Michigan Mayor to Counter Atheist Booth By Distributing ‘In God We Trust’ Posters

FoutsWARREN, Mich. — A mayor in Michigan states that he will be countering an atheist booth that will be set up near a prayer station at city hall by distributing “In God We Trust” posters through his office

As previously reported, Warren resident and member of the Freedom from Religion Foundation (FFRF) Douglas Marshall submitted a request last year to the Downtown Development Authority to use the atrium at city hall on Tuesdays and Thursdays from 11 a.m. to 3 p.m. to run a “reason station,” where he would promote free thought.

However, according to reports, Marshall requested the same times that the “prayer station” is utilized to offer prayers for residents.

Mayor Jim Fouts denied the request, stating that Marshall’s display was meant to purposefully interfere with the “prayer station” and could lead to disruption. He remarked that FFRF seeks to remove God from public life and he would not allow Marshall, whom he called a “designated hitter” for the organization, to succeed in the group’s efforts in his city.

“To my way of thinking, your group is strictly an anti-religion group intending to deprive all organized religions of their constitutional freedoms or at least discourage the practice of religion,” Fouts wrote. “The City of Warren cannot allow this.”

Following the denial, Marshall asserted that Fouts’ refusal was a violation of his right to free speech, and denied that FFRF had anything to do with his request for the “reason station.” FFRF, the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) and Americans United for Separation of Church and State (AU) then banded to file a federal lawsuit against the city over the matter.

Last month, U.S. Magistrate Judge Michael J. Hluchaniuk approved a settlement with Warren officials to allow Marshall to have the display, which will reportedly be next to the prayer station as requested.

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Now, Mayor Fouts states that he will make “In God We Trust” posters available for free at city hall in part because of the reason station now being permitted.

“Obviously, I was concerned about the court order that forced the city of Warren to have a reason station within our City Hall atrium,” Fouts told C&G. “The prayer station had been functioning for years without any problems or any controversy. They’re now allowed to have an atheist station under the euphemistic guise of a reason station.”

While Fouts and other outlets describe the arrangement as a court order, the ACLU asserted in a press release last month that there was a settlement between attorneys for both parties, which was then approved by the court.

“In the settlement, city officials reversed course and agreed to provide the ‘reason station’ with full, equal access to the building,” it said.

Regardless, Fouts noted that “In God We Trust” has been the national motto since the 1950’s and that his current effort is part of a wider endeavor launched by In God We Trust America out of California.

“Promoting patriotism by encouraging elected officials to legally display our national motto ‘In God We Trust’ in every city and county chamber in America keep God’s name in America and show a commitment to the values our county was founded upon,” is the organization’s mission according to its website.

“I think the city of Warren will become the most prominent and the most visible and maybe the largest city to do this,” Fouts stated. “I’m not alone in doing this.”


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  • Better AndBetter

    And once again we see religionists demanding one-upmanship in special treatment.

    • Paul Hiett

      Sad to see a mayor of a town abuse his position to push his choice of a religion.

      • alilwacked

        He’s not, he’s is leveling and balancing it out.

        • Paul Hiett

          It was level and balanced before he decided to pull this poster stunt. Plain and simple, he’s pushing Christianity.

          You don’t see him pushing Judaism or Islam or any other religion except his own. It’s a dangerous precedent to try and set. Granted, many of you won’t see it that way, because he’s pushing the same religion your parents chose for you, so naturally you agree with him.

          • Steve

            Christianity is NOT a Religion! like False religions like Islam,Judaism and atheism.Plain and Simple,there is only ONE GOD,The Great I AM…..

          • Joe

            Oh we got a foamer here. Get the bib ready.

          • Trinity

            Amen. Amen.

        • Joe

          “Awaaaaaaaaah! This was my playground and now they are letting others play in it! Well, I am going to bring my toys and not let them play with them.”

          This is childish. Is this really what the city needs to be doing with its money? I guess considering the failed finances of other cities in Michigan, this should come as no surprise.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          No, that happened when the Reason Station was set up. The whole point is to counter the Prayer Station.

        • zellersgs

          How is he leveling it out by denying one group over another? Seems like preferential treatment any way you look at it. And to then spend taxpayer money to produce posters that advocate for a specific faith….hmmmm….

          I always enjoy ‘but it says God on our money’…For a ‘few’ years, it did not…

          1690 – first currency on our shores until 1957…nada. 267 years …

          Then the big commie scare and suddenly it was a must. WOW – a whole 58 years of it being there…

    • Jose

      but he’s right… “In God we trust” is what this nation was built on…sad to see americans don’t see this anymore. I applaud him for standing for truth

      • Paul Hiett

        So our nation was founded in the 1950’s?

        • Jose

          What are you talking about? Have you even ever read the whole document that started this great nation? Read it first and then tell me this country was not founded under a sovereign God, also see my comment above incase you want an expert of it

          • Paul Hiett

            By all means, since you’re an expert on it, tell me how the Declaration of Independence establishes the laws of this country and not the Constitution.

            I can’t wait for this!

          • Better AndBetter

            “In god we trust” is found NOWHERE in the DOI or constitution.

            Good grief. You make bunny sad.

          • Jose

            Learn how to read lol no one claimed that you ignorant fool, I took an excerpt straight out of the constitution. That talked about our creator. Not “one for us all”

          • Paul Hiett

            Where, exactly, in the Constitution does it mention your religion?

          • Joe

            Where is that excerpt you took out?

