60-Year-Old Ohio ‘Pastor’ Committing Adultery With Pregnant Teenager Has Wife’s ‘Blessing’

ThomMillerA 60-year-old Ohio former mob enforcer, who now considers himself a minister of God, has “married” his teenage bride and got her pregnant, all with the blessing of the other lady in his life — his 44-year-old wife.

“The whole situation works for all three of us,” Thom Miller told Barcroft Media. “I am the only one who is allowed to have more than one partner — and both of my wives understand and appreciate that.”


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  • Mary Taylor

    Nothing Christian about this. He has got them brain washed big time! Sick

    • Josey

      It’s a lot easier to brainwash a 19 yr old but later he will take another young one into his sick ways and not just him his real wife thinks this is right also, what makes it worse is he is doing it in the Name of the Lord which is vain, imo and he will find others who want more than one wife to be in his flock. Not satisfied with one wife but is out to fulfil his own wants and desires all the while professing Christ is for it. You are right, sick.

      • cookies

        i totally agree

      • wandakate

        Perverted, but sin will dominate the world before JESUS appears again. Sin will be rampant, and lawlessness will abound. It’s apparently ALL about him, it’s a “what’s in this for ME” attitude. He’s concerned about his own sexual pleasures, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he’s not in bed with both of them at the same time, one on one side and one on the other. Isn’t he having fun? It won’t be any fun when he faces judgment and accounts to JESUS for his miserable sins and how he manage to underhandedly brainwash both of these ladies, and if he found a third one, it wouldn’t surprise me.
        He has NO business in the ministry at all, he’s a fraud, not a godly man of GOD!!!

    • wandakate

      Oh Mary, just before I read this and saw the article I said to myself, boy are those two brainwashed. They are so into him and what he’s providing for them, that they don’t know anything else. They appear happy, but who knows.
      GOD didn’t intend for men to have two wives. And he doesn’t qualify for what is known as a minister, so if he has any type of congregation, they should be dismissing him asap. Having two wives isn’t godly at all, but JESUS will surely deal with this man in the end. Your sins will find you out…

  • Melissa Johnson

    Amen. He’s no man of God, and God will deal with him. He’s a pervert.

    • cookies

      i agree

  • ricknick59

    He thinks that he can have his cake and eat it too! Wait till he finds out that the baker of his cake was satan!

    • Chris Nystrom

      Do you believe all of the patriarchs are in hell?

      • ricknick59

        What are you even talking about? He clearly goes against what the bible says. You can’t adlib the bible. It isn’t a book of suggestions. You either believe it or you don’t. The bible makes it quite clear that his lifestyle is wrong. There is no point in claiming you are a Christian and then living anyway you feel like! This is not just a sin that can be overlooked. He will not be in heaven, period. He thinks this is OK, so he is not repenting for it. If you do not ask for forgiveness for your sins and live in an unrepentant lifestyle then you have sealed your own fate!

        • Chris Nystrom

          “The bible makes it quite clear that his lifestyle is wrong.” – There are no verses that say what you say that polygamy is a sin. In fact, the Bible does not even use the word polygamy. The Bible just calls it marriage. You are the one in opposition to the Bible. My point was that many of the great patriarchs of the Bible were polygamists (Abraham, David, etc). Are you suggesting that they are in hell?

          • ricknick59

            Even the Jews that study the scriptures know that this is wrong! NO, the bible says a man will have one wife. Originally marriage was to be between one man and one woman(Genesis 2:22). God ‘allowed’ certain variations under the Mosaic Law for a time, as a ‘concession'(Matthew 19:8)though much friction arose over polygamy(Genesis 16:1-4)(Genesis 29:18-30:24) and God specifically warned against it as time went on(Deuteronomy 17:15, 17). Once the Christian congregation was formed, however, God’s direction was reaffirmed, ONE wife per husband(1Corinthians 7:2; 1Timothy 3:2)(Ephesians 5:33)(Matthew 19:4-6) .

          • Chris Nystrom

            “Even the Jews that study the scriptures know that this is wrong!” – Polygamy was not banned by the Jews until Rabbi Gershom’s famous edict in 1000 AD.

          • ricknick59

            The word of God does, I gave you the verses, try reading them!

          • Chris Nystrom

            Deut 17:17 is actually a pro-polygamy verse. Normally there was a limit on the number of wives that one could afford. Kings who lived off the labor of others did not have such a restriction, so this verse told them not to over do it. It certainly is not a ban on polygamy. If the rule was “one and only one” then there would not be the need for a verse that said “not too many”.

          • Chris Nystrom

            “God ‘allowed’ certain variations under the Mosaic Law for a time, as a ‘concession'(Matthew 19:8)” – This verse is about divorce, not polygamy. You are extrapolating your own theory that is not found in the Bible. “Since he allowed divorce, he must have allowed polygamy”. There is no evidence.

