ISIS Beheads 21 at Beach: We Will Mix ‘Crusaders’ Blood With Osama Bin Laden’s in Sea

coptickilledA newly released video by the barbaric Islamic State (ISIS) terrorist group shows the mass beheading of 21 people and condemns the opposition as “crusaders.”

“All crusaders: safety for you will be only wishes, especially if you are fighting us all together,” a man states on the video with a North American English accent. “The sea you have hidden Sheikh Osama Bin Laden’s body in, we swear to Allah we will mix it with your blood.”

In the five-minute video, 21 men are shown on their knees in orange jumpsuits having their heads cut off by black-clad Islamists with a caption that reads: “The people of the cross, followers of the hostile Egyptian church.”

Previously, the barbaric group released a video showing a captured Jordanian pilot being locked in a cage and burned alive.

The Islamist spokesperson in the newest video also vowed that they would “conquer Rome” — a reference to the fact ISIS is now less than 500 miles from the southern tip of Italy.

CAUTION: Video contains graphic footage


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  • Steve Clark

    Once again, this site continues to define “Christian” in the narrowest terms possible. The 21 people beheaded were Coptic Christians who have never been in fellowship with the Roman Catholic Church or any of the Orthodox sects. Christianity was spread to Egypt by Mark around 42 so it seems absurd to exclude them from the definition of “Christian.”

    • Robin Palmer

      Definition of Christian = believes Christ is the Son of God and is the only way to salvation through faith. Anything else is human created.

      • Steve Clark

        That is, of course, a Lutheran and Calvinist doctrine which I am willing to grant is a valid theology but by no means is it the only one. We see in part and know in part. Anyone arrogant enough to claim the exclusive right to decide who is or is not a Christian is an offense to Christ. These were not merely “men”, they were Christian martyrs. I pray that I have as much courage as they did should I ever be compelled to renounce my faith.

        • Fundisi

          “they believe in Christ as Savior and Lord – thus can rightly be called Christians in faith.”

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Does this mean that they could remain good Coptic Orthodox Church members in practice but still considered to be Christians by your standards?

          • Fundisi

            I never made any judgment at all! I stated for those interested a bit about their history and indicated those doctrines they share in common with the Roman Catholic Church and left it to the reader to make their own judgment based on the facts.

            They claimed a Christian faith, when they died I quoted their last words, as reported, accurately, ‘Jesus help me.’ I cannot know for sure, nor can you, just because they professed a Christian faith and seemed willing to die for their beliefs tells us nothing about who they were.

            Yet, you began a mindless attack against me, out of your seething hatred, which was not based on any facts. Then, when I stood up to your nonsense you make a pretense of offense, typical of you, as you cannot tolerate anyone that will not bend to your will.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Fundisi: “I never made any judgment at all! I stated for those interested a bit about their history and indicated those doctrines they share in common with the Roman Catholic Church and left it to the reader to make their own judgment based on the facts.”

            No, that is incorrect. You quite clearly called their faith as well as the faith of all Coptic Orthodox Christians into question when you did your little comparison to “Catholicism.” I can read, you know, despite how lowly you think of my intellect.

          • Fundisi

            No, it appears you cannot read, my last statements were: “So, are they indeed Christians? You decide.”

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            What appears before that makes it apparent what you think. One has to be able to parse the rhetoric.

          • TheBBP

            Fundisi, you have been on a full-on assault throughout this entire comment section and you are WAY off the mark. It is not up to you, me, Magister or anyone else to decide who is what. GOD and God ONLY makes the decision on who is of Him.

            You are taking a tragedy brought on by pure evil and trying your hardest to make some sort of fundamental argument out of it. Walk away and chill out.

          • Fundisi

            Assault against whom? That is your biased, subjective opinion. I said, I left the decision to others about whether these people were or were not Christians and only pointed out their history in brief and their shared beliefs with the Roman Catholic Church, now explain why that is wrong? You make accusations, but offer no facts, no argument to support your claims based on facts and it seems you are offended for any such history and or comparisons with another religion. Why?

            So, what if they were Muslims, I cannot examine what they believe and suggest that it is contrary to the Christian faith and such people would not gain heaven? If so, that means there can be no honest discussions of any religion, no matter what they believe, we have to say, ‘well I must leave that up to God, as only He knows if they are saved, even lets say if they were atheists, it is not for me to say they would be lost?”

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Fundisi: “Yet, you began a mindless attack against me, out of your seething hatred, which was not based on any facts. Then, when I stood up to your nonsense you make a pretense of offense, typical of you, as you cannot tolerate anyone that will not bend to your will.”

            LOL! That is a classic example of projection. Anyone who studies your record of posts and rhetorical style can see that this happens. After enough interaction with you, one can even begin to predict precisely when you will try to employ it, as well as the other tactics of ad hominem and No True Scotsman about what “no true Christian” would do or not do.

          • Fundisi

            Three points:
            1. You are now, as is usual for you, getting boring and tiresome.
            2. This is what everything you write always means, ‘I have to win, I have to win, I have to win, I will keep beating a dead horse because I have to win – my ego cannot stand just agreeing to disagree, I have to win and will keep going on and on, nauseating everyone, because I HAVE TO WIN!’
            3. If you can ever ratchet down that gigantic ego of yours and just learn to debate civilly, stating positions clearly and responding without having to stroke your massive ego, we can talk – until then, you are boring and tiresome and no one really takes you seriously, well except Spoob and pax2u.

            No go away and try and find someone who actually cares what you have to say. Bye!

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            1. This is your usual tactic of dismissal without dealing with arguments.
            2. This is your oft-repeated tactic of projecting your own frustrations while attempting to cover it with a rhetorical smokescreen of ad hominem.
            3. This is another repetition of the tactic of ad hominem, coupled with the attempted tactic of guilt by association. It is all designed to paper over not dealing with arguments and hiding intellectual deficiencies.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            What do you think it says about a person’s civility and ego when they constantly resort to denigrating others’ characters by calling them dumb/stupid, childish, low intellect, child of Satan, evil, a dog on a chain, etc.?

          • Robin Palmer

            That means they that if they accept the free gift of salvation by grace through faith they are Christians. All of your other definitions are non-sense.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            LOL! And just what definitions are those?

          • Robin Palmer

            Whatever you are trying to push. There is no other definition you can give it.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            No, I would tend to think that if you describe it as “whatever,” you do not understand it, and therefore should not be making pronouncements on it. Is your whole reason for doing this to white-knight Fundisi?

          • Robin Palmer

            I didn’t define it as “whatever”. I defined it percisely as the Bible defines it. If you want to come up with additional requirements THAT is “whatever” and is false.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Riiiight. You will not admit that you were operating on mere assumption now that you have been called out on it.

          • Robin Palmer

            I think you are quit possibly the stupidest person I’ve come across in a while on the internet. And, that’s saying alot. From the beginning of my comments I defined it PERCISELY. And, stated clearly that anything else is BS. Now, you wanted to make it hazy and that’s on YOU.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            If that is the case, then you are following in the rhetorical tradition of Fundisi and other fundies around here by denigrating those who challenge your assumptions.

            I know what you are doing. You are narrowly defining Christianity in order to portray fundamentalist Protestantism as being the only “true Christianity and anything that smacks as “Catholic” as not. Throwing these Egyptian martyrs under the bus for your post-Reformation grudges is absolutely disgusting.

          • Robin Palmer

            Actually, I’m broadly defining it and not allowing all the little extra requirements to be added that the Catholic’s (and others) like to add. That broad definition allows for a difference in beliefs in 90 million things that don’t matter to focus on the one thing that does matter. That is pulling these Christian martyers out from under the bus.

            While I disagree with much of the doctrine of the Catholic Church (and several protestant dominations) as well as other international deviations of the Catholic Church, I do not think nor did I say they were not Christian. While the doctrine they are pushing requires all these non-essential elements to be met before being a “Christian”. THAT is disgusting.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            If you believe that these martyrs are Christians, then why are you bringing up your post-Reformation grudges about Catholicism up in this article? It comes across as rather suspicious and disingenuous.

          • Robin Palmer

            Because I was answering the original poster who called out their Christianity. (who has apparantly deleted their posts) My comment was to point out that nothing else matters except their salvation experience. Everything else is noise. If they have different beliefs on any number of points of doctrine, it does not matter as long as they accept Christ’s free gift.

          • Robin Palmer

            And, I have no grudges. I have disagreements that I don’t mind voicing. But those disagreements does not mean I believe they aren’t Christians.

      • Fundisi

        Even the Devil and demons believe Jesus is the Son of God, so are they then Christians?

      • mehle

        there is no christ. its someone’s fantasy/ bible was designed to keep idiots under control.King Constantine who wrote Bible.

        • Robin Palmer

          If you are going disregard a faith because of your super duper intelligence and understanding, you might want to make up a scenerio that doesn’t defy history. The Old Testament is thousands of years older than Constatine and the oldest manuscripts (via letters) of the New Testament outdate Constatine by over 200 years. History is your enemy.

          • mehle

            I know you badly want to believe in magic but there is nothing.it’s fantasy/Story of Jesus repeats itself under different name in many culture, way before Jesus.People believed in different god’s and keep fighting for it,to stop this King Constantine designed one god idea to stop that bullshit.I know brain washed people going to wait another million year that Jesus going to come back, but you guys need grow stop living the way that books say written by human to control you.Church killed more people then any other religions.How many scientist and woman was burnt alive still shocking.The Catholic Church is without doubt the most corrupt institution on the
            planet that has shamefully covered up horrendous child abuse for
            centuries and continues to do so today.

        • Magister_militum_praesentalis

          First of all, Constantine was an emperor, not a king; second of all, he did not write the Bible. Where are you getting your history?

          • mehle

            there are people whose job to believe in religion like you do,and there people who has a job to make you belivie in that religion and they did and currently doing many dirty things to that happen.Vatican hiding most of historical books and documents that 100% proving that bible is fake

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Ah, so you get your history from Dan Brown novels? That is too bad.