          • Jose

            Well I’d really hate to type this all out again but just so you know that clause is on thier to prevent any tyranny that might occur like when they were under British control. But to deny that this countries organs weren’t founded on Croatian principles is flawed. Here’s the excerpt,
            “We claim these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal and have been endowed by our CREATOR with certain unalienable rights…”

            It is this creator that made us all equal that propelled this nation into what it is today. Without a creator there are no unalienable rights or “natural laws” as Jefferson put it

          • Joe

            Creator was used on purpose, because Jefferson was a Deist and not a Christian. It incorporated all beliefs and thus why there is no state religion.

          • Paul Hiett

            And that’s an excerpt from the Constitution, eh?

          • Better AndBetter

            “Creator” is not “in god we trust”.

            It also fails to point to YOUR creator. It’s a generic term… on purpose.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “Read it first and then tell me this country was not founded under a sovereign God”

            This country was not founded under a sovereign God.

          • Jose

            You’re reading and comprehension skill should be questioned

          • Paul Hiett

            ‘Your’ grammar skills should be as well.

          • Jose

            Ahh the old attack his grammar bc im undoubtably wrong technique, nice lol

          • Paul Hiett

            After you just attacked his “reading and comprehension” skills.

            Do you know what the word “hypocrite” means?

          • Jose

            And there you go again derailin from the topic at hand. You obviously lost. But thank you for coming to his rescue and wasting your time lol

          • Paul Hiett

            Let me get this straight…you attack him personally stating that his reading and comprehension skills are lacking, and then turn around and get indignant when someone points out your grammatical error?

            If you didn’t want to get criticized for poor grammar, you shouldn’t have gone after someone else for something similar. If you can’t handle the same criticism that you make of others, then maybe you shouldn’t have criticized him the way you did.

          • Joe

            The fact is there is no state religion, never has been. So it is not a Christian nation. You can not change history.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            How so?

            Is the word “God” mentioned in either the DoI or the Constitution? Is there mention that the Christian god is the supreme leader of the country, or is it stated anywhere that the Christian god possesses ultimate power?

            What exactly is it that you are reading that you suggest I am not able to comprehend?

        • Jose

          so more like 1776

          • Paul Hiett

            And here I thought that slogan was adopted in 1956. Silly me.

          • Jose

            No you’re right it was eat that year, but the concept has been our founding

          • Paul Hiett

            No, no it hasn’t. I’m not sure where you got that idea, but you’re entirely wrong. This nation, as stated by the Treaty of Tripoli, among other things, is not a “Christian nation”.

            You need to learn your history.

          • Joe

            Just took them 200 years to figure it out? Keep dreaming.

          • Better AndBetter

            My god… how did you end up so ignorant?

          • Jose

            Even in my lowest level of “ignorance” I’m wiser than your foolish wisdom lol

          • Better AndBetter

            Hardly… at least I know where “in god we trust” came into normative acceptance in American culture.

            You? You’re living in a fantasy world.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            “In God We Trust” did not exist on our money or as our motto until the 1950s.

      • thoughtsfromflorida

        Actually, the country was built on “E Pluribus Unum” – One from many. “In God We Trust” came two centuries later and was done in the midst of the cold war as a statement against atheist Russia.

        • Jose

          Actually no it wasn’t, have you ever read the Declaration of Independence? It amazes me how many americans have never even read the document that started it all, but here is a short excerpt, ” We declare these truths to be self evident that all men are created equal, and have been endowed by our CREATOR, with certain unalienable rights…” and like this it goes on about God and his divinity on another section.

          • Paul Hiett

            When do you think “In God We Trust” became our “motto”?

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            Actually, yes it was. If you study the history of the country you would know that “E Pluribus Unum” was on the currency and on the Great Seal of the United States.

            It amazes me that people quote the DoI as if it is some sort of governing document for the US. It is not. It was a document that presented a justification for breaking away from England.

            Please cite the section of the DoI that discusses the Christian God and his divinity.

            Please cite ANY part of the original constitution – the foundation of our nation – that makes ANY mention of God, religion, or Christianity.

            Are you a citizen of the US?

          • Better AndBetter

            Vishnu endowed us with unalienable rights?

            Or was it Odin?

            Or Cerrunous?

            Or FSM?

            Or Xenu?

          • Joe

            Zoroaster. Don’t forget him.

          • Joe

            Wow. For being a bunch of Christians founding a Christian country, it is sure odd to have a clause that states that the government will have no state religion, because it is a “Christian” country, right?

          • Jehova

            We are not governed by the Declaration. Its purpose was to “dissolve the political bands,” not to set up a religious nation. Its authority was based on the idea that “governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,” which is contrary to the biblical concept of rule by divine authority. It deals with laws, taxation, representation, war, immigration, and so on, never discussing religion at all.
            Please note that the Declaration says nothing about our rights secured by Christianity. It bears repeating: “Governments are instituted among men.” The references to “Nature’s God,” “Creator,” and “Divine Providence” in the Declaration do not endorse Christianity. Thomas Jefferson, its author, was a Deist, opposed to Christianity and the supernatural.

            -http://ffrf.org

          • Steve

            GOD started it All…..

          • Joe

            Actually, humans created God.

            So if Humans created God who created humans who created god who created…..

            Error…. infinite loop detected. Runtime error.

          • misterprecedent

            The Declaration of Independence has no bearing on the laws of the United States. It just outlined the reasons for a SEPARATION from Great Britain, where church and state were intertwined. Their goal was to NOT create a new country with the same problem.

        • Better AndBetter

          Bingo!

      • Better AndBetter

        Built upon?