          • ricknick59

            So you ignore all the other verses that I gave you. Typical non believer. It is wrong and no matter what you say you can not justify it! You just like to argue semantics just like satan does, you are in your kind of company!

          • Sean

            Calling him a non believer is wrong! This question has in fact been debated for a long time. The question that should be asked is not “Did God allow this” , but did God tolerate it since human flesh was to the flesh. It is being debated today because as people go into cultures where multiples wives are common what do you say to a person that is already married to more then one that accepts Christ? Do you tell them to drop the other wives that they already have kids with? Do you tell them to divorce them? It is a question that needs to be debate. The guy in the article above is just a fool who is following the desires of the flesh.

          • Chris Nystrom

            Thank you Sean. That is an excellent point and is illustrative of why it is wrong to call something a sin when it is not. Christian missionairies go into another culture such as Africa and break up perfectly good families and cast women and children out to fend forthemselves simply to follow the misguided principle that only monogamy is acceptable to God when this is clearly not true.

          • wandakate

            I will agree he’s following the desires of the flesh, just like homosexuals do. People have gone against what GOD intended since the beginning, but He clearly created 1 man and 1 women to be together and that’s it.
            This particular women is brainwashed, and if she had an ounce of common sense she would divorce him. Maybe it’s convenient for her if she’s not in the mood for sex, he can just have it with the young girl instead. It seems to be what suits the 3 of them…it’s all about what feels right and good, and if it’s going against the laws of GOD, they don’t seem to be worried about it.
            HELL will be packed full of people who didn’t worry about their sins.

          • Chris Nystrom

            I do not know what you are talking about. I responded to Genesis 2:22, Duet 17:17 and Matthew 19:8.

          • Chris Nystrom

            “Originally marriage was to be between one man and one woman(Genesis 2:22)” – The man who wrote this (Moses) was a polygamist. I do not think he would share your interpretation. P.S. Do you believe Moses is in hell?

        • wandakate

          TARGET!!! Confession, repentance and then we must forsake those sins in order to receive any forgiveness from JESUS. You are right, in the condition that all 3 of them are now in, nobody’s going to heaven and anybody in his church that comes to listen to this man is deceived. It’s the blind leading the blind and they will ALL fall into the ditch. He is a fake, phony person, and is deceiving people, and has brainwashed the woman and the girl into thinking this is all acceptable, it’s all okay. If it feels good, then go for it. He is himself deceived, he believes what he lives apparently.
          He has some SOUL searching to do. He’s a lost soul himself…

      • wandakate

        NO, there aren’t any people in hell yet. They haven’t been judged. They are according to scripture still dead in their graves. They are waiting on the resurrection of the dead so they can face their judgment.
        Nobody’s in heaven now either, they’ll all waiting in their graves for the appearance of JESUS and the angels to come down from heaven in the clouds and raise up the graves. That is when they will see JESUS face to face, hear His voice and go to be with Him for eternity.
        So, no not yet the patriarchs aren’t there if that is where they are going.
        HELL is total separation from GOD and anything good forever.

  • Toro Keng

    This is sick not just because of the lifestyle, but because of using God’s name for his wicked way, and telling the world that God is okay with this…..

  • Angel Jabbins

    “I am the only one who is allowed to have more than one partner — and both of my wives understand and appreciate that.”

    How can he be legally married to two women? I thought that was still illegal in this nation. Did I miss something? Has the state of Ohio just legalized polygamy? If he is not married legally, why is this being allowed? Oh, let me guess…it feels right for them so others must not interfere or judge as long as they are all happy with the arrangement.

    • Chris Nystrom

      He is not married legally. “why is this being allowed?” – by whom? You want the government to break them up because he used the term “married”? Or do you want government to arrest all whom you believe to be fornicators and adulterers even though it can not even police homosexuality?

      • Angel Jabbins

        Who said anything about the gov’t arresting everyone they think might be a fornicator or adulterer? Wouldn’t the gov’t have to go into people’s private bedrooms to discover that?

        What this man and his ‘wives’ are doing is out in the open. This guy is seeking legal marital status, going public with his ‘arrangement’…going viral!….promoting it as an alternative/option to traditional one man-one woman marriage….even making it sound like it is a gift from God!

        Now that gay marriage is legal, what rationale can the Court use to deny ‘marriage rights’ to anyone who just ‘feels’ their particular ‘arrangement’ it is right for them. This is where we have deteriorated to as a society: If is feels right for you, then IS right and no one should allowed to pass judgment on it. The slippery slope is a natural consequence when absolute morality goes out the window. I predict stories like this one will become common place and before long, polygamists will be a protected class just like the gays. Wait, watch, and see.

