‘Heartbreaking’ New Show Follows ‘Pastor’ Friend of Kimye, Bieber: People Don’t Want ‘Bunch of Religion’

Wilkerson-compressed (1)MIAMI, Fla. — A new reality show that follows the life of a so-called “celebrity pastor” who married Kanye West and Kim Kardashian, and whose congregation attracted a visit from pop star Justin Bieber, is being characterized as “heartbreaking” by a pastor who speaks and writes about the glorification of ungodliness in Hollywood and the secular music industry.

“Rich in Faith” began airing on Dec. 2 on the Oxygen channel and features Rich Wilkerson, Jr., as he launches a new congregation called “Vous Church.”

“I come from a different perspective. I don’t think people are interested in a bunch of religion, like tell me what I can and can’t do,” Wilkerson says in the promotional video for the reality show. “But I think people are interested in having a relationship with a higher power.”

The preview shows Wilkerson getting a tattoo, lying on the beach with his bikini-clad wife, and telling his parents that he plans to hold his first service at a bar.

“You’re starting in a bar?” asks his father, Rich Wilkerson, Sr., who leads Trinity Church in Miami Gardens.

“What are people going to think, Rich?” his mother Robyn chimes in.

Wilkerson, who previously led a 1,500-member young adult group called “The Rendezvous” at Trinity, became known for marrying rap star Kanye West and Playboy cover model Kim Kardashian last year. He had met the couple two years prior after they visited his father’s congregation.

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“It began a relationship; we (Wilkerson and West) started emailing and calling each other. We collaborated on a few things: art, fashion, music, Jesus,” Wilkerson told People Magazine last year. “He invited me to write a few things for his tour, and I’ve been able to counsel him on a few things.”

Kanye West is known for his album “Yeezus,” and for bringing a man dressed as Jesus on stage during a show in Seattle.

“White Jesus, is that you?,” he asked on stage. “Oh [expletive]!”

Pop star Justin Bieber also visited the congregation, and Wilkerson recently praised him in an interview with Cosmopolitan.

“I think he is doing great,” he said. “I just saw him three days ago in L.A. He’s doing awesome. We are proud of him.”

As previously reported, in an interview with Complex Magazine in October, Bieber spoke much about his views on Christianity, criticizing churches that warn about Hell and Christians who are “overly churchy.” He stated, however, the he personally desires to be more outspoken about the Christian faith and just wants to “live like Jesus.” Days after the interview was released, Bieber made headlines for smoking marijuana and drinking Hennessy on stage.

Joe Schimmel, pastor of Blessed Hope Chapel in Simi Valley, California, and host of the documentary “They Sold Their Souls for Rock and Roll,” said that it “breaks his heart” in considering what he called the “greasy grace” and “circus”-like “gimmicks” that Wilkerson is employing.

“When Wilkerson’s church was new, one gimmick he employed was to offer to eat a live gold fish if 300 people attended. Some time later, he offered to be zapped with a stun gun when they hit 2,000 attendees,” he explained in a blog post.

While Wilkerson says that he believes in Hell and acknowledges that a person goes through a process of sanctification after coming to Christ, he says that specific sins are not discussed much from the pulpit.

“At our church, homosexuality is not a topic I like to chat about very much, but I don’t talk about a whole lot of issues,” Wilkerson told the Miami New Times last year. “I talk about what Jesus is for, not what he’s supposedly against.”

“I don’t know who’s going to Hell. I just know that followers of Jesus are going to Heaven — that’s what the Bible says,” he said. “My message isn’t ever who’s going where.”

Schimmel said that he is concerned with this characterization.

“Wilkerson’s church is a place where one can feel comfortable while involved in any number of sins and scandals,” he stated. “Wilkerson’s church one can be involved in adultery or homosexuality and not be concerned about hearing about who will go to Hell as Jesus often preached (Luke 16:19-31; Matthew 7:21-23; 25:31-46; Revelation 14:9-12; 21:8).”

“In Rich Wilkerson’s book ‘Sandcastle Kings,’ whose artwork was done by Kanye West at Wilkerson’s request, he claims that no matter how wicked one’s chosen lifestyle, one is permanently in Christ no matter what he does,” Schimmel further noted.

