Filipinos Whip Their Backs, Have Themselves Nailed to Crosses in Effort to Atone for Sins

GFSAN PEDRO CUTUD, Philippines — Hundreds in the heavily Roman Catholic country of the Philippines engaged in self-flagellation activities yesterday during the Good Friday holiday in an effort to atone for their sins or obtain miracles from Heaven.

The tradition, while criticized by local Roman Catholic leaders who would prefer to see “good works” from followers rather than punishment, has reportedly been carried out for decades. And although various Filipino cities observe the practice known as “Senakulo,” Barangay San Pedro Cutud is the most known for the ritual.

According to the Associated Press, the whippings and crucifixions are carried out with “the belief that such extreme sacrifices are a way to atone for their sins, attain miracle cures for illnesses or give thanks to God.” Some walk the streets beating their bare backs bloody while others gather to watch the men who volunteer themselves to be nailed to the cross.

“I started doing this when my mother got sick, kidney problem,” Marvin Tao, 25, who has been whipping himself every Good Friday for the past nine years, told reporters. “I vowed and prayed to God so that she could be cured.”

“I feel no pain because I know I am one with my God in suffering,” Arjay Rivera, 30, stated as he proceeded to cut himself with glass and razors.

John Rio, 29, told the Philippine Inquirer that he has been flogging himself for ten years “as a way to cleanse his sins.”

“I have so many wishes to the Lord,” added Ryan Gutierrez, who was whipped with stainless steel. “I think that before He hears one’s prayers, one has to make sacrifices first.”

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Some, instead of whipping themselves, lie on the ground and have others beat them, including children.

Following the flagellation event, participants and spectators walk to a hill to view the Good Friday crucifixions.

Ruben Enaje, 54, has given himself to be nailed to the cross each year for the past 29 years. He was among six men who did so yesterday.

During the event, which was attended by approximately 4,000 spectators on Friday, the crucifixion of Christ is reenacted. Men dress as Roman soldiers and those who volunteer themselves to be crucified have their hands and feet sterilized before being affixed to wooden crosses. Online footage shows the men wrenching with pain as the nails are driven into their extremities.

Four others opted to be tied to the cross rather than nailed, and some of themselves altered their appearance to look like Jesus.

“My faith got me through my illness. I will continue doing this for as long as I live,” Wilfredo Salvador, 50, told reporters. “It was painful up there, but I felt light. I can’t explain it.”

“Some people mock me because of what I do, but we cannot control their minds,” said Hermogenes Calaguas, 45, who has been performing the ritual for 28 years out of his claim that Jesus appeared to him after healing his illness and told him to “devote myself by nailing myself to the cross every Good Friday.” GMA News reports that for Calaguas the act is “a way of doing penance and giving thanks to God.”

“This is my way of salvation because this is what I believe in,” he said. “In fact, I cannot save the whole world. No one does, right? I can only save myself.”

Witnesses took photographs and some vendors sold food and souvenirs for the event and holiday. Some international tourists who had never seen the practice expressed shock.

“This is too much blood,” Waldemar Traczyk, 50, of Poland told the AFP. “But it is interesting to know why a 17th century practice in Europe still persists in the Philippines.”

As previously reported, in January, an estimated half a million Filipinos participated in the annual Feast of the Black Nazarene procession, seeking to touch a wooding carving of Jesus carrying the cross out of their belief that it possesses healing powers. The event takes place every January 9th in Manila.

Those who observe the occasion, which includes men, women and children alike, usually walk the streets barefoot as a gesture of reverence toward the statue. Some carry cloths as they seek to press up against the carving.

The vast majority of Filipinos—approximately 80 percent—are Roman Catholic. An estimated 2.8 percent of the population profess to be evangelical Christians.

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  • robertzaccour

    Blasphemy.

    • softengine

      Yep.

    • Boommach

      Perhaps. It is, at a minimum, abject ignorance. Someone needs to tell them the toll’s been paid.

  • Psygn

    Interesting.

  • Frank

    Many lost, deluded Pillipinos that unless they repent of this and accept Jesus will never get into heaven. Sad.

    • weasel1886

      How do you have the power to know if they are saved or not? A bit arrogant don’t you think?

      • Angel Jabbins

        Jesus said, ‘I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes unto the Father but by Me’. John 14:6

        He suffered and paid the price for sin. He alone was able to be the perfect sacrifice for sin because He is holy and never sinned. Getting yourself nailed to a cross can’t pay for your sins…won’t pay for even one of them. Sad that these folks don’t know the true gospel of Jesus Christ.

        You will know the true Christians by their fruit. Biblical Christians would never participate in such blasphemy. This is demonic.

        • weasel1886

          But Christians did practice slavery, genocide of people and have done some evil things. Aren’t those blasphemy also?

          • Frank

            There were and still are a lot of false Christians. They believe that by calling themselves Christians makes it so. It does not. Never has.

          • weasel1886

            Same with Muslims and all other faiths

          • Angel Jabbins

            Yes, there are certainly false believers in all religions. But there is a huge difference between ‘radical’ Muslims and radical Christians. Those who take the Koran seriously practice exactly what it teaches…to hurt, maim, and kill the ‘Infidels’. Those who take the Bible seriously strive to live like Christ, reaching out to a lost world with same love and forgiveness offered to us in Jesus Christ.

          • weasel1886

            Today that is correct, but historically Christians have been just as bad as today’s Muslims

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

            Thats because these “Christians” were not Christians…they were CATHOLICS claiming the name.

          • weasel1886

            So every person before Mr. Jew hater Martin Luther is now in hell?

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

            No one is in hell. That is the false teachings from the worldly churches that attempt to “scare” you into believing in whatever that they are teaching. Their own bibles witness against them. It is not in the center of the earth as they preach, and Satan is definitely not ruling over it. No one goes to heaven (except for Moses, Enoch, Elijah, and the 24 elders who are already there) or hell until the resurrections.

          • Yah Saves

            You missed the point.
            Regardless of time period, Muslims have scriptural justification-Christians do not.One has to twist the Bible to condone such behavior. That problem doesn’t exist in the Quran. It condones, justifies and even rewards for murder.

          • weasel1886

            I read a lot of cases in the Bible where God condoned killing of one’s enemies

          • Yah Saves

            No ya don’t. God orders the killing once-it is a certain time, a certain place and a certain people. Even if it were an open ended killing order (and it’s not) there are no Canaanites left to kick around. Islam however orders the murder of all non Muslims. Read that again. There’s a little difference, simpleton, between God’s 3000 year old order and Islam’s “kill every Jew” and “wipe the Christians out til the last”. BTW, If the text isn’t enough…..they’re doing it. So the evidence is either by word or deed and yet we still have to read the words of idiots like you. Gee, I wonder why we are in the pickle we find ourselves.

          • Angel Jabbins

            Christian never practiced those evil things. The people who did were ‘nominal’ Christians… people who calling themselves Christians yet not following the teachings of Christ and the Bible. True Christians are known by their by their fruit, exhibiting the same love, forgiveness, and care for people as the Savior demonstrated. Those who claim to be Christians, while at the same time ‘doing evil things’, are evil people who have never known the Jesus of the Bible.

            But even in our present day, when so many people claim to be Christians who truly are not, we don’t see these nominal believers causing people to suffer through slavery (which true Christian people fought to have banded). There is still plenty of slavery in the world though, most all of it caused by Islam. And the only genocide taking place in the world today is the genocide of Christians by Islam. We are seeing the true face of evil in Islam, not Christianity

          • weasel1886

            The problem who decides who is a good Christian? Killing people by burning them alive in Vietnam was considered OK by many Christians as it was used to stop Godless communism

          • Angel Jabbins

            I just don’t know how to get through to you. How do you decide who is a good Christian? The bible says you will know them by their fruit….good fruit = loving, forgiving, helping, sacrificing for others….it is a Christian!!! Bad fruit = killing, hating, maiming others in the name of God….bad fruit…fake Christian!! You just don’t want to get it due to your own bias and keep saying the same thing over and over no matter how I try to explain it to you. Closed biased mind. There is nothing further I can say.

