Apologist James White Draws Concerns After Holding, Defending Interfaith ‘Dialogue’ at Church With Muslim Imam

A well-known Reformed apologist, elder and professional debater is drawing concerns after presenting, and continuing to defend, an interfaith dialogue event at a Mississippi church with a Muslim imam, which he says was meant to help Christians and Muslims engage in conversation and to “get along without compromise.”

Some objectors, while noting that they support dialoguing with and evangelizing Muslims, do not believe that it was proper to give an unconverted Muslim any type of platform during a special event hosted at a church, and feel that many of the imam’s statements should not have gone unchallenged.

“I’m totally in favor of having an accurate view of what they believe,” Andy Woods, the senior pastor of Sugar Land Bible Church in Texas and president of Chafer Theological Seminary in New Mexico, told Christian News Network. “Working out our differences and sitting down and making sure we understand each other is one thing, but giving someone a platform at a church is a different matter.”

THE EVENT

James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries, and Dr. Yasir Qadhi, the Dean of Academic Affairs at the Al-Maghrib Institute, appeared at Grace Bible Church in Olive Branch, Mississippi on Jan. 24 for an unmoderated interfaith discussion called “Christians and Muslims: Agreements and Differences.”

The ticketed Tuesday night event was recorded and posted to YouTube.

“I think the greatest barrier for Christians in reaching out to the Muslim people is fear,” White explained during the discussion. “We have fear in our hearts. It’s based upon ignorance. It’s based upon other things. That’s one of the reasons I wanted to do this.”

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“What would it mean if the Muslim people in your neighborhood knew that you loved them, cared about them and prayed for them, and were willing to do anything for them?” he asked. “It would change everything. But unfortunately, that’s not generally how they view us.”

Qadhi said that he believes some Christians view Muslims with mistrust and hatred, and he doesn’t think that it should be that way. He stated that he desires for Christians and Muslims to treat each other with mutual compassion while acknowledging their disagreements.

At the beginning of the event, White said that Qadhi has been a “primary influence” in his studies on the Islamic religion and shared that he “sense[d] in him such a kindred spirit on the other side of the chasm that divides us in regard to our theology and our beliefs.”

He disclosed that he has listened to Qadhi’s material in seeking to understand Islamic beliefs, and at one point, invited Qadhi to critique his presentation on Islam to ensure it accurately represents the Muslim religion.

While also noting that the two disagree on matters of faith, White stressed that the event was not a debate, but rather a dialogue. Therefore, the two-hour discussion was spent mostly discussing and gaining an understanding of Muslim practices and beliefs, at times being contrasted with the Christian perspective.

Topics included explaining the two sects of Islam, the belief that the Koran is the word of God, and the Muslim view that Jesus was a prophet and not divine, nor was He ever crucified.

“Muslims are looking forward to Jesus’ return because when Jesus comes back, we believe His soldiers and His army will be Muslims,” Qadhi also explained to those gathered. “We also believe—and this is in the Hadith or the Sunna of the prophet—that every true Christian will then recognize that they were incorrect [about] the Trinity and then follow Jesus as well.”

During the second hour of the event, Qadhi outlined that Muslims never judge whether or not someone is bound for Heaven or Hell and that they don’t even speak with certainty about themselves. White noted how Christian belief differs from this point of view.

“From the Christian perspective, the only reason that I can have peace with God or confidence of entering into His presence is because I’m in possession of the righteousness of Jesus Christ given to me,” he explained.

White and Qadhi at the Memphis Islamic Center

“We don’t view ourselves as a group that is somehow better than anybody else. We believe that a Christian is a person who has fled to God for His mercy and recognize that He (Jesus) is the only one that God has given to where His righteousness is perfect in God’s sight … and that’s why I can have peace with Him,” White said.

“This is one of the fundamental differences. We’ll have to agree to disagree from our perspective,” Qadhi replied. “It’s an element of arrogance to say ‘I am going to Heaven and I’m certain about it.’ Rather [we say], ‘I am very hopeful. I am very optimistic.'”

