Atheist Activist Group Seeks Removal of Ten Commandments Painting in County Clerk’s Office

Ten Commandments-compressedCADIZ, Ky. — A prominent professing atheist organization that targets what it believes are violations of the separation of Church and State is seeking the removal of a Ten Commandments painting in the office of a Kentucky county clerk.

The Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) recently sent a letter to Carmen Finley, the clerk of Trigg County, to request that the painting be removed, citing an unidentified complainant.

“The Ten Commandments display violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment,” the correspondence read. “Given the content of the display and the fact that it originally appeared as a lone display, a reasonable observer would view it as an endorsement of religion by the county.”

It said that the first Commandment, which forbids mankind from having other gods other than Yahweh, “alone makes it obvious why the Ten Commandments may not be posted on government property.”

“The government has no business telling citizens which God they must have, how many gods they must have, or that they must have any God at all,” FFRF wrote. “There are ample private and church grounds where this religious display may be freely placed.”

The organization consequently asked that the painted be removed.

“How can nonbelievers feel welcome in the Trigg County clerk’s office when they have such an obviously biblical message staring them in the face?” FFRF Co-President Annie Laurie Gaylor said in a statement.

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It is not yet known whether Finley plans to respond.

As previously reported, the 2005 U.S. Supreme Court decision of Van Orden v. Perry upheld a Ten Commandments display at the Texas state capitol.

“Such acknowledgments of the role played by the Ten Commandments in our nation’s heritage are common throughout America,” the court wrote. “We need only look within our own courtroom. Since 1935, Moses has stood, holding two tablets that reveal portions of the Ten Commandments written in Hebrew, among other lawgivers in the south frieze.”

“Similar acknowledgments can be seen throughout a visitor’s tour of our nation’s capital. For example, a large statue of Moses holding the Ten Commandments, alongside a statue of the Apostle Paul, has overlooked the rotunda of the Library of Congress’ Jefferson Building since 1897,” it continued. “And the Jefferson Building’s Great Reading Room contains a sculpture of a woman beside the Ten Commandments with a quote above her from the Old Testament (Micah 6:8).”

“A medallion with two tablets depicting the Ten Commandments decorates the floor of the national archives,” the court outlined. “Inside the Department of Justice, a statue entitled “The Spirit of Law” has two tablets representing the Ten Commandments lying at its feet. In front of the Ronald Reagan Building is another sculpture that includes a depiction of the Ten Commandments.”


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  • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

    As previously reported, the 2005 U.S. Supreme Court decision of Van Orden v. Perry upheld a Ten Commandments display at the Texas state capitol.

    Only because it was one of a number of monuments at the capitol. That same day, in McCreary County v. American Civil Liberties Union, another ten commandments display was ordered removed from a county courthouse.

    This solo display of the ten commandments is more like the McCreary case, not Van Orden. But I’m not surprised that only Van Orden was cited in the story.

    • BobbyHead

      Our capital in Washington D.C. is loaded with Christian documents, statues and Christian inscriptions. Do you want to tear them down like the Muslim Taliban do? Most liberals do.

      • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

        I want my government to remain neutral on religion, not pimp your favorite, which is what the Taliban does.

        • peanut butter

          Our government was not formed by neutrality, it was formed by the precepts of Judeo-Christian religion. If you want to believe in many false gods, move to India. If you want to believe in only one false god, move into the heart of the Middle East. If you want to believe in no god or worship satan, move to a deserted island and start your own country. And take the rest of the atheists and devil worshippers with you. I’ll even chip in on gas for your boat.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            Our government was not formed by neutrality, it was formed by the precepts of Judeo-Christian religion.

            It was formed on religious freedom, not the sort of religious tyranny that you’d like.

            If you want to believe in many false gods, move to India.

            There’s that religious tyranny again.
            We have religious freedom here in the US. I’m not surprised you’d prefer an ISIS-like government-imposed religion.

  • Nidalap

    Just like a bevvy of vampires. Present any kind of Christian symbol to them and you get a whole lot of hissing and fang-baring…

    • OhNoodlyOne

      Vampires don’t exist either.

  • The Skeptical Chymist

    This is an attempt by the County Clerk or the people who work in that office to mark their territory. In an office that should serve all the people of the county equally, this is posted to let those who come before them know whether they belong to the favored group or are second-class citizens. It is plainly in violation of the first amendment. It can only be construed as a government endorsement of a particular religion. The people who put it up knew that, that’s why they put it up. They are arrogant and obnoxious people, separating the people who come into the office into those who are with us and those who are against us.

    • meamsane

      Hmmmm? I didn’t read any of that in the story. Are you inferring some Psychic abilities?

      • Amos Moses

        No …. that is “tolerance, and open mindedness, and anti-bigotry, and being loving” ……..

    • bowie1

      They must have a low view of themselves if they think they will be served with less attention and concern just because of some sign. Would they feel any better if a horoscope was placed on the wall?

    • wandakate

      JESUS Him self said “you’re either for me or you’re against me.” It’s fairly cut and dry I would assume. We either believe or we don’t. It’s like anything else you either do or you don’t. Who gives these FFRF authority to make these claims or these demands on people. Who are they? And why do people listen to them? Are they the government, are they the lawmakers of the land? In other words, what rights do they have over me or you or anybody else?

      • The Skeptical Chymist

        The authority comes from the First Amendment of the United States Constitution. The FFRF always acts on behalf of a citizen from the local jurisdiction; in this case, the local complainant was not identified.

  • Amos Moses

    TEXAS SUPREME COURT JUSTICE: SAME-SEX SPOUSAL EMPLOYMENT BENEFITS CAN BE DENIED

    • james blue

      A right wing justice gave a dissenting opinion, it is not the ruling which let stand a lower court ruling that cities could not deny spousal benefits to same sex couples.

  • Reason2012

    “The Ten Commandments display violates the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment,” the correspondence read. “Given the content of the display and the fact that it originally appeared as a lone display, a reasonable observer would view it as an endorsement of religion by the county.”
    The establishment clause says no laws can be passed establishing a religion. Well no law WAS passed. It’s there by choice of those at the school, not because of any law.
    The First Amendment also says we have free exercise of religion and that no law can be passed PROHIBITING that free exercise – so it’s a violation of the Constitution to make it illegal for it to be there.
    But of course schools do not want to waste time or the hassle of going through the process of defense, so just complain, threaten lawsuit, and win by default as they just do it anyway.
    Americans need to start suing back since the schools won’t stand up to this anti-American anti-Constitutional bigotry by atheist activists.

    Search public school islam and see how the pillars of islam are even painted on walls, forced teaching to all students and FFRF does NOTHING, exposing them as not a freedom from religion group, but an anti-Christian, pro-islam group.

    • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

      Well no law WAS passed.

      Everything done in a county office has to be traceable back to a law authorizing the act; county officials can’t just do anything they feel like doing.

      It’s there by choice of those at the school

      This is in a Trigg County clerk’s office, not a school, but in any case, public schools can’t post the ten commandments, either.

      The First Amendment also says we have free exercise of religion and that no law can be passed PROHIBITING that free exercise – so it’s a violation of the Constitution to make it illegal for it to be there.

      The government (including county offices and public schools) don’t HAVE first amendment rights — if they did, you could have an officially Christian county government, or an officially Muslim public school. The government is restricted by the first amendment’s “no establishment” clause.

      Americans need to start suing back since the schools won’t stand up to this anti-American anti-Constitutional bigotry by atheist activists.

      Given your lack of knowledge of even the simplest constitutional issues, this would be highly entertaining.

      For example, on what grounds would you sue them?

      Search public school islam and see how the pillars of islam are even painted on walls, forced teaching to all students and FFRF does NOTHING, exposing them as not a freedom from religion group, but an anti-Christian, pro-islam group.

      I’ve asked you many times in other stories to name a school that has done this; you’ve never come up with one.

      • Reason2012

        // Everything done in a county office has to be traceable back to a law authorizing the act; //

        Please cite the law that forced them to put up that painting of the Ten Commandments.

        // county officials can’t just do anything they feel like doing. //

        Americans have freedom of religious expression – the public has freedom of religious expression – you do not throw out your freedoms just because you’re working for the America that gives you these freedoms. The Constitution of the United States of America explicitly protects that freedom from those like you that hate it.

        // The government (including county offices and public schools) doesn’t HAVE first amendment rights //

        “No law shall be passed prohibiting the free exercise thereof [of religion]”

        The Constitution says otherwise.

        // if they did, you could have an officially Christian county government, or an officially Muslim public school. //

        No, we’d have individuals with their own personal religious items at their job, and we’d have schools where the majority at each school decides what they want at their school. That’s freedom, not the third world anti-Christian dictatorship you wish to turn it into.

        // on what grounds would you sue them? //

        “Congress shall pass no laws prohibiting the free exercise thereof”

        // I’ve asked you many times in other stories to name a school that has done this; you’ve never come up with one. //

        I’d prefer you to continue lying so everyone else will search and see them and see how you’re lying, realizing how the anti-Christian activists are lying to advanced their anti-Christian agenda. This while ignoring islam even when it leads to 50 LGBT being slaughtered..

        So you’re still claiming when you do a search, not a single case comes up? Everyone else: feel free to search and see how only those who hate Christianity cannot seem to have them show up in search engines, which of course shows how they just flat out lie.

        • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

          Please cite the law that forced them to put up that painting of the Ten Commandments.

          You don’t understand — the county does not have the authority to promote religion by posting the ten commandments.

          “No law shall be passed prohibiting the free exercise thereof [of religion]”

          The government does not have free exercise.