          • weasel1886

            Using your definition there are very few Christians in the USA and almost none on this page. “loving, forgiving, helping, sacrificing for others….it is a Christian!!!” These certainly are not conservative traits

  • Weary Warrior

    This couldn’t be more UN-Christian. Jesus said, “It is finished” before he bowed His head and released His spirit to the Father. To imagine that we can do ANYTHING to atone for our own sins is blasphemy,

  • thoughtsfromflorida

    Well hat should make God happy.

    • Richard

      Not really. God is happy when we accept Christ and his finished work.

      • thoughtsfromflorida

        They obviously feel differently. But, let me guess, your interpretation is correct and theirs is wrong.

        • Richard

          God’s word is clear. No interpretation required – it is finished and Ephesians 2:8-9.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            Yes, as each sect of Christianity claims.

          • Richard

            Your comment is an example of how far sceptics have to reach to try and disprove God. But denying the truth doesn’t negate it. It just means you are ignorant of the facts and understanding.

          • thoughtsfromflorida

            I’m not trying to disprove God. I have a strong belief in God.

            Do you disagree that each sect of Christianity claims to have the one, true, understanding of the Bible?

          • Richard

            Sorry for my misassumption.

            The entire Biblical text makes it plain that Christ was the ultimate and final sacrifice for sin. As I mentioned, Ephesians 2:8-9 makes that also clear.

            But people will be people. They will choose to believe what they want. That is true for every belief and aspect of life. That’s not a fault of Christianity or God, but a fault of man.

  • Magister_militum_praesentalis

    Not any more “unchristian” or “unbiblical” than consulting astrology and numerology in blood moons, denigrating Easter and Christmas as “pagan,” taking sides with the enemy in the Middle East because the Christians there are too “Catholic” and “worship idols.”

    • Yah Saves

      “denigrating Easter and Christmas as “pagan,”

      LOL There is no question whatsoever to anyone with an IQ above room temperature that Satanic rites such as Easter have NOTHING to do with the God of Abraham. They are not in Scripture. It’s an abomination to attribute them to him and He said leave His words alone! Stop claiming to love Him as He CLEARLY says that those that love Him guard His words….not change, alter, edit and replace them. The Church is DISGUSTING. It’s why He calls it “dead”, “married to Ba’al”, “the seat of Satan’s influence”, and”vomit”.

      • Magister_militum_praesentalis

        *yawn*

        • Yah Saves

          God calls what you are defending “vomit” and you “yawn”. Not much else needs to be said.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            While your rhetoric may be boring to me, I would suggest that you lay off the HRM vomit porno. You are getting way too excited and worked up over it.

          • Frank Cartwright

            why is it rhetoric? because you, the worlds most intelligent man says so?

        • Frank Cartwright

          what the matter? opposing intelligent truthful views render you unconscious? such is the robotic religious mind set.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Why are you trying to make me be your personal shrink again? Go find another digital therapist’s couch from which to unload your frustrations.

          • Frank Cartwright

            is there any real point to be made about the issue? or just more childish name calling?

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            It isn’t name-calling. This is all you do: troll around for Christians who might submit themselves to your pent-up frustrations and become a target. You seem to justify it in your mind by wondering aloud that you are educating the ignorant and intolerant.

          • Frank Cartwright

            no? okay then,it is casting aspersions,better? nice deflection! any valid, independent, honest reply yet? what an ego! when you post,it is all right and not disputable,when i counter(with historically accurate, impartial truth,i am “wondering aloud”! must be great to be perfect and comfortable playing god by judging huh?

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            It isn’t casting aspersions or name-calling. It is empirical observation of how you operate.

          • Frank Cartwright

            casting aspersions by any other name,just as sweet.

      • Bingo

        While there are many people who are easily led astray, the Church is NOT disgusting, for the true Church is the spotless Bride. Only Satan and his followers consider the Church disgusting.

        • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

          The true church definitely isn’t the secret rapture, seven year trib, Sunday worshiping, eternal life in hellfire believing, immediate life after death preaching, bride of Christ. And all of these teachings were invented by Roman Jesuits, adopted by Scoffield, brought to Dallas Theological Seminary, and passed on to self deceived Christians…

          • Bingo

            The true Church is the Body of Christ worldwide, consisting of all born again believers in Jesus Christ. This is what the word of God teaches.

          • Yah Saves

            No it does’t. In fact, His name is not, was not and NEVER will be Jesus…..and Christ isn’t His name either.A Christian wouldn’t know the “word of God” if it bit them. And AGAIN, the word “Church” does not fall from the lips of God. Whgy? Because it is the name of a pagan sungoddess. She is the daughter of Helio’s. Christianity is DRENCHED in idolatry and pagan sun god worship. From the cross, “church, and SUNday, to the sun rays in all the art work. Drenched.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            LOL.

          • Yah Saves

            When you lay your head down at night, it must be an empty feeling knowing that all you can do is “LOL’ as your entire religion is torn asunder. At what point does a person say “I might be following a lie”? How many lies does it take to expose the lunacy? Don’t you even recognize the position that your religion has put you? Let me explain the difference to you: When I speak about my Father to others, there is NO CHANCE that they would embarrass me like I have done with you. When you are following the truth, it is powerful.I will talk as long as they wish. I stand in the light. I will confront ANY religion on the streets- guess who can’t wait to run under a desk? In other words, you do not have to experience that feeling ever again-shed the lunacy of religion and engage in a familiar relationship with Yah,.Never again will you be defeated by truth.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            LOL

          • Bingo

            Sorry, but I think you’ve been influenced by some Satanic types. What you believe is not of God in any way.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

            You can’t be “born again” if you are in open disobedience to the LAW that Jesus promised to write on the hearts and minds of those who love Him. Anyone can claim the Name, as many plastic Christians do today, but their fruits witness against them. Unbridled tongues, false gifts, belief in Jewish fables…its really that easy to discern. Simple match up what they are saying is true and open a Bible. Unfortunately, todays churches proclaim that you are “born again” based on “feelings and emotions” versus obedience to every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.

          • Bingo

            What are you on about? I merely said the truth—that the Church of Jesus Christ consists of born again believers in Jesus Christ. do you argue the truth of that statement?

            There are many excellent local churches out there who do not adulterate the truth of the scriptures. Find one.

        • Yah Saves

          Spotless, huh? Sorry but I don’t drop my brain at the door. I know God said those who love Him will guard His commands and words-not edit, and replace them. The name “Church” is pagan and doesn’t fall from God’s lips-but religious men put it there in your bible, didn’t they? Just like the Church ADMITS to changing the Sabbath. Is God OK with that? Do they have the authority? I could do this all day long. We should start with His name-as it is the most important of the disgusting things the Church has done. It’s why God HATES religions-all of them, and He calls your “spotless” bride….”dead”, “married to Ba’al”, “the seat of Satan’s influence”, and “VOMIT”. Satan, being the founder of the Church, LOVES it. So like most Christians, you have it completely backwards.

          • Bingo

            You have lost the plot, friend. The Church of Jesus Christ is His, alone. The gates of hell will not prevail against it.

            Sounds to me as if you hate everyone, so why not God also? Have fun with that. You have it all backwards.

          • Yah Saves

            All Christians can do is whine and attack the messenger. That is all that satanic garbage has left you. Notice this Bingo: You will not address a single word of what was said because you can’t. Truth is powerful.There was never a “Jesus Christ”, “Church” is Satanic and not in God’s vocabulary, same with the “cross, and the Church admits to changing God’s Sabbath. Start there, bingo and get back with me. All you can do is attack the messenger. You can say I hate, or I’m in a cult or whatever idiotic Christians want to say, but what you will NEVER do is show a single word of mine as errant.

          • Bingo

            All you can do is whine and rail against the truth. You don’t have the truth, by the way you speak. You have a mindset that opposes Christ—an antichrist spirit. What you opine is of Satan himself.

            Yeah, you must be in a cult of some kind, because everything you say is antichrist and all is errant.

          • Yah Saves

            I’ll give you my house if you can show a single thing as errant. Pick a single item and try to bring evidence against it-I beg you!!!!! I dare you!!!!! That is what someone says when they have the truth. People who are behind liars make excuses (you’re in a cult) and will not, address a SINGLE issue. They lie, obfuscate and attack the messenger. hat is the entirety of their arsenal. Fire away predictable one.

          • Yah Saves

            “everything you say is antichrist and all is errant.”

