Wales and Scotland Offer Free Abortions to Women From Northern Ireland

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(The Guardian) The Welsh and Scottish governments will offer free abortions to Northern Irish women, their leaders have confirmed, after the UK government said last week it would fund the procedures in order to head off a Commons revolt on the Queen’s speech.

The confirmation came as the Democratic Unionist MP Ian Paisley Jr said his party would not compromise its hardline stance on abortion, even if it meant risking the supply-and-confidence agreement with the Conservatives.

Carwyn Jones, the Welsh first minister, told the Welsh assembly on Tuesday that the Labour administration would match the government’s promise to fund abortions for women travelling from Northern Ireland.

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  • Grace Kwon

    Why are they doing this? Abortion is murder. Nations are good only if they try to raise children properly. Today’s witchcraft is abortion.

    • Sedagive

      Irish women have a right to bodily autonomy.

      • Robert

        No they don’t . Their bodies the bible says were brought with the most costly price. Gods own blood.

        • Sedagive

          So you think women shouldn’t be allowed to control what happens with their bodies?

          • Pererin

            What about the women in the womb?

          • Sedagive

            What women in the womb?

          • Pererin

            The women and the men in the womb waiting to be born.

          • Sedagive

            There aren’t any men or women in the womb.

          • Pererin

            Just as there were no Jews in the gas chambers.

          • Sedagive

            Find me a pregnant woman with a full-grown man or woman in their womb, and I’ll relent.

          • Pererin

            Would male or female help your blindness?

          • Sedagive

            The fetus? Yes.

          • Pererin

            The living human fetus who is either our male or female child, of course. Shouldn’t we protect our children in the womb?

          • Sedagive

            Not born yet, not a child.

          • Pererin

            Wow! That’s extreme even by current western society’s standards. Do you also see parents as slaves to their reproductive systems after birth too? After all, if we neglect to feed, clothe and care for our children we are punished by our government. By your reasoning that would make all parents slaves too. How do you justify your belief that a human foetus is only worthy of personhood once it is outside of the womb? If a child of 30 weeks is born and by your reasoning given full human rights, the fact that by your reasoning, any child still in the womb after that is subhuman not worthy of any human rights is extremely unfair and strange. Don’t you see how illogical your reasoning for applying full human status is?

          • Sedagive

            Nope. Once the fetus leaves the woman’s birth canal, and is born, it is an infant, and thus doesn’t need the parents. It can be raised by anyone.
            If it’s born, it gets the birth certificate and is a person sharing all our rights and protections. Until then, it isn’t. It’s a matter of timing, not biology. Biologically, what is the difference between a person at 17 years of age, and 18 years? Answer: nothing. But the 18 year-old gets new rights, privileges, and protections under the law.

          • Pererin

            On the contrary biology has everything to do with it, which is why all the nations differ on when abortion is illegal. Your reasoning what is the difference between 17 and 18 year olds actually backs the pro-life stance – what is the difference between 10 weeks, 20 weeks, 30 weeks, 40 weeks, 100 weeks? Biologically the foetus is not an extension of the mother’s body, not an extra heart or liver, neither is it a paracite. So what is it? It is a separate human being worthy of love and care from it’s mother and father and if it’s mother and father are not worthy of the child then there are plenty of people who would jump to be a loving parent to the child.

          • Sedagive

            A line had to be drawn somewhere. When would you prefer that we get our human rights? At fertilization? Sometime between then and birth?

          • Pererin

            Why does a line have to be drawn, as soon as fertilisation occurs, as long as nothing wrong happens, the human embryo will eventually develop into a baby. There is nothing else like it in creation. I suppose the difference us is the sanctity of life. Assuming you’re an atheist, you have no reason to protect human life any more than you would protect animal or plant life. The atheist is taught that the embryo is nothing more that a collection of plant cells or a pig embryo. As a Christian, I am taught that we are all made in the image of God and am commanded to raise human life above animal or plant life. At the end of the day if you and millions of others believe human life is no more important than any other form of life, abortion will always exist and to Christians that means that billions of children made in the image of God are to be murdered in cold blood for centuries to come, some much worse than any holocaust before. Truly harrowing.

          • Sedagive

            A line has to be drawn legally to set what rights come when. If you disagree with the law, file your case.

