Obama Issues Statement for ‘International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia’

ObamaWASHINGTON — Barack Obama issued a statement over the weekend in observance of the “International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia,” declaring his intent to continue to push for acceptance of the lifestyles in the United States and beyond.

“Michelle and I join our fellow Americans and others around the world in commemorating the International Day Against Homophobia and Transphobia,” he wrote in recognition of the day, which was Sunday.

“We take this opportunity to reaffirm that lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender (LGBT) rights are human rights, to celebrate the dignity of every person, and to underscore that all people deserve to live free from fear, violence, and discrimination, regardless of who they are or whom they love,” he stated.

Obama remarked that he and his wife work as homosexual and transgender advocates on a daily basis.

“We work toward this goal every day. Here at home, we are working to end bias-motivated violence, combat discrimination in the workplace, and address the specific needs of transgender persons,” he said. “Overseas, I am proud of the steps that the United States has taken to prioritize the protection and promotion of LGBT rights in our diplomacy and global outreach.”

The president vowed to continue the push in the day ahead.

“There is much more to do, and this fight for equality will not be won in a day.  But we will keep working, at home and abroad, and we will keep fighting, for however long it takes until we are all able to live free and equal in dignity and rights,” Obama said.

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As previously reported, the Obama administration has been regarded as the most vocal in American history in regard to its support for homosexuality and transgenderism. He has spoken about the issue in several of his State of the Union addresses, as well as his 2013 inaugural address.

“Our journey is not complete until our gay brothers and sisters are treated like anyone else under the law,” Obama stated after taking the oath of office for the second time. “For if we are truly created equal, then surely the love we commit to one another must be equal as well.”

He has additionally expressed his support for the legalization of same-sex “marriage,” and his administration announced the opening of a transgender-friendly restroom at the White House earlier this year. Obama’s adviser, Valerie Jarrett, has publicly opposed providing help for homosexual youth in recent statements.

“The president is determined to lead by example. He has hired more openly LGBT Americans to serve in his administration than any other in history,” she wrote in an op-ed for “The Advocate” last month. “And we have closely examined our internal policies on everything from benefits, to restroom access, to how we invite people to events, to ensure that everyone who enters this building feels safe and fully respected.”

As previously reported, in early America, General George Washington ordered Lieutenant Frederick Gotthold Enslin to be drummed out of the camp for “attempting to commit sodomy” with a male soldier.

His March 14th proclamation stated, “His Excellency, the Commander in Chief, approves the sentence, and with abhorrence and detestation of such infamous crimes, orders Lieut. Enslin to be drummed out of camp tomorrow morning by all the drummers and fifers in the Army never to return; the drummers and fifers to attend on the Grand Parade at guard mounting for that purpose.”

A number of states also passed sodomy laws under their criminal statutes, banning sexual activity between those of the same gender due to biblical prohibitions against it.

 


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  • Lark62

    “… to celebrate the dignity of every person, and to underscore that all people deserve to live free from fear, violence, and discrimination, regardless of who they are or whom they love,” he stated.”

    Read those words. Read what you are gathering your pitchforks to oppose: Dignity. Freedom from fear. Freedom from violence.

    Human decency. Based on their talk about love and compassion and mercy and grace, it ought to be christians leading the way. But as usual I expect it will be the christians promoting the fear and the violence and the discrimination.

    • Joshua Krug

      But as usual, regardless.

    • smbelow

      “it ought to be christians leading the way…”
      You know…I’ve been studying the Bible for decades and fully recognize that I do not comprehend everything. Thus, I will continue studying. Therefore, If Christians should be leading the way for this LGBT movement, please show me how I’m misunderstanding God’s word, the natural order of relationships and our own understanding of right and wrong.

      • Lark62

        Love others as I have loved you.
        Treat others as you would like to be treated
        Do not judge
        Worry about the 2×4 in your eye not the splinter in someone else’s eye.
        Do justice, love kindness and walk humbly with God.

        All those verses and many like them have one thing in common – the focus is on each person making sure he/she is doing right. The focus is inward not outward.

        Modern Christians on the other hand are all about looking outward – judging and condemning “those other people”. This way you can completely ignore all that unpleasant self reflection and personal responsibility. When you spend all your time shouting about how much god hates those other people, you don’t have to worry about hearing that he isn’t too thrilled with you either.

        This total failure of religion to promote any semblance of decency, compassion and humility is what leads many to wonder if religion is totally bogus.

        • smbelow

          “Love others as I have loved you…”

          Exactly! And how did God demonstrate his love? What was Jesus’ sacrifice for if not to save us from the sinful nature that is in our hearts? How do we repay Him for his sacrifice? Do we continue to chase after the lusts of the flesh? Did He hang on the cross so that we can continue to debase ourselves outside of His natural order?

          And how about “judging?” If I use scripture to support a wrong position in the culture, do I place judgment or the Word of God (Jesus)? We all judge, even your post is a judgment on Christians. We just need to determine what is the foundation of judgment and by what world-view are we offended. God or man?

          “…sure he/she is doing right”
          Based on what objective moral principle?

          “Modern Christians on the other hand are…”
          Wrong conclusion. The modern Christian is becoming more vocal because society is heading towards destruction and God’s wrath. We’re just trying to get you to see the mistakes.

          “This way you can completely ignore…”
          Absolutely not (Isaiah 64:6).

          “This total failure of religion to promote any semblance of decency, compassion and humility…”

          Based on whose world-view? God’s or man’s? God provides the only foundational explanation of moral absolutes. Without God, chaos, hate, violence and the absence of love reins.

          • Chrissy Vee

            Glory to the God on high! Thank you for keeping it real sister! ♥

        • cornerstonechwk

          I totally agree with you that we love and respect other people as they are made in Gods image as well. The problem is your cherry picking from the bible. Do not judge is the most abused of all bible verses, especially by unbelievers. We are most definitely to judge, but to judge righteous judgement. In fact you are now making judgements yourself, but can’t seem to see that!
          If we truly love our neighbour we will do as Jesus did and warn them of the dire consequences of their sin, and lead them to the Saviour who can set them free from sin and it’s consequences.
          So yes, lets humbly, and compassionately warn these people of what awaits all who do not repent and put their trust in Jesus Christ for the complete forgiveness of sin.

          • Lark62

            According to the story, Jesus loved the couple getting married in Canaan by making wine, not by preaching at them about sin. Except for people using the temple to get rich, he acted in ways the people on the receiving end would have perceived as kind.

            You totally missed the point. Stop worrying about other people and look at your own crud. Act in ways the person experiencing your acts would view as kind.

            Or not.

            I realized that christianity was a load of cow manure when I could no longer deny that christianity simply did not matter. People protected their friends rather than the weak. Priest, football coach or businessman – It didn’t matter. People judged others while ignoring their own faults. People stole, but appearances mattered more than honesty. All the jesus talk and public prayers simply had no impact. Good people were good, greedy people were greedy and self righteous busybodies were self righteous busybodies with or without a 2000 year old zombie.

            Then I read the bible. As in, paid attention to the words on the page. This is when I realized it was 5% pretty sound bites and 95% nonsense, glorification of genocide and petty rules.

            So keep on keeping on. Keep inspiring everyone who hears you speak to wonder if anything in the bible is actually true.

          • cornerstonechwk

            // Jesus loved the couple getting married in Canaan by making wine, not by preaching at them about sin. // And no doubt it was a God honouring marriage between a man and a woman.

