Hawaii Man Who Supports Having Sex With Children Blocked From Becoming Teacher

Classroom pdHONOLULU, Hawaii — A federal appeals court has ruled that it was not unlawful for a university to deny a teaching certificate to a man who aspired to be a high school teacher after he expressed views in support of adults having sexual relations with children.

In 2011, the University of Hawaii had declined to allow Mark Oyama from participating in a teacher certification program because of his opposition to pedophilia laws, as well as alleged statements calling special education students “fakers.”

“Personally, I think that online child predation should be legal, and find it ridiculous that one could be arrested for comments they make on the Internet,” he wrote in one school paper in 2010. “I even think that real-life child predation should be legal, provided that the child is consensual. Basically from my point of view, the age of consent should be either 0, or whatever age a child is when puberty begins.”

According to court documents, one of Oyama’s professors approached him about his beliefs, and Oyama explained that he believed it would be “fine” for a 12-year-old to have a consensual sexual relationship with his or her teacher. The professor then advised Oyama that he would be required by law to report such a relationship if he became a teacher, and he replied that he would follow the law although he did not agree.

The professor consequently reported Oyama to the director of the secondary program, who likewise expressed concern, stating that the university should be “very careful about accepting him as a teacher candidate.”

In July 2011, the school issued a letter to Oyama, explaining why they decided to deny him entrance into the teaching certification program.

“[T]he views you have expressed regarding students with disabilities and the appropriateness of sexual relations with
minors were deemed not in alignment with standards set by the Hawaii Department of Education, the National Council for the Accreditation of Teachers (NCATE) and the Hawaii Teacher Standards Board (HTSB),” the notice stated.

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Oyama sued the university in federal court, alleging that his First Amendment rights had been violated. His initial lawsuit was rejected, and upon appeal to the 9th Circuit, the decision was upheld.

“State policy required the university to ‘verify’ Oyama’s ‘ability to function effectively in department classrooms’ before approving his student teaching application. Therefore, the university’s decision was, by necessity, prospective in nature,” the three-judge panel ruled.

“Oyama stood in the doorway of the teaching profession; he was not at liberty to step inside and break the house rules. But that does not mean that the university was obligated to invite him in,” it continued. “Rather, the university could look at what Oyama said as an indication of what he would do once certified.”

Oyama’s attorney, Eric Seitz, told reporters that he found the ruling to be wrongful since Oyama had not acted on any of this beliefs.

“To me, it is outrageous for expressions of opinions — however misguided — in a classroom discussion that a student can be essentially kicked out of his educational program,” he said.

But the 9th Circuit had ruled, “That Oyama did not in fact consummate the acts proscribed by these professional standards does not mean the university’s decision to deny his application was not directly related to them.”

The Associated Press and other outlets downplayed Oyama’s support for pedophilia and child predation in their reports, utilizing headlines such as, “Hawaii man’s opinions on sex keep him from becoming teacher” and “Views on sex keep Hawaii man from teaching.”


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  • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

    Where does one go to learn such views? Not to the Bible. Not to university. Are these views taught in school? Did Mr Oyama make it up himself? Is this view taught in popular film and literature? Or is it taught in fringe film and literature? Wherever he learned it is a source of rot that will continue to produce men intent on defiling young girls (and boys, no doubt).

    • happytrails5

      Oh yes to university. He may be the outspoken one, but all sorts of filth is taught in universities these days. Example: Peter Singer of Princeton thinks it should be legal to kill a baby, at least 30 days after his/her birth.

      • gizmo23

        Imagine, some colleges teach that the world was created in 6 days!

        • Angel Jabbins

          And hurray for them!

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Happy New Year, Angel – keep up the great posts!

          • Angel Jabbins

            Thank you so much and the same to you!

      • Nidalap

        Yep. That’s why we keep getting the bumper crop of predator-teachers cranked out of said universities…

    • concerned

      Where does one go to learn such views ?Islam.

      • gizmo23

        Dumbest post of the day

    • Michael C

      “Where does one go to learn such views?”

      U.S. history textbooks, perhaps?

      Up until the late 19th century, the age of consent was as low as 7 years old in the United States.

      The bible doesn’t outline an age of consent. Some believe that the bible points to the onset of puberty (and the ability to procreate) as point when a girl becomes a woman. Being that lifespans were far shorter thousands of years ago, and women took a very different societal role, it’s not outlandish to believe that adult men were taking young girls as brides in biblical times.

