Christian. We enter believer’s water baptism because we ARE Christians , not in order to become Christians. Trusting in water baptism as something that is needed for salvation from hell, is a false doctrine taught by The Roman Catholic religion , The Church of Christ and a few other organizations claiming to represent the the church. ” He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.” ( Mark 16:16)KJB. Many things could be added to this verse in reference to good things that a Christian should be doing but only one is needed for salvation. It would also be true to say , “He that believeth and is baptized and goes to church at every meeting and gives all his money to the poor and only roots for the Steelers, shall be saved.” This is a true statement but everything AFTER “believeth” , is not needed for salvation. The kind of believing that is needed though is the kind that is from the heart. This is why Romans 6:17 says that we should, “…… OBEY from the heart that form of doctrine ( The Gospel) delivered unto us.. ”

            I do hope you are trusting in Christ alone for your salvation and because of that have experienced The New Birth. It is only after being born again that we can and will be doing those good works that God The Father will be pleased with. God wants us to know that it is He alone that paid for our salvation by His amazing awesome and wonderful work at Calvary. Serve Him, not in order to become or earn your salvation, but rather because HE , THE LORD JESUS , paid it all for us. He has saved us and we cannot save ourselves. I too can give a list of things done for The LORD that have occurred since that day I was saved 34 years ago but that would sound like boasting and stealing glory from The ONLY ONE that deserved ALL the glory , honor and praise. If we only knew the full extent of what Jesus suffered because of His great love , we would fall to our faces and NEVER brag or boast as if we had any part of earning or deserving all that He has done for us . We should instead say we are unprofitable servants and have only done what is expected as His servants .

            “So likewise ye, when ye shall have done all those things which are commanded you, say, We are unprofitable servants: we have done that which was our duty to do.”(Luke 17:10)KJB

          • wandakate

            Appreciate you saying all the things that you thought I should say that I didn’t say. Of course I understand that I can do nothing without Him. I depend daily on the HOLY SPIRIT to lead me and guide me into all understanding and truth. I am fine, and I used I a lot because I was talking about myself. SO again I understand that all things come from what He has done, it’s all about Him and not about me. I do believe that our works/deeds are a manifestation of the fact that we are already saved and that we don’t work in order to be saved. So that is enough now, and you have made your point and thank you but we don’t need to carry it on. We must not sound holier than thou. So, I would like to leave it where it is and thank you for your concern and I realize that we are not to boast or brag on ourselves but on what He has done for us of which I am eternally grateful.

          • GibbyD

            thanks for the clarification . God bless . The LORD Is GOOD !

          • lynn

            That is very true. I believe all my seemingly good works are as filthy rags before a Holy God unless He is in them. And then He is due ALL the glory. I have to say one more thing. When Jesus saved my soul, it wasn’t because I just accepted Him. It goes something like this. I heard the gospel by both preaching and witnessing. It was actually an old womans witnessing to me that God used to convict my heart. I realized I was a lost sinner inneed of a Savior. I began to repent asking Jesus to save me. In Gods time and at the place He chose, Jesus gave the faith to truly believe that He died and was ressurected for me. He saved this old boys soul 57 years ago. But the point is, I didn’t just accept Him. I surrendered to Him.

          • GibbyD

            Thank you for you word of testimony of what The LORD had done in your heart and life. God bless you.

          • wandakate

            I have a question…What on earth did I say in my few lines to you to lead you to write all of this to me ( a mini-sermon)? I am trusting in the LORD JESUS, and not in any of these false money grabbing preachers. I have been saved for years, have been baptized down into the water and have been to many seminars and written 4 books about things pertaining to the LORD. I witness and testify whenever the opportunity presents itself to me and I give to whomever is in need also when I have that opportunity. So, I am just wondering what on earth prompted you to write all of that to me? Every night I say my prayers for forgiveness of my sins and trespasses and pray during the day, thank GOD for my food and am always writing comments on these post trying to reach lost souls for the Kingdom of GOD with words that might help them. But I believe in the truth of the word and not all the watered down gospel that we are hearing today…

      • Joe Dokes

        Reform is impossible, and has been since the ’80s.

        The last time TBN had any semblance of biblical fidelity was the last time they had the original (and only) Bible Answer Man on the air, the late Walter Martin. On air, he got too close to the problems that had begun to manifest themselves at TBN and was never invited back. Later, Dave Hunt and others tried to (and I think actually did) meet with Crouch but to no avail…greed and lust for power had taken over and TBN was soon allowing any teaching that would generate revenue. The point of no return was when Crouch screamed into the camera, “I REFUSE to listen [to critics] any longer…” It’s only gotten worse since.

        Given their doctrinal history and obvious love of money, I cannot doubt ANYTHING I hear reported about TBN.

  • Laura Marie

    Not really shocked………….sad that some TV ministries are truly that corrupt who claim to be doing God’s work…………

  • BeckyJ

    If it’s true, good for her. Not many Biblical Churches around these days.

  • Roxanne Ask Me Will YOU

    Well my father told me IT ALL COMES OUT IN THE WASH
    Mr Paul is Dead- i ask me .. how is that working for you Now Sir ?

    • alnga

      Mr Paul may not have had a real hand in this he was suffering from extreme dementia for a few years.

  • TheBBP

    TBN is as “Christian” as the Mormon Church. There is an incredible amount of heretical teaching going on there. The time will come when they will have to answer for their heresy and they will wish that money scandals were the only problems that they had.

    • Gail Petersen

      I would trust the Mormon church before TBN…although both will have a lot to answer for but will have no excuse.

    • M Diaz

      it makes sense that there are many interpretations of the bible, since there are over 38,000 christian denominations.
      i just don’t get it, God can do anything he wants, he created the universe, so he can just as easily show everyone he is God
      I wonder if God is playing favorites, and i am so lucky i am one of them

    • wandakate

      Anybody that can’t see that’s all about the almighty dollar is blinder than blind…And Jan Crouch with her pink hair, she looks like some kind of wax doll or something. All that makeup and jewelry and clothes that cost a fortune, and she lives in a mansion to top all that off. They own the Holyland Experience in Orlando, Fl. I have had bad feelings about them from the beginning. People send in their money and this is what happens to it.

  • Linda

    Let justice be done Lord.

  • Koffa0319

    The love of money, is surely the root of all evil. Only a fool would believe that all these mega churches are actually reporting every dollar of tithe, offerings, etc., accordingly. HELL WILL BE A FULL HOUSE FOR SURE AND IN A SURPRISING WAY TOO.

    • wandakate

      Of course they love their money, they count thousands of it everyday. People are fools to give to these television ministries and not really know what’s happening to their money. Hell will accommodate all of these people. The good LORD knew they would be there because of their sins and their greed.
      Investigate just about any mega church and any television ministry and you will gather a lot of surprising information I’m sure. Just show them the money! JESUS said that the ones in the Kingdom of GOD will be the ones to did the will of the FATHER, not their own evil will. Their sins will find them out. They may live extravagant lives now but the first will be last, and then the last will be first in the end. They are deceiving themselves and scripture says the blind will lead the blind and both will fall into the ditch…

  • http://www.washingtondcevangelists.com Washington DC Evangelists

    O Lord, why does the way of the wicked prosper? Why do all who are treacherous thrive? You plant them, and they take root; they grow and produce fruit; you are near in their mouth and far from their heart. Pull them out like sheep for the slaughter, and set them apart for the day of slaughter. How long will the land mourn and the grass of every field wither? For the evil of those who dwell in it the beasts and the birds are swept away, because they said, “He will not see our latter end.” ~ select verses from Jeremiah 12 (ESV)

  • alnga

    When any organization get this large and is control by only one family you will have these things every time. If you want to be successful go with a no nepotism rule. Trust but verify each dime spent and where the money actually ends up. Daily audit is the best audit..

