She’s Perfect: Mother Pens Letter to Doctor Who Advised Her to Abort Down Syndrome Daughter

Emmy-compressedSANFORD, Fla. — A gut-wrenching letter written by the mother of a now 15-month daughter who was diagnosed with Down syndrome has gone viral as she shares her heart with the prenatal specialist who urged her to have an abortion.

Courtney Willams Baker of Sanford, Florida told ABC News this week that it took her over a year to write what had been on her heart—a message about the value of life that she wanted to convey even before her baby had been born. At the end of May, she sat down and wrote the letter and carried her daughter out to the mailbox to send off a note to the man who thought her life wouldn’t be worth living.

“I came to you at the most difficult time in my life. I was terrified, anxious and in complete despair. I didn’t know the truth yet about my baby, and that’s what I desperately needed from you,” Williams Baker wrote. “But instead of support and encouragement, you suggested we abort our child.”

“I told you her name and you asked us again if we understood how low our quality of life would be with a child with Down syndrome,” she recalled. “You suggested we reconsider our decision to continue the pregnancy. … The most difficult time in my life was made nearly unbearable because you never told me the truth: My child was perfect.”

Williams Baker said that she does not hold bitterness against the doctor, but is saddened by his low view of human life.

“I’m sad that the tiny beating hearts you see every day don’t fill you with a perpetual awe. I’m sad that the intricate details and the miracle of those sweet little fingers and toes, lungs and eyes and ears, don’t always give you pause,” she wrote. “I’m sad that you were so very wrong to say that a baby with Down syndrome would decrease our quality of life. And I’m heartbroken that you might have said that to a mommy even today.”

She conveyed that her daughter is not a burden as the doctor suggested she might be, but rather a great blessing.

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“Emersyn has not only added to our quality of life, she’s touched the hearts of thousands,” Williams Baker wrote. “She’s given us a purpose and a joy that is impossible to express. She’s given us bigger smiles, more laughter, and sweeter kisses than we’ve ever known. She’s opened our eyes to true beauty and pure love.”

She said that she hoped he would counsel women differently in the future.

“[M]y prayer is that no other mommy will ever have to go through what I did,” Williams Baker stated. “My prayer is that you, too, will now see true beauty and pure love with every life displayed on every sonogram. And my prayer is when you see that next baby with Down syndrome lovingly tucked in her mother’s womb, you will look at that mommy and see me, then tell her the truth: ‘Your child is absolutely perfect.’”

She told ABC News this week that she hopes the letter serves as a catalyst for change.

“I have no idea how the doctor might have reacted to my letter, but I do have faith that God can work any miracle and he can change any heart,” Williams Baker said. “Emmy is proof that children with special needs are worthy and can change the world. She’s doing it right now.”


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  • Weary Warrior

    Just as it was wrong for the doctor to push this mother to abort, it would be wrong to tell a pregnant woman that her unborn child with Down syndrome is “perfect.” None of us is perfect. A Down child is not perfect. Perhaps better to tell that pregnant woman that, although her child has Down, the little one’s life can be good, happy and productive. Perhaps the doctor could explain that Down people ~ as children and adults ~ are some of the sweetest-natured, loving people on earth. But, don’t tell an expectant mother that her Down child is “perfect.” Just give her the truth. If she has a mother’s heart, that will be enougb.

  • Slidellman4life

    This “doctor” missed his calling by 74 years and 4,800 miles.

    • ComeOnPeople!

      He’s when to the Kevorkian school of theology .

  • Josey

    Am glad she didn’t take the docs. advice to abort, what a beautiful little girl!

    • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

      Would u like to hv one.? …, ie a “beautiful” little Down Syndrome daughter.? U can also adopt one.
      …….Maybe, u should also take in beautiful little kids with HIV+, thalassemia, Asperger Syndrome, etc.

      Jesus Christ healed the sick n delivered the crazy demon-possessed. He did not open a welfare home or mental asylum for them to provide long term care.
      ……. Prevention of such congenital cases is better than cure(abortion).

      This is another case of calling something evil, good or calling someone ugly, beautiful.(ISA.5:20)

      • ComeOnPeople!

        Oh my word you are so messed up in your head.

        This child is not evil because she has a physical handicap anymore then a blind child or a deaf child is evil.

        You said, ” Jesus Christ healed the sick n delivered the crazy demon-possessed. ” …. Yeshua needs to heal your crazy demon-possessed mind. You are of your father the devil who calls good-evil and evil-good. Who is a murderer and does not value life because he never will be able to create life.

        You said, “Prevention of such congenital cases is better than cure(abortion).” …… Don’t attempt to quote your twisted version of God’s word while at the same time supporting the killing of the weakest among us.