“When God looks at us He sees Christ,” Wilkerson writes. “But when we put our trust in Jesus, we are reminded that our performance does not dictate our position. His performance has already secured our position, in Him.”

Schimmel asked that Christians pray for Wilkerson, as well as West, Kardashian and Bieber.

“Please pray for Rich Wilkerson and other teachers who are preaching the false gospel of prosperity and greasy grace,” he said. “As a pastor, my heart breaks for those who are teaching such serious false doctrines and condoning the wickedness of the world system that so plagues the Church.”

“My heart breaks because I fear and tremble, knowing that the Scriptures declare that we will have a stricter judgment (James 3:1-2), give an account for souls (Hebrews 13:17), and that the blood of those who perish, will be on our heads if we fail to preach repentance and the whole counsel of God (Acts 20:21, 26-27),” Schimmel lamented.


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  • Nidalap

    Well, if it’s a church that they think is reality-show worthy, that’s really all we need to know right there…

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Amen. And if one wants reality, one needs to think of Hell.

  • 201821208 :)

    “And turn ye not aside: for then should ye go after vain things, which cannot profit nor deliver; for they are vain.” 1 Samuel 12:21

  • Josey

    Breaks my heart also. No change of heart required to attend should be the sign on the door. Jesus loved us so much that He was beaten unrecognizable, humiliated, nailed to a cross for our sins and yet this place and so many so called churches think that was for nothing apparently, you can come to their church, claim you love Jesus then go and do things that the word of God tells us not to do, that is appealing only to those who have not given their lives to Christ’s Lordship. This guy should be very afraid for what he is teaching, time is short, I pray the conviction of the Holy Spirit so envelopes him before it’s too late. What a waste of the talents God has given him and I guess being a friend to the world is more important to him than obeying God.

  • Chris Gerber

    I read the reports about Bieber converting to Christianity and believed them. Now, it appears that he has taken a wrong path down a slippery slope. Too bad, so sad. He needs to be straightened out about what he believes if he is following this guy Wilkerson…. as well as Wilkerson himself,

    • Chris Gerber

      Somehow, regarding Wilkerson, I don’t think there is going to be a change. But, stranger things have happened. Let hope and pray that he does change his ways.

  • Eddie frOly

    Well someone should inform Biebs that if he wants to be more like Jesus he.needs to be willing to talk about Hell as an actual place. Because Jesus did that more than talk about Heaven and He never gave grace to people without first convicting them or showing them their sin therefore, why should the modern Church do any less.

  • storie

    I wonder how much money he’s making off this.

  • Reason2012

    // “I come from a different perspective. I don’t think people are interested in a bunch of religion, like tell me what I can and can’t do,” Wilkerson says in the promotional video for the reality show. //

    “[Jesus said] As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love. If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love. These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.”
    John 15:9-11

    // “But I think people are interested in having a relationship with a higher power.” //

    There’s only One higher power – one God: our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. If they’re not interested in having a relationship with Him, they’re wasting their time.

    “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
    2 Timothy 4:3-4

    This “pastor/teacher” needs to be careful, for those who “teach” others will receive the greater condemnation for false teaching.

    “My brethren, be not many masters [teachers], knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. For in many things we offend [cause to stumble/sin] all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body.”
    James 3:1-2

  • Shaun D.

    As long as they both know they are GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL, FOR being heretics and “friends of the world” (adulterers as well).

    James 4:3-5 KJV
    Ye ask, and receive not, because ye ask amiss, that ye may consume it upon your lusts.

    [4] Ye adulterers and adulteresses, know ye not that the friendship of the world is enmity with God? whosoever therefore will be a friend of the world is the enemy of God.

    [5] Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?

    • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

      You are aware that the book of James is addressed to saved Christians, right? And that specific passage is addressing saved people. Because keep reading:

      Jas 4:5 Do ye think that the scripture saith in vain, The spirit that dwelleth in us lusteth to envy?
      Jas 4:6 But he giveth more grace. Wherefore he saith, God resisteth the proud, but giveth grace unto the humble.
      Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
      Jas 4:8 Draw nigh to God, and he will draw nigh to you. Cleanse your hands, ye sinners; and purify your hearts, ye double minded.
      Jas 4:9 Be afflicted, and mourn, and weep: let your laughter be turned to mourning, and your joy to heaviness.
      Jas 4:10 Humble yourselves in the sight of the Lord, and he shall lift you up.
      Jas 4:11 Speak not evil one of another, brethren. He that speaketh evil of his brother, and judgeth his brother, speaketh evil of the law, and judgeth the law: but if thou judge the law, thou art not a doer of the law, but a judge.

