Homosexual Professor Suggests ‘Fixed Term Marriage’ Preferable to Lifelong Commitment

(Christian Institute) Traditional marriage vows would be better replaced by a fixed-term contract, an author and academic has claimed.

Jeanette Winterson entered a same-sex “marriage” in 2015, despite previously being “unsure about gay marriage.”

Writing in The Guardian, Professor Winterson claimed that a lifelong commitment is “too long for most of us” and “that needs to be recognized.”

Campaign group Coalition for Marriage said it had always warned that “once marriage was redefined for same-sex couples, there would be further redefinitions down the line.”

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  • Oh dear. Them there “marriages” are not the same as these here marriages. Something seems to be wrong. Whatever could it be?

    • Jenny Ondioline

      What is the hetero divorce rate, David?

      • You are insinuating that there is such a thing as “hetero divorce” presumably to match your fiction of “hetero marriage”. What is the gnomeric sun spot rate, Jenny?

        • Jenny Ondioline

          Yes David, heterosexuals get married. They also get divorced. Why are you calling hetero marriage a fiction? My parents were married, weren’t yours?
          Do you know the current heterosexual divorce rates?

          • Instead of saying something interesting, you are perverting perfectly good words. Maybe you don’t see it that way, and you find perversion interesting.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Why don’t you try sticking to the topic. If you’re going to mock “perverts” why don’t you get your own house in order first. Are you proud of the heterosexual divorce rate?

          • You’re clearly not paying attention. Let’s go back to my question: Them there “marriages” are not the same as these here marriages. Something seems to be wrong. Whatever could it be? What do you think it is? Is it that such “marriages” answer a question with a question? Is it that insufficient regard is given to the chosen language of perverts? What is wrong?

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Too bad that society doesn’t have the same view of them as you do. They’re human beings, not PERVERTS or whatever hateful name you want to give them. They get married like everyone else now. And since straight marriage has such a wonderful success ratio, are you really in a position to be pointing fingers?

          • There’s no such thing as “straight marriage”.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            There is if you want to distinguish it from same-sex marriage.

          • There is no such thing as same-sex marriage. These concepts you refer to do not exist.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Well, I wonder why I am speaking to someone who ignores Supreme Court rulings and reality, then.

          • I’m ignoring the supreme court. You’re ignoring reality.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            So you don’t like the rulings of government and instead think they are better left to religion. You should consider moving to Iran.

          • What’s wrong with the religion of humanism?

          • Jenny Ondioline

            None of you seem to be able to agree on what it is, for one thing. And you kill each other over it.

          • Chris

            Airhead, if the SCOTUS rules that 2 + 2 = 5,
            it still doesn’t.

            Btw, the SCOTUS at one time ruled that slaves were property.
            Only a total fool with zero compassion would regard the SCOTUS as being always right.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Speaking of zero compassion, why are you so against giving equal rights to homosexuals?

          • Sharon_at_home

            Speaking of zero respect why are you so against letting Christians live their own lives like the majority of Christians let the homosexuals live theirs.
            Why don’t you go to a comment board that loves homosexuals and hates Christians that have a faith in God. I’d be surprised if there weren’t many of them. Why come here and lead our discussions to be arguments with your non-Christian beliefs.
            We have our reasons based on our faith. That’s all we need to make decisions about it.
            One of the posters said “It is marriage whether you like it or not.” and it’s well known that we don’t agree with it. So why come here and argue about it?
            There is a good chance that homosexual marriage will grow to have the same divorce rate. Give it a few hundred years – that is what it took for people to start divorcing in the numbers that are showing.
            It’s also because the younger generation figures why not marry? if it doesn’t work, I can always get a divorce. They don’t go into marriage with the same commitment in their minds – they go into marriage with the idea that it can be fixed (by divorce) if it doesn’t work. When they do prenuptial agreements it’s like they admit that they don’t expect the marriage to work.
            You can’t compare divorce rates of heterosexuals and homosexuals because the homosexual marriage are far too new in comparison.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Christians are free to have their own feelings and opinions about homosexuality. Once again you’re jumping into a conversation I’m having with someone else and misrepresenting what I’ve said. “Chris” is saying that the SCOTUS is often wrong and can make a ruling that is still wrong. What “Chris” doesn’t realize is that whether or not he likes the ruling, it is firm and in place and same-sex couples can now get married. The people I have been speaking to here are the ones who are saying the marriages are false. Well, no, they’re demonstrably not. If your religion doesn’t like it, that’s too bad, but the law is the law.

