Boy Scouts, Following Embrace of Homosexuality, on ‘Transgender’ Youth : We Defer to Birth Certificates

(Breitbart) An eight-year-old girl in Secaucus, N.J., says Boy Scout officials should treat her as a transgender boy, and let her join a boys’ Cub Scout pack.

The child, who is a biological girl but has been living as a “transgender boy” for more than a year, was asked to leave the pack following reported protests from parents.

Kristie Maldonado said her child, Joe, had been a member of Cub Scout Pack 87 for about a month, when a Boy Scout official notified her that the girl could not remain in the boys’ Cub Scout group. “Not one of the kids said, ‘You don’t belong here,’” the mother said of the boys in the pack, according to NorthJersey.com.

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  • Studentenviro

    As usual Breitbart deliberately uses misleading data and terminology to paint a picture that does not exist.
    For example they say “to accept the groups’ ideological claim that each person’s changeable “gender identity” should determine that person’s legal sex.”. There is no such thing as changeable gender identity. The general consensus is gender identity is set biologically and does not change.
    They also say”Transgender behavior is rare. A recent study of the 2010 census showed that only one-in-2,400 Americans adults had changed their name from one sex to the other.” How many people change their name is not a reflection of the prevalence of transgender. Their number would indicate that transgender affects only 0.04% of the population while the latest study out of the Williams Institute at UCLA indicates it is 0.6% or 1.4 million. That is 15 times higher than Breibart reports.
    Then then report details from “American College of Pediatricians” which is a sham professional group of which very few are actual pediatricians. This group is known for its homosexual and transgender antipathy. The group has about 500 members. The American Academy of Pediatrics, the true professional group, has over 60,000 members of which the overwhelmingly majority are pediatricians. They have issued a statement thoroughly condemning the ACP and stating their support for transgender children and their parents.
    Finally, they state “According to the DSM-V, as many as 98% of gender confused boys and 88% of gender confused girls eventually accept their biological sex after naturally passing through puberty,”. DSM 5 (they do not even state the name correctly it is not DSM V) is a statistical and diagnostic manual for mental disorders. It makes no such statement about the percentage of children that revert back to their original gender identity. While a large percentage do revert back, these children are not truly transgender, there is also a large group that does not. These children are truly transgender.

    • Jason Todd

      The problem with your argument is there is not, nor has there ever been, such as transgenderism beyond describing it as a mental illness.

      • Studentenviro

        “The problem with your argument is there is not, nor has there ever been, such as transgenderism beyond describing it as a mental illness.”
        The problem with your statement, apart from it not making grammatical sense, is you are 100% wrong.

        • Jason Todd

          Grammatical or not, the point is the same: There is no such thing as transgenderism. It has as much validity as a fad, as indicated by the current issue of National Geographic.

          • Studentenviro

            Transgender people have been around for centuries. There are plenty of examples if you just look. Transgender is very real and has been for eons.
            Do you even know what transgender means?

          • Jason Todd

            Dude, you are delusional.

          • Studentenviro

            You were saying?

            Transgender history dates back to the first recorded instances of transgender individuals in ancient civilizations in Asia. Only since the latter half of the twentieth century has there been any awareness and development of a community of transgender individuals.
            Prior to western contact, some American Native tribes had third-gender roles, but details were only recorded after arrival of Europeans. Roles included “berdache” (a derogatory term for people assigned male at birth who assumed a traditionally feminine role) and “passing women” (people assigned female at birth who took on a traditionally masculine role). The term “berdache” is not a Native American word; rather it was of European origin and covered a range of third-gender people in different tribes. Not all Native American tribes recognized transgender people.[1] One of the first accounts of transgender people in the Americas was made by Jesuit missionary Joseph-François Lafitau who spent six years among the Iroquois in 1711.[2] He observed “women with manly courage who prided themselves upon the profession of warrior” as well as “men cowardly enough to live as women.”[3] In ancient Assyria, there were homosexual and transgender cult prostitutes, who took part in public processions, singing, dancing, wearing costumes, sometimes wearing women’s clothes and carrying female symbols, even at times pretending to give birth.[4]
            In ancient India, Hijra are a caste of third-gender, or transgender group who live a feminine role. Hijra may be born male or intersex, and some may have been born female.[5] Hijras have a recorded history in the Indian subcontinent from antiquity onwards as suggested by the Kama Sutra period. In Persia, poets such as Sa’di, Hafiz, and Jami wrote poems replete with homoerotic allusions, including sex with transgender young women or males enacting transgender roles exemplified by the köçeks and the bacchás, and Sufi spiritual practices.
            In Ancient Greece and Phrygia, and later in the Roman Republic, the Goddess Cybele was worshiped by a cult of people who castrated themselves, and thereafter took female dress and referred to themselves as female.[6][7] These early transsexual figures have also been referred by several authors as early gay role models.[8][9]