  • GibbyD

    TBN needs reformation , not elimination . Exclude the prosperity preachers and include more doctrinal sound Biblical preaching . They also need more people like Joni Tada , Jack Van Impe , James Robison , Dr. Walter Martin , Ray Comfort , Ken Ham , David Jeremiah and http://www.carm.org

    • John Mark IB

      well sadly Robison is hugely and has been compromised with emergent and contemplatives for a very long time and will fellowship with anyone which is just wrong , poor van impe has issues as well, and tries to appeal to the ecumenical catholics crowds, which is sad, and poor jeremiah too has given into the false teachers just do a search for yourself and look at the names of the guys he quotes, from with their corrupt and new age doctrines etc., so sad, it’s really very sad and amazing to think, that the ones we like, and to even think are immune from the last days, are indeed falling away and giving into the false emergent contemplative doctrines, and the contemporary so called churches of today, are fallen into doctrines of demons as well, see here and type in their name, to do a search, at lighthousetrailsresearch below, they have solid articles on the whole range of todays problem issues, and problem teachers/people, sorry but it’s true, even poor joni has fellowshipped with and uses the false teachers and doctrines etc., so sad, too many have just given into anything and just call it Christian as if that makes it all good, like Christian yoga?? oxymoronic, have a blessed day and week give them all true hope

      http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/
      give them solid Biblical hope http://faithsaves.net
      http://www.pillarandground.org/home/?page_id=36

      • GibbyD

        Breaking bread in communion and having fellowship with those in the Assembly of God’s people that you are gathered unto and in The Name of The LORD Jesus Christ with , is one thing. Working with and spending time with those you are trying, by God’s grace , to lead to The LORD for salvation, is another. John, I understand Biblical separation. The church assembly that I am in fellowship with has closed communion. You would not be accepted to break bread and come into fellowship with us until it is demonstrated that you are truly born again and not associated with any false doctrine or groups. For the purposes of evangelism and sharing the Gospel some professing brethren have worked with some that they do not totally agree with . Of the ones you rail on and speak evil of, I do not see in their life and ministry anything that would cause me to not consider them my brother and or sister in Christ. John, what do you belong to ? What are the principles for which you agree with and on what ground are you gathered with others in The Name of The LORD Jesus ?

        • John Mark IB

          Dear GibbyD,
          thanks for the interaction, and thanks for your perspective, and I didn’t mean to speak evil words as such, if I did, but I wouldn’t call it that, I’m maybe judging a bit and calling it from my perspective, as such I am my own worst, and harshest critic, at least I try to be, as we are told to examine ourselves whether we be in the faith, and I’m not an Assemblies of God if that’s what you meant? I am actually a former Fundamental Independent Baptist, and am now an Independent Baptist, who holds to the historic and separated Baptist faith, separated and totally apart from the Romanish and protestant and reformed branches/systems, that came out of the Roman system, no offense to those who are, but I have been thru the charismatic movement, and also attended for a bit a Messianic style worship, also a bit charismatic, too much so for myself, but the people were great, and even went to the very much too contemporary First Baptist Church, and did go to a liberal First United Methodist Church, so I’ve been searching and wasting His time I believe but now have solid doctrines and food from teachers who as I will show you I actually like your closed communion if it’s indeed Biblically instituted correctly, I stand on those same principles and with these men, Dr. Thomas Strouse of Cromwell CT check out his teachings if you desire very solid man of truth excellent knows the historic original languages and teaches from them as well, see his free sermons and free literature very helpful and informative I wish I lived near by so I could attend their seminary and Church
          http://bbc-cromwell.org/
          and here is the kind of separation I stand with, which is to be a Biblical as possible and true to The Word and The LORD as possible, hope this helps

          http://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com/search?q=separation

          and believe in obviously we can’t have fellowship with darkness, and so Pastor Kent Brandenburg is one I also wish I could live near and attend as well ha ha see here
          http://www.pillarandground.org/home/
          http://www.pillarandground.org/home/?page_id=36
          and here for separation
          just type it in to the search bar
          http://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com/

          https://jackhammer.wordpress.com/?s=separation

          these guys are very deep and solid and I’ll stick with them also on Fridays a guy named Thomas Ross writes on the blog, he is also thorough in the languages but up in Mukwonago WI see here his sermons or teachings very solid
          see Thomas Ross sermons and or teachings here and his super awesome site below called faith saves . net
          http://www.mukwonagobaptist.org/

          http://faithsaves.net/

          you may not agree with or like this but here is the stuff which I hold to,

          http://faithsaves.net/all-content/

          I just want to be Biblically correct and New Testament like in Churches etc., my issue is unfortunately in my local area there are no real Independent Baptist Churches like the ones listed above so I’m kind of in trouble, I don’t want to reveal too much but I was attending an IFB and the folks were great but it’s too much one 2, 3, easy repeat after me prayer and boom you’re saved with no change and it’s based upon sword of the Lord Curtiss Hutson and Sheldon Smith, which is ultimately based on Jack Hyles etc., if you know what I’m referring to? sadly, I’m in a hard spot right now needing a true church but my area is horribly weak, anyways, there are abundance of false teachers on the so called networks and too much false doctrine being taught as truth when it’s all garbage tickle the ears non sense!!
          and basically these I use to pass on the message as you see, let me wish you and yours a very blessed day night and week/weekend, and may The LORD bless you with love joy and peace always in Jesus name amen, here’s the hope I like to pass on
          only one life, twill soon be past,
          only what’s done for Christ will last!
          http://faithsaves.net
          http://www.pillarandground.org/home/?page_id=36
          http://discoverthebible.org

          • GibbyD

            Dear brother in Christ , and i believe I can call you that from what I have heard from you, thank you for your response and very thorough answer.
            I can relate very much with much of what you have revealed. I too have had a varied experience with different fellowships since my conversion in 1979. I attended a Mainline Denomination with my family until i was 10 years old. It’s founder was one the the great reformers but as with most of the other larger “Protestant” denominations , they have fallen away from the faith and morphed into a social Gospel and have become ecumenical as they and the other religious entities in the world continue to slide back into the great Whore of Revelation 17. After my conversion at the age of 19 I attended a reformed church under the preaching and instruction of John MacRae. He was the son of Dr. Allen MacRae who was the President and founder of Biblical Theological Seminary in Hatfield, Pennsylvania. Dr. MacRae was one of the translators of the NIV and that was the translation that they used. I believe that may have stunted my early growth in The LORD and down the road caused me confusion concerning The Bible.

          • GibbyD

            GibbyD John Mark IB • 3 minutes ago

            Thank you John for your reply and thorough answer. I had just typed a very long answer and with one touch of the wrong key stroke I have accidentally made it all disappear.
            To summarize all that I did write , let me just say that I can relate to much of what you have said. I attended a mainline denomination until i was 10 years old. The founder of which was one of the well known reformers that came out of Rome and for which the denomination is named. That denomination ,as well as most others, have fallen away from the faith and have morphed into more of a social gospel as they continue to slide back into Rome.

