Atheist Ads Mocking Answers in Genesis Ark Encounter Rejected by Billboard Companies

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CINCINNATI – Two billboard companies have rejected proposed advertisements from an atheist group that mock the Answers in Genesis Ark Encounter project and describe the ark replica as a “genocide and incest park.”

Tri-State Freethinkers is an organization based in Kentucky, Indiana, and Ohio that is committed to countering what they describe as the “nonsense” of religion. In March, the group launched a fundraising campaign to counter the Ark Encounter—an evangelistic, full-size replica of Noah’s Ark being built by Answers in Genesis in northern Kentucky.

“Scheduled to open in Williamstown, Kentucky on July 7, 2016, the park celebrates a biblical parable of genocide and incest,” the atheists wrote on their fundraising page. “While they have a legal right to celebrate their mythology, we find it immoral and highly inappropriate as family entertainment. Help us remind the surrounding community and potential patrons that the biblical story of Noah’s Ark is immoral and should not be encouraged as a family fun day.”

The Tri-State Freethinkers designed billboard ads that feature a whimsical picture of Noah’s Ark along with the label, “Genocide and Incest Park: Celebrating 2,000 Years of Myths.” Late last month, however, the billboard company the atheists hoped to do business with—Lamar—backed out of the deal.

“We default to accepting most all copy, but if there’s something we deem not appropriate then we don’t run it,” said Tom Fahey, manager of the Cincinnati office of Lamar, according to the Lexington Herald-Leader. “It seemed more inflammatory in nature than anything else.”

Undeterred, the atheists reached out to a mobile billboard company with their proposal. However, that company turned them down too.

“Is it really this hard to find an advertising company in Kentucky willing to take $10,000 from science advocates?” the Tri-State Freethinkers posted on Facebook last week. The group also posted a press release on Tuesday with the heading, “Godless Billboards Blocked in Kentucky.”

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“We were surprised that the mainstream media covered the story of us simply stating that we were raising money to put up the billboard,” Tri-State Freethinkers president Jim Helton said in the release. “When the story hit the local press, Lamar backed out. They were unwilling to work with me to try to find a solution that would have resembled anything close to our original concept for the billboard.”

In the release, the atheist group mentioned that they are also “trying to put together a protest on July 7” to counter the Ark Encounter grand opening.

“We find this story immoral that’s in the Bible, and highly inappropriate for children,” Helton said in a YouTube video that shows him standing in front of a portrait of Charles Darwin. Later in the video, he tosses a Bible to the ground and urges atheists and freethinkers to contribute to the fundraising campaign.

In an interview with radio host Bill Cunningham, Helton explained why they refer to the Ark Encounter as a “genocide and incest park.”

“I don’t know how else to describe it,” he said. “In the story of Noah’s Ark, God drowns everybody. … That is textbook genocide. I see no other way to describe it. And then He repopulates the earth through incest.”

However, the Scriptures outline that both Noah’s sons and their wives were on the ark, so no incest occurred (Genesis 8:16). Where the Bible does mention incest, such as the notation of the actions of Lot’s daughters multiple generations later (Genesis 19:30-38), it was not to endorse their behavior, but to record the sinful nature of man throughout history—even after the flood, pointing to the need for the Savior and for men to be born again.

Scripture also states that Noah, who is called a “preacher of righteousness,” pleaded for 120 years up until the flood for men to repent of evil, but they refused, and mocked the notion of consequence or punishment. The Bible repeatedly outlines that God has no pleasure in the death of any man, but desires that sinners would repent, turn to Christ, and be saved (1 Timothy 2:4): “Have I any pleasure at all that the wicked should die? saith the Lord GOD: and not that he should return from his ways, and live?” (Ezekiel 18:23).

Ken Ham, president of Answers in Genesis, described Tri-State Freethinkers as intolerant and aggressive.

“In 2 Peter 3, the Bible speaks of such scoffers who deliberately reject Creation and the Flood,” he wrote in a blog post. “What we experience from these modern scoffers, must be just a fraction of the scoffing Noah must have endured. All but his own family had rebelled against a Holy God who had every right to mete out righteous judgment because: ‘Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually (Genesis 6:5).’”


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  • bowie1

    The “Freethinkers” misrepresent what the Bible says about the violence and sex as if it endorses some of the events that happen. It’s like saying the same thing about the daily newspaper when it reports on terrorists, murderers, rapists, etc. Reporting is not the same as endorsing.

    • Frank Dorka

      But in the Bible your god endorses rape, murder and violence even against your own family and slaves. That is different from “reporting”.

      • bowie1

        What do the commandments say about it? And what is the summary of the law that we love God and our neighbor in the same way we love ourselves. That suggests just the opposite.

        • Frank Dorka

          Well. the Bible is plum full of contradictions, isn’t it?

          • bowie1

            No, not really. The reason is many go over it rather superficially or recklessly not really understanding it. There are sources which you can find which will explain the alleged contradictions which are not contradictions at all.

          • Frank Dorka

            Biased sources, no doubt.

          • bowie1

            Are you sure it isn’t you that is biased? Besides, doesn’t it make sense that Judas hangs himself, the branch breaks and his body falls down to the ground below and bursts open in my example? Also if all the descriptions were exactly the same wouldn’t it smell like a conspiracy to make sure all accounts are written in the same way? This is what makes police suspicious if multiple witnesses sound too much like they got together as to what they will say and their accounts are practically copies of each other.

          • Frank Dorka

            Biased? Yeah, but only against religion and the religious. How about you?

          • bowie1

            I just aim for the truth. But it must be very difficult for the non-religious to accept something which they can’t understand or explain.

          • Frank Dorka

            How lucky for you to be religious. I was up until my mid-thirties. Got tired of trying to understand and explain to others. Now I don’t have to.
            Seem like you don’t know how to explain it either.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Frank, I actually thought that Bowie1 did a particularly outstanding job of explaining how to resolve Bible difficulties.

            And, of course, even if true Biblical contradictions DID exist, that would not be warrant against the existence of the Biblical God – only against Biblical inerrancy.

            As a former atheist, it was not the Bible that drew me into Christianity but, Christ – plus a ton of science, logic, and philosophy.

          • Frank Dorka

            With a ” ton of science, logic, and philosophy” why would you also find need for a god?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            If the science, logic, and philosophy point to God, then that is just a matter of me following the data where it led me and not rejecting the data for emotional or blind faith reasons.

