Boy Scouts to Allow Girls Who Identify as Boys

(New York Times) Reversing its stance of more than a century, the Boy Scouts of America said on Monday that the group would begin accepting members based on the gender listed on their application, paving the way for transgender boys to join the organization.

“For more than 100 years, the Boy Scouts of America, along with schools, youth sports and other youth organizations, have ultimately deferred to the information on an individual’s birth certificate to determine eligibility for our single-gender programs,” the group said in a statement on its website. “However, that approach is no longer sufficient as communities and state laws are interpreting gender identity differently, and these laws vary widely from state to state.”

The announcement, reported on Monday night by The Associated Press, reverses a policy that drew controversy late last year when a transgender boy in New Jersey was kicked out of the organization about a month after joining.

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  • Emmanuel

    It’s time to leave this confused group and set up a real God fearing boys’ club in your church. Pastors and parents, look for a Royal Rangers group or get one started. We need boys to grow up with morals and principles. We need Godly men in the future.

    • Jason

      Why can’t other genders learn about knots, and camping, and other outdoorsy things that they teach? Why only boys?

      • Emmanuel

        They can. The Boys Scouts is the perfect place for it. But, to build up Godly men, this is not the place.

        • Jason

          Cool, we are on the same page. God isn’t needed to teach outdoorsy things.

          • Emmanuel

            That is correct. I hope they can teach a young man how to be a responsible father with a square knot.

          • Jason

            I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure teach boys about fatherhood is not in the curriculum 🙂

          • Emmanuel

            And there is where the problem lies.

          • Jason

            …at boy scouts?

    • TwoRutRoad

      “God fearing”
      Doesn’t that sound pleasant. Who (besides a masochist) would want to be in a relationship where you fear the one you love?

      • Emmanuel

        You obviously don’t know the Bible to understand my post.

  • balloonknot9

    On some level here, I don’t see why if any male or female wanted to join any group they could not do so. Perhaps if society/life was not so much about stereotypical gender roles, and more about being able to do what one is interested in learning, a lot of this gender identity crisis would not matter. As a female, I would be more interested in learning the things taught by the boy scouts than selling cookies for the girl scouts. That does not make me male, but a female who would rather learn how to do outdoor things, build things, than what the girl scouts teach. Granted both are for children, but I think it comes down to what are the child’s interests, as well as how each gender segregated group leaves large learning gaps simply based on gender.

    • Amos Moses

      “stereotypical gender roles, ”

      a penis is not a “stereotypical gender roles” ……… a vagina is not a “stereotypical gender roles” ………. men are not women …. women are not men ….. there is good reason for them to have a separateness ………. and any of those things can be learned from any number of other sources …..

      • RWH

        Amos, do you always fixate on men’s penises? Don’t you have anything better to do?

        • Amos Moses

          ummmm …. never mind …….

      • Oboehner

        They should change the name to the no-clue scouts.

      • Ambulance Chaser

        And that reason is…?

        • Amos Moses

          /SMH ……… yeah ….. unregenerate thought …….

  • Oboehner

    What about a platypus that identifies as a kitchen sink, could they join?

    • Jason

      Irrelevant

      • Oboehner

        Just as relevant as the whacko chick thinking she’s a boy.

        • Jason

          “Whacko chick” that’s rude. You dont know this person.

          Comparing platypuses and sinks to males and females is both irrelevant and non-coherent. Gather your thoughts and run them through your brain’s logic filter before… just let someone else read your writings before posting.

          • Oboehner

            If the chick thinks she’s a boy, she’s a whacko.
            Comparing the utter ridiculousness of platypuses who think they are sinks is the same as someone thinking they are something they are not. Please put your thinking cap on before posting and making yourself look bad.

          • Jason

            Calling this person a whacko is both rude and hateful. All they want to do is learn outdoorsy things. What is wrong with that. Your only reason is to be exclusive and mean.

            “Comparing the utter ridiculousness of platypuses who think they are sinks is the same as someone thinking they are something they are not.” I see you forgot your logic filter. Platypus is to sink as boy is to girl? Do you what is ridiculous? …Your reasoning skills 🙂

          • Oboehner

            One can learn “outdoorsy things” just fine without pretending to be something they are not.
            Platypus is to sink as boy is to girl – each one cannot be the other.

          • Jason

            How do you know they are pretending?

            Your analogy still does not hold up.

          • Oboehner

            Well lets see… if a girl has girl DNA but parades around as a boy, that is a pretty good clue she is pretending to be something she is not – just like the platypus and the sink.

          • Jason

            Besides the typical XY, XX, there are also XXY, XYY, and many other valid chromosomal configurations. There are also hormone levels that can alter brain development. How do you know they are pretending?

          • Oboehner

            Lift their tails and see what’s under there, then explain why some of the mentally disturbed need hormone therapy to fuel their delusion.

          • Jason

            It’s not black and white

          • Oboehner

            In the vast, vast majority of cases it is.

          • Jason

            I’m going to have to disagree

          • Chris

            What’s interesting is that Christians like Oboehner, Amos and Grace seem to believe that Christian doctrine is so important that upholding it excuses them from behaving as Christians.

          • Jason

            I know. it’s weird how hateful people are 🙂 they forget that we are all humans.

          • Oboehner

            Their insistence to use restrooms not correlating to their DNA, proves mental, not physical. Disagree all you want, doesn’t change a thing.

          • Jason

            There’s more to gender than DNA

          • Oboehner

            Mental? Yes they need help.

          • Jason

            Hormone levels at birth has a big role in brain development and gender identity. Boys brains are different than girls brains and sometimes they are in the wrong body.

            Mental problems? Possibly depression cause by constant hatred from others.

            “They need help.” Yes, to escape hateful people from harassment and sometimes assault and live a peaceful life. That’s what laws are for. We are helping them 🙂

          • Oboehner

            Sounds like psychobabble BS to me, hormone levels would also play a part in physical development would it not? Exactly what percentage of wack-jobs pretending to be something they are not actually have abnormal hormone levels (non man-made of course), .000000000001%?

          • Jason

            “Exactly what percentage?” I don’t know. Where did you get your number from?

            “wack-jobs pretending” still on the insults?

          • Oboehner

            Then you are arguing out of ignorance, stop wasting people’s time.

          • Jason

            Why, because I don’t have an exact number. Your funny 🙂

          • Oboehner

            You have NO number.

          • Jason

            and? We have experts for that sort of thing. I also don’t know the percentage of binary star systems with planets, but I can say they are out there.

  • Nidalap

    They’d already slid pretty far down the slippery slope already. Didn’t really expect them to apply brakes now…

  • Robert

    Well this certainly will change the rules of the old game who can pee the furthest. I wonder how there going to work that out ?

    • Chris

      You must have been in a far more interesting scout group. I don’t think mine ever gave merit badges for that. 🙂

  • Chris

    About time. Now if only they’d allow atheists to be scout leaders.

    • TwoRutRoad

      I was a Scout leader. Nobody asked about my religion (or lack thereof) and I didn’t tell.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    That’s not Boy Scouts, just Scouts. No more brotherhood. At this rate, anything that describes gender would be meaningless. Truth gets lost further among the people.

    • Jason

      “That’s not Boy Scouts, just Scouts.” Works for me. my daughter enjoys camping and outdoor activities (boy things,) maybe she will going the scouts 🙂

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Boys should be left alone. Girls joining them feminize boys and make them lose the purpose of life. Man has something lofty that cannot be shamed with woman but only with other fellow men; having a noble brotherhood is his birth right.

        • Jason

          “Girls joining them feminize boys and make them lose the purpose of life.” … they are learning outdoorsy stuff.

          “Man has something lofty that cannot be shamed with woman but only with other fellow men; having a noble brotherhood is his birth right.” I thought you were for equal rights?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Boys and girls are together all the time everywhere. There should be some boys-only moments to shape the sense of honor and some girls-only moments to share tenderness together. Give them both a break. You guys need real parents. Men an women are equal but are different and certain roles cannot be overlap. No woman can share the glory or the honor of manhood. Take reality in. Read the Holy Bible.