        You said “This is another case of calling something evil, good or calling someone ugly, beautiful.” …. You are the one according to scripture who is ugly. Ugly is as ugly speaks and does. That little girl is more beautiful then you will ever be.

        • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

          Do u hv a beautiful Down Syndrome child.? Or r u married to a beautiful Down Syndrome women.?
          ……. If not, u should.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Reply no but I have friends who have DS children . There is a DS man who opened his own business and everyone loves to go there because he is the most loving caring person you will ever meet. There are also many DS or retarded adults who do marry . I know of two personally and they both hold down jobs and have two children. Their families love them and don’t seem to care that they are different so why does it bother you so bad. You quote scriptures and yet you do not speak love but hate. The Messiah came for those who are not perfect not for those who think they are. Those who lift themselves up will be brought down low and the least among us will be the greatest one day.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            U sound like those liberals of the Blue States who want to give everybody a “star”, no matter how immoral they r, as long as they vote for the liberals, eg give “stars” to the LGBTQs, iLLEGAL Hispanic/Mexican immigrants, Black rioters or civil “riots/rights” fighters, etc. “Stars” = approval, rewards/benefits, etc.
            ……. Jesus Christ does not save from hell those who do not believe in Him n do not follow Him(= obey His/God’s commandments). Christians who approve of evil-deeds/sins/law-breaking r on precarious ground. Pls see REV.22:14-19, ROM.1:32, 1COR.5:1-13..
            ……. To the scribes n Pharisees, JC was also one hateful man bc He criticized, reprimanded, scolded n cursed them.(MATT.23)

            I was just trying to point out that it is very foolish for 40+ yo women to get pregnant n give birth bc of the high risk of getting a Down Syndrome baby, which likely is a sin/evil-deed bc it is not loving for such an “old” woman to do so to her DS child n to her family.
            …….It’s similar to me trying to point out from the Bible that homosexuality is a sin/evil-deed/law-breaking to those who deny that homosexuality is a sin, esp liberal Christians..
            …….Pls stop trying to make something evil, good n something good, evil.(ISA.5:20) Or pls stop trying to make ugly n disabled DS people, beautiful n abled.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Oh oops now I must reply … Sorry but nope far far from being a liberal and know GOD’s laws very well. I know that sin will not land you a ticket to heaven . I also know that those who profess to know GOD and yet speak as you do about abortion , those with disabilities and the dishonor the elderly , may know of GOD but do not know HIM. LOVE is HIS very essence and character . HE would that none should petition but that ALL would come back to HIM and HIS WAYS.

            The very definition of sin is transgression of the LAW. You do not get to decide what sin is… GOD’s word alone defines sin. Giving life to a Down Syndrome baby is not sin.

            Your version of ugly is so far from the TRUTH and yet you are blind to real ugliness. Real ugliness comes out from the heart and speaks death. To speak as you do is ugly not this little baby. I see a baby, you see ugly. WHY??? Because you only see what is visible and have not grown enough in Messiah to witness what is unseen.

            Again you ramble on about sin and cannot see the sin deep inside you . That little babygirl is innocent but you are far from it.

            Words give life of they destroy. They offer hope to those who have fallen away from GOD or they speak death and condemnation. They offer healing and bind up the broken hearted or offer despair . They say yes you have fallen away from GOD but only return and HE will cover you in HIS blood. Your words can destroy or encourage others.

            GODly love is patient, kind, long suffering, it does not boast & is not selfish nor does it think of itself but of others. You may think your harsh words provoke people to come to GOD but they do the opposite. LOVE is what draws sinners back to GOD. KINDNESS is something any human no mater how depraved takes note of. The GOOD Samaritan didn’t look down on the left for dead man but bound up his wounds and paid for him a place to recover asking nothing in return. By calling a down syndrome baby ugly you show that had you stumbled upon that man in the parable you would have left him to die because he sure weren’t pretty.

            This cranky old supposedly hormonal woman can see right past your lip service and your twisting of the scriptures to spew hate. So no sorry you have it wrong. I’m not a liberal , I don’t cater to sins nor accommodate such , I simply practice the heart of GOD’s LAW… love in hopes that those who have fallen might see the light within me and be drawn back to HIM and HIS ways.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Ahaha this poster will not allow others to respond to their bogus claims. Flag away and delete my responses to your posts it only shows just how one sided you are and your maturity.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Fyi, I did not flag yr post. U may hv made a false accusation.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Nope sorry when a post is deleted at 3AM and only you are the one who keeps posting and only my responses to your post are deleted over and over. It’s obvious . Funny how you just allowed that below your post and yet the other posts denying your bogus claims were deleted over and over. Even after rewording and shortening so yes it’s you. It’s called you like to spew junk and then not have anyone call you on it.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Now, u r accusing me of lying when I said I did not flag yr posts. I think u r really suffering pre-menopause symptoms n may need HRT from a Dr.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            I think you think others can’t see right threw your posts. I think it’s obvious since I have been posting all night and only that post below your bunch of malarky keeps being flagged and deleted. It’s 3 AM and you are the only one up still replying. It’s all good has happened before by others like you. They spew junk and then hate to be opposed or corrected. They spew hate and twist scriptures to fit their hate.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Well, let us let God attests to the truth. The liar or false accuser will get cursed by God, according to the law of ni4ni. Agree.?
            ……. Maybe, the person who actually deleted/removed yr posts or caused them to be deleted will bear witness between u n me. .

