Group Demands Satan, Allah, Odin and Others Be Added to ‘God Bless the Military’ Display

Photo Credit: MRFF

KANEOHE, Hawaii — A group the seeks to separate God from the military is demanding that additional boards be created and erected near a sign that asks God’s blessing on the Armed Forces after a Marine Corps base in Hawaii refused to relocate or remove the display.

As previously reported, the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF) sent an email last month to Col. Sean Killeen, the commanding officer of Marine Corps Base Hawaii, to take issue with a sign near the marina that reads, “God bless the military, their families, and the civilians who work with them.” It was reportedly erected following the September 11th attack of 2001.

Blake Page of MRFF asserted that the sign is a violation of the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution, which reads, “Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” He demanded that the sign either be moved to the chapel or removed altogether.

“This sign is a brazen violation of the No Establishment clause of the Constitution, as it sends the clear message that your installation gives preference to those who hold religious beliefs over those who do not, and those who prefer a monotheistic, intervening God over other deities or theologies,” Blake wrote in the email to Killeen.

After deliberating the matter, Killeen sent a reply to MRFF refusing to relocate or remove the sign.

“Several Supreme Court court cases and other federal cases, to include the 9th Circuit, support the conclusion that the message on the sign does not violate the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution,” he wrote. “‘God bless’ is commonly used in our culture in a number of contexts and there are numerous references to God in this nation’s symbols, songs, mottos and oaths.”

In response, MRFF is demanding that nine other signs be erected next to the existing board, reflecting various other religions from around the world. It says that it had already suggested six previously and was adding another three.

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“On behalf of MRFF’s Church of Satan clients under your command, our clients demand the immediate right to build and display the religious message board appearing in the pictures below which starts with the words ‘Satan Bless,'” wrote President Mikey Weinstein.

He also requested a “All-Glorious Bahá Bless” and “May the Force Be with [Our Military]” sign. Previous board requested included “Allah bless,” “Odin bless” and “Vishnu bless.” Weinstein had additionally asked for a board that reads, “There is no God to bless [our military] … We have each other.”

“Colonel, please reply to this demand of MRFF’s Church of Satan, Bahá’í Faith and Jedi Church U.S. Marine clients who are under your direct command at MCB Hawaii at your earliest opportunity, sir,” he wrote in Monday’s correspondence.

It is not known whether Killeen plans to respond to the demand.

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  • GibbyD

    Mikey the Winey Weinstein, cannot be accommodated with his demand of allowing other phrases from specific named religions because they are not commonly used in our culture in any context and there are no references to those phrases in this nation’s symbols, songs, mottoes and oaths.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      So your argument is that the phrase “God bless…” is just historic and not in any way religious?

      • GibbyD

        Did you read the posted news story by Heather Clark ?—- “Several Supreme Court court cases and other federal cases, to include the 9th Circuit, support the conclusion that the message on the sign does not violate the Establishment Clause of the U.S. Constitution,” he wrote. “‘God bless’ is commonly used in our culture in a number of contexts and there are numerous references to God in this nation’s symbols, songs, mottos and oaths.”

  • Fallenman4Jesus

    Mikey Weinstein is a tool of satan and will face God one day, and then spend eternity in hellfire for his part in promoting satan’s folly. As much as my soul resists, I will pray for him to come to the truth of Jesus Christ and his need for forgiveness.

    • Cosmic Mastermind

      You don’t think God over-reacts a bit? I seem to be a lot more forgiving than him, and I get annoyed at people who whistle in supermarkets.

      • Kelly Samuelson

        How do you figure God is over-reacting? What has he done to support your statement?

        • Names_Stan

          I’m fairly certain he’s referring to what would be an over-reaction if God sent everyone to hell the people here want Him to around here every day.

          • Kelly Samuelson

            God doesn’t ‘send’ people to Hell. People choose not to believe and be saved by His love and grace and so choose to go to Hell on their own. God gave everyone free will. It is not Gods will that anyone should go to Hell. God is so merciful and forgiving that no matter what you have done, if you sincerely ask God to forgive you and confess with your mouth that you believe Jesus died on the cross for your sins and you want him to be lord of your life, you will be forgiven and made new. I don’t know any people as forgiving as that.

          • Names_Stan

            My comment wasn’t from God’s perspective. Notice the ‘if’…

            It was from the perspective of those who presume to make His decisions for Him.

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            Aron Ra made a very creepy comparison of what Heaven would be like under the Christian God; he compared it to an episode of The Twilight Zone, “A Good Life” in which a town is cut off from the outside World and it’s inhabitants live in perpetual terror of a gleefully cruel little boy named Anthony Fremont who has the power of a god and can read people’s minds. Even to think an unhappy thought is to incur his displeasure. He can do anything to anyone and there’s nothing anyone can do about it. You call that Heaven, I call that Hell.

          • Leslie

            Hi Cosmic! I can’t wait until you see what you can’t have Satanist….that’s the whole weeping and gnashing of teeth from across the dark abyss. All this time you’re spending with us will rub off on you, I still have hope for you. God wants your soul back, can you find it? I’ll pray for it to happen.

          • Tmaximus

            You people are so disturbing. So ….what is the point of all the biblical edicts, ie: commandments, etc., if, as you say, ‘no matter what you have done’ …then chant some incantations to your sky wizard and WHOOSH! …you’re beamed up to torment your victims for eternity while stuck with a endless gross diet of milk & honey. The only winner in that equation are the predators who can zoom up there via some ooga booga chanted up to deep space la-la land.

    • Mark Malone

      I sense much butt hurt in you.

  • Ken

    Death to Communists.

  • disciple

    How come its usually a Jew (mickey Weinstein) behind and at the forefront of the persecution of Christians?

    • zaphod1

      My guess is that he’s not ”a Jew” but rather is an atheist.

      • disciple

        Weinstein is about as about as Jewish as you can get, read the Talmud ajewish text for the enslavement and genocide of Christians. Sure he’s an atheist too like Karl Marx. Weishaupt, Lenin,Trotsky, and the rest of the satanic Talmudic jew gang.

    • zaphod1

      Oh yeah Christians in America are Sooooo persecuted. Get over yourself martyr.

  • BillRind

    Weinstein is a communist red jew who was put there by the sodomite to destroy the military, and his mission has been accomplished 100%

  • Southern Patriot

    This is a civil issue brought on by the MRFF. Thus the mere fact that something like this be brought to trial should be thrown out of any lower court, as they do not have subject matter jurisdiction to rule on it. Then if it makes it to the higher courts, the judicial branch doesn’t have the enumerated powers to cast a judgement. Only Congress can. If it did make it to Congress, the 1st amendment protects them from making ANY law regarding the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof (By the way, they are clearly exercising their rights to do so). So in reality, this case should NEVER-EVER see the light of day.

    Sadly however, the courts have usurped their authority, and demons like MRFF will get their totalitarian wish, to control the free flow of God and a country that wishes to express its faith.

    Remember (With this de-facto government), if voting changed anything, it would be illegal.

    • zaphod1

      If God REALLY was concerned (or real) , presumably he would have fixed it by now.

      • Inigmadik

        How dost thou “presume”?!
        YOU are NOT G-d!!!
        Thus how can you “Presume” for Him?!

  • violetteal

    This is BS. This “foundation” is destructive to the US and its military.

  • Dave_L

    This raises a couple of questions; If all of the religions (and atheists) mentioned make up the Military, should Christians be a part of it when Paul so clearly tells us not to be unequally yoked together with unbelievers?

    Also we must question if a Christian should take the Military Oath, promising submission to unbelievers who can only make descisions contrary to Christ in the Sermon on the Mount?

    “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?” (2 Corinthians 6:14–15)

    “But above all, my brethren, do not swear, either by heaven or by earth or with any other oath. But let your “Yes” be “Yes,” and your “No,” “No,” lest you fall into judgment.” (James 5:12)

    • Kelly Samuelson

      As Christians, it is our job to bring non-believers to Christ. How do you expect to do that without being around non-believers? You don’t need to be ‘yoked’ with them. You don’t need a serious relationship with them, but it is our job as disciples of God to lead others to him

      • Kandy


      • Dave_L

        So, taking a “Military Oath” is not being “Yoked” to unbelievers? Please explain.

      • zaphod1

        We non-believers wish you would take a flying leap and stop trying to force your superstitious gibberish on the rest of us and our laws.

        • Inigmadik

          She hasn’t “TRIED TO FORCE” anything on you!!!
          You take a flying leap!!!

    • Josey

      I am married to a non-believer who chooses to stay with me regardless of my faith in Christ, that is being unequally yoked as you say, Paul also talks about that to that I am to stay regardless as long as the unbeliever wants to stay so you have to take God’s word in the context of who is being referred to in a given passage. You can’t take scripture out of context and use it any way you so choose.

      • Kandy

        I will you and your husband in my prayer. Through you he has a great chance of coming to the Lord.

        • Josey

          thank you Kandy, we need the prayers

          • Kandy

            Your welcome. Yes we do.God works through our prayers.

        • Christine

          I hope he brings her to her senses.