      The spirit dwelleth in saved people, not people who are going to hell. And our “brethren” are other Christians, not unsaved people. A person can be saved and be at enmity with God.

      • Shaun D.

        Are you confused? It appears you are.

        Some clarification, if someone gets saved, and thereafter falls into deception, God can deliver and forgive and make whole again, but if God doesn’t, then that person dies and goes to Hell.

        Those two people mentioned in this article are liars and deceivers at best , regardless of whether or not they started. Out on the right path of Salvation or not.

        They reject false teachers. DUH

        • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

          There are two very worldly people who claim to be saved. I know hundreds of worldly people who claim to be saved. Do you have a TV in your house? Then you are an adulterer just as much as they are, and your are a friend of the world. If you weren’t you wouldn’t watch all their brainwashing and garbage willfully.

  • Coach

    That’s how we love our enemies, pray for them. Speaking the truth in love. My heart doesn’t ache over these things as it should. I’ll pray for these enemies of the cross, that God would open them to the truth. Pray for me brethren to love enough to speak truth

  • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

    Honestly, it sounds like Wilkerson is closer to the truth than Schimmel. Although the Bible clearly commands us to cast fornicators out of church (1 Cor. 5:10-13) … which would include every homosexual, and obviously Wilkerson’s church is as worldly as the devil, SALVATION is NOT OF WORKS (Eph. 2:8,9). And every time one of these “pastors” uses terms like “greasy grace” and inserts “repentance” you can be sure it is a false prophet.

    “Repentance” means to change your mind….not change your lifestyle. Hebrews 6:1 spells out what the foundation of our faith is:
    Heb 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

    “REPENTANCE FROM DEAD WORKS”. In other words changing your mind that your works are what saves you and placing your faith in Jesus Christ. Anyone who is a soul winner knows that 95% of the people in the world already believe “good people go to heaven and bad people go to hell.” But Romans 3:10 says there ARE NO GOOD PEOPLE. You have to CHANGE YOUR MIND that YOUR WORKS are justifying you in God’s sight, and BELIEVE THE GOSPEL.

    “Greasy grace”? BLASPHEMY! God’s grace is precious, it’s what saves us filthy sinners. It’s “greasy” when you try to add YOUR obedience to what Christ already did. In fact, that will take you straight to hell:

    Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

    BY THE WAY….THE BIBLE TELLS US EXACTLY WHAT THAT IS:
    John 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    The will of the father is that people believe on the son.

    Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Your “many wonderful works” you think are getting you to heaven are going to take you to hell, UNLESS you REPENT OF YOUR DEAD WORKS (Heb. 6:1)

    Joh_8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

    This “repentance” for salvation HERESY must be called out and exposed for what it is: WORKS SALVATION. Repentance is something Christians should be doing every day, but it has nothing to do with our salvation. “Repent ye and believe the gospel” means change your mind and believe the gospel…not clean up your life and believe the gospel.