          • Jason

            ….”honor”….”tenderness” sounds sexist to me. Why can’t both males and females have both honor and tenderness?

            “Read the Holy Bible.” Read Harry Potter.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Man and woman are different. Women can’t have man’s honor and men should not be feminized but look beyond the horizens. Harry Potter is Anti-christian; such books made the readers bad descendants. Read Mere Christianity and the Chronicles of Narnia to get the truth.

          • Jason

            “Chronicles of Narnia to get the truth.” ….. HAHAHAHAHA!!!

            “Manly women kill their own babies.” Sexist.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Harry Potter is an evil cult version of all the fine British fantasy literature written by British Christian theologians. Today’s unbelieving Westerners are repaying the good with evil to their Christian forefathers. Feminist men kill human babies, too. You guys have no morality apart from Christianity and only harm selves, each other, and the children. Wake up.

          • Jason

            “Harry Potter is an evil cult version of all the fine British fantasy literature written by British Christian theologians.” Why is it evil?

            “Feminist men kill human babies, too.” Feminism, at its core, is the fight for equal treatment and rights no matter what sex you are. There are crazy feminists out there, but by that definition I am a feminist male… and I do not kill babies. I would go to jail 🙂

            “You guys have no morality apart from Christianity.” Morality comes from empathy and sympathy. We already talked about this.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Because Harry Potter attacks the Church and promotes magic-craft, though the Westerners are illiterate savages like the rest of mankind without the Church. Feminists worship women and kill the unborn children. Morality comes from Christianity. Amoral secular Western civilization of recent decades is the mega proof. Ex-christian West promotes blasphemy, infanticide, and Sodomy. That’s Anti-morality. The West needs Christianity for gaining morality.

          • Jason

            “Because Harry Potter attacks the Church.” How?

            “and promotes magic-craft.” It’s a fictional story. Give me a brake.

            “Feminists worship women.” Incorrect. Feminism advocates for equal rights.

            “and kill the unborn children.” Incorrect.

            “Morality comes from Christianity.” Incorrect.

            “…That’s Anti-morality.” No, that’s anti-your-morality. People can have different morals than you.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            1) By making the churches look oppressive. It’s weird to see the Westerners attacking the Church. You guys would have stayed as illiterate savages who sacrifice children to tree-demons like the rest if you had no Church. It’s so evil to repay the good with evil to the Church. 2) Harry Potter caused kids to get into witchcraft around the world.

            3) Feminism promotes immorality and nudism and kills unborn children. Those children have rights to life – the real equal right. 4) Westerners have no morality apart from Christianity. Today’s Western culture is the proof. Pre-christian = barbarism. Post-christian = Sodom. Morality is universal, not culturally conditioned. Your culture has deadly defects and that’s why you support public nudism and homosexuality. Get fixed by the Church and be civilized again.

          • Jason

            1) written languages were around way before Christianity. Science shows us that tree demons are not real.
            2) it’s make believe. Pretend. You understand right? …. never mind. I tried 🙁
            3) are men walking around nude getting abortions? No? Then it’s not part of feminism.
            4) morals are not universal

            …. and I do support public nudity 🙂

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Christian missionaries made literacy universal in the entire world including Europe and America. Demons are real; they are Satan’s servants. Pagans worship demons and secular West serves them. Demons work in witchcraft; that’s why Harry Potter is evil. Yes, feminism treats women same as men and makes them nudists in public. Non-christian West has not even sense of shame. Morality is universal. Ten Commmandments apply to all humans. Only child abusers oppose it. Secular Westerners are immoral hedonists. You are another proof. You guys need Christianity to be saved and proper.

          • Jason

            “Christian missionaries made literacy universal in the entire world including Europe and America.” Yes, they did help increase the literary rate, but what’s to say that wouldn’t have happened without them?

            “Demons are real.” Incorrect
            “Demons work in witchcraft.” Incorrect

            Feminist make men nudist?

            “Morality is universal.” Incorrect. It’s derived from empathy and sympathy and strength through parental and cultural influences.

            “Ten Commmandments apply to all humans.” To you. How many laws are based off the 10 commandments?

            “Only child abusers oppose it.” Explain.

            “Secular Westerners are immoral hedonists.” Incorrect

            “You are another proof.” Proof of what?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The world never had anything that everyone should read except for the Holy Bible. There isn’t such a worthy book even after 2,000 years. The Holy Bible is forever vital to everyone and read by the most people still today. Universal literacy is Western Christendom’s contribution for all mankind forever. God works in human history.

            Secular Westerners take off clothes everywhere and fight for
            unconditional abortion, though abortion is murder. Western feminism is
            the contributor; they say, “Women should strip off like men in the
            streets and kill the unborns at will.” Hopeless species. I think they did not have real parents and grew up doing drugs. I think Westerners are sparkling beautiful, but people should be properly dressed up in public. No exception. Not-keeping virginity-before-marriage is destructive to men and women. Non-virgins show skin to everyone like madmen.

            Civilizations fail in morality; there has been massive number of innocent victims one way or another – usually women and children and peasants and minorities, wherever Christianity is absent. Biblical Christianity alone makes men humane and civilized. All other religions and ideologies have failed. Today’s Westerners do not know these facts because you only watch cartoon films and imagine stuff.

            All correct laws are based on the Ten Commandments. Atheists and humanists and child-abusers oppose the Ten Commandments because they desire to continue evil doings. You are a proof that Ex-christian West adhere to hedonism. Westerners need Christianity to get saved and be good.

          • Jason

            “Secular Westerners take off clothes everywhere.” Not in my neighborhood 🙁 where? I’m living in the wrong place.

            “Western feminism is the contributor; they say, “Women should strip off like men in the streets and kill the unborns at will.”” Incorrect
            “Hopeless species.” ? Humans? I guess you aren’t a humanist after all.

            “I think they did not have real parents and grew up doing drugs.” Hateful bigotry

            “Non-virgins show skin to everyone like madmen.” Where. Give me a time and place and I’m there 🙂

            “Biblical Christianity alone makes men humane and civilized.” Sources needed.

            “All correct laws are based on the Ten Commandments.” I’m pretty sure the 10 commandments got two of them correct.

            “Atheists and humanists and child-abusers oppose the Ten Commandments because they desire to continue evil doings.” One, don’t lump me in with child abusers. That’s rude. Two, … incorrect again.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Young Westerners go naked in the tourist sites, temples, mountains, beaches, and in the shameful parades. Women’s March also confirmed the point. If they had decent parents or were sober, they’d never do such things. There should be laws against public indecency. The West and the world’s history and current conditions tell that Judeo-Christian value alone produces civilized people. All others are barbaric or abusive. Ten Commandments are all vital and correct. Exposuring children to immorality is a child-abuse; paganism and Western hedonism do that.

          • Jason

            “Young Westerners go naked in the tourist sites, temples, mountains, beaches.” Are you referring to designated nudist areas?

            “parades” nudey parades? Where; I missed it?

            Women’s march confirms what exactly?

            “If they had decent parents or were sober, they’d never do such things.” That’s a lot of assumptions.

            “There should be laws against public indecency.” There is

            “The West and the world’s history and current conditions tell that Judeo-Christian value alone produces civilized people. All others are barbaric or abusive.” … Jains, Hindus, Buddhists, etc. are barbaric? That’s bigotry

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, they get caught everywhere. Western nudists are a public disturbance in normal nations. Pride parades; the West demands it and funds it like madmen. Women’s march confirms that liberal women are shameless. You guys need real parents and morality. Stop hurting other poor nations just because you are bored from having everything. Kids don’t keep decency because of immoral public education.

            Pagan regions abolished some barbarisms thanks to the Christian Britons and Americans of yesteryears. You have no idea about outside world because you’ve been always kept safe by the superb Protestants and only watch cartoons. It’s true and reality. You secular Westerners are worthless in abolishing human sufferings on Planet Earth because you guys willfully stay ignorant and selfish.

          • Jason

            “No, they get caught everywhere. Western nudists are a public disturbance in normal nations.” Not here. I guess I keep missing these disturbances. Someone needs to make an app for this.

