Bernie Sanders Expresses Support for Allowing Abortion Without Restriction Until Birth

Sanders-compressedDETROIT, Mich. — Democratic presidential candidate Bernie Sanders expressed his support for allowing abortion without restriction until birth during a televised town hall event on Monday.

Sanders, a socialist, attended the event in Detroit to push for votes ahead of Tuesday’s primary.

“Can you name a single circumstance at any point in a pregnancy in which you would be okay with abortion being illegal?” Fox News anchor Bret Baier asked.

“It’s not a question of being okay,” Sanders replied. “I believe that it is wrong for the government to be telling a woman what to do with her own body.”

He said that he found it ironic that many who support limited government also believe that the government should get involved in regard to the issue of abortion.

“There are a whole lot of people out there who tell me that government is terrible, government is awful, get government off our backs,” Sanders stated. “But somehow on this issue they want to tell every woman in America what she should do with her body.”

Baier then reiterated his initial question asking if Sanders supports any restrictions at all.

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“I guess the genesis of the question is that, you know, there are some Democrats who say after five months, with the exception of the life of the mother or the health of the baby, that perhaps that’s something to look at,” he said. “You’re saying no.”

“I am very strongly pro-choice,” Sanders replied. “That is a decision to be made by the woman, her physician and her family. That’s my view.”

Last month, the Democratic presidential candidate stated that there is dismay as to why organizations such as Planned Parenthood have endorsed Hillary Clinton over himself as he has long been in favor of abortion on demand.

“If you have 100 percent Planned Parenthood voting record—100 percent pro-choice voting record—there are people who are asking, ‘Why is the leadership not either supporting Bernie Sanders or why are they, you know, opposing him?” he said.

“We are not going back to the days when women had to risk their lives to end an unwanted pregnancy. The decision about abortion must remain a decision for the woman and her doctor to make, not the government,” Sander’s campaign website outlines. “We are not going to allow the extreme right-wing to defund Planned Parenthood; we are going to expand it.”

“As president, Sen. Sanders will only nominate Supreme Court justices who understand that Roe v. Wade is the law of the land and recognize the rights of women to have access to family planning services,” it further explains.

Hillary Clinton was also interviewed during the Town Hall and likewise expressed her support for abortion, but said, “I have been on record in favor of a late-pregnancy regulation that would have exceptions for the life and health of the mother. I object to Congress to pass a law saying after 20 weeks, no such exceptions.”

When asked if she believes an unborn child should have any protections in the womb, she pointed to Roe v. Wade, claiming that abortion is a mother’s right.

“It’s not much of a right if it’s totally limited and constrained, so we’ve got to continue to stand up for a woman’s right to make these decisions and to defend Planned Parenthood, which has done an enormous amount of good work across our country,” she asserted.

Nearly 60 million children have been murdered in the womb since the passage of Roe v. Wade in 1973.


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  • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

    Ah, I remember that Weekend at Bernie’s. He does seem to have decomposed horribly since then though. Adding more young corpses is not going to help the matter.

  • Josey

    Only a devil would want to celebrate the death of an innocent and profit from it, devils hate life.

  • WorldGoneCrazy

    ““I believe that it is wrong for the government to be telling a woman what to do with her own body.”’

    Once again, the science-phobia of pro-aborts is self-evident. Bernie apparently is too ignorant to realize that there is another body involved in abortion, one with his or her own unique DNA, and who has a different gender 50% of the time.

    Furthermore, he fails the logic test: if we cannot tell a woman “what to do with her own body,” then how can we tell a rapist “what to do with his own body?” Bodily autonomy always has limits. If it didn’t, then rape, murder, burglary, pedophilia, etc would all be legal.

    Abortion is based on superstitious beliefs that defy science, technology (ultrasound), and logic. It really is a religious cult unto itself, more akin to Jonestown than Jesus.

    • Jalapeno

      Have you tried to understand the opposing viewpoint?

