‘Everybody Cried’: Five-Year-Old Feeds, Prays With Homeless Man at Alabama Waffle House

 

JosiahPRATTVILLE, Ala. — A five-year-old boy from Alabama is making headlines after he moved patrons at a waffle house to tears while feeding and praying with a homeless man inside of the restaurant.

Ava Faulk of Prattville told local television station WSFA that she and her son Josiah visited the waffle house a few weeks ago, and saw a homeless man outside of the building.

“We saw a man who was dirty holding a bag with his bike outside,” she recalled.

Her son began to ask her questions about the man and why he looked the way he did.

“He’s homeless,” Faulk explained.

“What does that mean?” the boy asked.

“Well, that means he doesn’t have a home,” Faulk responded.

Josiah then told his mother that she should buy him something to eat. So, the two offered to purchase the man a meal.

Josiah II“He came in and sat down, and nobody really waited on him,” Faulk recalled. “So Josiah jumped up and asked him if he needed a menu because you can’t order without one.”

After the man ordered his food, Josiah insisted that he pray a blessing over the man’s meal. So, the two bowed their heads and gave thanks.

“God our Father, we thank you for our many blessings. Amen,” Josiah prayed in song, as eleven other customers looked on at his kind gesture.

“The man cried. I cried. Everybody cried,” Faulk recalled.

She captured the touching moment on camera. The man ate his meal and went on his way.

“Watching my son touch the 11 people in that Waffle House tonight will be forever one of the greatest accomplishments as a parent I’ll ever get to witness,” she told reporters.

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  • pastoredsmith

    Hello Paul. I see the atheist is at it again. Are you assigned to this website? Is this a hired position for you? You certainly spend a LOT of time here.
    And, as usual, you spout lies and innuendo that simply are nothing but your own hatred for God showing through. Yes, you really do believe in God or else you wouldn’t spend so much time fighting Him…..it is God you fight, not His people, in spite of your claim otherwise. You know this to be true.
    As for oppression, it is ATHEISTS who are doing the oppressing. Trying to FORCE your agenda down everybody’s throats by lawsuits, pressuring governments to bow to your stinky demands and attempting to force businesses to eliminate God from their business operations. It is ATHEISTS who get on websites like this and tout your idiocy.
    But, I suppose we should expect nothing less from an atheist such as yourself. The fact is that you have no basis for morality. Nothing solid upon which to base your definition of right and wrong upon except the musings of your little, angry and befuddled minds. Even then, no two of you can agree on anything moral, so you just make it up as you go. Give us a break, atheist. Stop your oppression of Christian websites and spend your time on your own atheist websites instead if you refuse to turn to Christ. God knows I’ve asked and even nearly begged you to reconsider many times in the past and you always mock me…..and here you are yet again.
    Give up your hatred for God, Paul! It is destroying what’s left of your life of misery without Christ.

    • Paul Hiett

      Forcing their agenda by wanting to be treated equal? That’s how homosexuasl are “oppressing” Christians?

      ROFL…sure pal, you go on claiming that you’re “persecuted” and “oppressed” and see how much sympathy you garner.

      • pastoredsmith

        Equal, atheist? You know very well that is not the agenda here! The agenda is that they be “universally accepted as normal” in their deviant activities of homosexuality. The goal of atheists and homosexuals has merged…..silence Christians.
        I’m not interested in sympathy, atheist. I’m interested in Freedom.

        • Paul Hiett

          Yes, “equal”…they want to be accepted as normal, which they are. You put yourself up on your pedestal and wave your Bible around as though you think your choice of a religion should be used to rule everyone else.

          Too bad the laws of this country don’t support your theocracy. 😉

          • pastoredsmith

            “normal,” atheist? There is nothing normal about an activity that God Himself condemns. God created man and woman for each other. Not man for man and woman for woman. God created GENDER based on standard equipment that comes as a result of DNA designs that God Himself put together.
            Homosexuality is not something a person “cannot help.” There is not one single shred of credible evidence that to be true because it is a lie.
            I’m not interested in theocracy. I’m interested in Freedom, a thing that you apparently hate almost as much as you hate God. You wish to remove Freedoms, atheist? If the government strips the freedom of religion, your false religion of atheism will likewise go up in smoke.

          • Paul Hiett

            Since I don’t believe in your choice of a deity, your claims are entirely worthless and without merit. You act like you know god exists and all other religions are made up. That’s so cute.

          • MisterPine

            “Homosexuality is not something a person “cannot help.”

            Well, you need to read more science and less fairy tales, then.

          • pastoredsmith

            I despise fairy tales, especially those man-made ones that defy science. True science is taking discoveries at face value and not manipulating them. Much of today’s “science” is trying to prove an agenda or man-made theory by skewing the facts as they are discovered.
            You really should read some of the human sexuality studies made by homosexuals. You would discover something startling that many in the homosexual “normalcy” movement would love to bury. These studies, by the admission of homosexuals themselves, demonstrate clearly that nobody is “born gay.” It is a choice, often manipulated by society or by a homosexual activist, but it is ultimately the choice of the person who becomes a homosexual.

          • MisterPine

            I have to laugh any time one of you uses the phrase “man-made” to denigrate something when your entire holy book is as man-made as it gets.

            If you want to cite a study I should read, fine, but I won’t read “facts” that come from Chick Publications or any other bigot organization. I will listen to the APA or any of its contemporaries. Not some bigot who tells me that it’s something people choose – as if anyone would WANT to choose it, given how they are treated by people like yourself.

          • pastoredsmith

            Laugh when I use “man-made” to denigrate something when your entire holy book….
            Really? Are you an atheist fighting for homosexual rights? One or both? If you don’t believe in God, you become a fool just as they are (Psalms 14:1). I am amazed how atheists all of a sudden have become pro “gay rights” supporters. But, that should be a nice fit since there is no basis for morals in atheism, and homosexuals are trying to escape the true morals that God gave to man and can’t find another way to do it. Yeah, I’d bet atheists use that one to swindle many homosexuals to their way of thinking and to hating God and His people.
            Malign me? One of the Atheist talking points. I don’t remember which one…..”hurl insults…” Maybe Paul Hiett (on this thread can tell you the number). Chick Publications? And, who is the “APA”? Never heard of them.
            Some bigot who tells you that it’s something people choose? Call me a bigot, eh? Buddy, you wouldn’t know a bigot from the nose on your face. Bigots hate people. Christians love people but hate the sin that destroys their lives. But, you know that already.
            Next question from the preacher. How many atheists does it take to debate one preacher of God’s Word? There are apparently two here now.

          • MisterPine

            There is nothing immoral about falling in love.

            That’s all homosexuals have done, and you have elected to believe that all homosexuals are lying to you about it. Why they would choose to do that is anyone’s guess, but of course you know best, even though you’ve never talked at any great length with homosexuals so you can hear for yourself that they didn’t choose their attractions.

            Chick Publications is a Christian hate group.

            The APA is the American Psychological Association.

          • Marge

            face palm. You seriously didn’t just say that. it is a false love. People love their dogs, love their cats, I love my children. There is right love and wrong love and then there’s false love, infatuation, desire. homosexual love is wrong it’s misguided and dysfunctional in every sense. They are obviously missing that barrier that keeps you from loving in the wrong way. Pedophiles love their little children and I hope we can all agree that is a wrong kind of love and dsyfunctional, but they are “born” that way as well. They can not help themselves either, their obsession/compulsion. Same with homosexuality. My friend if you are a homosexual, the best thing you can do for yourself is to come to terms with your affliction,it’s the only way. Just like an addict, you must, it’s imperative, that you ackknowledge your addiction, illness, sin what have you. Once you face it, then you can work on teh steps of overcoming it. Sadly, unlikde addict you will most likely never be free of it, it is the cross that you must bare. Also, just like addicts, you cant’ do it alone, that is why you need GOD/ Jesus more than anything to help you through this and programs. That is why those therapy programs must remain open and not closed. Open your eyes to what the lgbt are doing to the lgbt community. They are lying to you. They are the devil at work, telling you what you want to hear, appeasing you, telling you to ignore God’s commands, just as he did to Adam and Eve. Dont’ let it be with you, if this is your affliction. If it is not, still open your eyes, so that you don’t lead them away eiter. YOu do not want to be the one responsible for the destruction of their well being, their soul even. Jesus warns us as much. We are responsible for each other. WE are each other’s brother’s keeper. We arent’ to judge them, but we are to tell them what it right and wrong and lead them away from the darkness and guide them to him the truth and the light. wish you well.

          • MisterPine

            Are you for real? What planet do you live on? Are you the slightest bit aware that everything you said, and I mean EVERYTHING, flies in the face of mental health organizations and science? Not only that, but who are you to tell someone else whether the love they’re feeling for another human being is the correct kind? Don’t you know that homosexuals feel the same exact love and desire and everything else that heterosexuals feel? Who fed you all this garbage anyway? I’m guessing it had to be a fundamentalist Christian pastor, because no one else could have gotten everything so hopelessly wrong.

            And pedophiles! Are you serious? You’re comparing a fully consensual adult relationship to the abuse of a child? And you expect me to take you seriously?

          • LadyFreeBird<God'sNotDead

            I argree with what you have said.

          • ozmliad pilgrim

            the APA who have changed the Merck Manuel from saying homosexuality is a mental illness to saying it is natural …
            which “science falsely called” you talking about?
            science disagrees with itself, and don’t get me started on that sexual offender Kinsey you wont like it …

          • StereoMan

            Back in the 1970s when they had old and outdated data, yes, it was listed as a mental illness. That got changed after they made more discoveries. Why is this a surprise to you?

          • pastoredsmith

            MisterPine, I must admit, after rereading your posts and such, you indeed sound a whole lot like a very close relative of mine. He calls himself an agnostic like you. He grew up a Christian, accepted Christ, dreamed of flying missionary airplanes in a third world country so the Word of God could go to the whole world, was baptized by me (twice – long story) and then began to turn away from the things he had learned and accepted during his childhood. A “friend” of his convinced him of a lot of things that eventually made him question his upbringing and to doubt that God existed. The military finished that off for him, as now he equates Islam and Christianity as what he calls “the same religion.” Yes, MisterPine, you sound just like him. I’d go as far as to ask, are you him? He will know who I refer to if so. If not, apologies. But, you do spout the same nonsense he does.
            I don’t know what happened to lead you down the agnostic path. I don’t know if you were hurt or had some unanswered questions that nobody could seem to give you satisfactory answers to as did my relative I mentioned. He once asked me, “why is God such a moron?” I asked him to explain and he said, “why would God create such a perfect world, let man screw it up, call a guy like me to preach, fix it and not give me the ability to do it?” It was a valid question. Truthfully, I didn’t know the answer, although I tried. I know the answer now. The fact is that God never called anyone to fix anyone else. We don’t have that ability. Only He can do that. Only God can satisfy your soul.
            You referred to the “APA?” I asked you who that is. Is that the “AFA”? Just wondering.
            Whatever the case, whoever you are, you are confused and hurt; that much is obvious. Bigotry is not Christian. The two don’t mix. Unfortunately, there are some people who call themselves Christian that are in name only. Just as, I’m sure, agnostics who do the same thing and you wouldn’t want to be identified with them. God gives all of man the ability to choose our lives. We are not forced, coerced nor manipulated to follow Christ. People do those things. Not God. Worshipping God is a choice. As is not worshipping Him. I’m no bigot. I’m no hater. I love people….genuinely caring about their lives, but more importantly, their souls.
            Maybe you will never understand what I say, but I do hope you will hear my heart. Whether you accept it or not, Jesus loves you….He always has, and always will. He wants you to get all this agnostic stuff out of your system and come home to Him. He is waiting with open arms…..not with hateful signs, not with bigotry. But, with all the love of God. That is a promise. Whoever you are, sir.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I’m sorry about your relative. 🙁 You make an excellent point. Here is some additional secular research on the “There is no God and I hate Him” phenomenon (just take the spaces out before the dots):

            https://winteryknight .wordpress .com/2015/05/22/study-explores-whether-atheism-is-rooted-in-reason-or-emotion-3/

            I like this particular piece because it also explains what our role is as Christians and “being happy and having fun and making God our cosmic butler” just is not in the job description. Keep up the great work! God bless!

          • Marge

            science up untill recently, supported such and still does if you cant find it. Teh lgbt are very good at silencing and hiding anyone or any research that says so. Please, the human body male and female are biologically designed for each other, end of story. whether GOD created it ( which I do believe) or evolution. YOu can’t dispute that at any level. So, it is with common sense, no “scientfic facts” are needed. Just plain old biology, natural. What is NOT normal or biologically correct is lgbt, beastiality, pedophilia and any other abnormal sexual perverted desires. There is obviously somekind of misfire in the connectors in the brain or something. Something is wrong and that is sad,but like an addict, you have to see it for the truth that it is and own up to it and then work on correcting it. Just like any addict, those with abnormal sexual desires will suffer with this the rest of their lives, but to force this abdomination as normal onto society and in a family structures is detrimental to society.

          • TheDemonDance

            It’s a choice, and it can be helped.

          • MisterPine

            Science and mental health organizations disagree with you…and so do I.

          • ozmliad pilgrim

            so you think we forgot what the old Merck Manuel says, and how the gay lobby changed it … I still own the one that says homosexuality is a mental illness, so which “science” you talking about? “science” disagrees with itself …. lol

          • StereoMan

            So you own an old and outdated manual with old and outdated information. What point are you trying to make?

          • ozmliad pilgrim

            that they make it up as they go … lol your “science” falsely called is in fact the fairy tale …lol i know about the gay lobby in the APA … lol
            well im off to another task … you bore me to tears …

          • StereoMan

            Science doesn’t make things up, that’s religion you’re thinking of. What’s wrong with you?

          • Maria Wilson

            Your scientists atheists are lairs just as you about your sexual orientation when in fact you know dip in your heart that is not true .Repent your sin to God ,don’t fool yourself over your mirage ,the true gender in you is the one that God gave it to you at birth why do you want to clown yourselves pretending to be different gender when in reality you are not and never will.

