Pregnant Teen Prohibited From Walking Christian School Graduation for Violating Code of Conduct

HAGERSTOWN, Md. — A pregnant teenager has been prohibited from walking her graduation ceremony due to a violation of her Christian school’s code of conduct, which requires that students refrain from premarital sex.

Heritage Academy Principal Dave Hobbs says that he doesn’t believe the situation would be a good example for those in attendance and also doesn’t want to cause further issue for the teen.

“To have a girl who’s seven months pregnant walk in a graduation would be easily misunderstood, bringing even more pressure onto Maddi,” he told WHAG-TV in Hagerstown.

When students enroll at the academy, they must sign a pledge agreeing to honor Christ with their daily conduct, which includes abstaining from drugs, alcohol, tobacco and premarital sex. Students are rather encouraged to remain pure until marriage.

“We teach our students about the beauty of marriage and that sex inside of marriage is one of the things that is beautiful about marriage,” Hobbs told the Washington Post.

So when 18-year-old Maddi Runkles, the student council president, discovered in January that she was pregnant, she faced disciplinary action. Her father, who served on the Heritage Academy board, informed officials that his daughter was with child.

According to reports, Runkles was initially told that she would be suspended and would have to finish her senior year of studies at home. However, when her family appealed the decision, officials at the Christian school offered to allow Runkles to attend classes but to forgo walking the graduation ceremony. She will still receive her diploma.

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“When Maddi chose to breach that Bible standard, a discipline plan had to be established,” Hobbs told reporters.

However, Runkles feels that she is being punished unfairly or disproportionately in comparison to other students, who have been allowed to walk their graduation despite violating the code of conduct in other ways. She opines that the school is setting a “horrible example of how pro-life Christians treat [pregnant] girls.”

Her boyfriend, who is older than Runkles, did not attend the academy.

“It’s because I’m pregnant and you can see the results of my mistake,” she told reporters. “There have been kids who have broken the student code and they could have hurt people or even gone to jail, and they only received an in-school suspension and they’re allowed to walk this year.”

Her father quit his position on the school board to protest the decision.

Organizations such as Students for Life have also condemned the school, asserting that keeping Runkles from walking the stage during her graduation harms the pro-life cause because it sends the message that abortion would be better.

“The school has shown students that it would be easier to choose abortion than to choose life,” said Executive Director Kristan Hawkins. “Because she chose to carry her child and courageously made that decision, she’s been punished this entire semester for being pregnant, and that’s just wrong.”

However, in a letter submitted to parents this week, Hobbs explained that Runkles is being disciplined “not because she is pregnant, but because she was immoral. … The best way to love her right now is to hold her accountable for her morality that began this situation.”

“The breach of a standard of abstinence is a grievous choice,” he also told the Washington Post. “Maddi made a grievous choice. We do believe in forgiveness, but forgiveness does not mean there’s no accountability.”

Runkles plans on taking online college courses through Liberty University and will give birth in September.

1 Thessalonians 4: 3-5 reads, “For this is the will of God, even your sanctification, that ye should abstain from fornication. That every one of you should know how to possess his vessel in sanctification and honor—not in the lust of concupiscence, even as the Gentiles which know not God.”

Ephesians 5:3 also instructs, “But fornication, and all uncleanness, or covetousness, let it not be once named among you, as becometh saints.”


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  • Grace Kim Kwon

    I hope the school won’t get attacked by the society for doing what is right. People need to be made shamed and repented of sins instead of boasting them. II Corinthians. That’s the normal world. Former Christendom should not abuse and misuse the precious Christian compassion. Jesus said, “Sin no more.”

    • Peter Leh

      IT is people like “Grace” that make people abort and keep quiet…. all just to walk the stage.

      Thank you “grace”

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        You must stop talking like bullies. I never had abortion and had no such notion for myself or for others, because of my Christian faith. I just wouldn’t have known how seriously abortion is wrong if the good Western Christian people did not educate me through the Word of God. Abortion is murder. You must stop attacking the pro-lifers but concern about the babies set for death. What went wrong with you guys?

  • J J

    She’s learned a valuable lesson: our actions have consequences. No point in having a code of conduct if people are free to disregard it at their convenience.

    • Chris

      Yet others have with no consequences.

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        If so, what are their names? Give their names and infractions.

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    If she gets married to the father of the baby before the graduation, the matter could have been different. Pagans bodily harm this kind of ladies, and secularists hail immoral individuals for immorality’s sake. Both are so wrong. People need Judeo-Christian teachings to be normal and humane on Planet Earth.

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      She doesn’t want to marry him. She’s hiding his identity for all sorts of reasons but it will eventually come out.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        She should marry him because they were intimate; it’s the only right moral thing to do.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          The fact that she doesn’t want to marry him speaks volumes, doesn’t it? She’s not taking any of this seriously.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Today’s youth tends to be immoral on that. A society that gets upset with this Christian school for doing right is the problem. That kind of culture produced the selfish, immoral youth. Sad.

          • Peter Leh

            and what about HIM?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            What about him?

          • Peter Leh

            i mean we are dog pilling to women here what about the man? where is the church holding him accountable?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            He doesn’t go to church.

          • Peter Leh

            SO?

        • Peter Leh

          OMG……………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Don’t use the “OMG” word. No swearing. If a single man and a single woman get intimate willfully, they should get married.

      • Peter Leh

        why should it?

  • ironnat

    Most Christian and private schools have a codes of conduct that both parents and students must agree to. If the school let her walk then the code of conduct would have lost all meaning and would have become a suggested code of conduct.

    • james blue

      The point is that other students broke the code and are still participating.

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Where is your proof that others broke the code other than Maddi’s word? (which has been proven to be unreliable).

        • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

          Jimmy’s an idiot troll.

      • albany le

        My point is that God tells us to forgive all. This school is not showing and Christian forgiveness and cannot claim to be a Christian School.

        • vicnicholls

          Where are the Bible verses stating that one shouldn’t be accountable and responsible for sins’ consequences?

          • albany le

            Of course, we are all accountable for our sins, But, God forgives us and loves us.
            This school should not be judging the girl. This is between herself and her God. A Christian does not and should not judge others. It is not up to this school (Christian or not) to judge her.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You never read what Corinthians said about the issue, did you?

          • vicnicholls

            No, none of them do. I’ve posted a lot of Bible verses, and no one is reading and/or comprehending the Word.

            That alone is scary in “Christians”. I think someone missed the Berean lecture.

    • wandakate

      I agree, and they MUST continue to stress the code of conduct to ALL students, male and female. She would be setting a bad example to walk down the aisle at the graduation ceremony. She knew what the rules were and what GOD expected from her. She disrespected her own body. Even though its challenging to remain pure, it can be done. Not doing so shows the temptations of satan and the lust of the flesh.

    • albany le

      A so-called Christian school that shows no Christian forgiveness is not a CHRISTIAN School and you should shut it down.

      • vicnicholls

        Shouldn’t we also shut down “Christians” that show no interest or hate of the Bible, in faithful exegesis and hermaneutics, where Scripture interprets Scripture?

        Sure make missionary life a lot easier for us Bible obeying people.

    • Chet

      Respectfully disagree, brother. Their code of conduct would still stand regardless of this young lady’s action and a thoughtful biblical based memo could have been penned by the principal. Was there not also a code of conduct for Mary Magdalene and the woman at the well? She lives with her wrong choice and others who have the love of Christ constraining them should know full well she is not in an enviable position and has already endured adequate punishment in her own heart and as well out of the long tongued mouths of others. Now, had she set out to do this thing in a defiant couldn’t care less manner, then, that’s quite another issue…

      • albany le

        Thank you. I appreciate your position and I share in your response.

  • TheBBP

    I fully agree that there has to be some level of punishment, however there also needs to be a level of grace. We’d all spend an eternity in Hell if the Lord gave us what we truly deserved. On top of this, their absolutely hard-line and unforgiving stance with taking away the Graduation that she worked so hard for is going too go far. The result of this could very well be that the next girl who makes a mistake will choose to hide it and choose to secretly abort her baby, or even worse, suicide so that she can avoid a mess like this. How will that be in any way helpful?

    Again, she deserves consequences for breaking the code, but demonizing her and abolishing her from her peers is absolute overkill and will do no good for other hearts who are watching if and when they make a mistake. As adults we are absolutely to teach discipline, but we also must practice grace because if anyone here was honest, we’d certainly be in a bad way if no grace was extended to us.

    There needs to be a better solution.

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      No one demonized her. She’s the one who ran to the press with a dishonest, slanted account of events. She should have been expelled.

      • Peter Leh

        source

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          The NY Times.

          • Peter Leh

            already posted it

            https://www.nytimes. com/2017/05/20/us/teen-pregnancy-religious-values-christian-school.html?_r=0

          • Peter Leh

            so where is the untold story in the NY times?

  • Sisyphus

    So, if she would have kept this all to herself and terminated her pregnancy she could have graduated with her classmates? Interesting and hypocritical paradox.

    • Amos Moses

      no …. she chose to fornicate …. her bad …… and even if she hid it …… even more her bad ……

      • Sisyphus

        My aren’t you the judgmental one. I keep forgetting, you’ve appointed yourself God’s spokesperson.

        • Amos Moses

          nope …. God elected all of the elect …….. we had nothing to do with it …… He selected us, we did not select Him …….. why, are you jealous ….. and who told you it was wrong to judge …… do you walk across the street without looking out for cars ……. sure you do ….. my, my, my, arent you judgmental ………….

          • Sisyphus

            I have faith in the traffic light system to indicate when it is safe to cross a street. My subjective interpretation of the “walk” symbol encourages me to obey since I have been elected to be able to analyze the differing colored lights accurately.

          • Amos Moses

            right …. traffic lights are judgmental for you …….. and of course no one EVER runs a red light …….

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      No. She is not being punished for the baby. She is being disciplined for the breaking of the pledge. There is a whole lot more to the story than what Maddi is letting on about. They should have expelled her.

      • Sisyphus

        Hopefully she will attend a good state university and escape all this religious lunacy, dogma and shaming.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Please. A public school would have forced her to leave for the year and not even graduate. This school is showing her far too much leniency because her father – who helped make the rules – doesn’t want them enforced when it’s his little princess who’s breaking them.

          • RWH

            I do not know of one public school that does this. Maybe the did so in the 50s, but now the girl would be encouraged to return to class as soon as possible. In fact, a significant number of schools have child care facilities.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You should check some recent news stories.

          • Sisyphus

            Title IX, passed in 1972, mandates any highschool receiving federal funds must allow pregnant students to continue in all school and extra curricular programs. Dropping out would be the student’s choice. So you either don’t know what you are talking about, or you are a blatant liar. I suspect a bit of each.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Ironic comment coming from a person who’s had to be corrected here multiple times. 🙂

            First of all, Maddi’s school is a private one. Second of all, pregnant teens get heavily “persuaded” to drop out of public school all the time. You might want to check some recent news stories instead of staying back in the 1970’s.

          • Sisyphus

            “Maddi’s school is a private one” Whether Heritage Academy is private or not, the questions is whether they receive any federal funds. If they do, Title IX still applies (Baylor University ring a bell?). Hopefully she now has more motivation for her to find a good public university and eschew BJU. I hope this experience provides her the strength to reject the indoctrination and superstition her parents and Heritage Academy have shoved on her.
            If you are able to find a few stories about public schools that “persuaded” pregnant students to leave school does not mean that is not a violation of Federal statute. Additionally, data is not the plural of anecdote.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The school is clearly in its legal right. No one (except you) disputes that.

          • Sisyphus

            The school may certainly be legally sound, but not a public school, or any school that receives federal funds. Which is why I would urge Maddi to escape her religious thought control.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Maddi’s pregnant out of wedlock. Doesn’t look like she’s bound by any religious thought.

          • Sisyphus

            Good for her!

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            So you celebrate teen pregnancy? Weird sentiment, man.

          • Sisyphus

            I celebrate eschewing dogma and superstition, and would celebrate supporting rather than marginalizing someone whom has made a mistake.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Strange conclusion when no one has done anything but support Maddi. By your logic (or lack thereof), no one should ever have to face consequences for any actions. That means chaos.

          • Sisyphus

            Please feel free to disingenuously carry your conclusions to the ends you feel necessary to support your position. Obviously, all actions have consequences.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            And Maddi’s have just begun.

  • Trilemma

    Here’s the Bible verse that pertains to this situation.

    “If a man seduces a virgin who is not engaged, and lies with her, he must pay a dowry for her to be his wife. If her father absolutely refuses to give her to him, he shall pay money equal to the dowry for virgins.” – Exodus 22:16-17 NASB

    There’s no condemnation for the girl in this case of premarital sex. The only consequence is that the man pay the girl’s father some money and it’s up to the girl’s father if they should marry. Obviously, Maddi’s father did not demand the dowry or that Maddi get married. In the Bible, the premarital sex was not the problem, it was the loss of virginity.

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      That’s so out of touch with what the Word of God really says. Look up the word “fornication” at Bible Hub. You’ll see how off you really are.

      • Trilemma

        The word “fornicate” or any of its forms appear:
        0 times in the NIV
        0 times in the ESV
        0 times in the NLT
        0 times in the NET
        0 times in the HCSB
        0 times in the HNV

        The latest scholarship is that fornication is not an accurate translation of any Hebrew or Greek word in the Bible. Exodus 22:16-17 does not say the girl committed sexual immorality.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          That’s why I told you to use Bible Hub, which would give you versions that do use it. How could you not understand that?

          • Trilemma

            Older versions use it. Newer versions don’t use it because it would not be an accurate translation of the Hebrew or Greek.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s false. Newer versions have changed it because they want to continue in fornication.

          • Trilemma

            Why should I believe that’s the reason rather than wanting to create an accurate translation?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Because there was no reason to change the early, excellent translations.

          • Trilemma

            The newer versions are based on more research, more knowledge and more manuscripts. That makes the newer versions even more excellent.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Not true. In fact, most of the modern translators are hardly proficient in Hebrew or Greek, and they do not use the original texts.

        • Adagio Cantabile

          “Fornicate” is an English word, you dunce. Of course it doesn’t appear in the original text.

          • Trilemma

            The NIV (New International Version) is not written in the languages of the original texts. It is an English translation of the original texts. The NIV uses thousands of English words but it does not use the English word, “fornicate.”

  • kenster777

    Be not deceived Neither fornicator, Idolaters, nor adulterers,nor effeminate shall inherent the kingdom of God, I Corinthians 6:9-10.
    If a person is more worried about there Graduation then there standing on the Kingdom of God they are not showing true repentance.
    She is going to a christian school and has a 4.0 average she knows the word and knows if she sins there is consequences like King David.
    Accepting the decision of her elders would have shown true repentance.

    • Sisyphus

      “their” & “than” ; do you speak English?

  • RWH

    If the school was really serious about its convictions, they would have expelled the girl, and she would have had to finish the year someplace else. To deprive the girl of her graduation has been a public relations disaster. It makes the school look vindictive, and I think that a lot of parents will be thinking twice before sending their kids to this school or sending their kids back to this school. Even the pro-life community is questioning the school’s ethics in this case.

    What makes this so absurd is that they were playing games by having a pregnant girl take classes. In a small school, everyone know the story, and it looked like she was accepted by everyone. I bet her friends are upset at this. Graduation gowns are so designed that one could have a 400 pound gorilla marching in one of those outfits, and nothing would look amiss. Even if the girl were nine-months pregnant, she would look like everyone else in a gown. This is an event that nobody will ever forget. Since this has gone viral, it is as momentous as the first diploma given to a black student at Central High in Little Rock in the spring of 1958, an event that made headlines and is still remembered.