    • Jason

      Agree that Grace is neither greasy or cheap. Without it we would be doomed to eternal separation from God.
      This is what you missing. Your concept of repentance is wrong. Repentance is not believing in Jesus and thinking your lifestyle doesn’t have to change. This is what Matthew 3:8 says “Prove by the way you live that you have repented of your sins and turned to God”. How do you prove something? By the fruit. If you are still living in sin and are no different from the world then where is the proof?
      Once we are saved, the sins we once committed without thought now bring conviction. To know God is to see sin the way He sees it. First John 3:9 says, “No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God.” Instead of sin, the born-again Christian produces “fruit in keeping with repentance” (Matthew 3:8). Salvation enables us to live “in the Spirit” and so truly perform good works (Galatians 5:16)
      It is biblically inconsistent to say that someone has been saved but has not changed. Many people go through the outward motions of giving their lives to Christ, but no lifestyle change follows. That is not real salvation but is a “dead” faith (James 2:26). When you walk into a dark room and flip the switch, you expect light. If no light appears, you rightly assume something is wrong. It would be logically inconsistent to say that the light is on when the room is still pitch black. Light naturally dispels darkness. When a dark heart receives the light of salvation, it is illuminated (John 12:46). Priorities change. Desires change. Outlook changes. Life is seen clearly for the first time. If the darkness of sin continues, or at least a desperate desire to turn from sin, we can rightly assume no light came on.
      To use another biblical analogy, God wants to produce fruit in our lives (see Galatians 5:22–23). He is the Vinedresser, Jesus is the Vine, and we are the branches. The branches are naturally attached to the vine; from the vine they get their support, their ability to produce fruit, and their very life. Jesus said, “I am the vine; you are the branches. If you remain in me and I in you, you will bear much fruit” (John 15:5). That is the purpose of the vineyard—to produce “much fruit.” Good works follow salvation.
      So, although we cannot be saved by our good works, when we are saved, we will produce good works. Just as a baby will grow after birth, so a believer will grow after the new birth. We grow at different rates and in different ways, but a live birth results in growth. If a baby never grows, there is something very wrong. No one expects a baby to stay a baby forever. As he grows, the child begins to look more and more like his parents. In the same way, after salvation, we grow, and we begin to look more and more like our Heavenly Father. This is only possible as we “abide in Him” and allow Him to reproduce His character in us (John 15:4).
      Good works do not produce salvation. Good works are the product of salvation. Jesus said to His followers, “Let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven” (Matthew 5:16).
      You are also quite deceptive quoting Matthew 7 from verse 22 – this scripture is all about fruit. If nothing has to change then how do you differentiate between good and bad fruit?

      • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

        Here is what Matthew 3:8 actually says:

        Mat 3:8 Bring forth therefore fruits meet for repentance:

        You need to get a real Bible and throw that counterfeit, copyrighted Bible made for the love of money in the garbage can.

        Look up all of the arguments on the KJV versus all the “modern” false Bibles….I don’t have the time or desire to get into it here.

        Here are some other scriptures for you:

        Jon 3:10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he did it not.

        According to the Bible turning from your evil way is WORKS.

        Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
        Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

        Salvation is not of works. It’s not what YOU did, it’s what JESUS did. You haven’t repented of all of your sins if you have foolish thoughts (Prov. 24:9), if you know to do good and don’t do it (James 4:17), if you have fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness (like Hollywood movies and television) (Eph. 5:11)

        If you want to try being saved by your own works (repenting of your sins), have fun trying. I’m trusting JESUS for my salvation….and trying to live the best life I can because I love him.

        By the way, do you preach the gospel to everyone you meet? If not, that’s a sin (Mark 16:15)

      • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

        PS
        2Co_2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.

        Notice there were MANY people trying to corrupt the word of God in Paul’s day. Tell me why we have over 400 English Bible versions that all say something different. Because God isn’t that concerned with his actual WORDS? Read Psalm 119.

        Psa_138:2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name.

        It’s the WORDS that are critical, not the thoughts. Did you know EVERY modern Bible version removes the 35 times that God repents in the OT to prop up this false “repent of your sins” doctrine?

        Notice what the RESULT of REAL REPENTANCE is ACCORDING TO JESUS:

        Mat_21:32 For John came unto you in the way of righteousness, and ye believed him not: but the publicans and the harlots believed him: and ye, when ye had seen it, repented not afterward, that ye might believe him.

        ACCORDING TO JESUS, the publicans and harlots BELIEVED…the UNSAVED PHARISEES DID NOT REPENT….IF THEY WOULD HAVE THEY WOULD HAVE BELIEVED HIM. REPENTING FOR SALVATION=BELIEVING THE GOSPEL. Thats why John, the only book claiming to be written so people can get saved NEVER mentions repentance EVEN ONCE. Are you saying God left out the most important part of salvation in the book that claims to be written so people can get saved?