        • thelordlives2011

          Good Point Angel. Homosexuality is a perversion, polygamy is a perversion, married your daughter or son is a perversion, etc. How can the court say one form of perversion is worse than another. Before long people will be wanting to married their dog, cats, and horses.

          • wandakate

            JESUS said IF you’ve broken one commandments, you’ve broken them all.

        • wandakate

          In other words we are a very depraved society of souls…We have put GOD and His moral laws on the back burner or burned them all together and are living as we so see fit. If it feels good, then it’s okay, so do it…It’s all about “ME” and what works for me, so shut up and don’t condemn me.
          OK, however, GOD knows what’s going on and the real condition of their hearts and all those like them, and HE will be sure they are taken care of on judgment day.
          “Vengeance is mine, said the LORD, and I will repay”. It’s a terrible thing to fall into the hands of the living GOD.
          JESUS said, “IF you love me, keep my commandments”. This man is breaking them, not keeping them. And he calls himself a pastor or a man of GOD. GOD’s not answering his prayers. He doesn’t answer the prayers of sinners.
          JESUS also said, “NOT everyone who says to me, LORD, LORD, will enter the Kingdom of GOD, but only the ones who DO the will of the FATHER”.
          He is fooling himself, his 2 women are brainwashed and all three of them are in judgment with the LORD.

      • wandakate

        If they’re not legally married (which I do not know if they are or not), then of course they are living in fornication with the young girl and he’s an adulterer with the wife and thus guilty of that, meaning WHY IS HE ALLOWED TO BE A PASTOR OF A CHURCH????? This is apostasy and lawlessness for sure.

        • Chris Nystrom

          It can not be adultery. She is single and he has taken her for a wife. No where does the Bible call polygamy adultery. In fact the Bible does not even use the word polygamy. It simply calls it marriage and you can not commit adultery if you are married. There is no Biblical requirement to get a marriage license from the state to take a woman as your wife.

        • Chris Nystrom

          “WHY IS HE ALLOWED TO BE A PASTOR OF A CHURCH???” – Allowed by who?

    • The Arc of the Moral Universe

      It was mentioned in the story that he is seeking legal recognition from the state of Ohio for his polygamous marriage.

      After the Obergefell ruling, he can’t lose.

      • Angel Jabbins

        You are exactly right. He can’t lose. Gay marriage opened the way for polygamy.

    • wandakate

      I was wondering (just like you), what did I miss here. Did that state just legalize polygamy. I know Colorado or Utah or one of those allowed it, or at least those Mormons out there get away with having more than 1 wife. There was that show on TV called “Sister Wives”, and didn’t he have 4 wives or something like that? So I’m not sure if it’s legal or if they just get away with it, and they have usually anywhere from 5-15 kids running around.
      Where is the LAW that we’re supposed to be abiding by? They clamp down on one law and let another one go.

  • Shaun D.

    In truth, Almighty God in Heaven doesn’t condemn having more than one wife, but He does make it clear we are to obey the laws of our country. We are also to be good providers for them.

    When the Father of our faith took his handmaid to be his second wife, did GOD chide with, condemn, rebuke or correct or punish him???

    ….you know the answer, NO, God never punished, corrected, rebuked or chided with Abraham for taking a second wife!!!!

    Biblically speaking, having more than one wife is fine with God as long as the husband takes seriously his duties as a provider and protector.

    • sanz31

      Biblically speaking “Let deacons each be the husband of one wife, managing their children and their own households well.” – 1 Timothy 3:12

      • Jade

        That scripture only applies to deacons and elders. Paul also said that if you are not married, don’t get married because the end of times is near. How did that work out? Still here after 2000 years.

        • Chris Nystrom

          For them it was the end times. Google Siege of Jerusalem (70CE).

      • Shaun D.

        That’s the truth, but it’s not a sin..

    • Stephan Coertzen

      (1Ti 3:2) A bishop (G1985) then (G3767) must (G1163) be (G1511) blameless, (G423) the husband (G435) of one (G3391) wife, (G1135) vigilant, (G3524) sober, (G4998) of good behaviour, (G2887) given to hospitality, (G5382) apt to teach; (G1317)

      so what is bishop here in greek?

      ἐπίσκοπος
      episkopos
      ep-is’-kop-os
      From G1909 and G4649 (in the sense of G1983); a superintendent, that is, Christian officer in general charge of a (or the) church (literally or figuratively): – bishop, overseer.

      So sound like a pastor to me.

      • Chris Nystrom

        See discussion of “mia” (G3391) above. I dispute the truth of what you write, but even if true it would only disqualify him from office in the same way that women are not qualified for church office. A woman can not have a wife for example.