          • mehle

            I get my history from reality there is no god that’s it.if there was a powerful good he would not have died .kids dying from cancer where is good? why so many religion instead of one? I can prove that there is no god but you cant prove anything..story of Jesus is fake

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Oh, so you can prove a negative? That will be interesting to see.

          • MamaBear

            OK, starting with the Bible. The Dead Sea Scrolls are Hebrew copies of the Bible hundreds of years before Emperor Constantine. The Sinai Codex contains significant portions of both the Old and New Testaments in Greek and also predates Constantine. There is much more evidence, but I don’t want this to turn into a book.
            About cancer: we live in a fallen world. The human race has chosen through free will to sin. That means bad things happen, both in the natural world and through choices of people. Sometimes God reaches down and intervenes through miracles, but more often He works through people. God also allows suffering and hardship to teach and mold us.
            This world is not the end. We were created for eternity.
            I have cancer. I will die from it within just a few years. I don’t have all the answers, but I know without a doubt that God has been with me each step of the way. Cancer will not win, for someday God will take me to Heaven, and cancer, like all other earthly evils, doesn’t get to go.

      • Johnathon Hernandez

        Actually the true definition of a Christian is someone that’s not religious but has a relationship and faith with G-d not by following a list of rules or good works, or just believing in Him, even Satan and his hounds believe in him.. It’s those that know the meaning of having unconditional love and compassion for your neighbors. A true Christian is unashamed to shout out Yeshua Ha-Mashiach huha-Adon. Melekh Ha-melakhim, sar shalom. (Jesus Christ is Lord. The king of kings and the prince of peace). A true Christian is displayed in both faith and action and will show his faith by how he lives. It’s not just about believing in him and that’s what a lot of “Christians” get wrong.

        • Robin Palmer

          A Christian accepts the free gift of salvation. Ask, believe, receive. I didn’t just say “to believe” as a head game, but to “believe and receive” a free gift. EVERYTHING else comes after that. We can’t love as Christ loves until AFTER salvation. Not a part of salvation. You can display Christianity through your fruits but it is not what saves you. It’s the evidence that salvation has occurred, but Christians fail too. If you are looking to towards someone who is always making the right decision to love, you are skipping a bunch of Christians. But, that free gift through faith must be authentic and not just a ceremony or something everyone else is doing.

          I’ve rarely heard a Christian say “believe” and all things are as they should be. Those beliefs are being twisted into what they are not. Autentically believe with your heart and ask (receive that free gift through faith), salvation has occurred by work already done by Christ.

          Now growing in the faith and living right in Christ requires all the rest of the doctrine to be heeded.

  • Fundisi

    Their
    only words were, ‘Jesus help me’: Pope condemns ISIS execution of 21
    Christians for their faith and says ‘martyrs’ blood confesses Christ’

    The Coptic Christians were persecuted when part of the Roman Empire, denied a role in the Council of Chalcedon and were cast out by the Catholic Church . They join Catholics in insisting on redeeming works of the flesh must be added to the work of Christ on Calvary in order to gain salvation, thus like the RCC they both deny salvation by Grace alone. So, while they believe in Christ as Savior and Lord – thus can rightly be called Christians in faith, along with the Roman Catholic Church they hold to many heterodox beliefs which deny the sufficiency of Christ. So, are they indeed Christians? You decide.

    • Magister_militum_praesentalis

      That was predictable. You should be ashamed of yourself for such cold-hearted opportunism!

      • Fundisi

        Well at least, thank God, I am not you.

        • Magister_militum_praesentalis

          That is a non-sequitur. You should be ashamed of yourself for questioning the faith of Christians who gave their lives for their beliefs in a most horrific fashion.

          What are you doing? Arguing about gay marriage and 50 Shades of Gray with all of those “libs” and “fake Christians” on the internet. It demonstrates immeasurably the insularity and ignorance of Evangelical and fundamentalist Christians.

          • Fundisi

            If you were not such a hateful, wholly indecent human being, I would explain; but as you are in bondage to evil spirits, I shall not waste my time.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            I see you are defiant and unrepentant until the end. Explain what? Don’t tell me you gave these martyrs a free pass as Christians. What you said was the equivalent of a politician’s apology which does not apologize at all in the end.

          • Fundisi

            I have NOTHING to repent for!

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Yes you do, the spiritual arrogance and assumption that I just mentioned. You are too obstinate to admit this and repent for it just like all of the hypocritical ad hominems you have used to describe me rather than deal with my arguments.

          • Fundisi

            Oh, did I hurt your little feelings? Are ya crying? Poor baby!

            You are incapable of making an argument, your out of control ego won’t allow it!

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            There is a prime example of the hypocritical ad hominems. The blustering about “ego” is a tactic that you use on everyone who questions your assumptions.

          • Fundisi

            Ha ha ha ha ha ha! You are an unending source of amusement. You are like the little dog that when even slightly stimulated, rushes to the end of his chain and barks.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Now you have entered ad hominem repeat mode. Anyone with a basic knowledge of debate tactics can identify this as a glaring failure to deal with actual arguments. I am pretty sure that I have seen you use the dog and chain trope on multiple people, too.

          • Fundisi

            A basic teaching of Transactional Analysis, is that you cannot communicate with anyone, when in this case, I act like an adult and you a spoiled child, so I simply get down to your level to meet you at the point of your limited intellectual capacity.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            No amount of fancy theoretical-speak and mixing it with ad hominem can obfuscate what I have called you out on here.

  • M Diaz

    Matthew 5:10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness,
    for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

    11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

    so where’s the party?

    • The Last Trump

      Don’t worry about it. You’re no longer invited, remember?
      You cast aside your invitation when you renounced Christ.
      But we’ll have a drink in remembrance of you when we get there.

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        Haha. Now, THAT was another great smackdown right there. Quite enjoyable actually.

        • M Diaz

          so where’s the party?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Well, the party for The Last Trump, Fundisi, JMichael, myself, and the multitude of other saints is in Heaven. We would love to have you there as well, M Diaz, but you will have to renounce your a-theism and follow the One True God through His Son Jesus. I mean, He spoke 100 billion galaxies into existence, and He holds them together as we speak. Isn’t it the least we could do to love and obey and thank Him for that?!? We would LOVE to have you at the Party, M Diaz. C’mon and join us. We love you! God bless you!

          • M Diaz

            i think it’s funny that you hold what jesus said against me…

            hahhahhah, have fun at the party

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            But, M Diaz: I am not holding what Jesus said against you – He is. “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” (John 14:6)

            Don’t me mad at me, M Diaz: take it up with Him. If you don’t want to be with Jesus for Eternity, He is not going to force you into Heaven (for the Party) against your will. He respects your free will that much. God bless you, M Diaz!

          • M Diaz

            “I am not holding what Jesus said against you”

            your intellectual dishonesty is laid out for all to read. reeling in demeaning a quote from jesus is something that convenient cowardly christians do all too often, you know its still demeaning what Jesus said, so where is the party for these decapitated christians…

            “I am the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.” (John 14:6)”

            if you want to be taken seriously, you owe it to yourself to demonstrate HOW and WHY jesus is relevant to me…

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            You are one sick creature, honey. That is the answer to both of your questions. Jesus won’t force you into Heaven against your will. You are free to live without Him. Why are you attacking others and being so mean? If you hate God, then take it up with Him.

            “There are only two kinds of people in the end: those who say to God, “Thy will be done,” and those to whom God says, in the end, “Thy will be done.” All that are in Hell, choose it. Without that self-choice there could be no Hell. No soul that seriously and constantly desires joy will ever miss it. Those who seek find. Those who knock it is opened.” — CS Lewis

          • M Diaz

            “You are one sick creature”
            no that would be Jesus, he’s the guy who said to party when being persecuted, not me.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            No, He said that when we are persecuted, we will be rewarded for it at the Party. Nice try though.

            “10 Blessed are those who are persecuted because of righteousness, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven. 11 “Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. 12 Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you.” Matthew 5:10-12

            See, the Party you are going to miss is going to be all the better! What’s the matter, M Diaz: afraid of a little persecution for Jesus’s sake?

          • M Diaz

            apparently you have comprehension issues sparky

            verse 12: Rejoice and be glad..

            rejoice: feel or show great joy or delight
            glad: happy for someone’s good fortune

            but all i see you’ve been doing is whining…

      • jmichael39

        Sorry, Trump…as much as Diaz is a complete intellectual fraud, so long as she has breath in her lungs (so to speak) she’s still invited. Sadly, Diaz thinks she’s better than God. Oh well. I just hope she figures out her mistake before that last breath is taken.

        • M Diaz

          I wonder how you’d feel if your daughter gets raped, and the assailant ask for Jesus into his heart , would you be partying with that guy too

          • jmichael39

            What do you care? Oh that’s right, you don’t care. FRAUD.

          • M Diaz

            you are such a coward…answer the question…how would you feel knowing your child’s rapist is enjoying heaven as they’re partying with you?

          • jmichael39

            LMAO…that’s funny coming from you, Diaz. When you take the time to actually directly refute what I presented about the Resurrection, you’re in absolutely position to call anyone out for not answering a question you present. fraud AND hypocrite.

          • M Diaz

            I understand why you are avoiding answering the question as you desperately put up straw men, you poor poor cowardly sap…If you said you would be fine wit it then you would admitting to a) a non feeling unsympathetic horrible parent -or- b) a liar

            If you say however that you wouldn’t be fine with it you would admit that your faith is weak…and we can’t have that now can we?

            it must suck being you…

          • jmichael39

            FRAUD, HYPOCRITE and IGNORAMUS….keep going…I’m loving this so much.

          • M Diaz

            keep avoiding the question coward…

          • jmichael39

            Yes I know you are, liar, hypocrite, fraud, ignoramus.

