Legal Org Tackles Atheist Group’s Goal to ‘Permanently Bench’ University Football Chaplains

football game pdA national legal organization is fighting back a prominent atheist activist group that recently sent letters to over 20 secular universities in its goal to have its football chaplains “permanently benched.”

As previously reported, the Wisconsin-based Freedom from Religion Foundation (FFRF) released a 25-page report last week in which it takes issue with the idea of football chaplains, stating that “Christian coaches and chaplains are converting football fields into mission fields.”

“Coaches, players, and even chaplains can worship as they want. They can go to church, read the Bible, and pray as often as they like. Nothing prevents them from doing so,” the report reads. “But they cannot use a publicly subsidized position at a university to promote their personal religion. Nor can they use the coercive nature and structure of a public football program to mandate, order, or even suggest that players under their control should worship as the coaches wish.”

It lists 15 schools considered by the organization to have “the most flagrant chaplaincies,” the majority of which are in the Bible Belt. They include the University of Tennessee, the University of South Carolina, Louisiana State University and the University of Mississippi.

FFRF said in a corresponding press release that it had sent letters to approximately 20 university officials to explain why it believes that the use of chaplains is unconstitutional.

“It makes no difference if the chaplain is unofficial, not school-sponsored or a volunteer, because chaplains are given access to the team as a means for coaches to impose religion, usually Christianity, on their players,” the organization wrote in its correspondence. “Under the circumstances, the chaplain’s actions are attributable to the university and those actions are unconstitutional.”

Among the universities who were sent the letter and report include Auburn University in Alabama, the University of Georgia and the University of Missouri.

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But the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ) in Washington, D.C. says that it is now pushing back against FFRF and will be sending letters to all of the universities to tell them that the atheist organization’s assertions are inaccurate.

“[T]hese atheists are anything but freethinkers. They do not support freethinking,” wrote Joseph Williams of the ACLJ in a post on Friday. “Instead, they attack things they don’t like, such as chaplains for football teams where adults voluntarily agree to participate in faith-based events and meetings.”

“FFRF is calling football team chaplains ‘religious discrimination’ and players and coaches praying together an ‘unholy alliance.’ The ACLJ has successfully defeated FFRF claims like these before because the Constitution does not mean what the FFRF thinks it means,” he continued.

Williams said that he disagrees with FFRF’s recommendation to colleges and universities that they hire secular counselors instead of spiritual ones.

“Just as they’ve done before, the FFRF attacks traditional faiths and wants to replace them with their radical, leftist, secular orthodoxy,” he stated.

“Here at the ACLJ, we are fighting back. We are preparing comprehensive legal letters to let each of these college football programs know what their Constitutional rights are,” Williams said. “We are fighting the angry atheist attacks on every front. We are standing up for the Constitution and for the religious rights of football players from coast to coast as the new season begins.”


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  • The Last Trump

    “revoked the volunteer credentials of a local pastor after he did not feel comfortable with signing an agreement not to refer to homosexuality as sinful.”
    Good man. Well done.
    Test passed. Next.

    • Russ Westbrook

      Not quite. For the sake of the Gospel there needs to be a legal challenge. Evil cannot and should not ever, under any circumstance, be allowed to keep the field uncontested. Christ rightfully rules over all.

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    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Beautifully put, Trump.

      Now, let’s solve some big issues today: we are up to LGBTQI in this article. I have proposed “LGBTQWXYZ.” The “I” is new to me. How about “AB….G.I..L….Q..T…..Z?” The alphabet soup if really testing me on this. Do you have any suggestions for how we can best express the deep-seated emotional and irrational need for achieving victimhood status coupled with homofascism?

  • Maria Wilson

    I am glad that the pastor is standing his ground and no law should stop them from telling God’s truth .Whoever made this lawless godless law about IMMORAL homosexual rights will be responsible before God ,His judgment will come on them soon.

    • amostpolitedebate

      You don’t see anything unseemly about forcing vulnerable kids to hear homophobic propaganda?

      Why not just preach everything but that part? Is hating gay people really so central to Christianity that it can’t survive without it?

      • Homer for God

        “You don’t see anything unseemly about forcing vulnerable kids to hear homophobic propaganda?”

        You call it propaganda, we call it the truth as it’s always been since God created the earth, We teach it in hopes that that one they they (and yourself) will answer the call and the knock on your heart. Only then will you be granted the same wisdom and understanding that God has designated sex to be between a man and a woman who are married in the eyes of God. Anything outside of that is sin. Sin in God’s eyes is equal in all measure. Not one sin is greater then another. Jesus paid the price of those sins for you to have eternal life. Our price is a small price to pay for believing in Him. No force there, only choice.

