Christian Family of California Teen Jahi McMath Say Doctors Agree Girl Isn’t ‘Brain Dead’

McMathNEWARK, N.J. — The family of a teenage girl who was declared “brain dead” last year following a tonsillectomy and other throat and nasal procedures state that they have obtained declarations from four doctors who agree that her condition does not meet the definition of brain death.

As previously reported, the matter centers around 13-year-old Jahi McMath, who underwent an operation at Children’s Hospital and Research Center in December 2013, as doctors had recommended the operation to help alleviate her sleep apnea, irregular weight gain and urination issues.

But her uncle, Omari Sealey, said that the girl was apprehensive even before going under the knife.

“The worst thing about all of this is that Jahi told my sister, ‘I don’t want to get this surgery; something bad is going to happen. I’m not going to wake up,’” he told CNN.

McMath reportedly asked for a Popsicle following the procedure, advising that her throat hurt. But soon after, the girl’s family knew that something was terribly wrong.

“When she got moved to ICU, there was a 30-minute wait until any family member could go see her,” her grandmother, Sandy Chapman, told reporters. “Upon entry, they saw that there was way too much blood.”

“She had to have four blood transfusions. She had two liters of blood pumped out of her lungs, not including what was in her stomach,” she continued. “There was an enormous amount of blood, and we kept asking, ‘Is this normal?’ Some nurses said, ‘I don’t know,’ and some said, ‘Yes.’ There was a lot of uncertainty and a lack of urgency.”

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When McMath’s oxygen levels then began to fall dangerously low, Chapman called for help. The girl later went into cardiac arrest and was declared brain dead. Days later, doctors pronounced her legally dead and sought to take her off life support.

McMath’s family has been fighting the matter in court ever since. Natasha Winkfield, McMath’s mother, reached an agreement with Children’s Hospital and Research Center, to allow the girl to be transferred out of the hospital. She has been receiving care at an undisclosed location ever since.

But the family says that McMath has made improvements as her MRI shows neurological activity, and that the girl is able to respond to some commands. They have also now obtained four letters from medical professionals stating that McMath is not brain dead.

“The brain structure evidenced in the MRI is not consistent with an MRI of a patient that has been brain dead over nine months,” wrote Charles Prestigiacomo, director of Cerebrovascular and Endovascular Neurosurgery at University Hospital in Newark. “[McMath has] very significant brain injury but she doesn’t meet the criteria for brain dead.”

Neuroscientist Phil DeFina of the International Brain Research Foundation stated that he is considering treating McMath with a drug that could help improve her consciousness. Cuban neurologist Calixto Machado and neurointensivist Ivan Mikolaenko have signed letters as well stating that the teenager cannot be considered brain dead.

The family’s attorney, Christopher Dolan, says that he is therefore going to be filing a request with California’s secretary of state this week to ask him to rescind the death certificate issued for McMath. He told NJ.com that if necessary, he will file a lawsuit so the family can return home as they have been living in New Jersey temporarily, which he says in the only “place where [the hospitals] can’t kill her.” New Jersey has provisions to assist patients whose families do not accept brain death diagnoses as the final answer.

“[Jahi’s mother] has a firm religious conviction that her daughter isn’t dead. You can see the devotion of this mother to her child. This family has given up everything to take care of Jahi,” he said. “All this family wants is to find a way to get by, keep their daughter alive and get her home to California where she can be surrounded by love and prayers because they think that is what’s going to heal her.”


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  • Glynis

    Too bad none of the “doctors” (DeFina isn’t a doctor) actually examined her or performed any of the tests required to determine brain death. An MRI doesn’t show neurological activity. The misinformation in articles like this is astounding.

    • Dawn Welch

      I agree – the number of mistakes in this piece is just wow…

  • Kathy Dreher

    “Christian family…” Lol! Does worshipping MK merchandise and preying on wine bottles count?

  • Martin Edward

    If the family has strong religious beliefs, why don’t they trust in gods plan for jahi?? What is his plan for her??

  • Martin Edward

    The family has given up everything to take care of jahi, but what about their other children??

    • Kathy English

      The other children can’t bring in the bucks. Or not the big bucks.None of the children belong to the stepfather. This wonderful Christian woman has had four children, four different last names. I believe one of them now has a baby of her own. These people are looking for a pay out.

    • Kate Johnson

      Um….that isn’t even true. What have they given up? They don’t live in California, they have their youngest daughter with them. One of the sons is with the father and looks very happy and well taken care of.

      • Martin Edward

        What my question was, according to this article the family’s funds are almost depleted if not already depleted. They’ve spent everything on jahis care. So what about the support, not necessarily financial, but support for the other children. Those kids may look happy, but they still need their parents to be there for them!!

        • Kate Johnson

          What makes you think the other children aren’t collecting state aid for their care?

  • Mary Smith

    Stupid Christian News…this is OLD OLD OLD news. Misleading headline. You dingbats can’t find NEW news to report on? You must rewrite OLD news? Total amateurs.

  • indygeezer

    Why are Christians so afraid of death? You’d think an innocent happy kid would get to go to heaven right? Or do you not *really* believe that?

    • Kate Johnson

      Well Indy, the odd thing here is that the Catholic religion believes in brain death and they accept that Jahi has died. We don’t even know ‘what’ religion these people claim to be. Orthodox Jews are the ones this law was over ruled for in New Jersey. This familly is obviously not Orthodox Jews because they believe in Jesus, and Orthodox Jews do not. I think this family belongs to the church of “If We can pull this off we get the state to pay our expenses and we won’t have to go out and get a job”

    • John Benton

      It depends on your definition of death. Real folks don’t believe in Harvard’s Death Panel Criteria. Is that it?

      • indygeezer

        What the heck are you talking about? “Real folks”? There has to be some definition of death to follow, otherwise we could spend millions, per person, keeping the last strand of intact DNA of the last cell of every person who ever lived forever. If you’re paying that’s OK by me but I get the feeling your mouth is a lot larger than your paycheck. Personally, I would include “being an internet troll” in the death criteria. As dead as Jahi is, she still has a better quality of life than you. Let that sink in.

      • Carl

        Shouldn’t you be off molesting a farm animal or something John/goldenshellback ?

        You lost credibility long before you made this comment on another forum:

        “DocBastard14 October 2014 at 02:58
        I had to delete another trolling comment by GoldenShellback. I won’t bore everyone with the details, but part of it was “I enjoy carnal knowledge with farm animals, cows mostly but sheep are pretty great too.” I don’t have to tell you that the rest of it was even MORE disgustingly offensive.

        Golden, I’m not sure if that comment was meant for another blog and accidentally posted here, but that’s pretty sick stuff. You should probably stop now.”

        …You don’t care about Jahi at all. You just like to argue and garner attention.

  • Kate Johnson

    This article is not completely accurate, but thats not the fault of the reporter. It is the fault of the family who supplies the inaccurate information. It is not uncommon to wait 30 minutes after transfer from one unit to another. Jahi was alive all day into the night so she obviously wasn’t profusely bleeding the entire time. Also, I doubt the liters of blood out of the lungs is accurate. This is the family being crazy.

    • Me Me Me …

      but it makes for a better story that they can post on gofundme and get more $$$$$$ … this family is a bunch of media whore’s who only want the $$$$$$ !!!

  • amrs96

    No one is stopping them from returning to California! They just want the death certificate lifted so they can apply for benefits and get the state tax payers to pay for the upkeep. The state of California is not going to take her child’s body upon re-entry. She accepted full responsibility, she’s got it.

    However if they’re struggling to get by who was paying for her flights back to Oakland in early November? Who was watching her daughter since she never leaves her side?

    • Kate Johnson

      Details…details….Pesky little details……

  • Kate Johnson

    For anyone who really knows how to read and comprehent, the news article says clearly “THE FAMILY OF JAHI McMATH SAYS…………….” What that means folks is just what they said. This is what the family says but they haven’t proven anything by allowing the proper testing to be done and its simple enough to do. They don’t allow it because she IS brain dead still.

  • MKey1

    It cannot be stated enough that, if this family really did have the medical evidence necessary to prove Jahi didn’t die, they wouldn’t need to write letters to a politician in the executive branch to get the death certificate “rescinded.” All they’d need is two licensed neurologists independently examining Jahi at bedside in New Jersey and sending results inconsistent with brain death to the ME who issued the certificate. They’re doing an end run around anyone with medical knowledge precisely because they know full-well their “evidence of life” isn’t what they’re claiming it to be and would never convince any MD reviewing it, so they’re banking on medical ignorance in the people they do approach to win the day for them.

    All 4 of the people who signed these “declarations” aren’t offering their examination findings, which are the only things that actually matter, not their personal opinions about unnecessary ancillary tests. None of them has performed any of the tests required by law. Also, all of them are affiliated with a group that stands to profit tremendously, both in reputation and financially, should Jahi be declared “alive.”

    Oh, and one more thing…it’s been two weeks since Dolan claimed he was going to send a letter to the Cali Secy. of State. Where’s that letter, Mr. Dolan? Were you just blowing smoke and doing PR damage control after the family made the news for failure to pay rent?

    • Kathy English

      I’m clapping and whistling for you from my couch, good job!

    • John Benton

      Mkey: You know damn well that NO mid-brain assessment was ever done on Jahi. Either put up or shut up.

      • Kate Johnson

        He isn’t the one who has to put up or shut up. That would be the family and/or lawyer who wants to reverse the death certificate, which is valid at this point because she is dead. Prove she is not.

        Oh….you can’t, can you????

      • MKey1

        What’s stopping the family from doing any assessment they think will prove their point and then presenting it to independent medical authorities and the court for verification? The responsibility is entirely on them to make their case. Too bad they haven’t or can’t.

        • indygeezer

          Well, one of the big questions about doing a mid-brain study would be the fact that (based on MRI of Jahi’s skull already made public) the whole brain has shrunk significantly and the outer brain replaced with fluid, so would it really be a mid-brain study or would it be more of a remnant-of-whole-brain study? If the latter, is a study really needed? As you can see by comments for John Benton that having only a remnant brain is worse than being dead.

      • RP Jr

        How about YOU put up or shut up. You’re the proven liar here who loves hanging out on dead boards trying to bait people who are just laughing at you. Send your “research” to Dolan and the family and make sure they mention you to the media so we can give you the credit. lulz

        • MKey1

          I’m still waiting to hear the result of that FDG PET John allegedly flew out months ago to personally supervise.

        • Guest

          Aren’t we STILL waiting for Johnny’s credentials?

          • brazen1

            I’m waiting to hear his opinion on canned corn.

    • Bob

      Very well put

  • Me Me Me …

    funny how the family is back in the public … money is drying up again so they are out front and center in the media … they are being sued now for non payment of rent … where has the hundreds of thousands of $$$$ gone from the gofundme site ??

    • catlady

      “where has the hundreds of thousands of $$$$ gone from the gofundme site ??”
      lets see 4 or 5 star restaurants for her steak n lobster with a bottle of wine or 4, Michael kors stores for purses, sunglasses, (sunglasses for the whole family btw including jahi) shoes, whatever she can find that has the MK label on it, tons of bottles of wine to get her drink on.
      did you really expect this so called mother to spend the money these people have donated on what she said she would? roflmao lord no, oh yah don’t forget the new tatt on her arm of jahi

  • patti

    I am offended by the declaration that they are willing to do anything to keep their daughter alive, like the rest of us are ok if it was our child.

    • MKey1

      Apparently they aren’t willing to do ‘anything’. They aren’t willing to do two bedside neurological examinations that could show their claims are true. Guess it’s just not that important to them.

      • allele27

        They won’t do it because — due to their staggering lack of foresight and sechel (Yiddish for “common sense”) they painted themselves into a progressively tinier corner.

        Originally mom seemed understandably shocked, self-blaming and shakily hopeful.
        Then Dolan, the Schindlers, New Beginnings, right-to-lifers, wingnuts, anti-MD factions, pundits, “researchers” and woo-woo “healers” love-bombed or supported them — all for their own p.r./financial agendas.

        Since most of these factions are very “white” and need diversity p.r., they were thrilled to score p.r. points off of an African-American family. They used this family for their own purposes via false hope and enough support to keep Jahi cared for and the family just above water. (A shocked and confused family of any race/ethnicity would have been equally susceptible … but Jahi’s family won this horrible lottery.)

        But as it stands now: Jahi is legally dead in CA and legally dead but getting a statutory pass in NJ.

        The death certif wasn’t rescinded because “aliveness” evidence consisted of crackpottery; and the family allowed no other exams.

        Hopes for a big med-mal award were dashed when (a) CA voters overwhelmingly refused to undo the med-mal pain/suffering cap, and (b) the CA Supreme Court recently refused to review that cap.

        The family has nothing to show for 14 months of digging in — no responsive or resurrected child and no financial “justice” ( if they could prove med-mal at all, which is another story). “No exam” is all they have to preserve illusions and the illusion of control.

  • reneeroseholland

    I’m a Christian and that doesn’t mean I ignore a very large handful of doctors and think if I just continue praying, my brain dead daughter will jump up one day and be fine. I’m not that stupid and ignorant. A medical diagnosis by many physicians can usually tell me what I need to know. Lol. In fact, any Christian NEVER fears death because they know it’s not the end. It is selfish to keep a body hooked up to life support when it’s about the family and NOT the patient. How horrible that Jahi is underage so her parents can do this to her. I feel the same way about Bobbi Kristine. Most young girls in their early 20’s don’t take care of their medical and that’s why Bobby Brown is in charge even though he only saw her 5 times in the last year until all of this. anyways, back on topic: It doesn’t matter if some Christian group says she’s not brain dead. that doesn’t mean they’re correct. It just makes them fools in public for saying so. Prayer means you can get an answer of no as well. Just be cause you pray every hour on the hour, does not mean you’ll have a better outcome.

  • John Benton

    See that folks?

  • John Benton

    Go Roman Catholics! I’m a Roma myself! Let’s destroy Harvard’s Death Panel Criteria once and for all!

    • Kate Johnson

      So, you are now going against the Catholic Church? Its not a death panel, it is the humane thing to do for someone who is dead.

    • allele27

      You’ve also claimed to be Jewish and atheist.

      • John Benton

        HAHA. Roma is a capital not ethnicity genius.

        • allele27

          The Roma people most definitely are an ethnic group.
          The city of Rome isn’t a religion.
          And you’re not Italian.

          • John Benton

            Geez. When someone say I’m a Roma it means from Rome who’s predominant religion is Roman Catholic. Try again.

          • Kate Johnson

            That is wonderful. Then you ACCEPT the diagnosis of brain death, because the Pope, the highest religious person here on earth, does.

          • allele27

            Yes, isn’t that amazing?
            God works in mysterious ways!

          • Kate Johnson

            God is good.

          • allele27

            You’re not from Rome and you’ve claimed to be Jewish, atheist and Catholic in just a few months.
            Also, it’s whose, not “who’s.” (And a city isn’t a who anyway. It’s a which.)

          • John Benton

            You don’t need to worry about me. By the way here:

            Roma refers to:

            Roma people

            No ethnicity.

          • John Benton

            How’s the legal aid busines by the way?

          • allele27

            How are your 10+ imaginary professions, alleged multiple simultaneous residences and false status as an Army, Navy AND Marines veteran?

          • John Benton

            HAHA. That always gets you mad, boy.

          • allele27

            You have a rich fantasy life.

          • John Benton

            And you need a life. lulz

          • allele27

            Nah. Sadly, I simply can’t post that often due to RL.
            Whereas you’ve had multiple usernames and innumerable disq and other accounts every goshdarn place, and you live to post, post, post!

            Posting-wise, one week you’re Jewish … then you hate Israel and make anti-Jewish comments … then you quote some Baptist hymn … then you claim to be Catholic … You’ve simultaneously posted copypaste religious misc in one place and gut-twisting filth in another …
            But hey, it’s your life. Follow your bliss!

          • RP Jr

            HAHA. You always fail. Keep the tears coming.

          • MKey1

            You know you’ve gotten to him bigtime when he starts doing this. It’s damage control mode for him and a feeble attempt to regain a sense of power and control. It’s funny in a sad sort of way.

          • RP Jr

            It shows the depth of his mental issues when he continues to try his stupidity on people that know exactly who he is. Apparently he’s so desperate for some form of contact with the world that he’ll accept the abuse we dish out. I’d feel sad for most other people in that situation but with Johnny it just makes it all the more funny.

          • RP Jr

            Fail retort is fail. Who’d have guessed?

        • Auguti Zauberzeh

          Roma are an ethnicity of Indian origin, living mostly in Europe and the Americas

    • RP Jr

      And you were a jew a month or so ago. What’s next?

      • MKey1

        He lies as easily as he breathes. Roman Catholics don’t call themselves Roma, nor are most of the Roma RC. Most of them are Islamic.

        • RP Jr

          They must not have explained that at whatever site he Googled.

  • John Benton

    First published online in Journal of Intensive Care Medicine, March 31 2014

    Abstract

    The Uniform Determination of Death Act (UDDA) states that an individual is dead when “all functions of
    the entire brain” have ceased irreversibly. However, it has been questioned whether some functions of the
    hypothalamus, particularly osmoregulation, can continue after the clinical diagnosis of brain death. In
    order to learn whether parts of the hypothalamus can continue to function after the diagnosis of brain
    death. We found
    evidence suggesting the preservation of hypothalamic function, including secretion of hypophysiotropic
    hormones, responsiveness to anterior pituitary stimulation, and osmoregulation, in a substantial
    proportion of patients declared dead by neurological criteria. We discuss several possible explanations
    for these findings. We conclude by suggesting that additional clinical research with strict inclusion
    criteria is necessary, and further that a more nuanced and forthright public dialogue is needed, particularly
    since standard diagnostic practices and the UDDA may not be entirely in accord.