            I was saved in 1979 and began to attend a reformed church whose pastor was the son of Dr. Allen MacRae. MacRea was one of the translators of the NIV. I believe that early use of the NIV stunted my growth in The LORD. I learned allot from MacRae and even was directed to a good Bible College because of his influence. That college was where I was able to learn the basics concerning the Bible and theology.

            In about 1988 I came in contact with some graduates of The Pensacola Bible Institute and others who held to the belief that The King James Bible was the Word of God and could be trusted as The Final Authority from God for the English speaking people of the world. Before this time I also came into fellowship with those that are gathered unto and in The Name of The LORD Jesus Christ. Some people have identified and call them “Plymouth Brethren”. This assembly and my trust in The Authorized KJB , have helped me greatly with my relationship with The LORD. John Darby and Jim Elliot are two that would be considered as Plymouth Brethren. Dr. Peter S. Ruckman is one of the most well known advocates and writers concerning the KJB. I don’t agree with some of his teachings but I do appreciate his exaltation of The WORD of God and His preaching. I think he is about 93 years of age and is still preaching. I think I am one of the few in my church assembly ,and of those that we linked in fellowship with, that holds to this position concerning the Final Authority of The KJB. I really try not to be divisive or contentious about it because I recognize that this is what i believe and what I believe the LORD has shown me concerning His Word. I have had only a couple semesters of Koine Greek in school but it was enough to see that there is some value in learning the langues that The Bible was written in but that at some point I was going to have to trust some English Translation that I could place confidence in and stick with it. It is hard enough to try and memorize whole chapter of the Bible in one translation. I can’t imagine how anyone can use so many translations and then be able to memorize any one of them.

            No, as I have said , I am gathered with others unto and in The Name of The LORD Jesus Christ alone and we look to Him to lead us in the Assembly . When I say Assembly , I am not referring to that Charismatic Denomination. I am referring to the local church that meets on the grounds of The One Body as we look to Him. He has promised that where two or three are gathered together in His Name , that He would be there in our midst. We seek His preeminence and not man’s . Those brethren among us that are gifted and that labor in the Word and doctrine , will occupy more time in the meetings , teaching and preaching. It is not laid on one man or a few men that are delegated to minister. We believe in what is known as The Priesthood of all believes. There is no separation between “clergy” and so called ” laity”. While the woman remain silent , the men ,as they are led of God, use the gifts God has given.

            I see that it is getting late and I need to go to bed. LORD willing, I will continue later.

            God bless you brother and again thank you for your response and the information you sent.
            In God’s Grip, Gib P.S. I also often use that quote at the end of my messages as you have. I also like, ” Life is short, Death is sure. Sin the Cause, Christ The CURE “

          • John Mark IB

            Dear GibbyD,

            wow yeah nice long reply ha ha you must be part of my moms side of the family because she taught me how to be very talkative too ha ha just kidding wow that’s a lot to digest bu the main thing is this let’s just be Christ and Christ alone!! and amen to the final Authority yes I too am happy to say though I’m not a Ruckmanite per se, no offense and I’m not a big fan of one of his named riplinger but we’ll just leave that alone for now as you might not like D A Waite either, as for Ruckman yes, he is a great Teacher to be sure and so I will give credit where it’s due though I don’t agree with certain things etc., the anti KJV only crowd likes to throw labels at us and one of them is Ruckmanites, D A Waite does have a great group of articles and the deanburgonsociety.org, and his sermons on sermon audio .com are great defense and history of KJV etc., which has great stuff that defends the KJV and faith and so they have helped me out quite a bit and I have some of the guy named David Daniels from chick tract books, too he seems to be a supporter of the Riplinger/Ruckman folks but his books are very historically accurate and expose the gnostic and romanish Jesuits corruptions of the Word and infiltration of the bible societies but to be sure it’s not hard to learn and figure it out and realize, there is so much non sense and confusion even in so called first Baptist churches when they have all the latest garbage perversions and you’re like hey why does mine say this oh it’s all been rewritten with the Westcott and hort and nestle aland bible societies and gnostic Alexandrian Egyptian, texts gnostic false texts that many today love to attack and label and do all they can to hate on the KJV only position I too used to think man those KJV people are nuts but then after realizing there is a major difference not only in the beauty but the ease of memorization of the Psalma 23 for example of the KJV vs the grbage false texts of the Nivile perversion etc., and too many have exactly as you said it fallen away but why? because of doubting His Holy Preserved Promised Words from the Hebrew and Aramaic and Greek!! I wish I had some better knowledge like you do in the koine Greek of the Textus Receptus and such but with time and self training and help of Thomas Ross site at the faith saves. net he has college courses in the languages for free believe just click on the resources on the site here

            http://faithsaves.net/college-courses/

            you’ll probably understand it better than me, but definitely we want to be Biblical and like the proper New Testament Biblical etc., Churches in our worship to be sure I just wish I had a good solid Independent Baptist Church like the one of the 3 I told you of before, too bad we can’t find some way to privat chat if there is any way to that way we could speak more freely but suffice it say there be many here who like to attack and call names for our stance on the KJV, you should go see the many great defences by Kent Brandenburg on his site I gave you also his book Thou Shalt Keep Them is great, so yeah ok we’re almost on the same level at least we believe in His Preserved Words in the English as our final authority and have no doubts about it in our hands!! amen! well said, here, here, as the English would say jolly good show old chap!! good job!! nice long post ha ha sit down have some tea!! ha ha

            hey nice little quote to at the end too, ok but I think you showed me up good!! ha ha 🙂 now I have to steal your phrase and or find one to show you up ha ha jk 🙂 nice to be able to have kind fellowship for a change, with all the haters in the house, that troll in looking to create for themselves a more miserable friend than they are, themselves satan enjoys company in hell you know!!! ha ha jk 🙂

            I really do believe you’d love the literature section and seminary articles from Dr. Strouse at bbc-cromwell.org up in CT check them out in your reading time and you’ll be blessed he’s the man who taught the other 2 guys a bit Brandenburg and Thomas Ross of faithsaves.net, ok then sleep well in heavenly peace, and have a blessed day and weekend, thanks for the kind replies, and here you go let me try to make one up that’s Biblical!!

            Christ and Christ Alone shall always be, My Final Word and Final Authority!! ha ha just made that one up on the fly! 🙂 ha ha ,

            boo yah!!! your move!!! ha ha 🙂 jk

            see the articles and you’ll be blessed again as well oh and along with Ruckman, D A Waite too has to be like 90 something and still going wow what a blessing !!

            http://www.deanburgonsociety.org/

  • Carla Anne Kight

    I’ve known several elderly women who donated money to TBN before they paid any bills or bought groceries for themselves on top of paying tithes at their own church. I asked them did they really think TBN would miss their money. I told them that all those who work for TBN would not go without groceries in fact they live extremely luxurious lifestyles. Looks like I was right. I say it’s about time for all those involved to become responsible for manipulating the elderly & others out of money. And yes I’m a Christian.

    • TheBBP

      There is nothing wrong with tithing, even when budgets are tight, but people would be better off tithing to their local churches. Especially when you can see first-hand what local churches do for the community.

      • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

        Tithing is no where ordered in the NT.

