Louisiana Senate Committee Rejects Bill Protecting Pastors Who Decline to Officiate ‘Gay Weddings’

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BATON ROUGE, La. — A Senate committee in Louisiana has rejected a bill that would protect pastors who decline to officiate same-sex “weddings,” asserting that the move would be discriminatory.

“As sexual liberty is elevated, we don’t want religious liberty to take a back seat and be pushed off the cliff,” said Rep. Mike Johnson, R-Bossier City, who introduced the legislation in March.

“A legally recognized church or faith under state or federal tax law or regulation, or a religious organization … may not be required by the state to solemnize a marriage, nor provide access to facilities, services, accommodations, goods, or privileges of the church, faith, or religious organization for a purpose related to the solemnization, formation, or celebration of the marriage, if the actions would be contrary to church doctrine, practice or in violation of the religious beliefs and principles of the clergy, church, or religious organization,” H.B. 597 reads.

The bill only relates to the solemnization and celebration of marital unions, and does not relate to any other aspect.

“Notwithstanding any provision of law to the contrary, nothing contained in this part shall be construed or applied in derogation of Louisiana’s tradition of tolerance of all people,” it states.

The New Orleans Convention and Visitors Bureau expressed opposition to the measure, opining that if the bill were passed into law it could affect tourism in Louisiana.

“The only way to put it is, this is a human and civil rights issue as well as a major economic issue,” said chief executive Stephen Perry, according to the Times-Picayune. “It’s about the brand of Louisiana as a tolerant, open place. In our business, which is a multi-billion-dollar perception business, we’re concerned about the potential negative impacts…”

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He had originally worked with Johnson to tweak the language of the bill, but ultimately decided to oppose the proposal. Johnson says he was not informed that Perry intended to object to H.B. 597 during Tuesday’s hearing.

“We worked with Mike in the beginning and we felt that it would help cure some of the perception issues. As it turns out, it did not,” Perry said. “As things have become hypersensitive, and particularly in the national business environment, we realized the core part of the bill did … really did absolutely nothing. So we were very concerned about the brand of Louisiana.”

The two Democrats who voted against the bill also asserted that it would allow churches to decline to marry interracial couples. Johnson said that concern was unfounded.

“The whole purpose of the bill was to prevent the state from taking any adverse action against a member of the clergy, church or religious organization merely for abiding by their sincerely held religious beliefs,” he stated. “I’m not aware of any religious tradition in this state that is opposed to interracial marriage. I certainly don’t know any clergy who would refuse to do that.”

Sen. J.P. Morrell, D-New Orleans, opined that the legislation is unnecessary.

“You have the Religious Freedom Act, which already protects this broadly,” he stated. “We’ve got a homeowner afraid of a robber. You’ve armed him with a knife and a gun, and now we’re going to give him a bazooka.”

But Johnson remarked that he believes homosexual advocacy groups will eventually seek to force clergy to officiate at same-sex ceremonies, finding declination to be an act of discrimination.

“They’ll be coming after ya’ll; it’s just a matter of time,” he warned after the bill was voted down 3-2.


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  • Emmanuel

    For all you, pastors are fine and they will not be forced, supporters, here you have it. Pastors will be forced. The churches will be forced. I hope I’m reading this wrong.

    • StanW

      This has been the agenda all along. They promise they won’t force anyone to go against their religion, if only we will let gay marriage become the law. Now that it is the law, YOU MUST OBEY!!!!

      • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

        They lied to the Christians and they will continue to lie.

        • StanW

          Of course they lied. If they told the truth about their agenda, it would never pass.

          • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

            One day their lies will come back and bite them.Most likely on the day they face the Lord. An eternal bite that won’t let go.

      • TheBottomline4This

        Gays are bigoted, intolerant, foolish bullies. It’s never been about what they claim it has, it’s about forcing and then if you refuse suing and ruining your life. They are so hate filled. Not all of them, but most. Believe it or not, there are some gays who don’t support this stuff and just want to live their lives…..I respect them.

        • Theodore Fenton

          I likewise know some Christians who don’t support bigotry and intolerance and just want to live their lives.

          • TheBottomline4This

            What is bigotry and intolerance to you?

          • Theodore Fenton

            Judging from our interaction so far, I’d say it’s the exact opposite of whatever it is to you.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Didn’t think you would answer. You are the bigot and the intolerant one when it comes to Truth. Too bad satan has you so deceived.

          • Theodore Fenton

            I gave you a simple and clear answer. And since you are the guardian of “Truth,” I don’t stand a chance.

          • TheBottomline4This

            I’m not the guardian of Truth…God is.

          • Theodore Fenton

            It’s pretty easy to get the two of you confused.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Since you know neither of us, I’m sure.

          • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

            Amen.

          • Slidellman4life

            What a dumb question to ask that homotroll.

            You are guilty of intolerance and bigotry if you disagree with any part of the LGBTQW agenda.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Truthophobes are an odd bunch.

          • Jack Douglas

            Especially in this day and age, where it is hard for one to show more truthophobic one is to all the others with all the competition out there.

        • NGN2

          The same can be said for the faux xtians who post here.

          • TheBottomline4This

            True of Gal5. Why are you on a Christian site other than to Troll? When we come to a Liberal site our opinion doesn’t change anyone’s mind, you won’t change anyone’s here.

          • NGN2

            Not trying to change your mind on feeble o ne.

          • TheBottomline4This

            “…on feeble o ne.”
            LOL

    • Gal 5:22-23

      You are reading it wrong – no one can be forced to perform a religious rite of any kind in the US.

  • ComeOnPeople!

    He states… “I’m not aware of any religious tradition in this state that is opposed to interracial marriage. I certainly don’t know any clergy who would refuse to do that.”

    I personally know of some huge churches in Louisiana that would never agree to preform same sex weddings. So now the government speaks for the people and the people no longer have a vote. PLEASE!!! Send it out to the people of Louisiana and ask the people what they want. This country is quickly becoming a country where Government rules the people. They are our paid servants!!! That means they are to do what we say but they no longer serve but rule and that me friends makes you slaves not free men. Blacks and Whites in Louisiana and all over America need to stop listening to all their propaganda and come together as Americans in unity and stop this insanity!

    • Jalapeno

      They’re already protected. Why are you acting like they’re taking away their rights?

      • Bella64

        just because a law is on the books does not mean that it wont be changed..and it also DOES NOT mean that it is a reality..I mean, we women are suppose to be paid equally to men!

        • Jalapeno

          No, it doesn’t mean that.

          That’s not a reason to pre emptiness complain about it though. There is no reason to believe that it will change.

          • Bella64

            I am not one to believe in conspiracy theories at all..But, I am sorry, I do see a day dawning, whether its born out of the fight of the LGBT community or other entities, who will be going after clergy…Maybe you do not, and that is okay..But the winds of change are blowin’, and it AINT all good for the The Church!

          • Jalapeno

            People have been saying that for years, and there’s still nothing except paranoia and a desire to be the victim.

          • Bella64

            I realize that!..I have HEARD, and LIVED with those people all of my life….But, I have learned not to throw the baby out with the wash water..I have learned not to allow the wind to blow through…I also have learned that many of the things that has been foretold in Gods Living Word are coming into existence.

            I too scoffed at the the things that I once heard from the pulpit, my parents, and read in Gods HOLY Word..Out of my perceived superior intellect, I saw them as ignorant, and rolled my eyes in their faces, as they told me of the events that I would soon see….They were the enlightened .

          • Jalapeno

            Okay, so it’s based on nothing except victim mentality and paranoia.

          • Bella64

            We desire to BE THE VICTIM?..REALLY?..Surely ye jest?

          • Jalapeno

            People who play the victim card when nothing is even close to happening typically enjoy playing the part.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Gays whining and acting like they were victimized by not being able to marry has brought on the false sense that they are in a real marriage by a ridiculous law, when that isn’t the case.
            It’s like the trans whining they are victimized by not being allowed to use what bathroom they “feel” they should be able to…so now we have this ridiculous bathroom bill.
            Gays and now trans are the ones playing the victims.

          • Jalapeno

            Yep, paranoia about losing tested protections is exactly the same as not being able to marry the person you love.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Marriage is ONLY between a man and woman.
            Gay love is perverted, just like adultery is perverted and child predators love toward children is perverted.
            Perverted is characterized by sexually abnormal and unacceptable practices or tendencies.
            The above mentioned sex choices are perverted and abnormal. Now I know lately it is seeming to be normalized by the agendas that push for it, but none of that change the Truth of the matter.

          • Jalapeno

            Sure sure. Your distaste for it means that it’s equivalent.

          • TheBottomline4This

            The Truth will prevail and win. Any “victories” they gain are only temporary. Evil is eventually dealt with if not turned from. God will have final say and for those who don’t turn from the evil, it will be hot where they end up for all eternity.

