Georgia Judge Denies Name Change of Woman Who Identifies as Man

Feldhaus Background-compressedATLANTA, Ga. — Attorneys for a Georgia woman who identifies as a man have filed an appeal after a superior court judge denied her request for a name change as it could be misleading and even present potential danger.

In March, Superior Court Judge J. David Roper denied the request of Rowan Feldhaus, 24, who wanted to change her middle name from Elizabeth to Elijah. She had already had her first name changed from Rebeccah to Rowan.

“I don’t know anybody named Elijah who’s female,” Roper said, according to the Atlanta Journal-Constitution. “I’m not going to do that. I’ve never heard of that. And I know who Elijah was—one of the greatest men that ever lived.”

He also told Feldhaus that he felt the first name Rowan was gender-neutral enough, and that changing Feldhaus’ middle name might confuse those emergency personnel and others who need to know the woman’s actual gender.

Feldhaus had supplied the court with confirmation from her therapist that she had been diagnosed with gender dysphoria and that the Aname change was needed as a part of her treatment. She also advised that she was receiving testosterone shots as hormone therapy.

Roper advised that if Feldhaus chose a more gender-neutral name, it might be considered, but he “do[es] not approve of changing names from male to female—male names to obvious female names, and vice versa.” Feldhaus refused.

“I felt insulted and objectified to be told by the court that I would not be able to have the name that my family, my friends, and my co-workers all call me, based on sexist opinions about ‘appropriate’ names,” Feldhaus said in a statement released by Lambda Legal.

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The organization has now filed an appeal in the matter, alleging that Roper abused his discretion and engaged in unlawful discrimination by denying the name change.

“[T]here is simply no evidence that Appellant—who has no criminal record and is serving his country as a sergeant in the U.S. Army Reserves—seeks to change his name for any fraudulent, improper or criminal purpose,” attorney Elizabeth Littrell wrote in filed court documents.

“But there is ample evidence that denying the name change imposes a significant burden on Appellant, exposes him to increased risks of violence and distress, and is contrary to his therapist’s course of treatment to alleviate symptoms associated with Gender Dysphoria,” she said.

According to local laws surrounding name changes, the new name cannot be obscene, racist or confusing to others.

Roper has not commented on the appeal, but some have sided with the judge.

“Bravo for Judge David Roper for standing up for righteousness,” one commenter wrote. “Sad how far America has slipped. And the judgment of God will be on us for allowing this perversion to continue.”

“The judge followed the law. People who want judges to rule by ideology instead of the law are a huge threat to society,” another remarked.

“Finally! A judge with some principles! And a spine! Let’s hope there are more out there!” a third said.


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  • Terah Stout

    We need more judges and people to stand up like that. This has gone too far

    • LadyFreeBird♥BlessedBeTheLord

      It sure has gone way too far.

    • gogo0

      you want more activist judges? remember that next time one stands up for something you dont like.

  • Nidalap

    Ooh…the Left is going to crucify this judge over this. Maybe if he’d said that the name was too Christian-sounding he would have skated by, but now?

  • Becky

    “’I felt…’ Feldhaus said in a statement released by Lambda Legal.”

    Our laws have been broken down and based solely upon how these lost souls feel. Nothing more.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      How they feel plus mountains of psychiatric evidence supporting them transitioning.

      • TheBottomline4This

        You’re so brainwashed…it’s kind of funny really, but sad at the same time.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Why is it funny? Is it false that there is a psychiatric consensus supporting my position?

          • TheBottomline4This

            Anyone can say that Amby. You have no support other than those who agree with your view.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            That would be correct. And “those who agree with me” is the entire medical and psychological establishment.

            Who agrees with you?

        • gogo0

          you know how people say that their belief in god is based on “faith” and not on empirical fact? thats called a “feeling”. this girl’s feeling is that she is a man, your feeling is that there is an invisible omnipotent being that refuses to prove its existence but mandates that everyone follow its laws on fear of eternal torment. her feeling seems rather innocuous to everyone involved in comparison

          • TheBottomline4This

            “you know how people say that their belief in god is based on “faith” and not on empirical fact?” Who said that???

          • gogo0

            many in this forum, sorry for assuming you were one of them.

            reasoning ‘why should anyone believe in god’ eventually boils down to ‘faith’, because it (none of them, to be fair) cannot be proven to a skeptic

    • http://www.bing.com/ Martin Smit

      This one feels insulted. Wouldn’t it be nice if judges considered the feeling of people before they rule against them on the merits of the case? Actually, if they did, we could dispense with judges altogether, and just let people do as they please. Then they would never be offended by a judgment.

  • TheBottomline4This

    You were born Rebeccah and will die Rebeccah. If you can’t accept that Rebeccah, then seek mental help.

    • Slidellman4life

      She needs to regardless.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      He got mental help. His therapy team concluded that what he needed was to transition.

      • TheBottomline4This

        Haha. You wish. She got help from those who agree with trans choice. Not really the best way to go. It’s like an alcoholic going to a bar for help. Nice try though Amby.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Those who agree with trans choice? You mean like the vast majority of the psychological community?

          • TheBottomline4This

            Keep in mind, psycho is the key portion of that word. They are not experts. I know you have been brainwashed into thinking they are, but they’re not.
            Why do you think trans is ok?

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Because it doesn’t hurt anyone. It doesn’t even AFFECT anyone, except the person transitioning.

            Who are the experts in psychology, if not psychologists?