            “Why don’t you go to a comment board that loves homosexuals and hates Christians” – there you go again, saying that to be one you must be opposed to the other. I never said I was anti-Christian. I point out that it sets a poor example of Christianity to be intolerant in this way. In a way which Christ never was. Your attitude does not match that of the Christians I know.

            “You can’t compare divorce rates of heterosexuals and homosexuals because the homosexual marriage are far too new in comparison” – that’s true, but the bar has been set quite low for heterosexuals since the divorce rate is so high. As I pointed out to someone else, too, Jesus said a lot about divorce – none of it good – but never said a single thing about homosexuality.

  • Chris

    This is an old idea. The Romans had a fixed term for some of their marriages. If you wanted to stay married then merely renew the agreement. If you didn’t want the marriage to continue then you let it lapse. No fuss, no mess.

    Such an arrangement, it could be argued, would encourage both parties to treat each other a wee bit better or their partner would let the marriage lapse. On the counter side is the idea that a man may let his marriage to his wife lapse because he fancies a younger woman.

    • David MacKenzie

      I’m sure lawyers will be pleased with the new revenue stream. And since when have we looked to pagan Rome for Christian ethics?

      • Sven

        The Romans were on a higher ethical plane that America, since they did not allow homosexuals to marry.

        • Grace Kim Kwon

          Yes, Post-christian is far worse than Pre-christian.

        • Kyler Phoenix

          Your sources and education?

          • Sven

            Do play with your video games, little girl.

          • Kyler Phoenix

            So nothing huh? Oh, and I am not sexist so referring to me in the feminine is not an insult. Why do you think it is?

          • Chris

            Actually the Romans did have same sex marriages.

          • Kyler Phoenix

            Yes, history is much more complex than most bigots understand.

          • Chris

            I agree.

      • Chris

        Since a marriage would automatically lapse why would lawyers need to get involved? And since when did marriage have to reflect Christian ethics? Does everyone’s marriage have to reflect such ethics? Even the marriage of atheists, Buddhists, etc?

        • David MacKenzie

          Marriage needn’t involve lawyers when it is life-long either. And yet…

          • Chris

            I was raised by a wonderful mother who believed in life-long marriage. Believe me I wish she HAD divorced dad. It would have been far better for my Mum and her family.

          • David MacKenzie

            To make your particular experience the rule, instead of the exception, does the institution of marriage no long term good. My parents had a wonderful marriage— life-long and lawyer-less. But what of it? The real question continues to be: what does Jesus Christ ask of all of us?

          • Chris

            “To make your particular experience the rule, instead of the exception,
            does the institution of marriage no long term good.”

            I wouldn’t dream of doing so. I was merely supporting my contention that even marriages where both partners believe in a life-long commitment are not necessarily good marriages.

            “My parents had a
            wonderful marriage— life-long and lawyer-less.”

            I am happy for you. But considering that half marriages fail in the US, many from infidelity or violence, then it would seem there are a fair proportion who are better off out of said marriage.

            “But what of it? The real
            question continues to be: what does Jesus Christ ask of all of us?”

            Really? That’s the question that every atheist, or Buddhist, or Muslim, or Zoroastrian should be asking? I beg to differ.

          • David MacKenzie

            It’s not that they ARE asking; it’s that they should be. This page isn’t dedicated to religious relativism, and neither am I.

          • Chris

            You are certainly welcome to your opinion, but I’ll keep mine if you don’t mind.

          • Sven

            Typical. Most gays hate their fathers. The familiar psychological profile. The son who hates his dad identifies with his mother, so mentally he is more female than male. Even Freud understood it.

          • Chris

            Typical most bigots make assumptions about others and think in stereotypes. Listen up. I’m NOT a HOMOSEXUAL> However research suggests that those who seem to hate homosexuals the most are themselves gay. Guess what, you’re just a closeted gay. Don’t worry. Just accept yourself and move on.

          • Chris

            Oh and another little point. I don’t hate my father. Oh I did mind you. But I forgave him a long time ago. A pity you can’t forgive yourself now isn’t it?

          • Kyler Phoenix

            Why lie? Sources?

          • CrissCross

            Except that aspect of Freuds work has been refuted, rebuked and well and truly superceded.