          • MisterPine

            No, scientists are not “lairs”.
            I am heterosexual but do not use faith to discriminate against homosexuals.
            Get a clue, lady.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            No genetic causation (take the spaces out before the dots): http://www .onenewsnow .com/perspectives/bryan-fischer/2014/06/17/the-latest-in-scientific-research-there-is-no-gay-gene# .VV_Y__lViko

            and

            https://winteryknight .wordpress .com/2012/02/02/is-there-a-gay-gene-are-gay-people-born-that-way/

          • MisterPine

            From Wikipedia:

            “(Bryan) Fischer’s comments about homosexuality caused the AFA to be designated a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) in November 2010. To avoid being classified as a hate group, the AFA has officially repudiated Fischer’s views on Muslims, Native Americans, Hispanics, African Americans, The Holocaust being caused by homosexuals, the outlawing of homosexuality and that LGBT parenting is slavery, and that Hillary Clinton is a lesbian.”

            See also:
            http://www.rightwingwatch. org/search/node/Bryan%20Fischer%20type:blog

            Re: winteryknight post by Stanton L. Jones:
            exgaywatch. com/2010/01/ex-gay-study-author-stanton-jones-in-wheaton-college-controversy/

            Care to try again?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            You gave me wikipedia, rightwingwatch, exgaywatch, and the terrorist organization SPLC, and I am supposed to buy that nonsense?!? What is next – an appeal to Star Trek? Do you have your Ouija Board out to reply?

            If you have a gay gene, produce it, collect your Nobel Prize, and wait for the statues to be built to you. Otherwise, you are just spouting propaganda. Of course, there is some recent news on the Gay Lies Movement, and this is admitted to even by the Leftists (just take the spaces out):

            https://winteryknight .wordpress .com/2015/05/21/pro-gay-marriage-study-retracted-for-using-completely-fake-data/

          • StereoMan

            So the Southern Poverty Law Center is a terrorist organization? I wonder, can you name one single dead casualty of theirs?

            Likewise you cite a Gay Lies Movement. Funny I have never heard of them.

            And what is wrong with Wikipedia? Or right wing watch? Or ex-gay watch? They are all fact-based. In fact right wing watch exposes some of the worst sleaze currently operating in this country, not just Christian bigots and homophobes but Tea party d-bags. I think you are seriously mistaken.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “So the Southern Poverty Law Center is a terrorist organization?”

            Not all terrorists claim lives, but this is certainly evidence of their immorality, especially as it relates to the FRC attack (just take the spaces out): https://winteryknight .wordpress .com/2015/02/12/pro-gay-marriage-atheist-progressive-craig-hicks-charged-with-murder-of-three-muslims/

            “And what is wrong with Wikipedia?”

            https://winteryknight .wordpress .com/2014/09/19/wikipedia-editor-deletes-all-evidence-of-neil-degrasse-tysons-quote-fabrication/

            and

            https://winteryknight .wordpress .com/2014/01/15/guerilla-skepticism-on-wikipedia-how-should-christians-and-conservatives-respond/

            and

            https://winteryknight .wordpress .com/2009/12/20/can-you-trust-wikipedia-to-tell-you-the-truth-about-global-warming/

            “They are all fact-based.”

            Only if all truths are relative. Do you assert that?

            “not just Christian bigots and homophobes but Tea party d-bags”

            Aaah yes, that just had to come out at some point, didn’t it?!? To your credit, you waited until the end of your reply before the name-calling – that is what is known as relative “tolerance” in the Gaystapo. God bless!

          • StereoMan

            Well, your winteryknight site seems to be your one-stop shop for all thing conspiracy theory related. Like it or not, I gave you several sites, all of them credible, but you’ve linked only to one single person in need of some therapy and/or decent medication. Also, I’m not homosexual – a common tactic among the radical right, to think they are demonizing their opponents by calling them homosexuals, but I’m happily married with 2 children, who do have a gay uncle and a lesbian aunt.

            Funny thing about Wikipedia, if there is a dispute on any entry, all you need to do is click on the “talk” tab to see what it’s about. Good way to keep it fair and balanced. By the way, the FRC are an official hate group. Nice company you keep.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I link to WK, because he is an evidentialist and generally uses peer-reviewed secular sources to destroy a-theist arguments. I think he did an excellent job, especially in showing how incredibly biased Wikipedia is, not to mention, it does not have standards for academic peer review. Real thinkers do not link to them.

            The FRC are called a hate group by a hate group, the SPLC. It is kind of like when the Gaystapo (made up of gays and a-theists alike, not just gays – never said you were one) press charges of “intolerance” and “hate” and “homophobia” toward those who disagree with them. I am quite sure you know the type. 🙂 God bless!

          • StereoMan

            There’s actually no such thing as the “gaystapo”, it’s a made-up firebrand originally coined by the hate group WBC (Westboro Baptist Church – although I am QUITE certain you know all about them!). The Southern Poverty Law Center, however, tie in closely with the anti-defamation league and do a lot of good work for people who have been hurt by discrimination from fundamentalist lunatics, and their reputation is rock solid and sound, except for those who are standing up for their Christian right to hate. They perform a vital function, I think most people would agree.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Westboro runs these two sites (just take the spaces out)?

            http://barbwire .com/2014/07/07/300-examples-read-understand-meant-term-homofascism/

            and

            https://www .facebook .com/GayActivistsarehypocrites/timeline?ref=page_internal

            You aren’t saying that everyone who is against gay “marriage” is like the Westboro Demon-crats, are you?

          • StereoMan

            What I am saying is what I said already. The phrase “homofascists” which you love to say over and over was coined by the Westboro Baptist church. Do you also picket gay funerals?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            A cursory search on the internet shows “homofascism” to be a widely spread word – including cultural definitions. It seems that the word has stuck, regardless of its origins. It would appear to have fairly deep roots:

            http://www .scottlively .net/2013/05/21/homofascism-vs-the-first-amendment/

            I don’t picket gay funerals, because I do not take my orders from Demon-crats like WBC. Are you a member of the Gaystapo? How many death threats have you issued because someone won’t participate in your gay “wedding?”

          • StereoMan

            I think that when you picket homosexual funerals you are basically telling the family of the deceased that you care nothing about them at all, that your morals supersede theirs, that your opinions are God’s opinions. Look at all the children that flee your cult one by one – is it really that surprising? What message are you giving the kids?

            How many death threats have you issued because you feel your morals trump those homosexuals who desire all the same things in a marriage that you do?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Why do you have a reading comprehension problem? Is that a consequence of your gay activity? What are you and your Gaystapo pals up to today?

            Your ad hominems tire me:

            https://winteryknight .wordpress .com/2015/05/21/pro-gay-marriage-study-retracted-for-using-completely-fake-data/

          • StereoMan

            i have to admit your vitriol surprises me. When you adopt a hate-based religion, should you not expect to encounter similarly angry people?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I am pretty sure that the vitriol is coming from the “tolerant” ones here. I have no problem whatsoever with your anger – so long as it is not put into practice as we have seen so many times by the Gaystapo.

            Regarding hate versus love, there is a distinction in our worldviews between what “love” is. In the Christian view, love is a commitment to want what is best for the other person. In the atheistic / worldly sense, love is affirming the behaviors and beliefs of the other person – regardless of how destructive these are to the individual. That is actually hateful in the Christian view. Which is why we speak out against lies.

          • StereoMan

            Picketing funerals. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Even if you think that humiliating and torturing already grieving families is what your God wants you to do, you’d think your conscience would keep you awake nights.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “Picketing funerals.”

            Reading comprehension is not stressed in the New Absurdists, is it? Your foam arrows do not even come close to hurting. But, I can see you are definitely hurting. Why all the hate, StereoMan? Did you have a poor relationship with your dad? If so, I can relate, and I am very sorry for you. God bless!

            https://winteryknight .wordpress .com/2015/05/03/why-do-famous-atheists-believe-that-god-does-not-exist-4/

          • StereoMan

            Why all the hate, WorldGoneCrazy? Is your life being destroyed by all-consuming “gaystapos” and “homofascists”? Even after they’re dead, must you cause pain to their grieving families?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            The objective reader can discern who is the hater her: he is the one engaging in ad hominems and incessant name-calling.

            Was your relationship with your dad poor?

          • StereoMan

            “Ad hominems”, Mr. Homofascist/Gaystapo?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            There is ample evidence for your membership in the Gaystapo – merely from the comments you have made. Whereas, there is no evidence for my membership in WBC, most notably the fact that I do not join Demon-crat churches. Again, the objective reader can discern this.

            The real questions are this: why are you an a-theist? What makes you so certain that God does not exist? What is the explanatory power of a-theism?

          • StereoMan

            Blithely tossing around a hateful expression the WBC coined – who ELSE would use such a blatantly stupid word?

            You, on the other hand, pull your factoids out of your nether regions. Such as that I am homosexual and that I am atheist. I am neither.

            I never said God didn’t exist. I’m saying YOUR God doesn’t exist. You know, the one in that book of yours that you beat people over the head with for disagreeing with.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            That word is all over the internet – it is part of the culture. If the name sticks, you should embrace it. You have proven by your ad hominems and childish name-calling that you are a member of the Gaystapo in good standing.

            “I’m saying YOUR God doesn’t exist.”

            Prove it! The burden is yours. If you can show that to be true, they will award you a Nobel Prize and build statues to you!

          • StereoMan

            There is no gaystapo, herr Hitler. Just your little firebrand that you attack gay people with.

            No surprise you don’t comprehend burden of proof either.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Google says otherwise – so do the cultural dictionaries.

            You asserted “I’m saying YOUR God doesn’t exist.” That is a positive claim, for which the burden is yours. If I say “Your wife (or husband) does not exist,” I have made a claim that bears a burden. Please do a little studying up. You are not representing your version of deism well. God bless!

          • StereoMan

            Cultural dictionaries can make up all the firebrands they like. The gaystapo doesn’t exist. There are only homosexuals and their defenders standing up to fundamentalist dirtbags demanding to be left the hell alone. As it should be. Another person’s marriage doesn’t affect you or any other Christian. Deal with it.

            You have asserted the God of the Bible. You are the one who needs to prove that God. I’m supposing a vague God that I don’t know anything about. I don’t have anything to prove and fully admit I might be wrong.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “The gaystapo doesn’t exist.”

            You don’t have to try to convince yourself. The internet if full of references to your so-called “non-existent” organization, hundreds of them. And we have many hundreds of cases of examples of their bullying and hate activities. So, you can say they don’t exist, but it comes across as someone saying the Lunar Landings didn’t happen. And, of course, we have:

            http://www .floppingaces .net/2015/04/28/the-gaystapo-and-the-difference-between-joseph-stalin-and-adolf-hitler/

            “fundamentalist dirtbags”

            You cannot assert that without an objective Moral Law Giver. and, you do not have one, as you wrote: “I’m supposing a vague God that I don’t know anything about.”

            That statement is self-refuting, if you are saying that you cannot know anything about God.

          • StereoMan

            No, I don’t have to convince myself – if the internet is full of references to an organization that doesn’t exist, it’s because people like you put them there. Very common tactic, you bully gays and lesbians and they stand up to you for it and you try to paint them as the oppressors. They’re not. You are.

            “If you are saying that you cannot know anything about God.”

            I DON’T know anything about God. Neither do you. Neither does anyone. So you should probably stop pretending that He hates gay people.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “No, I don’t have to convince myself – if the internet is full of references to an organization that doesn’t exist, it’s because people like you put them there.”

            I heard that the Jews made up stories about some sort of Gestapo organization too. But, the fascists in Germany denied it, so it must not have existed either. That is your “logic.”

            “I DON’T know anything about God. Neither do you. Neither does anyone.”

            Wow – arrogant much?!? So, you are saying that we cannot know anything about God, is that correct?

          • StereoMan

            So you’re comparing the very real Gestapo in Germany who were responsible for some very real casualties to a nonexistent group of militant homosexuals who want to force you to renounce Jesus?

            “So, you are saying that we cannot know anything about God, is that correct?”

            Yes.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “very real Gestapo”

            You cannot prove that they were real. They might have just been made up, like you say the Gaystapo was.

            ‘ “So, you are saying that we cannot know anything about God, is that correct?”

            Yes.’

            OK – now that is totally self-refuting. To say we cannot know anything about God is to say SOMETHING about God – namely that He is unknowable. You really should take a basic course in logic, because someone who engages in self-refutations is called an absurdist. I did some experimenting in existentialism too, as an a-theist, and I can tell you that it is a dead end, philosophically.

          • StereoMan

            The Gestapo were real. The gaystapo is not, it’s just a stupid phrase that’s trying to be clever by attacking homosexuals.

            “To say we cannot know anything about God is to say SOMETHING about God”

            More games? I said very clearly that I didn’t know if there was a God. And neither do you. And if you claim you do, then you are the one who is “arrogant much”. Your faith is faith, not proof. Faith is all it will ever be.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “The Gestapo were real.”

            That’s what the Jews said, but we cannot trust them because they always thought they were being persecuted. 🙂

            “More games? I said very clearly that I didn’t know if there was a God.”

            I am assuming that you understand self-refutation? It is a denial of the Law of Non-Contradiction to say that God is unknowable.

            “And neither do you.”

            How do you know this?!? That comes across as tremendously arrogant. You must prove this statement.

            “Your faith is faith, not proof.”

            Not at all! Christian faith is a trust based on evidence – always! When you have to undergo surgery, you search out the best surgeon in that discipline, right? Then, when you have found the one that has the best qualifications, you schedule and appointment, go in and meet him, ask him questions, and then tell him you will use him. On the day of the surgery, you sign the documents authorizing him to perform the surgery. It is at that point that you have placed your trust (faith) in the surgeon. In Christianity, the Surgeon is Jesus of Nazareth.

            I used to be an a-theist: now THAT is blind faith.

          • StereoMan

            The Gestapo were real. If you don’t trust the Jews then that’s one more issue you have.

            It doesn’t violate the Law of Non-Contradiction to say that God is unknowable.