            “Women’s march confirms that liberal women are shameless.” Sexist

            “You guys need real parents.” Bigot

            “Kids don’t keep decency because of immoral public education.” Public schools do not teach morals; they teach education… which is how it should be.

            “You have no idea about outside world because you’ve been always kept safe by the superb Protestants and only watch cartoons.” Don’t assume. if you want to know something about me you can ask and I will gladly answer 🙂

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Just watch news. It’s everyday. Women’s march is also wrong in that they march for unborn children’s death. It’s true you need real parents for proper education. Education is impossible without morality; secularism has been wrong all along. Kids don’t value life today because of secular education’s amorality. You are just another young secular Westerner who needs to stop bashing your own noble white Christian ancestors who were normal and slender and hard-working and far better than modern Westerners regarding every moral issue. Read the Holy Bible to get saved.

          • Jason

            Women march for many reasons; equal rights being a big one.

            “Education is impossible without morality.” Incorrect. There are many brilliant people with very screwed up morals. Hitler was very smart and very screwed up.

            “Kids don’t value life today because of secular education’s amorality.” Incorrect

            No bashing here

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Women already have equal rights in the West! What more do they want? White conservative men should march for equal rights! Yes, smartness does not matter. Education must contain sane morality, the Judeo-Christian values. It’s reality that secular nations’ kids don’t respect life much. The crimes show. The West needs Christianity to be moral.

          • Jason

            To be treated with the same respect as men.

            “White conservative men should march for equal rights!” 🙂 do I dare ask

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Liberal women disrespect all mankind and endanger all children by showing their skin and using filthy languages. Conservative white men are the real gentle men. I feel sorry for them to have this kind of era after working so hard – one of the reasons I write here. It’s no use for you to try to protect the homeland. Your tribe will go extinct from childlessness and the foreigners will take the land. Work to protect something worthy instead of Sodom.

          • Jason

            “Their talent was buried for the sake of the minorities and women.” But that’s the beauty of the US and our constitution; everyone has an equal say. Our constitution is designed to protect everyone from a majority tyranny. We have a majority rule with minority rights. It’s a great place to live.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. Too many white men’s talents got buried in every aspect of the society to yield to minorities and women. When a society sacrifices one group with injustice, the whole society becomes unhappy. Liberal women pushed away the men who are more talented, and that’s why today they show skin like some mental-ill people and sleep around but cannot get decent husbands and continue to destroy other people’s children. Life is sadly fair. God will someday judge the proud Western Christendom that has become like a Sodom. Every empire was punished. Jeremiah chapter 48. You’ve been falsely indoctrinated by the liberals. Read the Holy Bible and get the truth and freedom.

          • Jason

            You keep saying “show skin;” are you a buqa supporter?

            “Liberal women) sleep around.” Can’t blame women for sex. Have you been a teenage boy… through the rest of his life? Boys are horny 🙂

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, everyone should show his or her face fully. “Showing skin” means excessive exposure of body parts in public. Everything has to do with education. Boys and girls can learn ethics and morality and virtues and remain virgin until marriage and live for each other in marrige alone. Sexual immorality since youth made men and women dissatisfied with everything in life, clinging to abnormality and perversion, and abusive towards children.

          • Jason

            “No, everyone should show his or her face fully. “Showing skin” means excessive exposure of body parts in public.” … so hijab?

            “Sexual immorality…” to you
            “…since youth made men and women dissatisfied with everything in life” by dissatisfied do you me non-complacent? Then yes, I have a drive to do better. It’s human nature and drives cultural advancements… but not caused from being horny all the time 🙂

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, the Muslim women cover too much and the Westernized women expose skin too much. The hardest thing is to be in a balance. Queen Elizabeth II is still an easy-to-view good example of humaneness and modesty. Immorality is immorality; you grew up in a false culture. People are not happier but just greedier than before. You should live to protect and provide for one woman for lifetime instead of being conscieous of your lust all the time. You’ve been educated wrong by the liberals.

          • Jason

            Her style is, how do I put this, unpleasant. Can you give me an example of someone showing “too much skin” so I can compare? What is too edgy? Where do you draw the line?

            “People are not happier but just greedier than before.” I’m pretty happy 🙂

            “You should live to protect and provide for one woman for lifetime.” I’m happily married 🙂

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, low cuts and no sleeves and mini-skirts. You believe you are happy but the reality is you are perishing in your sin. Read John chapter 3. Please wake up. If you are married, let your wife read Matthew 5-7 and John 3, too.

          • Jason

            “low cuts and no sleeves and mini-skirts.” There are tasteful no sleeved and miniskirt outfits. I’m not the biggest fan of low cuts or micro miniskirts but I don’t think it’s the downfall of America

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Downfall happens gradually. Skin-showing women ruin civilization taking decades. It’s time to dress up properly.

          • Jason

            Burqas for all 🙂 those pesky women; always trying to seduce innocent men.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, those are bad for security. Men are not innocent but are weak, so they need godly women to be godly themselves. People need each other. Read Matthew 5-7.

          • Jason

            What was once “edgy” back in the day is normal and accepted today. For instance, Back in the day people would would call chicken breast and chicken thighs by their name and would only say white meat and dark meat. The words breast and thighs were to edgy 🙂

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Women need to dress up in modesty for the glory of God and for a decent society. That truth has never changed.

          • Jason

            That maybe your truth… a subjective truth, but definitely not true for everyone.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Truth is objective and applies to all. Modesty may look slightly differ, but a common sense can help everyone on that.

          • Jason

            There are objective truths, but how people should dress is very very subjective.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            So, no lowcuts, no no-sleeves, no miniskirts, no deep-cuts on skirt, no bikini – an excellent starter.

          • Jason

            No bikinis!? I like girls in bikinis 🙁

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            That’s the problem. Men should stop raping women in the mind and no women should help such evil. Matthew 5.

          • Jason

            Raping!? In my mind there is consent 🙂

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Humans are sinful even being left alone; women do not have to fuel immorality among men and endanger everyone by dressing wrongly. That’s the whole point.

          • Jason

            Sadly, your point is ridiculous.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Modesty is what the Holy Bible commands and is the only right way.

          • Jason

            Why

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            It helps protect people. Western nudism endangers women and children.

          • Jason

            “Nudism” you and your ‘isms 🙂

            A lady can both be classy and sexy at the same time. But you know what, in all your posts it’s alway everyone’s fault but white men. That’s very disturbing.

            “Western nudism endangers women and children.” Endanger? 🙂 they’re not hiding a weapon anywhere.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Today’s sexiness endangers humans. It’s bad to men’s mind causing sins. That’s why there are more irresponsible playboys today than the previous years. Secular liberal West attacks white Christian conservative males for being right and saying right things. That’s the real racism and sexism. Immorality makes men attack women and children.

          • Jason

            “Secular liberal West attacks white Christian conservative males for being right and saying right things.” What right things?

            “Immorality makes men attack women and children.” Men that attack women and children are immoral. I would also say women that attack men and children are also immoral… and children that attack men and women. How about people that attack people are immoral… to me.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Blasphemies and homosexuality and transgender are sins, and abortion is murder. Immorality in the society makes it easy for people to do evil. Men have more physical strength and tactics to overcome women and children. Women in men’s restrooms cannot successfully attack men, but men in women’s restrooms can easily attack women and children. USA has greatly regressed as a society after losing out Christianity. When a society protects immorality over all things, it is just hopeless. Pre-christian is a barbarism but Post-christian is a Sodomic mental illness. The West needs Christianity for light and safety and civility.

          • Jason

            Man, you never have anything nice to say about women. It’s weird

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You liberals never praise white Christian men of both past and present, either, though their contributions are the top massive. You Westerners should lose weight or give up wealth and then say something against your slender hard-working white Christian forefathers, okay? They are at least more honest and diligent than you guys.

          • Jason

            “You liberals never praise white Christian men.” You’re right. We are not going to have a white Christian men holiday 🙂

            “You Westerners should lose weight or give up wealth and then say something against your slender hard-working white Christian forefathers, okay? They are at least more honest and diligent than you guys.” I am neither fat nor wealthy and I have not lied to you once.