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Done playing with you in the sand box. You are so out of touch with reality and just like my deleted post said… you may know of GOD but you don’t know HIM. GOD is love not hate. LOVE doesn’t condemn the sinner love pleads with them to return to GOD and HIS ways. Love does not call Down Syndrome children ugly, does not accept the killing of babies in the womb and it does not dishonor the elderly.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            What about God striking Ananias n Sapphira dead for lying at ACTS.5.?
            HEB.10:31 says it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of God when Christians knowingly n intentionally commit sin.
            …….IOW, God has a limit to His tolerance for sins/evil-deeds/law-breaking. That is why He will be coming back to earth soon, to exact vengeance on all the unrepentant unbelieving sinners/evildoers left on earth after the Rapture of 1THESS.4:16, eg the liberals of the Blue States who approve of their LGBTQs, atheists, etc.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            I know the scriptures quite well so everything you just stated is true. Yet you forget that GOD would that none perish and our commish here on earth is to be a light. Jesus did not condemn man but HE came to show them the way. The whole word of GOD is summed up in one word LOVE. The instructions given were given to draw men back to GOD & Holiness because mankind disobeyed GOD. Disobedience to GOD and HIS ways is what brought death into the world. So HIS laws were given to bless man if they kept them and were a curse to them if they did not. SIN is the transgression of HIS law. All HE desires is for men to turn back to HIM and HIS ways and keep HIS commandments not out of duty but because they LOVE HIM. There will not only be sinners in danger when HE returns to set up HIS kingdom but Christians who did all kinds of things in HIS name and yet they practice lawlessness. So compassion leads a true child of GOD to do everything possible to lead people back to HIM. Jesus sat with a woman who had been married over and over and was living with a man. HE told her what she was doing was wrong yet in such a way that it drew her to HIM. The woman thrown at HIS feet by zealous religious leads , HE helped and protected from those who would condemn her. HE said HE did not condemn her and then said go and sin no more. GOD’s word was never meant to slice and dice people but to teach them how to worship HIM and draw towards HIM. When man fall which you, I and every human will… the love and the grace of GOD is what turns a sinner back to HIM. Do we hate SIN? YES! But do we hate those who transgress HIS laws? NO! WHY? Because in whatever measure you give that is how you will be measured. Whatever you show you shall reap in the end. GOD has given man over 2,000 years to repent and turn back towards HIM and HIS ways since HE made a way for the gentiles to come in . I’d say that is a very graceful and loving GOD. Can HIS children offer the world any less. Judgement will come soon enough and yes all that is not of GOD will be burned up in the fire. What will remain is what is of GOD, Love, peace, Joy, meekness, kindness, etc.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            As Christians, we need to understand that the mission of Jesus Christ/God coming down to earth was to be led by the Holy Spirit to be sacrificed on the Cross, in order for Him to save believers from hell.(ROM.5:12)
            …….The mission of Christians on earth is different, ie not to be led by the HS to be sacrificed. In fact, their foolish sacrificial death will not save anyone from hell. Their mission is to tell others about what JC did for them on the Cross, so that they too can be saved from hell thru faith. With faith in Christ, then comes obedience to the Law, either fully or partially, as per ACTS.15:24-29.

            Salvation unto the kingdom of heaven only occurs after death, ie there will be a resurrection or rapture. Most Christians still hv much living to do on earth b4 their death n resurrection/rapture.

            Problem is, some Christians foolishly follow Christ’s sacrificial path towards the Cross, eg love their enemies, turn the other cheek, walk the extra mile, lend to all who ask, etc but surprisingly they do not pluck their eyes n chop off their limbs.(MATT.5:17-48)
            …….Actually, at MATT.5 JC told the Pharisees that they would hv to do all the above if they reject Him as their Christ/Messiah/Savior but still wanna be saved from hell. IOW, if they had accepted Jesus as their Christ, they would be saved from hell n would not hv to do all those foolish n irrational things.(cf: ROM.12:19-21)

            Hence, bc of misinterpretation of the Bible, we hv liberal Churches that hv gay bishops, gay pastors, LGBTQs n other sinners/evildoers/law-breakers running around the Church, in the name of love n acceptance. More like loving evil, lawlessness, unrighteousness n the devil. (cf: 1COR.5:1-13)

          • ComeOnPeople!