            Your faith cannot be proven.

            And not one of these diversionary tactics has anything to do with your hatred and oppression of homosexuals anyway.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “It doesn’t violate the Law of Non-Contradiction to say that God is unknowable.”

            It most certainly does! “God is unknowable” is a knowledge statement about God – self-refuting – this is basic sophomore level logic. You don’t get to just make absurdist assertions and get away with it.

            “Your faith cannot be proven.”

            Except for the Kalam Cosmological Argument plus Big Bang, cosmic background radiation, inflationary universe, BGV Theorem, etc, plus Moral Argument, Argument from Consciousness, Fine-tuning Argument, etc. Your data points to my Deity.

            Now, blind faith is:

            1. The universe miraculously popped into existence out of nothing uncaused by anything.
            2. Life magically sprang forth from non-life when lightning hit some mud.
            3. Minds and morals evolved from molecules through monkeys.

            THAT is blind faith.

          • StereoMan

            “God is unknowable” is a knowledge statement about God – self-refuting – this is basic sophomore level logic.

            To say something is unknowable is not a knowledge statement, it is a statement that knowledge is absent. You know, like black is the absence of color, and baldness is the absence of hair.

            “Kalam Cosmological Argument plus Big Bang, cosmic background radiation,
            inflationary universe, BGV Theorem, etc, plus Moral Argument, Argument
            from Consciousness, Fine-tuning Argument, etc. Your data points to my
            Deity.”

            No, your deity’s argument is presented only in the Bible.

            “3. Minds and morals evolved from molecules through monkeys.”

            Evolution is a scientific fact.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “To say something is unknowable is not a knowledge statement, it is a statement that knowledge is absent. ”

            Which is a statement of knowledge! Logic is not your strong suit, is it? Either knowledge of God exists or it doesn’t exist. Either way, THAT is a statement of fact, or knowledge. That is why it is self-refuting. Seriously, either study up on logic or make sure you do not go into a STEM field. We do NOT need bridges collapsing and planes falling out of the sky because you are unable to think logically.

            “No, your deity’s argument is presented only in the Bible.”

            What?!? I am not aware of any denomination of Christianity that even falsely believes that God’s Revelation is found only in the Bible. In fact, the Bible ITSELF states that God’s Revelation is not confined to the Bible! Here, I will just give you just one sample from both OT and NT:

            “The heavens declare the glory of God; the skies proclaim the work of his hands.” — Psalm 19:1

            “For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities–his eternal power and divine nature–have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.” — Romans 1:20

            “Evolution is a scientific fact.”

            Not according to even those who lean that way:

            “Can you tell me anything about evolution,” he asked his listeners, “any one thing, that is true?” — Colin Patterson, at a meeting American Museum of Natural History in New York,
            to which he was met with silence.

            ”Evolution by natural selection, for instance, which Charles Darwin originally conceived as a great theory, has lately come to function more as an antitheory, called upon to cover up embarrassing experimental shortcomings and legitimize findings that are at best questionable and at worst not even wrong. Your protein defies the laws of mass action? Evolution did it! Your complicated mess of chemical reactions turns into a chicken? Evolution! The human brain works on logical principles no computer can ever emulate? Evolution is the cause!” — Nobel laureate Robert Laughlin

          • StereoMan

            “Which is a statement of knowledge! Logic is not your strong suit, is it?”
            Clearly it’s not yours. I’m talking about a God that I know nothing about, with no conditions on it at all. You’re talking about the God of the Bible. Your statement might be true if we were BOTH talking about your God, but we’re not. The very fact that I can’t give you any physical properties about this God I claim can’t be known is testimony to my statement that he’s not knowable. So what problem are you having with this?

            “What?!? I am not aware of any denomination of Christianity that even falsely believes that God’s Revelation is found only in the Bible.”

            That’s funny, because “Bible only Christians” are pretty common.

            Evolution is a scientific fact. Accepted universally across the board as fact. Taught in school.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “I’m talking about a God that I know nothing about, with no conditions on it at all. You’re talking about the God of the Bible.”

            No I am not. We are both presupposing a God Who exists, and that is all we know about this God until you said that “God is unknowable.” Either we can know at least something about this God or we can know nothing about this God. You said we can know nothing about this God. That most certainly IS a statement of knowledge – one which delineates between a God we can know nothing about and One we can know something about. Big difference – huge!

            “The very fact that I can’t give you any physical properties about this God I claim can’t be known is testimony to my statement that he’s not knowable.”

            Completely false! Physical properties are one thing, philosophical and mental properties are another. Your statement that you can know nothing about God is a statement of mental knowledge. If it is not, then retract it. Actually, you HAVE to retract it, because it is self-refuting.

            “That’s funny, because “Bible only Christians” are pretty common.”

            The next time you meet a Bible-only Christian, you should ask him or her that: can any of God’s Revelation be found outside of the Bible? Then give him those two verses and see what he says. (The solution is that all truth is God’s Truth.) Alert me when you do this, and I will back you up 100%, OK? It will be fun. 🙂

            “Evolution is a scientific fact. Accepted universally across the board as fact. Taught in school.”

            They taught the Piltdown man in school, too, for 40 years, and it was a confirmed hoax. They are also teaching Haeckel’s diagrams to this day, and that was a known fraud from a century and a half ago (just take the two spaces out):

            https://winteryknight .wordpress .com/2015/04/06/did-your-science-textbook-teach-that-embryo-drawings-prove-evolution-2/

            You don’t have to convince me on evolution: you just have to convince your fellow Darwinists:

            “Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories because we have a prior commitment to materialism. It is
            not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world but, on the contrary, we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of
            investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counterintuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute for we cannot allow a divine foot in the door.”
            — Darwinist Richard Lewontin, Harvard University

          • StereoMan

            All right, if you want to be ABSOLUTELY pedantic about it, let’s say “completely unknowable apart from the fact we are calling it God”.

            As for the rest I still say it doesn’t seem to have much to do with the fact that you have a huge problem with homosexuals. How we veered so far off course I have no idea. But that is what is germane right now.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Exactly. One of the reasons I pushed so hard on this is because Allah is supposedly unknowable. But, to know even THAT about Allah is to know SOMETHING about him, in which case he is at least slightly knowable, perhaps infinitesimally so. So, technically, that is how we can say that Islam is false, because of its self-refuting nature. (Not to mention all of the beheadings and such.)

            You are 100% correct that it is a fine point, but it is still important, because the Law of Non-Contradiction is inviolable (even by God). In fact, this argument from the applicability of logic is a good apologetic for the existence of a supernatural Mind, what we call God.

            Don’t forget the apologetic I gave you to question a Bible-only Christian. (Not to be confused with Sola Scriptura, which is Bible apart from church authority and traditions, but which does not exclude extra-Biblical general revelation.) They often confuse “Everything in the Bible is true” with “Everything that is true is in the Bible.” Obviously 1+1=2 is true, but is not found literally in the Bible. Your birth date is a matter of fact which is also not found in the Bible. It actually took me awhile to figure that one out following my conversion from a-theism. But, since even the Bible admits it, it is a slam dunk! I would like to hear back from you as to what their replies are when you present that argument to them – it is impossible for them to refute because it is found in the Bible in the first place. 🙂

            “the fact that you have a huge problem with homosexuals”

            Not true at all. I love homosexuals so much I desire for them to know the objective dangers of the destructive behavior of the lifestyle. But, I am a sinner too. Alternatively, there are many chaste homosexuals living in obedience to God – how, I do not know, only by the power of God for sure!

            The group I do not care for much at all is the Gaystapo – their behavior is self-refuting AND objectively immoral. But this group is made up more of a-theists and feminists than homosexuals, IMO.

          • StereoMan

            “The destructive behavior of the lifestyle” – and what on earth would THAT be? Two monogamous homosexuals are in absolutely no danger of any disease and the life they live together concerns no one except themselves.

            As for this gaystapo, you’ve already been told it’s a firebrand made up by the Westboro Baptist Church, intended for people who stand up for bigotry and intolerance of a faith-based nature towards gay people, so why do you persist with this?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “The destructive behavior of the lifestyle” – and what on earth would THAT be?”

            https://www .lifesitenews .com/opinion/top-12-studies-showing-risks-to-couples-in-same-sex-unions

            I can get you CDC and other data too, if necessary. It should be obvious that the gay lifestyle is more destructive, a priori, than an equivalent heterosexual lifestyle. (Use your imagination.) Just because you don’t WANT it to be true does not make it false.

            “Two monogamous homosexuals”

            True monogamy is exceptionally rare in the gay community. If you were as educated on this subject as your constant postings would imply, you would know that. “Monogamy” in the gay community generally means 3-4 sexual partners a year. It really IS different, much as you would like to deny it.

            On the Gaystapo term, it has been widely accepted, like it or not. The roots of it are not as clear as you might like to believe, but let us assume, for the sake of argument, that WBC started it. If WBC came out with a statement that 1+1=2 (hard to believe they could, since they are Demon-crats), would that mean that you would say “It’s a lie! They are math-phobes?!?” 🙂

          • StereoMan

            OK, first of all, the firebrands are getting really irritating. Gaystapo, Demon-crats – if you want to have a discourse that’s going to go someplace, you should drop the name-calling. Assuming, of course, that you want to be taken seriously.

            “https://www .lifesitenews .com/opinion/top-12-studies-showing-risks-to-couples-in-same-sex-unions”

            One good website deserves another:

            http://www.rightwingwatch. org/category/organizations/life-site-news

            “True monogamy is exceptionally rare in the gay community. If you were as educated on this subject as your constant postings would imply, you would know that.”

            Really? Well, why don’t you “educate” me then, using a website that I can actually take seriously and not one that is widely known as a right-wing crackpot site? Actual science would be nice to see, not just opinion pieces. I happen to know many monogamous homosexual couples, including two lesbians who have been together since the 1970s. So to suggest that monogamy is rare in homosexuals sounds like typical right wing hate to me. You are, of course, welcome to prove otherwise (without linking to right-wing crazies).

            “let us assume, for the sake of argument, that WBC started it. If WBC came out with a statement that 1+1=2 (hard to believe they could, since they are Demon-crats), would that mean that you would say “It’s a lie! They are math-phobes?!?”

            If any organization posts a fact, regardless of their affiliation, I’ll get behind it. But “Gaystapo” isn’t a fact, it’s just a hateful opinion.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “I happen to know many monogamous homosexual couples, including two lesbians who have been together since the 1970s.”

            Anecdotal evidence – versus the peer-reviewed scientific studies I gave you?!? The fact that they were referenced on a site that you disagree with is irrelevant. You got the sources and citations. I gave you, amongst others, secular peer-reviewed citations like Social Psychiatry and Psychiatric Epidemiology, Pediatrics, American Journal of Public Health, (Trauma, Violence and Abuse), Journal of Urban Health, PLOS Medicine, AIDS. You replied with RWW. What’s next – MSNBC?!?

            It’s not like I’m quoting the Bible at you or even giving you Family Research Council studies – I’m giving you the data you should be agreeing with – the secular stuff. The fact that it is referenced on a site that actual cares about gay people instead of a propaganda site like RWW should be a good thing. Gays understand this all too well – it’s on their websites too! Why don’t heterosexual a-theists care as much about gays as Christians do?!? Here’s more:

            Regarding Relationship duration

            About 58% of traditional marriages last longer than 20 years.
            Source: National Center for Health Statistics, Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (2001)

            About 5% of same-sex unions last longer than 20 years.
            Source: 2003-2004 Gay/Lesbian Consumer Online Census

            Regarding Monogamy vs Promiscuity

            85% of married women and 75.5% of married men report being faithful to their spouses. For homosexual males, the number is 4.5%

            Sources: Laumann, The Social Organization of Sexuality, 216; McWhirter and Mattison, The Male Couple: How Relationships Develop (1984): 252-253; Wiederman, “Extramarital Sex,” 170.

            We won’t even get into the domestic violence issues.

            But, finally, on the destructive emotional and physical nature from the CDC:

            http://www .cdc .gov/mmwr/pdf/ss/ss60e0606 .pdf

            “the prevalence among gay or lesbian students was higher than the prevalence among heterosexual students for a median of 63.8% of all the risk behaviors measured, and the prevalence among bisexual students was higher than the prevalence among heterosexual students for a median of 76.0% of all the risk behaviors measured.”

            Specifically, gay or lesbian students had higher rates for seven of the 10 health risk categories (behaviors that contribute to violence, behaviors related to attempted suicide, tobacco use, alcohol use, other drug use, sexual behaviors, and weight management).

            So, there is your peer-reviewed secular science. And you give me RWW. Uuugh.

            “But “Gaystapo” isn’t a fact, it’s just a hateful opinion.”

            Then why are their hundreds of examples of cases of Gaystapo activities AND dozens of sites discussing it online?!? Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, huh?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Speaking of which, one more case to add to the thousands:

            https://www. lifesitenews. com/news/pro-family-jeweller-made-gay-couples-rings-but-still-got-targeted-by-gay-lo?utm_source=LifeSiteNews. com+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=8e55e7df72-LifeSiteNews_com_US_Headlines_06_19_2013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_0caba610ac-8e55e7df72-397685045

          • Bobby Mae

            So who forms your Gaystapo? Is it all homosexuals or just ones that get an invitation to join or what?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            The Gaystapo is made up of homosexuals and a-theists and feminists, probably a much higher percentage in the last two categories. Most gays are not interested in homofascism tactics. But, a-theists and feminists are another matter. Under a-theism, death threats, bullying, and calling the state down on those who disagree with them are all perfectly consistent with “might makes right” Darwinism. Anything goes for them.

          • Bobby Mae

            Ok, so you just felt like calling me a member for fun earlier. I see

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            OK, I apologize if I mis-characterized you. I did not realize that you were condemning what is happening to the florists, bakers, photographers, pizzaria, etc. My bad. I have several conversations going on at once and may be firing indiscriminately. A good argument for better discrimination in that case, huh? 🙂

          • Bobby Mae

            Wait so you attack atheists. I tell u im Christian but because I dont proslyetize you say I’m not a real Christian. You’re proving you just love to argue.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Bobby, I am NOT attacking a-theists! I am asking him legitimate questions. How is that an attack?

