U.S. Supreme Court Declines to Hear Case of Kansas Parents Concerned State Science Standards Promote Atheism

school-book-pdWASHINGTON — The U.S. Supreme Court has declined to hear an appeal from a Kansas citizen’s group that expressed concern over state science standards, which they assert indoctrinates children as young as kindergarten with atheism.

“It’s not that they can’t talk about [biblical Creation],” Jim McNiece, chairman of the Kansas Board of Education, told reporters this past week following the court’s denial of certiorari. “They’re not prohibited from talking about it if students ask questions. It probably happens in the classrooms on a more regular basis than people realize, but it’s also part of the parents’ responsibility. We still believe parents are the primary educators of their children.”

As previously reported, in June 2013, the Kansas Board of Education joined 25 other states and the National Research Council to adopt new science standards for kindergarten through 12th grade that included the teaching of evolutionary biology.

But the accepted guidelines were opposed by the Citizens for Objective Public Education (COPE), along with a number of Christian parents in the state, “who seek to instill in their children a belief that life is a creation made for a purpose, that does not end on death and is not simply a purposeless occurrence that is the product of an unguided evolutionary process.”

In filing a lawsuit to stop the standards from going into effect, families representing a total of 18 children asserted that the origin of life is an inherently religious topic, and that the new guidelines essentially promote the religion of atheism and materialism.

“[T]his case is actually about a concealed Orthodoxy that requires all explanations provided by science to be materialistic/atheistic. It is particularly problematic in the area of origins science which addresses ultimate religious questions, like: Where do we come from?” explained John Calvert, one of the attorneys on the case.

It was also argued that the curriculum, by mandating that children be taught evolution from kindergarten, showed that the school board has the intention to indoctrinate youth with secularism.

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“The effect of teaching for thirteen years only the materialistic/atheistic side of a religious controversy to an audience that is not age appropriate is religious, not educationally objective, and is indicative of an intent to inculcate and establish that non-theistic religious worldview in the children,” the legal complaint contended.

But a district court dismissed the case in 2014, concluding that COPE had failed to show any actual injury and therefore lacked standing, and in April, the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals affirmed the dismissal, stating that the standards are not binding on districts.

“In sum, because the districts may choose not to adopt the standards, or may alter the standards in ways that alleviate Appellants’ concerns, potential future injury from the standards themselves is speculative and insufficient to support standing,” it ruled. “[N]othing prevents school districts from adding to or altering the standards as they develop curricula.”

COPE appealed the ruling to the U.S. Supreme Court, and on Thursday, the court declined to take the case without comment.

As of press time, COPE had not yet released remarks on the decision.


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  • Nedd Kareiva

    Classic case for removing kids from public schools and putting them in a private, parochial or home school, not to mention the story a couple days ago about a San Antonio school whose students put together a skit that would take our our President Elect. The public school system is irredeemable. I don’t know if Mr. Trump sees it that way but since he has broadly called for school choice, we need to move our country towards that end and it is a positive step in the right direction.

    • Oboehner

      Trump said a lot of things, already reneged on sending Hillary to prison….

      • Nedd Kareiva

        Concerning, admittedly, but I wouldn’t throw in the towel just yet. Some sources are saying Trump is playing light on some things because of the time bomb (Obama) in the White House. He already told the press he personally saw Obama’s birth certificate, only to say privately later that he didn’t. He said what he said to diffuse and throw off the press. So he may be playing it up on the press again. We’ll just have to watch.

        • Nidalap

          It’s kind of concerning that you basically said that Trump will lie to further his goals but didn’t even stop to consider that you might be who he’s lying to…

        • The Skeptical Chymist

          Sounds like you’re coming to the conclusion that Trump lies whenever it suits his purpose. Some of us came to that conclusion years ago. He’s a con man who’s made what money he has by cheating others and running people into bankruptcy. I fear he’ll run true to form as president. Oh well, it was a nice country while it lasted.

          • Nedd Kareiva

            I guess you’ve been diagnosed with TARD (Trump Acceptance Resistance Disorder). Please get help.

          • The Skeptical Chymist

            Wow! Did you think of that insult all by yourself? I’m so impressed!

          • Nedd Kareiva

            Can’t take credit for its originality but judging by your response, I guess you have it.

        • Oboehner

          even more disturbing considering he already made it through the election. I won’t hold my breath.

  • Oboehner

    Get religion out of government schools!! *unless of course it’s our religion*

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      Exactly. Secular West is a sad civilization now attacking its own long-standing conscience.

      • johndoe

        How so? Because we dont want teach nonsense like creation?