      Yes, the fetus is another body, but that body still requires access to the womans body. She needs to be able to refuse.

      Bodily autonomy does not include things that you do WITH your body.

      Just a couple..small points that you seem to be misunderstanding about the other views.

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        “Have you tried to understand the opposing viewpoint?”

        Daily. And it’s not easy getting into the minds of psychopaths. Now, open your profile so that we can see if you have ever “tried to understand the opposing viewpoint.”

        “Yes, the fetus is another body”

        Well, it’s nice of you to admit that the human in the womb is actually another human being. Refreshing!

        “but that body still requires access to the womans body”

        That’s because a preborn baby is precisely where she is supposed to be – completely natural.

        “She needs to be able to refuse.”

        Abortion is NOT the “right to refuse.” It is the intentional killing of another human being whose only crime is her mere existence in precisely the place she has to be at that stage of her development.

        Have you ever considered how arrogant and hypocritical it is for those who have been given the opportunity to survive the womb to turn around and deny that very same opportunity to 3000 innocent preborn babies each and every day in America? That is precisely what you do when you advocate on behalf of abortion.

        “Bodily autonomy does not include things that you do WITH your body.”

        Great! Then a woman has no right to go through any abortion, since that is something she does WITH her body. Thank you – we just abolished Roe and Doe together. 🙂

        “Just a couple..small points that you seem to be misunderstanding about the other views.”

        I’ve been in this battle for years. Wedding dress won’t fit? Have an abortion. Need a nose job? Have an abortion. Abortion has moved from a “regrettable decision” to “abortion on demand and without apology” to #ShoutYourAbortion. Sick!

        • Jalapeno

          Boy, isn’t insulting people fun?

          I’m not sure why you think that something being “natural” changes a persons rights. There’s no precedence for that, just wishful thinking.

          There is no precedence for allowing someone irrevocable access to another persons body. No amount of “this is how it should be” changes that.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Bodily autonomy ends where the intentional taking of innocent human life begins. No amount of euphemisms or legal gymnastics changes that. No amount of selfishness either.

            Open your profile so we can all see who you are. 🙂

            And answer the hypocrisy charge.

            “I’ve noticed that everyone who is for abortion has already been born.” — Ronald Reagan

          • Jalapeno

            “Bodily autonomy ends where the intentional taking of innocent human life begins”

            Whats the precedence on this?

            You can harm someone in self defense, so you can’t claim that intentional actions to avoid harm to your body aren’t acceptable.

            We let people die all the time when other people don’t want to donate organs, so you can’t say that its unacceptable when another persons life is on the line.

            It’s’ not hypocritical though. I’m glad my mom chose to have me. That doesnt mean i’d force other people to make that decision.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “Whats the precedence on this?”

            If morality were based on precedence, slavery would still be legal. (In fact, if it were left up to the Democrat Party, slavery WOULD still be legal.) You seem to be confusing “legal” with “moral,” not a great place to be given the history of human rights abuses.

            “You can harm someone in self defense”

            Killing the human in the womb is NOT self-defense. The human in the womb is innocent. If you do not believe that, then please turn yourself into the authorities for the crimes you committed in utero.

            “We let people die all the time”

            Abortion is not letting someone die – it is intentionally killing them. You seem to not actually know what abortion is. Ever seen one? Here is an example (take the spaces out):

            http://www .abortioninstruments .com/

            “It’s’ not hypocritical though. I’m glad my mom chose to have me. That doesnt mean i’d force other people to make that decision.”

            You don’t understand the hypocrisy then. You were given the opportunity to survive the womb and you are advocating for denying same to 3000 preborn humans each day. What gives you THAT right?!?

            “That doesnt mean i’d force other people to make that decision.”

            “Forcing someone” to not kill an innocent is what most of us call “civilized.”

            You need to brush up on bodily autonomy – you are not making a good case today.

            Open your profile.