            //Stop worrying about other people and look at your own crud// My, how judgemental of you! Why are you not then taking your own advice?
            //
            Act in ways the person experiencing your acts would view as kind.// So you are now telling me what to do?
            // People judged others while ignoring their own faults. // Then they were not demonstrating Christianity were they? Being that Christianity teaches us to see our faults and repent. Why are you so judgemental of Christians?
            // People stole, but appearances mattered more than honesty.// Not sure what you are saying here, but assuming you are now a professing atheist, where do you get morality from without God, such as the need for honesty?
            // greedy people were greedy and self righteous busybodies were self righteous busybodies with or without a 2000 year old zombie.// Wow! Very judgemental!

            //to wonder if anything in the bible is actually true.// If the bible were not true there could be no such thing as truth.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            You do a nice job of pointing out their hypocrisy. And, of course, it must be a hypocritical lifestyle, as it is based on a lie. And, there is no morality without reality.

    • Paul Hiett

      and “Human Rights”.

    • Kathryn Evans

      Please tell me what is “dignified”, “decent” and “godly” about shtupping another guy in the @$$?

      • Lark62

        Your dignity as a person is not determined by what you to do in bed or who you find attractive.

        • cornerstonechwk

          Our dignity is based on the fact that we are all created in Gods image. Morality however is determined by God, and He says homosexuality is sin and will be judged. In His love He warns men to flee immorality and embrace Jesus Christ who died to pay the penalty for that immorality so that we don’t have to.

          • Paul Hiett

            That’s fine then. Let your choice of a deity deal with it.

          • cornerstonechwk

            He will deal with it! That’s why warning people is the loving thing to do.

          • amostpolitedebate

            *Set’s gay bar on fire* “WHY WON’T YOU PEOPLE ACCEPT GOD’S LOVE!1!?”

          • cornerstonechwk

            Wow! What a dumb thing to say!

          • amostpolitedebate

            The joke is that Christians like to define their nasty hateful actions as somehow a loving attempt to help the people they harm.

          • cornerstonechwk

            So warning a person who is headed for a 200 foot cliff is hateful? Got it!

          • amostpolitedebate

            It is when when the person in question doesn’t actually care about the people they are warning and is instead just looking for ways to stick it to people they perceive as political enemies.

            Not hateful: Posting that homosexuality is a sin online where interested parties can read your opinions of their own free will.

            Hateful: Forcing your opinion on people in public when it wasn’t asked for in the first place. Then doing so over and over again as if they didn’t hear you the first time.

            Hateful (big time): Cruising bars in order to lure gay people back to a hotel room where you will beat them nearly to death as a way of terrorizing them and others into not having gay sex anymore.

          • cornerstonechwk

            So being hateful is absolutely morally wrong? By what standard? According to you it’s just an arbitrary opinion. I like the color red myself.

          • amostpolitedebate

            Not absolutely so, no. However I find such actions repugnant (because I have basic human empathy), and therefore wish to see this country moved in a different direction.

            Also, I can’t help but notice that you didn’t refute my statements about Christians caring more about hurting their enemies than helping people.

          • cornerstonechwk

            (because I have basic human empathy) Who says this is the standard? What about people who don’t have this? Are they wrong?
            //Also, I can’t help but notice that you didn’t refute my statements about Christians caring more about hurting their enemies than helping people.// That’s because it’s such a silly thing to say! If you truly love your neighbour as yourself, you will give them what they need. Mans greatest need is for Gods forgiveness. What an incredibly dumb thing to say!

          • Taussig

            Mans greatest need is not your god’s forgiveness….that your issue.

          • cornerstonechwk

            So you’re not even going to say anything to back up your statement? Silly! Of course the biggest need is for Gods forgiveness, as it is an eternal consequence. When we feed the hungry and help the poor as we ought to, but leave out the gospel, we simply make the world a better place to go to hell from. That’s not love!

          • amostpolitedebate

            I’m not defining Christians as people who follow your faith exactly as you do. I’m defining it as people who attend church and call themselves “Christians” (and you know it). The fact that you don’t like the things that they do in the name of your faith doesn’t change the fact that they are coming out of YOUR religion.

            I mean, what exactly did you think would happen when Very Important members of your faith started to run around screaming that two men kissing will result in God sending hurricanes to destroy America?

          • cornerstonechwk

            // I’m defining it as people who attend church and call themselves “Christians”// If it’s any consolation, these people will get the same as any other hypocrites. They will be exposed as false believers and end up in hell same as anyone who has not been born again.
            //Very Important members// In who’s eyes?
            We cannot know if a hurricane is sent from God to judge, but it could be. Because He is good, He must eventually judge wickedness. But the bible says, God has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but would rather see us repent and live. He is merciful! That’s why He sent Jesus to pay the penalty for our sins.

          • cornerstonechwk

            //Hateful: Forcing your opinion on people in public when it wasn’t asked for in the first place. Then doing so over and over again as if they didn’t hear you the first time.// Is that why you came on this Christian site? To force your opinion on those who never asked you for it?

          • Chrissy Vee

            Are you aware that ISIS is now throwing homosexuals off tall buildings and torturing them??
            I know you don’t care about what they are doing to Christians, but why don’t you go to a Muslim news site and harass them, seeing as you are such an angry advocate for homosexuals?
            I am sure I am not the only Christian who read that and prayed for them. What a nasty hateful action, hm?

          • amostpolitedebate

            Because I live in the US and Muslims aren’t the ones spreading hate and committing violence here.

            Also, I’m not seeing how you addressed my main point. There is a very real element within the larger Christian community that demeans, disenfranchises and commits violence against gay people and often to do so under the pretense of somehow helping them. The fact that ISIS also does bad things doesn’t change this.

          • Chrissy Vee

            I am part of that community. The only “Christians” I see spreading that kind of hatred is the Westborough Baptist church. Any other Christian doing that should check themselves. I find myself losing my temper with some Atheists and the part of the LGBT movement that bullies. But I always repent and I absolutely do not think all Atheists are jerks or that all homosexuals are bullies. I pray for all and try to keep peace. I also find myself defending my brothers and sisters in Christ against those who attack their character and faith because we believe God. Penn Teller, a famous Atheist said, Christians who really believe there is a Heaven and Hell must really hate people if they don’t tell them. That is the most common sense thing I have ever heard come from an Atheist and I really respect him for that. I tried to post the video, but I don’t think it made it. Oh well.

          • Chrissy Vee

            🙂 heeheehee, I was about to type the same thing.

      • Paul Hiett

        Oh, you think what two people do in the privacy of their own home is “icky”. Yep, that must really affect your daily life, doesn’t it? I mean, think of all those rights of yours that they’re trampling on while they consensually engage in nothing illegal! How dare they!??!?!?!?!?

        • Oboehner

          They can keep their mentally challenged perversion private then, I don’t want to hear about it, I don’t want to be forced to accept it, and I don’t want to see any of it in public.

      • weasel1886

        We should just kill people we don’t like that seems to be the Christian way

        • cornerstonechwk

          Yes of course! We see Christians slaughtering people all over the place don’t we? Oh brother!!!

          • weasel1886

            At least I got a response!
            I see all kinds of posts about how awful gays are but very little about what should be done.
            Maybe you could enlighten me.
            BTW History is full of Christians killing others

          • MisterPine

            Do I really need to post AGAIN the list of US Pastors who would like to see homosexuals killed? It’s quite a long list.

          • cornerstonechwk

            I would like to see this list if you don’t mind?