          No, we’d have individuals with their own personal religious items at their job, and we’d have schools where the majority at each school decides what they want at their school.

          No, if counties and public schools have first amendment rights, they CAN declare themselves to have an official religion. People have religious rights, and can declare their official religion, so if counties and schools have them, they can do the same.

          But they can’t, because the government doesn’t have first amendment rights.

          “Congress shall pass no laws prohibiting the free exercise thereof”

          The FFRF isn’t prohibiting anyone from exercising their religion. Your answer is nonsense.

          I’d prefer you to continue lying so everyone else will search and see them and see how you’re lying, realizing how the anti-Christian activists are lying to advanced their anti-Christian agenda.

          So you can’t name even one school pushing Islam, yet you continue to spread that lie.

          So you’re still claiming when you do a search, not a single case comes up?

          None that actually happened, no. I’ve told you before about the 2003 case that the courts rejected.

          • Reason2012

            // You don’t understand — the county does not have the authority to promote religion by posting the ten commandments. //

            The country didn’t – one person did. Why lie?
            And no one has the authority to make it illegal to do so.
            But you keep repeating yourself while ignoring what I’ve said.

          • BobbyHead

            This present day the Government has no problem with posting the Islamic Religion all over our Pubic Schools.

          • Reason2012

            They were already allowed by the Constitution. The ACLU continues to twist our laws and teach others to do so – that you claimed the government needs to pass laws to put up Ten Commandment displays just shows how disingenuous ACLU and activists that believe their nonsense truly are.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            My entire point post after post is the Constitution gives them that freedom.

            It doesn’t. They represent the government when acting as county employees and are restricted by the first amendment’s “no establishment” clause.

            The ACLU continues to twist our laws and teach others to do so

            No, they continue to win court cases that get appealed all the way to the supreme court.

          • Rookheight

            It’s so funny that you jump to the comments section of every story to try to convince people of your interpretation of the Constitution, and you ignore the flood of people who invariably show you that your interpretation is wrong. You don’t get to just read the Constitution and run with what you think it means. There’s a good reason that no jurists go for ANY of the arguments you make. They are bad arguments.

          • Reason2012

            There’s nothing to interpret.

            Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

            Means

            Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

            And no laws have been passed in this case so the Constitution was not violated.

            Congress shall make no law … prohibiting the free exercise thereof

            means

            Congress shall make no law … prohibiting the free exercise thereof

            And hence it’s a violation to make it illegal (read: make a law against it) the FREE EXERCISE of it.

            To claim the ‘interpretation” of that is “you’re only free to exercise it when and where we let you” is the twisting that’s going on.

            The left hates the Constitution and Christianity and is trying to subvert both.

          • Rookheight

            You might want to just leave this to people who understand it. As I said, there’s a good reason that even the informed jurists on your side don’t make the argument you’re going for.

          • OhNoodlyOne

            Liar.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            So you cannot cite the law that forced them to put it up.

            You don’t understand. There’s no law AUTHORIZING them to put it up, so they CAN’T DO IT.

            And country didn’t put it up – one person did.

            Doesn’t matter.

            Second they weren’t promoting, they were posting their beliefs.

            They can’t do that when acting in their official capacity.

            And no one has the authority to make free exercise of religion illegal.

            County offices don’t have “free exercise”.

            But you keep repeating yourself while ignoring what I’ve said, which say s it all.

            Because you are ridiculously ignorant.

          • Reason2012

            // You don’t understand. There’s no law AUTHORIZING them to put it up, so they CAN’T DO IT.//

            If they passed a law to authorize clerks to put those things up, that would be a violation of the Constitution.

            Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion

            In your rush to try claiming free exercise of religion is illegal except where activists who hate Christianity give their permission on when and where you have such “freedoms”, you continue to say things that are even more blatantly false.

            Take care.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            If they passed a law to authorize clerks to put those things up, that would be a violation of the Constitution.

            So you agree they aren’t authorized?

            In your rush to try claiming free exercise of religion is illegal except where activists who hate Christianity give their permission on when and where you have such “freedoms”, you continue to say things that are even more blatantly false.

            Read McCreary County v. ACLU of Kentucky (2005)

          • BobbyHead

            This should be the new preamble of the Constitution that deist like Jefferson did not want in.

            WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES recognizing the being and
            attributes of almighty God, the divine Authority of the Holy Scriptures, the
            law of God as the paramount rule, and Jesus the Messiah, the Savior and Lord of all, in order to form a more perfect union do ordain and establish this Constitution of the United States of America.

          • BobbyHead

            We don’t want just painting of the 10 Commandments. We want it inscribed in stone. Just the way God originally gave it to us.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            Fine, put it in front of your own house.

        • BobbyHead

          We need the Ten Commandments posted in every federal courthouse . this way we will not be confused by every whim of Godless judges who interprets the Constitution any crazy way they want.

          We also need a preamble, yes a new a new Preamble to the Constitution that says the God of the Bible, God almighty and our savior the Lord Jesus Christ is the Lord of the universe and Lord of our nation. This way we will have freedom and clear thinking because we’re going by the Bible now and not by the ever-changing whims of wicked and goddess judges.

          • OhNoodlyOne

            All of those characters are imaginary Bobby.

        • BobbyHead

          We don’t need the 10 commandment painted on the government walls, we need them inscribed in stone.

          • Amos Moses

            we need them written on our hearts ………… without that there is no inner change ……

      • BobbyHead

        We need the Ten Commandments displayed on every government building it would only give us our freedom that way we will not be dictated by the whims of Godless wicked men and judges.

        • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

          We need the Ten Commandments displayed on every government building

          Why do you want the government to tell people what god to follow? That’s the opposite of religious freedom.

          • BobbyHead

            Religious freedom can only come through Jesus.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            Wrong.

          • Rookheight

            How did you let someone convince you of something that is so obviously false? It’s like saying that freedom of speech can only come through censorship.

    • BobbyHead

      The Ten Commandments displayed on any government building would only give us freedom and thus we would not go by the whims of crazy man whatever they think for the day. It is solid law of God and gives us our freedom. We need the Ten Commandments displayed in every public building; it wouldn’t hurt, it would only give us freedom.

      • Reason2012

        Amen! As long as no laws are passed forcing people to do so, we’re free to do so even on public grounds.

  • Rick Derris

    “For some reason, the most vocal Christians among us never mention the Beatitudes (Matthew 5). But, often with tears in their eyes, the demand that the Ten Commandments be posted in public buildings. And of course, that’s Moses, not Jesus. I haven’t heard one of them demand that the Sermon on the Mount, the Beatitudes, be posted anywhere.

    ‘Blessed are the merciful’ in a courtroom? ‘Blessed are the peacemakers’ in the Pentagon? Give me a break!” – Kurt Vonnegut

    • Amos Moses

      “And of course, that’s Moses, not Jesus.”

      No …. wrong …. it is all Christ ………

      • Rick Derris

        The point —>

        You —->

        • Amos Moses

          the point ……… you are wrong ………

          You ——> wrong ……….

          • Rick Derris

            Why are there so many right-wingers that have the spelling and grammar skills of a five year old?

            And why are you in blackface?

          • Amos Moses

            so you are a racist ………

          • Rick Derris

            Blackface is racist.

          • Amos Moses

            ok …. so first you call me a ” right-wingers that have the spelling and grammar skills of a five year old” ….. then you call me a racist because i am “in blackface” … and your evidence that i am? ….. is it because “the spelling and grammar skills of a five year old” ….. but you are not a racist ……… because i speak too well …. or not well enough ….. because ….. what ……..

          • Rick Derris

            Just guessing based on your use of racial slurs and comments made on white supremacist sites like Breitbart.

          • Amos Moses

            what “racial slurs” ……….. and BB is now a white supremacist site ………. because a black person could never be there ………. and “guessing” is now evidence …… and you are not racists …… ROTFL and L and L and L and L and L and L and L and L and L and L and L and L and L and L and L and L and L and L and L and L and L and L and L and L … etc ……….

          • BobbyHead

            Amos you are the most racist one on this site.

          • Amos Moses

            So ya got nothing? ……… my comments are wide open …… almost 14,000 ….. and you cannot quote mine one instance? ………… go for it …… have fun … dont hurt yourself ………..

          • Amos Moses

            ### Crickets ###

          • ShemSilber

            You have a lot more patience with these burnt-out clinkers than a lot of people. That must be the Holy Spirit working in you. Thanks for your example, Brother Amos.

          • Amos Moses

            😉

          • wandakate

            JESUS sat examples for us, and then after He ascended back to heaven to be with the FATHER GOD, He sent us the HOLY SPIRIT to be our comforter. Patience is a virtue. If Brother Amos has it then more power to him, he’s been blessed.
            Most of us could use a dose of patience.

          • Amos Moses

            interesting thing about calling people “racists” ………. you first have to determine what their race is …. and that in itself is racist …………. so to NOT be a racist ….. you have to become one ….. just so you can claim you are not …… when what really matters … the only thing that matters …… is the TRUTH ……………..

          • BobbyHead

            You are the biggest racist on this site.

          • Amos Moses

            Sorry……. I see no examples….. Fail……

          • BobbyHead

            Amos, are you white?

          • Amos Moses

            Race is not an issue…..

          • Amos Moses

            i am a christian ………..

          • BobbyHead

            Amos, if you are white or black, you are a racist. I think your white.

          • Amos Moses

            So no evidence….. Got it….

          • BobbyHead

            We don’t have to know what is a person that is if they make the racist remarks they are a racist Mexican Americans make racist remarks against blacks some of them Asians do the same every race other than whites call the Negroes the n word

          • Amos Moses

            Which is all very well and good ……. but it still does not have anything to do with calling me a racist and i see no quote from you that would even suggest i am ……….. soooooooooooo ………………………….