            I do work hard 🙂 why all the assumptions?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            White Christian Pioneers’ or White Christian Inventors’ Day would end racial problems much on earth. You secular whites are the ones who increase the racial victims on both sides by disrespecting your own white Christian forefathers and giving the Earthlings false godless education. If whites respect the white race, no one will attack the whites or other races.

            You keep attacking your own normal white ancestors just because they are Christians, and that’s why so many thugs hate white people today instead of respecting them and make the world more dangertous for everyone, using the inventions of exclusively-white-race everyday all the while. A truly pathetic sight.

            The world attacks America though America has provided everyone; it parallels the sad reality that ungrateful Westerners attack Christianity this century. Maybe life is fair. Pathetic sad, though. Everyone needs Christian education to be humane and stay educated. You still are well-fed and better-off than your own forefathers; therefore you have no rights to bash them. Bash your own hopelessly immoral generations instead of congratulating them for doing evil.

            You seem not-working hard; you reply me too often. Your work does not deserve your wage probably, I don’t know. US military is wasting their efforts if the nation is determined to stay godless. You must change yourself to accomplish the mission. Read the Holy Bible and study the life-saving God’s truth – the vital thing first.

          • Jason

            “White Christian Pioneers’ or White Christian Inventors’ Day would end racial problems much on earth.” Are you kidding me? Joking?

            “If the whites respect the white race, no one will attack the whites or other races.” We, as a nation, respect all races and religions. It’s in our constitution 🙂

            Everything you say is either racist, sexist, or religiously biased.

            “You still are well-fed and better-off than your own forefathers; therefore you have no rights to bash them.” It’s called progress. I hope my kids have it better off than I did. I never said anything bad against the people who wrote and developed our constitution and those that fought to make this a country.

            Now you’re anti-military? What’s next?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No joking. Why? USA does NOT respect white conservative Christian males. Everyone gets away bashing them but not other groups. Someone has to speak up because American Christians are gentle. US Constitution is being broken by Sodomic liberals. You are denying the reality. Stop the false pretence. USA never progressed on morality but plunged off from a cliff. All Western secular nations are that way. Submission to mental illness is a huge regress, not a progress. Your children will be ruled by either sharia or sodomy at the present rate. You must stop defending immorality for the sake of your children. I’m for US military for now; they need more religious freedom, though. You guys need Christian education in US military to do things rightly.

          • Jason

            “US Constitution is being broken by Sodomic liberals.” US Constitution is being followed by Secular liberals. There; fixed it 🙂

            “I’m for US military for now; they need more religious freedom, though.” We have a bunch of religious freedoms. We can believe in whatever religion we want.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, secular liberals demand Christians and others to serve immorality though US constitution guarantees religious freedom. There are news that US military punishes those who display the Holy Scripture quotes and prohibiting the name of Jesus, though that is what Americans need the most.

          • Jason

            “secular liberals demand Christians and others to serve immorality” secular liberals demand Christians and others to respect everyone. Fixed it.

            “There are news that US military punishes those who display the Holy Scripture quotes and prohibiting the name of Jesus.” That disrespect and create hostile work environments. Atheists are not exempt from this rule. I can not go to work and run up to everyone and say god is not real. I’ll get in trouble.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yeah, respect in the 1970’s. Today, they demand Christians and all others to bow to Sodomic pervs. Your culture is sick and demanding everyone to be sick. Today’s USA is atheists’ monopoly although Christians created USA for Christian happiness. A hijack by evil. This is what happens when people leave the evil alone to grow bigger and bigger. Atheists can shut up; they have no doctrine for salvation of solution that they cherish but only the malicious desire to make religious people suffer by erasing off what is good and right out of sight from the land. They should be thankful if a cross is visible instead of being offended. People are evil when they are offended by seeing the good.

          • Jason

            “Today’s USA is atheists’ monopoly.” Incorrect… actually I don’t know what you mean, but it does not sound logical.

            “they have no doctrine for salvation.” Correct, atheists do not have a holy book to guide us to do good, but we also don’t have a holy book to justify all the bad and hateful decisions religious people do and have done.

            “make religious people suffer by erasing off what is good and right out of sight from the land.” Do you mean religious symbols and quotes on government property? Keep it on personal property and we won’t have a problem.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Everyone has to agree with atheists in the USA, and public schools only teach atheism and sexual immorality though everyone knows it’s wrong. Ex-christian nations are really evil weird – something worse than the Soviet Union. Atheists kill without reasons – the #1 killers among all ideologies. You Americans know nothing about atheism’s reign, always being spoiled and protected by the most gentle generous civilized Protestant Christians. US Atheists are bad kids that abuse their good parents.

            Atheists have no salvation and they force their meaningless salvation-less dogma upon everyone. US governments are founded upon Judeo-Christian values just like all European governments are, and Christian symbols should remain there forever. You will need to erase everything noble from America if you are going to erase Christianity off from America. Honor your Christian legacy instead of going for Post-christian Sodomic barbarism. Russians are more mature than Americans today.

          • Jason

            “public schools only teach atheism.” They teach education and leave religion to parents. if teachers teach that god does not exist (which they don’t) they would be in deep trouble.

            “Atheists kill without reasons.” No I Don’t

            “US Atheists are bad kids that abuse their good parents.” No I don’t

            “Atheists have no salvation and they force their meaningless salvation-less dogma upon everyone.” Dogma?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Science teachers teach evolution as the only theory to exist, and social studies teachers insult Christianity. Secular West singles out the Christians for ridicule. You will lose morality altogether once your fellow atheists take control. Don’t trust yourself. Men follow doctrines and dogma. You insult Christians and you are one of the bad descendants if you are white. White men should respect Christianity even if they don’t believe. Your homeland has no morality apart from Christianity. Yes, the dogma – the premise that God does not exist therefore humans can bully Christians all they want and treat humans as one of the animals. Non-believers thirst after bullying and this time the victim group is Christians instead of colored people in the USA.

          • Jason

            “Science teachers teach evolution as the only theory to exist.” Science teachers explain that the evidence shows evolution is true.

            “social studies teachers insult Christianity.” Explain

            “Secular West singles out the Christians for ridicule.” Explain

            “Men follow doctrines.” Not all people follow religious doctrine.

            “You insult Christians.” I have not called anyone names, and it is not my intention to upset people here. But as for insults go, there have been some hateful things said here, either to me or others that do not share your beliefs.

            “White men should respect Christianity even if they don’t believe.” I do. And the same goes for all beliefs. That’s is why we have secular laws.

            Atheism does not have a dogma. It is a stance on the validity of a deity.

            …Humans are animals

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Macro evolution never happened and the possibility is zero. Social teachers single out yesteryears’ white Christian pioneers for bashing while no mentioning of hellish demonic pagan barbarisms. When they praise the US soldiers protecting the white Christian pioneers’ creation works, I feel truly funny. Those social teachers should leave USA. Secular West attacks Christianity as majority religion while protecting all other religions from blasphemies and ridicules; it’s injustice.

            Atheists follow the doctrines of humans being animals and kill the unborns( all nations) and whoever do not comply with atheism( communist nations). You put down Christians for believing in God here; that’s insults. Leave religious people alone, because believing in God is the good thing. Today’s secular society leaves people to attack Christians; that’s why Christians are jailed and fined to refuse to serve immoral rites. Humans are God-image bearers, not animals. Those who believe that humans are animals massacre the fellow humans.

          • Jason

            What about dudes in speedos 😉

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Men should pull their pants up, too. But no women or children attack men, for naked men only look stupid and ill and do not cause women and children to commit violence against men. Men are physically more powerful anyway.

          • Jason

            I have a hard time taking what you say seriously. Have you seen the news? People attack people. Everybody; not just men. And I don’t look stupid naked; my wife thinks it’s hot 😉

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            ? Women and children do not and cannot attack men in the way men attack women and children. I mean scanty-dressed men in public; they are disgusting and being a bad role-model but they don’t cause women and children to be violent.