          • M Diaz

            wow sparky, do you work hard at being brain dead or does it come easy…??
            you won’t answer the question.
            the person asking the question isn’t in the position to
            lie…the one answering the question is…
            and why you continue to avoid the question…

            how would you feel knowing your child’s murderous rapist is enjoying heaven as they’re partying with you?

            i get it, who wants to admit to being a coward?
            certainly not you, so much for “blessed are the meek”

            hahhha, your failure is compete you pathetic fool

          • jmichael39

            LMAO…you’ll try to refute THESE posts of mine, but are too chicken-$h1t to try to refute the Resurrection posts and you call ME a coward.
            LIAR – HYPOCRITE – COWARD – FRAUD – IGNORAMUS
            the list is growing by the hour.

          • M Diaz

            yes the desperation is in full swing now…
            you realize that even if i were lying, you still need to answer the question if you are not a coward

          • jmichael39

            Yes, you ARE desperate. anyone who’s seen your posts see that quite clearly.
            I agree…ANSWER THE QUESTIONS FROM MY POSTS ABOUT THE RESURRECTION, COWARD
            COWARD
            LIAR
            FRAUD
            DESPERATE
            HYPOCRITE
            IGNORAMUS
            you’re becoming the poster child for village idiots, Diaz.

          • M Diaz

            “Yes, you ARE desperate.”
            you are still not answering the question…

          • M Diaz

            yes you are right…i am desperate…

            because ppl like you surround me…
            ppl like you who would rejoice in heaven with their child’s murderous rapist…

            better work on your sales pitch sparky, it sucks…

          • jmichael39

            LMAO and you have the nerve to accuse others of logical fallacies. You’re entire life one gigantic fallacy. You see how this works now, diaz? You’ve been exposed. You’re a FRAUD, a COWARD, a LIAR, a DESPERATE FOOL, a HYPOCRITE, an IGNORAMUS, and a GIGANTIC FALLACY.
            You’re ability to accomplish ANYTHING on this site is OVER. Don’t worry, though. You can stay and entertain the rest of us. You’re honestly very funny. Or you could set up a new account with Disque and try to start from scratch under a new ID. Who knows, you might be able to fool some people for awhile too. But I assure you, you are through on this site under your current ID.

          • M Diaz

            “You’re entire life one gigantic fallacy.”

            you really need to feel better about something

          • jmichael39

            I feel absolutely amazing about more things that I could list, Diaz. I’m afraid you’re the one who needs to get a life. I honestly can’t figure out the personal satisfaction obtained from roaming the ‘halls’ of a website dedicated to a worldview you can’t stand just so you can post hate-filled rants about why you hate that worldview and the people who have that worldview. Quite sad, actually.

          • M Diaz

            whatever makes you feel better about being a person who would celebrate the creator of the universe along side the person who murdered and rapes your child i suppose

          • jmichael39

            You’re as big a sinner as any rapist, Diaz. Logic would dictate so (go ahead, ask me). Paul participated in the murders of numerous Christians and God forgave him. Jesus was as innocent as they come and He forgave His accusers and murderers while yet on the cross. But even at that, none of those sins would logically be considered the greatest sin one could commit. Unfortunately, you’re so blinded by your need to be your own god, that you not only don’t know what the greatest sin is to God, but you don’t even care. So how can anyone ever think that you would understand, let alone care about, the true meaning of forgiveness?
            You can ask all the “do you still beat your wife” type of questions you want. But if God is willing to forgive someone like Paul, who am I not to? If God can forgive those who beat and crucified His Son, who am I not to? If God can forgive me for all I’ve done, who am I not to? If someone who raped someone can figure out his sin and need for forgiveness and God is willing to forgive them, who am I not to? If He can forgive you or me or anyone else for violating the greatest commandment He’s ever given, whom am I not to also?
            You can sit there and hate all you want, Diaz. It will only hurt you in the end. God does not hate us for sinning. What He does hate is the sin itself for what it does to people. In fact, He made a way for us to be free of that sin. But He’s no more going to force anyone to accept that forgiveness than He was going to force anyone to follow His commands in the first place. Its your choice, just as it was mine. Just as it would be for those people you think are worse sinners than you. And frankly, Diaz, I would rather spend eternity in Heaven with God and a repentant rapist than in hell with an unrepentant anybody.
            Go ahead, make whatever snide remarks you wanna make from that. Short of you repenting of your own sins, you’re place on this site is over….you’ve been exposed for the hate-filled bigot you are. Go in peace.

          • M Diaz

            “You’re as big a sinner as any rapist”
            so if i raped and murdered your child, and then asked Jesus in my heart you would have to love me, other wise you would be hating your sister in christ…

            boy oh boy, you sure are dumb

          • jmichael39

            Like I said, there’s no use talking to someone about love, eternity, and forgiveness when they can’t see past their own hatred.

          • M Diaz

            “Like I said…”
            it would be well with your soul if you and our child’s murderer was sucking on the creators knees for all eternity

          • jmichael39

            Does it feel good to hate so much, Diaz? Do you find it fulfilling to roam around a Christian news site pissing on other people’s beliefs out of nothing but pure hatred?

          • M Diaz

            it’s very telling that you would choose to rejoice with someone who raped and murdered your kid just because they share the same belief as you

          • jmichael39

            Its very telling that you would support the murder of 56 million children. Which one of us is the sicko, again? Oh, yeah, that would YOU.

          • M Diaz

            your desperation is showing again sparky, i don’t think abortion is right…so do you want to stop with your completely stupid asinine straw man and confess that you don’t like the idea that you are to party with your child’s murderer do you…and you are taking it out on me for bringing it up…you stupid stupid fool…you’ve been played

          • jmichael39

            Here let me repeat, Diaz….since you obviously didn’t get it the first time.

            You’re as big a sinner as any rapist, Diaz. Logic would dictate so (go ahead, ask me). Paul participated in the murders of numerous Christians and God forgave him. Jesus was as innocent as they come and He forgave His accusers and murderers while yet on the cross. But even at that, none of those sins would logically be considered the greatest sin one could commit. Unfortunately, you’re so blinded by your need to be your own god, that you not only don’t know what the greatest sin is to God, but you don’t even care. So how can anyone ever think that you would understand, let alone care about, the true meaning of forgiveness?

            You can ask all the “do you still beat your wife” type of questions you want. But if God is willing to forgive someone like Paul, who am I not to? If God can forgive those who beat and crucified His Son, who am I not to? If God can forgive me for all I’ve done, who am I not to? If someone who raped someone can figure out his sin and need for forgiveness and God is willing to forgive them, who am I not to? If He can forgive you or me or anyone else for violating the greatest commandment He’s ever given, whom am I not to also?

            You can sit there and hate all you want, Diaz. It will only hurt you in the end. God does not hate us for sinning. What He does hate is the sin itself for what it does to people. In fact, He made a way for us to be free of that sin. But He’s no more going to force anyone to accept that forgiveness than He was going to force anyone to follow His commands in the first place. Its your choice, just as it was mine. Just as it would be for those people you think are worse sinners than you. And frankly, Diaz, I would rather spend eternity in Heaven with God and a repentant rapist than in hell with an unrepentant anybody.

            Go ahead, make whatever snide remarks you wanna make from that. Short of you repenting of your own sins, you’re place on this site is over….you’ve been exposed for the hate-filled bigot you are. Go in peace.

          • M Diaz

            whatever makes you feel better about opting to rejoice with your kids murderer…

          • jmichael39

            better than spending eternity living in the miserable company of a baby killer.
            did you smile when those ISIS comrades of yours slit the throats of the four 12 year olds who wouldn’t deny Jesus? Did you wish it was you with the knife in your hand? Yeah, I bet you did.

          • M Diaz

            so what was it that made you become the sort of person who would feel comfortable about partying with your kids rapist/murderer?

          • jmichael39

            BTW, diaz, I’m betting you’re lying. I’m betting you’ve personally had 2, maybe 3 unborn babies killed yourself. How does it feel?
            Oh, and spare me the logical fallacy arguments. You’re as close to being a living breathing logical fallacy as anyone I’ve ever spoken to.

          • M Diaz

            Charlatan: a person falsely claiming to have a special knowledge or skill; a fraud

            Coward: a person who lacks the courage to do or endure dangerous or unpleasant things.

            if the shoe fits, wear it proudly you pathetic maggot pus

          • jmichael39

            awww…does poor diaz not like being accused of things like that. How sad.
            LIAR
            BABY KILLER
            HYPOCRITE
            FRAUD
            and so on.
            Deal with it, Diaz. You like dishing out the BS, time to take it.

          • M Diaz

            You’ve only proven that your entire belief system amounts to
            waste matter discharged from the bowels of bears with diarrhea…

          • jmichael39

            and you’ve proven you’re a LIAR, FRAUD, HYPOCRITE, BABY KILLER, HATE-FILLED BIGOT.

          • M Diaz

            so what happened, why would allow yourself to party with your daughter’s rapist/murderer?

          • jmichael39

            LIAR
            HYPOCRITE
            FRAUD
            BABY KILLER
            BIGOT

          • M Diaz

            whatever makes you feel better about partying with your child’s murderer

          • jmichael39

            If he’s repented of his sins…he’s a better person than you, LIAR, BABY KILLER, HYPOCRITE, FRAUD. If he’s repented, he’ll be living in a new heaven and new earth that is free of the hatred and bigotry people like you bring to this world. And you’ll be weeping and grinding your teeth in regret that you allowed your ego to beat you. How sad. But guess what, once that line is crossed, I won’t ever think another thought about you…and you’ll remember, for eternity, every word I’ve spoken to you. Enjoy…well, that’s not possible. oh well.

          • M Diaz

            it must really suck to be you…knowing that you worship a god that would require you to rejoice with the person who raped and killed your child…no wonder you’re so mean

          • jmichael39

            “require” – Where did I say that? I never said he requires it. I rejoice in the salvation of any person…because I know that it takes a lot of humility to accept one’s sins and repent of them. Because I know that Jesus suffered horrendously in hopes that person would someday repent of their sins. Humility…something you wouldn’t know anything about. While you sit here and play god in deciding who gets to spend eternity with God and who doesn’t, God’s still offering forgiveness to you too. But you’re too busy enjoying spitting on Jesus. And you think the rapists do terrible things. How sad. Aren’t your lips getting dry yet from all that spitting?