          • Kandy

            No.She will lead him to Christ.

          • Inigmadik

            Or – he may be sanctified through her obedience/belief!!!

          • Kandy

            I believe is is through her.

          • Inigmadik

            Yes! Through her obedience he (And her children) can be!!!
            All the gossip and the “You should leave him” – blah, blah, blah and/or “you should leave her” blah, blah, blah is of the DEVIL!!!
            And those that have ruined marriages through ignorance and loose lips will have the blood of those ruined families laid at their feet — as well the vile courts, lawyers etc……
            Forgiveness, Perseverance, Long-Suffering etc…. is what SAVES!!!

          • Kandy


          • Inigmadik


            1 Corinthians 7:12-14

            12 To the rest I say this (I, not the Lord): If any brother has a wife who is not a believer and she is willing to live with him, he must not divorce her. 13 And if a woman has a husband who is not a believer and he is willing to live with her, she must not divorce him. 14 For the unbelieving husband has been sanctified through his wife, and the unbelieving wife has been sanctified through her believing husband. Otherwise your children would be unclean, but as it is, they are holy.

      • Dave_L

        I’m glad you are remaining married, it would be a challenge no doubt. But that is what Paul advises. But, we also know we should not place ourselves into those situations as believers and followers of Christ as Paul says.

        We know from history that Cornelius quit the military after his conversion and became a Pastor of a couple of churches. And many Christians separate from occupations where they are tied up with unbelievers. (I gave up my career and skills for this reason, to follow Jesus.)

        • Josey

          I was already married before accepting Christ as Saviour and I struggled with whether or not to stay as a babe in Christ but in the end I found that according to God’s word and Paul even said it was not he saying it but it was a commandment from the Lord that I had to obey Christ and stay. I would advise anyone who is a Christian to only marry another believer, for it is hard to walk with someone you have no agreement with. Though God has kept me and been faithful through all the difficult times and still is, I love Him more and more for all He has been faithful to me through and there were times I wanted to run and leave but even when we are not faithful He is, He can be nothing else but faithful for that is His character, glory to His name forever!

  • Liz Litts

    Hey Mikey–stick it were the sun don’t shine!

  • Kyle Schumacher

    The opening acts to the one world religion. Brace yourselves.

    • Cosmic Mastermind

      Umm.. isn’t that what you want? Christianity as the only religion?

      • Kyle Schumacher

        haha.. no.. will never be possible until one day after judgement comes. the world religion I’m talking about is an all inclusive, inherently false world religion.

  • Bill

    I got a response.

    A fist to the face. Now shut up and go be your God hating self outside and away from our armed services, whose only real protection is God.

    • Cosmic Mastermind

      You do realize not everyone in the armed services is a Christian?

      • Inigmadik

        But they should be!!!

        • Cosmic Mastermind

          I hope you’re kidding. :-O

          • Inigmadik

            Nope!!! Why should I be kidding, Cosmic Einstein?!

  • afchief

    As one who has served in the military from 1982 to 2005 this was NEVER an issue. The Christian men at places like the Alamo, Iwo Jima, Valley Forge, Ticonderoga, Chattanooga, Beleau Wood, Anzio, the Rhine, Bastogne, in Leyte, in Korea, hundreds of other places in history had ONLY Christian chaplains in the military.

    This comes from the top. This evil man we have put in the White House is turning America upside down. He is truly evil! Isaiah 5:20 is so true today.

    • Cosmic Mastermind

      Or is it possible that there were people around you who were not Christians or not religious at all who kept quiet for fear of bullying?

      • Inigmadik

        “Fear of Bullying?”!
        By who – the Muslims?!
        We didn’t have any in America’s military at that time….
        Only G-dless MORONS are dumb enough to saturate their country with their own enemies so that they are eventually killed/destroyed and enslaved!!!!!

        Go back to the Cosmos!!!!

        • Erinys Trace

          Christians bully non-christians all the time. When you force your beliefs and opinions on the rest of us, it IS a form of bullying Then you guys get mad when we call you out on it and whine about your persecution fantasies. Hint: when 70% of the country is some form of christian, you are the majority and, quite frankly, are not likely to be in the position to be persecuted(as long as you stay in America, of course).

          • Inigmadik

            As I wrote to the Cosmic Moron:

            It was “Enlightened Secularist” that fed Christians and Jews to lions and burnt them as street lights in Rome!!!
            It was Enlightened Secularist’s (And the Jacobins) that SLAUGHTERED THOUSANDS during the French Revolution!!!
            And it is NOW “Enlightened Secularist’s” causing ALL the MURDER and MAHEM around the World — in their FUTILE attempt to bring about some NWO!!!
            You FOOL ME NONE!!!!!

      • afchief


        • Erinys Trace

          Um, I served in the Army from 92 to 98 and I definitely kept quiet about my atheism due to the likelihood of christian bullying disguised as “evangelizing” by higher ranking NCOs or even officers. So, yeah, i know there were others like me. And there still are.

          • afchief

            Nope!!! Remember that oath you took? Apparently not!

            I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

            So help me God.

          • Erinys Trace

            Sorry, you are wrong…there is an alternative oath that leaves off tge “so help me god”, which i took. Although i find it funny that you would deny the existence of Christian bullying by citing a prime example of said christian bullying. If i, as an atheist, am forced to recite a christian oath or a religious oath, then i am the one being persecuted/bullied. My resisting said bullying is just me standing up for myself and doing my best to follow the military code of honor. And seriously, do you really truly think that if I DID say “so help me god” that it would magically mean i was christian? THAT is an argument you even WANT to make? I mean seriously, don’t you as a christian have some kind of standards as to who you want to claim as christian…

          • afchief

            Nope! NEVER say an alternate oath. NEVER!!! The USA was founded on Judea-Christian concepts, despite what you and the far-left’s talking points say. When the first people from the European Continent stepped foot on the New Land, they were escaping from the Church of England. They weren’t free to hold different beliefs than the beliefs of that Church. What was common among them, was the Ten Commandments. No Islam, Buda, atheism, or whatever, was present in the early formation of this Nation. Christianity is reflected in our laws, military and society. We do know the founders were men of conviction and morality. And they were not atheists.

            Christianity has always been the prevalent religion of this Country. Which is why we have always had Chaplains in the military and not imams, wiccans or any other garbage religion. The majority of our Laws are based on Christianity. Same with the UCMJ!

          • Erinys Trace

            You are so fucking wrong, it’s not even funny. You can’t change fucking facts dude. FACT: I am an atheist, I served in the Army, I used the alternate LEGAL oath of induction. FACT: the USA is NOT, and NEVER has been a “christian” nation in the way you envision and the laws are not based on christianity. That is a Lie that you have been sold and is really truly disturbing that you would even believe it. Just because the nation has always been composed of majority christians does not negate the secular framework established by the constitution.

            Article 6 OF OUR CONSTITUTION: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of
            the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers,
            both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by
            oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test
            shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust
            under the United States.


            You can squirm and deny and bear false witness all you want, but it’s there in black and white. If they meant ‘only christians can be part of government service” they would have said that. they didn’t, they said what they meant and established from the start that we are secular not christian.

          • afchief

            Poor little atheist liberal. The truth always hurts, does it not???? Let’s see over 30% of the founders were ministers. Most were religious men. They came here to practice Christianity out from under the control of the King. Remember One Nation Under God”, and all that stuff.

            The Declaration of Independence specifically cites that our rights come from God. The Founders were very particular on that point, because it assured that any government was subject to the authority of God.

            The State is comprised of people; fallible, whimsical people. Our rights are an integral component of our humanity. The State cannot strip of us our rights, since they are God-given. The State can only actively force or passively coerce us into not exercising them. People-driven (or State granted) rights are not rights at all; they are privileges.

            This is NOT what the Founders intended or designed for America.

            History clearly shows that whenever a people reach a certain point of oppression, where working within the system does not achieve happiness or when freedoms are seriously broached, the people will rise up. This is a universal trait of humanity. The Founders were looking for an authority higher than any on Earth as justification for rising up – they chose God.

          • Erinys Trace

            I’m not “hurt” as you so demeaningly put it. I’m pissed off that you are a liar and an ignorant fool who makes me ashamed to even admit out loud that I was ever a part of our armed forces. Your ignorance is embarrassing. The military allowed and encouraged you to get a damn education, you should have at least tried. You misrepresent the country, you misrepresent the constitution and you are a complete disgrace to the uniform.

            As you yourself have admitted, christians are a majority in this country. you can’t say that and turn around crying about how “oppressed” you are. The Founders may or may not have followed God, but you know what? It really doesn’t matter because the constitution, the document you and I swore our oaths to, says so clearly in plain english that you can not deny, that there is no religious test for any public office or duty. That is really the supreme law of this country. We are decidedly secular, it isn’t a “liberal” thing, it is a factual reading of the constitution. You are a liar to deny it…and breaking any oath you have taken to uphold the constitution by insisting otherwise.


          • Cosmic Mastermind

            The Declaration of Independence was not a legal document, although it has come to be considered as such. The Constitution IS a legal document and is 100% secular.