          • TheBottomline4This

            Ah, but see it does hurt someone, the mentally ill one who “thinks” they are the opposite gender/sex of what they were born and will die. They are really hurting themselves…and also when they start forcing others to go along, then they are hurting others too.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            How are they harmed? And what transgender person recruits?

          • Scott Davenport

            they all recruit, idiot….look at the news every day…lgbt this, pervert that…etc….the mental should be helped, not facilitated…….

          • Ambulance Chaser

            What kind of “help” would you like them to get?

          • Ronald Carter

            No, transgenders and homosexuals do not recruit. Because it’s ludicrous to suggest you can convince someone to change their sexuality, which is fixed.

          • Scott Davenport

            wow…do you really believe that nonsense or is this just what you were indoctrinated to believe? People choose to live this miserable lifestyle much as Democrats choose to live their miserable lifestyle. Come out of the dark, people…you soul will be all the happier for it…. 🙂

          • Ronald Carter

            I don’t suppose you have any proof you’d like to present, do you? And now you’re including Democrats in your little witch hunt?

          • Scott Davenport

            birds of a feather, buddamundo… 🙂 And it doesn’t take to keen of a sense of observation… 🙂 Now, go look up another word like ludicrous to try to impress us…. 🙂

          • Ronald Carter

            If the shoe fits, wear it.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            The proof lays within a mans own conscience until he denies it to the point of no longer hearing it. Before a man or woman ever acts out something that is in rebellion to GOD’s instructions , his conscience warns him to refrain. We have a merciful GOD who not only instructs us on how to draw near to HIM but also instructs us on the things that separate us from HIM & because HE is merciful HE gave within every man a conscience. Even without any text to read men in remote places have said that their consciences told them to lay with another man was wrong. So yes man CHOOSES what he acts upon. Thoughts & attractions are in everyone yet the conscience tells us which we should act upon or refrain from acting upon.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            So tell me why do you not see in the news every day straight relationships and their plight ? Why are we and our children constantly bombarded with “homosexuality and transgender is ok accept it ” propaganda in the news , Devil vision and unholy-wood on a daily basis now?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            It’s called mind control if you tell people lies long enough they start believing the lie unless they hold tight to TRUTH.

          • Ronald Carter

            And you don’t see religion as mind control?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            People who study and keep the WORD do not use devil-vision, unholy-wood or news networks to bombard the masses. Most Torah keepers & believers in the promised Messiah simply teach and there is a huge difference. Their teaching is aimed at pointing people back to doing their own study of the WORD. The scriptures are not about mind control but a love story meant to draw mankind back to their CREATOR. Returning to GOD offers a heart change and is a choice based upon the created desiring to have a relationship with their CREATOR. It’s based on love and not control. GOD never controls a mans thoughts because love which is forced is no longer love. GOD desires HIS creation to
            return to HIM not via HIS or others control but via their own choosing
            based upon their own knowledge and desire to know and have a reconnection and relationship with their CREATOR.

          • Ronald Carter

            People who are atheists don’t use devil-vision (whatever that is) unholy wood (whatever that is) or news networks to bombard the masses either. But I rarely have the faintest idea what you’re talking about since your posts are always so chock full of paranoia and nonsense.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            How are they NOT harmed ? And how can you not SEE all the propaganda coming over your devil vision every day now, on your bought off news broadcasts and in your unholy-wood movies?

          • Ambulance Chaser

            So, you have no answers, then.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            I answered you extensively when asked the same question up further in the post. Please go look where you asked this before and the answer to how they are harmed.

          • Jalapeno

            Who should we listen to if not psychologists?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            The WORD of GOD would be a great place to begin.

          • gogo0

            so you can start there, the rest of us in the modern world will start with the on-going results of psychological study

          • Slidellman4life

            In the modern DSM this crap is classified as a mental disorder.

          • gogo0

            and it isnt explicitly addressed at all in the bible. so why should anyone start there?

          • Slidellman4life

            Proof you have never read it.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Rightly so.

          • Jalapeno

            Yeah, that would be kind of silly since not everyone agrees or follows that religion.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Ok then should you reject TRUTH how about listening to your own conscience. Please do not tell me you do not believe in a conscience.

          • Jalapeno

            There’s a difference between having a conscience and subscribing to a certain religion.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            You have a thought that you are a baby and yet you know you are an adult… do you act upon that? Why? You have a thought to sleep with your neighbors wife… do you act upon that? Why? What do you base your choices upon?

          • Jalapeno

            It’s called “morals”.

            People manage to have them even without religion.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            What do you base your morals upon? Your own ideas of right and wrong? Is it right to steal? Oops can’t use that thats not your own thats GOD’s morals…. How about lying? Nope sorry you can’t use that as a moral cause GOD already had that one. Anything you could think up would most likely already be what GOD has said is wrong or right. You did not get your morals out of thin air. Even our laws like t’s wrong to murder are based upon what GOD already had in HIS instructions to mankind.

          • Jalapeno

            Sorry, the bible isn’t the first set of morals. Heck, the golden rule FAR outdates Christianity…and..can pretty easily account for all of the actual decent morals involved. By your standards, that means that the Bible can’t actually use anything that could be covered.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            No I understand that all wisdom and knowledge comes from a righteous Creator and I have no problem with you denying TRUTH. WHY … Because TRUTH denied remains TRUTH and a lie told remains a lie. If you have no absolutes anything and everything goes and man makes his own rules. Through out history any time man strayed from righteous instruction he fell into immorality. It is our CREATOR who formed us in the womb and it is HE who made everything good. If you choose not to accept HIM and HIS ways then by default you choose to choose to be your own god and serve another. It has been said there are no atheist in fox holes… one day when you are in need of help that you find the very ONE you deny.