          • Jalapeno

            Okay, so there’s nothing to whine about. Glad we agree.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Sweetie, we are very far from agreeing. I am right, you are wrong.

          • Jalapeno

            Cute.

            Here I thought you were understanding that there’s not actually anything putting your religious freedom at risk.

          • Bella64

            In light of current events, if you do not see anything EVEN CLOSE TO HAPPENING, well, I can not help you..because YOU have your eyes closed, and your ears will not hear..maybe this is because you need to protect yourself, or maybe its because you have hardened your heart..I do not know you!..So, I am not going to continue to go back and forth with you…But, I will pray for the wall that you have built between you and God, will be removed… God Bless YOU!

          • Jalapeno

            What exactly do you think is happening?

            Don’t worry, I don’t expect you to actually have an answer.

          • Bella64

            Correct, because I am not going to answer a disingenuous question.

          • Jalapeno

            .. Or because you know nothing is actually happening.

          • Bella64

            No, not at all!..Have you been watching the news?..Are you really going to try and use that question..I mean it is so so obvious, that it is ridiculous to answer..Um lets see, was there a law in existence in the USA that made it mandatory for a man to use a ladies bathroom..This violates my right as a woman..How can you even believe your own lies?

          • Jalapeno

            What law do you think that was exactly?

          • TheBottomline4This

            I know some women who are going to have their husband stand inside the bathroom…out of the way, on his phone…minding his own business…while his lady goes safely to the bathroom. If anyone questions him, he will say why are you asking or something to that effect.

          • Bella64

            When this hit, I will not be using public facilities!..Lord knows, we all have caught the eye of women peering the cracks of our bathroom doors

          • Jack Douglas

            Funny thing, sometimes, I don’t feel comfortable in the men’s room! It is usually when some guy walks in there and stares at people. Not that I am afraid, mind you. Its just that I have to act like a rabid gorilla just to ensure the safety of everyone involved. Really! I hate doing that. I prefer to act civilized….

          • Bella64

            I think that is good idea..Its a great way to get people to see what can and will eventually happen that we cant have a man in a restroom with a lady!..It’s absurd that men are just going to be allowed to hang out in the ladies restroom, and like the husbands of your friends, immoral men will be allowed to enter and take pics if they choose..I know they have UNISEX barrooms in other part of the US, and the other parts of the world, but I have NEVER used one, been in one, nor will I ever..I would just die!hahahahaha but seriously

          • TheBottomline4This

            Those who don’t see it coming are either lying or in denial.

          • Bella64

            That is correct!..I mean you can not deny it, even LGBT admits that!

          • Bella64

            It is like Martin Luther saying that he was not trying to make people of color allowed to drink from the same fountain, and civil rights!

          • NGN2

            Or they just don’t latch on to your histrionic rants.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Nor your perverted rants.

          • NGN2

            How sweet of you to say….awwwwwwww

      • ComeOnPeople!

        It’s called the ripple effect. You only see the here and now but there is always a ripple effect down the road . Good and bad choices made effect the future whether you see it now or not.

        • Jalapeno

          Okay, so.. Based on nothing.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            The ripple effect is actually proven. It’s called life. If you have not experienced any ripple effect then you have been locked in a box somewhere. Your actions and those of others will have an effect not only on the here and now but later on down the road.

          • Jalapeno

            No.. What you’re doing is just a blind slippery slope fallacy.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            No what I’m trying to explain to the blind is that choices you make today in life will effect your life further on down the road. And should that blind man step on a slippery slope…. YEP on down he will go. Cause and effect, ripple effect… call it whatever you like but laws made today will effect the society either to the good or the bad and lead to more good or bad laws being accepted.

          • Jalapeno

            Yes, laws effect society.

            Changing what laws you pass today because you don’t like what might happen in the future doesn’t work unless you have actual precedence though.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            The fact still remains that every law whether a good law or a bad one passed will have a ripple effect… either to the good or to the bad.

          • Jalapeno

            The fact remains that it isn’t reason enough to dictate what laws we set now.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            That my friend shows others that you only care for the here and now and have no regard for future generations. I for one have Grand children of which every law passed will effect… whether to their good or to their harm. So yes their is ample reason to support or to protest laws being made today.

          • Jalapeno

            No..it means that I understand how slippery slopes work.

    • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

      Supposedly, the US govt are public servants. Problem is, the power-crazy liberal Blue States hv hijacked the US govt, in order to continue their bullying of the conservative Red States since the 1861 Civil War. To do this, the liberal Blue States hv been pandering for the votes of Blacks, Hispanics, LGBTQs/atheists/secularists, feminists, unions, lazy n irresponsible poor, environmentalists, etc, since the 1960s. Hence, we hv the 1964 Civil Rights Act, Voter Rights Act., abolishing of sodomy laws, Roe vs Wade, 1986 Dream Act, etc.
      ……. So, now the liberals-dominated US govt hv become public bullies of all those who oppose their liberal political agendas, eg conservative Christians, American patriots, wealthy folks, local police force, Border Patrol officers, etc

  • Theodore Fenton

    Sen. Morrell is absolutely correct. This bill is unnecessary because of the so-called “Religious Freedom Act.”

    • Jack Douglas

      Tell that to the bakeries that shut down because of fines and legal costs….

      • Jalapeno

        Those are not churches… It’s a business.

        • Jack Douglas

          There was a time in which Canada allowed freedom of religion, but right now, they are passing a bill that makes anyone not recognize gender identification a jail sentence. Believe me. The time is coming in America where Christianity will no longer exist (Amos 8:10-12).

          • Jalapeno

            We aren’t Canada.

            Businesses and churches have different types of protections. This is a slippery slope based on nothing.

      • Theodore Fenton

        Any bakeries that shut down did so voluntarily. It’s very telling that the number of so-called Christian-owned businesses that have discriminated against gay couples can be counted on the fingers of one hand. The majority of Christian-owned businesses obviously do not favor anti-gay discrimination.

        • TheBottomline4This

          “did so voluntarily” LOL. You’re such a foolish moron. Yes I called you a moron, you know like your buddy Todd D. did above and you said “amen to that to his comment, which included calling most of those here he is intolerant towards because we don’t agree with the perversion you and he practice.

  • Gal 5:22-23

    No one can be forced to perform a religious ritual of any kind be it blessing, baptism, marriage or last rites. Has never happened in the US, Canada, Europe, or any other nation with freedom of religion (don’t know about Islamic countries).

    It is unnecessary legislation, as the article notes even pastors who refuse to perform mixed racial marriages have legal coverage.

    • Jeffrey Lankford

      If you believe that then your head is in the sand………..it’s coming and if you don’t comply you will be in violation of discriminatory laws and lose tax exempt status or worse….

      • Gal 5:22-23

        No, my head is not in the sand. Catholics can’t make a priest marry them if they have been civilly divorced either. No one can be required to perform a religious rite – worrying that somehow they can be after 200+ years of legal history is just paranoia.

        • Jeffrey Lankford

          dream on

          • Gal 5:22-23

            People love to pretend they are being persecuted. Hasn’t happened anywhere even in nations without a first amendment level of religious protection. Worrying about it happening here before these places is just self-indulgent pity party behavior.

          • Slidellman4life

            Wow. Just…wow.

            This has to be a troll post. Gotta be.

          • Gal 5:22-23

            Yes, one line replies that have nothing to do with the topic at hand are one of the classic examples of a troll post.

          • Slidellman4life

            Okay. Now it has become obvious you are trolling. Only a complete horse’s tuchis would make such an asinine statement as yours. You are now flagged.

          • Gal 5:22-23

            Since you are the one driven to talk about the person commenting and not the comments – standard troll behavior – I will do the same.

          • NGN2

            Must be a reincarnation of matty mason. Banned from multiple sites due to his wonderful xtian attitude. Too funny

          • Slidellman4life

            Project much?

        • Jack Douglas

          No one can be required to perform a religious rite – worrying that somehow they can be after 200+ years of legal history is just paranoia.

          And yet, here we are. I am sure this is comforting to those who have their own bakeries shut down because of this “religious rite,” because they couldn’t afford the fines incurred and the legal costs….

          • TheBottomline4This

            Gal5 isn’t a Christian. The person claims to be, but has shown they are not.

          • NGN2

            The exact same can be said for you.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Not at all buddy.

          • NGN2

            Should change name to wannabe xtian. The proof is in your posts.

          • TheBottomline4This

            You’re Trolling a Christian site, lol.

          • Gal 5:22-23

            No, no one asked any bakery to perform a religious rite, and the business wouldn’t be making a offer to the public with a right to religious freedom if they could only serve people of certain beliefs.

            A bakery is not a minister, or pastor, and has never been asked to perform a religious rite.