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Why don’t you answer the question instead of changing the subject?

  • Sven

    Hey, gays: You’re admitting that you are incapable of commitment (we knew that already), so since you’re obviously not mature enough for marriage, why do you keep saying you are equal to normal adults? You wanted weddings, you just don’t want the commitment that marriage entails.

    • james blue

      Should heterosexual divorcees be allowed to remarry?

      • Amos Moses

        depends on the reason for the divorce ……… if we read the bible ……..

    • InTheChurch

      Wow, not one person here fighting you on this. Amazing!
      Great post.

      • Chris

        You think a post that deals in stereotypes is ‘great’?

        • InTheChurch

          Chris, what stereptype? The post was about commitment. If commitment is not the end result, then why marry? why fight for gay marriage? why go through it all to just not be 100% committed?
          I was referring to that. No one is arguing the commitment part of the post. Everyone wants the privilege of marriage but not the commitment.
          Yes, there are some gay couples that will outlast some hetero couples.

          • Chris

            First Sven compares male homosexuals to ‘normal’ adults as though the two are totally separate and distinct.

            Second he writes “You’re admitting that you are incapable of commitment (we knew that already)…”

            Really? Every single gay male is incapable of commitment? Including a gay couple I know who’ve been together thirty years? Isn’t that commitment?

            Third he writes “…so since you’re obviously not mature enough for marriage,…”

            So the ONLY reason someone would refrain from marriage is immaturity? What about non-interest? What about devotion to their career? What about disbelief in the concept of marriage? That’s just a few reasons off the top of my head. But to Sven every single homosexual male who refrains from marriage has exactly the same reason for it – immaturity.

            And you don’t think these statements are stereotypes?

          • InTheChurch

            Can we agree to disagree? I don’t think those are stereotypes. I think he is insulting and blasting the gay community. He is putting them down by saying they are immature and lack commitment.
            I know a gay couple have been together for years. They both have PhDs and they are very smart and mature. And I’m sure you know many gays that are educated and in a relationship.

          • Chris

            “Can we agree to disagree? I don’t think those are stereotypes.”

            Stereotype may be defined as “something conforming to a fixed or general pattern; especially : a standardized mental picture that is held in common by members of a
            group and that represents an oversimplified opinion, prejudiced
            attitude, or uncritical judgment.”

            “I think he is insulting and blasting the gay community.”

            Saying they are all like X which is a stereotype.

            “He is putting them down by saying they are immature and lack commitment.”

            Exactly.

            “I know a gay couple have been together for years. They both have PhDs and they are very smart and mature. And I’m sure you know many gays that are educated and
            in a relationship.”

            Thank you for offering a counter to his assertion.

      • Ambulance Chaser

        Really? I see several.

        • InTheChurch

          about the commitment or about something else?

    • Kyler Phoenix

      Your sources? How did you arrive at your assertion?

      • Sven

        Sorry. I don’t dialogue with peroxiders.

        • Kyler Phoenix

          You just did. You lack self control and are poorly educated. How is that working out foor you in life?

      • Cletus

        Kyler, does your mother know your playing on the computer? Seriously dude, troll elsewhere….

        • Kyler Phoenix

          How is asking for sources trolling?

    • Jenny Ondioline

      With the heterosexual divorce rate being as shameful as it is, do you really want to be asking this question?

    • Ambulance Chaser

      “One professor says” =/= ” the opinion of the gay community.”

  • james blue

    “Traditions” marriage is not and will not be redefined or changed one bit by gay marriage, so can we please stop raising this red herring?

    As for fixed term marriage contracts when there is zero divorce in traditional marriage we can judge.

    • Amos Moses

      “”Traditions” marriage is not and will not be redefined or changed one bit by gay marriage, so can we please stop raising this red herring?”

      YEAH …. why cant we just accept this LIE …………… because lying and accepting LIES is what christianity is about ………

      • Ambulance Chaser

        Okay, if it’s a lie–excuse me–a LIE, then please, tell us how traditional marriage is changed in any way by same-sex marriage being legal?

        • Amos Moses

          ummmm …. oh gee …. when your child lies to you ….. it changes everything ….. BECAUSE THEY ARE LYING TO YOU ……….. ummmmm ….. DUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUH!

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Not only does that not answer my question, it has nothing to DO with my question.

        • Amos Moses

          “Okay, if it’s a lie–excuse me–a LIE, then please, tell us how traditional marriage is changed in any way by same-sex marriage being legal?”