          • Jalapeno

            So..you’re not trying to pretend like the bible pre-dates any other morality? Good. Baby steps.

            Next, you just need to understand that EVERYONE thinks their own version is truth. Yours isn’t special.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            TRUTH is either absolute or it isn’t TRUTH at all. I have no version… I study scripture and ask GOD to lead and guide me into all TRUTH. The bible says the carnal minded man cannot understand the things of GOD. If a man does not die out to his flesh and follow GOD to the best of his understanding then he will become just as clay in a potters hands that will not allow himself to be what the potter wishes. If he continues to resist the potters hands soon he will become hardened and only fit for the potters field. My truth is not special but HIS TRUTH is & it is an ever constant strength in times of trouble and HIS TRUTH trumps anything I could ever come up with. I was that fox hole dweller and HE proved HIMself and I could never deny the reality HE showed me.

          • Jalapeno

            And other people think that THEY have the truth and yours is wrong.

            So..why should your beliefs get special treatment?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            My beliefs are not based on my own emotions, mans theories , mans opinions or mans religions. What I believe is based upon faith in the ONE who Created me and left an instruction manual to draw near to HIM. Those instructions in there purest form are given not for men to debate but for men to obey. Rebellion to HIS rule has always been mankind problem. Yeah hath GOD said?… This was the lie spoken in the beginning to get mankind to rebel against HIS CREATOR and it remains to this day. I just choose to not take the bait. YES GOD HAS SAID and I will do as HE says because I love HE who gave breathed into me the breath of life.

          • Jalapeno

            Okay..you still didn’t answer the question.

            Why should your beliefs get special treatment?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            I did not answer because I have never ask for special. I was given the choice to serve HIM and I do… it’s that simple. Do I have a say in whether someone disapproves or will not acknowledge their CREATOR themselves? NOPE! Do they have any say in my choice ? NOPE! So your question makes no literal sense and can have no feasible answer.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Does TRUTH need special treatment in order for it to be valid?

          • hamfish

            Oh the sweet,sweet irony. Also, your name is quite rude. What if the people don’t want you to come on them?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Oh the pitiful pitiful ignorance. As to my post name it does not even need to be explanation to anyone with even an inkling of intelligence. Your post comes from a perverted heart .

          • Bob Johnson

            But which Words are best for these sins? – perhaps Leviticus 12:8

            “And if she be not able to bring a lamb, then she shall bring two turtles, or two young pigeons; the one for the burnt offering, and the other for a sin offering: and the priest shall make an atonement for her, and she shall be clean.”

          • hamfish

            Which god would that be? There are over 320,000,000 to choose from.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Try the CREATOR. It’s not to hard for a created being to find it’s source should it truly care to do so. Just because the creature chooses to make it’s own gods does not detract from the ONE TRUE GOD which created them. You are given a free will by HIM and can choose to worship any god you so choose or even yourself. Hell torment will be in the knowing that you could have chosen LIGHT, righteousness, peace and joy. You could have chosen to acknowledge the ONE TRUE GOD but instead you chose to be forever separated from HIM. Where there is no light only total darkness remains. So choose you this day whom you will serve. I have made my choose and it is not one of the gods which men have created or even myself but HE is the GOD who created mankind and loved them enough to give them the option to love HIM in return.WHY? Because LOVE once forced is no longer love.

          • TheBottomline4This

            You wouldn’t like my answer 🙂

          • Jalapeno

            Let me guess…

            Listen specifically to the psychologists who agree with your stance, do some nice cherry picking..

            Or..listen to the religious people because they know better than doctors.

          • Slidellman4life

            Ah, but see it does hurt someone

            Child Chaser knows that. He doesn’t care.

          • TheBottomline4This

            How is Amby a child chaser? I haven’t noticed anything leaning that way.

          • Slidellman4life

            I call him that because about three weeks ago he came on record defending the Rind study, even when presented with the fact the authors were so cool with adults boffing kids. His exact words were, “It doesn’t say what you think it says.”

            I have zero tolerance for the sexual abuse and exploitation of children or those who would defend it.

            There’s nothing to discuss or debate.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Oh my. I agree we shouldn’t tolerate that. Hope it was a misunderstanding.

            Sadly there are some who think being with children is “normal”. Given the way things are heading at some point those with that issue will push for their rights to be protected too. Some are trying to get the age of consent lowered, which is a beginning step in that direction : /

          • Ronald Carter

            I read that exchange, and as usual, you are misrepresenting what actually happened.

          • hamfish

            I think it was an attempt at wit. Granted it was a miserable one.

          • Bob Johnson

            And in this case we may indeed have an activist judge. So many non-issue tasks such as a judge’s signature on a form, a matter that often is handed to the judge in a big stack and the judge clears before morning coffee. These issues now becomes the judge’s personnel opinion. Not only should a judge not have a personal interest (if he did he should recuse himself), but he is directly neglecting experts.

          • ComeOnPeople!

            So you admit that the transgender lie is hurting delusional people . To allow that person to believe a lie and not help them to see reality is being self-centered and without compassion. People who push this perversion care only about their cause and could care less about the people who are suffering from a departure of reality.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            I admitted no such thing.

            The evidence shows that the best hope for transgender people is to transition. Unless you can show me some better evidence?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Come back to reality and live life as you were created to be. Do a study of all the irreversible harm done to gender confused people via hormones, surgeries and isolation. To help them come to terms with the reality of their gender would be to prevent much of the harm that awaits them. Not speculation it’s facts. Just as the Gay lifestyle brings more harm to a male then good and an early grave.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Really? What harm would that be?

