Minnesota City Council Votes to Return ‘Religious’ Veterans Memorial to Park After Cross Cut Off

BELLE PLAINE, Minn. — The city council of a Minnesota city voted narrowly on Monday to return a memorial featuring a soldier kneeling before a cross tombstone to a public park after veterans reluctantly agreed to cut the cross off the display due to a complaint from a prominent professing atheist organization.

Council members in Belle Plaine voted 3-2 to create a “limited public forum/free speech zone” in Veterans Park, which they believe will solve the issue.

City attorney Robert Bose told local television station KMSP that while the logistics will still need to be worked out, the plan is to allow all citizens to apply to have their veterans memorials displayed.

“[The limited public forum] ensures that there is no endorsement of religion by the city whatsoever because the memorials that will be put up represent the citizens that put them up,” also explained Alliance Defending Freedom’s (ADF) Doug Wardlow.

As previously reported, the Belle Plaine Veterans Club had recently placed the display in Veterans Park next to an inscribed stone honoring local residents who had lost their lives in various wars, from the Indian War of 1862 to the Korean and Vietnam Wars.

The silhouette showed a soldier kneeling before a grave marker in the shape of a cross, such as are seen in some military cemeteries.

But the Wisconsin-based Freedom From Religion Foundation (FFRF) contended that the inclusion of the cross in the display promoted Christianity and failed to represent other religions or those who reject religion. It asked that the symbol be removed since its placement on city property could be construed as government endorsement.

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FFRF has no objection to veterans’ memorials. Our objection is to the message of endorsement of religion over non-religion,” the group wrote in a letter to City Attorney Bob Vose in October. “Additionally, this memorial sends a message that the government only cares about the deaths of Christian soldiers, not other non-Christian and non-religious soldiers.”

It contended that even though the purpose of the display was not meant to be religious, the cross grave marker made it so.

City council met over the matter last month, and members of the Belle Plaine Veterans Club reluctantly agreed to cut the cross off the display at the recommendation of Vose.

“It was probably one of the hardest things that I had to do in a long time … to come up and cut this thing off of there,” local veteran Joe Burmeister told local television station KARE.

He said that a number of residents are upset that the symbol had to be removed.

FFRF says that it is concerned that the city has decided to bring the memorial back in totality, and says if the plan goes forward, it will propose a memorial of its own to atheists in foxholes.

“FFRF is very concerned by this turn of events,” it said in a statement on Tuesday. “It finds the new policy to be subterfuge to keep the cross at a government veterans memorial. The purpose behind the newly proposed limited public forum is religiously motivated—to keep a Christian cross on government property—and thus calls into question the constitutionality of the policy.”

In 1799, just 12 years after the signing of the U.S. Constitution, Congregationalist minister and geographer Jedidiah Morse said, “In proportion as the genuine effects of Christianity are diminished in any nation, either through unbelief or the corruption of its doctrines, in the same proportion will the people of the nation recede from the blessings of genuine freedom and approximate the miseries of complete despotism.”

“Whenever the pillars of Christianity shall be overthrown, our present republican forms of government, and all the blessings which flow from them, must fall with them,” he stated.


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  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Americans need the Cross for-ever in their land to remember who the Saviour is and why America was created and has been sustained and what US soldiers died to protect. Jesus alone can save Americans (all others along with them), and USA was created and sustained for spread of the life-saving Christianity into all the world, and the US soldiers died to protect a noble Christendom that offers human dignity and freedom. Americans know no other God. There is no other. Isaiah chapter 45.

    • Cady555

      Sorry, but no. America was created to ensure freedom of religion, not to ensure that one religious view was forced on everyone.

      The soldiers who have died for our nation did not die so that your special religion can become supreme.

      Every soldier swears allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America. Nothing else. You should read it sometime.

      • MarkSebree

        As a former Armed Service member (US Navy), I agree with you. My allegiance was, and is, to the US Constitution and the ideals of the USA. I owe no allegiance, and never have, to any religion, including far right wing versions of Christianity.