        ROFLOL!!! It was added to our currence in the freaking 1950’s!

        History FAIL.

    • The Lone Ranger

      If they’re religionists yes, (God knows ) but if they’re in God we trust they will acquire their special treatment through God’s favor .Of course the natural man cannot discern the supernatural he is not subject to it neither can be, it is my friend through the spirit . You see there is a difference between religionists and the indwelling of the spirit when the spirit of God dwells in you Sir, that makes it personal , it don’t matter how much you love your religion or who or what you claim to be. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
      Romans 8 : 5 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. 6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

      7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

      8 So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.

      9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

      10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.

      11 But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you.

      • Better AndBetter

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        Mugup grindah anuthah owt dinnahbucket Hold’er Newt she’s, heddin for da ruhbarb!, mugup jeezly Outta Staydahs aht The ‘Gash You is sum wicked suhmart out in th’ willie-wacks, yahd clammin’ swampdonkey muckle riyht on’ta her cubboard, kid The County Hammah Gohd Dammah, feeder’ the beans Powrtland Museum of Aht native, no-see-um muckle riyht on’ta her front dooryahd Bangoah Bah Hahbah scrod leaf peepahs, kife stove-up front dooryahd. Podunk down east chimbly gawmy yahd rhubaahb yow uns ayuhpawt.

      • Paul Hiett

        Well, that’s all fine and and good…but it has no bearing on this issue. A mayor cannot push his own particular version of a religion on others.

      • Joe

        “However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.” (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

        Maybe the Atheists should request to put this Bible scripture on display in the building?

  • thoughtsfromflorida

    Well there’s another lawsuit in the making and another waste of the town’s money. Is his faith so fragile that he needs to be doing this?

    • Joe

      Yep. I guess $100,000 wasn’t enough of a set back for the city. Isn’t it nice when the mayor volunteers city money to promote the very thing he is fighting against?

      I find it humorous and ironic.

    • The Last Trump

      I know right! Silly attention starved atheist. Why can’t they just leave well enough alone? Chalk another needless waste of taxpayer money up to the irrational ones fighting tooth and nail against something they don’t even believe exists! Go figure.

      • thoughtsfromflorida

        So we agree that his faith must be really fragile.

    • mcrognale

      No. His faith is strong to stand in the face of the assaults by the satanic fools; Useful idiots doing the devil’s work either knowingly or unwittingly. Hate away but I am tired of reading drivel such as the above post and the others that followed. I will call you out every time. Get used to it.

      • thoughtsfromflorida

        I don’t hate anyone.

        “but I am tired of reading drivel such as the above post and the others that followed.”

        Then don’t do it anymore.

        • mcrognale

          The point you ignore is the one about my calling you out. Not going to sit by and allow you to insult and disrespect us any longer. Don’t like it? Then don’t write the drivel anymore.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            In what way have I insulted or disrespected you?

          • Deina

            By asking questions they can’t answer, silly! 🙂

  • Jeffery Kinkead

    America the ungodly: http://youtu.be/Er5bvvHhSNg

    • Paul Hiett

      I find it sad that you think that all of the contributions by the people that built this nation, that make it what is today, were by Christians only. Your narrow minded view reeks of a lack of education.

      • Better AndBetter

        Plenty of education… just wrong and selective education.

        • Paul Hiett

          Or as I like to call it…indoctrination.

    • Joe
  • Jehova

    Oh boy, this is fun. So now we (atheists) will pass out posters of something like this http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/6/6e/Touched_by_His_Noodly_Appendage.jpg (Praise FSM) and the major will put a stop to it. We will get support from the FFRF and sue the city. The mayor will then cave and now we have even more religious stuff where it shouldn’t be in the first place. When will the pious get the point?

    • Paul Hiett

      R’amen!

      • Crono478

        Love it when you are just displaying this counterfeit version of amen supposed to be based on “reason”. It also shows that you have borrowed this from Bible to praise actions by FFRF.

        • Paul Hiett

          So you’re perfectly ok with governments pushing religion, but somehow take offense to this.

          You don’t think maybe your priorities are a tad mixed up?

        • Joe

          Its called satire.

        • Jehova

          About FSM Pastafarianism, most everyone has got it wrong, I take it very seriously. Flying Spaghetti Monster has revealed herself in the form of a mock religion because she didn’t want to force herself on us. If she revealed herself any more, we would have no choice but to worship her. She has revealed herself perfectly, because she is God and Gods plan is perfect by definition.

          It takes a leap of faith to accept in her, the choice is up to you friend. The great beer volcano and stripper factory awaits those who accept her carbohydratic love.

    • Better AndBetter

      R’amen!

      May you be Touched by His Noodly Appendage!

    • The Last Trump

      “now we have even more religious stuff where it shouldn’t be in the first place. When will the pious get the point?”

      I hear you! It would be like having a constant barrage of atheists hanging out at a religious, Christian website!
      Oh wait…

      • Joe

        Hmmm….. maybe its because I searched for “Atheist News” and this article came up. Seems relevant to me.

      • Jehova

        I’ve no idea how you think what I said is remotely analogous to atheists commenting on an article about atheists.

  • TheBBP

    Cool, both posters are being offered and all is fair. There should be no other problem.

    • Joe

      Except is that what the mayor should be doing? Personally I vote for people that are going to be doing something more important…. like trying to lower crime rates or ensure teachers are being paid. This is just petty.

      • TheBBP

        I see nothing wrong with him taking time to do this.

        • Joe

          No? How did you feel when his actions cost the city $100,000?