          • Jack Douglas

            They might not have performed it, but they were asked to participate in it. Sounds like a loss of religious freedom to me. Suppose I were to have an event and hired a Hindu establishment to cater there. Would I force them to make beef steaks or hamburgers? Maybe I could — because that is a religious exemption for them and religion means nothing in the secularized world we live in. This could be played in many different ways. Think about it. There is a reason why there have always been exemptions to these laws and now there is a reason why those laws are being taken away and replaced with something else.

          • Gal 5:22-23

            no I know of no case where any bakery was asked of a part of a marriage rite. I bet you are confusing that with the wedding reception after the marriage.

            and if the bakery can’t sell wedding cakes to the public respecting their right to religious freedom they are free to not offer such things to the public at all.

            and your analogy is flawed – this would be like hiring a Hindu and having them refuse to serve you because of your beliefs even though you want to buy the exact same foods a Hindu would be able to order.

            Religious freedom doesn’t mean religious discrimination of others.

          • Jack Douglas

            Gal, you said:

            “this would be like hiring a Hindu and having them refuse to serve you because of your beliefs even though you want to buy the exact same foods a Hindu would be able to order.”

            And this is different from a Christian baker, how?

            What is more, according to your argument, if a minister offers his services to the public as a “wedding officiant” then how is that minister protected from these so-called “discrimination” laws? Perhaps it would suit progressives if Christians stayed out of the wedding industry all together? That sounds discriminatory to me — against Christians….

          • Gal 5:22-23

            How is it different? it isn’t – both the Hindu- and Christian-owned bakeries are committing religious discrimination against the customer.

            The minister is an individual and doesn’t have to perform any religious rite they don’t want to. Point of fact any baker at a business can request religious accommodation too, it is the business with the obligation to not religiously discriminate not any particular employee. But since the real goal is to make religious discrimination of the public legal no one bothers to go that route.

          • NGN2

            They were asked to bake a cake. Nothing more

          • TheBottomline4This

            Bake a cake for a gay person is fine, but not a gay “wedding”.

          • NGN2

            Obviously it is according to public accommodation laws and a judiciary that is far beyond your mental capabilities

          • Jack Douglas

            A minister was asked to perform a wedding ceremony. Nothing more.

          • NGN2

            Good grief. They violated public accommodation laws. They deserved what they got.

          • TheBottomline4This

            And if you don’t wise up, you’ll deserve what you get when God deals with you.

          • NGN2

            Which God as there are thousands?

          • Jack Douglas

            Translated:

            Good grief. Ministers violated public accommodation laws. They deserved what they got.

      • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

        I believe it will be worse…….

        • Jeffrey Lankford

          you’re probably right especially if Hillary wins in November

          • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

            I hope she won’t.

      • Carlo

        No, her head is not in the sand…

  • Michael C

    Pastors and churches are already free to refuse to officiate any wedding ceremony they please as per the U.S. Constitution.

    The two Democrats who voted against the bill also asserted that it would allow churches to decline to marry interracial couples.

    Pastors and churches are already free to refuse to officiate wedding ceremonies for interracial couples as per the U.S. Constitution.

    • Jack Douglas

      If these protections are already there, then why fight against it?

      • Michael C

        Maybe we should pass every law multiple times just for fun. Yay small government!

        • Jack Douglas

          We pretty much do that anyway…

  • marg

    My husband is a pastor and our church changed their by laws to protect him and the church itself from being put in this situation. He will ONLY perform weddings for those who are members (in good standing) of the church who have also done marriage counseling with him. The church also will not allow anyone to use the church for a wedding that are not members of the church. If push comes to shove, he will ONLY do “spiritual” weddings for Christians without a wedding licence. Thus eliminating the state altogether in our church weddings. It is getting to the point where pastors will refuse to do any legal weddings at all anymore. It is sad that we have come to this situation in this country.

    • Jeffrey Lankford

      What if two people of the same sex want to join your church? What if they pay their tithes and are in good standing with the church? What if they ask your husband to marry them? What will you do then?

      • TheBottomline4This

        They would not be in good standing given they would be in a relationship the Lord does not bless.
        Just like if a divorced adulterer came to him wanting to now marry the woman that he had the affair with…he wouldn’t be in good standing either.

      • Slidellman4life

        There would be only one of two reasons for a same-sex couple to go into a Christian Church:

        1) They have a hunger for the Word of God

        2) They want to pick a fight.

        Time and scrutiny would make the intent clear.

        • james blue

          Adulterers go to Christian churches, in fact many times the pastor is an adulterer, Do they only go for the same two reasons?

          • Slidellman4life

            1) How do you know this?

            2) What’s your point?

          • james blue

            1) There are plenty of divorcees in churches and unless you live under a rock you must have read about pastors having affairs.

            2) If your point was that homosexuals wouldn’t go to a Christian church because they are sinners then you can’t ignore the fact that heterosexual sinners who go to Christian churches. Is sin less when heterosexuals do it?

          • Slidellman4life

            There are plenty of divorcees in churches

            1) Again, how do you know this? Did you somehow manage to obtain omniscience?

            2) Where does it say divorce is prohibited, or that divorcees can’t come to church?

            If your point was that homosexuals wouldn’t go to a Christian church because they are sinners

            That isn’t what I said. My point is self-evident. It pays to enrich your reading comprehension skills.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Usually, adulterers r not welcome to Church n adulterous pastors r sacked from Church, as per 1COR.5.

          • james blue

            What church do you go to?

          • TheBottomline4This

            If for example, someone was adulterous once and repented and is accountable, they are welcome. If they are continuing in adultery, they are not welcome.

          • Florenca Mcdowell

            God knows his sheep. Yes sometimes so called pastors do falter. WE ALL FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY O GOD.
            JESUS SAID HE WILL FORGIVE IF YOU SIN NO MORE.

        • https://catchinghellblog.wordpress.com/ Rev. Gerald Palmer, MSW

          How about 3. There church is welcoming and affirming and that couple is a loving part of that congregation. So 1 and 3.

          • Slidellman4life

            And if that church is affirming a behavior specifically condemned in the Bible, it isn’t a Christian church, so your #3 does not apply.

          • https://catchinghellblog.wordpress.com/ Rev. Gerald Palmer, MSW

            The scriptures used to condemn the LGBT community are used out of context. So 3 still stands.

          • Slidellman4life

            You are a liar. Period.

          • https://catchinghellblog.wordpress.com/ Rev. Gerald Palmer, MSW

            If that helps you sleep at night.

          • https://catchinghellblog.wordpress.com/ Rev. Gerald Palmer, MSW

            Wouldn’t our religion’s namesake decide what’s Christian and what’s not?

          • Florenca Mcdowell

            Welcoming and Affirming is a biking sign that Satan puts up,
            wink, wink JUST PUT MONEY IN THE PLATE . If you have a church and are welcoming and affirming than you are AGAINST WHAT THE BIBLE CLEARLY STATES and then you are welcoming Satan into your church.

      • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

        Usually, the LGBTQs r not welcome to Church. Usually, LGBTQs r atheists n do not go to Church.

        • TheBottomline4This

          Our Pastor welcomes any lgbtxyz’s if they come in like anyone else and don’t cause any trouble. If they do, the men who are designated will lead them out and we will continue on.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            That’s not right, according to the Word of God at 1COR.5:1-13. An incest-sinner can also be trouble-free in Church.

          • Bertha Warren

            Please go back and read those verses again. Do not add on write the verses, like in Bible.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Pls see my reply to Midlandr.

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            I don’t think your comprehension circuits are working.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            R u saying it is right for a pastor or Church to WELCOME LGBTQs.?

          • Florenca Mcdowell

            NO you must go to church to be close to God not sexual perversions. You must read the Bible and repent that you think it is normal to lay man with man or women with women. God does Not condone sex outside of marriage by anyone including a man and woman

          • Florenca Mcdowell

            Read that again 1 Cor5:10for we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, that every one may receive judgment for the things done in his body, whether it be good or bad. lgbt must repent and sin no more. Rev.21.8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, the vile, the murders, and the SEXUALLY IMMORAL, the idolaters and all liars—their place will be in the fiery lake of burning sulfur. God makes it clear as to what he accepts a right and moral and what he does not accept into heaven but sends to the lake of fire.

      • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

        In an orthodox church, tithes are an offering to support God’s work through the church. A same sex couple are by definition practicing, thus actively sinning homosexuals, thus they cannot be in good standing. Your straw man isn’t even straw, just blowing sand. Her husband would tell them no.

        • Bob Johnson

          Or, like the Boy Scots of America, the church will have decide if they want the $10K a year and evolve their views on homosexuality or let the same-sex couple go (taking the money) to one of the more liberal Christian churches.

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            No, many churches no longer host the BSA if the local council has submitted to the national organizations blasphemy.

          • Bob Johnson

            Yes. That is just what I said. If the Boy Scouts wanted the corporate money, they had to meet the corporate rules concerning discrimination. The Boy Scouts changed their policies in order to continue financing the scouting activities.