          • Jason

            There are many cases of children murdering their parents and women killing their husbands. Bad people attack people. Not just men

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are off topic. There is no case of children and women successfully raping men in men’s restrooms. Overwhelmingly men violate and rape women and children anywhere and everywhere. Read the news and be informed properly, Jason. The West should stop placing men in women’s restrooms; it’s a madness born out of having a full stomach all the time and severe boredom. Ex-christian nations that are rich regress on human rights issues. Let the boys be in Boy Scouts and girls in Girl Scouts according to birth gender. Children need education to uphold the objective truth and live out the reality instead of demanding others to bow to rich people’s mental illness. Liberals just want to make their nations un-governable because they are bored.

          • Jason

            Oh raping. You said attacking. Yes, there are more reported male rapists than female, but again, that does not exclude them. But no one is safe from rapists: adult females, adult males, female children, and male children. It has nothing to do with being transgendered. So let’s stop focusing on them and focus on the real problem: rape is bad.

            “Let the boys be in Boy Scouts and girls in Girl Scouts according to birth gender.” That’s what the transgendered people are trying to do. Do you mean birth sex? They are different, but we went through this already.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            If the government enables men to enter women’s restrooms, it endangers vulnable women and children further. Why do you young secular men have no insight or even will to protect women and children better? Your worship of constitution has blinded you. Today’s Americans resemble the Germans of 80 years. It is legal – that settles everything no matter how evil the legality is. Please start thinking on your own. Don’t ignore morality of science of the matter. Yes, everyone should be classified as the birth gender indicates. If feelings are placed over the objective truth, classification becomes meaningless and crimes only increase.

          • Jason

            “If the government enables men to enter women’s restrooms, it endangers vulnable women and children further.” Remember, the men you are referring to do not want to be men. Their gender identity is misaligned with their body.

            “Your worship of constitution.” No worship. it’s not a holy document or anything 🙂

            “Yes, everyone should be classified as the birth gender indicates.” Think you mean birth sex. Gender gets complicated.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Their gender indentity is wrong and that same falsehood gives criminals a chance to attack real women and children. Americans do worship the US constitution and ignore all other documents which are the very purpose and heart of the constitution, although they don’t keep the constitution at all by persecuting the Christians. Sex and gender are one and the same thing. Be scientific and objective. What would you say to humans who claim to be dogs and cats? It’s animal abuse to dogs and cats.

          • Jason

            “Be scientific and objective.” Scientific evidence shows that there are many factors during pregnancy that can effect gender identity.

            “Be scientific and objective. What would you say to humans who claim to be dogs and cats?” Gender and species are different.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. The West will be cured of mental illness if they face real shortage of food or some real crisis. You guys are being horribly bored and have to engage in some warped actions. It’s typical of rich people. Romans 1. Those who claim transgender and trans-species are common in that they claim a falsehood.

            Even if they really feel being in a wrong body, they should not force others to act according to the same falsehood. Truth first. Western authorities are wrong on this point and are committing human rights abuses this century. Western liberals want to subdue mankind by bending God’s truth and the clear human conscience; it’s also typical of villain powers. Man should submit to God alone and should not submit to falsehood. Submission to West’s mental illness is slavery to villains all over again.

          • Jason

            “The West will be cured of mental illness if they face real shortage of food or some real crisis.” Food abundance causes all mental illness? Wow, I did not know! His is great discovery. Did you send your scientific journal up for peer review? 🙂

            “they should not force.” Not forcing.

            “committing human rights abuses this century.” I’m not sure if you understand human rights.

            Villain powers!?!? Like laser eyes? I wish I had laser eyes.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, well-fed humans seek warped amusement by conducting sexual immorality and they force it to poor, powerless humans. It’s always the course. What planet are you from? Study Earth’s human history and read the Holy Bible to be realistic. The Holy Bible warns of well-fed villains. If the present Westerners face food shortage or similar real crisis, their warped culture will return to something normal. You guys have too much to spare in every way and it caused mental illness. Admit that. The Holy Bible alone protects humanity’s freedom, both then and now.

            There were no pervs among those who were taken to Nazi camps. Study history, son. I’m afraid today’s young liberal snowflakes would commit suicide by just losing the MacDonalds hambergers, though… Liberal men are too womanly and fragile-selfish. That’s why they want to go into women’s restrooms. Foreigners will have no trouble taking the American territory. Sodomites do not win wars. Jason, read the Holy Bible to get saved and to be a good American. US Sodom is for a moment, but the Holy Bible is forever. Isaiah chapter 40.

            Westerners force the world to bow to their mentally ill depravity. Hello? Colonialism was not enough. You guys are never sorry for any evil. Only the Christians are good Westerners, providing the Bibles and food and medicine and literacy and enable all the world to beat the slave owners. Forcing humans to bow to immorality is a human rights abuse; the West needs Christian education to be humane again. Villain powers = evil powers.

          • Jason

            “Yes, well-fed humans seek warped amusement by conducting sexual immorality and they force it to poor, powerless humans. It’s always the course.” Did you conduct controlled studies and experiments and publish your scientific journals for peer review? If not, then it’s all speculation.

            Your second paragraph is all insults.

            “You guys are never sorry for any evil.” You’re assuming again.

            “Forcing humans to bow to immorality.” Repeating this over and over does not make it true.

            “Villain powers = evil powers” and evil powers = laser eyes 🙂

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Look at today’s Western civilization; it’s obvious for all to see! It is
            also visible that white race exclusively promotes legality of
            homosexual depravity which concludes that the worship of rule of laws
            and looking at nudity since youth tends to bring sexual depravity. Being
            good-looking does not help if one is immoral. You guys need Biblical
            principles and Amish President or something to be back to totally normal
            again. West’s atrocity by installing homosexual immorality in the world
            is reality. Admit facts. Stop joking. Nothing is funny anymore. Obesity
            and childlessness are a blessing in disguise to all rich secular nations to limit mankind’s evil.

          • Jason

            I really don’t understand your thought process 🙂

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I realized the gross injustice by just looking at Obamacare’s website front page. Why two Chinese women? USA is not China. Liberals never go along with population proportion. They always push women and minorities, ignoring the white men. No wonder today’s USA does not even respect police officers. The culture needs a fix from its foundation.

          • Jason

            What Chinese women?

            Not push; respect women and minorities 🙂

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Obamacare website front page has two Chinese women. Aliens would think the USA belongs to Chinese women. Respect white conservative males, too. Be balanced and fair.

          • Jason

            ……I went to the healthcare .gov site and it has a black man with his kid… smiling

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            What is the race proportion in the Western nations? Does Planet Earth have white-majority nations today at all? Why are the white people so self-destructive or self-concealing this century? Is it self-willed or do other races make the whites be that way? Fairness at all?

          • Jason

            Where I live we are all Americans… no matter what your skin color.

            I am married… with kids (3 girls and they are a handful). I would of told you if you’d asked. It’s ok to ask questions. It’s way better than assumptions. Again, no bashing… sigh

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Please go to a Bible-preaching church with your daughters. So sad grown-ups like you let girls join Boy Scouts and boys join Girl Scouts. Something is wrong with your generation.

          • Jason

            When they grow up and their brains fully develop I will happily support whatever choices they make (Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, scouts, wood shop, home ec, college, military, McDonald’s, etc.)… unless it’s illegal choices 🙂

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Who decides what is legal and illegal? Pagans have no concept of religious freedom and Western secularism forces sexual falsehood upon the children. Children need Christian education to hear the life-saving Gospel and to be civilized.

          • Jason

            People make laws… to protect people 🙂

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Laws are useless and lawless unless they are founded on the Judeo-Christian values. Ex-christian Sodomic West establishes laws to uphold immorality and mental illness and to make religious people suffer. You guys need Judeo-Christian values to be moral and lawful.

          • Jason

            “Laws are useless and lawless unless they are founded on the Judeo-Christian values.” … like traffic laws. Redlight. STOP! in the name of Jesus. …Not how it works.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Stop being silly. Traffic laws are not to harm people and nothing else. Yes, protecting all people is a Christian virtue. Matthew chapter 5.