          • Frank Dorka

            I would love to see some of that evidence you surely have. Don’t you want to share or are you afraid of being found a liar?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Here is an overview, but I do not expect a blind faith atheist like you to be able to follow it, especially as you cannot provide evidence that your parents were your creators, as you a$$erted below:

            Cosmological argument (God is the best explanation for the beginning of the universe), contingency argument from Leibniz (God is the best explanation for the mere existence of the universe), fine-tuning argument (God is the best explanation for the universe being able to support any kind of life whatsoever), argument from design (God is the best explanation for the order in living and non-living things), the moral argument (God is the best explanation for why objective moral values and duties even exist), the Minimal Facts Argument (God is the best explanation for the events surrounding the life and death of Jesus of Nazareth), etc.

          • Frank Dorka

            Never come to a logic argument armed with the Bible.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            And, in fact, there is no Bible in those arguments at all.

            Clearly, only one of us learned logic – perhaps it is the one who has 4 degrees in engineering and math, and two long-term operational spacecraft under his belt. 🙂

          • Frank Dorka

            Not me, I only had two years of New Testament and one of the Old Testament.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Great! So, now please provide the evidence you found that deconverted you – the evidence that God does not exist, since I gave you a pretty good overview of my evidence.

          • Frank Dorka

            I must have missed it.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Yep, I did not think you had any evidence. 🙂

          • John Wood

            Read through this whole debate. And I see Frank as a broken vessel. He doesn’t see God like we do because of something happening to him and not because of mental studies. I hope he finds his way, but truly best reply was when you asked for his evidence.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Yes, good analysis, thank you. I actually think he might be still seeking on this – once we got the ad hominems and strawmen out of the way.

          • John Wood

            I personally think there are times a good Bible Study is needed, but there are also times often missed when we don’t tackle the heart issues.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            So true. Because, at some point, the submission / trust is one of the heart as much as of the head, perhaps more so.

          • George

            the real issue is that you hate God, you love your sin, and that’s really it. so, as long as you can find any reason not to believe, you can continue watching your porn, lying when convenient, lusting after the opposite sex (or same sex) being your own authority, the list goes on and on…..

          • Oboehner

            Nope.

        • C_Alan_Nault

          Which commandments? There are 613, and the ones most people call “the ten commandments” are not the ones the Bible calls “the ten commandments”.

      • Oboehner

        Even if true, what are you whining about, survival of the fittest right?

    • gogo0

      what was god endorsing when the only way to keep the human race going was for cain, abel, and seth to have sex with and impregnate their own mom, with even more incest to follow?
      how about when god said ‘every single person on earth except noah and his family are evil and must be extinguished (including children, babies, and unborn babies in their mother’s womb)?

      • bowie1

        You have a SEVERE lack of knowledge when it came to the next generations and there is no mention of them impregnating their own mother! You forgot that Adam and Eve had other sons and daughters to carry on the human race, and in a generation or two the closer relations would be watered down until relations between close relatives was banned. As for Noah’s family his sons had wives that could re-populate the earth since peoples’ hearts had been evil continually. However God repented of what he had done and made a promise that he would not wipe out mankind with a worldwide flood again. P.S. If you are pro-choice on abortion why would you worry about the unborn babies anyway?

        • gogo0

          are you saying that having sex with your siblings is not incest?

          “However God repented of what he had done and made a promise that he would not wipe out mankind with a worldwide flood again.”
          yes, another poster said in this thread that the next go-around would be with fire. lucky thing god can keep repenting after his genocides.

          being pro-choice does not preclude me from asking questions about the bible and christian hypocrisy

          • bowie1

            Yes, having sex with siblings is incest but in the beginning no law had yet been formulated banning it, and without the law on that no sin would have been committed. Even now if there is no secular law against certain crimes then a person cannot be charged because it is not yet defined as such.

          • gogo0

            god didn’t have a law against incest, in fact he made it absolutely necessary to the survival of the species. so why is marriage “defined” as being between a man and a woman because that’s how adam and eve were, yet christians do not wholeheartedly embrace the incest that they practiced?

            please don’t point to Leviticus, either those old testament laws were replaced by jesus and the new testament or christians selectively apply the Levitical laws they like and ignore the ones they don’t.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            “yet christians do not wholeheartedly embrace the incest that they practiced”

            Christianity has never endorsed incest. Christians follow Christ. It would seem that your hang-up is with Orthodox Judaism. Please provide evidence that you have put them to your test.

            In fact, the main factors distinguishing the early Christian Church from its surrounding culture is that Christians did NOT practice incest, adultery, all forms of depraved sexuality, and abortion. You know – the things most atheists agree with these days.

            Most atheist attacks using the OT are strawmen on Christianity, but good questions to ask serious Jews. I suggest you take it up with them.

          • gogo0

            this guy Ken Faivor doesn’t seem to be a jew, and he seems pretty hung up on the OT and its moral laws.
            using fundamental christians’ hypocrisy in selecting some OT to follow and some to not (adam and eve codifying marriage but not adam eve and their kids codifying incest, using leviticus to condemn gays yet not killing adulterers, etc) is hardly a strawman. it is a simple demonstration of either christian ignorance or christian dishonesty (same for muslims and their quran for that matter). some of you guys in here are definitely intelligent enough to read and understand the bible, and you use all kinds of tricks to justify specific interpretations and omissions, so I don’t think you get to use ignorance as an excuse. cognitive dissonance at its worst

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            I’m not sure what your rant actually is referring to, but it does not address the point I made regarding Christianity and the Church’s prohibitions against incest, adultery, sexual depravity, and abortion, among other things, from Day 1.

            Furthermore, you seem to confuse the study of OT (and presumably NT) Biblical difficulties with evidence for the existence of God. It is almost as though you are repeating slogans from atheist chatrooms, but it surely is not an intellectual exercise you are engaging in. I say this as a former atheist and as someone who really enjoys engaging with same.

            I hope I did not insult you – it’s just that the OT tack is really a colossal strawman, and diversion, on the question of if theism or atheism is true.

            And regarding the story, I wish almost all billboards had worldview content – atheistic, Christian, Muslim, agnostic, etc. That would be much preferred to a lot of silly and near pornographic content that has led to a dumbed down America. It would make great discussion for car travelers.

      • Ken Faivor

        Ya know, Adam and Eve had many many more children than Cain, Abel, and Seth, that is just all that are listed. They had no birth control and were not nearly as far down the degenerated gene pool as we are now, meaning they were robust……….How many children could you produce if you lived 930 years?