          • TheBBP

            He has constituents to deal with. If his citizens do not have an issue with him, they will re-elect him. If he is a detriment, he will not get re-elected. It is not up to you or I to decide otherwise.

          • Joe

            Well, I guess our opinions then reflect what some of his constituents might be thinking. I wouldn’t vote for him. He has proven himself inept.

          • misterprecedent

            He is obligated to uphold the U.S. Constitution and protect the First Amendment rights of ALL citizens, regardless of what his constituents think or want.

  • Peter Leh

    as long as the opportunity is extended to all religions it is all legal

    • Jehova

      I agree, however wouldn’t you prefer your government buildings not resembling a religious bazaar?

      • Better AndBetter

        Agreed.

      • Peter Leh

        maybe. that why it is all or nothing on the part of the government agency. The issue is if the agent allows one and not the other.

        you have a good point. If i walk into a bazaar of religious expression i will overcome any irritation by thanking god i don;t live in iran or something. 😉

  • Joe

    Thank you o mayor of Warren, Michigan.

    Instead of fading out of the spotlight after you had to hide your tail between your legs, you pop your head out to bite at the ankles of those who put you in your place.

    You fail to represent ALL of your constituents, which is your first failure, so you looked for a way to strike back “legally”. It all amounts to “revenge” over losing your legal battle. Its petty really.

    So here you go again, trying to drag at the pant leg of the bigger picture, and that is that you really shouldn’t be using your power as mayor to push a religion at all, and now yet again, you are putting the towns tax dollars at risk again. I wonder how the town of Warren will react when you lose another court case and have to pay their tax dollars that should have gone to the city services you are supposed to be funding. Might want to start visiting your prayer station, because you are going to need all the help you can get, because as was proven before, you are on the wrong side of the law.

    Meanwhile, Atheism gets the public podium again at your expense. I thank you, because you make it cheap and efficient to get the word out that religion can not walk over those that choose to not believe.

  • GoldenSnow

    Have you been to Warren MI? I would hope the mayor focuses his time and money on more important issues that Warren has.

  • EBounding

    Religion aside, can the DDA revoke a group’s request if they think the group will be disruptive to another group? This is the fundamental issue.

    • Rebus Caneebus

      I’d say that’s prior restraint, which is generally not allowed. It’s just censorship based on a “hunch” instead of actual facts.

  • misterprecedent

    Now he must allow atheists, Muslims, Jews, Satanists, Wiccans, etc. to distribute posters, too.

    THIS will eventually result in the unconstitutional motto being restored to its original form. Yay!

  • Angel Jabbins

    I don’t think he needs to hand out posters. The atheist booth will be won’t be too busy anyway. What do they have to offer the people passing by….absolutely nothing.

    • Paul Hiett

      You should pay more attention to the world around you. More and more in the younger generations are turning away from religion.

      • Angel Jabbins

        Yes, Paul, I do know. When I was young once, I turned from it too. But, I found out as the years passed….it had nothing for me, so I am back to faith in God with no regrets.

        When people are hurting, even if they feel they don’t believe, at which table do you think they will find some comfort…the atheist table which offers nothing or the table where someone cares enough to pray for them?

        Just saying….

  • Kaitlyn Griffin

    If Jesus sees an In God We Trust sign in your yard, you get to go first in the rapture!

  • BarkingDawg

    I wonder what would happen if some Santeria followers were to butcher a chicken at the prayer station.

  • Trinity

    Evil in the Last Days

    …, holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; 2 Timothy 3:5

    “His name is still recognized in our Government. Thus, “In God We Trust” is still imprinted on our U.S. Dollar Bills. Unfortunately, a time is coming where God’s name will be removed from our Monetary’ s system because there will be a new World Order.

    “Behold the wisdom of the Lord in this season, for it will be the time that I shall wash away the cancer of greed in the land ̶ it will be the hour of great cleansing. I will come and judge the systems and standards that are an abomination in My Nostrils.”

    Our Nation’s future Political Change and Dishonor

    “I saw the Hand of the Lord breaking out of the sky holding the money of men
    [Historic Men of Honor]. He said unto me, “Look upon the money that now is,
    and the money that shall be.” As I beheld the denominations of the bills, the mouths
    of the men that were on the bills began to drop, and water poured from their eyes. I
    asked, “Why are they mourning? What is the weeping that I hear?” The Lord
    answered me and said, “It is the hour of their burial, and a currency shall arise that
    will not remind you of these men [Historic Men of Honor] anymore.”
    Written Judgments, E. Bernard Jordan

    This is our world that’s drastically changing removing God out of the equation. But you want me and my family to put our faith and trust in the system?

    Did you removed the Pledge of Allegiance from your Public Schools as of yet? It
    stands factual ̶we are “One nation under God”.

    Please feel free to read “Silent No More” it’s not a read just for Christians, but for all Americans.

    Our times demand it. Our history compels it. Our future requires it. And God is watching. Bringing Mortal Clarity to America… while freedom still rings.

  • Trinity

    Preview II, plus

    Amazing Children Discoveries

    “I shall cause you to see a day that children will work miracles and come forth with amazing discoveries. It will be the Day of Amazement in the earth. Unbelievers shall come to witness the miracles. Many will never fully commit to Me, but they will see My Glory,” saith the Lord.

    “I will cause men to see visions in images that will literally divide the Church as to whether it is I or not, for many will not comprehend My doings in this hour.