          Okay, if it’s a bank robbery–excuse me–a BANK ROBBERY, then please, tell us how your banking is changed in any way by bank robbery being legal?

          Okay, if it’s a murder–excuse me–a MURDER, then please, tell us how killing anybody is changed in any way by murder being legal?

          Okay, if it’s a beating–excuse me–a BEATING, then please, tell us how assault is changed in any way by police brutality being legal?

          are you really that obtuse …………

          • Ambulance Chaser

            So you’re not going to answer my question then. Got it.

            Then I guess I have no choice but to continue to assume that gay marriage being legal impacts your marriage not at all.

          • Amos Moses

            ok … so you are a supposed attorney ….. and you have a court case …. and everybody in the case is LYING …… HOW does that affect your life and anything you do …… NO …. YOU are the one without answers ………… DA ……….

          • Ambulance Chaser

            Yes, I’m an attorney. Which is why, if this were a trial, I would request that the judge direct the witness to answer the question.

            So, for the third time, how does same-sex marriage being a legal affect anyone else’s marriage?

          • Amos Moses

            how does anyone lying in your case affect ANYONE in the case ….. same circumstances ….. ANSWER THE QUESTION ….. what if it is the judge who is a liar ….. what if it is your own client …… how DOES IT AFFECT ANYONE ….. answer your own question ……. YOU CANT ….. You have NONE ……….. because you are just as big a liar ….. and you accept the lie ………

          • Ambulance Chaser

            You’re right, I can’t.

            Because I can’t make a bit of sense out of what you just said.

          • Amos Moses

            you choose not too …. because you have no answers ………

          • Amos Moses

            it is a lie ….. lies harm everyone ….. just as if you had a case in court and someone lies ….. ALL ARE HARMED ….. and you are AFRAID to give that answer as you know it destroys your pretended argument and logic ….. of which you have none ………..

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Are these supposed to be comparison examples? On what planet? Giving someone else equality doesn’t take your equality away. It’s not pie.

          • Amos Moses

            a lie is NOT equality ….. trading a lie for the truth is what they have done …… they damage themselves …… they damage others by their lies …… they demand that everyone accept their lies ….. and you are here to do that exact samething …… to force others to accept the lies they tell ………..

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Stamping your feet and calling it a lie after it’s legalized and taking place on a widespread level shows nothing but your own denial. You’re welcome to present something other than strong opinions but I have never honestly seen you do such a thing.

          • Amos Moses

            “Stamping your feet and calling it a lie after it’s legalized and taking place on a widespread level ”

            still does not make a lie the truth ………….

          • Jenny Ondioline

            It’s legal and it occurs, making it about as truthful as anything out there.

          • Amos Moses

            nope ….. and your insistence that the christian world accept that lie ……. speaks to the truth ….. THAT IT IS NOT ……. as you expend an inordinate amount of time here trying to convince us that it is not ……

            you protest too much …… and it defeats your lie ………

          • Jenny Ondioline

            You can get married to a same-sex partner now legally. Your disapproval is nothing but opinion. I would say you lose this one.

          • Amos Moses

            “Your disapproval is nothing but opinion”

            as is yours …… NOTHING but YOUR opinion that it is a marriage ……. i would say you are a loser ………..

          • Jenny Ondioline

            It seems to bother you that homosexuals can live lives completely opposing every view and value you hold and yet can do it perfectly legally as well as completely happy. Your intolerance does not seem to make the slightest bit of difference. Maybe you could learn something from that.

          • Amos Moses

            see ….. right there is the problem ….. you think it is about me … and it is not ……. it is about their salvation ….. and they are not happy where they are ….. and the intolerant one is you ….

          • CrissCross

            Their “salvation” is theirs to seek, it is not yours to impose.
            A man must walk his own path.
            If a man finds himself walking any path other than that which he cleared for himself, then he is lost.

            Who are you to tacitly judge & condemn their current path as not headed toward salvation?
            Who are you to decree that their chosen path forward will not bring their salvation?
            Who are you to judge them?
            Who are you to decree that the only path to “salvation” is the drudgery path you and a billion other christians are stuck in a traffic jam on?

            I thought you “Christians” believed God works in mysterious ways?
            How are you so absolutely certain that their paths are not following some mysterious way of your God?

