Texas High School Makes Room Available for Muslim Students to Hold Friday Prayers

FRISCO, Texas — A high school in Texas has made one of its classrooms available for Muslim students to hold Friday or Jummah prayers after some students were leaving campus each week to participate in the prayers.

“[I]t kind of started when a core group of students were leaving campus every Friday for Friday prayer,” Liberty High School Principal Scott Warstler told the school publication Wingspan. “Their parents would come pick them up, so they may miss an hour and a half to two hours to two and a half hours of school every Friday.”

He decided to approach the students and offer space on campus so they wouldn’t miss class traveling elsewhere.

“So I met with those students and a couple of the parents and suggested, ‘Hey, would you be okay if the students led the prayer here at school as a group?'” Warstler recalled. “And we gave them a space to do that so that they didn’t have to be in a car traveling thirty minutes each way on a Friday missing an hour, [to] an hour and a half, of class.”

The students initially used a small conference room at the school, but as the number of participants grew, the prayer room was moved to a classroom.

“I think the trademark of what makes Liberty High so great is our diversity and in how our students respond to the different cultures and diversity on campus,” Warstler told the outlet. “This is the seventh year that we’ve been doing this and we’ve never had one issue. You know we have other religious student groups that meet maybe before school or maybe after school.”

“As long as it’s student-led, where the students are organizing and running it, we pretty much as a school stay out of that and allow them their freedom to practice their religion,” he said.

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While the accommodation for Muslim students has been ongoing for several years, the student website just reported on it this month. Local radio station KERA also picked up on the matter and spoke with Warstler and some of the students involved.

“It’s a Friday afternoon, a little after 2, at Liberty High School. Student Zaki Sayyid recites the Islamic call to prayer. He and 10 other Muslim students are inside a classroom, on their knees facing east,” the station reported on Tuesday. “Girls wear hijabs. Everyone’s taken off their shoes. They spend the next 15 minutes in prayer. This isn’t a common scene at most schools. But at Liberty, it happens every Friday.”


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  • Robert

    Another good reason for christian school education such as WELS Lutheran schools supported by school vouchers.

    • wandakate

      Christian schools, or home schooling by parents or tutors. There won’t be any of this in those schools ever. If you have to enroll you child, grandchildren etc. into the public school system then you get whatever they dish out…sorry but it seems you’re stuck with whatever they teach or do and then of course there is always the “almighty” FFRF to do the “overseeing” of everything.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Islam conquers the Western Sodom no problem

    • Robert

      No they don’t they make it worse. only Jesus can solve the problem of sin

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Yes, of course. Sometimes the pagans shamed Israel by being more righteous. The Muslims’ dedication should put us Christians living an easy life in free world should think twice about life. It’s downright tragic when the Muslims accuse the Christians of being indecent and immoral and do not show interest to the Gospel.

      • wandakate

        To remove sin from our lives we must confess-repent and forsake ALL known sins. To solve the problem of sin we need JESUS yes, and we need a clean heart. Our heart is wicked above all things. It’s the condition of our hearts that is our problem.

    • ShemSilber

      Yes, Islam will be used to correct the children of Israel, both the House of Judah and the House of Ephraim, the ten “lost” tribes, but the Master knows who they are and has kept track of us for all the years since our fathers were taken out of the Promised Land.

      Maybe you would like to see the end result for Islam, as Isaiah 10 explains it. They are the Assyrians who are the rod of the Master Yahushua’s (Lord Jesus’) anger, who go overboard in their punishment of us, the people of Israel, the vast numbers of Jacob who are presently in the Exile. They go overboard, as Isaiah says, and once they are done doing the Master’s will to correct Israel, then they will be utterly destroyed, except for those among them who become naturalized citizens of the Kingdom of United Israel, which the Master Yahushua will restore (Acts 1:6-11 and a whole lot of prophecies in your own Bible).

      There will be no more Muslim worshipping the devil, alias Allah, and turning the back to the Temple Mount, but the Master will wipe all evils clean off the face of the earth, and we will have peace on earth.

      All those who will fight against the Master Yahushua will bite the dust, and those who humble themselves before Him will have everlasting life in the Kingdom whose eternal capitol city is Jerusalem, ISRAEL, in the Name of the Master Yahushua, omein!

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        “And He(God the Father) put all things under His(Jesus’) feet, and gave Him to be head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.” ( Ephesians chapter 1)

        • ShemSilber

          For now, you will continue to walk in the light that you have.

          When you come to know more truth, then you will understand that this word “church” is a bad translation from the inspired language of the Word. You will know that the Master Yahushua never founded a “church” but came for the “lost sheep of the House of Israel” and, in process of time, return us to the Promised Land, giving the perfect and complete answer to the apostles’ question just before His ascension, “Will You at this time restore the Kingdom to Israel?” And I look forward to seeing you and millions of others there in the Master’s Presence, omein.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are in error. Translation of “church” has been correct. Jesus commanded His followers to evangelize everyone. (Matthew 28, Mark 16) Read Matthew chapter 16. “He said to them, ‘But who do you say that I am?’ Simon Peter answered and said, ‘You are the Christ, the Son of the living God.’ Jesus answered and said to him, ‘Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven. And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.'”

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I have no idea why you deny the Church, the Body of Christ. Remember, honest humans read and believe all of the Holy Bible.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    I respect the Muslims in that they pray everywhere – something only seriously dedicated humans could do. The Muslim women also dress in modesty( not talking about the head-to-toe full-covering). Although they need the Judeo-Christian teachings to obtain human rights and freedom for everyone in their land, there are some good things to learn from each other. Hopefully the Muslims will reveal the evil double standard of the secular West and spare the Christians from being forced to serve the homosexuality and transgenderism. The Muslims need Jesus Christ for the truth and salvation.

    • Robert

      Satonic worship

      • kenster777

        Be not unequally yoked with unbelievers,
        Muslims, Hinduism, Buddhist are all under the power of darkness.
        I don’t want Muslims taking over and teaching there customs and hate of Christians in U.S.A.
        Christians will have no freedom then but enjoy it while it is here.
        Because when the Anti-Christ arises Christians will be suffer much persecution.

        • Chris

          “Because when the Anti-Christ arises Christians will be suffer much persecution.”

          How many years have you been waiting for the AC again?

          • wandakate

            Scripture tells us that in the end times many scoffers will come. Where is the promise of His coming? The AC will appear at the right (on GOD”s time, not our time).

          • Chris

            Except that Christians have been declaring ‘any day now’ for two thousand years. Allow me to suggest something. Since so many Christians have expected Jesus during their lifetime and all of them were wrong perhaps the predictions of Jesus’ return aren’t that easy to understand. Just a thought. No mockery intended.

        • wandakate

          You’re certainly NOT a pre-trib believer…It’s actually a PRE-WRATH Rapture of the church, so good for you. YES, the Christian will suffer b/c JESUS Himself told us we would. He also said that we “must” persevere until (the end of this age.)
          They (Christians) will suffer through the Seal and Trumpet judgments, and just prior to the last 7 (the Bowl Judgments) that’s when JESUS will appear and take them with Him. See Rev. 11:15-19. That’s when JESUS takes possession of this world away from satan (the evil one). All who do NOT believe on JESUS will NOT be saved.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Yes, Jesus is God. Paganisms do not differ much. All unredeemed sinners are under Satan’s control, but it’s different to observe a pagan religion ignorantly and to knowingly and willfully worship Satan.

    • James Tarkin

      Nonsense. Plenty of ‘Christians’ devoutly pray and attend church but that doesn’t make them morally upright except in appearance. Watching Muslims go through rituals doesn’t make me believe they are more morally upright at all. They preach against homosexuality and then buggar each other because having sex outside of marriage is sinful. I get where you are coming from but it’s still dead religion.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        You are wrong. Only the Christian Americans are good Americans. All other Americans support infanticide and immorality or some kind of barbarism – no sane moral direction whatsoever. The USA has only Christianity as the goodness and moral guidance and should not attack the only true good religion.

    • Socialismo

      No one is free or enjoys human rights when Christians or any other religious fanatics have their way. Every little cult demands you live as they want you to. Not free at all.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Christians brought freedom and created the USA. If Christians don’t have religious freedom, that means such society has no freedom or fairness for anyone whatsoever.

      • Jason Todd

        And? So you support anarchy then?

        • Socialismo

          No I support rationality. People can follow their conscience and believe as they wish and no one should be permitted to impose their religious views on others.

          • Jason Todd

            And if they believe it is right and moral to walk over to you and blow your brains out?

            See, that’s the problem with anarchists: They abandon simple logic.

          • Socialismo

            Yeah you see that’s where rationality vs. spiritual fiction comes into play. All religion and every “god” is man made. And they set people against each other. “Believers”, many of them, seem to believe that some ancient fantasy stories enpower, indeed command them, to kill others. It’s a human sickness born of “god” and “gods” and the power hungry who employ the deluded.

          • Jason Todd

            Oooh! A troll!

            Flagged and blocked.

          • Johndoe

            More LOL!

      • Sharon_at_home

        I am an Apostolic. My Pastor told me when I joined his church, that we follow the bible. Anything we follow is in the scriptures. They will help me understand what the bible is saying, but when it comes to anything else, it’s up to us how much or how little we do. Our salvation is in our own hands so it’s our choice of what to believe, what to follow and what we live like outside of the church. If you truly want to be saved, you follow the ways Jesus set out for us to follow, because if it’s not in the bible, it’s not the truth. The Word is the Truth.
        Not every religion has the same attitudes about what the bible says. Personally if someone demands me to live the way they want me to live, I’d be looking for a church that makes suggestions rather than demands.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    The Muslims are more “righteous” than the Christians in rich free nations in that they fear God more than men, although their understanding of God is wrong. It shows in their talk. That definitely is better.

    • charlie

      Why don’t you go back where you came from if you are so crazy about muslims

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        My home countries are not Islamic. I’m not “crazy” about the Muslims. All of you need to repent of your sin and trust in Jesus to get saved. Read John chapter 3.