        • Stephan Coertzen

          Ok so even if you replace the ‘one’ with ‘first’, 1Ti 3:2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of first wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

          Thus husband of first wife…. Husband …. thus married only to his first wife.

          • Chris Nystrom

            No. A husband of his first wife and second wife is still husband to his first wife. The idea is that you can not divorce your first wife so you can afford to marry your second wife. You can have the second one, but you have to keep the first one. See Matthew 19:9.

          • Josey

            you cannot legally have two wives in the US and besides that I refer to Jesus who said in Matthew 19:5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? Jesus mentioned nothing about adding another woman or many women into the mix.

          • Chris Nystrom

            Are married men exempt from 1 Cor 6:16 because they have used up their “one flesh” or is it possible to be “one flesh” with more than one person?

          • Josey

            Not w/out committing adultery or fornication.

          • Chris Nystrom

            Was David’s relationship with Abigial adultery or fornication? Why do you think so? Why did God not send a prophet to David to rebuke him for this relationship?

          • Stephan Coertzen

            That’s twisting scripture. Paul did not add the word wives (plural) later.

            This is like adding to scripture, giving into worldly lusts and using the bible to make something righteous that is not of God. Did God make one Eve for Adam? I pray that the Holy Spirit shows us this and the truth that’s in His Word.

            Deu 17:17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.

            The LORD is speaking about kings in this verse. We are now kings and queens through the blood of Jesus.

            1Co 7:2 Nevertheless, to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every woman have her own husband.

            Everywhere it’s in singular form.

            Mat 19:9 And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and SHALL MARRY ANOTHER, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.

            “and shall marry another” so your first wive must commit fornication according to Jesus if you marry another. Everywhere He talk about your wife in singular form. To twist this is to deny Jesus and thus you have the spirit of the anti-christ.

          • Chris Nystrom

            “Deu 17:17 Neither shall he multiply wives to himself, that his heart turn not away: neither shall he greatly multiply to himself silver and gold.” – This verse does not mean “one and only one wife” any more than it means “one and only one” piece of gold.

          • Chris Nystrom

            “Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and SHALL MARRY ANOTHER, committeth adultery:”

            Right. Which is why polygamists keep their first wives when they marry another. What you can not do (even though it is still popular in modern times) is divorce your first wife so you can afford to marry another.

          • Chris Nystrom

            “and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.” – Indeed. There are a lot of Christians that marry divorced women. This is VERY BAD. God hates divorce. You have to keep them, like the subject man in this article did.

    • Chris Nystrom

      The man in the article is breaking no laws. He does not have two marriage licenses. He does seek to change the law to accomodate his beliefs. There is no crime in that.

      • Josey

        Then how is he married to both women if he is not legally married according to US law? This then would be considered adultery if he is legally married to one and then has another woman on the side.

        • Chris Nystrom

          “Then how is he married to both women if he is not legally married according to US law?” – “Legal marriage” is not a Biblical concept. Is the homosexual couple who has a marriage license from the state considered married by God? Hint – There is no requirement from the Bible to get a license from the state for marriage.

          • Sean

            Romans 13 would disagree with you. Since marriage is considered under civil law and in order for you marriage to be recognized as such the state would need to be notified.

          • Chris Nystrom

            It is not against the law to take a woman and call her your wife without getting a marriage license. He is breaking no laws and is not in violation of Roman 13.

      • Sean

        He is not breaking any laws, but he is sinning in the eyes of God since only one of the women are his lawful bride. So, the other he is committing adultery with.

        • Chris Nystrom

          Not exactly. Neither woman are married to another man so it can not be adultery (Bathsheba was adultery, Abigail was not adultery). If he takes the second woman without marrying her then it could be considered fornication, which is why it is essential that he DOES make her his wife. Making her his wife (and assuming the related responsibilities) makes the relationship holy in God’s eyes.

          • Sean

            I am going to have to disagree with that. If he were married to both and then came to faith that would be one thing. As it is he claims to be a believer and yet he is trying to have multiple wives. In the Gospel Christ says when a man and woman leave their homes they become one. That was it, He did not say when a man and another woman, but only the one. Therefore He went back to the basic design of marriage. It was only tolerated in the OT, but not condoned.

          • Chris Nystrom

            Polygamist believe that man and woman become one, too. They just believe that a man can do this with more than one woman. They do not believe that there is any difference teaching between the teaching of the OT and the NT. For example, Roman 7:2,3 is only for wives, not husbands. Why? The Bible never says that “polygamy was tolerated, but not condoned”. You are confusing the teaching on divorce with polygamy by unwarranted extrapolation.

    • David McDonald

      Actually God did punish him. And is still punishing the nation of Israel, Abraham’s descendants, through the line of Ishmael. Think about the middle east and realize that the descendants of Ishmael are still at war with the descendants of Issac. So actually Abraham’s immoral decision to this day still is being punished.