            Forgetting the Fourth Commandment and it’s spiritual, historic, and prophetic
            significance, Constantine, the founder of Catholicism, condemned the Sabbath, making worship on that day a capital offense. He wanted his idol, Mithras, the sun god, worshiped on Sun-days. While many have filled entire books with Constantine’s satanically inspired perversions of
            Yah’s teachings, I simply want to provide a sampling to show Bingo how to present evidence.

            Here is an interesting one: Constantine’s historian, Eusebius, recorded the
            following imperial edict in 321 CE,

            “All things whatsoever that it was the duty to
            do on the Sabbath, these we have transferred to the Lord’s Day.”

            Ba’al must have
            been pleased. Then he called Sunday “Sol Invictus Mithras”—“the day of the Unconquerable Sun, Mithras.” Under penalty of death he decreed that all within
            his empire must cease work on Sun-Day to honor the sun god. America’s Blue Laws are an abominable legacy.

            Forgetting that Rome murdered the Messiah, and forgetting that Yahowsha(Jesus)
            was a Yahuwdy(Jew), Constantine at Satan’s urging went on to say of the chosen
            people: “We will have nothing to do with the cursed wretches who killed our Lord—nothing in common with the hostile rabble of the Yahudim.”

            And with that blow the Torah was replaced by the edicts of man.

            To have “nothing in common with the
            Yahudim” is to exclude salvation as it comes through the generosity of Yahowsha,
            a Yahuwdy.

          • Bingo

            I don’t give a fig about Constantine, or what he said or wrote. He means nothing to what true Christian believers believe and stand for.

          • Yah Saves

            “I don’t give a fig about Constantine,”

            LOL Yes you do., God said His Sabbath is on Saturday. You and all other Christians ignore what God said and go to church on SUNday…..because of Constantine. I just showed you the internal Church documents, you fool. You also couldn’t care less about what God says regarding doing what the Pagans do, such as Christmas and Easter. He says don’t do it, and Christians still observe the Satanic rites of Christmas and Easter. But when it comes to His days…….you ignore them and ignorantly ascribe them as “jewish” holidays. So yes, whether you know it or not, whether you admit it or not, simply doesn’t matter-the FACT is you indeed observe the instructions of men over the commands of God.

          • Bingo

            Our Sabbath now is Jesus. Constantine has nothing to do with true faith in the Saviour of the world—Jesus.

            We meet on Sunday, the first day of the week because the first Christians did so. We are to worship God every day. It has NOTHING to do with the Sabbath, anyway.

            Acts 20:7
            Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.

            You fool—what you think are “Church documents” are meaningless.

            As for what people do concerning Christmas and Easter, that is personal choice. God hasn’t said diddly about setting a day aside to celebrate the resurrection of the Messiah, nor celebrating His birth.

            You talk about Christians as if they are ALL doomed to hell, but you aren’t. Funny, that.

            I only do what God tells me I am free to do in Christ.

          • Yah Saves

            God said the Sabbath is His, it is forever, and it is the only command in His top ten list that He says to “remember”…..yet the Church seems to think they have the authority to change it. “Our Sabbath now is Jesus” Forgetting the absolute idiocy of thinking His name is “Jesus”, please show us where this is said in Scripture. You know that our Sabbath is now Jesus…..whatever the hell that means. Oh ya can’t? Don’t worry-I’m sure God was only kidding.

            “We meet on Sunday, the first day of the week because the first Christians did so.”

            Oh I see, not because it’s Scriptuural, but because somemen didso. OK. So tell me-who where these “first Christians”?

          • Yah Saves

            ” God hasn’t said diddly about setting a day aside to celebrate the resurrection of the Messiah, ”

            If the Church didn’t replace God’s days with Satanic rituals like Christmas and Easter, you would know better than to say something so stupid. God has 7 annual feast days. They are rehearsals and are prophetic.Four have been fulfilled and three await. The first three(which have been fulfilled) are THREE DAYS IN A ROW. There’s a reason for it. Hmmmm? It’s pathetic that the Church ignores this, and you have never heard that before today. He rose on the Miqra of Bikuwrym – it means “FirstFruits.”. So if you wanted to observe that event, God has indeed put aside a day just for that……Christians ignore it so they can lie to their children about egg laying bunnies. Sounds Godly doesn’t it?

          • Bingo

            The true Church of Jesus Christ has replaced nothing. You are of the idea that somehow the RCC is the Church. Well, it is NOT the Church!

            You obviously belong to some weird cult.

          • Yah Saves

            A cult? Yeah that must be it. This cult member just educated you on God’s feast days. Try to pay attention. The RCC…. the Church …what’s the difference? You both edit God’s name out. You both ignore His 4th commandment and have changed His Sabbath. You both observe the Satanic rituals of Christmas and Easter. You both revere Paul more than Scripture. Etc. Etc. Etc.

            The “true church” LOL. That is so asinine.
            Show me where “Church” is in Scripture.

          • Bingo

            Yep, a cult, indeed. You cannot educate me on anything, as I am not in need of it.

            You are on a wild goose chase and getting nowhere. The church of Jesus Christ has done nothing that youa re claiming. It’s all in your imagination, and it has been placed there by the devil in order to obfuscate the truth and to stupefy you. You’ve been had.

            You need to experience salvation in Christ first, before anything else.

          • Yah Saves

            Show me where “Church” is in Scripture.

            There is no “cross” in Scripture either. …because it has ALWAYS been a Satyanic symbol. Hmmmm, Steeples and obelisks? Sun inspired art work? Satanic rites and rituals like Christmas and Easter? THAT is a cult simpleton.

          • Bingo

            Church is in countless places in scripture—even referring to God’s people under Moses as “the church in the wilderness”.

            Acts 7:37-38
            37 This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.

            38 This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

            The cross is also taught in scripture.

            You must be reading the Satanic bible.

          • Yah Saves

            Hey liar, let’s present some facts, shall we?The word is ekklessia. If it is a NAME it should be trannsliterated “ekklessia”, and as a word, it has a meaning!!! It means out calling, or called out. Therefore, simpleton, Church is neither a translation or a transliteration of the greek term ekklessia. The word “Church” is not in the word of God-men put it there. They are liars and you are following them.
            Church is the name of Helio’s daughter. Paan sungod worship is everywhere in the “church”.

          • Bingo

            I never lie, nor do I teach lies.

            “Ekklesia”, “called out ones”, and “Church” are all the same people…the people of God.

          • Yah Saves

            Steve isn’t Fred. Mary isn’t Sally. And Ekklessia doesn’t mean Church. It’s not a translation of the word and it’s not a transliteration of the word. That’s called a lie and it makes you a liar. This is juvenile stuff-please try to keep up.

          • Bingo

            Jesus said “I will build my church (ekklesia)”, and you are the one playing childish games and trying to undermine the Lord Jesus Christ, His word and the Body of Christ.

            You are on the outside looking in.

          • Yah Saves

            “Jesus said “I will build my church”

            His name is not “Jesus” regardless of how bad you wish it were true, and the name “Church” never left His lips. Saying anything other than that makes you a liar.

            Not many see it like I do(admittingly)
            Multitudes see it the way you do. (I agree)

            Hmmm, there’s something scriptural there LOL

            BTW, God never referred to Himself as “Lord”. The Church erased God’s name 7000 times and put “Lord” in it’s rightful place. Hmmm, what was God’s parting slavo again? That’s right-LEAVE MY WORDS ALONE…. or something like that. You either have a problem with that or you do not. I suspect you do not. Sure, “Loord” is the very definitionof “BBa’al” but you will do mental gymnastics to make excuses for the Church for doing this. And because they did this, God penned that one of the first things He does when He returns is to make sure He is never called Lord again. Ouch.

          • Bingo

            Your denials are as that of a simpleton. Jesus didn’t speak English. That doesn’t make the translations of scripture invalid.

            It’s true not many see things the way you do, because you strain against the simple truth, and place huge barriers before anyone who would know it. What is scriptural is that you are a false teacher and fit every description of one.

            You have an independent spirit, which refuses to enter in to what God has for him, and did you know that such a spirit is a demonic force?

            You are a liar who works for the father of lies. Your heresy and blasphemy is very easy to see for even the weakest believer among us, thank God.

          • Yah Saves

            “What is scriptural is that you are a false teacher and fit every description of one.”