        • Socialismo

          LOL

    • wandakate

      They fear GOD, but who’s their GOD? Their downfall unfortunately is that they don’t believe in His son JESUS CHRIST. JESUS is their “only” way to salvation. Fearing GOD isn’t anything special as the Bible tells us that even the “demons” fear GOD and they tremble. IT’s…do we believe on JESUS CHRIST to save us from the condemnation of hell and allow us to live forever (eternally) in the coming Kingdom of GOD? That is the key…
      JESUS CHRIST said…”Believe on the name of JESUS and thou shall be saved”. JESUS also said, “I am the way, the truth and the life, and NO MAN will come to the FATHER except by me.” We “MUST” go to JESUS before we can ever reach the FATHER. JESUS is the way. He is our advocate, and our mediator to GOD the HEAVENLY FATHER…

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Yes, amen. I believe we have entered an era where the people in the Islamic land would find Jesus and get saved. The Muslims are serious about their religion and honor it more than the opinions of men, and that’s something which all Christians can learn from them.

    • ShemSilber

      The master of Islam is absolutely not the Almighty Yahuwah of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, but they have a false one, a fallen one, namely, s-a-t-a-n the devil, whom they call “Allah” and worship as if he were a god. That name is a cognate of the Hebrew word “alah,” which is translated “curse,” as in Daniel 9:11 and Zechariah 5:3, and he is the same one (and his fellow demons) for whom Gei-Hinnom, the lake of fire was made, per Matthew 25:41, and to which all who refuse to repent and turn from Islam shall soon be sent to burn to ashes (Malachi 4:1-3), by the very Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus) whom they have rejected. Romans 6:23 also says that the wages of sin is death, not everlasting life in hell-fire.

      The Master Yahushua our Redeemer will remove all evils off the face of the earth, Islam included, and we will finally have peace on earth (Isaiah 2:1-4; Micah 4:1-4). HalleluYAH and omein!

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Hell is a perfect justice by eternal torment with consciousness, according to what the unredeemed sinner has done. ( Revelation 22) Sense of time on the other side may be different from this world, but we know that God is perfectly just. The Arabs have only “Allah” as “God.” Islam is not like the Western mock religion of Satanism. Thank God that the Muslim population is hearing the Gospel this century and many are getting saved.

        • ShemSilber

          Yes, indeed, Sister Grace, some from Islam are being saved, even as Isaiah 27:13 indicates that they will be, when they hear the shofar in Egypt and Assyria, for the sounding of the shofar, the ram’s-horn trumpet, will be accompanied by the preaching of the Good News. I’ve even read of some who have witnessed that they were in dire straits in Islamic areas, and the Master Yahushua Himself came and comforted them in their troubles.

          You are quite right that Yahuwah is “perfectly just,” and when His word says that the wages of sin is death (Romans 6:23), He means exactly that, and not everlasting life in suffering. The wicked will be ashes, says Yahuwah, under the feet of the righteous (Malachi 4:3). Ashes are inanimate. So His mercy extends even to the wicked, so that, whereas He could make them suffer endlessly, He brings them to their end, the second death (Revelation 2:11; 20:6, 14; 21:8), from which there is no resurrection.

          May we all meet together in the Presence of our Master Yahushua, when He has set His throne in Jerusalem, ISRAEL, our eternal capitol city, omein and omein!

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I understand if you have a trouble believing in being eternally conscious in hell. Trust in God’s perfect justice; the Holy Bible does not teach the vanishment of unredeemed souls.

          • ShemSilber

            I also understand that you do not believe in a termination of existence of those humans who have refused to repent and turn to the Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus) for their salvation, even as I used to believe before the Master showed me otherwise, when He gave me better understanding of His Word and His great love for us.

            Nevertheless total termination is plainly what it teaches in the Word, as I have shown in my previous answers. Only the churches have absorbed the teaching of s-a-t-a-n the devil that people will suffer the same eternal punishment as he and his fellow demons will suffer in Gei-Hinnom, the lake of fire that was made for them (Matthew 25:41), where the people will burn to ashes (Malachi 4:1-3), where they will die rather than live forever in hell-fire (Romans 6:23), where they will perish rather than live everlasting life (John 3:16). My choice is to believe the Bible rather than what the churches have twisted into their interpretation of the Word that the devil himself led them to believe. Shame on those churches that do that, for they have not followed Simon Peter’s counsel of 2Peter 3:14-18 that they should not twist the Scriptures to their own destruction.

            The Master Yahushua has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that we should all turn from our wickedness to Him, the one who gave His blood as atonement for our sins and rose again to assure believers of everlasting life, omein and omein.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Believe all of the Holy Bible, not partial. The true Christian Church has been right, as the Holy Spirit has guided her and Jesus has given her authority all along. Everyone will exist eternally either in heaven or hell (Daniel 12:2,3; Matthew 25:46; John 5:28; Revelation 20:14,15).

            Hell is conscious torment. (Matthew 13:50 – “furnace of fire…weeping and gnashing of teeth.” Mark 9:48 – “where their worm does not die, and the fire is not quenched.” Revelation 14:10 – “he will be tormented with fire and brimstone.” Revelation 14:11 “the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever and they have no rest day and night.”)

            God alone knows His creatures and the magitude of what was done for eternity and how justice must be carried out for each and everyone. Trust in His Word and His character instead of having a wishful thinking. Man’s believing in wishful thinking is demanding God to do something wrong, however well-intended. Man is not holy or loving or just or omniscient. The Spirit of Jesus only leads people to trust all of His Word, never take some out or change it. (Revelation chapoter 22)

          • ShemSilber

            True it is, Sister Grace, that there are many in the churches whom the Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus) is saving, including you, no doubt, and all will be in His Kingdom, whoever they are who are faithful to Him to the end of their lives.

            It is also true that, because of an error in translation, for there is no word meaning “church” in the original languages of the Bible. People think that the Master came to found a church to replace the children of Israel, whereas He came for the “lost sheep of the House of Israel,” per Matthew 10:6 and 15:24. All the people of all the churches are only a small part of the children of Israel, for we are scattered in all the nations and intermixed with them. The Master Himself saves those who are his, and not the churches. Through the lies that the churches teach they have deceived many people. I was saved in the churches for over 60 years, and now the Master is helping me to overcome those lies. The praise belongs all to him, and none of it to the churches, in Yahushua’s Name, omein.

            The church came in as an apostasy from the truth of the Master’s message, and they propagated the lie that Simon Peter was the first pope and Clement the second. The Catholic church still insists that the pope is the vicar, meaning “in place of” the Master Yahushua. This was the devil’s plan to divert people from understanding about the restoration of the Kingdom to Israel–the very question that the apostles asked the Master before He ascended from the Mount of Olives (Acts 1:6-11). Note that the Master did not rebuke them and say, “No, there will be no restoration of the Kingdom,” but He told them to do the work. We have to leave the timing to the Father, who has put the Master in charge of everything. The Father and the Son always work perfectly together.

            In a word, the churches have usurped authority that is not theirs, and they have propagated the lie that we have immortal souls. Ezekiel 18:4 & 20 both say that the soul that sins will die. To die means to cease existing.

            Blessed are all those whose trust is in the Master Yahushua, and NOT in the churches or in any human being, omein.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Lord Jesus Himself established the Church. It is impossible to belong to Him apart from the Church, His Body. (John chapter 13-17) I’m not talking about the Catholic churches, but the invisible Church made up of all true believers. Non-believers do not cease to exist after dying or going into hell. That is not what the Holy Bible teaches. I understand your wish, but take God at all His Word. That is true faith.

          • ShemSilber

            You do have some light, and may you walk in it the best you can, and may the Master Yahushua keep adding to the light you have in order to dispel the darkness, per John 1:1-18.

            If we are obeying to learn the two main commandments that the Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus) gave us, as in Matthew 22:35-40, that is, to love Almighty Yahuwah wholeheartedly and with our whole mine and being, and to love neighbor as self, then He will keep adding understanding to us.

            It will not be long until the whole world understands that the Master came not to put the church in to replace Israel, but to restore the Kingdom to the 12 tribes of Israel, as the prophets tell us in numerous places (Jeremiah 16:14-19; chapters 30 & 31; Ezekiel chapters 23 and 37), even as His apostles asked Him just before He ascended to our Father (Acts 1:6-11).

            As for me, I praise Yahuwah that He has promoted me from the churches and has shown me that all who are saved, you included, are children of Abraham, Hebrews rather than Christians, as Paul tells us in Galatians 3:29, in Yahushua’s Name, omein.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            I’m a Christian and not a Hebrew – saved by God’s grace and through the faith in Jesus Christ alone – and spiritually a descendant of Abraham because I have the same faith as he did, but you misunderstand something. Israel and the Church are two distinct entities. Current Messianic Jews belong to the Church because this is the New Testament era. The Church will be taken into the air and then Israel will acknowledge her Messiah Jesus and believe in Him and get saved during the Great Tribulation. The timing of the Church’s rapture is not definite whether it is before or middle or after the tribulation, but the Jews as a nation of Israel will get saved separate from the Church. This is what the entire Holy Bible teaches. Read all of the Holy Bible.

          • ShemSilber

            Yes, you are a Christian; yes, you are saved by the grace of the Master Yahushua, the door to the Kingdom, per John 10, and yes, you are of the seed of Abraham through the Master Yahushua, and definitely yes, Israel and the church are two separate entities, the latter of which the Master Yahushua is not the founder.

            There is resurrection of the saints in the Scriptures, but please do not be discouraged when there is no rapture, because the Master Yahushua has not forgotten you. He never said anything about a rapture, but that He will keep us in His care and custody and deliver us safely into His Kingdom.

            Salvation is the same to all people, whether Jewish or gentile, even from Adam on down to today, through trust in the Master Yahushua, even as the word says of Abraham, that he believed the Master Yahushua, and it was counted to him for righteousness (Genesis 15:6; Romans 4:3; Galatians 3:6; James 2:23), in the Name of the Master Yahushua our Redeemer, omein.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You are in some error. Jesus Himself had said He would build the Church and He did. I & II Thessalonians teach the Church’s rapture. You need to read the entire Holy Bible and believe all of it. Don’t pick and choose from the Word of God. Those who deny the Church are not Christian.