          • ComeOnPeople!

            Hormones in order to achieve masculine or feminine effects have been shown to cause abnormalities of hormones, vascular complications, low or high blood pressure, Blood clots, Dehydration and electrolyte imbalance, Liver damage and cancer.

            Now on to surgery… “sex change regret” is far more common than you know. Look it up and you will find a growing community of transgenders who had surgeries and are now forever damaged. The surgeries are life-changing and permanent. The fact is: surgery will not fix the underlying psychological problems that caused the request for surgery. A long-term study of 324 sex-reassigned persons in 2003 in Sweden concluded: Persons with transsexualism, after sex reassignment, have considerably higher risks for mortality, suicidal behaviour, and psychiatric morbidity [diseased state] than the general population. Our findings suggest that sex reassignment, although alleviating gender dysphoria, may not suffice as treatment for transsexualism.

            There is no conclusive evidence that sex change operations improve the lives of transsexuals, with many people remaining severely distressed and even suicidal after the operation, according to a medical review conducted exclusively for Guardian Weekend tomorrow.

            The review of more than 100 international medical studies of post-operative transsexuals by the University of Birmingham ‘s aggressive research intelligence facility (Arif) found no robust scientific evidence that gender reassignment surgery is clinically effective.

            Chris Hyde, the director of Arif, said: “There is a huge uncertainty over whether changing someone’s sex is a good or a bad thing. While no doubt great care is taken to ensure that appropriate patients undergo gender reassignment, there’s still a large number of people who have the surgery but remain traumatised – often to the point of committing suicide.”

            Author David Batty talks about writing his article: The main article in Guardian Weekend was the result of 14 months of investigation, including more than 100 interviews with TS/TG men and women, activists, medics and other experts, as well as ploughing through dozens of research papers going back well over 50 years. I spent 2-8 hrs interviewing the main case studies – worryingly, several people told me I had asked them more about their lives than the psychiatrists who had assessed them.

            Many Psychiatrists and trans themselves say patients who are isolated, dysfunctional, in bad relationships, etc will probably remain so after surgery. Hormones and Surgery do not fix a psychological problems.

            HARM… Transgender lifestyles increase the risk or getting or passing on an STD. Sexually transmitted diseases (STDs) include human papillomavirus, hepatitis A and B, HIV, syphilis, chlamydia, and gonorrhea. Some STDs can be treated, but some can be fatal.

            As to the effect on families… Quotes from Transgenders … “I’m lost about it. None of it is easy. I would have avoided it if I could, the damage to my family is incalculable.” “what I [do] regret is the hurt I have caused my family.” This same guy remembers how it felt when he told his wife he was moving out of their family home in order to live as a woman, “It was, still is, gut-wrenching to even think about.”

            I have done to many studies to list them all but as to the harm to spouses and children the claim of harm done is well verifiable . Do a study and you will find spouses and children left behind as their spouse ( husband/wife ) comes out and destroys the whole unit of the family. So yes any spouse or child who has a husband/wife.. father/mother depart from what made up their family unit will be damaged. This person who leaves all they have been to be something other then that now faces isolation , depression and the hardship of finding a new social group to be a part of. All their friends who built friendships upon who they were no longer know how to approach them because they do not know this other person of which they are presenting . So not only do they loose family relationships but also social relationships. As to those who have always admitted being trans they also remain in a very limited social sphere because most people see them as what they are and not what they say they are. Therefore they must find others who will agree with them. The Emperor has beautiful new clothes effect when indeed he is naked.

        • Slidellman4life

          Put no mind in someone who defends pedophilia, Bottomline.

          The fact of the matter is, gender dysphoria is in the DSM. It’s a mental disorder. Period. Neither a judge, nor anyone else, should have to participate in their sick fantasies.

          • Ronald Carter

            No one is defending pedophilia.

          • hamfish

            Or paedophilia for that matter.

          • Ronald Carter

            If you live in the UK.

        • Jeremy Derby

          Interesting how it seems people here will agree that their is a psychological problem. I would agree with you here, if someone were suffering from depression and suicidal thoughts you don’t give them a gun, just because they think that they should die, you actually work on addressing the psychological problem. For some reason their is an insanity that the majority of psychologist are trying to treat a psychological problem, through cutting up ones body. It wasn’t too long ago when medical professionals thought it was insanity to wash hands when performing surgery or delivering babies. It seems like this is yet just another one of those things that they will eventually realize that insanity of trying to completely alter ones body to match up to a psychological disorder, rather than actually treating the disorder.

          • meamsane

            Even an atheist should be able to understand this simple truth and concede to it’s logic…..but will they is the question?

  • archaeologist

    ahh spoiled person can’t have their way so they blame everyone else for their problems. if they took steps to stop following the transgender deception, they would be better off now instead of wasting the court’s time with such petty nonsense.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Religious liberty includes rights to treat Rowan Feldhaus as Rebeccah Feldhaus, a woman. God made her a woman; she must follow the Creator God’s creation design. Even if she doesn’t, others must not be forced to follow her lie.

    • gogo0

      religious liberty includes rights to impose your thousand year old dogma on others? if so, you are directly supporting muslims equal right to carrying out jihad against nonbelievers.

      • Slidellman4life

        How dare you compare Christians to Muslims, especially in light of what happened in Orlando.

        • gogo0

          we’re talking about religious liberty here, try to stay on topic

          • Slidellman4life

            Nice dodge, but you are not going to get away with it.