            Than show us. Illustrate your asinine claim. I doubt you even know where Scripture tells you how to do this. I’m waiting…….

          • Bingo

            No, I am a teacher of the word of God. You are an opposer to truth, and an antichrist.

          • Yah Saves

            “Anyone who says that Jesus is not the Christ.”

            And you actually think the 2000 year old scroll reads “Jesus”? or “Christ”?….when a child knows that is absolutely and utterly IMPOSSIBLE? You may as well translate God’s name as “Steve”, in the verse, and bingo, there ya have it, anyone who denies “Steve” is an anti christ. That’s brilliant, professor.

          • Bingo

            The word of God is clear. That you cannot comprehend the nuances of accurate translation, makes you….dumb.

            You don’t need such an elaborate ruse to reject salvation.

          • Yah Saves

            “The word of God is clear. ”

            It sure is, and “Jesus” was NEVER WRITTEN, you moron. If you’d like to see the oldest Greek manuscripts on planet Earth for that verse, let me know-I own it.

          • Bingo

            Yep, Jesus is laced throughout the entire Old Testament—every page—and revealed openly by name in the new Testament.

          • Yah Saves

            “Yep, Jesus is laced throughout the entire Old Testament”

            Even though it was almost 18 centuries before the letter “J” was invented LOL. Even though the “Old Testament” was written in Hebrew which does not have a letter “J”. That’s brilliant, Bingo. See, how smart religion makes you. It’s very appealing, isn’t it? Your words read like a mental patient. But feel free to continue to show us what religion does to a mind.

          • Bingo

            Oh, for cryng out loud—you are arguing semantics! Stop that and know the MAN! If you keep up this as a stumbling block to people as well as yourself, you will pay for it for all eternity.

            You are the dumb one, allowing yourself to get hung up on non-essentials and ignoring the Way, the Truth and the Life! How dare you belittle people of faith for the sake of your puny understanding.

          • Yah Saves

            “Oh, for cryng out loud—you are arguing semantics! ”

            You’re almost there. Just say it:… God doesn’t care about His name. He doesn’t care that we erased it and replaced it.

            You’ve already said He doesn’t care about His Torah, so, what’s the difference?

            And you clowns have the nerve to say I hate God? I love Him. I serve Him. He told us how we know who loves Him. Those who love, and guard His Torah,. His Word. Guess which one of us fits the description?

          • Bingo

            No, I am not almost there—I am right there on top of you. God knows who he is and His people know who He is. You are standing there trying to tel people who He is and isn’t, but you have yet to know Him—just like a modern day Pharisee.

            If you loved and served God, His Spirit would be speaking through you, but I only detect a n obstinate, judgmental and lying demon that is seeking righteousness in some sort of Judaism. Righteous comes through faith in the Messiah, Jesus Christ.

          • Yah Saves

            Done with you.. You have been shown to be a liar. Good day.

          • Bingo

            That’s what the people called Jesus, who is our only Saviour and Lord. Your lies flash like neon signs about your antichrist beliefs.

            If you continue to flip the bird at God, He will be done with you.

            Good day.

          • Bingo

            As a Gentile of the New Covenant, I am not beholden to any Sabbath. Jesus is our Sabbath. The Church is not under an obligation to the Sabbath.

            It doesn’t matter which day we meet to celebrate Jesus Christ. Every day belongs to Him. You are just bleeding religiosity.

            Read the word. Discover for yourself who the first Christians were and what they did.

          • Yah Saves

            Do the 10 Commandments matter? We can pick and choose which ones we like? We are not “beholden” to any Sabbath? Says who????????????????????????????????

          • Bingo

            The commandments of God are now written on men’s hearts. Read the word. Believe the word.

          • Yah Saves

            ” written on men’s hearts. ”

            First of all there is no New Covenant because the old endures. Next, when it happens, and it hasn’t yet, it is crystal clear that it is for Israel and Judah-not Gentiles. And third, how dare you say that the commands of God are now written on men’s hearts. I am living in the most disgusting time period in history-who pray tell will you list as someone who has God’s words written within them? Who? The lying church leaders? The dolts in the pews? Who?

          • Bingo

            The Old Covenant is now obsolete.

            Study the scriptures. Then talk.

            Hebrews 8:13

            13 When God speaks of a “new” covenant, it means he has made the first one obsolete. It is now out of date and will soon disappear.

            Romans 2:14-15
            Even Gentiles, who do not have God’s written law, show that they know his law when they instinctively obey it, even without having heard it. 15 They demonstrate that God’s law is written in their hearts, for their own conscience and thoughts either accuse them or tell them they are doing right.

            You show a deplorable lack of discernment concerning scripture. You need a teacher.

          • Yah Saves

            “The Old Covenant is now obsolete.”

            That’s all I needed to see. You are so clueless. You are so lost. Hey Bingo, when you instruct someone to “read Scriptures”,don’t point them to letters from Paul-they aren’t “Scripture”-regardless of what your lying preacher tells you. BTW, without the OC, you know, the thing God said is forever, perfect, and restores the soul, (sigh)there is no Messiah. TThanks for exposing what religion does to a mind.

          • Bingo

            Actually, you are clueless, sitting there pounding out crap on your keyboard but don’t have clue one about God’s word.

            You have no idea about God or His precious word. Paul spoke for Jesus Christ. You will reap what you sow here, speaking evil of God’s plan for salvation. You do the work of the enmy of God, Satan, who is using you and will toss you aside like so much garbage.

            I will pray for you that God will take hold of you and shake you up, and bring you to your knees, so that you will know He is God and not who you’ve been listening to.

          • Yah Saves

            Maybe you should pray that he shakes you to your knees and provide you with some evidence to counter what I have said. Maybe you can pray for a shred of evidence to show my words to be errant.

          • Bingo

            I’ve been on my knees before God over half a century ago, and He has given me His salvation.

            You believe only lies, and are rejecting the New Testament, including our salvation, Yeshua the Messiah.

          • Yah Saves

            You keep saying I believe in lies but you can’t show a SINGLE WORD OF MINE TO BE ERRANT. I on the other hand have presently Scriptural evidence to back everything I have said. Truth stands in the light-deception obfuscates.

          • Bingo

            You have said NOTHING that is congruent with God’s word. You have NOTHING to support yourself.

          • Yah Saves

            “The Old Covenant is now obsolete.”

            Pro 28:9 He who turns away his ear from hearing the Torah, Even his prayer is an abomination.

            Way to go, professor.

          • Bingo

            Christians are not beholden to it. The New Covenant is what we all are under today.

            God Himself has said the Old Covenant is obsolete.

          • Yah Saves

            “God Himself has said the Old Covenant is obsolete. ”

            Sure He does:
            Pro 28:9 He who turns away his ear from hearing the Torah, Even his prayer is an abomination.

          • Yah Saves

            So to conclude: You insisted that we are enjoying a New Covenant even though Scripture plainly states it will be with Yisrael and Judah-not Gentiles. Then you go on to say the Torah is obsolete(good grief).Make sure to tell your lying preacher that Yah says

            ” I shall put My Torah in their inward parts”

            when He renews His covenant. Kinda the opposite of “obsolete”. Oopsy

          • Yah Saves

            Since the Towrah has not yet been placed inside anyone, since religious and political affiliations are preferred by most Yahuwdym living in Yisra’el to a familial relationship with Yahowah, and since errant teaching and thoughts still prevail, we can say with absolute certainty that the Covenant has not yet been renewed. As a result, the notion of a “New Testament,” and its derivative, Christianity, remain wholly incompatible with Yahowah’s prophetic testimony.

            This conclusion becomes inescapable because according to God, when He renews His Covenant we will witness the absolute affirmation and total integration of the Towrah—concepts which completely undermine the viability of the Christian religion. The crux of Paul’s letters, and thus the cornerstone of the Christian “New Testament,” is the repudiation of the very Towrah Yahowah will once again affirm.

          • Bingo

            You can’t play games with scripture. I ahve already posted the proof of the statement made that the Old Covenant is obsolete and is passing away. It is undeniable.

