Bible Verse Prompts Walkout By House Republicans Scolded for Sinful Vote on Homosexual Amendment

Allen-compressedWASHINGTON — Republican members of the U.S. House of Representatives walked out of a policy meeting on Thursday after one of their colleagues read a Bibles verse and scolded them over their vote in favor of an appropriations amendment pertaining to homosexuality.

As previously reported, Rep. Sean Maloney, D-NY, who is openly homosexual and the co-chair of the House “LGBT Equality Caucus,” proposed an amendment last week that would ban entities from receiving government contracts if they are believed to have policies in place deemed discriminatory of homosexuals.

The bill was presented to counter the passage of another amendment by Rep. Steve Russell, R-Okla., that applied the religious exemption in Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 to federal contractors.

Legal groups such as First Liberty expressed support for the measure, stating that Russell’s amendment “creates an equal playing field for military religious vendors, ensuring military chaplains remain free to choose vendors who align with the teachings of their denomination.”

At first it seemed that Maloney’s amendment might pass, with 217 votes in favor of the measure, but according to reports, House Republicans extended the voting time by several minutes and encouraged their colleagues to change their minds.

Reps. Darrell Issa, David Valadao, Jeff Denham, Mimi Walters—all of California—and Rep. Greg Walden of Oregon, Rep. David Yong of Iowa and Rep. Bruce Poliquin of Maine all changed their vote at the last minute, which ended in the defeat of Maloney’s measure—by a single vote.

The amendment was again introduced on Wednesday as Maloney sought to attach it to a separate energy appropriations bill, but the bill failed largely due to opposition to the proposal.

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On Thursday, Rep. Rick Allen, R-Ga., scolded those Republicans who voted for the amendment. According to Politico, Allen opened the weekly policy meeting with a prayer that included the matter of homosexuality and read a Scripture, while telling those gathered that if they supported the amendment, they might be violating their faith.

Some Republicans, in becoming angry about the matter, walked out.

“A good number of members were furious,” one lawmaker, who asked to remain anonymous, told Politico. “There was some Scripture that was read and the like. … Nothing good was going to happen to those that supported [the amendment]. A good number of members were furious.”

“It was [expletive] ridiculous,” another said.

Some said that they only supported the amendment with a stipulation attached, and others said that they voted for the bill because they thought the amendment would never survive and would eventually be stripped out.

“[T]he difference on this vote was it wasn’t about substance as much as it was about principle,” Rep. Markwayne Mullin, R-Okla., told Politico. “When you’re talking about principle—and this was a principle vote, about a lot of people’s faith and the way they believe—as a deputy whip, it’s difficult for me to persuade somebody, and nor would I try to persuade somebody, when they’re making a principle vote.”

It is not known which Scripture Allen read to those gathered and there are not yet any direct quotes from the meeting.


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  • Theodore Fenton

    I keep hearing over and over again how Christianity in America is being silenced. So far, I’m just not seeing it.

    • TheBottomline4This

      There’s a lot of things you don’t see Theo…a lot!!!!!

    • NGN2

      They like to perpetuate their faux victim status for attention

      • Amos Moses

        No, that would be the ones who are saying that they need everyone to agree with them about the sins they are committing ………… and seek to make their sins a matter of law ……..

    • PastProdigal

      Then you’re not paying a great deal of attention.

      • Theodore Fenton

        I suspect it’s you who isn’t paying attention.

    • Bezukhov

      You need to think like a Christian. If they’re not on top, dominating everyone else and lording over them, then they’re being silenced, and persecuted.

      • Slidellman4life

        Is that a troll post?

    • Brad F

      If you’re having vision problems, could be CMV, the cytamegalovirus. People infected with HIV often go blind due to CMV. It’s becoming more and more common.

      Google “HIV CMV” if you’re interested.

      • Ronald Carter

        I’m not seeing it either. What virus would you like to pre-diagnose me with?

        • Brad F

          Any and all, probably.

          • Ronald Carter

            Another nice edit. Pathetic.

  • Josey

    They walked out because the scripture pricked their conscience but rather than repent they made excuses as to why they voted the way they did. My prayer is with the ones who stood up and declared God’s word, God strengthen them and increase them according to Your word and will in the Name of Jesus, amen.

    • NGN2

      They should have walked. Your religion has no place in politics.

      • GibbyD

        The founders thought otherwise. They prayed , they recited Scripture, they even evangelised . The TRUTH , GOD’s Truth, has a place in EVERYTHING !!! Right and wrong has it’s source and it is not with the whims of man by by the decrees of God. For this dispensation and The New Testament , it is our foundation

        • NGN2

          The founders were wrong. Religion has no place in governmental affairs. It is the single most divisive thing in the world.

          • GibbyD

            No, Islam has proven divisive and deadly . Christianity is the greatest peace creator in the world. Where there is no religion and atheism is codified and where it rules , is where you find the worst Government and tyranny.

            There are a plethora of places where you can verify these numbers, if you are so-minded.

            Mao Ze-Dong (China, 1958-61 and 1966-69, Tibet 1949-50) 49-78,000,00 people murdered

            Jozef Stalin (USSR 1932-39 only) 15,000,000 people murdered

            Pol Pot (Cambodia, 1975-79) 1,700,000 people murdered

            Kim II Sung (North Korea 1948-94) 1.6 million people murdered

            Tito (Yugoslavia 1945-1987) 570,000 people murdered

            Suharto (Communists 1967-66) 500,000 people murdered

            Ante Pavelic (Croatia 1941-45) 359,000 people murdered

            Ho Chi Min (Vietnam 1953-56) 200,000 people murdered

            Vladimir Ilich Lenin (USSR, 1917-20) 30,000 people murdered

            Adolf Hitler (Germany 1939-1945) 12,000,000 people murdered

          • The Last Trump

            Yes, atheists have killed more of their own people than have died in all of the world’s wars combined.
            People today should be a little bit more concerned about the Godless tyrants that they are appointing to rule over them….

          • This style ten and six

            I don’t know about the others but Hitler was a Catholic. In Mein Kampf he makes quite clear that he was not an atheist. None of the others committed their atrocities in the name of atheism, it was politics and power.

          • GibbyD

            Hitler’s relationship to religion in general—was opportunistic. There is no evidence that Hitler himself, in his personal life, ever expressed any individual belief in the basic tenets of the Christian church”.

            The other “atrocities” were a fruit of a government, leadership and people that excluded God.