      Pretty disgusting. Thankfully, this guy won’t be becoming a teacher.

  • violetteal

    Eventually this behavior will be “okay” in the US.

    • acontraryview

      What is your basis for that belief?

      • violetteal

        The fact that history repeats itself. Remember, the thought of Gay marriage, a man claiming to be a woman is made “woman of the year”, a white woman claiming to be black was the head of a local chapter of the NAACP, and other weirdness in this nation 50 years ago would have thought to be impossible. Sexual restrictions are loosening.

  • Becky

    “A federal appeals court has ruled that it was not unlawful for a university to deny a teaching certificate to a man who aspired to be a high school teacher after he expressed views in support of adults having sexual relations with children.”

    Not yet, anyway.

    “Oyama’s attorney, Eric Seitz, told reporters that he found the ruling to be wrongful since Oyama had not acted on any of this beliefs.”

    Not yet, anyway.

    • Marcus Talley

      “the ruling to be wrongful since Oyama had not acted on any of this beliefs.” Did the lawyer open that to investigation after saying it in court?

  • Michael C

    I’m always amazed when people think that the First Amendment exempts them from any negative repercussions for the things they say.

    This guy’s obviously not fit to be a teacher. This will (rightly) follow him for the rest of his life. Thanks to the courts for another just ruling.

    • gizmo23

      Where’s all posters that claim you can say whatever you want anytime you want?

      • Nidalap

        ::Points into the shadows:: There they are! See?!? Standing right next to the posters defending this guy’s ‘natural-born orientation’! 🙂

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          Nice, Nidalap! Happy New Year 2016! This is the year we usher in the Christian Theocracy, right?

          • Nidalap

            Happy 2016 to you as well! Indeed! Turning the US into a Christian Theocracy will truly be a feat for the history books! 🙂

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I am especially enjoying your posts the past few months in particular. You have a nice way of being subtle yet humorously turning the tables on the opposition. It is a nice complement to my bull in the china shop approach. 🙂

          • Nidalap

            Awwww! (^_^)

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            God bless you and keep up the good fight, Nidalap!

        • acontraryview

          Actually, where they should be standing is next to all the people who are crying about the employment decisions regarding the Fire Chief in Atlanta and the doctor in Boston being unfair because they were exercising their right to free speech.

          But, of course, they are not, because they are only concerned about freedom of speech when it is something they agree with. There’s a word for that – hypocrisy.

          • Nidalap

            No. You see, not letting someone who says ‘I kinda think it would be cool if adult could have sex with any child they could convince to “consent” to it’ actually work with children? I know you don’t see it much these days but, we used to call that common sense! 🙂

          • acontraryview

            I agree with the University’s decision, as well as the court’s ruling.

            That does not change the hypocrisy of those who decry employment decisions being made because they put forth that employees should be able to say whatever they want, but who, at the same time, support this action.

          • Nidalap

            You ARE a study in contradiction, aren’t you just? On the one hand, you agree with these decisions (because duh!), on the other, you are compelled to draw a moral equivalence between the pedo-pusher and those who make a stand for Christian beliefs…

          • acontraryview

            ” you are compelled to draw a moral equivalence between the pedo-pusher and those who make a stand for Christian beliefs…”

            Please cite where, in my comments, I presented a case for “moral equivalence”.

          • Nidalap

            “Actually, where they should be standing is next to all the people who are crying about the employment decisions regarding the Fire Chief in Atlanta and the doctor in Boston being unfair because they were just exercising their right to free speech.

            But, of course, they are not, because they are only concerned about freedom of speech when it is something they agree with. There’s a word for that – hypocrisy.”

            You just called “hypocrite” to anyone not willing to defend this guy if they did defend the other two. When you did that, you made a direct correlation between them. You also came off seeming to be more on the child attracted guy’s side of the fence too. Little icky! (^_^)

          • acontraryview

            So you can’t cite where I presented any case for moral equivalence. Got it. Thanks.

            “You just called “hypocrite” to anyone not willing to defend this guy if they did defend the other two.”

            Not at all. What I called hypocritical was the stance that employment decisions, in some cases, should NOT be based what a person says when the person agrees with the speech, but not when the person doesn’t. I said nothing about anyone coming to the defense of this guy.

            “You also came off seeming to be more on the child attracted guy’s side of the fence too. Little icky! (^_^)”

            Considering that i said that i agree with the University’s decision, as well as the judge’s ruling, your statement is patently false, and you know it. Why would sink to such a level?