            “I tell u im Christian but because I dont proslyetize you say I’m not a real Christian.”

            I never said you weren’t a real Christian. I asked you what you do with Jesus’ last words to His disciples, “go and make disciples of all the nations?” (Matthew 28:19) If you are a real Christian, then you know that Hell is for real (no one talked about Hell in the Bible more than Jesus), and so, out of love, you would want to encourage unbelievers to not go there – if you loved them that is. That is why I asked you that simple question, to which I still await an answer, I might add.

            “You’re proving you just love to argue.”

            Self-refuting. You are arguing with me to say I shouldn’t argue. That is hypocritical. God bless you, Bobby!

          • Bobby Mae

            Haha take a look at your page as the public can see it. You are NOT spreading God’s word. Have a nice day

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I JUST gave you God’s Word, and you engage in ad hominems and self-refuting assertions, making you look like a hypocrite. If logic is not your strong suit, you may wish to give up commenting.

          • Bobby Mae

            I was speaking to you. But since you’re here, what’s your background? Are you a veteran?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Happy Memorial Day! 🙂

            Why are you afraid to answer a few simple questions on Christianity 101?

          • Bobby Mae

            What are you, the Isis of Christianity ?? Leave me alone. You’re proving exactly WHY I think religion belongs nowhere in our government!

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            YOU were the one attacking me, not the other way around. You can’t answer a simple question on Christianity and are blaming ME for that?!? What are you – the ISIS of the Gay “Rights” Movement? 🙂

          • Bobby Mae

            No I’m not. I dont do any activism, I go to work and pay my bills. Crazy right?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            You are doing activism right here. You are speaking out in favor of gay “marriage,” right? That is activism. And, by not proselytizing, aren’t you not denying your Savior’s last words to His disciples?

          • Bobby Mae

            If you want to count me saying what I believe as activism then go for it lol. Not sure when just one’s beliefs made them part of a nazi-like regime but ok 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            YOU are the one who hypocritically said you were not an activist while participating most actively on this site. That is self-refuting and absurdist.

          • Bobby Mae

            Ok, yes I believe in marriage equality and I share my beliefs on here. I dont however belong to any political organizations. I’m not sure why we’re going back and forth on something as trivial as this.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Define “marriage equality.”

            Also, can you tell me what you believe the purpose of life is?

          • Bobby Mae

            I believe that consenting adults should be able to marry and have the same legal benefits. And I’m only 26 and wouldn’t even pretend to know the meaning of life.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “I believe that consenting adults should be able to marry and have the same legal benefits.”

            Why do you restrict to “consenting” and “adults.” That is VERY discriminating of you! How can you justify discriminating like that?!? And, you don’t say how many? Up to 10?

            “And I’m only 26 and wouldn’t even pretend to know the meaning of life.”

            You are already 26, and yet have not thought about the most fundamental question a human can ask himself – the meaning of life?!? Do you think you have a purpose at all? You are a Christian – what did Christ say was the purpose of life?

          • Bobby Mae

            You are grasping at straws trying to start an argument, and I’m not taking the bait, sir. You seem lonely and oddly desperate for attention. I’m fine with polygamy by the way.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “You seem lonely and oddly desperate for attention.”

            Says the one who is quick to answer each one of my replies. 🙂 More self-refuting hypocrisy on your part. Jesus didn’t have much good to say about the Pharisees, you know.

            You still have not answered why you can justify discriminating against non-consensual marriages and adult-child marriages. If you have no purpose in life, why are you on here so much?

          • Bobby Mae

            Children dont have the mental capacity to know what they are doing and can therefore be taken advantage of. That’s why it should be adults. Even though you know this already.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            You are a bigoted child hater for not letting them get married if they want to! You must be some sort of fundie. What happened to “marriage equality?!?”

          • Bobby Mae

            Lol you need help. Have a good evening.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I need help?!? I’m not the child hater. I’m not the one that opens the door for gays to have “marriage equality” and then shuts it right behind myself and then pretends I am “tolerant, compassionate, and open to diversity.”

          • Bobby Mae

            You’re putting words in my mouth. All you know of me is that I’m attracted to the same sex, Christian, 26, and support marriage equality.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            You said you wouldn’t let children get married. You are intolerant of child marriages and pedophile marriages. You are discriminatory. You are a marriage fundie. You are a hater, because you will not let children get married to other children or adults! You are not for “marriage equality,” because you discriminate against children getting married and non-consensual marriages. You admitted it!

          • Bobby Mae

            Ok sir. If that makes you feel better then let’s go with it.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            One more for your side:

            https://www .lifesitenews .com/news/pro-family-jeweller-made-gay-couples-rings-but-still-got-targeted-by-gay-lo?utm_source=LifeSiteNews .com+Daily+Newsletter&utm_campaign=8e55e7df72-LifeSiteNews_com_US_Headlines_06_19_2013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_0caba610ac-8e55e7df72-397685045

          • Bobby Mae

            Sir I dont represent anybody but myself. I can send you an article of a conservative christian who wants to execute all homosexuals. But what’s the point?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Well, the point is that homofascism is the norm on your side and Christians who want to execute homosexuals are called out as apostate anti-Christian extremists. I have had numerous people say that Christians are not being persecuted by homofascists and justifying what has been done to the florist, the baker, the photographer, etc, but you won’t get too many extremists calling for the execution of gays. And those who do can be smacked down by the dogma of Christ.

            In your movement, homofascism is either denied or encouraged. In mine, execution is condemned. That is the difference.

          • Bobby Mae

            It’s actually not the norm on my side. There’s been what , 10 max stories in the media when there’s millions of homosexuals in this country and even over half of conservatives now support sex marriage. So let’s cut the bs like that’s normal.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Hundreds and they come along every few days. Just a sampling:

            http://barbwire .com/2014/07/07/300-examples-read-understand-meant-term-homofascism/

          • Bobby Mae

            It’s condemned by YOU but there are many supporters. Go check out Steven Anderson on YouTube and tell me everyone condemns him.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            It is outside of Christian doctrine – a very basic understanding of Christian doctrine, I might add. I condemn such thinking to High Heaven!

            But, the Gaystapo techniques are standard fare, especially given that the largest component of the organization is a-theists and feminists, not gays themselves.

          • Bobby Mae

            It’s actually not outside Christian doctrine, unless you want to say Leviticus doesnt exist.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            That is a common assertion, but would apply more directly to Orthodox Judaism. But, poor Biblical hermeneutics in that case by any Christian who even remotely uses that verse to justify the execution of homosexuals. We must wonder why Christians, and more importantly, Orthodox Jews are not putting homosexuals to death? The reason lies in the full understanding of the purposes of covenants.

          • Bobby Mae

            Let me change my words since you’re heavily into semantics. I support consensual marriage among adults.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Why “consensual” and why “adults?!?” That is discriminatory to those who want to engage in non-consensual marriages and marriages with children. Do you not see that you are discriminating?

          • Bobby Mae

            The part of being tolerant and looking for diversity were your words not mine. If you want to say I’m discriminating by not supporting children marriages I’ll accept that. So now we’re both discriminatory in our marriage beliefs according to you. And?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Great – thank you! You are no less a bigoted hater than I am – thank you!

          • Bobby Mae

            *wasnt

          • Bobby Mae

            These aren’t Christians. These are old retired or unemployed men jaded by life that can’t deal with the fact that we don’t live in the 50s anymore. If it’s not gays, it’s some other group

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Yes, below, you wrongly said that I said you weren’t a Christian. Now, you do what you wrongly accused me of doing! That is hypocritical and self-refuting.

          • StereoMan

            They sure think they are Christians (but heaven forbid, not Catholics…still can’t get over that some of them are so fundie that they don’t consider Catholics to be Christians.)

          • Bobby Mae

            Agreed. I was raised Catholic and not til I checked out these news pages did I realize how vile these people are

          • StereoMan

            At least Catholics can be reasonable, many of them. Not like fundies.

          • Bobby Mae

            I think.most of these people have PTSD and extreme paranoia. They seriously believe the gaystapo exists lol

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Nice ad hominem. But, you really should address the hundreds of examples I provided instead of just name-calling. (Which is what the Gaystapo does anyway.)

          • StereoMan

            WorldGone is so over the top about his hatred for gay people that he HAS to be a WBC member. It’s cute watching him pretend he isn’t.

          • Bobby Mae

            Im gay and that’s all I’ve said about my sexual orientation and I’m already accused of being in the gaystapo!! Lol phew I feel kinda bad for these people. My dad’s a Vietnam vet and has PTSD and I am definitely seeing some parallels with the way people here speak

          • StereoMan

            The Christian right is more of a political movement than a religious one, despite what they may say about it. They see homosexuals as vermin who should be exterminated without making the slightest attempt to understand them as people or with any kind of compassion. Largely they are indistinguishable from the Tea Party crazies.

          • Bobby Mae

            I know right… I used to think the tea party believed in live and let live due to their “dont tread on me” logo, but then I educated myself. It should read “dont tread on my beliefs. We’re right, you’re wrong. Period.”

          • StereoMan

            As long as people continually remind them that their beliefs don’t trump other people’s human rights, things should be OK. It’s just some of the arrogant fundamentalists here that seem to need reminding of that little fact.

          • Bobby Mae

            Do you suffer from PTSD?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I was raised in a liberal a-theistic family, so, yes, I have a bad case of PTSD. 🙂

          • Bobby Mae

            Lol 🙂

          • pastoredsmith

            “fact based?” That’s a laugh, “Stereoman,” whoever you are hiding behind that “handle.”
            Right. Facts? Well, they make it up as they go along, twisting anything to fit their agenda they possibly can. These people, while they started out doing a great work identifying real hate groups such as the KKK, they now define “hate groups” as anyone who is dedicated Christian and holds to Biblical marriage. Anyone who accepts the Bible as truth and refuses to acknowledge homosexuality as anything it is, that being “SIN,” is a hater and a bigot.
            They are trying to force people who hold to these long-held beliefs that for millinnia prior stated that marriage was between one man and one woman, and now, all of a sudden, those who hold to this view are haters? Give me a break. This is not “enlightenment,” it is the destruction of a culture. Time will demonstrate that I speak the truth.
            I suggest you check reliable sources for information, starting with the Bible. It is God’s Holy Word and is the only source of absolute truth in the world.

          • StereoMan

            Laugh all you like “Pastor”, it’s quite correct what I said. The SPL Center helps all sorts of minorities who are being beaten up and does so by targeting the bigots and bullies. You’re not happy about this fact because you SUPPORT bigotry towards homosexuals and wish to deny them rights. I am curious that you would say the KKK is a “real” hate group but anyone who does the same thing to homosexuals is just peachy keen with you. And that, more than anything else, makes me question whether you are a real “pastor” – if you are, you must be like one of the Westboro brand. You can scour the internet for hours, but to find anyone with anything bad to say about the SPL Center you will find exclusively Christian fundamentalists. No one else takes issue with them. Isn’t that interesting?

          • pastoredsmith

            I do laugh at idiotic statements such as you make here “stereo”… SPLC is a hate group that doesn’t know a hate group from a loving group. Their usefulness is ended when they call Christians hateful.
            You have no idea what I support and what I don’t. If you wish to call names and attempt to lump hate groups together with Christians, you are being not only foolish but bigoted yourself. We hate nobody. We LOVE people….all people, but you know that. You are a bully, a name caller, a false accuser and a general nuisance. KKK is NOT Christian. Just so we get that clear.
            You question my credentials all you wish. But, until you come and meet me face to face, you know nothing about me and are only spouting hatred. “exclusively Christian fundamentalists?” What you mean is anyone who believes the Bible to be true. The Bible condems homosexuality (the SINFUL choice of committing that act of sexual immorality). I’m not willing to rip those passages out. So, if that means you put me in the group of people you wish to call names about, then go ahead. It only makes you look stupid.
            Isn’t that more interesting?

          • StereoMan

            No, idiot man, the SPLC works in conjunction with the Anti-Defamation league, specializing in civil rights and public interest litigation. You can paint them any way you like with your fundie brush but that’s what they are, and if you don’t like it, there’s really very little you can do about it. Your Christian “love” is all about denying human rights to people who opt to not follow the same deity you do, and for that reason you’re worthless as a human being. When you have science telling you right to your face that people don’t choose their sexuality, that they can’t change it, that it’s not a sickness or a sin, and you hold fast to bronze-age bigotries, you forfeit all rights to be given dignified responses. And for that reason I am finished with you. If there is a God I hope he judges you just as harshly as you would like homosexuals to be judged. Shame on you.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Foul! You are not allowed to talk about objective moral values and duties under a-theism: they do not exist!

            “[To] all my Atheist friends.

            Let us stop sugar coating it. I know, it’s hard to come out and be blunt with the friendly Theists who frequent sites like this. However in your efforts to “play nice” and “be civil” you actually do them a great disservice.

            We are Atheists. We believe that the Universe is a great uncaused, random accident. All life in the Universe past and future are the results of random chance acting on itself. While we acknowledge concepts like morality, politeness, civility seem to
            exist, we know they do not. Our highly evolved brains imagine that these things have a cause or a use, and they have in the past, they’ve allowed life to continue on this planet for a short blip of time. But make no mistake: all our dreams, loves, opinions, and desires are figments of our primordial imagination. They are fleeting electrical signals that fire across our synapses
            for a moment in time. They served some purpose in the past. They got us here. That’s it. All human achievement and plans for the future are the result of some ancient, evolved brain and accompanying chemical reactions that once served a survival purpose. Ex: I’ll marry and nurture children because my genes
            demand reproduction, I’ll create because creativity served a survival advantage to my ancient ape ancestors, I’ll build cities and laws because this allowed my ape grandfather time and peace to reproduce and protect his genes. My only directive is to obey my genes. Eat, sleep, reproduce, die. That is our bible.