    • johndoe

      Science isnt religion!

      • Oboehner

        Right, but evolution is faith based – therefore it is a religion.

        • Tangent002

          To quote the President-elect: “Wrong.”

          • Oboehner

            Oh, because you say so.. or whatever.

        • johndoe

          Not faith based at all. Too funny! There many GB of info on evolution that is all research based. Show me through science how snakes talk, men can walk on water, and people can come back from the dead.

          • Oboehner

            Show me through science how the faith of others in any way proves yours, exploding dots, magically appearing life and all. Then produce some documentation on the last billion years or so.

        • Jenny Ondioline

          Evolution is not faith-based. It is science-based. Therefore not a religion – unlike what you choose to follow.

          • Oboehner

            Have a photo of the “common ancestor” or do I have to take it on faith it ever existed like you do?

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Sure, I’ll present it when you present a photo of your God.

          • Oboehner

            Why is it you blind faith evolutionists have to keep brining up the beliefs of others in some feeble, lame attempt to prove yours? If it’s science, show the picture – or do I need to continue to take it on faith?

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Blind faith is what you have. We accept science based on methodology, testing, analyzing of data, etc. Obviously it isn’t possible to take a picture of something several million years ago but that isn’t necessary. You are closing your eyes and ears to all the possibilities around having that picture taken and claiming victory based on that, and I’m suspecting that brings you guffaws of laughter wherever you go.

          • Oboehner

            “Obviously it isn’t possible to take a picture of something several million years ago…” Right along with photographs, no one has ANY data from millions of years ago – ALL of the “methodology” or “data” is based purely on assumption (faith that the earth is in fact billions of years old).

            No it doesn’t bring laughter, no one can prove me wrong, it just brings silly irrelevant statements like: “God who poofed everything into existence…” When I can just reply: When you made the decision to believe in an exploding dot that poofed everything into existence, Life
            just magically popped out of ooze and somehow it became all of the complex life
            forms we see today – purely by random chance, you made a decision as off the wall as the accusations you make.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Your evangelical church taught you that, and they’re about the least qualified to make such judgments.

          • Oboehner

            Every time you bring up the beliefs of others, you just look more and more desperate.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Why? It’s the one thing you’re terrified to look at. You’re fine to attack science, evolution, etc., but when anyone points out that you’re a believer in the talking donkey, you bury your head in the sand. I mean that’s pathetic.

          • Oboehner

            Now who’s lying? I never attacked science, I only pointed out evolution is a religion. I also never said what I believe.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            “Now who’s lying? I never attacked science, I only pointed out evolution is a religion.”

            And by doing so you are lying, because evolution is a science. Go to your library sometime and tell us what section the evolution books are under. You’re going to spend a long time in the fiction section, I can tell you that right now. But of course all libraries are wrong because Satan.

          • Oboehner

            “evolution is a science” There’s a lie.

            “Go to your library sometime and tell us what section the evolution books are under” LOL, there’s proof, I believe now!! or whatever…

            “But of course all libraries are wrong because Satan” Desperation ad hominem. It must be very sad knowing nothing about your religion – just relying on blind faith.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Evolution is a science. If you think that’s a lie then you also believe the dictionary is lying to you.

            “LOL, there’s proof, I believe now!” No, it wasn’t presented as proof. It was presented to show how completely detached from reality you are when this is the accepted , conventional, PROVEN wisdom we have on the matter.

            “Blind faith”. How funny you are so good at the attack, and yet never present your own thoughts/beliefs/faith.

          • Oboehner

            More appeal to authority crap. Further proving all you have is blind faith.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            I don’t appeal to authority. There’s no “appealing” involved since I’m dealing with facts. I consult.

          • Oboehner

            You have no facts, you haven’t posted even the tiniest morsel of proof – just your blind faith.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Call it blind faith all you like, I know settled science when I see it – and clearly so does our education system, our library system, and practically everyone else in the world.

          • Oboehner

            The problem is you don’t know anything or you would have given at least one shred of proof in your own words, proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that you are just running on blind faith. Your arguments are so lame, if I wasn’t bored, I wouldn’t even bother with this.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            I’m not an idiot. I’ve played this game with you before. Anything I give you is immediately shot down. The very idea of you looking at a piece of evidence where you’d go “Oh, wow, well I guess I’ve been proven wrong then?” Come on. You know it’s not going to happen. You’d always find some way to sneer at it, no matter how airtight it was.

          • Oboehner

            “Anything I give you is immediately shot down.” Then quit giving me crap, and give me some REAL proof. Airtight….ROFL!!!

