Blasphemous Novel ‘The Shack’ to Be Released as Film Featuring God as Woman, Music From Hillsong United

Concerns are being raised as the popular and blasphemous novel “The Shack” will be released as a film in 2017—a book that portrays God the Father as a woman, and that some say unbiblically teaches universalism.

William P. Young’s 2007 novel is stated to have sold approximately 20 million copies and has been translated into 39 languages. In 2013, Lionsgate Entertainment obtained the rights to turn the book into a film, which is now scheduled to be released in March 2017 and is currently being promoted nationwide.

“The Shack” tells the story of a man named Mackenzie “Mack” Phillips who faces a crisis while on a family vacation as his youngest daughter Missy is abducted and presumably killed in an abandoned shack. Years later, the grieving father receives a note from “Papa,” who tells Phillips that it has “been a while” and to meet up at the shack the following weekend.

Reluctantly, Phillips returns to the site, where he meets the Godhead, portrayed as what Young called a “large beaming African American woman (page 82),” another young woman named Sarayu, and a carpenter named Jesus, who seek to help him deal with his faltering faith and to learn to forgive.

The film features Octavia Spencer as “Papa,” who is asked blatantly by Phillips, played by Sam Worthington, “Where were you when I needed you?”

“I never left you. I never left Missy,” she replies with tears.

Sumire Matsubara, a young Asian woman, plays the Holy Spirit, portrayed in the book as Sarayu.

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Spencer told reporters prior to the film’s production, “[P]eople have to remember it’s a manifestation of God—how [the film subject] sees God—not necessarily how or who or what God is.”

In addition to music from country stars Tim McGraw and Faith Hill, Lady Antebellum, Brett Eldredge and Dierk Bentley, the film also features songs from Christian-identified groups Hillsong United and NeedtoBreathe.

But some have expressed concern not only over the portrayals in “The Shack,” but also the numerous messages that they state are unbiblical. James De Young, a professor of New Testament Language and Literature at Western Seminary in Oregon, wrote a book entitled “Burning Down the Shack: How the ‘Christian’ Bestseller is Deceiving Millions.”

“A relationship with God comes only by personal trust or faith placed in Jesus Christ,” he told WND. “For the book to ignore this core of faith is to propound another and different gospel to that of Jesus and the Apostles. It is the heart of the gospel, but it is ignored in the heresy of universal salvation.”

De Young said that in “The Shack,” “ultimately there’s no divine Savior and Lord, because if people including the devil and his angels get into Heaven, there’s no cross left to preach.”

“If we cast off the uniqueness of the gospel message, then God is relegated to an understanding of a deity of our own creation,” he stated.

Others have also noted that “The Shack” suggests that God is all love and no justice, and will never judge men for their sins, nor will any be tormented eternally in Hell.

“I can already imagine ‘The Shack’ Bible studies, sermon series, and of course the social media hype, not to mention busloads of small groups fellowshiping and praising ‘Papa’ for another opportunity to share Jesus. But which Jesus?” asked Amy Spreeman of Berean Research.


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  • Robert

    These are more than likly the same people that would want to rip your face off . For labeling a boy a boy if that boy wanted to be called a girl. Yet since God clearly lets us know in scripture by masculine names he uses. What he wants to be revered as .these jackals refuse to acknowledge what God wants to be known as

    • Kevin Quillen

      you might want to do a little research. Start with Job 38:29

      • Guest254

        Do you know what the scripture says about righteous judgement?

      • Amos Moses

        Matthew 7 Read the WHOLE chapter

        Matthew 18:15

        John 7:24

        2 Timothy 3:16

        1 Corinthians 5 & 6

        1 Corinthians 2:15

        Proverbs 27:5, Proverbs 31:9

      • Amos Moses

        “I am convinced that when antichrist appears ….. many will say “How dare you judge him” …….. ~ David Wilkerson

        • Kevin Quillen

          there is no “antichrist”. There is only antichrist spirit. Anyone who denies Christ and teaches against Him is antichrist. Not a singular person as commonly taught.

          • Amos Moses

            scripture says there are many antichrists …. persons not just spirits ……. and the final antichrist …. the beast … is a person …..

          • Amos Moses

            2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;
            2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
            2:5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things?
            2:6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time.
            2:7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.
            2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
            2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

            “himself” …. singular …. “that wicked one” … singular …… “working after satan” … antichrist ….. he is a person ……….. “so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.” …. again … singular and a person …………..