White also explained during the event that he believes it is permissible to have relationships with Muslims as long as they understand his beliefs and his desire for them to be saved. He said that he prays for Qadhi and that he wants him to bow the knee to Christ, and Qadhi acknowledged that he, conversely, desires for White to embrace Islam.

Qadhi said that even if both sides believe the other is on the path to Hell, Christians and Muslims should still come together despite their differences to fight society’s ills.

“Do we have to make this world a living Hell because of that? That’s the question. Let God judge on Judgment Day,” Qadhi said. “… Can’t we be good neighbors together? Can’t we work together for better schools, to minimize crime, to fight against pornography and drugs, to affirm family values?”

“Why must we hate one another in a civil society where coming together will bring about so much potential good?” he asked. “Why can’t we look at what we have in common even as we understand and appreciate and are honest about our differences?”

The following day, White spoke at the Memphis Islamic Center, where similar dialogue about the Muslim and Christian faiths took place, with White—while complimenting Qadhi’s expertise and influence on his studies—explaining concepts such as the Trinity, original sin and the imputation of righteousness through Christ.

CONCERNS ARISE

Howse

Several weeks ago, Brannon Howse, host of Worldview Weekend, discovered the footage of the event and expressed concern that an Islamic imam was brought into a church for dialogue. Howse regularly speaks and writes about Muslim issues and terrorism both on his radio broadcast and website, in addition to discussing various false doctrines in the Church.

“Preach the gospel, but do not give them a platform to deceive the American people, and most importantly, the Church,” he said in a broadcast on June 11, which featured guests Usama Dakdok, an Egyptian-born Christian who had been schooled in Islam as a youth, and Sharam Hadian, a former Muslim turned pastor.

Howse pointed to 2 John 1:9-11, which he said would admonish White not to “give [Qadhi] a greeting of spiritual solidarity, [or] say you’re kindred spirits, [or] say you’re seeking common ground.” He said that White should apologize and express regret for holding the event at a church.

“We’re calling you to repent. Humble yourself,” Howse declared. “I believe [there is] damage you’re doing to Muslims, to non-believers, to Christians, to the gospel of Jesus Christ.”

Hadian also expressed concern about those that Qadhi is associated with, including controversial Brooklyn imam Siraj Wahhaj, who is considered to be a jihadist. Qadhi has also appeared at events with Linda Sarsour, one of the organizers of the Washington Women’s March, who expressed her hope earlier this month that “when we stand up to those who oppress our communities, that Allah accepts from us that as a form of jihad.”

“When he says, ‘We have kindred spirits,’ ‘He’s my mentor,’ ‘You’ve taught me much,’ ‘I’m learning from you,’ you’re endorsing someone who is denying Christ and is operating by the anti-Christ spirit,” Hadian contended.

Williams

Dr. Gregory Williams, pastor of The Cross Church in the Washington, D.C. metro area, also took to social media to express his objection to White’s interfaith dialogue, writing in part:

“Any Christian that supports James White having an interfaith dialogue with a Muslim in the church show that they cannot be trusted with protecting the flock or the gospel. They, along with James White, show that they do not take seriously the evil of false religions. They believe you can bring satanic false religions into body of Christ and have a dialogue about getting along. This is ridiculous. It clearly contradicts biblical teaching.”

Williams additionally posted 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 as an admonition, which reads in part, “What accord has Christ with Belial? Or what portion does a believer share with an unbeliever? What agreement has the temple of God with idols?”

WHITE AND QADHI DEFEND THE DIALOGUE

White has repeatedly defended the event as contention over the matter continues to stir, stating that there was nothing unbiblical or compromising about his actions. In responding to Williams, he contended that 2 Corinthians 6:14-18 does not apply to dialoguing with and witnessing to Muslims.

“If discussing differences in beliefs means we are ‘unequally yoked,’ then all witnessing encounters would fall under this condemnation, would they not?” White asked. “Was Paul unequally yoked with the philosophers and religious men on Mars Hill? With his unbelieving opponents in the synagogue? How about in business? If Paul had to buy animal hides from unbelievers to make his tents, was he ‘unequally yoked?'”