          • M Diaz

            “require” – Where did I say that?”

            wow the level of your stupidity is stunning

            i never said you said it, numb nuts, i quoted matthew 10:34 “Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn“‘a man against his father,
            a daughter against her mother,
            a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law—
            36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household.

            now pay attention to verse 36 you stupid pathetic willful denier of your child …whatever you need to do i suppose just so you can save your soul…

          • jmichael39

            So you think GOD ‘requires’ it? Show me where. You can’t can you.

            I know the passage, Diaz. I also know its root passage in Micah. Do you? The question was, what’s your point in bringing it up? Or DO you have a point?

            You think being willing to forgive the rapist and murderer of your child makes you a child denier? You’re a sick person, Diaz. You live your entire stewing in hatred don’t you. Did someone rape you? or maybe it was your child who was raped and murdered. Is that what happened? Wow and you think coming to sites like this to spit on Christians because “God let that happen” is gonna make you feel better…is gonna make the pain go away?

            Yes, even him. Again I ask, if God’s willing to forgive a repentant murderer and rapist, who the hell do you think you are not to also forgive him? Good question, who the hell DO you think you are? Heck…I’d even rejoice if you were to give your heart to Christ. And you’re a worse sinner than that imaginary rapist you made up.

          • M Diaz

            “So you think GOD ‘requires’ it? Show me where. ”
            i did you stupid fool

          • jmichael39

            In that Matthew passage? LMAO. You definitely need to take a hermeneutics class. That’s likely the worst bit of exegesis I’ve ever seen.

          • M Diaz

            i don’t think it’s funny that you would put a believer in christ, who raped and murdered your daughter in christ before your daughter…you are a pathetic

          • M Diaz
          • jmichael39

            no, just you….if you think those verses have anything to do with ANYTHING you said.

          • M Diaz

            so why won’t you answer e question you spineless coward..
            how would you feel knowing the person who raped and murdered your daughter is rejoicing jebus along side of you?

          • jmichael39

            Give it a shop, Diaz….YOU answer questions for a change….you hateful bigot.

          • M Diaz

            how would you feel knowing the person who raped and murdered your daughter is rejoicing jebus along side of you?

          • jmichael39

            A whole lot better than you’re gonna feel spending eternity in the pit of hell.

          • M Diaz

            for me if i knew i had to rejoice with the person who raped and murdered my child, that would be hell you stupid sh*t bag

          • jmichael39

            well, then enjoy the real hell. That’s where you’re heading. And I can guarantee you it will be far worse than that. Enjoy.

          • M Diaz

            whatever makes you feel better for choosing to rejoice with the person who raped and murdered your child because the are fellow believers you pathetic swine scum

          • jmichael39

            And NOTHING will make you feel better. Your sick life will only get far worse.

          • M Diaz

            i’m not the one who believes this sh*t you pathetic monkey

            how would you feel knowing the person who raped and murdered your daughter is rejoicing jebus along side of you?

          • jmichael39

            Doesn’t make it any less true. You couldn’t refute the evidence for the resurrection of Christ….and that just so happens to be the cornerstone of it all. Too bad you were too full of yourself to actually pay attention when I presented the material. Don’t worry, though, you’ll have an eternity in hell to remember every word of it. Enjoy.

          • M Diaz

            how would you feel knowing the person who raped and murdered your daughter is rejoicing jebus along side of you?

          • jmichael39

            How will you feel in hell when it finally dawns on you that your stupid arrogance put you there?

          • M Diaz

            how would you feel knowing the person who raped and murdered your daughter is rejoicing jebus along side of you?

          • jmichael39

            how does it feel to know you’re a moron?

          • M Diaz

            how would you feel knowing you are the sort of person who would rejoice along side the person who raped and murdered your daughter so as to save yourself…?

          • jmichael39

            I’m gonna feel terrible knowing you’re going to spend eternity in hell…right up until I see Jesus face to face. Then I’ll never think of you again.

          • M Diaz

            “I’m gonna feel terrible knowing you’re going to spend eternity in hell”
            wait a second you pathetic maggot…
            does that mean had i raped and murdered your child you would rejoice with me because I now I believe like you do?
            you are a disgusting piece of sh*t

          • jmichael39

            Considering the fact that your sins are worse than those of a rapist and murderer, sure…that’s great reason to rejoice. Though clearly you prefer hell over eternity with Christ. Oh well, enjoy.

          • M Diaz

            there is nothing more wrong then denying the dignity of your own children you meaningless slug slime

          • jmichael39

            What ashame it will be that both you and your children will end up in the torments of hell for eternity…and why? Because you don’t care enough about your kids to show them about God’s love. How terribly sad and disgustingly self-centered of you. How does it feel to know your choice to spend eternity in hell will cause your own children eternal torment?

          • M Diaz

            “What ashame”

            yes it is a shame to undermine your own child’s life just so it can save you wretched empty heart

          • jmichael39

            You should know, you’ve pissed your own kids into the pit of hell because of your arrogance. Feel better. At least you won’t be alone there.

          • M Diaz

            i’m not the one who would deny the value of my childs life just so that i can save myself you stupid fool

          • jmichael39

            Sure you are, Diaz. You’ll let them burn in hell rather than tell them about the resurrection of Jesus…which you couldn’t refute. What sort of sick woman would let her kids burn in hell like that. You must really hate them.

          • M Diaz

            careful your pathetic desperation is showing…

          • jmichael39

            LMAO…funny words coming from someone who hates her kids like you do. What a truly sick woman.

          • M Diaz

            no… i love my children enough to defecate on the idea that i am to deny their meaning to me because i want to save myself…

          • jmichael39

            LOL…yeah, you love ’em enough to make sure they join you in hell…you sick, hateful woman. You foolishly think to worry about the minor chance of rape and murder while your poor kids are guaranteed an eternity in hell with the mom who obviously hates them. You’re truly pathetic.

          • M Diaz

            what are you 5?

            the idea of hell was conjured up out of desperation…

          • jmichael39

            what are you 5? my daughter’s rape and murder was conjured up by a petulant hate-filled bigot who wants nothing more than to see her own children burn in hell.

          • M Diaz

            oh right i forgot, you stupid….

            apparently you are too dim witted to understand the purpose of an analogy…yes children do get raped and murdered, and you and i both know that isn’t a good thing, in fact it horrific…but what is even more horrific is your pathetic desperation to be saved from this idea called hell…a tool for fools to be manipulated by..HAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHAHHAHHAHHAHHHAHHAHHAHHAHHAHHA

          • jmichael39

            LMAO…You really need to go back to junior high and learn what an analogy is, Diaz. LMAO and you call ME “stupid” LOLOLOLOL.
            And guess what…you keep trying to convince yourself there’s no hell…loser. You’ll be there soon enough…along with your poor kids. How sad that they have to live under the hate of such a sick mother.

          • M Diaz

            whatever makes you feel better for denying the dignity of your children in order to save yourself

          • jmichael39

            NOTHING will ever make you feel remotely good for leading your children into the pits of hell…yet there you are doing that very thing. I guess there is no end to what you will do to hurt them.

          • M Diaz

            well the difference between you and me is that i would protect my child’s dignity, and you would pawn it off to save yourself

          • jmichael39

            Pawn it off to save myself? Where in hell did you come up with that one? LMAO. You think your children’s dignity will matter to them while they’re eternally in torment? And you have to nerve to think I’m a poor parent.

          • M Diaz

            “Pawn it off to save myself?”

            yes you pathetic slug

          • jmichael39

            well that answered my question…like you answer all my questions…NOT AT ALL. What a pathetic excuse of a human being. A true intellectual FRAUD.

          • M Diaz

            “well that answered my question”
            indeed it did chump

          • jmichael39

            that explains your incompetence in defending your positions earlier…in other words, you’re imbecile. Thanks for clarifying.

          • M Diaz

            it’s alright turd..i hope you die a long painful death and the last thought that goes through your mind is of self hatred

          • jmichael39

            typically hateful rhetoric from a woman who already lives in pure self-hatred.

          • M Diaz

            what is hateful is denying the dignity of your children’s life in the here and now…you vomitous mass of swine scum

          • jmichael39

            which of course you are doing everyday as you spew your bigotry and hatred towards people of differing beliefs. around your children…teaching them to hate just like you…some dignity there. It wouldn’t surprise me if one of them grow up to rape and kill people. I mean, seriously, when their mom is so sickeningly hateful, what’s left for your kids to do but to take that hatred to the next level. Good luck with that.

          • M Diaz

            die maggot die

          • jmichael39

            nah, you don’t hate….you’re such a loving human being.

          • M Diaz

            tell me, when jesus came inside you, were you sucking him off or did you take it up the back end?

          • jmichael39

            wow, you really are insane.

          • M Diaz

            whats insane is that you get hard every time Jesus whispers sweet nothings in your ear

          • jmichael39

            keep going, Diaz…you’re doing an amazing job of making a complete fool of yourself.

          • M Diaz

            yea, you’re getting hard right now just thinking about jesus coming all over you

          • jmichael39

            you’re getting quite boorish.

          • M Diaz

            yet you keep coming back 4 more
            how many loads can you E-Jack-U-late in 15 minutes?

          • jmichael39

            ZzZZZZZZzzzzzzzZZZZZZzzzzzz…oh, are you still talking?

          • M Diaz

            i guess you can only do one …
            want some more…???

            how about the Jesus technique…hammer a nail through your hand and slip your unit through the hole and imagine the holy spirit sucking your tip…getting hard?

          • jmichael39

            …………………………

          • M Diaz

            thats right…on your knees…spread those cheeks feel the pulsating throbbing vibrations…are you coming?

            god is rubbing your so good right now….

          • jmichael39

            …………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

          • M Diaz

            i bet you have a jesus on a stick b.u.t.t plug don’t you?

          • jmichael39

            …………………………………………………………………………….