        “Is hating gay people really so central to Christianity that it can’t survive without it?”

        I do not know if someone who claimed to be Christian sinned against you without remorse or against someone you love or whatever lead you to believe what you just replied, but I am truly sorry for that pain and I will keep you in my prayer.

        Anyone but anyone who hates another person for any reason, whether they say they are a true follower of Christ ( i.e. Woodsboro, false religions, etc), or not (atheists, most LGBTS,most left, or all the above and more) do not follow God, because God is love.

        The question you need to ask is “How can love hate?”

        The answer is it can’t thus God can’t, Jesus can’t, True followers and disciples strive every day not to. We are taught to love unconditionally as God does and do not participate with or support sin (action), not sinner. These are the commandments that we follow in order to be given eternal life. Small thing to ask for, but unfortunately for someone who is blinded to the truth that sort of small request is too complicated to follow. For me and others on this site, it is common sense.

        Last thing I’ll leave you with before I finish:

        Twice in the Bible it is written that Pontius Pilate gave the crowd a decision to let Barabbas (a known criminal who has damaged and destroyed countless lives) or Jesus (Clean record, teacher, minister) go and the crowd choose Barabbas, Why? because the chief priests and elders convinced them that Jesus was spreading false lies through His teaching and the crowed believed them.
        Jesus not only foretold this to his disciples, He foretold that these events would be mirrored today.
        It’s not hard to see that today’s society is that crowd. Pontius Pilate is our Government. The elders and chief priests are our atheists, liberal media, and most religious leaders. Barabbas is represented by the LGBT, pro-abortionists, those who hate for the sake of hate and those who intentionally commit sin to spite God, Lastly, Jesus is represented by His true followers and disciples.
        Our government (Pilate) has given society (the crowd) the same choice. Liberal media, atheists, religious leaders who have accepted and welcome same sex marriage as well as promoting,and supporting other sinful acts (the elders and Chief priests) have convinced the crowd (our society) to allow these sinful, life destroying, soul damning acts (Barabbas) to continue arguing victim stance (“Christians hate Gay people”), and whatever justification they can think of , and to crucify the true followers of Christ (Jesus). Why? They do not want to believe Christ’s true teachings and they want to make sure others don’t as well. We are not on a literal cross but we are taking the same passive resistant suffering. It’s happening by the removal of the symbols from our government buildings and prayer from our schools. That is only the beginning as day by day more laws will be passed to suppress and expression of God or His Word anywhere.
        Jesus said that once that happens, rapture, armageddon and judgement day will happen. It’s not a matter of if but when.
        I pray this helps you in any way (even if it doesn’t).
        God Bless

        • KenS

          ‘We are taught to love unconditionally as God does and do not participate with or support sin (action), not sinner. These are the commandments that we follow in order to be given eternal life.”

          These are the commandments that we follow in order to be a good, faithful servant to Our LORD, and Savior God and to be a good witness for him, but not to be given eternal life. Eternal life is a free gift of God to all that will accept it by repenting(turning from) their sin and believing that he died on the cross and rose again on the third day thus getting the victory over sin and death. The Gospel of Christ is this: The death, burial, and resurrection of Christ for your sin.

          • Homer for God

            No dispute. Completely agree! God Bless!

          • KenS

            thanks, May God Bless you as well.
            Had a wonderful day in church yesterday teaching the kids in children’s church about the day of Pentecost and the first time the Holy Spirit indwelled in man permanently and how 3000 souls were saved and baptized and became new church members starting the first New Testament Church. I talked about how it was an exciting time. The kids were excited and asking great questions, which the Holy Spirit guided me to the answers they needed to hear.

      • http://www.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us Joseph A. Nagy, Jr

        If you leave out even one part you aren’t preaching the whole gospel. Simple as that.

        • Goape

          Your statement is simple and obviously true (one part is by definition not the whole of anything), but it is unbearably delusional to imply that anyone actually preaches the whole gospel. If that were true, one would expect hordes of incensed Christians demanding they be allowed to openly proclaim hatred towards people that eat shellfish, wear mixed fabric, have tattoos, get divorced, or trim their beards. Instead, we only see Christian outrage at the yucky gays. You should really be asking yourself why this is the case.

          • BalancedApproach

            WoW, you just displayed how ignorant you are about the Gospels.

          • Goape

            Classic passive-aggressive dismissal. If you think I’m ignorant, please feel free to engage in a productive dialogue. But if you just want to sound desperate and play with random capitalisation then, please proceed.