          • Josey

            I am sure there were those who were not Christian but history shows that they were in the minority which is one reason they sought a new place for government that would allow them to worship God freely, so to claim we were secular (godless or servants of satan for there are two sides whether you want to admit it or not) but you will find out the truth one day, I just pray you find out in this life and choose the victorious side, Almighty God’s side found through faith in Jesus Christ alone and because if you do not find this truth out here in this life, the only life left for you in the next one will be an eternity separated from a benevolent God, our Creator, what a sad and tormenting existence that will be but it is your choice and yours alone.

          • Erinys Trace

            lol, why do you worship a hateful narcissistic dictator worse than Kim Jun Il and the like ever thought to be? Fear motivates you that much? Maybe you should join the military and learn to face your fear head on.

            anyway, you are wrong, this is and has always been a secular country. All secular means is that religious people can’t force their religious rules on people who don’t already subscribe to them. THAT is what the people who came to America wanted – freedom from forced, state religion. the US does NOT have a state religion, therefore it is secular. nothing to do with your two petty, powerless godlings

            (and, yes, christians worship 2 gods…four if you add in “the holy spirit and Jesus…catholics add in all their various demigods, ie Mary and the “saints”)

          • Josey

            You ask why I worship God, He took me out of the darkness and translated me into the kingdom of His precious Son Jesus Christ. I was on a road to hell, tormented by demons, a slave to their wishes, into witchcraft and every evil thing and even though I was very angry at God and hated Him because I blamed Him for all that had been done to me and had gone wrong in my life at that time, He showed me mercy, He opened my spiritual eyes and forgave me and brought me to the truth that is in Him alone, I didn’t deserve anything from Him but thankfully it didn’t depend on my worthiness, none of us deserve the love He gave in giving His only begotten Son who bled, died, took our filthy sins upon Himself and now He is sat down at the right hand of the Father, our Creator, He made a way that we would not be sentenced to an eternity of hell that was prepared for the fallen rebellious angels and that is through Jesus His Son and if any human ends up in Hell it is because they rejected the great gift of salvation He has provided. He set me free from torment, cleansed me from wickedness that I was lost in. I love Him much because He forgave me of much and the scripture in Luke 7:47 is truth which says, Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. I love Him so much because He has forgiven me of much!

            And as far as your deceived thinking about Christians worshiping two Gods, you are wrong and do not understand that there is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit, one God in will and purpose but different roles but they are one in agreement.
            And as far as Catholics go, I do not follow anything they teach, I do not worship idols or Mary, the mother of Jesus nor do I pray to for the dead or pray to saints nor do I confess my sins to a man, I go directly and boldly to the throne of God as His word tells me to in Hebrews 4:16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need. A born again child of God can approach His throne boldly and converse with Him anytime and anywhere because God sees Christ covering that child of God so we are able to enter into the Holy of Holies where the veil was rent from top to bottom the moment Christ on the cross said “it is finished.” I pray you keep coming here to this site and that God through His Holy Spirit will show you the truth and what repentance means and how He can change your life as He did for me. He loves you and wants to set you free from the hurt, pain and hatred you are tormented with.

          • Erinys Trace

            I would say that you are the one “deceived”. First off demons don’t exist, so that is all imaginary on your part. I’m glad you found a path that works for you, it holds nothing for me. The Bible is all made up by various people, quoting it proves nothing about god, especially not whether it exists or not. I’m an atheist, i don’t know “for sure” but if god did exist there would be proof. (Easiest proof in the world, that doesn’t do anything to harm free will – ALL religious texts in the world could be changed in a blink to reflect the one and only actual will of god. ALL – the oldest, the newest, no matter what religion they come from…all the same message. That would be physical evidence)

            The doctrine of “the trinity” is ridiculous sophistry. Not even all christians believe it…even after the original non trinitarians were murdered as heretics so, so long ago. Just a little thought would show you that you worship three separate deities that you awkwardly combine in to the trinity…Then you add in satan, the deity of “evil”…that makes four. you may not LIKE it, but that is just an accurate assessment of how christians treat/act on their religion. I know you will continue to deny it, because you want to pretend that three equals one and that satan is “less than” even though you give him so much more power.

            eh, whatever, like I said, i am glad you are happy with you beliefs…they just left me cold because they make no sense.

          • Josey

            No, sadly you are deceived and one day soon you’ll find that out, I hope you find it out and experience God’s grace in this life but that is your choice and I only worship one God not three separate deities as you stated, this scripture reference is one that shows the One God but a different role Jesus as the Word of God took on in order to take our sins upon Himself, the role of redeemer who has experienced everything we ever will and more, John 1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. This refers to Christ Jesus, He is the Word of God made manifest in the flesh as God’s only begotten Son to take our sins upon Himself. An example of One God expressed in the role He took on as the begotten Son of God. And here is a scripture reference to the Holy Spirit that Christ promised to send before He ascended into Heaven to sit down at God’s right hand, John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
            You think you know so much when in reality we know very little as 1 Corinthians 13:12 For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known. And you are wise only in your own eyes, that is a deception from the devil, the father of all lies. Here’s what God thinks of what you think you know: Now I realize here Paul is referring to idols but the part you need to understand is the part where you think you know everything which is a false reality, in comparison to Almighty God we know very little.

            Corinthians 8:1-3 1Now as touching things offered unto idols, we know that we all have knowledge. KNOWLEDGE PUFFETH UP but LOVE edifieth. 2 and if any man think that he KNOWETH anything, he knoweth nothing yet as he ought to know. 3 But if any man love God, the same is known of him.

            You must be born again to understand and then begin the maturing process. God has proven His existence by the things He has made, you being one of His creation for He knit you together in your mother’s womb.

            Romans 1:16-20 16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to everyone that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness; 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

            Here are just a few scripture references to what God has created which will make every living being w/out excuse on that day, you will not be able to claim, “I didn’t know.” God has made Himself clearly know by His creation. Our only salvation comes through Christ Jesus and that is the only admit ticket into those pearly gates and also a happy blessed life here on this Earth. Not to mention every word I have written to you will be brought back to your mind the day you face God if you do not accept God’s salvation in this life which is accepting Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour and I am sure God has used others also to tell you these same things, every word will come flooding back to your mind if you reject them.
            You might not even see another day for we have only today, tomorrow isn’t promised in this life for it can be taken in a moments notice and then you would be before the Living God. At least be smart enough to consider what God has to say today to you, only He knows the future for He knows the end from the beginning. Do you think He sends warnings just to have something to say? Ask God to show you if what I am speaking from His Word is true or not, what do you have to lose by giving God this one day to ask for truth that he can give you in a way only you can understand for He knows you and knows how to give you that truth and He knows what you need and how to show you how much He loves you and wants you in eternity with Him or are you afraid that it is the truth and you would have to change your mindset, it’s easier huh to go on living in deception for the time being, doesn’t require a whole lot of thinking to do that although you consider yourself to know a lot when you do not know much at all, none of us know anything except what God shows us. You act as if you have given time to this atheist mindset though I doubt you have, I think it’s easier for you to continue living in sin by lying to yourself that you are an atheist but just give this one day to asking God for the truth before it’s too late. I don’t think you have much time left for I have spoken to you at length and have felt compelled to do so which is not a thing I do often, especially to one so blasphemous in their words against the one I love more than life itself but God is showing you much mercy through my words, take time to consider them now for you might now get another chance.
            James 4:14 Whereas ye know not what shall be on the morrow. For what is your life? It is even a vapour, that appeareth for a little time, and then vanishes away.

            Genesis 1:1-31 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
            Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man [of] the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
            Psalm 19 :1 The heavens declare the glory of God; and the firmament sheweth his handywork.
            Hebrews 4:13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.
            Hebrews 11:3 Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
            Hebrews 1:10 And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands:
            Job 37:5 God thundereth marvellously with his voice; great things doeth he, which we cannot comprehend.
            Isaiah 42:5 Thus saith God the LORD, he that created the heavens, and stretched them out; he that spread forth the earth, and that which cometh out of it; he that giveth breath unto the people upon it, and spirit to them that walk therein:

            There are many more references in the Bible about God’s revealing Himself as our Creator in God’s word to share them here but I gave you plenty, the choice is up to you. May the Lord reveal Himself to you and show you the truth and may you open your heart and mind to Him this day.

          • Erinys Trace

            1) like most atheists, I have read the bible multiple times as well as being raised as a christian until I I could live on my own and explore my true beliefs.
            2)I’m not the one living in fear. i know that death will happen, when it does it will be exactly as it was before I was born – nothingness.
            3)And, again, you just described three separate dieties(well, two, don’t think you actually covered the “holy spirit”, #3). Yes, yes, I understand that the sophistry of whatever church you attend has convinced you otherwise, but the trinity doctrine is highly illogical and pretty much worthless. Your bible is just the ramblings of a bunch of uneducated (though they might have been knowledgeable for their time)men. Had an omniscient deity had ANYTHING WHATSOEVER to do with it, it would contain actual knowledge beyond what was available 2000 years ago. Citing it proves nothing other than that you are easily impressed by bullshit.