            Each church will be in the same bind. Accept the sinner and the tithe or turn them and their money away. Or course many churches already accept homosexuals.

            Many people will use the no true Scotsman ploy to say these are not real churches, however, the test of a Christian is belief in Christ, not these other issues.

      • ShemSilber

        Whatever they would do about that, I’ll tell you what Yahuwah Almighty will do about that. He has no pleasure in the death of the wicked (Ezekiel chapters 18 and 33, and the fact that He sent the Master Yahushua [Lord Jesus] to be the atonement for our sins so that we could live and not die the second death), but that we should all turn from our wickedness and live. If we excuse ourselves from the free gift of salvation by refusing to repent of certain practices (1Corinthians 6:9-11), that is our choice, and such will die the second death in the Lake of Fire, never to rise again.
        What a dirty rotten shame, when it could have been so much better for them–eternal life in peace and joy and true productivity beyond our wildest imagination. Think about it.

      • Florenca Mcdowell

        The answer is no. It is in the Bible one man One woman. Jeff your cutey post DOES NOT Trump God’s written word. Sad to see people like you who follow Satan

        • Jeffrey Lankford

          For your information Florenca I don’t follow satan but Jesus Christ. I believe in one man and one woman marriage. You are a self righteous Pharisee. I was asking a question about what would they do when the time comes to either perform same sex marriage or lose your church or go to jail. It’s coming…..but you should save your judgmental hypocrisy for someone else.

    • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

      That is GREAT 🙂

    • Gal 5:22-23

      No change of the bylaws needed – my husband’s a pastor and he has refused to perform marriages for couples simply because he doesn’t think they are ready for it after the pre-ceremony counseling sessions.

      No one can be forced to perform any religious rite.

    • Bella64

      Praise God for “Spiritual Weddings”

    • ShemSilber

      Good for your husband and blessings from on High! The government has no business in the first place inserting itself into any marriage. They didn’t create marriage, but they sure enough want to profiteer off it, charging exorbitant fees for their “permission” for people to be married, and charging more for divorce proceedings, too, while they laugh up their sleeves.

      Besides that, same-sex marriage and the whole LGBTQ BLOTCH on our country is not about “human rights” at all, but is a pack of lies from the people who are pushing for population reduction, as is the holocaust that is being committed against our unborn babies, also. They are tools of the one we call satan the devil, who comes only to steal, to kill and to destroy (John 10:10).

      May Yahuwah of Hosts save us from these pathological liars, in the Name of our Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus), omein!

  • TheBottomline4This

    Our Church has put measures in place so they don’t have to do gay “weddings”…ever 🙂 There are several ways to avoid doing them.

    • Chip01

      Who would want to. You seem so bitter and angry.

      • TheBottomline4This

        No. that would be you Truthophobe.

        • NGN2

          Truthphobe? LOL!

          • TheBottomline4This

            Learn to spell it dude. You have homophobe, transphobe.
            Yes, Truthophobe fits perfectly.

          • NGN2

            For the uneducated. …..

          • TheBottomline4This

            That would be you foolish Troll.

          • NGN2

            So sweet of you to say

        • Chip01

          Giving yourself an up vote is pretty sad.

  • Theodore Fenton

    These “protections” for “pastors” are a solution in search of a problem. My husband and I were married by the minister of our local Unitarian Universalist church. We had neither the desire nor the inclination to seek out a “traditional” fundamentalist Christian “pastor.”

    • TheBottomline4This

      You are not married.
      That church is one of the false ones.

      • Theodore Fenton

        Don’t be silly. Of course we’re married.

        No such thing as a “false” church.

        • TheBottomline4This

          You are not married.
          That church is one of the false ones.

          • Theodore Fenton

            You’re misinformed.

          • TheBottomline4This

            You’re deceived.

          • Theodore Fenton

            Nope, I’m happily married.

          • TheBottomline4This

            You are not married.

          • Theodore Fenton

            Denial is the refusal to accept reality or fact, acting as if an event, thought or feeling did not exist. It is considered one of the most primitive of the defense mechanisms because it is characteristic of early childhood development. Many people use denial in their everyday lives to avoid dealing with areas of their life they don’t wish to admit. For instance, a person who is a functioning alcoholic will often simply deny they have a drinking problem, pointing to how well they function in their job and relationships. Hopefully, this will provide some insight into your problem.

          • TheBottomline4This

            LOL. You are not married. No matter what kind of twist you try to use Theo, you are not married. Sure you’re shacking up with a guy and in a relationship that is an abomination, but you are not married. Now I know you think you are according to the world’s compromise to give you a piece of paper that says you are “married”, but what you have is not a real marriage. You have made a sinful sexual choice to sleep with men and you are shacking up with one. You are deceived and satan is pleased. Your psychological issues from your childhood led you to your sinful sex choice. Sorry your dad or Mom or some other thing you are not expected to share caused you to take this path.

          • Theodore Fenton

            I highly recommend counseling. You have allowed jealousy and envy to get the best of you. Ever heard of the dog in the manger?

          • TheBottomline4This

            Why do you think I need counseling? Oh wait, you are a Truthophobe. Nice try gay one. Enjoy the heat 🙂

          • NGN2

            Funny how faux xtians seem to get a kick out of wishing eternal suffering on others. …..

          • TheBottomline4This

            God will deal with you better than any of us can 🙂

          • Theodore Fenton

            In that case, you can mind your own business and let your deity handle it.

          • TheBottomline4This

            He doesn’t teach that in the Bible buddy. So no. Your perversion is your business in your bedroom. Once you all brought it out into the public sphere…nope. It is now our business.

          • Theodore Fenton

            In time, you’ll get used to it.

          • TheBottomline4This

            If you don’t change your ways, in time God will put you in your place and it will be hot…and you won’t ever get used to it.

          • Theodore Fenton

            Eternal suffering in Hell with my spouse or eternal suffering in Paradise with you? That’s an easy one.

          • TheBottomline4This

            You don’t have a spouse.

            Enjoy the heat:)

          • Theodore Fenton

            I have a spouse.

          • TheBottomline4This

            You don’t have spouse or a marriage.
            satan has you blinded in homosexuality and many other things.

          • Theodore Fenton

            You’re a hoot. You don’t believe I have a spouse, yet you believe in the boogeyman.

          • TheBottomline4This

            You’re delusional…there is no boogeyman. Not sure why you cling to something your mommy and daddy said to you years ago.
            You’re the hoot, thinking you shacking up with another gay guy is a marriage. Not.

          • Bob Johnson

            And Hell has, supposedly, all the great musicians.

          • NGN2

            Not the least bit worried.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Not now…true, but you will be one day 🙂

          • Theodore Fenton

            Your terroristic threats don’t frighten me.

          • TheBottomline4This

            lol, no “terrorism threats” hyper one.

          • NGN2

            Congratulations!

          • Theodore Fenton

            Thank you!

      • Chip01

        LOL One of the false ones?

        Tell us, what’s the difference in your belief of a your God, and a 5 yo belief in the Easter Bunny?

        Both have zero proof that either fairytale is real.

        • TheBottomline4This

          Where’s YOUR proof God doesn’t exist???

          • NGN2

            None needed. If he’s out there, he sure hasn’t done anyone any favors lately

          • TheBottomline4This

            You’re stupid, foolish and a Troll.

          • Chip01

            That’s stupid comment

            Where’s your proof the Easter Bunny doesn’t exist?

      • NGN2

        In the eyes of the law, they are married

        • TheBottomline4This

          They are not married.

          • Theodore Fenton

            We’re very married.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Not at all, looney Theo.

          • NGN2

            Opinions vary

          • TheBottomline4This

            But there is only one Truth.
            They are not married.

  • Jack Douglas

    The same folks who advocate for “Marriage Equality” also want to bring Islamic refugees into the country. Ummm. Does anyone else see a problem here, or am I the only one?

    • http://biblewordstudy.org Adam in Christ

      A double-minded man is unstable in all of his ways – James 1:8.

      • Bella64

        Hallelujah!!..my step father use to remind me of this often…Sometimes we just gotta get our mind right!

      • Balerion

        Right-wing “Christians” bleating about the “sanctity of life” are about as double-minded as you can get.

        • http://biblewordstudy.org Adam in Christ

          Lol, I’m not right-wing.

          Try another narrative.

    • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

      You are not the only one. Many of us see the problem. Others are too blind to see.

    • TheBottomline4This

      You’re not the only one. Some of the same ones want gun control too in part “protect the children”, but are pro choice. That’s a double standard.

    • NGN2

      Really? I don’t support the influx at all. There goes your argument

  • Jalapeno

    The article is pretending like this is just further protection for churches, but it’s not. Churches don’t need more protections, but this bill tried to expand it to include “religious organizations” or even connected to one. Vagueness in laws doesn’t tend to do well.

  • james blue

    This new proposed law is not needed. Churches can refuse to marry anyone they wish.