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          America is a Christendom. Go immigrate to North Korea and Cuba if you want to protect atheism. If USA had no Christianity, USA would have been very bad and not worthy of US military’s sacrifice. Why do you secular Westerners deny your own Christian legacy? Americans got all the noble ideas such as human dignity and sanctity and freedom from the Holy Bible alone. Mankind had no such concepts apart from the Holy Bible. The West has only some stupid porn stories as their original invention. Read the Holy Bible and stay civilized. Allegiance to USA practically means allegiance to Judeo-Christian values.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Americans wouldn’t have known that freedom exists unless they were Christian. Stop pretending inventing freedom; it belongs to the Christian Britain. Americans invented only stuff and not thoughts or languages. US soldiers died to preserve a good Christian nation, nothing like today’s US Sodom. USA’s founding documents and national anthems all testify that USA submits to the God of the Holy Bible.

        • Cady555

          The first Christians in British North America outlawed Christmas and made it a crime to be the wrong kind of Christian.

          You really ought to learn history.

          All humans are the same. Religion plus Political Power never equals freedom.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong. Puritan legacy is for-ever inherited by the global Christians. Many Protestant Christians reject Santa Clause as a false thing in the spirit of Puritans. St. Nicholas is the Christian sanit to be remembered. You Americans are being bad not to remember the Puritans. Humans are different. Christianity makes men civilized. Today’s Sodomic USA is the mega proof.

  • Rookheight

    Veteran memorials should not represent Christian soldiers only. There’s no need to have a Latin cross here.

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      English was born from Latin. Those who deny their ancestors have no proper descendants. Cain never cared for instructins or history; only Seth did.

      • Rookheight

        Maybe they should put up a monument to Jupiter, to celebrate our Roman religious heritage.

        Or we can just start history in the time and place when your preferred religious book came around and pretend that the other religions didn’t exist. Makes sense.

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          No, you guys just need to fast for a week. That’ll restore your mental wellness. Ex-christian Westerners only worship flthy self and nothing else. They do everything out of boredom because they never experienced real hardships.

          • Rookheight

            Interesting that you give “mental wellness” advice to those who disagree with you, while you just continually dodge all questions and spout lazy nonsense back at them. Maybe you should stop fasting and eat a diet that nutritional science has shown to help with alertness so that you will have the energy to honestly question your ridiculous faith-based positions.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I’m not fasting. Well-fed Westerners should stop forcing perversions on starving mankind on Planet Earth. That’s the point. Rich people get mental illness from having everything all the time and start bullying poor people by demanding to bow to depravity. Having an empty stomach will help you. Or read “Uncle Tom’s Cabin” instead of your Roman porn stories.

      • Cady555

        Nope. English is a Germanic language. Although it borrowed some Latin words (and words from French, Spanish, Native American languages, etc.) it is not descended from Latin. English is not one of the Romance Languages. It is Germanic. Duh.

        (To the uneducated, “Romance Language” is the term applied to languages which do descend from Latin, including Italian, French, Spanish and Romanian.)

        The “Latin cross” is merely one of the technical names of the symbol used by Christians, probably related to the church’s history in Rome.

        The Latin cross is a universal symbol of Christianity, as such it is not a symbol that honors all US veterans. Again, Duh!

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          You are wrong. English is from Greek, Latin, German, and French. Protestant Reformers polished German language and educated every German to be literate anyway. The Germans were mere peasants like everyone else until then. Reformers brought a whole-new different universe to the Europeans and to the entire world.

          • Cady555

            Wow. Just wow. The ignorance is strong with this one.

            No, dearie. English is a Germanic language, unrelated to Latin, French and certainly Greek.

            English is most closely related to the Frisian languages, which are Germanic.

            English contains some vocabulary borrowed from other languages, especially French (see William the Conqueror), but it is a Germanic language.

            You might want to open a book sometime in your life.
            j

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Latin existed before German. English sounds like Greek and Latin and French as well, not just German, and the English call Latin their mother instead of German. USA was created by the Christian Europeans. Secular Westerners keep talking about the Natives so that they could keep the Anti-christian immorality in their land all they want. USA must keep the Christian cross on sight to stay civilized; it’s the conclusion.

          • Cady555

            This is not about religion. The history of languages has no bearing one way or another on the Christianity. None. It is okay for you to accept reality in this area.

            Facts remain true no matter who believes them.

            Linguists around the world have studied Indo-European languages for over 100 years. They can trace the development of every major language. Speakers of Frisian, a Germanic Language, came to what is now Britain around 500 CE. Their langage became Old English.

            This is documented and supported by evidence.

            But never mind the evidence gathered by people who do this for a living. Somebody named Grace said on the internet that English sounds like Latin (it doesn’t) so Grace must be right.