            Luckily for us, “the lord” will never show up. And literally nothing in the bible convinces me that its existence would be a good or desired thing.

          • Erinys Trace

            And apparently the admin are having fun erasing my comments. So for those of you who might be wondering what I said…and anyone who might be concerned with the TRUTH about our constitution and the secular origins of our government:

            Article 6 of the US Constitution: The Senators and Representatives before mentioned, and the members of
            the several state legislatures, and all executive and judicial officers,
            both of the United States and of the several states, shall be bound by
            oath or affirmation, to support this Constitution; but no religious test
            shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust
            under the United States.

            It states in plain English that there is to be NO RELIGIOUS TEST for any office or trust, which includes all military. Had the founders wished to establish a “christian” government, all they had to do was state it right there. They didn’t because they wanted to be free from forced religion.

            Anyone who tries to force their particular brand of religion on someone as part of the US government is defying the Constitution and is, in actuality, NOT supporting/upholding the US constitution and is breaking any oaths they might have made to support said document.

          • afchief

            Christian Quotes of the Founding Fathers


            …We, therefore, the people of Massachusetts, acknowledging, with grateful hearts, the goodness of the Great Legislator of the Universe, in affording us, in the course of His providence, an opportunity, deliberately and peaceably, without fraud, violence or surprise, of entering into an original, explicit, and solemn compact with each other; and of forming a new Constitution of Civil Government, for ourselves and posterity; and devoutly imploring His direction in so interesting a design, DO agree upon, ordain and establish, the following Declaration of Rights, and Frame of Government, as the CONSTITUTION of the COMMONWEALTH of MASSACHUSETTS.

            Part the First. A Declaration of the Rights of the Inhabitants of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts.

            Art. I — All men are born free and equal, and have certain natural, essential, and unalienable rights; among which may be reckoned the right of enjoying and defending their lives and liberties; that of acquiring, possessing, and protecting property; in fine, that of seeking and obtaining their safety and happiness.

            Art. II.— It is the right as well as the duty of all men in society, publicly, and at stated seasons, to worship the SUPREME BEING, the great creator and preserver of the universe. And no subject shall be hurt, molested, or restrained, in his person, liberty, or estate, for worshipping GOD in the manner and season most agreeable to the dictates of his own conscience; or for his religious profession or sentiments; provided he doth not disturb the public peace, or obstruct others in their religious worship.

            Art. III. — As the happiness of a people, and the good order and preservation of civil government, essentially depend upon piety, religion and morality; and as these cannot be generally diffused through a community, but by the institution of the public worship of GOD, and of public instructions in piety, religion and morality: Therefore, to promote their happiness and to secure the good order and preservation of their government, the people of this Commonwealth have a right to invest their legislature with power to authorize and require, and the legislature shall, from time to time, authorize and require, the several towns, parishes, precincts, and other bodies-politic, or religious societies, to make suitable provision, at their own expense, for the institution of the public worship of GOD, and for the support and maintenance of public protestant teachers of piety, religion and morality, in all cases where such provision shall not be made voluntarily.

            Thus the third paragraph of the Preamble of the Massachusetts Constitution, and first three Articles of the Massachusetts Bill of Rights, principally authored by John Adams. The Massachusetts Constitution was ratified on June 15, 1780, and served as a model for the federal Constitution which was drafted seven years later.

            The Massachusetts Constitution has the distinction of being “the oldest functioning written constitution in continuous effect in the world.”

            It is QUITE OBVIOUS which God it was!!!

            Thanks so much for the ping to this engaging article, dear YHAOS!



            All of us posting here have been brought up in an America whose early history was largely revised, removed from local libraries, and/or deliberately removed from school textbooks. We must remember that the so-called “liberal” or “progressive” movement began before we were born, and by the time we were in school, much of the work to distort, dissemble, and remove the essential ideas of liberty from textbooks and public discourse already had begun to occur. As a result, we must look to early histories, original documents, or the writings and speeches of the day. Even Theologians are not a reliable source for answers to these questions, for they have been trained in similar educational institutions as the rest of us.

            An 1872 history by Frothingham is available for reading online. “Rise of the Republic of the United States . . . ” traces the “Christian Idea of Man” as the idea which underlay the development of America. Then, there is an 1876 Centennial Thanksgiving Sermon by Rev. Benjamin W. Arnett, available in the American Memory Section of the LOC (African-American Collection) which provides great detail and documentation for the idea that America was, indeed, founded as a “Christian” nation, including references to Supreme Court Justices’ statements and other documentation from records.

            As for Jefferson, for obvious reasons, he did not discuss his personal faith publicly, and said so. Some of his pertinent comments in letters have been posted on this thread already, and I will not repeat those. There are others though which may provide another glimpse that the censors and mind controllers of the Left have failed to acknowledge in their quest to misuse a single phrase from his Letter to the Baptists.

            For instance:

            “Our Saviour… has taught us to judge the tree by its fruit, and to leave motives to Him who can alone see into them.” –Thomas Jefferson to Martin Van Buren, 1824. ME 16:55

            Then, we might examine “The Works of Thomas Jefferson,” Federal Edition (New York and London, G.P. Putnam’s Sons, 1904-5). Vol. 2.

            Author: Thomas Jefferson

            Editor: Paul Leicester Ford

            Part of: The Works of Thomas Jefferson, 12 vols Notes on religion l

            This should be read in its entirety as an indication of Jefferson’s diligent study of the subject. The following are only a selected few observations from these “Notes.”

            To Rev. Samuel Miller, 23 January 1808 “Sir, -I have duly received your favor of the 18th and am thankful to you for having written it, because it is more agreeable to prevent than to refuse what I do not think myself authorized to comply with. I consider the government of the U S. as interdicted by the Constitution from intermeddling with religious institutions, their doctrines, discipline, or exercises. This results not only from the provision that no law shall be made respecting the establishment, or free exercise, of religion, but from that also which reserves to the states the powers not delegated to the U.S. Certainly no power to prescribe any religious exercise, or to assume authority in religious discipline, has been delegated to the general government It must then rest with the states, as far as it can be in any human authority. But it is only proposed that I should recommend, not prescribe a day of fasting & prayer. That is, that I should indirectly assume to the U.S. an authority over religious exercises which the Constitution has directly precluded them from. It must be meant too that this recommendation is to carry some authority, and to be sanctioned by some penalty on those who disregard it; not indeed of fine and imprisonment, but of some degree of proscription perhaps in public opinion. And does the change in the nature of the penalty make the recommendation the less a law of conduct for those to whom it is directed? I do not believe it is for the interest of religion to invite the civil magistrate to direct its exercises, its discipline, or its doctrines; nor of the religious societies that the general government should be invested with the power of effecting any uniformity of time or matter among them. Fasting & prayer are religious exercises. The enjoining them an act of discipline. Every religious society has a right to determine for itself the times for these exercises, & the objects proper for them, according to their own particular tenets; and this right can never be safer than in their own hands, where the constitution has deposited it.

            “I am aware that the practice of my predecessors may be quoted. But I have ever believed that the example of state executives led to the assumption of that authority by the general government, without due examination, which would have discovered that what might be a right in a state government, was a violation of that right when assumed by another. Be this as it may, every one must act according to the dictates of his own reason, & mine tells me that civil powers alone have been given to the President of the U S. and no authority to direct the religious exercises of his constituents.

            “I again express my satisfaction that you have been so good as to give me an opportunity of explaining myself in a private letter, in which I could give my reasons more in detail than might have been done in a public answer: and I pray you to accept the assurances of my high esteem & respect.”

            To James Fishback, 27 September 1809 (L&B 12:315):

            “Reading, reflection and time have convinced me that the interests of society require the observation of those moral precepts only in which all nations agree (for all forbid us to murder, steal, plunder, or bear false witness,) and that we should not intermeddle with the particular dogmas in which all religions differ, and which are totally unconnected with morality. In all of them we see good men, and as many in one as another. The varieties in the structure and action of the human mind as in those of the body, are the work of our Creator, against which it cannot be a religious duty to erect the standard of uniformity. The practice of morality being necessary for the well-being of society, he has taken care to impress its precepts so indelibly on our hearts that they shall not be effaced by the subtleties of our brain. We all agree in the obligation of the moral precepts of Jesus, and nowhere will they be found delivered in greater purity than in his discourses. It is, then, a matter of principle with me to avoid disturbing the tranquility of others by the expression of any opinion on the innocent questions on which we schismatize.”

            To Miles King, 26 September 1814 (L&B 14:197-8):

            “He has formed us moral agents. Not that, in the perfection of His state, He can feel pain or pleasure in anything we may do; He is far above our power; but that we may promote the happiness of those with whom He has placed us in society, by acting honestly towards all, respecting sacredly their rights, bodily and mental, and cherishing especially their freedom of conscience, as we value our own. I must ever believe that religion substantially good which produces an honest life, and we have been authorized by One whom you and I equally respect, to judge of the tree by its fruit. Our particular principles of religion are a subject of accountability to our God alone. I inquire after no man’s, and trouble none with mine; nor is it given to us in this life to know whether yours or mine, our friends or our foes, are exactly the right. Nay, we have heard it said that there is not a Quaker or a Baptist, a Presbyterian or an Episcopalian, a Catholic or a Protestant in heaven; that, on entering that gate, we leave those badges of schism behind, and find ourselves united in those principles only in which God has united us all.”