          • Jenny Ondioline

            If you’ve rejected libraries worth of information, a whole internet full, and don’t accept it, you’re a lost cause. I’m actually surprised you’re able to carry on conversations at all.

          • Oboehner

            ZZZzzzzz…. redundant appeal to authority arguments always put me to sleep, keep trying to defend your blind faith though, you keep making my point.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            You have no point. You have faith. But you never say it out loud. You just accuse the people who don’t have faith of having it. Spinning your wheels…is there a point to that?

          • Steven Thompson

            I don’t even have a photograph of any of my great-great-great grandparents. I do not think that my acceptance of their existence, however, rests on faith. For that matter, the results of a DNA test may show that one man cannot be the father of a certain child, or show that he almost certainly is, even though the lab technician cannot produce a video of the child actually being conceived. Those pseuodgenes for vitellogenin (the main protein in egg yolk) in the human genome are remarkably suggestive (as are a host of shared pseudogenes and endogenous retroviruses between humans and other primates, as are, for that matter, fossils that straddle any dividing line you might wish to erect between “fully-formed humans” and “fully-formed apes.”

          • Oboehner

            What are you explaining here, intelligent design or evolution?

            I’m am quite sure your great-great-great grandparents were human just like you.

        • Trilemma

          Having faith in something doesn’t make it a religion. When I sit on a chair, I have faith it will support my weight. But that doesn’t make sitting on a chair a religious experience.

          • Oboehner

            Religion: “a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith” Merriam/Webster
            Sitting on a chair hardly qualifies.

          • Trilemma

            Just because religion involves faith doesn’t mean everything that involves faith is a religion.
            Faith: “Complete trust or confidence in someone or something.” – Oxford dictionary.

          • Oboehner

            Do you live you life based on “there is no god we evolved” or “there is a God and I have to answer to him”?
            Do you have confidence the earth is billions of years old?

          • Steven Thompson

            Suppose someone really, really likes that chair? Accepting evolution based on evidence (the nested hierarchy of comparative anatomy and comparative genomics, faunal succession in the fossil record, biogeography, etc.) need not involve “ardor” or “faith.”

          • Oboehner

            Does that chair dictate your entire life? Evolution does.

    • Jenny Ondioline

      Your own statement applies to yourself, does it not? Do you not want all religions (Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc.) out of government schools, and Christianity in?

      • Oboehner

        I was talking about evolutionism.

        • Jenny Ondioline

          Which we have established is based on science and not faith and therefore does not qualify as a religion.

          • Oboehner

            “We” have established no such thing, sorry.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            “We” as in, we on the side of science, reason, and measurable data.
            Oh yes. It’s firmly established and millions of people work within the field of it. When you made the decision to believe in the God of the talking donkey and snake, you elected to put faith above reason. How’s that working out for you?

          • Oboehner

            Measurable data from millions of years ago? Must take a lot of faith to believe that BS.

            When you made the decision to bring up of the God of the talking donkey and snake, you elected to look like a fool by again trying to prove your religion by steering the conversation to the irrelevant beliefs of others.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Not faith. Very precise measurement tools. See? No God involved at all. Just science.

            Tell me you don’t believe in the talking snake and donkey. Then we can look at my beliefs. You have your hands full with your own as I think you can see.

          • Oboehner

            Just a lot of BS rumors of science with nothing to back it up – no God involved in that.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Haha. Yep. Well, you stick to your stone age books then.

          • Oboehner

            Haha. Yep. Well, you stick to your science fiction religious books and your blind faith.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Yes, try telling a scientist to his face that he’s a practitioner of religion sometime and let us know how well that goes for you.

          • Oboehner

            *yawn* appear to authority blind faith.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            No because I said “scientist”, not “minister”.

          • Oboehner

            Like that makes a difference.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            The difference is huge.

          • Oboehner

            Not at all among evolutionists, it’s equality.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Most surveys of scientists find that 95 to 98 percent accept evolution just as they do other aspects of the natural world.

          • Oboehner

            Unbacked claims and lame appeal to authority, you look more ignorant by the second.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Where did you get the idea that scientists don’t back up their claims with data?

          • Oboehner

            while reading their data based on assumption and speculation jammed in the evolution box even when it doesn’t fit.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            And how does it feel to be practically the only person in the solar system who feels that way?

          • Oboehner

            Even if remotely true it is irrelevant as it has been said “The masses are @$$es.” However knowing the truth is refreshing, you should try it sometime.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            That expression didn’t refer to the people who actually study the world and obtain knowledge.

          • Oboehner

            It covers all.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            No it doesn’t.