            You don’t understand that I do agree with you on many things but I do not agree in hate. The whole of Torah is summed up in one word LOVE. We are to love GOD and our neighbors as ourselves. We are to speak the TRUTH not as if we are perfect to others but as those who understand that without HIS blood we will be guilty ourselves before HIM. Are we to keep the law? YES but we keep it because of a changed heart via HIS SPIRIT. The New Covenant is the very LAW of GOD no longer written on tablets of stone but on the fleshy tablets of the heart.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Problem is, u were making up LIES by saying that Down Syndrome people r beautiful (outside n inside) n not mentally-disabled. It is illogical to say that mentally-disabled people hv inner beauty bc mentally they r not normal. It’s like saying that those who r suffering from madness, schizophrenia, Parkinsons, Alzheimers n dementia hv inner beauty.
            ……. It is evil to love others based on lies, eg to love unrepentant unbelievers/homosexuals by telling them that they will not be sent to hell.

            ROM.9:13 = As it is written, “Jacob I hv loved, but Esau I hv hated.”

            MATT.5:43 = “U shall love yr neighbor (/friend/family) n hate yr enemy.”

            HOSEA.9: =

            15 “All their wickedness is in Gilgal,
            For there I hated them.
            Because of the evil of their deeds
            I will drive them from My house;
            I will love them no more.
            All their princes are rebellious.

            16 Ephraim is stricken,
            Their root is dried up;
            They shall bear no fruit.
            Yes, were they to bear children,
            I would kill the darlings of their womb.”

          • ComeOnPeople!

            You just don’t get it.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Fyi, when I tried to reply to this post of yours …”Seems you are overly trying to explain why it was deleted. hmmmm As to my posts ever having anything in them obscene, ….”, …. my reply did not go thru n I got a notification that yr post has been removed by a moderator.
            So, this means that u were likely making …….

          • ComeOnPeople!

            No I gave up on trying to help you and deleted all my posts replying to those posts myself. After a while you just grow weary with bashing your head against a brick wall. Good day to you.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            No.
            …….Yr post that got removed by a moderator n not by yrself was this post of yours, ie [ “”Seems you are overly trying to explain why it was deleted. hmmmm As to my posts ever having anything in them obscene, ….” ],
            which was yr reply to this post of mine, ie { ” How do u know that yr posts were flagged by others.? When a post has
            been deleted/removed, it does not necessarily mean that it has been
            flagged by someone. …” }.

            This fact is quite evident by looking at the thread of posts, ie this specific post of yours was not deleted by yrself, but by a moderator.

            The other posts of yours were deleted by yrself as u hv mentioned, ie as evidenced by the notification, “This comment has been deleted.”

            Likely, u deleted yr own posts bc u hv just been proven wrong or guilty in yr suspicions n accusations against me flagging yr posts n lying about it.
            …….It’s like a criminal trying to get rid of incriminating evidence.
            Luckily, u can’t delete my related posts by just flagging them.

            Seems, u r a very self-righteous woman.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            NOPE sorry A bold face LIE. I deleted MY POSTS because I was hitting a brick wall with you and tired. I deleted them from the top downward. GO LOOK and you will see that all of them were deleted. Nope not self righteous at all but I am very tired of dealing with someone who has more hate in them then love , is disrespectful of others and is just over all a pain in the gluteus maximus .

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Seems, u r as stubborn as the scribes n Pharisees.
            ……. Well, God will be the judge between u n me, ie wrt yr accusations that I had flagged yr posts n was lying about it.

            Remember, all of us r children of the devil while still living on this rotten earth, ie we often involuntarily harbor immoral hate, anger, suspicions, accusations, greed, selfishness, sexual lust, jealousy, envy, fear n doubts in our hearts n minds.(JOHN.8:44, MARK.7:21, MATT.16:23 & 23:27) This is our inherited or inborn Adam’s Original Sin.(ROM.5:12 & 3:23) That is why we r bound for hell, unless we hv been saved by Jesus the Christ/Messiah.
            …….It is not just our voluntary sins/evil-deeds like murder, adultery, stealing, perjury/lying, etc committed with our eyes, mouths n limbs that will send us to hell, as falsely believed by the Jews. IOW, the Jews still thought that they hv been saved from hell by just believing in God/Yahweh n keeping His Law or Moses Law, ie avoid murder, adultery, etc, n no need to also believe in JC.(MATT.5:17-48)

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Shalom

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Same to u.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Fyi, when u reply to a post that has already been deleted/removed, yr reply will not appear or go thru, ie as if yr reply has been deleted/removed. Maybe, that was what happened to u n yr “deleted/removed” posts, ie no one flagged yr post.
            ……. IOW, bc of time difference, u were replying to a non-existent post.