            “Our Savior chose not to propagate his religion by temporal punishments or civil incapacitation, if he had, it was in his almighty power. But he chose to extend it by it’s influence on reason, there by shewing to others how they should proceed.”

            “Christ has said ‘wheresoever 2 or 3 are gatherd. together in his name he will be in the midst of them.’ This is his definition of a society. He does not make it essential that a bishop or presbyter govern them. Without them it suffices for the salvation of souls.”

            “Compulsion in religion is distinguished peculiarly from compulsion in every other thing. I may grow rich by art I am compelled to follow, I may recover health by medicines I am compelled to take agt. my own judgment, but I cannot be saved by a worship I disbelieve & abhor.

            “Whatsoever is lawful in the Commonwealth, or permitted to the subject in the ordinary way, cannot be forbidden to him for religious uses: & whatsoever is prejudicial to the Commonwealth in their ordinary uses & therefore prohibited by the laws, ought not to be permitted to churches in their sacred rites. For instance it is unlawful in the ordinary course of things or in a private house to murder a child. It should not be permitted any sect then to sacrifice children: it is ordinarily lawful (or temporarily lawful) to kill calves or lambs. They may therefore be religiously sacrificed, but if the good of the state required a temporary suspension of killing lambs, as during a siege, sacrifices of them may then be rightfully suspended also. This is the true extent of toleration.

            “Truth will do well enough if left to shift for herself. She seldom has received much aid from the power of great men to whom she is rarely known & seldom welcome. She has no need of force to procure entrance into the minds of men. Error indeed has often prevailed by the assistance of power or force. Truth is the proper & sufficient antagonist to error. If anything pass in a religious meeting seditiously and contrary to the public peace, let it be punished in the same manner & no otherwise than as if it had happened in a fair or market. These meetings ought not to be sanctuaries for faction & flagitiousness.”

            “Our wish… is, that the public efforts may be directed honestly to the public good, that peace be cultivated, civil and religious liberty unassailed, law and order preserved, equality of rights maintained, and that state of property, equal or unequal, which results to every man from his own industry, or that of his fathers.” –Thomas Jefferson: 2nd Inaugural, 1805. ME 3:382

            “It is time enough for the rightful purposes of civil government, for its officers to interfere [in the propagation of religious teachings] when principles break out into overt acts against peace and good order.” –Thomas Jefferson: Statute for Religious Freedom, 1779. ME 2:302, Papers 2:546

            Note: Bolding and underlining added for emphasis here)

            Of The Constitution itself there is no “god” therein to be found . . . ]

            If so.. THEN our “Rights” are merely privileges.. granted by givernment..

            And the States are not sovereign but instead provinces of a central givernment..

            You know…… like Canada..

            If no God in the US Constitution then who is the ultimate authority?…

            -OR- IS there any authority.?..

            No God THEN…. the US Constitution is butt wipe..

            exactly like every single other Constitution by any other nation..

            that constantly wipes themselves with their charters..

            And WHY?… every anarchist(democrat, libertarian, socialist, communist, Rino) HATES the Constitution except as tender to start a populist fire.. hoping praying for mayhem in the streets, flash mobs, and tribal wars..

            NOTE: The US Constitution was written down for one reason and one reason ONLY.. To limit the scope and power of the Federal Givernment.. As the Constitution “ERODES” the Federal Givernment increases in scope and power..

            NO GOD, No Constitution, less God, less Constitution, a little God, a few privileges, much God, FREEDOM….

          • Erinys Trace

            LOL, where have I said the founders weren’t christian? nowhere…then, as now, the majority of the country was nominally christian. It still doesn’t overturn article 6 of the US Constitution that specifies “NO RELIGIOUS TEST”. They could have established a state religion if they wanted…they were setting everything up right there. They DIDN’T! They set up a secular government. So you can spout religious quotes until you are blue in the face, it doesn’t change the FACT that the founders set up a secular government deliberately. If it wasn’t basic history, it would be kinda cute how far you will go to deny reality…like a toddler hiding it’s face thinking no one can see their diaper hanging out.

            Not sure what you have against Canada. They seem to be doing fine as well.

            I guess the idea of secular government frightens you, even though there is no reason to be scared. We lasted, what, 230 years now as a secular nation. There is no sign that we are going to collapse any time soon. Your fears are unjustified. Same with socialism…the countries doing socialism right are among the happiest, most peaceful countries on Earth today, doing awesome by any measure (better than us on a lot of them, just saying). Of course, they are also the most secular…hmmm

            Edit: Also, yes I am a liberal and I love the US Constitution…i love it enough to want to actually follow it.
            PSS: Everytime religion takes over a country it inevitably becomes less and less free. Hint: state religion is, you know, THE REASON we even exist as a nation. why? because the founders wanted more freedom. See Also, every current country that has religion entwined with their government…yes, most of them are Islamic nowadays, but that would be because the christians outgrew conversion by force.

          • afchief

            John Adams

            Signer of the Declaration of Independence and Second President of the United States

            [I]t is religion and morality alone which can establish the principles upon which freedom can securely stand. The only foundation of a free constitution is pure virtue.

            (Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, 1854), Vol. IX, p. 401, to Zabdiel Adams on June 21, 1776.)

            [W]e have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. . . . Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

            (Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Little, Brown, and Co. 1854), Vol. IX, p. 229, October 11, 1798.)

            The moment the idea is admitted into society, that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence. If “Thou shalt not covet,” and “Thou shalt not steal,” were not commandments of Heaven, they must be made inviolable precepts in every society, before it can be civilized or made free.

            (Source: John Adams, The Works of John Adams, Second President of the United States, Charles Francis Adams, editor (Boston: Charles C. Little and James Brown, 1851), Vol. VI, p. 9.)

          • Erinys Trace

            So you will just ignore that the constitution and the secular government it establishes exist? And you will somehow consider yourself a defender of the very same constitution that you are willing to defy completely? Just because you have been brainwashed into thinking secularism is somehow harmful – even though that is totally unproven. It’s not like you have to give up religion, you know…there a millions who manage to be both secular and religious just fine.

            And, again, religious quotes from founding fathers, prove nothing when set up against the reality of the government they established through the constitution. You really should give that up, no one is convinced….and it is entirely likely that even the most superficial google research would find that those are out-of-context quotes as supplied by the conservative liar Barton or similar ilk. Not that I’m going to bother, it’s clear that you are content to remain ignorant and live in a fantasy land.

          • afchief

            Judeo-Christian values are a major part of the intrinsic foundation of Western culture, as they were at the Founding of our nation. Christian values, especially, have contributed disproportionately to the legal protection and respect for the Individual Person, rather than the collective state or a tyrannical leader. 0bama and his fellow Socialists want to change that. In the long term, they WILL FAIL.

            The Constitution of the United States is one of the greatest documents ever created. Looking back through time it shows the intelligence and the forward thinking of its creators. These men knew the evils that can exist in mens’ hearts and experienced the injustices of capricious kings and oligarchs. When I read it, I am awestruck and am led to believe there was a Divine inspiration.

            They knew that a time would come when men like 0liar and a host of others would blatantly attempt to usurp the Constitution. They knew the hearts of despots and the goals of evil men.

          • Erinys Trace

            As long as you want to destroy my freedom as an atheist, you are proving the exact opposite of “more god=more freedom”. (That is what you were/are arguing for when you try to insist that the military oath must be religious, btw. You are saying that i and other atheists should not have freedom of conscience.)

            As far as i can see in history and in life right now, religion leads only to repression, depression, and loss of freedom for anyone who doesn’t agree The Enlightenment is responsible for most laws and freedoms, not christianity. Organized religion did it’s best to remain in control and destroy all progress in line with enlightenment values. If “the church” had it’s way, everyone would still be under the catholic yoke (the protestant heretics eradicated) hand-in-hand with whatever royalty they set in place. Not freedom, religion is the enemy of freedom for the most part, it is only interested in authority and control.
            Most evil men go to where the easily led and deceived are found – religion. Churches everywhere harbor the most evil, foul control-freaks around. There are good people as well, obviously, but if you look at the authoritarian men in charge, you will usually find some skeleton in their closet. (see all the damn pedophile scandals in every freaking sect of christianity, as well as the “beat your kids into submission” books, “keep your wives as sex and kitchen slaves” books, etc)