          • Yah Saves

            Hey Moron, I don’t play games with Scripture-you do. If I make a claim I back it up. If asked to present evidence to said claim, I will supply it. But here you are doing EXACTLY what you claim I am doing-playing games. Rather than simply present the verse, which is a cut and paste, you take the time to write how you already posted proof that “God Himself” claimed the OC was obsolete. That is a LIE!!!! You did no such thing. SCRIPTURE is the word of God so if you say “God said” than you better follow that with “SCRIPTURE”:.
            And let me remind you that “SCRIPTURE” is defined as the Torah, Prophets and Psalms. Now if it isn’t too much trouble and all, kindly present the “SCRIPTURE” of your ignorant claim that God Himself said the Torah was obsolete. What a buffoon.

          • Bingo

            Nope. You are playing imbecilic games with God’s holy word and prove yourself to be not among the Body of Christ. It’s easy to see.

            I have presented scripture and you ignore it. you have nothing of value to say. Why are you even here at Christian News Network except to bring strife?

            You aren’t a Christian. You are a Messiah denying Jew…and a buffoon, to boot.

          • Yah Saves

            Present the evidence liar !!!!!

            Present the evidence for your asinine claim that Scripture says the Torah is obsolete. Where is it, liar?????? You can’t do it without showing God to be in conflict with His own words….and that would disqualify Him for the position of God. So if you could show it, I would no longer believe in God. That is how utterly stupid your claim is, and that is why you WILL NEVER present the evidence to your foolish, and Satanic claim. All you will do is whine, try to obfuscate, and try to make this about me. You are a sad little lying vermin.

          • Bingo

            I have already provided scripture that says that very thing. you so obviously lack the revelation concerning the Covenants.

            Your views are antichrist.

          • Yah Saves

            “I have already provided scripture that says that very thing”

            Idiotic liars are so predictable:
            “and that is why you WILL NEVER present the evidence to your foolish, and Satanic claim.”

            Gee, how did I know? LOL Well, because you are a LIAR- that’s how!!!! Liars, lie. That’s what liars do. God Never said such an asinine statement. Shame on you fool. And look at you right now. You are so filled with arrogance and pride, you STILL can not admit to it. All you have to do is cut and past ONE verse from SCRIPTURE and you could embarrass me….but you won’t because you can’t. Who do you think you are foolin’? You are a LIAR. Confirmed and exposed. Nice religion. Look what it makes you do. Sooooo Godly.

          • Bingo

            You are nothing but an unbeliever masquerading as something akin to a believer, but it’s impossible for you to blend in. The lying spirit in you just can’t be quiet and reveals himself in your words every time you post. Demons can only lie and that is who is speaking through you.

          • Yah Saves

            That must be it, you mental midget. Either that, or you must continue to attack the messenger because you can not touch the message-it sad, really.

          • Bingo

            Funny. it is people with little mental acuity who resort to name-calling. Midget, indeed.

            You have no message, except one of hatred and bigotry against God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit, His people and His word.

          • Yah Saves

            ” hatred and bigotry against God the Father, God the Son,”

            But changing His name is fine huh? Changing God’s Sabbath is okey dokey with Christians. Affiliating Satanic rites to Him is just peachy keen with you dolts, isn’t it? But anyone who exposes you little workers of Satan, and bingo, they are hateful against ……God??? LOL Stupid on steroids.

          • Yah Saves

            I am still waiting:

            Present the evidence liar !!!!!

            Present the evidence for your asinine claim that Scripture says the Torah is obsolete.

          • Bingo

            No one has changed the names of God, or His Son. No one has changed the Sabbath. You have only revealed yourself as extremely weird and holding to some very antagonistic and cultish beliefs, none of which glorify God in any way. You separate yourself from the brethren. Are you a Jew?

          • Yah Saves

            “No one has changed the names of God, or His Son. No one has changed the Sabbath. ”

            LOL Oh there’s a new angle. Just pretend that the sky is not blue. Sure we can view the internal Church documents. Sure we can look in the parking lots across America on SUNday. Sure we can view God’s actual name in His 3200 year old message to mankind before it was corrupted…..but if Bingo says it is all in our imagination, than oh well……it must be so.

            Is it time for the meds, Bingo?

          • Bingo

            What “internal Church documents”? The Church of Jesus Christ’s documents are ONLY the bible.

            Nothing has been corrupted. You are a clanging cymbal.

          • Yah Saves

            And Religion, through you, has been sufficiently exposed. All who read this in the future will read how one must be a complete brainless fool to be “Christian”. Five minute cursory study is all it takes.Good bye Bingo. It was fun.

          • Bingo

            The true comes out. You are an unbeliever, and people who desire the truth will see that and ignore you.

            You are antichrist in everything you’ve ever said here. God will have nothing to do with you in the end if you continue to reject His plan for your salvation.

          • Yah Saves

            BTW, the “New Covenant” hasn’t happened yet and it is for Jews-not Gentiles….oops.”Read the word”

          • Bingo

            BTW—you are completely wrong and trying to one-up a person who knows the truth. Stop trying to spread your obnoxious demonic lies here.

          • Yah Saves

            “BTW—you are completely wrong ”

            I won’t present a shred of evidence but….you are wrong. LOL Pathetic.

          • Bingo

            With the ugly attitude you parade around here, you are lucky I am even answering you. You’ve been hoodwinked by Satan. You need spiritual deliverance big time.

          • Yah Saves

            and I feel lucky……idiot. If I need “deliverance big time” why can’t I get a single Christian to point to a SINGLE ERROR?
            All they can do is whine, cry foul and claim I am in a cult. How about you address the message rather than the messenger? There’s a novel idea. But you won’t….because you can’t . Why? Because Truth is powerful-behold it.

          • Bingo

            Your hatred oozes out all over every word you speak. You have come to christian News network to spew Satanic ideas.

            You’ve been shown your error many times, I am sure, as I believe you make these kinds of forums your life’s work. You do not represent the truth, but the synagogue of Satan itself.

            You have yet to accept the truth.

          • Yah Saves

            “You’ve been shown your error many times, I am sure”

            LOL well you would be wrong yet again. Feel free to show me ONE SINGLE ERROR PLEASE. I beg you and anyone reading this. Ya won’t because ya can’t. Sorry if you see truth as “hateful” but God disagrees.

          • Bingo

            Everything you say—and how you say it—is in direct opposition to the truth of the word of God. You have allowed yourself to be taught error and it shows in everything you discuss.

            You oppose God.

          • Yah Saves

            Says the guy who admitted that God’s Torah is obsolete.

            Says the guy who admittingly ignores God’s Sabbath.

            Says the guy who lies about a fat man in a red suit and claims it’s godly.

            Says the guy who lies about egg laying bunnies and claims to be godly.

            Says the guy who could not show a single word of mine as errant if his life depended on it.

          • Bingo

            You speak only lies.

          • Yah Saves

            “You speak only lies.”

            Says the liar getting exposed.

          • Bingo

            I only bring the truth of God’s word. You expose yourself with imbecilic ideas.

          • Yah Saves

            “I only bring the truth of God’s word. You expose yourself with imbecilic ideas.”

            Then let’s see.

            Pro 30:4 Who has gone up to the heavens and come down? Who has gathered the wind in His fists? Who has bound the waters in a garment? Who established all the ends of the earth? What is His Name, And what is His Son’s Name, If you know it?

          • Bingo

            Can you answer that one? Certainly not, according to the nonsense you’ve been spewing here.

          • Yah Saves

            Well, I’ll even give you a hint: It’s not “Lord” and “Jesus”.. You are a sad little creature.

          • Bingo

            Yes It is the Lord Jesus Christ. That you make such a fuss over it shows me you don’t know Him at all.

          • Yah Saves

            He gave us His name 7000 time, simpleton. It is either important or He is verbose. Would you like to go through the hundreds of verses in scripture that tell you to know His name, honor His name, exult His name, tell others of His name, pray to His name so as to be saved by His name? Hmmmm?Just let me know.

          • Bingo

            Actually you appear to have a religious affectation—retardation. You have no clue about God and His many names.

          • Yah Saves

            “His many names.”

            And you have the nerve to say “You have no clue about God”? God has ONE name and one name only. Yahowah. It means I was, I am and I will be. In other words- I exist.It answers mankind’s most fundamental question-is there a God. And here you are treating His name exactly the way He said men would treat it. I am a Father, a Coach, a Husband, and a Father, but I only have ONE NAME. The others are called titles. I sure hope you know the difference. Now tell me the “many names” for God, you simpleton?