          • TheBottomline4This

            What denomination are you?

  • Amos Moses

    Good article Heather ………. thank you ………..

  • Royce E. Van Blaricome

    I’m not surprised by the book or the movie. That Tim McGraw, Faith Hill, Hill Song, and the other would give permission for their music to be used in conjunction with such blasphemy is very telling.

  • Guest254

    This is why people need to open a bible and read and hear the Word of God for themselves. Just looking at the past movies about Moses and Exodus, they are misinterpreted. I understand movies add drama, but drama doesn’t have to err from the truth. Study to show thyself approve unto God, so you can contend with man and man’s logic and deception.

    • Kevin Quillen

      read Hebrews 12:2 notice “joy”. What joy could there be for Christ if
      the great majority of people that He died for are lost? No the joy is
      only possible because through His suffering, ALL are eventually
      redeemed. Parable of the lost sheep. He wants ALL. What God wants,
      God gets. Prayfully consider.

      • Guest254

        I know that the children of the devil won’t inherit the Kingdom of Heaven. I don’t get to opinion what scripture says. That joy was His people that God gave Him. Revelation 20:15
        You need to pray and ask for the Holy Spirit, He shall teach you all things.

  • Guest254

    Hollywood is just tired of casting Morgan Freeman

    • Amos Moses

      he has no female body parts ….. i think ……..

      • Guest254

        It went over your head………..

        • Amos Moses

          no i got it …. just failing to be funny …. it sounds good in my head but it does not always translate well …….

          • Jack Hughes

            It was funny, just over his head

  • Kevin Quillen

    Christian Universalism is truth. God tells us to love our enemies and do good to those who persecute us. Would God expect us to do something He does not? There is no getting around 1Cor 15:22 and John 12:32(is this verse “draw” means literally to “drag” in the Greek.) “Every knee will bow and every tongue confess that Jesus is Lord”
    Man turned Christianity into religion and keeps people bound. Take your blinders off and study for yourself. Dispensationalism, rapture, Armageddon, eternal torture in hell and such are man made control mechanisms. Sells lots of books and makes great TV.

    • Guest254

      Have you read the Revelation?

      • Kevin Quillen

        yes. it is about the destruction of Jerusalem and the end of the old covenant. the ending is showing that the new Jerusalem (us, believers in Christ and followers) is the eternal state which we now live in. All is done. We are the City of God. Living stones and pillars in the temple. God dwells with man now, in us. It is a beautiful thing. go to youtube and watch some Don K Preston videos. Go to tentmakerdot org and read a little.

        • Guest254

          I think you need to re-read the entire New Testament, if you believe that we are in our eternal state already. Revelation clearly describes the city of the New Jerusalem. I don’t think you need to listen to any videos, you need to hear the Holy Bible for yourself. These flesh bodies still die. Jesus did promise us the Holy Spirit which dwells in us to seal us until that day. Revelation tells us that we shall SEE Jesus and Father God shall dwell with us and there shall be no more night. For God shall be light for us.

    • Roy Hobs

      Did Jesus misspeak when He said — Not everyone who says to Me Lord, Lord? Rhetorical.
      2 Timothy 4:3. Why resist the Narrow Road? Too hard to die to self?

      • Kevin Quillen

        I am on the narrow road. It is “zoe” life. Research this and gain some understanding.

        • Guest254

          Explain this “zoe” life. Scripture says nothing about this “zoe” life.

          • Joshua Gibbs

            Yes, it does. You just don’t read it in the original Greek.

        • Roy Hobs

          ok man……..good luck with that.

    • Amos Moses

      “Christian Universalism is truth.”

      so you are not a Calvinist and not a reader of scripture ……… K ………

      • Kevin Quillen

        no I am not a Calvinist, or Arminian. Both were wrong. Everyone will get to heaven. Some the easy way(zoe life) some the hard way. Judged by God for their way of living and then they will confess Jesus is Lord and enter heaven, redeemed and reconciled to the Father. There will be a time of punishment for their sins since they rejected Christ’s gift. But not eternally. God is a loving, just Father, not a tyrant.

        • Guest254

          Revelation 21:8

        • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

          I pray God will protect true Christians from you and the
          False teaching you are trying to spread on a Christian site. May God open your eyes.ears.mind and your heart to His Truth before you die. I will keep you in my prayers.