            You really should take 3 or 4 minutes to Google the history of English. It is very interesting. Really. And has no bearing on Christianity. So drop the arrogance and learn something.

            Try it.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The English do not learn German but Latin. English and German are brothers and Latin is a mother. Christian monks made the written English language for the English to have literacy. Literacy’s purpose is always to read the text of the Holy Bible. You should stop bullying people online when you don’t even reveal your real name. The conclusion is this; it is wrong for the USA to remove the Christian cross.

          • Cady555

            That’s old. Elem schools in my area have partial immersion programs in Spanish, French, Japanese and German.

            High Schools offer German.

            Your statement that English speakers do not learn German is factually, flat out wrong.

            Since English speakers are learning Japanese, does that make English a Japanese language?

            The actions of monks in the middle ages or students today do not change the fact that Germanic settlers brought the Frisian language to Britain 1600 years ago. English is not a Romance Language.

            There are a whole lot of uses for literacy that have nothing to do with the bible.

            I am not bullying you. I am saying that you are incorrect on a topic where accurate information is readily available. I cannot fathom why you would not want to learn factual information about a topic you seem to care about and find interesting.

            I find the history of the English language interesting and fun to learn about. This is something we could have in common. The Adventure of English by Bragg is one of my favorite books.

            Wikipedia has good articles about English, Germanic languages, Romance languages, and more.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Are you English and not American? I meant by Latin the first choice of a foreign language for the English. Indeed the Europeans learn their other fellow European languages a lot, but Latin( though it’s dead) was the first choice for English to understand language. It used to be, at least. No, I mean the early Christians and not the Middle Age; Britain was evangelized by 1,500 years ago. The English were first educated to be literate by the mainland Christians from the continent.

            Education was from the Holy Scripture. Peasants and slaves had nohing else to risk life to read. It’s the same way today. The possession of the Holy Bible in readable form made the Western civilization special and superior over all. You Westerners should all admit that. If you insist you are not bullying me, stop calling other people’s name cheaply. You sound like a woman.

            Yes, the English history – history in general for that matter – is very interesting, but it’s just another European nation who has no soul other than Christianity. Those who do not read the Holy Bible never understand the history of England or Germany. Today’s Post-christian secular Westerners think and behave like any pagans. Pagans are better yet in morality, because they never bash their hard-working ancestors or promote Sodomy and mental illness.

          • Cady555

            I suggested that you learn the history of the English language, (tho there is norhing wrong with learning the history of Great Britain).

            English was and is a Germanic language, and Germanic languages are cousins to the Italic languages, including Latin, sharing a common ancestor. They simply do not descend from Latin.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            The English language took a lot of things from Latin and Greek, too. Whatever the languages are from, America is from the Christian British, and it is wrong for the Westerners to become Anti-christian atheist. The West has only Christianity as its sane conscience and morality and no other; Christless West has become decadent and forces atheism and infanticide and sexual depravity upon the world as the new form of slavery. Learn something from your own history.

          • Cady555

            Grace said
            “English was born from Latin.”
            and
            “Latin existed before German. English sounds like Greek and Latin and French as well, not just German, and the English call Latin their mother instead of German.”
            and
            “English and German are brothers and Latin is a mother.”

            Then Grace said, “Whatever the languages are from …”

            Let the bells ring
            Let the angels sing

            Grace might have learned something. Ok, she only got as far as possibly unlearning one tiny bit of false information, but who knows, maybe miracles do happen.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Cady, you should stop bullying. The English said their mother language is Latin, not me. They don’t learn German as their duty though all of them learn Latin. (At least they used to.) There are roles and usages regarding languages, not just origins or classification. You need to take those into account, too.

            English was made into the universal language because the English started the translation of the Holy Bible into their common language in the earliest time and initiated the universal translation of the Holy Bible. Empires fall and rise, but God is sovereign over all. Things actually do not happen accidentally.

            Whatever you say, the Europeans were illiterate barbarians like any others until Christianity made them humane and civilized. You Westerners should stop hating Christianity and bullying the colored people for being Christian this century. Christianity is the only religion with salvarion and your only sane conscience and morality. Non-christian Westerners only chase after sexual immorality. You need salvation by repentance and Christian faith. Read John 3.

          • Cady555

            Wow. I withdraw my previous comment. You neither learned something new NOR unlearned incorrect information. I stand corrected.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Cady, thank you for your information. You should have realized that the Germanic language and modern German lanuage are two different things in our conversation. Sorry I didn’t get it why you started explaining all these things. The Germans use Latin alphabets. Wow.