          • ShemSilber

            You are correct in saying that I am not a Christian. The Master Yahushua Himself stepped into my life to rescue me from there and to make a Hebrew of me instead, so that now I am recovering from having been a Christian for about 60 years or so. I acknowledge the Master Yahushua, whom you call Lord Jesus Christ, and I praise Him for rescuing me from the church and its errors. When the Bible uses the word “church,” it is a mistranslation of a word that simply means “congregation,” and therefore it looks AS IF He founded a church. That’s the translators’ fault, for they are the ones who made the error. The Master Yahushua came rather for the lost sheep of the House of Israel, which you and I are, per Matthew 10:6 and 15:24.

            In short, I deny the church but absolutely acknowledge the Master Yahushua, and I praise Him for saving me from Christianity.

            Again I caution you and whoever listens: Please don’t be disappointed when there is no rapture. He still remembers you and will take care of you. Yahushua and His servant Paul speak of a resurrection and not a rapture, so as long as you trust Him to save you, He will and He has, says the Master Yahushua to you, dear Sister Grace, omein.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Please trust the Word of God instead of anyone else or anything else including yourself. If you don’t belong to the Church, you are not of Jesus Christ, either. The Holy Bible says:

            “For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.” ( 1 Thessalonians chapter 4)

          • ShemSilber

            I understand your concern, Sister Grace. Be assured by the Master Yahushua, you are saved and so am I. He is the one who saves us, and not any church, because He only is able. Those in the church who trust the Master for salvation are indeed saved, in spite of the errors and deceit of the devil that hides the real truth from us all, and those like me whom He has lifted out of the churches are likewise saved, and He will place us in His Kingdom where it is His will and pleasure to set us.

            When we meet the Master Yahushuah in the air, this is the resurrection. We meet Him in the air, for there is where He will give us our new, immortal bodies, as He is coming down to set foot on the Mount of Olives, and He leads us back down again and sets us to work cleaning up the evils off the face of the earth. We will have WORK to do, even as the Father and He have already been working, per John 5:17.

            Many from Islam will turn their backs on Islam, instead of as they do now in Jerusalem, turning their backsides up toward the Temple Mount while they bow toward Mecca.

            We all need patience to obey the words of Psalm 27:14; and 37:34, and He will reward us accordingly, in the Name of the Master Yahushua, omein.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Those who belong to Jesus go to church on Sunday to worship Him with His people, never stopping meeting together. (Acts chapter 1-2) “And let us consider one another in order to stir up love and good works, not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as is the manner of some, but exhorting one another, and so much the more as you see the Day approaching.” (Hebrews 10)

          • ShemSilber

            Well, some who claim allegiance to the Master go to church on Sunday, some on Saturday, and some on Shabbat, and they gather with like-minded brothers and sisters. As Psalm 22:14 says, all His bones, His people, are out of joint, scattered, that is, but Ezekiel 37 says He will bring them all together, both those who are alive yet at His coming, and those whom He brings home to the Promised Land, as He says in Jeremiah 16:14-19 and chapters 30 & 31. Shalom.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Jesus was raised from the dead on Sunday. The Holy Spirit came upon the believers and the Church was born on Sunday. The Early Church, the New Testament Bible still being written, gathered on Sunday to worship God and to have fellowship. The Sabbath is Sunday in the New Testament era. Days of worship do not touch salvation as God’s grace through the faith in Jesus alone saves a person, but worshiping God on Sunday in church is the most Biblical.

          • ShemSilber

            Rest assured that the Master gave His life to pay for our sins, and rose again to assure us of everlasting life, on the one hand. Those who believe on Him and confess that He is our Savior are indeed saved, says the Word in Romans 10:9 and John 6:37.

            On the other hand, there was no day of the week called “Sunday” in those days, neither on the Roman calendar nor the Jewish one, nor is there at all any certainty that what the Scriptures call the “1st day of the week” of that time coincided with the day that we call Sunday. The Jewish calendar is not even the same as it was then, but hooked up since then with the Roman Calendar in order not to conflict with it, thus avoiding some persecution as the Jews have always suffered, so that we are hard put to know which day of the week is the actual first day. We will have to wait, in other words, for the Master Himself to set us straight as to when He entered the tomb, and to show us a little simple math that proves He was there for 3 days and 3 nights, which we are hard put to prove on a “Good” Friday sunset to before sunrise on “Sunday” morning.

            Blessed are those who are learning to follow “the Way, the Truth, and the Life,” as the Master Yahushua is (John 14:6), for learning the Truth will set us free from all the lies of the devil (John 8:32), omein.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Sunday is the Lord’s Day. Both the Church and general people don’t make mistakes on that.

          • ShemSilber

            When the Master Yahushua has opened your eyes (for we are all born blind to His truth, and the devil has piled deceit upon deceit that the Master will have to help us overcome), then you will know that the calendar does not tell you which day is “the Lord’s day.” There was no such thing in the Master’s time on earth as “Sunday,” and the “first day of the week” does not necessarily coincide with it. Which day of the week He rose from the dead does not change which day that the Master Yahushua made the Sabbath at creation.

            Remember that the way is broad and easy, and the majority are on that way (Matthew 7:13-14; Luke 13:24). Majority rule does not work in Yahuwah’s Kingdom, but what He says, in the Name of the Master Yahushua, omein.

          • wandakate

            YES…YESHUA JESUS told us that we would be deceived. We have been by none other than satan himself. A “soul” IS a person.
            GOD created Adam a living “SOUL”. We are a SOUL, with a SPIRIT inside of us.

          • ShemSilber

            As the Word says in Ezekiel 18:4 & 20, “The soul that sins shall die.” A soul who dies is dead, not merely separated. As it says in both Ezekiel chapters 18 and 33, the Master Yahushua has no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but that we all turn from our Torah violations and to Him in order to live and not become ashes under His feet. Ashes have no life, nor will they rise again, as Yahuwah has told us, Jonathan Edwards with his sermon, “Sinners in the hands of an angry God,” and many other preachers notwithstanding. And the devil will be banished, never to deceive anyone again, never again teaching humans that they will suffer his everlasting punishment, for he deceived his own self above all, and he will be covered with shame and cut off from the Kingdom for all the endless ages, omein.

            Great and wonderful beyond words will be the time when all who will be saved have been and are living and working in the Master’s Presence. There will be no more worship of false elohim, no more a Muslim bent over with his buttocks to Yahuwah’s Temple Mount in Jerusalem while his head is bowed towards Mecca. Many will no doubt be saved out of Islam, as well as out of all the other heathen religions and especially out of rabbinic Judaism.

          • wandakate

            HELL is the total separation from GOD and everything good forever!!!

          • ShemSilber

            Scripture does not contradict itself. As Malachi states in chapter 4:1-3, the wicked (those who refuse to repent and turn to the Master Yahushua) become ashes under the feet of the righteous (those who have repented and He has washed clean by His blood of atonement). There is no life in ashes. Romans 6:23 says the wages of sin is death, not, as some read it, everlasting life in hell-fire. John 3:16 says we can have everlasting life in the Master and not have to perish. To perish is to go out of existence. The second death, mentioned in Revelation 2:11; 20:6 & 14 & 21:8, means just that, a termination of existence from which there is no resurrection. The doctrines of the church that say otherwise are in contradiction of the Scriptures. So the fact of life is that we have a choice whether to be born twice and only die once, or be born only once and die twice.

            This is Yahuwah’s mercy even to the wicked, to end their existence, and not to make them suffer eternally, as well He could. Praise Yahuwah for His mercy even to the wicked.

            Blessed are all those who choose everlasting life in the Master Yahushua, omein.

          • wandakate

            If they become nothing and are destroyed like that then they would be totally separated from GOD and everything good forever, wouldn’t they? Peace…What you have said is what the Adventist believe. They quote that verse as well.

          • ShemSilber

            Well, then, the SDA has something right from the Word, nu?

            The whole of the Scripture has to be taken in context, and we need to strive not to be as those who use one reference to cancel another. That fosters confusion, and we know that Yahuwah is not the author of confusion (1Corinthians 14:33). It behooves us also to learn what He says, rather than to read our reasoning into it. That’s really quite difficult, but the Master Yahushua has given teachers, some to test us to see if we’re listening to Him, and some tell us what His Word says and prove it, per 1Thessalonians 5:21. HalleluYAH and omein, in the Name of our Master Yahushua.

          • ShemSilber

            We all have misunderstandings from what we have been taught, but the Master Yahushua will see to it that it is fulfilled in us as He tells us through the Apostle Paul, per 1Corinthians 13:12: that for now we see a bit of the truth as a dim reflection, but then we will see everything clearly.

            May our Master do as He tells us in Isaiah 28, teach us line upon line, precept upon precept, little bits at a time. Then finally we will see all of His wisdom, and we will know that He brings the unrepentant humans to an end of consciousness and does not make the wicked suffer endlessly, as He has told us.

            May we always find our shalom in Him, omein.

          • wandakate

            All of this is nice for discussion purposes, however none of it is a “salvation” issue.
            Do we know YESHUA JESUS? Do we believe that HE alone is the way to YAHWEH GOD the FATHER? Have we confessed our sins, have we repented of them, and finally have we forsaken them and are we now focused on obedience to the commandments? Those are the important issues, those are our salvation issues.
            YESHUA JESUS said,
            “I am the way, the truth, and the life, and no man will come to the FATHER but by me.” ONLY JESUS made that claim. He is our “only” hope for salvation thus eternal life.
            ALL of the riches in the world won’t get us to the coming Kingdom of GOD.
            For what good would it do a man to gain the whole world and lose His soul?
            Nothing matters but YESHUA JESUS. Life is a spiritual battle between the forces of good and the forces of evil. It’s satan (the deceiver) vs GOD (the Savior). Which one we listen to is our own choice, b/c we seal our own fate.