            We deride the Theists for having created myths and holy books. We imagine ourselves superior. But we too imagine there are reasons to obey laws, be polite, protect the weak etc. Rubbish. We are nurturing a new religion, one where we imagine that such
            conventions have any basis in reality. Have they allowed life to exist? Absolutely. But who cares? Outside of my greedy little gene’s need to reproduce, there is nothing in my world that stops me from killing you and reproducing with your wife. Only the fear that I might be incarcerated and thus be deprived of the opportunity to do the same with the next guy’s wife stops me. Some of my Atheist friends have fooled themselves into acting like the general population. They live in suburban homes, drive Toyota Camrys, attend school plays. But underneath they know the truth. They are a bag of DNA whose only purpose is to make more of themselves. So be nice if you want. Be involved, have polite conversations, be a model citizen. Just be aware that
            while technically an Atheist, you are an inferior one. You’re just a little bit less evolved, that’s all. When you are ready to join me, let me know, I’ll be reproducing with your wife.

            I know it’s not PC to speak so bluntly about the ramifications of our beliefs, but in our discussions with Theists we sometimes tip toe around what we really know to be factual. Maybe it’s time we Atheists were a little more truthful and let the chips fall where they may. At least that’s what my genes are telling me to say.” — unknown a-theist

          • pastoredsmith

            Nonsensical babblings. The SPLC labels groups “hate groups” just because they believe and practice the Bible and take its stand against homosexuality as “normal.” Homosexuality is a SIN. A CHOICE. A deliberate violation of God’s natural law. And, it is NOT hate to tell the truth. It IS hate to spit in someone’s face, whether literally or figuratively as you are doing to me because I disagree with you.
            Call me “fundy” or whatever disgusting name you wish. I am merely telling the truth and you are twisting it all around.
            And, you wouldn’t know “science” if it bit you on the nose. True science is taking what is discovered at face value without having prejudged what “might” be found (projections) and trying to make it fit into a preconceived theory that is already full of holes. The theories should be postulated AFTER scientific discoveries are completed and analyzed. These days, and for several decades, scientific discoveries are clouded in shrouds of idiotic theories that simply don’t hold water as “proof” these idiotic theories are somehow supposed to be true. And, when these scientific “theories” are proven untrue by others who are more honest, people like you refuse to believe it and keep shoving it in everyone’s face. Example: The multiple studies done by homosexual scientists that prove that homosexuals are not “born that way.” Not one shred of evidence ever proves that DNA has anything to do with one’s sexual attractions. Cultural pressures from others, yes. Physical, “I can’t help who I am?” NOT AT ALL.
            As for me, I’m quite sick of your name calling and hatred of me. This discussion is done. If you want to look at where the shame should be in this discussion, look no further than your own mirror. One day you will stand before God and you won’t be mocking then.
            Oh, one more thing. You judge me again. I don’t want homosexuals to be judged. I’d rather they be forgiven and accept the healing and cleansing of Christ. That’s why I tell the truth. Can’t say the same for you. I will pray that you see God’s truth.

          • pastoredsmith

            Yeah, Mister Pine, I’ll address this. It wasn’t Fischer’s comments alone that caused the radical SPLC to call the AFA a hate group, it was because they dare stand on the truth of God’s Word. Period. They don’t rip out Roman 1 nor Christ’s words that decidedly define marriage as between a man and his wife. You really should really look elsewhere than “right wing watch” if you want accurate information. And, the SPLC has now decreed that any group who actively opposes “gay marriage” is a “hate group.” Eventually, they will name many major Christian Churches. And, the vast majority of the 50 states had voter referendums establishing state constitutional amendments defining marriage as between one man and one woman, only to be overturned by a federal government that is hellbent on taking all state control away from states in a very Unconstitutional manner.
            Then, your so-called APA is a hate group because they hate Christians. You, sir, are a hate group yourself because you have agreed that you hate Christians, especially “fundamental preachers.”
            And, you never answered my question. are you the person I think you are? You certainly sound like him.
            Perhaps you should learn to love those who love you and this country rather than hate us. I speak of dedicated, true Christians who understand the freedoms granted in America. Freedoms for all of us to believe and practice our religion as we please. And, neither the federal government, the military police, nor any rogue and out of control bunch of atheists and agnostics can change the truth Jesus loves you. And, standing up for Truth is NOT hatred, sir.

          • TheDemonDance

            Men nailing each other in the keaster is hardly normal.

          • amostpolitedebate

            Normal is overrated IMHO.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Yes, but diapers at 30 is also overrated.

          • StereoMan

            For men or for women, since both engage in sodomy?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            For both. Any man who places his sex organ in a woman’s septic tank, ultimately leading to diapers for her at 30, is not a man who cares for or loves that woman. And then there is fecal sex. Not real healthy sex we are discussing here.

          • StereoMan

            I know many straight couples who do it. No diapers necessary for any of them. It’s their business what they do.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            They are both disgusting and immoral. This is true even under a-theism, where, usually, anything goes there:

            “The position of the modern evolutionist is that humans have an awareness of morality because such an awareness of
            biological worth. Morality is a biological adaptation no less than are hands and feet and teeth. Considered as a rationally justifiable set of claims about an objective something, ethics is illusory. I appreciate when someone says, ‘Love thy neighbor as thyself,’ they think they are referring above and beyond
            themselves. Nevertheless, such reference is truly without foundation. Morality is just an aid to survival and reproduction, . . . and any deeper meaning is illusory.” (Michael Ruse, “Evolutionary Theory and Christian Ethics,” in The Darwinian Paradigm (London: Routledge, 1989), pp. 262-269).

          • StereoMan

            “They are both disgusting and immoral.”

            That would be a matter of opinion. I’m sure there are things you do in the sack that they find equally horrible.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “That would be a matter of opinion.”

            Not under Christianity. Not even under Darwinism, in which physically destructive behavior such as this also, at the least, interferes with survival and reproduction.

          • StereoMan

            You know, you just might possibly have stumbled on the reason so many people elect not to follow your religion.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            That’s not a good reply to the fact that, even under your a-theistic Darwinism, such behavior is objectively immoral – or at least hinders the process of macro-evolution. If you were intellectually honest on this subject, you would actually be agreeing with me that certain behaviors are wrong, even under your worldview.

          • StereoMan

            “Immorality” is denying people simple human rights, silly man. It is fundamentalist Christian pride and arrogance. It is hatred and judgment. Your faith is nothing more than a pile of rotting, stinking garbage.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “Immorality” is denying people simple human rights”

            Getting married is a human right now?!?

            “silly man” “pride and arrogance” “pile of rotting, stinking garbage”

            I am feeling the gay “love” right now – thank you for proving my point! 🙂 But, remember, under Darwinism, anything goes – so you are not allowed to talk about objective moral values and duties. You are violating your a-theism and stealing from God.

            “It is hatred and judgment.”

            Unlike your rant, which is “non-judgmental love?” 🙂 This is the problem with a-theism and Gay “Rights:” they are both patently self-refuting. God bless you, StereoMan!

          • StereoMan

            I’m not a homosexual, idiot. And all you should be feeling from me is utter, total contempt for your vile judgments.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “I’m not a homosexual, idiot.”

            Why not? Is there something wrong with homosexuality? Are you bringing your bigotry out of the closet? 🙂

            “And all you should be feeling from me is utter, total contempt for your vile judgments.”

            Is that not a vile judgment? 🙂 Thank you for your “love” and “tolerance” tonight – God bless!

          • StereoMan

            Is it normal when straight couples do it?

        • Bobby Mae

          We went thru this very conversation when blacks were allowed to integrate. And dont say it wasn’t the Christians, remember Bob Jones?

          • Marge

            actually I don’t. But I will say this, he was a false Christian, just like any Christian condoning the lgbt and ssm. Also, STOP comparing apples to oranges. Being a different color is NOT a sin NOR is it immoral. the lgbt lifestyle IS a sin and is very much immoral. so go take a nap or something, drink your kool aid.

          • Bobby Mae

            Marge you better zip your lip because I am a man and under the bibles authority you have no right to speak over me.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Even though you are engaging in poor Biblical hermeneutics, and I am a Christian, that actually WAS funny.

          • TheDemonDance

            Gay is not the new black…

          • Nathan Z Solomon

            Marge, I wouldn’t worry too much about Bob Jones…which ever one it was. Dr. Bob is a fundamentalist…notice the “ist” at the end…just like an Islamist (same ist) These are people who are outside the fringe by making specific interpretations of their scared scripture that lean toward rule-keeping. I was just reading Gal 5. Paul emphasizes grace, not rule-keeping.

          • LadyFreeBird<God'sNotDead

            Bobby Mae wants to silence Women. He forgets about Debora . Queen Esther and other Women of the Bible that God used. If Queen Esther was silent who would have saved her people? God uses her to save His chosen people. God dose not want us to be silent. People like Bobby Mae are the ones who want to silence us strong Women .With the help of God we will not be silences.

          • Maria Wilson

            Blacks has nothing to do with your perversion ,please stop this nonsense

          • Bobby Mae

            Of course that’s obvious now but the fact of the matter is that many people DID use the Bible to oppose integration. Sorry if facts hurt your feelings

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Bobby, people have used the Bible to support slavery and abortion, too. Kermit Gosnell thinks he was doing God’s work for Heaven’s sake. It’s just really bad hermeneutics. It was Christians who abolished slavery and it will be us again who abolish abortion. BTW, 97% of atheists are pro-aborts. Just saying.

          • Nathan Z Solomon

            OK…I have to ask. Under which Bob Jones? There are 4 of them. 🙂 You are correct. I’m just trying to gain historical context.

        • MisterPine

          You are hating on homosexuals in this very post. If you’re a real pastor and I were looking for spiritual concerns you’re the last one I’d go looking to get it from.

          • pastoredsmith

            Really? So, you think it is “hating homosexuals” to disagree with your claims that you “are born that way?” Or, you think it is “hating homosexuals” to believe the Bible when it denounces that lifestyle choice as an abomination? Or, you think it is hating homosexuals because I dare believe the Bible and refuse to participate in your sin by performing a “gay marriage?” If this is accurate, you are part of the reason laws like the religious protection laws are vital. You would force those of us who have genuine disagreements to participate and change our faith in God to accommodate your sin? No sir, that is not hatred. It is self defense of our religious freedoms. Nothing more, nothing less. You really should learn the difference.
            After all, it is homosexual activists who are trying to force America to accept your deviancy from a legal standpoint because you were unable to win your point by fair discussions and you wish to silence all your critics. Yes, you people and the atheists do have a lot in common.

        • Chuck Bryant

          Do Christians feel a need to be “universally accepted as normal”?

        • Taussig

          nobody but nobody cares one iota about yours or anyone else’s acceptance but go about deluding yourself into thinking that’s the case

      • TheDemonDance

        If they keep their filth in the closet, they’ll be treated equal…

        • amostpolitedebate

          Actually, they wont! Quite the opposite in fact.

      • Maria Wilson

        Paul what equality are you talking about ? you already have all equal rights like everyone else in USA .If you think that your deviated perverted sex has to be equal with heterosexuals marriage you got that wrong ,you will never be equal even if the law will be in your side , because you have to answer to the highest law ,God’s law who will judge you for not obeying His laws special when you know you are wrong but you insist to fight against Him disrespecting His authority ..

        • amostpolitedebate

          Really? The rights are already equal you say.

          Is YOUR boss legally allowed to fire you just for being a Christian? Are you forbidden from marrying the one you love just because random people don’t like the “choice” you made (being Christian)? Do businesses frequently try to prove some amorphous point by refusing to serve you? Do you live in fear that someone will assault you walking out of a Church? How many of your friends are dead because some lunatic murdered them in broad daylight? Did the police overlook these incidents because they think Christians are gross?

          Somehow I kind of doubt the answer to any of these is “yes”.

        • Taussig

          only your own uneducated opinion

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      The reason he is here so much is that he is on welfare. And you and I are paying for it. 🙂

      Just like when we pay taxes that sadly support the Human Wrongs Commissions in various states to persecute Christians who “offend” gays by not participating in their depraved idolatry.

    • Taussig

      atheists dont hate that which doesnt exist

      • pastoredsmith

        You lie. Atheists DO hate God, and especially hate His people. But, why should atheists tell the truth? They have no basis for morality apart from their own rehashed man-made laws and delusions as to what is “moral.”

  • pastoredsmith

    WOO HOO!! Go Governor Jindal!!!

  • pastoredsmith

    Think so? What about the report from the White House that says that a SCOTUS ruling in favor of eliminating states rights in determining the definition of marriage will most assuredly affect “religious groups?” What about Christian schools whose students receive Federal grants like everybody else? Will their students be punished because the school loses that? What about the tax-exempt status of churches who stand on the Bible and refuse to perform illicit “weddings” because the Bible commands it? And, after losing their tax exempt status, what do these churches then become? Don’t know? Well, they will be looked on as any other “business.” Then, the government regulations will apply to them just as they do to all businesses, and the First Amendment will officially be trashed. It’s well on the way there now.

    • Paul Hiett

      You clearly have no grasp of the actual issue, and instead are doing nothing more than flailing around blindly and screaming nonsense. Everything you just said is nothing more than wild assumptions on your part and have no basis in fact.

      • pastoredsmith

        Actually, atheist Paul, I have a firm grasp on this issue. It is you with your atheist worldview that stands on the beach, hands raised in the air towards the stars and shouts, “there is no god!” It you who are the foolish one screaming lies and hyperbole. You are the babbling one with no basis for morals or the ability to decide anything that is right or wrong because you deny the one and only LAWGIVER exists. God is the lawgiver. You are the one babbling foolishness based on fables while ignoring the truth of God’s existence.

        • Paul Hiett

          You’re the one who blindly believes in a fairy tale with no proof what so ever. I, at least, keep an open mind.

          But hey, you go on with your narrow minded view of reality.

          OH, feel free to violate any of man’s laws you wish if you think your deity’s laws are somehow more important. I’d pay good money to watch you in a court trying to justify how you stoned two gay men to death as it is decreed in the Bible. You know the Bible right? That book of love and compassion and tolerance for everyone on the earth?