        • gogo0

          so yes, god was endorsing incest. thank you

          • Ken Faivor

            It was not a law back then buckwheat.

          • gogo0

            incest is prohibited in Leviticus, same book that says adulterers must be put to death and mixing fabrics is forbidden.
            execute anyone who has been re-married lately? how about wear a cotton blend?
            is there a special list of the laws in Leviticus that you *do* follow versus the ones that you *don’t* follow?

          • Ken Faivor

            That is the old covenant buckwheat. But God’s moral law never goes out of style…..you know what I mean don’t ya buckwheat? It is embedded in the written law, if you have eyes to see.

            Lev 19:19 Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with two kinds of seed: neither shall there come upon thee a garment of two kinds of stuff mingled together.

            This verse speaks volumes, basically it says:

            2Co 6:14 Be not unequally yoked with unbelievers: for what fellowship have righteousness and iniquity? or what communion hath light with darkness?
            2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what portion hath a believer with an unbeliever?
            2Co 6:16 And what agreement hath a temple of God with idols? for we are a temple of the living God; even as God said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

            And a mingled seed is the new born again man cohabitating with the old man within yourself that a Christian reckons to be dead.

            Rom 6:11 Even so reckon ye also yourselves to be dead unto sin, but alive unto God in Christ Jesus.
            Rom 6:12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey the lusts thereof:

            Gal_2:20 I have been crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I that live, but Christ living in me: and that life which I now live in the flesh I live in faith, the faith which is in the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself up for me.

            The mingled garment is more of the same. Christian put on Christ as pure white linen apart from the wool garment of the animalistic fallen nature

            Rom_13:14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.

            Gal_3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ did put on Christ.

            See now?

          • gogo0

            yes, I see that you interpret things to fit your desires and ignore the rest. that’s the problem with using a millennia-old book as an infallible modern-day guide, some of it just doesn’t work in modern society. oh, and it looks like you forgot to include in your breakdown, along with seeds and clothes somehow being allegorical, any rationalization for putting adulterers to death

          • Ken Faivor

            That’s easy bucky. For a Christian it’s to put to death the adulterer in you.

            Rom 8:12 So then, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh:
            Rom 8:13 for if ye live after the flesh, ye must die; but if by the Spirit ye put to death the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

            See now?

          • gogo0

            what is the prohibition of incest in Leviticus an allegory of? and gay relations? or did you decide to take those particular ones literally?

          • Ken Faivor

            God’s moral laws never go out of style. I thought I told you that already.

            1Co 6:9 Or know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with men,
            1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

            1Co 5:1 It is actually reported that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not even among the Gentiles, that one of you hath his father’s wife.
            1Co 5:2 And ye are puffed up, and did not rather mourn, that he that had done this deed might be taken away from among you.

          • gogo0

            I understand that you are just picking and choosing what needs to be reinterpreted and what doesn’t, but even using that entirely-subjective and intellectually dishonest method, divorce and adultery would land in the ‘immoral’ column.
            let me guess, adulterers are now put to spiritual or communal “death”, and not stoning them like they used to do in accordance with the same bible verses.

          • Ken Faivor

            No, but they should be put out of the Church unless they repent, lest they pollute the whole Church.

            1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
            1Co 5:7 Purge out the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, even as ye are unleavened. For our passover also hath been sacrificed, even Christ:

          • Ken Faivor

            The trouble is, today they let any old sinner in. It has become the “come as you are and stay that way” church. Repentance has gone to the wayside and the Church has suffered for it, It needs to stop.

          • Fabian Kawo

            Ken, some of us who share here can see that you are doing a great job by witnessing the TRUTH however gogo0 does not seem to digest the TRUTH. gogo0 knows deep down his heart that God exist, maybe gogo0 has some personal grudges against God or gogo0 has reached an apostate state where gogo0
            is blind to the TRUTH where he cannot see the TRUTH.

          • gogo0

            you don’t need to include the random quotes from other books that support your perversion of scripture, you’ve clearly demonstrated to me that the interpretation of the laws in Leviticus are either literal, ignored, or “interpreted” based on the desires of the reader. honestly, I wasn’t really sure how people were justifying it until now, so thank you.

          • Ken Faivor

            The old covenant letter of the law is interpreted in the spirit by the Holy Spirit. It doesn’t surprise me that you don’t understand.

            2Co_3:6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of a new covenant; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

          • gogo0

            no, I understand. you get a feeling about something and believe that it’s the holy spirit directing you. what a happy coincidence the god tends to want the same things we want. this method of interpreting the bible is why there are thousands of different sects all claiming to be the right one (I wonder if it’s yours!)

          • SuperSanic

            Nailed it.

  • ComeOnPeople!

    Many do not understand that apart from Noah , men had become evil in their thought and actions and that the women of men had mixed with fallen angles. The whole earth had become corrupt just as it is becoming now. They can mock but the Creator just like Noah is crying out to them to repent of their ways and return to God. There will be mass destruction again to purge the earth & it won’t be water this time but fire.

    • Josey

      Exactly and they were so evil that they even corrupted animals and this world is headed so fast right back there. They conveniently leave out the parts that speak the truth and they inject their own parts into the message God is conveying. Solomon had it right in Ecclesiastes 1:9 The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun. And these atheists think they are so smart, like they just came up with something new, they think we who believe in God’s word are ignorant, outdated fools but it will be us who in eternity are rejoicing and living an amazing time with our Savior, their arrogancy will be their fall, those who don’t learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

    • gogo0

      you’re saying that noah was more righteous and deserving of life than all the babies and unborn on the earth at that time?

      “Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee” Jeremiah 1:5
      …and you were too evil to live

      • ComeOnPeople!

        God knows the beginning and the end and yes HE foreknew what choices each baby and unborn child would make before they even made those choices. Most children will become what they are taught and the society was in rebellion to GOD and evil. Much of the earth had been corrupted also with a mixture of evil angelic beings and human beings. Therefore much of the unborn would be of that mixture and God never agrees with a mixture of any kind. HE is holy! As to Noah… you should thank him because had it not been for his faithfulness to God’s ways… you would not be here. Many times God spared destroying all those HE had created because of a righteous man who stood in the gap.

  • Tangent002

    As an atheist, I despise this sort of attack crap.

    • Frank Dorka

      I do not understand.