          • Bingo

            God has MANY names. I AM is His prime name. All others refer to His character, and He accepts them all.

          • Yah Saves

            First name “I”, last name “am”. LOL
            Good luck to you Bingo. I am done with you. Ya can’t fix stupid.
            In closing,…….. read the very next verse.

          • Bingo

            Try reading the entire bible—all 66 books—and find the truth about God there, rather than fixating on non-issues.

          • Yah Saves

            Every human with an IQ above room temperature knows it is stupid on steroids to think a John and James walked with a Jesus in Jerusalem…..but here you are still insisting unicorns are real. Aren’t you cute?

          • Bingo

            Well honey-pie, you are the stupid one. James is Jesus’ brother, and John walked with Jesus as the disciple much loved by Jesus.

            Go get yourself a proper bible and read it. Then believe in Jesus Christ the Messiah for salvation.

          • Yah Saves

            Sorry Honey pie, to think someone drove a corvette before the car was invented requires an ignorance only found in the religious-like you. No letter “J” means no James and John walking with Jesus.

            And speaking of “James”, you know, the brrother of the Messiah? Well his name was Ya’aqob. This is easily verified if you actually cared about truth. This name is fairly popular, and is littered throughout the Torah. It is always translated “Jacob”. Well, all of a sudden this exact same name becomes”James” in the NT. Hmmmm. You have much to learn Bingo. Drop your pride.

          • Bingo

            Whatever you in your false religious zeal want to call them, it doesn’t make a hill of beans difference.

            Your pride is getting in the way of your salvation, and serves as a stumbling block to yourself and to others.

          • Bingo

            I have my own house, thanks. Jesus the Christ exists and is alive today. As for the Church, He is building it as we speak. The Church is the body of Christ in the world.

            Matthew 16:18b
            …upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell will not conquer it.

            Ephesians 4:12-15
            Their responsibility is to equip God’s people to do his work and build up the church, the body of Christ. 13 This will continue until we all come to such unity in our faith and knowledge of God’s Son that we will be mature in the Lord, measuring up
            to the full and complete standard of Christ.

            14 Then we will no longer be immature like children. We won’t be tossed and blown about by every wind of new teaching. We will not be influenced when people try to trick us with lies so clever they sound like the truth. 15 Instead, we will speak the truth in love, growing in every way more and more like Christ, who is the head of his body, the church.

            The only attacking going on here is from you. you have nothing to say that is based in truth.

    • Coretta Shelton

      constantine incorprated pagen holidays in an effort to get all people in church and this ester is from a pagan holiday ,and christmas is also a pagen holiday christ was born in the fall as the cattle were in the fields still and taxes were the reason they went to bethleham to pay taxes and jesus was born there, we dont celibrate his birth but but we celibrate his death as friday being the begining of the sabith and they broke all legs of the crucified that were not dead when they came to Jesus he was already dead and the soilder stuck a spear in his side and water flowed from a broken heart. I did something so simple I googled the easter holiday & christmasit will help you or the webster dictionary also that was written by arelative of mine.

      http://www.lasttrumpetministries.org/tracts/tract1.html http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/edn-t020.html

      realtruth.org/articles/169-ttooc.html
      http://www.hope-of-israel.org/cmas1.htm

      • Magister_militum_praesentalis

        Hogwash.

        • Frank Cartwright

          ignorance is bliss! talk about classic christian ego and non acceptance of the real history of their (borrowed from many belief systems) faith.

        • Yah Saves

          LOL Hogwash??? The evidence is ubiquitous. Hilarious….in a sad pathetic way.
          Thanks for exposing what religion does to a mind.

      • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

        Yep…they are all Pagan holidays that were “Christianized”

    • Frank Cartwright

      Easter and Christmas derive from pagan holidays,time to learn my friend __

      EASTER_Most historians, including Biblical scholars, agree that Easter was
      originally a pagan festival. According to the New Unger’s Bible
      Dictionary says: “The word Easter is of Saxon origin, Eastra, the
      goddess of spring, in whose honour sacrifices were offered about
      Passover time each year. By the eighth century Anglo–Saxons had adopted
      the name to designate the celebration of Christ’s resurrection.”
      However, even among those who maintain that Easter has pagan roots,
      there is some disagreement over which pagan tradition the festival
      emerged from.
      King Nimrod, Queen Easter (Ishtar/Semiramis), and Tammuz (the “reincarnated” Nimrod)___
      Nimrod built and organized major cities. The Bible notes that these included Babel, Asshur, Nineveh and Calah (Genesis 10:10-12).
      If you know anything about ancient history, the mention of these places
      may send shivers up your spine. For these were cities of great, almost
      unimaginable practices and perversion.When Nimrod
      eventually died, the Babylonian religion in which he figured
      prominently continued on. His wife/queen saw to that. Once he was dead,
      she deified him as the Sun-god. In various cultures he later became known as Baal, the Great Life Giver, the god of fire, Baalim, Bel, Molech, etc.
      “Later, when this adulterous and idolatrous woman gave birth to an illegitimate son, she claimed that this son, Tammuz by name, was Nimrod reborn.”[4]
      Easter/Ishatar “claimed that her son was supernaturally conceived [no
      human father] and that he was the promised seed, the ‘savior’”—promised
      by God in Genesis 3:15. “However, not only was the child worshipped, but the woman, the MOTHER, was also worshipped as much (or more) than the son!”[5] Nimrod deified as the god of the sun and father of creation. Easter became the goddess of the moon, fertility, etc.Thus, a religion developed with its sun and moon worship, false priests, astrology, demonic worship, worship of stars associated with their gods, idolatry,
      mysterious rites, human sacrifice, and more. Frankly, the practices
      which went on were so horrible that it is not fitting for me to speak of
      them here.

      • Magister_militum_praesentalis

        This is parallelomania and the fallacy of confabulation. Correlation does not imply causation.

        The feast of the Resurrection has always been known by Christians as Pascha, from the Greek transliteration of the word for Passover.

        • Frank Cartwright

          you can use all the fancy words you possess, the truth i presented remains,sorry my polysyllabic nimrod.

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            Why doesn’t the truth that I have presented remain? Perhaps you should look up the technical terms that you don’t know and face the music as to what they say about your assertions.

          • Frank Cartwright

            so,once again your stuff is truth,my stuff is simple assertions(from the encyclopedia Britannica! wow!

          • Yah Saves

            Frank, Here’s the deal. If you are a religious person, you are stupid. It’s just that simple. These are people who can not grasp what a five year old can…..No letter “J” means that His name couldn’t possibly be “Jesus”. It gets no more simpistic thatn that. Now see how many Christians(any religion) can grasp that juvenile concept. Not one in a million.This is why people are turned off from God-they makme the mistake of thinking these clowns are affiliated with God. God despises religions exactly because of that-they lead men astray. You can not possibly be a thinker…..and be a Christian. It’s just impossible. One must drop their brain at the door. Their responses(after littering them with facts, evidence and rational thought) will be something akin to placing their fingers in their ears and humming.

          • Frank Cartwright

            so what are you? nonreligious and just spiritual? if so,you must not follow any religious traditions, rituals, texts, symbols, dress, dietary laws etc. do you?

          • Yah Saves

            Correct. Like the God of Scripture, I am not religious. I simply pay attention, listen to and take seriously, His Word. He is only interested in a one on one personal relationship. That’s why He chose the word Beryith when first speaking to Abe-it means relationship. But you can’t make a nickel on that, so man invented religion.

          • Bingo

            And you invented your own. Who is Jesus, to you?

          • Yah Saves

            I don’t have a religion, and you can’t point to it.God doesn’t have a religion either….and you can’t show that as wrong either.
            And let me answer your question in this manner: There was not a single person on planet Earth 2000 years ago who ever uttered “Jesus”.The name “Jesus” never left the lips of any person on the planet until the 17th century. To think the Messiah is named “Jesus” requires a great deal of ignorance.But than again Christians think it is godly to lie to their children so anything is possible.

          • Bingo

            Neither do I have a religion. God despises religion.
            Your protestations about the name of Yeshua or the English, Jesus doesn’t mean a hill of beans, for He answers to the same name, His power is wielded by “Jesus” just the same, and demons quake at the name of Jesus equally. They know who I am speaking about, even if YOU do not.