          • GibbyD

            “A consensus of scholars agree that Hitler was not a Christian and was skeptical of religion generally. According to Alan Bullock, Hitler was a rationalist and materialist “who believed neither in God nor in conscience”, but who opportunistically employed the language of “divine providence” in defence of his own myth. When young, Hitler was baptised and confirmed in the Roman Catholic Church and raised by an anti-clerical father and practising Catholic mother. In adulthood, he became disdainful of Christianity, but retained some respect for the organisational power of the Church. Although he was prepared to delay conflicts for political reasons, according to Kershaw, Bullock, Evans, Fest, Phayer, Shirer and others, he eventually hoped to eradicate Christianity in Germany. Prosecutors at the Nuremberg Trials submitted that Hitler engaged in a slow and cautious policy to eliminate Christianity.” —Wikipedia

          • This style ten and six

            Granted. However, the idea that atheism itself, non belief in a god, is responsible for these atrocities is a non starter. The people involved were after power and the same thing goes for the religious, although in some cases atrocities were committed because some people did not adhere to the dogma of those with power.

            In any case to list genocides is hardly a criticism of today’s atheists, agnostics and apathetics. They are not over represented in the criminal courts and prisons, except of course in those countries where to be an atheist is a sentence of death.

          • GibbyD

            Not believing The Gospel of The LORD Jesus Christ and preventing others from hearing and believing , is the number one reason why evil men in nations are not restrained from their wickedness.

          • This style ten and six

            The Scandinavian countries are among the best governed and religion there is fading fast. I believe we can do quite well without all the religious dogma and ritual.

            If you believe non Christians are wicked I am sorry for you.

          • GibbyD

            Non-Christians are unsaved sinners. All have sinned and come short of the glory . If you had a choice between saving your life or the life of someone you did not know , which would you choose? Your answer reflects the degree to which you think you are really that “good”. in today’s society , those without Christ think nothing of killing and innocent unborn baby if that baby was going to inconvenience their life . When you have no accountability to God , just about anything goes and usually does.

            China has more unbelievers than the Scandinavian countries . Which country would you rather live? Or would you rather live in The USA , a Christian dominated land?

          • This style ten and six

            Christian women divorce, use contraception and access abortion in pretty well the same proportions as anyone else. Of course they are not murdering a baby, you should learn the difference between a baby and a fetus. I am fortunate to live in Canada which is not dominated by religion and where a woman has access to health care without restrictions.

          • GibbyD

            “Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit. A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
            *Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.” ( Matthew 7:16-23)KJB.

            Just because someone calls himself a Christian , it does not mean that he or she is . Jesus said , ” Ye MUST be born again” ( John 3:3; 1st Peter 1:23; 2 Corinthians 5:17)KJB. Professing Christian do not commit those sins at the same rate as unbelievers and genuine born again Christian , would NEVER. If they did , God would chasten them and or even kill their body and bring them home to Heaven ashamed and unrewarded . ( Hebrews 12:1-9 ) KJB explains this. Also 1st Corinthians 5:5)KJB.

            Life begins at conception and only God has a right to terminate that life. The United States and those countries that allow and commit the horrific sin of abortion , will give an account before God someday. Those sins too can be forgiven and even forgotten by God if we , ” repent toward God and place our faith and trust toward The LORD Jesus Christ ” ( Acts 20:21; 1st John 1:9)KJB.

          • Dennis Stewart

            Move there!

          • Dennis Stewart

            Where God ceases to exist, all things are permitted. You’re next!

          • Tim Hunter

            Timothy N. Hunter

            1 hr ·

            The National Association of Evangelicals turned their backs on me after their Washington representative (then, Rev. Rich Cizik) went down to the Clinton White House Office of Public Liaison, after which Rich dropped any interest in my disclosures and didn’t return calls. Since Woodrow Wilson the State Department has called for the primacy of diplomacy over the use of force, and the right of Free Speech by officials. The Foreign Service Act of 1980 even says that members of the Foreign Service “are entitled to the fullest measure of due process.” When I was a Diplomat in the State Department under President Clinton I spoke up with policy disagreements about the Administration’s supporting Saudi Arabia’s mission of spreading terrorist ideology and training terrorist organization’s in the Saudi desert and I reported to the State Department Inspector General that the Diplomatic Security staff were leaking the names of Catholics secretly holding Mass in the Jeddah Consulate-General to the Saudi G-2 (secret police). 45 miles from Mecca. I was immediately sent back to Washington to an obscure job in Washington by the Secretary of State, a member of Clinton’s cabinet. When I reached out to the agency that protects whistle blowers (US Office of Special Counsel) the Clinton Administration sent gun-toting men from the Bureau of Diplomatic Security to force me out of my office, seize my diplomatic credentials, government cards and my building pass. However, since the gunmen had no legitimate authority, they forced my supervisor to participate in their “diplomacy”… My then-attorney presented the facts to the Clinton-appointed Secretary of State organization, the Foreign Service Grievance Board, but the Clinton officials refused to make a record of the testimony, in violation of the rule of law, or to go to arbitration and used political influence to immobilize my Union representatives. I was terminated unlawfully (no one would sign the termination paperwork) and by the use of threats of force by government gun men…My then attorney “ran to the courthouse” and asked for a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) from Federal District Judge Stanley Sporkin, former General Counsel of the C.I.A. after several meetings the judge decided to use the “learned helplessness” approach …he could NOT “understand” my attorney’s brief! The US Attorney at the time was former judge Eric Holder, who later became Attorney-General of the US, and government lawyers followed his directives. Subsequently, the Washington Post reporter, Thomas W. Lippman, said he had researched the situation but that at the request of Clinton officials in the State Department, he had “killed it”. Most journalists have followed that approach… Hon. Timothy N. Hunter US FOREIGN SERVICE (locked out 4/21/95) PO Box 22368 West Palm Beach, FL 33416

          • GibbyD

            That is terrible that a professing Christian from a professing Christian organization , did not get the help you needed. This is an evil world and men are waxing worse and worse. We wrestle not against flesh and blood.

            I pray you will be able to find help and be exonerated. I pray that any evil will be exposed and thwarted.

            “Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. 11Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil. 12For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places. 13Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand. 14Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness; 15And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace; 16Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked. 17And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:

            18Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; 19And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, 20For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak.” ( Ephesians 6:10-20)KJB

          • Mike Wellein

            Adolf Hitler was a Christian, you stupid fuck.

          • Amos Moses

            Says the one here to divide …………..

          • Amos Moses

            You will either submit to God or submit to the tyranny of men …………. there is no other alternative ………..

          • Scott Davenport

            not when you realize there’s only 1 true religion, and only one true God. Anything other than Christianity is false, and we’d rather you open your eyes now than suffer the fate of the believers of false religions.

          • The Skeptical Chymist

            It must be just an odd coincidence, then, that every religion that has ever existed on this planet has said the exact same thing. When they all say that theirs is the one true religion, how can you say that they’re all wrong, and you are right?

          • Ronald Carter

            I’ve waited years for someone to answer that one. There’s so much division within Christianity and in some cases there are Christian denominations that battle more viciously with each other than with atheists. But all I ever get in response is the No True Scotsman fallacy.