            Now waiting for excuse number 3497 to kill small humans that get in the way of your selfishness.

          • Jalapeno

            ” You seem to be confusing “legal” with “moral,” not a great place to be given the history of human rights abuses.”

            Nope. I’m talking about legality, which does tend to deal in precedence.

            “Killing the human in the womb is NOT self-defense”

            I didn’t say it was.

            Let me make this a bit more clear.

            If you say that bodily autonomy does not apply because it’s an action instead of an inaction, then exercising your right to bodily autonomy through self defense wouldn’t be possible.

            If you say that bodily autonomy doesnt apply because another persons life is on the line, then we wouldn’t be able to refuse to provide life saving organs to other people.

            Do you even know what hypocrisy is? I’m holding myself to the same standards. I hold my mother to those same standards.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “I’m talking about legality”

            That’s what I said – do you lack reading comprehension?!? If you are going to make the case for abortion on legality, then you have already won. You win on slavery too. Perfectly legal. We are talking morality here, and thus far, all you have established is that pro-aborts are selfish moral degenerates.

            Again, you do not seem to understand the bodily autonomy argument. Let’s make this simple. You do not get to intentionally take an innocent human life through your actions. No matter how selfish you are. No matter how much it hurts your feelings. Even if it gets in the way of your track scholarship. How difficult is that for you to understand?

            “I’m holding myself to the same standards.”

            No you are not. You won’t even address the fact that you were given an opportunity to continue your life but are denying it to 3000 innocents each day. That is hypocrisy – rank hypocrisy. How can you not see this? Or are you just being deliberately obtuse?

            Are you the type of child who ran out the front door and then slammed it in the face of your little sister when she tried to run out behind you?

            Open your profile. 🙂

          • Jalapeno

            You’re arguing about me mixing up legality and morality, but I am not. I am talking explicitly about legality, as are you. Morality is irrelevant in this context.

            “all you have established is that pro-aborts are selfish moral degenerates.”
            Not at all. I’ve established that I’m talking about legality.

            Let me make this simple for you though.

            You do not get irrevocable access to someone elses body. Not if its natural, not if you die without it, not if it’s their fault they put you there, and not if they have to actively remove you in order to deny that access.

            “You won’t even address the fact that you were given an opportunity to continue your life but are denying it to 3000 innocents each day

            I would not have forced my mother to choose to have me. I would not force anyone else to carry to term.

            What kind of ridiculous standard is that? If you benefited from a decision, every single other person needs to make that decision in order for you to not be a hypocrite?

            Stop whining about the profile though, I’m not going to open it.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “I am talking explicitly about legality, as are you. Morality is irrelevant in this context.”

            Don’t be silly. We both already know that abortion is legal. No one is disputing that. The question is: should it remain legal? You are making the case, quite poorly, that it should.

            “You do not get irrevocable access to someone elses body.”

            OK, then neither do you. Leave the body in your womb alone. Stop killing it. Thanks for repealing Roe with me today. 🙂

            “I would not force anyone else to carry to term.”

            Not “carry to term” Another euphemism for killing little humans that get in your way. Pathetic “logic.” Just admit it: you are for killing little humans that get in your way – if you so desire, right? Have the courage and intellectual honesty to admit that.

            “If you benefited from a decision, every single other person needs to make that decision in order for you to not be a hypocrite?”

            No, if you were given the opportunity to continue your life, you don’t get to deny that opportunity to others. Pretty simple, to all but the most morally degenerate.

            Again, were you thee type of person to slam the door on the face of your little sister when you ran out of the house?!? That is a pretty good analogy, assuming your little sister was killed when you did that.

            Open your profile, cowardly hypocrite.

          • Jalapeno

            “The question is: should it remain legal? You are making the case, quite poorly, that it should.”

            Yes…which is why I’m still only discussing legality.

            “Leave the body in your womb alone”

            Why would the fetus get irrevocable access to her body? As I pointed out, saying that it’s an active action against another body doesn’t negate the bodily autonomy argument.