          • BalancedApproach

            I’m dismissive because it is clear you do not have never read, do not understand, and have no desire to learn what the Gospels truly say. For example, your reference to “hatred towards people that eat shellfish, wear mixed fabric, have tattoos, get divorced, or trim their beards” is not from the Gospel’s, but from the Old Testament. That’s just a start. If you can’t even ascribe those prohibitions to the correct testament, then you clearly have no interest in truly learning what is meant.

            To understand the teachings of the Bible, you have to read it with an open heart, studying to know the truth. For example, while God hates divorce, he does allow it. In the Gospels Christ said it’s not what we put into our mouths, but what comes out of it that defiles. In the Gospels he still preached against homosexuality, adultery, whoremongering, etc. But even that is not the point. The point is that we are all sinners who must recognize we are sinners, who must ask for forgiveness and repent if we are to be saved by the Blood of Christ.

            None of us are perfect, none of us ever will be perfect (in this world), but we are to repent, which means we must recognize sin for sin and do our best to not live in a world of sin. Homosexuals living a homosexual life are not recognizing their sin as sin and therefore cannot, by definition, be repentant.

            The problem with homosexual relationships (and even most heterosexual relationships for that matter) is that they put SEX at the center of the purpose for their relationship. Sex is their god (well, for lesbians most would argue that power is at the center of their choice, but that’s another discussion all together) and as long as they have any other god before the Lord God, they are living an unrepentant, condemned life.

            There, I hope that was clear enough for you.

          • Goape

            I never mentioned the gospels; I didn’t need to. I was referring to the book of Leviticus (by the way, you should only capitalize the word ‘gospels’ if you are referring to a specific gospel or you are an overzealous nut who thinks that everything that has anything to do with God needs to be capitalized, just in case he wants to take offense). I would have thought that was obvious—no, I still do think that was obvious. You just felt the need to call me ignorant for something. There you go again, looking all desperate.

            I asked why there isn’t similar outrage for things that are denounced in a similar way to homosexuality. You seem to want to avoid any self inspection. When I ask a simple question about a perceived hypocrisy you deflect with: uhuh, stupid. That’s not even a gospel. This is childish and irrelevant.

            The rest of your post consists of bald-faced assertions and preachy nonsense, which opines that I can’t possibly understand your mysterious book until I already believe it, hook line and sinker. Don’t you think that sounds a little too convenient, and pathetic?

            Edit: Apologies. I did mention the word gospels, as it had already been mentioned incorrectly. Please try to overlook this horrible, horrible mistake and attempt to engage with the substance of my comment, which still stands.

          • BalancedApproach

            Just copying and pasting from the post to which I originally replied…. “…but it is unbearably delusional to imply that anyone actually preaches the whole gospel. If that were true, one would expect hordes of incensed Christians demanding they be allowed to openly proclaim hatred towards people that eat shellfish, wear mixed fabric, have tattoos, get divorced, or trim their beards”

            You lumped it all together.

            Our book is not mysterious, but you won’t understand it until you decide to read it with an open mind and an open heart. It has to be read applying precept upon precept, here a little, there a little; read circumspectly, not in bits and pieces.

            I will admit my first response could have been more thought out, and for that I apologize.

            Oh, and by the way, I was referring to the Gospels as in the four book division of the New Testament always referred to as the Gospels. Therefore, I used capitalization properly.

          • Goape

            You lumped it all together.

            You caught me. Please see my previous post for an apology. Now, feel free to mosey on back to the conversation. I’m calling out Christianity’s selective outrage, which you can only seem to ignore.

            Our book is not mysterious, but you won’t understand it until you decide to read it with an open mind and an open heart.

            What kind of expression was on your face when you typed this?

            Oh, and by the way, I was referring to the Gospels as in the four book division of the New Testament always referred to as the Gospels. Therefore, I used capitalization properly.

            Nope. Your intentions (which were obvious) don’t mean a thing to grammar. You used ‘gospels’ as a noun, not a part of a title (like ‘Gospel of Mark’), which would then require capitalization. Feel free to learn from this, but don’t bother me with more on the subject. You can take it up with the universally-agreed upon tenets of modern English.

          • BalancedApproach

            I won’t bother with you any more after this reply as you’re not worth the time nor the effort. So you may have the last word.

            It is not selective outrage (it may be by some, but not by myself or MOST others I know). You may prefer to frame it that way, but that is YOUR decision.

            When referring to the “Gospels”, you capitalize. You capitalize Gospel when referring to a particular book, as in, “the Gospel of Matthew” or when referring to the four books of the Gospels. I was clearly referring to the plural Gospels and not the gospel.