          • wandakate

            YES, when they know the truth, the truth will set them free. I was raised in Alabama during the time of George Wallace who was the governor. I laid in my bed and watched the KKK march down the main drag of my town carrying torches and marching, chanting etc.
            GOD created all of us. Red and yellow, black and white and we were precious in his sight. GOD doesn’t see any colors, only the condition of our hearts.

          • BobbyHead

            Maybe you are a white man that use a black photo to disguise yourself so that you can spill out your racist remarks and make black men look stupid.

          • Amos Moses

            Again…..no evidence….. Fail….

          • Amos Moses

            you have no picture ….. your race is not known to anyone ….. even if you did …. it proves nothing …….. your race is not at issue ….. no one here cares what your race is …..

            FYI,,,,, the picture is of Eddie “Rochester” Anderson ……..

            Edmund Lincoln Anderson (September 18, 1905 – February 28, 1977) was an American comedian and actor.
            Anderson got his start in show business as a teenager on the vaudeville circuit. In the early 1930s, he transitioned into films and radio. In 1937, he began his most famous role of Rochester van Jones, usually known simply as “Rochester”, the valet of Jack Benny, on his radio show The Jack Benny Program. Anderson became the first African American to have a regular role on a nationwide radio program. When the series moved to television, Anderson continued in the role until the series’ end in 1965.

            The humor and energy between Jack Benny and Eddie Anderson led to the development of a 20-year collaboration that delighted radio, television, and film audiences.

            The men’s relationship was solid on air and off. Jack Benny refused to tolerate poor treatment of Anderson. In 1943 the company arrived in St. Joseph, Missouri, where they planned to do one of their radio shows. Anderson and his wife were denied a hotel room, and only at Benny’s urging did the hotel management find the Andersons a room.

            Jack Benny and Rochester
            Another time in New York, a Southern couple complained about a black man staying in the hotel so the manager approached Anderson suggesting he find a room elsewhere. The show’s producer told the manager Anderson would leave the hotel the next day. The next morning all 44 members of the cast and crew checked out with Anderson and moved to another hotel.

            During World War II, Benny often remarked on-air about African American contributions to the war effort. In 1948 after the show re-used a script from the early 1940s that contained issues that were racial stereotypes, Benny was displeased and ordered his writers to refrain from any sort of racial stereotype or slur. Rochester was to be considered an integral part of the show, and as his role evolved it became typical for Rochester to cut through Benny’s pomposity with comments like, “What’s that, Boss?”). African Americans warmed to the character and appreciated that Anderson had broken a barrier—he was a black man playing the role of a black man; not a white man playing the role in black face.

          • Amos Moses

            STUDY: RIGHT WINGERS MORE SEXUALLY SATISFIED

            Well, well …………

          • BobbyHead

            I can see that Amos is also Godless.

          • Amos Moses

            I am not a “rightwinger” ….. Just called one ….

      • BobbyHead

        Amos you are sick.

      • Rookheight

        You might want to re-read that book of yours.

        • Amos Moses

          You may want to read it for the first time …… scripture is only about one person …. Christ Jesus ……….

          • Rookheight

            I have read it, more than once. It’s disingenuous to impose Christian bias on the Old Testament the way you do. Jesus is a character who shows up in the less exciting sequel.

          • Amos Moses

            Jesus talked about the scriptures ….. the NT had not yet been written so he was only talking about the Torah/Tanakh ………

            Christ speaking …….

            5:38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.

            5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.

            5:40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

            “and they are they which testify of me.” …….. it is ALL about Christ …. and ONLY Christ …

          • wandakate

            YES, JESUS was the reason for all of it. The ONLY way to the FATHER GOD is through the son JESUS CHRIST (YESHUA).

          • kim

            Says you. Jesus is in the Old Testament as well. Not by His name in the New Testament; but still, He is all through the whole Bible.

          • Chet

            This “character” is the one to whom all men will give account. “And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this, the judgment” Hebrews 9:27, Holy Bible… You might want to consider Christ and receive him as your own personal Lord and Saviour as there is none other… Jesus saves from the guttermost to the uttermost!

          • Rookheight

            I find that no more compelling than someone saying the same thing about Gandalf. If you don’t go into the question with the answer already assumed, you might realize how ridiculous it is.

          • Chet

            We shall see, man, we shall see indeed as the end of days comes to all men eventually. As one snaps-out into eternity at the last gasp of breath, it is then all too late to make the choice to receive the Lord Jesus Christ as one’s own personal Lord and Saviour. Reality then becomes one’s eternal fate, lost and undone, without God and His Son. Forever in Hell is the price no man has to pay, but, alas, many choose to do so as opposed to receiving Christ who already paid for all one’s sins on Calvary’s Cross and lives today… Choose wisely, Sir…

          • Rookheight

            You do realize that’s just one of many similar cosmic ultimatums issued by a so-called “holy book,” yes? If the god you believe in existed, he would not have made it so obvious to that he does not exist, then punish people who don’t blindly obey with eternal damnation.

            I believe in life before death, and you should start enjoying it, without being afraid of another man’s fantasy, before it’s too late. You only live once. Choose wisely!

          • Chet

            I have done so, very wisely made my calling and election sure as my faith is built on nothing less that Jesus Christ’d precious blood and his righteousness nothing else… At my last heartbeat, I shall leave his body of flesh and open my eyes in Glory, there to dwell eternally, all thanks to Christ and him alone.

    • BobbyHead

      I don’t think you could handle the Beatitudes of Jesus if you read every one of them you’d be singing a different tune , you being an atheist. One thing the Beatitudes does not say is blessed are the merciful in the courtroom. In the courtroom we want Justice, not Mercy. My how you twist the scriptures.

      • Rick Derris

        You don’t know the Bible very well.

        James 2:13: For judgment is without mercy to one who has shown no mercy. Mercy triumphs over judgment.

    • ShemSilber

      Amos Moses is right. Per 1Corinthians 10:4 and Hebrews 11:24-26, we know (in spite of the deniers and the scoffers) that the Master Yahushua (Jesus) is the Intercessor who dealt with Moses, sent by our Abba (Father) in the heavens, as always. Abba has never dealt directly with humanity, from the time that Yahushua formed Adam from the dust of the earth.

      Truth is truth no matter who denies it, and a lie will always be a lie no matter who supports it, says Yahuwah Almighty, in the Name of the Master Yahushua, omein.

      • Rick Derris

        You have also missed the point.

        Moses is irrelevant to the fact that the beatitudes are regularly ignored by Christians, and they would never think of having such concepts applied to our government (let alone their own lives).

        • ShemSilber

          It is sad but true that even most Christians hardly think of applying principles of the Word to their own lives, whether it’s the Ten Commandments or the Beatitudes or what. Even the preachers, as one of them said, are good at “turning wine into water,” that is, he said, watering down the Word. They have fallen to the contagion that would infect us all, denial of any sort of Higher Power, any Creator that would tell us all how to live.

          Yet if we ignore the Master Yahushua our Creator, if we pretend that He is irrelevant, then we have missed the most important point of our lives, that we are not yet a complete creation. Genesis 1:26 says, “Let Us make man in Our image, after Our likeness.” We are now in the Master’s image. Those who put their trust in Him will then become in His likeness, as David says in Psalm 17:15 and John in 1John 3:1-3. If we have missed that point, may our Master Yahushua help us to GET it, omein.

          • Rick Derris

            I’m not a Christian, so I won’t do any of those things.

            I’m just making a point that as Jesus liked to say in Matthew 23:23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices—mint, dill and cumin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law—justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.”

          • ShemSilber

            I’m not a Christian either, for the Master Yahushua rescued me from the churches, though I was saved for over 60 years while in them, but the Master Yahushua (“Lord Jesus”) showed me a better way.

            If you deny the Master Yahushua, the only Door from this age into His Kingdom, then He will deny you, and that obviates eternal life for you. That’s sad, but He will not take away your freedom of choice that He gave you, omein.

          • Rick Derris

            I don’t know why you want to lie. Despite your hatred of labels, if you are worshiping Jesus and accept His divinity, you are a Christian.

            It’s completely off topic, though.

          • ShemSilber

            If you want to believe it’s a lie, that’s your choice. The Master Yahushua rescued me from Christianity, and I have left that behind. He absolutely is Yahuwah, but not part of a trinity, as Christianity believes, or some believe in a “twinnity.”

            As I said before, you have freedom of choice, and besides that, the obligation to live or die with the choice you make, in the Name of the Master Yahushua, who formed all humanity, no matter what their “religion” is, in the wombs of its mothers, you included.

            Remember these things in the day of your visitation, and then maybe you will make a right choice, FOR the Master Yahushua and not ignoring Him, omein.

          • wandakate

            And GOD was GOD in the spirit, JESUS (YESHUA) was human in the flesh, and the HOLY SPIRIT was to be the comforter that would come to us. YESHUA told them that the comforter would NOT come to them until after He had returned to the FATHER GOD.
            3 equal but separate. The “trinity” doctrine originated from the HRCC. JESUS said “I can do nothing without the FATHER.” They were one in unity, they were in agreement with one another, on the same page, which is why JESUS said, “The FATHER and I are one.”
            So, yes Christians believe in the “trinity” b/c that is what they have been taught. We learn and retain what we’re taught. It’s very difficult however to unlearn what we’ve already learned. But with the help of the HOLY SPIRIT we can unlearn what is false.