    At the same time, you will also see that the prince of darkness [it’s through people who choose to open themselves up to allow evil spirits overtake and possess them] will work wonders that shall be startling in their magnitude. Only those that have an ear [Spiritually inclined] to hear will discern that which is of Me and that which is not. I will cause you to know those that are mine by their testimony and confession of the Lord Jesus Christ. This will be the hour that men will ask individuals on national television, ‘Who do you confess to?” in attempt to discern whether they are of Me or not.”

    Judgment of the Lord

    “These are the days that men who have worshipped idol gods will come to their end. Nationsthat had embraced the darkness of witchcraft and denied My Name shall not be in existence [Power] any longer. For I shall have them in derision… this season shall be marked with My laughter.”

    “I will be a day that the Gospel of the Kingdom will bring change, for I will raise up those that will have the spirit of Caleb, and Joshua to bring the word of the Lord unto them without fear or comprise. They will bring them into the reality of My Son, Jesus. “The coming judgment in the earth are for redemptive purposes, “saith the Lord.”10 Things Americans Wish They Had Known and 7 Things They Have to Know, Master Prophet, Bishop E. Bernard Jordan

    Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible

    Is not my word like as a fire? saith the Lord,…. The legal part of it is as fire; it is called a “fiery law”,Deuteronomy 33:2; like fire, it is quick and piercing, and penetrating into the hearts and consciences of men; and works wrath there, and raises a fearful expectation of fiery indignation; it threatens with everlasting fire; it sentences men to the fire of hell; and the righteous Judge, in the execution of it, will be a consuming fire to wicked men. The Gospel part of the word is like fire, on account of the light the entrance of it gives to sinners; by which they see their own impurity, impotence, and the insufficiency of their own righteousness, and the way of life and salvation by Christ; and by the light of this fire saints are directed in their walk and conversation; and by it immoralities, errors, and superstition, are detected: also on account of the heat of it; it is the means of a vital heat to sinners, the savour of life to them; and is warming and comforting to saints, and causes their hearts to burn within them; it inflames them with love to God, Christ, and one another, and with zeal for truth and the interest of a Redeemer; though it has a scorching and tormenting heat to wicked men, and fills them with burning malice and envy, Revelation 11:5; and, through the corruption of human nature, is the occasion of contention and discord, for which reason Christ calls it fire, Luke 12:49; and indeed it has different effects on different objects, as fire, which hardens some things and softens others; see 2 Corinthians 2:16; moreover, it may be compared to fire for its purifying, separating, and trying nature: as fire purifies gold and silver, and separates the dross, and tries the metal, and shows it what it is; so the Gospel tries men’s principles, and discovers what they are, and separates one from another: and also for its consuming nature; it opposes, weakens, and burns up the worst in man, his lusts and corruptions, which it teaches him to deny; and the best in man, all his holiness and righteousness he depended upon; and it burns up the chaff of false doctrine and human inventions before mentioned.

    “…Congress wanted to prevent a national church but allow the states to be as religious as their citizens wanted them to be.” Rod Parsley

    Additional References:

    Misleading talk of “separation of church and state” obscures the true meaning of the First Amendment.

    “When Delaware U.S. Senate candidate Christine O’Donnell interjected this question in last week’s debate with her opponent Chris Coons, the audience—a law school audience—laughed and guffawed in derision. But the joke, of course, is on the audience: as everyone with even a modicum of understanding of the Constitution knows, the term “separation of church and state” appears nowherein the Constitution. Even Mr. Coons acknowledged as much. The metaphor of a “wall of separation” comes from a letter President Thomas Jefferson penned to a group of Baptists in Danbury, Connecticut—a dozen years after the Constitution and Bill of Rights were ratified. The phrase is not mentioned in the Constitution’s text or in any of the debates leading to its ratification.

    What the Constitution’s First Amendment does say is that government shall make no law “respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” It is well to attend to the actual words of the Constitution (an admirable obsession of some Tea Party folks, like Ms. O’Donnell). Nowhere is this more important than with the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment: forbidding an official establishment of religion is something quite different from the much looser, imprecise term “separation of church and state.” The Constitution only forbids government sponsorship and compulsion of religious exercise by individual citizens. It does not require hermetic “separation”—implying exclusion—of religion and religious persons from public affairs of state.”

    Michael Stokes Paulsen is University Chair & Professor of Law at the University of St. Thomas, in Minneapolis. He is the co-author, with his son Luke Paulsen, of the forthcoming The Constitution: An Intelligent Introduction and Brief History.

    For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (2 Tim 4:3-4 KJV)

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    The Attempt to Establish a Form of Self-Government

    “…when man rejected heaven’s government, he had no choice but to accept as an alternative the disappointing plethora of human attempts at government.” Dr. Myles Munroe

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    Yes! These corrupt things must come to past for Armageddon to begin and then the end shall come. The Bible Don’t Lie.

    B.I.B.L.E

    Biblical
    Instructions
    Before
    Leaving
    Earth

    Put your Trust in God-Not Man.

    Freedom From the Constitution

    …”I looked down upon a map of the United States. My eyes beheld governments in
    turmoil. And the Voice of the Lord began to say, “This will be the day that you will
    see states forming ungodly alliances. They shall begin to demand freedom from
    the boundaries of the Constitution. Many shall say, ‘How can these things be?’ but
    it is the hour that the spirit of uprising and rebellion shall visit your land.” 10 Things Americans Wish they Knew and 7 Things they have to Know, E. Bernard Jordan

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    Here’s a sneak preview (1)…. Do not just merely read. Hear the Voice of the true and living God! Repent! The Kingdom of God draws nigh.