            If grammar and supposition of the faces I make are all you can come up with then so be it.

          • getstryker

            Your comment: “I won’t bother with you any more after this reply as you’re not worth the time nor the effort” . . . is certainly the conclusion I have come to also . . . until they are ‘spiritual ready’ . .
            Great responses here and in other comments you’ve made. God Bless you and yours.

          • Jane Doe

            WOW WOW is that your total sentence structure?
            WOW

          • BalancedApproach

            I was clearly more articulate in my follow on comments; too bad you did not take the time to read them before posting your foolish comment.

          • Homer for God

            If there is hate then there is no God…simple. God is love…simple. God is incapable to show or teach hate…simple. Hatred comes from satan. Christians who claim to follow God and hate fellow man are not Christians…simple. Read my reply to almostpolite below
            God Bless

          • LadyGreenEyes

            Are you claiming that calling homosexuality a sin is hate?

          • Homer for God

            I’m sorry I reread my statements and I do not see where your question is coming from. I’ll answer anyway: No That’s not what I am saying at all. I don’t preach hate, satan does. I am saying is homosexuality (or the acts of) is sin, and true followers of Christ neither participate in nor support that sin. Nothing more or less from that.
            God Bless

          • LadyGreenEyes

            Thanks for clarifying. The portion of your comment to which that was directed is this – “Hatred comes from satan. Christians who claim to follow God and hate fellow man are not Christians…simple.”

          • getstryker

            Seriously??? Are you so lacking in biblical understanding and knowledge as to not realize that the dietary and ceremonial laws you refer to applied to the ancient Hebrews and NOT to Christians after Jesus came? If you had any discernment you would know that Jesus fulfilled the law. The outrage against homosexual sin is based on both Old and New Testament scripture and teaching. As usual, you anti-theists run your mouths without ever seemingly engaging you brains or you should recognize that the ‘hatred’ you sense is only what you project yourselves against Christians. Sad!

          • Goape

            As usual, you anti-theists run your mouths without ever seemingly engaging you brains or you should recognize that the ‘hatred’ you sense is only what you project yourselves against Christians. Sad!

            Jesus. I must have projected a lot of hatred onto you, then. Because I’m sensing that you’re about to have a heart attack.

          • Jane Doe

            Your ignorance referring to shellfish show that you are a Atheist person who looks for something that they don’t understand and use that as proof that the Bible is not correct.
            If you can understand this the mention was due to a dietary that
            both Jews and muslims had/have like NOT EATING PORK. Can you comprehend that or are you too dumb?l

          • http://www.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us Joseph A. Nagy, Jr

            To disagree with something and call it sin is not hate. Please learn the difference.

        • Jade

          If you want to use your Bible as a weapon, then you better preach that the Biblical definition of marriage being “one man and one or more women with or without their consent”. Also preach that there is currently no one in heaven or hell. Every person who has died is currently in their graves waiting for the 2nd coming of Jesus. Some of the dead have been there a long time!

          • BalancedApproach

            You think you’re doing a fine job of twisting scripture, but all you’re doing is making yourself look REALLY stupid.

          • Dave_L

            “IN the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1, KJV 1900)

            Where did the “heaven” go?

            “I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.” (2 Corinthians 12:2, KJV 1900)

            So, according to Paul, there are three heavens.

            The Third Heaven where Jesus is now with Abraham and all of the faithful.

            The starry heavens

            and the firmament God created on the second day He called heaven surrounding the earth where birds fly.

          • http://www.joseph-a-nagy-jr.us Joseph A. Nagy, Jr

            You have no clue what you are talking about.

      • Fletch

        Why is it the Gay community throws the word hate or haters towards all Christians? I don’t know ANY true followers of Christ who hates anyone. We certainly don’t agree with your chosen lifestyle but we certainly don’t hate you. We do want everyone to come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ because one day every knee shall bow.

      • Josey

        This article says these kids were abused sexually and they came to this youth pastor for help and that he was the right man for the job as he had gone through the same things as a child and God brought him out of those horrible experiences healed. Where is he forcing anything on these kids? If anyone was forcing things on these kids, it was their abusers!

      • LadyGreenEyes

        You don’t see anything unseemly about forcing vulnerable kids to hear homosexual propaganda? Happens in the schools all the time.