          • TheBottomline4This

            When bozo’s like KevinQ creep on here, just keep in mind Romans 16:17-18 “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.”

          • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

            True.

          • Murray Elliott

            When bozo’s like KevinQ creep on here … ouch …. not an appropriate response. No, I am not a moderator but please review Rule number 3: You may not threaten, harass, slander, engage in name-calling, degrade
            or otherwise use abusive language toward another commenter or the staff
            of Christian News Network. (Colossians 4:6; Leviticus 19:18).

        • Amos Moses

          No … everyone will not get to heaven other than for judgement ……… your words are very careless ……… there is no time where Christ is … and where judgement is …….. and it is eternal ….. and Christ has said so ….. you do violence to scripture ……..

    • Amos Moses

      Many are called, ………. FEW are CHOSEN ……. universalism is a lie ……….

      • Kevin Quillen

        few are chosen to “zoe” life. Research this and you will gain some insight.

        • TheBottomline4This

          You are deceived or are trying to deceive.
          Oh well, Matthew 7:20-23 speaks of those like you.

      • Kevin Quillen

        please do not confuse universalism with Christian Universalism. There are those who say that all roads lead to God. That is a lie. In Christian Universalism Christ is the essential point. ALL go through Christ to get to the Father. Please go to tentmaker(dot)org and spend some time reading. Also check out HopeBeyondHell(dot)com

    • http://www.gmail.com/ David van Heerden

      For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

      Notice that everlasting life is conditional on faith: whosoever believes. God has showed his love. Those who do not believe will certainly perish.

      • Trilemma

        What about the billions of people who never heard the name of Jesus and, therefore, never had the chance to believe in Him?

        • TheBottomline4This

          God is bigger than your concern. He can find a way when there seems to be none.

          • Trilemma

            So people who never heard the name of Jesus have another way to get to Heaven?

          • TheBottomline4This

            “There are two possible responses. First, it could be that those who have never heard the gospel of Jesus Christ will go to hell. Second, it could be that those who have never heard of Jesus Christ and the gospel will be judged in a different way from those who have heard of Jesus.
            The Bible does not tell us specifically about what happens to those who have never heard. But it does say that Jesus is the only way to salvation (Acts 4:12). If it is possible that someone who has not heard the gospel can be saved, it must be through Jesus Christ and him alone (John 14:6). But, it could not be that a person who is not heard of Jesus can make it to heaven based upon being good since that would violate the scriptural teaching that no one is good (Rom. 3:10-12).
            If all people who have never heard of the gospel of Jesus Christ end up in hell, then that would be right because God would never do anything that is improper. On the other hand, if any of them end up in heaven, then it would be the right thing to do for the same reason.
            Because the Scripture does not specifically address this issue, we cannot make an absolute statement concerning it. However, since the Bible does state that salvation is only through Jesus and that a person must receive Christ, then logically we conclude that those who have not heard the gospel are lost.
            Because the Scripture does not specifically address this issue, we cannot make an absolute statement concerning it. However, since the Bible does state that salvation is only through Jesus and that a person must receive Christ, then logically we conclude that those who have not heard the gospel are lost.” -copied

            So you have heard of Jesus and have access to learn more of Him. Now you have no excuse, do you?

          • Trilemma

            ” If all people who have never heard of the gospel of Jesus Christ end up in hell, then that would be right because God would never do anything that is improper.”

            That would not just be improper it would be morally reprehensible. The punishment would be infinitely more severe than the crime warrants. It would be worse than sentencing a person to life in prison for parking illegally even though there were no signs or other indications that it was illegal to park where he did.

        • http://www.gmail.com/ David van Heerden

          Bad news for them: you don’t care one whit, and you don’t know how to tell them the gospel, even if you did care.

          • Trilemma

            I do care. Why didn’t God care?

          • http://www.gmail.com/ David van Heerden

            It appears you love lies. The original lie was also a question. There’s a place for you: For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

          • Trilemma

            The original lie was Eve’s answer to the original question.