        • Jason

          I can see that you have already made a decision in your heart that no matter what anyone says, change is not necessary. So I am not going to argue with you.
          If you read the bible in context I cannot understand how you can not see that God hates sin and that He sent His Holy Spirit to assist us in living Godly lives.
          If Christians love sin and think it’s OK to indulge in it, there is a problem.
          No wonder the world is getting more and more evil because Christians don’t think they have to make a difference, since works is bad.
          Peace bro

          • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

            Let’s reason together, from the Bible:

            Gal_2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

            Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
            Eph 2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

            Php_3:9 And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

            *Our own righteousness doesn’t save us, neither does following the law.*

            *The definition of sin FROM THE BIBLE is:*

            1Jn_3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

            Sin is transgression of the law.

            Thus if “turning from” sin or “repenting of” sin were part of the gospel, following the law would be part of salvation….because if you turn from transgressing the law, it means you start following the law.

            I’m not against CHRISTIANS living a clean life…but my definition of a clean life probably goes much further than most. I don’t believe Christians should watch TV, listen to worldly music, have anything to do with most of the world’s traditions. We should go soul winning, go to church, tithe, sing hymns, pray, read the Bible everyday, etc, etc.
            But none of that can add anything to what Jesus did. Jesus PAID IT ALL. My righteousnesses are as filthy rags before the Lord.

          • Jason

            What is grace? How do you frustrate the Grace of God?
            I would like to hear your definition of Grace and what it is?

            With regards to the Law – you need to understand the Jewish laws and traditions of the day

            Only God’s moral law is applicable to us today. The ceremonial and judicial laws of ancient Israel are no longer applicable. Galatians 2:1-3; 5:1-11; 6:11-16; 1 Corinthians 7:17-20; Colossians 2:8-12; Phillipians 3:1-3 all indicate that the covenant of circumcision has now been done away with. What counts now is, in a manner of speaking, a circumcision of heart — which takes the form of faith in Christ and repentance from our sin.

            In Acts 10, we read of Peter’s vision:

            9 About noon the following day as they were on their journey and approaching the city, Peter went up on the roof to pray. 10 He became hungry and wanted something to eat, and while the meal was being prepared, he fell into a trance. 11 He saw heaven opened and something like a large sheet being let down to earth by its four corners. 12 It contained all kinds of four-footed animals, as well as reptiles and birds. 13 Then a voice told him, “Get up, Peter. Kill and eat.”
            14 “Surely not, Lord!” Peter replied. “I have never eaten anything impure or unclean.”
            15 The voice spoke to him a second time, “Do not call anything impure that God has made clean.”
            16 This happened three times, and immediately the sheet was taken back to heaven.

            Peter’s vision suggests that the dietary requirements of the ceremonial law are now no longer applicable.

            Furthermore, Hebrews 10:1 says that “The law is only a shadow of the good things that are coming—not the realities themselves.” Colossians 2:16-17 likewise says, “Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.” Now the one to whom the law pointed — Christ the Messiah — has come and fulfilled the symbolism associated with the ceremonial law.

            The moral law has now been written on our hearts in order for us to follow it – They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) – Romans 2:15

            I agree with your comments about living a “set apart” life unto God – we should be set apart from all the things in this world – including TV etc.

            The problem with Christians is that they love the world to much, so we try and justify our actions.

            You adulterous people, don’t you know that friendship with the world means enmity against God? Therefore, anyone who chooses to be a friend of the world becomes an enemy of God. – James 4:4

            Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, love for the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes and the pride of life, is not of the Father but is of the world. And the world passes away, and the lust of it; but he who does the will of God abides forever. – 1 John 2:15-17
            You cannot cherry-pick. There is ample evidence that we must live a holy life.

          • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

            I’m not sure which “version” of the Bible you are quoting from, but now I can see clearly where you are getting confused on your doctrine.
            There is a difference in what Chrstians SHOULD do (like live a holy life and not be a friend of the world) and what a PERSON MUST DO TO BE SAVED.

            And the Bible (the KJV Bible, the only one taken entirely from the Textus Receptus and not made for the love of money and subject to copyrights, etc.) makes it VERY clear what the sole condition of salvation is.

            Joh 3:36 He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

            It’s just that simple. “Believing on” the Son means exactly that…you are trusting HIM to get you to heaven, not your own holy life, separation from the world, etc. If you are believing on the fact you are living a separated life, you are not believing on the Son at all….you are believing on yourself.

            And then the problem becomes “how much do I have to be separated from the world to be saved?” Can a drunk be saved if he continues to drink? What if he has a few drinks on his death bed?