    For those with no background in medicine. This citation describes the mid-brain function even after a person has been declared “dead.”

    • Kate Johnson

      So, what has changed? She is still brain dead.

      • John Benton

        Nope. Read the citation again.

        • Kate Johnson

          http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2772257/ here is what you need to go by.

          Did they do a physical exam on Jahi? What has changed??

          • John Benton

            What about the hypothalamic-pituitary function? The one that controls the heart rate, blood pressure, and temperature?

          • Kate Johnson

            Did they do a physical exam on Jahi? What has changed? That is what needs to be done. They can submit those results to the court and get the diagnosis reversed. If they are unwilling to do that, they can not.

            If not, there must be something they are hiding.

          • John Benton

            They did brain-stem death evaluation which has nothing to do with the mid-brain.

          • Kate Johnson

            You didn’t answer the question. Did anyone do the neuro check in person? Its a very simple test actually and I gave you the link. If they won’t do that, then the diagnosis BRAIN DEAD stays.

            Anyway, she is fine where she is. No one is taking her vent off. Mama said she took responsibility. She has it and she’s fine.

          • John Benton

            Neuro check based on brain-stem death evaluation. That’s what they did. It’s incomplete based on UDDA’s death determination law.

          • Kate Johnson

            Obviously you don’t understand how the process works in the United States. You have to do the neuro exam in person; you can’t just use some tests that prove nothing.

            Its really easy. Just get the testing done and bring those new results to the court. If you are right, it’ll be just dandy.

            I really don’t understand why everyone from that family objects to a real doctor examining Jahi in person. You don’t think they are trying to pull the wool over someones eyes now, do you?

          • John Benton

            Obviously you don’t even know the difference between whole brain death and brain stem death. If Dolan would only focus on the difference between those two neurological criteria, he has a chance reversing Jahi’s death certificate.

          • Kate Johnson

            No, the exam still needs to be performed in person and that has not been done. WHY? That is the question.

            You are the one who is confused here. They need a PHYSICAL EXAM that shows she has responses. Do they have that??

          • John Benton

            Well, then the do the hypothalamic-pituitary assesment. Let’s settle this once and for all. Scared?

          • Kate Johnson

            I have no reason to be scared because the test proves NOTHING NOTHING NOTHING.

            She STILL needs the in person neuro exam in order to reverse the diagnosis.

            You have been consistently stupid.

          • Kate Johnson

            If its good enough for the POPE, its good enough for me. He accepts the brain death diagnosis…and he’s the grand poopah of all Catholics.

          • MKey1

            Why do you suppose they haven’t done that, John? There’s absolutely nothing stopping them. Maybe the result isn’t what you predict it will be. People a lot smarter than you have had more than a year to collect whatever evidence they think would prove alleged life, and yet the best they could do wouldn’t reverse the diagnosis.

          • RP Jr

            Obviously the only thing you are good at is being a stupid fail troll with a major case of butthurtitis.

          • Kate Johnson

            Neuro check based on Neuro responses. Thats what they did. Its complete according to the criteria for BRAIN DEATH…which is the diagnosis she was given. Dead.

          • John Benton

            What is your problem? I said WHOLE brain death not the brain-stem. Read the citation again!

          • Kate Johnson

            I don’t have a problem. She has a death certificate and I’m ok with that. YOU seem to be the one with his panties in a twist.

          • MKey1

            Yes, Johnny, you DO see whole brain death when you look at Jahi McMath. Nice of you to admit it.

          • Hekate

            points and laughs at Johnny…..

          • Kate Johnson

            What about the criteria for brain death determination in the United States?

          • allele27

            That’s right. Her mother has full charge of her, someone paid their NJ rent arrears, her mom bought a generator in case the power goes out in a storm, no one is threatening to unplug the vent or cease other medical care, they’ve gotten public and nonprofit donations and support (much more than do most families with lingering medical crises) plus free lawyering, they have a big family network, one parent is able to work full-time if he wishes … so what’s the emergency here?

          • John Benton

            You’re not paying a dime so it’s none of your business.

          • allele27

            Baiting fail.

          • John Benton

            Baiting? You could care less so who needs your opinion?

          • allele27

            Correction: I could NOT care less. (Brush up on your English-language idioms.)

          • John Benton

            could(n’t) care less
            [one is] unable to care at all; it does not matter at all. John couldn’t care less whether he goes to the party or not. I could care less if Ilive or die.

          • allele27

            If you COULD care less then you still care.
            If you COULDN’T care less then you don’t give any damns whatsoever.

            But you don’t understand idioms, for obvious reasons.

          • John Benton

            I just corrected you. lulz

          • Hekate

            Johnny Boy….

          • KenS

            Last time I checked couldn’t was the contraction that stands for could not so you have just said the same thing, you may have meant to say could care less, but what you posted was Could not care less and what John posted was couldn’t care less, both mean the same thing. Maybe you need to brush up on your Grammar.

          • allele27

            He changed his post.

          • KenS

            In that case, i’m sorry for calling you out.

          • RP Jr

            Hmmm, what’s that mean coming from someone who NO ONE listens to. lulz

          • Auguti Zauberzeh

            getting frustrated?you mad?

          • Kate Johnson

            Neither is the family, so does that mean its none of theirs?

          • MKey1

            Oh? How do you know that? Are you privy to all the sources of income and support this family has and know what social programs they are or aren’t on? I call BS.

          • Hekate

            He won’t answer the question, don’t bother with Johnny Boy. Just point and laugh at his stupidity.

          • MKey1

            He’s throwing a tantrum because the medical community and the courts won’t use HIS unvalidated definition of brain death and the tests HE thinks are “better” than what the medical consensus, research, and the law requires.

          • Kate Johnson

            Yet, he can’t even say what the changes in Jahi are.

          • MKey1

            They did all the tests required by law and then some that weren’t even needed or required, and not one of those tests disagreed with their diagnosis. The same cannot be said for Winkfield and Dolan. They’re avoiding the tests required by law like the plague. Why do you suppose that is?

          • Jules

            Ok what about anencephalic newborns. Are they “alive”? they are not technically brain dead because of the brain stem. Most families choose to terminate but some religious mothers choose to carry to term. All they have are brain stem functions and nothing else. They are considered a medical futility for any extraordinary measures and are allowed natural death. In Jahi’s case she is almost the opposite. She has been declared brain dead with no functioning brain stem but according to an mri might have some pieces of the brain still functioning on some level. Keeping her alive by extra ordinary measures a year later is unprecedented and definitely medical futility. The hypo pit function is only for releasing hormones that help control heart rate, blood pressure and temp but the brain stem does it autonomic. In the UK brain stem death is “death” and mechanical ventilator is ceased. I’m not from there but I believe that too. That’s why babies with only brain stems are allowed to die naturally.

        • MKey1

          Name one function of the brain she retains and your evidence for claiming she retains it. Re your citation, Dolan and family have presented no objective evidence of any retained hypothalamic function in Jahi They’ve just ALLEGED there’s retained function, just as you’re now doing, and frankly, that’s not enough to believe them. They have a history of misinterpreting and misrepresenting things.

          • John Benton

            The hypothalamus which regulates the pulse, blood pressure, and temperature. HA!

          • MKey1

            “Ha what? Ha, you like to make claims without evidence and then think you’ve won a point? Nobody here is surprised by that. Not so fast, fool. Your claiming it doesn’t make it so. Post actual objective evidence that shows:
            1) Jahi’s regulating her own temperature and not having it done for her by external means. Serial temperature readings with and without provocative environmental changes will be needed for starters.
            2) Jahi’s regulating her own BP. Give medical record evidence of lack of need for pressor drugs and evidence of autonomic regulation kicking in with position changes. Controlled, serial measurements made by an unbiased professional before and after neuroendocrine blockade will need to be submitted.
            3) Evidence Jahi’s pulse rate is being regulated by a brain function. You’ll need ECG tracings with evidence of responsiveness to neuroendocrine activity, blood evidence of the pertinent neuroendocrine peptides, and evidence of loss of alleged “responsiveness” with blockade. You’ll also need to show evidence that rules out intrinsic activity changes, heart-produced peptides, and mechanical stretch receptors as the initiators of any documented variability.

            When you’ve collected and posted the needed evidence, if it shows what you claim is true, we’ll take you seriously. Until then, nope.

  • John Benton

    I’ll go ahead and forward this study to Team Jahi. Hopefully, Dolan can include this into their BD reversal argument. 30 million dollah!

    • Kate Johnson

      You go right ahead and do that. He can keep on wasting his own time and money on this. Keeps him out of trouble.

      • John Benton

        Look, I don’t think anyone has really focused on the difference between whole brain death and brain-stem death in this case. They have to be informed.

        • Kate Johnson

          You are not focusing on the fact that no one has examined this girl in person. That is the only way to prove anything.

          • John Benton

            That study was done last year. It’s new. It’s a valid argument.

          • Kate Johnson

            Did they examine her in person?

          • John Benton

            Is that the only problem?

          • Kate Johnson

            That is the BIG issue here. She fails the test. She is brain dead.

          • Suse

            It’s a HUGE problem, John, and you know it.

          • MKey1

            No, it’s not the ONLY problem, but it is a huge and insurmountable problem when it comes to their claims of alleged life.

          • Kate Johnson

            Does she have any brain stem reflexes? Does she have any response in her eyes? Does she feel any pain? Can she breathe on her own or have any response to the apnea test?

          • John Benton

            Brain reflex equals brain-stem. Try again.

          • Kate Johnson

            Does she have any response?

          • John Benton

            Again, brain-stem criteria.

          • Kate Johnson

            Is there a RESPONSE???

          • John Benton

            With brain-stem death there will be no response. Now ask me about the mid-brain.

          • Kate Johnson

            If you drop a bowling ball on her face….will there be a response?

          • John Benton

            Another brain-stem reflex. Try again.

          • Kate Johnson

            SHE FAILED

          • John Benton

            Brain-stem neurological criteria? Yes, but where’s the mid-brain assessment?

          • Kate Johnson

            Brain death is legal death and accepted by the Catholic Church. What religion is this family?

          • John Benton

            You mean whole brain death per UDDA. That’s the law.

          • Kate Johnson

            You still need a IN PERSON NEURO exam. Come back when you get that.

          • Kate Johnson

            No, thats not the law for brain death.

          • Jules

            just because the mid brain produces some hormones doesn’t mean she is alive… If some cells somewhere in her brain produce something does that mean she is alive? that she’ll wake up? that she’ll ever be aware of anything. She cannot function without a working brain stem. And the brain stem is obliterated on the mri.

          • Kate Johnson

            Jules, the irony here is that he can’t even prove there are hormones produced.

          • MKey1

            That’s why Matron Winnie’s Simpsons poster above is so very apt. All somebody can do is point and laugh.

          • John Benton

            Well, if that is the case, then you need to change UDDA’s definition of brain death. Go ahead.

          • Auguti Zauberzeh

            you fail

          • MKey1

            He almost always does.

          • Suse

            Will she respond to the ice water test? It’s easy and it doesn’t cost a cent.

          • Kate Johnson

            Ok. Lets put you and Jahi side by side on stretchers. I’ll drop a bowling ball on both of your faces from 3′. I will do a comparison study.

          • Matron Winnie

            Can I help you drop the bowling ball on Johnny’s head? It might knock some common sense into him.

          • John Benton

            You’re not American.

          • MKey1

            Don’t need to. All the doctors have to prove is brain stem death for someone to be declared brain dead by law, because the state of brainstem death is incompatible with life.

          • Kate Johnson

            Absence of pupillary response to a bright light is documented in both eyes.
            Absence of ocular movements using oculocephalic testing and oculovestibular reflex testing. Movement of the eyes should be absent during 1 minute of observation. Both sides are tested, with an interval of several minutes.
            Absence of corneal reflex. Absent corneal reflex is demonstrated by touching the cornea with a piece of tissue paper, a cotton swab, or squirts of water. No eyelid movement should be seen.
            Absence of facial muscle movement to anoxious stimulus.
            Absence of the pharyngeal and tracheal reflexes. The pharyngeal or gag reflex is tested after stimulation of the posterior pharynx with a tongue blade or suction device. The tracheal reflex is most reliably tested by examining the cough response to tracheal suctioning. The catheter should be inserted into the trachea and advanced to the level of the carina followed by 1 or 2 suctioning passes.

          • John Benton

            Those are brain-stem reflexes. Try again.

          • Kate Johnson

            DOES SHE RESPOND is what I am asking. She needs the test in order to reverse the decision. Thats the rule and that will make the determination.

          • John Benton

            Another function of the brain-stem.

          • Kate Johnson

            And NO, you can’t reverse the diagnosis with tests. You have to do the NEURO exam in order to qualify for the bonus round.

          • Suse

            She has to have had neuro tests at some point during her stay at St. Peter’s. Of course, the findings will never be brought to light, because then this scam would be over.

          • Kate Johnson

            Valid argument for who? You are the only one here complaining that she has a death certificate. I’m ok with it. I think its appropriate.

  • John Benton

    [Hypothalamic pituitary function in brain death patients–from blood pituitary hormones and hypothalamic hormones].
    [Article in Japanese]
    Arita K1, Uozumi T, Oki S, Ohtani M, Taguchi H, Morio M.
    Author information

    Abstract
    According to the report of the Health and Welfare Ministry’s research committee on brain death (1985), “brain death is defined as an irreversible cessation of the total brain function including brain stem.” However, in brain death patients, whether the hypothalamic function which belongs to the brain stem function has completely ceased or not is unknown. In order to evaluate the hypothalamic function in brain death patients, the blood levels of the pituitary hormones and hypothalamic hormones were measured, and anterior pituitary stimulation test with triple bolus injection (TRH 500 micrograms, LH-RH 100 micrograms, regular insulin 0.3-0.7 unit/kg) was performed. The subjects were 13 brain death patients whose clinical states fully satisfied the criteria proposed by the committee. 1) The average blood levels of anterior pituitary hormones in these brain death patients were within normal range, and that of growth hormone was more than the twice of the normal level. 2) The blood anterior pituitary hormones were detectable in almost all cases even several days after the diagnosis of the brain death. 3) LH reserve was maintained in three cases. FSH reserve was maintained in three cases. Prolactin reserve was maintained in two cases. TSH reserve was maintained in one case. 4) Blood ADH (antidiuretic hormones) were detectable in 7 cases out of 9 cases. The blood ADH level of one case, in particular, was rather high (above 10 pg/ml). 5) Histopathologically anterior pituitaries were examined in three autopsy cases. The central necrotic areas were observed in all cases, but normal pituitary tissues existed peripherally. And all anterior pituitary hormones could be recognized immunohistochemically. 6) The blood levels of the hypothalamic hormones (GRF, CRF, LH-RH) were measured in four cases. The hypothalamic hormones were detectable in all cases. In one case, the levels of GRF were within normal range even 9 or 15 days after the diagnosis of brain death.(ABSTRACT TRUNCATED AT 250 WORDS)

    • John Benton

      Here’s one done in Japan.

    • Kate Johnson

      I clearly says the person is brain DEAD. “However, in brain death patients, whether the hypothalamic function which belongs to the brain stem function has completely ceased or not is unknown.” They don’t say the person is alive. FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!

      • MKey1

        Okay. Let me get this straight. John wants to use research about a handful of patients (13), some of whom had some degree of continuing hypothalamic function lasting a few hours up to 15 days after their brain death diagnosis, as his basis for claiming Jahi Mcmath, who hasn’t even had any of these tests done on her, let alone shown documented positive results, is still alive over a YEAR after her own brain death diagnosis? That’s downright laughable.

        • Kate Johnson

          Yes, thats right. He also doesn’t seem to want to understand that they still need to have someone examine her in person. He seems to be against that. I’m pretty sure its because nothing has changed and she is very much brain dead.

        • John Benton

          Let me ask this. Have they performed hypothalamic-pituitary evaluation on here? The answer is NEGATIVE. What brain death neurological criteria did they use to examine her? The answer is brain-stem death neurological criteria. Is the whole-brain death criteria the same as brain-stem death criteria? The answer is NOPE with a capital “N.” What is the exact definition of “brain death” per UDDA’s death determination law? It states:

          “An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions, or (2) irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem, is dead. A determination of death must be made in accordance with accepted medical standards.”

          Did you see numbah 2? Keywords: Irreversible. All functions. Entire brain.

          So what’s the problem?

          • MKey1

            Claims require evidence. If the family wants to allege there’s a function preserved, they have to test for it and demonstrate it with objective evidence. What function of the brain has been documented by objective evidence to exist in Jahi? State what specific function it is and what objective test was done to prove that function exists. And since you seem dumb enough to go there, let me just point out in advance that having any degree of bloodflow in an area is not clinical demonstration of any specific function of the organ involved, and neither is the physical presence of tissue on an MRI.

    • Auguti Zauberzeh

      you fail

  • RP Jr

    Poor johnny the fail troll still can’t find a home or sheeple to follow him. Just in case anyone comes in who doesn’t know who you are, lets let them know.

    John Benton is a fail troll who makes death threats and posts pics of dead babies when he gets mad. He will claim any profession at any time to try and make himself important. He has claimed 10+ professions in the last year. Everything he is posting is from Google because he can’t come up with anything on his own and he fails at Google too. Don’t take his bait, just point and laugh(make fun of him).

    • Matron Winnie

      Some things never change. Jahi is still dead and Johnny Boy is still a fail troll.

    • Guest

      You mean like this?