          • Brad F

            Your ignorance of religions is laughable. No, every religion does not say the same thing.
            Learn to read books, atheist blogs are not exactly reliable sources.

          • The Skeptical Chymist

            You misunderstand me. I know that different religionstyles have different tenets (duh!). What I meant was that they all claim to be the one true religion.

          • The Last Trump

            Isn’t that just like an atheist!
            Everyone else’s religion is wrong but THEIRS is right!
            Too funny!

          • Paul Greene

            God ALMIGHTY established government and judicial system dating back to the days of Moses in the book of Judges. Elohim is the ultimate judge. He has a kingdom on this earth greater than anything you can comprehend and Yahshua is the King

          • PastorRon Aldridge

            The Bible contradicts you; Romans chapter 13 tells us to obey the laws of the land. Yes, Christianity is divisive; it divides the sheep and the goats.

          • Kerry Hall

            I get the impression our Lord knew it would be….Matthew 10:34-38(NASB)

            34 “Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 36 and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household. 37 “He who loves father or mother more than Me is not worthy of Me; and he who loves son or daughter more than Me is not worthy of Me. 38 And he who does not take his cross and follow after Me is not worthy of Me.

        • Tim Hunter

          Timothy N. Hunter

          1 hr ·

          The National Association of Evangelicals turned their backs on me after their Washington representative (then, Rev. Rich Cizik) went down to the Clinton White House Office of Public Liaison, after which Rich dropped any interest in my disclosures and didn’t return calls. Since Woodrow Wilson the State Department has called for the primacy of diplomacy over the use of force, and the right of Free Speech by officials. The Foreign Service Act of 1980 even says that members of the Foreign Service “are entitled to the fullest measure of due process.” When I was a diplomat in the State Department under President Clinton I spoke up with policy disagreements about the Administration’s supporting Saudi Arabia’s mission of spreading terrorist ideology and training terrorist organization’s in the Saudi desert and I reported to the State Department Inspector General that the Diplomatic Security staff were leaking the names of Catholics secretly holding Mass in the Jeddah Consulate-General to the Saudi G-2 (secret police). 45 miles from Mecca. I was immediately sent back to Washington to an obscure job in Washington by the Secretary of State, a member of Clinton’s cabinet. When I reached out to the agency that protects whistle blowers (US Office of Special Counsel) the Clinton Administration sent gun-toting men from the Bureau of Diplomatic Security to force me out of my office, seize my diplomatic credentials, government cards and my building pass. However, since the gunmen had no legitimate authority, they forced my supervisor to participate in their “diplomacy”… My then-attorney presented the facts to the Clinton-appointed Secretary of State organization, the Foreign Service Grievance Board, but the Clinton officials refused to make a record of the testimony, in violation of the rule of law, or to go to arbitration and used political influence to immobilize my Union representatives. I was terminated unlawfully (no one would sign the termination paperwork) and by the use of threats of force by government gun men…My then attorney “ran to the courthouse” and asked for a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) from Federal District Judge Stanley Sporkin, former General Counsel of the C.I.A. after several meetings the judge decided to use the “learned helplessness” approach …he could NOT “understand” my attorney’s brief! The US Attorney at the time was former judge Eric Holder, who later became Attorney-General of the US, and government lawyers followed his directives. Subsequently, the Washington Post reporter, Thomas W. Lippman, said he had researched the situation but that at the request of Clinton officials in the State Department, he had “killed it”. Most journalists have followed that approach… Hon. Timothy N. Hunter US FOREIGN SERVICE (locked out 4/21/95) PO Box 22368 West Palm Beach, FL 33416

      • The Last Trump

        Our religion is why you live in what used to be a free country.
        Maybe you should just say “thank you” and call it a day.
        Before embarrassing yourself further.

        • GibbyD

          amen , “even so, come , LORD Jesus”

          • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

            Amen. May He come soon.

        • Ronald Carter

          Wow, Last Trump, you need a history lesson in a major way. The founding fathers were deists.

          • Brad F

            What do you know, you brain-dead fggot?

          • Ronald Carter

            Yeah, faux history from all the faux history books. You wouldn’t like the ones I use, they weren’t written by Jack Chick.

      • PastorRon Aldridge

        If you ever read history you will find that our forefathers based our Constitution on the Bible; they met for an hour of prayer before beginning all their sessions and the ONLY reason America has been great (up to the past 7 years) is because God has blessed us for honoring Him.

    • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

      In Jesus Name Amen.

      • NGN2

        I have a friend named jesus

        • Joe

          Here’s a question for you, why do you find it necessary to belittle the name of Jesus Christ?And what is your motive as a unbeliever commenting negatively on a Christian website.By the way you are correct, religion is divisive but those of us who trust in Jesus Christ finished cross work alone for our salvation are not religionists.

          • Mike Wellein

            Jesus pooped in my bed, and then I ate it and gained his powers. PRAY TO ME!!!!!!!

        • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

          I have a Lord Named Yeshua. More than a Friend.
          . < < < Shalom < < <

        • The Last Trump

          Of course you do.
          We ALL do.
          No one else I know ever gave Himself over to pay a debt He didn’t owe, to pay the price I couldn’t pay, accepting the shame and judgment that He did not deserve, the shame and judgment that you and I do. 🙁

      • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

        It should be “In Jesus Christ’s Name, Amen.!”, so as to avoid spiritual confusion or mis-sent prayers.

        • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

          Sorry 🙁

          • Josey

            Thankfully, God my Saviour knows my heart and whom I refer to, sorry it wasn’t pc but I cannot worry on that, too much of that going on. We can get caught up in a religious worry about being too careful of how we pray, sorry I am simple when it comes to talking to God and Jesus Christ and do not worry about such things. And mis-sent prayers? Come on, as I said God didn’t say, “oh now, that is a mis-sent prayer because you left off Christ, so I can’t answer it.” I understand that many use Jesus name but aren’t talking about Christ the Savior in which God knows who they are also. So thankful for your spiritualness disqus or where would I be with my simpleness? BTW…I also say yeshua from time to time but I don’t debate on it, I let myself be led by the Holy Spirit. Matthew 7:7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you:

          • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

            There was a comment made to me by an Atheist. He was being rude to me about Jesus. And another comment was made to me by a Christian who got upset with me not you for only saying Jesus and not using Christ. I am very sorry if you took me wrong. I guess you did not see what they both said to me. Please forgive me as it had nothing to do with what you said. I agreed with what you said. But for some reason they had a problem with me. Again I am sorry please forgive me.