          • M Diaz

            you certainly seem to get off on jesus P.H.U.C.King christ

          • jmichael39

            …………………………………………………………

          • M Diaz

            apparently the thought of Jesus coming in your mouth over and over again for an eternity..gets you off…slurp slurp slurp

          • jmichael39

            why don’t show these posts of yours to your kids…they’ll probably get off on mom acting like a POS.

          • M Diaz

            lets think about this…
            so you would tell your child her rape and murder was worth it cause the person who raped and murdered her became a fellow believer…
            or me making fun of your imaginary humping buddy

          • jmichael39

            oh, are you still there, diaz? I thought you’d be planning your excuses to God being such an obnoxious POS.

          • M Diaz

            the god you worship is a POS, at least that is how you have been explaining it

          • jmichael39

            ah, so you’re planning on using ME as your excuse for treating God the way you have. Great…typically petulant child.

          • M Diaz

            treated, wtf are you talking about?
            is god able to be treated by me?

          • jmichael39

            You’re such an idiot…yeah, how you treat God.
            Do I need to say in sign language for you.
            HOW
            YOU
            TREAT
            GOD
            SHEESH.

          • M Diaz

            so you admit your god is small enough to be treated?

          • jmichael39

            where in the world did you learn logic, from a cracker jacks box. That is the stupidest thing you’ve said so far. And that’s saying a WHOLE lot.

          • M Diaz

            it helps to think before you respond…
            when something is treated, that means something is affected…
            you are saying i am in the position to affect the supreme being of the universe…??? hahhahha
            but that would makes sense since it’s feewings are hoit if one doesn’t acknowledge it…how absolutely childish.
            sorry, like i said before… your god is too small for me…

          • jmichael39

            I can’t believe you even had the stupidity to try to defend that logic. OMG, how in the world do you live functionally on a daily basis?

          • M Diaz

            no the stupidity is conflating your feelings with an imaginary friend who has super powers…

          • jmichael39

            thank you…its a really good thing God is not imaginary. But you’ll find that out soon enough. You can only hope you figure it out before your choking in hell for eternity over all you hatred.

          • M Diaz

            god is imaginary….because there isn’t a standard available that would determine who or what this idea that exists in the imagination of the fearful is…

          • jmichael39

            LMAO…and you think WE have to create a standard for God to live up to? OMG you’re hilarious.

          • M Diaz

            of course we do…special pleading is a logical fallacy you know

          • jmichael39

            YOU’RE a living logical fallacy, you know.
            There is no special pleading in my statement. No one is exempt from God’s judgment.

          • M Diaz

            “There is no special pleading in my statement. ”

            yes there is, you claim the god idea isn’t subject to a standard that would determine who and what god is…
            we know the criteria that would establish a dog so as to not conflate it with a cat as there is a criteria that determines what a cat is…everything that is meaningful objectively is subject to a criteria..so yes you appeal to special pleading is a logical fallacy…thanks for playing

          • jmichael39

            Do I get to determine what YOU are by MY standards? Or are you just what you are no matter what I believe you to be? God is what He is, no matter what you believe Him to be or even what I think He is. I might get it right on some level as to what you are, but you aren’t defined by my standards. And God is not defined by You either. What I have with God is a relationship. He reveals Himself to me as part of that relationship. I may misunderstand something about Him in course of that relationship. But that’s part of the relationship. You choose not to have a relationship with God. And your define God by the absence of a relationship. GET IT? I doubt you do. You’ve yet to show fundamental understanding of anything.

          • M Diaz

            “Do I get to determine what YOU are by MY standards? ”

            you already have…i am a person you are communicating with…

            it would take an intellectual dishonest person to not acknowledge that, and i am will to bet you get more interaction with me then you do with the supreme being of the universe

            “God is what He is,”

            according to what standard????

            “but you aren’t defined by my standards.”

            yes i am, you used the standard of language to determine i am a person to communicate with in english.
            the problem with your insignificant god is that it isn’t able to communicate with anyone objectively, which is why there are so many different religious beliefs ALL claiming to be representing this supreme authority…that is why a standard is needed in order to determine who and what god is

          • jmichael39

            “you already have…i am a person you are communicating with…

            it would take an intellectual dishonest person to not acknowledge that” – then by your sickening logic, you must be what I say you are. RIght?

            “i am will to bet you get more interaction with me then you do with the supreme being of the universe” – don’t make that bet, you’d lose.

            “according to what standard????” – according to HIS standards. NO ONE gets to define who anyone else is.

            “yes i am, you used the standard of language to determine i am a person to communicate with in english.” – No, YOU get to determine that you choose to communicate in English. You can choose to learn any language you want. As can I. I get to choose where I want to communicate with you in the language you speak or not.

            “the problem with your insignificant god is that it isn’t able to communicate with anyone objectively” – Sure He does. We choose not to communicate with Him according to HIS standards. You don’t understand God, because you choose not to learn the language. I’ve chosen to learn His language. You don’t like it that way? Too damned bad.

            “what is the standard you use to determine you aren’t having a relationship with yourself?” – The fact that we communicate and love. You do know what love is, right? Well, maybe not.

          • M Diaz

            “then by your sickening logic, you must be what I say you are. RIght?”

            that’s right…according to you i am what you think of me because i have met the standard that determines whatever it is you think of me is…

            “according to HIS standards.”

            circular logic is a logical fallacy

            “No, YOU get to determine that you choose to communicate in English.”

            we are communicating in english, if you want to be intellectually foolish..be my guest.

          • jmichael39

            well, if you want to believe that you are what other say you are, then try this. You’re completely incapable of using a computer. You don’t know what a keyboard is. You can’t figure out how to even read any language. You’re a love Christian mom who worships Jesus with all your heart. That’s all you ever care to do.
            That’s what you are…be it.

          • M Diaz

            “well, if you want to believe that you are what other say you are,”

            if all the criteria points to a particular label…yes ppl will form their opinion of me based on the criteria the set for themselves…

            “You’re completely incapable of using a computer. You don’t know what a keyboard is. You can’t figure out how to even read any language.”

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            “You’re a love Christian mom who worships Jesus with all your heart. That’s all you ever care to do.That’s what you are…be it.”

            are you high?

          • jmichael39

            No, just proving a point. You AREN’T what others say or even believe you are…beyond what you really are. I could say you’re blue and no matter how much I believe it, that doesn’t make you blue.

          • M Diaz

            “You AREN’T what others say or even believe you are”

            hahhha…the irony.

            “I could say you’re blue and no matter how much I believe it, that doesn’t make you blue.”

            is that like you can say you know who and what god is no matter how much you believe it, that doesn’t make god exist?

          • jmichael39

            wow, you really are insane

          • jmichael39

            wow you really are insane.

          • jmichael39

            You should know, you’ve pissed your own kids into the pit of hell because of your arrogance. Feel better. At least you won’t be alone there.

          • jmichael39

            How did it feel when you realized you enjoyed seeing those Christians beheaded?

            Was it hard dealing with your wishes that you could do that to a Christian?

            You seem to have an attraction for raping and murdering…how do you keep from raping and killing someone?

            Or maybe you already did that to someone….how did it feel?

            Do you want to do it again?

            Answer the questions, Diaz

          • M Diaz

            never said i enjoyed it…but as christians, christians are to give up all of their human rights… Luke 14:26 “If anyone comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters–yes, even their own life–such a person cannot be my disciple

            so what are you a human being first or a christian?
            if you are a human being first you are not a christian
            if you are a christian first you are not a human…and clearly it isn’t human to rejoice with the person who raped and killed your daughter you pathetic stupid cowardly fool

          • jmichael39

            Do you even have a clue what that verse means? Obnoxious twits like you think it means we need to start hating people and ourselves until our love for Christ is greater…its a comparative analogy, you moron. You don’t lower your love for others just so your puny love for Christ is greater. You RAISE your love for Christ. Sheesh. How in the world do you tie your shoes in the morning?
            You’re just pointing out…that you have no freakin’ clue how to comprehend what you read.

          • M Diaz

            ok so how would you feel knowing you are rejoicing about your perfect love for christ WITH the person who raped and murdered your child, you pathetic twit

          • jmichael39

            The love of God is far greater than any bitterness you might want to hold on to for eternity. Enjoy your bitterness and hatred. It will be your eternal companion.

            Luke 16:
            22 “The time came when the beggar died and the angels carried him to Abraham’s side. The rich man also died and was buried. 23 In Hades, where he was in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. 24 So he called to him, ‘Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.’

            25 “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’

            27 “He answered, ‘Then I beg you, father, send Lazarus to my family, 28 for I have five brothers. Let him warn them, so that they will not also come to this place of torment.’

            29 “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’

            30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’

            31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’”

          • M Diaz

            doesn’t matter you non human slime..
            it’s your choice to deny your raped and murdered child because the one who did it is forgiven, simply because they believe…wow you are a really shallow piece of fecal matter

          • jmichael39

            Let’s try this one more time.
            Why is it important to you that these questions must be about my daughter…or specifically about the idea of her being raped and murdered? Why not make it about my best friend? and his daughter? Or someone else’s daughter? Or YOUR daughter? Because you want to make this as personal to me as possible. I understand that. But its never about me or my daughter or how she dies.
            What if she died in a car accident wrapped around some tree trying to avoid an on-coming drunk driver? Or she died in a plane crash? Or went to Kenya on a mission trip only to be kidnapped by Muslim extremists who ultimately cut off her head?

            Will I be upset? Of course. Will I cry? Violently. Will I question God about it? Most likely. But in the end, how my daughter were to die is no consequence to me. My sorry would be in losing my ability to spend time with her while I live the rest of this life. But ultimately, I KNOW where my daughter is. I have no doubt whatsoever. And I see such event through the lens of that knowledge. I will be with my daughter in eternity…no matter when she dies or how she dies. Because of the I am free from the burden of having to hate someone for what they might have done to her in bringing about her death. Will that person face consequences for what they did? Here on earth, most likely. If they reject Jesus’ call to repent and seek forgiveness for their sins…all their sins, not just this sin…then they will avoid the eternal consequences for that sin.