    Radical Voices

    “These will be the days”, saith the Lord, “that you will see men [Men and women] carrying the bread of life [the intangible Word of God] that will feed [richly bless] the nations of the world. I will raise up new voices that will sound the alarm of truth and justice, and you shall see My Face in degrees that have never been witnessed. This hour [time of the season] will be known as, The Hour of Radical Voices. You will hear radical voices on every front; political, world, national and international and international voices will cause such a stir that many will wonder if they will overthrow present day systems.”

    “It will be a season that I will begin to separate those that are with me and those who are against My plans and purposes. I will cause a transition to come forth in the leadership of the 21st century. You will see the day that the Church will have a more prominent position within society.”

    The Great Emerging

    “These are now the days in which I will bring about a new government within My Church. It will not be that My Ways are changing, but I am causing a different priesthood which will begin to emerge,“ saith the Lord. “It will be the time you will see different breed of leadership that will come forth.”

    “It is the hour that a different world government will emerge.” I began to weep, for I beheld great persecution coming from the church. It will be the time of kingdoms that will be in direct confrontation with one another. I will cause those that have not known My Name to have an encounter with Me that they will never forget, “ saith the Lord.

    “These are the generals that will bring forth much abundance into the earth that has never been seen by the eyes of men before. I call My people into a place of renewal, and I will speak unto thee concerning people and nations that will usher you into the next order of events which will shortly come to pass.” …

    “There is the coming forth of a people in this time that will bring forth the fire [the word of God is a consuming fire, Jeremiah 23:29] and judgments of the Lord. It will be the season of signs and wonders in the earth as the church and world has never known. Be prepared for the revolution that is coming in the earth, “ saith the Lord.

    “In this hour I will cause you to hear the seed that has come through great persecution, and you will hear their voices, and they will be the ‘Moses’ of their day,” saith the Lord. … “They will speak the judgment of the Lord unto an apostate system; it will be a system of the beast.

    Prepare yourselves, oh people of the Lord, for the voices in the earth will be voices that are not familiar to thine ears! I will cause your sons and daughters in this 21st century to send forth shock waves that the earth has never felt,“ saith the Lord. It will be the days of the emerging of My people in degrees that the earth has never known. I will remove the ungodly out of their seats of government, and you will see My Glory coming in a generation which the land (earth) has never seen. Major voices shall come forth that shall speak to political principalities. Come, and allow Me to work through you, for I will raise up standards against religious kingdoms that do not represent My Name,“ saith the Lord.

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    God’s Plans are Rich and of Unlimited POWER

    Though you wish or rather not to hear the God-Fearing TRUTH. I am the upright sound and voice that will NOT be quieted when the TRUTH must be told. This is God’s Created Earth and He is watching and taking account of every deed, action, motive, plan, intentions and ignorance, self-worship, self-praise, etc. Walk upright this day and change your ways! The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked; who can know it? …But God? Jeremiah 17:9 …No

    man knows the day nor the hour when the Lord returns for His people; who stood in the gap and fought the good fight of faith against wickedness in high places and the valley low.

    “If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven, [throne room] and I will forgive their sin and will heal their land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

    Repent, then and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord.” Acts 3:19

    “I decided stick to love…Hate is too great of a burden to bear.” Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. –

    Where Do We Go From Here, 1967.

    Sincerely, loving, faithfully and forgiving,

    In God Alone I will forever Trust

    Freedom of speech expressions for all those who has authentic and genuine inclined spiritual ears to hear what thus saith the Lord.

    Our currency indicates and declare “In God I Trust” from Psalm 56:11– You must grasp the Straight Forward revelation and Truthful meaning:

    Put not your trust in man [human beings], in whom there is no salvation. Psalm

    146:3

    It is better to take refuge in the LORD than to trust in man [people]. Psalm 118:8
    Trust in the LORD with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding;
    Seek His will in all you do, and He [Our Creator and Spiritual Father] will make
    your paths straight [He will show you which path to take] Proverbs 3: 5-6
    They are dogs with mighty appetites; they never have enough. They are the
    shepherds who lack understanding; they all turn to their own way, they seek their
    own gain… Isaiah 56:11

    …They were trying to get right with God [gain God’s approval] by keeping the law
    instead of by trusting in Him. [Thus,] They stumbled over the great rock in their
    path. Romans 9:32

    For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us
    who are being saved it is the power of God. 1 Corinthians 1:18

    The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit
    of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they
    are discerned only through the Spirit. 1 Corinthians 2:14

    17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save
    the world through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever
    does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the
    name of God’s one and only Son 19 This is the verdict: Light has come into the
    world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil.

    20 Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear
    that their deeds will be exposed. 21 But whoever lives by the truth comes into the
    light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the
    sight of God. John 3: 17-21

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    You are God and God alone~

    You will see the generation of mockery arise in the manner that the earth has

    never seen. It will be the time where men will laugh at those who have standards,

    “saith the Lord. But I will turn the mockery and you will hear a shout of laughter

    and triumph come out of the camp of My servants, “saith the Lord. “It will also be

    the time that the church structures will take on new dimensions, and you will see a

    people moving with a new degree of glory upon them. Prepare your hearts for

    things that you have never seen or heard before.”

    … “ It will be the day that I will cause you to understand that there will be no

    infraction within My Body, “ saith the Lord. “I will cause the places that have

    brought a spirit of isolation within My people to be driven out by My Spirit,“ saith

    the Lord. “You will see the hour of the unveiling of deceptive spirits and operation

    of satanic forces and I will bring forth their exposure by My Body coming into

    perfection in degrees that the Church has never known before,” saith the Lord.