      • Jane Doe

        APPARENTLY IT WORKED ON YOU THE HOMOS / GAY GENETIC THING.
        You are so confused you people can’t tell if its a penis or a cucumber hanging or a vagina or rubber penis’s and of course you thing sticking your fist up someone’s Arse where you are suppose to poop is OKAY!!
        Yup your indoctrination gave you a very healthy thought pattern
        It’s not just Christians talking it’s God’s talking and saying your acts are an abomination !!! BUT you and your ilk only want your sexual actions to be fulfilled! YUG

        • amostpolitedebate

          You’re post reminds me of a fascinating series of youtube videos called “Why are you so angry?”. I’d highly recommend them to anyone reading.

          ht tps://ww w.youtube.c om/watch?v=ExEHuNrC8yU

    • John_33

      I shouldn’t be surprised, but it’s so ironic that they are telling pastors what previous generations told the prophets. “Prophesy not unto us right things, speak unto us smooth things, prophesy deceits:” ~ Isaiah 30:10

      • Jane Doe

        Yup I think Jesus is coming for his saints soon. and the rest WELL THEY WILL LIVE WITH WHAT THEY CREATED.
        Just wait until the muslims come the LBGT will NOT survive their swords.

    • AJ2

      Amen!

  • Homer for God

    If they don’t want homosexuality to be referred to as sinful, then they need to toss out all the Bibles there too. Praise the pastor for standing his ground.
    God Bless

    • Jade

      If you want to use your Bible as a weapon, then you better preach that the Biblical definition of marriage being “one man and one or more women with or without their consent”. Also preach that there is currently no one in heaven or hell. Every person who has died is currently in their graves waiting for the 2nd coming of Jesus. Some of the dead have been there a long time!

      • Dave_L

        “IN the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.” (Genesis 1:1, KJV 1900)

        Where did the “heaven” go?

        “I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.” (2 Corinthians 12:2, KJV 1900)

        So, according to Paul, there are three heavens.

        The Third Heaven where Jesus is now with Abraham and all of the faithful.

        The starry heavens…

        and the firmament God created on the second day He called heaven surrounding the earth where birds fly.

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          OMG – one of your best ever! I LOVE how you used the first verse to destroy that argument!

          “For the scientist who has lived by his faith in the power of reason, the story ends like a bad dream. He has scaled the mountains of ignorance, he is about to conquer the highest peak; as he pulls
          himself over the final rock, he is greeted by a band of theologians who have been sitting there for centuries.” ― Robert Jastrow, God and the Astronomers

        • Jade

          Where did the “heaven” go?
          It never went anywhere because it was referring to the “sky” where birds fly. Still there Dave L.
          Before Paul’s hallucination/dream, he states that his boasting (bragging) is all so FOOLISH but he wants to go on boasting. He sounds rather pathetic to me.

          • Dave_L

            God created the third heaven upon the first day. “In the beginning God created the heaven.” This refers neither to the atmosphere nor the firmament, which were created subsequently, but to this heaven which is also called the heaven of heavens (1 Kings 8:27), the third heaven (2 Cor 12:2), Paradise (by comparison) (Luke 23:43), the Father’s house (John 14:2), and on high (Heb 1:3)

            WILHELMUS a BRAKEL, T. F. (n.d.). THE CHRISTIAN’S REASONABLE SERVICE.

            “But will God indeed dwell on the earth? behold, the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain thee; how much less this house that I have builded?” (1 Kings 8:27, KJV 1900)

            “I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven.” (2 Corinthians 12:2, KJV 1900)

            “And Jesus said unto him (the believing thief on the cross), Verily I say unto thee, To day shalt thou be with me in paradise.” (Luke 23:43, KJV 1900)

            “In my Father’s house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.” (John 14:2, KJV 1900)

            “Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;” (Hebrews 1:3, KJV 1900)

      • Homer for God

        ” If you want to use your Bible as a weapon..”

        Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the SWORD of the SPIRIT which is the WORD OF GOD

        “then you better preach that the Biblical definition of marriage being “one man and one or more women with or without their consent”

        Jesus made the matter clear and final when he said one man one woman. It’s not my job to show you where it is said in the Bible but your job to discover that yourself. I believe you message relates to the OT laws, and that subject has been discussed too many times here.

        “Every person who has died is currently in their graves waiting for the 2nd coming of Jesus. Some of the dead have been there a long time!”

        That I’ll agree with, but for them, the second coming will be instantaneous. Praise God and his infinite power!!!!
        there are many reliable sources you can go to to help you understand all of this.
        God Bless

        • Jade

          I am glad that you agree that the dead are waiting in their grave and not in heaven and hell. Most Christians cannot accept what the Bible says about death. The dead would have no awareness (they know nothing) and the 2nd coming of Jesus would seem
          instantaneous to them even if it took many thousands of years for it to occur.