      • indygeezer

        No your g/f. not your baby pic. Dolt.

    • John Benton

      Here.

      • RP Jr

        Nice selfie johnny. Where’s your blow up girlfriend?

  • OCRazor

    This is abuse of a corpse.

    Send the family to see Frozen and “Let her go”!

  • John Benton

    Here’s what I think happened to Jahi. Laryngospasm: When Jahi’s was bleeding, blood entered the vocal cords and they reflexively closed, resulting in acute upper airway obstruction.

    • Auguti Zauberzeh

      hahaha

      • John Benton

        Self-explanatory. I agree.

    • Guest

      Wow…you really DON’T have a life!

      • John Benton

        I could buy your life. lulz

        • Guest

          You don’t want it, trust me.

          • John Benton

            You don’t get it. Never mind.

          • Guest

            Actually, I do.

          • John Benton

            By cowardly using guest?

          • Guest

            You see it as cowardly, I see it as being anonymous.

            Not that I care what YOU think about me anyway!

          • RP Jr

            Like you use your real name? lulz eediot

          • allele27

            How can you say such a thing? His real name — on Jahi sites alone — is John Johnny Johnty Mark Armellino Bandana Benton, for starters … plus Guest (after he posts vile indecency and then tries to hide).

          • Guest

            Me?

          • allele27

            Nooo, not you.
            Historically, Benton will post horrible trash and then try to delete it — which leaves the post on disqus but strips his name from it and attributes it to “Guest.”
            Disqus allows for multiple “Guest” IDs, so it can get confusing … but I’m pretty sure that we can discern you from J B.
            😉

          • Guest

            Ah, I was worried for a moment! 😀

          • Jess Slater

            its eric.

    • RP Jr

      Here’s what I think happened to John Benton. He’s blown up so many sexdolls that he’s lost most of his brain cells.

    • RP Jr

      of course a year ago you claimed to KNOW what happened as you were there and have seen the medical records. More lies? Say it ain’t so.

      • MKey1

        And he’s only gone through…what…maybe 20 or 30 medically different claims of what he’s ‘sure’ happened.

        • allele27

          It’s complicated. Poor fella can’t even keep track of his simultaneous three religions, one unreligion, multiple contrasting racial/ethnic/political groups, 10+ jobs or myriad usernames.

          • John Benton

            Roma refers to. 1. Roma people; 2 Places; 3 Roman Empire. Not religion. lulz

    • MKey1

      It’s not about what you think. It’s about what you can prove. And so far, that’s nothing.

    • indygeezer

      lol. severe disability is having clam pheces for brains, like you. Jahi is dead. It actually doesn’t really matter what the exact process that killed her is, since most of the evidence is lost now we will most likely never now (of course you would never know even with the evidence, because reality isn’t something that applied in your universe).

    • allele27

      A disability is “a physical or mental impairment that substantially limits one or more major life activity”/activities.

      When you have no brain-stem function, lack any discernible life activity, have no volitional unregrowable brain parts left and can function only as an artificially-ventilated photo prop, you are, unfortunately, dead.

  • John Benton

    1. On the left is Jahi’s MRI performed at Rutgers University.

    2. On the right is a normal MRI showing the location of the hypothalamus with an arrow.

    It appears that Jahi’s hypothalamus remains to be intact even after more than a year of being declared “dead.” If that is the case then Jahi’s brain death diagnosis would be a contradiction of UDDA’s brain death determination law which states that:

    “An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions, or (2) irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem, is dead.”

    Key phrases: 1. Irreversible. 2. All functions. 3. Entire brain.

    One should realize the the conceptual idea of whole brain death, the whole brain cannot be proven to be dead as assessed by bedside brain-stem examination alone. Sadly, that was the ONLY test performed on Jahi. A cotton swab. A flashlight. A glass of cold water. Those are the “equipment” needed in declaring someone “dead.” Never mind the preserved hypothalamic function. Never mind if the brain is regulating temperature. Never mind if she’s maintaining her own blood pressure. And never mind if the brain is controlling the heart rate. She is dead according to Harvard’s Death Panel Criteria invented in 1968.

    • Auguti Zauberzeh

      still,

      • MKey1

        OUTSTANDING!!!

    • MKey1

      Hey, ‘genius’, you can’t tell whether an organ is intact by looking at one slice of an MRI, and even if tissue appears to be physically present, you can’t discern whether it is functioning from an MRI…at least not the type of MRI done on McMath.

      • allele27

        You set too high a bar.
        Heck, I’d consider it an intelligence breakthough if Benton could tell the difference between a citation and an abstract.

        • MKey1

          Or an opinion and objective evidence.

          • allele27

            We must be patient. He has a vocational-therapy job packing lightbulbs. He’s still trying to discern between incandescents, CFLs and LEDs.

          • indygeezer

            Unfortunately by “packing” he though that meant shoving up his rear and the mercury in the CFLs caused severe “disability”.

          • John Benton

            Didn’t you say I was collecting cans and bottles? HAHA. I’m the only one that can get your panties in a bunch. The only one that can make you act in an anal-retentive manner. HAHA!

          • Guest

            The only things worth laughing about in here…are your comments. Haha!

    • Guest

      You REALLY need a life beyond this…

      • allele27

        That’s impossible.

    • Auguti Zauberzeh

      this MRI shows that Jahi cannot possibly hear,even though her Mother claims she can follow commands

      • MKey1

        It also shows she cannot make volitional motor responses for a variety of reasons. Details. Details.

        • allele27

          The MRI looks like Cup ‘O’ Soup minus the ‘O’ Soup.

          • John Benton

            Mkey ignored you. lulz

          • RP Jr

            Unlike you we don’t require replies to validate our existence.
            So sad for you. I still laugh at you though.

    • Kate Johnson

      So, have they done an in person neuro exam yet and has she passed? Is there any response at all? That is the ONLY way to prove anything, and yet, that has not been done.

      • John Benton

        Neuro exam is done to evaluate the brain-stem. It doesn’t evaluate the mid-brain’s function.

        • Kate Johnson

          So, you’re saying she is still brain dead then.

          • John Benton

            No. I’m saying they never evaluated her mid-brain’s function.

          • Kate Johnson

            They did the test to determine brain death. Thats all that is required.

          • MKey1

            He’s saying he doesn’t know what he’s talking about if he thinks a neurological exam only evaluates the brainstem. I doubt he could even name the parts of a full neuro exam (without Googling).

  • RP Jr

    Lulz

  • RP Jr

    Hey johnny, If your supposed spendthrift trust could buy a life like you said below, what are you waiting on?

    • allele27

      Because it’s actually a supplemental-needs trust for the mentally incapacitated.
      😉

      • John Benton

        Survey says civil legal aid lawyers still lowest-paid in legal profession.
        According to new statistics from the National Association for Law Placement (NALP), civil legal aid lawyers are still the lowest paid members of the entire legal profession, earning less than public defenders, many other public interest lawyers and in most instances far less than their counterparts in the private sector. Civil legal aid lawyers earn a median salary of $42,000 a year – less than local prosecutors, public defenders and lawyers at public interest organizations.

        allele27: If you’re jealous of those with more money, don’t just sit there and complain. Do something to make more money yourself. Quit your job as a legal aid “boss” and be a real attorney. A trial attorney. HAHA!

        • allele27

          So sad for them.

          • Kate Johnson

            Well, actually they have a profession and they have to start somewhere, right? At least they are working and not living off the backs of others like SOME families.

          • allele27

            I didn’t mean to be so arch re: legal aid attorneys — only re: JB.

            The legal-aid attys I’ve known have been truly dedicated, superqualified workhorses, many of whom passed up BigLaw jobs to serve the underserved. I’ve been awed by their savvy in dealing with robotic bureaucracies and their pragmatic heartfulness in serving clients. Although my personality/skills don’t mesh with legal aid, I’m glad and humbled that others’ do, and I donate accordingly.

          • Kate Johnson

            I didn’t take it that way. I meant it to John as well. He poo poos my job because I now work in a nursing home as a supervisor but I will say that even those people deserve kindness, nursing care and to be treated with dignity. Does he think my job less because I care?

          • allele27

            Thanks.
            I know topnotch lawyers. MDs, RNs, NPs et al whose hearts/ethics impelled them to serve the underserved and those who are too-oft-disrespected due to race, ethnicity, disability, age, et al. I can’t come close to their efforts, but do my best via pro-bono + eldercare/hospice volunteering and advocating for folks who fall into the cracks.

            JB doesn’t get this since he lacks a profession, an ethic, a heart, and real-world experience.

          • John Benton

            Let’s see. I’ve been to Australia (Perth), Mombasa (Kenya), Pusan also spelled Busan, South Korea, Tokyo, Japan, Rome, Italy, Paris, France, Amsterdam, Netherlands, London, UK, Colombo, Sri Lanka for for cheap rubies, Boracay Calypso Diving Resort, Philippines, Pattaya Beach, Thailand. Real-world experience there. lulz

          • Kate Johnson

            You forgot to mention the many psych centers…….

          • John Benton

            I forgot. Been to Hawaii several times on weekends. (Waikiki)

          • John Benton

            You did say “so sad for them.”

        • RP Jr

          Survey says you are still a butthurt fail troll.

        • RP Jr

          Survey says you still have a bad case of butthurtitis.

  • brazen1

    really? you repost something that was debunked back in October and you expect to be taken seriously?

    at this point, considering I haven’t seen any pictures that can be demonstrated to have been taken recently – and by “recently” I mean less than half a year old – I’m not sure I even believe her heart is still beating.

    • John Benton

      Tell me the difference between whole brain death and brain-stem death.

      • Kate Johnson

        Since you’re the one with the problem you tell us. Tell us what responses she has on the neuro test today that she did not have when she was declared brain dead. What has changed? What are the improvements?

        • John Benton

          So what’s the difference?

          • Kate Johnson

            You are trying to prove that she is not brain dead, correct?

          • John Benton

            Not exactly.

          • RP Jr

            Just like you’re not exactly a clinician or lawyer. lulz.

          • allele27

            Which is like not exactly being pregnant.

      • MKey1

        Why? You wouldn’t understand it if he did. So why should he waste his time on you?

        • John Benton

          So what’s the difference?

  • Kate Johnson

    Neurological criteria consist of four key signs: coma or
    unresponsiveness, absence of cerebral motor responses to pain in all
    extremities, absence of brain stem reflexes, and apnea.

    • John Benton

      You forgot brain-stem neurological criteria.

      • RP Jr

        You forgot to buy a brain and a life.

      • RP Jr

        You forgot Google(and the rest of the planet) is not your friend.

      • MKey1

        No, she didn’t, which just goes to show how little you understand this subject.

  • John Benton

    MKey: I’m sure Jahi would have developed DI by now. How do you explain that?

    Neurology. 1984 Sep;34(9):1243-6.

    Diabetes insipidus accompanying brain death in children.

    Outwater KM, Rockoff MA.

    Abstract

    Diabetes insipidus (DI) developed in 14 of 16 children who satisfied criteria for brain death. The occurrence of DI after an hypoxic/ischemic insult may represent midbrain death and seems to be a clinically useful sign in the diagnosis of brain death in children. In two patients, DI resolved spontaneously; these patients and children without DI may have had small areas of residual cerebral blood flow and brain function.

    The hypothalamus contains a large number of nuclei and fiber tracts. The cells in the two major nuclei secrete vasopressin (ADH, antidiuretic hormone), oxytocin, and CRH (corticotropin releasing hormone). The two major nuclei are the supraoptic and paraventricular nuclei.

    • Kate Johnson

      John, what are you saying here, as its confusing. What is it that you want Mkey to explain?

      • RP Jr

        He wants Mkey to explain why he won’t return the love.

      • MKey1

        Maybe this is new information to him. That DI occurs in brain death isn’t new information to anyone who has been in the medical profession for any length of time. That Jahi McMath suffered DI when her brain died is also not anything new. It’s documented in the publicly released medical records. Maybe John didn’t read them or just didn’t understand what he was reading.

    • Kate Johnson

      Mr Benton, if you will read the Declaration of Paul Byrne, MD, signed and dated 12/30/13 you will see that Ms. McMath was being treated for Diabetes Insipidus and it goes on to say that it suggestive of hypothalamic death. You can find the document here on around page 42. http://thaddeuspope.com/images/Mcmath_ND_Cal_12-30-13_.pdf

      • John Benton

        Based on the declaration of Dr. Ivan Mikolaenko, Jahi’s MRA showed return of cerebral blood flow which was restored some time after the event. If that is the case then that could explain why Jahi’s DI spontaneously resolved.

        • RP Jr

          Still digging your hole deeper. Keep proving me right. I’ll keep laughing.

          • John Benton

            It’s very simple. If Jahi’s hypothalamus is dead, I’ll agree that Jahi’s whole-brain is dead. If not then she does not fit the criteria.

          • indygeezer

            you mean she can breath on her own? That being the criteria and all.

          • John Benton

            Apnea is the lack of brain-stem reflex not the whole bbrain.

          • RP Jr

            And you definitely know about lacking a whole brain. lulz

          • indygeezer

            So if the fungus under Jahi’s toenail is alive that makes Jahi alive? There’s such an absurdity in your thinking it would be comical if it weren’t so diagnostic of deep issues in your cognitive abilities.

          • John Benton

            Just read UDDA’s brain death determination. It’s clear as day.

          • RP Jr

            And you’re still stupid.

          • indygeezer

            you mean the determination Jahi failed so many times?

          • indygeezer

            why haven’t you paid to do a PET 324PFGE TE-43 re-uptake study yet? are you broke or just uncaring?

          • John Benton

            I’ll agree her brain stem is dead but not the whole brain.

          • RP Jr

            As opposed to your whole brain being dead? lololol

          • indygeezer

            so?

          • John Benton

            She does not fit the criteria of UDDA’s determination of death which is law.

          • indygeezer

            you mean she passes the apnea test?

          • RP Jr

            The medical community disagrees. You lose.

          • Kate Johnson

            If its ‘law’ then there wouldn’t be a problem, now, would there? You can’t prove she does not fit the criteria. Does she respond at all? Did someone physically examine her and do the neuro test?

          • RP Jr

            Too bad that still makes you a tard.

          • MKey1

            That’s the dumbest thing you’ve said yet this evening in a host of dumb things.

        • indygeezer

          I could just as easily, and accurately, be attributed to alien spacecraft intervention. You don’t actually know anything do you?

          • John Benton

            Read the declaration.

          • indygeezer

            I’ll read a diagnosis, not a declaration. And one from someone who’s not got money to be made from the results.

          • John Benton

            Fisher is not even a brain death expert. Read his CV.

          • indygeezer

            Next time I see a beheaded corpse I’ll be sure to get a brain death specialist just to make sure,

          • RP Jr

            It’s not required. At least he is a real doctor.

          • John Benton

            He treats brain tumors and pediatric oncology. lulz

          • RP Jr

            And you use google. lulz

          • John Benton

            He’s not exactly a brain-death expert like Shewmon.

          • RP Jr

            You’re not exactly the a clinician or lawyer. lulz

          • indygeezer

            Shewmon is def. an expert. Ex for has-been and Spurt for drip-under-pressure.

          • MKey1

            The family, the hospital, and the court all agreed he had the necessary expertise to examine as an expert and testify in court as one. So, too bad. You lose on that claim.

        • Kate Johnson

          How do we know she has function? Did they do the appropriate testing on that?

        • MKey1

          What evidence do you have that she no longer has DI? Be specific.

      • MKey1

        Why thank you, Kate.

    • RP Jr

      Poor johnny, still too stupid to realize google isn’t your friend. And so totally proven wrong by Kate.

  • RPColtrane

    About the UDDA:

    The Uniform Determination of Death Act (UDDA) is a piece of model legislation (non-binding statutory text meant to serve as a guide for state lawmakers), adopted nationwide, that provides a more concrete definition of death for legal purposes. – See more at: http://healthcare.findlaw.com/patient-rights/what-is-the-uniform-declaration-of-death-act-or-udda.html#sthash.Qwz0pnYv.dpuf

    This Act is silent on acceptable diagnostic tests and medical procedures. It
    sets the general legal standard for determining death, but not the medical criteria for
    doing so. The medical profession remains free to formulate acceptable medical
    practices and to utilize new biomedical knowledge, diagnostic tests, and equipment.

    Poor johnny loses at google yet again.

    • John Benton

      You forgot to include this:

      The UDDA offers two definitions for when an individual may legally be declared dead.

      Irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions;

      or Irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem.

      • RPColtrane

        And you show again your reading comprehension sucks. I win again.

        • John Benton

          lulz. “all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem.”

          • RPColtrane

            Which obviously shows you have no function. I’m still winning. Keep proving me right.

          • John Benton

            Irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem. If you want to re-write the law, go ahead.

          • RPColtrane

            I’m the one who actually understands what I read and know what a law is and what a statute is. Keep trying. I’m still winning. Continuing to say the same thing won’t make it any less wrong or you any less stupid.

          • John Benton

            I don’t want your interpretation of the law. I want the exact print of what was written in 1981.

          • RPColtrane

            And the second paragraph above came from that. tard

          • John Benton

            Interpretation is different from the actual draft.

          • RPColtrane

            And that makes your interpretation meaningless. lulz

          • John Benton

            You posted Find Law’s interpretation. It’s not the actual draft of the law.

          • RPColtrane

            And again, the second paragraph is directly from the udda. Keep up the fail It’s amusing.