            “Just admit it: you are for killing little humans that get in your way – if you so desire, right? ”

            No..because it’s not true.

            “No, if you were given the opportunity to continue your life, you don’t get to deny that opportunity to others”

            You should look up the definition of hypocrisy.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “Yes…which is why I’m still only discussing legality.”

            But, we both know it is legal. The question is morality, i.e., SHOULD it remain legal? Otherwise, your logic would have kept slavery legal.

            “Why would the fetus get irrevocable access to her body?”

            Because 99% of the time, it was her actions that put him or her there. And it is the necessary location for each human being to be in to develop. Including you, who were given that opportunity but who is hypocritically denying it to 3000 little humans each day.

            “As I pointed out, saying that it’s an active action against another body doesn’t negate the bodily autonomy argument.”

            If it’s an active action AND takes the life of an innocent human being it does. You seem to want to isolate those from one another, but you can’t. Abortion is the intentional killing of an innocent human being. I really cannot imagine how a compassionate person could argue in favor of it.

            Why do you think that the bodily autonomy argument has not worked in countries where abortion has been banned and in states where it has been restricted? Because the logic simply is not there.

            Open your profile and tell me what you thought of the video. If you are going to advocate for abortion so vigorously, if not poorly, then the least you should do is to have witnessed one.

          • Jalapeno

            “But, we both know it is legal. The question is morality, i.e., SHOULD it remain legal?”

            Yes…because of how the legality works. We had legal reasons for ending slavery, it wasn’t just “hey, we’re making it like this because its how it should be”.

            “Because 99% of the time, it was her actions that put him or her there.”

            Is that your new reason why bodily autonomy doesn’t apply to pregnant women? Do you have validation to state that bodily autonomy is negated when you are the cause of harm to someone else?

            “Why do you think that the bodily autonomy argument has not worked in countries where abortion has been banned and in states where it has been restricted? ‘

            Different countries, different situation.

            ‘If it’s an active action AND takes the life of an innocent human being it does”

            So..you’re trying to set a new precedence that pretty much only applies to pregnant women?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “We had legal reasons for ending slavery”

            We had moral reasons first, long before legal ones. And it was Democrats that fought tooth and nail against ending slavery too.

            “Is that your new reason why bodily autonomy doesn’t apply to pregnant women?”

            No, there are a million reasons why it is poor “logic.” You just refuse to give up on this latest Hail Mary of the abortion industry. You don’t get to intentionally kill innocent people – you still have not addressed why the bodily autonomy covers that.

            “Different countries, different situation.”

            But, it’s happening at the state level too. 🙂

            “So..you’re trying to set a new precedence that pretty much only applies to pregnant women?”

            Nope. That is just the definition of murder. For those who are not in the tank with Big Abortion. 🙂

            No courage to watch the video, huh?

          • Jalapeno

            “We had moral reasons first, long before legal ones.”

            Yet..we had legal reasons. It wasn’t enough to say “hey, this isn’t cool”.

            “you still have not addressed why the bodily autonomy covers that.”

            It’s not as simple as intentionally killing an innocent person, it has to do with not allowing someone to keep themselves alive on your body.

            I’ve seen a dozen of the videos, I’m not going to stop what i’m doing just to validate another attempt at emotional manipulation .

            We do not allow people to rely on another persons body against their will.

            We do not ever say “you caused this situation, so your rights are moot”.

            You are trying to do that to pregnant women, though, which would be a whole new precedent that would really only apply to them.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “Yet..we had legal reasons. It wasn’t enough to say “hey, this isn’t cool”.”

            Moral before legal.

            “It’s not as simple as intentionally killing an innocent person”

            Sure it is. For those who are not cold-hearted.

            “I’ve seen a dozen of the videos, I’m not going to stop what i’m doing just to validate another attempt at emotional manipulation”

            You just confirmed you are a psychopath. Thanks!