            That may not be something you want to see…but, frankly, who the hell are you to decide on that. No matter how much you may think you’re your own god, you’re no god. And neither am I. And if God chooses to forgive a repent sinner, no matter their sin, who am I….and who are you…to do any less?

          • M Diaz

            “Why is it important to you that these questions must be about my daughter…or specifically about the idea of her being raped and murdered?”

            because you stupid dim wit those things happen…
            children do get raped and murdered, and according to you this:
            matthew 10:36 a man’s enemies will be the members of his own household…is gods word…

            so if everything that happens goes according to gods plan, then your child being raped and murdered was a part of your loving gods plan to have you be happy about that same person being your brother/sister in christ

            nice sociopathic ideology you defend there chief

          • lynn

            If he did that to my daughter, he has better find Christ befire I found him. That may not be very Christian like, but I can repent and he would most likely be burning in hell. Just saying. Now I have opened the door for you to attack me, but the truth is the truth.

          • M Diaz

            ” he has better find Christ befire I found him”
            well being that we are talking about the after life he would already be dead and so would you, right? So then how can heaven continue to be heavenly knowing your child’s murderer was celebrating the creator right there along side you?

          • lynn

            I was speaking as a man. A man that loves my family. But to answer you question about what I would do in the after life. God said that He will wipe away all tears. I don’t pretend to know all that that untails. I do think it would include all regrets, failures, vengeances, and anything bad. So I just take Him at His word. Hopefull I don’t have something like this in my furture to worry about.

          • M Diaz

            “I was speaking as a man.”

            what are you first, a man or a christian?

            if you say a christian, you are not a man
            if you say a man, you are not a christian

            so it would appear you want it both ways…

            ” I don’t pretend to know all that that untails. I do think it would include all regrets, failures, vengeances, and anything bad.”

            are you suggesting you would gladly offer the memory of your child so you can get rid of regrets, anything bad?

          • lynn

            You sure like to argue, and like I said yesterday, I know you will get the last word. =O) I don’t even pretend to know everything. I don’t know what I would do, but I did try to give you an answer.I don’t think much about what-if questions. Don’t really like them. I don’t think you like them either. Remember, I asked you what if you are wrong? I didn’t take it that you liked thst question.

          • M Diaz

            “I don’t even pretend to know everything.”

            you don’t know how you would imagine yourself feeling knowing your childs murdering rapist was in heaven with you?

            ok.

    • Richard Brice

      Amen.

      • M Diaz

        is that party at your place?

  • robertzaccour

    Religion of peace my white harry keister!

    • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

      I would love to hear your pastor say that from the pulpit.

    • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

      And unless your name name is Harry, the word is “hairy.”

    • jmichael39

      I know “Harry”. He works down at the wig factory, right?

  • Magister_militum_praesentalis

    These are Egyptian CHRISTIAN martyrs. Get it right, CNN!

    • Steve Clark

      Do you really think that will ever happen?

      • Magister_militum_praesentalis

        Unfortunately, no.

  • Steve Clark

    And once again the level of discourse on this site sinks to petty name calling. I would invite anyone looking for an intelligent debate to meet me on my blog at http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com. No ad hominem arguments or hostility allowed.

    • Magister_militum_praesentalis

      It would be very interesting to see if Fundisi is capable of doing this. You have seen the extent of his opportunism in the way that he has played rhetorical games with the faith of these blessed martyrs.

  • Andrew Diamond

    Does it really matter if they were Christian or not? These people were beheaded and most of the people here are arguing if they were actually Christian? Yes, it is one of the reasons why they were beheaded, but they’re people. Instead of arguing about their beliefs, why don’t we just forgive ISIS.

    • Fundisi

      For the sake of accuracy and truth, name those arguing whether or not they were Christian and how many such arguments were made in that regard. Or, are you engaging in hyperbole? No one said or implied they were not beheaded because they claimed the Christian faith. No one excused or in any way intimated that ISIL should be forgiven for these acts of barbarism. So, it seems you make a lot of accusations not based on fact.

    • Magister_militum_praesentalis

      Unfortunately people like to play such games with others’ humanity and beliefs. It is rather sad.

    • Lisa

      It is very sad they were executed, however as a Christian I would like to know if they were actually Christians. Many people call themselves Christians who aren’t.

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        Lisa, there is an infinitely higher probability that a person who calls themselves “Christian” in a Middle Eastern country really is, as compared with an American cheap grace Christian. I cannot prove that these are Christians to you – only God knows their hearts, but let’s just say that if they claimed to be Christians, it was not for the coffee and doughnuts after service, if you get my drift. Or for the 7-11 songs and neat-o field trips and pizza nights. The perks for self-labeling as a Christian over there are not much different than they were in Paul’s day. God bless you, Lisa!

        • Lisa

          Can you tell me-I don’t know what an American cheap grace Christian is? I’m sorry I don’t get your drift, are you trying to say that over there if they say they are Christians they must really be? I don’t mean to irritate anyone but for many years there was a difference between catholics and Christians, it is only recently that people say they are the same. I don’t believe that catholicism is Christianity. I have read that Coptic Christians are catholic, which is why I wonder.

          • MamaBear

            American cheap grace = going forward at an invitation or altar call, saying the “sinner’s prayer” whether you mean it or not, getting dunked in the baptistery or pool or river (unless you are in a church that sprinkled you as a baby), and figuring you now have “fire insurance.”
            OK, I was being a bit sarcastic, but only a bit. I belong to a church with altar calls and believers’ baptism, but I do see many people who go through the motions and show little or no evidence of changed lives.

            True Christianity = genuine repentance (turning away) from sins and following our Lord who said “take up your cross and follow me,” meaning we give Jesus Christ our whole heart, life, and soul, at whatever cost, even if it is to death.

            Coptic Christians are NOT Roman Catholics. They are not Protestants either. Probably closest to the Greek Orthodox Church.

          • Lisa

            Thanks for explaining. You didn’t have to explain true Christianity-I already understand that. So then you say that it doesn’t matter the church someone goes to but it matters that they say they are Christian. But do you have any problem with catholics venerating and worshipping Mary? Praying to Mary? Mary being co-redemptix with Jesus? The pope being the head of the church, confessing sins to priests. Only priests and the pope can understand the Bible and only they can know what the Bible means and says? Church tradition being equal with the Bible? Praying for the dead? The eucharist? I just don’t think that a true Christian would want to do that. I do think that a person can start out being a catholic but once they become a Christian I really don’t think they could stay a catholic. I have been at a church that was made up of former catholics and they would never go back to catholicism. I will say that at the time I didn’t really understand why, then later I studied the differences and became convinced that catholicism isn’t Christianity.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Lisa: “The eucharist? I just don’t think that a true Christian would want to do that.”

            If you had read your history, and studied the theological issue like you have claimed, you would know that the Eucharist is something that Christians have practiced since the beginning.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Lisa: “I have been at a church that was made up of former catholics and they would never go back to catholicism.”

            What kind of church is this? What do they teach about Christianity and its history? What do they teach about “Catholicism?”

          • MamaBear

            The Catholic Church of today is not the same as Reformation times. Modern Catholics are encouraged to read the Bible for themselves. There are many Catholic doctrines and traditions I disagree with. Mary is especially difficult, as they see her as an intercessor, and some Catholics do actually cross the line between respect or reverence to worship. Mary as co-redemptrix is not part of the official Catholic teachings, but has been argued among their theologians and refers to her participating in redemption through being the mother of Jesus, not equality with Jesus. (I looked it up on a Catholic site. Perhaps some Catholics on here know more.)

            As long as someone has Jesus Christ as Lord of their life and Savior from their sins, they are my brother or sister. “If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.”

            Perhaps we would all be wise to remember Matthew 25 – ” Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’ ”

            Instead of criticizing their doctrines, pray for the persecuted.

          • Lisa

            Galatians 1:8-9
            But even if we or an angel of heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached you let him be accursed! As we have said before so I say it again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you have received, he is to be accursed!

            The pope recently said that you can’t have Jesus without Mary. Where Jesus says He and the Father are one. It’s not He and Mary. It is horrible what happened to these men and I didn’t say that it wasn’t, but I think that we Christisns need to be on the alert so we are not deceived.

          • Lisa

            Also think about this-if they really don’t know Jesus then are they going to be the people Jesus tells that He never knew them? If we say they are Christians when they really aren’t, are we doing them any favors or are we letting them die without Jesus as He is meant to be the only mediator between God and man?

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Lisa: “I don’t mean to irritate anyone but for many years there was a difference between catholics and Christians, it is only recently that people say they are the same.”

            Again, where are you getting this mentality about what constitutes “true Christianity?”

            It would be very helpful if you would discuss what kind of church you attend or grew up in. You act like this Christian/Catholic dichotomy is something that exists by default and that “everyone knows it.”

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Hey Lisa, great questions! You are not irritating anyone – it’s usually me that does that. (Carryover from my a-theist days.)

            Here is what I am saying: the people who call themselves Christians in the Middle East are often given the opportunity to deny Jesus (they call him Isa over there – same exact Person) in order to save their lives. It is often convert (to Islam) or die. So, yes, I am pretty sure that any person, Catholic, Protestant, or Eastern Orthodox, who refuses to deny the Lord Jesus when facing a beheading is a Christian. And a doggone courageous one at that! The fact that each of these branches of Christianity has false doctrine is of no warrant if they have placed their trust in the Lord Jesus.

            When I became a Christian after 42 years of a-theism, I, too, was so focused on doctrine that I questioned whether or not a Catholic COULD be a Christian. And, I am married to a faithful Catholic – who put up with years of misery inflicted on her because of me! Talk about a hypocrite – I am ashamed of myself! My wife believes that Jesus is her Savior, it is that simple. She likes the structure of the Catholic service (as do I), the liturgy is almost perfectly Biblical, and the hymns are quite good. And nobody does better works than Catholics, nor does anyone uphold the Sanctity of Life and Marriage better.

            Now, I disagree, as does she, on many of the doctrinal fine points of Catholicism, which is why I am not Catholic. But, I became a “we’re all Catholic now” Protestant when Obama started persecuting the Church early in his first term. I attend my wife’s church, serve on their missions team, and help out with their support of a local crisis pregnancy center. I spread the Gospel as much as I can.