          • gogo0

            not dodging anything, i compared muslims having religious liberty and christians having religious liberty merely a day after an islamic atrocity! it doesnt matter when the argument is stated, it’s the same today as it was 20 weeks ago, if christians want to champion the freedom to do or not do anything because their special old book implies something, they cant be surprised when other religions get to do stupid things from their book too.

          • Slidellman4life

            Christians don’t believe in hurting or killing homosexuals. Muslims do. Know the difference.

          • gogo0

            still not the point. try addressing that instead of dodging either the consequence or hypocricy of the much-wanted ‘religious liberty’ laws

          • Slidellman4life

            There is no hypocrisy. You are just trying to use faulty reasoning to bash Christians instead of the Muslims that are out there killing people.

          • gogo0

            nope, not bashing christians. I’m bashing religious liberty legislation that allows people to ignore the law because they read a 2000 year old one they like better

          • Slidellman4life

            And you proved my point. Thanks!

          • hamfish

            You do realise you’re casting pearls before…. well….. ?

          • TheBottomline4This

            There is plenty of evidence if people will just look for it that muslims will kill gays. They hang them, throw them off of buildings, etc. I think the gays and their supporters don’t gripe about that as much because of fear. They know the truth but don’t want to speak out much about it since they know the muslims mean business toward gays.
            I don’t think anyone should be killed because I disagree with them. So wrong.

        • Heidi K.

          AMEN.

      • meamsane

        Please, give me a name of a Christian church or denomination in the US that goes around with a gun to their heads forcing unbelievers to convert or die?

        • gogo0

          thats not the point, the point is ‘religious liberty’ to do whatever you want because your old book directs it. that includes christians stoning adulterers if they please, and other fundamentalists following their old books too

          • meamsane

            Oh it is the point! You compare Christianity with Muslim jihad on the basis of religious liberty, which shows you know nothing about Christianity or religious liberty at all, not to mention the fact that Christianity has nothing at all to do with stoning adulterers!

          • gogo0

            okay, i guess this is too tough, so lets make it simple:
            who do you support religious liberty legislation for?
            how much religious liberty should be allowed?

          • meamsane

            It’s always tough to have a conversation that is based on faulty premises and definitions that are the subject of the discussion. You need to define your terms better and more realistically so that your questions are not faulty as well.

            Is it ok to harm or to help? How is that for simplicity?

          • gogo0

            it’s fairly simple, I can even answer the questions myself to get people started:

            who do you support religious liberty legislation for: either no one or everyone
            how much religious liberty should be allowed: enough that people can practice their religion with no impact on anyone that doesn’t practice that religion

            to answer your question: it is not okay to harm

          • gogo0

            it’s fairly simple, I can even answer the questions myself to get people started:

            who do you support religious liberty legislation for: either no one or everyone
            how much religious liberty should be allowed: enough that people can practice their religion with no impact on anyone that doesn’t practice that religion

          • meamsane

            So this site supports Christianity? It’s a Christian news site!
            Go to an Islamic website and they will be supporting that! So what?
            I know of no Christians supporting barbarism of any kind or from any religion! your perceptions are off, because you got it wrong. You really don’t know what your talking about! Seems to me you really have passionate dislike of Christians?

          • gogo0

            try to focus when reading this, because now I am going to break it down into simple and easy to digest pieces…

            if someone, ANYONE, wants religious liberty legislation that allows them to follow their thousand year old rules, in America that legislation will apply to all religions.
            just because you choose not to partake in the barbaric parts of the bible doesn’t mean others don’t want to.
            the freedom for all the different types of christians to ignore the law to follow the bible in all their different ways will also apply to muslims, wiccans, pastafarians, scientologiests, mormons, santaclausians, and all other religions.

          • meamsane

            You can get off your high horse. I am not impressed with your sense of Intellectual superiority.
            Give me a specific example in a link as to your assertion of Christians wanting specific thousand year old rules in religious liberty legislation? Otherwise your still full of it!

          • gogo0

            wow, okay. here is a very obscure one you probably haven’t heard of. there are these people who refuse to follow federal law and sell a cake to gays because their 2000 year old book says that only men and women marry.
            there was also a little-publicized incident where a county clerk was held in contempt of court for violating constitutional law because her 2000 year old book made her feel like she couldn’t do her job.

          • meamsane

            Yeah, right. Give me a break.
            You don’t need a 2000 year old book to tell that only men and women marry. It’s already written into the physical structure of creation. Everybody knows that, even the non-religious.
            HAHAHA! You liberal fantasists are funny!! Barbarism??? Really!!!

          • gogo0

            ah, because these people’s christianity and the bible definition of homosexuality as a sin is not their argument, right?
            if treating people with equal respect and not caring if gays marry makes me a liberal, I suppose I ought to get my voter registration changed.

          • meamsane

            You do seem to have a problem with the Christian viewpoint
            on the subject, but why? You don’t share that view, so why come into Christians websites like this to read it?
            Respect? It seems to me you don’t have much respect for Christians as I pointed out in my previous post. Respect works both ways.

          • gogo0

            i find it fun to debate and argue, and coming from a christian background gives me more insight than i would have with other religions.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Religious liberty is for declaring God’s objective truth, not supporting bored Americans’ amusement with falsehood. This woman is a woman and never a man. If you guys have ever went through some real hunger, you wouldn’t have supported this kind of mental illness. Enough of spoiled rich people’s stupid amusement in USA. You guys are such a pain to serious mankind on Planet Earth. It is wrong to harm anyone for having a different religion or no religion; mankind learned fairness from the Holy Bible and the Christian compassion.