          • ShemSilber

            What a pleasure it is to meet with you here, wandakate, for you are one who realizes that we have things to unlearn and to replace them with truth. Yes, indeed, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all one, and not, as we were taught in the churches, a 3-headed trinity. The evil one has peddled all sorts of deceptions, but the Master Yahushua is able to save all those who choose Him as their Savior, and we can be overjoyed about that.

            Messiah’s complaint expressed through David in Psalm 22:14 is, “…all My bones are out of joint.” That was true as He hung on the tree of execution, and it is true of the children of Israel, all 12 tribes, and not just the Jewish people. We are scattered all over the earth by the hundreds of millions, and Ezekiel 37 says that He will bring all those bones together.

            Then all the lies and things that don’t profit (Jeremiah 16:19) will be changed for truth, and we will be one nation again, the Kingdom of United Israel, including all non-Israelites who will also be saved and become Israel. That is when we will have peace on earth, and the deserts will all blossom as the rose.

            May that time be soon, in Yahushua’s Name, omein!

          • wandakate

            Thank you…Questions for you (?)
            Why is the name spelled in so many ways? I spell it Yeshua and Yahweh, but you have Yahushua. Also I haven’t seen omein before, but only Amen.
            Just curious where you are coming up with these words.
            Also what about the Sabbath Day (Saturday), are Christians supposed to obey the 4th Commandment and honor it every week? Most Christians think it was done away with, but that the other 9 are relevant, which makes no sense to me.
            What about our holidays and the Feast of the LORD?
            Would like your input into these topics. I don’t believe that ANY of our worldly holidays have anything to do with JESUS (YESHUA). They all have pagan origins.

          • ShemSilber

            Here is an answer that I already posted, but without a link, which may be why it is held up. If they OK that one, then you’ll have the link also, if you like.

            You’re more than welcome, and also thank you for the opportunity to answer a few questions.

            Of first importance is not the spelling, but the heart. We have the two primary commandments of the Torah as the Master gave them in Matthew 22:35-40, for instance. First is to love Yahuwah our Elohim with all our mind, heart and being, and the second is to love neighbor as self. If we are learning these two (a lifelong process), then we can also be learning the proper obedience of the rest of the Torah. Without those two, Torah observance is in vain.

            For over 60 years in the churches, I was saved already, knowing only “Jesus” and “Lord,” for example, but still Biblically uneducated, because the churches are good for leading us to salvation, but not for teaching us to be like our Master, like for instance keeping His days instead of the churchy days, Christmas, Easter, Hollow evening, and all those. These are all syncretism, which means adding heathen belief and mixing it with the truth, which the church did in order to draw more members rather than stick with the truth.

            The variant spellings come from the rabbinical hiding of the true names, and we are seeking our way out of the darkness. One indicator, which is evidence but not necessarily proof, concerning YHWH, is a comparison of the spelling of it with the spelling of Judah’s name. Our Abba’s Name is Yud-Hay-Waw-Hay and Judah’s in the Hebrew is the same with one additional letter, to wit: Yud-Hay-Waw-Daled-Hay, “Yahudah.” Take out the Daled and you have “Yahuwah.” Yahudah means one who praises Yahuwah, and it is His tribe by whom the Master Yahushua descended from the heavens and did the work of redemption on our behalf. He IS the Daled, which is a symbol of a door, and Yahushua is the Door by whom we pass from this age to the coming age, when we are living in eternity.

            Yahushua or Yeshua (and there are other spellings) means “Yahuwah is Salvation,” whereas it loses that meaning in the transliteration, the matching of letters, through the Greek and English alphabets.

            Yes, indeed, we should all be keeping Yahuwah’s Feasts as listed in Leviticus 23 and other places. When the Master sees us rehearsing for the Kingdom by celebrating His days, He opens doors of understanding about the meaning of those celebrations, beginning with Him as the Passover Lamb, immediately followed by 7 days of unleavened bread, symbolic of putting the leaven of sin out of our lives, which we will have to keep doing until He calls us home. Then there is Shavuot, the Feast of Weeks, which is the renewal of the Covenant; Yom Teruah, the Feast of Trumpets, telling us of His return, Yom ha-Kippurim, the Day of Atonements, afflicting our souls in obedience to Him, because we need to be humbled in His Presence. Finally, Sukkot, the Feast of Tabernacles, signifying the 7th millennium under Yahushua’s rulership, followed by Shemini Atzeret, the 8th day, signifying our new beginnings, entering into eternity.

            The first place I heard “omein” was in the musical, “Fiddler on the Roof,” but our rabbi, a true servant of the Master Yahushua, also uses that and the other spellings that we are talking about. His name is Moshe Yoseph Koniuchowsky.

            In any case, it’s a pleasure meeting you, and look to see you in the Kingdom, along with millions of others, all of whom we will then have the capacity to know because we will be in our new bodies that will never grow old or sick or anything negative, in Yahushua’s Name, omein!

          • wandakate

            I was raised in mainstream churches, mainly Baptist in Ala. But when I was 50 I left it all behind, gave up ALL of our worldly-commercial-pagan holidays and started doing what YESHUA or JESUS wanted me to do. I started taking ALL of the commandments seriously and kept the 7th day from then on out.
            My friend out in Missouri tells me that the only two commandments that count are the 2 new ones that JESUS gave, Love the LORD and Love thy neighbor as thyself and if we do these two then we’ll be okay, yet she and the husband still worship or go to church on Sunday (the first day). She sees NO need whatsoever in honoring the Sabbath day. She’s older and following tradition as most Sunday people are doing.
            She also sees NO harm in celebrating ALL of the holidays except Halloween. She says we do Easter b/c that is the day that JESUS rose from the dead. Christmas was his birthday and even if it’s not Dec. 25th it doesn’t hurt to celebrate it or at least remember it on that day, etc. etc.
            Her husband is a retired Pentecostal pastor and they are very set in their ways.
            SO, she and I don’t see eye to eye on most religious issues.

            I have not kept all the feast b/c I have no one to keep them with and basically wouldn’t know what to do on them anyway.
            I have as I said given up the holidays and honored the Sabbath with no work on that day etc. I did have to break that a time or two but I immediately felt bad and repented of it.
            Thanks for the answers I asked you for.
            By the way what state do you live in? I’m in North Carolina.

          • ShemSilber

            Similarly to your case, I grew up in the Disciples of Christ church, up in Chicago, but in ’64 at the age of 24, I began attending a Sabbath-and-Feast-keeping church in Wichita, Kansas, where I was for about 45 years. That church is all splintered up in several groups and various directions now, and I am with the man I mentioned to you. You can find him if you like by a search for Sholiach-Apostle Moshe Yoseph Koniuchowsky. “Sholiach” is a Hebrew word for an apostle, which means one who is sent.

            We have a small group just a little ways across the southern border of Georgia in Baker County, Florida, which is where we live.

            Those two commandments that the Master Yahushua gave, to love Yahuwah our Elohim wholeheartedly and our neighbors as ourselves is really the foundation for keeping the rest of the Torah, and not an excuse from it, as I used to think when I was still in the churches. For SURE we cannot save ourselves by works, because we can’t pay the price of the sins we’ve already committed. Yahushua did that for us.

            We can be truly blessed, however, in addition to salvation, by learning to keep the rest of the commandments. It takes time to learn these things, but Yahuwah has long, long patience with us while we are learning and gives us all kinds of encouragement.

            May our Master Yahushua bless and keep you, and draw you more near to His Way. He knows your situation better than you do, and He if more than willing to give you His help, omein.

          • wandakate

            Ok, so you’re in Fl. I spend last winter in Lake City so I don’t think you’re too far from there.
            Most main-stream Christians tells me that the Sabbath isn’t important b/c it’s now Sunday and they call that the “LORD’s Day”. Taking them all apart, all 10 of them, I would think if one of them matters they ALL matter. So if they believe that we shall not murder, or we shall not commit adultery or steal, they why would they disregard or delete the 4th one…REMEMBER the Sabbath day to keep it holy? Sunday actually has pagan roots attached to it as it was the day of the sun and NOT the SON…Constantine changed the actual day when he was an emperor. So anyway, that was my point. Do you think JESUS wants Christians to observe the Sabbath?
            Nice chatting with you. I would pay you all a visit but I don’t plan to be in that area in the future. I have family in Savannah, and that’s about as far south as I go anymore.

          • ShemSilber

            No, we’re in easy driving distance from Lake City.

            Sure enough, when I was in the Sunday church, we called Sunday “the Lord’s Day” and went right along with the Catholic church in using it as a substitute for the Sabbath. And you’re right that they all matter. As James 2:10 says, if we break one, we’re guilty of breaking them all. Yes, we will all be keeping Shabbat and the other called-out meetings during the year, and having a great time doing so!

            When the Master Yahushua comes, it will be on the Feast of Trumpets, the 1st day of the 7th month, by His reckoning, not the Jewish or Roman calendars. Zechariah 14 says that we will be keeping the Feast of Tabernacles, the 15th through the 21st of the 7th month. What a Feast that will be, and in Jerusalem!

            Then we will keep ALL of His Feasts, all people around the world. Some might refuse, but they will have no rain, as Zechariah 14 says, so they will become willing to join in, I’m sure.

            As to travel, I understand quite well. It doesn’t seem to me that we will be going much of anywhere until the Master Yahushua provides a one-way ticket to Jerusalem for the Feasts, and then we will be there forever!

            Thank you for the wonderful chat, and I’m looking forward to meeting with you when we are in the Kingdom and have our new bodies that will never grow old, tired, hungry, sick, or any negative thing, but be full of power and of love and a sound mind, in Yahushua’s Name, omein!