          • Josey

            Lady and dear sister in Christ, you didn’t offend me, I know your heart based on your posts and not only because of that, God the Holy Spirit witnesses to my heart as to who you are in Him rest assured and my post was in response to the other not to you. You didn’t do anything wrong at all, I love and appreciate you in Christ and can’t wait to meet you face to face in Heaven. May the Lord strengthen you, keep you for He is our buckler and shield. I love you sister in Christ, you have been a blessing to me and to others 🙂 wish there was an icon of hugs here, would send you one but anyway hugs, hugs, and hugs in Yeshua’s Name.

          • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

            Thank you! We will meet in heaven one day. I love you sister in Christ as well. Hugs in Yeshua’s Name!

    • Mike Wellein

      Stupid fucking bigot.

  • Bertha Warren

    He probably read Roman 1: 18-32. These are many verses, that will call out our disobedient
    and rebellions against a Holy Living, creation of all thing God.

    • Tim Hunter

      Timothy N. Hunter

      1 hr ·

      The National Association of Evangelicals turned their backs on me after their Washington representative (then, Rev. Rich Cizik) went down to the Clinton White House Office of Public Liaison, after which Rich dropped any interest in my disclosures and didn’t return calls. Since Woodrow Wilson the State Department has called for the primacy of diplomacy over the use of force, and the right of Free Speech by officials. The Foreign Service Act of 1980 even says that members of the Foreign Service “are entitled to the fullest measure of due process.” When I was a diplomat in the State Department under President Clinton I spoke up with policy disagreements about the Administration’s supporting Saudi Arabia’s mission of spreading terrorist ideology and training terrorist organization’s in the Saudi desert and I reported to the State Department Inspector General that the Diplomatic Security staff were leaking the names of Catholics secretly holding Mass in the Jeddah Consulate-General to the Saudi G-2 (secret police). 45 miles from Mecca. I was immediately sent back to Washington to an obscure job in Washington by the Secretary of State, a member of Clinton’s cabinet. When I reached out to the agency that protects whistle blowers (US Office of Special Counsel) the Clinton Administration sent gun-toting men from the Bureau of Diplomatic Security to force me out of my office, seize my diplomatic credentials, government cards and my building pass. However, since the gunmen had no legitimate authority, they forced my supervisor to participate in their “diplomacy”… My then-attorney presented the facts to the Clinton-appointed Secretary of State organization, the Foreign Service Grievance Board, but the Clinton officials refused to make a record of the testimony, in violation of the rule of law, or to go to arbitration and used political influence to immobilize my Union representatives. I was terminated unlawfully (no one would sign the termination paperwork) and by the use of threats of force by government gun men…My then attorney “ran to the courthouse” and asked for a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) from Federal District Judge Stanley Sporkin, former General Counsel of the C.I.A. after several meetings the judge decided to use the “learned helplessness” approach …he could NOT “understand” my attorney’s brief! The US Attorney at the time was former judge Eric Holder, who later became Attorney-General of the US, and government lawyers followed his directives. Subsequently, the Washington Post reporter, Thomas W. Lippman, said he had researched the situation but that at the request of Clinton officials in the State Department, he had “killed it”. Most journalists have followed that approach… Hon. Timothy N. Hunter US FOREIGN SERVICE (locked out 4/21/95) PO Box 22368 West Palm Beach, FL 33416-2368

      • Bertha Warren

        Please Mr. Hunter, do not give up. Please continue in prayer and supplication. I do not believe Jesus has put, you this road, if not have a plan. If you read New Tesatment the disciples and Jesus had opposition. Jesus did not say we were not going to opposition. When you get discourage, go in to prayer and Ask Jesus, for your next direction.

      • Bertha Warren

        Oh by way Mr. Hunter the Bible says we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high place. For us to put on fuller armor of God. We will be able withstand those fiery dots when come your way

  • Judy Zwyghuizen

    I Hope GOD was their during this meeting we don’t need pervert’s in the ladie’s restroom! that might harm or think sexual misbehavior to our women in this nation at all!
    Thank You Jesus! AMEN!

    • TheBottomline4This

      This article is about homosexuality, not the trans. I don’t think any homosexual men are a threat to women.

      • PastProdigal

        But you don’t know.

        • Theodore Fenton

          But you don’t think.

        • Jolanda Tiellemans

          Seriously?

        • TheBottomline4This

          Yes I do.
          Now if you mean a man could pretend he is a homosexual, but then do something to a woman…sure. The gay men I have known wouldn’t think of doing anything to a woman.

      • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

        Trans also engage in homosexual sex acts.

        • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

          I know three men who are Trans. One has a wife. When she became his wife she told him to stop. He never did. Even though it hurts her, she is still with him. Love can be strange. Loving him hurts her.
          Another one is Gay. He never had surgery but used to dress up as a woman. Something happened to him “long story” He stopped dressing up.
          The third one had surgery. This one is into both men/women.
          I Pray that they are Delivered and get saved before they die.

  • Judy Zwyghuizen

    They need a seperate bathroom for those type whom don’t know what sex they are born with!

    • TheBottomline4This

      This article is about homosexuality, not the trans. I don’t think any homosexual men are a threat to women.

      • Josey

        they also make a choice, it is all one agenda regardless, all rebellion from the fallen one who taught them rebellion.

        • John N

          So did you. You also made a choice when you decided to be a christian.

          In fact, you chose a religion that requires you to discriminate other people that are different from you. You chose to belief in a book that condones slavery, the oppression of woman, genocide, infanticide and rape. You chose to follow a god that supposedly murdered all of humanity to correct for his own mistakes.

          So even if gender and sexual orientation would be a matter of choice, what gives you the right to judge on the choices and morality of other people?

          • Joe

            Since were on the topic of choosing, you chose to be a child of disobedience and ruled by the prince of the power of the air (aka satan)
            With that being clarified every negative example you listed above were choices made by men who were given freewill by a Holy, Just and Righteous God. Oh and by the way don’t concern yourself with man’s judgement but with the Almighty Lord Jesus Christ’s righteous judgement when you die.

          • John N

            >’…you chose to be a child of disobedience and ruled by the prince of the power of the air (aka satan)’

            Since satan is a mythological figure designed by religious leaders to manipulate their followers, the above statement is nonsense.

            >’… very negative example you listed above were choices made by men who were given freewill by a Holy, Just and Righteous God.’

            Choices? No. Your bible commands them. What kind of Holy, Just and Righteous God would command their followers to hold slaves, oppress their woman, slaughter their enemies and rape their virgins? What kind of Holy, Just and Righteous God murders all of his creation because he himself did a lousy job with creatng them?

            >’Oh and by the way don’t concern yourself with man’s judgement …’
            I don’t, if you don’t concern yourself with putting your bible into laws and try to discriminate other people based on your immoral beliefs.

            And again, what kind of Holy, Just and Righteous God would torture people for eternity because they used their so-called ‘free will’ and decided not to believe? Doesn’t look very just or righteous to me.

          • Joe

            Show me in scripture were men are commanded by God to sin.Back up your biblical examples with the book,chapter and verse and present it in its proper context.