          • Josey

            your think as an atheist you have been threatened, as a matter of fact the world loves people like you but hates those who follow Christ, I am not upset about that for Jesus said if they hate me the Master, they will hate you too, you have imagined paranoia, you have not been threatened unless the word of God which is sharper than any two edged sword threatens to convict you of your sin but physically you are not threatened, no one is coming and dragging you to a church. God gave us free will but an atheist organization or this new world order religion where we live in some fantasy utopia would force onto those who believe in the Lord Jesus Christ their beliefs that God doesn’t exist and therefore anything associated with mentioning Christ or God should be removed. Get real, it is those organizations who want God removed from society so they can live anyway they please without morals at all, it is that luciferian doctrine that says, “do as thy will.” Do what makes you feel good, who cares about what is morally right or wrong in society, all that matters is how you as an individual feels. Here’s a prime example: Let’s loot stores, set them on fire because of a a black man that didn’t obey a police officer and robbed a store beforehand or kill whitey all the while the black neighborhoods are killing each other because of gang turfs, If you want to be a sodomite, go ahead, it feels good, be rebellious, have no laws, do drugs, etc…etc…I could go on and on…sad. You all that are against God are against Him because Jesus Christ the light of the world came and His holiness convicts you of your sin for darkness hates the light and that is why you all hate Christ’s followers but there are consequences to sin, it is death.

            your statement : “There are good people as well, obviously, but if you look at the authoritarian men in charge, you will usually find some skeleton in their closet. (see all the damn pedophile scandals in every freaking sect of christianity, as well as the “beat your kids into submission” books, “keep your wives as sex and kitchen slaves” books, etc.” you have bought into the lie and your using those few who have fallen or are deceivers will not excuse your individual sins. And there are great men of God who do their best to please God and preach truth, you just pick out a few bad apples for satan places those there to get you to buy into that lie but you are w/out excuse regardless of those few bad apples, our relationship with God through Christ is an individual one and each will be accountable for themselves. Mother or Father cannot save you, man can not save you, only a true relationship with Jesus will save you and that is a personal walk with God. Following the crowd and using them as an excuse won’t fly with God for He’s given us as individuals a choice through Jesus.

          • Erinys Trace

            No one in America oppresses christians. You need to get over that childish persecution complex. There are christian prayers every where in this country. In the 25 years of my working life, i have not even once been able to work in a place without people coercing me to join in unwanted prayer activities. Not once have I worked somewhere, including the military, where people haven’t tried pushing sectarian religious activities in some form or another, often trying to disguise them as simple “plays” or “concerts”, that end up with outright evangelizing. No atheist organization has the power to enforce anything on anyone. You still have your chirches, you still control vast amounts of the country.

            As for you extremely childish views involving demons and satan…your imaginary adversaries exist only in your head. sorry, they just aren’t real. You are just upset that those of us who have grown up enough, to stand on our own two feet without displacing our hate and anger onto an outside figure that no one ever sees or communicates with, are starting to push back against christian overwheening arrogance and control.

            Let me be clear: christianity is just a crutch used mostly by people who don’t have the moral fortitude to grow up. They are lost little children who have outgrown their human parents, but still feel like they need a “parent” to be attached to (and whine and blubber to) and place praise/blame on for stuff that goes on in their lives. The authoritarians, usually men, take advantage of that need and take charge.

            In other words, you are lost and afraid and nothing in your religion is going to help you face life and lose your fear.

          • Josey

            Wrong again, I didn’t say I felt persecuted tho I have experienced persecution throughout my life but feeling it and going through it with the grace of God are two very different things, God strengthened me thru it all. I quoted Jesus words about the world hating Him because His light shows them their sin and Christians are being beheaded in muslim countries and it has begun in the U.S. with organizations wanting God removed from schools and by dumbing down the children with that idiotic common core and from public offices and from our military with Obama’s litmus test, he’d be proud to have all homosexuals in the military, not going to happen thank God but if he had his way it would. I am not lost, I have been found but you are and I am not afraid for God has promised to never leave me or forsake me. What do I have to fear? . God has refined me through many trials over the past 30 years, you cannot say that for you let your troubles turn you into a bitter hateful spiteful person, I can discern it by what you say, it reeks out of you,.

            what do I have to fear?
            Romans 8:31-39 31 What, then, shall we say in response to these things? If God is for us, who can be against us? 32 He who did not spare his own Son, but gave him up for us all—how will he not also, along with him, graciously give us all things? 33 Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34 d—more than that, who was raised to life—is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword? 36 As it is written: “For your sake we face death all day long; we are considered as sheep to be slaughtered.”j 37 No, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him who loved us. 38 For I am convinced that neither death nor life, neither angels nor demons,k neither the present nor the future, nor any powers, 39 neither height nor depth, nor anything else in all creation, will be able to separate us from the love of God that is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

          • Erinys Trace

            I don’t know what you are so afraid of, that is for you to figure out. I just know that you cling desperately to a parental figure in way that reeks of fear. most likely, given your racist paragraph above and your homophobic little tidbit here, you are desperately afraid of anyone not exactly like yourself. And death of course, all christians are terrified of death even though they are supposedly happy with the knowledge of what happens after death.

            And you couldn’t be more wrong about me being hateful or spiteful. I am a very easy going, giving atheist, willing to lend a helping hand to anyone who requests it. Worked for 5 years in a low income health clinic earning very little so I could use my education and military training to help those less fortunate now working in a hospital doing the same….all as an atheist. God is not necessary for morals…given that the god of the bible is immoral in the extreme.

            I just like discussing stuff with people on the internet, any ill-feeling you are detecting is solely for the religion itself, not for the people who follow it. I hate the belief, not the believer – to paraphrase a well used phrase, lol

          • afchief

            While America’s constitutional government is not specifically Christian, it can be argued that its roots are taken from biblical doctrines. Here are just a few possible arguments in this regard:

            America’s first constitution was the Fundamental Orders of Connecticut. The Puritan framers of this document required that each aspect of it be grounded in Scripture. Other constitutions to follow contained many similarities to this one.

            At least 50 of the 55 signers of the U.S. Constitution were orthodox Christians.

            There is no doubt that the concept of our Constitutional checks and balances system is a direct result of the biblical doctrine of the sinfulness of mankind. All of our founders understood the importance of this doctrine to the social order.

            America’s foundational idea of The Rule of Law rather than the authority of man traces back to the Old Testament, beginning with the Ten Commandments.

            The idea that all men are created equal as enshrined in the Declaration of Independence is a biblical doctrine.

            The notion of the sovereign authority of God (as mentioned in the Mayflower Compact, the Declaration of Independence, all 50 state constitutions, our currency, etc.)–rather than the sovereignty of the state–is certainly biblical.

            The existence of moral absolutes (a biblical concept) is an important idea in our Declaration of Independence–specifically, self-evident truths and unalienable rights from the Creator.

            Many other aspects of our laws come directly from the Bible–for example the judicial, legislative and executive branches trace to Isaiah 33:22. Fair trials with witnesses have numerous Old and New Testament support.

            Regarding civil liberty, founding father John Adams (and others) emphasized 2 Corinthians 3:17 as the basis for American civil liberty. The slogan on the Liberty Bell is “Proclaim Liberty throughout the land unto all the Inhabitants Thereof” is from Leviticus 15:10. Kennedy and Newcombe argue that Jesus himself was the greatest civil libertarian of all time.

            “Here we see, in its embryo, the idea of limited government. This idea derives from the Christian notion that the ruler’s realm is circumscribed and there are limits beyond which he simply must not go….Our modern idea of limited government takes the Christian notion of space that is off-limits to state control and extends it to the whole private sphere….The separation of the realms should not be a weapon against Christianity; rather, it is a device supplied by Christianity to promote social peace, religious freedom, and a moral community. If we recovered the concept in its true sense, our society would be better off.” (Dinesh S’Souza)

          • zaphod1

            WRONG!!! The first Europeans to North America Actually worshiped the Norse god Odin. Please try to keep up with the adults.

          • Christine

            Not to mention all the people already in the Americas who worshiped all kinds of other gods.

          • afchief

            Another product of our indoctrination centers we call public schools!!!

          • Christine

            My family has four Mayflower Pilgrims in our ancestry, and yet here we are, a bunch of atheists. My husband is a secular Jew. Fuck your Judea-Christian concepts. This is the 21st Century, and we know a lot more now. Times, they are a changin’.

          • afchief

            Judeo-Christian values are a major part of the intrinsic foundation of Western culture, as they were at the Founding of our nation. Christian values, especially, have contributed disproportionately to the legal protection and respect for the Individual Person, rather than the collective state or a tyrannical leader. 0bama and his fellow Socialists want to change that. In the long term, they WILL FAIL.

            2 steps of the 45 steps of Communism. Remove religion, insert Homosexuals.

            Everyone should Google 45 steps of Communism. Written in the 60’s, half of it has already been established and Obama is bringing the rest on home.

          • Josey

            you are right but these people want it their way, to do as they please, no moral laws, just tyranny, I often wonder how they would feel if their children are raped, killed, wonder if they would care? God set up moral laws to protect us.

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            American law is very, very, very definitely not based on Biblical scripture. I promise you can eat all the shrimp you want and boil a kid (goat) in it’s mother’s milk if you really want to.

            It is by coincidence that some Biblical laws happen to be reflected in American law and in the Constitution; murder is generally outlawed in all cultures so of course that one would be included, same goes for theft.