        • wandakate

          Are you saying that the New Testament is all that matters? If you are then you have to wipe out an awful lot. What about the 10 commandments, don’t they count anymore? The entire bible matters, not just what’s in the NT.

          • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

            Christians are not under Old Testament Law. This is Bible 101. Tithing was old Law given to Israel not the Church.

          • wandakate

            The go ahead and feel free to break all of the 10 Commandments and do not put any money into the offering plate when it is passed in church, just keep it all for yourself, might as well spend it one something that you want right?????
            We do away with creation, the commandments and many many stories of old and things if we disregard the old testament. All 66 books are there because they all matter. If not then the old testament should have just been an old history book and the new testament should have been just a bible. Is that what you think?

          • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

            You do not understand the difference of Law and grace?

            Romans 3:31

            Do we then make void the law through faith? Certainly not! On the contrary, we establish the law.
            We are to give but not under the Law. We are free in Christ.

          • wandakate

            The LORD loves a cheerful giver. IF we are saved then we will want to work and do deeds for the coming Kingdom of GOD. We will want to show our faith with actions. Actions are louder than words. Our faith without our works is dead. We work b/c we are saved and not in order to be saved as salvation is a free gift from GOD, but we will be judged by our works…

      • wandakate

        Even then there is crooked stuff going on with that money in the back room where it’s counted. I don’t trust them…I want to know where my money is going. I want to see the result of it in a good light. Giving to people who are really poor and helping widows who need help or giving to orphans and knowing they are benefiting from it. I am a giver and have always given where there was a need but I am not a fool.

        • http://www.OpenAirSeattle.blogspot.com/ OpenAirSeattle

          I agree, but we are not under a tithe 10% law to give. Your free!

    • John Mark IB

      funny, just look at the elaborate golden chairs on their stage supposedly to simulate what heaven and all the gold in heaven?? hmmm??? or could it be that they’re laughing all the way to the bank at the expense of those gullible folks who support them, and or could it be the stage imagery represents the lifestyle they live behind the scenes?? good post, give them hope have a blessed day and week,
      http://faithsaves.net
      http://www.pillarandground.org/home/?page_id=36
      http://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com
      http://discoverthebible.org

  • PEB

    This is why The Lord led me to write this

  • PEB

    This is why The Lord led me to write this book

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

    What gives me hope is that our Lord foresaw these wolves and He warned us about them and He will deal with them appropriately:

    Matthew 7:15 “Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.”
    Matthew 7:21-23 “Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
    Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy
    name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many
    wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

    I pray for those who act as a 5th column, who seek to defile the name of Jesus, that they repent and come clean about what they have done in darkness. In Jesus’ name I pray, that all works of darkness are exposed to the light of day and that their works never bear fruit. AMEN

  • Gail Petersen

    Actually, I’m not surprised. When you have Paul Crouch, Benny Hinn, Jessie Duplantis, and many others who appear on TBN and they are all flashing satanic hand signs, what can we expect. Don’t take my word for it….do your own investigating as I did. All these men didn’t get wealthy by preaching the WORD. They swore their allegiance to satan who has taken very good care of them.

    • Kingsone

      Gail you are correct. There was a woman who claimed that she went to a satanic ritual that was held at a church in Long Beach, CA. The church was used as a cover and they held these rituals at night. She said it was a well-known pastor who broadcasted on TBN who was the high priest for these rituals. Some of these televangelists are frauds and really worship the adversary. I wouldn’t want to be them on judgement day. The Lord said that judgement will begin with the house of the Lord.

    • wandakate

      What about Kenneth Copeland and Rick Warren along with Joel Osteen, all mega-church pastors, all wealthy and just investigate as you said, and people will find out…Check out youtube and they listed all of the 2014 list of False Prophets…there were some on there that I didn’t expect to see.

  • William Tyndale

    TBN has always been the “wacko” branch of evangelical television ministry and thus this claim is certainly believable.

  • Sparky

    We will all stand before the Lord one day to give an account, He will judge.

    • wandakate

      Unless they confess their sins, repent of them and then finally forsake them and turn back to the LORD, they will by no means enter the Kingdom of GOD…They may be high and mighty now and first, but they will be lowly and last in the end.

  • Cindy Smith

    I pray this lawsuit is dropped. TBN reaches many people. The Muslim Brotherhood has a 100 year plan to take over the West (The Project) and impose Sharia law. Christians must stand together to maintain our wonderful Judeo Christian country.

  • Dawn Harris

    The multiple mansions, vacation homes, luxury vehicles, and all around lavish lifestyle should have been the FIRST clue that those running TBN were greedy and corrupt.

    • John Mark IB

      luxury vehicles would also include private jets too!! yippee got my riches in the here and now, so where their heart is, that’s where their treasure is and what shall it profit if they gain the world yet lose their soul?? how much will they sell their soul for?? and vice versa!! I used to want to win the lotto help out the church but now realize I’d rather be poor in money and rich in Christ rather than have that money and wealth destroy and change my life into a paranoid schizophrenic!!! only one life, twill soon be past, only what’s done for Christ will last!! here’s hope pass it on , and may GOD bless you with love joy and peace always in Jesus name amen!!

      http://faithsaves.net
      http://www.pillarandground.org/home/?page_id=36
      http://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com
      http://discoverthebible.org
      http://www.lighthousetrailsresearch.com/blog/

      • GibbyD

        Thank you John for your reply and thorough answer. I had just typed a very long answer and with one touch of the wrong key stroke I have accidentally made it all disappear.
        To summarize all that I did write , let me just say that I can relate to much of what you have said. I attended a mainline denomination until i was 10 years old. The founder of which was one of the well known reformers that came out of Rome and for which the denomination is named. That denomination ,as well as most others, have fallen away from the faith and have morphed into more of a social gospel as they continue to slide back into Rome.

        I was saved in 1979 and began to attend a reformed church whose pastor was the son of Dr. Allen MacRae. MacRea was one of the translators of the NIV. I believe that early use of the NIV stunted my growth in The LORD. I learned allot from MacRae and even was directed to a good Bible College because of his influence. That college was where I was able to learn the basics concerning the Bible and theology.

        In about 1988 I came in contact with some graduates of The Pensacola Bible Institute and others who held to the belief that The King James Bible was the Word of God and could be trusted as The Final Authority from God for the English speaking people of the world. Before this time I also came into fellowship with those that are gathered unto and in The Name of The LORD Jesus Christ. Some people have identified and call them “Plymouth Brethren”. This assembly and my trust in The Authorized KJB , have helped me greatly with my relationship with The LORD. John Darby and Jim Elliot are two that would be considered as Plymouth Brethren. Dr. Peter S. Ruckman is one of the most well known advocates and writers concerning the KJB. I don’t agree with some of his teachings but I do appreciate his exaltation of The WORD of God and His preaching. I think he is about 93 years of age and is still preaching. I think I am one of the few in my church assembly ,and of those that we linked in fellowship with, that holds to this position concerning the Final Authority of The KJB. I really try not to be divisive or contentious about it because I recognize that this is what i believe and what I believe the LORD has shown me concerning His Word. I have had only a couple semesters of Koine Greek in school but it was enough to see that there is some value in learning the langues that The Bible was written in but that at some point I was going to have to trust some English Translation that I could place confidence in and stick with it. It is hard enough to try and memorize whole chapter of the Bible in one translation. I can’t imagine how anyone can use so many translations and then be able to memorize any one of them.