          • Cady555

            Modern German is one of many Germanic languages. English is also a Germanic language, as are Dutch, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian, Yiddish, Afrikaans, and more.

            Seriously, no snark, read The Adventure of English by Melvyn Bragg. It traces the history of English from about 500 CE to the present. The translation of the Bible gets a lot of attention and the author speaks highly of Wycliffe and Tyndale and others responsible for translating the Bible. I seriously think you would enjoy that book. It’s available on Amazon. I like the audio book because hearing the example spoken helps. The video series based on the book is excellent.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Thank you. Not just the alphabets, but vocabs are largely Latin, too. I read on the history of Engliah language before. (I had to!) The languages’ integration is in a very complicated process. Cady, there are many things that are exciting and can be learned and discovered, but history itself is meaningless without the redemption of Jesus Christ. Please read the Gospel and accept your Saviour as you should. You must ask God to help you understand His Word.

          • Cady555

            Been there, done that, realized it is all nonsense. But thanks for your concern.

            One of the reasons English is so strong is its abilty to absorb new words. Lots of near synonyms exist in English because of words borrowed from French after William the Conqueror – eat/dine, room/chamber, clothes/garments. The peasants raised pigs and cows. The wealthy ate porc and boeuf. This adds power to English. There are also many words from Asian languages, Native American languages, Spanish etc. But English is still a Germanic language.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You didn’t. You forgot everything and do not remember anything. You must read the Gospel again. Don’t neglect God’s truth and your soul. The English is great because many of them were good Christians. Today, they just worship the rule of the law though it’s meaningless if the mob or the laws are evil, instead of seeking the truth, and can’t even protect their own children. You need Jesus to get saved and be good. Yes, English is a Germanic language using Latin alphabets and many Latin vocabs and educated by Latin-using peoples.

          • Cady555

            Grace said, “You didn’t read it. You experienced nothing. You forgot everything and do not remember anything.”

            Well aren’t you special. You’re a mindreader now. The bible frowns on sorcery, dontcha know.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Cady, you show no indication that you have read the Holy Bible. All Western atheists are that way; you guys just read your own atheistic guru’s trashy junks and that’s all. Cady, are you a woman? Why do you care what Grace says? Seek the objective truth unconditionally by reading the Holy Bible and stay with topic. Don’t whine or try to shame others. That’s how you discover the truth. Liberals are too fragile though they are bullies. Poor your white Christian ancestors. Be like your noble hard-working slender forefathers a bit more. They were not baby-killing well-fed bored pervs like modern secularists.

          • Cady555

            Sorry. I was a Christian for years. I prefer reality, it is so much better than fairy tales.

            Plus when I see the way you drip with contempt for my culture (which you actually know little about) and every one who does not agree with you plus how you steadfastly refuse to acknowledge factual information even on something as innocent as the history of language, I am reminded that religion is built on a mixture of arrogance and ignorance.

            So as I said before, Been there. Done that.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You did nothing. You were never Christian. You should repent of the evil unbelief because Christianity is the only true good evidential religion that saves humans in the entire universe. You just desire to keep your blasphemous sins or homosexual lifestyle, and that’s why you bully the Christians even in Christian sites. Post-christian Westerners are only blasphemers, baby-killers, sexual pervs, racists, or all of the four.

            You have only porn stories and naked statues as your own other than Christian heritage. Both English and German use Latin alphabets; why aren’t those called Germanic alphabets? I said nothing wrong to you. Why do you come to Christian sites? Study other cultures and point the flaws to free the slaves. Non-West still has massive number of human slaves this day, torturing and eating dogs. Every culture has deadly defects. All cultures including Sodomic West need fix by the Christian Church to become civilized.

            I write here because I started receiving the news and I know and love the USA. Everyone talks about one’s own homeland and the USA. If USA starts slavery by homosexuality, many nations get affected because the Westerners fund the evil by using blood money being rich. All normal humans on earth must counter the Post-christian Western madness. It’s a disgrace as a human being to submit to wealthy childless Western pervs this century. Children are stake. You guys need Christianity to get saved.

          • Cady555

            So as I said before, Been there. Done that. Whatever you’ve got, I want no part of. I like reality, empathy and knowledge.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You haven’t. Cady, why do you come to a Christian site to talk to the Christians? Christians have God’s truth and salvation, but atheists have only nothingness and unatoned sins and despair and damnation. You need salvation from your own sins. Acts chapter 2.