“Clearly, the only way to interpret Paul’s words has to do with specifically religious and spiritual activities where there is a need for *commonality of faith* to accomplish the ends, such as, for example, evangelism, church planting, etc.,” he said.

White posited that his critics overlook that the event, while at a church, was held on a weekday outside of regular service hours, and was a ticketed event only for those interested.

“It fits the ‘meme’ better for people to assume it was a Sunday morning service and an Imam was invited to preach the sermon,” he said.

Williams responded by stating that White had made the “wrong assumption” that he and others believed the event was held during the Sunday service, and that “it makes no difference regarding what time it was held or on what day.”

He also noted that he was “not arguing that Christians cannot engage [with] Muslims” nor was he “asserting that it is wrong for Christians to interact in general or worldly affairs with Muslims or unbelievers,” but rather referring only to bringing false religions into the church. Williams said that White’s example of Paul’s visit to Mars Hill was faulty.

“No, Paul was not unequally yoked with the philosophers and religious men on Mars Hill; neither did the Apostle Paul reach out to a church and ask them to give a satanic religion and its representative a platform in their place of worship in the front of believers and unbelievers,” Williams wrote.

White additionally directly addressed Howse, claiming that Howse’s “ignorance is being used” by a “powerful group” with a political and financial agenda that seeks to stop such dialogue.

“There are people in our society today that are very intent on building huge walls between Christians and Muslims, making sure we do not have any conversations with one another. That, of course, ends any meaningful evangelism,” White said. “As Christians, we should be people who are laying down our lives to reach the lost, including those from false religious systems.”

He additionally refuted Howse’s interpretation of 2 John 1:9-11 in a blog post, writing, “[T]his passage teaches us to examine the doctrine of Christian teachers and to not give a basis for operation in our communities for those who are not orthodox in their teaching. Likewise, we can see the text has nothing at all to do with doing debates, outreaches, or even dialogues with those of other religious faiths.”

“Attempting to apply this text to non-compromising outreaches, interactions, debates, etc., is clearly a misuse of the passage in its original context,” White contended.

Howse has responded with a number of social media and blog posts, denying that there are any forces behind him in coming forward with his concerns, and that reaching out to Qadhi to help Christians understand Islam “is like asking Glenn Beck to make a video for Christians to better understand Mormonism.”

“Publicly apologize and repent for your interfaith dialogue with Yasir and for saying you sense a kindred spirit with him, giving a platform for his antichrist religion, and asking him to make a video from which Christians can learn about Islam,” he wrote on July 12.

Qadhi himself has also posted online about the matter in defense of White, who he said has been the target of “severe online character assassination and smear campaigns” for hosting a Muslim at a church.

“I cannot deny that one of the reasons any Muslim would talk about Islam in front of a non-Muslim audience is to demonstrate the beauty of Islam, and hope that some amongst them find in it the true message that Jesus himself preached,” he wrote in part. “And I know full well that Mr. White’s intentions, which he has expressed explicitly, was to hope that some Muslims convert as they listen to him explain Christianity.”

Brown

“I would be happy if any Christian who listened to my lecture converted,” Qadhi also acknowledged. “But if they choose not to convert, that’s their business to decide, and Allah’s to judge. It is not my duty to do anything more than speak.”

Others also came to White’s defense, including Charismatic columnist Dr. Michael Brown and host of “The Line of Fire,” who is a friend of White’s and is sometimes questioned by Christians for his ties to Benny Hinn and those in the New Apostolic Reformation (NAR). Brown opined that the dialogue helped to educate Christians so that they can knowledgeably witness to Muslims, now knowing what they believe.

“It appears, … that White’s unforgivable sin was that he chose Dr. Yasir Qadhi as his partner in dialogue, since Qadhi is a very conservative Muslim. But isn’t that the one you want to talk with? Don’t we want to hear things out of the horse’s mouth?” Brown asked in an article entitled “Why the Hysterical Attack on James White for His Interfaith Dialogue?”