          • MisterPine

            Pastor Donnie Romero, founder of Stedfast Baptist Church in Fort Worth, Texas
            Texas pastor brags about harassing lesbians as he calls for death of ‘dirty f*ggots’
            “I love that part of the Bible, and I’m going to preach that part of the Bible until the day I die, and if I ever stop preaching that part of the Bible, I hope my kids tell me, ‘Dad, you’re going soft on sin. You need to get up there and rip on these queers because it’s only getting worse and worse’”
            “Romero said gays should be marked for death, unlike other sinners, because he said God views them as an abomination.”
            http://www.rawstory. com/rs/2014/12/texas-pastor-brags-about-harassing-lesbians-as-he-calls-for-death-of-dirty-fggots/

            Patsor Stephen L. Anderson, pastor of Faithful Word Baptist Church in Tempe, Arizona
            ‘Kill All Homos’ Pastor: ‘It’s the Government’s Job’ to Execute Gay People (VIDEO)
            http://www.addictinginfo. org/2014/12/06/kill-all-homos-pastor-its-the-governments-job-to-execute-gay-people-video/
            http://tellmenow. com/2014/05/arizona-pastor-the-government-should-use-the-death-penalty-on-homosexuals/
            “It was right there in the Bible all along — and they’re out spending billions of dollars in research and testing. It’s curable — right there,” he told his congregation after quoting from Leviticus. “Because if you executed the homos like God recommends, you wouldn’t have all this AIDS running rampant.”
            “Rather than the government’s job is to punish criminals and to execute those who commit capital crimes and, according to the Bible, homosexuality is a capital crime, and I didn’t write the Bible.”
            “Well, that’s just a fallacy that it just turns out that certain people are gay. That’s just a lie. Because it’s not random — it’s not something that’s just gonna accidentally happen to one of my children…”

            AZ Pastor’s ‘Biblical’ FINAL SOLUTION to ‘Homo’ ‘Pedophiles’: Mass Extermination (VIDEO)
            http://www.ifyouonlynews. com/politics/this-arizona-pastor-wants-to-cure-aids-by-exterminating-all-the-homos-video/
            “And that, my friend, is the cure for AIDS. It was right there in the Bible all along — and they’re out spending billions of dollars in research and testing. It’s curable — right there. Because if you executed the homos like God recommends, you wouldn’t have all this AIDS running rampant.
            Because just think — what would be your attitude toward pedophiles? That should be your attitude toward homos. Would you have pedophiles over for a family gathering? Would you invite pedophiles into the church? No — that’s what they are.”

            Pastor Charles L. Worley of Providence Road Baptist Church
            “I figured a way to get rid of all the lesbians and queers. Build a great, big, large fence — 150- or 100-mile long — put all the lesbians in there . . . do the same thing for the queers and the homosexuals, and have that fence electrified so they can’t get out.”
            http://www.nydailynews. com/news/national/north-carolina-pastor-calls-death-gays-lesbians-trapping-electric-fence-article-1.1082160

            Pastor Robby Gallaty, Brainerd Baptist Church
            “They must be put to death. And their blood is on their own hands”
            http://www.addictinginfo. org/2014/09/04/christian-pastor-at-mega-chruch-calls-on-gays-to-be-put-to-death/

            Pastor Curtis Knapp, of the New Hope Baptist Church in Seneca, Kansas
            “They should be put to death. Oh, so you’re saying we should go out and start killing them, no?’ I’m saying the government should. They won’t, but they should.”
            http://www.opposingviews. com/i/religion/christianity/audio-pastor-curtis-knapp-calls-us-government-kill-gays

            Pastor Robert Anderson, Colonial Baptist Church
            “Those who practice such things are deserving of death”
            http://www.theindychannel. com/news/pastor-says-same-sex-couples-worthy-of-death

            Pastor Michael V. Williams, PreachingPolitics
            “practice of homosexuality in the United States of America and in all its territories and possessions, and in all its States, Counties and Cities shall be a felony punishable by ten years in prison at hard labor.”
            http://www.rawstory. com/rs/2014/08/pastor-calls-to-imprison-gays-for-ten-years-hard-labor-with-new-constitutional-amendment/

            Reverend Michael Crook
            “I really, truly wish that atheism and homosexuality could both be criminalized with the death penalty as end result”
            http://aattp. org/christian-pastor-calls-for-atheists-and-gays-to-be-put-to-death/

      • amostpolitedebate

        I could ask the same question about straight sex, yet I don’t hear you complaining about those disgusting opposite-sex marriages.

      • Taussig

        what business is it of yours sweety?

    • Javon Itiswatitis Winston

      True Christians are not and should not be promoting fear or violence but by no means should we be leading the way in what is detestable to God. Discrimination is not what we stand on but rather the Word of God. We love all people but we are against what is contrary to the will of God.

      • Lark62

        So if you were a florist, would sell flowers for a wedding if:

        a. You knew nothing about what sins the couple commits
        b. You know they’ve been living together for 10 years, and have broken up and slept with other people at least 3 times in those 10 years
        c. They have 5 divorces between them
        d. They are getting married so I partner can immigrate to the US. Then can’t stand each other and don’t care that they are breaking the law.
        e. The man is abusive and controlling. She feels she has to get married because she’s pregnant.
        f. They have been in an exclusive, loving and monogamous relationship for 4 decades but were prevented from marrying because they are both female.

        • cornerstonechwk

          What’s your point? All of the above are sins, including the one you tried to make look nice and acceptable.

          • MisterPine

            Why are they sins? Simply because your religion tells you they are?

        • Bobby Mae

          Yes they would and they know it. I’ve never heard one christian say they wouldn’t. The most I’ve heard is “maybe not,” and we all know what that means.

          • cornerstonechwk

            So tell me, where do you get morality without God?

          • amostpolitedebate

            It’s not that hard really. You just have to pay attention to the natural consequences of various actions.

            “Oh wow! All this murder is getting kind of intense. Maybe we should make a rule against it or something.”

          • cornerstonechwk

            But why is murder wrong if all we are is a bunch of chemicals and dirt?

          • amostpolitedebate

            The same way we decide if a particular intersection should have a stop sign. We look at the situation carefully and make the decision that works best for everyone. Murder causes all sorts of problems, so it makes good sense for the state to ban it.

          • cornerstonechwk

            You are not answering the question! You are assuming murder to be morally wrong, but you are not attempting to give any account for that belief. What chemical accident made murder wrong?

          • amostpolitedebate

            Maybe I’m not sure what you’re asking? I don’t want me or my friends and family to be murdered so I support US laws banning the practice. It’s really not much more complicated than that.

          • cornerstonechwk

            But why is murder wrong? If all we are is star stuff, what’s wrong with poking holes in other star stuff? Especially if we find it to be fun?

          • amostpolitedebate

            Nothing… in and of itself anyways. The same way that there’s noting inherently wrong with me going 30 in the 25 MPH zone. It’s just a thing that happens. Matter moving relative to other matter. It’s only when we as humans experience these things that they get ascribed the label of “right” or “wrong”.

            I realize that’s not a recipe for perfect or easy morality. There are no absolutes and that some will inevitably come out of any consensus unhappy (sorry, serial killers). However it’s the way things actually work. We can either ignore it, and wonder why things keep going wrong, or we can embrace it, and try to find ways to make our shared existence work for as many people as possible.

          • cornerstonechwk

            // There are no absolutes // This is an absolute statement and is therefore self refuting! Are you absolutely certain that there are no absolutes?

          • amostpolitedebate

            Depends how you define an “absolute”. 2+2=4 is absolutely true (at least until you get into really weird theoretical math). However this sort of logic doesn’t cleanly apply to ethical questions. Once you’ve already defined what you value you can then use that sort of logic to come up with rules and laws but it won’t help you decide what you value in the first place. That’s a largely arbitrary, emotional (and somewhat biological) process in the first place and as a result each person will hold a slightly different moral code. Thus, any sort of “absolute” morality is impossible because any shared moral code is bound to cause conflict somewhere.