            “We do not allow people to rely on another persons body against their will.”

            Now you are getting desperate and fumbling your words. 🙂 Translation: it’s OK to kill humans that are smaller than me and dependent on me. Inside of the womb or out.

            “We do not ever say “you caused this situation, so your rights are moot”.”

            Your rights do not include intentionally taking innocent life. Why can’t you understand that?

          • Jalapeno

            “Sure it is. For those who are not cold-hearted.”

            Believe it or not, even things that are emotionally charged have legal nuances.

            “You just confirmed you are a psychopath. Thanks!”

            I confirmed that I don’t change my stances based on how it makes me feel emotionally. I prefer basing it on silly things like “rights” and whatnot.

            “Now you are getting desperate and fumbling your words”

            Nope.

            Should I reword for you?

            It’s okay to not let someone use your body to keep themselves alive.

            It’s okay to protect yourself against someone else harming your body or putting you at risk.

            “Your rights do not include intentionally taking innocent life. ”

            Your rights to not include access to another persons body. Why can’t you understand that?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “Believe it or not, even things that are emotionally charged have legal nuances.”

            Like slavery, for instance. Very emotional issue, yet perfectly legal. You are in “fine” company.

            “I confirmed that I don’t change my stances based on how it makes me feel emotionally. ”

            No, you proved you have no heart.

            “Your rights to not include access to another persons body.”

            Great, you just abolished abortion – thanks!

          • Jalapeno

            “Like slavery, for instance. Very emotional issue, yet perfectly legal”

            There were legal reasons against it.

            There aren’t legal reasons against abortion.

            “No, you proved you have no heart.”

            Why do you think that having heart means that you automatically change your views?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “There were legal reasons against it.”

            Not when it was legal, Silly!

            “Why do you think that having heart means that you automatically change your views?”

            Having a heart means you change your views when you see the barbarity of a certain practice. You have no heart, since you clearly say you have seen that barbarity.

          • Jalapeno

            “Not when it was legal, Silly!”

            Yes..there were. Those are the reasons we used to overturn it.

            So…you think that people that have a heart just ignore all legal reasoning and go with how they think things “should” be?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “Yes..there were. Those are the reasons we used to overturn it.”

            Moral first, then legal. There would not have been laws put into place without good moral arguments. Your bodily autonomy argument is not holding up well, precisely because it is immoral.

            “So…you think that people that have a heart just ignore all legal reasoning and go with how they think things “should” be?”

            I think that people with a heart tend to be more moral than you.

          • Jalapeno

            It’s interesting that you think that a persons morals / emotional reactions are worth more than..the actual law.

            What if the majority of people thought that abortion was moral? Would you accept it?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “It’s interesting that you think that a persons morals / emotional reactions are worth more than..the actual law.”

            If the law is immoral, then it needs to be replaced. Worked to abolish slavery, and someday for abortion.

            “What if the majority of people thought that abortion was moral?”

            Objective morality is not determined by people’s opinions. If it were, we would have had slavery for much longer than we did.

          • Jalapeno

            There is no objective morality..there is only the opinions of the citizens.

            Without the law backing it up, your ideas about how things should be are worthless.

            Just in case you decide to whine about hypocrisy again…my ideas about how things should be are worthless too. I’m basing my ideas on law.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “There is no objective morality”

            Prove it! Are you really saying that what Hitler did to the Jews, or slave owners did to slaves, was not objectively immoral?!?

            “Without the law backing it up, your ideas about how things should be are worthless.”

            Laws are changing. And not for your betterment. 🙂

            “Just in case you decide to whine about hypocrisy again…my ideas about how things should be are worthless too.”

            I agree. 🙂

            “I’m basing my ideas on law.”

            Untrue. You are basing your ideas on feelings, or lack thereof.

          • Jalapeno

            Would you be okay with abortion it the majority of the country thought it was moral ?

            What about slavery?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            No and no.