    They can refuse to marry non members, people who haven’t attended enough services, divorced people, people who are not virgins, people of different faiths….

  • Bella64

    Being from Louisiana this is so disturbing!!.I love everyine, but I am so tired of Louisiana being known for only it’s political corruption and the disgusting sin that takes place in The French Quater!!… Louisiana is filled with wonderful, hardworking, honest, family oriented people..Not to mention that we are the best cooks, and the warmest people of any place in the world!!!..And we Love Jesus in Louisiana!!

    I am so hurt by this. I never thought that I would see a day where the pastor’s of MY CHURCH here in Louisiana (,shout out to Healing Place Church!!)would be faced with this…I promise Y’all, my pastor will go to jail!!.

    Furthermore, hahahahahahahhahahhahahaha @” It’s about the brand of Louisiana as a tolerant, open place” REALLY!!…PLEASE!!!..?JESUS, SAVE US NOW, OH GOD!!!

    • Jalapeno

      … Why exactly do you think your pastor would go to jail for?

      They’re protected under the law, the only difference this bill would have made is to protect businesses as well as churches.

      • Jack Douglas

        Not a bad bill actually. According to the logic here, not only would it protect Christian bakers, but it would also protect Hindu, Muslim — even Jewish establishments from ever doing anything that is against their religious sensitivities.

        • Jalapeno

          Yeah, screw the civil rights act.

          • Jack Douglas

            If you say so. I personally feel that forcing a Hindu cater to prepare beef steaks to be a bit arrogant, but hey! All in the name of civil rights, right?

          • Jalapeno

            I’m not sure if you’re aware of this, but… That’s not how the law works at all.

          • Jack Douglas

            Why not? Isn’t that how religious exemptions work? It is against the religious sensitivities of a Hindu to cook beef, which is why they don’t serve it.

          • Jalapeno

            And.. They’d be protected against having to cook beef.

          • Jack Douglas

            Oh, I see the problem now. The problem isn’t with religious exemptions. It is against Christianity in general. Christianity — the champions of equal rights everywhere, because no where else will anyone find human rights protected as they are in Christian dominated lands — is under attack. Thanks for informing me.

          • Jalapeno

            No.

            If a Christian is against serving shrimp, they can refuse to serve shrimp.

            If a Muslim does not want to sell books to women, they cannot do that.

          • Jack Douglas

            Are you sure about Muslims not selling books to women? Because Muslims are under certain protections….

          • Jalapeno

            If a Muslim, American bookshop owner tried to sell books only to men, he would be breaking the law.

          • Jack Douglas

            I’ll have to check on that. You could be right.

          • Jalapeno

            I get the feeling you don’t even know how discrimination laws work. Here’s a hint.

            You can refuse to provide a service.

            You cannot refuse to provide a service because of a person belonging to, or appearing to belong to, a certain class.

          • Jack Douglas

            Then what is to keep a minister from refusing to do a wedding ceremony for a same sex couple?

          • Jalapeno

            The fact that it’s not a business.

            Businesses do not have the protections that churches do.

          • Jack Douglas

            That could very easily change.

          • Jalapeno

            Sure, and we could also suddenly make it so Christianity is the official religion and teach bible studies instead of science.

            In the mean time though, we can deal in realities, like the difference between churches and business.

          • Jack Douglas

            So, tell me — what is the difference between churches and businesses and how the “discrimination” laws works against one but not the other, while we are dealing with civil rights here….

          • Jalapeno

            … Seriously? They’re literally different types of organizations, governed by different laws. There are protections that explicitly only apply to churches (and other similar organizations).

          • Jack Douglas

            Yes. I know. What I don’t know is how much you know about this…

          • Jalapeno

            Apparently more than you.

            Not saying much.

          • Jack Douglas

            🙂

          • Jack Douglas

            Let me help you out here. It is true that there are several different types of business organizations, such as self-proprietor, general partnerships, limited liability companies, corporations, etc, etc. These differ in how liable they can become and taxation. Speaking of taxation, there are some organizations that are completely protected from taxes and these would include churches/religious organizations. However, there are laws that govern how these organizations function.

            Clergy members do have certain protections — such as, they can keep things confidential in matters governing “confessions.” However, some judges have overruled those protections, for example, a priest of the Catholic Church could do some time for “contempt of court” because they refuse to disclose to court officials what was said during confession, or even if there was a confession or not. These laws are further complicated by statutory law that make clergy “mandated reporters.” If a judge feels that a clergy member is not reporting a future (or immediate) crime against someone (particularly an elderly person or a child), that minister could face some legal consequences.

            All of this is to show that just because a church is a church, that does not mean that they are exempt from all the law. Does not mean that they are exempt from any law — because at any given moment of time — the church in question could lose all the protections given to it if the government has any reason to believe something is not right….

          • Jalapeno

            Of course a church isnt exempt from the law. No one should expect any different.

            They’re still protected. You’re just whining about things when you don’t have any evidence to claim it would happen.

          • Jack Douglas

            You’re just whining about things when you don’t have any evidence to claim it would happen.

            Strange now that you mention that. I remember back two decades, in the nineties, many conservative, evangelical ministers were saying that Christians would be penalized if this homosexual agenda legislation gets passed. Many progressives said what you said ^^ above, that it would never happen. They even passed a Religious Freedom bill to ensure protections for Christians. Hmmm. We now see that those old Bible thumping ministers were not as the saying goes, “Whistlin’ Dixie.” By the way, do you know what they are saying now?

          • Jalapeno

            .. And they were never penalized.

          • Jack Douglas

            Christians have never been penalized?

          • Jalapeno

            How were they penalized because of the “homosexual legislation”?

          • TheBottomline4This

            Is that a serious question or just a facetious one?

          • Jalapeno

            Kind of both. I know they weren’t.

          • Chip01

            Again. This is simple. Don’t make it hard

            If the Hindu doesn’t offer beef, then he /she won’t be forced to offer it.

            Do you really think a Chinese Restaurant can be forced to make Pizza?

          • Jack Douglas

            But the question is: Why doesn’t the Hindu establishment not offer beef?

          • Chip01

            It doesn’t matter why they don’t. They just don’t. (In your example)

          • Jack Douglas

            So, if a bakery doesn’t do custom made wedding cakes for a same sex couple, they don’t have to? If a minister does not perform same sex wedding ceremonies, they can’t as you put it, “be fired?”

          • Chip01

            No. If a bakery makes wedding cakes then they make wedding cakes. They don’t get to choose why they can /can’t sell them too.

            Why would you feel that the baker who is anti anyone else, should be able to pick and choose who they sell to?

            This really isn’t hard.

          • Jack Douglas

            Because the same folks that are saying what you just said insist that ministers can “pick and choose.”

          • B1jetmech

            Say um…doesn’t McDonald’s refuse service to anyone without shirt and shoes?

            According to Chip, business’s can’t choose who they can sell to…hmmm…

          • Jack Douglas

            HA! But let’s not give them any ideas, unless they claim that McDonald’s discriminates against Bigfoot 😛

          • Theodore Fenton

            If McDonald’s tries that with shirtless and barefoot fundamentalist Christians, it’ll have a lawsuit on its hands.

          • Chip01

            Is there a difference to you between speech and a cake?
            I sure hope so.

          • B1jetmech

            The 13 amendment states that involuntary servitude…shall not exist within the United States. Beginning to wonder if these state public accommodation laws are illegal and unconstitutional.

          • Jack Douglas

            I’m thinking the same thing. Thanks for pointing that out.

          • B1jetmech

            People like chip need a good education in civics, noticing how he loves BIG government to force a baker to bake a cake. Sounds very stalinist.

          • NGN2

            They agreed to abide by the laws and regulations that go along with having a business open to the public. Major fail

          • TheBottomline4This

            There are only a couple of reasons a gay “couples” would go to a place where the owners are religious. Gays do call places and ask certain questions and then some of those show up to test the people. If the people still stand on what they said, the gays bully the business, instead of simply going elsewhere.

          • NGN2

            Absolutely zero proof of the gay community targeting xtian businesses. Why don’t the business owners grow a pair and put signage up indicating that they don’t serve gays?

          • TheBottomline4This

            You’re so delusional.

          • B1jetmech

            So you are for Big government?

            You liberals just make up laws as you go and call them “civil rights”…wow, look how many times that nomenclature has been abused to cover perversion.

          • Bob Johnson

            Civil Rights –
            Blacks are perverted?
            Christians are perverted?
            Veterans are perverted?
            Or is only when it gets to groups you dislike that it becomes perverted?

          • B1jetmech

            BJ,

            Did you not understand my statement?

            Or is only when it gets to groups you dislike that it becomes perverted?

            what groups are we talking about? Homosexuals? Since when did their cause become a civil rights issue?

          • Bob Johnson

            Ah! You only provide rights to people the government tells you to – everyone else, unless you personally like them, can be abused.