            2 of my posts here got deleted/removed, ie by the moderators. Did someone flag my posts.? Did a hypocrite flag my posts.?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            No your post which I responded to was up long after mine was flagged.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            How do u know that yr posts were flagged by others.? When a post has been deleted/removed, it does not necessarily mean that it has been flagged by someone.
            …….A moderator may directly delete/remove a post without anyone flagging it when he/she happens to read the post n finds it to be breaking the Community Guidelines, eg for using obscene, vulgar or insulting words.

            Seems, u r overly-suspicious of others n easily fall into false-thinking.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Seems you are overly trying to explain why it was deleted. hmmmm

            As to my posts ever having anything in them obscene, vulgar or insulting , sorry but nope won’t ever happen. The post I replied with was all Scripture and in defense of what you seem to think me to be a liberal . I am far far right not left. I don’t cater to sin, rebellion and have no taste for immorality yet at the same time I teach others GOD’s ways in love understanding that I also am not perfect and my sin also nailed the Messiah to the cross. I HATE SIN yet I love people in hopes that I might pull some from the fire.

            Will my posts offend some sometimes who do not believe the same as me ? Well off course they will. But being offended is part of life, we all must sometimes just agree to disagree. Do I flag others? NEVER because I believe all have a right to speak.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            I may have? Or I did?

  • jael2

    Tragically, nearly ninety percent of all DS diagnosis ends in the brutal murder of an infant. The so-called medical professionals who advocate for their deaths will surely reap what they have sown.

    • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

      Blame this mainly on the “elderly” mothers, n not the “advisory” doctors.

  • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

    She is a beautiful little girl. She as every right to be alive as you and I do. It is time to protect these babies both born and unborn! Starting today.

    • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

      No, …women who r past 40 yo should not get pregnant n risk getting Down Syndrome daughters/sons. It is likely a sin/evil-deed for such “old” women to get pregnant bc it will bring harm to the Down Syndrome kid n the family = opposite of love. Prevention is better than cure(abortion).
      ……. Doctors also advise hepatitis C+ women, HIV+ women n married couples who r both tested thalassemia positive to not hv kids.

      • ComeOnPeople!

        I have many many friends who have had babies after 40 with nothing wrong happening to either the baby or her. One even was 48 and her daughter is now 14 and both are fine. We cannot put all of humanity in a box and label it. We are all different individually.

        Advising sick people with diseases to refrain from passing on disease is one thing, a doctor advising perfectly healthy mother to abort perfectly health children with have a handicap is not good advice it’s cruel.

        • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

          “Nothing wrong happening” can be subjective, wrt physical n mental normalcy. It is also possible that babies of 40+ yo mothers will be more likely to develop autism, ADHD, Asperger’s Syndrome, etc n hv a weaker physical disposition, eg clumsy n r averse to sports.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Funny how you have it all figured out. LOL But hate to tell you that NOPE you are wrong again.

      • LilySmith

        Fact: Eighty percent of newborns with Down Syndrome in the US are born to women under 35 years old.

        • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

          Sources, please.

          • LilySmith

            www(dot)globaldownsyndrome(dot)org/about-down-syndrome/facts-about-down-syndrome/

            Number 2 under wheat is the cause of Down syndrome.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Yr source is not based on true facts n official data. Yr source is likely a dubious website with a biased agenda.
            ……. People need to be careful about what they read n quote on the Internet. Many many scams n virus on the Internet.

          • LilySmith

            The CDC website says the same thing, it just doesn’t give the percentage.

        • disqus_O2BUmbLecp
          • LilySmith

            According to your link, “However, the majority of babies with Down syndrome are born to mothers less than 35 years old, because there are many more births among younger women.” The site I linked to will tell you that majority is 80 percent.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Let me give u an analogy about what the CDC numbers say.

            It is common sense that most births r to women who r 35 yo n below, n less births to women who r above 35 yo. Nearly zero birth to women who r above 60 yo.
            Let’s say, there were 15 cases of DS out of 12,000 births to women at 35 yo or below; … n 5 cases of DS out of 2,000 births to women above 35 yo.

            So, of course, the number of DS babies for women who gave birth at 35 yo or below is more than those above 35 yo, … but the chances of getting a DS baby for those above 35 yo r much higher.
            _ _ _ _ _ _ _

            Besides “old” age(above 35 yo), an unhealthy lifestyle, stressful lifestyle, alcoholism or drug-addiction can also cause women to hv a Down Syndrome baby or other forms of deformed babies.