            Abortion and slavery, like Jew gassing, are or were all perfectly legal and yet are all objectively immoral. That would not change if everyone thought they were right.

            At least it is refreshing to see someone in favor of abortion admit that abortion is the intentional killing of an innocent human being. Intellectually honest, yes, but creepy nevertheless.

          • Jalapeno

            Okay…so the fact that some people think somethings immoral doesn’t change anything.

            Just as I said.

          • W.t. Gregory

            I don’t mean to interrupt. But about 160 years ago there were men completely acting within the law and social norms of the time yet we as a society portray them as barbarous bruts. We judge them by today’s standards rather then by those of the day. Because we feel as those of today are humane. And then 60 years ago many fought they system again for many of the same reasons. Just because something is legal does not mean it is right. However total abolishment is not the answer either. Forgive me if this was pointed out already my phone was jumping around while trying to read the discussion.

          • Jalapeno

            Make up your mind.

            You accuse me of being heartless because I don’t get swayed by emotions, and you accuse me of basing my ideas on feelings.

            It’s funny too, since every single point I’ve made has been based on precedence, while you’re sitting there arguing that we need to stop it because its “bad”.

            So..did you ever find that evidence that abortion is overall more risky than pregnancy?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            That is correct. You are like a combination of the Tin Man and Scarecrow: you have neither a heart nor a brain.

            Open your profile, unless you are a cowardly hypocritical bully of babies.

          • Jalapeno

            Did you ever find that evidence?

            Have you noticed that every single argument I’ve made has been based on how the law works and precedence? Why would you try to claim that I’m basing it on emotions?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Thanks for abolishing abortion, BTW!

    • Carcosa

      tell me, what gives you the right to interfere with a woman’s reproductive choices? what gives you the right to deny woman access to a legal and safe medical procedure?

  • Destiny2429

    You are not helping women by supporting the abortion issue. Helping mothers to kill their babies legally is not helping them or anyone else. Women shouldn’t use abortion as a form of birth control. Abortion is murder, and abortions can kill the women that have them, as well as their unborn children.

    • Jalapeno

      You’re right..pregnancy never kills women.

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        But abortion ALWAYS kills babies. Sick!

        (Almost always, anyway.)

        • Jalapeno

          Youre ignoring the whole issue with feigning worry for the women.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Not me. I have women come up to me all the time and thank me for trying to keep other women from making the same mistake they made in signing off on the killing of their baby in the womb. They say that not a day goes by without them regretting their decision – that when they wake up, the first thing they think about is their abortion. Silent No More is a great group to look into if you have post-abortion grief:

            http://www .silentnomoreawareness .org/index.aspx

            That does not mean that there are not many women who are psychopathic and feel no guilt over killing their babies. Just that there are plenty who do regret their abortions.

          • Jalapeno

            ..Do you not see the problem with claiming that you’re protecting women by keeping them from doing something thats LESS dangerous?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            It is not less dangerous over their lives. Unless you are going to ignore the wealth of data that shows increased suicide rates, drug and alcohol addiction, and depression for post-abortive women.

            And then there is the child that just got knocked off, thanks to you and yours. You always seem to forget about her. If you were pro-woman, you would consider the fact that 1500 future women get killed every day at abortion mills. And 3000 women walk out wounded.

          • Jalapeno

            Pregnancy is more dangerous than abortion, period. Did you think that post-partum depression is just irrelevant or something?

            I’m talking about the protection of the woman though. Keep up.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Post-partum depression almost always gets better over time. Post-abortive grief almost always gets worse over time. (Except with psychopaths.) Do try to keep up.

            Yes, that is all you think about – the woman. You could care less about the little humans you advocate knocking off – 3000 per day.

            Open your profile, cowardly hypocrite.

            And pick on someone your own size instead of little humans in the womb, bully.