          • B1jetmech

            You only provide rights to people the government tells you to –

            I don’t look to government at all as any source of rights.

            everyone else, unless you personally like them, can be abused.

            How about we stick with God’s design of marriage, because after all he know’s best!

          • TheBottomline4This

            Yep. Liberals are so foolish. They are the blind leading the blind. Lead by their noses and group think mentality.

          • B1jetmech

            You know these liberals really care about us. They go out of their way to and come to these Ch***tian websites to save us from our delusions…

            well you get the ideal…LOL!

          • TheBottomline4This

            It’s sadly obvious they truly only care about themselves and their causes.

          • Theodore Fenton

            Same as a bakery that doesn’t do custom-made wedding cakes for an interracial opposite-sex couple.

      • Bella64

        When I referred to my pastor being jailed, I meant because of the opposition.

        • Jalapeno

          Why would he be jailed?

          Refusing to follow a law that doesn’t exist?

          • TheBottomline4This

            There was a time, not too long ago that gays were not allowed to get “married”. Now there is a law saying they can.
            The non-existing law you mention, will happen. That’s part of the gay agenda. So if it does happen at some point, what will your comment be then?

          • Jalapeno

            There were no tested protections in place protecting people from needing to see gay people get married.

          • NGN2

            Proof of it being part of the gay agenda”? Any proof at all? Nah, didn’t think so

          • TheBottomline4This

            Plenty of proof, but as those on your side usually say…Google is your friend.
            Do an honest search and you will run across many things.

          • NGN2

            No such thing as the gay agenda. Try thinking for yourself instead of using preprinted talking points.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Right back at ya.

      • Bella64

        most of my post is regarding the opposition of media etc..I have always had a deep dislike of Louisiana being known as a Part Place or Tourist.

        But, because of these issues being on the doorstep in Louisiana, I do see it has a threat…I believe that one day soon, very soon clergy are going to be forced to officiate ceremonies contrary to their beliefs.

        • Jalapeno

          And.. That’s based on nothing.

    • Michael C

      Your pastor and your church can refuse to perform any ceremony they want. It’s in the Constitution. Your pastor could even refuse to perform an interracial wedding if he so chose (I’m sure he would never do that, I’m just giving an example)

      • TheBottomline4This

        Why would a Pastor refuse to marry an interracial couple?
        All skin colors are beautiful.

        • Jess Mee

          Some once did and some likely still would. Many people once believed that interracial marriages/relationships were a violation of God’s will. Some still do.

        • Michael C

          Why would a Pastor refuse to marry an interracial couple?

          I would have no idea. I just know that they can.

          A few years ago, a Mississippi church forced a couple to find a different venue the day before their wedding just because they didn’t want the black couple marrying in their church. Totally legal.

        • Theodore Fenton

          Surely you must realize that not everyone is as “tolerant” as you.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Flee Troll.

          • NGN2

            I love how the faux xtians like bottom line are so afraid of opposing opinions.

          • TheBottomline4This

            That is on you perverted one.

          • NGN2

            How funny that you call me perverted! You know nothing about me. I happen to be married 17yrs and have 2 daughters. LOL!

          • TheBottomline4This

            Are you in a heterosexual relationship or a gay one?

          • NGN2

            Hetero., but they are one and the same

          • TheBottomline4This

            Well it’s good you are hetero. at least you have one thing right in life.

          • Amos Moses

            Surely you realize YOU are not …………..

        • NGN2

          It has happened in the last several years. Google is your friend

          • TheBottomline4This

            lol

      • Amos Moses

        Michael ………….. this is just more of your lies ………… this is the first step to making it happen ………………. you are of your father …. the devil ……….. the master of lies …

        You have said time and again this would never happen ……… did not take long for that LIE to be exposed …………….. but we ALL KNEW you were lying when you said it ……. just more of your Bovine Scatology …………..

    • Jack Douglas

      I have family living down there in Louisiana (Monroe/West Monroe). I’ve learned one can never judge a place because the politicians are morons. Even good folks can vote for others that let them down (because of lobbying and under the table deals). My experience of Louisiana matches what you describe — the friendliest people I have ever met and really delicious food!

      • Bella64

        Thank You and I agree.!!

      • Bella64

        ..Louisiana does have great cooks.. but Missouri’s own “Home of the THROWED ROLL”..isn’t too bad either…hahahaha..such an embarrassing time in my life when I dropped the roll at Lambert’s in front of a full dinning room! …I felt like I just let down the whole team!

        • Jack Douglas

          Oh yes! The jewel of the Bootheel — Lambert’s Cafe in Sikeston! I don’t live far from there, only a half-hour! Not to worry. You are not the only one who dropped a roll. 🙂 Funny how that tradition got started. A long time ago, someone wanted a roll but they were way down the table and the waitress would have to work herself through the crowd to give him one. He tells her, you don’t have to come down here, “just throw the daggum thing!” The rest is history! 🙂

          • Bella64

            hahahahahahaha…yes, I heard the story..too funny!

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Gay marriage is not marriage. Marriage is between one man and one woman by God’s decree. All others are false. Do secular Americans and secular Westerners hate the Christians for brininging racial equality upon the world last century? Is it why they are bullying the Christians on their soil this century, seeking new victims for bullying? When will the West stop doing evil against mankind? Where has the freedom of conscience gone? Enough of oppression by the perv rich who seek warped amusement on earth. The secular Western culture has no rights to push their sick depravity upon the Christians and moral people.

    • Chip01

      Sorry. What’s the difference between the Easter Bunny and your God?

      What makes your God any more real or important or relevant than the Easter Bunny?

      • B1jetmech

        The difference is God created you with a free will to not believe in him so instead, you can come up with silly ester bunny stories.

        • Chip01

          No.. That’s the story you think s true

          God never told you a thing, nor do you have any proof of what you stated. Zero proof

          • B1jetmech

            Let me guess, you believe that you are some cosmic accident that resulted in “Goo-to-you-by-way-of-the-Zoo” theory??? Now that is fairy tales.

          • Chip01

            Well. I’m pretty sure the whole Adam and Eve story isn’t how it happened. If your gonna get huffy about fairytales…

            Again, God vs Easter Bunny.

          • B1jetmech

            Jeez, we came from some other humans. Sorry to break it to you that you really don’t have ancestors in primates. Now act Human.

            So what kind of proof do you need?

          • Chip01

            LOL. Then per you, man came from magic dust… And women came from ribs… Totally believable. Like when the Easter a Bunny delivers all those eggs and the tooth fairy swaps teeth out for US currency.

            I need no proof, cause you have no proof.
            There is no proof of any God out there

            Any idea on how many gods are worshipped? Hinduism is clocking in at 320,000,000.

          • B1jetmech

            What good is physical proof when you won’t believe anyways?

            And it wasn’t magic dust….come on chip at least know what you are talking about.

            Here’s one to throw your head in a spin there, chip…about 99.9% of fossils came from Noah’s flood or the global flood.

            you want to talk easter bunny and throw spit wads from the sidelines…well let’s talk science there chip!

          • Chip01

            People aren’t using Science to justify their own bigotries… So why would we talk about science. People use religion to justify their own bigotry… Thats why I ask about God vs Easter Bunny. You so need Your a god to validate your inner bigotry towards others… It seems reasonable to ask… What proof is there that there really is a god to justify? And since there is zero proof.. What’s the difference between believing in a god or the Easter Bunny. At one point, we believed in a large rabbit that delivered eggs. Then we grew up… Why don’t we grow up from God fairytale?

            As for dust.. Genesis 2:7 Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust rom the ground …

            I’m not sure why you’d try to argue this point. Isn’t it in the bible? But you don’t try to argue the rib aspect???

          • Amos Moses

            “People aren’t using Science to justify their own bigotries”

            Every post you make …………… DOES …………. so much for that lie ……….

            Please show us your peer reviewed study and data that proves your assertions …………….. Got one …………….

          • Chip01

            Do you see the Easter Bunny right now?
            Do you believe he exists?
            No? Why not?

          • TheBottomline4This

            Chippy, still throwing around the easter bunny.
            What book does your easter bunny have that is number one of all books and been around longer than you will know? What is the easter bunny’s book…The Big Carrot? Hippity Hoppity?

          • Chip01

            Are those real titles? JK

            Anyway, I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make with this “it’s a number 1 seller, so it must be true” theory of yours.

            The history of humans is filled with myths that at a time were thought to be 110% true.

            Here’s one
            The Pilgrims did not come to the New World for religious freedom

          • Amos Moses

            We are talking about you arguing about things you do not believe in ……….. God ………. you are the one who wants to argue that ………….. but not Easter bunnies, unicorns or other things you claim do not exist …………..

            And the reason you want to argue God …………. is you actually know He does exist………… but you are afraid …………..