          • ShemSilber

            Right on, Sister WandaKate. The only salvation issue is given in Romans 10:9. Do we confess both with our heart and with our lips that the Master Yahushua is the only Door to everlasting life? Per the Master’s own words quoted in John 6:37, if we go to Him, He will not cast us out.

            Everything else is commentary.

            Once He has saved us, then He will lead us into all truth, and may we become proficient in following as He is in leading, omein!

          • wandakate

            And this brings to us to a question of …Are we always saved? My answer has to be NO, a resounding NO, why? Because the Bible tells us that we are subject to losing our salvation.
            YESHUA JESUS even said, “IF you are lukewarm, I will spew you out of my mouth?, translated…I will have nothing to do with you.
            He wanted us “hot or cold”. He said, “you’re either for me or against me”. I just read where thousands of Muslims are seeing visions of YESHUA JESUS and dreaming about Him. PTL.

          • ShemSilber

            Quite right. “Once saved, always saved” is a lie straight from the devil. Didn’t Paul say, in 1Corinthians 9:27: “…lest…I myself should be a castaway”? And didn’t the Master say, per John 17:12: “…none of them is lost, but the son of perdition…”? Some with the Laodicean attitude will be saved because of the Great Tribulation, because of the need for a wake-up call. We all have to be careful to be zealous, therefore, and not lukewarm. The Master, by the way, will not give up on us. Only we can decide not to be saved after all. Per John 6:37, He will not cast away any who come to Him.

            Yes, I have also read about people in dire straits having a visit from the Master and He comforted them. If I remember rightly, once it was a mother and her child or children who were buried alive together, and He fed them and kept them alive until someone found and rescued them.

            How awesome is our Master! HalleluYAH and omein!

          • wandakate

            You mentioned the great tribulation. I do believe our thoughts on that are not lined up.
            To my understanding, the tribulation and the great tribulation are not the same. The seal AND trumpet judgments are the tribulation, and the final 7 bowls judgments are the great tribulation. Since the church (the elect) are NOT appointed to wrath, they will go Up to be with YESHUA JESUS just prior to the great tribulation (the last 7 judgments). They (the bowl judgments) are ONLY for the unrepentant sinners, they were never meant for the church to go through.
            I mentioned before that it’s a Pre-Wrath Rapture which is the glorious appearing of YESHUA JESUS, and the 1st resurrection of the dead ALL at once.
            I sent you the scriptures in the Bible about YESHUA JESUS appearing in clouds with His host/multitude of Angels. They are coming down from heaven to open up the graves of all the saints that had died and give them their spiritual bodies.
            Does this make sense to you? You never told me if you got that reply. You indicated that HE wasn’t going to appear in the clouds. HE only steps foot on the ground at the 2nd coming.

          • ShemSilber

            Shalom, Sister WandaKate. There is no contradiction between appearing in the clouds and setting foot on the Mount of Olives. He comes on the clouds, and on the way to the Mount, and on the way here, he calls up first the dead, including the two witnesses, and then those who are alive at the time, per 1Thessalonians 4, and then He puts us to work in the restoration of the Kingdom to Israel and all the preparations we need to be doing until the Renewed Yahrushalayim (Jerusalem) descends from the heavens.

            As for our thoughts on the tribulation, which we have all the time, for it is through “much tribulation” that we enter our Father’s Kingdom, or the Great Tribulation, which is in the last week of years–7 years–before His coming, especially the last 3.5 years, while the anti-Messiah is on the Temple Mount and the two witnesses are giving their testimony, our thoughts don’t make any difference, but we will understand more after the fact.

            The most important matter is to remain faithful to the Master Yahushua so that we can all be THERE, in His Presence, omein and omein!

          • wandakate

            Just one thing to contribute to this. There are TWO separate comings. First He comes on the clouds with ALL of the heavenly angels. This is HIS glorious appearing. He does NOT touch the ground.
            Second time He comes DOWN from Heaven, He will be on a white horse, and ALL the saints will be following Him on white horses to fight the last battle. He will then step foot on the ground. It’s impossible for both to happen at the same time.

          • ShemSilber

            There is only ONE Second Coming, when He comes in the clouds on the way to setting His throne in Jerusalem, ISRAEL. He comes at that time judging and making war in righteousness (Revelation 19:11), and He makes the kingdoms of this world the Kingdom of Yahuwah and of His Messiah. There is no way that He makes a “near miss” the first time and then comes again in full force. If it should work out otherwise, then I will stand corrected, but the scenario that the churches paint in this regard is not what the Word says to me.

            As I have said on other occasions, religion is from the devil. He allows a certain amount of truth to be filtered through, but clouds it with so much deceit as to make fools of us in his efforts to lure as many as possible to follow him into Gei-Hinnom, the lake of fire that the Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus) made specifically for him and his fellow demons (Matthew 25:41).

            May our Abba (Father) Yahuwah grant us to see truth in spite of the lies that the evil one has put before us, and show us a clear path through these Dark Ages and into His everlasting Kingdom, as our Master Yahushua is able to show us if we follow Him, omein.

          • wandakate

            You are correct in saying the church has made mistakes, as YESHUA JESUS told us that we would be deceived, so we will agree to disagree with some issues at this point. Blessings…

          • ShemSilber

            We are only beginning to learn how many layers of deception that Azazel, the devil, a.k.a. Allah, the false god of Islam, has laid on humanity and on the churches in particular. But finally, in the Presence of the Master Yahushua, we will learn all the truth, and the truth will make all free (John 8:32) who follow through on it, for Yahushua is “the Way, the Truth, and the Life,” omein and omein!

    • wandakate

      I don’t believe that their god Allah is the GOD of the Bible, the GOD of heaven and earth, the one and only creator. They also DO NOT believe in JESUS, the Son of GOD. Nor do they believe in the HOLY SPIRIT which was the comforter that JESUS promised He would send to lead us into all truth.
      ALLAH is a false god that has helped no one, saved no one, and causes no one to be in the coming Kingdom of GOD.

  • Robert

    A class room for their student led Muslim prayers today Tommorow the schools loud speaker system.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      No, that would be unconstitutional.

      • wandakate

        Well before you can say what is constitutional and unconstitutional you best contact the “big dictators”…FFRF. They should know since they’re the ones who are trying to “rule” everybody and stick their noses into everybody’s business in every state in the USA.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          No, they just cite the law.

          • wandakate

            Who gave them the right or the authority to do that????? It’s the U.S. Governments job to keep up with these things, b/c it’s what they get paid to do. People don’t need FFRF to butt into their affairs. If the schools, the towns, the counties, or the states have an issue, they have qualified people to handle it. FFRF don’t need to butt in. WHO made them the authority? They must think they’re GOD!!!

          • Ambulance Chaser

            “Who gave them the right or the authority to do that?????”

            The Free Speech Clause of the First Amendment.

            “It’s the U.S. Governments job to keep up with these things, b/c it’s what they get paid to do.”

            Uh, no, there’s no “Department of Enforcing the First Amendment.” If you see a First Amendment violation, YOU bring a lawsuit.

            “People don’t need FFRF to butt into their affairs.”

            They do if their rights are being violated. That’s why they call the FFRF.

            “If the schools, the towns, the counties, or the states have an issue, they have qualified people to handle it.”

            Yeah, the courts. When somebody files a lawsuit.

          • wandakate

            It’s quite apparent that you really like them, appreciate what they do etc. Others have their own opinions!!!

          • Jason Todd

            That’s not all he appreciates. Ask him about his feelings regarding the Rind study.

          • wandakate

            Not familiar with the Rind study, sorry…

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Yes, I do like them and support their work. Is there some point you’re trying to make?

          • wandakate

            My “POINT” is right there. Must have floated over your head! OTHERS have their own opinions…NOT all of us like them, or support their work.

          • ShemSilber

            They cite the colorable law, nu? The so-called laws that we use to regulate government are just as phony as the funny munny, the fiat currency, that the Fed puts out and expects us to repay for their ink and paper with gold, plus usury. HA!

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Wha…?

          • ShemSilber

            In plain English, since I don’t know much legalese, this present system is a house of cards that will shortly come crashing violently down around our ears and replaced by the REAL New World Order, administered by the Master Yahushua our Creator. The present revival of the Islamic Ottoman empire will have its blowout and be crushed by the return of the Messiah Yahushua, the one Christians call “Jesus,” but not the wimp that some think He is, will rule. Islam and all evils will be gone. We will no longer have any need either for ambulances or ambulance chasers. HAHAHAHA!

            The Master Yahushua is no longer a baby in a feeding trough nor hanging on the tree where He offered Himself to pay for our sins, but is coming in power from the heavens with a LOUD BLAST of His shofar announcing His arrival to clean up His creation that we foolish mortals have made such a bloody mess of!

            HalleluYAH and omein, in the Name of our Redeemer, the Master Yahushua, omein!

    • Chris

      Just to reassure you I was a student at Monash Uni many years ago. They had prayer rooms then that were used by Muslims as well as other faiths.

      It’s never progressed beyond that point. No call to prayer, no mosques on campus. Just the prayer room that any religious group can use as long as they make an application first. So, no need to be concerned.

      • wandakate

        No need to be concerned. Well that was then (years ago) as you say, this is in the here and NOW! Times they are a changing…We weren’t as “controlled, dictated to, or programmed, brainwashed” back then as we seem to be today. We much “wake up” and see the forest for the trees…Wouldn’t that be a good thing?

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      Western Sodom submits to Islam. Sad. The Westerners were truth-seeking and intelligent and good-looking only when they were Christian. Even the facial expressions differ.

  • https://www.facebook.com/doug.bristow3 Doug Bristow

    Where are all the stupid atheists crying foul over the separation of church and state?

    • Ambulance Chaser

      There’s no such thing. It’s a violation of either the Establishment Clause or the Free Exercise Clause. And I don’t see either one being violated.

      • Socialismo

        Because you’re not looking at it through your Jesus goggles.

    • Croquet_Player

      Students, of any faith, have a right to pray in school. That atheists tend to be more aware of this fact than say, you, calls into question your “stupid” label of them.

      • https://www.facebook.com/doug.bristow3 Doug Bristow

        Instead of “stupid” I should have used “foolish”. My bad.