          • Oboehner

            I don’t do links, or lengthy cut and paste. Since you think yourself knowledgeable (otherwise you wouldn’t be wasting my time), put the proof for evolutionism in your own words.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            That’s too bad. If you clicked on a science link once in a while and actually read it, you’d understand how wrong you are. There is no such thing as “evolutionism”, even in typing it right now my browser underscores it in red as though I’ve made a spelling mistake. How am I supposed to define words you’ve made up?

          • Oboehner

            Evolution – ism

            Definition of ism
            1 : a distinctive doctrine, cause, or theory

            If you clicked on a science link once in a while and actually read it, you might have something to share other than the usual.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            “1 : a distinctive doctrine, cause, or theory”

            Which it isn’t.
            Which is why you lose.
            Fossils. Look them up.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Evolution isn’t an -ism because it’s not a belief. You lose. Fossils, remember?

          • why not what

            So, what about physics? BS?

            How ’bout atoms? The periodic table of elements?
            All science fiction?

          • Oboehner

            What about physics? What about atoms? what about the periodic table of elements?

            Here’s what evolutionists and their blind faith followers do: The moon is made of green cheese, how do we know it’s fact? Try this on for size – science, biology, important sounding people said so, another science, geology, science, science. If you don’t believe it, you’re a science denying kook because I said the word science at least four times so it’s a proven fact.”

          • why not what

            Thank you, that made absolutely no sense at all and you completely dodged the question.

          • Oboehner

            I merely dodged your pathetically feeble attempt to lump your religion with real observable, repeatable, and testable science.

          • why not what

            So now its

            “I don’t like the question.”

            Observable, repeatable, testable science… like the spectral analysis that shows how many protons are contained in the atom? Like QED, that completely describes the motion and interaction of electrons and has never been wrong in its predictions? That sort of stuff?

          • Oboehner

            Like the scope that gives you a colonoscopy? What’s your point?

          • Jenny Ondioline

            How about you find a single science believer who thinks the moon is made of green cheese. All you have are strawmen.

          • Oboehner

            I have the same as you.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Which means nothing if you don’t know how to apply it. If you get cancer, will you demand that your oncologist give you a crash course on radiology, cytology, etc. right there in his office? Even in crappy schools kids still get the basics for understanding how the physical universe works; you’re just too lazy to apply them and really don’t want to know.

          • Oboehner

            *yawn* Still nothing huh?

          • Jenny Ondioline

            *Yawn* Still everything. Why aren’t you out protesting evolution being taught in science class in schools rather than acting like it ISN’T a foregone conclusion on a message forum? How much support do you get in your position on a daily basis – go ahead, I’m sure it’s enlightening.

          • Oboehner

            You know I’m not? More errant blind faith I guess.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            You are! And how’s that working out for you?

        • why not what

          “Evolutionism”???

          shm…

          • Oboehner

            Yup.

  • james blue

    Creationism no more belongs in a science class than evolution or the theory of origins belongs in a theology class

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      It’s Anti-science to teach that nothingness created everything so complex and orderly and altogether beautiful and meaningful. Honest scientists know it’s 100% impossible but they get kicked out from academia if they don’t appease the evil atheist guild. General population don’t think deeply enough and follow atheists’ fiction stories. Christians alone possess the whole truth. Read Colossians chapter 1. It’s about the cause of Genesis chapter 1.

      • Biscuit

        There are ~300 billion stars and ~30 billion planets in our galaxy. There are ~100 billion galaxies. And you believe Jesus created all of this and then lived inside of a woman’s body for nine months? OMG!

      • johndoe

        Talking snakes? Water walki g men? Creation of an entire world in 6 days? Yea, lets process the truth…

      • james blue

        It’s Anti-science to teach that a creator we cannot show exists. We cannot prove the existence of a creator, we can only have faith one exists.

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          Nothingness’ creating or causing anything is 0% possibility. It is 100% sure that the Creator God created everything as the Holy Bible declares.

          • james blue

            How did the creator come to be?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The Creator God is self-existent from the eternal past. He is completely the Other from all of His creation. Self-existence is only one of His glorious attributes. Read Exodus ch.3 and Isaiah ch.40-45. Read the Word of God instead of opposing Him with your evil.

          • james blue

            But you stated “Nothingness’ creating or causing anything is 0% possibility”. So you just debunked that.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Atheists claims nothingness created everything. The possibility is zero. Such thing is never observed or is ever possible. Creator God created everything.