          • Amos Moses

            “Their “salvation” is theirs to seek, it is not yours to impose.”

            nope …. wrong ……… it is Christs to impose ……… it has nothing to do with their seeking ……..

            “Who are you to tacitly judge & condemn their current path as not headed toward salvation? (1 Corinthians 6:-3)
            Who are you to decree that their chosen path forward will not bring their salvation? (Christ has already done that-i just agree)
            Who are you to judge them? (what “them”)
            Who are you to decree that the only path to “salvation” is the drudgery path you and a billion other christians are stuck in a traffic jam on?” (Christ has already done that-i just agree)

          • CrissCross

            According to your fascist philosophy, maybe.
            But imposing your shit on those you exclude results only on it splattering right back at you as it hits the wall you “Christians” built when you excluded them.
            Tear down the wall, eradicate the division, see no difference and then there is no splattering of anything.

          • Amos Moses

            TOS violation …. language …. was nice not knowing you …..

            1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

          • Ken

            Flagged. Gutter language is not nice.

          • Amos Moses

            “Who are you to tacitly judge & condemn their current path as not headed toward salvation?
            Who are you to decree that their chosen path forward will not bring their salvation?
            Who are you to judge them?
            Who are you to decree that the only path to “salvation” is the drudgery path you and a billion other christians are stuck in a traffic jam on?”

            Oh ….. BTW ….
            Who are you to tacitly judge & condemn christians current path?
            Who are you to decree that christians chosen path forward will not bring their salvation?
            Who are you to judge christians?
            Who are you to decree that the only path to “salvation” is the drudgery path you and a billion other NON-christians are stuck in a traffic jam on?

          • CrissCross

            I am no Christian.
            “Judge not lest ye be judged” is NOT part of my spiritual philosophy.
            I am free to judge who I choose.
            You however, proclaiming yourself to be a “Christian” are bound to “Judge not lest ye be judged”.
            Your chosen philosophy applies to you, not to me.

            The path to my salvation, is mine to find, it is not yours to impose.

          • Amos Moses

            “I am free to judge who I choose.
            You however, proclaiming yourself to be a “Christian” are bound to “Judge not lest ye be judged”.”

            first you need to take a reading comprehension course …… then you need to read matthew 7 …… and not just the first sentence …… and then MAYBE you might have something of an intelligent response …

            1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            What you talk about isn’t their salvation, but your BELIEF about how salvation works. And most of the world disagrees with you. You don’t know that they are not happy.

          • Amos Moses

            “And most of the world disagrees with you.”

            and again ….. i do not care what the “world” thinks …….. nor do i care what you think about me …. nor is it intolerant to tell them the gospel … nor is it any of your business what any christian might say to anyone as you do not understand what christianity is ……..

          • Jenny Ondioline

            You should care what the world thinks, because you share space and oxygen with others. You can’t demand others give you your way all the time just because you have a religion.

          • Amos Moses

            No … the world gets oxygen because Christ declared it and the world only gets to share HIS oxygen because HE says so ………. see ….. IT ALL BELONGS TO HIM ……….

          • Jenny Ondioline

            That’s your opinion. It’s not shared by lots of people.

          • Amos Moses

            does not matter if you recognize the truth ….. IT IS STILL THE TRUTH ……..

          • Jenny Ondioline

            That’s just your opinion, Amos. You’re not basing any of these statements on anything except your own feelings.

          • Amos Moses

            “That’s just your opinion, Amos.”

            That’s just your opinion, Jenny O.

            Jenny O’s limit of responses …….

            1. “That’s your opinion” or “Your disapproval is nothing but opinion”
            2. “We do not live in a Christian theocracy.”
            3. “Your intolerance does not seem to make the slightest bit of difference”
            4. “Stamping your feet and calling it a lie after …..”
            5. “Thats your interpretation”

            you are BORING …… you have NOTHING to contribute ….. BORING ………..

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Well, say something that reflects law and not your own strongly held opinions, then.

          • Amos Moses

            BORING ……….

            Jenny O’s limit of responses …….
            1. “That’s your opinion” or “Your disapproval is nothing but opinion”
            2. “We do not live in a Christian theocracy.”
            3. “Your intolerance does not seem to make the slightest bit of difference”
            4. “Stamping your feet and calling it a lie after …..”
            5. “Thats your interpretation”
            you are BORING …… you have NOTHING to contribute ….. BORING ………..