          • ShemSilber

            P.S. If you like, you can find our rabbi’s messages if you go to youtube and use their search box, putting “theramyk/live” in it. There are messages stored there, and may you enjoy them. Thanks again for the chat! Shalom to you, dear Sister, in Yahushua’s Name, omein.

          • wandakate

            I had asked you if you think YESHUA (JESUS) wants Christians to be keeping the Sabbath, but you forgot to answer that one. Does it matter what day they keep as long as they keep one of them?

          • ShemSilber

            My apologies for missing that, and thank you for pointing it out.

            On the one hand, yes, our Master is pleased with anything that we do according to His instructions, whether it’s celebrating Sabbath or helping someone in need or whatever other good works that we do in His Name. All the way through the Scriptures, from Genesis to Revelation, the Master equates loving Him with keeping His commandments. As Psalm 111:10 says, “The fear of Yahuwah is the beginning of wisdom. A good understanding have all those who do His commandments.”

            On the other hand, if their hearts are right with Him, that is, if they trust Him to redeem them from their sins and to give them everlasting life and are not rejecting Him but seeking to do His will, and they are not ashamed of Him but witness that He is the Savior (Romans 10:9), He will indeed save them, because He is both able and zealous to save us. He is our righteousness. He covers the sins of all who trust in Him. He saves us the same way He saved Abraham, for Abraham believed Him, and He counted it to Him for righteousness (Romans 4:3; Galatians 3:6; James 2:23).

            When we are in His Presence in the Kingdom, then it will be that we will keep all His commandments together with Him, as we celebrate with singing, dancing, and other worship, and work with Him in building our Father’s Kingdom for all the endless ages.

            Blessed are all those who come to Him, for He will not turn them away, per John 6:37: “All that the Abba [Father] gives to Me shall come to Me; and he that comes to Me I will in no way cast out,” omein.

          • wandakate

            Hey again, I have gone through all of the scriptures that you wrote here and double checked to be sure they’ll all highlighted in my bible and I had all of them but one, James 2:23.
            I (like James) equate Faith with Works. If we strive to obey the 10 Commandments (all of them) that would be WORK on our part, it would require EFFORT, it would or could require a SACRIFICE, as well as our OBEDIENCE. Our faith just as James told us in verse 26 is DEAD without out WORKS. We are saved by grace but we will be justified by our WORKS. I see in Revelation 22:12…I am coming quickly, and my reward is with me, to give to every one according to his “WORK” and in James 2:25…Was not Rahab the harlot also “justified” by “works” when she received the messengers and sent them out another way? So here; I am seeing that she WAS “justified” by the works she did, and YESHUA will reward us with crowns of glory for our “WORKS”.
            I do not believe we can earn our salvation strictly by our works, but that it is a manifestation of them. We will be saved and then we should want to do the works.
            And in verse 21…I am seeing that Abraham was “justified” by his works. It does seem to me that there was a lot of emphasis put on “WORKS”. In James 3:13 I read…Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good CONDUCT that his WORKS are done in the meekness of wisdom. I also understand all that you have pointed out, both are relevant. I know there were over 600 laws that the people were in bondage under, and I do think they were done away at the cross, i.e. ceremonial laws, sacrificial laws etc. but the Moral laws (Royal laws) of GOD are still valid. They aren’t irrelevant nor are they obsolete for today’s people. We don’t obey them (especially the 4th one) b/c it’s not convenient to do so, and people are mostly following their traditions which have superseded the Big 10. Am I making any sense at all?

          • ShemSilber

            You certainly are making sense! First the Master saves us, and then He inspires us to do the works that will earn us rewards. He actually does the works through us and then give us credit as if we did it on our own. Is that more than fair, or what?

            For instance, in Exodus 32, when Moses and Joshua were on the way down to the camp, and the Master told Moses about the golden calf and that He would start over with Moses to build Israel, who inspired Moses’ plea for the children of Israel but the Master Himself?

            And our Master Yahushua will inspire us likewise to do the works, and reward us according to His great mercy and kindness to us.

            HalleluYAH and omein!

          • wandakate

            What you just said reminds me of Mother Teresa whom the Pope has claimed is now a saint. He credits her with a miracle or two. It was JESUS who gave her the ability to do whatever she did. She possessed no special healing powers on her own, but it was YAHWEH who gave it to her and performed these miracles in which she was given the credit for it. So YES He is certainly merciful, full of grace and more than fair. He gives us the “breath of life” and expects our obedience, He gives us 6 days in which to do our own labor and only asked for 1 day in return for Himself, and He only asked for 10% of our tithe and yet is generous enough to give us 90%. I would say that’s MORE than generous. We don’t appreciate what we have in Him, and we disregard His commandments and we put Him on the back burner of our lives. It does appear that the better He is to us, the worse we seem to be to Him in return. Totally not fair. We are a corrupt bunch, stubborn and set in our ways, who could know the human heart?????

          • ShemSilber

            You reminded me of a couple of references, like Jeremiah 17:9-10 and 10:23-25, not to mention Romans 8:7 that says the carnal mind finds it impossible to follow Torah. We need the Master to help us with that, to give us a mind that responds to the Holy Spirit.

            Your words are very much in agreement with the Scriptures concerning the tithes and the Sabbath. He decreed them for our blessing and not for a burden, per Malachi 3:8-12, Mark 2:23-28 and 1John 5:3. They aren’t something we HAVE to do, but are privileged to do, and He showers us with blessing for learning to do.

            There is one saying I heard that is true: “A saint is a sinner with a Savior.” It is the Master Yahushua who declares us to be saints while we are living, so if Mother Theresa was a saint, she already was one while alive, long before the pope said so.

            Again, you’re right on when you say that we are corrupt, stubborn, and set in our ways. Because of that, there is some strong correction coming for this nation and for all who are in resistance against the Creator. At least SOME will respond to the correction, and they will be blessed for doing so.

            From Numbers 6:24-26: “Yahuwah bless you, and keep you; Yahuwah make His face shine upon you, and be gracious to you; Yahuwah lift up His countenance upon you, and give you shalom,” in the Name of the Master Yahushua, omein.

          • wandakate
          • ShemSilber

            Okeedokee, Sister Wandakate! Will do.

        • kim

          By your assumptions.

          • Rick Derris

            That’s a great rebuttal. /s

          • kim

            lol….okay, i’ll take the bait. Pretty much covers exactly what I meant to say since it is your assuming knowledge of anything and everything of one who thinks that they know all; even when it is on a subject that they do not even believe in. A bit oxy moronic. Reading of a book with self intelligence does not a master of knowledge make.

          • Rick Derris

            Let me know when any conservative “Christian” group says that we should end the drug war because of mercy, or protest war in the name of peace.

          • kim

            The 10 Commandments are Law. The Sermon on the Mount is more of the character of a person. Makes more sense for the Law to be applied to “drug wars” and the character of a person is used when protesting war; so it is a bit of both that is needed. It is helpful for a judge to have mercy when rendering his or her judgment on a case; but not all judges have mercy when calling the shots via the law. This is why Christ said “Blessed are…….” for they will have reward for their kind hearts, etc. The 10 Commandments is the main basis for Law to be carried out. Two different things your talking about here because not all law givers or judges have the Sermon on the Mount kind of hearts when rendering their verdicts of law. Just because you don’t like Christians doesn’t make all that fails their fault you know.

          • Rick Derris

            Wow.

            So God’s Word isn’t really God’s Word.

            Super.

          • kim

            Your reading comprehension is what is “wow”; but mostly it is nil. And, God’s Word IS God’s Word!!! I knew I shoudnt have allowed you to bait me as you are one of those who don’t believe in Christ; yet come to a Christian news post because you must have nothing else to do or maybe you are paid to harass. Don’t really care and if you cant understand what I was saying then I will not even try to explain. I shouldn’t have even engaged with the likes of your writing in the first place.

          • wandakate

            Hopefully we live and grow and learn by our mistakes and then we forsake them. We learn our lessons and don’t go back to repeating them.
            If a sinner, then we have 3 important things to do…
            confess them
            repent of them
            forsake them
            Get right with GOD before it’s too late.

          • wandakate

            Fact is…Truth is…satan is the god of this evil world and money is the second god.
            Of course everything that fails isn’t the fault of the Christians, but they need somebody to place the blame on don’t they?

    • wandakate

      And of course, that’s Moses, not JESUS. Excuse me, but apparently you haven’t read the bible to find out who gave what to who. Exodus 20:1…and GOD spoke all these words (giving the 10 Commandments) to Moses.
      GOD himself gave the 10 Commandments to Moses. They were the “laws of GOD”, they were NOT the laws of Moses…
      The first set was smashed and GOD wrote the onto 2 tablets of stone with His own finger. Exodus 31:18…And when He had made an end of speaking with him (Moses) on Mt. Sinai, He gave Moses TWO TABLETS of stone, written with the finger of GOD. Exodus 32:16…Now the tablets were the work of GOD (not Moses). They were binding for 1,000 generations. They are NOT obsolete, they are NOT invalid and neither are they irrelevant. We break them, even though we were Commanded not to. They (the big 10) were NOT suggestions but commandments from Almighty GOD. Now, see Exodus 34: 1…GOD told Moses that He would rewrite the words on 2 tablets of stone b/c Moses broke the first two.
      We have a right to believe or not believe, and GOD has the right to punish and judge those who disobey them and don’t believe.
      We have a free choice, and hopefully people will realize this and choose wisely. I’ve often heard people call them the “law of Moses” or the “Jewish laws.” They were NOT either, but were the Laws of GOD meant to be observed.