        No, as I have said , I am gathered with others unto and in The Name of The LORD Jesus Christ alone and we look to Him to lead us in the Assembly . When I say Assembly , I am not referring to that Charismatic Denomination. I am referring to the local church that meets on the grounds of The One Body as we look to Him. He has promised that where two or three are gathered together in His Name , that He would be there in our midst. We seek His preeminence and not man’s . Those brethren among us that are gifted and that labor in the Word and doctrine , will occupy more time in the meetings , teaching and preaching. It is not laid on one man or a few men that are delegated to minister. We believe in what is known as The Priesthood of all believes. There is no separation between “clergy” and so called ” laity”. While the woman remain silent , the men ,as they are led of God, use the gifts God has given.

        I see that it is getting late and I need to go to bed. LORD willing, I will continue later.

        God bless you brother and again thank you for your response and the information you sent.
        In God’s Grip, Gib P.S. I also often use that quote at the end of my messages as you have. I also like, ” Life is short, Death is sure. Sin the Cause, Christ The CURE “

        • John Mark IB

          Dear Brother GibbyD,

          I too think I must’ve messed up and hit the wrong button and sent or I thought I sent you a reply already sorry if it seems like I didn’t, anyways, wow that’s pretty interesting stuff for sure, I had a bit of hell fire and brimstone exposure to my baby sitter “granny’s” son, she was just like granny on “Beverly hillbillies”, and this too was in the 70’s, problem was I got baptized just because my buddy did so it was like oh well he did it I want to do that too kind of thing, long story short I was into rock n roll which was the gateway to allow satan to get me involved into all kinds of stuff and we moved to a new area away from my elementary school friends and stuff so that kind of hurt a bit, but I never really had any Christian upbringing at all had a broken family, and so went thru the depressed turbulent teenage years only cared about rock n roll and stuff that went along with it, etc, only later when I got married did I begin a spiritual journey after being unfaithful etc., not happy to admit but the truth is ugly but He makes it all clean and pretty again!! amen!!?

          problem is I got involved in to some of the charismatic Assemblies of GOD and the first united Methodist church too at the same time I had not real discipleship no mentor really so it was on the job training and I had the KJV New Testament given to me back in 1974 which I tried but couldn’t get past the begats and then just kept trying and finally got it , but had issues about forcing preaching to a girl on my job and so felt shot down and just without guidance and I struggled, I’ve been thru stupidities of legalism beating myself mentally for not being perfect etc., not really understanding my position in Christ as His perfection etc., struggled with the burden of sin on my back kind of like the Pilgrim’s progress of John Bunyan a great read!! I also went thru a period of first Baptist church again and then faded away for whatever reason, and went to messianic Jewish services which the people were awesome but it’s a bit too charismatic as well and I was going against Scripture and trying to be more like Jewish than just being a Christian etc., so not long ago I somehow found an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church in the area and started going for a bit rededicated myself and got on fire for door to door they called it soul winning every week I thought man this is great exactly what I needed and what we the true Church is supposed to be doing!! and since we’re like the only ones besides the false Jehovah’s witnesses, all over they’re like cockroaches and red ants or termites!! ha ha so sad!! man they’re everywhere so sad

          satan has his minions pimping the false gospel!! but I just began to read, uh oh danger will robbins!! ha ha and realize the gospel they push is the easy 1,2,3, pray after me, simple so called “sinners prayer” and call it a profession for Christ? with no outward change etc.?? and they also followed the sword of the lord guys like Curtiss Hutson and Sheldon Smith who redefine repentance and stuff, so I kind of am a recovering Fundamentalist who is actually a KJV Bible Believing Independent Baptist who believes In the New Testament local Church etc. and go along with the 3 guys I listed as Dr. Thomas Strouse and Thomas Ross and Kent Brandenburg etc., as you’ve probably seen by now the sites I push to basically get the message to people of all faiths and denominations etc., if you’ve read most or even some of my comments, but I do question myself at times because I’m just sick of this sinful flesh at times when I fail Him and it’s just realising the fallen curse of sin and death world of suffering everyday we see death and horrors that are not natural and not supposed to be!! I have to examine myself as it says whether or not we’re in the faith!! and work out our salvation with fear and trembling, anyways the site faithsaves.net had college level Greek and Hebrew courses you would love as you know Greek way better than I do, I wish we could speak more privately if there is a way not sure on those disqus thing? oh well here’s the guys and their sites as you probably already know, yeah every moment I spend not putting Him first I say is a wasted moment of His time, and the life He has given me!! so may GOD bless you with love joy and peace always in Jesus name amen!!

          have a blessed day night and week…

          evidently the message I began to write did not make it and I must’ve hit the wrong button as you did but at least you had your same text or somehow you didn’t lose you original wording?? I had to write to you all over again because I thought it got sent to you sorry…. take care!! sorry for the gazillion all at once but if you can sve them in a folder or favorites for later reading you’ll be blessed or sick and tired of my craziness ha ha sorry 🙂

          here’s the guys I follow see your college courses here all of them are language guys of the original languages so they’re top notch solid Biblical KJV guys for a reason!!

          Thomas Ross in WI

          http://faithsaves.net
          https://sites.google.com/site/thross7/home
          and here for his teaching sermons

          http://www.mukwonagobaptist.org/sermons/?preacher=29
          http://www.mukwonagobaptist.org/

          below is Kent Brandenburg in CA
          http://www.pillarandground.org
          http://wordoftruthconference.com/
          http://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com/
          https://pillarandgroundpublishing.wordpress.com/thou-shalt-keep-them/
          https://jackhammer.wordpress.com/

          Dr. Thomas Strouse in CT
          http://bbc-cromwell.org/index.shtml
          http://bbc-cromwell.org/articles.shtml
          http://bbc-cromwell.org/sermons.shtml
          http://bbc-cromwell.org/sundayschool.shtml
          http://www.deanburgonsociety.org/CriticalTexts/myths.htm
          http://www.deanburgonsociety.org/CriticalTexts/witfields.htm
          http://bbc-cromwell.org/seminary_syllabi.shtml
          http://www.deanburgonsociety.org/CriticalTexts/yahweh.htm
          http://www.deanburgonsociety.org/Preservation/charity.htm
          http://www.deanburgonsociety.org/Preservation/targums.htm
          http://www.deanburgonsociety.org/Preservation/mind.htm
          http://www.deanburgonsociety.org/Preservation/tittle.htm
          http://sharperiron.org/downloads/Thomas%20Strouse-%20Geocentric%20Cosmology.pdf

          http://kjv.landmarkbiblebaptist.net/JackMoorman-Missing.html

          http://kjv.landmarkbiblebaptist.net/corruptions.html

          • GibbyD

            Yes John , I received your previous posts. I have been busy with some things here and do not have as much time to respond. I always find it comforting to remember that with all our hurried life and many thoughts , that it is nice to know that we can simply draw nigh unto The LORD in quiet reflection and worship as we sit at His feet enjoying His presence. It is a blessing that we can have peace being still before Him knowing that this is that good part that will not be taken from us. I too enjoy the many good sources that we have available to us to listen to good teaching and preaching. The local assembly though is also so very important in order to have real fellowship with other believers that we can worship and learn with. I do not think that there is a perfect local church. Sometimes we just need to wait upon The LORD and try and be faithful to the one that God has directed us to. I can relate and understand your search and desire to find sound teaching. We find our brothers and sisters in Christ in many different places as we must acknowledge that they too are only human and on that same journey as we pilgrim through this life until we see our Saviour’s face. He is the ONE that is worthy of all worship and honor and praise . I am thankful that He died for me and bore in His own body all of our sins. I am also joyous that He arose from the dead and is now preparing a place for us and will come again and receive us unto Himself that where He is , we may be also. What a day that will be when our Jesus we will see. God bless you brother and thank you again for all that good information that you have shared. If you can think of a way to communicate outside this forum , then that would be ok too . Until then , this site is good and I will continue to be GibbyD for future reference . Your brother and friend in Christ , GibbyD ( Proverb 17:17; 18:24)KJB

          • John Mark IB

            well said Brother GibbyD, how are you?