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Maybe then you should stop stating opinions, acting like we live in a Christian theocracy, speaking intolerantly, stamping your feet, and offering only your interpretations rather than facts.

          • Amos Moses

            BORING ……….

            Jenny O’s limit of responses ……. all turkeys ……….
            1. “That’s your opinion” or “Your disapproval is nothing but opinion”
            2. “We do not live in a Christian theocracy.”
            3. “Your intolerance does not seem to make the slightest bit of difference”
            4. “Stamping your feet and calling it a lie after …..”
            5. “Thats your interpretation”
            you are BORING …… you have NOTHING to contribute ….. BORING ………..

          • Amos Moses

            Why … you never do …….. the only reason you quote the law is it is also YOUR STRONGLY HELD OPINION ….. and its BORING …….

            Jenny O’s limit of responses ……. and they are all TURKEYS ….
            1. “That’s your opinion” or “Your disapproval is nothing but opinion”
            2. “We do not live in a Christian theocracy.”
            3. “Your intolerance does not seem to make the slightest bit of difference”
            4. “Stamping your feet and calling it a lie after …..”
            5. “Thats your interpretation”
            you are BORING …… you have NOTHING to contribute ….. BORING ………..

          • Jenny Ondioline

            It’s also true. Say something that warrants a different response if you’re bored. It’s you that keeps saying the same things over and over. You have the opinion that God speaks on your behalf. Unfortunately you have nothing that proves it.

          • Amos Moses

            BORING …………………..

            Jenny O’s limit of responses ……. all turkeys ……….
            1. “That’s your opinion” or “Your disapproval is nothing but opinion”
            2. “We do not live in a Christian theocracy.”
            3. “Your intolerance does not seem to make the slightest bit of difference”
            4. “Stamping your feet and calling it a lie after …..”
            5. “Thats your interpretation”
            you are BORING …… you have NOTHING to contribute ….. BORING ………..

          • Sharon_at_home

            But are we not allowed to disagree? Why do you want us to change our beliefs just because you don’t agree with them? or on the other hand, why would we not want you to change your beliefs when we don’t believe in them. Obviously it works both ways.

            We don’t like seeing people that are living in sin because that’s what our belief is. We generally want to help people to live without sin. Because that is our belief. You say it’s not love or helping, but to our belief it is both.

            Why do we have to accept homosexuality when you are not respecting our right to have personal beliefs?

            Just because you don’t have the same belief, doesn’t mean either of us have to change how we think. It should just mean that an agreement to disagree is necessary.

            Not all Christians make a big deal out of our belief that homosexuality is a sin. The ones that do go beyond what Jesus wanted us to do, in my opinion. Jesus didn’t want us to push our beliefs at the ones who are not interested in them. We are to walk away from those people.

            Christians feel that we need to let sinners know they are sinning and if they will repent that they have the hope of eternal life. It’s not because we are warning them of hell, it’s because we want them to turn away from the sins and accept the love of Jesus. I think turning someone away from a sin is a good thing and you have to allow for the fact that most Christians don’t do what the more aggressive Christians do. If a sinner doesn’t want to turn from their sin, I believe that we should accept that and go on with life.

            Either way we are both allowed to have our beliefs.

            Our reason for our opinions is based on the Bible and are made in faith that our God is a just and righteous God.

            Your belief is that homosexuality is ‘normal’ and everyone should just accept it.

            We aren’t on a Christian comment site to push our ideas on others. it is to discuss our views of our mutually held beliefs. When people without faith begin arguments on these comment boards, they are not usually going to ‘nicely’ ask us to change our beliefs, but rather to forcefully point out things that are against our beliefs. We don’t need you to point them out as we are already aware of the things that go against our beliefs.

            So why do you still insist on a reason when you know that it is a Christian belief? That’s your answer and it is obvious when you are on a Christian site.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Since you came into this conversation partway through, I’ll detail the issues I have with what Amos is saying:

            He is making the statement that homosexuals are not happy. And that they’re not honest when they claim to be happy. He’s speaking on their behalf, which he cannot in all honesty do, and is prescribing a cure for their happiness when he isn’t a doctor. He is also refusing to accept that same sex marriage takes place, and does so legally.