        • Croquet_Player

          Yeah, I guess “well-informed” is too much to hope for, I imagine. Well, happy to help out anyway.

          • https://www.facebook.com/doug.bristow3 Doug Bristow

            Proverbs 1:7New King James Version (NKJV)

            7 The fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge,
            But fools despise wisdom and instruction.

          • Croquet_Player

            “Name-calling is not conducive to debate.” – Miss Manners, Washington Post

          • https://www.facebook.com/doug.bristow3 Doug Bristow

            If and when you decide to have an adult conversation let me know.

          • Croquet_Player

            We were. Until you started just quoting things. I can quote things too, but it isn’t a conversation.

          • Wolfman

            Amen to that. I live in Frisco and it is turning into a strange disconnected foreign land. This city is one of the fastest growing and wealthiest places in Texas. It seems the more money one has, the further away from Christ they get. We should all understand this liberal sad society we have become is all a part of God’s great plan for the second coming. If we hold to this truth, we should pity these Muslims and others like them that have heard about Christ and have rejected him. As christians, we have nothing to fear but lack of faith and trust in our Lord and Savior. Stay strong my brothers and sisters. Don’t argue with close minded people who seem to just want attention. It is unfair that we as Christians are attacked for our beliefs in so many ways each day but we suffer as Christ suffered. I don’t agree with Muslims being able to use the school for their prayers on school time. The school says they are not involved but the room they use is paid for with our taxes and the central air and heat are provided by the school as well as the light used for their prayer time. Seems like a good argument for court if someone was so inclined to take it to the city council or court system.

          • https://www.facebook.com/doug.bristow3 Doug Bristow

            God’s blessings to you my brother in Christ. Keep that light of Christ shining through you for all to see.

        • wandakate

          If they believe in the separation of church and state then why are they allowing a prayer room in the first place? A “prayer” room in a public school????? In that case…they’re going to need lots of prayer rooms, what about all the Mormons, the Jehovah’s Witnesses, the 7th Day Adventist, the Amish, the Catholics, the Protestants, and all the rest that want to pray to GOD? Where is their prayer room going to be? How do we single out just the “Muslims”?

          • Ambulance Chaser

            There’s no prayer room, they’re just letting Muslims pray in an otherwise empty room. What law is being violated here?

          • wandakate

            School is school, and church is church, or worship is worship and in general isn’t usually held in a spare room inside a public school…Apples and Oranges it seems…

          • Socialismo

            LOL. Clown. “Apples and Oranges” is not the basis of our laws.

          • Bob Johnson

            Or maybe we should just close schools all day on Friday, after all the schools are closed on Saturdays for the Jews and Sundays for the Christians.

          • wandakate

            Well Saturday is also a day of rest for many besides Jews. There are many Christians that rest and worship on Saturday. It’s still the 7th day of our week, as Sunday is still the 1st day. Kids should go 4 days per week…8 hrs. each day. That way you would accommodate most everybody…But, isn’t Saturday still the original Sabbath? Did JESUS ever change that?

          • Fur Hunter

            WandaKate…..Your post made me chuckle…..Religious beliefs only come into play when they can be used against others they don’t agree with or dislike. Everything else hinges on one thing….MONEY! One reason the ‘Blue Laws’ were eliminated…..money! They realized most were off on Sundays and would be a great day for shopping…….MONEY.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Because blue laws are an unconstitutional restriction on people’s freedom to do business whenever they please.

          • Fur Hunter

            That may be true that they were unconstitutional, but the underlying push to get rid of them was…..MONEY!

          • Fur Hunter

            Bob….Good to see you on here again. Hope all is well with you. .Regarding the religious issue here.. If certain kids want religion in their school….they need to go to a private religious school like those who go to the Parochial Schools. On another issue….Have you seen the quality and level of ‘smarts’ coming out of the public schools today? Or should I say, the lack there of. Their ability in math, science and English is ridiculous. I witnessed this in Atlanta. A 10th grader could not write a paper without major spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors. There were run on sentences, as well as incomplete sentences. And math, some could not deal in negative numbers, much less know what they were. Some schools have police at the doors? What is that? When I was in school, the worst thing that could happen was getting caught smoking in the boy’s room. Now there are fights in the halls, major disruptions in the classes. It’s a disgrace. They need to crack down, clear out the trouble makers so that those who want to learn, can.

          • wandakate

            The schools do have a responsibility, that is true. However, it’s the parents initial responsibility to teach and train their children into proper manners and how to get along with others way before school starts etc. Parenting is an “ongoing” responsibility of the parent, or caregiver of the child/children. Starts at birth and continues until they are out of school.
            The public school system isn’t raising our children, they are suppose to be educating them. Today’s schools aren’t doing a good job of that as you have noted, b/c they want them dumbed down apparently. Our future is in the hands of ALL of these kids, and LORD only knows what that will be like.
            IF parents can afford to do so, they should send their children to private/church schools, or do home schooling. This day and age the public school system isn’t what it used to be and is probably the worst type of education a child can receive. So if they aren’t taught how will they survive, how will they have decent employment? Their whole life might be messed up b/c of this new system.

          • Fur Hunter

            WandaKate…………..Major KUDOS to you!!!…..You are SO correct. I see some parents who have no clue what their kids are doing or where they are? THAT would NEVER have happened when I was growing up. And I see it in public places: restaurants, grocery stores, you name it. Sometimes I want to go over and smack the $H!T out of the parents and tell them they have brats for kids. Unfortunately, you can’t really do that. And I feel sorry for those who actually have the authority to step in, and then get fired for it. Like the cop that knocked the girl to the floor in the school because she was disrupting the class with her cell phone and would not get off it when told to. I wish it was like the old days when you could take a damn paddle to some of these kids. Oh…Sorry…..did I just show my age? GRIN!!!!….HEHEHEHEHEHE Thank you WandaKate for your excellent post. I look forwaqrd to reading more from you on future forums, just like I do Bob Johnson. Take care.

          • wandakate

            Hello Fur Hunter…Thx for the kudos and kind words…I am a published author and it warms my heart to tell the “truth”, and then voice my opinion and have another soul appreciate what I wrote. So, thank you very much, and more parents need to “parent”. They bring them into the world, and expect food stamps and welfare to feel and support them, the schools to train them and educate them, and then expect them to make something of themselves, based on what they have received. And the circle just keeps getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
            It’s a vicious cycle or birth, neglect, no discipline and poverty. JESUS (YESHUA) did tell us that there will always be the “poor” among us.

          • Fur Hunter

            WandaKate……..You are more than welcome. It is so refreshing to read someone else’s opinion and it parallels my own. It is a total disgrace what has happened with the school systems because of the lack of good parenting. And what really gets my goat is when one of those thug kids gets shot and killed by the police for some criminal act, and the mother comes out with…”Oh…he was such a good son.” Yeah. Right. In a pig’s eye. And the kid has a rap sheet a mile long. I want to puke. I see we have more in common that I could have imagined. I have two novels in print. GRIN!!! Of course, under my real name….not Fur Hunter. HEHEHEHEH

          • ShemSilber

            The best-educated and the most socially-adjusted children whom I have met in nearly four-score years of life have been those who were home-schooled and taught the proper respect for Almighty Yahuwah and His Word, the Bible, in the Name of our Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus), omein.

      • James Tarkin

        The problem is that students of any faith DO NOT have the right to leave designated class time during instructional hours to go and pray on campus. Apples and Oranges.

        • Croquet_Player

          The article doesn’t indicate they are missing any class. Yes, some people practice a religion in which it is time sensitive when they do things. Interesting that school doesn’t even meet on Sunday, isn’t it? Otherwise many Christian students would have to leave class. How fortunate for them that isn’t a concern.

          • Sharon_at_home

            “It’s a Friday afternoon, a little after 2” is what it says in the article. So yes it is during teaching time. When they are driven back and forth and miss more school they should be asked to make up for the class just as any other student.

          • wandakate

            Well then I guess people should also be allowed to leave the workplace to go worship. Will every employer need to start setting up “prayer rooms” to accommodate ALL of their employees preferences as to “worship”?????
            It’s 2 p.m. on an average workday and 35 people have to take a break to go pray while on the job? Are they going to be paid for this “absence” from their job in order to “go pray” to whatever god they are praying to????? Oh my, food for though. Our future isn’t what our past has been, that’s for sure! Grandma used to say, “what good for the goose, is good for the gander”. Maybe they’ll tell us if schools can get away with all this, then so can the average workplace.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Yes, you can.

          • Croquet_Player

            But we don’t know if they’re missing class or not. I remember having a “free period” in high school, which was around forty-five minutes that we could plug into our schedule depending upon which classes we were taking. And they’re not being “driven back and forth” anymore. They let the students use an unoccupied room precisely so they wouldn’t have to leave campus and be driven back and forth. And apparently the whole thing lasts around 15 minutes. Obviously they would have to make up any classwork they miss if they’re out of class. Why do you seem to think these students are getting some kind of a free pass other students are being denied?

        • wandakate

          Well, if I’m not mistaken PRAYER was removed from the classrooms. Do they even still salute the flag? Teachers aren’t allowed to discipline them anymore are they? GOD forbid if one of them says the word JESUS!!! Do you know they could get fired for that????? They (Disney) can make movies with “gay moments”, and have “gay pride parades”, and make cartoons with gays kissing one another but there is NO time pray on campus.

    • wandakate

      Yeah, and do you think this is going to stop at that school? Why of course not. Pretty soon I would say by no later than 2019, they will be allowing ALL schools EVERWHERE to have these “prayer rooms”…Catering to these people seems to be the “in thing” of the future. Praying and bowing to Allah or suffer the consequences for not doing so. But didn’t the Bible warn us that this would eventually happen? Sure it did.

      • Ambulance Chaser

        They’re allowed right now.

        • ShemSilber

          All those who would remove the Yahuwah-given freedom from others, the Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus) will remove all the freedom that they think they have, and they will become ashes under the feet of those who serve the Master Yahushua. We will finally have peace on earth, when Yahushua has made the kingdoms of this world the Kingdom of Yahuwah and of His Messiah (Revelation 11:15). HalleluYAH and omein!