            I’m good Thank The LORD!

            I hope you’re doing well, the nice young lady Lynn wrote to us both it seems, and yes I too needed a break so to speak form all this stuff lot’s to write and it takes time to do so oh well good comments and very correct you’re right, just wish I could speak more freely with you but oh well, good verses too, that friend be Jesus and yes you’re right and true about being thankful to Him for our all in all our true joy and peace cometh not from ourselves or within but from Him alone , good verses, and good words of wisdom that’s nice to know we can help and count on each other in these crazy times from the way I see things it’s like the USA is making friends with the very Persian Iran that is mentioned in Ezekiel with Russia that will try to move against Israel later on down the road and maybe the USA is somehow hit or punished for it’s going against Israel?? as we’re not really in the book so to speak?? crazy times we’re living in for sure and as you said it’s more than a blessing to know Him and His promises are true that He will never leave us or forsake us!! unlike we as humans do to each other,as it all too often the case, in the world today, seems spinning out of control but we know what’s up!! some great book to be studying in our day is the book of Daniel as it is so amazing and just awesome in it’s precision that the skeptics deny it is another amazing thing of itself, but here’s some great books and sermons to check out enjoy my friend and may The LORD Bless you and yours with love joy and peace always in Jesus name amen have a blessed day and night and week and weekend!!

            Renald Showers on Daniel superb easy read great too!!

            The Most High God: A Commentary on the Book of Daniel Paperback – January 1, 1982

            by Renald Showers (Author)

            Thomas Ice on prophecy

            http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?speakeronly=true&currsection=sermonsspeaker&keyword=Dr._Thomas_Ice

            treasures here for sure

            Dr. John Whitcomb

            sermonaudio.com search his name then Daniel

            http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?subsetitem=Daniel&subsetcat=bible&keyword=Dr.%5EJohn%5EWhitcomb&SpeakerOnly=true&currSection=sermonsspeaker&includekeywords=

            now is the time to give this to others to give them the Word and proof of His absolute control over the affairs of mankind and the nations!!

            enjoy my friend !! pray for me as I for you thanks for the good words!!

            http://faithsaves.net/daniel-proof-bible/

            by the way Renald is Jewish and an amazing testimony to Jesus!! amen!!

            http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?SpeakerOnly=true&currSection=sermonsspeaker&keyword=Dr.%5ERenald%5EShowers

            http://www.whitcombministries.org/

          • GibbyD

            Thanks for the additional resources . I remember Renald Showers. I think he took over as editor of the Friends of Israel magazine after Marv Rosenthal left because of a change in his eschatology. I am familiar with Dr. John Whitcomb and his work with Dr. Henry Morris as it has to do with Creationism.

            It does seem very much as if things are falling into place just as The Word of God describes it concerning the last of the last days before our LORD’s appearing for His Church. With all that is happening in the world , I am comforted by The Word of God , The Holy Spirit and The Fellowship and joined worship with my brothers and sisters in Christ.

            “Thou wilt keep him in perfect peace, whose mind is stayedon thee: because he trusteth in thee.” ( Isaiah 26:3)KJB

            “Great peace have they which love thy law: and nothing shall offend them.” ( Psalm 119:165)KJB

            “Be careful for nothing; but in every thing by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known unto God. 7And the peace of God, which passeth all understanding, shall keep your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.” ( Philippians 4:6,7)KJB

            God bless you brother .

          • John Mark IB

            thanks !! you too great verses of amazing comfort!! definitely need to be busy about the work as the day grows short, and so let’s pass on the hope to as many as we can and to all we meet, thanks for the great verses also the guy named Lynn or brother Lynn ha ha, not good on my part, but I made the mistake of assuming it was a sister, sorry brother lynn , but he has interacted with you and myself seems to be a great help as well definitely need the prayers and verses and so we can all pray for each other and encourage one another and push to spread the seeds as much as we can it’s really a madhouse out there no matter where you look for news but this stuff is nut’s!! I’m so sad that this USA is making deals with the enemies of Israel, (Iran/Persia) and the very ones who will be in the coalition with Russia, against her in the Ezekiel 38-39 invasion, so it makes me sad to see the USA going along with and against the Nation who GOD Himself has chosen as His own and His eternal city Jerusalem!! thanks for the verses!! don’t get me wrong, but here’s a great site for getting some of the flavor of the Jewishness of the words from Hebrew, ok it’s what the IDF uses from the Bible or they call it Torah or TaNaK the Torah Law, Prophets,Neviim and Writings Ketuvim, or the 3 fold division of the Hebrew Scriptures, and isn’t it interesting the 3 fold division hmmm ??

            but it’s for encouragement from the book of Joshua here in English and here’s some great teaching from a believer on the subject, good stuff to eat a nice lentil soup with bagels!! ha ha Shalom!!

            http://www.hebrew4christians.com/Meditations/Chazak_v_ematz/chazak_v_ematz.html

            Joshua 1:9

            9Have not I commanded thee? Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the LORD thy God is with thee whithersoever thou goest.

            they say Be strong! be strong! and be of good courage! or be strengthened!

            and so may you too and may the LORD bless you and yours with love joy and peace always in Jesus name amen

            this book lately is a good study for our times etc., prophecy is always amazing!!

            http://faithsaves.net/daniel-proof-bible/

          • lynn

            I belong to an Independant Missionary Baptist Church. Not sure it is the same,

          • John Mark IB

            sorry I didn’t reply sooner, Ms. Lynn, Sister Lynn, nice pic,and pretty name, nice to meet you, 🙂 I’ve been away from this thing for a bit, but it sounds good, Independent and missionary minded is always good, Baptist is Biblical here’s some really great deep teachings for you to pass on and or read in your spare time, and it’s not so much to be negative against women and stuff either, it almost sounds bad like anti women and stuff, which bothers even me, but it’s that GOD has and order for things, and the men are to be the heavy lifter’s as it were, and the women hold down the fort so to speak , I’m gonna get hit really hard for saying that, but it’s just the simplified version is all, sorry I haven’t replied earlier, 🙂 you’re on the right track!! see the great sites here and if you need help don’t hesitate to ask you probably know more than me but we’re all here with different knowledge and gifts and abilities to help each other out so with that in mind here is the stuff I use and try to pass out to the unsaved and saved as well, hope it helps you and hope you and yours are well, may The LORD bless you with love joy and peace always in Jesus name amen!!
            just scroll thru this one he’s got tons of treasures here about all faiths and stuff very good site

            the first one is from a very smart and super knowledgeable man named Thomas Ross up in Mukwonago Wi see his section on finding a true church in your area etc., also he has his sermons from the church site below

            http://faithsaves.net/

            would be best to download them for later or on your phone to listen while at the gym or wherever etc., or even cd etc.,