            [1] Katz, J. (1976) Gay American History: Lesbians and Gay Men in the U.S.A. New York: Thomas Y. Crowell Company
            [2] Fenton, William N.; Moore, Elizabeth L. (1969). “J.-F. Lafitau (1681-1746), Precursor of Scientific Anthropology”. Southwestern Journal of Anthropology. 25 (2): 174–5. JSTOR 3629200.
            [3] FitzGerald, Maureen; Rayter, Scott (2012). “4 The Regulation of First Nations Sexuality, by Martin Cannon”. Queerly Canadian: An Introductory Reader in Sexuality Studies. Canadian Scholars’ Press. p. 52. ISBN 978-1-55130-400-7. OCLC 801167318
            [4] The Nature Of Homosexuality, Erik Holland, page 465, 2004
            [5] “Gay and Lesbian Vaishnava Association, Inc.
            [6] Califia, Patrick (2003). Sex Changes The Politics of Transgenderism. California: Cleis Press, Inc. ISDN 1-57344-180-5
            [7] Benjamin, H. (1966). The Transsexual Phenomenon. New York: Julian Press.
            [8] Evans, Arthur (1978). Witchcraft and the Gay Counterculture. Boston: Fag Rag Books.
            [9] Conner, R. (1993). Blossom of Bone: Reclaiming the Connections between Homoeroticism and the Sacred. San Francisco: Harper.

          • Jason Todd

            Most of the books referenced display a open bias towards the transgender myth. One of the authors (Califia) is on record endorsing pedophilia.

            In other words, this is BS.

          • Amos Moses

            men dressing as women and vise versa ….. been around sin Sodom ……

          • johndoe

            You’re making good yourself look very foolish.

          • Amos Moses

            nope …. he is making you look foolish ….. for believing that nonsense you spout ………..

          • johndoe

            Transgenders have been around for a very long time. No nonsense involved except for those, like yourself, who have their heads stuck in the sand.

          • Amos Moses

            nope ……. if you think acting as a trans-anything is normal …… the sand is in your eyes ……….. not mine ……….

          • johndoe

            Nope.

          • Amos Moses

            nope ………..

          • johndoe

            Opinions vary

          • Amos Moses

            your does not ….. it is always immoral ….. BTW …… which “JD” are you today …..

          • johndoe

            Funny. Your opinion only…..

          • Amos Moses

            again ….. not my opinion ….. i just agree with the person whose opinion it is ….. his opinion is the only one that matters …… and you really have no other opinion other than to oppose his ……….

          • johndoe

            Since the person you refer to doesn’t exist……

          • Amos Moses

            is that a scientific, theological or personal opinion ………..

          • johndoe

            Personal

          • Amos Moses

            so as far as any probative value …. zero ………

          • johndoe

            Just like your posts on this forum.

          • Amos Moses

            no … you are just not able to compete on this forum ….. you do not even bring a knife to a gun fight …. you come unarmed …… and get slaughtered ………

          • johndoe

            More of your opinion. Too funny! Not here to compete….just here to speak my piece. Why do you keep responding? LOL!

          • Amos Moses

            More of your opinion. Too funny! Not here to compete….just here to speak my piece. Why do YOU keep responding? LOL!