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Yeah I sorta started glazing over because after the 11th word or so, this got really incoherent.

          • ShemSilber

            The main thing that you don’t understand is that this age is coming to an end and will be replaced by a new age, not the counterfeit that men call the NWO, but one that is under the governance of the Son of Almighty Yahuwah, wherein there will be peace and productivity by all who are living there, who through the Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus) have attained everlasting life. There will be no evils at all there, no causes for litigation or wars between individuals or countries. It’s beyond our comprehension how wonderful that age will be.

            Of course you didn’t understand, because this line of reasoning is totally foreign to your paradigms. It’s not spelled out in legalese, but it’s speaking about prophecies and other things not commonly understood except by those who believe the Creator Yahuwah exists and are seeking diligently to learn about and follow His instructions.

            Nevertheless that could change even for you, because the Master Yahushua paid the price for you also to live beyond this temporary age and agelessly into the next age. But you have to be willing, as the Master forces nobody to choose everlasting life, in the Name of the Master Yahushua, omein.

          • wandakate

            Not sure where you’re getting the spelling but isn’t it YAHWEH for GOD, and YESHUA for JESUS?

          • ShemSilber

            Shalom, Sister WandaKate.

            Those are the most common spellings, yes, but the spelling isn’t the most important matter. First and foremost is that we should be learning to do as the Master says in Matthew 22:35-40, loving Yahuwah with all our heart, soul, and mind, and neighbor as self. When we are learning to do those two, the Master Yahushua keeps adding more understanding and love of His Torah to us.

            I was saved for over 60 years only knowing the name “Jesus,” but it is a blessing to grow in learning and to know, as a song by George Oja says, “His Momma Didn’t Call Him ‘Jesus’.”

            The spelling I learned from our rabbi, Moshe Yoseph Koniuchowsky, thusly: Yahuwah is spelled almost the same as Yahudah in Hebrew, Yud-Hey-Waw-Hey as compared to Yud-Hay-Waw-Daled-Hey. The Daled is a sign of the Door, our Master Yahushua, who opened the Door of Salvation to mankind. Yahudah means “praiser of Yahuwah.”

            Yahushua (or it has been spelled Yeshua, Yahusha, Yahshua, and so forth, means “Yahuwah is Salvation,” “Yahuwah Saves,” and “Yahuwah who is Salvation,” all of those and probably more.

            When the Master Yahushua calls to the two witnesses to raise them from the dead, He is returning to rule. This is the same time mentioned in 1Thessalonians 4:13-18 and Revelation 20:4-6. Then He proceeds to the Mount of Olives (Zechariah 14) and to Jerusalem, to set His throne there. He judges and makes war in righteousness and thus administers peace on earth, for He is the Sar Shalom / Prince of Peace.

            “Ma haron atta?” “Will you be there?” Yes, with the empowerment from our Master Yahushua, we will indeed be there with the millions of other saints whom He has redeemed from these Dark Ages, omein and omein!

          • wandakate

            Thanks for the response and I looked at those scriptures. It all comes together doesn’t it??

          • ShemSilber

            Yes, dear Sister, for step-by-step the Master leads us into more and deeper understanding, and especially when we are changed from these mortal bodies and made immortal, Brother Paul’s statement of 1Corinthians 13:12 will be fulfilled: that now we see a dim reflection, but then “face-to-face,” in the Name of our blessed Redeemer, our Master Yahushua, omein.

          • wandakate

            Yes, the mortal become immortal, and the corrupt become incorrupt. Yes, we shall all be changed at that last trumpet which is Revelation 11. I will open up a discussion here if anyone is interested and it’s about 2 things…
            First YESHUA JESUS will “appear” (called the glorious appearing). This first time He will be in the clouds and He will bring with Him a host/multitude of heavenly angels and according to scripture He will “not” touch the ground. That is the time that He will call “up” from the graves ALL of those saved saints that had died. They were according to YESHUA JESUS asleep in their graves, knowing nothing. They were waiting on Him to come for them. That is when their bodies will change (in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye at the last trumpet). That will be the “glorious appearing-the rapture-and the 1st resurrection” all in one cataclysmic event. Does anyone see this is happening ALL at once? They are “rising up”, they are NOT “coming down”. They were in their graves.
            The scripture tells us that we will go to be with the LORD at that time. Then after the millennium (1,000 yrs.), He will return to earth from the Heavenly abode and this is the 2nd coming of CHRIST. First as a baby, and this time as King of Kings, and Lord of Lords. However, at this second coming He will (according to John) be riding on a white horse with the armies from heaven (all the raised up saints) behind Him. He will step foot on the Mount of Olives at this time, they will be fighting the very “last” battle, the Battle at Armageddon. The “final” battle between the forces of good and the forces of evil.
            Satan will lose forever and be sent to the bottomless pit for eternity with ALL of the demons. All of the sinners and CHRIST haters will be there with them, a place that is totally separated from GOD forever. The false prophet and the antichrist will ALL be down there, and there is NO WAY OUT!
            John tells us the “New” Jerusalem will come “down” out of heaven to this earth. This planet will never cease to be. It’s our “new” home. It will be destroyed by fire (outer layer) but the earth will still exist and be refurbished like the place that GOD wants it to be (like the garden of Eden). And that is our abode for eternity with GOD YAHWEH as the FATHER, and YESHUA JESUS as the son, and the HOLY SPIRIT (that was our comforter).
            These are the things that the LORD has shown me in the past 10 years.
            IT’s only an interesting discussion. We can see there is NO escape route either, no pre-tribulation rapture…but I guess that’s another topic hun?
            It’s an open forum and all are welcome to voice their opinions, but remember that “only” the word of GOD is our standard for the “truth”, and the truth is what will set us free. Shalom or Peace in the home…

          • ShemSilber

            That will be interesting to see where it says that the Master Yahushua will not touch the ground, for my reading of Zechariah 14 says that He will indeed set foot on the Mount of Olives, splitting it in two, with living waters gushing out from there to the east and to the west, and proceed to lead all peoples to keep the Chag Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles) and to be blessed thereby.

            Shalom aleichem, Sister WandaKate.

          • wandakate

            I am currently looking for the passage that I know I read. I did however find one in Revelation 1:7… BEHOLD, HE IS COMING WITH CLOUDS, (continue on with this one).
            I’m looking for the other one….

          • ShemSilber

            There is a more complete answer below this one that Christian News may or may not approve, probably because of a couple of URL’s they want to clear, but here is part of the answer in case they remove it, without those addresses:

            Shalom, Sister WandaKate! I’m wondering if that other place you’re looking for is in Yahudah (Jude), the 14th and 15 verses, where he quotes from Enoch 1:9 (not in the current canon, but valid nonetheless), saying that the Master is coming with tens of thousands of His saints to render judgment on the evil for their deeds. Or 2Thessalonians 2:8, or 2Peter 3:10-12?

            I hope they clear the first post, because those have been helpful URL’s for me, and may also be for you. Shalom.

          • Sharon_at_home

            FYI
            Whenever i see sites on other forums they are written like this: Google dot ca so it’s not linked but can be still be copied by replacing the dot. God bless!

          • ShemSilber

            Thanks for the tip, Sister Sharon. Those two places were e-sword dot com, where there are all sorts of Bible translations, dictionaries and other study helps and your arms to israel global dot com (no spaces) that you might find interesting. It has also been a source of rich help for me, and I like to spread the word about it.

            Shalom.

          • wandakate

            Hello, yes at the second coming He will indeed touch the ground as it says in Zechariah. You must have missed Matt. 24:30-32. Matt. 16:27, Matt. 25:31.

  • Johndoe

    This is a violation of the separation of church and state. Thankfully I don’t live near that school tax district. They will receive flak for this.

    • james blue

      I don’t think it violates that. it’s not putting up plaques with religious tenets on display, the school is not leading the prayer and it’s not being held in a place where others have to even witness it. As long as they do not interrupt classes, students are free to pray. A christian can do so silently, but apparently Muslims need to face Mecca or something. I see this as being no different to allowing head coverings.

      Having said that, why it can’t be done after classes is a mystery to me. Given that there are timezones around the world they are not all praying at the same time as far as I can tell

      • Lexical Cannibal

        Yeah, no, this is much more defensible as an accomodation rather than outright preferential treatment or promotion. Students (not teachers or staff) had a specific religious need, the school accomodated that need without 1) inconveniencing other students or 2) doing so in a way that they would not hypothetically do for another group of students with a similar need. Legally, this is hunky dory.

        As for why it needs to happen during school hours, you’d need to ask an actual Muslim, but I know they can be very time sensitive with stuff like that.

        • Jason Todd

          Factually, you are a hypocrite if you would disallow Christian prayer.

          • james blue

            Where did he say Christian students are not allowed to pray?

          • Lexical Cannibal

            Factually, I don’t support disallowing Christian prayer.

            Legally, the distinction isn’t the source of the prayers, but what the schools do about them. A Christian student is fully allowed to pray in school, read the bible, or even evangelize to others so long as it doesn’t disrupt normal educational proceedings, especially for others. The problem occurs when faculty and administration starts getting in on that, because their very position as employees of the state with authority over children qualifies that as a religious promotion, instead of an accomodation. Such an action would be illegal regardless of the faith at hand. If a group of Christian students wanted a room that they could file into to pray at a particular time, then yeah, they could get that. If a Christian Teacher wanted to lead them in that prayer, then things get legally sticky. This, again, would be true for a teacher of any faith.

          • Jason Todd

            Baloney. You know good and well if it were Christians the FFRF would be on this like white on rice.

          • Worf

            Christian students are allowed to pray in school as long as it’s not disruptive and school employees don’t get involved. I distinctly remember kids in my high school praying individually or as a group in the lunchroom, and nobody was violating any rules or laws.

          • Jason Todd

            Which isn’t happening here, is it?

          • Worf

            Considering this is happening in Texas, I would bet there are plenty of christian students praying there. Which is perfectly fine as long as school employees don’t get involved.