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      She’s still going to graduate, just not walk the stage. Her friends are upset with her for misrepresenting what really happened. The school has bent over backwards for her, and this is how she repays them. I wouldn’t be surprised if BJU pulls her admission after what she’s done to Heritage.

      • RWH

        You seem to be very sure that her friends support the school. Where is your evidence? Silence in schools like this often demonstrate that students are afraid to talk. I worked at institutions like this back in the late 70s/early 80s. A lot of these places were despotic in their ways of handling things and crushed rebellion with a heavy hand. Today people have learned to fight back, and often they have won. A school I worked for came very near to losing its tax-exempt status. It took a number of years and a lot of lawyer expenses to get off the hook.

        • Redboyds

          Old fool, an argument from silence is no argument at all. “Students are afraid to talk.” That’s your opinion.
          If you were teaching kids, they got cheated, hugely.

          • RWH

            Such bold statements on the basis of no evidence whatsoever. Your type always loses because you think that ad hominum attacks substitute for solid, documented evidence. As an administrator, I learned a long time ago that when dealing with student discipline, decisions are to be kept private and one must be very careful not to libel nor slander. If this girl took the school to court, the lawyers would have a heyday. In places like this, money often talks, and it wouldn’t be hard to see where a school turned a blind eye to situations that were as bad or even worse.

          • Redboyds

            You mean “ad feminem,” you disgusting old perv.

            We know why creeps like you
            become teachers. You sicko.

          • RWH

            The only one here who is disgusting is you. You know nothing about me personally. However, what this conversation shows me is that I am dealing with an individual who has been raised poorly. Somewhere along the line your parents failed you if they let you even think for a second that this type of hooliganism is appropriate.

          • Redboyds

            Go make yourself some herbal tea.

          • RWH

            I’ve witnessed court cases where some smartmouth like you throws his weight around until he gets his clock cleaned by a judge. Your type often never realizes that slander has some serious consequences.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The lawyers wouldn’t have a heyday. Maddi has misrepresented the facts of the case, and the school is a private one well within its rights.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Maddi’s own words.

          • Peter Leh

            please quote maddi’s words?

  • Ed

    There is not a simple/perfect solution to this situation. On the one hand, there is the concept of grace and mercy, but on the other hand there is the matter of accepting the responsibility and the consequences of one’s actions.

    The rules were known and apparently agreed to before the violation. The decision of whether or not and to what degree the rules should be enforced should logically lie with the school administration.

    While, in this particular situation, the administration’s decision was, in my opinion, fair, there is definitely room to argue the benefits of depriving her the opportunity to walk across the stage with her classmates. In either case, I trust that she will survive this with the knowledge that, like the rest of us, she was ultimately the victim of her own poor choice.

  • Becky

    “She opines that the school is setting a “horrible example of how pro-life Christians treat [pregnant] girls.”

    She’s the one setting the horrible example…she committed fornication…what message does she think that is sending to girls?

    • Peter Leh

      Message: If you dont want to be treated like me….. ABORT ABORT

  • james blue

    This is why no private, religious or otherwise, should receive public funds.

    • Sisyphus

      A Title IX violation despite the code of conduct.

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        False.

  • Colin Rafferty

    Now all the other girls in that school know the rules. If you quietly get an abortion, you can attend your own graduation. If you decide to keep the baby, you don’t.

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      An abortion also violates the code of conduct. The sin isn’t getting pregnant. It’s breaking the pledge she signed.

      • Colin Rafferty

        That’s why I said “quietly get an abortion”. The school will never know, and they won’t get in trouble with the school. That’s what all the other girls learned today.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          No they didn’t. They learned not to sleep around, that keeping one’s word is honorable, and that breaking it has consequences.

          • Colin Rafferty

            She didn’t sleep around. She slept with her boyfriend.

            But the other girls learned exactly what to do if they become pregnant. Have an abortion so you don’t get caught.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            So you’re privy to Maddi’s personal sex life details? You might want to go over some of her recent interviews. He wasn’t her boyfriend and she doesn’t want to marry him.

            Your leap to keeping a pledge and having an abortion is illogical and downright hysterical.

          • Colin Rafferty

            It’s not a leap. Pretend for a moment that you are a student at that school and find yourself pregnant. No one knows but you. Seeing what happened, you know what your options are.

            Continue with the pregnancy and get suspended, possibly expelled, and you won’t participate at your own graduation ceremony.

            Get an abortion, and no one knows, and no punishment here on Earth.

            If you want a pregnant teen to keep the child, you have to give her support, not punishment. If they know going in that the school is going to possibly ruin their lives, then they will know the choice the school really wants them to make.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re surmising and falsely so. No one is punishing Maddi for carrying the baby to term. She’s being called to accountability for breaking a contract. The school is the only one who’s setting boundaries here. Maddi and her parents certainly aren’t.

            It’s not a stretch that someone who professes Christ should expect to not kill her baby.

            Maddi is getting plenty of support. What she failed to get plenty of is discipline.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Call it punishment, call it accountability. It doesn’t matter. Every single girl in that school now knows how their life is ruined if they carry a child to term. And they also know that a quiet abortion solves everything.

            And that is a lesson that this school is teaching all the other students. They may think they’re teaching other lessons, but this is one of them.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            It does matter which word you use, because they are 2 very different things. No one, including Maddi, thinks her life is ruined. No one has suggested Maddi get an abortion. The only one who brought it up was Maddi herself.

          • Colin Rafferty

            So if no one mentions the word “abortion”, no one else at the school will know it exists? I’m not talking about Maddi here, but about any other girl at that school who gets pregnant in the future. They know what they need to do, since they won’t get support from the school.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why would you make that leap? The school teaches an anti-abortion stance, so why would you blame them if someone got an abortion? Maddi has been supported, perhaps a little too much, which is why she has such a sense of self-entitlement.

          • Colin Rafferty

            I’ve explained over and over. You will be punished for being pregnant. This is what the school is showing. If you get an abortion, and they don’t find out, and there is no reason that they should, then you won’t get punished. There’s no leap here. Unless you’re an idiot.

          • Parodyx

            I think you have hit on the crux of the matter…

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You haven’t explained anything. You’ve just written the same thing over and over without following a logical sequence.

            Here’s one for you: If Maddi walks the stage, the others in the graduating class who did NOT commit fornication will wonder what the point of keeping a pledge is, since it will have been rendered meaningless. Kudos to the school for holding steadfast.

          • Colin Rafferty

            I think I understand our difficulties. We are both looking at how this affects the other students. But you are talking about what they will think before they have sex. I am talking about what they will think after getting pregnant.

            You are right. Seeing Maddi on stage will definitely make the kids who haven’t had sex think that maybe they can get away with it. And that is a problem. I agree with you there.

            However, what I am thinking about is the kids who do have sex and get pregnant. What are they going to think? If they see Maddi on the stage, they will know that they will be supported for carrying to term. But when they see that she was suspended, almost expelled, and kept from graduation, they will also think about how to hide their pregnancy and not be punished.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The sin is fornication, not pregnancy. A baby isn’t sin.

          • Colin Rafferty

            I never said pregnancy was a sin. It’s clear evidence of a sin, but not a sin.

            And my worry is what the next girl in this school who gets pregnant does. And I would assume it would also be the school’s worry as well.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            A baby isn’t sin.

            Why do you assume a girl from that school will get pregnant? Maddi’s behavior is pretty much turning them off of any rule breaking.

          • Colin Rafferty

            When did I say that a baby was sin? Never. It may be evidence of sin, but it is not sin itself.

            And if you think that there is a high school in this nation where kids don’t have sex, you are deluded. Including that one.

            And people that have sex, especially teenagers who are unlikely to have learned about proper birth control, get pregnant. She is not the last girl in that school to get pregnant. Just the latest.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re making a lot of assumptions. There is no evidence that any girl from that school has gotten pregnant, just that Maddi Runkles has. You’re also assuming that students from that school don’t know about birth control. In this day and age, pretty much every North American student knows about birth control.

          • Colin Rafferty

            You are absolutely correct. I am working under the assumption that teenage girls have sex and get pregnant, even at this high school. And that in the future, unmarried students of this school will get pregnant.

            If you think that’s extremely unlikely, then of course you’re not going to worry about lessons on how the school treats pregnant students, and it’s perfectly reasonable of you.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I’m more concerned about how Christian schools handle fornication. Maddi Runkles got off too easy. However, she cannot escape God’s consequences for her actions. What she is doing to the school and to her principal is far worse than her original sin of fornication.

          • Colin Rafferty

            You mean, by telling the world what the school has done?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            She hasn’t told the world what the school has done, nor has she taken responsibility for her actions. Instead, she slandered fellow classmates and blamed everyone else for the fact that she broke contract.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Please give me a quote where she blames others for her actions. And tell me how she made terrible for the principal. As you claimed she did.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Read the NY Times article, Cosmo article, WaPo article, and Fox News interviews she did.

          • jennifermonti

            colin rafferty is not interested in facts or what the Bible states his past comments demonstrate that fact

          • Parodyx

            It isn’t your place to make that judgment.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Sure it is. The Bible says in Corinthians that Christians are to judge those who profess to be Christians. In the same segment it also says some things about fornicators that Maddi would do well to heed.

          • Parodyx

            That is called the No True Scotsman fallacy. If you’re all calling yourselves Christians and telling everyone else that they’re not true Christians, you’re giving yourselves the power to re-define what a Christian is according to your own prejudices. It’s a logic no-no and makes you look very bigoted.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No it isn’t, plus I didn’t say who was or wasn’t a Christian. I said the Bible tells Christians to judge each other. It also gives specific instructions about fornicators. Look it up.

          • Parodyx

            And just how are you going to judge each other without telling them that they’re wrong and you’re right?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Read the verses in Corinthians and they will tell you.

          • Parodyx

            Not necessary. You can read them yourself. Thanks.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            But I’m not the one who’s ignorant of what they say.

          • Parodyx

            If you are ignorant about its meaning, does that matter so much? 🙂

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You clearly didn’t read Corinthians.

          • Parodyx

            I clearly did, and in fact I have a question for you: have you ever actually READ the Bible? Please answer truthfully.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You clearly did not because you’re not referring to what I’ve cited. 🙂 Of course I’ve read the Bible, cover to cover, many times.

          • Parodyx

            Really, I suspect you haven’t, but instead are relying on “quote mining”, which is to say individual Bible quotes removed from their contextual meanings. This is a common tactic but one I see through pretty easily. Your Bible does not give you free license to apply your own self-righteous judgments against others. That is covered in Corinthians – if you had read the Bible you would know that.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Pull the other finger, Oshtur.

          • Parodyx

            You have me confused with someone else.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            /eyeroll

          • Parodyx

            Worry more about yourself and concentrate less on your own suspicions and insecurities.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Threaten someone else, Oshtur.

          • Parodyx

            There is no threat being made. And you still have me confused with someone else. Bearing false witness is a sin according to your God, remember? It can also get you banned here – baseless accusations and all that. But I assume you know all about being banned here.

          • Peter Leh

            “You clearly did not because you’re not referring to what I’ve cited. 🙂
            Of course I’ve read the Bible, cover to cover, many times.”

            YET many come away with a different interpretations. YET there is only one Holy Spirit that leads us into ALL truth.

            Are you prepared to condemn those who do not see ALL scripture in the same light as you?

            AMOS is……

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The Bible says there is no private interpretation of Scripture.

          • Peter Leh

            But what doe the school say? What are we encouraging?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The school upholds the Bible.

          • Peter Leh

            what so there is only one denomination with the correct interpretation? what are you … catholic?

            Again…… Are you prepared to condemn those who do not see ALL scripture in the same light as you

      • Peter Leh

        what? the sin is not sex outside of marriage? Which bible are you of reading?

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Re-read my posts.

          • Peter Leh

            NAw I can ball park it

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You mean you’re judgmentally making false assumptions? Who’s the Pharisee?

    • Peter Leh

      “Now all the other girls in that school know the rules. If you quietly
      get an abortion, you can attend your own graduation. If you decide to
      keep the baby, you don’t.”

      yep

      because no one in that school or church or here posting has watched porn… been divorced…ever sinned.

      yet THIS girl…..

      this church is no different that the pharisees dragging the harlot to Jesus.

  • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    There is so much more to this story. Maddi should tell the truth. I support the school 100%.

    • Colin Rafferty

      What is the rest of the story? What’s Maddi lying about?

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        So many things. For one, the false claim about uneven punishment.

        • Colin Rafferty

          Really, how was it false? Anything else, or just your assertion that false claims exist?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            It was false because it didn’t happen. By the way, Maddi’s own father was head of the school board and made the rules. Why don’t they apply when his daughter is the rule breaker?

          • Colin Rafferty

            Ok, so your unsubstantiated claim is that this entire story is made up. Which part, where she got pregnant, where she chose to keep the baby, or where she was not allowed to walk at her own graduation?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The unsubstantiated claim is Maddi’s. She says other students committed the same infraction that she did but that they weren’t disciplined. If true, you should be able to pull up their names. Waiting.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Ok, fine. So there is no sex going on at that high school.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Secular culture makes kids live like animals.

          • Peter Leh

            oh for the grace of god go I.. right gracie?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            If people do not cherish chastity, they don’t cherish holiness or honesty or loyalty or honor as well. Apart from chastity, other virtues become meaningless. Keeping oneself pure for marriage has been everything about character.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Maddi misrepresented the situation. She seems to have failed to grasp what personal accountability and responsibility are all about.

      • jennifermonti

        COLIN What are you doing now infiltrating a Christian forum , you could care less what the Bible states your past comments demonstrate that

        • Colin Rafferty

          I you have an issue with what I have actually said, as opposed to your fever dreams of my intentions, please let me know.

          • jennifermonti

            Colin I have read your past comments you are a bad parent end of story

          • Colin Rafferty

            Yeah, whatever. No critique of what I’ve actually said, just insults.

            It’s funny — I just looked at your profile page (which you just made private). You haven’t made one comment in two weeks, and your first comment was to me. I feel honored.

          • jennifermonti

            If you ran a daycare I would never let my child attend . You are poison .

          • Colin Rafferty

            Wow, you really have a bee in your bonnet. May I ask what I’ve done that makes me such a bad parent?

          • jennifermonti

            you could care less about what Christ says you just regurgitate what the world has fed you . You come on here pretending to be a Christian what a phony you are .

          • Colin Rafferty

            I have never once pretended to be Christian, or tried to pass myself off as Christian. Look at my profile page — my comments as all public.

            I have also never disparaged people for being Christian. I have had many people, present company included, who have insulted me strictly because of my lack of religion. But I turn the other cheek.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why are you here?

          • Colin Rafferty

            Because I think that this is an interesting discussion board, and is filled with people who I would like to understand better. I like to expose myself to different ideas, and have had some very constructive conversations with some people here.

            Why are you here?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why are you flagging other people’s posts if you want to expose yourself to different ideas?

          • Colin Rafferty

            The only posts that I ever flag are the ones that are gratuitous insults or streams of curses. That’s not what I’m looking to get exposed to.

            Do you think that people’s posts should just be insults? When I post an analysis of an article, and the entirety of a comment is “u r a fag”, that’s not having a conversation, and it degrades the site.

          • Makivelli37

            Colin,

            My hat goes off to you, sir. I don’t know where you get the patience.

            These comment sections are filled with people that claim to serve the same God, treating anyone that disagrees with them, very poorly.

            They treated you poorly just for showing up.

            You’re civil and polite in all your comments here, trying to have a genuine exchange of ideas and perspectives.

            I’m not sure it’s possible here.