          • LilySmith

            I know all that. The fact remains that the majority of Down syndrome births, 80 percent according to one source, are born to women under 35 years old. To tell women over 35 not to have a child because there is an increased risk of having a Down syndrome baby will not significantly lower the number of Down syndrome children born.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Well, if people like yrself r always encouraging women past 40 yo to hv babies bc of yr warped reason, the number of Down Syndrome babies born to women past 40 yo will definitely increase.
            …….Is it a good thing or an evil thing for the world to hv more such ugly n mentally-disabled children.?

          • Cheryl M

            Wait. On an article about this beautiful, sweet child, you dare ask is it a good thing or an evil thing for the world to have “more such ugly n mentally-disabled children”? It’s a GOOD thing for the world to have fewer children murdered. It’s a GOOD thing for the world to have more of these sweet children. Their families’ lives can be hard, but the children are a blessing to their families and to all who know them.

            And BTW, I’m one of the three healthy children born to my mom when she was past 40. Not all past-40 births result in birth defects. The vast majority do not.

  • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

    It is a scientific fact that Down Syndrome babies usually “afflict” women who r past 40 yo. Why.? …Bc the physical condition n health of such “old” women r deteriorating.

    Why did God set the age of puberty at around 12 yo when girls r able to get pregnant n give birth.? Bc most girls/women r at their healthiest n peak physical condition while in their teens, twenties n thirties. That is the time that they hv been programmed by God to hv kids, n not while in their 40s n 50s. Imagine a retired US woman caring for her baby or kid for the next 15 years until he/she can be independent. That is also why God set the age of menopause at around 50 yo when women r no longer able to get pregnant n give birth.

    From her FB page, Courtney Baker was likely past 40 yo when she had her Down Syndrome daughter bc she also had teenage daughters during that time. It was very foolish for her to get pregnant at that age n risk getting a Down Syndrome daughter or son. Prevention is better than cure(abortion).
    ……. She’s just lying to herself n consoling herself that her quality of life has improved. Wait till her Down Syndrome daughter is in her teens, 20s till 40s. She won’t be a bundle of joy anymore, but a sack of burdens. Who is going to be her full-time caregiver n financial support.?

    This is another case of calling something evil, good.(ISA.5:20)

    • Nidalap

      Kinda like calling abortion a “cure”, huh?

      • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

        Well, execution or murder is also a “cure” for murderers in some US states n many other countries.
        …….Of course, prevention is better than cure, ie moral n religious education, n the deterrence of the law of ni4ni.

    • Michelle Evans

      Did you forget about Abraham’s wife whom GodBLESSED with a baby? She was in her 80’s. Abortion is NOT a cure!

      • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

        Well, God miraculously gave feeble n 80 yo Sarah a normal baby, n not a [email protected] Down Syndrome baby. It would hv been another curse if He did. Similarly, God gave us the Immaculate Conception.

        Fyi, Abraham n Sarah were half brother/sister n it was the sin of incest when they married n had sex, although they were ignorant about the sin. “Ignorance of the law is no excuse”. Hence, God cursed Sarah with barrenness or infertility.
        …….But God being sovereign or with kingly powers, He pardoned or forgave them n miraculously opened up her womb when she was 80 yo n quite feeble – similar to Jesus Christ forgiving sinners/evildoers/law-breakers by healing or exorcising them. That was why JC told them to sin no more, lest a worse thing come upon them.(JOHN.5:14 & 8:11)

        Women over 40 yo should not tempt the Lord by getting pregnant, just bc of the exceptional case of incestuous Sarah n her healing from the curse of barrenness. Similarly, just bc Moses parted the Red Sea n JC walked on water, Christians should not tempt the Lord by jumping into the middle of the ocean, esp for those who do not know how to swim – or just bc Paul accidentally handled poisonous snakes n did not die, Christians should not tempt …

        • Michelle Evans

          We’received going to have to agree to disagree on this one. Every child is a gift. Sorry but your view on this breaks my heart.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            I’m not hating on the Down Syndrome child. I’m hating on the irresponsible “old” mothers who bring them into the world to suffer n cause myriad problems in caring for such a child = very like a curse from God for such sinful/evildoing mothers..

            ROM.9:13 = As it is written, “Jacob I hv loved, but Esau I hv hated”.

          • Michelle Evans

            God made women to menstruate until a certain age of his choice. Don’t you think that if He didn’t think we should have babies at a cut-off age, He would only allow women to stop menstruating before they were 30? Women menstruate for two reasons. Ability to have children and to cleanse the old blood from our bodies. Women have their periods well into their 40’s and early 50’s

          • ComeOnPeople!