          😉

          • pastoredsmith

            Wrong atheist. There is more proof that God is exactly who He says He is than even your existence. Your mind is not open, it is shut up by the lies of atheism from satan himself. And, he is laughing his head off at your stupidity.
            My worldview is based on facts, unlike yours. Your worldview is based on the wandering, feeble minds of people like yourself who hate God and wish to try to prove to the world He doesn’t exist. A very feeble and idiotic thing to undertake because He is exactly who He says He is, unlike your worldview that is nothing but a pack of exaggerated, manipulated facts that no longer even resemble their original state. You look into distorted mirrors at the world and see your own distorted self.
            You have nobody to blame but yourself for your hatred of God.
            Oh, the line that says “your deity’s laws are somehow more important…” That’s a good one. You already know that God is not “my” God. He is God. Period. He is your God, too. Whether or not you believe in Him or not is immaterial. But, you already know all this because you use it over and over. What is it now, Is it atheist talking point #6 or #7. I never can remember which one it is. No matter. They are all a pack of lies and manufactured idioms that prove only how ridiculously foolish anyone who actually “has faith” enough to believe in them really is. It takes much more “faith” to believe there is no God than to accept the truth of His existence.
            And, you wouldn’t know “compassion and tolerance” if it was standing right in front of you. In fact, it doing that just now. It is the presence of God. You cannot escape Him. You cannot hide from Him. All you can do is lie to yourself about His existence and pray that satisfies that inner longing for Him. You cannot get rid of that, even by spouting libraries of anger and lies.

          • Paul Hiett

            There’s not a single shred of evidence to support your claim that your choice of a deity is real. Not one. Everything you just wrote is nothing more than your opinion.

            And to be clear, while I support your right to your opinion and your right to voice your opinion, I also have the right to laugh at your opinion and point out that your opinion does not get to rule over me or anyone else.

          • pastoredsmith

            Atheist talking point #3. “Make the Christian prove his deity is the one and only one. Don’t accept the Bible or his belief as truth. Only genuine, tangible proof from him. He can’t do it because nobody can physically see God.”
            Yep. Heard that one, too. In fact, we’ve debated this one on a couple of threads before on this website if I’m not mistaken. But, for the info of those who read this, here it is again.
            Atheist, if God Himself wrote a message in the sky that read, “Paul Hiett, I am the God that you hate. Believe in Me. I have a better plan for your life,” you wouldn’t believe it was God. You’d say something like, “somehow, those clever Baptists did this…”
            Proof you want, atheist? Look around you. Look at the planet we live on. Look into the eyes of a newborn baby and tell me “there is no God.” Look into the eyes of a saint who is about to leave this world in peace with himself and with God and says, “I see HIM!” and tell me there is no God. Watch a person dying who curses God with his dying breath and sample the final hatred from a person who has hated God for decades as they die a horrible, violent death. This death scenario was mine to see. It was my parents. My bitter Mama hated her mother before her and didn’t want to go to Heaven because her mother would be there. She became a “closed agnostic” and cursed God. Her death was violent. She injured herself twice in spite of the morphine we gave her to try to calm her down. She cursed everybody who came into the room, especially my father who loved her with all his heart in spite of her bitterness and hatred. She died cursing God and all of us. Dad, on the other hand, an Army vet, was deaf since I was 3 years old. His deafness came as a result of a grenade explosion he was near in Korea. He was 100% deaf in one ear and 98% in the other. Yet, he loved God. He loved his family, and even loved his bitter wife for over 5 decades until her death. His death was peaceful with family around him. His last words were, “I’ll see you there.” followed shortly by “I see Him!” and a few hours later, he took his last breath without saying another word.
            I wonder about what your death experience will be like? Will you continue to curse God or will you finally give up your hate? You remind me of my mother. God help you.
            No hatred here. Just genuine concern for your soul and concern for those you lead astray by your lies of atheism. That is all.

          • Paul Hiett

            By all means then, prove your deity exists. Shouldn’t be hard if there’s so much evidence, right?

          • pastoredsmith

            I already answered that question. Really, you should actually read my posts before you try to attack with the “sword” of a wet noodle.

          • Paul Hiett

            You can provide evidence that your deity is real and that doesn’t also support the existence of any other deity?

            Really?

            Must have missed it..

  • http://www.engardehealth.com/ Roberta Gabor

    I see more and more discrimination against Christians. I don’t know of any Christians who hate the LGBT community even though we don’t approve of their lifestyle.

    • Paul Hiett

      Homosexual people who are simply asking to be treated equally could hardly be considered as those who are discriminating.

      • pastoredsmith

        How do you know that, Paul the atheist? Since when do atheists have any basis for deciding whether homosexuality is right or wrong? You have no basis for morality, so anything goes with you atheists as long as you are comfortable with it. Situation ethics, it is called. Babbling idiocy.
        For the record, homosexual activists do not want simply to be “accepted.” They want to be considered “normal” in society and anyone who thinks otherwise held to the same contempt as one who hates someone because of their race. Main point here of difference: Homosexuality is hated. Not the homosexual person. It is the sin that is hated, not the sinner. And, this has nothing to do with skin color or something one is “born with.” Homosexuality is a CHOSEN lifestyle as all credible science proves.

        • Paul Hiett

          Your claim that atheists have no morals is cute, but nothing more. I could easily prove that we’re more “moral” than Christians, but I don’t think you have the intellectual capacity, or knowledge of the Bible, to keep pace with that discussion.

          Don’t you have a “God Hates [email protected]” sign to paint?

          • pastoredsmith

            Cute? It is accurate. Atheists have no basis for morals. All you can do is falsely accuse and make it all up as you go along. Your so-called “proof” would be based on what? Your own definition of morality? Don’t make me laugh. Wait, too late. I’m laughing my head off at the very notion of your having morals apart from the one who gave us the law.
            Besides, any and all laws have their roots or base in God’s law. “Thou shalt not kill.” Remember that one? So, if you believe that murder is wrong, you believe part of the Bible.
            No, you have no basis for morality because it is all dreamed up by whatever standard for morality measurement you choose. Unfortunately, not everybody uses the same morality measurement as you, so it gets lost in the translation.
            I don’t paint such vulgar and ungodly signs, and you know that already. You also know that you’re using another of those atheist talking points I’ve mentioned. #2, I believe. “When you are obviously losing a debate with a Christian, always hurl the most ungodly insults you can think of. It will make him mad and you can use that for a comeback.”
            Won’t work, atheist. First, Westboro “baptist church” is no church. They are clearly a hate group, same as atheists. You would fit right in. Your sign might read, “Atheists hate God.” Hmm. Maybe you have a sign to paint.

          • Paul Hiett

            “When you are obviously losing a debate with a Christian, always hurl
            the most ungodly insults you can think of. It will make him mad and you
            can use that for a comeback.”

            This from the guy that refuses to call me by name and instead calls me “atheist” like a 4 letter word. The hypocrisy is strong in this one.

            Like I said, you haven’t demonstrated the intellectual capacity to have a discussion regarding morality.

          • pastoredsmith

            Not an insult, just a title that I want all who to read to know where you come from. Certainly not a 4-letter word. If you call me “Christian,” I wouldn’t ever be insulted. I guess you are sensitive about being called “atheist” because you really, deep down don’t believe the lies you spout.
            Hurling more names…..you now add hypocrite to the list. Hmm. That proves my atheist talking point usage even more.
            Now, you call me unintelligent? Yet another name and more proof of the truth of my statement.
            You claim my statements about you having no basis for morality are false, then, I ask you, “Where do you get your basis for morality?” The correct answer is “freethinking atheists who reason together.” My response is one word: HOGWASH.

          • Paul Hiett

            I’m pretty sure everyone here knows I’m an atheist. I don’t hide it, and in fact I’m proud to admit that I am one. There’s nothing wrong with it. Atheism is nothing more than a different opinion regarding religious belief. It is no more or less valid than all of the other religious beliefs in the world, yours included.

            I think the primary difference is that atheists don’t want a theocracy in place, while people like you clearly do. Ergo why I debate people like you on Christian websites. If we didn’t stand up to you, you’d run roughshod over us like you used to.

            Too bad you can’t burn us at the stake anymore, eh?

          • pastoredsmith

            Nothing wrong with being an atheist? Nothing wrong? You are kidding, right? There is everything wrong with it! It would be like trying to deny the law of gravity. You can not believe that law if you wish, but if you jump off a building to prove “there is no gravity,” you will be seriously injured or die, depending on the exact circumstances. You cannot ignore God. He is real. He is everywhere.
            You keep calling my beliefs “theocracy” as though you know what you’re talking about. You are ignorant if you really think that is what America is all about. It is about FREEDOM, atheist. It is about FREEDOM OF RELIGION, even freedom to be a member of the atheist religion if one chooses. Not about your ilk trying to squelch Christianity (and all other religions for that matter). Your religion is dangerous! It has hell in its future for all who live therein!!
            Here you go proving my statement earlier that you use atheist talking points repeatedly. “burn us at the stake?” More gibberish. This is America. You have the right and privilege to be an atheist if that is what you wish. You simply don’t have the right nor the privilege to sue to stop Christianity’s influence. As Elijah said, “If God be God, let’s worship Him. But, if Baal, let’s worship him.” So, why are you people afraid of the influence of Christians? Are you afraid you might actually be proven wrong and end up in hell? Or that some of your misguided people might actually accept Christ and denounce the false religion of atheism?
            You and your type can only “win” over society by force. Never by truthful and accurate debate because you peddle lies.

          • Lark62

            Okay, if all morality comes from the Bible, is it moral to have sex with a child or with a non consenting adult?

            Please point me to chapter and verse where you get that moral instruction.

          • pastoredsmith

            Do you own a Bible? May I suggest you read it for reasons other than trying to prove your own point of view.
            For the record, the Bible condemns all sexual activity outside of marriage. Read it. It’s all in there.
            And, if you have trouble, try a wonderful little man-made invention. It’s called “Google.”

          • Lark62

            But wives and slaves did not have to consent to sex, and age didn’t matter.

            Show me chapter and verse where the font of morality says sex without consent or sex with a child is wrong.

            I’m waiting.

          • amostpolitedebate

            You’re being unfair Lark. The bible has very strict rules governing when and where it’s appropriate to beat and/or rape your slaves.

          • Jim H

            “I’m laughing my head off at the very notion of your having morals apart from the one who gave us the law.
            Besides, any and all laws have their roots or base in God’s law. “Thou shalt not kill.” Remember that one? So, if you believe that murder is wrong, you believe part of the Bible.”

            Before you laugh your head off, you may want to check out the following, of course, then your head just might explode:

            Laws of Urukagina (ruler of Lagash, a Mesopotamian city-state, ca. 2370 BCE)

            Code of Ur-Nammu (ruler of Ur, located in modern-day Iraq, ca. 2075 BCE)

            Lipit-Ishtar Code (ruler of Isin, located lower Mesopotamia, ca. 2075 BCE)

            Laws of Eshnuuna (a city-state north of where Ur was located, in modern day Iraq – ca. 1930 BCE)

            Code of Hammurabi (ruler of Babylon, ca. 1760 BCE)

            The Ten Commandments appear in both the books of Exodus and Deuteronomy. Exodus is the most difficult to date, most likely having a number of authors over quite a span of time. Its final form is thought to be at around 450 BCE. Deuteronomy was first written down probably around the 7th cent. BCE, with additions over the next few centuries.

            Are there examples of laws, such as prohibitions against murder and theft, predating the Ten Commandments? Certainly. All of the codes of laws listed above predate when Moses supposedly lived. Some of these legal codes, such as the Code of Ur-Nammu and the Code of Hammurabi, we have extant sources.

            “No, you have no basis for morality because it is all dreamed up by whatever standard for morality measurement you choose.”
            Apparently, civilized people, in fact, can (and do) figure out things like “murder is bad” without a Bible to tell them that. In fact, if you check out some of the latest research at Yale’s baby lab and other places, the rudiments of ethics and morals seem to be hardwired.

            Sorry to cast some optimistic doubt on your pessimistic dismal view of human beings and what we seem to be able to accomplish on our own.

          • Richard

            Paul, your morals are constantly on display: you say live and let live, yet you come here day after day in an attempt to change opinions that don’t agree with yours. That is called hypocrisy.

          • weasel1886

            No it is free speech. Something the right hates

        • weasel1886

          Since being a Christian is a choice no Christian should have any civil rights. Correct ?

        • Josey

          Not only do homosexuals want acceptance, they want to shove it down our childrens throats and those who choose to obey God. The gnash at anyone who disagrees with them.

        • Jim H

          Could you please provide or reference the scientific papers published in peer reviewed journals that (which determines their credibility) that proves homosexuality is a chosen lifestyle.

          I am very interesting in reading them.

    • amostpolitedebate

      Well there’s the one guy in this very comment section who wrote:

      “Then let the mentally challenged perverts run wild!”

      That seems a tad hateful to me.

    • Lark62

      So you’re discriminated against if you can’t treat othet peole like crap? That’s warped.

    • weasel1886

      Every Christian hates gay people. That love the sinner hate the sin is a bunch of BS. All you have to do is read posters here to see the hatred

      • amostpolitedebate

        To be fair there’s a growing group of Christians that’s choosing to live in the 21st century and are pretty awesome on the gay issue. That’s not this crowd though.

        • weasel1886

          Fair enough. I just can’t believe conservative Christians speak before congress and hold so much sway like they speak for all people of faith

        • Josey

          no that is the apostate church who embraces every wind of doctrine even contrary to God’s Holy Word.

      • Josey

        Anyone who disagrees with your sin in your mind is a hater, no surprise there. The religious leaders of Jesus’s day claimed the same things.

        Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

        • weasel1886

          I see Christians painting people with the “all” and “every” on a daily basis. Clean your own house first

        • Parque_Hundido

          You realize that the quote you cited doesn’t actually support what you said, don’t you?