            It makes me sad. I’m sorry.

          • Peter Leh

            “Why are you here?”

            why are you here?

          • jennifermonti

            Revelation 22:15 Outside are the homosexuals, those involved with the occult and with drugs, the sexually immoral, murderers, idol-worshipers, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Which Bible is that from? Not one translation uses “homosexuals”. Most say “dogs”.

          • jennifermonti

            the CJB the complete Jewish Bible

          • Colin Rafferty

            Thank you. I had never heard of that one. I usually use biblehub dot com. I am always willing to learn new things.

          • jennifermonti

            if you think the Bible does not condemn homosexual acts then you are only kidding yourself and practicing falsehood

          • Colin Rafferty

            Oh no, I would never question someone else’s religious beliefs. Given your comments, I’m certain that your religion condemns homosexual acts. I was just asking about that particular text.

            Whenever someone quotes the bible to me, I always look it up so that I can see the single verse in context, so I can understand the full meaning.

          • jennifermonti

            Revelation 22:15 contains a condemnation of homosexuality that is omitted from most modern English translations of the Bible. The NASB, for example, translates this verse as:

            “ Outside are the dogs and the sorcerers and the immoral persons and the murderers and the idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices lying. ”
            But what is falsely (and absurdly) translated as “dogs” actually means, in the original text, male homosexual prostitutes.

            The Complete Jewish Bible properly translates the term as “homosexuals” in Revelation 22:15.[1]

            Other references to “dogs” in English translations are probably likewise mistranslations of an ancient term that referred to homosexuals. Part of the error is attributable to an inadequate explanation of the meaning of the Greek term by James Strong in the 1800s.

          • Colin Rafferty

            Nice, thanks.

    • Peter Leh

      so the CNN is with holding info?

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Maddi is withholding info.

        • Peter Leh

          I would like to see the link? Why is CNN also with holding the info you know?

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            CNN just wants to attack the conservative people. See how it handles President Trump.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            They have only the information Maddi and her permissive parents gave them.

  • MCrow

    Something similar happened to a friend of mine at a Christian university. The difference is, she didn’t complain, but she was forbidden from doing a lot of different activities on the school property. Oh, and she still wasn’t allowed to walk, even after she was raising her son for a year on her own.

    I get that the school has a code of conduct, but don’t Christians believe that only God has the right to condemn? Aren’t people supposed to show mercy?

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Holding fast to a code of conduct is not the same as condemnation.

      • Peter Leh

        if she had an abortion could she still walk?

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          No.

          • Peter Leh

            how would you know? You mean no student who has had an abortion has walked the stage? Boy or girl?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I know because the rules state so, and the school. has proven that they keep the rules. If you are so sure a student from that school has had an abortion, name her. Waiting.

    • GowithGod

      The school didn’t *condemn* her, they held her to her pledge and DISCIPLINED her for breaking it. There are consequences to her actions.

      She failed The Student Pledge. It was required for graduation.

      As for “mercy” they certainly have shown it — she wasn’t expelled, she was permitted to finish her course work that semester, and if she completed the requirements satisfactorily, she would be granted a diploma.

      Instead of gratitude, she’s whining she does’t get to “‘walk.”

      • MCrow

        Let me put this a different way: if a student broke school rules at a secular private school because they were Christian, would you still argue that they were just “holding the person accountable?” Would you be telling them to be merciful and respect that persons beliefs and actions?

        • GowithGod

          Don’t understand your question.

          How about giving an example of what it is your asking.

          • MCrow

            Well, it is illegal and against most school’s rules to proselytize. Yet on these forums, I often see people rushing to defend teachers that proselytize at schools. In the case where teachers are reprimanded, you argue that their beliefs supersede the rules.

          • GowithGod

            NO TEACHERS have been involved in the decision on or disposition of Runkles’ discipline for breaking The Student Pledge that she agreed to and signed as a requirement for her admission to this private Christian academy.

            To what “illegal prostelytizing” are you referring?

          • MCrow

            I realize I shifted from student to teacher, but ultimately, we’re talking about consequences of actions for breaking rules. Why should a Christian school be allowed to enforce their code of conduct but a secular school doing the same is persecuting Christians?

          • GowithGod

            I still don’t understand your question.

            The Student Pledge required by the Heritage Academy is not a “conduct code.”

            That said, what “code of conduct” do you perceive private secular schools would implement that would be legally identified as “persecuting Christians?”

  • Robert

    I wonder if a rapist would be allowed to graduate ? How about a murderer? What do. You have to do to get kicked out I wonder ? And is it written in there code of ethics ?

    • Chris

      How is having sex equivalent to rape or murder? The latter two illegal acts very much against the wishes of their victim while the former is very much a legal and consensual action.

      • Amos Moses

        all of them would have violated the rules of the school …… WHICH SHE CONSENTED to follow …………

        • GowithGod

          Agreed, Amos Moses.

        • Peter Leh

          she is a minor. Perhaps she should have aborted, AMOS?

          • Amos Moses

            yeah …. cause that makes it all all right ……. to kill allow a child to kill a child …… (eyeroll) ………. LEEEEEEEEEEEEH ………..

          • Peter Leh

            Well.. i mean.. if you want to walk the stage… at least have the APPEARANCE of outward holiness.

            Not one of RESPONSIBLITY

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            If others broke the pledge – you seem to KNOW who broke the pledge by your own assertions – name them. One by one. Since you know so much.

          • Peter Leh

            What does the bible say about OUTWARD holiness….. Amos?

          • Amos Moses

            what does it say about killing innocence …………

          • Peter Leh

            answer my question first, please

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            What does it say about INWARD holiness……Peter Leh?

          • Peter Leh

            perhaps Jesus wrote in the sand… ” you will not walk the stage”

            lol

          • Amos Moses

            perhaps He was writing all the names of the persons who had slept with the woman they were seeking to stone to death …………..

          • Peter Leh

            HOLY CRAP…. we agree.

            But naw… this child is doing what she is suppose to do… meanwhile those who are not get to walk the stage.

            While we both agree she did not initially make the best decision, in the end she did. So let’s shun her, right, Amos?

            Let;s reinforce to the other girls that we will shame them for making the right choice. Let’s make them think it is better to abort than keep the child lest they get this negative attention.

            Others here have label this child as “unholy”… can you believe that Amos? If a girl was reading theses posts what would she do?

            She has been labeled a “harlot” here. So what is now the incentive when her fellow “Christians” say such things?? What about those in the same situation reading these post?

            Surely you will condemn theses characterizations as well?

          • Amos Moses

            there are consequences for acts committed ……. those acts can be forgiven by God …… and are ….. but we do no service to anyone by just ignoring their acts ….. she made agreements and was a covenant breaker …… sorry …. cant let that go and let her think it is all jolly ……… it is harming her ………. whether she understand it or not ………..

        • GowithGod

          Spot on, Amos Moses.

    • GowithGod

      “Maddi is being disciplined, not because she’s pregnant, but because she was immoral. The Student Pledge which every student from 5th grade through 12th grade signs states that this application of Philippians 4:8 “extends to my actions, such as protecting my body by abstaining from sexual immorality and from the use of alcohol, tobacco, and illegal drugs”. Heritage is also pleased that she has chosen to not abort her son. However, her immorality is the original choice she made that began this situation.”
      –Principal Hobbs, Heritage Academy.

      • Peter Leh

        Who in the school in NOT “immoral”?

        95% of boys are watching porn RIGHT NOW

        • GowithGod

          And you know this because… these boys have told you? Or is it that you have observed them watching?

          How do you know one or more engaged in watching porn, realized they made a personally denigrating mistake , went to the school principal and board, asked for forgiveness IN BREAKING THEIR STUDENT PLEDGE, repented and accepted their consequences? No one at the school would ever know. The same as if they didn’t break their pledge.

          If they broke their pledge but “didn’t get caught,” they will live with consequences regardless.

          Hard for you perhaps to imagine, but there are young men and women, usually Christian, who take their STUDENT PLEDGES seriously.

          If you don’t take your STUDENT PLEDGE personally and seriously, you need to move on or BE moved on …

  • Robert

    The school is suppose to kiss her behind because she is not murdering her baby is what she is saying. Since when does two wrongs make a right?

    • Ambulance Chaser

      What are the “two wrongs” you’re referring to?

    • Peter Leh

      so would the school be happy if she aborted?

  • Redboyds

    Good for them. The public schools have no moral standards are all, they let any tramp graduate. Christians should not lower their standards.

    • ChristianSoldier

      Amen. How many unholy babies will this harlot produce?

      • Peter Leh

        OMG, yet we wonder why the world hates the church…. not because of Jesus, obviously.

        who was conceived out of wedlock?

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          No He wasn’t. He was incarnated, not the product of fornication.

    • Peter Leh

      OMG

  • Georgie Franklin

    She should of had an abortion.

  • WhiteGhetto

    Maybe this girl will learn an important lesson from this. Don’t associate with religious cults.

  • Samir Mejia

    We are not supposed to judge nor condemn. The Bible never says, “punish the sinner”, that only corresponds to God. The School’s job (specially being Christian) is to help and guide the student, not rule and punish. the girl did not take the best decision, but if the school is Christian then it should take a role similar to a Christian and a church, no Christian should discipline another because we are all equal under God, and the Church should never shun(or discipline) a member, but rather help them cope with whatever discipline comes their way (given by God).

    • GowithGod

      SHE broke HER STUDENT PLEDGE. That is why she is being DISCIPLINED, not condemned, by her Bible-base Christian school. This school is NOT *church* affiliated.

      As educators, the Christian school educators have a responsibility to so discipline her. God will send *consequences* her way, not discipline. If Runkles did not agree to abide by the Student Pledge that all are required to sign, then she should not have signed it.

      Of course if she refused to sign it, she would have not been granted admission to the Academy.

      Was she lying about upholding the pledge just because she/her parents wanted admission to that particular Christian school, or did she sincerely make the pledge?

      If she lied, she needed to express that and asked for forgiveness, repent to God and accepted the school’s discipline. If she was telling the truth, she needed to ask for forgiveness.

      It doesn’t appear she repented to God, otherwise she would have accepted the school’s discipline. Instead of gratitude that she wasn’t expelled and would be receiving a diploma in spite of breaking her own PLEDGE, she and her father seek out media to which she can whine and bad-mouth the school.

      Who is not behaving as a Christian here … certainly not the school principal and board of directors.

    • vicnicholls

      II Timothy 3:16-17 indicates we are to judge using the Bible. John 7:24 indicates that also.

  • Samir Mejia

    The song “Jesus friend of sinners” shows this in a better way.

  • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

    Well young “lady”, if you couldn’t follow the rules, or refused to do so, you’re demanding all rules be set aside???

    • Peter Leh

      Nope. Only looking for christian compassion.

      how many girls who aborted walked the stage?

      How would one know?

      • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

        Wrong.

        • Peter Leh

          ok so you know how many?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            How would YOU know?

          • http://www.dontneednostinkinwebsite.com/ Midlandr

            Straw man argument. The girl will be forgiven, however, it does NOT mean she is absolved from the consequences of her fornication.

  • Michael C

    It appears that this school cares more about how they “look” to others than they do either for providing a quality education or holding strong to their convictions.

    This girl is only guilty of committing a “sin” that can be seen while her classmates (and their parents, and the teachers, and the school administrators, etc.) get away with hidden sins daily.

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      You’re very judgmental. They are upholding what the Bible teaches about such instances. I applaud them.

      • Michael C

        Firstly, the bible teaches that girls who engage in sexual conduct out of wedlock (even if they repent) should not receive a diploma in front of their peers? I can’t find that in my bible.

        Second, If the school had suspended or expelled her for her mistake, then perhaps your “upholding what the bible teaches” argument would make sense. That’s not what they did. All they did was sweep her under the rug to maintain appearances.

        Instead of receiving the same punishment that other students would face, the daughter of a member of the board was not suspended from school. Instead, the school is denying her the right to walk with her graduating class because they’re concerned with how it would look to have a pregnant graduate at a Christian school.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          a.) The Bible teaches that fornication is a sin. It also says that Christians are to separate themselves from fornicators.

          b.) The school did give her a 2-day suspension until they decided what should be done. Since Maddi repented, they allowed her to continue her studies in class. Had they wanted to keep up appearances, they wouldn’t even let her enter the building.

          c.) She is still going to graduate from a Christian school. They are not letting her walk the stage because she broke contract.

          • Peter Leh

            Moral? If you want to walk the stage, have an abortion.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            She wouldn’t be able to walk the stage if she’d had an abortion either. She acts like as long as the school didn’t know about her sin, no one else would. She forgets the consequences from God.

            Moral: If you want to walk the stage, don’t break the code of conduct.

          • Peter Leh

            The school is not god. You mean to tell me no student has walked the stage with sin?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The Bible gives specific instruction on how to handle the sin of fornication. The school is following it.

            And you ,yourself, are not God so stop acting like you know better than He does.

          • Peter Leh

            or YOU?

            Thank you.

            Please answer the question… guest

          • PilgrimGirl

            Yes indeed – sin is sin and God’s Law says the wages of sin is death. No exceptions.

            Thankfully, Christ Jesus, God incarnate, came to this earth and obeyed, fulfilled, the Law for His people. Then their sins were laid upon Him, their Substitute, who died in their place and was raised for their justification. It is finished! There is no condemnation to them who are in Christ Jesus.

            Blessed are the merciful for they shall obtain mercy.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You seem to confuse forgiveness with lack of consequence. Maddi is forgiven.

          • PilgrimGirl

            It wasn’t Maddi I had in mind.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Pity, because it’s Maddi who really needs to hear those words.

          • GowithGod

            Right. Worried you won’t get your way because you broke YOUR STUDENT PLEDGE? No problem, just commit MURDER so that you can “walk’ at your school’s graduation ceremony. Good grief.

    • Peter Leh

      YEP.

      Meanwhile the boys with there computers and smarts phones are…………………………………………………………………………………

  • Peter Leh

    Their school their rules….

    But lest not pretend they are doing this for her best interest.

  • Peter Leh

    ““Some pro-life people are against the killing of unborn babies, but they
    won’t speak out in support of the girl who chooses to keep her baby,”
    she said. “Honestly, that makes me feel like maybe the abortion would
    have been better. Then they would have just forgiven me, rather than
    deal with this visible consequence.””

    https://www.nytimes. com/2017/05/20/us/teen-pregnancy-religious-values-christian-school.html?_r=0

    • GowithGod

      So, we know Maddi contemplated MURDER because “some pro-life people
      won’t speak out in support of the girl who chooses to keep her baby.”

      MURDER versus non expulsion, which would result in a diploma. MURDER because she’s not getting accolades for NOT MURDERING her own child.

      If she didn’t believe that abortion is MURDER she had NO business being at the Academy to begin with … no wonder she broke her THE STUDENT PLEDGE.

      Runkles chooses to write her own rules, apparently with her parent’s help. And she’s attacking her school for not supporting her for NOT MURDERING her unborn child, conceived out of wedlock, in violation of THE STUDENT PLEDGE she agreed to uphold and on which she put her signature.

      She has no honor, but she has a diploma by the grace of the very school she is culpritizing.

  • Peter Leh

    “they made an exception by letting Maddi continue classes…”

    WELL bully for them.

    How many teachers and admin had sex before marriage? Porn? are any divorced?

    • GowithGod

      That’s a non-starter.

      *They* didn’t take THE STUDENT PLEDGE as a student at the Academy.

  • PilgrimGirl

    He/she that is without sin among you, let him/her first cast a stone at her.

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      The only person throwing stones is Maddi and her parents.