            Under such a condition of salvation, you can never be sure if you are actually saved. And really, calling it salvation is an error, because if it’s based on your own actions, it is something you are earning, not something that was given to you without merit (the definition of grace)

            Thus scriptures like this would not be believable:
            1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

            You can’t KNOW you have something eternal if you might slip up and lose it tomorrow.

            And don’t try to impart some kind of mysticism into our own sinful flesh…..that Jesus just makes us live a holy life if we are saved, because that is not true. If it were, the Bible wouldn’t admonish Christians to live holy.

            Salvation is by faith ALONE, not of works, lest any man should boast. (Eph. 2:8,9) Don’t wrest the scriptures to your own destruction. Because if you don’t believe those scriptures that say salvation is by believing on Christ, you do not believe the Bible, thus you do not believe on Christ (who IS the Bible (John 1:1, 1:16))

            1Jn 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
            1Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

            I believe God just GIVES us eternal life, and the life is IN HIS SON (not how separated I am living). Thus, I am saved. People who believe otherwise according to the above verses are calling God a liar and on their way to hell.

          • Jason

            Why would Jesus say in Matthew 7:23 “I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!”
            Why would someone that practices lawlessness be a big deal to Jesus if all their sins – past, present and future are all done away with? They are obviously “Christians” since they were healing the sick etc. and referred to Jesus as Lord.
            The emerging church claim is that the law is also supposedly done away with once you believe in Jesus? How can you practice lawlessness if there is no law to break?

            Dont excuse disobedience by marking everything off as covered by God’s grace or His love. Grace is unmerited; and it does cover – but not in the manner we have been taught. It is not an excuse but an empowerment.
            This lack of balance infiltrates our reasoning until we feel at complete liberty to disobey God whenever it is inconvenient or not to our advantage. Even as we sin we assure ourselves and quiet our consciences with a shrug and the thought that God’s grace will cover this, for He loves me and understands my predicament.
            Although grace covers, it is not merely a cover-up. It goes far beyond that. Grace enables and empowers us to live a life of holiness and obedience to the authority of God. The writer of Hebrews exhorts, “Let us have grace, by which we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear” – Hebrews 12:28
            The description of grace here is not of a cover-up but the force that empowers us to serve God acceptably with due reverence and godly fear. It is the essence of the power behind a life of obedience. It is the validation or proof of our salvation.
            “By Grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God – not by works so that no man can boast. – Ephesians 2:8-9
            It is impossible in our own strength to live a life worthy of our inheritance in the Kingdom of God, for all have sinned and fallen short of Gods righteous standard. None of us will ever be able to stand before God and claim that our works, charitable deeds, or good lives have earned us the right to inhabit the Kingdom. Every one of us has transgressed and deserves to burn in the lake of fire eternally.
            Gods answer for our shortcomings is the gift of salvation through His gift of Grace, a gift that cannot be earned.
            Many in the church understand this. Yet we have failed to emphasize the power of grace not only to redeem us but also to grant us its ability to live our lives in a totally different manner.
            The Word of God declares: Faith by itself, if it does not have works, is dead, But someone will say, “You have faith, and I have works.” Show me your faith without your works, and I will show you my faith by my works. – James 2:17-18
            James was not contradicting Paul. He was clarifying Paul’s message by stating that the evidence a person has received God’s grace is a life of obedience to the Lord. This grace imparts not only a desire for reverent obedience but also the ability to follow through. A person who consistently disobeys Gods Word is one in whom faith has failed or in whom faith never truly existed.
            James continues: You see then that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone. – James 2:24
            James prefaced this statement by using Abraham the father of faith, as an example: “Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered Isaac his son on the alter. Faith was evidenced by Abraham’s actions. His actions or works verified that his faith was made perfect. “And the scripture was fulfilled which says, ‘Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness'”.
            In our language the word believe has been reduced to a mental acknowledgement of something’s existence. Multitudes have prayed the sinner’s prayer because they were moved emotionally, only to return to their original paths of disobedience. I was one of those people. They continue living for themselves, all the while trusting in an emotional salvation that was void of the power to change them. Yes, they believe in God – but the bible states, “You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe and tremble!”
            What good is it to acknowledge Jesus Christ when there is no change of heart and therefore no change in action?
            The Scriptures portray a very different meaning for the word believe. It is more than the acknowledgement of the existence of Jesus; it carries with it obedience to His Word and His will. This explains Hebrews 5:9: “And having been perfected, He became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.” To believe is to obey, and to obey is to believe. The proof of Abraham’s belief was his corresponding obedience. He offered his precious son up to God. Nothing, not even his son, meant more to Abraham that obeying God. This is true faith. It is why Abraham is honoured as ‘the father of faith”