      • Rick Derris

        It’s been five days.

        You’re too late to the party

        Better luck next time.

      • ShemSilber

        It’s useless to argue with people like Rick Derris. He’s an unbeliever and for the time being at least that’s where he insists of being stuck. His day of visitation may come when the Master will encourage him to change his mind, but the Master never forces us, because that would violate the free choice that He gave us. Don’t forget that we were also once in darkness, but Yahushua leads us into the light, per Isaiah 9:2. We see that light from afar, and it takes a while to draw near. Shalom.

  • BobbyHead

    The godless progressive liberals are calling the U.S. Constitution a living document. This means you can interpret the meaning of it any way that fits the present progressive mob
    thinking of the day by wicked judges. That’s why we need and addendum that puts
    God Almighty and His Son Jesus the Lord of all, in an updated U.S.Constitution.

    This should be a new preamble to the U.S. Constitution:

    WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES recognizing the being and
    attributes of almighty God, the divine Authority of the Holy Scriptures, the
    law of God as the paramount rule, and Jesus the Messiah, the Savior and Lord of
    all, in order to form a more perfect union do ordain and establish this Constitution
    of the United States of America.

    • Rick Derris

      That preamble would directly contradict everything the Constitution says about religion.

      • BobbyHead

        We need a new preamble that puts the God of the Bible, and His son, the Lord Jesus the creator of all and Lord of all, in the U.S. Constitution.

        WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES recognizing the being and
        attributes of almighty God, the divine Authority of the Holy Scriptures, the
        law of God as the paramount rule, and Jesus the Messiah, the Savior and Lord of all, in order to form a more perfect union do ordain and establish this Constitution of the United States of America.

        • Rick Derris

          No, we don’t.

          • BobbyHead

            You would be more free if we all had a preamble in the Constitution that could describe the god of the Bible through his son Jesus Christ we will have more freedom much more freedom and God would bless this economy I will think for sure

          • Rick Derris

            How would non-Christians be more free with this?

          • BobbyHead

            How would they not be free?

          • Rick Derris

            Would you feel more free if the preamble said that there was no god but Allah, and Mohammed is his prophet?

            I really don’t know why it has to be explained that creating a Theocracy discriminates and takes away the freedom of those that aren’t a part of that particular faith.

          • Rookheight

            How does including a fairy tale in the Constitution make anyone more free?

    • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

      I prefer religious freedom instead of a theocracy.

      • BobbyHead

        You don’t have to have a theocracy to Simply abide by the laws of God according to the Bible.
        you will have more freedom. There would not be a Church theocracy tovdictate the laws of God according to the Bible, that would already be there. It would all be a government issue of civil government.

        • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

          You don’t have to have a theocracy to Simply abide by the laws of God according to the Bible.

          It is when it’s part of the document that says how my government operates.

          For example, am I required to “have no other gods”?
          Am I required to keep the sabbath holy?

          you will have more freedom.

          I disagree.

          • BobbyHead

            We will have more freedoms and a strong Nation if we recognize Jesus as the Lord of all.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            No, we’d have a theocracy, which is terrible.

          • BobbyHead

            That would not be a theocracy, it would be a civil matter.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            That would not be a theocracy, it would be a civil matter.

            When religious laws are enforced by the government, it’s a theocracy.

          • Rick Derris

            I’m honestly baffled as to how he doesn’t see that.

          • OhNoodlyOne

            He’s completely delusional.

          • Rookheight

            How will we have more freedoms if we all agree to share in your delusion?

          • BobbyHead

            You can still worship your false gods if we recognized the God of the Bible as the true and living God through His Son Jesus the Lord of all.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            You can still worship your false gods if we recognized the God of the Bible as the true and living God through His Son Jesus the Lord of all.

            What do you mean “we”? You can, I don’t.

      • BobbyHead

        You will have religious freedom with a new preamble recognizing the God of the Bible and Jesus as the Lord of all. It would no be a theocracy to obey God’s laws. It would simply be a civil matter not a Church matter.

        • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

          It would no be a theocracy to obey God’s laws. It would simply be a civil matter not a Church matter.

          That’s a theocracy.

    • OhNoodlyOne

      LOL no

  • Doug Indeap

    Separation of church and state is a bedrock principle of our Constitution. In the first place, the Supreme Court has thoughtfully, authoritatively, and repeatedly decided as much; it is long since established law and a fundamental American value. In the second place, the Court is right. Just as the founders did not simply say in the Constitution that there should be separation of powers and checks and balances, but rather actually separated the powers of government among three branches and established checks and balances, they also did not merely say there should be separation of church and state, and rather actually separated them by (1) establishing a secular government on the power of “We the people” (not a deity), (2) according that government only limited, enumerated powers, (3) saying nothing to connect that government to god(s) or religion, (4) saying nothing to give that government power over matters of god(s) or religion, and (5), indeed, saying nothing substantive about god(s) or religion at all except in a provision precluding any religious test for public office. Given the norms of the day (by which governments generally were grounded in some appeal to god(s)), the founders’ avoidance of any expression in the Constitution suggesting that the government is somehow based on any religious belief was quite a remarkable and plainly intentional choice. They later buttressed this separation of government and religion with the First Amendment, which affirmatively constrains the government from undertaking to establish religion or prohibit individuals from freely exercising their religions.

    A common mistake is to suppose that the Constitution’s separation of church and state is only or primarily a First Amendment textual matter. While courts typically point to the easiest and most obvious manifestation of the principle, i.e., the First Amendment, as the basis of their decisions, the principle rests on much more than just that Amendment. Madison, for one, expressed his understanding that the original Constitution (before addition of the First Amendment) separated church and state.

    It is important to distinguish between “individual” and “government” speech about religion since the Constitution protects the former and constrains the latter. The First Amendment’s free exercise clause assures that each individual is free to exercise and express his or her religious views–publicly as well as privately. The Amendment’s establishment clause constrains only the government not to promote or otherwise take steps toward establishment of religion.

    With respect to symbols and such, generally, if a monument is displayed “by” a government on its land, then that likely will be regarded as “government speech” to be assessed for compliance with the establishment clause. If a monument is displayed by a private person or group on government land, it may well be regarded as “individual speech” to be evaluated under the free exercise clause. In the latter case, the government, of course, cannot discriminate against particular religions and thus generally must allow other persons or groups equal opportunity to express their religious views on the government land. In sorting this out, much depends on the details of each case as the Van Orden and McCreary County cases illustrate (in which the government’s display of the 10 commandments was okay in one case and not in the other).

    • BobbyHead

      Let me educate you. Separation of Church and state is found no where in our U.S. Constitution.

      • Doug Indeap

        That the words “separation of church and state” do not appear in the text of the Constitution assumes much importance, it seems, to some who once mistakenly supposed they were there and, upon learning of their own error, fancy they’ve solved a Constitutional mystery. The absence of the metaphorical phrase commonly used to name one of its principles, though, is no more consequential than the absence of other phrases (e.g., separation of powers, checks and balances, federalism) used to describe other undoubted Constitutional principles.

      • Tim White

        Neither is the phrase “freedom of religion”, but few if any could argue that it doesn’t exist.

        • BobbyHead

          Good come back to Zappa, who is deflecting my comment when I told him that the words “separation of church and state” are not found anywhere in the US Constitution.

          • Rookheight

            It’s not “deflection” when he explained why your point is moot. Nobody is saying that the words “separation of church and state” are in the Constitution. But everyone who understands the First Amendment knows that the concept of state/church separation, quite obviously, is.

          • BobbyHead

            And everyone know that marriage between a man and woman only is quite obviously understood.

          • Rookheight

            Why would you return to a state/church discussion three days later to rant about same-sex marriage? Just got gay on the mind, I suppose?

          • wandakate

            Well they should understand that but apparently they don’t. Marriage between a male and a female or a man and a woman has always been the rule (at least all of my life) that is. But now we seem to be finding ourselves in a new world of morals (or should I say no morals) and standards. Many want to break the rules of what has always been and do it differently now. Nothing is being hidden from GOD, he knows about all of it, and his judgment day will come, like it or not.

          • kim

            The words used were to protect the Church from the State whereas the State can not impose their laws and or ways on the Church. This is all it was meant to say and or be. Everyone takes it out of context.

          • Rookheight

            What you’re saying sounds good but it’s not historically accurate. Look up Madison’s Memorial and Remonstrance, for instance, and Jefferson’s Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom. The founders meant to ensure that the government was not able to impose one set of religious values on the people, not just that it would keep out of churches.

          • kim

            Thank you. Means pretty much the same. The government has no place to impose anything on any Church or any religion with the exception of any religion that adheres to a separate set of laws that do not assimilate to the laws of the land. Simple as that and only fair in every situation that would cause blood shed because of any separate set of laws not of the country it abodes in.

          • wandakate

            If the state can’t impose their laws on the church then what’s the 501C3 all about?

          • kim

            I was corrected somewhere on here, in that, the words used are meant to protect the Church from the government imposing their own view of religion on any religion. As far as the 501C3 goes; I do not believe that the Church should even use that tax exemption at all. My Church does not use 501C3 and we have done just fine for 60 plus years. If God’s Word is being taught in Truth in any Church then that Church is Blessed and has no need for help from the government. This is my humble opinion and it has worked just fine with us. We pay our taxes.

          • Tim White

            Actually, I’m saying that even if the words are not there, the concept is.

          • BobbyHead

            Then we can clearly say by your anology that homosexual marriage is not in the Constitution but marriage between a woman and a man is in th Constitution, that’s by your analogy.

          • Tim White

            No, you can’t say that, as marriage isn’t mentioned in the Constitution at all, whereas religion is.