          • Amos Moses

            it means transvestite ….. and yes ….. thousands of years ……… and please spare me the “nope, thats not it at all” …… yes it is ………

          • Studentenviro

            sdgfdrg

          • Amos Moses

            yeah ……… more gibberish ……… and no real argument ……….

          • Studentenviro

            Sorry, that was not even a post. It was chasing my cat off keyboard and somehow it go posted.

          • Amos Moses

            LOL ……. you should teach him/her to spell better …..

          • Studentenviro

            This is true but she just refuses to study.

          • Studentenviro

            As to your post “it means transvestite ….. and yes ….. thousands of years ……… and please spare me the “nope, thats not it at all” …… yes it is ………”

            You are so far from real facts, if I understand what you are saying, it is unreal.

          • Amos Moses

            really ……… “transgender” is just taking “transvestitism” and the mental illness of BDD – Body Dysmorphic Disorder to the next level and demanding the same crybully tactics to get others to accept their illness instead of them being returned to health …………

            so no …………..

          • Studentenviro

            Transgender is no body dismorphic disorder, or anything like it.
            Transgender is not a disorder. DSM 5 does not list transgender as a disorder.
            I ask you respectfully, what do you mean by ” being returned to health”?
            How would you suggest this is done, given the presumption they are not healthy in the first place? A presumption I do not agree with.

          • Amos Moses

            “Transgender is no body dismorphic disorder, or anything like it. ”

            Wrong …. yes it is ……….. it is looking in the mirror and seeing something that is different from reality … and this includes anorexia, bulimia, OCD, and transexualism, etc ……..

          • Jenny Ondioline

            The very fact it appears on the cover of National Geographic should tell you that it exists and is valid.

      • johndoe

        Ummmm…you couldn’t be more wrong. Try doing a little research before posting and you won’t be wiping egg off your face.

  • AustinRocks

    Pervy parents for sure.

    • Studentenviro

      What do you mean “Pervy parents”? Please explain.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Parents wired to perversion and falsehood. They must have brainwashed the girl to want to be a boy.

        • Studentenviro

          “Parents wired to perversion and falsehood.” What exactly does that mean. Are you saying the parents brains developed to have natural “perversion and falsehood”, and what is perversion?

          You do not know this family. You do not know their history or the history of the child so you really have no cause to make such a judgement. You may not agree with them but you have no evidence they are either perverse or liars.
          Thank you and happy new year.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Perversion is the sinful desire to have lust over the same-sex members or to become the gender which the person is not born with. There were news of lesbians who manually changed the children’s birth genders. They are not even their real parents. Children are being ruined by perv adults. Why do you have to defend the sinfulness of transgenderism? Both homosexuality and transgenderism are a sinful rebellion against the Creator God and are altogether destructive at that. Those cause addictions and sickness and suicides and family-wrecks. Children need education to live out the birth gender to be normal and happy.

          • Studentenviro

            So sorry but I’m not into your concept of a superbeing controlling our destiny. I’m more into science which is based on hard evidence not superstition.
            You say “or to become the gender which the person is not born with. ” I think you mean gender identity and I agree a person should stay the gender identity they are born with. However, that gender identity they are born with does not always match their biological sex.
            Being transgender or homosexual are no more sins than being born blind or having Down’s Syndrome. They are all caused by genetic or epigenetic processes. You are condemning a person as sinful because of genetics or epigenetic processes that happened before they are born.
            As for the case of the lesbians you talk of. I would very much like to look into that and find the exact circumstances behind it. Perhaps you could provide me with the link to the story.
            Finally, there is absolutely no evidence that being transgender or homosexual cause addiction, sickness or suicide. While transgender and homosexual people do become addicts, sick and suicidal so do people in the normal population. Other circumstances cause these conditions not being transgender or homosexual.
            I respect your choice to have faith in a superbeing but I reject your notion that either being transgender or homosexual are sins.
            Happy new year to you.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            That’s what’s wrong about you. Today’s Western culture is such a severe racist to put the colored people and sexually sinful people in the same category. Stop insulting colored people and the people with disability. Willful sin is not something like skin colors or disabilities. Sin must be educated to be repented of and given up, never be forced for endorsement. Westerners should not act smart when they are just advancing abnormal immorality out of boredom.