          • Murray Elliott

            Re: “I do care” Here’s a thought. Could it be that people who bring
            up this question about people who have never heard are seldom interested in unreached people. It is usually
            raised as an objection to Christianity, so that the person doesn’t have to
            personally deal with their decision about God. If unreached people aren’t
            accountable to God, then there is probably hope for the person asking the
            question to get by without dealing with Jesus. If a person is so concerned
            about people knowing Jesus, then why are they debating God’s fairness when they
            should be telling others about His Son? (copied)

          • Trilemma

            Some people who bring up the question about people who have never heard the gospel are doing so to discount Christianity in general. I bring it up to show that the beliefs of many Christians are contradictory. If God is good and just and fair then nobody would suffer eternal conscious torment in a fiery Hell. If God is good then there is no Hell. If there’s a Hell then God is not good.

          • Joshua Gibbs

            So if man tortures a little girl to girl to death he should get to just walk right into heaven?

          • Trilemma

            Yes, but through the wide gate.

  • Kevin Quillen

    correction should be “in” this verse.

  • Police Chaplain

    Horrible, apostate book turned into a horrible, apostate movie.

  • Alex Moon

    “… but we will not tolerate … blasphemy.” How hypocritial ! You have ALREADY published blasphemy. Scripture clearly defines God. Even Christ himself refers to … the FATHER. And, the FATHER clearly refers to His .. SON. I will not see this blasphemy, and will urge others as well to avoid .. ‘even the appearance of evil.’

  • Emmanuel

    Hillsong is getting worse and worse by the day. We need to stop playing their music in our churches.

    • TheBottomline4This

      A Church that plays their music is red flagged for me.

      • Emmanuel

        I’m starting to lean that way too.

        • TheBottomline4This

          As we should. Sadly there are few Biblical Churches in the world today. We are getting ready to leave the one we’re at due to compromise and lack of Spiritual discernment.
          Much of the “Christian” music that is out is basically focused more on self than God and solid doctrine.

          • Emmanuel

            I agree. We need spiritual worship leaders that are for God and not themselves.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Some eventually come forward admitting they’re not really Christians.
            Some are just paid to do a job.
            This should not be. It’s a Ministry that should only be filled by true believers who seek to honor God in the song choices and music style.
            But, sadly more Churches are interested in drawing in the crowds and one way to do that is through compromised music.

          • Emmanuel

            I agree and I know music teachers that get paid to do worship. It’s sad that churches no longer discuss ministry and calling.

          • TheBottomline4This

            If believers start speaking up and when necessary mark and avoid Churches that don’t do it according to the Bible, they’ll either begin to listen or show themselves as an unBiblical Church.

          • Emmanuel

            Amen

  • Tangent002

    As female God’s go, I prefer Alanis Morrisette in ‘Dogma’.

  • Kristle Brady Connell

    I have read the book and I agree it does not follow scripture 100%. However, there are many, many people that do not have an inkling of God or that he exists. If this book or movie can open someone up to Christ that otherwise would not have exposure than it has more than done it’s job. As written multiple times in John, whoever believes in the Son shall have eternal life. It is not up to us to judge the intentions of those who created the book/movie. It is up to us to spread the word and reach out to whomever we can to spread message of God.

    • Amos Moses

      the book they need to open to find the true Christ, Jesus …… is not the shack …… or any other book conveying heresy ……

      • Kristle Brady Connell

        I absolutely agree Amos. I should have explained myself a little bit better. What I am trying to convey is that there are many that have no exposure to Christ and wouldn’t even think of picking up a Bible. If this little bit of media entices someone to learn a little more about Christ and maybe pick up that Bible than I am all for it. It is better for one to have this exposure and turn their life to Christ because of it than none at all. 🙂

    • Guest254

      Hebrews 4:12
      We are to spread the doctrine of Jesus Christ.

    • TheBottomline4This

      God doesn’t draw others to Him through a false gospel. Sure God can use whatever man produces, but God doesn’t use this sort of thing to reach people. He has His Word and Christians to do that. Plus the Holy Spirit can do a work on one’s heart without anything from man.
      This sort of media is to be marked and avoided…for all.

    • Jacob Burke Jr.

      But why should we be expecting a distorted, twisted view of God to open someone to the true and living God, however?

    • Kristle Brady Connell

      You all are totally missing my point. Let’s agree to disagree. Have a great day!

      • TheBottomline4This

        “Let’s agree to disagree” No, we must go by Bible. If we are “missing your point: then take the time to gather your thoughts and share them please. You may be right, but with what you’ve presented so far, you’re not. So no, for now, we won’t simply agree to disagree when it comes to Doctrine and Bible, we must stand for true Doctrine.
        We can agree to disagree on lesser things. If you hate mushrooms and I like them…then we can agree to disagree.