          • John Benton

            President’s Commission for the Study of Ethical
            Problems in Medicine and Biomedical and
            Behavioral Research

            To embody these conclusions in statutory form the
            Commission worked with the three organizations which had
            proposed model legislation on the subject. the American Bar
            Association, the American Medical Association, and the National
            Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws. These
            groups have now endorsed the following statute, in place of their
            previous proposals:

            Uniform Determination of Death Act
            An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible
            cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions, or (2)
            irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain,
            including the brain stem, is dead.

          • RPColtrane

            I love being right. All you are doing is proving you can’t read the whole thing. lulz

          • John Benton

            You won’t find findlaws interpretation on the actual draft.

          • RPColtrane

            This Act is silent on acceptable diagnostic tests and medical procedures. It
            sets the general legal standard for determining death, but not the medical criteria for
            doing so. The medical profession remains free to formulate acceptable medical
            practices and to utilize new biomedical knowledge, diagnostic tests, and equipment.

          • John Benton

            Is that included on the President’s Commission on defining death? I don’t see it. I have the entire draft in front of me.

          • Kate Johnson

            Using medical criteria, which is how they do things there in old California…..DOES SHE PASS THE NEURO EXAM???

          • MKey1

            Again, name a FUNCTION of the brain that is demonstrably preserved in Jahi McMath. You can’t.

          • MKey1

            Your interpretation isn’t any part of the law.

          • KitKat

            He suffers from Delusions of Grandeur.

          • MKey1

            John didn’t pass reading comprehension 102. He barely scraped by RC 101 with a D-.

          • Kate Johnson

            You lose. Do not pass GO.

          • Kate Johnson

            It is you who is trying to dance around the law by not doing a neuro exam. It is required.

          • MKey1

            Name a FUNCTION of the brain that has been demonstrated to be preserved in Jahi McMath with objective evidence.

          • RPColtrane

            He has to google objective evidence first.

          • MKey1

            Looks like he failed. He didn’t offer any in his response above…probably because there is none to offer, and he knows it, or he’d be citing it.

      • Kate Johnson

        UDDA is a guide, not the law. Try Again!!!!!

        • John Benton

          “Legislation.”

          • RPColtrane

            Says the med mal investigator. lulz More proof and I win again. lulz

          • Kate Johnson

            The Uniform Determination of Death Act (UDDA)
            is a piece of model legislation (non-binding statutory text meant to
            serve as a guide for state lawmakers), adopted nationwide, that provides
            a more concrete definition of death for legal purposes.

          • John Benton

            CALIFORNIA CODES HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE SECTION 7180

            7180. (a) An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions, or (2) irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem, is dead. (b) This article shall be applied and construed to effectuate its general purpose to make uniform the law with respect to the subject of this article among states enacting it. (c) This article may be cited as the Uniform Determination of Death Act.

            LAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • RPColtrane

            This Act is silent on acceptable diagnostic tests and medical procedures. It
            sets the general legal standard for determining death, but not the medical criteria for
            doing so. The medical profession remains free to formulate acceptable medical
            practices and to utilize new biomedical knowledge, diagnostic tests, and equipment.

            Try again tardo.

          • John Benton

            That’s not California Code 7180.

          • RPColtrane

            So? It still applies. Your wanting to make it different doesn’t change how stupid you are

          • John Benton

            Interpretation is not law.

          • Kate Johnson

            Neuro exam is required by LAW

          • Kate Johnson

            Then get the NEURO EXAM which is required to PROVE that she is not brain dead. EASY PEASY!!!!!!!!!

          • MKey1

            He can’t, because if the exam were repeated, she’d still test out to be brain dead. Poor John. The evidence just won’t cooperate with him.

          • RPColtrane

            FYI, that’s not what you were quoting before so you still fail and my second quote still applies so you fail even more. Keep it up.

          • RPColtrane

            Johnny doesn’t understand because words.

          • RPColtrane

            In the United States a model act is statutory text, typically drafted by the Uniform Law Commission (ULC), that is meant to serve as a guide for subsequent legislation. It is not usually meant to be enacted exactly as it is written, but is provided by the ULC as a suggestion to the various state and territorial legislatures from which they create their own law.

            The ULC was created by the National Conference of Commissioners on Uniform State Laws (NCCUSL) to harmonize various local laws that often conflict or contradict each other from state to state. In addition to model acts it also publishes uniform acts, which are meant to be enacted exactly as they are written across the United States. Other organizations (e.g. the American Law Institute and American Bar Association), and American Bar Association also publish model acts.

            The ULC and NCCUSL are non-profit, advisory bodies that recommend uniform legislation to the states. They do not enforce or empower legislation. Neither a model act nor a uniform act has the force of law unless it is enacted by a state legislature.

            I WIN AGAIN!

          • John Benton

            I already posted California’s STATE LAW on brain death. What you posted is irrelevant. Unted States’ model? Are you serious? What’s that got to do with California?

          • Kate Johnson

            Did they do a neuro exam in person?

          • John Benton

            You need lab works and not neuro exam for hypothalamic function.

          • Kate Johnson

            You need neuro exam to determine Brain Death.

          • John Benton

            Brain-stem death not the whole brain.

          • Kate Johnson

            You are having trouble understanding how they determine Brain Death, aren’t you?

          • KitKat

            You can show him Jahi has a “hot nose” and he’d claim it was because she has a cold.

          • John Benton

            You are having problem differentiating brain-stem death from whole brain death.

          • RP Jr

            Says the clinician and med mal investigator who doesn’t understand law or medicine. lulz

          • KitKat

            Are you trying to claim Jahi is aware (a function of the higher brain) but can’t breathe on her own, or keep her heart beating, or even maintain her temp?

          • MKey1

            He could just look in the mirror.

          • RP Jr

            Then he has to hold his breath for 10 minutes.

          • RP Jr

            Broken record is broken. Your interpretation of the law is stupid and irrelevant. Try again.

          • RPColtrane

            You were quoting the US model tard. And I’m still right. Keep trying to prove me wrong. It’s amusing. And I don’t claim to be a med mal investigator and clinician and I know more about this than you. lulz

          • John Benton

            Here, this should help.

            What are state laws?

            There are 50 states and several commonwealths and territories within the United States. Each has its own system of laws and courts that handle:

            Criminal matters

            Divorce and family matters

            Welfare, public assistance or Medicaid matters

            Wills, inheritances and estates

            Real estate and other property

            Business contracts

            Personal injuries such as from a car accident or medical malpractice

            Workers compensation for injuries at work

          • RP Jr

            No, that didn’t help you. Keep trying though.

  • John Benton

    Hypothalamic function is a brain function, and California’s statutory definition of death by neurological criteria requires irreversible absence of ALL brain function. Thank you.

    • Kate Johnson

      And they determine absence of brain function by doing a NEURO EXAM. This is quite easy to do and costs nothing really.

    • KitKat

      Brought it to the top, finally. Now no one needs to dig through to find your mess.

      • John Benton

        I miss them lonnng legs.

        • RP Jr

          I WIN!!!

          • Kate Johnson

            DING DING DING!!!! GET THIS MAN A PRIZE!!!!!!!!

          • MKey1

            Good call.

      • RP Jr

        Incoming scummy response in 3, 2, 1 ….

    • RP Jr

      Still not helping yourself. Why not just conference with Dolan to show him how well you can Google. lulz

    • MKey1

      Which hypothalamic function? Be specific. You also failed utterly on the “and give the objective evidence to support the existence of the function being claimed to be preserved” part. What objective evidence of a preserved hypothalamic function do you have?

    • KitKat

      Curious. . You claim to be a criminalist. Why does your avatar say to question authority? Hmm?

  • John Benton

    “Which hypothalamic function”? – MKey1

    Mkey1: You either agree with UDDA’s determination of death or you don’t. But based on your line of questioning, one could argue that you are sincerely devoted in supporting this definition without a doubt. Otherwise you wouldn’t be asking specific questions like that.

    Now to answer your question:

    Menstrual Cycle – You call this an objective evidence and I agree. It’s not only an objective evidence, it’s also a physical evidence, that proves the intact function of the hypothalamus in Jahi’s brain.

    Thermoregulation – Another objective or physical evidence that proves Jahi is not brain dead. The temperature-regulating centers are found in the Preoptic Area (the anterior portion of the hypothalamus). You can use my MRI presentation as reference.

    HR & BP – Jahi’s hypothalamus regulates the functioning of theautonomic nervous system, which in turn means it regulates things like pulse, blood pressure, and arousal in response to emotional circumstance.

    Those are physical evidence.

    • KitKat

      All of which are subjective, aka lies told by the family. She doesn’t regulate her own temp. Have you not seen she’s buried under layers of blankets? And don’t be fooled into thinking she’s not getting meds to regulate her BP. Menstrual cycle? Not proven.

      What arousal in response to emotional circumstance has she displayed? Don’t say the videos released. Those were hours of footage compacted into short videos, just like Terri Sciavo’s family did. she can’t hear! How can one respond when they cannot hear anything? Don’t say physical touch, either. She can’t feel it. She’s dead. Just a body hooked up like previous cases in history. Nothing more.

      • MKey1

        And those videos did not show any arousal whatsoever.

        • KitKat

          True. Just some random spinal reflexes that took hours or days to catch. I’d like to see her bend at the waist like Ma said, and turn her head side to side on command like she claimed.

        • indygeezer

          The only arousal seen was in Alphonso.

    • MKey1

      No, those are claims lacking the physical evidence to back them up. Funny how an alleged “criminalist” can’t tell the difference.

      1. UDDA doesn’t make determinations of death, so there’s no UDDA determination of death to agree with or disagree with.

      2. Jahi does not have an objectively documented menstrual cycle, and even if the family were to come forward with objective evidence of monthly bleeding (which they haven’t done to date), it would not be sufficient objective evidence to establish hypothalamic functioning.

      3. There is no objective evidence Jahi is thermoregulating, and there IS objective evidence that she isn’t. If someone was thermoregulating, and they were constantly bundled up the way Jahi is in all her pictures, they would overheat.

      4. There is no objective evidence Jahi’s heart or BP is receiving any brain regulation whatsoever. There IS objective evidence she needs drugs to support functions lost when her brain died. If you claim otherwise, please link to the evidence you claim exists to show documented changes in BP and heart rate that can only be the result of brain activity. This ought to be highly amusing.

      • KitKat

        Because Ma claimed she maintains her own temp and BP without meds, he believes it to be true. What’s sad is that it took Johnny almost an entire day to put together a reply to you, only to have you debunk it in 2.2 seconds.

        • MKey1

          And he knew he had to try to preemptively assert dominance and claims to superior knowledge he doesn’t possess in the post, too. He’s clearly VERY insecure because of his inability to provide the requested objective evidence.

      • RP Jr

        He must not have googled the definition of objective evidence. All he does is prove how much he was lying when he claimed to be a clinician and med mal investigator.

        • KitKat

          But he is a clinician. Haven’t you heard of Dr. John Benton Fallatio? :0P

          • John Benton

            No foul language please. Thank you.

    • indygeezer

      so let’s look at the actual physical evidence, as can actually be seen in actual pictures.

      Menstual – only family has said this, and even then indirectly, no actual physical evidence. Other’s on the net have posted that they know a person who witnessed the event in question and it wasn’t that.

      Thermoregulation – ALL photos and videos of Jahi show her under many covers, and there are even pictures showing the thermal regulation *machine* behind her. The actual evidence clearly shows her body is not maintaining temp.

      There is no evidence that suggests one way or another that the body has any form of response.

      The only conclusion you can draw from the evidence is that this is a corpse being forced to maintain heart-beat by artificial means. i.e. a ghoulish experiment.

    • RP Jr

      You have no physical evidence. A med mal investigator would know that unproven statements by the family are not physical evidence or objective evidence. You fail so much you know of no other way to exist than to fail and have people laugh at you.

      You can keep saying UDDA this and UDDA that but it, like you is completely meaningless. Let’s refresh :

      This Act is silent on acceptable diagnostic tests and medical procedures. It
      sets the general legal standard for determining death, but not the medical criteria for
      doing so. The medical profession remains free to formulate acceptable medical
      practices and to utilize new biomedical knowledge, diagnostic tests, and equipment.

      You lose. Keep up the fail. I’m still laughing and you’re still stupid. Keep putting it on display.

  • John Benton

    Just a partial list of Jahi Mcmath’s H&P, Rutgers University MRI

    PHYSICAL EXAMINATION:

    GENERAL: The patient is a well-developed, well-nourished, obese female, in no apparent distress. She is afebrile.

    VITAL SIGNS: Stable. Blood pressure 120/92, pulse 78 and regular, respiratory rate 12, unlabored. Temperature 98 with 1 bed sheet.

    SKIN: Warm and dry with good color. Lower extremity skin is rather cool but has good color. There is no rash. No tissue breakdown, bleeding or bruising.

    HEENT: Normocephalic and atraumatic.

    NECK: Soft and supple. Tracheostomy tube in place. No gross thyromegaly or bruits. No anterior/posterior cervical adenopathy. Range of motion appears normal and unremarkable.

    BACK AND SPINE: Nontender.

    HEART: Regular rate and rhythm with 1/6 systolic ejection murmur. No rub or gallop.

    CHEST: Fairly clear. She has faint expiratory wheezes, particularly on the left compared to the right. These are faint. Right side has fair breath sounds. She has fair respiratory effort. No coarse rhonchi or rales are appreciated. Equal chest wall expansion.

    Mkey: So how do you explain her temperature of 98 with 1 bed sheet?

    • MKey1

      Link to the medical record containing the above, please. It’s poor form to (allegedly) quote something without providing source and link. This kind of PE is not a part of an MRI report, so your claim it came from there is false.

      Also, what you wrote above does not say that there was only 1 bed sheet being used, so that is not substantiated, nor does it give
      1) a list of drugs being used
      2) the room temperature
      3) whether warmed fluids were being infused
      4) whether there was a warming device being used.

      So, it’s utterly an worthless excerpt for proving any of your assertions.

      • John Benton

        It’s worthless to you. If you want a complete report then go ahead and use your little brain to access the rest of the information. I did it. Why can’t you? By the way, do you know the difference between H&P and the actual MRI report? Impress me.

        • Kate Johnson

          Impress you? What for?

          No physical goes with the MRI. Attendants/Aids stick her in the MRI tube, do the MRI and bring her back to her room. No doctor sees her at all during the MRI unless it is specially ordered.

          Also thanks for the laugh BACK AND SPINE: Nontender. GEE….YA THINK???????????

          • John Benton

            I see you deleted your comment about UDDA.

          • Kate Johnson

            I see you are telling people Jahi can breathe on her own!! Really!!!!!!

          • acumenata

            Yah, right. Where’s he been saying that?

        • RPColtrane

          As usual Johnny can’t prove a thing. SURPRISE

      • RPColtrane

        It’s been over a year and everything he’s offered as proof has been worthless. I wouldn’t expect that to change any time soon.

      • allele27

        Someone should tell Dolan and the Winkfields that Jahi’s records (ha) are being leaked right here on Chr. News.

        • acumenata

          Excellent idea.

          • allele27

            They certainly wouldn’t be happy about it, would they?

          • acumenata

            *won’t 😉

          • allele27

            Don’t forget Rutgers.
            And CNews is allowing this?
            Tsk. It’s just awful.

          • acumenata

            Got it. Need more rope. Jump in where you can.

    • Kate Johnson

      “Lower extremity skin is rather cool but has good color.” Oh…but you forgot to add “For a SMURF”

    • RPColtrane

      Once again, breaking HIPAA or lying. I wonder which one? Hmmmmm…………

  • John Benton

    Newsflash: Weaning started on Jahi!

    • KitKat

      Citation, please.

    • acumenata

      Terminal weaning? So you’re saying they’ve finally come to their senses, eh? I wouldn’t be surprised, given that they’re out of money to keep this up.

    • KitKat

      I believe you are preoccupied with a black market copy of 50 Shades of Grey. Unless your little weenie is in NJ spying, and gained entry with a little white coat and fake MD badge, you have nada to report. You took too long to provide back up to your statement.

      • Kate Johnson

        He never provides back up for anything. Never.

        • allele27

          Because his “anything” is always imaginary.

    • Kate Johnson

      Do tell!!!!

    • http://compassexhibits.com/ nautipirate

      Ok I get it, they are taking a clue from the Brown/Houston scenario. They take Jahi off the vent, claim she is having seizures and died. They get to scrap the mission so to speak, not lose face with their believers and head home to CA. Sure.

      • acumenata

        Yep. And it leaves them the convention option of blaming the respiratory therapist.

        • http://compassexhibits.com/ nautipirate

          Makes sense to me. The news reports in the Houston/Brown case just gave them an idea, or maybe gave JB an idea to spew out?

          • acumenata

            Quite likely. Either that or the IBRF is tired of not getting paid and has convinced Nailah that this is part of their protocol.

          • John Benton

            I said they started weaning. What’s wrong with that? If she fails, no big deal. They can always change the mode. Do you know what that is?

          • KitKat

            You don’t. You’re stillI not weaned from your mama.

          • John Benton

            No foul language pls.

          • KitKat

            It’s not foul. If it were, CN wouldn’t allow it here. Duh.

          • acumenata

            “If” she fails?

          • John Benton

            You didn’t answer the question.

          • acumenata

            I was too busy snickering at the “if” you used.

          • John Benton

            I was asking about modes of ventilation. Go ahead.

          • acumenata

            Go head? Head what?

          • KitKat

            What he gives.

          • acumenata

            :X

          • KitKat

            Lol

          • John Benton

            Sick!

          • KitKat

            You’re the one with the dirty imagination.

          • John Benton

            I was asking if you’re familiar with different types of ventilator mode.