            Thomas Ross

            http://www.mukwonagobaptist.org/sermons/?preacher=29

            below is from another super language and solid doctrinal Baptist Independent from out in California!! see his sermons and stuff

            salvation and sermons very good stuff here you’ll learn lots too 🙂

            http://www.pillarandground.org/home/?page_id=36

            and you will see on this one they have a great blog that features Thomas Ross on Fridays and mostly it’s Kent Brandenburg from the Bethel Baptist Church in El Sobrante CA near Oakland in Contra Costa County, anyways sermons here

            http://www.pillarandground.org/home/?page_id=15

            http://wordoftruthconference.com/sermons/preacher/kent-brandenburg/

            https://pillarandgroundpublishing.wordpress.com/

            this one you’ll want to search thru the srmons and also the literature and aticles in the seminary section awesome very solid great learning tools Dr. Thomas Strouse

            http://bbc-cromwell.org/

            also see sermons on sermonaudio.com by the following teachers very good on prophecy and others too

            John Whitcomb

            Thomas Ice

            D A Waite

            https://www.raptureready.com/featured/ice/ttcol.html

            see articles on difficult Bible prophecy stuff from the best Thomas Ice makes it easy and is doctrinally sound very good!!

            http://www.pre-trib.org/

            http://www.pre-trib.org/articles
            have a blessed day and week with love joy and peace always in Jesus name amen

          • lynn

            Brother John, I’m also a brother. I would make a really ugly sister LOL

            Hosea 4:1 says “Hear the word of the Lord, ye children of Israel: For the LORD hath a controversy with the inhabitants of the land, because there is no truth, nor mercy, nor knowledge of God in the land.

            It saddens me when I wonder if this be true today in this great land and country we live in with thousands upon thousands of churches filled with millions of folks who claim to be Christians?
            I believe that to be at least true in part because it seems that most who go in and out among them don’t even know who the Lord is.
            They have heard of God, and they believe there is a God, but they have never tasted of His grace.
            Most modern churches only teach of a hand shake religion.
            Observing what you and Brother Gibby have said and witnessed had been refreshing. I wish there were more true churches available for the peoples of the USA. A true church is hard to find in this present world, but Jesus promised that He would be with His church to the end of the world. That tells me that the Lords churches will not become extinct.
            When you mentioned Thomas Ross it brought to mind a preacher I know whose name is Tom Ross. He has written several books, and I have been fishing with him, but it probably isn’t the same man. He is a Missionary Baptist.
            Anyway, thank you for replying, and my prayer is that God will bless you and I am sure He will keep you all the days of your life.
            (brother) Lynn

          • John Mark IB

            Dear Brother Lynn,

            ouch ha ha wow sorry for the stupid assumption and mistake Brother Lynn, so sorry, still nice pic anyways ha ha and name too, thanks very much for the kind words too much nastiness here and maybe I’m guilty of being overly harsh at times with those I criticize too, like the opposing views and stuff, so, and you’re absolutely right, we all need Him and need to be born again, as He says, it’s just plain Gospel 101!!

            John Ch 3,

            and as for the true Churches at least there are few and can be found as I gave you in the links from Thomas Ross, would be neat if it’s the same one?? but oh well, thanks very much, you know you’re absolutely correct, and the more I read about how the USA is now making deals with the very nation(Persia, Iran) that will, and is to betray GOD’S Nation Israel, along with the Russian confederation as it is written in Ezekiel 38-39, and with this isis group taking over the same other nations mentioned in the Bible and the end times prophecies that are soon to come in the near future, it makes me realize as one lady who criticized me for being KJV in one of my posts, she did make a good point and I never replied back to her comment to me but she said I should spend more time trying to reach people for Jesus or telling people about Jesus than trying to (“supposedly” my words) convert people to my supposed version of the Bible, I agree with her that I should be doing just that telling others and giving them good solid Gospel tracts that explain repentance and salvation to get them saved etc., so with that I am in full agreement and as time is winding short and we see the madness of our lost USA and the world madness every minute someone is doing something sick and demented or crazy killing etc., we do need to be pushing the Truth of Christ on the lost masses of souls bound for hell, so I’m thankful for you and Brother Gibby D, who have nice comments and encouragement nice things to sa, let’s be busy though in working for Him and as He said we should be doing the work so when He returns for His bride (Rapture) we will be pleasing to Him in His service amen!! here’s some great tracts from the Lehigh Valley Baptist Church not in my area but has great stuff for helping the lost etc., check it out I’m gonna get me lost of their tracts and pass them out to the lost!! take care and thanks so much for the blessings please pray for me and Brother Gibby D and I’ll do the same May The LORD GOD Almighty richly bless you and yours with love joy and peace always in Jesus name amen!!have a blessed day and weekend!!

            pass on the hope in emails, and on tracts, to all in drive thru, food establishments, waiters, and coffee shops, everywhere you go leave the Gospel tracts to fight the enemy and those who spread the false gospel etc., it’s amazing to me that not one church goes out to spread the truth but you’ve got legions of satans armies false Mormons and jehovas witnesses going out like red ants and termites spreading the gospel of hell so absolutely sad in our times smh let us fight and spread the truth!!! sorry to overwhelm with so many sites but in your time and as a file for favorites bible stuff etc., be safe!!

            http://www.baptist-books.com/category/TRA.html

            http://www.lvbaptist.org/resources/

            http://faithsaves.net

            http://faithsaves.net/daniel-proof-bible/

            http://faithsaves.net/proclaim-gospel-personal-soulwinning/
            from faithsaves.net on

            http://faithsaves.net/asking-jesus-into-your-heart/

            http://46bza31pal0t21oxbq212zea.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/The-Other-Jesus-The-Gospel-Perverted-Ovid-Need-ed.-by-TR.pdf

            check out these sinners prayer stuff and the apostasy very interesting articles indeed, enjoy
            http://faithsaves.net/sinners-prayer/

            http://faithsaves.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/01/Apostasy.pdf

            searched for sinners prayer here top 2 articles
            http://faithsaves.net/?s=sinners+prayer&submit=Search

            other good gospel stuff here
            http://faithsaves.net/?s=apostasy&submit=Search

            see the free pdf book on apostasty today same from above very good book amazing scroll down and it’s on the right hand side as today’s apostasy free book pdf

            http://www.rlhymersjr.com/

            http://faithsaves.net/?s=sinner%27s+prayer+&submit=Search
            www.http://pillarandground.org/home/?page_id=36
            http://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com
            http://discoverthebible.org

          • lynn

            Brother John, I also believe in the rapture, or the catching away. I believe it is before or at the beginning of the tribulation period. I will give you something that most don’t see.
            Revelations 4:4 And around about the throne were four and twenty seats: and upon the seats I saw four and twenty elders sitting, clothed in white rainment, and they had on their heads crowns of gold.
            Who were those 24 elders ?
            I searched through my bible looking for any mention of 24 elders and I didn’t find anything.
            Those elders look pretty churchy to me.
            The Lord Jesus speaking of the church at Sardis in Revelations 3:4 said: Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
            In 2nd Timothy 4:8 Paul said; Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness, which the Lord,the righteous judge, shall give me in that day:and not to me only, but to all them also that love His appearing.
            The 24 elders had already received their rewards. They were dressed in white and had crowns of gold on their heads.
            Jesus spoke of the 24 elders just after the door of heaven was opened and God said “come up hither”
            In Revelations 5:8-10 John spoke of the 24 elders singing a new song, and in that song they said that Christ had redeemed them out of every kindred, and tongue, and people and nation.
            The 24 elders were no doubt men of God that had died and gone on to heaven.
            They obviously had already been to the Beamer seat of Christ and received their rewards, and if I am right, it was before the great tribulation.
            Just my opinion, but it is worth looking at.