            Now, that being said, the question is not “what does a person call themselves,” but what does a person believe regarding the role that Jesus plays in their lives. Is He their Savior or not? I believe that there are plenty of Catholics who are not Christian and plenty of Protestants who are not Christian. They do not appear to believe that Jesus is Lord, nor do their lives appear to bear the fruit of the Holy Spirit. Of course, only God knows for sure, right?

            Many people on this page will disagree with me here, and I respect that, but I am a Mere Christian: I believe we just need to know the basics to be saved, because if our doctrine has to be perfect to be saved, well, then Heaven is most certainly empty except for God.

            “Cheap grace Protestant” is a very derogatory term (Lord, forgive me!) that I use for someone who calls themselves a Christian, but doesn’t actually believe any of it, doesn’t stand firm for anything, and doesn’t bear the fruits of a Holy Spirit sanctification process. (There are cheap grace Catholics too.) Basically, someone like this joins Christianity in the same way that a person joins a country club: just for a social experience and to hang out with folks that they like. Thus, my reference to coffee and doughnuts, 7-11 songs, field trips, and pizza nights. Nothing wrong with any of those things, but if that’s the ONLY reason people go to church, it is cheap grace, IMO. When Jesus paid the price save me from the Hell I desired and deserved, it was NOT cheap. Nor was the price these men paid cheap. I intend to honor both by speaking up for His Name, even when people hate me for it. It’s the least I can do.

            These Christians in this story did NOT join a country club. They are martyrs for the faith (if they are indeed Coptic Christians or “people of the cross”), regardless of their denomination, because they loved Jesus to their deaths. They will have many crowns in Heaven, and I, by comparison, will not be worthy to wash their feet. God bless you, Lisa!

          • Lisa

            Actually I think I am irritating people. I appreciate your taking the time to reply to me.

          • MamaBear

            Amen!

      • MamaBear

        Lisa, this is from an article about these 21 martyrs from Focus on the Family:

        “These young Christians were in their early to mid-20s. They went to Libya in search of work to help feed their families living under the poverty line in Egypt.

        “In the days and weeks leading up to their deaths, their ISIS captors tortured them and attempted to persuade them to deny Jesus in return for living.

        “They all refused to deny Christ.

        “They all died on that beach singing songs to Jesus”

        Here is the source:
        http://jimdaly.focusonthefamily.com/what-the-media-isnt-reporting-on-isis-beheading-of-21-christian-men/
        Hope this answers your questions about their faith.
        Rather than questioning their faith, I think we need to ask if our faith is strong enough to endure the same.

        • Lisa

          At the risk of sounding incorrigible, I would feel better if it came from a secular source with no reason to put a Christian sounding spin on it. Can we die for a lie? I think so. Muslim’s who blow themselves up for the 72 virgins proves it. Can you die thinking you are dying for Jesus when you’re not? Does it really even matter what you practice if you say you’re a Christian? If I go to a church that teaches me things not backed up biblically then what? If all I learn is not biblical though I think it’s ok is that still good? Shall we just call it all good?
          Didn’t the apostles write that grievous wolves would come in and not spare the flock? That they were already working? We are to watch, be on the alert and make sure we are not deceived by wrong practices. Though if you say I have looked at that churches practices and I think it’s wrong you are told your are hateful because we are supposed to all get along and no one can say what anyone else does wrong it’s not Christian. Or we all do wrong things so what does it matter if they have some wrong stuff too? If I go into a church and they tell me that a good Christian is prosperous-shall I stay there and learn from them? If I go into a church where they are rolling in the floor in laughter and falling over in Holy Spirit drunkenness shall I stay there and learn from them? If someone teaches that you just have to say what you want and you’ll get it shall I the stay and learn from them? Or conversely shall I stay and learn fro a church that says Mary is just and maybe more important then Jesus, shall I stay there and learn from them? Is there a true north and shall we strive to find true north? Does it even matter? I am reminded that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump.
          Should I be looking for teaching that is going more north is that even possible? In the end times men will wax worse and worse so I think that we should be like the bereans and question what we do with God’s word. Is it ok to let in a little leaven? Is it ok for me to say that those men died martyred when if I look up what they believe and I’m told it’s like a faith I think is really off in their theology? Should I judge then is it just my holy then thou opinion? I don’t know that those men were Christians and I don’t believe everyone who does in the Middle East to be dying for faith even though they may be Christians. It’s a brutal world over there you may just die because they decide to kill you and that’s it.

          • MamaBear

            No one is asking you to study theology from them. Just honor that they had the courage and faith to die for Jesus. Do you?
            We enter Heaven through faith, through having a saving relationship with Jesus Christ. There is no theology exam to enter Heaven’s gates.

          • Lisa

            It’s horrible how they died but I’m not convinced they died for Jesus. I think theology matters, must just be me.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Wow.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            I really cannot believe how you are groping around to find ANY excuse imaginable to second guess what are 21 cases of genuine Christian martyrdom right in front of your face.

  • gregkliebigsr

    Revelation 20 : 4. And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

    ‘THANK YOU LORD JESUS, FOR BRINGING THESE 21 MEN OF GOD HOME !! PLEASE LORD, GIVE THEIR FAMILIES YOUR PEACE ! THIS WE ASK IN YOUR MIGHTY NAME , AMEN!

  • Amin Ohappo

    just some basic work of the demon behind ‘islam’

  • Coach

    Let’s not forget to pray for the families of these men. Pray also that God changes the hearts of these isis men, who are doing the will of satan. Remember Paul persecuted Christians, Galatians 1:13 “For you have heard of my former conduct in Judaism, how I persecuted the church of God beyond measure and tried to destroy it.” He was converted, so we have a clear view of the power of God to change hearts through Jesus Christ. This saddens me, but I know we can’t simply fold our arms in disgust, we have to go to our knees and pray for the families as I couldn’t imagine their pain and for the men who do these acts, that God would change their hearts and they would preach the faith they are trying to destroy.

  • A Touch of Insanity

    For these brave men…the least I can do is bear witness to their bravery and conviction. God has lifted these men up into his arms. He has told them that their fight is over and He is proud of them. They have gone Home. Though they died at the hands of cowards, I can only hope and pray that we all are as brave as they are, willing to face death instead of betraying our faith. God bless these 21 brave souls and their grieving families.

    • Lisa

      Do you know these things for sure or is it your personal opinion that God has them and what He told them? I’m not sure they were Christians and if not then they aren’t gonna be with Him.

      • Magister_militum_praesentalis

        Yes, they are Christians. Do you not know that there have been Christians in Egypt for over a millennium?

        • Lisa

          I’ve read that the coptics are closer to catholicism then Christainity.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            No, as a fundamentalist, you are applying your anti-Catholic prejudices to create a false dichotomy that does not exist.

            That fundamentalists are coming here and denigrating the faith of martyrs who gave their lives for Christ, all because they associate them with a pejorative strawman of “Catholicism,” is absolutely disgusting.

          • Lisa

            Why is it disgusting, there is a difference between Christianity and catholicism. I’m stating a fact not trying to be mean. I don’t hate catholics but I don’t think of them as Christians either.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Wow, does the cognitive dissonance of fundamentalists know no bounds? You are being hateful towards Catholics when you refuse to consider them Christians because they are Catholic. Stop taking the hateful rhetoric of your preacher as gospel and pick up a credible church history book.

          • Lisa

            I didn’t say anything in a hateful way. I haven’t taken any hateful rhetoric from anyone. I have however studied what catholics believe and have read the Bible. They don’t match up. I don’t need a church history book just the the Bible thank you. Christians believe the Bible is the Word of God and all they need as truth but catholics who try to call themselves Christians will only go so far with the Bible and insist their church history matters as much. I’m sorry but catholics need their church history to legitimize what they do because they sure can’t find it in the Bible.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            No, you are holding an interpretation of the Bible up as “what the Bible plainly says.” It probably means that you are either unable or unwilling to examine what you believe critically in light of actual history. Is there a possibility that what you have been fed by Preacher Billy Bob might not be true?

          • Lisa

            Who’s Billy Bob? The only Billy Bob in the world that I’ve heard of is Billy Bob Thornton who used to be married to Angelina Jolie, otherwise I have no idea who you are talking about. Even though I am a woman I do have a working, thinking brain and my thoughts on this subject are my own-thank you very much! I go by the Bible as it was inspired by God, not church history which is inspired by, let’s face it greedy, power hungry men. Again my own thoughts and not fed by anyone named Billy Bob or otherwise.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            “Billy Bob” was a generic name for preachers since I do not know which ones you have listened to. Your comment about church history here is derived from a populist platitude about history. It does not demonstrate that you have actually read church history and come to an informed opinion about anything.

          • Lisa

            Maybe next time you shouldn’t assume? No my comment is derived from what I set out to study about cathloicism so I know if ya true or not-are catholics Christains. I don’t believe that they are, and so you don’t assume again-I had no opinion either way in it, until I studied it for myself.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            I have assumed nothing. What I have done is go by what you have said so far, which has not shown that your perspective is informed by history or anything else other than trickle-down anti-Catholic prejudices.

          • Lisa

            You’re not a very good reader then, I said I studied this for myself. My perspective is informed by the Bible.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            No, I am a good reader because I recognize that there is a difference between saying that you have studied it for yourself and actually demonstrating how your perspective is informed by it.

          • jmichael39

            “Maybe next time you shouldn’t assume” – Forgive me, Lisa, but you’ve been assuming this entire thread….assuming that just because someone goes to a Catholic church that they can’t possibly be saved. That’s very very assumptive. So maybe its time to back up a little.