          All Jesus has been quoted as saying is the repeat of “a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united in one” from Genesis. Does this mean in marriage or sexually? Paul says in 1 Corinthtians 6:16 “when a man joins himself to a prostitute, he becomes one body with her. For the scripture say, the two are united into one”. Doesn’t sound like marriage as much as it does the sexual act? I don’t think the man plans to marry the prostitute. So the matter is not as CLEAR as you would like it to be.

          • Homer for God

            ” All Jesus has been quoted as saying is the repeat of “a man leaves his father and mother and is joined to his wife, and the two are united in one” from Genesis. Does this mean in marriage or sexually?

            I have learned by observing many common beliefs that the wife or “bride” is His holy faithful church, so that meaning would be metaphorical in context.

            ” Paul says in 1 Corinthians 6:6 “when a man joins himself to a prostitute, he becomes one body with her. For the scripture say, the two are united into one”. Doesn’t sound like marriage as much as it does the sexual act? I don’t think the man plans to marry the prostitute. So the matter is not as CLEAR as you would like it to be.”

            I usually don’t call people out, but you are quoting the wrong text. The correct verse , 1 Corinthians 6:6, READS:

            But brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers! NKJV
            If any of you has a dispute with another, do you dare to take it before the ungodly for judgment instead of before the Lord’s people NIV
            But instead, one Christian sues another-right in front of unbelievers! NLT

            Study before you fight.

            Ephesians 6:10-18 (NIV)

            The Armor of God

            10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God, so that you can take your stand against the devil’s schemes.12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one.17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.
            18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests.With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the Lord’s people.
            God Bless

          • Jade

            Sorry, the verse I am referring to is 1 Corithians 6:16. Typo!

          • Jade

            Homer, it doesn’t seem like you want to comment on the corrected verse, 1 Corinthians 6:16. Why not?

          • Homer for God

            Ok, but I don’t think you’ll like it. If you expand that chapter instead of focusing on one verse you will see this:

            12 “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial.“I have the right to do anything”—but I will not be mastered by anything.13 You say, “Food for the stomach and the stomach for food, and God will destroy them both.” The body, however, is not meant for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 14 By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also. 15 Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never! 16 Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, “The two will become one flesh.”[b] 17 But whoever is united with the Lord is one with him in spirit.[c]
            18 Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body. 19 Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; 20 you were bought at a price.Therefore honor God with your bodies.

            I can try to break this down for you the best way I can even though it cannot be more clearer then that. here is the best example I can think of:
            My path God has laid out here on earth is one of a servant’s position. I have worked in food service for most of my life as an employee and as a manager. I hope you know that in the back of most restaurants are where they keep all of their product (food, chemicals, paper). Everyday, no matter what restaurant, there is at least one to two hours dedicated to prep. That way the store will be ready to go to serve the general public for the day. The person in charge of prep has a responsibility to make sure the food that is being prepared is up to standards for both the restaurant and health department. The cooks have the same responsibility throughout the rest of the day. Even at the end when it’s time to close, the food storing procedure must be done to the store’s and health department standards. This is to prevent any chemical, biological, and otherwise foreign to infect the food in turn affect the guest who is eating the food. These procedures are posted in the manual, on the wall and taught at training as well. This greatly prevents gusts to fall ill and/or worse, and prevents the store from a lawsuit as well. Common sense right? To you and me and the majority of food service workers, of course, but there are those who choose to ignore those rules. They figure that they can get by with serving a little mold, or they think the rest of the apples are not a spoiled as the one that it’ll be ok to serve them. The result of that thinking is sickness, death and lawsuits toward the store.
            The comparison? God created us flesh and spirit to belong to him. We are prepped and served to help others come to Christ by offering the same salvation we received. He did not create us to be spoiled.These rules are found in the Bible, Church and class. The world (satan) though lies and deception spoiled us by trying to make us believe that sin (any sin. no matter if it’s sex outside the marriage [man and woman}, or murder, or theft), be acceptable as long as it’s not harmful to us others,
            When we accepted Jesus to be our Lord and savior and we were granted salvation, we were bestowed wisdom and a clear mind. We see the world so much differently then we use to do (ask world gone crazy). God of course knew that and showed us that any active participation in sin (the prostitute in this case) or support of sin(abortion, sexual perversion and/or any other sin) means we are part of this world and not of His kingdom.
            Conclusion,if you need the laymans terms, is this, Just like work, school, prison,household, etc. the Lord set out some rules. Some where directly given to man (Moses and the Ten Commandments and Jesus) and some deciphered by man to be able to help explain it better to God’s people ( Paul, David, John and James to name a few) who might get easily confused. You wouldn’t break the rules at work because you know you would be fired. You wouldn’t at school because you can be suspended or expelled. Rule breaking would get you ag-seg in prison. If that is common sense then why is it so hard to follow God’s? Because of two reasons. Either satan has blinded and deceived you to believing the rules don’t apply to you, or you have never been taught properly
            I know I’m missing some points here but I’m tired right now. I do know that everyone’s time here is getting shorter and shorter every day. Keeping the armor is very vital to or Christ like followers and we will keep defending God to Our last fleshly breath. I encourage you to open your heart, let God in and allow him to work wonders for your life as he has done for me and countless others.That’s not hate. That’s God’s love through someone who cares just as deeply as Jesus for you to take their time out to help explain His word to you.
            God Bless