          • Pererin

            Why can’t the law go back to fertilization?

          • Sedagive

            When was the law ever at fertilization?

          • Pererin

            1800s in the uk

          • Sedagive

            Was it ever in the U.S.?

          • Pererin

            1800s in the US too.

          • Sedagive

            Why would you want it back to that?

          • Pererin

            To save the lives of literally billions of children. Why ever wouldn’t you want to do that?

          • Sedagive

            Something the size of a dime shouldn’t deserve the same rights and protections as a born infant.

          • Pererin

            Are you predudice against everyone smaller than you are?

          • Sedagive

            Nope. But if this cluster of cells doesn’t even look like a person, with a brain, lungs, nervous system…it isn’t a person.

          • Pererin

            Yep, from the moment of fertilization, a fertilized egg has his or her own unique DNA, different from any other human being on the planet, with everything from eye color to sex already determined. They are, namely, human organisms, living individuals of the human species, at the earliest developmental stage. They are far from just a cluster of cells, they are clearly defined and unique human beings, from the beginning, worthy of life, our love and our protection.

          • Sedagive

            Why should something count as a person when it so often isn’t even taken and fully lodged in the uterine wall to grow into a full adult? That it more often than not is flushed down the drain before the woman even knows it’s there?

          • Pererin

            For the reasons I gave you in my previous post. Every embryo is a totally new person, they just need the time and protection that you and I and every living person that existed enjoyed to experience what their embryo was designed to do from the very start, exist as a person. It sounds like you are warming to the idea of banning abortion back to implantation which is positive. I can’t remember who said it but I think it’s useful here: “A society will be judged on the treatment of it’s weakest and most vulnerable.”
            I predict that our society will go down in history as vile, selfish, murderous butchers. But we can change that.

  • calduncan

    The death of conscience.

  • This style 10/6

    It is a scandal that women in Northern Ireland don’t have the same access tfo medkcal care tfsnat is enjoyed by their sisters in England, Wales and Scotland.

    • Mr Cleats

      Methuselah

    • Pererin

      The only scandal is the massacre of hundreds of children every day.

  • mikegillespie

    “Health care” that involves stopping someone’s heart from beating needs to be called what it is: “killing.” Don’t medical professionals take some kind of oath, “first do no harm”?

    • Sedagive

      Until the fetus is born, its heartbeat is irrelevant. The mother’s life and well-being comes first.

      • Pererin

        The vast majority of the time the mother’s welfare and wellbeing are not threatened. So I assume you are against abortion for the vast majority of situations?

        • Sedagive

          I am against banning abortion because it enslaved the woman to her reproductive system.

          • Pererin

            Are you against food because it enslaves you to your digestive system? Of course not, that would be silly. Reproduction is a body function a natural body function. Abortion is an evil tool, if anything is enslaving us it’s our society telling us that a career, a slim body, a holiday, our youth or a house are more important than our own children.

          • Sedagive

            I don’t like the need to eat, no. It gets in the way. But we can choose what to eat when.

            To say a woman’s choice to in pregnant or not is irrelevant is to, again, tell them that they are less than people. Slaves.

          • Pererin

            On the contrary, you are taking one person’s perceived personhood by robbing the personhood of another. Murderers.

          • Sedagive

            What person’s perceived personhood am I robbing?

          • Pererin

            The men and women, male and females in the womb of course.

          • Sedagive

            What men and women are in wombs?

          • Pererin

            The living human foetus who is either our male or female child, of course. Shouldn’t we protect our children in the womb?

          • Sedagive

            They aren’t born yet. Until then, the protection goes to the pregnant woman.

          • Pererin

            Wow! That’s extreme even by current western society’s standards. Do you also see parents as slaves to their reproductive systems after birth too? After all, if we neglect to feed, clothe and care for our children we are punished by our government. By your reasoning that would make all parents slaves too.

          • Mary Dine Wilson

            Try this… don’t have sex unless you are willing to get pregnant. That, after all, is the reason for having sex.

          • Sedagive

            Except it’s not. It’s why contraceptives were invented, so people could have sex without the expectation of getting pregnant.

    • Robert

      Its murder in the first degree thought out and planed.