        • james blue

          Here in the USA, the supposed land of the free, we have the right to go by whatever name we choose without agenda driven government officials interfering because it offends their personal sensibilities.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            That’s because Americans were honest before. No freedom for liars. This level of lies belong to jail or mental hospital. She has no rights to make me treat her as man because truth is that she is a woman. Enough of rich pervs’ atrocities.

          • james blue

            You are free to not approve of transgenders. You are free to not approve of gays, non Christians or any person or act they commit. You are free to not approve of the way others live their lives, but you are not free to force them to live by your faith.

            However I made no comment about gender, I simply stated that we have the right to go by whatever name we choose without agenda driven government officials interfering because it offends their personal sensibilities. Doesn’t matter what gender, faith or race you are, you can go by and be officially known by any name you choose.

        • gogo0

          religious liberty for christians alone is called a theocracy, fortunately thats not what america is no matter how much you pray for it to be

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            All former British colonies and UK itself are a theocracy under the Biblical principles. Read your independence documents and anthems. The reality is that if Biblical Christians do not have liberty, no humans can have any human rights or liberty; that’s what is all about the Western civilization’s history and the world history. Why don’t you Westerners learn anything from your own history? Mankind can’t submit to Nazi Sodomic Western culture of today. Enough abuses done by the bored well-fed rich pervs. Stop seeking stupid amusement by bullying the Christians. Enough slavery by the American villains. Learn stuff from history and American literature. Truth first, not secular West’s mentally ill immorality. You guys just want to bully moral people this century shaming your own parents, only because you are too rich and too powerful, but God destroys Sodom. (Jude ch. 1)

  • http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/fisherhl Mr. Avatar

    Judge made a logical decision based on medical reasoning, find a gender neutral middle name.

    • james blue

      Isn’t that government getting between you and your doctor?

      • silver fox

        pssssssssssssssssssssss all over your socialist face…..go talk to the toilet. huh? huh? huh?

  • ComeOnPeople!

    TRUTH says your name is …. , the LIE tries to get you to change it… TRUTH says you are female… the LIE denies all evidence and says you are male… TRUTH says you are created by GOD… the LIE says you, doctors and shrinks can recreate you.

    • TheBottomline4This

      “the LIE says you, doctors and shrinks can recreate you”…..hmmm, making them their own god’s.

      • ComeOnPeople!

        Precisely !

  • james blue

    This person is the one who lives with the name, the judge should have zero say in it other than making it official for needed government documentation.

    • TheBottomline4This

      She is a female and will die a female.

      • james blue

        I made no comment about gender, simply that we have the right to go by whatever name we choose without agenda driven government officials interfering because it offends their personal sensibilities.

        • TheBottomline4This

          I noticed your clever little “This person”.
          She was given her name, Rebeccah when she was born. You can only be born Male or Female. She was born female and named Rebeccah. She will die female and still be Rebeccah. Thinking you are the opposite gender/sex is a mental illness.

          • james blue

            Again, I made no argument about gender. I simply pointed out that we have the right to go by whatever name we choose without agenda driven government officials interfering because it offends their personal sensibilities.
            If you wish to change your real name to “TheBottomline4This” you have that right.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Even though I know she is a woman and will die a woman, should I be forced, by some sort of penalty to call her the name her mental illness wants me to?

          • james blue

            You can call anyone any name you wish, but just because your sensibilities are offended doesn’t give you the right to prevent someone else from legally changing their name to whatever they wish to be officially known as.

          • TheBottomline4This

            You like to use the word sensibilities a lot. I guess you think you’re making some point with it, but are not.
            sensibilities is a person’s delicate sensitivity that makes them readily offended or shocked.
            You are using the wrong word, at least with me. I’m not the least bit offended or shocked.
            I go by facts, not “feelings” someone may have. If that were true, then to be fair I’d have to accept and acknowledge the “feelings” of pedophiles.
            Feelings are not facts. They can change. There is right and wrong whether you like it or not. Rebeccah is a woman and will die a woman. Too bad she can’t accept her true self, but her mental illness won’t let her.

          • Bob Johnson

            If what you say is true, then should we not comfort her instead of making her life full of pain and torture? Should we not show compassion for the ill?

          • TheBottomline4This

            Only if the compassion is seeking proper mental help that shows her she is wrong. Psychologists today are not allowed, even if they agree with the truth that she is female, to give her the proper treatment or they can lose their job.
            Usually the kind of compassion you are eluding to is more accurately called enabling.
            Comfort, yes, in her facing reality, but not in continuing to live a lie.

          • Bob Johnson

            And what of Cassius Clay? How would you counsel him when he wanted to change his name?

          • TheBottomline4This

            This story is about 2 things. A woman wanting to change her name to a man’s name because she “thinks”, “feels” that she’s a he.
            I’m not so much focused on the name as I am the other.
            That is fine Cassius wanted to change his name since he was born a he and died a he.

          • Bob Johnson

            But he did it because he no longer felt he was a Christian and became a Muslim, to whom many on this site believe to be a sin.

          • TheBottomline4This

            What does that have to do with me talking about the she in this story “thinking” and “feeling” she is a he?

          • james blue

            If it make you feel more secure in your opinions, keep telling yourself that, doesn’t change what I said one bit.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Right back at ya Jamey.