          • james blue

            So how did the creator come to be? You cannot claim it impossible for something to just come to be if that is what you are claiming the creator to be. You negate your own argument.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            He just is; He is the great I AM. He transcends the human understanding. We know Him enough to trust in Him. You must not blaspheme Someone whom you do not know. If atheists have even an ounce of honesty and virtues, they would have read the Holy Bible to discover the truth on God.

          • johndoe

            There is zero proof of any gods. Quit spreading your no sense

          • johndoe

            No proof at all of said creator.

  • TwoRutRoad

    “…the new guidelines essentially promote the religion of atheism and materialism.” What makes those things religions? They are no more a “religion” for me than “OFF” is a TV channel. (Not original, I know, but if fits.)

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    USA needs Christian judges and Christian authorities to become proper and fair. Liberal atheists persecute both the truth and the Christians.

    • Biscuit

      USA needs judges who are not brainwashed. Judges who just use their brains.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        God created human brain. Judges and everyone else need humility before the Creator God to do thing correctly.

        • johndoe

          Evolution created the human brain…

    • johndoe

      You know nothing of true persecution.

      • Tangent002

        Grace believes lack of preferential treatment is persecution.

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          Christianity created USA and should be respected. Atheism imposes only immorality and greed and infanticide and despair. Post-christian West is not turning into anything noble but just selfishness and immorality. Americans need Christianity for light and life.

          • Trilemma

            Christianity did not create the USA. The USA was created in rebellion against God. During the Revolutionary War, Christians were persecuted so much that thousands fled to Canada.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. Both nations are children of the Christian Britain and were created to spread the most noble Christian religion. The USA has been the defender of Canada that Canadians should be always grateful to Americans. Canada is a food to any empire if it were not for USA. Any orderly nations are descended from the Christian British thinkers. All free nations on Planet Earth depend on the USA for protection and peace. Americans are keeping Canada vacant for the better preservation of the planet.

          • johndoe

            Atheism imposes on no one. Christianity isn’t needed for life

    • johndoe

      Christians in the US aren’t persecuted. Non christians push for the truth through science.

  • http://www.lulu.com/spotlight/fisherhl Mr. Avatar

    Science is not proven fact in many areas and is incomplete theory

    • This style ten and six

      Religion is not proven fact in any area.

    • Tangent002

      Science is not about ‘proof’, it is about the weight of evidence. The current body of evidence vastly favors an evoutionary / deep time paradigm.

  • Trilemma

    I don’t see a problem with evolution being taught in public schools as long it’s made clear that it’s an unprovable hypothesis.

    Public schools should not teach creationism.

    • Tangent002

      A better approach would be a basic course in Epistemology and Critical Thinking so kids know the difference between ‘fact’, ‘truth’, ‘belief’, ‘proof’, etc.

      • Trilemma

        Absolutely. The most important thing a school can teach a student is how to think and not what to think. I’ve read articles about colleges noticing that incoming freshmen are not able to think as well as past generations. These days, schools focus too much on teaching kids to be able to do well on standardized tests.

        My favorite bit of epistemology is the Münchhausen trilemma.

  • jumbojimbo

    So let’s teach Creationism- it’s the truth about our creation as told by God, the message he shared with us through the Bible. The Bible is the true word of God and the marvel of all his creation and therefore is proof of the creator’s existence- to argue otherwise is to argue the universe needed no creator and life no creation!

    And yet… it seems strange that the Lord Almighty, God, Yaweh, Allah or whatever you wish to call him- spoke so much to mankind 2,000-odd years ago, delivered us the 10 commandments, made Jesus walk on water, feed the 5,000, brought him back from in the dead, even considered wiping all mankind from the planet for offending him, but tasked Noah to build an Ark to carry 2 of every animal blah blah- and yet mankind has demonstrably committed worse acts of evil, of terror, of shame, than anything God was so offended by that he sent a flood upon mankind to wipe it it.
    God has said nothing about WW1, WW2, The War-on-Terror, Vietnam, nuclear weapons, the holocaust, child-rape, serial killers, false Gods- nothing. It’s as if 2000-years ago he couldn’t stop telling us what to do, how to live. And then decide to just f-off and leave all mankind to rot in the garden of his creation.

    And ye shall no my name is the Lord- okay well then speak to us now- prove you are the miracle your Bible says you are. We could prove it now-

    Whereas what has science ever proved- apart from the Earth wasn’t centre of the Galaxy, and the true word of your’s in the Bible- not so true when proven to violate the laws of physics. Oh wait… that part wasn’t ‘literally’ true- it was meant as an analogy. Okay so it’s the true word except for the parts that are, by definition, lies.

  • Kevin Quillen

    Christians should pull all their children out of public school. Christian private school or home school. Sacrifices will have to be made but what is more important?