            Secular Western culture is run by the tyranny of hedonism because immorality is Western secularism’s inclination. You guys need the Holy Bible. People have rights to live out God’s truth and purity. Secular West uses terms like equality to enforce suicidal immorality upon the Earthlings. It’s a slavery by falsehood. The West’s homosexual notion increases the diseases and addictions and suicides and destructions of family units because it is sinful. The Holy Bible condemns it; read Romans 1 and John 3.

          • Studentenviro

            “That’s what’s wrong about you. ”
            What is that supposed to mean? Your holier than thou attitude is the first thing that makes you objectionable. Instant criticism and no compassion, some religion!

            “Today’s Western culture is such a severe racist to put the colored people and sexually sinful people in the same category. Stop insulting colored people and the people with disability.”

            Isn’t it really good of you to immediately accuse me of something I never even talked about? Where exactly did I talk of colored people? I can guarantee you are far more racist than I have or will ever be. Your remark about western people proves that. If you knew what my work was you would be totally ashamed of that statement. As for me insulting people with disabilities where exactly is the insult. Is it maybe I suggest that some peoples disabilities are caused by genes or genetics? Well tell why your all powerful superbeing allows people to be born with these disabilities. Not very righteous of him is it?

            “Willful sin is not something like skin colors or disabilities. Sin must be educated to be repented of and given up, never be forced for endorsement. Westerners should not act smart when they are just advancing abnormal immorality out of boredom.”

            What sin would that be? Please elucidate and tell me what the sin actually is? If you mean same sex couples or transgender people then if you consider them a sin I suggest you look back to your superbeing and ask him why he allows genetics to cause people to have same sex attraction and be transgender. It is biology, which according to you your superbeing is in charge of, that manifests both conditions.
            How dare you. decide whether or not a person is sinful. You have no authority or expertise to make those judgments. Your implication that some how you are morally superior to the “Western culture” makes you guilty of the sin of vanity. It is really interesting you talk of western culture to me, a person who is half eastern and has a Chinese wife.

            “Secular Western culture is run by the tyranny of hedonism because immorality is Western secularism’s inclination. You guys need the Holy Bible.”
            This is a very typical remark of the self righteous. Presuming they are the only ones who have a moral code, or thinking that moral codes are only formed through religion. I suggest you look into the history of morality and you will find religion came out of moral codes not the other way round. You have no monopoly on morality.

            “You guys need the Holy Bible. People have rights to live out God’s truth and purity.”
            You mean the book written by a bunch of men over a couple of thousand years which tells us to keep slaves, kill our daughters if they commit adulatory; do not wear clothing woven of two kinds of material (bet you don’t obey that one); strictly forbids eating rabbit, shellfish, pork, weasels, scavengers, reptiles, and owls. How about this one “When men fight with one another, and the wife of the one draws near to rescue her husband from the hand of him who is beating him, and puts out her hand and seizes him by the private parts, then you shall cut off her hand. Deuteronomy 25:11-12”, do you practice this? There are many much worse things in your book. It is full of war and killing. It talks of a superbeing that had a tantrum and killed all people on the earth except a few, some loving person! This superbeing is hypocritical. He gives Moses a command, thou shalt not Kill, then he tells Arron to go and kill everyone in the land his tribes wants to steal from the real occupants. Don’t tell me about your book. There is nothing holy about it. I do not deny there is some good advice in it like love they neighbor as thyself, something you obviously do not practice, but it is just a book written by people.