          • Joe

            I thought you didn’t care about man’s judgement? Double speak at its best!

            >’Oh and by the way don’t concern yourself with man’s judgement …’
            I
            don’t, if you don’t concern yourself with putting your bible into laws
            and try to discriminate other people based on your immoral beliefs.

          • John N

            Sin is a religious concept, invented by christians, with no consequence in the real world. I don’t care to search in your holy book where your god commands his people to not follow his will, but even that would not surprise me.

            I was talking about the choices made by christians to follow a religion, a book and a god that show a standard of morality far below to what we have today – like condoning or even commanding slavery, oppression of women, genocide, infanticide, rape … but still believe they can put that standard on other people.

          • Joe

            So you reference the Bible to make your claims yet you have never read it and have know idea what’s contained there in.. Quick modern era history lesson for you. Have you ever heard of Stalin,Hitler,Pol Pot,Isis as well the millions upon millions of aborted babies since biblical times. And your claim that sin (good and evil) is a religious concept is absurd. Here is some advice, quit worrying about Christians and our bible. Isn’t their a good atheist site that you can spout off on?

          • John N

            Oh, I have read enough of the bible to know what it contains. You don’t have to be a christian to read your holy book, you know. In fact, you shouldn’t be a christian – believers tend to skip the ‘difficult’ parts of it or just try to rationalize them away. I just thought you wouldn’t want an unbeliever teach you from your own holy book …

            >’Have you ever heard of Stalin,Hitler,Pol Pot,Isis …’

            Yes, I have. How convenient of you to compare them to your bible god; I couldn’t have done it any better. Now, my question to you: only a few people think Stalin,Hitler,Pol Pot,etc. were morally ‘good’. Your god on the other hand, who has supposedly murdered many more people than those three together and has a standard of morality dating from the bronze age, is considered ‘good’, ‘just’ and ‘righteous’ by millions of christians. How comes?

            >’And your claim that sin (good and evil) is a religious concept is absurd’

            I guess you don’t even understand the concept of ‘sin’. It has nothing to do with good and evil. It is a violation of your specific god – Yahweh’s – will and has therefore no meaning outside your religion.Most of your ‘sins’ are even not punishable by law.

            >’Here is some advice, quit worrying about Christians and our bible. ‘

            Oh, I would love to. As soon as christians like Josey and yourself stop claiming homosexuals and transexuals are ‘sick’, ‘perverts’ and so on, stop meddling with other people’s live and stop trying to push their religion upon us like we are all living in a theocracy, I will stop worrying about you immediately. Promised.

          • Tim Hunter

            Timothy N. Hunter

            1 hr ·

            The National Association of Evangelicals turned their backs on me after their Washington representative (then, Rev. Rich Cizik) went down to the Clinton White House Office of Public Liaison, after which Rich dropped any interest in my disclosures and didn’t return calls. Since Woodrow Wilson the State Department has called for the primacy of diplomacy over the use of force, and the right of Free Speech by officials. The Foreign Service Act of 1980 even says that members of the Foreign Service “are entitled to the fullest measure of due process.” When I was a diplomat in the State Department under President Clinton I spoke up with policy disagreements about the Administration’s supporting Saudi Arabia’s mission of spreading terrorist ideology and training terrorist organization’s in the Saudi desert and I reported to the State Department Inspector General that the Diplomatic Security staff were leaking the names of Catholics secretly holding Mass in the Jeddah Consulate-General to the Saudi G-2 (secret police). 45 miles from Mecca. I was immediately sent back to Washington to an obscure job in Washington by the Secretary of State, a member of Clinton’s cabinet. When I reached out to the agency that protects whistle blowers (US Office of Special Counsel) the Clinton Administration sent gun-toting men from the Bureau of Diplomatic Security to force me out of my office, seize my diplomatic credentials, government cards and my building pass. However, since the gunmen had no legitimate authority, they forced my supervisor to participate in their “diplomacy”… My then-attorney presented the facts to the Clinton-appointed Secretary of State organization, the Foreign Service Grievance Board, but the Clinton officials refused to make a record of the testimony, in violation of the rule of law, or to go to arbitration and used political influence to immobilize my Union representatives. I was terminated unlawfully (no one would sign the termination paperwork) and by the use of threats of force by government gun men…My then attorney “ran to the courthouse” and asked for a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) from Federal District Judge Stanley Sporkin, former General Counsel of the C.I.A. after several meetings the judge decided to use the “learned helplessness” approach …he could NOT “understand” my attorney’s brief! The US Attorney at the time was former judge Eric Holder, who later became Attorney-General of the US, and government lawyers followed his directives. Subsequently, the Washington Post reporter, Thomas W. Lippman, said he had researched the situation but that at the request of Clinton officials in the State Department, he had “killed it”. Most journalists have followed that approach… Hon. Timothy N. Hunter, Lieutenant-Colonel US FOREIGN SERVICE (locked out 4/21/95) PO Box 22368 West Palm Beach, FL 33416

          • Amos Moses

            “Sin is a religious concept, invented by christians, with no consequence in the real world. ”

            LOL! ……….. yeah ….. Riiiiight ………… and the evidence? …………. Sorry … does not bear that out ……………… but keep swinging slugger …….. you only have two more strikes to go …………

          • John N

            Evidence? Like for sin having no meaning in the real world?

            Easy. Sin is a violation against your god. In absence of any evidence for your god, sin is therefore without any real meaning.

      • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

        Trans also engage in homosexual acts.

        • Ronald Carter

          No they don’t. Transgendered doesn’t mean homosexual.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Don’t transvestites(= technically men) like to be screwed from behind by men or gay-men.?
            Don’t Tom-girls(or trans-girl) like to screw their lesbian girlfriends from the front, eg with their fingers, tongues or the thing that vibrates.?

          • Ronald Carter

            Transvestite does not mean transgender. And no, they are often not gay men.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            From Miriam Webster dictionary website: …….

            Definition of transgender

            : of, relating to, or being a person (as a transsexual or transvestite) who identifies with or expresses a gender identity that differs from the one which corresponds to the person’s sex at birth.
            _ _ _ _ _ _ _

            Behaving like women, transvestites often engage in homosexual acts, ie being sexually-penetrated from behind by men or gay-men..