    • Josey

      You are right, hate is not in a true bible believing child of God for God fills the heart of His children with love. It is love that warns people because God does not delight in the death of the wicked for their end is hell when hell wasn’t created for mankind but for the devil and his rebellious angels who followed him. God gave His only Son who was abused, scoffed, punished for righteousness and to top it off hung on a cross to be our sin substitute, every sin placed on him, every dark evil thing we have or will ever do placed on Him but it was the will of God to save us through Jesus so even Jesus knew the cup that was on Him, to do God’s will even to death and not just death but the horrific sins people commit being placed on him who knew no sin. That is True Love!

    • mark

      I don’t hate you, I just hate that you’re left handed and it really bugs me that you live that lifestyle…

  • BarkingDawg

    What does Pyush have to lose? Louisianna’s economy is already the pits. It’s not like height tech companies are clamoring to move to swampland.

  • Tara

    ‘neither you nor any Christian in America has any idea what persecution is.’ And you know the personal, life stories of every single Christian in your country? Give me a break. It’s not always about gay people. Discrimination is not synonymous with homosexuality. How arrogant.

    • Paul Hiett

      Oh yes, tell me all about how Christians have been persecuted here in the US. I would love to hear this explanation…

      • Tara

        do you know every single Christian in America?

        • Paul Hiett

          Still waiting for you to show how Christians are being persecuted.

          • Tara

            lol…this is what the left always does. Never answers a question, but are arrogant enough to demand proof as if the burden is always on the person disagreeing with them. I don’t think so.

          • MisterPine

            What question are you waiting to have answered? If he knows every Christian in America? Are you seriously expecting a response?

          • Peter Leh

            im on the right and would like to know as well.

      • pastoredsmith

        This is about an attack on the First Amendment and an effort to rewrite that part of the Constitution, atheist, and you know it. The discrimination is now against Christians who believe the Bible, and that level of persecution will rise dramatically if SCOTUS steals the states rights of defining marriage as their voters have duly decided in referendums.
        But, then, your job description here is to make people mad. You would love nothing more than to see a Christian blow up in your face so you could mock God. Won’t work, atheist.
        No hatred for you here. Contempt for what you are doing to America, yes. Determination to stop the tsunami, yes. Hatred for you? No. I pity your soul when you die. It will be too late for you then.

        • Paul Hiett

          No one said you can’t believe the Bible…no one is claiming you can’t believe whatever crazy fairy tale you dream up. The only thing homosexuals are asking for is equal treatment under the law.

          Any claim otherwise is just more lies from you.

          • pastoredsmith

            Just believing the Bible is not the answer. The First Amendment does not say “Freedom of Worship.” Nor does it say, “Freedom to believe whatever you wish.” It says “FREEDOM OF RELIGION” Big difference.
            Atheism is the pack of lies and “crazy fairy tales.” I’m sure the demons in hell are laughing their heads off at you right now. I can hear it now, “Just look at that fool atheist. He doesn’t believe in God!” What a rouse they have pulled over your eyes atheist!
            For a person with no basis for morality, you certainly do hurl insults of lying. You should look in the mirror and see the one who is lying.

          • Paul Hiett

            Insults of lying? ROFL…I’m not the one who wants to create a theocracy and force everyone to live under the Christian version of Sharia law.

          • UmustBKiddinMe

            “It says “FREEDOM OF RELIGION” ”

            Please cite where the phrase “freedom of religion” appears in the constitution.

          • pastoredsmith

            Well, we go from atheist to gay activist to agnostic and now to Communist? Have you actually READ the Constitution? Do you not know? Are do you just sport for a fight. If you are so pathetic that you haven’t read the Constitution and know about the fundamental American right of Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Religion in the FIRST AMENDMENT to the Constitution, I don’t have time to educate you. Google it! The, read it and weep!

          • UmustBKiddinMe

            “Have you actually READ the Constitution?”

            Yes, I have. Here is the text of the 1st amendment:

            “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”

            Now, back to my question: Please cite where the phrase “freedom of religion” appears in the constitution.

          • pastoredsmith

            Oh, I get it. You are sporting for a fight. No, not this time. If you can’t figure this one out, you are either a moron or a Communist. Have a nice day.

          • UmustBKiddinMe

            I’m not sporting for a fight. You made a claim. I asked you to back it up. You obviously can’t, so instead of acknowledging that you were mistaken, you resort to using insults. No worries. Its unfortunate that you are so insecure that you can’t admit an error and that you use insults as a defensive mechanism.

          • pastoredsmith

            That’s because I am NOT mistaken. It is you who can’t interpret what you read.

          • UmustBKiddinMe

            Your statement: “”It [the constitution] says “FREEDOM OF RELIGION” ”

            I asked you a simple question based upon that statement: Where in the Constitution does it say: “FREEDOM OF RELIGION”?

            If, as you stated, it says that, then you should be able to cite where it says that. If you can’t cite it, then you are mistaken.

          • pastoredsmith

            OK, you say it does not grant the freedom of religion. Your interpretation, if you please?

          • UmustBKiddinMe

            “you say it does not grant the freedom of religion”

            Please cite where I said that the Constitution does not grant freedom of religion.

            You stated that the constitution: “says freedom of religion”. I asked to cite where those words appear. You have not done so, because they do not, and your statement was false. Why is it so hard for you to admit that? Are you really so insecure that you are not able to admit when you make a mistake?

            “Your interpretation, if you please?”

            No interpretation is needed. The 1st amendment clearly states that Congress (and via the 14th amendment, the States) are not allowed to pass laws PROHIBITING the expression of religious belief. In other words, Congress could not pass a law that prohibits the practice of Judaism, Islam, or Christianity.

            That does not, however, mean that citizens are allowed to exercise their religious beliefs in any way, at any time, or in any place they care to. There are restrictions.

            So while there is freedom to believe in whatever faith you care to and to worship, within legal bounds, according to those beliefs, there is no such thing as Freedom of Religion in the sense of the government being unable to restrict how people express their beliefs.

          • pastoredsmith

            That’s where I thought you were going. The “restrictions” you mention? They are NOT in the Constitution. That is because there are NO restrictions on the practice of religion because there can be NO law prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
            You must have been raised in a Communist country or somehow converted to Communism. Freedom OF Religion is the mainstay of the American way of life.
            It is your limited knowledge of American life that is “restricted.”

          • UmustBKiddinMe

            “They are NOT in the Constitution.”

            Of course they aren’t. Restrictions on stealing and murder are not in the constitution either. Did you have a point?

            “That is because there are NO restrictions on the practice of religion”

            Really? So if my religion believes in human or animal sacrifice, I am allowed to do that? I can go out in front of my house at 3:00 am and use a bullhorn to express my faith? A church can ring its bells at any hour of the day or night? A person can stand up in the middle of a restaurant and start proselytizing? A group can build a church on any plot of land it cares to? Rastafarian followers can smoke marijuana whenever they care to? A public school teacher is free to spend class time discussing how the kids will spend eternity in Hell if they don’t accept Jesus? Or are there restrictions regarding those things?

            “because there can be NO law prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

            “Prohibiting” and “restricting” are two completely different things. Religious expression is indeed restricted and quite legally so.

            “You must have been raised in a Communist country or somehow converted to Communism.”

            Nope. I was raised in the US and am fully supportive of our constitutional republic form of government as well as the Constitution which serves as the basis for our laws.

            You, on the other hand, have an incomplete and inaccurate understanding of what protections the Constitution provides regarding expression of religious belief. This, in turn, leads to unwarranted beliefs of infringement on your rights.

            You would benefit from a better understanding of both the Constitution and our laws.

          • pastoredsmith

            You are splitting hairs. Of course, animal sacrifices are illegal. Pyote Indians went to court to smoke their weed they used for thousands of years and the court ruled against them. I was right. You have no real point here, just sporting for a fight. Typical liberal.
            As to your assertion that I don’t have a grasp on the laws of this land, you are just idiotic and making it up as you go along. Are you an atheist, too?
            Your problem is that you wish to add to the restrictions that are place by commonly held laws of the land. You wish to limit free speech by telling a teacher they must wear a muzzle on their Christianity while in the classroom. That hasn’t always been in this country. Atheists are responsible for that by manipulating the legal system to their liking. The problem you people haven’t realized is that you cannot muzzle people as you see fit. You cannot dominate other people with your own selfishly driven ideas by manipulating the English language to suit your own agenda and get by with it forever. “tolerance” and “equality” are new buzz words that, if one does not adhere to the definitions given by some people who claim to be “offended,” those who disagree are punished. Is this what you call abiding by the First Amendment?
            No, it will change. You cannot change the truth into a lie and get away with it forever.
            Are you a Christian hater? Are you saying that Christians should be confined to the four walls of their church and that is what the First Amendment is all about? Are you saying it is OK to believe but not to practice because the rules and “restrictions” are changing? Are you saying atheists will rule over the changes and see to it that all religion is abolished from the public arena?
            No, you will not win this war.

          • UmustBKiddinMe

            “You are splitting hairs. ”

            Not at all. You stated that “there are NO restrictions on the practice of religion” I showed that there are indeed restriction on the practice of religion and, thus, you were wrong. Why is that so hard for you to admit?

            “you are just idiotic and making it up as you go along.”

            How is providing examples that refute your statements “idiotic”?

            “Your problem is that you wish to add to the restrictions that are place by commonly held laws of the land.”

            What restrictions do you believe I want to add?

            “You wish to limit free speech by telling a teacher they must wear a muzzle on their Christianity while in the classroom.”

            I don’t believe that a teacher should be using to classroom to promote ANY religion – Christian or otherwise.

            “That hasn’t always been in this country.”

            Agreed.

            “Atheists are responsible for that by manipulating the legal system to their liking.”

            How did Atheists manipulate the legal system?

            “The problem you people”

            Who is “you people”?

            “you cannot muzzle people as you see fit”

            How is it you believe I “see fit” to muzzle people?

            “”tolerance” and “equality” are new buzz words”

            The concepts of tolerance and equality have been around for centuries. The US was founded on equality. Equality, in turn, encompasses tolerance. With that said, you are free to be intolerant of whatever you care to.

            “those who disagree are punished.”

            Oh, please, spare me the hyperbole. You obviously don’t agree with a variety of laws in place – have you been “punished”?

            “No, it will change.”

            What will change?

            “Are you a Christian hater?”

            Not at all. Most of my friends and family are followers of the Christian faith. I care for them deeply.

            “Are you saying that Christians should be confined to the four walls of their church and that is what the First Amendment is all about?”

            Not at all.

            “Are you saying it is OK to believe but not to practice because the rules and “restrictions” are changing?”

            Not at all.

            “Are you saying atheists will rule over the changes and see to it that all religion is abolished from the public arena?”

            Not at all. Further, I would fight vigorously any attempt to make that happen.

            “No, you will not win this war.”

            What “war” are you referring to?

        • Peter Leh

          “This is about an attack on the First Amendment and an effort to rewrite that part of the Constitution, atheist, and you know it.”

          preacher how has your first amendment right been diminished?

          “The discrimination is now against Christians who believe the Bible, and
          that level of persecution will rise dramatically if SCOTUS steals the
          states rights of defining marriage as their voters have duly decided in
          referendums. ”

          you can not vote away equal protection preacher. Remember we have tried this before with the blacks?

          • pastoredsmith

            Peter, you have flaws in your analysis. 1) If SCOTUS gives a positive ruling overriding states rights in defining marriage as I mentioned, it will bring in lawsuits by gays who are refused “service” by churches, clergy, etc. who, for religious reasons, refuse to participate in homosexual weddings. When that happens, the churches, schools and other Christian institutions who hold out to defend the Biblical teaching that homosexuality is a sin will lose their tax-deductible status. Then, that church will be considered by the government to be a “business,” and as a “business,” the government will be able to force them to participate in homosexual weddings or be fined or closed down. It’s much more than the tax-deductible status….it’s the protection granted in the name of religious freedom. Even the White House released a statement that mentioned that a SCOTUS ruling “permitting gay marriage nationwide” would have a direct impact on churches and some schools. This is NOT about “marriage equality.” It is about a rogue government changing the First Amendment. If the government can do this, they can regulate ALL religions, including the false religion of atheism.
            2) Blacks? So-called “race” has NOTHING to do with “gay marriage!” A person born with black, white, brown or red skin has no choice about that. It is the way God created them to be. BTW. There is only one “race” mentioned in the Bible. The HUMAN race. Differences in skin color, ethnicity, etc. are just a matter of being different “people groups.” Not “races.” And, a homosexual is a homosexual by CHOICE, not “born that way.” The “born that way” rouse was very clever. It horns-waggled many people into having “sympathy” for a group of “persecuted” people and allowed the false propaganda that says the two are related. NOT. At. All!
            This whole “gay marriage” debate is NOT about “marriage equality.” It’s about “homosexual guilt being erased” because religion and all who oppose their voluntary lifestyle should be silenced.

          • UmustBKiddinMe

            “1) If SCOTUS gives a positive ruling overriding states rights in defining marriage as I mentioned, it will bring in lawsuits by gays who are refused “service” by churches, clergy, etc. who, for religious reasons, refuse to participate in homosexual weddings.”

            The state does not have the right to put into place laws which are counter to the protections provided by the federal constitution.

            “it will bring in lawsuits by gays who are refused “service” by churches, clergy, etc. who, for religious reasons, refuse to participate in homosexual weddings.””

            On what basis? Jews are allowed to marry, but they cannot force a Baptist preacher to marry them.

            “When that happens, the churches, schools and other Christian institutions who hold out to defend the Biblical teaching that homosexuality is a sin will lose their tax-deductible status. Then, that church will be considered by the government to be a “business,” and as a “business,” the government will be able to force them to participate in homosexual weddings or be fined or closed down.”

            You obviously have no understanding of the protections the constitution provides regarding religious entities.

            ” Even the White House released a statement that mentioned that a SCOTUS ruling “permitting gay marriage nationwide” would have a direct impact on churches and some schools.”

            What statement was that?

            “It is about a rogue government changing the First Amendment.”