      • PilgrimGirl

        In what way are Maddi and her parents throwing stones?

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          By running to the press and Christian-bashing the principal and school.

          • PilgrimGirl

            “Christian-bashing the principal and school”? What do you mean by that?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            By running to the liberal press, posing for photoshoots, and misrepresenting the facts of the case. There’s good reason why Maddi has lost support of her classmates.

          • PilgrimGirl

            How have Maddi and her family misrepresented the facts of the case? Please be specific.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You mean by failing to tell that the rules were waived for her 3 separate times? Or by accusing classmates of grave sin? Or by failing to mention that her father was the one who doled out punishment and helped set the rules for other students but wanted a lenient clause when it came to his daughter? Or by insinuating that it was the school that forced her to consider abortion even though she’s the only one who brought it up? Or by failing to mention the immense support she received thus far from her school and classmates, the latter who no longer support her because of how she’s misrepresented the case?

          • PilgrimGirl

            Please cite your source for each point, Guest. Otherwise I have to ask: How do you have this inside information? Is it that you’re connected with Heritage Academy in some way?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            It’s not inside information. Maddi did multiple interviews on Fox, Washington Post, the NY Times, Cosmopolitan Magazine, etc. etc. as well as multiple television interviews.

          • PilgrimGirl

            Let’s take your points one by one. In which of those interviews was she “FAILING TO TELL that the rules were waived for her 3 separate times” as you told me earlier? And since she failed to tell that, how do YOU know that the rules were waived for her 3 separate times?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I gave you a list. Go look them up. They’re all over the place, and yes, it includes mention that on 3 separate occasions, rules were waived for her. That’s in the principal’s statement.

          • PilgrimGirl

            The Principal’s Statement says, “The Board has listened to three appeals from the Runkles family and compromised all three times.” The Board had initially wanted to expel Maddi from Heritage Academy altogether.

            The fact is there were no pre-established rules dictating disciplinary
            action to be taken upon a breach. It is impossible to “waive” rules that do not exist. How do I know rules do not exist? By Principal Hobbs statement in this very article that, “When Maddi chose to breach that Bible standard, a discipline plan had to be established”.

            Principal Hobbs also said, in the video within this article, that he believes that every situation should be evaluated individually and when it comes to a precedent he doesn’t believe that precedents always guide decisions that are made in the future. Clearly subjectivity, not objectivity, rules at Heritage Academy.

            Maddi nor her family are contesting the fact that she should be disciplined for her breach of The Student Pledge. Among other things, she was disciplined by an “unofficial” 2-day out-of-school suspension and loss of her leadership positions. However, her discipline is not consistent with action that the school has taken regarding other students who also signed and then violated The Pledge; they received in-school suspension only. Discipline is clearly not applied to all students equally.

            You said, “Moral: If you want to walk the stage, don’t break the code of conduct.” Yet her father, previous President of the Board who by your admission doled out punishment and set rules for other students, has publically disclosed that there are other students who’ve committed serious violations of The Pledge who’ve walked at graduation in the past and who will walk this year. Do you continue to stand by Heritage Academy 100% given their allowing those violators to walk at graduation while Maddi is prohibited from doing so?

          • PilgrimGirl

            Actually, the Principal’s Statement says, “The Board has listened to three appeals from the Runkles family and compromised all three times.” The Board initially wanted to expel Maddi from Heritage Academy altogether.
            The fact is that there were no pre-established rules dictating disciplinary action to be taken upon a breach. It is impossible to “waive” rules that do not exist. How do I know rules did not exist? By Principal Hobbs statement in this article that, “When Maddi chose to breach that Bible standard, a discipline plan had to be established.”
            Principal Hobbs also said in the article’s video that he believes that every situation should be evaluated individually and when it comes to a precedent he doesn’t believe that precedents always guide decisions made in the future. Obviously subjectivity, not objectivity, rules at Heritage Academy.
            Maddi and her family agree that she should be disciplined for her breach of The Student Pledge. Among other things, she was disciplined by an unofficial 2-day out-of-school suspension and loss of her leadership positions. However, her discipline is not consistent with action that the school has taken regarding other students who also signed and then violated The Student Pledge; they received in-school suspension.
            You said, “Moral: If you want to walk the stage, don’t break the code of conduct.” Yet Maddi’s father, the previous President of the Board who doled out punishment for other students, has publically disclosed that there are other students who’ve committed serious violations of The Student Pledge who’ve walked at past graduations and who will walk this year. Do you continue to stand by Heritage Academy 100% given their allowing those other violators to walk at graduation while Maddi is prohibited from doing so?

          • PilgrimGirl

            You said elsewhere on this thread, “Moral: If you want to walk the stage, don’t break the code of conduct.” Yet Maddi’s father, the previous President of the Board who doled out punishment for other students, has publically disclosed that there are other students who’ve committed serious violations of The Student Pledge who’ve walked at past graduations and who will walk this year. Do you continue to stand by Heritage Academy 100% given their allowing those other violators to walk at graduation while Maddi is prohibited from doing so?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Maddi has made that claim. How would she know? And if the father made the claim, did he violate his own code of conduct? You see, he’s not supposed to discuss that kind of thing. And since he has no scruples about breaking rules, did he lie? So far, Maddi is the only pregnant graduating student. There is no one else in her situation.

          • PilgrimGirl

            In the words of Principal Hobbs, “in disciplinary situations, each Heritage family deserves confidentiality”. Mr. Runkles did not breach anyone’s confidentiality. He named no names. What he disclosed is that other students have broken the code with serious violations and they still walked at graduation. He believes his daughter should be allowed the same.

          • PilgrimGirl

            I would add that after Mr. Runkles informed the Board that his daughter was pregnant, the first thing Principal Hobbs wanted to do was hold an assembly, inviting parents as well, to publically announce what Maddi had done. While Maddi’s pregnancy would announce itself in time, wouldn’t it have been more sensitive to Maddi and her family, already facing a difficult situation, to send a letter to the other parents than to make an example out of her in such a public way?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That is false. Maddi herself had gone to students prior to the announcement at school. The board was forced to address it publicly.

          • PilgrimGirl

            No, the Board was in no way **forced** to make a public example out of her. As I stated, if they felt compelled to make an announcement, there were more compassionate methods by which to do so. And Maddi herself had gone to students prior to the announcement at school? Exactly where did you get that?? I’ve not seen or heard anything from the public media stating that. Cite your source, please.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re just making things up now and being intentionally obtuse. I already gave you the sources. The graduation was yesterday and Maddi didn’t get to walk it. Over and done.

          • PilgrimGirl

            Again, support your assertion that Maddi herself had gone to students prior to the announcement at school.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Sure he did. He wasn’t supposed to discuss any students at all, whether named or not named. Those meetings are closed. He violated his own pledge. No wonder his daughter followed his example.

            If you know of students who have committed fornication, name them.

          • PilgrimGirl

            His pledge? If he made any such pledge, then the school will be taking action against him since it stands so firmly on punishing violators. Make sure I know about it when they do, okay?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            All board members and staff have contracts, too, not just the students.

          • PilgrimGirl

            Again, if he signed such a contract then the school will be taking action against him since it stands so firmly on disciplining violators. Make sure I know about it when they do, okay?

          • PilgrimGirl

            Maddi and her family agree that she should be disciplined for her breach of The Student Pledge. Among other things, she was disciplined by an unofficial 2-day out-of-school suspension and loss of her leadership
            positions. However, her discipline is not consistent with action that the
            school has taken regarding other students who also signed and then violated The Student Pledge; they received in-school suspension.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Maddi doesn’t get to determine her own discipline. That’s part of being disciplined. She also is stating that her discipline is not consistent with other students’ discipline, but how would she know, and why is she judge and jury of what is and isn’t consistent?

          • PilgrimGirl

            How would she know? Really?? Her father, having been President of the Board, knows and has said as much publically. Now everybody who’s paying attention knows!

          • PilgrimGirl

            Principal Hobbs also said in the article’s video that he believes that every situation should be evaluated individually and when it comes to a precedent he doesn’t believe that precedents always guide decisions made in the future. Obviously subjectivity, not objectivity, rules at Heritage Academy.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s false.

          • PilgrimGirl

            That’s what Principal Hobbs said. Are you calling him a liar??

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Your extrapolation is false. You didn’t quote everything he said.

          • PilgrimGirl

            Did anything he said that I didn’t quote change the meaning? No.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Yes. It’s called lying by omission.

          • PilgrimGirl

            Actually, I didn’t “quote” him at all. I summarized his comment. But, please, do tell: what did he say that would differ from what I stated?

          • PilgrimGirl

            Silence, Guest? That’s fitting because nothing I left out of his statement changed the meaning of his statement.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            What are you rambling on about? I am not here 24/7. But speaking of silence, I see you failed to address GoWithGod’s post. Why is that?

          • PilgrimGirl

            I asked for what Principal Hobbs said that differed from (changed, proved wrong) my summarization of what he said. You said I lied. I’m asking for your proof. Surely you don’t call someone a liar without proof, right?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I already gave it to you. So did another poster. Do you bother to read posts before you reply? You are unnecessarily combative.

          • PilgrimGirl

            No, I asked you to tell me what he said. You’ve not done that. You’ve only told me to go read the articles and watch the videos.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You lied by omission.

          • PilgrimGirl

            Someone removed my comment (the one below that was deleted)? Was it wrong to ask Guest for his/her proof to support his/her calling me a liar?

          • PilgrimGirl

            Again, nothing my post left out altered the essence of his message. Comparing my post with his words in the video shows that to be true.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You quoted one quote from a partial report. You did not quote his entire quote from the interviews he’s done or the statements he’s put out.

          • PilgrimGirl

            The fact is that there were no pre-established rules dictating disciplinary action to be taken upon a breach. It is impossible to “waive” rules that do not exist. How do I know rules did not exist? By Principal Hobbs statement in this article that, “When Maddi chose to breach that Bible standard, a discipline plan had to be established.”

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            There are rules in place, and then there are case-by-case exceptions. Re-read all his statements, and watch all his interviews.

          • PilgrimGirl

            Not true by Principal Hobbs own words. Read on…

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You didn’t quote everything he said.

          • PilgrimGirl

            I pulled that quote, in its entirety, from the article above. Go back and see for yourself.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No kidding. But you didn’t quote everything he said. He has given more than one soundbite.

          • PilgrimGirl

            Then you’ll be able to provide me the quote(s) from his soundbite(s) where he contradicted his comments I’ve highlighted and summarized. Great! I’ll wait.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why don’t you read one of the many articles all over the internet, and watch one of the many interviews on the internet? It’s all there.

          • PilgrimGirl

            I’d already done that and, no, it’s not there. You had responded to me that, “There are rules in place, and then there are case-by-case exceptions.”. Principal Hobbs only contradicts that in his sound bites in every video and his quotes in every article.

            I’ve provided you with specifics. You’ve responded in generalities. Why can’t you provide specific evidence to support what you said to me? Because it isn’t there! If you could…you would. It’s really that simple, Guest, and you know it.

          • PilgrimGirl

            Actually, the Principal’s Statement says, “The Board has listened to three appeals from the Runkles family and compromised all three times.” The Board initially wanted to expel Maddi from Heritage Academy altogether.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Thanks for proving my point. All three times they were lenient towards her. The rules – which her father, as head of the school board set – called for expulsion.

          • PilgrimGirl

            No, per Principal Hobbs, when Maddi offended, “a discipline plan had to be established”. No plan was in place.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That doesn’t negate my previous post. How is that hard for you to understand? And if there is no established disciplinary plan, by your logic, how then was Maddi disciplined differently than what the rules state?

          • PilgrimGirl

            You were the one who said they disciplined her differently than what the rules state. I simply pointed out they had no disciplinary rules to go by until they worked through the situation after her breach.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            They gave Maddi her punishment. Three times she appealed, three times they gave in. They held out on one issue only. I would have expelled her.

          • PilgrimGirl

            Would you also have expelled the other students who violated The Student Pledge?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            PG, I’m not here 24/7. I can’t answer your post the moment you post it.

            I would expel all students who deserve to be expelled. Not all violations are the same.

          • PilgrimGirl

            Somebody removed another one of my comments (below)? Please explain what was wrong in asking Guest if he/she would also have expelled the other students who violated The Student Pledge!

          • GowithGod

            Read all of the news “articles” — ALL of them all, then compare them. A pr/media background is very useful in understanding the game being played her, but if you’re astute you probably be able to discern it without one.

            Take notes:

            The ever evolving “story” changes in details daily in an never ending attempt driving by the “feminist pro life” organizations which have taken Maddi on as their poster child. She makes good publicity bait as long as her “story” keeps evolving to appeal to their audience.

            She is the only “event” these “feminist pro life organizations have with which to garner publicity for their cause which is clearly not Christian driven nor is it Christian compatible.

            Maddi is truly the victim here — not of the school, but of the organizations who are selling her and the feministas who are using her to beg their own power drums. To them, she’s a TOOL they can use for their OWN benefit

            She’ll be a nobody after they’re done with her and they’ve moved on to bigger fish ….

            You want that for Maddi??

          • PilgrimGirl

            If Heritage Academy had handled Maddi’s situation properly, the pro-life organizations wouldn’t be involved in the first place. Furthermore, the pro-life groups didn’t initiate the contact/relationship – Maddi and her family did and they can walk away anytime they choose to do so.

          • GowithGod

            The Academy handled Maddi’s situation properly and were lenient.

            Maddi’s Daddy didn’t get his way, quit the board and indeed quickly ran to the media. Maddi has embellished her story with every single interview she has given, to the point she has illustrated a total lack of credibility. That reality of course is not acceptable to Maddi/Daddy and the feminist pro-life orgs to which she has now pledged her allegiance.

            “Maddi and her family …can walk away anytime they choose to do so.” They have no place to go now, but yes indeed, they could walk.

          • PilgrimGirl

            According to the video with the Christian News report, Mr. Runkles “resigned from the Board once his daughter made the decision to inform the school she was pregnant”. Your statement reversed the order, “Maddi’s Daddy didn’t get his way, quit the board and…”. Just an observation. (See, Guest, I do read posts.)
            Thanks for helping clarify “The Academy handled Maddi’s situation properly and was lenient” in your reply to Colin Rafferty: “Heritage Academy by their GRACE did NOT expel her AND awarded her a diploma.” As grace is freely giving someone what they do not deserve/have not earned, that makes your position to be that she should have been expelled and not received her diploma. Got it.
            You’ve also pointed out again how the Runkles “quickly ran to the feminist pro-life orgs, who beat the tom toms to pro-feminist anti-Christian media”. Maddi’s original discipline, per the Fox News report, was suspension, removal as Student Council President, and finishing the school year at home. There was also an assembly held at school, which included parents, where’s Maddi’s situation was formally announced. Many more examples within multiple news articles and videos clearly paint the picture that the school wanted the Heritage Family to know what Maddi had done and then for her to be swept out of their sight. You, and others, are upset she was allowed to continue to attend classes but, by George!, she doesn’t deserve to walk the stage at graduation!! “Her presence there would have diminished the achievement of those who qualified to “walk.” as you put it. Maddi, just go away!! Get away from us!! You’re a….. a…. sinner!! I’d remind you that our Lord came not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance. He never sent them away.
            I’d never heard of Maddi Runkles or Heritage Academy before I read this article a couple of days ago. Since then I’ve read many other articles and watched many news videos on this story. ALL of them, as you said? Who knows! There’s a lot out there. Not to mention Heritage’s Google rating has tanked.
            This whole story just reinforces why I’m not in favor of “Christian schools” at all. Oh, no doubt they use the Bible (as many cults do as well) but do they teach Christ? I don’t mean any of the many false Christs hatched in unregenerate imaginations, no, I mean the Lord Jesus Christ as he’s revealed in His Word. I don’t see that ANY of them do that. They’re reformers who try to shape action, keep students to a “Biblical Standard” but fail to address the real problem…the natural heart of every one of us – the one we have by our natural birth. We don’t sin to become a sinner; we sin because we already ARE a sinner. Because of Adam’s transgression, we’re born that way and we do that which comes naturally.
            Heritage Academy has its Student Pledge (although it has no pre-determined plan of action for infractions…how stupid is that?). God has His law. What’s the purpose of God’s law? To show us our sin and to drive us to Christ for mercy. God’s law is not a set of rules we try to keep in order for Him to accept us. We can’t keep it! As Paul said, the law is spiritual but I’m carnal.
            Maddi, according to Principal Hobbs, is being punished for her immorality. Our Lord Jesus Christ taught his disciples, “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.” How many of those seniors that walked that graduation stage last night have sinned against the LORD God by looking upon another with sexual desire? The Lord knows. To be guilty in one point is to be guilty of the whole law.
            “The LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.”