          • Jalapeno

            “Post-partum depression almost always gets better over time. Post-abortive grief almost always gets worse over time”

            More women kill themselves over post-partum issues than over abortion guilt, and I’m wondering if you just completely forgot about the issues that women who give up children for abortion have.

            I do care about the fetus, just like I care about babies and toddlers and women and men and every single other person out there.

            I was talking about the logical flaw in pretending to care about women by removing a safer option. Context.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            It’s not a safer option when the entire risk profile is considered. And it is a much more dangerous option for the preborn baby – nearly 100% lethal.

            Furthermore, I have yet to see a pro-abortion advocate work in a crisis pregnancy center or come alongside a woman who is abortion-minded and help her with prenatal care and compassion following the pregnancy.

            So, I really do not see any compassion for women from the pro-abortion side at all. And since abortion clinics are the best friends of rapists, pimps, and sex traffickers – that is where they go to get the “evidence” of their crimes destroyed, it is difficult for me to see the pro-abortion crowd as caring about women at all.

            I watch pregnant women walk into abortion mills all day long. and I watch wounded and dejected women walk out after their abortions. Abortion is not about empowerment: it is about killing little humans who get in the way of one’s lifestyle. The only reason that abortion is legal is because it is not a fair fight.

          • Jalapeno

            Yes..it is absolutely safer. 100%, everything considered, every aspect considered..absolutely safer.

            “So, I really do not see any compassion for women from the pro-abortion side at all.”

            I see, the only way to show compassion is to work at a crisis pregnancy center or to offer support if someone makes a choice that YOU want them to make.

            I do hope you realize, though, that many women who are unhappy about getting an abortion are unhappy because of the circumstance…and it doesn’t mean that they are regretting their decision.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Nope. Not safer. Not over the lifespan of the mom.

            “I see, the only way to show compassion is to work at a crisis pregnancy center or to offer support”

            Thank you for admitting that pro-aborts do not care about women. They just care about making women un-pregnant, by killing the little human.

            Abortion mills take women’s money, kill their babies, and move them along out of the parking spaces. Pro-lifers give these abortion-minded women time, treasure, and talent and save their babies and stand alongside them through the tough times. And no one gets killed in the process.

            Oh, I agree that many women do not regret their abortion – especially at first. But, most walk out wounded – physically, emotionally, and spiritually. It’s the psychopathic women who have no regret.

            No response to abortion mills helping rapists, sex traffickers, and pimps.

            Open your profile. 🙂

          • Jalapeno

            “Nope. Not safer. Not over the lifespan of the mom.”

            Oh man, I’d love to see your evidence of that.

            “Thank you for admitting that pro-aborts do not care about women.”

            I didn’t. Many people actually disagree with crisis pregnancy centers and consider them to be generally misleading.

            Planned Parenthood, on the other hand, is generally a very supportive organization. I’ve had to deal with them quite a bit and found them to be very compassionate and patient.

            “It’s the psychopathic women who have no regret.”

            Or..you know, most women.

            “No response to abortion mills helping rapists, sex traffickers, and pimps.”

            Let me guess…since we can’t keep women from being coerced by bad guys, we need to just take the choice away from them altogether. It’s not like a woman who gets raped might WANT to not be pregnant, right?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “Planned Parenthood, on the other hand, is generally a very supportive organization.”

            Bwahahahaha!!! OMG – thank you, I needed that.

            “I’ve had to deal with them quite a bit and found them to be very compassionate and patient.”

            If you need post-abortive counseling, I can find free counseling in your city or state for you.

            “Or..you know, most women.”

            Or, many selfish narcissistic post-abortive women. Don’t put real women into that category please.

            “Let me guess…since we can’t keep women from being coerced by bad guys, we need to just take the choice away from them altogether. It’s not like a woman who gets raped might WANT to not be pregnant, right?”

            That’s an interesting way of justifying supporting rapists, sex traffickers, and pimps.

          • Jalapeno

            “If you need post-abortive counseling, I can find free counseling in your city or state for you.”