            50 and still not in menopause. Hate to tell O2BU but many times deformities in children and addicted children are born to unhealthy or addicted teens and the 30’s & under crowd. Why because many of the 30’s & under crowd have become infatuated with themselves, with drugs , video gaming and partying. Not all but many are flat out spoil and irresponsible adults but even those babies born by those unhealthy and addicted mothers should not be killed. A society who preys upon the weakest among us will one day prey upon all it’s people and anyone who does not conform to their idea will be aborted from the society they are creating. Study history!

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Seems, women who r near menopause or undergoing menopause become cranky n easily irritated by their spouse bc the estrogen hormone makes younger virile/fertile women love their spouse n be nurturing to their kids n other young ones. Hence, the common term, “crazy old ladies”.

            It’s true about deformed babies of drug-addicted n unhealthy youthful mothers. What u mentioned also prove my point that “old” age can cause mothers to hv Down Syndrome babies.
            …….IOW, “old” age, drug addiction or an unhealthy lifestyle can cause mothers to hv deformed babies.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            You seem to not approve of anyone unless they are of some elect group. Please do tell me who the in crowd is. No no no let me guess… 25 wet behind the ears, those who think nothing will ever befall them to take away their health, oh um they must not have any deformities or be blind or deaf or let’s see ugly. Yes Yes thats it they must look just like all the fake movie stars. Oh and they cannot be down on their luck, they must have money even if it’s from their mean old hard working parents. You are quite the character . Do enjoy your make believe world where every baby with a deformity is killed and where older women (which by the way respectful people affectionately call Grandmothers and elders) are all just crazy old people who are mean to their husbands. I hate to inform you but the older generation actually respect one another and live with their spouses up until the day they die. This crazy cranky old woman has been married to what the world use to call a knight in shining armor for over 34 years …. Oh but I’m sorry not many of those left anymore. You have one mighty opinion of yourself and look down at anyone who does not fit your make believe world. Do have a nice day. Nope not cranky just wise enough to know a pot stirring rambler when I hear one.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Yr ranting just proved that u r becoming a cranky “old” lady. …lol.
            ……. Hv u heard of Hormone Replacement Therapy.?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Have you considered love to replace hate? OR how about a little dose of understanding and kindness? Maybe a bottle of respect and a big jug of wisdom & understanding to wash it all down with.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            Now, u sound like a boozing alcoholic or r addicted to prescription pills like Prince.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Wait can I respond or will you flag this also and have it deleted. Shows that you only care for your views and do not show respect to others. How old are you?

          • Michelle Evans

            She or he refused to answer that question I asked her or him.

          • Michelle Evans

            You do realize that you yourself will not stay young forever? Old age does happen. And fyi..God told us to respect our elders since you seem so learned of the Bible. Did you forget that one?

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            God also created Man to live until about 1,000 yo, eg Noah, but bc of their propensity to commit sins/evil n cause harm, God cut short their maximum lifespan to 120 years.(GEN.6:3)
            ……. GEN.3:16 says Man hv been cursed by God to work for their food. Man may live from 0 to 120 yo. Does this mean that we should work until we drop dead in our feeble old age, eg still working at 80 yo.?
            ……. Similarly, women should not hv babies when they r near the age of menopause. This is common sense or wisdom.

            Maybe, the US military should also be able to draft 80 yo men n women into war.

            Fyi, according to US Law, citizens may work from the age of 14 yo but with restrictions on the maximum working hours.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            You still you know OF GOD but do not know HIM because of your speech… ‘Do you still not realize that with your mouth you bless or you curse others…

            James 3 … My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnationa. For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body. Behold, we put bits in the horses’ mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body. Behold also the ships, which though they be so great, and are driven of fierce winds, yet are they turned about with a very small helm, whithersoever the governor listeth. Even so the tongue is a little member, and boasteth great things. Behold, how great a matterb a little fire kindleth! 6 And the tongue is a fire, a world of iniquity: so is the tongue among our members, that it defileth the whole body, and setteth on fire the coursec of nature; and it is set on fire of hell. For every kindd of beasts, and of birds, and of serpents, and of things in the sea, is tamed, and hath been tamed of mankind: But the tongue can no man tame; it is an unruly evil, full of deadly poison. Therewith bless we God, even the Father; and therewith curse we men, which are made after the similitude of God. 10 Out of the same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing. My brethren, these things ought not so to be. Doth a fountain send forth at the same placee sweet water and bitter? Can the fig tree, my brethren, bear olive berries? either a vine, figs? so can no fountain both yield salt water and fresh.