          • PilgrimGirl

            Maddi, according to Principal Hobbs, is being punished for her immorality. Our Lord Jesus Christ taught his disciples, “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery: But I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.” How many of those seniors that walked that graduation stage last night have sinned against the LORD God by looking upon another with sexual desire? The Lord knows. To be guilty in one point is to be guilty of the whole law. “The LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.”

          • PilgrimGirl

            Heritage Academy has its Student Pledge (although it has no pre-determined plan of action for infractions…how stupid is that?). God has His law. What’s the purpose of God’s law? To show us our sin and to drive us to Christ for mercy. God’s law is not a set of rules we try to keep in order for Him to accept us. Thankfully! because we can’t keep it! As Paul said, the law is spiritual but I’m carnal.

          • PilgrimGirl

            This whole story just reinforces why I’m not in favor of “Christian schools” at all. Oh, no doubt they use the Bible (as many cults do as well) but do they teach Christ? I don’t mean any of the many false Christs hatched in unregenerate imaginations, no, I mean the Lord Jesus Christ as he’s revealed in His Word. I don’t see that ANY of them do that. They’re reformers who try to shape action, try to hold students to a “Biblical Standard” but fail to address the real problem…the natural heart of every one of us – the one we have by our natural birth. We don’t sin to become a sinner; we sin because we already ARE a sinner. Because of Adam’s
            transgression, we’re born that way and we do that which comes naturally.

          • PilgrimGirl

            I’d never heard of Maddi Runkles or Heritage Academy before I read this article a couple of days ago. Since then I’ve read many other articles and watched many news videos on this story. ALL of them, as you said? Who knows! There’s a lot out there. Not to mention Heritage’s Google rating has tanked, for whatever that’s worth.

          • PilgrimGirl

            You’ve also pointed out again how the Runkles “quickly ran to the feminist pro-life orgs, who beat the tom toms to pro-feminist anti-Christian
            media”. Maddi’s original discipline, per the Fox News report, was suspension, removal as Student Council President, and finishing the school year at home. There was also an assembly held at school, which included parents, where’s Maddi’s situation was formally announced. Many more examples within multiple news articles and videos clearly paint the picture that the school wanted the Heritage Family to know what Maddi had done and then for her to be swept out of their sight. You, and others, are upset she was allowed to continue to attend classes but, by George!, she doesn’t deserve to walk the stage at graduation!! “Her presence there would have diminished the achievement of those who qualified to “walk.” as you put it. Maddi, just go away!! Get away from us!! You’re a….. a…. sinner!! I’d remind you that our Lord came not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance. He never sent sinners away.

          • PilgrimGirl

            According to the video with the Christian News report, Mr. Runkles “resigned from the Board once his daughter made the decision to inform the school she was pregnant”. Your statement reversed the order, “Maddi’s Daddy didn’t get his way, quit the board and…”. Just an observation. (See, Guest, I do read posts.)

            Thanks for helping clarify “The Academy handled Maddi’s situation properly and was lenient” in your reply to Colin Rafferty: “Heritage Academy by their GRACE did NOT expel her AND awarded her a diploma.” As grace is freely giving someone what they do not deserve/have not earned, that makes your position to be that she should have been expelled and not receive her diploma. Got it.

          • PilgrimGirl

            It happened again. Reposting:

            You’ve also pointed out again how the Runkles “quickly ran to the feminist pro-life orgs, who beat the tom toms to pro-feminist anti-Christian media”. Maddi’s original discipline, per the Fox News report, was suspension, removal as Student Council President, and finishing the school year at home. There was also an assembly held at school, which included parents, where’s Maddi’s situation was formally announced. Many more examples within multiple news articles and videos clearly paint the picture that the school wanted the Heritage Family to know what Maddi had done and then for her to be swept out of their sight. You, and others, are upset she was allowed to continue to attend classes but, by George!, she doesn’t deserve to walk the stage at graduation!! “Her presence there would have diminished the achievement of those who qualified to “walk.” as you put it. Maddi, just go away!! Get away from us!! You’re a….. a…. sinner!! I’d remind you that our Lord came not to call the righteous but sinners to repentance. He never sent sinners away.

          • PilgrimGirl

            I apologize for the multiple posts below. I had to go back, as I did with my longer response to Guest, and post my comment in multiple paragraphs after it was “detected as spam” and disappeared. This time it took 2 hours? Something is wrong somewhere. Anyway here goes…

          • GowithGod

            Spot on, Guest.

  • DKELforAmerica

    “The school has shown students that it would be easier to choose abortion than to choose life,” said Executive Director Kristan Hawkins.

    Boy, Hawkins definitely leaped with that statement. The school has standards. The pregnant teen selected to violate those standards. Teen must pay the consequences and not attend graduation. The school did not mention abortion once.

    • Colin Rafferty

      The school didn’t need to. They showed all the other student what will happen if they get caught being pregnant. So now imagine a typical 16 year old who gets pregnant at the school. She knows she has a choice of getting an abortion or not. If she quietly gets an abortion, she avoids punishment from the school. If she doesn’t, she will be harshly punished.

      What’s a 16 year old to do? One who was foolish enough to have sex, and foolish enough to get pregnant.

      Well, the school showed her what will happen if she doesn’t get the abortion.

      • DKELforAmerica

        Let’s start with the teen not having sex. Then she will not have to be forced to make these decisions. And if she wants to have sex, understand that getting pregnant is a possibility. remember when America was ruled by standards instead of emotion?

        • Colin Rafferty

          Sure, none of them are supposed to be having sex, or getting pregnant. But I’m talking about what the school is teaching the students.

          If they do get pregnant, they know how the school will treat them if they don’t get an abortion. That the lesson that they learned this month.

          • DKELforAmerica

            I say again- let’s start with the teen not having sex. You agreed. Now, everything else is just noise. The school is teaching standards. The school is making the kids rise to standards. It is called discipline. That is the lesson for the month.

          • Colin Rafferty

            You were the one who was questioning where they would get the idea about abortion. I told you. If you didn’t want to discuss it, you shouldn’t have asked about it in your original comment.

          • DKELforAmerica

            The problem with your train of post is that you want to take the wheel down one path. Abortion is your path. Standards is mine. The discussion on abortion ended when I stated standards. It is called discipline- this story is not a good example to push a social movement.

          • Colin Rafferty

            I’m not pushing abortion. I’m explaining how the school itself is pushing abortion. Your use of the word “standards” didn’t change the school’s implicit position on this.

          • DKELforAmerica

            I guess it is true- if you tell a lie often enough, it cease to become a lie.

            The case is about standards.
            Don’t hate those institutions whose standards are not yours.

          • Colin Rafferty

            What’s the lie? That if a future pregnant student gets a quiet abortion, she won’t be punished by the school? She won’t, because she’ll get away with it.

            Or that a future pregnant student will get punished if she carries to term? Of course she will. That’s exactly what happened to Maddi.

            I’m not talking about whether she should or should not have been punished. I’m not saying that I hate the school. I don’t.

            I’m talking about one thing that this teaches all the other students. it is likely not what they intended to teach, but that’s what happens.

          • GowithGod

            Highly likely the other 14 students in her class have her number by now and know better than she does that abortion is MURDER, and that she and her parents are seeking media attention for themselves.

            Methinks Maddi and her Daddy doth protest too much …

          • Colin Rafferty

            It is very possible that Maddi and her parents are seeking attention. And it may be true that everyone involved thinks abortion is murder.

            But that doesn’t change the fact that the school has taught the other current and future students that they will be severely punished if found pregnant, and they still all know there are other options about how to get away with not being punished.

          • GowithGod

            Not “walking” at graduation is “severe punishment” after Heritage Academy by their GRACE did NOT expel her AND awarded her a diploma?

            Hardly!

            But it does make it difficult for Maddi to be the center of attention, doesn’t it? Her presence there would have diminished the achievement of those who qualified to ” walk.”

            Why would Maddi and her family want to begrudge the 14 students and their parents who *upheld* their student pledges?

            If MAddi had indeed contemplated MURDER in order to attend a graduation “walk” maybe she *should* have been expelled and saved everyone else the drama.

          • Colin Rafferty

            I’m not interested in Maddi, and have only been talking about the school and its relationship with the remaining and future students.

            My point is that punishing someone for having sex after they get pregnant is counter productive, if you are actually antiabortion. The problem is that kids will try to avoid the punishment they know is coming. And every single person who gets pregnant when they don’t intend to thinks about how to get unpregnant. The school’s punishment is one more weight on the abortion side of the scale.

            The school should continue to punish students who break the code and have sex. But if it were smart, it would not punish the kids who get pregnant and carry the baby to term. It should support them.

            When my kids break rules that are meant to keep them safe, they get punished. If they get hurt because they broke the rule, I temper my punishment based on the punishment they’ve already naturally received.

          • GowithGod

            If you are a Bible-based Christian you KNOW that there is no “getting unpregnant.”

            You have the child. Abortion is MURDER and it is not an option.

            A Bible-based Christian school is not a parent. It is not there to coddle or excuse the children in their education program. There are no participation ribbons for getting pregnant as an unwed teenager. And no hugs and showering of accolades for choosing NOT TO MURDER.

            As a parent, you of course may parent your child anyway you see fit (within the law, of course.). But if you choose to send your child to a Bible-based Christian school, you don’t get to call the shots on the SCHOOL’S STUDENT PLEDGE, CODE OF CONDUCT/RULES, TEACHINGS AND/OR TEACHING METHODS.

            If you don’t agree with a private Christian school’s mission statement, practices, and Bible based management thereof, don’t enroll your child/ren. If you already have enrolled them, get them out and into a school that you believe will better accommodate your children to your own personal style/requirements.

            Parents who choose to agree and support schools like Heritage Academy have every reason and right to exercise their choice and parent their child/ren as they see fit in accordance and respect with the school of THEIR choice’s STUDENT PLEDGE, CODE OF CONDUCT/RULES, TEACHINGS AND/OR TEACHING METHODS.

            I sincerely wish you the best in your educational endeavors with your children. That said, keep your hands to yourself, please, as regards other parents choices for *their* children’s education and the shaping of their children’s *moral* character.

          • Colin Rafferty

            I am talking about how the school can act to reduce the likelihood of one of their future students getting an abortion. I’m sorry that I haven’t managed to make that clear.

          • vicnicholls

            Don’t have sex, according to the rules of the school. That way it will prevent any of the kids getting pregnant and therefore needing an abortion.

          • Colin Rafferty

            That’s why the school should continue to punish students who have sex. But once pregnant, they shouldn’t push them towards abortion by punishing them for keeping the baby.

          • vicnicholls

            They punished her mildly. Very very mildly. You are saying have sex and get pregnant so you don’t have to suffer any consequences of having sex. I saw no where where she was ever pushed towards abortion. By any one at all, much less the school or any other person here or any where else. Why people say that in straight out refusing to acknowledge what the school stated, is beyond me. Its sort of like the Bible tells you something and people ignore it any way.

          • Colin Rafferty

            She was kicked off the student council, denied the graduation ceremony with her class, and if her father hadn’t been on the board, would have been suspended for the year.

            I never said they tried to convince her to get an abortion. I say, and have always said, that by doing this, they are showing future students what will happen if they are found pregnant. That is one more reason for those students to hide their pregnancy. And there’s only one way to do that.

          • vicnicholls

            Yes that there are reprecussions if you sign and disobey. That’s a good thing. There needs to be more reprecussions. One of the problems I see with my church and a few others is they are too lax in discipline.

            Once they choose to disobey having a physical relationship outside of marriage, they should leave the school. If they compound one sin with another, that is not the school’s fault. That is the students’ fault for trying to lie to God and cover up the first sin. Don’t blame people upholding God’s plan for lives because of someones’ blatant sin.

            Lying to God is not going to happen on Judgement Day. You are still saying lie about the code you signed, and no reprecussions for pregnancy. Sorry, aint happening. You still don’t have any logic for your consequences for sex outside of marriage but once pregnant, do nothing.

          • Colin Rafferty

            The open question is whether it is more important to punish the pregnant student or reduce the likelihood of future abortions. You and I see the weights differently, and that’s fine.

            Just don’t ignore that the more you punish the student today for the crime of being pregnant, the more likely it is that the next one will abort in order to hide her sin from the school.

          • vicnicholls

            According to Christ there is NO difference. Once you go down the road of a relationship that only should take place inside the first marriage (unless one spouse dies), you’ve already made a decision to disobey God.

            Since He is denied, what difference does it make if they have an abortion or not? That person has already decided to refuse to obey God.

            Nowhere in the Bible is there any support for punishment of a relationship outside of marriage and no punishment for pregnancy outside of marriage due to the original disobedience of His law. God calls sin a sin. There is no difference in His eyes. Its all disobedience to Him. What we think makes no difference. Its what God thinks is important.

            Where is the proof for what you are talking about? She was given punishment for disobedience not pregnancy. It was because she got pregnant & knew she couldn’t hide her sin she fessed up. She should have confessed that the instant she knew she disobeyed His Word and the contract she signed with the school.

            Why didn’t she? Why did she go to all these national outlets unless it was to force her will on Christians and refuse consequences for her actions, to be disobedient, to flout those in authority over her? What difference does it make to God?

            Not one. Since they’ve already flouted God and His law, to claim I didn’t abort, doesn’t fly. At all.

          • Colin Rafferty

            I’m not talking about her decisions. I’m talking about the school’s decisions. Read the article, she did not walk because her pregnancy was visible, not because she had sex.

            The school’s actions when they learned she was pregnant make it more likely that they will have students who get abortions, and I think that should have tempered their punishment rather than increased it.

          • vicnicholls

            The school made a decision in line with the Bible. Most “Christians” don’t want to obey the Bible.

            There is no basis for your suppositions. No matter what, once she disobeyed the rules and Gods’ guidelines in the Bible, getting an abortion wouldn’t have made a difference in God’s eyes.

            That’s what the ultimate issue is.

            Upholding God’s law is not a reason to blame the school for any abortion related issue or not. If you aren’t willing to do the time for the crime, don’t do it. If you aren’t willing to abide by school rules, don’t go there. Its that simple. Maddi committed infractions that indicate she is disobedient and then compounded it, showing she really isn’t saved. Nor is her family. I would not temper any punishment based on whether or not someone would get an abortion because abortion doesn’t matter when the person’s heart is not right with God in the first place.

            Sin is sin. God does not care what the sin is, lying or murder is all the same in His eyes. Christ didn’t die more or less for lying than murder. He died for every sin all the same.