  • Jeremy Derby

    If this woman ever needs to go to the hospital or receive emergency medical attention it is important that they know what she actually is. The medical treatment that one would give a man or a woman is not the same. The medical ailments that they can receive are not all the same. Peoples official government documentation and forms of identification should not be able to change what a persons indicated gender is. One’s gender or sex is based purely on biology. Medical treatments are done base on biology. By being allowed to just indicate whatever gender someone wants to chose to identify as this could result in severe issues when it comes to medical treatment and could actually result in a false diagnoses because people are refusing to ensure the proper information is known. This is one of the many reasons why this whole concept of “transgender” and “gender identity” is dangerous and needs to abandoned and left behind as a society.

    • Jalapeno

      People regularly make sure their doctors know, just the same as they do for allergies and diabetes.

      Drivers licenses and whatnot are not intended to be the basis for medical treatment.

      • Jeremy Derby

        You are aware that emergency situations one would not always get their preferred doctor, right? You are aware that just because someone does a lot of modification to their body with plastic surgery and chemicals that it can never change what they actually are, right?

        • Jalapeno

          Yes..I know that the doctor situation isn’t always perfect. How do you think people with type1 diabetes deal with it?

          “it can never change what they actually are, right?”

          No, it doesn’t change who they are. They are the same person before and after, but afterwards their body matches up a bit more with who they are.

          • Jeremy Derby

            Wrong it matches up to what their psychological disorder is causing them to think they are. If someone has a psychological disorder thinking that they are a dog, you don’t treat them as a dog or try to turn them into one, you get them actual help. This is no different when they are thinking that they are a gender that they are not.

          • Jalapeno

            “This is no different when they are thinking that they are a gender that they are not.”

            We can show that they aren’t a dog..we can’t show that they don’t have a gender that mismatches with their sex.

            We actually have plenty of evidence that suggests that their brain DOES mismatch their body, so why refuse them the treatment that gives the best outcomes for many patients?

          • Jeremy Derby

            Your gender and your sex are the same, they are both determined by your biological makeup, the term is simply interchangeable. They have evidence of a psychological disorder that makes them think they are something other than what they actually are. If you think your from another planet that doesn’t mean you are, it means you are suffering from a psychological disorder. This “treatment” that you claim is nothing more than plastic surgery and chemicals it does not change what they actually are. On a biological and genetic level they are still a male, or still a female.

          • Jalapeno

            “Your gender and your sex are the same, they are both determined by your biological makeup, the term is simply interchangeable”

            Many people disagree, including a large portion of medical professionals.

            There are reasons, such as the ineffectiveness of anti-psychotic drugs and the differences in hormones between people with gender dysphoria and people without, that suggest that there is a mismatch between brain and body.

            We also have a treatment that’s effective…the only problem is that people who ARENT GETTING THE TREATMENT don’t like the fact that it exists and prefer to be rude and selfish about it.

          • Jeremy Derby

            Considering most medical professional disagreed with washing hands before surgery and delivering babies, and actually put Dr. Semmelweis in an asylum after he proved that it was case, because it was different than what the large portion of medical professionals though, I would say that what the large portion of what medical professionals think hardly means anything, considering they are so often proven to be wrong. You seems to be suffering from a psychological disorder that is enabling others to be consumed by their disorders. If someone is suffering from depression all the evidence points to them having depression, but you don’t put a gun in their hand and let them kill themselves. You get them help even if you have to physically restrain them from causing harm. Yet, this treatment you speak of does the exact opposite it causes harm, it involves pumping chemicals in ones body, cutting up ones body with horrid alterations, and fully embracing a psychological disorder.

          • Jalapeno

            Yes..people base their knowledge on available information.

            The information we have suggests that it’s a mismatch between brain and body, not a delusional disorder. This is the treatment that gives the best outcomes for the patients who want to transition.

            I know it’s fun to pretend like you understand things better than the people who actually went to school for 8 years to study the body, but it’s based on nothing except for a wish for the doctors to be wrong.

          • Jeremy Derby

            It is based on facts, a male is born a male and nothing can ever change that. A female is born a female and nothing can ever change that. No amount of pumping chemicals into ones body or body alterations can change that. You keep ignoring the key points of my messages because you have no way to actually counter what I am saying.

          • Jalapeno

            They will always genetically be a female, and their body will be female with changes in hormones.

            “You keep ignoring the key points of my messages because you have no way to actually counter what I am saying.”

            The key point of you pretending like you understand things better than medical professionals because they’ve had inaccurate information in the past?

            The key point of you acting like encouraging a person to commit suicide is an equivalent treatment to transitioning?

            The key point of you not understanding that gender isn’t as black and white as you so desperately want it to be?

          • Jeremy Derby

            Gender is as black and white as I say it is. Just because someone goes to school for 8 years doesn’t change it. Gender is not a choice. One is male or one is female. They are born, live, and die as that gender. Their is nothing that can ever change that. If a medical professional can not understand something as simple as male and female than, that 8 years of school must be pretty useless, and then yes I must understand it better than what they must be getting brainwashed to believe. You fail to even see that having someone “transitioned” is the same thing as having someone commit suicide because they are both feeding to a psychological disorder rather than treating the actual problem. You seem to simply desperately wanting to make something not be black in white that is simple. If you can’t even understand something as simple as gender, than were do I need to start this conversation 1st grade science for you to better understand? I have been going to school for over 8 years after high school, and I at least can grasp simple concepts such as gender which you seem to fail to understand.

          • Jalapeno

            “Gender is as black and white as I say it is”

            Yeah, except for all those times when a persons sex isn’t blatantly male or female, or those times when there’s a mismatch between sex and gender, or those times with chromosomes being messed up…

            “If a medical professional can not understand something as simple as male and female than”

            Wow, you’re a special kind of delusional. You’ve just decided that reality must match up with your simplistic understanding of things?