            Who is a wise man and endued with knowledge among you? let him shew out of a good conversation his works with meekness of wisdom. But if ye have bitter envying and strife in your hearts, glory not, and lie not against the truth. This wisdom descendeth not from above, but is earthly, sensualf, devilish. For where envying and strife is, there is confusiong and every evil work. But the wisdom that is from above is first pure, then peaceable, gentle, and easy to be intreated, full of mercy and good fruits, without partialityh, and without hypocrisy. 18 And the fruit of righteousness is sown in peace of them that make peace.

            It is ONLY GOD who gives life & HE HIMSELF forms each baby in the womb. Who is man to play GOD and say who can and cannot be born or in which whom the LORD forms a child.

            Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man’s mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

            You seem to think you can dictate if HE can or cannot give life in a whom. Sarah as of old age and past the years of child birth and yet GOD gave her a child. GOD knows what HE is doing and each life is a gift from GOD because only HE gives life.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            U seem to lack comprehension. I did not curse anybody.
            ……. I was just stating the truth, ie women past 40 yo hv a higher risk of giving birth to ugly n mentally-disabled Down Syndrome babies = if it really happened, then they hv cursed themselves n their families with suffering a life of caring for their DS child, …similar to a convicted thief cursing himself/herself with suffering a life period in prison. It can also be said that God has cursed the thief n 40+ yo woman for his/her sin/evil-deed/law-breaking.

            Is it wrong for me to state that unbelievers in Jesus Christ will be cursed by God with suffering eternity in hell.?
            ……. Even if I had cursed someone, it will still be God/Jesus who actually judges who deserves to be cursed/punished, n not the one who had cursed. Comprende.?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            I repeat … Giving birth to a child who has a weakness is not sin… but murdering that child is a sin.

            Exodus 4:11 And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man’s mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?

            It is ONLY GOD who gives life & HE HIMSELF forms each baby in the womb. Who is man to play GOD and say who can and cannot be born or in which womb the LORD forms a child.

            Comprende?

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            I did not say that 40+ yo women who gave birth to DS babies should murder them or who got pregnant with DS fetuses should abort/murder them. But most Dr’s would advise such mothers to abort their DS fetuses = like mercy killing.?
            …….I said that it is common knowledge n a scientific fact that 40+ yo women hv a high risk of giving birth to DS babies n if it happened, then such women n their family hv been cursed/punished by God for knowingly sinning by getting pregnant at 40+ yo, n into suffering a life time of caring for their DS child. Why would I say this if I had wanted every DS fetus to be aborted/murdered, ie no need to care for DS children.?

            Even if the child of a 40+ yo woman appears normal, the mother will be in her 60s when her late-child enters college. What an embarrassment for the child to hv an old lady as his/her mother.! The child’s colleagues may ask him/her, “Is she yr grandma.?”

            If a woman truly loves her child, she won’t be having him/her when she’s 40+ yo. Comprende.?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Please go read all your statements on this topic and see that you contradict yourself often, are very disrespectful towards others and rush to judgement . Again the TORAH is summed up in one WORD LOVE. As to an embarrassment … maybe for one who does not understand love but to one who does … not at all. To those who love others from the least of us to the greatest … love overlooks fiscal limitations or disabilities .

            I pray you never have a terrible accident and become disfigured or maybe even slow for you are going to reap the harvest of hate you are planting.

          • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

            ROM.9:13 = As it is written, “Jacob I hv loved, but Esau I hv hated.”

            MATT.5:43 = “U shall love yr neighbor n hate yr enemy.”

            HOSEA.9: =
            15 “All their wickedness is in Gilgal,
            For there I hated them.
            Because of the evil of their deeds
            I will drive them from My house;
            I will love them no more.
            All their princes are rebellious.

            16 Ephraim is stricken,
            Their root is dried up;
            They shall bear no fruit.
            Yes, were they to bear children,
            I would kill the darlings of their womb.”
            _ _ _ _ _ _ _

            Seems, u may also hate God for hating on sinners/evildoers/law-breakers/unbelievers.

            Fyi, God hates these evil people bc He loves those who had been victimized,gives justice to the innocents n avenges them. The Torah or Law n Prophets is also the law of ni4ni.

          • Michelle Evans

            Are you a younger person that is biased about older people?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            I have never seen a more confused person on here then now. One minute disqus-o2bumblcep is quoting scripture and the next saying abortion is a cure and calling anything disagreeable to him/her a sin. I’m done also, dusting off my feet. But thank you for helping me towards that direction.

          • Michelle Evans

            This is the last I will say on this conversation. I promise you that.

  • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

    The horribly unreliable screening test for Down syndrome is a great evil. Since we like to tax and regulate everything, it should be taxed and regulated into non-existence. Doctors should also be sued for offering it, especially if they go on to suggest further and more risky tests that can not advance life, but will fill the greedy pockets of the laboratory.