            So again ………… where is your peer reviewed article that supports your notion and, where is your data ………. and please describe the experiment your performed and its parameters to show this to be so ………

            otherwise you are just bloviating …………. which we already know you are ……..

          • Chip01

            When you are making these never ending self indulging speculations that you make, do you ever come up for air to see if any of what you say has the slightest ring of truth to it?

            So. I’ll take it that Amos Moses doesn’t believe in the Easter Bunny? You know the story, but having never seen, heard, or having any proof of any kind other than that story.. Amos Moses ruled out that a large Easter Bunny hops around the world delivering Easter Eggs once a year. Logical reasonable assumption.

          • Amos Moses

            So “No” on the peer reviewed article ………. got it ……

          • Chip01

            We are almost done

            We are just waiting on that evidence about the Easter Bunny… Santa promises to have it done by end of June, early July – latest.

          • Amos Moses

            We are here talking about God ………… you are talking about red herrings …… and i still heard “no” about your peer reviewed article and your assertions as to His existence ……

          • Chip01

            Well. He doesn’t. So now you prove he does.

            An entity that is all powerful, and as been here forever. So me anything that proves he does

          • Chip01

            Btw. Do they do…peer reviews on works of fiction?
            Is there a peer review on the Easter Bunny?

          • Amos Moses

            You are making an assertion of fact ………… it is either a scientific or a theological assertion …..that it is a fiction …………… where is your proof …… do you have ANY ………..

          • Chip01

            I take it from your absolute zero proof, … THATS my proof.

            Now. Where is yours to counter mine?
            (Which, btw, was the original request to someone else… Before you started your circular rhetoric to try to divert attention from the fiction you wish to claim is fact)

          • Amos Moses

            I am not dealing in science ……… you are and YOUR standard of proof ……. is EVIDENCE ……… and you are providing no information as to how your conclusion was arrived at ……… YOUR standard …… you are the one who HAS to live with it ….. so ……….. AGAIN …………….where is your researched and peer reviewed article for YOUR assertion …………….

          • Chip01

            And again.. Peer reviews are not applied to fiction… What would be the point.

            Again, where is your proof? My proof is simple, you can’t prove, therefore I win

          • Amos Moses

            And you present no evidence that it is fiction ………… so ……… AGAIN ……….. WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE …….

          • Amos Moses

            You are the one making the assertion …………….. and are here arguing that it does not exist ………. WITH NO PROOF OF YOUR ASSERTION ………..

          • Amos Moses

            Do you have absolute perfect knowledge of every thing? ………………..

          • Chip01

            So… For a guy who is so sure… You seem very upset that a total stranger is telling you otherwise.

            And while you will continue to try to twist the conversation this way and that way… Because in the end, twisting stories is what ya do…

            The original thread was for the original person ((not you)) to explain What makes the Easter Bunny not real and God real…

          • Amos Moses

            Yeah ……… like you are the first person ever to make these ridiculous assertions ………. and you are so smart that you have all the answers ……………

            No, sorry………… you are not ………… hate to disabuse you of your notion …………

            So any way …………. as to your assertion ………….. Do you have absolute perfect knowledge of every thing? ……………….. because that is about the only way you have to prove your assertion …… i am just trying to help you out …………….. if you cant answer some of these simple questions ……………… then you are exposed as a charlatan …………..

          • Chip01

            Got that proof yet?

            Spouting these long diatribes are getting you nowhere, and fast.

          • Amos Moses

            We do not deal in proof ……………… but it is manifest and you deny it in any event …….. you are the one in the proof game ………………. and you have yet to prove it is a fiction ……… that is your assertion …………. where is your proof ……… not my job to prove your thesis ………

          • Chip01

            God’s people were told to rest on the seventh day of every week. Should you be sabbath-ing, or something?

            I guess good Christians today do not observe the seventh-day Sabbath— it obsolete…. Pick and choose.

          • Amos Moses

            You do not get to use a book you do not believe is the truth ………… so what does it matter to you …………….. you think it is a fiction ……..

            And again ……………… it is your thesis …………. where is your evidence …….. where is your proof ……………. you are the one dealing in science ……. those are the standards for a scientific inquiry ……………. evidence and proof it is a fiction

            Do you have absolute perfect knowledge of every thing? Yes or no ……..

          • Amos Moses

            How did the inanimate become animate?

          • Chip01

            Can you leave one rant at a time?

          • Amos Moses

            Well if you cant answer some simple questions that your assertion brings up ……….. and these are some pretty gaping holes ……….. you really need to have answers for them ……

          • Amos Moses

            “I take it from your absolute zero proof, … THATS my proof.”

            Restating your assertion is not proof …………..

          • ShemSilber

            Shalom, Brother Amos,
            The world is full of people like Chip01 who use the fictional stories like ‘Easter Bunny,’ a pagan idol, to make excuses for throwing out the baby with the bathwater. They reject the truth because they lump it in with the false, and thus they remain stupid. We can witness to them about the Master Yahushua (Jesus), our Redeemer, but it’s between Him and them what they do with that witness.
            Praise Yahuwah our Father that He cared enough to send His Son to cover our sins and rise again to assure us of everlasting life, for He is the only Savior all of us have, from Adam on down, omein!

          • Balerion

            I really don’t care if you choose to believe in some bronze age fairy tale.

            My problem is when you try to rewrite the laws of the land according to said fairy tale.

          • Amos Moses

            “My problem is when you try to rewrite the laws of the land according to said fairy tale.”

            Then you should stop doing that ……. because the only ones trying to change laws according to fairy tales are the postmoderns who do not know what they are talking about ………………

          • Balerion

            Okay, perhaps I poorly phrased it. My problem is when people decide that their three thousand year old fairy tale ought to be the basis for modern laws, whether it is fighting to keep unjust and/or just plain stupid laws around just because that’s what their little book calls for, or pass their own stupid laws to try to conform to that book (though it actually seems most of the latter is in the form of passing “religious conscience” laws to allow people to violate laws that go against their religion).

          • B1jetmech

            People aren’t using Science to justify their own bigotries

            Go ask the Australian Aborigines who were hunted down like animals so their skulls were sent to British museums to be put on display.

            People use religion to justify their own bigotry

            Your ideal of bigotry is only a couple of years old…it’s thrown around carelessly by your types against those who disagree with your propaganda.

            You so need a god to validate your inner bigotry towards others… It therefore seems reasonable to ask

            Do you hathiest sit around all night trying…brainstorming to make this stuff up, and go waste everyone’s time on Christian websites?

            Anyway, we believers reconciled to God where you have not done
            so…yet.

            What proof do you have there IS a god?

            What kind of proof are you looking for???

            And since there is zero proof.

            What…did you die and come back from the dead to bear witness???

            At one point, we believed in a large rabbit that delivered eggs.

            Speak for yourself, I never believed an easter bunny.

            Why don’t we grow up from the God fairytale?

            Because you choose not to believe…plain & simple. God will not appear before you. He did miraculous events to the Israeites during and after they were freed from Egypt and yet they still turned their backs and whines like stuck pigs. So it’s no use. Faith comes by hearing not seeing. That is how He instituted it and no other way. So if you still don’t believe, it’s because you chose not to.

            It’s your life.

            Genesis 2:7 Then the LORD God formed a man from the dust from the ground …

            If God created the heavens and the Earth in 6 days what makes you think he can’t create man from the dust of the Earth?

            We as humans with certain intelligence cannot create things Or, create something from nothing. We can only convert from an existing element. This is the depth of our understanding. Since we are but “mere vapor” compared to God…we do not fathom his intelligence and majesty.

          • Chip01

            Recap:
            You think it’s impossible that we evolved.. I just pointed out the hypocrisy to say “impossible” to evolution… But that you feel we came from dust totally plausible. Of the two, clear evolution is based in science, and more plausible.

            Then you said it wasn’t dust…but I showed you it was.

            Moving on:
            The rest of whatever it was you wrote…

            How far back did you go in history to find that Britsh reference? It doesn’t seem relevant.
            Are you sure you want to go into history? The Christian religion in the US alone to do to atrocities is well documented. (Salem Witch Hunt) (Crusades (1095-1291))(Columbus himself) on, that list is long

          • B1jetmech

            Chip how many names do you have???

            You mockef evolved..

            You mean “mocked”?

            Am I mocking a “religion”? I think so. Evolution is a religion to you which shapes your worldview.

            You need to clarify your point about “hypocrisy” because I didn’t get it.

            Evolution is based on a THEORY Not Science. Because science cannot prove..as in test and re create an experiment of evolution. So all you have is a theory.

            Then you said it wasn’t dust…but I showed you it was.

            You said “magic dust” which is was not. God created Adam from the dust of the Earth.

            How far back did you go in history to find that British reference? It doesn’t even seem applicable.

            What British reference???

            The Christian atrocities in history is well documented.

            (Salem Witch Hunt)

            What about the witches?