            Look at things thru God’s eyes, His wisdom, His Word. Not thru allowing people to get out of consequences they should have never disobeyed long before abortion came into the picture.

  • http://bigleaguepolitics.com/ ScorchedEarth

    Maddi is no longer attending BJU in the fall. She didn’t get to walk her graduation. Was it worth it, Maddi?

    • vicnicholls

      Is that for sure? I haven’t seen that but figured once BJU saw her actions and response, and her families actions and response, they would have dropped her.

      • http://bigleaguepolitics.com/ ScorchedEarth

        Yes. Her initials interviews said she was attending BJU in the fall, but her most recent ones said she’s taking online courses from home.

        • vicnicholls

          I’m wondering if they have seen what has gone on? I doubt they’d want to be a part of that. What makes me know she hasn’t repented is that she is still wanting to go to BJU although she and her family do not support a Biblical way of life. She knows it wrong but refuses to go to places that support her way of lifestyle and choices.

          • http://bigleaguepolitics.com/ ScorchedEarth

            I’m sure they’ve seen it. She’s been running to every liberal and feminist place that would have her, spouting her nonsense. The school had to hire security at graduation because of her.

          • vicnicholls

            She will not be able to run on Judgement Day. That’s what matters in the end. So very sad. I’m sure everyone at the school is praying for her, knowing who she has chosen in her heart.

          • http://bigleaguepolitics.com/ ScorchedEarth

            Did you get to see quotes from her father’s speech at her “graduation”? He said who knew God had such a wonderful plan for Maddi’s life, as though she were the Virgin Mary and had nothing at all to do with the pregnancy. She wore white and walked the Methodist church stage. John Wesley must be turning over in his grave.

          • vicnicholls

            Then the whole family needs to be saved. The church needs to be prayed for.

            God has spoken to situations like this in His World. As Conrad Mbewe said, “what does the Bible say?”. As Al Mohler said, ‘its whether we obey it or not”, meaning Scripture.

            God has a plan, however on Judgement Day it will NOT be what they think.

          • GowithGod

            Spot on, vicnicholls.

        • GowithGod

          The latest I have read was in an article on npr: “She will be living at home with her parents.”

          No mention of any school whatsoever.

  • albany le

    This is a Christian, Is that right? GOD forgives but you don’t.
    There is no way you are doing anything right! Our Lord forgives everyone for any and all things they had done wrong, of ever thought they were wrong.
    Allow this girl to walk the stage and get her diploma–Or close this UN-CHRISTIAN school.

  • Chet

    So, Principal Dave, how do you observe Matthew 6:14-15? Surely, there could be some means of allowing this young lady the privilege of walking just as the other recipients without promoting the idea of your having compromised your standards… As is, seems as if you’ve done more damage than good, no…

  • PilgrimGirl

    There’s coverage of Maddi’s Graduation Ceremony yesterday online!!

    Rules here prohibit me from posting the links. However, there’s an article with lots of picture on HeraldMailMedia (dot) com under the Local News tab.

    StudentsForLife (dot) org also posted about her commencement. The group presented her with nearly 7,000 messages of support from around the world and a $16,000 scholarship.

    • http://bigleaguepolitics.com/ ScorchedEarth

      Pity that scholarship won’t do her any good at BJU, where she wanted to attend but can’t since she broke their code of conduct too.

      • vicnicholls

        Why she wants to attend there is beyond me. She has rejected Christ, why bother to go? You know what the high school rules are like, why do you want to attend the same thing at university level? The only reason would be rebellion against God and wanting to do like other non Christians: force Satan’s will on them.

        She and the family need major prayer. Lots of major prayer.

        • PilgrimGirl

          Exactly how would she “force Satan’s will on them” since she’ll be taking her classes online?

          • vicnicholls

            She is disobedient to God and the earthly people appointed over her. So the whole reason for getting all these groups to vilify Christians and a Bible obeying group, that attitude is from Satan. She was trying to use the groups to force the school to not obeying the Bible and giving her consequences for her actions.

          • PilgrimGirl

            “She was trying to use the groups to force the school to not obeying the Bible and giving her consequences for her actions.”

            If Heritage Academy had followed the Bible, it would have stoned her, and the boy who got her pregnant, to death. That is the punishment for that sin, is it not?

          • vicnicholls

            When one doesn’t know how to hermaneutically interpret the Bible, and uses eisegisis instead of exegesis, answers like yours are what you get.

            Try researching someone like John MacArthur, Conrad Mbewe, RC Sproul, Al Mohler, and they’ll help you to understand the Bible. You won’t like it, but it will speak the truth.

          • PilgrimGirl

            God’s law has not changed, vicnicholls. It still demands perfect obedience. To be guilty in one point is to be guilty of the whole law. The penalty for breaking it is still death.

          • http://bigleaguepolitics.com/ ScorchedEarth

            Maddi seems to think it means more grace.

          • PilgrimGirl

            Perhaps Maddi has never heard the Gospel. I sure haven’t heard it from Heritage Academy or found it displayed on its website.
            One thing is absolutely certain: if Jesus Christ died for her, her sins have been put away.

          • http://bigleaguepolitics.com/ ScorchedEarth

            There you go again, attacking a Christian school.

          • vicnicholls

            They aren’t Christian. You can tell that from their words and how they misinterpret the Bible. Plus, the inability to reconcile Scripture with Scripture. II Tim. 1 – having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power or II Corinthians 11 – And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So
            it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as
            servants of righteousness. II Corinthians 4:4, II Cor. 2:14 … you know the drill.

          • http://bigleaguepolitics.com/ ScorchedEarth

            I know. There are so many Marxists within the pro-life movement now, and others who merely want to attack a Christian school. This is not going to end well for Maddi.

          • vicnicholls

            This is how we know you are still a lost sheep (refusal to obey the Word) and the school obeys the Word and Maddi & her family do not obey the Word either.

            Matt. 7:19-23
            Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them. Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Oh my. We cannot judge Maddi’s actions, according to you, but we can judge an entire school that you’ve never attended. Hypocrisy!

          • vicnicholls

            Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

            John 15:22 If I had not come and spoken to them, they would not have been
            guilty of sin, but now they have no excuse for their sin.

          • vicnicholls

            The law demanded perfect obedience before Christ. No one could fulfill it but Him.

            There are some really good expository preaching men out there. Reading them & prayer would help you.

          • PilgrimGirl

            That’s exactly right – only Christ Jesus could fulfill the law and he did so in the room and stead of every one given Him by the Father before the world began. The Father also laid upon Christ every sin of every one of His people and Christ, by his substitutionary death, put them away. No one for whom Christ died and rose again shall come into condemnation for their sins have been fully put away.

            There are sheep and there are goats. Only the LORD makes the difference between them. Salvation is of the LORD.

          • vicnicholls

            Proverbs, “For the commandment is a
            lamp and the teaching is light, and reproofs for
            discipline are the way of life.”

            Luke 6:43-46, John 7:24, I Cor. 2:10-16, Ezekiel 33:7-9, Prov. 9:6-10 (this speaks directly to you), John 3:19-20, Acts 13:9-10, Eph 5:11, Prov 31:9, Gal. 6:1, II Timothy 2:24. I could go on but that tells you we are to judge each other with “righteous judgement”. We are to help those who stumble. The Bible shows us how to do it. You judge with the world. We judge using Christs’ standard.

          • vicnicholls

            Then how do you explain the numerous references in the Bible to use it for reproof? II Timothy 3:16 being the biggest one. The reason why you can’t is that you pick and choose verses, called eisegesis, to suit your views, not the Bible to give you God’s views. Why do you think you know more than God? Why do you think you can disobey Him without punishment? If you had a right view of God, you wouldn’t be doing this. As Justin Peters says, don’t twist Scripture out of context. Don’t preach it unless you can handle the nuances. Or at least expect if you do, that Christians in the Word point it. Look up Bereans.

      • PilgrimGirl

        She’s enrolled at Liberty University, a private, non-profit, Christian university, which is significantly more difficult to get into than Bob Jones University (21.6% vs. 82% acceptance rate). That scholarship will so her good there because Liberty is also more expensive. Besides, since at either college she’d be taking her classes online, how would the code of conduct apply to her anyway?

        • vicnicholls

          Liberty also may see her online and refuse her. Why does she want to go to a Christian school when it is obvious that she is not Christian and will break the rules?

          • PilgrimGirl

            King David committed adultery with Bathsheba and then had her husband, Uriah, killed when David learned Bathsheba had conceived his child. You’d likely not call him a Christian either yet the Bible tells us he was a man after God’s own heart.

          • vicnicholls

            Yes he tried to cover it up, with more sin committed. Just like Maddi hiding her sin with the father.

            However, unlike David she didn’t go down in sackcloth and ashes, in obedience to those over her. She’s only attempted to thwart them, unlike David did with Nathan.

            Instead of denial or excuses, David went with all honesty before the Lord saying “I have sinned against the Lord.” 2 Samuel 12:13. Maddi hasn’t. Nor has her family.

            I think if you review Psalms 51, you’ll see some of the depth of repentance. I have never seen this off Maddi. It was her and the family only trying to negotiate out of any repercussions for her behavior.

          • PilgrimGirl

            She accepted discipline. Her only point was keeping her from participating in the graduation exercise was over and about what other students who broke the pledge received. What’s clear to me, an outsider to Maddi and Heritage Academy, the school wanted to shame her by publically announcing her sin and then have her to go away.
            You have a valid point: David repented *before the Lord*. The matter is between Maddi and the Lord. If Maddi is one of His, it will happen. He will see to it.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Maddi didn’t accept discipline. She appealed 3 times. She won 3 times. When she couldn’t win on a 4th appeal, she ran to the liberal media. She broke the code of conduct. She doesn’t get to determine her own punishment.

            As far as King David goes, he still faced consequences after receiving forgiveness. His baby died, he lost 2 more sons, his own son led a civil war against him, his daughter was raped, etc. etc. All Maddi got was removed from student council and a sit-out from her graduation.

          • GowithGod

            “He will see to it.”

            No, He won’t “see to it that she repents.” That is her call and her’s alone, according to the Bible.

            Many so called Christians choose not to repent. But the effect of repentance when it occurs is a *visible* before-and-after. Without it, of course, she seals her own fate.

            Nobody “embarrassed” Maddi. She embarrassed herself. SHE broke her student pledge to avoid all sexual immorality: she had sex at least once with at least one boy/man who does not attend Heritage. Surprise, she got pregnant!

            Runkles very publicly accuses the school of not appreciating her choice to have the baby vs MURDER the baby via abortion. She wants applause and accolades for *not* committing murder, brushing over the sin that got her pregnant in the first place, the very sin that brought her to her current situation.

            She remains unwed. She does not appear to grasp that to genuine Bible based Christians, pregnancy and birth of a child conceived is a gift from God to the parents.

            Runkles wants to be lauded and applauded for *not murdering* this living GIFT FROM GOD. I mean, how Christian is that? Not…

          • vicnicholls

            From Dr. MacArthur’s Grace to you Devotionals: Matthew 7:21-23 talks about the distinction between those who claim to be Christians and those who truly are. “Hearers” in James 1:22 translates a Greek word that speaks of auditing a class. Auditing students attend class and listen to the instructor but don’t do any work. Consequently, they don’t receive credit for the course. The phrase “delude themselves” speaks of being victimized by one’s own faulty reasoning.

            People who listen to God’s Word but never obey it are spiritual auditors who delude themselves by thinking that hearing the Word is all God requires of them. Unfortunately, many churches are full of such people. They attend services and hear the sermons but their lives never seem to change. They’re content to hear the Word but never apply it. Like those whom Jesus condemned in Matthew 7, they’ve chosen religious activities over true faith in Christ.

          • GowithGod

            Thanks for putting the time and effort on this post, which states the situation so clearly. I was not familiar with James 1:22 – so good to now have read it ! “Spiritual auditors” — I will remember that and use it as appropriate 🙂

            I have witnessed and continue to witness first hand what the non-Christian “Christian churches” are doing to herd souls into Satan’s hands, particularly those of the teen-20s crowd. There is absolutely nothing Christian in their mission. The”religious intoxication” of the new Apostolic Reformation Movement alone will scare the breath out of true Believers who can see through it to it’s endgame. Then there are the Rick Warrens, Beth Moores, a variety of “real, raw *Christian* mommy bloggers, Joel Osteen, Mark Burnett and Roma Downey, Mark Driscoll, and the ghost of Rob Bell, to name a few.

            That said, “Onward Christian soldiers:)”

          • vicnicholls

            Have you seen Andrew Stroms’ Kundalini Warning? Its frightening.

            You should have seen the backlash I got in my church about Mothers’ Day not being Christian and the first purpose of a Christian is to glorify God. If this is the only time you are celebrating Mom’s only, what about the other Christian missionaries I know that are single? Why aren’t they celebrated for the heavenly mission they do?

          • GowithGod

            I hadn’t been aware of Strom’s Kudalini Warning — I appreciate your pointing it out. I’ll take a look…Thanks!

            Sorry that your fellow church goers backlashed you re:Mothers’ Day.
            The small church I call “home” acknowledges that Mothers day is not a Christian holiday while thanking Moms for all they do to keep a Christian home. The missionaries I know through my church and admire are all married people –hadn’t thought much about single ones, but will keep my eyes opened!

          • vicnicholls

            Do they thank the single and non Moms? If so, then we are not to choose partially (think James 2). All are to be celebrated for their first duty which is to do Christ’s Will and preach His Gospel, no matter what situation they are in in life. That’s what is the problem: not focusing on God but the world.

            Its not just single missionaries. Those women who work are just as much missionaries and that might be His Will in their lives. They are not celebrated and my question is why? Worldly influence in the church.

          • GowithGod

            I’m not sure I understand your question, vicnicholls.

            Moms (married, single, widows) are acknowledged with appreciation for their role in their family/raising Christian kids.

            Missionaries are engaged in international mission efforts//community outreach/legislation efforts (a wide variety of programs and activities) are acknowledged on a case by case basis for their mission/outreach efforts/updates. Men, women, children, married, single …

          • vicnicholls

            Do they celebrate the worldly Mothers’ day but otherwise do not recognize women for following God’s will for their lives, even if that is single or just as a wife?

            Its not Biblical if they do.

          • GowithGod

            They recognize women –, married, widowed, single, engaged, mothers (married and single) — for following God’s will for their lives. Not just on Mother’s Day, but throughout the year.

            Mother’s Day at my church isn’t a party, it’s an acknowledgement during Sunday worship to all the church attendees. And all of the women at our church are daughters of mothers 🙂

          • vicnicholls

            Then why is it a Mother’s Day celebration and not a woman’s day? Is there a specific focus on mothers? That’s what I saw at my church. People got mad over it.

            Just because one has a child or is/was one, doesn’t mean we are celebrating the most important thing: Christs’ will for our lives. I’ve seen it happen way too frequently that there is a worldly vs. Christ lead emphasis on that.

            Christmas is even worse.

          • GowithGod

            Let me rephrase: my church ACKNOWLEDGES “our” mothers on mothers day, “our” fathers on fathers day, “our” men, women, and teens on their diverse missionary efforts –international, national, collegiate, community, throughout the year.

            All such acknowledgements in *my church* are made and verbalized relative to SCRIPTURE. We are a Bible-based, non denominational church. We are not a “building.” We are not a social club, athough many if not most of our members interact with each other — usually through Bible-based fellowship or an occasional meal together 🙂

            Christ’s love and will for us *according to the Bible* is front and center. Those who disagree with our church’s strict “of the Bible” stance are welcome to worship elsewhere. But they are not welcome foment dissent within our church community.