          • Jason Todd

            I seriously doubt it.

            The FFRF has, as a matter of record, gone nova over the use of our national motto, “In God We Trust.”

            If ANY school offered a prayer room for Christian students you’d hear the FFRF’s hissy fit for miles.

          • Worf

            Cite evidence. I would be willing to bet FFRF has never gone after a student’s right to pray.

          • Jason Todd

            Evidence of what?

          • Worf

            Evidence that FFRF has gone after christian students in this same situation. They are constitutional lawyers, so since this is not a constitutional violation, they don’t get involved.

          • Jason Todd

            Do you have evidence a public school provided a prayer room for Christian students?

          • Worf

            From the ACLU:

            “Student Prayers

            1. Students have the right to pray individually or in groups or to discuss their religious views with their peers so long as they are not disruptive. Because the Establishment Clause does not apply to purely private speech, students enjoy the right to read their Bibles or other scriptures, say grace before meals, pray before tests, and discuss religion with other willing student listeners. In the classroom students have the right to pray quietly except when required to be actively engaged in school activities (e.g., students may not decide to pray just as a teacher calls on them). In informal settings, such as the cafeteria or in the halls, students may pray either audibly or silently, subject to the same rules of order as apply to other speech in these locations. However, the right to engage in voluntary prayer does not include, for example, the right to have a captive audience listen or to compel other students to participate. “

          • Jason Todd

            Evasion. Answer my question.

          • Worf

            Evasion? I cited documentation from the ACLU of the right to pray in school. Not to mention, I asked for evidence before you did, and you evaded that by asking me a counter question. You are the one avoiding answering. Cite evidence that the FFRF has gone after legal student led prayer.

          • Jason Todd

            The ACLU is not relevant.

            What is relevant is the fact the school provided a room for Muslims to pray in. Can you name a single public school that has done the same for Christians?

          • Worf

            Schools don’t document these things unless legal issues are brought up. I would bet they do exist, but its not something one can research. You made the claim that christian prayer rooms would be attacked by FFRF. I cited evidence that the law is on the side of legal student prayer REGARDLESS of what religion it is. You clearly don’t have evidence of your statement, so unless you post some, I’m out. Have a good one.

          • Jason Todd

            1) In other words, there are none.

            2) I made the claim because of the FFRF’s known record. Which is why there are none.

            3) You cited the ACLU. Not the FFRF. So it’s irrelevant.

            4) What legal issue brought this particular case into focus?

            5) You’re the guy who said a part of the Oklahoma Constitution is in the US Constitution. You still haven’t been right.

          • Lexical Cannibal

            So I’m the FRFF now? Are you trying to attack me or them? Because we’re definitely separate entities and my personal beliefs (not to mention US law) aren’t beholden to the actions of FRFF. This must be why you were everyone’s least favorite Batman sidekick.

          • Jason Todd

            What are you even talking about?

            I was talking about the hypocrisy of the FFRF.

          • Lexical Cannibal

            It took me a couple days to get back to this, but I wanted to touch on it, just so we’re clear.

            Your first comment to me read “Factually, you are a hypocrite if you would disallow Christian prayer.”

            Operative word ‘you.’ No mention of the FFRF. No context including the FFRF earlier in the chain. How else am I supposed to interpret that? Subsequently, how else am I supposed to interpret your later comments that DO include the FRFF outside of being a conflation between they and I? It’s cool if that’s what you meant all along, although I am now suspicious of that, just give yourself a quick readthrough or something next time.

            Let’s talk about the FFRF’s alleged hypocrisy, though. As I already said, I’m not necessarily a standard bearer for them, but I’ve also got no evidence on hand to back up what you accuse. Can you find a case, pushed by the FFRF, about a comparable issue, that meets all the same constitutional criteria? Because without that, you’re just talking a lot of mess.

          • Jason Todd

            So…you didn’t pay attention to the article?

            The school provided a room for which these Muslim students could pray.

            If a room were offered to Christian students for the purpose of prayer, you’d hear from the FFRF. No doubt about it.

            No one on your side of the sociopolitical spectrum wants to admit this, even though the FFRF has a proven record of ignoring Islam when they do the very same things the FFRF would attack Christians for.

            Again, there’s no argument here. It is a statement of undeniable fact.

            That’s the issue. Is it clear enough?

          • Lexical Cannibal

            So, I gave you the benefit of the doubt. I went back, I reread the article, and found no reference to the FFRF or any similar action for Christian students referenced in the article. Nothing. As it stands, I’ve got no evidence on hand that the FFRF goes after otherwise legal accommodations for Christian students and not Muslim students.

            So what I’m left with is what I already said above; it’s classifiable as a religious accommodation because the faith of Muslim students has some pretty strict rules about when to pray. It is considered an accommodation rather than a promotion or favoritism because 1) It is totally student lead with little to no faculty involvement 2) It is not above and beyond what the school would do for a comparable group of students from a different faith, and 3) It is acting in those students’ best academic interest in a way that neither puts them ahead of other students nor harms the academic success of other students.

            If this weren’t legal, then, yeah, I imagine the FFRF would go after them, just like it went after a Muslim professor at NOVA community college for pushing his beliefs in the classroom in 2014 or the city of Dallas, TX after it hosted a celebration related to Ramadan in 2015, because the FFRF does go after Muslims who push on the establishment clause. Those cases and more are entirely google-able if you just go to your search bar and type in “FFRF sues Muslims” (though I don’t believe these specific cases went to court). Do they catch or pursue all of them? I’d imagine not, but to say that they don’t go after Muslims is a demonstrable falsehood.

            I repeat my challenge; go find a case where the FFRF went after a comparable accommodation for Christian students. Comparable in this case meaning that it 1) is an accommodation specifically for Christian students 2) isn’t because teachers got involved and brought faculty favoritism into the equation and 3) doesn’t clearly favor Christian students in a way that students of another faith could not receive. Find me an example, any example, of this Muslim favoritism. Find me enough examples to demonstrate the systemic blind eye you say they’ve been turning. I’ll wait.

          • Jason Todd

            Your challenge is empty, because public schools haven’t provided a room for Christians. I’ve already pointed that out, as well as why, and you have ignored it.

            The fact is, you wasted time and bandwidth doing exactly what I thought you would: Defend the school and the FFRF’s silence. You are carrying a double standard, fueled by your anti-Christian bigotry.

            You are going to say that’s false, of course, and so here is my challenge to you: Have you ever defended Christian prayer that has been attacked by the FFRF? If so, I want specifics.

          • Lexical Cannibal

            I didn’t say it had to be a room, I said it had to be comparable and then I helpfully defined what comparable meant. I also didn’t “ignore” your “reason” why you can’t find any Christian accommodations (presumably because the schools are so, so scared that a group like the FFRF will sue them), I didn’t specifically address it because it’s tied up in your as-yet unsubstantiated claim.

            The FFRF are silent because this accommodation is legal. LEGAL. And it would be legal for Christians, too. They don’t go after people because they don’t like their religion, they go after people who they think have used their religion to violate the constitution. That is likely why I, no, cannot recall them going after someone I didn’t agree with (though, in fairness, I do not follow them directly); they pick their targets not based on faith, but on legality. This is the core of what I’m asking: can you find a single, legal, accommodation to any group of or singular Christian students that the FFRF went after? Can you find enough to prove it’s systemic?

            Still waiting.

          • Jason Todd

            This isn’t about the students. This has been about the room and the religion. It has never been about anything else.

            As you refuse to be honest and are playing games instead, this conversation is over.

            Blocked.

          • Johndoe

            Lol!

      • James Tarkin

        You answered your own question – it DOES interrupt classes 5 times a day. The students were missing so much class they were at risk of expulsion. This was done as a means to keep them from missing so much instructional time. As an administrator, I understand the thinking here in terms of accommodation, but the better accommodation would have been online classes or part-time online. An after-school student led prayer group? No problem. But that is not what this is. This is during curricular hours and requires them to leave designated class periods. Now, if they could have constructed the class schedule around Islamic prayer time . . . no issues.

        • james blue

          Where you getting your information from? It’s once on a Friday afternoon and it was done so they wouldn’t miss any classes because they wouldn’t have to travel. The article doesn’t mention it being done during classes.

          • Sharon_at_home

            “It’s a Friday afternoon, a little after 2” according to the article.

        • Croquet_Player

          Having since looked it up, (which anyone may with Google) I find that apparently the particular prayers in question are only considered obligatory in certain sects, and they happen around midday. The students are not praying five times a day at school, nor is that what is they needed accommodation for. Only for the midday prayer happened during the hours of the school day.

  • james blue

    I thought we were for the right to pray in school.

  • Lexical Cannibal

    Alternative headline: “Texas High School Shuts Down All Services for Christian Holy Days, Multiple Days of the School Year.”

    • Jason Todd

      Pointless and irrelevant.

  • Robert

    A Muslim prayer room today in a public school will be followed by student lead Muslim prayer over the school speaker system in that school future as the Muslim population grows .

    • Michael C

      Didn’t you just say that eleven hours ago? You realize that your comment from eleven hours ago is still right here, right? It hasn’t gone anywhere.

      • Jason Todd

        So what is your point? Do you have one?

    • wandakate

      It’s set to become the most dominating religion in the world by 2021!!! So you well could be correct with that. But the Islamic goal is to take over the world. Bow to Allah, pray to Mohammed…

  • JustThink

    So where are those CHICKENS from the FFRF now?
    Hello? I don’t hear a thing.
    Turns out they don’t hate religion, just Christians.

    C O W A R D S

    • Ambulance Chaser

      What do you want them to do?

      • wandakate

        Be better IF they would “mind their own business”, and keep it in their own state. Who do they think they are anyway? They are NOT the law, they are NOT the government, they are NOT a church and they certainly are NOT Almighty GOD, therefore who gave these people the authority to butt in and tell other churches, organizations, schools etc. what they can and can’t do?????
        If the White House, the POTUS and the SCOTUS, tell people, that’s maybe one thing, but these people FFRF, who are they????? What rights do they have? Each Governor runs their own state and each Mayor runs their own city. No wonder we’re so divided, b/c of people who divide us instead of trying to obtain peace!