            Amen

          • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

            It’s funny you brought up Matthew 7:21-23, because he tells you exactly what the problem was with those people:

            Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done MANY WONDREFUL WORKS?

            Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
            Eph 2:9 NOT OF WORKS, lest any man should boast.

            These people weren’t believing on the Lord Jesus Christ for salvation, when they are appealing to God, notice what they DON’T say “Lord, John 3:16 says whosoever believeth in you has everlasting life….and I believed in you!” That’s what I would say! But no, they all brought up THEIR WORKS. They thought it was THEIR WORKS, not faith alone LIKE THE BIBLE SAYS. Thus, they DID NOT BELIEVE the Bible. They made God a liar.

            Jesus then tells them to depart from him, “workers of iniquity” is what the Bible actually says he calls them. They all thought they were doing great works, the irony is the very thing they trusted is what damns them. Their works are filthy rags. (Isa. 64:6)

            Rom_10:3 For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

            The real question is do you believe these verses:

            Joh 6:47 Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

            Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

            Act 10:43 To him give all the prophets witness, that through his name whosoever believeth in him shall receive remission of sins.

            Or, is God a liar? Because if you don’t believe those verses, if you think there is more to salvation, then that’s what you are really saying according to 1 John 5:10.

            1Jn 5:10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son.
            1Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

            Do you believe God GAVE us ETERNAL life, or do you believe our works will earn us eternal life?

          • hytre64

            Show me your faith without works, and I will show you that faith that underlies my works. For faith without works is dead (James 2:26), just as works without faith is dead (Mt 6:1-20)

            Faith comes first (and it is a gift from God Eph 2:8), and then as a result of that faith, we bring forth fruits/works.

    • cheryl

      There is a scripture that teaches that if we keep on sinning after coming to Christ the blood of Christ can no longer atone for our sins. Look it up. You cannot claim to be saved and yet continue willfully in your sin.

      • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

        You are talking about Hebrews 10, undoubtedly but that’s NOT what it says, otherwise NO ONE would be saved. The THOUGHT OF FOOLISHNESS IS SIN (Prov. 24:9). So are you telling me you don’t ever have a foolish thought? The good you know to do and don’t do, IS SIN (James 4:17). Are you telling me that you do ALL THE GOOD YOU SHOULD DO?

        If you think you don’t sin, you are not saved according to the Bible.
        1Jn_1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.

        Here is what the verse REALLY SAYS:
        Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
        Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

        In the context of this verse, he is talking about Christians being CHASTENED in this life. You can’t lose something you never earned to begin with. Jesus gives us everlasting life:

        Joh_10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

        You need to repent and trust Jesus. If you are trusting your own works, you will go to hell. (Eph. 2:8,9; Matt. 7:21-23)

    • hytre64

      Repentance is not just changing your mind. It means to have sincere remorse & regret over your actions and to covenant with God that with His power, you will NOT perform that sin again.

      How can you live a Godly life, if you have not turned away from your sins? How can you turn away from sin, if you don’t know what sin is?

      • http://biblicalsalvation.info/ railhead

        Repentance is not “remorse and regret for your actions.” That is a modern, false definition of repentance. The word “repent” comes from the same Latin root word the Spanish word “penzar” and our modern word “pensive” come from. Both of these words mean “to think” Thus, RE- pent means to REthink. And that’s all it means. God repents several places in the Bible, but only if you are using a King James Bible. The Hebrew and Greek words for repent are translated differently by modern translators when it comes to God repenting. The Devil has an agenda behind changing the meaning of this word….it’s to get people to trust in their works to save them instead of the blood of Jesus Christ.