          • jmichael39

            While I’ve disagreed with you on other issues, I want to let you know I’ve appreciated how you’ve tried to handle Lisa. While not quite as gentle as Mamabear has been, you’ve shown a great deal of patience with her and have given her both intelligent and wise responses. Thank you.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Thank you. I don’t think she is willing to try to resolve the discussion in any way.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            As for your comments on church history, you are showing the stereotypical ignorance of fundamentalists by deflecting from dealing with historical arguments. It is precisely from this kind of anti-intellectual, ahistorical attitude that so much fundamentalist hate and bigotry comes from.

          • Lisa

            Church history only means something to catholics, it has no meaning to me.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            You are not doing yourself any favors towards dispelling the ignorance with these kinds of statements.

          • Lisa

            Well come on-catholic church history only really matters to catholics,why would it matter to me? Now the Bible does matter to me and I have read it and know some about what it says and have studied it. Next to catholic church history-sorry there is no comparison and there is no equality-the Bible is a stand alone.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            I did not say “catholic church history.” Again, you do yourself no favors when you allow such preconceived notions out into the open.

          • Lisa

            Ok. Since you seem to like disregarding everything I say to fit into your own preconceived notions about me-have a good evening.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            What am I disregarding? I have replied to the details of every one of your posts.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            What are you talking about with “catholic church history?”

            There was a universal Christian church that was around long before the medieval designation of “Roman Catholicism” and the post-Reformation denominational splintering of Protestantism.

            This is exactly why you need to read church history rather than flippantly dismissing it as “catholic” and therefore BAD.

          • MamaBear

            Lisa, that is not true. There were many Christian leaders in the early centuries who are worthwhile to study. Christianity did not stop existing when the ink dried on Revelation, only to start again after the Reformation.
            You are being an embarrassment to fundamentalists.

          • Lisa

            Probably a good thing that I’m not trying to impress fundamentalists. Which leaders?

          • MamaBear

            Polycarp – trained for the ministry under John, martyred for his faith.
            Tertullian – first to use the term Trinity, strong arguments against abortion.
            Many others – Clement of Rome who knew Peter and Paul, Justin, Ignatius, Augustine, and many more.

          • jmichael39

            And that’s just the beginning, Mamabear. Well spoken thread. I’ve been following your comments. You’ve show mercy and grace, while trying to lovingly correct Lisa. Thank you for setting a wonderful example.

          • MamaBear

            You’re welcome and thank you.
            James talks about taming our tongues. I think if he were writing today, he would include what we say with our fingers.

          • lynn

            I will agree that there are practices in the Catholic church that you can’t find in the New Testament. Can you agree that there are some un-scriptural practices in probably all denominational, and non-denominational churches. How about the invitational hymn at the end of the service? Do you read where a song and an invitation to receive Christ was ever mentioned in your bible? Can you find even a hint therein where a lost sinner was ask to repeat somebody elses sinners prayer? Don’t take me wrong. I don’t mean to be rude or to cause about your faith or practice.I just want tou to see that most of us need to clean up our own house before ee say other folks houses are dirty.

          • Lisa

            Well I guess it really all depends on what is edifying and what is deceitful. Is it good or bad to offer an opportunity for someone to come forward and accept Jesus as savior? Is it good or bad to pray to Mary as you would pray to God? The pope says you can’t have Jesus without Mary, is that good or bad? Is it good or bad to offer a prosperity gospel?
            It is good to be discerning so you don’t get taken in by false teachers? I’m not saying they need to clean up their house I believe it’s a false gospel and doesn’t save anyone who practices it, and before you say how can I judge that-are we as Christians supposed to pray to Mary for help? Is she the one sitting at the right hand of the Father-the one who intercedes for us? Yet that is what catholics do when they pray to her and not Jesus. Do we say mormons are Christians because they also have the name of Jesus in their religion? Just because you have the name of Jesus doesn’t mean you have Jesus where He needs to be-as the head. The pope is Gods authority on earth when they call him the vicar of christ. I don’t buy that-he is also infallible-which when we read the Bible we see that all men sin there isn’t one who doesn’t-so that’s false right there. Can I really say that that doesn’t matter and call him my Christian brother? I can’t but maybe you and others can.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            I replied to some of your other comments.

          • Lisa

            I saw them. I feel that we are going around in circles and I’m not interested in doing that.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            I don’t think we were going in circles because of anything that I was doing.

          • Lisa

            Of course not-lol! You want to argue your position with your churches history. I say your church history means nothing to me, yet that’s what you want to argue with. To me that’s like arguing scripture with an atheist. Scripture means nothing to an atheist so to argue using scripture then is counter productive. But without using church history your arguments are a house of cards.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            That was a nice attempt at rhetorical association of me with atheism.

            At any rate, it has been my experience that when fundamentalists demand “Bible only,” they simply declare “nuh uh, it doesn’t say that” when prooftexts are offered, and then proceed to re-interpret the prooftexts to fit their own presuppositions, all without acknowledging that they interpret at all.

          • ELAINE MARZANO

            Hi, good job. I love to watch you work. you are so good at it. That’s why you work for the boss. I love watching all three of you together. What a rude awakening for some people. I have been doing more lately but I don’t like it. You guys know so much more than I do. Maybe that is the way it should be. I wish you would come on my posts or whatever you call it.. I get a lot of crabby people. and women that are usually crazy. oh well I guess that is where I am supposed to be

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            If you take the privacy setting off of your posts I can see them after you post them.

          • ELAINE MARZANO

            ok, did I do it?

          • ELAINE MARZANO

            I am not sure I did it right I told you along time ago you should have married me I would be so smart by this time

          • ELAINE MARZANO

            I thought I did. you are the only one not getting them

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            No, I still cannot see them.

          • ELAINE MARZANO

            it has got to be you. now that is stupid on my part if I get you why don’t you get me . how do you know it is me?

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            I think you need to go to “Settings” in the upper right corner. Then in “Profile” you uncheck the box that says “Keep my profile activity private.” Save it before you leave that screen.

          • ELAINE MARZANO

            Yes sir, I will try that. right now. where have you been for 14 hrs. no wonder I dont know how to do anything,. just kidding, really miss you.

          • MamaBear

            Not all fundamentalists, evangelicals, or other protestants hate Catholics. In fact, most of us are appalled by those who do.
            I disagree with certain Catholic doctrines, but that does not mean I don’t see Catholics as Christian brothers or sisters. There is no theology exam at Heaven’s gates, just entrance through faith in Jesus as our Savior and Lord.

          • MamaBear

            All who believe in Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior are my Christian brothers and sisters, regardless of denomination,”if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. ” Doesn’t say you have to belong to a “Lisa approved” church.
            These men died rather than deny Christ. How much more proof do you need?

          • Lisa

            I didn’t read in the article that they died rather then deny Christ.

          • MamaBear

            So why do you think the ISIS men killed these “people of the cross?” If you lived in the Middle East, you would be aware that at any time your life might be required of you for your faith.
            Let me ask you, if you knew that at any point in time, you ran a high risk of dying for being a Christian, would you have their courage?

          • Lisa

            I think that these people like to fighten and kill non muslims. I don’t think they really care what anyone else believes. Calling them people of the cross doesn’t mean those men are Christians. I think anyone who isn’t a muslim in the Middle East should worry about dying since muslims will kill you or make you pay a tax and treat you like dirt until they eventually kill you for not being a muslim.
            I do believe that one day I may be killed for being a Christian. I am not a pre-tribber, I agree with pre-wrath so I have a very high risk. Will I endure, persevere and overcome and not fall away? I sure pray so!

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            “These people” — what do you mean by that? I would hope that you know that there are Christians in North Africa and the Middle East that have been there for centuries. Their Christian communities were founded by the Apostles and those who were taught by the Apostles.

          • lynn

            It is not for us as Gods children to judge whether their hearts were right or not with God. At the very least they set a good example as how we ought to be willing to give up our lives rather than to deny our faith in Jesus Christ. He gave His perfect, Holy life for our un-worthy souls. Looks to me like they were Christians indeed. I hope I would be faithful enough to give up my fleshly life for the cause of Christ as it looks like these brave souls did. Thats my two cents worth.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            I really do not understand the obstinacy of these people over this.

          • MamaBear

            Nor do I.
            As God told Samuel: ” For the Lord sees not as man sees: man looks on the outward appearance, but the Lord looks on the heart.”
            Gregorian chants or praise songs, stained glass windows or a storefront, kneeling or standing……what God really cares about are humble, obedient, loving hearts.

          • jmichael39

            Frankly, Lisa, while I disagree vehemently with Mag on many issues on this site, I agree with him here. When I see a 12 year girl being beheaded because she refuses reject Christ, I don’t ask about her theology. She’s not going to have to account to Christ for something she got wrong theologically while here on earth. No matter how much you or I or anyone else may think she has to do A, B, C & D in order to be saved, I’m going to stand firm and tell you that none of that matters when someone has a knife to your throat and asking you to reject Christ or die. You can disagree all you want, but those 21 men and any of those who’ve died rather than reject CHrist will be in heaven with Christ. I’m sure if they have some false theologies, Jesus will straighten them out when they get there. Just as He’ll straighten the rest of us Christians out when we get there too. I’m sure we all have more than a few screwed up notions about God.

  • jmichael39

    Rev. 20

    4 I saw thrones on which were seated those who had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony about Jesus and because of the word of God. They[a] had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or their hands. They came to life and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 (The rest of the dead did not come to life until the thousand years were ended.) This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Amen!

  • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

    chritiannews.net has been deleting my posts which are civil and well-reasoned. Why do they allow crass and hostile comments that agree with their point of view but can’t tolerate dissent? I believe in moderating discussions (I moderate my own blog) but moderation and censorship are two entirely different things. Shame on you.

  • Peter Leh

    wait. i thought obama was the muslim?

  • cranemaker

    How wrong for ISIS to murder these defenseless men. Let’s pray these killers are brought to justice for beheading Christians and that God changes their hearts. We should also appreciate our martyrs’ courage even through persecution. It’s evil for Isis to behead Christians and equally wrong when Isis burned a Muslim.

  • Richard Brice

    Hellfire awaits these evil barbaric animals.

  • Kachina

    What is really strange about this statement about Crusaders is our own President just made references to Crusaders! Frightening parallel, uh??