          • Jason

            Why can’t protecting others be a naturalistic quality developed through evolution?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Raw men do not protect those who are unrelated or the unbeneficials or the enemy nationals. The Western civilization alone knew the Christian teachings and developed Magna Carta – the laws above the humans that even kings have to keep the traffic laws. Such thing could not be evoled but taught by God. Israel failed to make good and right things universal, so the Christian West did.

          • Jason

            “Such thing could not be evoled but taught by God.” Why

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Men are sinful. Everyone needs repentance for salvation.

          • Jason

            What do you mean sinful? I’m a good person

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are a sinner. You are not good. Read the Holy Bible to find how to get saved.

          • Jason

            Im going to disagree. Im a pretty good person

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Jason, you are not good. You don’t believe in God but support infanticide and sexual depravity. That’s sinful. Read Psalm 14 to discover yourself.

          • Jason

            I feel good and do good 🙂

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Your feeling means nothing to reality.

            You have no good deeds.

            “But we are all like an unclean thing,
            And all our righteousnesses are like filthy rags;
            We all fade as a leaf,
            And our iniquities, like the wind,
            Have taken us away.
            And there is no one who calls on Your(God’s) name,
            Who stirs himself up to take hold of You;
            For You have hidden Your face from us,
            And have consumed us because of our iniquities.”

            (Isaiah chapter 64)

          • Jason

            Ouch. That hurts

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Truth hurts you unrepentant sinners, but it is the only thing that does good to you and truly helps you. Accept God’s truth as it is and stop living in the self-imposed lie, Jason. You need the Saviour. Read John chapter 4. Stop mocking life. Be serious.

          • Jason

            “Truth hurts.” No, insults hurt.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Read the Holy Bible. Don’t take the truth as insults. Accept the truth and choose life.

          • Jason

            I take insults as insults… and truths based on evidence as truth. For instance, evolution is real, there was global flood, no Adam and Eve, people didn’t live with dinosaurs, and earth is not 6000 years old. Those are truths not insults 🙂

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Macro evolution never happened and was never observed. The chance of its occurance is 0%. It’s 100% likely the same God designed each species. Our genes point towards two recent individuals, not evolution. Dinasaurs are too recent; they cannot be ancient. The evidences for global flood are everywhere on earth. It’s impossible for mankind to come up with actual data beyond several thousand years. You’ve been hearing the any random numbers from the atheists as a theory but no evidence. It must be that God made a finished world just as Adam and Eve’s bodies.

          • Jason

            Thought you’d say that. Not sure where you get your facts, but mine come from scientists.

            There is observable evidence for evolution. Fossils.
            Dinosaurs are very old… millions of years old. Fossils. We didn’t ride them like horses or anything 🙂

            “It’s impossible for mankind to come up with actual data beyond several thousand years.” The closed galaxy that we can see is 2.537 million light-years away. That means it took light 2.537 million years to get to our telescopes.

            “The evidences for global flood are everywhere on earth.” Like?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Your scientists are activists; the academia rejects anyone who does not bow to atheism. Jason, there is no method to measure the age of things beyond several thousand years except for atheists magical fantasies. Yes, if the galaxies actually took such time to reach the Planet Earth. Light and time and speed can differ at the creation moment. Space even bends. So it doesn’t mean this world is millions or billions of years. It’s just imaginations. The formation of our planetary surface such as Grand Canion and world-wide records of sea creature fossils and the entire world’s tales on a flood that we are all Noah’s descendants – all indicate Noah’s Flood. The Hebrews are the best recorder of all.

          • Jason

            “scientists are activists; the academia rejects anyone who does not bow to atheism.” Scientists can be any religion. They just have to check their biases at the door when they go to work.

            “no method to measure the age of things beyond several thousand years.” I’m guessing you are not a big fan of carbon dating.

            “Light and time and speed can differ at the creation moment.” Can’t bend reality to fit your book. That’s those biases I was talking about.

            “surface such as Grand Canyon.” Grand Canyon to a long lime to form as indicated in the rock layers.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No, science academia is mainly confined only to atheists and pretenders. Carbon dating tells nothing beyond a few thousand years. You can’t determine what is a bias and what is not. You are wrong. Rock formation happens quickly, like within weeks, what atheists claim to be billions of years, such as Mount Helena’s explosion.

          • Jason

            Carbon dating is accurate up to 50,000 years. Beyond that they use Radiometric dating.

            “You can’t determine what is a bias and what is not.” ThT is why we use the scientific method.

            Grand Canyon was formed from erosion not explosion.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            That’s what they tell you to believe. You believe whatever they say. The conclusions by the dating method can be wrong but you believe it anyway without thinking. It is your choice. Those are scholars’ imaginations and not scientific data; they will change their story at will. All we know for sure is what happens and not what happened and when. It is a matter of probability and faith on either case. Grand Canion probably appeared by the change in the continent brought by the sudden strong universal flood. The universal existence of sea life fossils is another evidence of universal flood on the entire planet.

          • Jason

            “That’s what they tell you to believe.” Who, the experts? That’s what they do for a living.

            “Those are scholars’ imaginations and not scientific data.” It’s very scientific 🙂

            “they will change their story at will.” They update their models when presented with new and better evidence.

            “The universal existence of sea life fossils.” Tried looking it up. Found nothing. Not sure what this is 🙁

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            If experts contradict with the known truth, they can be discarded. Atheism is not scientific. They have no models and will never come up with a correct one, and meanwhile we have to endure their wild sci-fi stories. If you couldn’t find them, it’s your problem. Earth has only distinct species and their fossils and no massive fossils of in-between creatures. God designed each; nothing evolved into someting else over time.

          • Jason

            Do you mean if experts discover things that are against your book?

            Atheism does not claim to be scientific.

            There are pretty good fossil records of transitional species. The evolution of whales is a good one. They didn’t start with their nostrils on the back of their head.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, atheists claim nothingness created everything – the claim contradictory to reality. Their dating method is put in doubt, too. Not trustworthy at all. Science academia bullies those who don’t show allegiance to atheism. Whales got their body system by God’s design. There are no in-between creatures of fish and whales.

          • Jason

            No, your apologists claim we claim that. I’m telling you, as an atheist, I do not claim nothing created everything.

            “Science academia bullies those who don’t show allegiance to atheism.” No, scientists don’t why people, typically religious, throw out all their hard work.

            “There are no in-between creatures of fish and whales.” Its fish to tetrapods to land tetrapods to sauropsids to synapsids to mammals to whales. But my example was just land mammals to whales… easier to manage and understand.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Then who or what caused or created everything? Face your conclusion. Atheism’s theory is Anti-scientific in the core. Scientists bully the believers so none could talk about God. This time, pretend to be a Christian when you are with them and see how they treat you. No double standard. Be honest. No, no fish became like whales and no land animals came to be from whales. They are distinctly designed each.

          • Jason

            I personally don’t know what created everything.

            “Atheism’s theory.” I’ll stop you there. Atheism is not a theory. Just simply a stance on the belief in a deity or deities. There is not one type of atheist out there.

            “Scientists bully the believers so none could talk about God.” Incorrect, scientists report facts and draw conclusions from those facts which makes it harder and harder for religious doctrine to explain reality. They are stuck on denying facts part.

            “No, no fish became like whales and no land animals came to be from whales.” Wait, you got it mixed up. It’s not fish directly to whales to land animals. Tetrapods left the water and some eventually evolved to mammals. Then a group of land mammals evolved to whales. That’s why humans are so similar to whales: bone structure, live birth, hair, produce milk, breath air. Basically, they are mammals just like us.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Then you should read the Holy Bible to find out the origin. God created everything. Atheists believe nothingness caused everything. Theists believe God created everything. Atheistic scientists exclude God from their premise and talk about their own fantasies and bully anyone who disagrees. You are wrong. God created fish and birds and land animals and humans separately. We are very similar to bananas in the way we are similar to whales. We all breathe.

          • Jason

            How can you honestly say, “Atheists believe nothingness caused everything” when I just said, “I’m telling you, as an atheist, I do not claim nothing created everything?”