            “treating the actual problem”

            It IS treating the actual problem.

            If you commit suicide, that is a very poor outcome by any objective standards. Why would you compare that to something that IMPROVES a persons mental health outcomes?

          • Jeremy Derby

            I will make this as simple as possible for you, so that it will be really easy for you to understand. God made males as males. God made females as females. Sin being in the world has resulted in lots of genetic defects, which would explain the extremely and very rare situations you are referring to. No it is not treating the actual problem, getting them actual help and realizing that males are male, and females are female, and accepting they are actually what they are biology is would be helping them. You actually have no proof what so ever that it actually improves a persons mental health. Especially considering the vast numbers of people that have altered their bodies, that either suffer from depression because of it, commit suicide, or actually have their bodies altered back, because they finally realize that altering their bodies does not actually solve the problem.

          • Jalapeno

            “You actually have no proof what so ever that it actually improves a persons mental health”

            I take it you’ve never bothered to look at a non-biased study about what the outcomes are.

            Depression rates go DOWN, stress goes DOWN, suicide rate goes DOWN.

            “God made males as males. God made females as females.”

            Took you long enough to admit that you don’t care about the actual science because you’ve chosen what you believe regardless of facts.

          • Jeremy Derby

            I have looked at studies, but thanks for assuming. You are actually wrong, but thanks for thinking you know it all. Considering the “actual science” that you are choosing to specifically cherry pick out of the rest of science does not align with actual facts than yes I do disregard them. The actual facts, which the definition in this case that would best fit here is reality and truth, and the reality and truth align with my beliefs. Considering all truth comes from God, than we must ultimately turn to God. If something is false than it did not come from God, and if it did not come from God, than it came from the same source as sin, which is the devil. Considering your beliefs don’t match up to what God lays out as truth, I am sure you can connect the dots for where the ultimate source comes from that you are sadly believing.

          • Jalapeno

            Oh, this’ll be good.

            What studies have you seen that show that transitioning doesn’t improve outcomes for trans people?

            Let me guess…you found a study that shows that transgender people are still at a higher risk of suicide than the rest of the population?

            ” The actual facts”

            So far, not your strong point.

          • Jeremy Derby

            Any study I produce, you will completely discount saying that one performing the study is biased, just as any study you produce I will say was biased. So it doesn’t change anything, because nothing you say is ever going to change my belief, and apparently nothing I say will ever change your belief.

          • Jalapeno

            I happily change my beliefs when facts contradict. I know intellectual honesty isn’t big for you, but it is for me.

            Didn’t you say that you’ve seen studies that conflict with the whole idea that transitioning leads to better outcomes?

          • Jalapeno

            Just to point it out…you can’t directly link things here.

            A couple places you can get started though on some of those silly facts..

            A prospective study of persons with a gender identity disorder. J Sex Med 2014;11:119–126.

            Colizzi M, Costa R, Pace V, and Todarello O. Hormonal treatment reduces psychobiological distress in gender identity disorder, independently of the attachment style. J Sex Med 2013;10:3049–3058.

          • Bob Johnson

            “Wow, you’re a special kind of delusional.”

            I’m not so sure he is delusional as much as he is a textbook case of the Dunning-Kruger effect.

          • hamfish

            And it affects you exactly how?

    • Michael C

      You are aware that the State of Georgia does, in fact, permit transgender people to amend their birth certificates and legally change their sex, right? You are aware that almost every state in the U.S. permits transgender men and women to legally change their sex, right? You are aware that this isn’t a new thing, right?

      • Jeremy Derby

        You are aware that your sentence made no sense. One can never change their sex or gender it is biological no matter how many chemicals or how much cutting one does to their own body, right? You are aware that this is actually a relatively completely new thing in our society, right?

        • Michael C

          There are exactly zero people that think that they can completely change their bodies from female to male, or from male to female.

          My comment is in reference to a person’s legally recognized sex.

          • Jeremy Derby

            And one’s legally recognized sex should be absolutely no different then their biological sex. An since you say that their are zero people that think they can change their body from one to another, than you should agree than that they should not be able to change what it is recognized as legally.

          • Michael C

            Because I did not write the laws allowing transgender men and women to change their legally recognized sex in almost every state in the U.S., challenging me to defend those laws is a bit of a waste of your time.

          • Jeremy Derby

            Wow, that was a completely horrible dodge to actually addressing the point that I made. Just because we have current laws that allow for abortion does not make abortion right, or anything less than murder. Just because something is legal in a country does not make it right.

  • disqus_O2BUmbLecp

    Many liberals think that they r dogs. We should change their names to Dog1(= Obummer), Beetch1(= Hillary), Dog2(= Joe Biden), Beetch2(= Nancy Pelosi) n so on. *sarcasm*

  • ComeOnPeople!

    Sadly this woman doesn’t look like a man but a woman trying to be something she is not. She not only does not look the part but her DNA, brain waves and body strength clearly deny her delusional declaration.

  • p78

    So a fag got pissed off because someone told her the truth YOUR NOT A MAN!

    Seriously LGBT are psychologically damaged. Medical treatment not pandering is what they need.

    • hamfish

      I’d say the same of the religious. A sort of voluntary delusional state.

  • Heidi K.

    GOD bless this judge!

  • chthompson

    “Gender dysphoria” or whatever is code word for satanic delusion. How can we have people like this serving in our military? I suspect evil plans are being made. Pray for this confused young woman and our country.

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