        Living a godly life is great, but it’s not how you get saved. Anyone that says they have turned away from their sins is a liar.(1 John 1:8) The thought of foolishness is sin (Prov. 24:9). Anytime you know to do good and don’t do it it’s sin (James 4:17). Every time you don’t preach the gospel to someone you meet, it’s a sin. (Mark 16:15)

        This false teaching is just a modern way of packaging works salvation. Any way you slice it, repenting of your sins IS WORKS. And the Bible explicitly says salvation is NOT OF WORKS (Eph. 2:8,9). In Matthew 7:21-23, Jesus speaks of MANY PEOPLE that will someday try to enter the kingdom of heaven who will all be trusting in their MANY WONDERFUL WORKS. Jesus will tell them he never knew them. The reason is that they never believed in him, they believed in their own turning from sins to save them.

        • hytre64

          For definitions, I go back to either the Greek or the Hebrew used in the Scripture, and prefer Strongs for the word definition, although I will use also use Thayers, or if necessary, go through each verse in the bible which contains the word and interpret the meaning of the word based on the context.

          In this case, Thayer’s leaves two definitions for μετανοέω (G3340):
          1. To change one’s mind.
          2. To change one’s mind for better, heartily to amend with abhorrence of one’s past sins.

          I will agree that we are not saved by our works – all of our works are as filthy rags to God (at best). It is not our repentance that saves us, but Christ’s fulfilled work on the Cross. To receive, or to take advantage of that work, Peter instructed, “Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord,

          IF repentance merely meant “to rethink” then Luk 24:46-47 would not make sense:
          He told them, “This is what is written: The Messiah will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day, and changing of ones mind for the forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.

          Did Jesus instruct people to turn from their sins? He told the woman caught in adultery that “Neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more.”

  • FoJC_Forever

    There is a difference between us changing our actions and the LORD
    producing the Life of God in a follower of Jesus (the) Christ. People fake it all the time, by doing the things that are not hard for them because it will make them appear to be Christians. However, beware that you don’t simply follow the same condemning practices of those who claimed to know God, but rejected the Living Word of God while He walked among them, teaching and displaying the power of the Kingdom of God. Jesus is the Savior, not us. We can’t save ourselves from Sin, we have to continue to live each day in the Faith of, from, and in the Son of God, to be saved from our Sin.

    Sin is a problem, and there are many false pastors, preachers, teachers, and others claiming specific Giftings. But, simply being opposed to them is not going to produce what only the Holy Spirit can produce. Salvation is a Work of God, not of people. Our actions (works) matter, but Faith matters more and Faith (that which comes from hearing the Word of God, Jesus (the) Christ – not simply religious belief) is what will produce the power of God in us to change us – each day – as we seek and follow the LORD. This change will produce the right actions (works). It’s not just Faith, because Love is what empowers Faith to keep the Hope of Salvation alive in us and produces the New Life promised to those who call upon Jesus for Salvation. It’s easy to focus on Sin, because it is plentiful around us every day we live in this fallen world. We have to stay focused on Jesus.

    False apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers are not new. They have been around for centuries. They will be around until the End. What we consider the most is often what we start to become. We should spend more time thinking on Jesus, praying and listening to Him than we should beholding the mockery that false doctrines and preachers make of Christianity.

    If you ever feel like you’ve made it, consider Phil 3:12-13. This was the Apostle Paul talking about himself. Consider all the LORD used him for and this is how he lived each day – ‘imperfected’, but still seeking and following the LORD.

    Follow Jesus, find Truth.

  • Ax2root

    If sin continues then the people possibly don’t understand the POWER OF GRACE OVER sin.

    Are they hearing it in his church? Or not?

    Does he preach on the ABSOLUTE NECESSITY to be born again in Jesus the Christ.?

    Does he preach on being baptized in The Holy Spirit with the evidence of speaking in tongues as Jesus told His disciples SO THEY WOULD BE FILLED WITH POWER IN HIM.

  • sandra-paquette-

    This is nothing more than a pile of garbage people just wanting Christ on their terms. They are not interested in following Jesus, but in their own minds they are deceived. When their hearts are truly searching for Christ they will find him. We do not make the rules Christ does.

  • hytre64

    If Jesus is not both Savior AND Lord of your life, then He is neither. There is no salvation without repentance.

    “What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? By no means! We are those who have died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.” Rom 6:1-4