    …The Lord further said, … A new group of worshippers shall emerge from the East.

    Great orators will bring forth a clear word and a redemptive word to an oppressed

    people. They will teach the world about prayer and meditation. I will cause the

    nations of the earth to take a look at their value system.”

    I looked into the future and I also saw the education system falling into the

    hands of men and women from the east. The areas of discipline that began to be

    instilled within these systems of education began to fall apart. But the word of the

    Lord came unto me saying, “Men will reach for many things, but I am waiting for

    them to reach for My will and purpose and visit all that I have in store for them.” Written Judgments, E. Bernard Jordan

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    Prophetic utterance over 20 years ago for such a time as this:

    New Foreign Alliances

    Then the Lord began to send instructions to the new generations of heralders. In

    the year 2015, trumpets large and small began to blast a sound all over the earth

    to which all men began to respond. Media began to pick up this sound, and they

    echoed it in the earth. And the Lord said, “I will bring thee into an hour of

    awakening. You will see the downtrodden rise up out of the murkiness of

    obscurity. The light of a new day will present itself, and you will witness the

    coming together of foreign nations which had refused alliances in the past sit

    down at negotiating tables and embrace their new loves. Mighty is the Lord of

    Hosts, and Mighty is His Name!”

    A New Currency

    I was surrounded by a sound of laughter which sounded snide and mocked the

    faces of men. I looked and saw the currency laughing within the earth. There was

    a great scurrying, and the dollar began to fall… fall… fall… and the nations around

    the earth began laughing at those who were selling large sums of items to salvage

    their investments. Then the word of the Lord came unto me saying. “A new

    currency shall come into the picture that will bring tears unto nations and

    commerce will change before your eyes.”

    Ref. -10 Things Americans Wish They Had Known And 7 Things They Have to Know

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    `Prophetic Sound Warning to the Church…to He/She that has an spiritually incline ear to hear:

    New Political Party

    “A new political party will make its way to the platform. A candidate will come forth that will America to a place of trembling.”

    I saw devils in the heavenlies running amok with glee, asking, ‘Is this the one that shall dethrone mankind”‘ There shall be a race that will seem to be very close, but the Lord says that this is the hour for shake up, yet it is not for change. But I warn the Church: speak to the political arena, but do not allow yourselves to lose sight of your first love [God] and miss the way. Remain on the course of a road, saith the Lord.

    Carl

    “There shall be a man that will emerge as a voice to the nations. I was taken into the heavens to behold four letter, C-A-R-L. As I waited for greater clarity, the Lord said, “When you see this name appear in the media, know that major shake-ups shall strike the economy and foreign leaders will begin to lead this nation on a new course and shall bring you into a new destiny.

    Many will flee the country in this season because they will despise the new alliances that will start to form. But beware, ” saith the Lord, “lest you become deceived, for fleeing in this season is not the job of the Church. I call you to another anchor even more into your purpose to break the power of witchcraft that has dared to show itself within the walls of a country in a more visible way than anyone has ever witnessed.” 10 Things Americans Wish They Has Known And 7 Things They Have to Know, Bishop E. Bernard Jordan

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    People of God: You knew this would take place. …Have even partially understood what is in the making for our country in America…. Did you foresee this coming to past? Here it coming from the throne of God! Written in Written Judgments. Released Prophecy over 20 years ago for such a season as this or that we are quickly approaching.

    Dollar Loses Its Power

    “The season of intense technology shall be upon the land. You will see military forces merging in an attempt to gather more strength. Nations that you have never thought would come into power will enter into mutual agreements, and you will see My Hand separate the wheat and the tares.

    “Prepare! The dollar will lose its power, and you will behold another currency taking root within the hands of Americans. And this change will be blamed upon the economic collapse of the monetary system.

    This change shall happen in a moment; in the twinkling of a greedy eye, “saith the Lord. “Once those that manipulate the monetary system get their plan approved, you will see new money surface within the hands of the citizens of this nation. The day of privacy will be eliminated off of the planet, and a new technology will chart the movements of men and women. It will be the season of the unveiling of great secrets.”

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    TRUE SAINTS OF THE LORD: HAVE NO FEAR PEOPLE OF GOD- KNOW THAT THIS BATTLE/WAR BELONGS TO GOD

    God has His people’s front and rear!

    Isaiah 58:8 (AMP) | In Context

    8 Then shall your light break forth like the morning, and your healing (your restoration and the power of a new life) shall spring forth speedily; your righteousness (your rightness, your justice, and your right relationship with God) shall go before you [conducting you to peace and prosperity], and the glory of the Lord shall be your rear guard.

    References: Isaiah 54:17, Psalm 91, Psalm 23…

    Attack on Church by Government Agencies

    “You are now crossing into times that your eyes have never seen. It will be the day that the House of the Lord will be under close scrutiny and subversive attack by government agencies. There are officials who sit in high places that have imagined to silence the voice of the Church, for they believe that they are God. They will exert a system of control in an effort to overtake My sanctuary and places of worship. But I will stir up My fury and bring calamities into the earth that shall bankrupt their established system of order. I shall confound them with a season of natural disasters.”