        • LadyGreenEyes

          Right but for the last. Remember what Jesus said to the thief on the cross, that believed in Him. He told that man he would, that day, be with Him in Heaven.

      • jennylynn

        Actually, the bodies are in the graves but the spirits are either with the Lord (in heaven) or in Hades( hell). The lake of Fire is the second death where all souls in hades will go after the great white throne judgemnt and spend eternity. Now Jesus will raise the physical bodies from the graves at the second coming and the believers in CHRIST will have glorified bodies like Jesus who was in the flesh but could walk through walls and we will reign with Him for the Millenium.

        2 Corinthians 5:8
        we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord

        Revelation 20:14
        Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire

    • getstryker

      How about this idea . . . lets keep the Bibles and ‘toss out’ the politicians that voted to pass this asinine legislation. This is only one more step to making a particular group ‘bulletproof’ and able to run over Christian beliefs using the law. If you don’t rise up and ‘sting’ the politicians for their votes . . . this will continue – Fight Back!

  • Bacchus

    Anyone who has read the book of Revelation and the koran should be able to work out that allah of the koran is the devil and Isa of the koran is the anti Christ. tHE KORAN SAYS THAT ALLAH IS THE BEST DECEIVER SO all MOSLEMS ARE DECEIVED.

    • Mr Dave

      What does your statement have anything to do with this article?

  • amostpolitedebate

    Oh no! People can’t feed vulnerable kids in prison bigoted nonsense! This is surely anti-Christian discrimination of the highest order.

  • FoJC_Forever

    It’s only a matter of time until ‘door-to- door’ arrests are made on those who refuse to accept homosexuality as being normal and not harmful, if the current trend continues. The arrogance of feminism and homosexuality continues to spread like cancer in America and the world.

    Just rejecting homosexuality isn’t enough to obtain Eternal Life. Call upon Jesus and He will save from all Sin. Reject human philosophy and vain traditions. Embrace the Power of God and receive His Gift of Righteousness. Humble yourself under the might hand of God, and He will raise you out of Darkness and fill you with His Eternal Light, the Word of God, Jesus (the) Christ.

    Judgement is coming.

    • Dave_L

      “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;” (Titus 3:5, KJV 1900)

      “Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.” (Galatians 2:16, KJV 1900)

      “For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2:8–9, KJV 1900)

      “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.” (John 3:16, KJV 1900)

  • DNelson

    “after he did not feel comfortable with signing an agreement not to refer to homosexuality as sinful.”

    Good for him. If he does not feel comfortable performing the duties of the job as required by his employer, he should turn down the job. Maybe this will serve as an example for county clerks in KY who do not want to issue marriage licenses to two citizens of the same gender.

    • KenS

      Read much? or just not able to comprehend what you read? He was not a worker there, but a volunteer that was helping these kids. Now, these kids our suffering because he is not being allowed to voluntarily help them.

      • DNelson

        Paid or volunteer, he still has to abide by the requirements. If he doesn’t want to, that is his choice.

        “Now, these kids our suffering because he is not being allowed to voluntarily help them.”

        You are assuming that someone else is fulfilling that same role. How do you know that to be true?

        • KenS

          NO, I’m assuming that no one else is fulling that role, hence my statement that the kids are suffering.

          • DNelson

            But you don’t know if they are suffering because you don’t know if there is someone fulfilling the same role.

          • KenS

            I’m basing my assumption on the statement in the article about the kids benefiting from his work and the letters of appreciation that they had sent to this pastor.

          • DNelson

            So you have no idea what is going at the present time and whether or not any kids are suffering, correct?

          • KenS

            correct, the facts in the article seem to point to that, but there is no why to be sure without further info.

          • DNelson

            What facts in the article suggest that no one else has been hired to provide the services?