            I agree that Christianity has always been the dominant religion in America (if you don’t count the Indians) but that does not grant special status or privilege to Christians; all men are equal before the law. And don’t you go forgetting the contribution that some of those non-Christian Pagans and heretics made to America, many of the most important advances have been made by people who were not Christians (I’ll grant you that the Muslims have done virtually nothing useful but that’s another debate) and some of the Founding Fathers were anti-religious and probably atheists.

          • Josey

            apparently, you were able to take an oath that didn’t require you to say “so help me God.” so you are lying once again and were not persecuted.

          • Erinys Trace

            I clearly said “if” in that sentence – it’s called a hypothetical. And that statement is true – if you force me to recite a christian oath, it would be bullying/persecution. If I forced you to recite an oath to allah or satan as a necessary condition to get a job, then THAT would be bullying/persecution.

          • Josey

            Balogna. we served in the military for 18 yrs and never once did I see what you are lying about from command.

          • Erinys Trace

            And were you an atheist constantly surrounded by christian propaganda? Or were you a christian, going about your normal christian life, doing the “evangelizing” and propaganda dispersal? In other words, as a soldier Spec4 in the “bible belt” of the US I felt about how you would feel if you were to be surrounded by Hindus or buddhists or muslims. Not just a few, mind you, nearly everyone else in your unit, all participating and urging you to participate in their religious activities. It wasn’t official…that would be so illegal that I could have sued and won…that doesn’t make it any less present.

          • Josey

            Ha, no I paid no attention to their false beliefs anyway and I follow the Holy Spirit’s guidance in whom He readies me to sow seed. I don’t come against people who believe differently than I, I leave that up to God but if He gives me a word to speak to another I trust Him to have gone before me to ready that heart. And fortunately we live in he U,S.A that God established a a godly nation so I rarely ran into those of different faith and when I did I did not go up an evangelize them, I leave that up to God to direct me to whom I should talk to, you seem to misunderstand that as Child of God we are living tabernacles that share our faith daily even w/out saying much, His light shines through us.

          • Erinys Trace

            In other words, yes, you are one of those who lives to force your beliefs on those around you and have never had the bravery to put yourself on the other side of the fence. Good of you to admit that, maybe the knowledge that you are living a sheltered existence will encourage you to challenge yourself and grow.

          • Josey

            Nope, I am at peace sorry your are not for demon that lies through this lady, the Lord Jesus rebukes you and time for you to go back to the pit. I bind your lying tongue in Jesus Name and you will not be allowed to speak thru her agains,. GO!

          • Erinys Trace

            LMAO, that is actually the funniest thing I’ve read all night. Again, demons are imaginary. No demon is speaking through me. And, of course, a long dead jew wouldn’t be much help in dealing with a demon, you know, if it did exist. See what i mean though? you can’t help it…you just gotta force people to comply to your belief system and can’t stand it that people like me will stand up to you.

          • Josey

            You have a high and mighty opinion of yourself and I’ll leave it at that. Pride goes before a fall!

          • Inigmadik

            You R SOOO FULL OF SHYTE!!!!

          • Erinys Trace

            wow, such eloquence…care to be more specific? You can’t actually tell me the facts of my life. FACT: I spent 6 years in the US Army, FACT: I was an atheist; FACT: I was not openly atheist except to a few close friends, FACT: I feared religious bullying and evangelizing, which didn’t seem a big stretch considering the many religious activities “offered” to us(especially as a recruit in basic training, when religious activities were often the ONLY way out of certain drills/exercises)

    • sharon oliveria

      Afchief, It so sad to see what is the leader of the once Greatest Country in the World, His Evil has no stopping off place, many lives will be lost & have been lost at His hand, I hear people talk about Evil, but I never in my life time have seen Evil really at work as we have now under this leadership, were they always here in Govt hiding in the Shadow’s of Secret Govts & Group’s, now the Obama Selfie laws will one by one in their coded number list will allow anything , anything He wants , taking people with out ever a charge or ever by a court judge , to be held for the rest of their lives if He so desires or to Kill out right. God Help us all In Jesus Name!

      • Josey

        And God has promised us who love Him that He will never leave us or forsake us, He is our help, our strength, our fortress. Even if God allows them to kill some of us they can never take our spirits and we will enter Heaven and be given glorified bodies.

        Romans 8:31-39 31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? 32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? 33 Who shall lay anything to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth. 34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. 35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? 36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter. 37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us. 38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, 39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

        • Kandy


          • zaphod1


          • Kandy

            Oh noooooooooooooooooooooooooooo.

      • afchief

        So true!

      • LadyFreeBird<In God I Trust


      • zaphod1

        Amen, is Abracadabra translated into Christian. Works just as well too.

      • Christine

        Are you actually serious? Do you really think that way? Your world is so incredibly weird and alien! What will you do when none of those things happen?
        We will have an election in 2016. President Obama will finish his term and step down. The next President will be sworn in, and we will go on to whatever happens then. No codes. No “number lists”. No people disappeared.
        Get a grip!

        • sharon oliveria

          You may get a surprise you will have to get a real grip,

  • Nidalap

    Silly MRFF! Satan, by logical definition, cannot ‘bless’ anything! (^_^)

    • Cosmic Mastermind

      “Bless” means to speak a magical enchantment, so yes he can, and so can Obi-Wan Kenobi.

  • James The 87,679,756th

    And stupid Christians will let them…

  • James The 87,679,756th

    Christian s better buck and start pushing back…

    • Cosmic Mastermind

      Pushing back? Christians started it.

      • Inigmadik

        Christians started what, numbnuts?!!!
        Enlighten us to thy ignorance!!!

        • Cosmic Mastermind

          I think you know the answer already. Secularists never defied the First Amendment, and nor did atheists. Your religion does not give you any legal right to any kind of special status or privilege over anyone else.

          When you take money and favors from the Government and from the taxpayers that you are not legally or morally entitled to, secularists have something to say about that, they speak out and denounce such activities as immoral and illegal, which in fact they are.

          • Inigmadik

            It was “Enlightened Secularist” that fed Christians and Jews to lions and burnt them as street lights in Rome!!!
            It was Enlightened Secularist’s (And the Jacobins) that SLAUGHTERED THOUSANDS during the French Revolution!!!
            And it is NOW “Enlightened Secularist’s” causing ALL the MURDER and MAHEM around the World — in their FUTILE attempt to bring about some NWO!!!
            You FOOL ME NONE!!!!!

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            Rome = Pantheists.
            France = Christian.
            and the murder & mayhem is mostly Islam.

            But whatever, I don’t see what this has to do with you thinking that non-religious people should have less rights than Christians.

          • Inigmadik

            “But whatever, I don’t see what this has to do with you thinking that non-religious people should have less rights than Christians.”
            You PULLED that out of your ARSE!!! (Like most Athiest/Libtards do.)
            You’ve seen me say/write NO SUCH THING!!!!

          • Inigmadik

            France = Christian my arse!!!
            The French Revolution was instigated and conducted by “Enlightened Occultist’s”!!!!
            The EXACT SAME group working behind the scene’s to bring about the NWO (New Atlantis) now!!!
            The “Globalist’s” are fomenting ALL THE WORLD’s troubles —
            Thesis = Christian/Patriot/Zionist’s et al
            Antithesis = Islamofascist’s et al
            Synthesis = World Gov’t/Control (Ordo Ab Chao/Order out of Chaos/Phoenix from the Ashes)….

  • Mary Brown

    Someone really needs to stomp whinestein into a puddle and feed him to the pigs.

  • Alleged Comment

    Odin, Satan, etc., are NOT their (the military’s) Gods!

    So what they are asking makes no sense, as their gods! What do they smoke anyway?

    • Cosmic Mastermind

      What do you mean? Who do you think are the Gods of the Military?

      • Alleged Comment

        When you godless people hold your meeting do you want the military to show up and as convocation sing God Bless America??

        Would you like that?

        • Cosmic Mastermind

          You’ve lost me. You’re speaking a version of English that I am not familiar with.

          • Alleged Comment

            Let me sing it to you, God bless America……..

        • zaphod1

          HELL NO!

        • Kandy

          Cosmic Mastermind lives in the U K .He won’t care what happens in America.

          • Inigmadik

            When America is handed over to its “Enemies” (Which are also the U.K.s enemies) —- then he’ll care!!!!
            Because once America’s gone — the U.K. becomes a b1tch in a prison cell!!!! With no where to swim to!!!!

          • Cosmic Mastermind

            I am completely lost as to the train of thought that is going on here.

            Quote: “When you godless people hold your meeting do you want the military to show up and as convocation sing God Bless America??”

            What does that mean? What are you people talking about?

          • Kandy

            I really hope he will care.I know how much I care for America. I believe what you say is true.

    • Mark Malone

      And you know for a fact that NO ONE in the military worships Odin, Satan, ect?

      The military does not have a “god”. that’s where separation of church and state come into play.

      This is for the members of the military that are NOT being represented with the sign. Remember. What’s good for the goose, is good for the gander. Either honor ALL religions and non religions, or honor none.

  • Shane Atchison

    Yes God, please bless those who make a career out of violating your very first commandment to them. Makes perfect sense.