      • JustNTyme

        anything

        • Frank Dorka

          At least I do not hide behind a rainbow. Do you have a real name?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Haha! But, if you HAD to hide somewhere, a rainbow would be a pretty kewl place to hide, right, Frank?

          • Frank Dorka

            If you are gay, I guess it would be alright.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Oh, but I do think the rainbow preceded the gay movement, no?

          • Frank Dorka

            But did you?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            No, I did not precede the rainbow. 🙂

    • bowie1

      We suggest you keep your money in your pocket then.

    • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

      As an atheist, you really shouldn’t. You know it is just the meaningless wafting of waves in distant colliding atoms that have no meaningful message for with the random arrangement of atoms that is currently producing an illusion that pretends to be you.

      Yet somehow you do despise it … it’s strange … as if … as if …

      • gogo0

        as if… atheists want to enjoy life even without an imaginary prize at the end?
        just because you struggle with the concept of nihilism doesn’t mean other people do

      • SuperSanic

        How do you know there is no meaningful message? We don’t know everything about the universe. Either way, we can create our own meaning. That is why art exists.

        • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

          If all is randomness, then the brief appearance of a pattern means nothing, even if it is organized into the shape of a man or message. If we are random, then what we create is completely meaningless, and the appearance of a sensation of artistic appreciation is nothing but a cruel trick wrought by the atheist gods of indifferent evolutionary chance. All atheists know that this is not true, but they cannot understand why, because they love the notion that there is no God.

          • SuperSanic

            “If all is randomness”.

            You just assumed that all is randomness. As an atheist, I do not assume that all is randomness.

            “then the brief appearance of a pattern means nothing, even if it is organized into the shape of a man or message”

            It means whatever you want it to mean. We have brains. We can assign meanings to things. If we couldn’t, you could not read this text. Languages would not work.

            “If we are random, then what we create is completely meaningless, and the
            appearance of a sensation of artistic appreciation is nothing but a
            cruel trick wrought by the atheist gods of indifferent evolutionary
            chance.”

            But are we all random? If everything was random, then physics could not be applied. F=ma would not be a valid equation. It could randomly switch to a= Fm, or m=FA. But it isn’t random if there are absolutes in our universe.

            “All atheists know that this is not true, but they cannot understand why, because they love the notion that there is no God.”

            So, projecting, aren’t we? How would you like it if I said you know that god does not exist? Is that fair? I don’t love the notion that there is no god, but I don’t hate it either. I don’t know if god exists or not. I cannot draw any conclusion based on the lack of evidence.

            So your whole argument hinges on ‘If all is randomness’. So, can you prove that all is randomness?

          • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

            The atheist proposition is that God does not exist. This means there is some other cause for the order in the universe, and their leading explanation is randomness – a big bang of string theories and a temporary lucky outcome for us here to ponder it. This is absurd, and doesn’t stand up to any critical examination. The cornered atheist becomes agnostic – he doesn’t know anymore. This is a stronger position, because of the element of truth: he really doesn’t know. The element of deception is that he doesn’t know because he chooses not to know, because he dislikes honestly facing what he will know.

          • SuperSanic

            “The atheist proposition is that God does not exist.”

            Atheism is the lack of belief in gods. You can be an atheist and assert that god does not exist, but it is not a requirement.

            “This means there is some other cause for the order in the universe, and their leading explanation is randomness.”

            I have yet to meet one atheist who thinks the universe came out of ‘randomness’.

            “a big bang of string theories and a temporary lucky outcome for us here
            to ponder it. This is absurd, and doesn’t stand up to any critical
            examination.”

            That is why it is still being researched. We still do not have an answer. It is more intellectually honest to admit you don’t know then to jump to the conclusion that a magical sky daddy made everything.

            “The cornered atheist becomes agnostic – he doesn’t know anymore.”

            Still an atheist according to the definition.

            “This is a stronger position, because of the element of truth: he really doesn’t know.”

            Finally, we come to agree on something.

            “The element of deception is that he doesn’t know because he chooses not
            to know, because he dislikes honestly facing what he will know.”

            Aaaaaaand you lost me. It is rather arrogant of you to assume that we don’t know because we choose not to seek the knowledge. There is a reason science exists, so we can find out as much about the universe as we can. I want to know the truth just as much as every other atheist in these message boards that ask the same question:

            ‘Do you have proof that god exists?’

          • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

            Ah, the demand for proof – not evidence to be pondered, but proof. At last. You are my proof. You are not on “these message boards”. You are on a Christian news site. You are reaching out to God in a limp and ineffectual manner, because you are made in his image, but dead in sin. Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me.

          • SuperSanic

            “You are reaching out to God in a limp and ineffectual manner.”

            What if the real god needs to be discovered in this particular manner? You have not given me any reason to believe anything you have proposed.

            “Jesus said, I am the way, the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by me.”

            And all the other religions hold similar requirements. What if the real god requires me to jump off a cliff to get into heaven? If you told me that, should I believe you? There are many atheists I have met that ‘sought jesus’, became religious (or haven’t), but then became atheist again. Based on that scientific observation, that seems far from efficient. It may work for you, but not for others. If it has different results for different people, perhaps there is a more complex underlying cause..

            Also, the fact that it seems that most religious people I come into contact with rely heavily on pascals wager, and the watchmakers argument (both of which are fallacy’s), and misinformation about atheists, as you have shown, shows me that it is obviously way more than just ‘seeking jesus’ that makes them believe, it is faulty logic.

          • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

            Go ahead. Appoint a false god for your pleasures, and that is the god you shall have in the day of disaster. You might like to try the socialist state – socialist disasters are spectacularly disastrous. Just figure out how not to die or face actual trouble in life, since they’re not so good with that stuff.

          • SuperSanic

            No gods thank you. As for socialism, I only tolerate a little bit of it. Only enough so that we still have public schools and libraries.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “The cornered atheist becomes agnostic”

            Those things are not mutually exclusive. One can not believe in something and at the same time not claim to know for sure if it exists or not. Or even believe that it can NOT be known.

            “Agnostic atheists are atheistic because they do not hold a belief in the existence of any deity and agnostic because they claim that the existence of a deity is either unknowable in principle or currently unknown in fact.” (wikipedia)

    • JustNTyme

      Why? You should feel kinship with those who hate the same things as you. Hate is what binds atheists together.