    10 Things Americans Wish They Had Known And 7 Things They Have To Know, Bishop E. Bernard Jordan

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    Wisdom Calls Aloud
    …25 And you neglected all my counsel And did not want my reproof; 26 I will also laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your dread comes,27 When your dread comes like a storm And your calamity comes like a whirlwind, When distress and anguish come upon you.… Proverbs 1:25-27

    Cross References: Psalm 37:13, Psalm 2:4 God has the last laugh! We (The Body of Christ) win in the end!!! Glory to God in the Highest! Repent and turn from your evil and wicked ways at heart!! Join the army of the Lord this day and CHOOSE eternal life!

    Discipline the Children of Men

    “These are the days that you will see the Hand of the Lord stretching forth the land, as I bring forth discipline unto the children of men. For I will silence the mouths of serpents that are spitting their venom into the ears of the country, and you will see forces that have been appointed to dethrone the influence of the Church come to naught this hour, “saith the Lord.

    “You will witness a downpour of laughter coming from the heavens that will disturb the principalities and powers assigned to that land. I will cause many to know Me in ways and dimensions that many have thought impossible. The day of great illumination is coming to the earth. You will see men and women raised up that shall operate by a different order than that which you are familiar, and they shall carry a weighty word of the Lord for this generation.” 10 Things Americans Wish They Had Known And 7 Things They Have To Know, Bishop E. Bernard Jordan

    Biblical References to Divine Prophecy

    Mark 10:27 And Jesus looking on them said, With men it is impossible, but not … Luke 1:37 For with God nothing shall be impossible. Luke 18:27 And he said, The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.

    Psalm 143:12

    New International Version
    In your unfailing love, silence my enemies; destroy all my foes, for I am your servant.

    Psalm 54:5

    New International Version
    Let evil recoil on those who slander me; in your faithfulness destroy them.

    New Living Translation
    May the evil plans of my enemies be turned against them. Do as you promised and put an end to them.

    Hebrews 12
    God Disciplines His Sons
    …5and you have forgotten the exhortation which is addressed to you as sons, “MY SON, DO NOT REGARD LIGHTLY THE DISCIPLINE OF THE LORD, NOR FAINT WHEN YOU ARE REPROVED BY HIM; 6FOR THOSE WHOM THE LORD LOVES HE DISCIPLINES, AND HE SCOURGES EVERY SON WHOM HE RECEIVES.” 7It is for discipline that you endure; God deals with you as with sons; for what son is there whom his father does not discipline?…

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    Mockery and unbelief from unbelievers, Blasphemers, and scorners of God’s Holy Word and Divine prophecy, Repent! Repent in the name of the father, the Son and the Holy Ghost!

    God will always use Prophecy to help instruct, reproof, correct, edify, lead and guide and to confirm His Rhema word. Discern God’s Truth by having an ear to hear what God is declaring personally and to the nations at large. With only referring to the SHEEP (people) of God who knows His Voice and will be attentive and adhere to His Holy instructions, a stranger he will not follow.

    With the absence of faith, there is no spiritual discernment, only humanistic interpretation, logic and mental and emotional judgment etc. which is very limiting to the Power of God. Instead of using your natural born senses and condition mental attitude to be in continued disbelief and doubt of who God is and if He is REAL; try to get in God’s PRESENCE to discern the TRUTH of God’s word and His Holy nature.

    Don’t repeat history and behave as the unbelievers and haters of God’s truth as in Noah days!

    May God have Mercy and Grace upon you, if He so chooses.

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    Warm, truth and sincerity:

    In all that I do, it’s vital to encourage people and Nations to Repent
    as it is recorded in Acts 17:30-31 Realize God of Heaven and Earth is “not
    willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance”
    according to II Peter 3:9-12. Be reminded God Loves you very, very, much and
    that it’s important for you to know that `why’ He sets Judgment is because whom
    He Loves He Chastens unless they are without Chastisement according to John
    3:16 and Hebrews 12:1-8. (Refer: Ezekiel 9:1-11 and Ezekiel 10:1-7).

    Repent now!

    New Living Translation

    Then if my people who are called by my name
    will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked
    ways, I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sins and restore their
    land. 2 Chronicles 7:14

    Everyone has to make a choice whether they will love and serve and worship God with all of their hearts, minds and souls. Choose one and hate the other. No one can serve and love “both” God and Satan/Devil. It is God’s will none shall perish but have eternal life in Heaven with HIM through Jesus Christ our Savior. John 3:16

    It’s easier than one can think talking and praying to God. He is always present, but for your personal experience with the Lord God, you can directly commune and converse with God through His son Jesus Christ who died on the Cross and shed His blood for our humanity’s sins over 2000 years ago. In other words, god is just a prayer away. Let God make Himself known to you in ways you could never imagine. God is real. It’s imperative that you, your siblings that are younger and older and children you may have, should know God. Please join a Bible believing Church, experience godly fellowship and draw closer to HIM in a personal way.

    Please declare this prayer day and night. Jesus Christ taught us how us how we should pray.

    “Our Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, And forgive us our trespasses, As we forgive those who trespass against us.”

    Please declare this prayer day and night as Jesus Christ taught us how we should pray.
    “Our Father, who art in heaven, Hallowed be thy Name. Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done, On earth as it is in heaven. Give us this day our daily bread, And forgive us our trespasses, As we forgive those who trespass against us.”

    This prayer believed in faith, will save your souls.

    The Bible declares once appointed mankind to die. Your souls lives forever, whether in Heaven or Hell.

    I’m a International Evangelist. God loved you all forever. Nothing you do will change His love He has for you all.

    Thank you and enjoy your day bountifully in joy, peace, love, harmony, balance, hope, faith, forgiveness, good health and in God’s Grace and abundance of Wealth!

    Faithfully yours,

    Your friend/sister in Christ