    • Josey

      They know exactly what sex they are, they just refuse to accept it and rebel against God’s Holy word concerning it. They pretend they are just good ppl who are victimized by racial bigots while their advocating the use of the opposite facility they want to use has nothing to do with being born with a skin color in which one does not have a choice, they choose this abomination knowing full well what sex they really are. They want to suck in those who are gullible (not knowing any better) and force those who believe in God’s word into their sick reality and they want to pervert our children in the schools and in this Country. Tares grow up with the true wheat and look similar until right before harvest in which tares suddenly start turning black in color and the wheat becomes more golden. We should notice that these tares are becoming darker as they refuse the light of Christ and we can clearly see the tares for what they are especially in the church where this abnormality is spreading through the pulpits down to the sunday school teacher to the hearers and we also can see Christ’s followers turning golden as the light of God shines brighter upon us, glory to God. This is another sign of how close the harvest is where God will send His angel to gather up first the tares to be bundled and cast into the fire where there will be gnashing of teeth and eternal torment and the wheat will go into the eternal blessings of the Kingdom of God promised us. I would suggest to any follower of Christ if you are in these churches who reject God’s word and truth and justify it with excuses, get out of there, Ichabod is upon their doorposts. Find fellowship with believers who believe God’s word and obey Him w/out fear or excuse, be bold for God will uphold you by the right hand of His righteousness (Isaiah 40) and God will sustain you. Jesus said in Matthew 18:20 For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. Remember He said nothing about a church building, it doesn’t matter what the building is where you meet, He will be in the midst of those believers, encourage each other in God’s word and through prayer for one another, let the Holy Spirit lead you.

      • CPL71

        Very well stated!!!

  • Bertha Warren

    Hebrew 4:12 says God Word is active and live, sharper than any two- edge sword cut deep as the place where soul and spirit meet, where joint and marrow meet. God’s Word judges a person thought and intention. No creature can hid from God. Everything is uncovered and exposed for Him to see. We have beware He created everything he knows everything He made.

  • james blue

    As a Christian it is illegal for businesses to discriminate against me refusing goods, services, employment etc. no matter how much they disagree with my faith. I am protected by big government anti discrimination and public accommodation laws. Employers are even required by law to make “reasonable accommodations” for my faith even if they disagree with my faith.

    WHY?

    Matthew 7:12
    When we stop expecting to be protected from discrimination ourselves, when we stop demanding others accommodate us, then, and only then, can we complain about anti discrimination laws.

    • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

      What u stated, mostly only apply in liberal Blue States, n not in conservative Red States. The US Constitution has no such laws or the liberal Blue States hv misinterpreted the US Constitution n 1964 Civil Rights Act to pander for votes.

      • james blue

        So It’s legal to refuse goods and services to someone because they are Christian in red states? Employers do not have to make “reasonable” accommodations for religious beliefs in red states?

        • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

          For LGBTQs, yes.

          1964 Civil Rights Act:

          Title II
          Outlawed discrimination based on race, color, religion or national
          origin in hotels, motels, restaurants, theaters, and all other public
          accommodations engaged in interstate commerce; exempted private clubs
          without defining the term “private”

          ( A small local store that is not engaged in interstate commerce is not covered by this Act.)

          Title VII
          Title VII of the Act, codified as Subchapter VI of Chapter 21 of title 42 of the United States Code, prohibits discrimination by covered employers on the basis of race, color, religion, sex or national origin (see 42 U.S.C. § 2000e-2[41]).
          Title VII applies to and covers an employer “who has fifteen (15) or
          more employees for each working day in each of twenty or more calendar weeks in the current or preceding calendar year” as written in the Definitions section under 42 U.S.C. §2000e(b).
          Title VII also prohibits discrimination against an individual because
          of his or her association with another individual of a particular race,
          color, religion, sex, or national origin, such as by an interracial
          marriage.[42] The EEO Title VII has also been supplemented with legislation prohibiting pregnancy, age, and disability discrimination (See Pregnancy Discrimination Act of 1978, Age Discrimination in Employment Act,[43] Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990).

          ( Sexual orientation is not covered by this Act, except by local State laws in most liberal Blue States. Small employers with less than 15 employees r not covered by this Act.)

          • james blue

            You seem extremely confused. Try reading the question I asked again (or even actually reading it), because I asked a specific question.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Wasn’t u implying that the legal protection given to Christians from being discriminated against should also be given to the LGBTQs.? (as advocated by yr previous posts)
            ……. So, my point is that the US Constitution n 1964 Civil Rights Act do not give legal protection to the LGBTQs from discrimination, only by the laws of the vote-pandering liberal Blue States.

          • james blue

            Nope, try reading again.

  • Sophie Maele

    Americans need to know who these GOP members were. Why the secrecy? Don’t voters have a right to know what their representatives are doing?

    • NGN2

      There’s no secrets. This info is easily accessible online

    • Amos Moses

      cwfa. Delete this space. org/forty-three-republicans-help-obama-push-the-transgender-agenda/#sthash.uJeoPFx7.2BJYqUx3.dpuf

      • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

        aka Rinos.

  • PastProdigal

    I’m surprised he was allowed to read any Scripture at all in Congress, especially one condemning homosexuality.
    I’m disappointed in the republicans that caved. But what else is new?

    • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

      The US Constitution does not prohibit a US Congressman from exercising his/her religion, eg by quoting Holy Scripture or praying.
      …….It only prohibits US Congress or govt from making laws to establish a State religion, ala the Church of England n the Lutheran Church of Germany or Sunni Islam of Saudi Arabia..

  • SFBruce

    It’s important to note that Sean Maloney’s side won: gay people are still denied any federal protection against discrimination. In light of that, I don’t know why he felt the need to go on a self-righteous tirade against his follow Republican congressmen who took a different view. Congressman Maloney is perfectly free to hold whatever religious beliefs his conscience dictates, but he should know this is not a Christian Theocracy, and the Bible can’t be the single basis for our laws and public policy.

    • Theodore Fenton

      As I understand it, Rep. Allen of Georgia is the one who had the fit of religious hissy at his fellow Republicans.

      • Amos Moses

        Guess it takes a “hissy” to know a “hissy”……..

    • Amos Moses

      “and the Bible can’t be the single basis for our laws and public policy.”

      Yes, it can …………. and is ………….

      • SFBruce

        That’s just factually incorrect. While you might want things to be that way, our constitution guarantees freedom of religion, which means the government must neither promote nor hamper a particular religion.

        • Amos Moses

          Freedom of religion in what context? No that is not what its original intent was or is ………. but it may be your desire for that …………… the “way i want it” is not at issue …….. you are HISTORICALLY incorrect …

          Supreme Court Justice Joseph Story –

          § 1871. The real object of the (1st) amendment was, not to countenance, much less to advance Mahometanism, or Judaism, or infidelity (Atheism), by prostrating Christianity; but to exclude all rivalry among Christian sects, and to prevent any national ecclesiastical establishment, which should give to an hierarchy the exclusive patronage of the national government. It thus cut off the means of religious persecution, (the vice and pest of former ages,) and of the subversion of the rights of conscience in matters of religion, which had been trampled upon almost from the days of the Apostles to the present age. The history of the parent country had afforded the most solemn warnings and melancholy instructions on this head; and even New England, the land of the persecuted puritans, as well as other colonies, where the Church of England had maintained its superiority, would furnish out a chapter, as full of the darkest bigotry and intolerance, as any, which could be found to disgrace the pages of foreign annals. Apostacy, heresy, and nonconformity had been standard crimes for public appeals, to kindle the flames of persecution, and apologize for the most atrocious triumphs over innocence and virtue.