        • Ambulance Chaser

          They have the freedom to speak, which they use to cite the law. You’re perfectly allowed to do that too if you want.

        • Jason Todd

          The mission of the FFRF is the removal of God from the public square, especially Christianity. I know it, they know it, people with more than two functioning brain cells know it. It’s why you have heard and never will hear anything from the FFRF about this.

    • james blue

      Perhaps the reason you don’t hear them is because you have your fingers in your ears and are loudly shouting “I’m not listening” over and over to make sure you drown out anything they might say.

      This site doesn’t allow links so I cannot point you directly, but if you google or use the search engine of your own choice “FFRF Islam” you will be given access to many examples of them going after Islam in schools and government. There’s also examples where they directly challenge the “religion of peace” meme.

      To see and hear you only have to look and listen.

      That said the school isn’t leading prayer and it isn’t forcing other students to hear it, so why would you think FFRF would care?

    • Croquet_Player

      The people at the FFRF are exactly where they always are, working on stopping actual constitutional violations. If you know of any, I strongly encourage you to contact them.

    • Grace Kim Kwon

      Yes, unbelieving Westerners target only the Christians. That habit must get halted to honor justice. The Muslims reveal the Western liberals’ evil double standard – something the world can be thankful about.

  • InTheChurch

    That is fine. they can have their prayers. When the Christians have their bible studies or pray for their lunch, no issues from anyone. Fair is fair. The satanist can meet in the science lab and sacrifice a few chickens, it all good.

    • james blue

      Students are free to pray in schools, what are you talking about?

      • InTheChurch

        that is my point, free to pray as you wish

        • Chris

          Yep. As long as it isn’t being led by a teacher I say go for it.

          • InTheChurch

            I can go for that too

    • James Tarkin

      This is not during lunch. These students are leaving class to attend prayers.

      • Croquet_Player

        Are they? The article isn’t clear on that point.

        • Sharon_at_home

          “It’s a Friday afternoon, a little after 2” is what the article says.

      • InTheChurch

        so now we want to get technical? and this is where the problem starts.

        • wandakate

          Is there a “fine line” between technical and the “TRUTH”?

          • InTheChurch

            There might be. depends on how you see it.

    • Socialismo

      Satanists don’t do animal sacrifice. That’s Santaria. Not the same

      • InTheChurch

        You must not know the Bible very well. You use verse to twist the truth. That is fine. Continue but know that you are wrong. You need to do an in-depth study on the Covenants of God.

        • Breitbarf

          He knows it well enough to quote it accurately. “Believers” always twist it themselves to suit their preaching.

    • Ambulance Chaser

      Okay, I’ll be the Debbie Downer at this party. The sacrificing chickens part might run afoul of animal cruelty laws. At least, I hope they do.

      Yes, I know, Church of Lukumi Babalu Aye v. City of Hialeah, but that was about a law passed specifically to bash Santeria, not to protect animals.

      • InTheChurch

        AC, I hope so to. But, I’m sure you get my point.

  • Lucius

    Are Orthodox Christians given the same privilege for midday prayers?

    • Croquet_Player

      Students, of any faith, may pray in school. If their religious obligations are time-sensitive, the school may accommodate them. Although since most students get the longest break of the school day around noon anyway, one would imagine they’ve been doing whatever praying they like all along. If you know of any cases where students of any faith are being denied a reasonable opportunity to pray during the school day, I encourage you to contact the ACLU.

      • Lucius

        I suspect the ACLU would fiercely challenge any special accommodations made by school administrators , such as the provision of classrooms, etc., so that Christians could gather and pray during the actual school day, as appears to be the case in the article with Muslim students.

        • Jason Todd

          Maybe not the ACLU, but the Freedom From Religion Foundation certainly would.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            And your evidence for this is…?

        • Croquet_Player

          Why don’t you alleviate (or confirm) your suspicions, and contact them? Or you could just continue to prejudge them based on your “suspicions”.

      • Sharon_at_home

        Seems to me I remember a bible studies that was outside the school in a park next door but because it “excluded” other students, it was not acceptable. They did everything legally – a permit for the park etc. – but the complainer complained because it was in a public park. It was also at lunch hour and it was voluntary. This was a very well thought out event and it had happened for several years with no problems. But it was Christians not Muslims and it was not praying it was reading aloud together.
        Muslims should not have a religious privilege in a school if Christians can’t. Apparently no one should ever be privileged in any way shape or form. Oh, except the minorities.

        • Ambulance Chaser

          Maybe if you actually had the facts of the case available to share with us…

          • Sharon_at_home

            There was nothing about that in the article and it was about it being a Christian event that had it shut down according to the article.

        • Croquet_Player

          The case you are referring to was in Wisconsin. There were several problems with the event. From the principal’s letter to parents:

          “We are in no way interested in opposing religious practice in otherwise legal circumstances. Below are three of the policies being ignored:

          Anyone providing food for students must follow the district’s food handling standards found in the district Food Safety Plan. Food of any kind that is served to students must be approved by the school/district to ensure food safety, cleanliness, and health. In addition, many students are subject to food allergies, so additional protocols must be followed to safeguard students with these conditions. A parent group bringing large quantities of food to a school also raises significant questions regarding whether it is, in fact, an adult organized event that has not followed Administrative Policy 371.

          Adult visitors to school/school campus must follow Administrative Policy 860 Visitors to the Schools, which requires registering in the school office, or the greeter’s station. This is a requirement of all visitors to our schools/school campus during school hours, whether or not they are parents.

          If students are interested in organizing student led activities, MHS staff are happy to work with them and will convey the district and school policies that govern activities. This, however, appears to be an event initiated by adults without approval by the school.”

          So no, this had nothing to do with Christians v. Muslims, but the fact that it was an adult-led event, handing out free food to students, and without registering as visitors to campus first. (The park was next to the school, and counted as “school grounds” during the school day.) And this had nothing to do with “minorities” either, which was a very strange thing for you to say, and raises questions about your motivations.

    • RWH

      Yes, Orthodox Christians are given the same privilege. Students going to the local Russian Orthodox church took January 7th off to celebrate Christmas. They also took off the first Monday of Great Lent and on Good Friday, which often came either a week or five weeks after western Holy Week. Students of all faiths could also meet in classrooms for Bible study and prayer. The school district I went to back in the 1950s and 60s had a very large Jewish population. Because it was so large, we had two of the Jewish high holy days off in September. If I could get the spelling right, I would list them here. If there is a significant population of students of any faith, it makes perfect sense for a school to accommodate them.

  • Fran Dunham

    Christian students are forced to meet before or after school. They are not allowed by law to hold anything during school hours. That being the case, no one else should be able to either!

    • Croquet_Player

      That simply isn’t true. If you know of any students this is happening to at a public school, I urge you to call the ACLU to assist you.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        You should become a Christian to be truly free. John chapter 8.

      • Sharon_at_home

        I mentioned one already: the voluntary bible lunch beside the school. because they read scriptures and traumatized the kids that ‘couldn’t’ be included so they made them stop.

        • Croquet_Player

          As you’ll see in my earlier comment, it had nothing to do with kids being “traumatized”. It’s that is was an adult-led event, handing out unsupervised food, and adults did not check in with the school to register as campus visitors.

  • ARavingNutCase

    So if another religion wants to have a student led religious service during the school day, the school administrator would allow it and provide space? The article implies the principal “led” the effort to establish the prayer time, not students. Also it sounded like the activity was conducted during school educational time. Wonder if that is so? Not a well written article.

    • Jason Todd

      It is so.

  • Randolph Reynoldson

    If this is ok then praying on the ball field after class hours should be OK.

    • Croquet_Player

      If students want to pray on the ball field after class, that is, and always has been, perfectly fine. It simply can’t be organized/led by a teacher, coach or other adult school employee.

  • Jeff Spradling

    I wonder what’s next. Are they going to start serving halal meat in the cafeteria? Some Hindu tribes are cannibals. If they start multiplying like rabbits and migrating here are the schools going to cater (pun intended) to them too?

    • Ambulance Chaser

      “Are they going to start serving halal meat in the cafeteria?”

      Possibly. So what if they did?

      “Some Hindu tribes are cannibals. If they start multiplying like rabbits and migrating here are the schools going to cater (pun intended) to them too?”

      No because eating human meat is illegal for everyone.

      • wandakate

        Well it has been but this is 2017 and the times they are a changing as they say. Who knows what the future will hold, some strange things I’m sure. Muslims are already multiplying like rabbits so they can reach their goal of “taking over” with Islam and their GOD.

        • Socialismo

          Maybe so. The answer is not religion vs. religion. Here’s the fix. WAKE UP all your “gods” are fiction! They are intended to control you. Think about it. Why does “god” only “reveal” his word to some half-wit genocidal goat herder? Huh? It’s a SCAM and it’s working on you.

    • RWH

      Back when I went to school in the 1950s, we had a significant Orthodox Jewish population, and the cafeteria had kosher choices. People could take these choices or leave them. Today cafeterias offer vegetarian and healthy choices. So, what’s wrong with serving halal? Nobody is forced to eat this stuff if they prefer pizza and other garbage foods.

  • C_Alan_Nault

    Pray often

  • C_Alan_Nault

    Pray often…..

  • rhon64

    No to this! Me & my friend couldn’t take our bibles to school but this is allowed?

  • ShemSilber

    Praises to the Almighty Yahuwah of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob for such assurance as we have in Isaiah 27:13 that some from Islam, who were ready to perish in Assyria and Egypt, will hear and answer the shofar’s call and turn to the Master Yahushua (Lord Jesus) to become naturalized Israelites through Him, as we are through the Master Yahushua (Galatians 3:29), omein!

    Soon, after the return of Yahushua to reign from Jerusalem, ISRAEL, there will be no more such a thing as any Muslim bowing like that toward Mecca while turning the buttocks toward the Temple Mount. They will be turned around a full 180 degrees! HalleluYAH and omein!