            “We are very similar to bananas in the way we are similar to whales.” We share about 50% of our DNA with bananas… about 80% with whales. We are all related 🙂

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Then you are not deep enough in the atheism’s doctrines. Atheists claim nothingness and time created everything. The same God created us all. Atheists are like plagiarist criminals who copy someone’s excellent book and deny the original Author’s legitimate authentic claims. AI will rebuke all the atheists very soon if all data are put in.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. …the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.” ( Romans chapter 3 and 6)

          • Jason

            How do you know it’s correct?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The Holy Bible revealed what I am and everything I did and also revealed
            me who the glorious one true living God is; I realized and believed
            Jesus died on the cross for my sins as the Word of God says so. He is
            risen from the dead. Ask God to open your eyes to see the truth in
            reading His Word. I also observed civilizations. Christian Westerners
            are good and secular Westerners are immoral without exception. That
            concluded Christianity alone is absolutely right. Other religions do not
            have salvation at all, and all ideologies and philosophies have no
            solution for humanity’s sins.

          • Jason

            “The Holy Bible revealed what I am and everything I did and also revealed me who the glorious one true living God is.” not evidence. But I was looking for how you know the Bible is true.

            “I also observed civilizations. Christian Westerners are good and secular Westerners are immoral without exception.” Not evidence

            As of right now you believe the stories in the Bible to be true because you want to, not because of evidence. Which is why I compare it to Harry Potter. Both have the same weight in evidence.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. All the knowledge fields support the Bible teachings and Biblical claims without exception, and the Holy Bible’s content supasses all human knowledge. Nothing is more profound than the Holy Bible. For the second point, you yourself are one of the evidences.

            De-christianized Westerners do not live to protect unborn babies or uphold sexual purity; only Christian Westerners do. The stories in the Holy Bible make sense and are vital to all humans. Harry Potter makes mind dirty and forget God and enemizes the Church. Europe had only child-killing barbarisms like the rest, and it’s a sheer wonder why they want to go back to the God-forsaken era this century after having everything excellent from the Church.

            Kids get rotten and ungrateful in rich families. You do not seek the goodness or the truth but immorality, and so your heart’s direction is the problem that you believe in Harry Potter instead of the Holy Bible. Ancient Greeks sought the good and that’s why they converted to Christianity.

          • Jason

            “All the knowledge fields support the Bible teachings and Biblical claims without exception.” Not evidence

            “For the second point, you yourself are one of the evidences.” In a tax paying happy productive member of society and good samaritan.

            “The stories in the Holy Bible make sense.” …? Really?

            “so your heart’s direction is the problem that you believe in Harry Potter instead of the Holy Bible.” … I don’t believe in either. That’s my point.

            “Ancient Greeks sought the good and that’s why they converted to Christianity.” Not all of them

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Jason, read the Holy Bible like all honest men would do. Your race and tribe would have been another tragic case of illiterate savages if they had no Bible. Tax-paying and being a good samaritan is nothing if accompanied with promoting the infanticide and immorality. Liberals always congratulate self for doing evil. Weird. Harry Potter is a toxic garbage whereas the Holy Bible is the life-saving gem. Greece’s national religion has been Orthodox Christianity for the longest time.

          • Jason

            I am honest 🙂

            “Your race and tribe would have been another tragic case of illiterate savages if they had no Bible.” How do you know?

            “promoting the infanticide and immorality.” No promoting. I’m not standing on a corner handing out coupons for abortions 🙂

            I congratulate myself and those that have helped for all the hard work we do.

            There’s a big difference between national religion and personal religion. How do you know everyone in grease is Christian?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Then read the Holy Bible to prove your honesty. Pre-christian Europe was demon-worshipping and barbaric and illiterate like any others who had no Christianity. Europe converted to Christianity and became humane and literate, and the Christian missionaries taught my country men the astounding vital and good things we never heard of before or came up with on our own.

            Those are the essential things the Western Christendom has taken granted for the longest time. Many pioneer Christian missionaries died martyrdom in Europe as well as everywhere else, but the Christians kept coming and helped us, creating schools, hospitals, and orphanages everywhere.

            You don’t oppose abortion; therefore you are a helper of abortion. Germans’ silence made Hitler stay in power. Silence in facing the evil = endorsement. Secular moderners should stop congratulating themselves; they are baby-killers and sexual pervs. You guys need to have reality checks instead of the brain-damaging drinking parties, on this suffering planet.

            The Western nations had Christianity as their sane conscience and guide for over 1,000 years. Today, the West attacks Christianity in order to do evil as much as possible. It is destructive, and everyone who realizes the fact must address the issue not to become a slave to the perv West. What the West does affects most nations on earth; Earthlings must do this to protect the nations and the descendants, though it may be too late by now. The Lord is near. Read the Holy Bible to get saved, Jason.

          • Jason

            “Then read the Holy Bible.” I have in the past. I wasn’t born an atheist… correction, every baby is born an atheist. Kids gave to be indoctrinated to believe religion.

            “Europe converted to Christianity and became humane and literate.” Maybe historically, but how do you know we would still be illiterate without Christianity? That’s like saying my dad taught me to add and if I did not have a dad I would not be able to add today.

            Abortion: evil or not? Different debate. You said promote and that is what I want to focus on. I believe it is a personal choice. I do not recommend abortions. I don’t twirl a sign that says get an abortion today. I don’t try to boost abortion numbers worldwide.

            “You guys need to have reality checks instead of the brain-damaging drinking parties.” I’m not a binge drinker. Stop assuming. We talked about this.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. Every child is born knowing God. The communists and Western pervs indoctrinate children otherwise. Many communist nations bounced back to religious after the brutal abuses from atheism, but Western hedonists are being worse-hardened. De-christianized world needs sanity and morality. Yesterday, literacy and medicine were needed from Christian missionaries; today it’s sane morality.

            Mankind always need Christianity. It is wrong for Europe and America, the former Christendom, to attack the Saviour and Teacher whom they owe their life. Abortion is murder. No one has rights to terminate an innocent human life. Nazis killed the Jews believing it’s their right to do so. Non-believers drink and go to drinking parties and you congratulate them. Stop that and read God’s Word.

          • Jason

            “Every child is born knowing God.” How? Babies barely know where their hands and feet are… And have not developed a since of self yet, which occurs around 2-4 years old. How can they “know” god?

            “Non-believers drink and go to drinking parties and you congratulate them.” Nope. Assuming again. Why?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            They know God like they know the mother. Children do not need explanation that God exists. They know He does. The Word of God teaches them who He is like and what He wants them to do. Non-believers do such things; many ex-nonbelievers testify so. Jesus rescues men from the power of alcohol.

          • Jason

            “They know God like they know the mother. Children do not need explanation that God exists. They know He does.” Proof?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Ask any little child who can handle language. They always ask who is God and not what is God.

          • Jason

            Growing up the child hears god referred to using personified characteristics as well as pronouns such as, “he.” Of course a child will as who and not what. I just hope they also ask why 🙂

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Children know God. Every human does. Secular Westerners ask questions on every self-evident matter – that’s the proof they are being bored from having a full stomach for the longest time. Yesteryears’ Western philosophers were far more honest and they affirmed God’s existence logically.

          • Jason

            “Children know God. Every human does.” Incorrect. Religion is taught.

            “Yesteryears’ Western philosophers were far more honest and they affirmed God’s existence logically.” Explain their arguments, because I have not heard a convincing/logical argument for god ever. Just a heads up: arguments using word play are not good arguments. Humans define words and definitions can be lacking sometimes. Scientific evidences greatly outweighs philosophical arguments.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Yes, children need proper religious instructions, but their knowledge of God is built-in. Read classic Western philosophies if you are interested; they all affirm God’s existence by using logic. It’s just last century that too many Westerners became blasphemous especially after the WW2 and the following years of prosperity. God’s blessings have been wasted in the Western Christendom by villains. Jason, natural science is one aspect of knowledge, not all.