        • Oboehner

          LOL, over there by Piltdown Man…

    • afchief

      I would not want a homosexual teaching my kids, let alone a pedophile.

      It’s only a matter of time before pedophiles become another protected minority.

      Watch!

      • Valri

        Homosexuals are not pedophiles, I have no idea why you’d compare them. One group is abusing minors. The others are consenting adults.

        • afchief

          There are both perverted, deviant and extremely dangerous lifestyles. They are both mental disorders.

          • Valri

            If you seriously believe in this day and age that homosexuality is a mental disorder, something no mental health professional has believed in decades, then I really feel sorry for you.

          • afchief

            If two men having sex is not a mental disorder, I don’t know what is!!!!!

          • Valri

            And you’re the expert?

            You’re one of those people whom I hope one day has a child go to you and say “Dad, I’m gay”. It’ll teach you a thing or two about compassion and educate you as to how human sexuality isn’t the black or white thing you’re making it out to be.

          • afchief

            I read the other day that many homosexuals end up with numerous diseases due to anal tearing, including having to wear diapers by the age of 35. My father in law was shamed enough to have to wear these things at the age of 92. And this is not a mental disorder?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

            It only takes a rational and logical mind to know that homosexuality is a mental disorder.

          • Valri

            Really, then how come women don’t even up needing diapers? Especially since they engage in just as much of that kind of activity? In fact, there is no sexual practice that gay people do that straight people don’t ALSO do.

            I think your source is probably a bigot.

          • afchief

            When you are stuck in sin (homosexuality) and have a reprobate mind because of it, you cannot see the truth!!!

            Regarding lesbians, they face a higher breast cancer risk. One study of lesbians found that: “Sixty-three percent of the lesbians had never been pregnant….[And] Not having children increases a woman’s breast cancer risk by between two to six times.”14 Not having children also “may be a risk factor for ovarian cancer and may be implicated in endometrial cancer as well.”15

            Another study found bacterial vaginosis occuring in 33% of the lesbians but only in 13% of heterosexual women, and found that: “Cervical cytology abnormalities were uncommon but only found in the lesbians.”16 (Those abnormalities may be precursors to cervical cancers.)

            Another study of lesbians found a “relatively high prevalence of the viral STDs, herpes simplex and human papillomavirus [HPV].”17 And according to another: “Genital HPV infection and squamous intraepithelial lesions are common among women who are sexually active with women.”18 HPV has been connected to cervical cancer. “DNA analysis has revealed that about 15 types of the virus account for more than 99 percent of all cervical cancer cases.”19

            (One reason lesbians have a relatively high incidence of STDs is that, as some studies have documented, lesbians have more sexual partners than heterosexual women. For example, a large University of Chicago study concluded that lesbians have four times as many sexual partners as straight women.20)

            Two short quotes from the Gay and Lesbian Medical Association. These were found on its website in a document titled “Top 10 Things Lesbians Should Discuss with their Healthcare Provider.”

            1) “Lesbians have the richest concentration of risk factors for breast cancer than any subset of women in the world.”

            2) “Lesbians have higher risks for many of the gynecologic cancers.”

            We’ll conclude this section on lesbian STDs with this quote from the Oct. 2012 Advocate, a homosexual magazine: “A link between lesbians and cancer, particularly breast cancer, is more than speculation, say experts….[E]xperts believe that lesbians have an increased risk of developing breast cancer….[T]he National LGBT Cancer Network says cancer disproportionately affects lesbians.”21

            It should be noted that lesbian sexual diseases have not been researched nearly as much as male homosexual sexual diseases. This is because lesbian sex was presumed to be relatively safe. Some doctors are fairly calling for more research into the health of lesbians. With more study, we may find the “lesbian lifestyle” is not so safe after all.

      • gizmo23

        How do you know your kids haven’t?

        • afchief

          Because one is home schooled and another is in a Christian school.

          • gizmo23

            You don’t think Christian schools can have gays teaching? How can you tell someone is gay unless they tell or show you?

          • afchief

            Because I’ve talked with my kids teachers. All of them are professing Christians.

          • gizmo23

            That doesn’t mean they can’t deceive you or are not gay. They could be gay and yet not be showing it to anyone.

          • afchief

            Sorry, they are not! They have to sign a statement that they are Christians and have a recommendation from their pastors before they are hired. Besides, I can spot a “flaming homosexual” a mile away.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            And yet, you think that those who support LGBT people are homosexual too. How wrong you are. Oh wait, just a mile away, sorry my bad.