          • cornerstonechwk

            //any sort of “absolute” morality is impossible because any shared moral code is bound to cause conflict somewhere.// So the conflict is what keeps it from being true? What is truth in your worldview?

          • amostpolitedebate

            If you’re willing to make the assumption that the world exists in a state relatively similar to how we perceive it, you can make very strong educated guesses on a wide variety of topics. However, these educated guesses are based on the senses (which can be fooled) and reason (which can be mistaken), so you will never truly “know” anything with 100% certainty. In this sense there is no one “truth”. It’s one of those uncomfortable things you have to just learn to live with.

          • cornerstonechwk

            //so you will never truly “know” anything with 100%//
            Do you know that with certainty. The claim that we cannot have certainty is itself a claim to certainty, and is therefore self-refuting and absurd.

          • cornerstonechwk

            //(sorry, serial killers).// But some are happy serial killers. Are they wrong? Not according to your standard. So why are you even on here if your arbitrary opinion is no better that any others?

          • cornerstonechwk

            //Nothing… in and of itself anyways //Matter moving relative to other matter.// Exactly, yet you don’t live that way! You live as though my worldview was true, and people have inherent value and worth as having been made in Gods image. Inconsistency is a problem my friend!

    • Oboehner

      Now you’re promoting the fear and the violence and the discrimination against Christians.

      • Lark62

        Uh, no.

        In what way did I promote violence or create a situation in which christians fear for personal safety. When did I ever say that christians are not worthy of being treated decently?

        I believe that a christians may not create and environment where others are afraid of mistreatment.

        In what possible warped and demented world would the response to “Treat other people with kindness” be a claim that one is being mistreated. No. A christian is NOT persecuted when asked to treat fellow citizens with decency and kindness.

        • Oboehner

          The exact same way you accuse others.

  • Guy New

    i
    am a ex post op transsexual activist who has met and known many LGBT
    people and i know gay men who became eunuchs so they would stop lusting
    for other men because they wanted to be right with Jesus … i am 60 yrs
    old and was in a mental hospital with other gay people in the 60’s when
    being gay was a mental disease. I know all the facets of this
    lifestyle. I have been to many protest across the USA and have worked
    with HRC and many other groups but i finally was introduced to the truth
    of Jesus and i said i will try this and surrender and when i did i had
    ministering angels come celebrate me a lost sheep back into the fold..i
    have watched my mom in her last week have 2 visions of heaven. Being gay
    or even just seeking any self serving life is of the world and that is
    the issue.. we are to come out of the world because right now satan
    rules this world and soon he will be released big time and then people
    like me won’t even be able to reach others who live for themselves.. I
    pray you will think seriously about this and come to seek Jesus with all
    you have. Do not seek your own glory or pleasure but seek the will of
    God who is Jesus and you will know that life does extend beyond this
    realm and you can be a part of Jesus for eternity or you can be a part
    of satan for eternity.. the choice is yours my friend.. I will be
    praying for you amen

    • LadyFreeBird<God'sNotDead

      Amen !

    • Frank

      Amen. Sin is sin no matter the form. As Jesus said twice in Luke, “Repent or perish.”

    • Paul Hiett

      The key part of your post is the end. “The choice is yours…”

      So why not butt of the choices that other people make?

      • Richard

        > So why not butt out of the choices that other people make?

        Why aren’t you following your own advice? You reveal your hypocrisy over and over again.

        • Paul Hiett

          I’m not the one constantly trying to tell others how to live, and wanting to pass judgement on those who don’t believe the same as you.

          It’s clear you don’t even know what the word “hypocrisy” means.

          • cornerstonechwk

            Why do you keep passing judgement on Richard? Perhaps you need to stop telling him how to live?

          • Bobby Mae

            Richard claims to be a medical professional, and repeatedly ignores questions about his own sexual orientation. If anyone needs a warning, it’s him.

          • cornerstonechwk

            But you don’t seem to see that you are judging him and telling him how to live right after saying no one should do that? Oh man!

          • Bobby Mae

            I absolutely judge people who personally attack me. Especially anti gay people like Richard who experienced/has experienced same sex attraction himself. Careful with who you are defending. By your standards he also needs to be warned

          • cornerstonechwk

            That may very well be true, as I don’t know who is a true Christian on here or not. My point is though that you are contradicting your own supposed standard. It is self refuting and therefore irrational.

          • Bobby Mae

            No honey, you think that because you only see this conversation. Richard has a history with many people here, myself included.

          • cornerstonechwk

            Irrelevant to my comment. You say people should not judge, yet you judge, that they should not tell others how to live, yet you tell others how to live. Talk about blindness!

          • Bobby Mae

            Haha no you don’t get.I’m not trying to prevent Christians or straight people from getting married or anything of the sort. Nice try though.

          • cornerstonechwk

            Of course not. You just want to force them to celebrate your perversion.

          • Bobby Mae

            No. Im not forcing anyone to attend a gay wedding. You should write a book, you clearly have an active imagination.

          • cornerstonechwk

            //Im not forcing anyone to attend a gay wedding.// That will likely be on the near agenda.

          • Bobby Mae

            Hahaha only in your delusional, fear-based mind.

          • cornerstonechwk

            Yes, like forcing ministers to defile their consciences and do so called gay weddings. Or to force bakeries to go against conscience and bake a cake. It’s right in line with those!

          • Bobby Mae

            No minister of a church has been forced to wed a gay couple. A public bakery has no right in claiming “conscience” as an excuse when you serve the public. Imagine a black person enters your store and you dont like it… That violates your conscience so that’s acceptable to not serve them right? Lol

          • cornerstonechwk

            You don’t get out much do you? Gay groups are trying to force ministers to perform so called gay weddings.
            So an anti-homosexual group goes to a sign shop owned by a gay man, and asks him to make him a homosexuality is sin sign. Should he have to?

          • Bobby Mae

            I dont get out much lol I’m gay myself . please link me to where a pastor is being forced to wed a gay couple. and yes I would still make the sign and take his money.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Here’s more support for you on that (just take the spaces out before the dots) – in addition to the 300 examples listed above:

            https://www .facebook .com/GayActivistsarehypocrites/timeline?ref=page_internal

          • Bobby Mae

            There’s a difference between me, who isn’t trying to prevent or change rights about Christians or straight marriage than someone who is actively trying to limit the rights of another group. And dont even bring of “religious freedom.” LOL unless you plan on screening every single customer of yours, you and everyone else know that law is purely geared toward homosexual customers.

          • cornerstonechwk

            What about the rights of those groups who may want to murder or steal, or rape? What about their rights?

          • Bobby Mae

            Are you really going to compare two people consensually living together, not in your house, to murder/rape/theft? I feel sorry for you. You must go insane thinking about what goes on behind closed doors in a country of over 300 million.

          • cornerstonechwk

            //Are you really going to compare two people consensually living together, not in your house, to murder/rape/theft?//

            Why do you ask this? Are you suggesting these other things are (more) wrong? What standard of morality are you appealing to when you say this? In order to say some things are more wrong, you must appeal to a standard.

          • Bobby Mae

            Lying is a sin as well. Are you suggesting that murder is more wrong than lying?

          • cornerstonechwk

            That is the point that I am making. What standard are you appealing to when you say that? What chemical accident makes murder more wrong than lying?

          • Bobby Mae

            Chemical accident? What are you talking about? I’m not even atheist. But taking the life of someone is clearly not on the same level of lying. Buddhists know that and they’re not christian.

          • cornerstonechwk

            Not Just Buddhists either! All people know this as they all know the one true God just as He has said in Romans 1:18-23. And when you say it’s clearly not the same you appeal to a standard outside of yourself. Like I said earlier God has hard wired us image bearers to know His law, so that we are without excuse when we stand before Him in judgement. Repent!