      • gogo0

        hilarious to see your comment on this board, which is filled with hate primarily by christians.
        anyway, it’s a low-effort attack that does nothing but harden the resolve of christians that see it. logic and reason cure religion, not anger.

      • SuperSanic

        Oh the irony.

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      Thanks for your intellectual honesty. As a Christian, former atheist, I would much prefer that more billboards were worldview ones – atheist, Christian, Islam, etc. This particular one is a poorly done strawman though. I can think of many better ones from the atheist side. Tri-State freethinkers did not do much thinking here.

  • Kelly Samuelson

    If these ‘freethinkers’ don’t like the ark being built, don’t go see it. Plain as that.

    • Theodore Fenton

      I doubt they will.

    • JeffreyRo55

      The “freethinkers” are a joke. Their narrative goes something like this: “I learned to think for myself after reading Christopher Hitchens and Richard Dawkins.” They’re too stupid to see their irony in that.

    • Frank Dorka

      Let’s ask for the tax incentives back from these thieves against America.

    • gizmo23

      Don’t like abortion, don’t have one. Plain as that

      • Kelly Samuelson

        The difference there is we aren’t killing any innocent lives with this ark. In fact, we are trying to save souls.

  • Theodore Fenton

    So much for free speech.

    • Gal5:22-23

      Well, free speech means that this group can buy the land, get the permits, build their own sign and put what they want on it. A business can have a policy that they won’t rent to abusive messaging as long as it doesn’t involve civil rights classes.

      A billboard from an atheist group advertising their own positions – might not be rejectable.
      A billboard not about their beliefs but attacking someone else’s – can be rejected.

      • Frank Dorka

        Then the same should be said about Christian propaganda. Keep it off of public land and we will all be fine.

        • Gal5:22-23

          Billboards are private property, that’s the point.

          • Frank Dorka

            Ten Commandment monuments on courthouse lawns are not private property. That is also the point.

          • Gal5:22-23

            Which has nothing to do with the blog entry.

          • Frank Dorka

            Oh, I think it does.

          • Carlo

            You don’t think at all.

          • Frank Dorka

            That’s right. I KNOW!

          • JustNTyme

            Dumb old fggot

          • Frank Dorka

            Judge as you will be judged. – Jesus

    • muzjlk

      You mean like in Cuba?
      Atheists hate free speech.

  • http://groups.yahoo.com/group/EvidencefortheBible/ Galut1

    Accountability to a creator is not a suit many (not all) atheist wish to wear ….

    • Frank Dorka

      Well, yeah. My mother and father were my creators. Who were yours?

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        Please explain how your mother and father created your eyes when they were having sex and you were conceived. I would like to see the blueprints they used for the design of your eyes.

        • Frank Dorka

          Please explain how Adam and Eve’s boys found wives? My eyes are exactly like my dads. Who’s eyes do you have?

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Answering my question with a question is a sign of intellectual dishonesty. Please try again.

          • Frank Dorka

            Sorry, learned that when I was a Christian and having a helluva time letting go.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Haha! So, are you going to backtrack on your parents being your creators, since all they did was have sex and design no part of you?

          • Frank Dorka

            Sorry, learned “intellectual dishonesty” when I was a Christian. DNA is completely responsible for my gorgeous brown eyes. Did god give you his eyes? How lucky again.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Still deflecting. Your “creator-parents” were not smart enough to design you, only smart enough to have sex? Not very omniscient. 🙂

            Clearly, you are a blind faith atheist.

          • Frank Dorka

            Actually, I know that Jesus wants me for a sun….beam to shine for him each day!

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Aaaah. More deflection. Thank you for conceding defeat. 🙂

          • JustNTyme

            Your dad was probably a crack addict who lived under a bridge.
            I bet you got AIDS before you were 12.

          • Frank Dorka

            Just a guess, Christian?

        • gizmo23

          DNA

          • The Last Trump

            Sorry Giz.
            DNA is copywritten.
            Belongs to God. An extremely complex information code.
            Which cannot arise spontaneously via magic.
            Intelligence, a VAST intelligence, put it there.

          • gizmo23

            You didn’t ask for it’s origin just the blueprint

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Nope. I want his parents to tell me – how they figured out the design for his eyes. He claimed they were his creators, so they should know how they made his eyes.

  • Frank Dorka

    “The atheist group also failed to convince a mobile billboard truck to display the
    controversial messages, with the truck’s owner telling the
    Courier-Journal that he was concerned about his safety.” CHRISTIANS = VIOLENCE?????

    • gogo0

      nothing for him to worry about, he works in a truck and not a planned parenthood office.

  • jael2

    So the “Freethinkers” want the freedom to think for themselves, but abhor Christians who do the same?

    • Frank Dorka

      But Christians predominately do not think for themselves. They usually are the same religion as their parents (and grandparents), have never read the Bible for themselves and seem to base their lives upon hearsay.

      • Tux

        Quite a broad brush you paint us with.

        • Ken Faivor

          It’s the new Wormwood 666 extended death brush from hellwhole. With bent over bristles to whitewash all lies with just 6 coats, comes in a rainbow of 6 colors to choose from. Can be purchased at Target and many other P.C. stores near you.

  • Nidalap

    Just like a bevvy of vampires getting doused with holy water. Ach! All the hissing and fang-baring! 🙂

    • WorldGoneCrazy

      OK, Nidalap, I just got done notifying my half of the billboard owners not to put an atheist stuff up there. Did you get your half done?

      • Nidalap

        Ah, man! Nobody sends me memos anymore!
        This failure to communicate is totally unacceptable! There’s going to be a new order of business at the next meet! 🙂

        • WorldGoneCrazy

          I will bring cookies!

  • Chip01

    I thought we don’t buy into the Old Testament anymore?
    Or is it we don’t buy into the Old Testament when we are persecuting others because it’s thrown in our face for the blatant hypocrisy … But we do for fun filled theme parks?

  • Chip01

    Wasn’t Noah a ripoff story of the great flood known as the “Epic of Gilgamesh”?

    Do you think they will sell Epic Of Gilgamesh Snow Cones?

    • gogo0

      not enough space left after the miniature dinosaurs were added

  • Toby Gardner

    Well even Noah’s great grandson Niimrod tried to think he was as great as God. He was was the first leader of The New World Order. Tried building the Tower of Babel.

  • Scott Davenport

    wow…if Genesis 6:5 doesn’t describe modern day liberals and democrats, I dunno what does….

    • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

      It really does.