            “People have rights to live out God’s truth and purity”
            Well we have already talked of the purity of your superbeing, not very pure, but let us look at the evidence of his existence. There is none. You cannot produce one piece of tangible verifiable evidence that he even exists. Conversely, I can produce reams of hard evidence that the consensus of science is same sex attraction is biologically formed before birth through an epigenetic process. Furthermore, there is mounting evidence tat gender identity is formed by a similar process before birth.
            Now let’s talk about why you believe in your god. It is probably due to geography and chance. You happened to be born into a culture and/or a home that practices Christianity. If you had been born into a deeply religious Muslim family you would be Muslim. The same goes for Buddhists, Jewish faith, Hindu’s, and all religions. It has always been that way. What evidence do you have that your superbeing is any more real than the ancient Greek gods, or the Roman gods, or the Norse gods, or the gods of African people or any other god. There is none.

            “West uses terms like equality to enforce suicidal immorality upon the Earthlings. It’s a slavery by falsehood.”
            Let’s talk of slavery. Don’t let anybody tell you that biblical slavery was somehow less brutal than slavery in the United States. Without exception, biblical societies were slaveholding societies. The Bible engages remarkably diverse cultures — Ethiopian, Egyptian, Canaanite, Assyrian, Babylonian, Persian, Greek, and Roman — but in every one of them some people owned the rights to others. Slaveowners possessed not only the slaves’ labor but also their sexual and reproductive capacities. When the Bible refers to female slaves who do not “please” their masters, we’re talking about the sexual use of slaves. Likewise when the Bible spells out the conditions for marrying a slave (see Exodus 21:7-11).
            What is suicidal morality? You throw out such phrases yet you do not explain what you mean.
            What are “Earthlings”?

            As to homosexuality and transgender you know my position and your book wont change it. I reject your false morality for it condemns people for what is just a natural variant. Did you know that over 450 different species have been recorded with homosexual behavior. How do you explain that?

            I am the first to say you have the right to worship in anyway you wish, but do not go condemning innocent people with your sanctimonious proselytizing. You do not have the monopoly on moral codes. In fact what you are doing, by my moral code is grossly immoral.

            Finally, I noticed you somehow forgot to address this point that I raised, “Finally, there is absolutely no evidence that being transgender or homosexual cause addiction, sickness or suicide. While transgender and homosexual people do become addicts, sick and suicidal so do people in the normal population. Other circumstances cause these conditions not being transgender or homosexual.” Please present your evidence that contradicts what I say.

            Also, I said “As for the case of the lesbians you talk of. I would very much like to look into that and find the exact circumstances behind it. Perhaps you could provide me with the link to the story.” Please send me the link otherwise I will start to believe it is a made up story. Isn’t lying against your moral code?

  • johndoe

    How about deferring to common sense?
    Girls do not belong in the Boy Scouts – DUH.

    • bowie1

      In Canada they now simply call themselves Scouts which is open to both boys and girls.

      • Scott Davenport

        Yes, because if Canada ever had anything resembling a backbone you sure can’t find any traces of it now. I’m pretty sure the women of cuba could take out any army you have up there tomorrow, so I don’t think we really need any sissified opinions on this subject…. 🙂

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          Russia is eyeing the northern borders, but USA will protect Canada to preserve the nature; Earth needs oxygen for everyone.

    • johndoe

      Why not?

    • Amos Moses

      never know which of you i am talking to ……. or is it both ……… or are you a bot …….. maybe one of you could change the name to ‘Doh!” or dough ……….

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    This is doubly bad. Both boys and girls will think falsehood can get away without consequences which is not in accordance with reality. Also, inclusion of girls in a boy’s club would feminize boys and/or make them violate girls by treating them equal in combats. Pagan men abuse girls thinking girls are inferior; secular men abuse girls viewing them physically equal. Boys need Christianity to be gallant and manly and responsible, and girls need Christianity to be pure and graceful and truth-seeking. Transgenderism is a rebellion against God, and children need Christian education to obtain the truth.

  • Cristina4Jesus

    Boy Scouts were totally ruined once the liberals invaded them and took over the board which for corporate money caved in to the homo s.

    The Boy Scouts actually won in court against the homos, did not have to cave and allow homosexual teens and scout masters but they did it for the money and now no moral parent should have their kids in there. Not safe or anything sane anymore.

    There are plenty of Christian alternatives to the Boy Scouts. Lesson learned: never cave or the slippery slope is never ending.