            I too have “seen it happen way too frequently that there is a worldly vs. Christ lead emphasis on that.”

            In my experience, attempts by so-called Christian matriarchs who have their own non-biblical determination to run churches THEIR way are among the most disruptive if not most destructive .

            “Welcoming” individuals to a church is one thing. However, if a church is *accommodating* to potential and new church goers by incorporating inclusion of non Biblical practices to church TEACHING and management, this is clearly Biblically WRONG.

            In my opinion, if the church “management” decides to go in “that direction,” it is time for Bible-based Christians to GET OUT of there and go elsewhere. I “practice what I preach.” And I have been blessed.

          • vicnicholls

            That’s my point. We make it a special time to acknowledge parents, but not all other women because they are women or men because they are men. We don’t take the time to validate they are following God’s Word, no matter where God takes them to the altar or not. I’ve tried taking broken people to my church and they don’t feel welcome. That is a major reason why.

            We are also a non demoninational Biblical Text church, but in many ways, they are slacking off. I am shocked at the # who don’t know about a lot of the heresy out there and how to combat it. Or much even that it is heresy. You can’t listen to Paul Washer and then want an easy peasy Bible study. I want leaders who offend me so I know what I’m doing wrong and make sure it imprints so I do right by the Text.

            That’s why I go to a Bible based expository preaching church.

            Sadly we have a lot of “cliques”.

          • PilgrimGirl

            There is a false repentance which people may possess but which is as distinguishable from true repentance as darkness from light when
            the principles of both are analyzed. False repentance is that which springs from a sorrow for the consequences, not the causes of sin. True repentance is that which flows from the consciousness of the sin itself. The man of godly sorrow sorrows for having offended God. The man of worldly sorrow sorrows that his sin has brought punishment. The one is the effect of fear; the other of love. The repentance for the consequence of sin goes no further than as it dreads the punishment: the repentance for the cause of sin becomes the continued gracious sorrow of the heart.

          • GowithGod

            You’re quoting High Calvinist Robert Hawkings from a concordance he wrote, published in 1828.
            Calvinists are not Bible-based Christians. They believe in predestination. No forgiveness or repentance necessary in Calvinism, because according to Calvin those who go to be with God after death are already preselected. The rest? They never get to heaven, because it was their DESTINITY, dermined by God before they were even born.

            CALVINISM has no place in a Bible-based discussion of sin, asking for forgiveness and accepting the consequences and REPENTING.

            Are you aware that you are preaching Calvinism, not Christianity? What’s up with that? Are you a Calvinist?

            As for me, I applaud (for many reasons)”William Wilberforce [an Evangelical Christian)who avoided the services at Lock Chapel London whenever the Anglican high Calvinist Robert Hawkings was preaching, in order to protect his children from his “poison.”

          • PilgrimGirl

            Predestination as taught in the word of God – The apostle Paul wrote to the called saints in Rome, “For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren. Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified. What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us? He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things? Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifies. Who is he that condemns? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.” (Romans 8:29-34)
            Whom he foreknew, he predestinated, he called, he justified, and he glorifed – all past tense. As Jonah said, “Salvation is of the LORD.”

          • PilgrimGirl

            Predestination as taught in the word of God – The apostle Paul wrote to the saints at Ephesus, “Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ: according as he has chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will, to the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he has made us accepted in the beloved. In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace; wherein he has abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence; having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he has purposed in himself: that in the dispensation of the fullness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him: in whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who works all things after the counsel of his own will: that we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.” (Ephesians 1:3-12)

          • GowithGod

            Feel free to google DID GOD CHOOSE US…OR WE HIM? Berean Call commentary.

            I’m with the Bereans …

          • PilgrimGirl

            “The Berean Call says, “Salvation comes through Christ’s death. Death is the penalty for sin, and Christ had to pay that penalty for all mankind in full.”

            The Lord Jesus Christ says, “I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd gives his life for the sheep… I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. As the Father knows me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, one shepherd… I told you, and you believed not: the works that I do in my Father’s name, they bear witness of me. But you believe not, because you are not of my sheep…” John 10

            I believe Christ.

          • GowithGod

            If you don’t believe the Bible, cannot believe Christ.

            I’ll leave you with this and pray for you going forward.

            From Berean Call:

            God did not make us robots. In spite of the denial by Luther, Calvin, and many evangelical leaders today, God gave man a will to freely choose to love or to hate Him, to receive Christ as Savior and Lord or to reject Him. God wants man to trust Him so fully and to love Him so deeply as to give Him the keys to this inner fortress of the heart, holding nothing back: “my son, give me thine heart” (Prov:23:26).

            God doesn’t want to trick us or to superficially persuade us by our emotions. He wants to win our hearts with His truth and love. “Know therefore…in thine heart…the LORD he is God” (Deut 4:39); “thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might” (Deut 6:5); “The LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul” (Deut 13:3). God’s command for all to love Him with the whole heart proves His love and desire for all mankind to be saved. It would be unreasonable for God to command any to love Him whom He does not love enough to do all He could to save them, but has instead predestined to hell.

            “Only fear the LORD, and serve him…with all your heart…consider how great things he hath done for you. But if ye shall still do wickedly, ye shall be consumed” (1 Sam:12:24
            , 25); “turn ye even to me with all your heart…rend your heart, and not your garments” (Joel:2:12
            , 13); “If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest [be baptized]” (Acts:8:37); “if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and…believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved” (Rom:10:9).

          • vicnicholls

            If you don’t believe the Bible, cannot believe Christ.

            +9999. If you don’t believe ALL the Bible, what is the point? If you pick and choose, you are making your own self, God.

          • GowithGod

            My gratitude to you for clarifying my point, vicnicholls. Well done!

          • PilgrimGirl

            I quoted the clear, direct, words of Christ Himself which are in direct opposition to what The Berean Call teaches about salvation. If you don’t hear Him, there’s nothing more to say.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            How could you think there is a contradiction between what TBC and Christ say?

          • PilgrimGirl

            Read what I posted. The Berean Call says Christ died and paid the penalty for *all mankind* in full. However, Christ Himself said in John 10 “I lay down my life for *the sheep*” and told them they were *not his sheep*. It could not be clearer.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You need to read the entire Bible. “For God so loved the world” – you think there’s a contradiction in that?

          • PilgrimGirl

            There is not a contradiction when understood from the context. Christ Jesus was speaking to Nicodemus, a Jew who thought they and they only are the elect of God. However, by His blood Christ Jesus has redeemed His sheep “*out of* every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation”. (Rev. 5:9)

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s nonsense. You have to do a lot of twisting and turning to come up with that one.

          • GowithGod

            If you/we don’t believe the Bible, you/we cannot believe Christ.

            I’ll leave you with this and pray for you going forward.

            From Berean Call:

            God did not make us robots. In spite of the denial by Luther, Calvin, and many evangelical leaders today, God gave man a will to freely choose to love or to hate Him, to receive Christ as Savior and Lord or to reject Him. God wants man to trust Him so fully and to love Him so deeply as to give Him the keys to this inner fortress of the heart, holding nothing back: “my son, give me thine heart” (Prov:23:26).

            God doesn’t want to trick us or to superficially persuade us by our emotions. He wants to win our hearts with His truth and love. “Know therefore…in thine heart…the LORD he is God” (Deut 4:39); “thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might” (Deut 6:5); “The LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul” (Deut 13:3). God’s command for all to love Him with the whole heart proves His love and desire for all mankind to be saved. It would be unreasonable for God to command any to love Him whom He does not love enough to do all He could to save them, but has instead predestined to hell.

            “Only fear the LORD, and serve him…with all your heart…consider how great things he hath done for you. But if ye shall still do wickedly, ye shall be consumed” (1 Sam:12:24
            , 25); “turn ye even to me with all your heart…rend your heart, and not your garments” (Joel:2:12
            , 13); “If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest [be baptized]” (Acts:8:37); “if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and…believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved” (Rom:10:9).

          • PilgrimGirl

            You posted this again? My response was then, and still is now, “I quoted the clear words of Christ Himself which are in direct opposition to what The Berean Call teaches about salvation. If you can’t hear Him, there’s nothing more to say.” (PS – if you believe God has predestined anyone to hell, you don’t understand predestination, nor what happened to Adam in the garden, at all.)

          • vicnicholls

            I’ve told her before, she has other leanings and opinions that are not in line with the Bible.

          • PilgrimGirl

            Repentance, in idea, is supposed to be perfectly understood by every one but in reality very few have a true scriptural apprehension of it. Repentance, like faith, is the sole gift of God. The act itself is so impossible to be assumed or taken up by any, that it is equally easy for the leopard to change his spots or the Ethiopian his skin as to change the heart. “Jesus is exalted a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel and forgiveness of sins.” (Acts 5:31) What, therefore, Christ gives cannot be the work or the merit of man.

          • GowithGod

            This reads as though you are espousing Calvinism. TULIP.

            Are you a Calvinist?

          • vicnicholls

            Or a 4 pointer? Or as RC Sproul says: Arminianist.

          • GowithGod

            Good question!

          • vicnicholls

            I’ve already pointed out discrepancies between the Bible and what has been said here. I wouldn’t be surprised. I’m only hoping that going to the Word and researching will help. Christ doesn’t want to see people lost.

          • PilgrimGirl

            “Him [Christ Jesus] has God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.” (Acts 5:31)

            “For by grace are you saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God has before ordained that we should walk in them.” (Ephesians 2:8-10)

            All things are to be tested by the word and the word says faith and repentance are given to us by God.

          • http://bigleaguepolitics.com/ ScorchedEarth

            I hope Liberty does refuse her after what she’s done to her Christian school and other Christians. Funny how she doesn’t want to take Bob Jones University on.

          • vicnicholls

            Unless BJU refused her already.

          • http://bigleaguepolitics.com/ ScorchedEarth

            That’s what I was referring to. She was loud and proud about being accepted at BJU but when they withdrew their support she didn’t dare attack them publicly like she did the high school. She knew she couldn’t win that one.

          • vicnicholls

            I’m sure she probably got a letter refusing her due to her behavior(s), especially with the high school. This isn’t a small Christian high school you can try to bully around. BJU could care less what the world thinks.

        • http://bigleaguepolitics.com/ ScorchedEarth

          BJU still has a code of conduct that students are expected to adhere to. Perhaps that’s why Maddi doesn’t want to reveal who her baby’s father is.

          • PilgrimGirl

            All schools have a code of conduct. Perhaps Maddi changed her mind and wants to go to Liberty University instead. Teenagers do change their minds.

          • http://bigleaguepolitics.com/ ScorchedEarth

            If she’d changed her mind, she wouldn’t have told the press that she was going to BJU. By the way, Liberty also kicks out students for fornication.

          • PilgrimGirl

            Multiple media outlets reported that she learned she was pregnant just days before her BJU acceptance letter arrived. Tell me where she EVER “told the press that she was going to BJU”? Tell me which media outlet reported that and I’ll be happy to look it up.

            Also, time will tell if Liberty University kicks her out because of her fornication.

          • http://bigleaguepolitics.com/ ScorchedEarth

            Fox News, Cosmopolitan, etc. etc.

          • PilgrimGirl

            No, sorry, what you say that Maddi said is not there. Anywhere. What IS there is that she had received an acceptance letter from Bob Jones University IN JANUARY. So 1) she absolutely could have changed her mind and 2) you heard / read her saying no such thing. Bearing false witness… To be guilty in one point of the law is to be guilty of the whole law. You know that, right?

            Oh, and to be sure, our Lord Jesus Christ said that to even look upon another with lust is the same as committing the unlawful sexual act itself. Have you ever considered how many of those teenagers that walked the stage at Heritage Academy’s graduation have looked at another person with desire?

          • vicnicholls

            PilgrimGirl as I suggested elsewhere, please read the Bible with correct hermaneutics. You eisegete so much, its like Beth Moore.

            Exegeting the Bible is to get out of it what God wants you to know. Not to use snippets of the Bible to support your theories.

            When people resist reading the Bible and trying to understand that way, its easy to figure out who is saved and who isn’t. If you love Him, you’ll keep His commandments.

            Hebrews 10:26, I Corinthians 6:9-10, Romans 1:18-32.

          • PilgrimGirl

            And I responded to you in that same ‘elsewhere’ location. Please refer to my response to you there.

            As far as this thread, ScorchedEarth is quite capable of speaking for him/herself.

          • vicnicholls

            Which is why we don’t call you a Christian. Being against the inerrant Word, you set yourself against Christ. By their fruit, you shall know them.

            That’s why we are pointing out the Bible. Out of your mouth do we see the disdain and inability to rightfully handle the Word.

          • http://bigleaguepolitics.com/ ScorchedEarth

            I’m sorry, you mean like this? “She will be attending Bob Jones University in the fall.” Nice try there. Now who’s bearing false witness?

          • PilgrimGirl

            Which site said that? Specifically.

          • PilgrimGirl

            Oh! Yeah, CubanMami, said those exact words in her comment to an article on the political blog site “Mediaite(dot)com. Is CubanMami’s comment your source?

            Your “source” has as much credibility as you do. Zilch.

          • http://bigleaguepolitics.com/ ScorchedEarth

            No, that’s a direct quote from an article that appears in more than one article in the sources I gave you.

            You can search “Embattled pregnant teen’s story ‘starts a conversation'” which contains the sentence “In the fall, Runkles is planning to attend classes at Bob Jones University”.

            You now have multiple sources that state it, but you want to be contentious because it embarrasses Maddi further that another Christian school is holding her to Christian standards, you know, the type of standards she claims to hold herself.

          • PilgrimGirl

            Your ONE specific example –
            Article: Embattled pregnant teen’s story ‘starts a conversation’
            Source: Herald Mail Media
            Journalist: CJ Lovelace
            Date: May 31, 2017

            Mr. Lovelace writes, “In the fall, Runkles is planning to attend classes at Bob Jones University, a Christian liberal arts school in Greenville, S.C. The university’s dean of admissions recently contacted her to say they were proud of what she had done and would allow her to take online classes following the birth of her child, according to Runkles.”

            You had originally replied to me, “Pity that scholarship won’t do her any good at BJU, where she wanted to attend but can’t since she broke their code of conduct too” but clearly the dean of admissions at Bob Jones University is still allowing her to enroll. Unless, of course, Maddi has changed her mind.

            We’re done here.

          • http://bigleaguepolitics.com/ ScorchedEarth

            “According to Runkles” and yet she’s not attending BJU after bashing her high school in the press, so what does that tell you? There are codes of conduct that must be followed at all schools and if you break them, you take the consequences. Harvard just withdrew acceptance from a bunch of students because they didn’t like their online political comments.

            We’ve already seen that we can’t take Maddi at her word but keep spinning. It just makes you look dizzy.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You actually referred to 2 references out of 5 that you were given. Misrepresenting much?

          • GowithGod

            “In the fall, Runkles is planning to attend classes at Bob Jones University, a Christian liberal arts school in Greenville, S.C.

            The university’s dean of admissions recently contacted her to say they were proud of what she had done and would allow her to take online classes following the birth of her child, according to Runkles. [ONLINE classes — no mention of enrollment in a *degree program,* which has been the ongoing implication, and all according to Runkles, with no corroboration.]

            ****If that doesn’t work out, Runkles said she plans to continue taking courses at Hagerstown Community College, as she did in HS **** [empahsis mine]”

            Latest quote: “She will be living at home with her parents.”

          • SR

            Now she wants to marry the baby’s father in a few years time. He is not a Christian.

          • GowithGod

            Says who/what venue/when?