  • Jade

    To all of the radical Christian extremist, here is the perfect example of Biblical marriage. So often when I hear negative comments about gay marriage, I hear Christians say that they believe in Biblical marriage – a marriage where a man can marry as many wives as he wants. The women however, must be virgins before marriage (or they should be put to death) and submissive to their husbands after marriage. The wives should cover their heads to show that husbands have authority over them because the angels are watching. The Bible is a very human book written by MEN.

    • Chris Nystrom

      I am guessing you are not a Christian?

      • Jade

        I am saying don’t worship the Bible (Bible idolatry) because it is a very human book, and as you would expect with a very human book written by numerous writers over thousands of years,it is full of contradictions. If you want to be a Christian then worship Jesus.

        • Chris Nystrom

          A noble effort. One problem may be that I do not think Jesus whom you worship approached scripture the way you do. John 10:35 for example.

    • bowie1

      Where does it say that? When God brought Eve unto Adam it was her alone. For this reason a man shall leave his mother and his father and the two shall become one in flesh. Men may have practiced poligamy but this is not how it was in the beginning.

      • Chris Nystrom

        The man who wrote this (Moses) was a polygamist. I do not think he would agree with your interpretation.

        • bowie1

          That doesn’t change the fact that it was not the way God had intended it. You confuse what is supposed to be and what God made it to be, and sometimes he tolerated sin for a while.

          • Chris Nystrom

            The point is that just because you see a pattern, does not make it a pattern to be followed. You can just as easily say that man’s job is to try to marry all of the woman on the planet. After all, that is what Adam did. We know that the pattern of not getting a divorce was part of God’s plan because the Bible says so (Matthew 19). The Bible never says that monogamy is a pattern to be followed. There were plenty of opportunities for God to say it was, if it was, but he did not.

        • Jeanne12345

          What interpretation would Moses have used?

          • Chris Nystrom

            I do not think he thought of Adam’s monogamy was a pattern to be followed when he took a second wife.

      • Jade

        613 laws given “and God said to Moses”, but not a single law that a man should have only one wife (even though Moses includes a law on digging a hole to relieve yourself and covering the excrement so God does not see it (Deuteronomy 23:12-14). The scripture you quoted is a sexual “one in flesh” as we see in 1 Corinthians 6:16 “if a man joins himself to a prostitute he becomes one with her. For the Scripture say, the two are united into one”. Deuteronomy 21:15-17 says that if a man has 2 wives but loves one …”. Deuteronomy 17:17 “The king must not take MANY wives for himself”. 2 Samuel 12:8 says that God gave King David King Saul’s house and wives…and if that had not been enough he would have given much, much more. King David had many wives like most Biblical men, and his son Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines. Do you really want to try to deny that according to scripture, God was okay with men having multiple wives? It was the women that could however only have 1 husband!

        • Chris Nystrom

          Exactly. Excellent.

  • Representative

    sensationalism. this is not newsworthy

    • Nidalap

      It DO have that tabloid-like feel to it, doesn’t it just? 🙂

  • Karl Ruffing

    What Bible college did this guy graduate from?? The Bible which I read from says in 1 Timothy 3 that a bishop (pastor of a church) must be the husband of ONE wife. This fellow is committing adultery, plain and simple.

    • Chris Nystrom

      The word ONE here is “mia” which can also mean “first” as in Acts 20:7 (which uses the same word). So the verse could mean “first wife”. It can also mean “one wife”, “only one wife” or “one and only one wife”. It is ambguous. 1 Timothy 3:4 says “he must manage his own household well”. I submit that this verse means that a man must be married and must still be married to the wife of his youth (his first) and thus be managing his household well. I further submit that the idea that this means “one and only one” wife is viewing the verse with a modern Western civilization lens. Jews at this time would have thought that a man with a second wife was managing his household well.

      • Karl Ruffing

        Interpret whatever way you will, it is still illegal in all 50 states!

        • Chris Nystrom

          For how long? You might be interested in the Brown vs. Buhman case.

          • Karl Ruffing

            Do you think this is an acceptable lifestyle from a person who claims to be a Christian pastor?

          • Chris Nystrom

            A lifestyle like Abraham, Moses, David, etc? The truth is that itt does not matter what I think or what you think. It only matters what God thinks. I know he sent a prophet to rebuke David for Bathsheba, but Gid did not seem to mind David marrying Abigail.

          • wandakate

            ABSOLUTELY NOT…NO, NOT BY ANY MEANS IN THE BOOK.
            His name will NOT be written in GOD’s book. He is under judgment. Unless they all confess, repent and forsake their sins they will by no means enter in to the Kingdom Of GOD.
            There won’t be any SINNERS there.