          • johndoe

            Atheists are Americans with all of the same privileges and rights as christians

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Atheists should not try to remove the good Christian monuments or demand Christians to do anything bad but be humbly thankful for living in America. Atheism is bad, but Christianity is good. Bad people should be subordinate and good people should rule the nation for things to be right and for everyone to be happy. Sins and amorality should not have the same rights with the good.

          • johndoe

            Atheism is no better or no worse than christianity. Your opinion only sweetie. Reality……find some

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            They are totally different. Christians rescued and saved billions, and the atheists destroyed and massacred billions. Most of the former atheist nations bounced back to Christianity 3 decades ago. Secular Americans don’t know much about the outside world. Present gay West needs awakening, too, before hurting more children.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Secular Westerners are the species who cannot comprehend their ancestors or heritage or Western history at all. You guys seem to be like complete aliens from outer space to destroy Western children. This is what happens when the civilization loses its long-standing conscience. Please go back to the Holy Bible to regain sanity and honesty.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            “There is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name (but Jesus Christ) under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved.” (Acts chapter 4)

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Cady, read the Holy Bible starting from the Gospel of John. The entire Europeans converted to Christianity knowing the religion is unequally good and good. Today’s Western Europeans do not believe only because they don’t learn their own histyory properly and have too many stupid toys, and those toys are useless. Truth first; the Gospel of Jesus Christ is the life-saving truth for all mankind. He is the Saviour of the world. ( John chapter 4) You need to repent of your sin and trust in Jesus to get saved. Jesus is the Way and the Truth and the Life. (John chapter 14)

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Cady, read the Holy Bible starting from the Gospel of John. The
            entire Europeans converted to Christianity knowing the religion is
            unequally good and true. Today’s Western Europeans do not believe only because they don’t learn their own histyory properly and have too many stupid toys, and those toys are useless. In fact, you guys are just living on what your hard-working Christian ancestors have built well andthat’s all. Anyone can do that.

            That way, today’s native English don’t much differ from the foreign immigrants; many of you don’t resemble your forefathers of even 50 years ago – a total different species. Your forefathers were Christian-sane moral people. What made you come to hate morality altogether so? Truth first; the Gospel of Jesus Christ is the life-saving truth for all mankind. He is the Saviourof the world. ( John chapter 4) You need to repent of your sin and trust in Jesus to get saved. Jesus is the Way and the Truth and the Life. (John chapter 14)

          • Cady555

            I have read the bible, including the book of John.

            I am quite fond of morality. I simply realize that a book that never condemns slavery or rape, yet prescribes the death penalty for gathering firewood on the wrong day is a warped and fairly useless guide to morality.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You have been incapable to understand the Biblical tex. The Holy Bible is the only Book that tells mankind to be free from slavery and to have intimacy only within the one-man-and-one-woman’s marriage, protecting everyone. Secularism makes humans act like animals. Jude chapter 1. Working on Subbath was a treason that endangered the entire nation. Read the entire passage again. Today, most countries execute those who commit national treasons that endenger millions. You are not moral at all. You support infanticide and abnormal sexual depravity and force those on others. You Westerners lost your wits by losing out the Judeo-Christian values.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Today’s Western Europe’s crisis is its own Anti-christian immoral godlessness, nothing from foreigners. If the young native Western Europeans were godly and proper, no foreign elements will cause troubles on you. You guys look like ungrateful rotten kids from a good wealthy family who’ve gone wayward and blaspheme from having everything and being bored from it, forcing others mentally-ill sexual depravity for warped amusement.

            Stop blaspheming other people’s serious religions especially Christianity and showing skin in public like some madmen, and start speaking clean language and keep your marriage intact and make your children respect your forefathers. Then everyone will start respecting the Western Europe again like the former days.

            When Western Europe lost Christianity, it also lost honor, meaning, goodness, and heritage therefore ID itself. You guys always talk about how poor the illiterate savage natives are by losing the land to the white Christian English pioneers. Rich secular nations will give the land back to the foreigners by being childless because secular Sodomites have neither heritage or descendants and do not win wars. God cannot be mocked. Wake up. Read Jude 1.

          • Cady555

            Judge not, lest you be judged.