      • gizmo23

        God allows all evil

      • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

        Even though God has Allowed Humanity to do all the evil they desire. There will come a day God will put an end to all evil. I give Praise to God on the day He puts an end to all evil.
        < Shalom <

  • muzjlk

    How ironic, atheists bring up the word “genocide.”

    Let’s see…

    Figures from The Black Book of Communism, published by Harvard University Press:

    USSR, 20 million deaths
    Communist China, 65 million deaths
    North Korea, 2 million deaths
    Cambodia, 2 million deaths

    In about three centuries the Crusades claimed 2 million lives; the Communist Pol Pot in Cambodia snuffed out roughly the same number in a mere 3 years.

    Those atheists, they sure know how to kill.

    • Chip01

      There are only two things that are similar between communism and atheism.

      First, they both consider organized religion as their ideological enemies. In communism, organized religion was considered to be one of the barriers to the successful rollout of their political and economic ideas. In typical atheism, it’s much simpler: religion and other forms of belief in God or the spiritual world are simply considered wrong-headed ways of looking at the world and appear to foster ignorance.

      The result is that communists have gone to physical war against religion, killed members of religions, and banned religions from territories they controlled. Typically atheism, by contrast, engages in philosophical debates.

      With the end of the USSR and the death of Mao, the anti-religious nature of communism pretty much died. And, it was always the case that organized religion was one of many enemies of the communist state, probably not even one of the top 5. Yes, China (the only remaining supposedly communist country) blocks or otherwise controls some religious organizing, but any religious organizing that isn’t considered a possible threat is generally allowed to continue. The same is true of many forms of organized activity in China.

      The other similarity is that they are used together in religious sermons, typically Christian sermons in the US, as if they are a unified system of belief at war with them. The two seem to be viewed as the primary enemies that can be used to foster a belief that they are a constantly attacked minority, fighting the true fight against oppression.

      Otherwise, there is nothing that links atheism and communism and it’s laughable that Christians continue linking them together. Indeed, atheist skeptics are probably even less interested in communism than the religious tend to be.

    • SuperSanic

      Guns don’t kill people, people with guns kill people.

      Same rules apply to atheism.

      • Oboehner

        You confuse catholics with Christians as do many.

        • SuperSanic

          No true Scotsman fallacy.

          • Oboehner

            “Experience teaches that there is no other remedy for the evil, but to put heretics (Protestants) to death; for the (Romish) church proceeded gradually and tried every remedy: at first she merely excommunicated them; afterwards she added a fine; then she banished them; and finally she was constrained to put them to death.” -Cardinal Bellarmine famous champion of Romanism cited by Schumucker p. 76
            Absolutely true.

          • SuperSanic

            And yet they were Christians..

          • Oboehner

            Correction, catholics.

          • PumperPickle

            Still Christians. Religion + Bible = Christian.

          • Oboehner

            Catholics faith is in the pope, the bible is secondary – they are as Christian as any other cult like the Mormons or JWs.

    • Cady555

      Totalitarian dictators thrive on thought police, with all unapproved thoughts punishable by death. Historically, the approved thoughts have usually been religious. In the 20th century, “world communism,” which had a supernatural cosmic goal, was used. But in every case, a power hungry despot used whatever means available to achieve absolute power and control. Christianity was used yo justify genocide as well.

      The cure is keeping religion separate from government power and authority.

      Ham can create is cement ark, but he needs to do it without government tax breaks. Others can protest.

    • Roger Peritone

      Well, then there is your own god, who killed off the entire global population instead of 8 people. Kind of a higher proportion than any so-called “atheist” regime.

      Then there is the religious 30-Years war, which killed off one third of the german states. Again, a higher proportion than any “atheist” regime.

      All the religious killings were done by people quoting verses from the bible and the koran and such. Atheism has no such book with such orders.

    • C_Alan_Nault

      None of those killings were done in the name of atheism. They were done in the name of communism.

      If you believe the Bible, the leader for committing or ordering genocide is god.

      ( according to the Bible, the only people Satan killed was Job’s family… after he got permission from god to kill them)

  • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

    Atheists/Freethinkers getting a taste of their own medicine – being censored.

    • Chip01

      2 wrongs make a right? Which verse in the bible propels this notion?

      • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

        Glad to hear that u do admit that the atheists hv been wrong in censoring Christians..

        • Chip01

          I realize, as a Christian, it’s only natural for you to read something and then incorrectly twist it’s meaning to fit your own prejudices…

          But in this case, you’ve done this with 2 questions…

    • gizmo23

      Revenge – the basis for Christian morals?

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    1) God was righteous in wiping out the generations of Noah’s day, because those were utterly evil people. (Genesis ch. 6, Leviticus ch. 18-20) The Creator God has responsibility for the future generations, the planet, and the entire universe. He does not need to satisfy today’s evil American atheists’ imaginations. American atheists should worry over the Judgment Day that is coming upon them. Noah’s Flood is a mere warning to the final judgment by fire upon the modern Sodom. ( II Peter ch.3, Jude ch.1)

    • Cady555

      The babies were evil? The puppies were evil? The sheep were evil? Ostriches and penguins and unborn fetuses were evil? The young mother desperately trying to keep an infant above water while clinging to a toddler was evil? Or is it just your god that is evil?

      Not to mention the fact that after the flood, humans in the bible seemed to behave pretty much like before, so what was the point?

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    2) Lot’s daughters committed incest because they were educated by the Sodomites. Growing up in Sodom promotes people commit all kinds of sexual depravity. Education counts. USA needs Judeo-Christian education for morality. All Americans are also descendants of Noah; American atheists must stop mocking their own parents and ancestors. This matter is serious. Mocking the ancestors is something only the secular Westerners of former Christendom do; that’s why the West is not being respected like it was before. Normal people respect one’s own parents and ancestors, and no one respects attackers of parents. Secular Westerners hate Christianity so much they hate their own parents and ancestors, but it only shortens one’s life span. ( Exodus ch.20) Childlessness is one form of Divine judgment. American atheists must stop doing evil now. All peoples, both past and present, are far more moral than today’s American atheists; no people ever promoted blasphemy, infanticide, and Sodomy like today’s secular Americans do.