        • The Arc of the Moral Universe

          So was homosexual marriage.

      • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

        The translators beg to differ with you. To express your concept “must still be married to his first wife” is within the grasp of any language, but this is not what the text says. French: “mari d’une seul femme”. German: “eines Weibes Mann”. Latin: “esse unius uxoris”. In English, “one wife” is not the same as “wife one”, even though the word “one” carries both meanings of “first” and “single”. You are almost as much in error as the comment you are answering.

        • Chris Nystrom

          The translators are not inspired and “first” is a legitimate translation of “mia” as in Acts 20:7. But even if we were to concede that it meant “one” instead of “first” in English it is still ambiguous. “One” can mean “at least one” (must be married), “no more than one” (must not be polygamous), “one and only one” (must be married and not be polygamous). Then even if it were to be conceded that this refers to polygamy (which is highly debatable) then you would still have the problem of why this only applies to leadership. Weak. In short if this is all you have to prove the polygamy is a sin you have nothing. Compare it to a popular sin like divorce. God says, “I hate divorce” (Malachi 2:16), but lots of Christians do it anyway. There are no verses that say “I hate polygamy”. Why not pick on all of the divorced people instead of this guy who is following in the footsteps of heroes of the faith like Abraham, Moses, David, etc?

          • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

            Not managing your family well or having a poor reputation is not necessarily a sin, but it does render you unqualified for Christian leadership. Abraham and David were heroes on account of their faith, rather than their polygamy. It is also by no means established that Moses married more than one woman at a time. To refuse the wisdom of the wise does not show you wise.

          • Chris Nystrom

            I am glad you agree that polygamy is not a sin.

            “To refuse the wisdom of the wise does not show you wise.” – I am guessing you are referring to yourself here?

            “I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter.” – Martin Luther

          • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

            You make it clear that there is plenty of sin to go around here.

        • wandakate

          Anybody that reads can read a Bible in Genesis and see where GOD created ONE MAN and ONE WOMAN. If He would have thought that Adam needed more than one mate (woman) He would have proceeded to create another one or two for Him. He also did not seem to think that Adam needed another male for a mate, so GOD just created what was right which was ONE man and ONE woman and that is how it was to be.
          The man was to leave the mother and father and cleave only unto his ONE WIFE, and that was to be until one of them died.
          So, nothing else would matter after that.

          • Chris Nystrom

            Wonderful theory. It is just not in the Bible. It would be easy enough for God to say one wife per man, but he does not Further it would be easy enough for God to rebuke those the violate the pattern that you have identified, if God agreed with it, but he does not. He never says a word against polygamy or those that practice it. Further, he even told David that he would have provided David more wives had he wanted any (2 Samuel 12:8). That does not seem to fit with your hypothesis that God considers it evil.

    • wandakate

      He doesn’t meet the qualification of being a Pastor…He’s a fraud, but if Ohio is going to allow him to continue to be, then that is their issue, but the man and the two women have to account to GOD in the end. Why on earth would that young teenage girl want to marry him. She should have been dating and if and when she did marry it should have been a guy around her own age, she totally messed up and she must be very uneducated, just dumb to fall for this set up.

  • afchief

    2 Timothy 3 (NASB) But realize this, that in the last days difficult times will come. 2 For men will be lovers of self, lovers of money, boastful, arrogant, revilers, disobedient to parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 unloving, irreconcilable, malicious gossips, without self-control, brutal, haters of good, 4 treacherous, reckless, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 holding to a form of godliness, although they have denied its power; Avoid such men as these. 6 For among them are those who enter into households and captivate weak women weighed down with sins, led on by various impulses, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

    • Chris Nystrom

      1 Timothy 4:3 – “They forbid people to marry…”

      • Josey

        1 Timothy 4:1-5 vs1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
        2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
        3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.
        4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving: 5 For it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

        Paul is not forbidding anyone to marry in this passage. The Holy Spirit is speaking against those who forbid a man and woman to marry. Paul further expresses his own desire to Timothy later that he prefers not to marry as is his choice so that he can dedicate his life and ministry to the Lord fully w/out distraction which is not a commandment from the Lord but Paul says is a gift to some men who choose that commitment to the Lord.

        • Chris Nystrom

          “Paul is not forbidding anyone to marry in this passage.” – Correct, but you are failing to see the irony.

          The Bible never uses the word polygamy. It calls it “marriage”. When you forbid polygamy, you forbid what the Bible calls marriage. This is morally wrong according to 1 Timothy 4:3.

          • wandakate

            Marriage-between 2 people (one man-one woman)…
            Polygamy-anything other than one wife and one husband, i.e. multiple partners all living together, one man with more than one wife, or one wife with more than one husband.
            Fornication-living with and having sex with a person that you are not married to.
            Adultery-Sex outside of marriage with one or more persons.
            Homosexual-Two people of the same gender, having sex with one another. It’s ONLY a union in GOD’s eyes, it’s NOT a marriage, as that is ONLY between one man and one woman.