            Your argument is bogus and demonically inspired…typical devilish nonsense.

          • Bingo

            Thank you for answering honestly that Jesus the Messiah means nothing to you.

          • Frank Cartwright

            i am confused,his word are texts written by “holy” men,you cannot really believe a god wrote them with a human hand do you?

          • Yah Saves

            All of the men say their words are not of their own-they were inspired by God. The litmus test is pretty stiff. Get a single prophecy wrong and that’s a death stake. Last time I checked, only God could accurately and consistently tell the future. I ask atheists to list a single errant prophecy, a single historical blunder, or a single scientific error and I will be in their camp tomorrow. I’m still waiting.

        • New Centurion

          Okay gang we Christians (i.e. the church universal) celebrate Easter for us Protestants, Pascha for EO and Christmas. Arguing about the orgins of hoildays is pointless, the early chruch argued over the proper dates for Pascha in the first ecumenical council. The focus should be on Christ, not on these secondary issues, right? Read Romans 14. Now I don’t know (Magister or Frank) where your relationship is with God, but if you’re in Christ you should not be insulting each other. There is no seperate heaven for the Eastern Orthodox or for the Baptists or Pentecostals.
          “One person considers one day more sacred than another, another considers every day alike. Each of them should be fully convinced in their own mind. Whoever regards one day as special does so to the Lord. Whoever eats meat does so to the Lord for they give thanks to God: and whoever abstains does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. Romans 14

          • Magister_militum_praesentalis

            While I agree with what have said, there are numerous fundamentalists who post on the Christian blog sites who will categorically deny that Catholics and Orthodox are Christians. Sometimes it is even worse.

          • New Centurion

            Yes and it’s awful. I was in the EOC for many years and I know many people who love the Lord. The EOC gave me my love for church history.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

            This passage has nothing to do with “Easter”. Paul was there to win souls not celebrate in the pagan festivities. This passage is talking about FOOD.

            Verses 3-6 in Romans 14 discuss those who eat certain things as opposed to those who do not. The Word doesn’t say who is right and who is wrong here, instead it speaks on not passing judgment on others. In other words, let God be the judge. (verses 4, 10-12)

            Verse 14 and 20 are NOT referring to “UNCLEAN FOODS” as is described in Leviticus 11 or Deuteronomy 14. It is openly speaking of food that is ‘OFFERED TO IDOLS’ instead. Some Christians would have you believe otherwise so as to “ok” sin, and in turn destroy not only your temple, but your testimony as well. These foods were “CEREMONIALLY UNCLEAN” period!. It was not speaking of clean and unclean by nature in any way shape or form.

            The actual point of the discussion here in Romans 14 is that no food is unclean or impure simply because some non-believer offered it up to an idol. An idol is “nothing in the world” -1Cor 8:4. Fact here is, if a person is bothered in his conscience because he is eating such foods, then he or she should simply not eat that food. PLUS, if that which is “truly” clean, but is seen as “unclean” by your brother because of how the food has been “offered to idols,” then we as Christians should abstain from eating those foods so as to not cause our brother to be offended. Simple fact is, the Creator chooses that which is clean and unclean, NOT mankind and his useless idols. It appears that some Christians are allowing their idol to preach unto to church at large. ONLY their idol is saying it’s ok to eat unclean foods. Or their idol is saying it’s not ok to eat clean meat. They totally miss the fact that it’s really “CLEAN” foods that are being offered to the idols. They only “appear” unclean by those who BELIEVE in the power of idols.

    • Frank Cartwright

      Easter and Christmas derive from pagan holidays,time to learn my friend __CHRISTMAS___ Encyclopædia
      Britannica, Volume 11 ; page 390.
      “During the later periods of Roman
      history, sun worship gained in importance and ultimately led to what has
      been called a ‘solar monotheism.’ Nearly all the gods of the
      period were possessed of Solar qualities, and both Christ and Mithra acquired the traits of solar
      deities. The feast of Sol and Victus (open unconquered Sun) on December 25th
      was celebrated with great joy, and eventually this date was taken over by the
      Christians as Christmas, the birthday of Christ.”
      Notice how it says “both Christ and Mithra acquired the traits of solar
      deities?” Pardon me, but do any alarm bells go off here?

      The Christians were apparently trying to get
      more converts so they tried to make the Messiah more like the idols found in sun
      worship—all under the guise of making Him more attractive to pagans.

      They even brought various elements of the December 25th
      “feast of the unconquered sun” into their worship
      by saying that December 25th was actually the Messiah’s birthday.
      This is the origin of Christmas and this is why we have various pagan-rooted
      traditions
      accompanying this holiday.

  • John Mark IB

    how sad and shameful that the mixing of pagan and typical catholic belief,s that what Christ alone did is insufficient? that they completely miss the Gospel message that Jesus died for sinners, only He can save us not we ourselves, not as the guy above in the article says he can only save himself? this is pure madness and mankind’s failed attempts at trying to appease GOD who is sorely disappointed with this stupidity of man trying to do more works to save himself, when Christ already suffered and paid the ultimate price so we/I don’t have to!! so sad but not surprising the one guy had a vision yeah right a vision from demons not Christ!! this is all unbiblical and not Christian at all they need to get saved and get truly born again and then they’ll know the true peace and power and love of the GOD of The Bible Jesus Christ Himself and Him alone can save nothing any man can do will do one bit for his supposed salvation apart from Christ they’re doomed for hell!! literal hell no such thing as purgatory as the catholics sadly believe in too, so sad, times are short, world gone mad,
    but my dear Filipino friends please stop this unbiblical unchristian madness and get truly saved and truly born again read the Word in the KJV preserved words in English and understand you need to repent and get born again!! here’s hope for you all may you have a blessed day and week in Jesus name amen!

    http://faithsaves.net/
    http://faithsaves.net/bible-truths-for-catholic-friends/
    http://faithsaves.net/apologetics-and-false-religions/

    http://faithsaves.net/the-passion-of-the-christ/

  • Chad Tan

    Jesus Christ died on the cross so that we don’t have to suffer the way he did on the cross, he took our place. It’s an insult to Jesus when men commit self flagellation and crucifixion because it is saying that his sufferings aren’t sufficient.

    • Frank Cartwright

      what are you talking about? many people were crucified the exact same way,with no guarantee their seat at a heavenly table.

    • Bingo

      Amen, Chad! Self-flagellation is a mockery of what Jesus went through. It’s merely religion run amok.

  • Lisa

    This is what I mean when I say catholics are not Christians. Even the priests don’t have any idea when they say they would rather have these people do good works. They say they know God when they really don’t, because if they really did they would know that this is not what God wants them to do.

    • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

      This is not Catholicism any more than snake handlers represent Evangelicals. The practice is rooted in Filipino culture, not Catholic doctrine. It is an aberration that this site pounced on in order to slander Catholics. As for the “good works” canard I could find nowhere else on the internet where this was mentioned. It appears to have been an invention of this site. If you can locate any valid attribution of this phrase uttered by a priest or bishop please enlighten me. If you are a snake handler then ignore this post.

      • Lisa

        So it’s Filipino culture to nail people to crosses and try to look like “Jesus” to boot. That’s interesting. I have read that catholicism comes alongside the culture and you can keep your traditions as long as your also adhering to catholicism. Kind of helps the transition so to speak, catholic does mean universal.

    • Eponymous1

      Faith without works is dead.

      • Lisa

        Yes but we don’t do good works to earn salvation. We can’t earn salvation.

        • MisterPine

          Catholics believe in a combination of faith and good works.

          • Lisa

            Well hopefully they don’t believe that works saves them.

    • MisterPine

      Of course Catholics are Christians, duh. Just because you don’t like some of their practices doesn’t mean they aren’t Christians. They were among the FIRST Christians.

      • Lisa

        It’s not a matter of not liking some of their practices. Their practices aren’t biblical.

        • MisterPine

          They don’t have to be. Catholics aren’t “Bible only” Christians. That came much, much later.