          • afchief

            Sure can!!! Liberals and atheists are the biggest homo supporters. I can spot mental disorders a mile away!!!!!

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            I can spot homophobes a mile away.

          • afchief

            I wish you can spot truth right in front of you. That Jesus is the answer!!!

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            What? And then be like you? Judging people without knowing them, without taking the time and talk to those people? No thanks, I’ll pass.

          • afchief

            Telling you truth on what the bible says about homosexuality is not judging. Do you want me to lie to you and say God made you this way? Do you want me to lie to you and tell you homosexuality is normal? Or do you want me to tell you truth and what the Word of God says about this lifestyle?

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            And again judging someone you don’t even know. Anyone who defends homosexuals has to be one too. How wrong you are. And for the rest , see my previous comment.

          • afchief

            What?

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            ‘Do you want to me to lie to you and say God made you this way?’ Judging me wihout knowing me. I’m not homosexual. And for the rest of your comment, you know that I don’t believe in him? Have stated that many times. So whatever you say to me about your God is no truth to me.

          • afchief

            Then why are you here on a Christian site? We believe that Jesus is the Son of God and died for all mankind. That will not change. We believe what He said in His Word. His Word says that homosexuality is sin. There is no way around it. If you do not want to hear the truth, then I suggest you find a site that will tell you what you want to hear.

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            I’m here to defend those people who you judge. Who you paint all with the same broad brush. Get it yet?

          • afchief

            Then you will continue to hear from me and every other Christian that homosexuality is sin. And that there is freedom through Jesus Christ.

          • afchief

            Can you explain to me why all the Muslims are doing this all over Europe? I thought this was such a peaceful religion? Hmmmm…..

            Berlin, Cologne, Hamburg, Stuttgart, Dusseldorf… New Year’s Migrant Sex Assault In Every Major German City

            http://www.breitbart. com/london/2016/01/06/berlin-cologne-hamburg-stuttgart-dusseldorf-new-years-migrant-sex-assault-every-major-german-city/

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            And again breitbart is giving wrong info. It only happened in cologne. And there are bad apples in every society, even in ours.

          • afchief

            Really? It’s happening all over Europe!!! Sweden is now the rape capital of the world. Do I need to tell you why?

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            You are the one who posted the link to the article on what happened in germany on news years eve in cologne, not me. So I just corrected by explaining that that only happened in cologne not in every major city in germany. You pointed out over whole of europe, nothing more.

          • afchief

            OK, let me help educate you why it is happening!!!

            Shocking: Sweden is now the RAPE capital of the West. Here’s why…

            http://www.allenbwest. com/2015/10/mainstream-media-wont-tell-you-why-sweden-is-now-rape-capital-of-the-west/

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Education from a blog, from a guy who obvious hates Muslims and believes the conspiracy theory that Obama is a Muslim? Riiiiight!

          • afchief

            Why don’t you go read European news outlets about all the Muslim refugees raping European women.

            Our news outlets are blocking the stories. I wonder why?

          • Jolanda Tiellemans

            Ours are not. I wonder why?

          • afchief

            That good ole 2nd amendment that’s why!!! However our liar in chief is trying to dismantle the 2nd amendment illegally!!!

    • Oboehner

      I’m always amazed when people think one group of sexual deviants gets special “discrimination” rights, but another does not. Now that’s discrimination.

      • Oboehner

        But on the other hand, I’m sure Mark Oyama can find a place with the Boy Scouts.

      • Valri

        Kind of funny how on a story when everyone seems to be in agreement, you have to take it that one step further to widen the criteria for “sexual deviants” to include people who are not and whom you hate, i.e. homosexuals.

        • Oboehner

          Popular opinion rides again.

          • Valri

            Consultation of proven fact mistaken for appeal to popular opinion rides again. Ride ’em, Oboehner.

          • Oboehner

            “everyone seems to be in agreement” – popular opinion.

  • acontraryview

    I think the University, as well as the court, made the right decision in this case. It is reasonable to make employment decisions based upon the stated views of the person applying as relates to how they may behave in the workplace.

  • 201821208 :)

    See “What does the Bible say about pedophilia?” at gotquestions dot org

  • https://plus.google.com/u/0/+InzlKettWoodsMarks/posts/p/pub Felix Nuts Tomcat

    The man’s own words torpedoed his career. What he is advocating is criminal. Universities have the right to deny him.

  • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

    Hmmm, this critter will be in the news again one day, in a story detailing his victims.