          • acumenata

            Yes. Are you familiar with raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens? Those are a few of my favorite things.

      • KitKat

        You are brilliant! That didn’t occur to me. That is where he stole the idea from.

      • John Benton

        Seizure? The whole brain stem is gone. How could that be? Did you see my MRI presentation? Go look!

        • http://compassexhibits.com/ nautipirate

          John, I did see, I was speculating, just as you are. Weaning? Really? And you know this how????

          • John Benton

            A seizure would not be possible once the brain stem is gone. You learn something new everyday. Thank you.

          • http://compassexhibits.com/ nautipirate

            Indeed, so perhaps you are saying they are going to perform the Apnea test?

          • John Benton

            Apnea test is not ventilator weaning. Thank you.

          • acumenata

            Then they’re doing a terminal wean.

          • John Benton

            What’s your definition of terminal weaning?

          • acumenata

            You don’t know? That explains why you’re so excited about this ‘newsflash’.

          • John Benton

            It does not make any sense.

          • acumenata

            I think it makes a great deal of sense. They should have done it a long time ago.

          • MKey1

            True. The idea that they could wean Jahi with any result other than what Acumenata suggests, terminal cardiopulmonary arrest, doesn’t make sense. Glad you know it.

          • KitKat

            If they did that, they could end this. What are they afraid of? Oh, right. She’s dead.

          • KitKat

            Neither would any activity in the higher brain. Thank you.

          • http://compassexhibits.com/ nautipirate

            What I would like to learn, is how you acquired this information? Source please. Thank you kindly.

          • John Benton

            Typed in Rutgers then ECR…the rest are confidential.

          • KitKat

            You don’t have access to confidential medical records.

          • John Benton

            You’re right. Just the electronic one.

          • KitKat

            Impossible, my friend. Unless something was made public, you have nothing. Unless you hacked the system.

          • MKey1

            So much fail in one little post.

          • allele27

            He doesn’t know.

          • acumenata

            Of course not. He’s just trying to get his fix of imagined importance now that he’s even been laughed off Yahoo.

        • KitKat

          How is one alive with a dead brain stem?

          • John Benton

            If the mid-brain is functioning Jahi does not fit the criteria.

          • KitKat

            But there is no proof it is functioning, for obvious reasons. . What there is proof of, is that her brain stem is dead.

          • John Benton

            That’s the reason why I don’t agree.

          • KitKat

            Give us something concrete as evidence. Then we’ll listen.

          • John Benton

            It’s not up to me. The need to evaluate the entire brain and its function.

          • KitKat

            They have! And Dolan was laughed out of court with his “new evidence”!

          • http://compassexhibits.com/ nautipirate

            Agree KK, that is like saying a tree is alive even though the trunk is all rotted and gone.

          • KitKat

            Good analogy.

        • http://compassexhibits.com/ nautipirate

          Note I said, “they claim”. There have been many claims made the past year, and none verified. So why not a seizure?

          • allele27

            Why engage him? He’s running his same-old/same-old schtick just to get attention.

          • http://compassexhibits.com/ nautipirate

            I’m bored and working on work stuff at the computer today.

        • Kate Johnson

          Umm…I have seen it. Does she pass the neuro exam? Better yet, does she have ANY reponse at all??

    • MistyDay

      It has been over two hours since you posted here and I don’t see anything on Keep. Why haven’t you posted on FB yet? They would lot of update. Plus they would up vote you and pray instead of insulting you. It may even cause the GFM account to go up $15.

      • acumenata

        He’s probably been banned there, too.

        • MistyDay

          He has been banned from FB numerous times. That shouldn’t stop him from creating another account and posting.

  • KitKat

    John, Jahi is dead! Dead!Dead!Dead! There is no activity or blood flow in her mid brain. Put up or shut up! You have no evidence!

    • John Benton

      According to Rutgers MRA, blood flow has returned. Would you like me to post that one?

      • acumenata

        Yes, please. Show us your sources.

        • KitKat

          All he has are the mri and eeg done months ago. Which were already discredited.

      • KitKat

        Post it, John. And not something by a quack. A real neurologist. One who personally examined her.

        • brazen1

          you mean like one with a medical degree instead of a hairdressing license?

      • Kate Johnson

        I would like to see the results of the In Person NEURO Exam done by a licensed physician.

      • acumenata

        What Kate says, Benton. Why haven’t they done that? Huh, Mr. Inside Info?

      • MKey1

        Link or it didn’t happen. That slice of MRA Dolan showed at the press conference showed blood flow in extracranial vessels and perforators only, not intracerebral vessels.

        • brazen1

          I can pump blood through the steak I bought for dinner, that won’t make it alive.

    • MistyDay

      He has gotten attention. Which is one of the things he craves.

  • KitKat

    Johnny, my dear, you are missing the bigger picture.
    Jahi has a dead brain stem. She is dead in the state of CA.
    She cannot pass “go” , Mama cannot collect 200.00.
    Mama can go to jail if she doesn’t return Jahi to the coroner.

    There is nothing that will return Jahi to CA to receive state benefits.
    Mam a signed the death certificate acknowledging Jahi was dead.

    Did Dolan contact the Secretary of State yet? Bet that was a wasted effort, as well.

  • John Benton

    How can one assess Jahi’s midbrain function? By doing labworks! Just measure the ADH, blood and urine osmolality in her blood and then measure the luteinizing hormone (LH) and the follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH). If they come back negative then I’ll believe the ENTIRE function of her brain is dead. Thank you.

    • acumenata

      What difference does it make if they’re starting the weaning?

      • allele27

        And why is he telling US to “just measure”? He can order his BFFs Dolan and N. Winkfield to do so, then hack, steal and post the results online. Right?

        • acumenata

          I would think so. He must be too busy studying for his Google For Dummies course.

          • allele27

            And memorizing license plates, ZIP and global postal codes and the cable-channel lineups for every provider in 50 states.

          • John Benton

            You can thank my videographic memory for that. lulz

          • allele27

            Lists and copypasta are all you can do. It’s sad.

          • John Benton

            You can always wish.

          • allele27

            I’m reality-based.
            You’re an underemployed fantasist, if employable at all.

          • John Benton

            You mean work? Like peasants do? That would be you. lulz

          • allele27

            Since Dec 2013 you boasted that you had an actual job (woot, woot!) and that your paycheck paid for everyone else’s alleged food stamps
            Guess you got fired.

            fyi, you have no idea who you’re really posting to online or how laughably, patently false your grandiosity is.

          • John Benton

            You would call that a job of course. lulz

          • allele27

            No, YOU called it a “job” — repeatedly, continually, for an entire year.

            So your memory is as bad as your honesty, English, social skills and ability to synthesize info.

          • acumenata

            B-b-but it’s videographic!

          • MKey1

            Way to prove Allele’s point.

          • acumenata

            What’s Do, Benton? Is it a deer? Is it a female deer? Can you remember? Think really really hard…. I’m waiting.

          • Kate Johnson

            You have an Indiotgraphic memory.

        • John Benton

          CHO and Fisher would like to keep the public in the dark about those tests. Thank you legal aid.

          • acumenata

            You have inside information about CHO and Fisher, too? Where did you get that?

          • John Benton

            Why didn’t they mention those tests?

          • acumenata

            Why would they? They’re not required for the medical or legal diagnosis of death.

          • Kate Johnson

            They are IRRELEVANT!

          • John Benton

            Then go ahead and change the law.

          • Kate Johnson

            No, they aren’t keeping anyone in the dark about anything. Have you done the NEURO EXAM on Jahi in person? Does she respond?

          • John Benton

            If they come back negative I’ll agree with you.

          • acumenata

            No need to wait for the tests if your newsflash isn’t BS. You’ll get your answer soon enough.

          • Kate Johnson

            No you won’t. You are a professional liar.

          • John Benton

            lol

          • acumenata

            does that stand for Lie Out Loud or Lots Of Lies?

          • brazen1

            no, he’s an amateur trying to go pro.

          • acumenata

            I would say he’s still trying for amateur status.

          • brazen1

            amateur is the default.

          • acumenata

            I was thinking of something more along the lines of suckling.

          • brazen1

            well, we know he’s a sucker.

          • MKey1

            So, when’s the big day the family will be doing the tests, funded by you?

          • allele27

            And hey, why can’t Jahi’s entourage do those tests and thrill the world with the results, give them to JB personally (since he’s allegedly such an insider) or let him hack/steal them if he’s impatient?

          • John Benton

            Insider? If you know mobile code you can be like me.

            (Java/JavaScript/ActiveX) HAHA!

          • acumenata

            I know all of that. You’re not answering the question. Where did you get the information you claim to have?

          • MKey1

            He doesn’t even know how to do a neuro exam.

          • MistyDay

            He is practicing rectal exams on guys he finds on Craigslist.

          • MKey1

            And unfortunately, while doing so, he mistakenly believes he’s successfully intubated them. He’s that backwards.

          • acumenata

            But he knows JavaScript 😀

          • brazen1

            you mean mama nails wants to keep the public in the dark about what really caused the bleeding.

          • acumenata

            Her or G-Suc.

          • MKey1

            CHOs test results are public and can be found in the court documents. The test results of any tests the family has done since taking Jahi’s body from CHO can only be accessed and/or released by the current caregivers, which wouldn’t be CHO of Fisher, and the family. So, it’s pretty apparent the family doesn’t want the results of their own testing made public.

          • allele27

            Heavens. I wonder why.

    • Kate Johnson

      Thats all well and good but you still have to do the neuro assessment on her. Lab tests don’t prove she is not brain dead at all.

      • John Benton

        No. Per UDDA, the entire function of the brain must be evaluated.

        • acumenata

          They did that, Benton.

          • John Benton

            Show me the labwork.

          • Kate Johnson

            You are the one telling us you know. Its up to YOU to prove it.

          • John Benton

            A simple blood test. That’s all they need to do.

          • allele27

            Then harangue them and insist that they do it.

          • John Benton

            You want my attention now?

          • acumenata

            No, we want you to go harangue them since you claim to have so much pull. Or did THEY ban you from contacting them, too?

          • John Benton

            Java/JavaScript/ActiveX. That’s all you need.

          • acumenata

            All I need for what, Benton?

          • brazen1

            a cup of coffee, maybe?

          • Arthur Paliden

            So you are adding programmer to your long list of imaginary qualifications.

          • acumenata

            What exactly are you claiming to have done with that, Benton?

          • Arthur Paliden

            Well he copied and pasted them from a web page.

          • allele27

            Give the Winkfields your attention. Stop bellyaching to everyone ELSE re: what they should do. Insist that they run those glorious tests.

          • John Benton

            Too bad you can’t stop me legal aid.

          • allele27

            I think you mean “you can’t stop my Legal Aid.”

          • acumenata

            No, a simple bedside neuro exam is all they need to do. It’s the only thing the courts will accept. If they want to toss a blood test in with that, fine. But they still need to do the neuro test.

            Why haven’t they, Benton?

          • KitKat

            Irrelevant.

          • MKey1

            Then why haven’t they done it?

          • acumenata

            Show me the results of the bedside neuro test.

          • John Benton

            I showed you my MRI presentation. Are you qualified to analyze them? A radiologist from the office confirmed that the hypothalamus appears to be intact. Those were his exact words.

          • acumenata

            You didn’t show ME any MRI presentation. What was it, a rehash of the Dolan laughfest where he pointed at that MRI and said the brain wasn’t being replaced with CSF?

            Oh, and what’s “the office”? Do you have a new imaginary job?

          • John Benton

            Keep scrolling down.

          • acumenata

            Can’t be bothered. Do a cut and paste for me if the info is there. You’re good at that.

          • John Benton

            I presented 2 MRIs. You can’t copy n paste them. Just ask Kate.

          • acumenata

            Where were these MRIs from, Benton? And when?

          • John Benton

            Ask Kate.

          • acumenata

            They’re your MRIs. I’m asking you. Don’t muddle it up with a middleman.

          • John Benton

            You missed it. Not my problem.

          • acumenata

            If you can’t show them to me then you have no credibility. I call BS. Again.

          • John Benton

            I can’t anymore. The mods discontinued the “picture” button.

          • acumenata

            I scrolled down, Benton. So far what I’ve seen that you’ve posted is an image of a dead fetus and an image of the vocal cords of a woman named Patricia Shanks, as scoped in January 2008, which you got from Google. That’s not telling me much about Jahi McMath.

          • John Benton

            It’s there. Scroll down some more.

          • acumenata

            No, it’s not there. There are no MRIs on this thread. Again, where did you get these alleged MRIs? When were they done? Who gave them to you?

          • KitKat

            Irrelevant. See my post above.

          • MKey1

            Uh, John, a single jpg of a slice of MRI is not an “MRI presentation” to anyone with a clue. A radiologist from “the office” would laugh at the very idea. Only the imaginary “radiologist” in your head would take you seriously.

          • MistyDay

            Then it proves (yet again) that JB does not have a clue.

          • acumenata

            Have you seen this alleged MRI he’s on about? Is it just Dolan’s slice from the press conference? Or is it as imaginary as “the office”?

          • MKey1

            The only MRI or MRA data available to the public to date includes:

            1) one image of a single slice of MRI presented at Dolan’s press conference
            2) one image of an MRA included in the court packet Dolan submitted.

            No actual complete tests or interpretations have been made public. And nothing at all from the EEG, only claims about it.

          • brazen1

            meaning nothing else does.

          • Kate Johnson

            “Appears to be”. That isn’t any kind of confirmation.

            Thats smoke and mirrors. You still need the in person Neuro exam.

          • allele27

            Hack it, genius.

          • acumenata

            And while he’s at it he can hack the results of their latest neuro exam.

          • allele27

            Heck, this alleged employed/unemployed rich medical-whiz, hacker, legal “consultant” and Winkfield-Dolan insider should be able to do anything (unless his videographic memory busts a cork. Which happens a lot.)

            So, again, why has he spent 14 months lying and yapping at the cosmos?

          • allele27

            Ask for it or use your self-vaunted illegal skills to hack it.

        • Kate Johnson

          Per the law she must pass the NEURO EXAM.

          • John Benton

            Read my comment again. If those tests were done and they come back negative, then I’ll believe she’s dead.

          • Arthur Paliden

            Right ….. Now that was really funny …..

          • KitKat

            Dumb comment.

          • MKey1

            Your opinion literally doesn’t matter to the courts or the medical establishment, so who cares what you believe? Without objective evidence to support your views, you’ve already lost the case.

        • Kate Johnson

          You seem very confused John.

          • acumenata

            Some things remain constant.

          • allele27

            English does that to him.

          • John Benton

            Still mad I outed you? lulz

          • allele27

            You only outed yourself as a complete fraud.

          • John Benton

            Even you yourself admitted it. lulz

          • allele27

            There’s nothing to “admit.”

            This, friend, is why you’re unemployable.

          • MKey1

            That you’re a complete fraud? Yes, he did.

          • KitKat

            And a homophobe.

          • brazen1

            gay homophobe.

          • MKey1

            Understatement of the century.

        • Kate Johnson

          You go round and round with this but the answer is still the same. She failed all the tests in California done by 6 physicians. She was declared dead. She has a death certificate. Again I ask you, did they do a neuro exam to show this is no longer the case? Answer: NO. They haven’t. WHY: She will fail again. Reason: She is still brain dead under California law.

    • KitKat

      Hypothalamus and anterior pituitary glands have been found to be preserved in brain dead women, so, irrelevant. And all the mri showed was some brain tissue. Again, irrelevant.

      • John Benton

        A BIG contradiction of UDDA’s definition of death!

        • KitKat

          Her brain stem is DEAD!!!!! Dead. Dead. Dead.

          • John Benton

            I agree but what about the mid-brain?

          • KitKat

            Stop with the mid brain! She only showed some preserved tissue. That may be dead by now. There was no evidence of anything except massive catastrophic damage to her brain, not just the brain stem. Go back and look.

          • John Benton

            Then change the law!

          • KitKat

            Since you have all the info, what happened with Dolan going to the Secretary of State for a reversal of the death certificate?

          • acumenata

            You change the law if you think you can. I’m perfectly fine with it the way it is.

          • allele27

            He wants us to run tests on Jahi.
            He wants Kitkat to change the law.

            Do you sense a problem here?

          • acumenata

            No. They can do that, and you and I can work on those flying pigs.

          • allele27

            I’m feathering those pigs as fast as I can …

          • brazen1

            change your diaper.

          • Kate Johnson

            Change what law? I have no problem with the current law. You are the one with the problem here. She’s brain dead and can’t collect state funds for medical care. I have no need to change the law.

          • Kate Johnson

            You have not proved she has any response at all. Mid brain, Upper brain, side brain, birdbrain!!!!!!!

        • Kate Johnson

          No, it is not a contradiction at all. If she can’t pass the ‘neuro exam’ then her brain is dead.

          • brazen1

            maybe they didn’t let her study long enough, or maybe shes just bad at tests. they should try giving it to her in multiple guess.

      • brazen1

        in the same way a bowl of oatmeal shows some grain.

    • MKey1

      Who cares what you’ll believe. You aren’t the judge.

      You’ve got the burden of proof backwards. If the tests come back positive, and the family can demonstrate the results aren’t artefactual, then the family might have some evidence they could present in court to support their thus far unsubstantiated claims of brain function. Until then, nobody has to believe them or provide any testing that shows Jahi remains dead. Her official status is dead until proven otherwise.

      • John Benton

        Thank you. At least we both agree with those tests.

        • acumenata

          Which tests would that be? The neuro exam?

          • brazen1

            the SATs. Jahi’s going to be the first of the clan to go to high school.