          • Lisa

            Ya they actually have to be biblically based to be Christian. If it’s not in the Bible it’s not true. I’ll bring up Mary. Praying to her, venerating her, going as far as to say she was sinless and is co-redemptix is not biblical. She has become a god and has taken the glory away from God and is misleading a billion people away from God-that’s a horrible deception! The teaching may have been around a long time but it doesn’t make it right.

          • MisterPine

            Read your history of Christianity a little bit. The “Bible only” thing is an invention of Christian fundamentalists. You have discarded two other sources of authority, those being church teachings and sacred traditions. I’m not even a Christian and I know this. As for Catholics worshipping Mary, that’s more fundamentalist crap. They venerate and respect Mary but don’t worship her.

          • Lisa

            I have read the Bible-many times. Why would I read the history of a false religion? It’s the catholic church that makes their teachings and traditions equal to the Bible. Sort of like the mormons that think their stuff is equally as important. When the truth is that the Bible being the word of God is the only authoritative word.
            I wonder why you care if your not a Christian?

          • MisterPine

            I care because this is simple basic history, if you call yourself a Christian then you branched from the Catholics whether you like it or not. And when you call it “false” all you’re telling me is that you’re a fundamentalist who has been brought up to hate Catholicism.

          • Lisa

            Haha I didn’t branch from catholicism. I was not brought up to hate catholics-lol! I had no opinion about them until I studied what they believe a few years ago and came to the conclusion that they were a false religion. I don’t hate them though I sure do feel bad that they believe lies and I do wish that they could see the truth.

          • MisterPine

            No, I am sorry, you are wrong. If you are a Christian, apart from Orthodox, and you are Protestant, then you branched off from the Catholic Church. That’s a fact. Not an opinion.

          • Lisa

            Nope, I didn’t!

          • MisterPine

            Well, how do you explain that every other non-Catholic Christian did? Have you never heard of the Protestant Reformation?

          • Lisa

            Being a non-Christain, you have no idea what Christianity is about-sorry. Ya I have heard of the reformation.

          • MisterPine

            I know precisely what it’s about. Anyway the Reformation was when people split from the Catholics.

          • Lisa

            I’m sorry you made a bad decision for yourself.

          • MisterPine

            I didn’t. I’m not the fundamentalist.

          • Lisa

            Well if you know what Christianity is about and you aren’t a Christian then I do think you’ve made a bad decision. You will be thrown in the lake of fire where there is weeping and gnashing of teeth. To me that is a bad decision.

          • MisterPine

            I would call making my belief system one that includes such a place as a lake of fire with weeping and gnashing of teeth to be a bad decision.

          • Lisa

            Suit yourself.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            I AM a Christian and I have to say that MisterPine knows a lot more about the history of our religion than you do. I would challenge you to read the writings of the Apostolic Fathers, men who were instructed by Jesus’ own Apostles. Protestants seem oddly averse to reading them because SURPRISE! they are seen as too “Catholic!” You misunderstood what was being said to you. You personally did not branch out from Catholicism, but the church you belong to absolutely can be traced back to its Roman Catholic origins, like it or not. Even if you are non-denominational (in other words there is no name for your flavor of Christianity) you can still trace your theology back to one of the Reformers who were themselves Catholic schismatics. I would love to agree with you, but history is not on your side.

          • Lisa

            I already told Mr Pine that I have not studied your church’s history. Your church’s history is NOT my history. I do think Mr Pine thinks I personally have branched from catholicism. He thinks he understands Christianity but in reality he doesn’t. Non Christians think they know what Christianity is all about and think that Christians need to bow down to what they think Christianity is all about but if he really knew then he would be a Christian and we may be having a different conversation.
            The reason why I won’t read your church’s history is because I don’t look at it as having the same authority that the Bible has. It means absolutely nothing to me yet it means everything to a catholic because without that history you really can’t get the authority for anything your church teaches from the Bible. Twisting around a few scriptures not withstanding.
            History does not have to be in my side-I only care about what the Bible says to be true.
            Maybe you should think about Matthew 7:13-14
            Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many that enter through it. For the gate is small and the way is narrow that leads to life, and there are few who find it.
            If you are a catholic then no you aren’t a Christian.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            You don’t have to read “my” Church’s history if you don’t want. But if you study “yours,” you can’t go back before 1517 without studying “mine.” Unless you believe that God dropped the Bible into Martin Luther’s lap. (Except Luther wanted to remove several books that he didn’t agree with.) Or maybe He dropped it into John Calvin’s lap or Huldrych Zwingli’s. Do you even know who these people are?

          • Lisa

            I still only care about what the Bible says.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            I must be stupid not to understand what you are saying. You only care what the Bible says, correct? Then when does the Bible say it was written?

          • Lisa

            I don’t care when the Bible was written. I only care what it says. I think you don’t understand me because you are trying to make a point about something to which I don’t really care about. For catholics it’s really important to have that history to say well church history says this and that means a lot more then what the Bible says. I say that what the Bible says means more then what church history says.

          • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

            We’ve established that you don’t care about history and that you only care what the Bible says. But the Gospels are the history of Jesus’ ministry and Acts is the history of the early Church. So you have to admit that you do care about SOME history, just not the part you think isn’t important.

          • Lisa

            I was only ever meaning the history of the catholic church-yes.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

            Its worship of Mary no matter how you try to sugar coat it.

          • MisterPine

            Only to fundamentalist bigots. Not reasonable people.

          • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

            Catholic I presume?

          • MisterPine

            Atheist.

        • http://bbcatholics.blogspot.com/ OneBreadOneBody

          The inspired books of the Bible only became part of the canon of scripture because they agreed with the teachings and practices of the Church at that time, not the other way around. The Catholic Church decided what would be in the Bible. There were no Protestants to help them decide. You are reading a Roman Catholic Bible. If you are going to put your faith in a book, don’t you think it would make sense to know its history?

          • Lisa

            Well you can put your faith in your church’s history all you want-makes no difference to me. I have no doubt that God who have us the scriptures could preserve them so that we would have the truth. Lol! From what I read you have more books in your Bible then we do anyway. The Bible and catholic church history are not the same. Christian history is in the Bible. Which is what catholics don’t really understand.

      • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

        No they were not. Catholics were NEVER the first Christians.

        • MisterPine

          So all the history books are wrong, and you are right?

  • Maggi Fitzgibbon Escamilla

    Well, it would be an excellent opportunity to go and preach the gospel. Think how joyful they will be to really hear the Good News.

  • P.A.

    So, what did you do last weekend, Jose? Oh not much I just hung around, looking at the scenery.

  • Karen Hanes

    Our DEBT was paid in FULL on the cross. So not needed!

  • EdWalton

    If the Lion of Judea’s offering wasn’t enough to calm the fury of the Father’s wrath, they’re deluded to think they can endure their just punishment.

  • http://www.remnantofgod.org/ John1429dotorg

    How can Rome criticize this? They are the ones that STARTED it after they borrowed this custom from other pagan religions. And now they passed this same practice onto their majestic masterpiece of deception, Islam. (Ashura)

  • MisterPine

    It’s not hard to see what’s going on, these people want to feel the same kind of suffering Jesus did, they’re not out to re-enact it but to experience it. It’s over the top, of course, but it’s just a few overenthusiastic people and not an epidemic.

    • Frank Cartwright

      many many more humans felt what jesus did and would not renounce him,what about them?

  • http://www.prizebeatz1.com John Dominique

    The story of Jesus is an allegory for the soul. Born pure of a virgin, miraculous, rejected and buried yet still lives. The story has been misunderstood and passed off to mean something other than we are one with God because of the soul.

  • David Brown

    What a travesty that anyone would think THEY could atone for their own sins when it took the Son of God coming to earth from heaven to finish the job for all of mankind The RCC would rather these poor misled deluded People provide ‘good works’ which is also a travesty thinking they could be possibly good enough to merit forgiveness of sins and eternal life. What a shame neither doesn’t understand that is the very simple Gospel of Christ alone that does the job provided as a FREE UNDESERVED GIFT which must be received this way. That means allowing Jesus the full honor of what he finished.

  • Truthhurts24

    A bunch of blasphemous heathens without any knowledge of the word of God.

  • Frank Cartwright

    http://www.timesofisrael.com/pope-calls-armenian-slaughter-1st-genocide-of-20th-century/
    ___ one more example how religion causes suffering and human
    division.they should all be forgotten!

  • Frank Cartwright