            As you can see, he’s gone so far beyond holding a simple belief and adhering to it that he’s become unreasonable. No one is saying he can’t have those beliefs. Where I, and many others who take issue with his statements, have problems, is when he speaks with the authority of God as though he is God (and those Christians who disagree with him are “false Christians” which is committing a logical fallacy). And when he speaks on behalf of those he does not know, and when he acts as though same-sex marriage is not legitimate when it is fully recognized legally now in the United States.

          • Sharon_at_home

            I read the whole discussion; I did not come in in the middle of the conversation. If you had read the whole of my comment you would understand better. in any case…

            The point I made is that you are on a Christian comment board and are making arguments with anyone that disagrees with homosexuality.

            That means you came here to get into an argument about homosexuals knowing that Christians do not accept them. It was a deliberate decision to come and bug us about your opinions.

            We have the right to not agree with you. You sound like you are pushing him so that he will get frustrated because you won’t listen to what he is trying to say.
            He keeps telling you that homosexuality is a lie because he believes that it is a sin. If a Christian is following the Word of God, he will stand by what God said. It’s not acting like God, it’s standing up for his faith.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            I did read the whole of your comment. I disagree with you. If I were here simply to disagree with all Christians I wouldn’t have time to do anything else with my day. Do you see me getting into arguments with every Christian here? No.

            In the conversation with Amos, the issues are exactly as I laid them out. The issues are with his claiming to know how homosexuals think, and that they are all unhappy. And to claim that same sex marriage doesn’t exist when it clearly and plainly does. If you think I’m making this about anything else (at least in terms of my conversation with Amos) then all I can say is no, I’m not.

            You have a right to disagree, and I’m not interested in taking that right away. But most of the Christians I know take no issue with homosexuality, so it’s dishonest of you to act as though to be a Christian means to be anti-homosexuality.

          • Amos Moses

            “You don’t know that they are not happy.”

            any honest homosexual will admit they are not ….. most are not honest ….

          • Jenny Ondioline

            “most are not honest”

            Opinion. Not fact.

          • Amos Moses

            thats right ….. YOUR opinions are not fact …….

            Jenny O’s limit of responses …….
            1. “That’s your opinion” or “Your disapproval is nothing but opinion”
            2. “We do not live in a Christian theocracy.”
            3. “Your intolerance does not seem to make the slightest bit of difference”
            4. “Stamping your feet and calling it a lie after …..”
            5. “Thats your interpretation”
            you are BORING …… you have NOTHING to contribute ….. BORING ………..

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Never said they were, but you did.

          • Amos Moses

            Jenny O’s limit of responses …….
            1. “That’s your opinion” or “Your disapproval is nothing but opinion”
            2. “We do not live in a Christian theocracy.”
            3. “Your intolerance does not seem to make the slightest bit of difference”
            4. “Stamping your feet and calling it a lie after …..”
            5. “Thats your interpretation”
            you are BORING …… you have NOTHING to contribute ….. BORING ……………..

          • Jenny Ondioline

            Sorry I am boring you. Give me something else to work with so I don’t have to keep repeating the same truths.

          • Amos Moses

            you have nothing to contribute as you cannot step outside your CANNED responses …. BORING ….

            Jenny O’s limit of responses ……. all turkeys ……….
            1. “That’s your opinion” or “Your disapproval is nothing but opinion”
            2. “We do not live in a Christian theocracy.”
            3. “Your intolerance does not seem to make the slightest bit of difference”
            4. “Stamping your feet and calling it a lie after …..”
            5. “Thats your interpretation”
            you are BORING …… you have NOTHING to contribute ….. BORING ………..

          • CrissCross

            For as long as the Christian world continues to reject what is happening in society, the Christian world will not be of that society.
            Why are you intentionally distancing your Christian world from the society it operates within?
            Why do you seek to maintain a division between what you refer to as your “christian world” and the rest of humanity?
            I thought you “Christians” sought unity and harmony in the world?
            Why the division?
            Justify….

          • Amos Moses

            “For as long as the Christian world continues to reject what is happening in society, the Christian world will not be of that society.
            (ummmm …. it NEVER claimed to be part of it …. just in it ….. FAIL)
            Why are you intentionally distancing your Christian world from the society it operates within?
            (It has always been such — Christ stated it )
            Why do you seek to maintain a division between what you refer to as your “christian world” and the rest of humanity?
            (Christ declared that — not me)
            I thought you “Christians” sought unity and harmony in the world?
            (You thought WRONG ….)

            multiple epic FAILURE to even know what christianity is ……..