          • Kara Connor

            The Golden Rule. Try it.

          • Richard

            You should look up the word hypocrisy. You might even find your picture there.

        • Bobby Mae

          Because people like you are actively trying to prevent others from being able to make choices?

      • The Last Trump

        Ditto.
        Atheistic LGBT agenda pushing troll. On the CHRISTIAN website.
        “butt out of the choices that other people make”

        Your own words just continue to expose you as the glaring hypocrite you really are. Thanks for posting. Keep it up. You know, in case anybody here still has any remaining doubts as to what you are really all about.

        • Paul Hiett

          Oh look, Trump insulted me again. Such a change in your behavior…I mean, you NEVER insult me on here. In fact, you never do, you always address the points that people make, rather than resorting to childish playground insults.

          Oh wait, nm…

        • MisterPine

          Is everyone who disagrees with you ALWAYS an “atheistic LGBT agenda pushing troll”? Funny, they must be ABSOLUTELY EVERYWHERE!

        • MisterPine

          Hi Rumpy, I was just wondering if you can get through a sentence without hurling the words “atheistic”, “LGBT”, “agenda” and/or “troll”. You must know by now that your opponents are so many more things than just those!

      • Oboehner

        The admittance it is a choice.

      • Chrissy Vee

        I guess for the same reason you are butting into his comment, and i am butting into yours.

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        Nice “tolerance.” 🙂 Oh yes, I remember: your version of “tolerance” is only reserved for people you agree with.

        300 reasons that the Gay “Rights” Movement is more KKK than MLK:

        http://barbwire .com/2014/07/07/300-examples-read-understand-meant-term-homofascism/ (Just take the space out before the dot.)

    • LeftCoast

      Wow, I will pray for you my friend. This was touching. I pray that God uses you to testify and minister to the lost. Blessings!

    • Chrissy Vee

      Praise Jesus! o/ ♥

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Beautifully put! Thank you for your testimony and may God continue to bless you in your life!

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      And thank you for your courage in posting this.

  • Kathryn Evans

    “Homophobia ” is a made-up word….we are being railroaded…

    • Bobby Mae

      Right.. Smashing someone in the head with a chair for being gay is what?

      • cornerstonechwk

        //Smashing someone in the head with a chair for being gay is what?//
        Anti-Christian! Christians should be loving them enough to warn them of the penalty of their sin and urge them to repent and embrace the Saviour.

        • Bobby Mae

          Yeah, because obviously everyone chooses to be attracted to the same gender and no gay person knows that many Christians think they’re going to hell…

          • cornerstonechwk

            //Yeah, because obviously everyone chooses to be attracted to the same gender// First of all I don’t! Secondly some are attracted to children. Is that ok?
            And yes, God does say homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom. But it is also clear that liars, thieves, adulterers, blasphemers etc, will also not inherit the kingdom. Homosexuality is not the only sin.
            If you want to get to heaven you must be perfect! But none of us is perfect, and that’s why we need the perfect righteousness of Jesus applied to our accounts through faith in Him. I urge you to repent!

          • Bobby Mae

            I’m not in the mood today to have the same conversation for the 1000th time, but I will say that two consensual adults in a relationship is not the same as an innocent child being victimized by an adult. How dare you.

          • cornerstonechwk

            But what if they are attracted? Can they help it? Same thing. Homosexuality is a sin also and the person involved in it actually knows it!

          • Bobby Mae

            But that’s their right to do it. this country is not required to follow the rules of the bible.

          • cornerstonechwk

            All people are required to obey Gods law perfectly! None of us has or can due to indwelling sin. Thus the need for a saviour.
            So when it becomes peoples right to abuse children in this country, will it be ok? Same as abortion. It’s legal but murder none the less, and it will all be accounted for on judgement day.

          • Bobby Mae

            So you believe we should live in a theocracy? And why are you talking about abusing children? Who is supporting that?

          • cornerstonechwk

            //So you believe we should live in a theocracy// No. I’m saying you should repent and obey the gospel.
            The part about abusing children was in reference to same sex/or child attraction. I’m simply saying according to your logic as long as something is legal (or as you put it their right to do) it must be ok. So by that logic, if pedophilia became legal it would then be morally ok.
            Gods law must be obeyed from the heart! Those who are spiritually dead are unable to do that.

          • Bobby Mae

            Along with your pedophilia correlation, comparing 2 consensual adults living under the same roof is not the same as abuse. But it’s clear this conversation is going in circles. Adios

          • cornerstonechwk

            But both are sins against God none the less.

          • amostpolitedebate

            You’re being willfully dense and it’s getting tiresome. One of those two things is a consensual matter between adults that doesn’t harm anyone. Christians could easily ignore gay people entirely and their lives would be almost completely unaffected but you don’t because Christians feel this weird need to attack anything they perceive as an “enemy”.

          • cornerstonechwk

            The gay agenda is to destroy the family unit designed by God. Confronting sin is something we must do.

          • amostpolitedebate

            The “gay agenda” is to be able to lead normal lives in peace without the fear of being murdered on our front doorstep by weirdos who think they’re doing the lord’s work.

          • cornerstonechwk

            And now you think Christians want to murder you? Wow! What are you smoking?

          • amostpolitedebate

            All of them? Of course not. A certain select few? Absolutely.

          • cornerstonechwk

            Then I would venture to say that they are not Christians. Calling ones self a Christian does not make you one. Salvation is a supernatural work of God, that produces good fruit.

          • amostpolitedebate

            notruescotsman.txt

          • cornerstonechwk

            That would be true if Gods word didn’t support it. Seeing that you reject Gods word, I would like to know how you know anything to be true? Tell me one thing you know to be true and how you are able to know it.

          • amostpolitedebate

            “The only thing I know for certain is that I know nothing” -Socrates

          • cornerstonechwk

            You do understand that your statement is self refuting nonsense right? Then you have been refuted! Conversations require knowledge. You have just demonstrated what it takes to deny the God we all know.

          • amostpolitedebate

            You fundamentally misunderstand the meaning of that quote. Socrates was considered the “most wise” for a reason.

          • cornerstonechwk

            So you feel that to say you KNOW that you KNOW NOTHING is wise? Please explain to me how you know that?

          • Bobby Mae

            You say that all sin is the same, so tell me that lying and murder is the same?

          • cornerstonechwk

            Finally an honest question. I never said all sin was the same. I merely pointed out that you have to appeal to a standard in order to know that one sin is worse than another. All sin will land you in hell, but there will be degrees of punishment. One lie is an infinite crime against an infinitely holy and just God ,making the punishment infinite.

          • amostpolitedebate

            By the way, that front doorstep thing I said was something that actually happened. There have been gay people literally murdered in their front yards by members of the Christian community simply for being gay. You may laugh but violence is a very real possibility gay people have to live with every day.

          • cornerstonechwk

            First of all, they were never Christians to begin with who would do that. Secondly I can point you to Foxes book of martyrs to show you how many tens of millions of Christians have been murdered for being Christians.

          • amostpolitedebate

            They went to service on Sundays, they called themselves Christians, and they got their ideas about gay people from the various leaders within the church. Your faith (as an organization, not a philosophy) is creating the violence people like me have to live with everyday. You not wanting to be associated with them doesn’t change anything.

          • cornerstonechwk

            // from the various leaders within the church.// Who do not get it from Gods word. We are to love our enemies, and do good to those who hate us! I can’t help there being hypocrites within the professed church. If it’s any consolation , they will be sore afraid come judgement day, when they are exposed to have been false believers. Jesus said many will say to me on that day, Lord, Lord, and He will say to them depart from me, you who practice lawlessness. It will be a fearful day for anyone who has not been born again.