“That’s called getting accurate information out,” he said, “and as someone who has also studied Islam, even in the primary sources in Arabic, I can assure you that Qadhi accurately represented the beliefs of many millions of Muslims.”

“[S]houldn’t we try to engage such people with the good news?” Brown inquired. “And shouldn’t we do our best to understand what they actually believe? Aren’t there enough misconceptions floating around already? Why not get clarity, especially from the lips of a Muslim leader?”

THE CONCERNS CONTINUE

But some believe that instead of utilizing a Muslim sheikh to help Christians understand the Islamic faith, White could have selected a number of former Muslims now serving Christ to share the same information, but from a biblical worldview.

Woods

“If you really wanted to educate [Christians] about Islam, the person who you bring in is not someone who is a believer in an anti-Christ theology,” Andy Woods, the senior pastor of Sugar Land Bible Church in Texas and president of Chafer Theological Seminary in New Mexico, told Christian News Network. “We would never bring in a Mormon or a Jehovah’s Witness to teach Christians about Mormonism and Jehovah’s Witnesses; you bring in an ex-Mormon and an ex-Jehovah’s Witness who can analyze the system through the lens of truth.”

“So, I can think of a lot of really good people he could have brought in to educate the Christian public who are former Muslims that are now born-again Christians, but that’s not what he’s doing,” Wood opined. “He’s bringing in someone who is actually still an adherent of the anti-Christ theology.”

He said that hosting the event outside of regular service times as a separate ticketed event did not ameliorate the matter. He also disagreed with White’s citation of Mars Hill as being an example of why the interfaith dialogue was Scripturally permissible, and said that it was rather a comparison of apples to oranges.

“First of all, Paul is outside the walls of the church on his missionary journeys. [And] he doesn’t give them an opportunity to preach in his planted churches,” Wood said. “He’s out there where they are, and how does he end that presentation on Mars Hill? He ends it with a testimony about Jesus Christ, His resurrection from the dead, [that] He’s coming back to judge the living and dead, and Paul says in Acts 17, … [God] commands all men everywhere to repent.”

“So, he doesn’t say, ‘I’m a kindred spirit with you,’ or ‘You’re my mentor,’ he calls them out of their false belief system into the truth,” he explained. “And obviously, Paul on Mars Hill is not giving them equal time within a church.”

As the debate over the matter continues—even weeks later, others have also entered the discussion, including radio host Janet Mefferd, Christian musician turned pastor Steve Camp, and an elder of John McArthur’s Grace Community Church.

“We would not sanction a public dialogue with a Muslim imam, or any other person with an agenda to teach false religion, at Grace Community Church,” Grace Community Church Elder Chris Hamilton wrote in a response to an inquiry from Howse. “But neither are we sympathetic to the lynch-mob mentality that seems determined to use a disagreement such as this to discredit years of faithful ministry by Dr. White.”

Howse says he rather believes that some Christians are wrongfully considering certain leaders as being off-limits for discussion or criticism, no matter the error. He stated that he finds it hypocritical that some will denounce Rick Warren’s bridge-building with Muslims—who signed the “Common Word” document in 2007 and spoke before the Muslim Public Affairs Council in 2008—while rebuking those who express concerns about White’s interfaith dialogue.

White has engaged in debates with Muslims in the past, but explained this time that while Qadhi did not desire to debate, he was willing to have a dialogue about the similarities and differences between Islam and Christianity.


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  • Amos Moses – He>i

    /SMH ………….. the power of the word of God is to convert the unconverted ………. this was not done at a church service ….. it was not asking non-believers to a service ….. which MANY churches do with regularity …… and it is wrong …… the sanctuary is just a building ….. it is not the “church” …..

    but the Gospel WAS spoken by Dr. White ….. clearly and without regard to opposition to it …….. sorry …. i just do not get the uproar over this ……….. the Great Commission is to preach the Gospel in every corner of the earth …. even in churches that are wrong and even in mosques …… and this was done ……….. /SMH ………..