          • Chris Nystrom

            I understand that this is the prevailing idea in our culture, but it is wrong. Adultery is a sexual relationship with a married woman not your wife. For example, David’s relationship with Abigial was not adultery as she was not married (Nabal was dead). David’s relationship with Bathsheba was adultery as Uriah was still alive. In both cases David was already married, but his marital status is not significant. See Roman 7:2,3.

          • wandakate

            Adultery is an AFFAIR! If I am married and I have an affair with another man who is married, or I have an affair with a man who is not married, it won’t matter b/c I was the one who committed the sin, I was the adulteress.
            IF a man who is married sleeps with a married or unmarried woman, he is an adulterer, and there is no other way around that.
            Adultery is a sexual relationship with anybody that’s not your own wife or husband. In other words outside of the bonds of marriage.

          • Chris Nystrom

            So is it your claim that David’s relationship with Abigail was adultery?

        • Oboehner

          Shhhh… the catholics may be listening.

    • wandakate

      YES afchief, it’s all right there in the word, so if we know the word, then there isn’t any stress over wondering what’s going on, we will know. This is ALL just fulfillment of the scriptures that so many think are obsolete, they are not valid for today and thus are considered irrelevant. However, we both know that’s not true. They are sealing their own fate and will account to JESUS for all of it.
      Either their names are written in the Lambs Book of Life, or they are not.
      There will be NO sin in the Kingdom of GOD.

  • Chris Nystrom

    Marrying a second wife is never considered adultery in the Bible. Adultery is a relationship with a woman who is married to someone else. David’s relationship with Bathsheba was adultery because she was married to Uriah who was still living. David’s relationship to Abigail was not adultery because Nebal was dead. In both cases David was already married, but that fact is irrelavant. See Romans 7:2,3.

    • Emmanuel

      how many morally right wives do you have Chris?

      • Chris Nystrom

        Judges 5:30

        • Emmanuel

          So you have two blessed and holy wives with colorful coats?

          • Chris Nystrom

            If I did Deborah seems to be of the opinion that it would be a great blessing. What do you think? Was Deborah someone righteous in God’s eyes or wicked?

          • Emmanuel

            Dude, we are living under the new covenant. You know what that is?
            Hint; we no longer live under those laws.

          • Chris Nystrom

            There are no laws in the OT or the NT that prevent you from taking a second wife.

          • Emmanuel

            Or a minor wife or two, right?

          • Chris Nystrom

            My mother in law was married at 15 and was happily married for over 50 years. They have since moved the legal age up to 16 in Texas. There is no legal, moral, or Biblical reason why a minor can not get married. Marriage is a holy and honorable instituition. You are simply trying to slander a culture that is different than yours, that you do not understand and are afraid of since you are out of Biblical arguments. I am sorry the Bible does not say what you want it to say, such as having an age restriction on marriage, but it does not.

          • Emmanuel

            I’m just exposing you as the fool. you walked right into it. You have no clue as to the bible. I’ve studied the Bible for many years. You take the Bible and make it to fit your sexual needs, desire and sexual immoral behavior. So, enjoy your 3 child wives and keep telling yourself that you are right in the eyes of God.

          • Chris Nystrom

            I am very glad you have studied the Bible for years. Please share your expertise. What age can you get married according to the Bible (and please reference your scripture)?

  • Rebecca

    These 3 are not Christians, so enjoy your heathen ways.

  • Emmanuel

    I hope the SSM group can accept this as normal or holy.

  • Re Readyforpeace Strickland

    I can’t judge. #justgonsmh

    • Rebecca

      We are to judge righteously, not hypocritically.

      • Re Readyforpeace Strickland

        Understand your perspectiv. However, I’ll pass because I know there may be something somewhere in my life that someone may not agree with either. So for me to judge I’ll pass. To me it does not have to be the sane situation. Let he without sin cast the first stone. #itsnotme

        • Rebecca

          Well, here’s this which I think is good info… www dot gotquestions dot org/do-not-judge dot html

          One thing I will say is if we don’t stand up to sin and call it what it is, assuming we’re not being hypocritically when addressing a specific sin, it gives the impression to the other person that their sin is ok and fine with God. Hope you’ll read the piece at the link. Good day.

          • Re Readyforpeace Strickland

            Opinions are allowed. Thank you for the information. Found their site yesterday loved it.

  • Samuel F Waddell

    It may be ok with his wife but it will never be ok with JESUS! We must all repent! ( LUKE 13 )

  • Georgia Devine

    HE IS NO MAN OF GOD!!!!!! He is a pervert and convinced his wife otherwise.