            (Crusades (1095-1291)

            Yes, preventing the spread of Islam…of course the story has been altered I’m sure. Go ahead and tell us how bad those Christians were.

            (Columbus himself)

            What did Columbus do? I know liberal professors teach that Columbus was a very bad man who landed in America…Oh wait! He never landed in America. He landed in some Caribbean island.

          • NGN2

            There is zero support for a global flood with the exception of ken ham

          • TheBottomline4This

            lol.

          • NGN2

            No reply of substance? Didn’t think so. Maybe ken hams “creation scientists” can help you out! LOL

          • TheBottomline4This

            lol looney one.

          • NGN2

            LOL!

          • B1jetmech

            Yeah! Get that chimp off your shoulders!

          • Balerion

            Apparently some people never got passed the “zoo” stage. Like yourself.

        • TheBottomline4This

          Just ignore Chippy and his delusions. He has no proof…no Book that has been around longer than any of us or our relatives…Chippy is a Troll on a Christian website. Poor Chippy.

          • Chip01

            ((That book was written by men… Not God.))

          • TheBottomline4This

            Stupidity is your hobby.

          • NGN2

            If you believe that we came from a mud man and a rib woman, I would venture to say that stupidity is your hobby

          • TheBottomline4This

            Says the evolutionist.
            You truly are delusional perverted one.

          • NGN2

            You betcha that I’m an evolutionist. I most certainly do not believe that we were “poofed” into existence….LMAO!

          • TheBottomline4This

            You’re a loon.

          • B1jetmech

            Notice that evolution is such a FAILED theory, that government has to subsidize it with our tax money…what does that tell ya’???

          • TheBottomline4This

            For them to seriously think we evolved from apes is hilarious. They are such fools.

          • Bob Johnson

            What the government is desperately trying for is the next generation of doctors that understand biology, biochemistry, and pharmacology. Otherwise, we will have to continue to outsource patients to India, Thailand, and other countries with modern technologies and trained providers.

          • Chip01

            Insulting is all you have

          • B1jetmech

            Your buddy NGN2 has been doing that already. Why do you hatheist have to go to Christian websites and insult people?

          • TheBottomline4This

            I don’t initially. I’ll give a fool a chance, several as a matter of fact, but once they blow it after those attempts to reason with them, then I go to what they truly are and am not afraid to label them so. You are a stupid fool Chippy. Now go whine about that along with your whining about gay stuff.

          • Chip01

            Change your “reason” to brainwash…

          • NGN2

            So oppressed. Pitiful.

          • TheBottomline4This

            ik. Why are you that way? Mommy or Daddy must have really messed you up. Hmm, I wonder which one it was…

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Easter is the celebration of the resurrection of the Lord Jesus. It is called Resurrection Day elsewhere. Rabbits are God’s creatures and they make the most number of offsprings – a sign of strong life. God created the world. The Western culture has become detestable after losing Christianity. You guys are a real shame to your own fathers and mothers and must repent and stop blaspheming and start reading the Holy Bible in order to obtain eternal life.

        • Chip01

          LOL
          You missed the word BUNNY. It’s Easter BUNNY
          Not just Easter

          However, your ability to see text, then cut out the parts you don’t like, and add in parts that are not there to suit your opinion is well noted.

          So.. I’ll ask again. What the difference between the Easter BUNNY and your God?

          Try answering with a bit less dramatics, and a lot more proof in your gods existence over the Easter BUNNY

        • Bob Johnson

          And where does the name Easter come from?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Easter means Resurrection Day of Jesus Christ throughout the world. Christianity changed barbaric Europe permanently. The Light has dawned.

      • Amos Moses

        So how many sites are you on that you say that about Easter Bunnies ………… none ……. yeah ……. we knew that …………… because you know it is not true ………. please explain how the inanimate became animate and then became you …………

        • Chip01

          Well. Like in 3rd grade, the teacher repeats to reinforce.

          Plus, the God/Easter bunny is spot on perfect. Why not use what works.

          • TheBottomline4This

            I’ll repeat for your braindead self…you’re a stupid fool Chippy.

          • Chip01

            Insulting is all you have.

  • johnnygeneric

    Compelling people to things against their conscience is the first step in making SLAVERY acceptable.

  • Todd Denson

    Most of you people are morons. Gay folks do not want to be married by homophobic clergymen. Do you really think there is a line of gay people waiting to force some pastor or preacher to marry them? Really?

    • Theodore Fenton

      Amen to that!

    • TheBottomline4This

      They have forced bakers who don’t want to service a gay event to do it or be ruined if they don’t, so sure, it’s not beyond reason that they would. i’m sure time will prove you wrong.

      • Chip01

        Except, in the case you have.. The baker was wrong and the courts have said o.

        Plus, the people went away and got a cake from somewhere else. So your wrong there, too

        • TheBottomline4This

          The bakers are not wrong. gays bullying companies to service gay events that go against their beliefs is wrong.

          • Theodore Fenton

            There are no beliefs that “gay events” go against.

          • TheBottomline4This

            There are plenty.

          • Theodore Fenton

            All invalid.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Not at all gay one.

    • Amos Moses

      “Gay folks do not want to be married by homophobic clergymen. ”

      Sure they do………… so that they can take the feces that they have covered themselves in …….. and use it to cover anyone who opposes them ……….. so the only MORONS ……. and LIARS ………….. are the ones who said it would NEVER happen …………. and who support this MORONIC idea that it is or EVER was a marriage ………. it aint ………..

      • Theodore Fenton

        Your thinking seems to be as equally disjointed as your writing.

      • Joe Soap

        I’ve been reading your post and I have a question. Why do you keep putting pauses at random points all the way through them? They read like William Shatner acts.

  • Oshtur

    Sad, the emotional insecurity of people who want to use the power of government to force others to accept them. These are not mentally healthy people who are at ease in their own skin. Well-adjusted people don’t run around screaming “I’m just as good as you!”

    • TheBottomline4This

      True. It could be in part because they were in the closet for so long, living their perversion, but now coming out of the closet has shown their emotional/mental issues for what they are.

    • Chip01

      How’s that different than legislating your beliefs into law?

    • Jolanda Tiellemans

      These are not mentally healthy people who are at ease in their own skin. Well-adjusted people don’t run around screaming “I’m just as good as you!”

      You are a psychiatrist?

  • Amos Moses

    So much for all the Bovine Scatology from the LGBLTQRSTUVWXYZ about this never affecting the churches …………………………..

    • Theodore Fenton

      No churches have been affected.

      • Amos Moses

        YET………………………

        • Theodore Fenton

          Fundamentalist Christians haven’t placed gay people in internment camps … YET …

          • Amos Moses

            There are ten countries where they are put to death ………… and not one of them is a state of the union ………………… on the contrary ………….. but EVERY FUNDAMENTALIST is a BIGOT ……….. and you are not ………..Mittuns …. RIIIIIGHT ……………………. More of your Bovine Scatology ………

          • Theodore Fenton

            “… and not one of them is a state of the union …”

            … YET …

      • Amos Moses

        Canadians Could Face Two Years in Jail For Criticizing Transgender, ‘Gender Fluid’ Ideology

        Coming soon to a church near you ……………

        • Theodore Fenton

          Again, no churches have been affected.

          • Amos Moses

            AGAIN, Just more of your Bovine Scatology …………..

            Christian Law School Forced to Support Homosexuality If It Wants …
            8 Jul 2015 … A court in Canada has ruled that a Christian law school can be denied accreditation for having a policy in opposition to homosexuality.

            Christians silenced in Canada, says anti-gay activist | Daily Xtra
            24 Mar 2015 … An evangelical activist, who for years denounced homosexuality in Canada, says more Christians are willing to support his crusade against …

            Anti-Christian Persecution & Oppression in Canada – Campaign Life
            This ruling gives homosexuals an invented, special right that regular. Canadians do not have: the right to not be offended. Say goodbye to freedom of religion,.

            Canada Orders Pastor to Renounce His Faith – Catholic Exchange
            9 Jun 2008 … In essence, the Alberta Human Rights Tribunal is ordering to the minister to renounce his Christian faith, since his opposition to homosexuality …

          • TheBottomline4This

            yet.

  • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

    Money before God once again. Forcing others to do your bidding is slavery.

  • scottrose

    The purpose of their “marriages” was this, always: to give them legal cause to harass Christians. This should not surprise anyone. They have no more interest in emotional commitment than an alleycat does. Thankfully, alleycats don’t pressure the government to allow them to marry.

    • Theodore Fenton

      My husband and I have proven you wrong. Now, scurry away.

      • Ernestine

        Troll

  • [email protected]

    Pastors and churches are already protected and do not need to perform any weddings that go agasint their religious beliefs nor is anyone trying to force them to do so. As noted this bill was an overly broad solution to something that was already protected agasint and thus not needed.

  • https://catchinghellblog.wordpress.com/ Rev. Gerald Palmer, MSW

    They are already protected.