    • Sharon_at_home

      there is no comparison between homosexual divorce rates and heterosexuals to be made when homosexual divorce is so new. Traditional marriages were around for hundreds of years before the divorce rate is like it is now. When homosexual marriage has been around for hundreds of years is when it can be compared and not before if you are giving a fair review of it.

      • james blue

        Where did I make a comparison?

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Homosexual union is not marriage but a depravity of two people living in sins. The West must never force anyone to endorse or acknowledge or serve the homosexual union as marriage or any genders other than the natural birth gender. Submission to falsehood is sin and a form of slavery.

    • Kyler Phoenix

      It is marriage whether you like it or not.

      • Amos Moses

        has nothing to do with “like” ….. has to do with the truth ….. men do not get to alter the truth and have it be in anyway valid ……….. whether you like that or not ….

        • Kyler Phoenix

          What truth?

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        Truth is objective. Perv Westerners don’t decide what marriage is, no matter how rich or powerful they are; God decides. You must repent of your sin of immorality. Read John chapter 3 to find the Saviour.

        • Kyler Phoenix

          Truth is not objective. I have read every major holy text on Earth. Your god is bad fiction. You seem mentally ill. Good luck.

          • BooBooBaby

            YOU obviously are only here to be an Idiot Troll!
            So go take a Hike…..go play Circle-jerk with your fellow Lunatic Brain-Dead buddies!

          • Kyler Phoenix

            How so? You just trolled, not me.

        • Jenny Ondioline

          Falling in love does not make one a “perv”, Grace.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            You’ve been decieved. Same-sex members are only for friendship, loyalty, brotherhood, and sisterhood and nothing else. You don’t fall in love with kids or kins and therefore not with same-sex members, either. It is as unthinkably disgusting and lawless as feeling appetite for fellow human beings or dog meat. The Western powerfuls are trying to enslave mankind by bending God’s truth and human conscience and ignoring science.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            No, YOU’VE been deceived. If you’re not attracted to people of the same gender, you’re not really in a position to know that they cannot fall in love like everyone else.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Tell that to pedophiles and cannibals. You are wrong. Homosexuality means sex with anything; it’s giving up on being human. The Western culture is violating the human rights by equating the colored people and sexually depraved people and prohibiting morality this century. Endorsement of homosexuality is slavery to sin. You need to repent of the support of depravity.

          • Jenny Ondioline

            I can’t even follow your thought processes. Cannibals? What does that have to do with what we are talking about? Cannibalism isn’t exactly a PROBLEM in the United States…

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Man is supposed to have a desire for only a marriable woman; every sinful lust( over the same-sex members, the kins, kids, animals, robots, etc) is similar to having appetite for fellow humans or the dog-meat. The Church fixed the world’s unspeakable barbarism. You have no idea because the Church always kept you civilized until the last century. It’s the West’s Sodomic barbarism’s turn to get fixed by the Church this century. America is bad to force the world to endorse homosexuality. The nation was created to spread the noble Christian religion, not to become a depraved Sodom. Where there is no Christian morality, everyone is a slave in such a society.

  • balloonknot9

    If people want to delineate between Christian marriages and non-Christian marriages go right ahead. Those who actually believe that their marriage is a religiously sanctified union will live as such. Those who want to have term limits will see the consequences very quickly, and I will state emphatically that women will be the ones to suffer in more ways than one. In fact, let’s just take the “ceremony” out of term marriages, cancel vows, and just show up at the lawyers office to sign a contract that has an expiration date. After all, ceremony and vows are religious terms used for religious occasions. Can people see how twisted, screwed up all this has become when marriage has become altered from it’s original intention.

    • Kyler Phoenix

      What do you think its original intention was?

  • InTheChurch

    Like an expiration date on a gallon of milk.

  • Truthhurts24

    The more society turns away from Christ the more insane it will become

  • Michex

    Homosexuals have been talking liberals into abolishing marriage.
    Liberals are increasingly swallowing that line because liberals will swallow whole just about anything that homosexual men pump out.

  • Cletus

    Yeah, right! Just have the sodomites sign a 48 hour contract, that should solve the problem.

    • CrissCross

      Careful… the divorce rates among “the sodomites” is significantly lower than the divorce rates among your holier than though christian heterosexuals!

  • Louie

    Civil marriage is a mere contract and the writer’s lifestyle is irrelevant.

  • BooBooBaby

    More BS from another Nutty Professor!