          • KenS

            The facts suggest that no one who is not willing to not speak the bible verses to these kids, which they are quoted as saying that they help, is going to be hired

          • DNelson

            Please point to any quotes in the article from children saying that the Reverend quoting verses from the Bible regarding homosexuality helped them. Further, cite any quotes from any children saying that the Reverend has helped them at all.

          • KenS

            Did you even read the article?

            Here is the quote:

            “All of these children have asked Mr. Wells if there was any hope for them in this life, and in the life to come. He has told them without exception that Christ can, and would, forgive them, if they would repent and believe the gospel,” the letter outlines. “This message has given them hope, and many have told him this personally and in written correspondence.”

            it is even says that the children have personally told him and wrote him letters telling him that he has helped them by giving them hope. It is right there in plain English.

          • DNelson

            That is the contention put forth in a letter written by Liberty Institute. They provide no proof of their contentions.

            You said: “which they are quoted as saying that they help”

            I’ll ask again: Please point to any quotes in the article from children saying that the Reverend quoting verses from the Bible regarding homosexuality helped them. Further, cite any quotes from any children saying that the Reverend has helped them at all.

          • KenS

            did you not see the quotation marks, that means it is a quote.

          • DNelson

            They were quoting the letter. The letter contained no quotes from children. The letter only made claims.

  • http://www.facebook.com/chuck.anziulewicz Chuck Anziulewicz

    The State of Kentucky should have NO dealings with organizations that treat Gay people this way. Gay people are not criminals (Lawrence v. Texas), and Gay couples are legally eligible to marry (Obergefell).

    • KenS

      Relevance to this article? this article is not talking about gays being criminal or about gay couples being able to get married, I think maybe you meant to post this in a different article?

  • kengie

    What’s the difference between this guy and a sexual predator? Nothing! They both damage and scar for life.

  • ChuckQueen101

    Glad to see the DJJ monitoring this. Good for them.

  • Nidalap

    What do the “Q” and “I” stand for on the end of LGBTQI? I’m quickly losing track of which deviants have joined the train…

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Q is for “queer” or “questioning,” and I is for “intersex.” I have been proposing a new acronym – “ABCD…WXYZ” for victimhood status and state-sponsored homofascism, but, thus far, it has not caught on. 🙂

      • Nidalap

        This reminded me of a news item I read after the whole 50 shades of garbage came out. A college offered housing for “LGBTTQQFAGPBDSM” Here’s where I saw it:

        http ://www;wnd;com/2015/02/wesleyan-university-offers-lgbttqqfagpbdsm-housing/

        Just remove the space and replace the semicolons with periods! 🙂

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          I actually thought you were joking until I read the story. It’s like the stories on abortion these days: it is almost impossible to tell the real thing from the satire anymore.

          • Nidalap

            Too true! I’m assuming that the plan is to gradually add more letters as more deviant behaviors become “normalized”. The 50 shades thing must’ve made them overreach in their excitement…

  • Nidalap

    Would-be tyrants love finding gullible groups like this. All they have to tell them is; “Just help us gain enough power and we’ll destroy your enemies for you!”. All overcome with excitement, they start working tirelessly to shift ever-greater power to the government. Then, once they’ve helped the leaders gain all the power they need, they quickly find themselves to be victims of the very government they’ve enabled.
    “Those who will not learn from history are doomed to repeat it”…

  • So Good!

    Good!

  • jennylynn

    I too once was in a correctional facility and volunteered to see the youth minister. It was these great volunteers that brought me hope with the truth. I would not appreciated someone lying to me or telling me what I wanted to hear this too is sin and everyone will answer to God for lying. This man is in the right, he cannot lie by saying it’s not sin. Nothing can change a person except the power of the Gospel. There is nothing like God’s forgiveness and freedom from the bondage of sin and the lies of the devil that can change a persons life. I think society has become so far gone that they no longer care about truth any longer or what is truly best for the human race, and that is JESUS!

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Beautifully put, jennylynn! God has surely worked many miracles in your life, Sister!

    • LadyGreenEyes

      Glad you were able to hear the truth, and are willing to share your testimony!

  • Frank

    This law or rule or whatever is a violation of the religious constitutional rights of those imprisoned. Those rights are extremely protected by case laws by the boat load. The detention center stands to get sued and lose badly.

  • billjcanada

    The separation clause was written into the constitution to prevent a state established church. By dictating to pastors what they can preach and what they can not preach the state/government is in effect establishing a state religion and this is a blatant violation of the constitution.

  • LadyGreenEyes

    Someone that knows the facts, cares about the kids, and can do them some real good, and he’s banned, eh? Why am I not surprised?