    • MCrow

      Rare that we agree, but I do in this case. If you are confident in your faith, as you and Dr. White are, then you should not have any fear of someone speaking openly about their religion

    • SolaD

      This was done IN the Lord’s house. Sadly the service should have been the gospel preaching to unredeemed sitting IN the service being subject to the truth- not the lies of a false gospel. -SMH- So, ‘kindred spirit’ also? -SMH- This was an ecumenical enterprise. Why not hold a service that invites muslims specifically to hear the gospel message instead of giving them a voice? THAT is the Great Commission- to preach the gospel alone and NOT partake with evil ones. Again, the defense of a man over scripture is appalling.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        no …. this was not a church service ….. the building is just a building ….. Gods church is the BODY OF CHRIST ….. the ecclesia – the ONES CALLED OUT ……… a church which the builders rejected with Christ as the cornerstone ……… there are no walls to Christs church …..

        • SolaD

          So, Grace Bible Church is not the Lord’s house? Let me use some BIG LETTERS NOW SO YOU SEE THIS- SMH- White is in error. He needs to repent of ‘engaging’ evil and allowing an apostate to ‘share’ his false gospel INSIDE the LORD’S house. You are not agreeing with what God’s Word states and instead you defend man over Christ Jesus. ’nuff bantering with one who has no ears to hear. Stand before CHrist and explain to him why the muslim message was proclaimed IN His house and there was fellowship with the dark. MAYBE THEN YOU WILL SEE. Goodbye defender of man.

          • David Mason

            Acts 7:48 – Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands, as the prophet says,

            “‘Heaven is my throne,
            and the earth is my footstool.
            What kind of house will you build for me, says the Lord,
            or what is the place of my rest?
            Did not my hand make all these things?’

            God does does not dwell in buildings. His Spirit dwells in his body, which is the hearts of his people. Your obsession with buildings is boarder line idolatry.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            the CHURCH is the BODY OF CHRIST ….. not a BUILDING ………

          • SolaD

            “And said unto them, It is written, My House shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a Den of Thieves.” Jesus- Matt.21:13 SHOW respect in the Lord’s House.
            “Guard your Steps when you go to the House of God. To draw near to listen is better than to offer the sacrifice of fools, for they do not know that they are doing Evil.” Ecc. 5:1,
            “if I delay, you may know how one Ought to Behave in the Household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth.” 1 Tim.3:15

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Acts 7:48 – Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands, as the prophet says,
            ‘Heaven is My throne,
            And earth is the footstool of My feet;
            What kind of house will you build for Me?’ says the Lord,
            ‘Or what place is there for My repose? ‘Was it not My hand which made all these things?’

            1 Cor. 6:19 – Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God?

            Mat 21:42 Jesus saith unto them, Did ye never read in the scriptures, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner: this is the Lord’s doing, and it is marvellous in our eyes?

            Mark 12:10 And have ye not read this scripture; The stone which the builders rejected is become the head of the corner:

            Luke 20:17 And he beheld them, and said, What is this then that is written, The stone which the builders rejected, the same is become the head of the corner?

            Acts 4:11 This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.

            Eph 2:20 And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone;

            1Pet 2:6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on him shall not be confounded.

          • Paula Coyle

            Wow Jesus drove the merchants out of Grace Bible Church?!?! WHO KNEW!!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “You are not agreeing with what God’s Word states and instead you defend man over Christ Jesus.”

            i am defending Gods word ……. and it was just a building …….. there was no CHURCH that day ….. it was a TUESDAY ………..

          • SolaD

            And said unto them, It is written, My House shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have made it a Den of Thieves.” Jesus- Matt.21:13 SHOW respect in the Lord’s House.

            “Guard your Steps when you go to the House of God. To draw near to listen is better than to offer the sacrifice of fools, for they do not know that they are doing Evil.” Ecc. 5:1,

            “if I delay, you may know how one Ought to Behave in the Household of God, which is the church of the living God, a pillar and buttress of the truth.” 1 Tim.3:15

          • Paula Coyle

            household of God = family of God = people, not building. Do you mean to say that people should only behave inside the building?

            In the OT, the physical “house of God” was the temple. Are you equating Grace Bible Church with the Temple?