        • Amos Moses

          Justice David Josiah Brewer (143 U.S. 457-458, 465-471, 36 L ed 226): “This is a religious people. This is historically true. From the discovery of this continent to the present hour, there is a single voice making this affirmation. The commission to Christopher Columbus … (recited) that ‘it is hoped that by God’s assistance some of the continents and islands in the ocean will be discovered’ …

          “The first colonial grant made to Sir Walter Raleigh in 1584 … and the grant authorizing him to enact statutes for the government of the proposed colony provided ‘that they be not against the true Christian faith’ … The first charter of Virginia, granted by King James I in 1606 … commenced the grant in these words: ‘… in propagating of Christian Religion to such People as yet live in Darkness …’ Language of similar import may be found in the subsequent charters of that colony … in 1609 and 1611; and the same is true of the various charters granted to the other colonies. In language more or less emphatic is the establishment of the Christian religion declared to be one of the purposes of the grant.

          “The celebrated compact made by the Pilgrims in the Mayflower, 1620, recites: ‘Having undertaken for the Glory of God, and advancement of the Christian faith … a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia’ … The fundamental orders of Connecticut, under which a provisional government was instituted in 1638-1639, commence with this declaration: ‘… And well knowing where a people are gathered together the word of God requires that to maintain the peace and union … there should be an orderly and decent government established according to God … to maintain and preserve the liberty and purity of the gospel of our Lord Jesus which we now profess … of the said gospel is now practiced amongst us.’

          “In the charter of privileges granted by William Penn to the province of Pennsylvania, in 1701, it is recited: ‘… no people can be truly happy, though under the greatest enjoyment of civil liberties, if abridged of … their religious profession and worship …’

          “Coming nearer to the present time, the Declaration of Independence recognizes the presence of the Divine in human affairs in these words: ‘We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights. … appealing to the Supreme Judge of the world for the rectitude of our intentions. … And for the support of this Declaration, with firm reliance on the Protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes, and our sacred Honor’ … These declarations … reaffirm that this is a religious nation.”

          “The right of the citizens to keep and bear arms has justly been considered, as the palladium of the liberties of a republic; since it offers a strong moral check against the usurpation and arbitrary power of rulers; and will generally, even if these are successful in the first instance, enable the people to resist and triumph over them.” (Story, Joseph. Commentaries on the Constitution of the United States. 3 vols. Boston, 1833.)

        • Amos Moses

          EVERY SINGLE state constitution recognizes God in one form or another ………. EVERY ONE of ALL FIFTY ……………

  • Eulene Garland

    Thank God there are still Christians that will take a stand !

  • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

    Typical of Rinos to support the LGBTQs. USA has gone demonic since the 1960s.

    Fyi, most Rinos r elected by the liberal Blue States, n not by the conservative Red States.

  • Brad F

    This thread is amazing. People hate Christianity so much that they continue to believe the stupid lie, “Hitler was a Christian.” Hate causes blindness.

    • Ronald Carter

      No one hates Christianity. They hate when people use their Christianity to control others.

      • Brad F

        Is your NAMBLA site down, granny?

        • Ronald Carter

          Is there any particular reason you’re accusing me of belonging to a pedophile organization merely because I’m challenging your bigotry?

          • Brad F

            Having an opinion different from yours is not “bigotry,” it’s “having an opinion different from yours.” You progs know how stupid you would sound if you said “That guy disagrees with me!” so you have to lie and say “That guy is a bigot!” Calling me one doesn’t make it so. You have this delusion that you call someone a name and they instantly grovel and beg for mercy. Dream on. No Christian on earth gives a moment’s thought to the opinions of people whose whole identity is centered around sexual perversion.

            Since you obviously hate anyone who disagrees with you,
            guess who the bigot is?

            “I’m challenging your bigotry.”
            LOL. Get over yourself, you couldn’t challenge a gnat.

          • Ronald Carter

            Given some of the vile and disgusting names you have been calling me (before editing them to avoid being banned), yes, I think bigotry is a perfectly acceptable word to use.

            Also when you call things that science and most of the civilized world “sexual perversion”, once again I think I am perfectly aware of the kind of person I am dealing with.

          • Charles

            Most don’t agree, the only way you were able to get that garbage through was from activist judges.

          • Ronald Carter

            “Activist judges”, right. Everything is a conspiracy with some of you.

      • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

        If the House Republicans dislike being controlled by Christian arguments, why did they leave instead of answering those arguments? Is being stupid a requirement for being elected to office, or do you learn it there?

        Perhaps scripture is just not answerable, and a force that not even Republicans can deal with.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    “Moreover you shall not lie carnally with your neighbor’s wife, to defile yourself with her. And you shall not let any of your descendants pass through the fire to Molech, nor shall you profane the name of your God: I am the Lord. You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination. Nor shall you mate with any animal, to defile yourself with it. Nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion.” (Leviticus ch. 18)

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    “If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination.
    They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.” (Leviticus ch. 20) Jesus gave sexual offenders unspecified time for repentance, therefore LGBT people are given rights to life and they are not to be persecuted because unrepentant sexual sins are equally hell-bound, but people must never be forced to condone their same-sex “marriage” in anyway. It is a human rights abuse against the truth and a clear conscience. Present Western cultural notion is against the Holy Bible and abnoramally immoral even in the pagan standard. Depraved Western culture will only hasten the world’s doom; the Western powers’ such sexual atrocities must not be allowed in silence, no matter how powerful they are now. It’s incomparably more evil that something like colonization. The Western culture makes global children sexually immoral and brings mental illness. The Western Christians must battle for God’s truth and liberty.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    It’s so tragic that so many Americans and Westerners do not understand the basics of human rights and liberty today. To be able to declare and treat homosexuality and transgender as sin is the truth and human rights and liberty.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    War atrocities are not the only atrocity in existence on Planet Earth. Secular West and their young mental servants’ push of sexual depravity on earth is atrocity against mankind as well. People have rights to purity, morality, and normality. Sexual immorality and abortion bring calamities, moral chaos, sick selfishness, and mental illness as seen on today in rich godless secular nations. Atrocity must be stopped by all Christians living in free world. Liberty is for God’s truth and a clear conscience.