    • Josey

      So, you would rather let evil run rampart. When good men do nothing evil will triumph. God in His righteousness had King David drive out those who worshiped other gods, false gods and those who rebelled and did the most horrid evils, there is a time for everything, yes even fighting those who are evil. Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 To everything there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: 2 A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; 3 A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; 4 A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; 5 A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; 6 A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; 7 A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; 8 A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war, and a time of peace.

  • WhiteDragonKing

    All of those are the samething

  • Inigmadik

    To BAD the IDIOTS don’t get that it is either Communist Subversion or other demonically inspired agenda to remove what we know as America from the map —- because NO MATTER their MORONIC BELIEFS —- they ARE GOING TO FIND THAT G-d IS REAL and that NATIONS THAT CHALLENGE and/or TURN against Him are destined for UTTER and TOTAL DESTRUCTION!!!!
    This country has been and was BLESSED BECAUSE of it’s one time humility and reverence for G-d Almighty…..
    They (Unfortunately “WE” — because of them) are soon to see AMERICA’s Hedge of Protection GONE — it’s ENEMIES Given complete and total victory over her — and the MORONS DEAD or in CHAINS working rice patties in China, North Korea or Mopping Floors at gun point in Russia….
    Amos 4:12

    • zaphod1

      I’ve been mocking the crap out of ALL (so-called) “G-d”s for years and not one of ’em has smote me yet. Grow up.

      • Kandy

        Remember you are still alive.Some will not know until their last breath that God is real.

      • Inigmadik

        Grow up?! 🙂
        Just because you haven’t a clue about how G-d works —–
        Know this!!! America is on it’s last leg!!!
        G-ds NOT going to appear out of the sky and “Smote You” —-
        He’s going to empower/strengthen America’s enemies to come “Smote you”!!!!
        He’s raising up an Army as I type this!!!
        Time (For America) is short — spend time with your family!!! The countdown is on!!!

  • Bonnie

    God is not a name; God is a title. Therefore, the word god can mean whomever you choose as your god. This makes MRFF’s argument irrelevant.

    • Cosmic Mastermind

      Allah is also a title.

      • Inigmadik

        This is TRUE!!!
        But can be extremely misleading!!!
        It does depend on which “Allah” one worships!!!

  • FoJC_Forever

    If the demons which the MRFF mentions are called upon to “bless” the military, they will continue to demoralize into a large group of people with sophisticated guns, weapons, and tactics who cannot be trusted to safeguard the guarantees of individual freedom written into the Constitution.

    Calling upon any god other than the only God is simply calling upon devils to act and empower people.

    Follow Jesus, find Truth.

    • Dave_L

      “For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.” (1 Corinthians 3:19)

      One of the biggest questions that came up in nations doing away with the Military Draft (Conscription) was about how liable an all volunteer army would be to take-over by insurgents. With the Draft, there is enough diversity to off-set this. But with an all volunteer army, special interests can be working for a totally different government and people with a phone call, in a few minutes.

      • FoJC_Forever

        You speak as though you’re wise, knowing God’s Word, but you are only a fake persona on a comment board.

        Your comment has nothing to do with what I wrote. Was this the only thing you could copy/paste in response?

        • Dave_L

          fojc said; “they will continue to demoralize into a large group of people with sophisticated guns, weapons, and tactics who cannot be trusted to safeguard the guarantees of individual freedom written into the Constitution.”

          I simply agreed with this fine observation showing that it is a risk when nations do away with the Draft and use only an all volunteer Army. This question prevailed among all of the world powers at the end of both World Wars.

    • zaphod1

      Calling on ANY god is childish.

      • FoJC_Forever

        You won’t believe that when you stand before God in Judgement. Hopefully, you discover that you’re wrong before that Day, so you can be saved from Sin and inherit Eternal Life.

        Follow Jesus, find Salvation.

      • FoJC_Forever

        True, calling upon any of the gods reveals a lack of Knowledge and Understanding. That’s why you should call upon the God of the universe, the Creator and Father of the LORD Jesus (the) Christ to save you from your Sin and give you Eternal Life.

  • Josey

    Their reasoning is nothing more than this, they think since they couldn’t get the sign removed that God bless the military, they by requesting signs to sit beside that in their warped minds go against that blessing that Christians will give in and remove their sign so no other signs opposing Christ will be displayed but we serve a Mighty God and just as Moses showed the sorcerers of King Pharaoh of his day when his magicians threw down their snakes Moses’s staff that God turned into a snake ate up the Kings magicians snakes so no need to fear these people who defy the God of the Universe with their threats or their little signs, He is mightier than they! Glory to His Name forever.

    • zaphod1

      …and Mary was a virgin, Jesus walked on water, turned water into wine, snakes talk, eve came from a rib and on and on and on…

  • sammy13

    “Congress shall make no law respecting the establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

    Congress did not order the sign to be put up. (No establishment here)

    Congress has not said take it down. (No prohibition the free exercise)

    Only MRFF is offended and wants satan et al recognized whilst trying to prohibit.

    • Cosmic Mastermind

      The military is a branch of Government and is answerable to Congress. What you’re suggesting is that if I punch someone in the face, I’m not responsible because my arm did it by itself.

    • Mark Malone

      The butt hurt is strong with you.

  • Nidalap

    I know it would probably never happen, but maybe they could put up these other signs with each one starting out: By the way, the MRFF asks that (____) also bless… 🙂

  • DW

    If you look up the word “d0uche bag” in the dictionary, you’ll find a picture of Mikey Whine-stein.

  • NuAllianceWest

    Wonderful time in our country where Christians are realizing they are no longer going to be able to live outside the Constitutional rights of citizens. Brave, brave men!

  • Josey

    Psalm 2:1-7

    1 Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing?
    2 The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
    3 Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
    4 He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the Lord shall have them in derision.
    5 Then shall he speak unto them in his wrath, and vex them in his sore displeasure.
    6 Yet have I set my king upon my holy hill of Zion.
    7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

    PSALM 33:10 The Lord bringeth the counsel of the heathen to nought: he maketh the devices of the people of none effect. 11 The counsel of the Lord standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations. 12 Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord; and the people whom he hath chosen for his own inheritance. 13 The Lord looketh from heaven; he beholdeth all the sons of men. 14 From the place of his habitation he looketh upon all the inhabitants of the earth. 15 He fashioneth their hearts alike; he considereth all their works.

  • Dave_L

    “When the ways of people please the Lord, he causes even their enemies to be at peace with them.” (Proverbs 16:7)

  • Inigmadik


    In the same place as Stubborn Israel!!!

    1 Sam 8:6-22

    But when they said, “Give us a king to lead us,” this displeased Samuel; so he prayed to the Lord. 7 And the Lord told him: “Listen to all that the people are saying to you; it is not you they have rejected, but they have rejected me as their king. 8 As they have done from the day I brought them up out of Egypt until this day, forsaking me and serving other gods, so they are doing to you. 9 Now listen to them; but WARN them solemnly and let them know what the king (OBAMA?!) who will reign over them will do.”

    10 Samuel told all the words of the Lord to the people who were asking him for a king. 11 He said, “This is what the king who will reign over you will do: he will take your sons and make them serve with his chariots and horses (He will enslave you and your children), and they will run in front of his chariots. 12 Some he will assign to be commanders of thousands and commanders of fifties, and others to plow his ground and reap his harvest, and still others to make weapons of war and equipment for his chariots. 13 He will take your daughters to be perfumers and cooks and bakers. 14 He will take the best of your fields and vineyards and olive groves and give them to his attendants. 15 He will take a tenth of your grain and of your vintage and give it to his officials and attendants. 16 Your male and female servants and the best of your cattle and donkeys he will take for his own use. 17 He will take a tenth of your flocks, and you yourselves will become his SLAVES. 18 When that day comes, you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen, but the Lord will not hear you in that day.”

    19 But the people refused to listen to Samuel. “No!” they said. “We want a king over us. 20 Then we will be like all the other nations, with a king to lead us and to go out before us and fight our battles.” (And let us do ANYTHING we want!)

    21 When Samuel heard all that the people said, he repeated it before the Lord. 22 The Lord answered,


    I know most (Of the G-dless/Atheist) won’t get/understand the message…. but for those that seek to REPLACE/REMOVE G-d (As America is now doing) —- He will give America her hearts desire and Hell will lead over Her.

    She will lose her blessings and protection and her enemies will overtake her.

    Psalm 127:1

    “Unless the Lord builds the house (Village, State, Country, Empire), the builders labor in vain. Unless the Lord watches over the city (Village, State, Country, Empire),


    “Group Demands Satan, Allah, Odin and Others Be Added to ‘God Bless the Military’ Display”

    What the verses above mean is that if America wants “Satan, Allah, Odin, etc…. to “Be Their King” — then He will hand her over to Satan, Allah, Odin etc…. to be their King!!!!

    And when Her enemies come to Slaughter, Kill, Enslave and aught wise DESTROY YOU….


    1 Sam 8:18

    18 When that day comes (THAT ALLAH HAS BECOME YOUR KING and SHARIAH HAS BECOME YOUR LAW), you will cry out for relief from the king you have chosen,
    So —- PUT YOUR SIGNS UP!!!!