          • MistyDay

            They have rules about the kids actually taking the test before they get a score. OTOH I would love to see the scamily & Dolan go after College Board.

          • brazen1

            got another 4 years before that.

          • KitKat

            Lol

        • MKey1

          Go back and read for comprehension. The family has nothing because they’ve done no tests. If they do the tests you mention, they’d still have to show they were correctly done and submit neurological exam results and other data with them to have a prayer of meeting the burden of proof needed for court. The tests alone would never suffice.

        • allele27

          So why won’t the family allow such tests?

    • brazen1

      how about we just boil you in canned corn for a few days?

    • Kate Johnson

      Also, the terminology is ‘lab work’, not labworks. You can measure wonderful things with lab work, but you also need to have her complete list of medications BECAUSE……they can change the results of the lab tests. I am sure you knew that….but I’m just reminding you.

      • allele27

        He’s still struggling with ESL. It might be another factor in his unemployability.

        • John Benton

          You’re still struggling as a wannabe lawyer. lulz

          • Kate Johnson

            And you’re simply still struggling.

          • allele27

            Dream on.

          • John Benton

            Right,”boss.” lulz

          • allele27

            Thank you.
            Reality is a good thing.

          • John Benton

            So, what kind of lawyer are you? lulz

          • allele27

            Your adolescent attempt to learn personal info will get you nowhere.

          • MistyDay

            You wish you could get a job interview to sweep the floors where he works.

          • allele27

            You’re right. Cleaning companies have professional standards.

          • John Benton

            So what kind of lawyer are you allele? lulz

          • MistyDay

            The kind that past the bar, earns money, and doesn’t change professions every 48 hours.

          • John Benton

            Wanna see my pool?

          • MistyDay

            Sure, post a picture.

          • brazen1

            do you use the same air pump that you use for your girlfriend?

      • brazen1

        you mean like if they are cramming LH and FSH down the feeding tube with all the vitamins?

      • John Benton

        labwork; Noun

        work done in a laboratory.

        • acumenata

          Something you’ve never done, Benton. Or did you misspell lavatory?

          • Arthur Paliden

            I would go with the misspelling hypothesis.

  • Arthur Paliden

    Must find my way around the robots here. It did not like my last comment.

    • MistyDay

      What was it? You can always post it somewhere else and we will find it. Well, maybe not JB but the rest of us can.

      • Arthur Paliden

        I will try again formatting it in a different way.

  • Arthur Paliden

    Is the family paying a royalty to the Monty Python people for this performance of the ‘Dead Parrot’ sketch?

  • KitKat

    Where are Benton’s mri’s he claims to have posted? Were they anything we hadn’t seen? Silly question, I know.

    • John Benton

      Ask Kate and Mkey.

      • KitKat

        I thought you were my friend? Can’t you help me out here?

    • Arthur Paliden

      You mean the Jonny’s super-dooper MIR that would have proved brain activity but instead the family spent the donated money for such medical assistance on other important things like clothes, wine and trips?

      • KitKat

        At least he’s not babbling on about the eeg. Dolan should have been ashamed to present that. Done in the apartment. Smdh.

        • Arthur Paliden

          Lairs have no shame.

          • John Benton

            Shame, until you need one.

          • acumenata

            You’re going to, Benton.

          • MistyDay

            He will just represent himself and be his own expert witness. That is the advantage of having so many professions. He can add inmate to the list.

          • Arthur Paliden

            Well being as you are already a liar are you now going to pretend you are a lawyer.

          • Arthur Paliden

            And I hire the best liar’s that my money can buy. And I have never yet lost in court.

        • brazen1

          I heard the EEG indicated her brain had the same function as lime jello.

    • acumenata

      They aren’t there. He lied again.

      • KitKat

        He probably only had the one slice that Dolan presented. One slice doesn’t mean squat. If there were another, he probably stole it from someone else. I call bs again.

      • Arthur Paliden

        Well of course he did. I would have been shocked if he had told the truth.

    • Kate Johnson

      No, nothing you have not seen. However, John himself seemed confused by what is and is not done along with an MRI report.

      • MKey1

        It’s not the only thing he’s confused about.

        • Arthur Paliden

          Well that is putting it nicely.

        • Kate Johnson

          Yes, but for others I will tell them that he thinks a doctor did an exam during the MRI and well, we know that didn’t happen either.

      • KitKat

        I saw his copy/paste on the exam. Never saw the images posted here by him . Thanks.

  • Arthur Paliden

    Look the family was doing the long con that required passage of Prop 46 in California and they lost. Now they are stuck with a decaying corpse on a ventilator in New Jersey. They have burned through all the money they have previously conned from the public on everything but support for the corpse and are using a new round of press stories to try to drum up more money from the gullible religious.

    The writers of this article have done a major disservice, bordering on out right lying, to the memory of this young lady by not properly researching the story and taking the family, the fake religious sentiments and their hack legal team to task.

    • brazen1

      OUTDATED press stories. and no proof that Jahi even still has a heartbeat.

    • brazen1

      and dolan never told them it would be THIS long…

  • John Benton

    CALIFORNIA HEALTH AND SAFETY CODE
    SECTION 7180

    7180. (a) An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible
    cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions, or (2)
    irreversible cessation of ALL FUNCTIONS of the entire brain,
    including the brain stem, is dead.

    (b) This article shall be applied and construed to effectuate its
    general purpose to make uniform the law with respect to the subject
    of this article among states enacting it.
    (c) This article may be cited as the Uniform Determination of
    Death Act.

    • Arthur Paliden

      The coroner and the courts said that yes the doctors that examined the corpse both the ones selected by the state and the ones selected by the family were correct. The corpse was dead. Ergo it is dead and belongs in the ground.

      • John Benton

        At the time Fisher examined her, I agree she fits the criteria, but brains can recover, and based on her MRA, it detected return of cerebral blood flow which means she no longer fit the criteria.

        • Arthur Paliden

          No dead brains do not recover. If they did then the family would have used some of the money donated to retest. The family has not because everyone knows the corpse belongs in the ground and if they did bring a doctor in now they would have the health dept in that room and the corpse in a body bag where it belongs. Thereby bringing this con to an end.

        • brazen1

          brains don’t recover from dead.

        • KitKat

          No it didn’t. You saw one slice. Dolan didn’t even pursue this again. So why are you? She’s dead. Dead. Dead. Dead.

    • Kate Johnson

      Is your name Stew Pidassle??

      • John Benton

        Even your state of NY agrees with me.

        • Kate Johnson

          Ummm….nope. We do the neuro exam here as well.

      • KitKat

        Who is that?

        • Suse

          Say it really fast out loud.

          • KitKat

            Ah, got it. Took 3 times aloud. I asked because I googled the name and found results, but nothing Jahi related, lol.

          • brazen1

            to the tune of Handel’s Hallelujia chorus.

    • acumenata

      CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE
      SECTION 530
      530.5. (a) Every person who willfully obtains personal identifying
      information, as defined in subdivision (b) of Section 530.55, of
      another person, and uses that information for any unlawful purpose,
      including to obtain, or attempt to obtain, credit, goods, services,
      real property, or medical information without the consent of that
      person, is guilty of a public offense, and upon conviction therefor,
      shall be punished by a fine, by imprisonment in a county jail not to
      exceed one year, or by both a fine and imprisonment, or by
      imprisonment pursuant to subdivision (h) of Section 1170.

      CALIFORNIA PENAL CODE
      SECTION 502
      (c) Except as provided in subdivision (h), any person who commits any of the following acts is guilty of a public offense:

      (1) Knowingly accesses and without permission alters, damages, deletes,
      destroys, or otherwise uses any data, computer, computer system, or
      computer network in order to either (A) devise or execute any scheme or
      artifice to defraud, deceive, or extort, or (B) wrongfully control or
      obtain money, property, or data.

      (2) Knowingly accesses and
      without permission takes, copies, or makes use of any data from a
      computer, computer system, or computer network, or takes or copies any
      supporting documentation, whether existing or residing internal or
      external to a computer, computer system, or computer network.

      (d) (1) Any person who violates any of the provisions of paragraph (1),
      (2), (4), or (5) of subdivision (c) is punishable by a fine not
      exceeding ten thousand dollars ($10,000), or by imprisonment pursuant to
      subdivision (h) of Section 1170 for 16 months, or two or three years,
      or by both that fine and imprisonment, or by a fine not exceeding five
      thousand dollars ($5,000), or by imprisonment in a county jail not
      exceeding one year, or by both that fine and imprisonment.

      • allele27

        Yes indeed.

        • acumenata

          And then there’s New Jersey…

          • allele27

            And in both instances, there’s J Benton.

          • acumenata

            Right. He’s either going to have to admit to us that he’s lying or he’s going to need to explain himself to others if he swears he did what he said.

          • allele27

            Dolan, the Winkfields and O. Sealey would be very, very unhappy to know that some clown was dissing Jahi by posting fake med info online.

          • acumenata

            Indeed, they will.

          • allele27

            The LA med-mal lawyer whom he named, touted and claimed to work for as a “consultant” also would be unhappy.

          • acumenata

            Do you have that attorney’s name? I’ll cc him, too.

          • Suse

            Bruce Fagel

          • acumenata

            Thanks. In Los Angeles proper?

          • Suse

            Think so, but google him to be sure.

          • acumenata

            No problem. I’ll find him.

          • allele27

            Just think: That MD/attorney, Dolan, the Winkfields and Rutgers (probably even the Prop 46 folks) have no idea that JB either illegally hacked or leaked info or spread lies about them and about Jahi.

          • acumenata

            Oh, I forgot about the Prop 46 folks. He claimed to be working for them at one point. Not a good reflection on them if their workers are stealing patient records, or even lying about doing so.

          • allele27

            It casts serious shade on them and on MDs’ and attorneys’ professional reputations.

          • acumenata

            I’ll include them in the distrubution, then.

          • allele27

            Good, because his claims imply that these medical/legal professionals don’t safeguard confidentiality and security — or even care a whit about them.

          • acumenata

            I just looked at the Yes On 46 site. That’s the logo Benton was using when he claimed to be working for them. They have a full list of their endorsers online.

          • brazen1

            CC Glenn Beck, too. just because he’ll feel left out if you don’t. and Sarah Palin, because it’ll be a riot to have her start speaking out against this family trying to fraud on good honest god fearin’ patriots,

          • acumenata

            LOL

          • allele27

            He also claimed that Prop 46 activist Eric Andrist was a friend of his.

          • acumenata

            He’s easy to find, IIRC.

          • allele27

            Yes on 46 was a construct of Consumer Watchdog, which JB also namedropped.

          • acumenata

            That’s what I thought. At any rate, they have been instrumental in the secretive McMath arrangements, so they would probably like to know that someone is claiming to be hacking into and leaking confidential information.

          • allele27

            … and claiming to be pro-Team-Jahi/Prop 46 while his vile behavior made them look terrible.

          • brazen1

            *more terrible

          • Arthur Paliden

            JB is a PI hire him to find the chap.

          • allele27

            Yes, but Bruce G Fagel is all over CA — in JB’s words, an “empire.”

          • Suse

            He has an office in SF, or used to.

          • brazen1

            before he closed it to hide from cornboy?

          • allele27

            Well, he’s certainly easy to find!

          • allele27

            Yesiree.

      • Arthur Paliden

        He is going to be so popular in jail.

        • MistyDay

          Maybe it will force him out of the closet.

          • Arthur Paliden

            He will probably be dragged out of the closet actually.

    • KitKat

      You’re not applying the use of the words ” either” and “or”. Reread it. Jahi fits the criteria.

      • brazen1

        he’s not applying anything that might interfere with his delusions.

  • acumenata

    Let’s do recap of John Benton’s claims today on this public forum:

    1. Said he hacked into the Rutgers University electronic records system and steal confidential medical information about Jahi McMath.
    2. Said he has confidential information that they are presently doing a terminal wean of Jahi McMath from the ventilator.
    3. Said he stole an unpublished MRA of Jahi McMath’s brain from Rutgers University, and offered to post it in this forum.
    4. Posted what he claims is an unreleased partial list of Jahi Mcmath’s history and physical examination from her files at Rutgers.
    5. Said he is using he used Java, JavaScript and ActiveX to access confidential patient records from other sources.

    Have I missed anything?

    Mighty incriminating admissions, Benton. It’s time to choose your poison. Care to slink back and admit that you’re lying?

    • allele27

      It’s a shame.
      Thank heavens we have screenshots.

      • acumenata

        I wonder how long it will take him to make a fail attempt to cover his tracks by editing his posts.

      • MistyDay

        It is a good thing we made our FB page private.

    • brazen1

      isn’t this about the time he starts claiming to own the site?

      • acumenata

        He can claim that to the judge.

        • brazen1

          too bad they don’t allow cameras in the courtroom. we’ll have to hire an animation studio to post the fail video.

      • MistyDay

        Yes or one of his other personalities will show up.

        • acumenata

          He’s a far cry from being a master of disguise.

          • brazen1

            he’s barely mastered baiting.

          • Suse

            No, he does that a lot…

          • brazen1

            doesn’t mean he does a good job of it.

          • KitKat

            I think he’s too lazy to even do that.

          • brazen1

            has to google the instructions.

      • allele27

        That usually happens when the site is ancient and he’s stuck posting to himself, since everyone else is pursuing real life.

        • John Benton

          I love the way your spending your “real life” here. lulz

          • allele27

            I love your ongoing semiliteracy.

          • John Benton

            I love the way I outed you. lulz

          • allele27

            Yet again: Dream on. Fantasy is all that you have.

          • Suse

            What did he out you as? That doesn’t sound grammatically correct, I realize.

          • John Benton

            Suse: I’m not anti-semite, I’m anti-zionist. Let’s be clear with that.

          • KitKat

            What are you drinking?

          • John Benton

            I read Suse’s mind. I just wanted to be clear.

          • acumenata

            She’s bleaching it as we speak.

          • KitKat

            Oh. Didn’t realize you had those powers. Carry on.

          • brazen1

            of being clear?

          • John Benton

            Why don’t you ask her? She thinks I’m anti-semite.

          • KitKat

            Why ask? You think Indy is gay, allele is a legal aid attorney, acumenata is a goat, I’m a Lady of the night. What difference does it make?

          • acumenata

            Not just a goat. A she-goat from Portland.

          • brazen1

            me, too.

          • acumenata

            I stand corrected. Conjoined twin she-goats from Portland.

          • brazen1

            roses are red
            violets are blue
            I’m MPD
            and so am I

          • Suse

            Who has the carpet cleaning business?

          • allele27

            My husband. From back when superpsychic JB claimed that I was female.

          • Suse

            Oh, yeah…

          • Suse

            I do?

          • allele27

            ‘Way beyond anti-Zionist.

          • Suse

            What does anti-semitism have to do with anything?

          • acumenata

            He’s trying to draw attention away from his alleged cybercrimes so he won’t have to admit out loud that he lied.

          • brazen1

            or he’s trying to slander Mel Gibson.

          • allele27

            He didn’t out me as anything. There’s nothing to out me AS.
            He does falsely claim that I’m a “legal aid” (his subliterate version of “Legal Aid lawyer”).

          • John Benton

            I prefer legal aid. Why so defensive? lulz

          • acumenata

            I think you’re misinterpreting scoff.

          • Suse

            Oh, that old crap. I thought it was something new.

          • acumenata

            Is it ever?

          • Suse

            Ever hopeful, me.

          • acumenata

            Silly Suse.

          • brazen1

            silly, silly Suse.

          • MKey1

            Love how the ego defense mechanisms come out to play. Johnny is feeling threatened.

  • Guest

    Let me save you the trouble. Here: The Law Offices of Dr. Bruce G. Fagel & Associate
    Address: 100 N Crescent Dr #360, Beverly Hills, CA 90210
    Nonno will rip you a new one.

    • acumenata

      We’ll see.

      • John Benton

        HAHA. I’m really shaking in my boots here.

        • acumenata

          Since you’re so not worried, do me a favor and give me your real name. Or was that your admission that you’re lying?

          • MKey1

            I think it means, when you contact that office, they will never have heard of John Benton, because he’s lying about that, too.

          • acumenata

            Check out this Yelp review of Fagel:

            7/29/2014
            Mr. Fagel is tremendously greedy. I called him in a moment of need and spoke with him directly. He suggested I keep my brain dead grand daughter alive because it would be a multi-million dollar lawsuit to care for her, rather than the medical malpractice limits of $250,000 if we allowed her to be released from her tormented body and mind. His response was immoral, unjustified and extremely lacking in compassionate. We should all work to change the MICRA laws in California, which limit wrongful death to $250,000. Avoid hiring Dr. Fagel!

          • Suse

            That’s how most med mal attys roll, unfortunately.

    • MistyDay

      JB: Why did you delete the post so it shows up as guest? We already have the screen shot.

      • John Benton

        You’re going to shoot me?

        • MistyDay

          Don’t you know what a screen shot is? Try Google.

          • KitKat

            He sounds like he’s been drinking.

          • MistyDay

            True.

          • John Benton

            Do you have a website?

          • KitKat

            That doesn’t even make sense.

          • John Benton

            It makes sense. It’s easier to handle not like disqus.

          • acumenata

            Do you have a mailing address?

          • KitKat

            We have an address. He messed up last year when he was caught posting on Indy’s page.

          • John Benton

            Good luck.:)

          • KitKat

            Why? Did you move?

          • Suse

            Section 8, Encino.

          • John Benton

            There’s no section 8 in Encino. Nice try.

          • KitKat

            I love your dog. Very cute.

          • acumenata

            Gosh, then why are there all those online listings for Section 8 rental housing in Encino? Somebody should tell them!