        • Kristle Brady Connell

          I did “gather my thoughts and shared them” as stated above. And I will leave it up to God of whether or not I am right or wrong. I answer to Him only. I am not going to judge anyone on their beliefs or opinions – will leave that up to my God. However, hope and pray for someone to be turned to Christ, whether it be a movie or whatever means, yes I will. Because if someone is exposed to God and his wondrous love, He will fill their heart with the wisdom to have better understanding of Him. This is what is so awesome about Him and his love for us. This will be the final “gathering and sharing” of my thoughts on this subject because I really do detest arguments. Again, have a great day and blessed week.
          Seek the LORD while He may be found; Call upon Him while He is near. Let the wicked forsake his way And the unrighteous man his thoughts; And let him return to the LORD, And He will have compassion on him, And to our God, For He will abundantly pardon. Isaiah 55:6-7

          • TheBottomline4This

            “Because if someone is exposed to God and his wondrous love” This movie doesn’t meet that objective. It would only lead someone to a false view of the god this movie refers to. Shame on you for supporting that.
            ” I really do detest arguments” Of course you do, since you don’t have a solid foundation based in sound doctrine.
            See… gotquestions dot org/The-Shack-review dot html

          • dafdaf

            since you don’t have a solid foundation based in sound doctrine. LOL and you do??

          • TheBottomline4This

            How do you know I don’t???

  • Kevin Quillen

    read Hebrews 12:2 notice “joy”. What joy could there be for Christ if the great majority of people that He died for are lost? No the joy is only possible because through His suffering, ALL are eventually redeemed. Parable of the lost sheep. He wants ALL. What God wants, God gets.

  • Sue Arnold

    So many people being misled all for the love of money, Shame on these people and I believe some of them don;t even realize what they are doing. They need to research and do their own study before they participate in movies like this as they have an effect on young children who believe they are correct when it’s absolutely wrong!

  • Trilemma

    The problem of the doctrine of eternal punishment in Hell is that it makes God out to be a narcissistic sadistic monster.

    • TheBottomline4This

      “it makes God out to be a narcissistic sadistic monster”
      Then don’t follow God or the Bible.
      Problem solved.

      • Trilemma

        Those who believe in Hell are not following God or the Bible. The doctrine of Hell was imposed on the Bible hundreds of years after it was written. The earliest creed, The Apostles Creed, doesn’t even mention Hell.

        • TheBottomline4This

          I don’t give a flip what the “apostle’s creed” does not mention. The apostle’s creed isn’t in the Bible and thus can be changed according to the beliefs of the various denominations that use it. It’s used mostly by the Roman Catholic Church, Lutheranism and Anglicanism, Presbyterians, Methodists and Congregationalists. Each having their own insert here and there to line up with their beliefs.
          You are not following the Bible if you don’t believe in Hell.

          • Trilemma

            Universalists, annihilationists and damnationists all claim to follow the Bible. Universalism is the one that’s closest to matching God’s character. The word, “hell,” shouldn’t even be in the Bible as it is a mistranslation of the Hebrew and Greek.

          • Jared D

            Alright then, let’s throw the word “Hell” out.

            Luke 13:27-28 “But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out.”

            Revelation 20:14-15 “And death and hell (I mean… NOT hell?) were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.”

            Or is “Lake of Fire” mistranslated too?

          • Trilemma

            Nobody will spend eternity in either of those places. Eventually, everybody gets into Heaven.

          • TheBottomline4This

            Share your proof.

          • Jared D

            Matthew 25:46 “These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”

            Daniel 12:2 “Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.”

            Eternal life for those who trust in Jesus Christ is juxtaposed against eternal damnation for those who do not.

          • Trilemma

            Same verses from YLT.

            Matthew 25:46 – And these shall go away to punishment age-during, but the righteous to life age-during.

            Daniel 12:2 – And the multitude of those sleeping in the dust of the ground do awake, some to life age-during, and some to reproaches — to abhorrence age-during.

            Age-during does not mean eternal or everlasting. Your Bible mistranslated the Hebrew and the Greek.