            Yeah, ignoring the facts is easy.

            “Or, many selfish narcissistic post-abortive women. Don’t put real women into that category please.”

            Most women don’t regret abortion.

            “That’s an interesting way of justifying supporting rapists, sex traffickers, and pimps.”

            You are suggesting that we take the option of how to deal with these situations away from the women. That’s…an interesting take on support.

            So..proof that overall, abortion is riskier than pregnancy?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “Yeah, ignoring the facts is easy.”

            Da Nile ain’t just a river!

            “Most women don’t regret abortion.”

            Over time, they do.

            “option of how to deal with these situations”

            Euphemism for killing little humans that get into your way.

          • Jalapeno

            “Over time, they do.”

            Not according to the research.

            So..are you suggesting that, if someone gets raped…we protect the woman by ensuring that she doesn’t get an abortion?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I am against the death penalty for all of the children of rapists: inside of the womb or outside.

            But, rape is a terrible thing. I have been blessed to help out several victims of rape. None of them have regretted not having an abortion. The studies that I have seen show that abortion following rape conception just inflicts trauma upon trauma, and that women who have been raped do much better by giving birth to the child.

            And the child should not be punished for the crimes of the father.

            On the other side, I am for harsh sentencing for rapists, and I believe that men who do not keep it in their pants and who impregnate a woman should be harshly dealt with if they do not stand beside her and their child. I have offered a “late-term circumcision” to many irresponsible men.

            Here is a pretty interesting recent story on the rape issue:

            http://liveactionnews .org/think-woman-dead-amnesty-international/

          • Jalapeno

            I’m against pushing people into making a certain decision while pretending like I’m protecting them.

            You keep flopping back and forth.

            One minute you say that you’re worried about the protection of the mother, the next you pretend like you’re okay with the mother suffering just for the protection of the fetus.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Noep, I am pro-woman and pro-baby. You are neither.

          • Jalapeno

            I am pro-woman and pro-baby.

          • ppp777

            He is right , you are a psychopath .

          • Jalapeno

            You don’t think it’s possible to like both women and babies? To support them both?

          • Carcosa

            no such thing as “Post-abortive grief” most woman feel no regret after an abortion

          • Carcosa

            no one is “wounded ” and no one is killed.

          • Paige Turner

            Really? Random Women just come up to you all the time and say that?

            Where does this happen? Burger King? Walmart? The gym?

            It seems a little strange to me.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            At your local Church of Planned Murder in Da Hood.

          • Paige Turner

            Perhaps no one is actually coming up to you and saying anything?

            Thats the most logical explanation here. No one walks up to anyone and says random stuff about Abortions unless they have forgotten to take their anti psychotics and you don’t hear them unless you’re in the same boat.

            They are more likely to be moving away from you when you’re on the bus.

          • gogo0

            WorldGoneCrazy hasn’t said it, but I think the implication is that he/she is one of those people who hangs outside PP or places that provide legal abortions to harass people that work there and people who go in looking for medical services.

          • Paige Turner

            I think that you may indeed be correct. I also still doubt the “people come up to me” comments.

            PP do good work and only 3% of their business is abortions. They help with both Male and Female reproductive health as well as HIV prevention.

            This abortion obsession people like Worldgonecrazy is ridiculous.

          • ppp777

            A demonic reprobate like you would think that , if nothing else you are consistent .

          • Paige Turner

            Ad hominem shows that you have nothing of any value to add to this conversation and have run out of ideas and are cretinous.

            The 3% number is a fact. Argue it as much as you want however arguing facts is pointless.

            By all means if you disagree then provide references to disprove the number rather than personal insults.

          • gizmo23

            So you use racial slurs also

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Let’s see: the fact that Planned Parenthood locates the majority of its facilities in minority areas and preys especially on blacks and Hispanics makes me the racist?!? Better stay off that glue, Giz.

        • Carcosa

          I have yet to see a singe baby kill by an abortion