            You need to also employ language, math-logic, history, and social studies to get the whole truth out. Literature, music, and art also reveal about humanity and the world and point towards God. For God’s existence’ argument, your desire for autonomy is the greatest obstacle to knowing God. You must admit that you are a sinner. Classic philosophers at least had such honesty. Science does not decide what is sin or not; it just proves the world is perfectly tuned for life-sustaining and that there is a destruction when man sins. Study everything. Read the Word of God.

          • Jason

            “but their knowledge of God is built-in.” How do you know. That goes against all child development understandings.

            “Read classic Western philosophies.” Like what? What should I read?

            “natural science is one aspect of knowledge, not all.” Science is the study of the natural world. If something exists in this space and time, then it can be studied… scientifically.

            “Literature, music, and art also reveal about humanity and the world and point towards God.” ? Literature, music, and art are not evidence for a god.

            “You must admit that you are a sinner.” So I must believe it to be true in order to see that it’s true? Don’t you see how that’s backwards. Why not believe what evidence shows us?

            “Science does not decide what is sin or not.” It doesn’t try to. If by sin you mean morals, then biologists have a pretty good model of how we evolved to have morals.

            “Study everything.” You too 🙂

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Jason, work to earn bread for your family! Talk to you tomorrow!

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            And protect your homeland properly!

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            No child has problem with knowing that God exists. False education gives them atheism. All communist nations are the mega proof; they bounced back to Christianity and to religions when freedom was returned to them. Jean-Jacques Rousseau, Rene Descartes, Immanuel Kant, John Stuart Mill, Emile-Auguste Chartier(Alain), Adam Smith… I read digest versions. Read John Locke and C.S.Lewis, too. Natural world does not necessalily tell you everything about any entity. Your brain is in the natural world, but your mind is not. The immaterial, which surpasses the natural science, decides the material, as the Holy Bible says.

            Literature, art, and music are impossible without God. The supreme works all praise and glorify the Creator God and Jesus Christ. Admitting that self is a sinner is the first step of honesty for everyone. Honest humans see things clearly. Honest humans admit that God is right. Morality was taught by God. Baby-killers have no rights to talk about morality and its origin; most liberal biologists are disqualified individuals on talking of morality, let alone deciding what it is.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Americans must believe in God. Atheistic Westerners always do mega evils upon the entire mankind because the West is rich and powerful and influential. Why don’t you guys learn nothing from the history of all the atheistic empires which your Christian American fathers have defeated?

          • Jason

            “Americans must believe in God.” That’s not what our constitution says 🙂

            I don’t do “mega evils.”

            “atheistic empires.” 🙂

            “Christian American fathers” not everyone living here is Christian. This country is a melting pot of religious freedom.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            America’s founding documents and national anthems and pledge all testify that Americans believe in God alone and ask Him for blessings and protection. Constitution says they don’t have to exercise Christianity, but American atheists oppress the Christians too much. Everytime Americans sing national anthems or use money bills, they prove that they live in God’s nation. Freedom not to exercise a religion does not include bullying the Christians.

            Westerners do mega evil on earth when they go against Christianity their only sane conscience because they are powerful not because they outnumber. You are too young to remember anything. Most of Americans were educated as Christian; that’s the only reason US military did not abuse but did good to others unlike other empires. USA has become very immoral now no human being knows the future, though.

          • Jason

            “testify that Americans believe in God alone and ask Him for blessings and protection.” Some do… well, majority of Americans do, but not all.

            “Constitution says they don’t have to exercise Christianity, but American atheists oppress the Christians too much.” Incorrect

            “Everytime Americans sing national anthems or use money bills.” Both religious references are unconstitutional.

            “Most of Americans were educated as Christian.” Until we grew up and understood that other religious beliefs live here as well.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Jason, would you limit yourself to 10 comments for me per day from now on? Work more to feed your family better and read the Holy Bible instead of replying to me. Spend more time with your wife and daughters, please. I feel bad about this whole thing now. I think I’m causing you some waste of time. I may not reply you even if I have answers, because I do not want you to waste time. You know the correct answers, but you just want to disturb me, don’t you? Stop that and talk to Baptist pastors in your land instead.

            US Constitution is based on the Biblical principles; mankind cannot even come up with the vocabs such as freedom and equality apart from the Holy Bible. Your generation is looking at a headless body of the Western civilization and have no clue where all the noble ideas came from. Study with honesty instead of wasting your time and other people’s time. Jason, you are not questing after the truth and that’s your problem.

            Westerners defend other “religions” only because other religions do not condemn the mental illness of Western hedonists. I told you many times your generation is a well-fed bored selfish hedonists and actually have no interest in religions whatsoever. Liberals want everyone to conratulate themselves and Christians don’t do that and are mad about us not-submitting to you. Who’d submit to mentally ill rich or youth, unless they are greedy fools? Christianity alone is the truth and can fix your generation.

          • Jason

            Well, it has been fun. Not many people get deep into conversation, but I find these mentaly stimulating and entertaining. I’ve researched and learned a lot of new words, ideas, apposing arguments, and supporting arguments. I hope I did not upset you in any of my posts… we both took some verbal jabs at another. I’m pretty sure all these posts strengthen your Christian belief… even though I hope I gave you some things research on your own time. I know that your posts have strengthened my understanding in my beliefs. I will read the rest of your posts, but will not reply. It’s been fun and take care.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Jason, thank you very much. You’ve been quite mannerly as an atheist. I was just wondering how long our conversation would go; it’s been many days with such huge quantity. You did not upset me as far as I recall. No matter what you do and how you live, Jason, never blaspheme especially in front of Christians or the Muslims or the Jews. It husts more than being insulted of one’s own dear noble parents. Fear God because He truly exists. Your knowledge and understanding is not all there is in this world. You can’t plan the good for everyone unless you are Christian.

            Jason, you must believe in Jesus to get saved. Remember God created the world and you and sent His Saviour to save you. Nothing else is that important because we are all sinners who deserve only abysmal justice. He alone can save your family, too. I loved the UK and USA all my life and am grieving of their drastic change in the last few decades. I’d rather be treated as a second citizen by them than seeing their descendants – the dream children of the noble Chritendom – insulting God and living for trash. Stay honest in your quest and I’ll praying that you will meet Jesus, your living Saviour.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Jason, when you see and realize life is much more than you could handle, open the Holy Bible (the Gospel of John as a starter is recommended) and start reading with an honest heart. Don’t wait too long. Gem-like truths fill the pages. Ask God to just help you. Also, visit a Bible-believing church on Sunday morning with your family. Do the most important thing for your soul. If God does not exist, no Christian gets hurt. But if He does exist, all atheists are condemned and get the due justice. Read His Word to decide if He exists or not. Don’t immerse in atheists’ writings alone. Do your part honestly by reading the Word of God. You can do it because you are still living in a free nation.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            “Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good testimony. By faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible. But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.” (Hebrews chapter 11)

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        In the similar reason, boys should not join the Girl Scout. Boys in girls’ washrooms pose danger to girls.

        • Jason

          But why can’t there just be scouts… for everyone.

          The Girl Scouts are on the right track and way more progressive than the Boy Scouts. According to the organization’s blog, “Girl Scouts of the USA and its local councils and troops value diversity and inclusiveness and do not discriminate or recruit on the basis of race, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, national origin, or physical or developmental disability.”

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Why do secular Westerners refuse to diffirenciate man and woman? Where did you leave your brain? You guys are insulting all colored people by mixing men and women in bathrooms and in designated clubs. Westerners are smart only when they have the Judeo-Christian values. American liberals only increase humanity’s suffering by being bored and chasing after zombie movies.

          • Jason

            …WTF. This is… wow. You are special.

            “insulting all colored people by mixing men and women in bathrooms and in designated clubs.” ………..*face palm* I don’t have any words for you.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Something is wrong with the Western rich people and young people. You guys are trying to enslave mankind by systematic installation of immorality and falsehood. Get Christianity and become humane again.

          • Jason

            “enslave mankind by systematic installation of immorality and falsehood.” … what? You have gone to the deep end.
            You keep saying westerners. Where do you live? Just curious.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I live in East Asia. Mixed. I want the Westerners to retain the Judeo-Christian values so that mankind could keep the truth and morality and freedom.

          • Jason

            Good to know