          • BobbyHead

            I’m saying that even though the words marriage between two queers is not there and neither is the concept there.

          • Tim White

            No form of marriage is mentioned in the Constitution, so no form of marriage must be legal, correct?

          • wandakate

            GOD made them legal between Adam and Eve before there ever was a Constitution…GOD’s laws came first, and man’s laws followed years later.

          • Tim White

            What you believe your god did or did not allow has no bearing on marriage in the United States. No religious approval is required for anyone to get married, nor is a religious ceremony required.

          • wandakate

            Unless one has a “Certificate” of marriage then according to the laws of this United States they are NOT married.
            GOD “never” approved of any marriages that did not consist of a man and a woman. He “never” approved same sex marriages or marriages to animals or to children or multiple marriages or marriages to one self etc. In the eyes of GOD they are all null and void, they are nothing but unions, but they are NOT marriages.

          • Tim White

            You’re talking about what you believe and want to be true. I’m talking about what is actually legally true.

            At this point, any two people can get married, baring any legal prohibitions, and it is a marriage in the eyes of the law.

            What your religious beliefs say it is really only matters to you and those who share your beliefs.

          • wandakate

            Really? The laws of GOD almighty and the laws of mortal man are TWO different and separate laws. SIN Is the transgression of the law. Man may approve, GOD doesn’t approve, and we’re accountable to GOD, we’re not accountable to man, therefore I will go with what GOD told us, and not what man is in agreement with. Sin is sin, regardless. Today’s average man doesn’t know right from wrong. They disregard GOD’s law and wish to make their own rules. They want to be accountable to no one but themselves. And that’s not how I want to believe, but that is how it is, the truth. When you know the truth, the truth will set you free. There is a heaven and a hell and what we do in this life will have an eternal effect on the eternal life ahead.

          • Tim White

            Those are your beliefs and you are entitled to hold them. However, neither I, anyone else or our legal system are bound by or to them.

          • wandakate

            And good luck with that. You’ll face JESUS on judgment day whether or not you believe it now is up to you. Sleep well and give all that some thought would you? In the end of it all it’s going to be GOD’s way, not man’s way.

          • ShemSilber

            All religion aside, there is a higher Power to which all human governments must answer in the end, regardless of whether they believe in that Power or not. Those who wrote the phony laws of marriage that do not correspond to the Scriptural teaching will answer to the Supreme Court of Creation, the Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus) our Messiah presiding. He is the only fair and righteous Judge in all creation, as we will all find out sooner or later, and hopefully not too late for salvation, for He has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that we should all turn from our Torah violations and LIVE, omein.

          • Tim White

            I always find it interesting when someone completely denies faith, when they appear to be trying to defend it.

          • ShemSilber

            It seems as if you are confusing religion, which is riddled with many of the evil one’s lies and obfuscations, with faith, which is in the Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus) and not in religion. That’s understandable, because I used to think that anyone who was not in a church was certainly bound for Gei-Hinnom, the Lake of Fire. Now that the Master Yahushua has invited me out of the churches (Isaiah 52:11-12; Revelation 18:4-5) and I finally accepted the invitation, I am finally learning about the true liberty that is within Torah, for grace and Torah go hand-in-hand, and not in opposition, as the churches teach. HalleluYAH and omein, in Yahushua’s Name, omein!

          • Tim White

            I’m not confusing anything. You stated that there is a higher power that all must answer to, whether they believe it or not. That is an absolute statement. Absolute statements regarding a deity’s existence deny faith.

          • ShemSilber

            On the contrary, absolute statements AFFIRM faith in our Creator, the Master Yahushua. I’ll listen to you when you can speak logically. Otherwise forget it. May Yahuwah have mercy on your deluded mind, in Yahushua’s Name, omein.

          • Tim White

            No, they do not. If you think they do, you do not understand faith or logic.

      • ZappaSaid88

        The phrase “original sin” isn’t in the Bible either.

        • BobbyHead

          The words sin is in the Bible.

          • wandakate

            SIN is the transgression of the law…The word abomination means the same as the word sin.

    • peanut butter

      Separation of church and state appears NOWHERE in our constitution, per se. It is a term that was coined by Thomas Jefferson in a mere letter to the Danbury Baptist, in the context that the wall was simply to keep the government out of the church’s business. It was never meant to keep religion out of the government. If so, why would the Founders of our country place so many religious symbols of the Judeo-Christian religion in the first buildings that they built all around and in the city of Washington, D.C.? That sounds kind of stupid, if their intention was to keep religion out of the government. In that Supreme Court decision you mention, somebody found that MERE letter to the church and misinterpreted it, much like our present SCOTUS misinterpreted the Constitution to allow gay marriage.

      Here’s the letter that Jefferson wrote that was misinterpreted:

      Letter to the Danbury Baptists

      January 1, 1802

      To messers. Nehemiah Dodge, Ephraim Robbins, & Stephen S. Nelson, a committee of the Danbury Baptist association in the state of Connecticut.

      Gentlemen

      The affectionate sentiments of esteem and approbation which you are so good as to express towards me, on behalf of the Danbury Baptist association, give me the highest satisfaction. my duties dictate a faithful and zealous pursuit of the interests of my constituents, & in proportion as they are persuaded of my fidelity to those duties, the discharge of them becomes more and more pleasing.

      Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between Man & his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legitimate powers of government reach actions only, & not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should “make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,” thus building a wall of separation between Church & State. Adhering to this expression of the supreme will of the nation in behalf of the rights of conscience, I shall see with sincere satisfaction the progress of those sentiments which tend to restore to man all his natural rights, convinced he has no natural right in opposition to his social duties.

      I reciprocate your kind prayers for the protection & blessing of the common father and creator of man, and tender you for yourselves & your religious association, assurances of my high respect & esteem.

      Th. Jefferson

      • Doug Indeap

        The Constitution separates church and state in the various ways noted in my earlier comment. The absence of the metaphorical phrase “separation of church and state” commonly used to name one of the Constitution’s principles is no more consequential than the absence of other phrases (e.g., separation of powers, checks and balances, federalism) used to describe other undoubted Constitutional principles. One cannot refuse to recognize the founders’ manifest intent merely because they were not prescient enough to express that intent in certain magic words that, a couple hundred years later, you would demand of them.

        To the extent that some nonetheless would like confirmation–in those very words–of the founders’ intent to separate government and religion, Madison and Jefferson supplied it. Madison, who had a central role in drafting the Constitution and the First Amendment, confirmed that he understood them to “[s]trongly guard[] . . . the separation between Religion and Government.” Madison, Detached Memoranda (~1820). Indeed, he understood the original Constitution–without the First Amendment–to separate religion and government. He made plain, too, that they guarded against more than just laws creating state sponsored churches or imposing a state religion. Mindful that even as new principles are proclaimed, old habits die hard and citizens and politicians could tend to entangle government and religion (e.g., as Madison noted, by “the appointment of chaplains to the two houses of Congress” and “for the army and navy” and “[r]eligious proclamations by the Executive recommending thanksgivings and fasts”), he considered the question whether these actions were “consistent with the Constitution, and with the pure principle of religious freedom” and responded: “In strictness the answer on both points must be in the negative. The Constitution of the United States forbids everything like an establishment of a national religion.”

        Some try to pass off the Supreme Court’s decision in Everson v. Board of Education as simply a reading or even misreading of Jefferson’s letter to the Danbury Baptists–as if that were the only basis of the Court’s decision. Instructive as that letter is, it played but a small part in the Court’s decision. Rather, the Court discussed the historical context in which the Constitution and First Amendment were drafted, noting the expressed understanding of Madison perhaps even more than Jefferson, and only after concluding its analysis and stating its conclusion did the Court refer–once–to Jefferson’s letter, largely to borrow his clever metaphor as a label or summary of its conclusion. The notion, often heard (and often promoted on fringe websites), that the Court rested its decision solely or largely on that letter is a red herring.

  • BobbyHead

    This should be a new preamble to the U.S. Constitution:

    WE THE PEOPLE OF THE UNITED STATES recognizing the being and
    attributes of almighty God, the divine Authority of the Holy Scriptures, the
    law of God as the paramount rule, and Jesus the Messiah, the Savior and Lord of
    all, in order to form a more perfect union do ordain and establish this Constitution
    of the United States of America.

    • Tim White

      Fortunately, it never will be.

    • Rookheight

      Your suggestion could not be much more un-American. We left England largely to avoid just the sort of nonsense you want.

  • BobbyHead

    We would have much more freedom if we put in our preamble of the Constitution that the God of the Bible and His Son Jesus the Lord and creator of man and the universe is what this Nation depends on.

    • Amos Moses

      while that may be true …….. it is not what He intended for this country ………..

      • BobbyHead

        Who is he?

        • Amos Moses

          He is God/Christ ………..

    • http://www.nomorebadtown.com NoMoreBadTown

      How would that grant us more freedom?

    • OhNoodlyOne

      Why don’t you move to a christian nation then? This is a secular nation and it will always be secular.

      • BobbyHead

        I said this is a Christian Nation, in rebellion against God Almighty.

        • OhNoodlyOne

          Then you’re wrong, and your imaginary friend is Unmighty.

    • BobbyHead

      This is a Christian Nation.

  • Amos Moses

    Congress Passes Bipartisan Effort To Block Production Of ‘God’s Not Dead 3’
    August 31, 2016

    • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

      Do you often quote fake headlines from a gag website?

      • Amos Moses

        Not a gagsite…… Satire ….. And when the mood strikes…..

        • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

          So how come my comment pointing out that your headline was fake was removed, but your fake headline remains?