          • amostpolitedebate

            Wanting to form family units = destroying the family unit. Got it.

          • cornerstonechwk

            What you are promoting is a vile perversion of the family unit and you know it! You need to repent!

          • amostpolitedebate

            You say that as if it’s self evident. How exactly does a gay couple getting married affect a Christian’s ability to form marriages on their own terms?

          • cornerstonechwk

            First of all a gay couple cannot get married as it is God who defines marriage. The family unit Mom, Dad, and kids is the fabric of society. Once this is destroyed as is Satans plan, a nation decays from within. It has happened before.

          • amostpolitedebate

            If God is what defines marriage am I then safe in assuming you advocate banning non-virgins from getting married? Do you support banning divorce?

            How exactly does gay marriage cause the nation to decay anyways? It seems to me that a post gay marriage world would look exactly like it does now only with some people having two moms.

          • cornerstonechwk

            //If God is what defines marriage am I then safe in assuming you advocate banning non-virgins from getting married? Do you support banning divorce?// Not sure why you would say this? The bible doesn’t say it, so I will have to assume the only parts you have read are the ones that you can twist into an argument against the God you know exists.
            // How exactly does gay marriage cause the nation to decay anyways?// First of all,like I said there is no such thing as gay marriage, as God defines marriage and not sinful man.
            Sexual perversion itself is moral decay, as it is against Gods design. Mommy and Daddy both play a crucial role in the life of a child. The family unit is actually patterned after the triune God of scripture. You could never understand this rightly in your unregenerate condition so I urge you to repent.

          • amostpolitedebate

            1) It’s not out of context. God is very clear on the matter of Divorce and sex before marriage. You just don’t like these rules so you ignore them.

            2) Icky sex is bad because icky sex is bad. Therefore society will fall apart at the seems. Gotcha.

            3) No I won’t be repenting. I’ve had far too many friends hurt by members of your religion to ever want to willingly associate with it. But thank you for the offer.

          • cornerstonechwk

            Yes He is clear on sex before marriage ,but what has that to do with your questions? //banning non-virgins from getting married?//

          • Bobby Mae

            Should they be able to get married if they aren’t virgins and dont repent?

          • cornerstonechwk

            Of course! I have seen plenty of people repent and then marry the person they were previously fornicating with. With Christs forgiveness restoration is possible at all levels.

          • Bobby Mae

            I said if they dont repent (before the marriage)

          • cornerstonechwk

            What do you mean by should they be able? God allows a lot of things by His common grace. He even allows you another day to repent in spite of your rebellion. Getting married is good, even outside of faith in Christ as a common grace. It however provides no merit. In other words God does not accept sinners on the basis of their attempts to be moral. Because before God grants repentance we are all by nature children of wrath. That means you are naturally at war with Him unless and until he grants you the ability to repent.

          • amostpolitedebate

            Let’s focus on divorce since that’s clearer. If that’s Biblical law then in theory you should find a large contingent of Christians publicly pushing to ban it. Yet you never do. Why is that?

            My theory is twofold:

            1) Christians like being able to divorce from bad spouses. So there is a bias towards ignoring those laws.

            2) Divorcees aren’t perceived as a terrifying amorphous liberal “other” that can be publicly attacked to score points in church.

            Either way, I find Christian claims that they have to be huge dicks to gay people because “God said so, you know?” to be questionable at best. They leave divorcees alone all the time, so I see no reason that they can’t extend that civility to gay people.

          • cornerstonechwk

            // If that’s Biblical law// Where are you getting this from? You are only demonstrating what is most often the case. That you have not read the bible, other than to try and find material to attack the God you know. The bible doesn’t even forbid divorce! Please take 5 minutes out of your busy schedule to at least google the subject.

          • amostpolitedebate

            “Whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery”

            (Matthew 5:32, 19:9 & Luke 16:18).

          • cornerstonechwk

            Not surprised you would leave out the rest of the verse.

            Mat 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.
            So you are not even talking about non virgins marrying, but what constitutes adultery. Why didn’t you say that?
            Jesus was expounding the Law in Matt.5:-7 and in this particular context was exposing the religious leaders for their abuse of it. They felt because Moses allowed a letter of divorce that they could divorce and re-marry for the most ridiculous reasons. If a Pharisee wanted to divorce his wife because the woman down the street looked better to him, he could divorce her at the drop of a hat, for say, putting too much salt on his food, or over cooking it.

            The whole purpose of the sermon on the mount (Matt.5-7 was to demonstrate the impossibility of attaining right standing with God through law observance. For example, Jesus said whoever looks upon a woman to lust for her has comitted adultery with her in his heart. He was exposing the problem to be one of the heart! Man needs a new heart!

          • Bobby Mae

            And actually, you’re wrong when you say all are required to obey God’s law. That’s not even biblical. Remember that thing called free will?

          • cornerstonechwk

            Gods word says you shall be holy as I am holy! Jesus said you shall be perfect as your Father in heaven is perfect. To be perfect is to conform to His moral law, which is based upon His unchanging character and nature.If you are found to be imperfect on judgement day, and thus a law breaker (criminal) you will be required to pay for your sins yourself, which is eternity in hell. Jesus absorbed the wrath of God directed against all who would ever repent and trust in Him. And concerning free will. Man is only free to act within the confines of his fallen nature. As one dead in sin, all you can ever do is sin. You need to be made alive!

          • Bobby Mae

            People like you are scary. It’s even scarier that I’m sure you dont see any parallels between yourself and those trying to implement shariah law

          • cornerstonechwk

            //I’m sure you dont see any parallels between yourself and those trying to implement shariah law// So you don’t see the difference between me caring for you enough to warn you of coming judgement, and those who want force you to convert at the threat of beheading? Interesting.

          • amostpolitedebate

            Some biblical laws Christians don’t like to obey:

            -Eating shellfish
            -Getting tattoos
            -Wearing pants (women only)
            -Divorce
            -Forcing women to marry their rapists
            -Generally treating women as property
            -Lending money to fellow Christians
            -Treating greed like a bad thing
            -Murdering people with rocks as a punishment for just about everything
            -Allowing people with damaged genitalia into church
            -Allowing children of unwed parents into church
            -Wearing mixed fabrics
            -Caring about the poor

            Also, if God put these laws out there knowing nobody could adhere to them all that’s pretty F’ed up.

          • amostpolitedebate

            We make non-religious moral decisions all the time. For example, we decided slavery was wrong even though it was A-OK in the bible.

          • cornerstonechwk

            Once again, from where do you get morality without God?

          • amostpolitedebate

            Morality isn’t something that exists in a book or in the aether. We all live together as a shared society and in doing so find that certain behaviors have unpleasant consequences for the larger group. We label these sorts of acts “evil” or “bad” while ascribing acts with positive outcomes as “good”. This is useful because doing so allows us to define rules and codes of conduct to make life easier for everyone. However the key thing here is that we as people are defining these things, rather than them being “discovered” or handed down from on-high.

            That’s where I get my morality from anyway.

          • cornerstonechwk

            So morality is by consensus? An arbitrary opinion? So if the majority says placing Jews in ovens is morally right it is morally right? Who says making life easier is the moral thing to do?

            Some people believe murder is fun and good. Are they wrong and who says so?

          • amostpolitedebate

            Sort of? Morality is a set of values and rules that we invent and these can vary wildly between individuals or cultures. What’s “good” for one particular person (stealing to survive) may not be “good” for another (the store owner stolen from) and may be detrimental to the larger whole (frequent thefts make businesses hard to run). As a result morality becomes a sort of group project whether we want it to be or not.