    • Josey

      I will add Lot’s daughters also thought the whole world was gone and that they wouldn’t have an heir so they came up with that perverse plan but agree it had to do with being raised in Sodom.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    3) All Americans are also descendants of Noah; American atheists must stop mocking their own parents and ancestors. This matter is serious. Mocking the ancestors is something only the secular Westerners of the former Christendom do; that’s why the West is no longer being respected like it was before. Normal people respect one’s own parents and ancestors, and no one respects attackers of parents. Secular Westerners hate Christianity so much they slander their own parents and ancestors, but it only shortens one’s life span. ( Exodus ch.20) Childlessness is one form of Divine judgment upon rich secular nations. American atheists must stop doing evil now. All peoples, both past and present, are far more moral than today’s American atheists; no people ever promoted blasphemy, infanticide, and Sodomy like today’s secular Americans do. The Westerners need Christianity for both salvation and morality.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    USA was created by the Christians for Christian happiness. Americans must read their own anthems and founding documents and monuments. Liberty was established for the access to God’s Word and for keeping a clear conscience according to the Holy Bible, not submitting to atheists’ evil tyranny on the American soil. Today’s American atheists are behaving like the Japanese soldiers of WW2 whom the American fathers defeated in the last century. US history and the current conditions of USA are just another proof that Christianity is right.

  • Amos Moses

    So they decided to give free advertising in the form of a giant billboard ……………. LOL! …….. confused thinking leads to confused actions ………….

  • Amos Moses

    If there is no God, then there is no bible. If there is no bible, then there are no absolutes. If there are no absolutes, then there is no morality. If there is no morality, then men get to choose which laws are to be lived by and then there basically is no law……….. there is only lawlessness.

    • Cady555

      Absolute morality?

      Show me where this book of absolute morality forbids sex with children.

      Show me where it says it is immoral to have sex with any person without their consent.

      Show me where it says owning human beings is immoral.

      Show me where it says torturing animals is wrong.

      Think for a second. We all agree those things are wrong, yet the bible does not forbid them. So where does morality really come from?

      • SuperSanic

        It comes from our sense of empathy and our concern for other human beings. Sadly, some people seem to lack this empathy and are sociopaths. Those people need religion, but we don’t.

        • Amos Moses

          Sure………..

          Known A-Theists who thought they did not “need religion and the threat of hellfire to keep them from causing suffering towards others”……

          Joseph Stalin – 10 and 20 million Soviets and German prisoners of war died under his regime, depending on how many famine victims you count, from Gulags, execution, and forced resettlement.

          Mao Zedong – killed unknown tens of millions of Chinese, most of them in public executions and violent clashes.

          Pol Pot – 2 million Cambodians, or as much as 20% of the population, died from execution, disease and starvation.

          So …………… “Good Job” on the little bit of fairy tale spinning……….

          • SuperSanic

            Did those people kill because of their atheism, or their political views, or their lack of empathy? Looks to me like you are the one doing the fairy tale spinning.

          • Amos Moses

            “Did those people kill because of their atheism, or was it their political views, or their lack of empathy, or bad parenting?”

            Worldview (A-Theism) determines political view………

            ” Bill Gates is an atheist, and he has enough money to buy out a whole country. The worst he has done was give us the blue screen of death.”

            Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation — $14,521,748 to Planned Parenthood for abortions ….. so your supposition is wrong …… they contribute to murder ………. as well as their overseas ventures and contributions to IPP and Gates is a eugenicist.

            Bill Gates: World needs fewer people – WND
            Aug 19, 2012 … Joins abortionists for ‘family planning’ conference on eugenics … The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation, according to Natural News.

            Got any more ideas i can burst …………..

          • SuperSanic

            “Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation — $14,521,748 to Planned Parenthood
            for abortions ….. so your supposition is wrong …… they contribute
            to murder ………. as well as their overseas ventures and
            contributions to IPP and Gates is a eugenicist.”

            You first have to prove that it is murder, otherwise you don’t have a leg to stand on. Oh, let me guess, you just ‘believe’ it is murder.

            “Bill Gates: World needs fewer people”

            That is true, because our planet can only have so many people and so many jobs. I believe that means less people need to have babies, and more people need to have abortions. If anything, you just made Bill Gates look like a saint with your post.

            But if you want, we could adopt your philosophy and live in a world full of starvation, and suffering, and inbreeding due to lack of eugenics. I would rather die.

          • Amos Moses

            A-Theism is a worldview……….. all world views determine political views ……..

            “Have you ever met an atheist republican? ”

            RINOs………..

          • SuperSanic

            No true Scotsman fallacy.

          • Amos Moses

            “No true scotsman fallacy” fallacy………….. internet drivel ……… does not mean anything …. accept that it is post modern claptrap for …. “no meaning has any meaning” ……….

          • Cady555

            Joseph Stalin didn’t play putt putt golf, eat s’mores or believe in the tooth fairy. It makes as much sense to blame his power hungry, genocidal actions on aputtputtism, as’moreism or atoothfairyism.

          • Amos Moses

            No , he killed millions of people because of evolution , and he thought there would be no answering for his crimes …………….. so felt that he could treat people as disposable items that inconvenienced him …….. as atheists do …………

      • Amos Moses

        “Show me where this book of absolute morality forbids sex with children.”
        Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

        “Show me where it says it is immoral to have sex with any person without their consent.”
        Deuteronomy 22:25-29
        “But if in the field the man finds the girl who is engaged, and the man forces her and lies with her, then only the man who lies with her shall die. “But you shall do nothing to the girl; there is no sin in the girl worthy of death,

        “Show me where it says owning human beings is immoral.”
        In Exodus 21:16, it is against the law to kidnap a man and making him a slave or to even be found with him is punishable by death.
        21:16 And he that stealeth a man, and selleth him, or if he be found in his hand, he shall surely be put to death.

        “Show me where it says torturing animals is wrong.”
        12:10 A righteous man regardeth the life of his beast: but the tender mercies of the wicked are cruel.
        But we are allowed to eat them………. and there is a biblicaly acceptable manner to do that so that the animals are not unduly treated. It is called Kosher.

        Evil men do evil things. There is no biblical record of Israel ever keeping slaves, although they were taken into slavery many times, Egypt and Babylon. But the thing is, you are comparing USA slavery to biblical slavery and it is not the same thing ……… not even close. Biblical slavery was more akin to todays welfare state………. so if you want to throw stones… understand you should be first in line to be hit ….. if you support welfare for the poor………… Because you support that form of slavery…………

        • Cady555

          Matt 18:6 – most translations say whoever causes a little one to sin…. A person does not sin by being raped. There is nothing in this passage that prohibits the marriage between a 60 year old and a 12 year old. There is nothing here that prohibits sex with children.