            God bless, watch over, protect, give you great peace and joy this weekend.

            Lynn

          • John Mark IB

            well check out the following solid doctrines and teachers here these guys are the cream of the crop and you can’t go wrong so it can happen any moment very simply the doctrine of imminence means we should be preaching or telling others the good news because His return for his bride is near and then not long after His second coming sometime and 7 years later etc., ok see the articles by Thomas Ice on the end times and stuff hope you’re well, may GOD bless you and yours in Jesus name amen have a blessed day week and weekend

            http://pre-trib.org/articles

            http://www.raptureready.com/featured/ice/ttcol.html

            http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?speakeronly=true&currsection=sermonsspeaker&keyword=Dr._Thomas_Ice

            http://www.sermonaudio.com/search.asp?SpeakerOnly=true&currSection=sermonsspeaker&keyword=Dr.%5EJohn%5EWhitcomb

            http://www.amazon.com/The-Rapture-Beyond-Whitcomb-Ministries/dp/0615980325

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Ws25M8sPVc

            check out all of Dr. Strouse sermons on Revelation and his seminary outlines on the site and the sunday school series all his stuff is 100% solid doctrinal and just great teachings also see Thomas Ross from the faithsave.net site

            http://www.bbc-cromwell.org/

            he’s got series on the different books just go to last year and the other years listed and open them etc., very good solid these guys Ross, Strouse and stuff know the original languages and are excellent teachers!! along with Kent Brandenburg see below
            click on the syllabi for the outlines and stuff very good

            http://bbc-cromwell.org/seminary_syllabi.shtml

            http://www.bbc-cromwell.org/sundayschool.shtml

            Thomas Ross on the end times stuff from his great site faithsaves.net
            http://faithsaves.net/eschatology/

            http://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com/

            https://pillarandgroundpublishing.wordpress.com/thou-shalt-keep-them/

            http://wordoftruthconference.com/sermons/preacher/kent-brandenburg/

            http://www.pillarandground.org/home/?page_id=15

        • lynn

          I only study thr KJV bible. We have a pastor, but like you, the sisters don’t speak in church.

    • wandakate

      Every ministry you can find lives almost that same lifestyle. Making money off of GOD…stealing from GOD. Would a man steal from GOD in their tithes and offerings and dealing, you bet they would and are doing it all the time. People just don’t see it, or want to know about it, and some are just to gullible to even believe that they would do such a thing. There have always been fools in the world.

  • Cindy Smith

    I support TBN. They reach a lot of people for the Lord.

    • wandakate

      They take in millions and pay out a few thousand for the LORD…not quite equal. Read the article. Matt was willing to tap the gun on the table so that the woman would know he meant business. She and her husband feared for their lives. Money does strange things to people. Go ahead and support whomever you please so Jan can get her hair dyed pink again and all dolled up. GOD will handle them in the end, they will get their just due. They aren’t hiding anything, they just think they are, but their sins will find them out.

  • John Mark IB

    is anyone really surprised by any of this 99% of the televangelists are false wolves ravenous wolves in sheeps’ well ok really, really, really $$$$$$$$ rich sheep’s clothing!! yeah they dress funny and extravagant and wear lot’s of cheap runny mascara too, ha ha yeah would be funny but too, if not true, and too many so called “Christians”, have not one ounce of proper, critical, Biblical spiritual discernment skills today, these guys are incredible charlatans, with their extra biblical experiences, word, faith charismatic, mass manipulation, for making people sentimental, and separate them from their wallets, so sad but not surprising, even jim Baker is back and doing well, not that it’s wrong for him to be making a living, but him and swaggart were publicly fallen and shamed the name, and right back on tv, not missing a beat, incredible! making that money you know it’s not cheap to be on tv?? well while I’m not better than they are, it’s just sad, how too many people fall for these guys hook line and stinker!! the false preachers and teachers of our time, paula, and smile it’s joel osteen and look it’s tickle my ears joyce Meyers, and the copelands, creflo has lot’s of your dollars, and benny hinn healing again??? please, it’s all about the benjamins for these folks, and they know how to hypnotize the masses, and manipulate with the music etc., and the all too foolish to believe in the anything goes, extra biblical experiences, people seem to want, need, and crave false experiences, extra biblical, rather than the solid biblical truth of GOD’S Holy Word in Christ, which is sufficient enough!! sad, too bad there’s only maybe 1-5% legitimate teachers on even fewer percentage of the channels, here’s hope pass it on

    have a blessed day and week

    http://faithsaves.net
    http://www.pillaranfground.org/home/?page_id=36
    http://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com
    http://discoverthebible.org

    yeah this will set the fires off for some but if it’s Biblical it’s Biblical!!
    http://faithsaves.net/a-scriptural-analysis-of-the-charismatic-movement/

  • Josey

    The gospel is not to be sold for money…freely received freely give. Any donations given should be for God’s house to further the gospel message that Jesus Christ saves and changes lives through repentance, faith and obedience in following Him. It is not to be used for one’s gain in worldly things! Where your treasure is there will be your heart also and Let the mind of Christ be in you, Jesus was not here to build a kingdom on earth, He even explained this and showed His disciples this truth, He came to give us life by giving His, Praise His Name forever!

    • wandakate

      His Kingdom is coming. He went to prepare a place for us and that is His kingdom. It will according to the book of John come down out of heaven to the earth where we will dwell. We are not going up to dwell in a heaven as we’ve been told, but according to scripture we will be here on the refurbished earth dwelling in the new heaven and the new earth (that GOD will make new). All sin will be eradicated. There will be no sinners in the Kingdom of GOD. All things will be new. The gospel was a free gift yes, but they claim television is expensive and it cost a fortune to put on their programs thus they need a literal fortune to stay on the air. JESUS gospel message that He passed onto the disciples has been lost many years ago. Today it’s a watered down message of hyper grace, name it and claim it, health and wealth, prosperity gospel and that good old feel good gospel. They have taken GOD”s word and added to it, they have taken away from it and it’s such a pity and a shame that some churches are nothing more than big social gatherings. They have coffee bars and game rooms for the kids and teens and even big book stores filled with all kinds of Christian books and ties for the men to wear to church and scarves for the ladies, bumper stickers, book markers, Bibles etc. JESUS doesn’t want any of this. He threw out the money changers and the ones that were selling the doves and animals and told them to get out. They were upsetting JESUS turning His FATHER’s house into a den of thieves. Would He approve today of what’s going on in today’s churches, you can rest assured he would not…

  • Truthhurts24

    Most tv evangelist are corrupted no surprise here

  • Josey

    2Corinthians 9:7

    Each person should do as he has decided in his heart–not reluctantly or out of necessity, for God loves a cheerful giver.