          • SR

            Google “Pro-Lifers Join Forces with Liberal Media to Attack Christian School for Teen Pregnancy Punishment “. It’s a You Tube.

          • SR

            Kristan Hawkins in the Jesse Lee Peterson interview.

          • GowithGod

            “CubanMami” is not one of the sources to which I have ever referred.

            Scorched Earth is providing quotes which I (and numerous others) have read too. From verifiable media and/or original sources.

            BTW, the Washington Post, and many other media outlets publish statements that cannot be substantiated.

          • SR

            That quote has appeared everywhere. Maddi keeps changing her story. Now she wants to marry the baby’s father in a few years time. He’s not saved.

          • GowithGod

            I read that as well, in multiple news media reports early in the breaking of the story.

          • GowithGod

            Interesting point, ScorchedEarth.

          • SR

            He’s not a Christian.

        • GowithGod

          She’s not anymore. The latest summary of her “status” is ” appeared in an article by npr 6/2/17: “she will be living at home with her parents.” No school.

          The code of conduct applies to all students who must agree to up hold the code, regardless of whether they are on campus or not.

          Schools which have codes and require students sign their agreement to abide by them (or face the consequences) look for certain characteristics in the applications they accept for admittance.

          Any applicant who has shown refusal to repent and accept the consequences as a result of breaking a student pledge or agreed-to code of ethics is not considered an acceptable candidate. [Especially] An application for acceptance as an online student by someone who has already demonstrated not only breaking a pledge but flaunting it is not viable.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            She keeps changing her plans(and her story). First she was going to attend BJU while her parents raised little Grey. Then she was going to attend a local college, then it was Liberty U and now this. Someone has problems with consistency.

          • PilgrimGirl

            Conversely, those who see anything worthy of God’s favor in themselves, anything that would deserve less than eternal condemnation from a Holy God, anything that in any way elevates them above anybody else, likely know nothing of the plague of the own heart or the grace of God.

          • vicnicholls

            We do know that those who disobey Christ and persue true Bible obeying Christians know nothing about obeying Christ.

          • PilgrimGirl

            Undeserving sinners who the LORD has shown the pit from which they have been dug and the mercy they have been given by His sovereign grace, are merciful and gracious toward others. They know that by nature they are no different from the worst of the worst.

          • vicnicholls

            So how do you relate I Cor. 6:9-11 who aren’t going to Heaven to what you state?

            What about Rev. 21:8?

            How about II Thess. 1:5-8?

            Romans 12:19 (I’m in a study on Romans 2).

          • PilgrimGirl

            Her formal discipline included suffering humiliation at a school assembly with parents present; a 2 day suspension; removal from her leadership positions as president of the student council and key club; and exclusion from her HS graduation. When she tried to get her punishment to be equal to that of other violators, she was denied. She has become the object of scorn by many associated with and supporters of Heritage Academy. She cannot go off to university like her peers because she will have the responsibility of her son’s care. Her path has been permanently changed. Yet even the sum of all of that is not enough to silence those who think she got off leniently.

          • vicnicholls

            Her formal discipline is nothing compared to what happens when she dies – and that includes her family, as they’ve indicated by their actions they are also disobedient to God. Apparently you think she should suffer nothing for her sin and disobedience. Where is that supported in the Bible so that it is exegeted as a Berean Christian? Not the twisting you do. The Bible straight out indicates God is a Just person. You can’t reconcile that with saying “no consequences”.

            I’ve yet to see supporters of Heritage that are obedient to the Bible support this. I don’t see any where in the papers where people from Heritage went to her “graduation”.

            She made her choice to ruin that future. Not any one else.

            We have no proof on the other violators but her fathers’ word. I’ve not seen any one else say that, anything confirmed of these allegations.

          • PilgrimGirl

            What has really amazed, and sickened, me is the zealousness of some religionists on a witch hunt. This is an 18-year-old girl who, by her one bad choice, has put herself in a very difficult situation although prior to that she had been a model, straight A student, leader, and athlete.

          • vicnicholls

            What sort of doesn’t amaze us is the zealousness which the unsaved, claiming to be Christians, 1) come in and tell us that its wrong in obeying the Bible, 2) in misinterpreting and twisting its Word, and 3) refusing to listen to His Word and obey.

            Repentance Cry dot com had a new image: “The most common phrase today of phony Christians today: Don’t judge me”. Then a falling person. Then the words: in Hell, their eternal scream: Oh God! I wish I had listened!

          • GowithGod

            Ain’t it the truth:) Succinct and to the point. Well said!

          • vicnicholls

            Thanks. So sad though. So very very sad. I’m sure you know what I mean.

            Luke 12:48. God has been so gracious to me, I can only return the favor.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            A model student doesn’t break the pledge.

          • vicnicholls

            When she first lost her innocence, she should have spoken up. She didn’t. She hid it.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            And then she shouldn’t have blamed the school and principal. Atheists and libs have been harassing her principal, the school board, and other students as a result. Maddi Runkles has a lot to answer for.

          • PilgrimGirl

            She can live at home with her parents and still take classes online at most universities. She could also take classes in person at a local college. The NPR article you cited made no mention of her educational plans for the fall. You made the assumption of ‘no school’. Time will tell.

    • SR

      Kristin Hawkins of SFL got owned by Jesse Lee Peterson on his radio show. Kristin makes the same backwards arguments you do. Are you sure you’re not her?

  • GowithGod

    “…there are a number of things which God cannot do. God cannot deny Himself or contradict Himself. He cannot change. He cannot go back on His Word. Specifically in relationship to mankind, there are some things God cannot do which are very important to understand and to explain to others. One of the most fundamental concepts (and least understood by “religious” people) is this: He cannot forgive sin without the penalty being paid and accepted by man.

    Are we saying that in spite of His sovereignty and infinite power God cannot forgive whomever He wills, He cannot simply wipe their slate clean in the heavenly record? Exactly: He cannot, because He is also perfectly just. “So are you suggesting,” some complain, “that God wants to save all mankind but lacks the power to do so? It is a denial of God’s omnipotence and sovereignty if there is anything He desires but can’t accomplish.” In fact, omnipotence and sovereignty are irrelevant with regard to forgiveness.” (Rom3:21-28), Berean Call commentary.

    Maddi Runkles clearly has not accepted nor paid the penalty for breaking her student pledge and committing sexual immorality. *Pregnancy is NOT a penalty. It is a gift from God.* She cannot “pay the penalty” by becoming pregnant as a result of her ACTION. She must pay the penalty because *she broke her school pledge.*

    • PilgrimGirl

      “God wants to save all mankind…”

      No, “thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins”. Matthew 1:21

      He shall not fail. Isaiah 42

      • GowithGod

        “He wants to, but He can’t “save all mankind.” CANNOT. (I’ve posted elsewhere on this thread the Biblical references for this.)

        Not all mankind wants to be saved according to the will of God. They who do not repent and show repentance *can’t be saved.*

        It is clear that God hears every prayer—meaning that He is aware of the petitioner and his or her prayer. The pertinent question, however is, Does God hear and respond to every prayer? It has often been said that the only prayer of the unrighteous that the Lord will hear is a prayer of repentance. The following Scriptures come to mind: “If I regard iniquity in my heart, the Lord will not hear me” (Ps:66:18)). “The LORD is far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of the righteous” (Prv 15:29). Berean Call commentary.

        He *forgives* ONLY THOSE who “call Jesus” *for forgiveness.*

        And those he forgives still aren’t SAVED. To be saved one must ask for forgiveness and REPENT.

        We MUST *REPENT* and then SHOW repentance to be saved.

        “He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth:”

        Godly sorrow brings repentance that leads to salvation without regret, but worldly sorrow brings death. – Berean Call study guide.

        Peter tells everyone to, “Repent therefore, and turn back, that your sins may be blotted out, that times of refreshing may come from the presence of the Lord, and that he may send the Christ appointed for you, Jesus” (Acts 3:19-20) and Jesus Himself gives an even more serious warning, “repent. If not, I will come to you soon and war against them with the sword of my mouth” (Rev 2:16).

        I pray that Maddi eventually calls (prays) earnestly to God for forgiveness AND THEN repents and SHOWS REPENTANCE ( changes her life to live differently in true repentance.) Sooner is better than later, of course, especially with a baby in the picture.

        • vicnicholls

          I’ve prayed that last paragraph AND her family also.

    • vicnicholls

      Those who are Christian understand I Cor. 1:18. It is those who don’t, and therefore not of Christ, who don’t get it. I think John 14? speaks to this. It is a parable Christ talked about to His disciples when they asked Him why He spoke in parables.

      • GowithGod

        Good observation! Agreed.

        Are you thinking specifically of Mark 4 perhaps? —

        The Purpose of Parables
        10 But when He was alone, those around Him with the twelve asked Him about the parable [of the sower]. 11 And He said to them, “To you it has been given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God; but to those who are outside, all things come in parables, 12 so that

        ‘Seeing they may see and not perceive,
        And hearing they may hear and not understand;
        Lest they should turn,
        And their sins be forgiven them.’”[c]
        The Parable of the Sower Explained
        13 And He said to them, “Do you not understand this parable? How then will you understand all the parables? 14 The sower sows the word. 15 And these are the ones by the wayside where the word is sown. When they hear, Satan comes immediately and takes away the word that was sown in their hearts. 16 These likewise are the ones sown on stony ground who, when they hear the word, immediately receive it with gladness; 17 and they have no root in themselves, and so endure only for a time. Afterward, when tribulation or persecution arises for the word’s sake, immediately they stumble. 18 Now these are the ones sown among thorns; they are the ones who hear the word, 19 and the cares of this world, the deceitfulness of riches, and the desires for other things entering in choke the word, and it becomes unfruitful. 20 But these are the ones sown on good ground, those who hear the word, accept it, and bear fruit: some thirtyfold, some sixty, and some a hundred.

        • vicnicholls

          Yes. Thank you so much for helping!

          I am bad. I sent my Pastor a note thanking him for a sermon, but also saying I wished he’d write one to get more involved in missionary work and that mindset. Even if it is to your own kids, your local neighborhood, your job, just do it, and to your best for His glory. Not everyone is chosen to go 1/2 way around the planet.

          • GowithGod

            You’re welcome. I am so happy I could help!

            You have, and continue to, INSPIRE me through your posts on this thread — I thank YOU.

            You did GOOD 🙂

          • vicnicholls

            Ta. I have to do a lot of research but I love this! Bringing me more into the Word and practicing what I’ve learned.

            Let us thank God and pray together for Maddi and her family and her baby.

          • GowithGod

            I’m there!

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Let’s see if this will work. Maddi’s father hired the principal himself and praised him just last year:

      twitterDOTcomSLASH1MoorSong/status/867917720083410945

      • GowithGod

        Thanks for the heads up and the link, Guest!

        For those who have any problems with the twitter link you so kindly supplied, you may also
        google: New principal embraces Heritage Academy opportunity and click on the heraldmailmedia entry (should be the first that comes up) for the original article.

        Very interesting. The Scott Runkles’ hypocrisy is outrageous. . .

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          From the comments section: “Sherri Pickering · Bob Jones University
          Heritage Christian Academy is extremely blessed to have this man. He left his mark on my three kids as their principal and also on me as a teacher. He stretched us more than we could ever imagine and taught us how to finish strong by his own testimony. You also have an added blessing with his wife. Learn all you can!”

  • SR

    Maddi is now considering marrying the guy who fathered her baby. He is not a Christian. The emerging details are sordid. Why are professing Christians celebrating this?

    • vicnicholls

      Not all of us are. Check out the responses below.

      I find no joy in this.

      • SR

        I’m not referring to people such as yourself. I was referring to those supporting Maddi Runkles in her sin.

    • GowithGod

      Thanks for the newsflash, SR!

      I couldn’t find a mention of this in a quick search and would like to follow through– I would appreciate any hints as to where I may read about this development.

      As to your question, many “professing Christians” follow in the wake of leaders who are “social activists.” Youth and CINOs flock to institutions/books/blogs/movements which promote “social Christianity.” Why? Because what “social Christianity” offers is NOT CHRISTIAN!

      As for us *practicing Christians,* rather than indicting churches for their lack of “social concern,” we should be holding “…those churches accountable for heresies and failure to preach the truth. We must denounce the destructive false teachings that abound, particularly psychology, which is the major vehicle of so much of this evil, and root it out of our churches, seminaries, Bible colleges, and universities. It is hypocritical for a church to protest the world’s sins while tolerating and honoring those who preach a false gospel and are the enemies of the cross of Christ.”

      Then we have the anti-Christian leaders club which includes but is not limited to Rick Warren, Marc Driscoll, Rob Bell (during his very profitable stint as an ever evolving “professing Christian”,) Olsteen and ilk, Beth Moore and Jen Hatmaker and ilk, Glennon Doyle Melton, and, as they say, “much, much more…”

      Glennon Doyle Melton sums it up [from Christianitytoday]: “My loves, here is the good news,” she writes. “You are allowed to think and feel WHATEVER YOU NEED OR WANT TO FEEL! … That is what I want to model now, because that is what I want for YOU: I want you to grow so comfortable in your own being, your own skin, your own knowing that you become more interested in your own joy and freedom and integrity than in what others think about you. That you remember that you only live once, that this is not a dress rehearsal and so you must BE who you are.”

      ***Seven of the Christian denominations with the most liberal approaches “pandering to social culture” including sex before or without marriage/ abortion/gay marriage, etc.:

      United Church of Christ. …
      Unitarian Universalist Association. …
      Metropolitan Community Church. …
      Presbyterian Church USA. …
      Evangelical Lutheran Church. …
      Christ Church (Assembly of God) …
      United Methodist Church

      ***The latest evolution is manifested in the New Apostolic Reformation Movement. It is demonically frightening, and youth is flocking to it.

      Youth and their offspring-worshiping parents want culture-accommodating “Christian religion” ONLY because it because it is a feel good self-aggrandizing DRUG and has nothing whatsoever to do with Jesus of the Bible.

      We practicing Christians need to be out there more than ever actively sharing the Word — the *power* and *salvation* — of God! Rom 1:16-17.

      • vicnicholls

        Who else signed that ecumenical document with the RCC? I think there are a few others that could be on there. I remember Pastor MacArthur talking about it.

        • GowithGod

          Do you mean Nicky Gumbel, the vicar of Holy Trinity Brompton Church in London, who is considered an Alpha pioneers and is the current director of Alpha Course world wide?

          I’m not aware of much of the history, but I do know that the claims that Gumbel makes — that Alpha “sticks to the foundational pieces of the Christian faith we all agree upon: Jesus, the cross, the resurrection, the Bible, prayer,” is an outright lie.

          “– what divides the Roman Catholic Church and orthodox Christianity is the very Gospel itself.”

          Help me out here if you can — who signed what?

      • SR

        Thanks for the post! I did not mean to infer that those who support the school are merely professing Christians. I was referring to those who offer cheap grace and phony mercy to Maddi Runkles.

        Jesse Lee Peterson interviewed the head of SFL and she revealed who Maddi’s boyfriend is. Google “Pro-Lifers Join Forces with Liberal Media to Attack Christian School for Teen Pregnancy Punishment “.

        • GowithGod

          Thanks, SR! I appreciate your response and the info by which I can find and listen to the interview.

          “I was referring to those who offer cheap grace and phony mercy to Maddi Runkles.” — We’re on the same page 🙂

          • vicnicholls

            Not exactly. I posted a response to the first one and it got deleted. Apparently someone takes an issue with me.

            I said we aren’t supporting them.

          • GowithGod

            Thanks for the heads up, vicnicholls. Good for me to be aware. Hmmm…