          New International Version
          “If anyone causes one of these little ones–those who believe in me–to stumble, it would be better for them to have a large millstone hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea.”

          Deut 22 is about raping a girl who is engaged. It is limited to girls who are engaged. This is about the property crime of reducing the worth of another man’s property, and when to punish the woman as well. There is nothing in this passage that requires consent for sexual intercourse. There is nothing that prohibits the rape of one’s own property – wives or slaves.

          Exodus 21 says you can’t kidnap and enslave other jews. It says nothing about owning other people. In fact, read the entire chapter. The ownership of other humans is quite acceptable.

          Prov 12 talks about the need to care for one’s own livestock. It does not prohibit animal cruelty in general. In fact, Exodus 21, which you quoted, requires that an animal that killed a person is to be stoned to death, which is an extremely painful and cruel death.

          ===
          Every culture has rules of conduct towards members of the group. The bible records ones that were common at the time. Most cultures do not extend the protections of their siciety to outsiders. Murder is wrong, but genocide of native Americans was fine. Family structure and marriage matter to god, but antebellum slaves and now immigrants aren’t entitled to having their families preseved.

          True morality is when we expand “us”, those entitled to the protection of society, to include all humans not just those who are members of our group.

          • Amos Moses

            So, “did God really say” …………. thats all you have ……….. did not work in the garden …. does not work now ….. all those passages determine death on the person doing it …….. so fail on all counts for your feeble attempt ……………..

          • Amos Moses

            “True morality is when we expand “us”, those entitled to the protection of society, to include all humans not just those who are members of our group.”

            So we can include protecting murderers and rapists and child molesters” because, afterall….. they are just “part of us”……………. see how far that gets you ……

          • Cady555

            Oh puhleeze. That isn’t what I said. It is on fact, the opposite.

            Society has an obligation to protect its members from murder. Yet under Jim Crow, the KKK lynched, shot, bombed, beat to death and otherwise murdered hundreds or thousands of blacks with little fear of penalty. Blacks were not extended the protections of society against murder.

            Our society is learning, slowly, to include blacks and other outsiders in the societal protections.

            The OT laws about murder, enslavement, theft, etc., applied only to dealings with jews. Foreigners could be, and were, murdered enslaved, stolen from, with impunity. The OT is no more or less moral than other wisdom of the time.

          • Amos Moses

            So are you a democrat ……………….

          • Cady555

            The point is people claiming to follow christ have been on both sides of all of those questions, plus many more. And they all quote the bible to defend their position.

            The bible is useless as a guide to morality, absolute or otherwise.

          • Amos Moses

            “Yet under Jim Crow, the KKK lynched, shot, bombed, beat to death and otherwise murdered hundreds or thousands of blacks with little fear of penalty.”

            ALL DEMOCRATS……………………….. that is the point ……. and the misuse of a thing, anything, does not mean that is “useless”….. otherwise DEMOCRATS would be …………… (well, let me think on that for a moment)………….

          • Amos Moses

            “Yet under Jim Crow, the KKK lynched, shot, bombed, beat to death and otherwise murdered hundreds or thousands of blacks with little fear of penalty. Blacks were not extended the protections of society against murder.”

            So if you support abortion …………… it does all those things ……… well ….. do you ……

          • Amos Moses

            “The OT laws about murder, enslavement, theft, etc., applied only to dealings with other jews.”

            No evidence …….. that is a lie ……..

          • Cady555

            Read your book.

            Examples
            Exodus 21 2-10 presents rules for Hebrew slaves: male married, male unmarried and female. Male hebrew slaves were set free after a certain number of years, female hebrew slaves could not be sold to foreigners and should be set free under certain conditions.

            Lev 25 44-46 slaves from pagan lands were property for life, and could be inherited along with other property.

            = Different rules for “my group” versus “not my group”.

            Seriously, read your book.

          • Amos Moses

            “The OT is no more or less moral than other wisdom of the time.”

            The bible makes no pretense to hide the sins of the people it talks about … and the VAST majority of those it talks about are almost,,,,,, to a man or woman,,,,, are all part of Christs family ……….. literally, his ancestry ….. so if they had wanted to do so ……….. it ALL could have been covered up ……… BUT IT WAS NOT ……………… that does not discredit the bible …….. it gives it credence ………….. for the HONESTY of it and Christ ………………

    • TheKingOfRhye

      “If there is no morality, then men get to choose which laws are to be lived by”

      Men already choose which laws are to be lived by, don’t they? Even if you’re right and God exists and every word of the Bible is literally true…..men still have the power to reject those laws and live by others. If that wasn’t the case, there would be only be one religion and everyone would be in it.

      • Amos Moses

        If men are making up laws ………… that is just lawlessness ………… most dictators make up their own laws ……………… does not work out to well ……. for them or those they rule ….

        You will either be ruled by God …………. or ruled by men ……….. those are the only choices …

  • james blue

    I support the right of billboard companies to refuse content, be it the atheist content or pro Christian content. We have the right to free speech, not the right to have a platform provided to us or the right to be heard.

    If they have $10,000 to spare to pay a billboard company why don’t they either buy their own billboard or their own mobile billboard truck?

  • BraveNewWhirled

    “For the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not; lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.”

    I find it especially interesting the assertion by Antitheists that the evil actions committed by wicked men seeking power and wealth, are somehow condoned by their Creator. But attempting explanations of history or reasoning with the scoffer is like wrestling with a dunghill; you will be defiled.

  • DLCraig

    Soon untold millions more will weep than ever did laugh at this little jest…

  • Georgie Franklin

    “In the beginning was the word…” Should be changed to “once upon a time…”.

    • https://www.facebook.com/doug.bristow3 Doug Bristow

      why do you mock God?

  • Seen From Space

    The incest and genocide arguments are pretty weak, and it’s a pity it was an atheist group that tried it on. Much more effective would have been to ridicule the whole hubristic absurd grandiose project. You don’t need to be an atheist to find it hilarious. Ham believes the Flood was global and Noah’s family were the sole survivors. In which case you’d expect the genomes of humans and all the ark animals to show an extreme population bottleneck from 4000 years ago. There’s no such bottleneck. The Flood may well have happened and Noah may have been a real person, but the event passed most of the world’s animals and people by. It would have been a local disaster, and Flood Geology – which is sold as explaining the Earth as we see it – remains utter rubbish.