          • Joshua Gibbs

            and this belief is based on what? As a Christian I struggle with the concept of hell (ok technically Gehenna and the lake of fire) but you can’t just ignore almost half the New Testament and still think your following the historical Jesus. At least not honestly.

          • Trilemma

            What exactly am I ignoring? Gehenna is valley to the south of Jerusalem. Saying it’s Hell is an interpretation not a translation. I see no reason to think Jesus was speaking of Gehenna figuratively. The Bible doesn’t say that the lake of fire is eternal or that anyone will be in it eternally.

          • Joshua Gibbs

            A huge amount of the New Testament is taken up with issue of salvation. What do you think people are being saved FROM?

            But if you want specific verses that are explicitly about the everlasting nature of the suffering experienced by those who die without Christ, then how about these verses:

            ”And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.” – Revelation 20:10, ESV

            “And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.” – Revelation 14:11, ESV

            Or these:

            “And if your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than with two hands to go to hell [gehenna], to the unquenchable fire.” – Mark 9:43, ESV

            “where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.” – Mark 9:48, ESV

            Note that it’s not possible to stop the fire and that the worm never dies. Since the literal gehenna outside the ancient city of Jerusalem DID stop burning, and the worms there DID die, Jesus is either wrong, lying, or using the name symbolically. But the symbolism must point to a literal state of torment or else warning people about it would make no sense.

          • Trilemma

            What do I think people are being saved from? According to the Bible, people are being saved from death and a time of punishment.

            In Revelation 20:10, “forever and ever” actually says “unto the ages of the ages.” The writer was talking about a destination in time and not a duration in time.

            Jesus never said Gehenna was for all eternity. The reason Jesus mentions the eternal fire proof worms was to indicate that Gehenna was a fulfillment of a prophecy. All unquenchable fires go out when there’s nothing more to burn.

          • Joshua Gibbs

            “unto the ages of the ages.” sounds a lot like “all the ages” to me, much like “the heaven of heavens” seems to mean all the heavens.

            “All unquenchable fires go out when there’s nothing more to burn.”
            Um, if a fire goes out then doesn’t that mean it was quenched?

          • Trilemma

            The Bible talks about the lord of lords. Does the Bible mean all lords? The Bible talks about the Holy of Holies. Does the Bible mean all Holies? When the Bible talks about the ages of the ages it means the ages that are better than all the other ages.

            Unquenchable fire is a fire you can’t extinguish. When firemen are confronted with an unquenchable fire, they don’t even try to put it out but simply watch it burn itself out.

    • Radix

      A god who does not punish the wicked is not worth worshipping.
      If God is not a God of justice, then he is vile.

      As vindictive as homosexuals are, surely you relish the idea of vengeance.

      • Trilemma

        A God that demands to be worshiped is narcissistic.
        A God that considers it justice to punish someone for all eternity with horrific torture in a fiery Hell is not just but a sadistic monster.

        I don’t care how vindictive someone is, they don’t deserve eternal conscious torment in a fiery Hell.

  • Dale Barry

    And the blind lead the blind as they all tumble. The road is wide and there will be many that take it.

  • Trilemma

    Since God is not human, neither a man nor a woman, what difference does it make if God is portrayed in a movie as a woman?

    • TheBottomline4This

      Your ignorance is your bliss.

      • Trilemma

        Ignorance of what?

    • Genevieve N Powell

      it makes alot of difference!~!! God will not be mocked!

      • Trilemma

        How is God mocked? Why would God care whether God is portrayed as a man or as a woman? Does God prefer to be portrayed as a person with blond hair and blue eyes or as a person with black hair and dark brown eyes?

        • NCOriolesFan

          Go read the First Commandment; you shall no other gods but only me. THAT’S who God is – a jealous god who wants himself to be the God of people’s lives.

    • Radix

      Leave religion to the adults.
      You’re mentally a child, you can’t grasp things.

      • Trilemma

        What exactly do you think I can’t grasp?

    • Joshua Gibbs

      God IS a man: Jesus Christ.

  • Trilemma

    If Paul had wanted to express eternal or everlasting in those two verses he would have used the Greek word that actually means eternal/everlasting as he did in Romans 1:20.

  • John

    I liked it! Anything that gets out that shares Jesus loves and forgiveness is great.
    We can each work on our own relationship with Jesus, but for the lost to see Jesus gave his life and loves them so they can have the free gift of eternal life is wonderful. Not of works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy he saved us.