          • MistyDay

            Scammers.

          • acumenata

            Maybe Benton is in the business of renting out non-existent Section 8 housing in Encino, too. He does everything else. Why not add real estate fraud tycoon to his quiver?

          • MistyDay

            Don’t give him any ideas. He can’t come up with them on his own.

          • acumenata

            Not to worry. He can’t actually do any of the things he claims.

          • brazen1

            including java

          • acumenata

            I think it’s time to bump my recap of the today’s Benton crime claims up to the top. What do you think? Wanna do it for me? I’m guessing that he’s trying to bury it.

          • MistyDay

            I’ll post it again.

          • brazen1

            you’re giving him a lot of credit, there.

          • acumenata

            true, that

          • brazen1

            that puts hum up to the intellectual level of my cat.

          • acumenata

            i guarantee, your cat is smarter and more perceptive

          • brazen1

            and knows how to bury his s***

          • MistyDay

            I haven’t met your cat but I feel like you just insulted him.

          • brazen1

            well, on the one point, anyway.

          • brazen1

            send them a packet, too.

          • Suse

            No poors in Encino? Quel surprise!

          • brazen1

            what about super 8?

          • KitKat

            Eww! No- tell motel. Nasty.

          • Suse

            Reading gaol.

          • KitKat

            What would you do with her website?

          • acumenata

            oh, you know, java, javascript, ActiveX…. 😀

          • MistyDay

            Haven’t you tried Google?

          • allele27

            Fine wines, of course — after googling for names of “most expensive wines.”

          • John Benton

            You can’t afford fine wines. lulz

          • KitKat

            Your friends can’t. since blowing the donation money on expensive wine, they are back to drinking Sutter Home. Can take the girl out of the ghetto, but you can’t take the ghetto out of the girl.

          • allele27

            Your entire imaginary life comes from google.

          • brazen1

            he has it favorited on his bookmarks.

          • brazen1

            sutter home. now available in bags and boxes.

      • acumenata

        Which post?

        • MistyDay

          Above, his name is now showing up as Guest. Where he gives Fagel’s address.

  • MistyDay

    Just so this doesn’t get lost in the fun.

    Let’s do recap of John Benton’s statements today on this public forum:

    1. Said he hacked into the Rutgers University electronic records system and steal confidential medical information about Jahi McMath.
    2. Said he has confidential information that they are presently doing a terminal wean of Jahi McMath from the ventilator.
    3. Said he stole an unpublished MRA of Jahi McMath’s brain from Rutgers University, and offered to post it in this forum.
    4. Posted what he claims is an unreleased partial list of Jahi Mcmath’s history and physical examination from her files at Rutgers.
    5. Said he is using Java, JavaScript and ActiveX to access confidential patient records from other sources, perhaps including CHO and/or Dr. Paul Fisher.

    Have I missed anything?

    Mighty incriminating admissions, Benton. It’s time to choose your poison. Care to slink back and admit that you’re lying?

    • acumenata

      So, Benton, are you lying about these things?

      • MistyDay

        Does he ever tell the truth?

        • KitKat

          He hasn’t mentioned his motorcycle in a while. Remember it was always “spin time.Later losers”.

          • Suse

            Was it a Ducati? I forgot?

          • brazen1

            power wheels.

          • acumenata

            Big Wheel

          • brazen1

            he’s not that cool.

          • KitKat

            Yes, lol

        • brazen1

          Sarah Palin accidentally told the truth last week.

  • John Benton

    Suse: I can sense things about a person. I’m not Anti-Semetic, I’m Anti-Israel. Good. Got that off my chest now.

    • acumenata

      Are you lying about the cybercrimes you were boasting about Benton?

      • brazen1

        sure looks that way.

      • John Benton

        You should try harder.

        • brazen1

          you said that to yourself in the out loud voice.

        • acumenata

          I don’t need to. You’re an easy mark.

    • Suse

      What are you on about? How does anti-semitism enter the picture here? What do you mean you can “sense things about a person”?

      • John Benton

        I’m like that with people.

        • brazen1

          not making sense?

        • KitKat

          I can sense you’re dishonest.

          • brazen1

            I can sense water is wet.

          • allele27

            He “sensed” that I was a gay man, and the wife of a male carpet cleaner, and an impoverished Legal Aid attorney.

          • brazen1

            he sensed that I am acumenata.

          • allele27

            That frosts his Unpsychic Cake.

          • acumenata

            There’s that “sense” thing. Right up there with Nailah’s mother’s intuition.

          • allele27

            The Wonderful World of Woo-Woo.

        • Suse

          What people? I honestly don’t know what you’re talking about. Why would you care what I think?

          • John Benton

            OK, never mind.

          • KitKat

            You’re slowing down in your posts. Are you high!

          • brazen1

            his meds are kicking in.

          • Suse

            All right, John. Just trying to understand what you’re saying.

      • MistyDay

        He just wants to bury the post. Someone needs to post it above his.

        • Suse

          What post?

          • brazen1

            the summary of his claims

    • KitKat

      Stop posting new comments. If you want to post, do it underneath the post where your activities of the day are summized. Thank you. We’d like to keep it at the top.

    • RPColtrane

      Of course a couple months ago you were pretending to be jewish. tard

  • brazen1

    Let’s do a recap of John Benton’s statements today on this public forum:

    1.
    Said he hacked into the Rutgers University electronic records system
    and steal confidential medical information about Jahi McMath.
    2. Said he has confidential information that they are presently doing a terminal wean of Jahi McMath from the ventilator.
    3. Said he stole an unpublished MRA of Jahi McMath’s brain from Rutgers University, and offered to post it in this forum.
    4.
    Posted what he claims is an unreleased partial list of Jahi Mcmath’s
    history and physical examination from her files at Rutgers.
    5. Said
    he is using Java, JavaScript and ActiveX to access confidential patient
    records from other sources, perhaps including CHO and/or Dr. Paul
    Fisher.

    Have I missed anything?

    Mighty incriminating admissions, Benton. It’s time to choose your poison. Care to slink back and admit that you’re lying?

    • John Benton

      How can one assess Jahi’s midbrain function? By doing labwork! Just measure the ADH, blood and urine osmolality, measure the luteinizing hormone (LH) and the follicle-stimulating hormone (FSH). If they come back negative then I’ll believe the ENTIRE function of her brain is dead. Thank you.

      • KitKat

        Copy/paste. Yawn.

      • brazen1

        how about we just boil you in canned corn for a few days.

        • MistyDay

          Why ruin a perfectly good can of corn?

          • brazen1

            no such thing.

          • MistyDay

            true but better than Benton

          • brazen1

            you don’t have to be good to be better than benton.

          • Suse

            I must confess to liking creamed corn in a can. It’s a childhood thing.

          • brazen1

            frozen corn is far superior.

          • Suse

            I know.

      • acumenata

        We’re not talking about Jahi’s midbrain function, Benton. We’re talking about your claims that you got illegally acquired copies of patient records. Did you lie about that?

        • John Benton

          The question is argumentative.

          • acumenata

            You’re not a lawyer, cupcake. Answer the question.

          • RPColtrane

            You’re watching too many lawyer shows. lulz

          • acumenata

            Johnny Mason

      • brazen1

        just do the tests they have already done 7 times, already.

    • KitKat

      Time for him to bust out his super comment zapper!

  • John Benton

    Let’s do a recap of John Benton’s statements today on this public forum:

    1.
    Said he hacked into the Rutgers University electronic records system
    and steal confidential medical information about Jahi McMath.
    2. Said he has confidential information that they are presently doing a terminal wean of Jahi McMath from the ventilator.
    3. Said he stole an unpublished MRA of Jahi McMath’s brain from Rutgers University, and offered to post it in this forum.
    4.
    Posted what he claims is an unreleased partial list of Jahi Mcmath’s
    history and physical examination from her files at Rutgers.
    5. Said
    he is using Java, JavaScript and ActiveX to access confidential patient
    records from other sources, perhaps including CHO and/or Dr. Paul
    Fisher.

    Have I missed anything?

    Mighty incriminating admissions, Benton. It’s time to choose your poison. Care to slink back and admit that you’re lying?

    • KitKat

      Lol

  • John Benton

    Let’s do a recap of John Benton’s statements today on this pubIic forum:

    1.
    Said he hacked into the Rutgers University electronic records system
    and steal confidential medical information about Jahi McMath.
    2. Said he has confidential information that they are presently doing a terminal wean of Jahi McMath from the ventilator.
    3. Said he stole an unpublished MRA of Jahi McMath’s brain from Rutgers University, and offered to post it in this forum.
    4.
    Posted what he claims is an unreleased partial list of Jahi Mcmath’s
    history and physical examination from her files at Rutgers.
    5. Said
    he is using Java, JavaScript and ActiveX to access confidential patient
    records from other sources, perhaps including CHO and/or Dr. Paul
    Fisher.

    Have I missed anything?

    Mighty incriminating admissions, Benton. It’s time to choose your poison. Care to slink back and admit that you’re lying?

    • acumenata

      I think you covered it. Are you lying?

  • John Benton

    Let’s do a recap of John Benton’s statements today on this public forum:

    1.
    Said he hacked into the Rutgers University electronic records system
    and steal confidential medical information about Jahi McMath.
    2. Said he has confidential information that they are presently doing a terminal wean of Jahi McMath from the ventilator.
    3. Said he stole an unpublished MRA of Jahi McMath’s brain from Rutgers University, and offered to post it in this forum.
    4.
    Posted what he claims is an unreleased partial list of Jahi Mcmath’s
    history and physical examination from her files at Rutgers.
    5. Said
    he is using Java, JavaScript and ActivX to access confidential patient
    records from other sources, perhaps including CHO and/or Dr. Paul
    Fisher.

    Have I missed anything?

    Mighty incriminating admissions, Benton. It’s time to choose your poison. Care to slink back and admit that you’re lying?

    • acumenata

      Did you do these things, or didn’t you, Benton?

      • John Benton

        The question is ambiguous.

        • acumenata

          No, it’s not. Let’s make it very clear. Did you, as you say, access patient records of Jahi McMath?

          • allele27

            Crickets.

          • acumenata

            So much for the ambiguity excuse.

          • MistyDay

            The night shift came on and locked him up again. The day shift is in trouble. One them didn’t show up and they were trying to cover it up. But since JB was on the computer most of the day that did not happen.

        • RPColtrane

          Only to someone as mentally nonexistent as you.

  • Arthur Paliden

    Someone is having a tantrum….

    • MistyDay

      We’ve seen this before.

    • acumenata

      Indeed.

    • KitKat

      It’s actually funny. Now I kind of feel sorry for him.

      • acumenata

        I don’t.

      • MistyDay

        don’t

      • allele27

        He works hard for his misery. He deserves it.

        • brazen1

          he doesn’t work very hard.

        • KitKat

          He does deserve it. ill get over it :0)

        • John Benton

          Your tears are delicious.

          • KitKat

            Hey! You stole that line from RP!

          • MKey1

            No surprise. Judging by his posts, he hasn’t had an original thought in years.

          • allele27

            Parroting someone else, I see — trying to compensate for your language deficiency

          • brazen1

            you don’t expect him to come up with ANYTHING on his own, do you?

          • allele27

            Nope. That’s one of his symptoms: On his own he can just type mangled gibberish and lol/HAHA/lulz.

            Everything else is stolen, parroted or mimicry … right down to his robotic “Let me ask you this,” “Just answer” and snippy “Thank you.”
            Either he learned English from TV or he doesn’t actually converse with anyone IRL.

          • RPColtrane

            Can’t come up with your own material. How mentally deficient of you.

    • brazen1

      next step is to declare he owns the board

      • Arthur Paliden

        And then he deletes all his comments.

        • brazen1

          and goes and sucks his thumb

          • RPColtrane

            Is that a euphemism?

          • brazen1

            I suppose it could be.

  • John Benton

    Let’s do a recap of John Benton’s statements today on this public forum:

    1.
    Said he hacked into the Rutgers University electronic records system
    and steal confidential medical information about Jahi McMath.
    2. Said he has confidential information that they are presently doing a terminal wean of Jahl McMath from the ventilator.
    3. Said he stole an unpublished MRA of Jahi McMath’s brain from Rutgers University, and offered to post it in this forum.
    4.
    Posted what he claims is an unreleased partial list of Jahi Mcmath’s
    history and physical examination from her files at Rutgers.
    5. Said
    he is using Java, JavaScript and ActiveX to access confidential patient
    records from other sources, perhaps including CHO and/or Dr. Paul
    Fisher.

    Have I missed anything?

    Mighty incriminating admissions, Benton. It’s time to choose your poison. Care to slink back and admit that you’re lying?

  • KitKat

    Benton sei un asino

  • brazen1

    Let’s do recap of John Benton’s statements today on this public forum:

    1.
    Cream colored ponies and crisp apple strüdels
    2.
    Doorbells and sleigh bells and schnitzel with noodles
    3.
    Wild geese that fly with the moon on their wings
    4.
    These are a few of my favorite things

    Have I missed anything?

    Mighty incriminating admissions, Benton. It’s time to choose your poison. Care to slink back and admit that you’re lying?

    • Suse

      Don’t forget whiskers on kittens!

      • KitKat

        I just found out today that there are breeds of cats that stay small. When these two pass on, I want to get one.

      • brazen1

        better whiskers on kittens than on girls in white dresses.

  • John Benton

    Jahi’s temperature is 98 with only a bed sheet to help keep her warm. Her body metabolism keeps her temperature warm just like yours. Her natural thermostat to control her temperature is in her hypothalamus, which is part of her brain. You have such a thermostat in your brain also. – Paul Byrne, M.D.

    • KitKat

      Quote from a quack. Next.

      Go here. They need your expertise. http://www.people.com/article/bobbi-kristina-brown-medical-developments

      • John Benton

        She had seizures after being weaned off from a medical induced coma. What doe that mean? She may end up PVS but not brain dead.

        • acumenata

          The terminal weaning you say they’re doing will resolve everything.

          • John Benton

            No such thing.

          • acumenata

            No such thing as terminal weaning?

          • John Benton

            Define weaning.

          • acumenata

            Weaning her from mechanical ventilation. I assume you’re not saying Jahi is breastfeeding.

          • John Benton

            Do you have experience weaning patients off the vent?

          • acumenata

            I haven’t done it myself, no. I have been present when it was done. You?

          • John Benton

            You’re not in the position to comment on weaning, if that’s the case.

          • MistyDay

            Please go over to the People article and try to educate them.

          • acumenata

            Okay, professor. Tell me. What do you think will occur when they wean her off the vent?

          • John Benton

            We’re not talking about Jahi. I’m askng you about your experience in ventilator weaning.

          • acumenata

            No, we’re talking about Jahi and your assertion that they are weaning her off the vent. What do you think the outcome will be?

          • John Benton

            You mentioned weaning. That’s the reason why I’m asking. Have you ever performed mechanical ventilator weaning on a patient?

          • RPColtrane

            Not relevant here, just like you. lulz

          • acumenata

            No, Benton, YOU mentioned weaning. You say that’s what they’re doing. To what end?

          • MKey1

            You’re avoiding acumenata’s question. A clinician would be able to answer it, but you can’t, can you?

          • John Benton

            Have you ever performed ventilator weaning?

          • MKey1

            Answer the question you were asked, or are you too afraid to?

          • acumenata

            I think he’s completely stumped and hasn’t a clue what the answer would be.

          • RPColtrane

            Add afraid to the fact that google can’t tell him everything he needs to know.

          • Kate Johnson

            Yes, there most certainly is something called “Terminal Wean”.

        • KitKat

          So, are you only an expert in brain death? They don’t understand the brain the way you do. Seek out Will and teach him. Please.

      • MistyDay

        The stupid over there is painful.

        • KitKat

          It really is.

    • acumenata

      Did you hack into his medical records, too? 😀

      • allele27

        Time to warn Dr. Byrne of incipient hacking.

        • MKey1

          JB couldn’t hack his way out tall grass with a machete.

    • brazen1

      then why have there been no pictures posted without blankets pulled to her chin?

      • acumenata

        Even when Mama is wearing a tank top…

      • John Benton

        She has a trach. They don’t want to show that.

        • acumenata

          Right. Because the grandmother and another relative are busy on Nailah’s Keep page feeding people’s notions that she’s no longer on a vent. I guess they think that will keep the donations rolling in because MIRACLES!

          • John Benton

            Would you show a picture of your child with a trach tube?

          • MistyDay

            I wouldn’t show pictures of my child if he was dead.

          • KitKat

            Like poor little Bay from fb. How heartbreaking. :0(

          • acumenata

            If my child had a trach tube? Of course.

          • John Benton

            There you go. There is no argument here. It’s the family’s decision not to show her trach tube in public.

          • acumenata

            No, it is the family’s decision to actively encourage the conversations on their web page that say the child is no longer on a vent. Sandra Chapman and the person who calls herself Sweet Justice are doing exactly that. It’s not about not showing the vent. It’s about perpetuating a fallacy that it isn’t there.

          • John Benton

            It’s the family’s decision. No argument there.

          • acumenata

            It’s the family’s decision to deceive. No argument there. It’s just edging close to fraud when they’re collecting money from people based on their deceptive statements.

          • Kate Johnson

            The family is deceiving everyone but they aren’t fooling us. Thats why they are so afraid of what we say. It is the truth and they don’t want the truth out there.

          • KitKat

            How do you explain the thick purple blanket wrapped around Jahi’s head in one of the photos?

          • KitKat

            I wouldn’t do it. But then again, I wouldn’t have made any of this public, either.