            Yes, this makes deciding right from wrong a long and complicated process with no easy answers and the occasional disastrous detour. However if you take making these rules seriously you can often find compromises that work out well for everyone (banning theft while providing jobs and outreach to the poor so they don’t need to steal).

          • cornerstonechwk

            Ok. So you don’t believe in (absolute) morality. As it is based upon arbitrary opinions. So if there were a person or group (culture) that believes raping babies for fun is morally good, then you can’t say it is absolutely wrong? So in your worldview raping babies for fun is not absolutely wrong? Please answer for all to behold. In your worldview murder is wrong is along the same lines as my favourite color is blue.

          • cornerstonechwk

            Who is to say that being detrimental to the larger whole is morally right or wrong? What if a person thinks it’s just fun to steal? Are they wrong?

          • amostpolitedebate

            That’s one of those questions that doesn’t actually have an answer to it. What would such an answer even look like? “God said so”? Why does he get to tell me what to do? Because he’s powerful? Is stealing then only wrong because someone powerful said it was so? What if we discover that Vishnu is somehow more powerful than the Christian God? Are we obligated then to do whatever he says instead?

            We have to decide for ourselves what we value, what were willing to do to uphold those values, and what we’re willing to compromise for the greater whole so that we can all coexist. It’s not sexy or easy but it’s quite literally the only way to do it.

          • cornerstonechwk

            //Why does he get to tell me what to do? Because he’s powerful?// Morality only makes sense if there is an absolute standard given by one who has authority over everyone.
            Lying, stealing, adultery, murder and all other sins are not wrong merely because God carries the biggest stick, but because these laws are based upon His unchanging character and nature. Lying is wrong because God cannot lie, stealing is wrong because God is not a thief, adultery is wrong because God is perfectly faithful. Mankind as His image bearers are hard wired to know this as He has written His moral law upon our hearts, so that we are without excuse. That’s why you are inconsistent. You might try and deny His existent but you must live in His universe. Same as laws of logic, induction, basic reliability of senses and reasoning, these preconditions of intelligibility cannot be accounted for apart from the biblical Christian worldview. That’s why you must rely upon God even for your ability to deny Him.

          • amostpolitedebate

            Your reasoning is circular. “God is good because God is good”. It’s a logic game that plays with definitions in order to justify faith in a particular worldview without having to back it up. Let’s say that I can look out my window and see God chilling out on a cloud. Why should I accept your circular reasoning that his very nature is “good”? He’s certainly displayed a lot of traditionally “evil” behavior in the past. Should I take his word on it because he says so. Since he’s not talking much how do I know if my choices reflect his will? Will I feel it? My heart tells me that gay people are fine. Therefore by that logic it is you and the writers of the bible who have misunderstood his intent.

            And all that assumes that God exists in the first place, which I highly doubt.

          • cornerstonechwk

            Where do you get logic in your worldview that denies circularity? How does one defend his or her ultimate standard without appealing to that standard? Tell me, how do you know your reasoning about anything is actually valid? Do you reason that your reasoning is valid?

          • cornerstonechwk

            //It’s a logic game that plays with definitions in order to justify faith in a particular worldview without having to back it up.// Not at all. The proof that God exists is that without Him you couldn’t know or prove anything.

          • uzza

            Embrace the savior, maybe grope him a little, slip him some tongue . . . yeah, be loving, that’s what I’m talking about!

    • amostpolitedebate

      Matthew Shepard, a gay kid who was beaten, tortured, and left to die tied to a fence says you’re wrong.

    • Nox

      it’s in the dictionary

  • Andrea Gilkey

    THE MORAL DECLINE IS OUR LEADERSHIPS FAULT HE SHOULD SET A GOOD EXAMPLE .WE HAVE KICKED GOD OUT OF EVERYTHING

    • amostpolitedebate

      Why did you type this in all-caps?

      • Andrea Gilkey

        trouble with caps key other thanthat none of your business

    • weasel1886

      So do will kill them like the Bible says?

  • Fergie

    Oh another birth control method?

  • FoJC_Forever

    Obama is the worst POTUS we have ever had in America. He celebrates sexual perversion and infanticide. If he could get away with it, I think he would criminalize all speech in opposition to homosexuality and abortion.

    Judgement is coming.

    • Richard

      Those who have been given great power and influence will be more harshly judged.

      • Bobby Mae

        You have a bible verse for that?

    • amostpolitedebate

      Really?

      Worse than Nixon? Worse than GWB? Worse than Hoover? Worse than HARDING!?

      • FoJC_Forever

        Yes.

  • Valerie James

    Crazy thinking…

  • davidrayt

    Dear Mr. President,
    I do not have a disease. I am not mentally ill. I do not have homophobia or transphobia which are not diseases in the first place. There is no such thing. I am a Christian and believe in what my God says. Evidently you are not and do not. That is not my problem. It is entirely yours and those who practice these wicked things.

    • Bobby Mae

      You can believe in God while letting other people live their own lives you know…

      • cornerstonechwk

        No we can’t! We are commanded to warn sinners and point them to the Saviour.

    • weasel1886

      So we should kill them like the Bible says?

  • http://textsincontext.wordpress.com Michael Snow

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    Tiresias: To err is common
    To all
    men, but the man who having erred
    Hugs not his errors, but repents
    and seeks
    The cure, is not a wastrel nor unwise.
    No fool, the
    saw goes, like the obstinate fool.

    Creon: Is that your counsel? You
    would have me yield?

    Chorus: Yea, king, this instant.
    Vengeance of the gods
    Is swift to overtake the impenitent.

  • Jim

    How about an “anti-Christian persecution” day?

    • Paul Hiett

      There isn’t a Christian in America that knows what persecution is.

  • sammy13

    Never heard of such a day, other than Sunday.

  • WorldGoneCrazy

    We need a Freedom from Homofascism Day:

    300 Reasons that the Gay Rights Movement is more KKK than MLK:
    http://barbwire .com/2014/07/07/300-examples-read-understand-meant-term-homofascism/ (Take the space out before the dot.)

    Speak out against the Gaystapo (but watch your backs, because the “tolerant” ones like to make death threats):
    https://www .facebook .com/GayActivistsarehypocrites/timeline?ref=page_internal

    Even an a-theist who supports SSM says the homofascists have gone too far: https://winteryknight .wordpress .com/2015/05/16/frank-turek-and-michael-shermer-defend-their-debate-to-gay-activists/#comments

    Excerpt: “It’s not often that an atheist and a Christian, who have just had a debate on campus, can be brought into agreement by a group in the audience. But the Graduate Queer Alliance (GQA) at Stony Brook University has managed to do that. Their letter to the editor on April 30 was so full of false assertions and totalitarian demands that we, Dr. Michael Shermer (an atheist) and Dr. Frank Turek (a Christian), felt compelled to write this letter together in response.

    The central assertion of the GQA is that anyone who expresses a negative opinion of same sex marriage or homosexual behavior is guilty of “hate speech” and should be barred from speaking at Stony Brook University. The GQA says this while also claiming to believe “that a university should provide an open forum for controversial ideas to be discussed and debated.” We both wonder how the GQA can hold these two contradictory opinions at the same time. After all, they say they are for the debate of controversial issues, but apparently only if both debaters hold the same position and that position agrees with the GQA. Some debate!

    How is disagreement over controversial moral and political issues “hate speech?” If it is then GQA’s position is “hate speech” because it disagrees with people who believe marriage should be defined in other ways. Calling people names or characterizing their arguments as “hate speech” is not good public discourse designed to discover the truth; it is bullying—the very thing GQA should be against.”

    • MisterPine

      There is no such thing as homofascism. It is an invention of the Religious Right.