            For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are making judgment by assuming that others are judging you. Jesus commanded to make righteous judgment on crucial things. Read the entire Holy Bible. West’s inclination to infanticide and homosexuality is unacceptable.

  • tatoo

    Whose budget will the loss of the court case come out of? I guess it should be education, since you obviously do not learn anything from either. Oops or experience.

  • tatoo

    What department will have their budget cut to make up for the huge loss they will suffer.

    • MarkSebree

      It should come out of the mayor’s and city council’s salaries first, since they are the ones that are pushing for a lawsuit that they cannot win.

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    The slugs from FFRF leaving their slime trails.

  • Cady555

    But their fruit shall ye know them.

    People who want to honor all soldiers will honor all soldiers, not just those with a certain religion. They will put up memorials with symbols that do not exclude large portions of Americans, such as the boots/rifle/helmet figure, lists of names, patriotic slogans, American flags, etc.

    People who want to advertise their personal religious beliefs will put of symbols of their religion.

    People who put up symbols of their personal religion and call it a veteran’s memorial are simply using veterans to promote their own personal religious views. They have made it clear that they have no interest in actually honoring all veterans. They are just liars.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Americans wouldn’t have known that freedom exists unless they were Christian. Americans must stop pretending to have invented freedom; it belongs to the Christian Britain. Americans invented only stuff and not thoughts or languages. American soldiers battled and died to preserve a good Christian nation, nothing like today’s US Sodom. USA’s founding documents and national anthems and the pledge and money bills all testify that Americans submit to the God of the Holy Bible alone. Having to have to submit to God alone and not to human villains or to sins is the human freedom. Today, USA forces people to submit to godless secular humanists, atheists, Sodomites, and Satanists – it’s been all wrong. Americans need Christianity to get saved and be free.

    • FHRITP

      If this is the kind of horrible nonsense you spew to your homeschooled children, mark my words they absolutely are going to grow into extremely disturbed individuals. You’re FAR too brainwashed to accept any sort of blame whence it happens, but the future of your children will be, stripper, heroin addict, raging alcoholic (which I suspect you are) prisoner or the like. When that happens, remember my prediction.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        You should worry over the fate of your own secular children. They are all addicts to something bad. Western children need the Gospel message and Christian instructions to get saved and be good, just like all others do.

        • FHRITP

          Grace, there’s no way a person could cling to religion as desperately as you do if she didn’t suffer extreme mistreatment by very abusive parents as a youngster. Normally I don’t feel sorry for believers but I do for you, AND your children whom you cluelessly are very abusive to in the wake of being abused yourself. You sure are overflowing with guilt and shame. Too bad. Good luck!

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Don’t wish me the non-existent luck. You should read the Holy Bible( John chapter 3) and repent of your sins to get saved. We are fine other than the expensive school tuition. Today’s secular Western culture is so immoral many Christian parents do not wish to send children to public schools. Public schools should be made Christian-moral; today’s Western culture is the one who abuses children with deliberate atheism and Sodomism in the Nazi Youth manners. You have no rights to be personal on others when you hide your own name and even your birth gender. Be honest and fair as your forefathers were.

          • FHRITP

            Please stop transferring your rage to, and beating your children. Your rage is not their fault.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I don’t do such things. You should stop being coward and stop bullying, and the West should stop forcing immorality upon nations.

          • FHRITP

            Of course you are extremely abusive to your children! Zero doubt about that. You are as troubled a person as they come as evidenced by your bizarre, rambling, guilt and shame ridden posts. Nobody who posts as you do could NOT be abusive toward those unable to escape your evil clutches, such as your own children.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are wrong; you must stop hating the colored Christians and bullying us. Whatever you say are invalid lies anyway as your name is a fake; you are just a lying coward. Western children need rescue from the Sodomites. Western Sodom drags its children and other nations into destruction. You guys need Christianity to be saved and become civilized again.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Atheists should not try to remove the good Christian monuments( the cross, Ten Commandments, etc.,) or demand Christians to do anything bad but be humbly thankful for living in America. Atheism is bad, but Christianity is good. Bad people should be subordinate and good people should rule the nation for things to be right and for everyone to be happy.

    Sins and amorality should not have the same rights with the good(Christianity). If the good and the bad are equal, such world becomes evil because humans are all sinners. Freedom without morality is a slavery by tyranny. This is what secular West don’t get it; secularism is bad. People must be ruled by the Judeo-Christian principles to be good, or at least the Christian living must not be hindered like in today’s secular West.