  • Tim Hunter

    Timothy N. Hunter

    1 hr ·

    The National Association of Evangelicals turned their backs on me after their Washington representative (then, Rev. Rich Cizik) went down to the Clinton White House Office of Public Liaison, after which Rich dropped any interest in my disclosures and didn’t return calls. Since Woodrow Wilson the State Department has called for the primacy of diplomacy over the use of force, and the right of Free Speech by officials. The Foreign Service Act of 1980 even says that members of the Foreign “are entitled to the fullest measure of due process.” When I was a diplomat in the State Department under President Clinton I spoke up with policy disagreements about the Administration’s supporting Saudi Arabia’s mission of spreading terrorist ideology and training terrorist organization’s in the Saudi desert and I reported to the State Department Inspector General that the Diplomatic Security staff were leaking the names of Catholics secretly holding Mass in the Jeddah Consulate-General to the Saudi G-2 (secret police). 45 miles from Mecca. I was immediately sent back to Washington to an obscure job in Washington by the Secretary of State, a member of Clinton’s cabinet. When I reached out to the agency that protects whistle blowers (US Office of Special Counsel) the Clinton Administration sent gun-toting men from the Bureau of Diplomatic Security to force me out of my office, seize my diplomatic credentials, government cards and my building pass. However, since the gunmen had no legitimate authority, they forced my supervisor to participate in their “diplomacy”… My then-attorney presented the facts to the Clinton-appointed Secretary of State organization, the Foreign Service Grievance Board, but the Clinton officials refused to make a record of the testimony, in violation of the rule of law, or to go to arbitration and used political influence to immobilize my Union representatives. I was terminated unlawfully (no one would sign the termination paperwork) and by the use of threats of force by government gun men…My then attorney “ran to the courthouse” and asked for a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) from Federal District Judge Stanley Sporkin, former General Counsel of the C.I.A. after several meetings the judge decided to use the “learned helplessness” approach …he could NOT “understand” my attorney’s brief! The US Attorney at the time was former judge Eric Holder, who later became Attorney-General of the US, and government lawyers followed his directives. Subsequently, the Washington Post reporter, Thomas W. Lippman, said he had researched the situation but that at the request of Clinton officials in the State Department, he had “killed it”. Most journalists have followed that approach… Hon. Timothy N. Hunter US FOREIGN SERVICE (locked out 4/21/95) PO Box 22368 West Palm Beach, FL 33416

    • Nidalap

      That’s pretty rough. Sounds like you got a ringside view of the nation’s slide towards third world dictatorship status…

  • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Kingdom Ambassador

    This would have never occurred in 17th-century Christian Colonial America:

    “…Fundamental Agreement of the Colony of New Haven, Connecticut, 1639:
    ‘Agreement; We all agree that the scriptures hold forth a perfect rule for the direction and government of all men in duties which they are to perform to God and to man, as well in families and commonwealth as in matters of the church; so likewise in all public officers which concern civil order, as choice of magistrates and officers, making and repealing laws, dividing allotments of inheritance, and all things of like nature, we will, all of us, be ordered by the rules which the scripture holds forth; and we agree that such persons may be entrusted with such matters of government as are described in Exodus 18:21 and Deuteronomy 1:13 with Deuteronomy 17:15 and 1 Corinthians 6:1, 6 & 7….’….

    “Almost as impressive as New Haven’s agreement are the testimonies to it and other similar documents….

    “Alexis de Tocqueville, Democracy in America, 1835: ‘They [the 17th-century Colonials] exercised the rights of sovereignty; they named their magistrates, concluded peace or declared war, made police regulations, and enacted laws as if their allegiance was due only to God. Nothing can be more curious and, at the same time more instructive, than the legislation of that period; it is there that the solution of the great social problem which the United States now presents to the world is to be found.

    ‘Amongst these documents we shall notice, as especially characteristic, the code of laws promulgated by the little State of Connecticut in 1650. The legislators of Connecticut begin with the penal laws, and … they borrow their provisions from the text of Holy Writ … copied verbatim from the books of Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy. Blasphemy, sorcery, adultery, and rape were punished with death….’23

    “America was exalted in the eyes of the world because of her applied righteousness, embodied in Yahweh’s perfect law. Since 1788, when the United States of America, as a nation, stopped following Yahweh’s laws and began following the laws of WE THE PEOPLE, our legislation has ceased providing righteous instruction to others. Instead, the rest of the world now holds America in disdain. If America hopes to regain her favored status in the eyes of the world, she must return to her original Constitution.

    “McGuffey’s Eclectic Reader, America’s most popular school book in the 1800s, also testified to America’s early form of theocratic government:

    ‘Their form of government was as strictly theocratical insomuch that it would be difficult to say where there was any civil authority among them distinct from ecclesiastical jurisdiction. Whenever a few of them settled a town, they immediately gathered themselves into a church; and their elders were magistrates, and their code of laws was the Pentateuch…. God was their King; and they regarded him as truly and literally so….’24

    “William McGuffey was undoubtedly influenced by the writings of renowned early American preachers such as John Cotton:

    ‘The famous John Cotton, the first minister of Boston … earnestly pleaded “that the government might be considered as a theocracy, wherein the Lord was judge, lawgiver and king; that the laws which He gave Israel might be adopted….” At the desire of the court, he compiled a system of laws founded chiefly on the laws of Moses….’25….”

    For more, see online Chapter 3 “The Preamble: WE THE PEOPLE vs. YAHWEH” of “Bible Law vs. the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective.” Click on my picture, then our website. Go to our Online Books page, click on the top entry, and scroll down to Chapter 3.

  • Herb Planter

    srry to be off topic just thinkin here. just wondering why excatly the jews were called the chosen ppl. chosen because they’ll be play a certin role in major events? such as the pharasies had in killin Jesus. would they be the cause of the anti christ too? cuz i know its marxism thats rotting our country today and the maxrist were jews. dont get me wrong i love jews alot but i understand thats theres a left and right in judism. Or am I wrong about what being chosen means?

  • Shadow_58

    Those that walked out while the scripture was being read have little to “NO” Faith. They could care less if their children or grand children are exposed to the perverts, different sex body parts and more than likely, they could care less if their daughters or grand daughters experiment with sex with a complete stranger. All they care about is their own pockets and bank accounts.

  • mic1969

    LGBT and homosexual agenda, etc. Romans 1, and other passages of the Bible teach us that these kinds of lifestyles are sin. It is a sin even to bring forward such a bill to help LGBT agenda.

  • HCB

    Why is it that these legislators can’t follow the Constitution and protect people’s civil rights, but rather bring their religion into an arena where it doesn’t belong? Now those who may or may not share the same religious beliefs must suffer in their daily lives. Talk about what should be pricking their conscience!

  • Randy131

    Those people who walked out of the policy meeting because they were reminded of the teachings and precepts of their religion, which they were violating by their votes, surely are not Christians who live their faith, but only falsely and preferentially espouse what they want people to think of them, but GOD knows the truth, for their votes are the fruit of their tree, and GOD, as well as other Christians, are watching.