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        Except for the 300 cases in evidence, you are correct. And even an SSM-supportive a-theist (above) agrees that homofascism and the Gaystapo are for real.

        • MisterPine

          300 cases, eh? That insane opinion piece you posted before? Also, who is this “a-theist” (I think you’ll find that the word you’re looking for is ATHEIST) you are referring to?

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        It’s my understanding that the Gestapo thought they were the “good” guys too. 🙂

        • MisterPine

          The Gestapo? A far right organization, you should be right at home with them.

        • weasel1886

          They were also Christians

          • ter ber

            Not so. Hitler and his SS officers were into the thule society and satanism. Now I will give you most of the German people (the sheeple) named themselves Christians and allowed that to happen. Hmmm, where have I seen that before? After we allowed Russia to invade Germany after Hitlers defeat, the atheist Russian soldiers raped over 100,000 German women. Plenty of demonic activity to go around folks.

          • weasel1886

            Hitler used Christ and Martin Luther to justify his ideas. Read Luther and his thoughts on Jews and see how it led right into Hitlers hands. Yes he manipulated Christian faith but so have many others. We certainly did in our own country.
            Russia turned on the church and Czar because they were used to enslave people. The “whole divine right of kings” and “Manifest destiny” idea has caused untold war and misery on people.
            The less government and faith are connected the better in my book. They will corrupt each other cause nothing but problems.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “Not many Germans lost much sleep over the arrests of a
            few thousand pastors and priests… the Nazi regime intended to eventually destroy Christianity in Germany…As Bormann…said publicly in 1941, ‘National Socialism and Christianity are irreconcilable.’… 13. The National Church
            demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible in Germany…18. The National Church will clear away from its altars all crucifixes, Bibles, and pictures of saints. 19. On the altars there must be nothing but
            Mein Kampf…the Christian Cross must be removed from all churches, cathedrals, and chapels…and it must be superseded by the only unconquerable symbol, the swastika.” The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, p. 240.

            Some Christians! Perhaps you meant to say that they were Darwinists?

            “The Darwinian underpinnings of Nazi racial ideology are patently obvious. Hitler’s chapter on “Nation and Race” in Mein Kampf discusses the racial struggle for existence in clear Darwinian terms.” — Richard Weikart, Historian, Cal. State, Stan.

          • weasel1886

            So where does Luther come in he is mentioned more times than Darwin in Mein Kampf

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            That is actually a great question! Without a doubt, there was an attempt by Hitler to draw in as many worldviews as he could prior to his coming to power, and the connection between Luther and anti-Semitism, while overplayed, was part of that. In fact, this Lutheran anti-Semitism hypothesis was apparently a product of the reading of the book I quoted above, Rise and Fall. It’s quite fascinating to me that if you look at what Hitler said about being Christian versus his actions, you will see that prior to his first success in the elections, before he had done a lot of physical damage, Hitler talked a lot like he was a Christian – in some loose sense of the word. But, even then, his theology was really messed up.

            Then, after he gained power, his words and actions were both consistently anti-Christian. If you look at the quote above, that much is clear. Now, I must ask you, is there any recent president of the United States who made a big deal about being a Christian, yet, once elected, adopted anti-Christian positions to the extreme and even performed several dozen (soft) persecutions on the religious freedoms of Christian (and Catholic) churches? 🙂

            So, yes, he did indeed mention Luther a good deal – as Luther was greatly admired by the masses and that would be a boon for him at the voting booth, but there seems to be little doubt that his philosophy of “struggle” was at least largely based on an acceleration of macro-evolution. And, there is no question that his policies and even most of his “Christian” quotes were anti-Christian in the extreme. Great question, Weasel, and God bless you!

          • weasel1886

            Thanks. I will write more later

  • http://www.google.com/ Jan van Niekerk

    “We take this opportunity to reaffirm that [immorality is a good and perfect thing]” he stated.

    • Paul Hiett

      Only to hateful, spiteful, intolerant bigots like you.

      • http://www.google.com/ Jan van Niekerk

        As the words, so is the speaker.

  • Chrissy Vee

    “…declaring his intent to continue to push for acceptance of the lifestyles in the United States and beyond…”
    Meaning… “To push, shove, fine, jail, harrass… and commence hatred toward those who refuse to accept.”

    “…to celebrate the dignity of every person, and to underscore that all
    people deserve to live free from fear, violence, and discrimination,
    regardless of who they are or whom they love,” he stated….”
    He forgot to add, “except evangelical Christians who love God or anybody else who doesn’t think or believe the way we do.”

    • Paul Hiett

      That’s hilarious. You’re actually upset because legally you can’t treat those people like the third class citizens you claim them to be. I love seeing such hypocrisy anytime you folks talk about gay people and the hardships you face when you’re not allowed to actually persecute them the way you want.

      • Chrissy Vee

        A hypocrite calling people hypocrites. How very hypocritical. Oh and um, did I claim someone to be a third class citizen? And is there someone I want to persecute? What is hilarious is that you think you know me. But that’s your goal, isn’t it? Come on, admit it. You love us Christians. Why else would you hang around us so much? Sigh…♥

    • amostpolitedebate

      Not at all. The same laws that protect gay people also protect Christians.

      • Chrissy Vee

        If you read the headlines, God, Jesus, Christians are being pushed out and discriminated against every day. Our own president mocks Christianity. But the truth is, God predicted this as well as many other things happening here and around the world, in the Bible. So we are not surprised. The problem isn’t in what we believe, it is in the disdain toward us for believing.

        • weasel1886

          Show me how the president has mocked anyone’s faith .

          • Chrissy Vee

            I will. I just have to find it but I will get back to you. 🙂

          • Chrissy Vee

            I tried to post a video and 11 hours later it is still “pending”. If you go to YouTube and type in Obama or President mocks Christianity, you will find it.

          • weasel1886

            I would perfer to have your thoughts. You tube videos can be made by anyone and should not be entirely used to form opinions.
            An honest opinion will get very respectful responses from me

          • Chrissy Vee

            Dig, but you asked for proof. My opinion is not proof. Actual footage of him mocking Christianity is pretty solid.

          • weasel1886

            I will check on it

          • weasel1886

            Just someone elses opinion. I want your opinion and reasons why

  • Brenda Golden

    So another attempt by the liberal agenda to tell everyone how to feel. Why is it that anyone who does not agree is phobic? Phobia is an irrational fear, what most feel is disgust. I haven’t made any judgement here as God has made the judgement I just agree with it. As for those terrible christians, I haven’t heard of any homosexual being thrown from a tall building by christians, or christians waiting in the street to finish the job. This is just another attack on christians by those who have to have someone else to blame for their shortcomings. To be honest most people could care less that queers play hide their pickle in another mans butt, some guy likes dressing up like a girl so he can feel pretty, or two women munch each others rug. People just don’t want it pushed off on them. Better to loose earthly pleasure than loose your soul. There will be those who sent nasty replies so you need to know up front that I don’t read responses, that way you can feel like you won.

    • weasel1886

      So in others words you don’t listen to others and don’t care about them or their ideas.
      A closed mind is an ignorant mind so I guess you are just ignorant

      • Josey

        No, actually and I am going by my interpretation of what Brenda stated and I gathered what she meant by not responding that she means she has her conviction and that is she agrees with God’s Holy Word on the matter and she doesn’t care what anyone who disagrees with her says in response. Kudos to her! If having Godly convictions is considered being close minded, I say woo hoo, count me in that group.

        • weasel1886

          I don’t even know what her faith is. Her writing suggest she is anything but a Christian

  • Gabriel A. King

    So if we don’t love evil we are “phobic” ? LOL. Obama is the devil and he can go to Hell.