    • wandakate

      Agree, and she’s stupid so she fell for it. She should divorce Him. Saying, it’s either her or me, not both. And the poor young girl is just young and naïve.
      But, you would think she would have enough sense to know it’s wrong, he’s old enough to be the father. I couldn’t hear the video, I just watched it, so I don’t know if he is related to the young girl or not…

      • Chris Nystrom

        “She should divorce Him.” – I find it odd that you recommend divorce which clearly God hates (Malachi 2:16), but polygamy for some reason offends you even though God says nothing against it. Hmm….

        • wandakate

          The word polygamy isn’t in the scriptures as far as I have seen. It would come under the classification of ADULTERY!
          Adultery, polygamy and fornication would all be related. You are getting technical and picky about the words.
          To be honest it doesn’t matter to me what they do, b/c I have NO control over any of it anyway. And GOD will deal with the situation…

          • Chris Nystrom

            List one place in scripture where a polygamist is called an adulterer. It really is not technical. David is already married and Abigail is called a wife, not an adultress. No rebuke from God. There is nothing tricky about it. It just does not fit in with your culture and beliefs.

          • wandakate

            You know what I don’t care one way or the other, so let’s just close this all out by saying YOU ARE EXACTLY RIGHT ! Okay, do you feel better now? No more is necessary one way or the other. What they did at that time, and what GOD did at that time is in the “past”.

  • Chris Nystrom

    Abigail from the Bible. Was she David’s wife, his mistress or an adultress? Hint: 1 Samual 25:43.

  • The Arc of the Moral Universe

    I wonder if Ohio will fight this in court, considering that they just lost Obergefell only a few months ago.

  • cookies

    do not make the wrongs you did right….May the Lord forgive you..but you have to repent. beause what you did (all three of you) are not right.

  • marg

    Let’s just set this straight right here, this man is NOT a man of God. NO way NO how.

  • CynthiaSpeaks

    He is the only one allowed multiple partners; and the women are the ones who move in and out of the bedroom and he stays put. He hugs a young girl and it is “Whoa!” What a creep.

    Do whatever you skeezie people want but DON’T bring Jesus into it.

    • wandakate

      JESUS has nothing to do with any of it, just as He would have nothing to do with all of the worldly traditions that we celebrate today, all of our holidays are also pagan and not lining up with any of GOD’s Holy Days, or Festivals.
      So we have a world FULL of all kinds of sin and hell will be full in the end. We have broken His laws and we’re still doing it, but more and more so now it seems, or perhaps it’s just more open now that we have the internet to inform us of what’s going on all over. We don’t keep the commandments do we? No, we don’t and JESUS plainly said, “IF you love me, keep my commandments”, but who today gives a squat what JESUS said? And that’s our problem…

  • OldGP

    Sounds pretty much like many other stories from people who think they are in contact with what they call god.

  • Becky

    If he’s an overseer of a Christian Church then he’s allowed only one wife (1Tim3:1-7). So, according to the word of God, he’s not “allowed” to have more than one wife. Furthermore, no man was ever allowed more than one wife. Men decided to take on more than one wife and though it wasn’t a sin, it wasn’t part of God’s original plan for man, either.

    In Genesis 2:18, “The Lord God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I
    will make a *helper* suitable for him.” (helper is singular. emphasis added). In verses 21-23, it states that God made a woman (singular) for Adam from his own rib, so that he could have his “helper” and “wife” (singular). Verse 24 states, “That is why a man leaves his father and mother and is united to his wife, and they become one flesh.”

    Genesis 1:28 states, “God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number”. That was quite a task…“increase in number”…yet, Adam, in his 930 years of living, didn’t have to marry other women, nor did he need concubines, to help him increase in number. The first marriage between one man and one
    woman was/is God’s creation and it is holy (also see Matthew 19:6).

  • Ax2root

    Who is in his crazy perverted antichrist “church ” beside himself , his loony tune thinking wife and the pregnant victim of probably pedophilia?

  • ccalreds

    Sick, sick, sick. Melissa is right he is no man of God.

  • lizk

    right from the beginning it was one man and one wife. Even Jesus said that.

  • http://maxfur.com/ Max T. Furr

    It should be noted, however, that the god of the OT is believed to be the same god of the NT whose being and temperament does not change. Yet he not only sanctioned men having multiple wives (ex: Solomon) and extramarital intercourse (ex: Abraham), but blessed incest as well (Job and daughters).

    Is God’s sense of justice and morality something other than what we humans think them to be, such that he is exempt from his own just and moral laws?

    I suppose this boils down to the age old question from Socrates/Plato; does God do what he does because it is the right thing to do, or is whatever God does is right because he does it?