          • Amos Moses

            you are asking me ……. i am not a moderator …..

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            Did you flag my comment?

          • Amos Moses

            i do not flag comments unless it contains advertising …….. yours do not ….. unless you have some way for someone to make $xxxxx next week ………..

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            Well, “getting a job” would be my answer.

          • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

            Hmm, it seems that mentioning that “Congress Passes Bipartisan Effort To Block Production Of ‘God’s Not Dead 3’” isn’t a real news story gets a comment deleted.

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Do you often follow posters around telling them what to do?

        • King Arthropod Pendragonfly

          Do you often follow posters around telling them what to do?

          I’m not following them around, I’m reading responses to an article I’ve commented on.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Is that what you’ve decided to call it today?

  • Amos Moses

    Heard a good one ……. what A-theists fear most ……. is spontaneous human conversion ……..

  • kim

    If the U.S. was never a Christian nation; then WHY are they having to go around the country with their big money to take down ALL the Christian wordings? Why, in our Court of Law have we ALWAYS sworn to tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help me GOD; on a Holy Bible….if we were never a Christian nation? Why is there so much PROOF to take down of GOD if we were never a Christian nation? evil is what is at work and there will be God’s Wrath to endure soon enough. REPENT while you can!!!

    • Tim White

      You’re confusing the idea that we are a Christian nation officially (which we have never been) with us being a Christian nation demographically.

      In other words, most Americans at least claim to be Christian and this is reflected in certain aspects of our society. However, neither our government nor our laws are Christian, and it is primarily in those areas that you now see steps being taken to reflect that.

      • kim

        What is confusing of ALL the Christian wordings having to be taken down if we were never a Christian nation to begin with? Why were they originally there some for many decades and some from the beginning of America? Why in a court of law is there is Holy Bible that was sworn upon to tell the truth as a witness in a trial? Why is there so much to be taken down to begin with if the U.S. was never a Christian nation? Makes no sense and only proves that it was a Christian nation when there is so much to be taken away or destroyed. This was a Christian nation that tolerated other religions without the Christians bothering the other religions practice unless it held laws against the Constitution; But the Constitution is even under attack now; so tell me again that this nation hasn’t been seized by our enemies.

        • Tim White

          Again, you’re confusing social with official. Many things were put up that have be taken down as people challenge them. That doesn’t mean they were ever official, or at least officially okay (as in constitutional), and it absolutely does not mean we were ever officially a Christian nation.

          And, solely because you keep bringing it up, no one has to swear on a bible in a courtroom nor have they had to for years.

          I’m quite aware of our founding documents, but you seem to be unaware that NONE of them give credence to the idea that we are a Christian nation that simply tolerates other religions.

          We are, officially, a secular nation that holds no one religion above any other.

          I direct you to the Treaty of Tripoli, ratified unanimously ten years (1797) after the Constitution itself was ratified, which states “As the government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded upon the Christian religion;”

          This was not ratified by some radical congress. It was ratified by some of the very same men who created this country.

          • kim

            I am in no way “confused.” You choose a treaty of Tripoli to sort of uphold your twisting of truth? A treaty? Perhaps your corrupting and twisting of facts as in the Declaration of Independence and the like, to fit your agenda would do better to tell truth. Do you even realize that prayer and scripture reading was in the Public School System’s until about the 1960’s? Why get so bent on what is and twist it to be what it wasn’t? Say what you will; and i’m sure that you will; but this secular agenda got larger and larger as time went on and infiltration of communistic or some call it progressive anti-American belief’s erupted in Official capacity through the years to now. You can not erase History; or rather, yes I guess you can as History has been changed for our Public School kids to learn and they are not even learning whole truths as much has been taken out of the History Books. Never has there been so many people in this country that hate this country; So what does that tell you? It should tell you that many things have been changed and NOT for the better.

          • Tim White

            By your very words, you show that you are not open to actually understanding this issue. You’ve made up your mind, and apparently no amount of information is going to change it.

            This is not a Christian nation, in the sense of how it was founded nor in how it was intended to be governed. It never has been, nor will it ever be.

            I’m sorry you don’t understand the wisdom of that.

          • kim

            If there were any “wisdom” then it would be worth listening to.

          • Tim White

            The wisdom of how this country was founded, and how it is to be governed is simply this; a secular government, one beholden to no one religion but dedicated to the free expression of all, is the only one that can protect the religious freedom of all it’s citizens. A government that must bow to any one religion is a threat to all other religions.

          • kim

            The government NEVER “bowed” to the Christians. Just because you are a Christian hater does not make a secular government work. It was the morals that kept things on an even keel and you will never understand that because you hate Christianity as if it controlled this country and it did not; it influenced the moralities and now that you and others have removed God’s Blessings with all the anti- God craziness; We as a nation will fall and we are falling if you haven’t noticed. Get ready for the global agenda because that is what you America and God haters wanted. See how you like the input of a foreign dictator’s input on our way of life here; especially the dictators that have a problem with human rights; as in they don’t care for any humans rights, much less if they live like humans to begin with. They wont care if your kids get health care or your elderly parents and they wont care if you have a decent place to live much less a decent job and definitely they do not care if you have food to eat.

          • Tim White

            Please stop projecting your fears onto me. I do not hate Christians, Christianity or any other religion or theist, even if I disagree with them or do not share their beliefs. Nor do I live in fear of foreign dictators.

            I simply understand and appreciate why our government must remain neutral when it comes to religion, and support all efforts to ensure it does.

          • kim

            Didn’t know that I was “projecting fear” Especially, when I have no fear. Facts are just facts in reference to the global agenda. Never mind. Lets just end this back and forth of getting nowhere. You take care.

          • Tim White

            And you as well. Thank you for the civil discussion.

    • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

      Amen.

  • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Kingdom Ambassador

    Until America returns to her 17th-century Christian Colonial roots, re-instating Yahweh’s triune moral law (the Ten Commandments and their respective statutes and judgments) as the law of the land, hanging the Ten Commandments on the walls of our government buildings will only prove to be a confession of our rejection of Yahweh as our sovereign and His law as supreme.

    Ten Commandment monuments in front of Ten Commandment void Court Houses are as hypocritical as crosses hung around the necks of those who reject the Lordship of Christ over every aspect of their lives.

    For more on how Yahweh’s moral law applies and should be implemented today, see free online book “Law and Kingdom: Their Relevance Under the New Covenant.” Click on my picture, then our website. Go to our Online Books page and scroll down to title.

    Then see “A Biblical Constitution: A Scriptural Replacement for Secular Government.”

    • Grundune

      Advertising for your wacky campaign again? Please explain the real reason you are trying to get the U.S. Constitution abolished? Do you not want Americans to continue to enjoy liberty and freedom? Why do you want one-man rule? We’ve tried that, rejected it, fought a revolutionary war and established a constitutional republic.

      Now you want it torn down!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

      What are your reasons? I know why socialists, Communists, liberals, progressives, Sharia-law Muslims and Hillary Clinton want it destroyed, but I don’t know why a self proclaimed Christian preacher does.

    • http://www.bibleversusconstitution.org/ Kingdom Ambassador

      Mr. Grundune is a Mormon who rejects Christ and the Word of God (see John
      1:1-3, 14; 1 Timothy 3:15, 2 John 1:7-11, etc.) and whose “Doctrine and
      Covenants” demand he defend the Constitution as divinely inspired
      (D&C 101:80, etc.), in similar fashion as he does the Book of
      Mormon. He knows if the Constitution is exposed for the biblically
      seditious document it is, that the entire Mormon house of cards comes tumbling down.

    • Grundune

      Kingdom Ambassador is misinformed about the U.S. Constitution and Mormons among other things. And he refuses to to accept the truth about both.

      Mormons declare that Christ is the son of God and was sent to redeem the world.
      Mormons pray to Heavenly Father as Christ teaches us in the Bible and they do it in the name of Jesus Christ.

      Mormons do generally believe that the framers of the U.S. Constitution were inspired by God, but the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is founded on revelation
      from God NOT the success or failure of the U.S. Constitution.

      Ted R. Weiland keeps repeating his false information even though he has been repeatedly told to the truth.

      Grundune exposes Kingdom Ambassador aka Ted R. Weiland because of Grundune’s service in the U.S. Army where he took an oath to support and defend the Constitution against all enemies foreign and domestic.

      Weiland twists the meaning of the words of the U.S. Constitution and then proclaims it seditious to the Bible. This deception irritates Grundune and prompts him to respond to this traitor.

      Weiland has waged his campaign with the obvious intent of turning public opinion against the Constitution. He will not reveal his motives for wanting to destroy a
      document that has afforded generations of Americans unprecedented freedom and liberty.

  • Gregory Alan of Johnson

    It fascinates me, a Romans 10:9 Believer, of the lack of knowledge of the spiritual jurisdiction of secular municipal corporations, which are under Satan per Genesis 3 and Matthew 4:8-9, yet folk still try to get items of faith posted as though those efforts will change the hearts of the populace to repentance. Our own repentance is what will move the Holy Spirit to bring conviction of sin to this land for Awakening/Revival, not a monument.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    America belongs to God; every American should memorize the Ten Commandments to be lawful. That’s what American education and American liberty is all about.

  • Chet

    the Cross…Aw, tell those atheistic crybabies to go pack sand. Keep the painting up, dare to be a Daniel and watch how God Almighty works. No more buckling at the knees in the face of liberal adversity only to drop and roll over. Stand Up, Stand Up for Jesus Ye Soldiers of The Cross…

  • Ted Damos

    The Atheists can go to Hell with their protest.