            Same-gender marriage is legal in 37 states. Does the First Amendment read differently than it did before?

            “2) Blacks? So-called “race” has NOTHING to do with “gay marriage!””

            Agreed. It has to do with equal treatment under the law. Just as it did for laws which were different for blacks than they were for whites.

            “A person born with black, white, brown or red skin has no choice about that.”

            Civil rights in the US are not based upon a trait being innate. They are based solely upon citizenship.

            “And, a homosexual is a homosexual by CHOICE”

            Basis?

            “It horns-waggled many people into having “sympathy” for a group of “persecuted” people and allowed the false propaganda that says the two are related.”

            So when protections were put into place regarding religious beliefs, were people “horns-waggled” into believing that people are born a certain religion? What does the basis for a trait have to do with whether people who share that trait are persecuted and thus deserving of sympathy?

            “This whole “gay marriage” debate is NOT about “marriage equality.” It’s about “homosexual guilt being erased” ”

            How would allowing two citizens of the same gender to enter into civil marriage erase this “homosexual guilt” you believe exists?

            “who oppose their voluntary lifestyle should be silenced.”

            Same gender marriage has been legal in many countries for a number of years, and legal in the US in some states for a number of years. Are people in those countries and states who oppose same gender marriage no longer allowed to say that they do? Have they been “silenced”?

          • Peter Leh

            “it will bring in lawsuits by gays who are refused “service” by churches,
            clergy, etc. who, for religious reasons, refuse to participate in
            homosexual weddings.”

            and how would that legally happen IF the church is not a business and open to the public? Why has that not happened NOW in the states who have equal protection for homosexuals?

            the question was rhetorical preacher. our 1st amendment right have and have always been strongly intact. the fact you and i have not been put in jail or fined attests, no?

          • pastoredsmith

            You actually live in the USA and have no idea about this? You must watch MSNBC for your news.
            Even the White House admitted that a ruling by SCOTUS that redefines marriage will likely cause churches and other religious institutions to lose their tax deduction if they refuse to perform gay weddings. When that happens, they become tax paying businesses in the eyes of the IRS.
            Then, they have no right under law to refuse “service” to anyone in the country.
            But, you likely can’t figure that out. As to our First Amendment rights being “strongly intact,” SCOTUS has recreated the “separation of church and state.” After all, it was President Thomas Jefferson that started and sponsored a church that met in the Capitol Building in the Rotunda and the early Congress that paid for and had printed / distributed Christian Bibles. Yes, this country has changed…..for the worse. Freedoms have slowly eroded into what we have today.

          • Peter Leh

            “Even the White House admitted that a ruling by SCOTUS that redefines
            marriage will likely cause churches and other religious institutions to
            lose their tax deduction if they refuse to perform gay weddings”

            i am sure it CAN do that if the is not doing things to protect itself. I can see a scenerio that if the church is open to having nonmembers rent the facility for a wedding then they have to serve all not just some (ie like any other business). But if the church only allows the facility to be used by members hen there is no way the church will be in trouble for be consistent.

            “But, you likely can’t figure that out.”

            whoa… such condescension… and from a man of the pulpit. 🙂

            “As to our First Amendment rights being “strongly intact,” SCOTUS has recreated the “separation of church and state.”

            that is right and you don want a state run by one religious sect. that is what the founders left to come here.

            “After all, it was President Thomas Jefferson that started and sponsored a
            church that met in the Capitol Building in the Rotunda and the early
            Congress that paid for and had printed / distributed Christian Bibles.”

            good for Jefferson. we are not living in 1800.

            “Yes, this country has changed…..for the worse. Freedoms have slowly eroded into what we have today.”

            so you equate have the government printing up and sponsoring your religion an INCREASE in your freedom? 🙂

          • Peter Leh

            “Blacks? So-called “race” has NOTHING to do with “gay marriage!””

            please stay on subject. equal protection is more than race. have you not noticed religion is also a protected class and has nothing to do with genetics? People choose there religion and change their religion as well, and yet are rightfully protected.

          • Peter Leh

            “This whole “gay marriage” debate is NOT about “marriage equality.” It’s
            about “homosexual guilt being erased” because religion and all who
            oppose their voluntary lifestyle should be silenced.”

            that is what the politicians say… and said back in the day when the good old southern christians were withholding equal protection from american citizens.

            you see history is repeating itself and the same players withholding protection are still alive and well using the same arguments and same bible…. only to be on the same side of history as their forefathers. in fact some of those forefathers are still alive today.

          • pastoredsmith

            Keep telling yourself these lies if it makes you feel better. I mean, what’s a few more lies anyway?
            Homosexuality has always been looked at as what it is. A sinful and destructive lifestyle. And, my statement is not from politicians…..I don’t listen to them any more. They lie more than atheists do.

          • Peter Leh

            “Keep telling yourself these lies if it makes you feel better”

            i am open for correction, preacher.

            i was not aware referencing history and noting the same pattern would be considered a lie.

            ” if it walks like a duck, and talks like a duck….”

            “And, my statement is not from politicians…..I don’t listen to them any more”

            you sure seem to be repeating them verbatim 🙂

          • Peter Leh

            “They lie more than atheists do.”

            BTW preacher, being a chirstian and being involved in ministry for 34 years i have heard and seen quite a number of “christians” lie as well. 🙂

            most begin with” after much prayer and supplication…”

            or

            ” the lord has laid it on my heart…”

            or my favorite: “the lord is calling me to ministry at another church.” 🙂

            jump in brother the water of humanity is warm. 🙂

    • Peter Leh

      I would like to see the christian persecution in the US. Missionaries laugh and are repulsed at what we think is “persecution” 🙂

  • pastoredsmith

    Well, somebody in the US needs one besides Obama.

  • Bobby Mae

    I hope this site posts articles on the pastor who just got caught on a gay hookup app, as well as the Duggar son that just got accused of molesting young girls (including his little sisters).

    • Josey

      do you have proof of these accusations? You don’t even know these people you are accusing, I don’t know them other than a t.v. show so stop spreading accusations unless you witnessed it yourself, personally I think you are a petty little person to come on here saying such things. I usually don’t read your posts because you are nothing more than a stalker of Christian sites spouting nonsense but this post of yours caught my attention. God will judge you for these things.

      • Bobby Mae

        He admitted it… And you can read the police reports

      • Parque_Hundido

        Do you defend all child molesters? Or only the ones with TV shows?

  • MisterPine

    Someone’s already LET you run wild, and near a computer as well. They need to have you on a tighter leash.

  • MisterPine

    You’ve been saying judgement is coming for a long time and it never comes. I suggest you are wrong.

    Also, regardless of your hatred for Catholics, they are Christians. In fact they were Christians long before you were.

  • Richard

    It’s wise to be discriminating against sin. God expects that of those who love him. To force Christians to condone sin is being complicit with sin.

    Gov. Jindal is a good example of standing up for God’s values. We can aspire to do the same.

    • Bobby Mae

      Richard was that you who just got busted on grindr?

      • Richard

        It doesn’t take long to see why God hates sin…and why he doesn’t tolerate it in heaven.

        • Bobby Mae

          So it was? Lol lighten up

          • Richard

            Making light of sin is never a good idea. God takes it seriously, and you will too when you realize the majesty of God and the consequences of sinning against him.

          • amostpolitedebate

            I’m still not hearing a “no”… >_>’

        • weasel1886

          What other sins should we be discriminating against?

          • Josey

            Discriminate against?? All sin should be rejected and a conscience that God gave to everyone of us whether one believes the bible or not, God has put into every human being a conscience, even those who have not heard the gospel of Jesus, that He saves still have a conscience of right and wrong, it is a law to themselves. You will be judged before God for your advocating sin unless the grace and mercy of God shows you repentance before you die physically and face God. Anyone who rejects such a great salvation and sacrifice that Jesus made over 2,000 yrs ago is destined to follow satan and the other rebellious fallen angels into Hell.

          • weasel1886

            Since rejecting Jesus is a sin all Jews and other faiths should have no protections? How about people that charge interest on loans?

        • Josey

          We will live eternally in Heaven. God’s original design for Adam and Eve was that they didn’t give into temptation and sin causing the fall of the human race for one reason they were created eternal beings not just spiritually but physically thus the reason that satan lied to Eve telling her “hath God said in the day you eat of this fruit that you would die?” Satan wasn’t referring to a physical death tho that came too but he was referring to a spiritual death which is what happened. Adam and Eve died spiritually and imagine how wicked men would be if after the sin had they been allowed to live eternally physically, no sin would be beyond their imagination and they would live in that state eternally, hell was made for satan and his followers the fallen angels, wasn’t meant for humans but to an unrepentant heart hell awaits then as well for God is Holy therefore sin cannot be allowed into heaven, that is why God makes us righteous through our faith in the substitution work done on the cross, our sins were transferred to Jesus, every sin we commit or will ever commit was laid on Jesus. It is up to each individual of consenting age to either accept what God did through the work on the cross or to deny it, that is what will send a person to hell.

          • StereoMan

            How sad you believe all that. How sad you believe in a torturous hell.

    • weasel1886

      So we should outlaw banks that charge interest since that is a sin in the Bible?

    • Paul Hiett

      Do you wear your white sheets while you type, or just during special “gatherings”?

    • weasel1886

      I thought executive orders were the tool of Satan?

      • BarkingDawg

        Only when Obama does it.

    • weasel1886

      I see you are one of those sniveling little cowards that hides their posts

  • Peter Leh

    window dressing in prelude to the inevitable

  • Peter Leh

    lol

    if you have had your stomach in knots over politics I suggest you get out.

    i did. it is so freeing.

  • TheDemonDance

    “If society’s views on marriage are going to change—if the Supreme Court declares there is a right to same-sex marriage—we have to do all we can to ensure that religious liberty is not a casualty of that new and emerging idea,” he told reporters.
    Correction, society’s views on marriage are not changing. This issue is being forced upon society by liberal swine and the queer agenda. Society votes against it, and then homosexual and liberal judges overturn the will of the people. End of story…

    • Paul Hiett

      Society once voted in favor of Jim Crow laws. Was the “will of the people” right then?

      • Josey

        That is not the same thing and you know it, sick of you using that as an excuse!

        • StereoMan

          Not the same thing but similar.

    • weasel1886

      The only swine are people that use religion to hurt people and denigrate others. Conservative Christians come to mind.

  • The Last Trump

    Persecution?!
    Who said anything about persecution?

    Easy there, fella. You’re starting to lose it.
    I was talking about folks changing laws by decree. Executive orders.
    Not by voting or democratic representation.
    What in the world are YOU talking about?!

    There, there Paul. Everything’s going to be alright. The United States is still embracing godlessness and sexual immorality with breakneck speed. This “victory” will just turn out to be a temporary and minor setback.
    The laughing stock of the world, Bizarro America, has fully embraced debauchery and depravity and is headed for inevitable ruin.
    And you and yours couldn’t be happier! Absolutely incredible.

    • amostpolitedebate

      It’s true! It doesn’t matter what sort of tantrum Christians throw at this point because they’ve already lost. Thanks Trump! :3

  • UmustBKiddinMe

    “Louisiana Lawmakers Reject Religious Freedom Bill, Governor Overrides With Executive Order”

    Well, first off, they didn’t “reject” the bill. They tabled it. Second, Jindal did “override” it. You can’t “override” legislation that hasn’t been passed. Third, Jindal’s executive order didn’t put in place the same things that the bill would have. Finally, his EO does not have the force of law, like the bill would have had.

    Other than that, the headline was accurate. Oh, wait, there wasn’t anything else in the headline.

  • UmustBKiddinMe

    “Well how bout that!”

    Yes, “how bout” that hypocrisy. He derides the president for issuing EOs rather than congress passing legislation, then he does the same thing.

  • BarkingDawg

    Jindal’s EO does what, exactly?

    He can’t change existing federal or state laws.

  • BarkingDawg

    Pee-yoosh keeps trying to suck up to the Bubbas.

  • WorldGoneCrazy

    Praise God! It was absolutely necessary.

    300 reasons the Gay “Wrongs” Movement is more KKK than MLK (take the space out):

    http://barbwire .com/2014/07/07/300-examples-read-understand-meant-term-homofascism/

    Watch out for the Gaystapo too:

    https://www .facebook .com/GayActivistsarehypocrites/timeline?ref=page_internal

  • Josey

    There are many reasons a minister might not marry two people even male and female such as ministers who require a couple under go counselling before tying the knot, the minister can refuse if he thinks two people are rushing into such a commitment and may ask they take more time, that in and itself doesn’t have a thing to do with same sexes getting married but has to do with the minister taking responsibility before Christ insuring the couple fully understand their taking vows before God and with America’s divorce rate, it is wisdom on the part of the minister to take such a stand.
    My point being the minister going by his beliefs has his reasons for postponing or denying to marry a couple and they are not punished for following those beliefs, you never hear about those cases probably because those cases are rare. So why aren’t they being punished for choosing not to marry same sex individuals as it clearly goes against the Bible ‘God’s word’ to do so and goes against the true minister of Christ conscience? This whole thing has gotten way out of hand! I am sure with so much apostasy going on in churches, there are plenty of those who call themselves ministers and plenty of justices of peace who are willing to marry same sexes so why punish those who choose not to since it violates their faith? Seems to me it’s just another attack against Bible believing Christians, trying to get them to conform. God forbid any child of God go against God and conform to this worlds ever changing rules for God never changes, neither do his commands or statues, He’s the same yesterday, today and forever! I pray for Christians everywhere that God give them the strength and boldness to stand firm in God’s word regardless of what any state or federal government says even if it means losing their tax exemption. Isn’t it God who provides for us? I pray Christians will support their ministers and churches financially who make this stand, God’s word tells us to take care of those who feed our spirits by meeting their physical needs and that doesn’t mean buying them anything and everything. A true minister of Christ will be content with what he has been given for today and that is enough as Jesus said not to worry about tomorrow. If God so feeds the sparrow and our lives are more to God than birds so shall he meet our needs.

  • Taussig

    poor widdle baby