          • Kate Johnson

            I wouldn’t have shown any of the photos they have chosen to post all over the internet since this circus started, would you? Honestly John…you can’t even justify half of this nonsense.

        • MKey1

          This explains why almost every part of her body is swaddled…how exactly?

          • Kate Johnson

            Psssst. I think they are trying to pull the wool over everyones eyes. Only…..(don’t tell anyone) I think some of us already know they are lying.

        • Arthur Paliden

          Why are there no photos done by independent photographers to accompany the most recent stories. I guess no one really wants the truth to get out.

        • Kate Johnson

          Well gee….don’t you have to wonder why all of a sudden the ventilator is a problem???

      • MKey1

        Because Byrne conveniently “forgot” to mention the warmed IVs and the bear hugger and other warming gear. There WAS only one sheet at the time; however, you couldn’t see it beneath the 4 blankets.

        • John Benton

          Error of assumption without objective evidence.

          • brazen1

            right now we don’t have evidence she isn’t in a freezer somewhere.

          • MKey1

            You don’t know what objective evidence even is, John. You keep giving your opinion when asked for some.

          • RPColtrane

            You might want to google the definition of objective evidence doofus.

          • Kate Johnson

            Coming from you, thats funny!!!!!!!

        • Kate Johnson

          Well, if she’s on a warming blanket that is enough to cook a chicken.

    • Kate Johnson

      When was this written and where did you get this? It sounds like he is talking to a child.

      • MKey1

        Byrne wrote that last January 14th on a political forum called Renew America. It’s not from Jahi’s medical record, and it isn’t a documented medical fact. It’s just a non-credible claim Byrne was making at the time. The stoopid in Byrne’s opinion piece is so thick you could cut it with a knife, and while his target audience is technically composed of adults, most don’t have 2 active neurons to rub together. It says a lot that this is the quality ‘evidence’ John must use to support his own claims. If he had something better, he’d be using it.

        (PS I’m not going to link to the Byrne’s article, since I won’t promote medical nonsense or help spread it. It can be found by Googling the second sentence in quotes for anyone who wants to verify my claim as to its source).

        • Kate Johnson

          Thank you. I know Byrne is not reliable as a source of information. Interesting that John doesn’t seem to understand things even after all this time.

  • MKey1

    Full meltdown Johnny in progress…

  • John Benton

    MKey: Have you ever performed ventilator weaning?

    • RPColtrane

      Johnny:How many dolls have you intubated and how many did not survive the procedure?

    • brazen1

      well, HAVE you, or are you still talking out your backside?

    • Kate Johnson

      Everybody wean to the left…..everybody wean to the right…….

  • John Benton

    MKey: Don’t be afraid of my scanner memory. Just answer my question.

    • RPColtrane

      You won’t answer anyone else’s and you still beg for people to answer yours. Is the butthurt that bad today?

      • MistyDay

        He got a big case of A&D at Costco it is so bad.

    • acumenata

      You haven’t finished answering our questions about weaning, Benton.

    • MKey1

      “Why do we never get an answer
      When we’re knocking at the door
      With a thousand million questions
      About hate and death and war?”

      It’s karaoke time!

      • acumenata

        And I can’t lie

        From you I cannot hide

        And I’ve lost my will to try

        Can’t hide it (can’t hide it), can’t fight it, (can’t fight it)

        So go on, (go on) go on, (go on), come on, leave me
        breathless

  • John Benton

    Mkey: Are you familiar with weaning protocols?

    • RPColtrane

      The stupid troll still pining for mkey’s love. Funny stuff idiotboy.

  • John Benton

    Mkey: If your patient has a PIP of 70 would you proceed with weaning?

    • KitKat

      This is irrelevant. How does this apply to Jahi?

    • RPColtrane

      Why, after all this time would you think he would take your fail bait?

    • acumenata

      If your patient has no brainstem what will happen when you wean them?

      • Kate Johnson

        They fall down go boom!!!

    • Kate Johnson

      PIP!!! PIPPY!! PIPPETTE!!!

  • John Benton

    MKey: What if the low inspiratory pressure keeps alarming during weaning, what would you do?

    • RPColtrane

      Fail troll can’t handle it. I love it.

    • KitKat

      See below. MKey said it’s karaoke time!

      • MistyDay

        I love karaoke time.

    • Kate Johnson

      Its so charming…and alarming!!!

  • John Benton

    Mkey: What is the purpose of pressure support ventilation during weaning?

    • RPColtrane

      How can you fail so much and still be alive?

    • MKey1

      If your patient has no brainstem what will happen when you wean them?

      • John Benton

        I’m speaking in general. So what’s the purpose of PSV?

        • RPColtrane

          Too bad it has no bearing idiotboy.

        • brazen1

          you’re speaking out your backside.

        • MKey1

          How about some Metallica?

          Master of Puppets I’m pulling your strings
          Twisting your mind and smashing your dreams
          Blinded by me, you can’t see a thing
          Just call my name, ’cause I’ll hear you scream
          Master
          Master
          Just call my name, ’cause I’ll hear you scream
          Master
          Master

          • KitKat

            MKey’s rocking to Metallica. . Nice :0)

          • acumenata

            Speaking of Metallica…

            Life, it seems, will fade away
            Drifting further every day
            Getting lost within myself
            Nothing matters, no one else

            I have lost the will to live
            Simply nothing more to give
            There is nothing more for me
            Need the end to set me free

          • acumenata

            So, Benton. Tell us about your predicted outcome of Jahi’s weaning.

  • MistyDay

    He just doesn’t want RP and MKey to see what we wrote about him earlier right before the tantrum. He wants it to go lower so they will miss it.

    • brazen1

      you mean all the illegal acts he said he did?

      whose turn is it to bring it to the top?

    • RPColtrane

      I’ve read through some of it already. Thinking anyone here would ever change their mind about him hilarious.

    • MKey1

      You mean his claims of criminal genius? Been there. Read that.

  • John Benton

    I can scan a book and put you on the spot Mkey.

    • RPColtrane

      Mkey doesn’t have to scan books. lol

    • brazen1

      you mean you can copy & paste and make yourself look like a tool.

    • acumenata

      What will happen when they wean Jahi off the vent, Benton?

    • KitKat

      Where did you go? You don’t like karaoke?

      • RPColtrane

        He probably needed some new tissues to soak up the tears.

        • Suse

          The load of socks in the dryer must be done.

          • RPColtrane

            Ewwww.

          • MistyDay

            Since when does he wash them?

        • brazen1

          is that a euphamism?

          • acumenata

            Ewwww

    • Suse

      Please scan the OED. I’ll wait.

      • RPColtrane

        He’s furiously googling(euphemism?) as we speak.

        • Suse

          Hee!

    • acumenata

      Don’t bother yourself with the scanning. Just tell us about the weaning you say they’re doing.

      • brazen1

        yeah and the expected results.

    • MKey1

      I can put you on the spot without scanning a book. What will happen when they wean Jahi, given she has no demonstrable brain stem function and fails apnea testing, John?

      • acumenata

        He sure does get quiet when he sees this question. Go figure.

      • KitKat

        He admits her brain stem is dead. How is he going to retract that statement? 🙂

        • brazen1

          delete the posts and pretend he never made them, same as always.

    • brazen1

      if you could read the book you might be less ridiculous.

      • MKey1

        Maybe he really meant he can SCAN a book…as in put it in a scanner to copy parts he doesn’t understand but thinks are ‘gotchas’. Reading doesn’t seem to be his strong suit.

        • brazen1

          that’s how I interpreted it.

        • Arthur Paliden

          Do you think he even has a suit?

    • Kate Johnson

      Nope. You can’t.

  • Arthur Paliden

    Well is suction is lost during weening I would recommend putting the baby down and then cleaning up the mess. And then start on solid foods.

    • KitKat

      Theres a friend of Jahi’s dad on fb ( her real father) that has a pic of her child breast feeding. And he looks to be about 3. He is standing up doing it. And this breast is huge. It was quite disgusting.

      • MistyDay

        I thought FB didn’t allow breastfeeding pics. Just about any other kind is OK but not breast feeding.

        • KitKat

          It’s her main pic, which makes it worse. I guess I could report it. You can’t breast feed your baby in public without it being covered. This is out for all the world to see.

          • brazen1

            maternal exhibitionism. they claim it is okay, because it is natural – and get annoyed when people point out that pooping is also natural.

        • Arthur Paliden

          Males breastfeeding kids is ok. No I don’t know why ….

        • KitKat

          Actually, scrap that. I went to find and put it at Indy’s, but realized when I clicked on it, it appears to be her huge belly. I guess he’s kisskng it. Looks like a breast the way her clothes are. Sorry.

          • brazen1

            hopefully that means it is a pregnant belly picture – because that is slightly less creepy than the other options.

  • MKey1

    Well, gotta go do some work. If Johnny shows up again…

    1. What will happen when they wean Jahi, given she has no demonstrable brain stem function and fails apnea testing, John?

    2. Were you lying, John, when you claimed to have hacked computers to get PHI on Jahi McMath, or did you really commit a federal offense?

    Still waiting on your answers.

    • brazen1

      also time for me to be done for the night.

    • John Benton

      I agree. The brain stem is gone and she’s not a candidate for weaning. However, if they plan on filing the lawsuit, to reverse the death certificate, they need to perform this procedure. It’s necessary. They need to tell the court that they agree with Fishers brain-stem death diagnosis and then argue that the due process of law allows them to challenge his diagnosis based on UDDA’s legal definition of death. A perfect opportunity to tell the court that brain death cannot be determined without evidence of sufficient intracranial pathology.

      • MKey1

        Oh, look, Johnny knows how to plagiarize whole sentences, because he can’t think for himself and put things into his own words. I knew this sentence couldn’t be his…

        “Brain death cannot be determined without evidence of sufficient intracranial pathology”

        …and sure enough it wasn’t. It came from the answer to a CICM Exam question from 2008.

        The fail is so strong with John Boy. He doesn’t even know what that means.

        • John Benton

          I’ve given you the ONLY legal strategy that might work in reversing Jahi’s death certificate. And yes it requires research. Even if it came from CICM exam. HAHA!

          I was expecting you to counter them but I guess you have nothing. The hallmarks of a sheeple. HAHA.

          • RPColtrane

            Coming form the king of the stupid people that means nothing. Of course, nothing you’ve ever said has had any meaning. It must really suck to be you. Hope you stocked up on kleenex.

          • John Benton

            You hate me but I’m empathetic, remember?

          • RPColtrane

            No one said I hate you. I just think you are an idiott the likes of which the world has never seen before and you can’t do anything to try and prove me wrong. in fact, you seem driven to prove right with every post you make and it’s still as hilarious as it was a year ago.

          • John Benton

            You mean you have feelings for me?

          • KitKat

            Are you sad today? We kinda like you. Sometimes. When you’re human.

          • RPColtrane

            Which is ~.000000001% of the time.

          • KitKat

            I can’t get back on Mercury news, lol.

          • RPColtrane

            Doh! Maybe rest your browser. Delete cookies/temp files all that junk.

          • RPColtrane

            I have no feelings about you at all other than your stupidity amuses me.

    • John Benton

      Work? lulz

  • John Benton

    Newsflash: Doctors who works for Insurance Companies, with their dwindling practice, had moved away from what remains the legal definition of death in the U.S. A much lesser standard is needed nowadays. They can declare you DEAD if you’re severely disabled, in deep coma, and without spontaneous respiration. Humbug!

    “An individual who has sustained either (1) irreversible cessation of circulatory and respiratory functions, or (2) irreversible cessation of all functions of the entire brain, including the brain stem, is dead.”

    • RPColtrane

      Newsflash: Johnny is still a fail troll

    • acumenata

      How’s that terminal weaning of Jahi going, Benton?

    • MKey1

      John: Were you lying about having hacked into computers and stolen protected health information on Jahi McMath, or did you really commit a federal crime?

      • John Benton

        What’s your specialty again?

        • RPColtrane

          Putting google doctors in their place fail boy. Answer his question and maybe he’ll talk to you. I, on the other hand, will continue to make of how stupid you are. lulz

          • John Benton

            Kmart close?

          • RPColtrane

            Keep trying failboat.

          • John Benton

            A boat that sinks? What about goop marine? Would that work?

          • RPColtrane

            More proof. One day you won’t fail. Keep trying.

          • KitKat

            why are you here when new articles are out all over the internet?

          • John Benton

            link

          • KitKat

            You can’t be serious? Court filing today. Did you oversleep?

          • RPColtrane

            He’s just a tard who can’t remember all the skill sets he’s claimed in the last year.

          • KitKat

            Well he’s missing out on the comment boards that are actually alive.

          • John Benton

            Link me.

          • KitKat

            The only real link you need is the 12 pages of documentation that was filed today. Not by Dolan. Can you guess who?

          • John Benton

            Another lawyer?

          • KitKat

            Yes. Guess who.

          • John Benton

            I already know. You’re too late.

          • RPColtrane

            But we’ve known all day failboy.

          • acumenata

            LOL

          • John Benton

            Busy with Lefschetz theorem.

          • KitKat

            Lol. Google my friend. Start with Mercury news.or can’t you post there?

          • John Benton

            I’m banned there.

          • KitKat

            Sorry. It’s really hopping with comments. You’d love it.

          • John Benton

            Title?

          • KitKat

            Use your skills. I have the document on PDF.

          • John Benton

            Too tired.

          • KitKat

            Lol. So you want to stay in the dark? While we have new information?

          • RPColtrane

            Translation. Johnny is too stupid to do what he claims he can. He can’t even get around a ban. So much for those vaunted computer skills. lulz

          • KitKat

            Here. PDF file. Please entertain us with your thoughts. https://s3.amazonaws.com/s3.documentcloud.org/documents/1679717/mcmath-complaint.pdf

          • MKey1

            But Johnny has INSIDER INFORMATION. Funny how he’s the last to know, isn’t it?

    • acumenata

      How’s that terminal weaning going?

    • KitKat

      Are you getting kicked off all the comment boards? Maybe you should try to behave a little better. The rest of us are still thriving there. Lulz.

    • KitKat

      Why are you hiding, John William…

  • Arthur Paliden

    Christian Family of California Teen Jahi McMath Say Doctors Who Haven’t Examined Her Agree Girl Isn’t ‘Brain Dead’

    There fixed the title for you.

    • Kate Johnson

      Pesky technicalities!!!

      • KitKat

        ✔️

  • John Benton

    After reviewing the complaint again, I discovered 3 items supporting a theory that Jahi lost her airway, before she coded.

    1. According to Rosen’s Operative Report, he discovered Jahi’s right carotid artery was more to the center and close to the surgical site.

    2. There were multiple intubation attempts on her when she coded

    3. From 2030 to before 2200, there was no entry on the time line. This could be an indication that Jahi’s bleeding temporarily stopped. Is that possible? Could repeated episodes of copious bleeding with spontaneous cessation be possible in this case. Let’s check theRN flow sheet. Let’s see if the RN documented anything about temporary cessation of bleeding. They did say it was normal, right?

    Carotid Artery Pseudoaneurysm after Tonsillectomy: Inadvertent vascular trauma may occur during surgery on the head and neck area affecting arteries and veins and cause abnormal hemorrhage. The arterial injury may develop arterial laceration, occlusion, spasm, dissection, arteriovenous fistula and pseudoaneurysm. Cerebral embolism may occur during the surgery in ICA lesions. Lesions like laceration, occlusion, and dissection, may resolve after the injury and they can complicate clinically only during the surgical procedure. If the lesion is not well controlled during the surgery, furthermore hematoma may organize and develop a definite arteriovenous fistula (AVF) or pseudoaneurysm, which can enlarge and cause oral or nasal hemorrhage, as well as a mass that can grow rapidly, mainly in cases of pseudoaneurysm. The growing mass will progressively compress adjacent structures, causing pain and disturbing swallowing and breathing. This is a very dangerous situation, requiring urgent treatment mainly due the airway obstruction

  • Fiona Goode

    I hope her siblings are dealing with all of this OK. It must be really hard on them.

    • MKey1

      Can’t even imagine what it would be like for them.

    • cameron

      This is going to haunt them for the rest of their lives. Can you imagine the nightmares?

  • Kate Johnson

    “Neuroscientist Phil DeFina of the International Brain Research
    Foundation stated that he is considering treating McMath with a drug
    that could help improve her consciousness”

    How funny that they are only NOW considering this. Could this article be slightly incorrect in any way??

    • http://compassexhibits.com/ nautipirate

      He stated this recently??? Wow, a little late in the game to try that.

      • Kate Johnson

        Yes, right in the article above.

    • Auguti Zauberzeh

      “a drug that could help improve her consciousness” ………. that means basically nothing,she isn’t conscious

  • John Benton

    Carotid Artery Pseudoaneurysm after tonsillectomy is an inadvertent vascular trauma that may occur during surgery on the head and neck area affecting arteries and veins and cause abnormal hemorrhage. The arterial injury may develop arterial laceration, occlusion, spasm, dissection, arteriovenous fistula and pseudoaneurysm. Cerebral embolism may occur during the surgery in ICA lesions. Lesions like laceration, occlusion, and dissection, may resolve after the injury and they can complicate clinically only during the surgical procedure. If the lesion is not well controlled during the surgery, furthermore hematoma may organize and develop a definite arteriovenous fistula (AVF) or pseudoaneurysm, which can enlarge and cause oral or nasal hemorrhage, as well as a mass that can grow rapidly, mainly in cases of pseudoaneurysm. The growing mass will progressively compress adjacent structures, causing pain and disturbing swallowing and breathing. This is a very dangerous situation, requiring urgent treatment mainly due the airway obstruction