          • SolaD

            Well Paula, that is just ridiculous. Do you think then one should set up a bar on the side of the pews and serve beers and vodka cause it’s just a building? Have ye not read, “Jesus said, “It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer” -Matthew 21: 13; Isaiah 56:7? Does Tuesday make a church a ‘building’ and not the house of the Lord? It is written, “I will be sanctified in them that come nigh me, and before all the people I will be glorified” -Leviticus 10:3 Temple/Church- House of God. It is written, “Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord” Leviticus 19:30. God tell us to not profane what is holy including his house- this is called reverence. What day of the week did Jesus drive out the moneychangers? Sunday? Saturday? Tuesday? What church buildings did they have back then? eh? The Lord took proper observance and avoidance of secular goings on in the temple very seriously. Are you saying houses of worship are different today?It is clear there is NO respect for the Lord’s House/the assembing together today. It has become a den of thieves, a place to entertainment, an education center, a Broadway show etc. Clearly is the last days when one can bring ‘the first church of Satan’ into a place that is the house of the Lord. Compromisers… compromisers.. yes that is what it is. NO respect for the Lord. Period. Go on refute this for YOUR sake- one day standing before Jesus He will tell you otherwise!! Prayers! Blind people!

          • SolaD

            Well Paula, that is just ridiculous. Do you think then one should set up a bar on the side of the pews and serve beers and vodka cause it’s just a building? Have ye not read, “Jesus said, “It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer” -Matthew 21: 13; Isaiah 56:7? Does Tuesday make a church a ‘building’ and not the house of the Lord? It is written, “I will be sanctified in them that come nigh me, and before all the people I will be glorified” -Leviticus 10:3 Temple/Church- House of God. It is written, “Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord” Leviticus 19:30. God tell us to not profane what is holy including his house- this is called reverence. What day of the week did Jesus drive out the moneychangers? Sunday? Saturday? Tuesday? What church buildings did they have back then? eh? The Lord took proper observance and avoidance of secular goings on in the temple very seriously. Are you saying houses of worship are different today?It is clear there is NO respect for the Lord’s House/the assembing together today. It has become a den of thieves, a place to entertainment, an education center, a Broadway show etc. Clearly is the last days when one can bring ‘the first church of Satan’ into a place that is the house of the Lord. Compromisers… compromisers.. yes that is what it is. NO respect for the Lord. Period. Go on refute this for YOUR sake- one day standing before Jesus He will tell you otherwise!! Prayers!

          • SolaD

            Well Paula, that is just ridiculous. Do you think then one should set up a bar on the side of the pews and serve beers and vodka cause it’s just a building? Have ye not read, “Jesus said, “It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer” -Matthew 21: 13; Isaiah 56:7? Does Tuesday make a church a ‘building’ and not the house of the Lord? It is written, “I will be sanctified in them that come nigh me, and before all the people I will be glorified” -Leviticus 10:3 Temple/Church- House of God. It is written, “Ye shall keep my sabbaths, and reverence my sanctuary: I am the Lord” Leviticus 19:30. God tell us to not profane what is holy including his house- this is called reverence. What day of the week did Jesus drive out the moneychangers? Sunday? Saturday? Tuesday? What church buildings did they have back then? The Lord took proper observance and avoidance of secular goings on in the temple very seriously. Are you saying houses of worship are different today?It is clear there is NO respect for the Lord’s House/the assembing together today. It has become a den of thieves, a place to entertainment, an education center, a Broadway show etc. Clearly is the last days when one can bring ‘the first church of Satan’ into a place that is the house of the Lord. Compromisers… compromisers.. yes that is what it is. NO respect for the Lord. Period. Go on refute this for YOUR sake- one day standing before Jesus He will tell you otherwise!! Prayers! Blind people!

          • SolaD

            he Lord took proper observance and avoidance of secular goings on in the temple very seriously. Are you saying houses of worship are different today?It is clear there is NO respect for the Lord’s House/the assembing together today. It has become a den of thieves, a place to entertainment, an education center, a Broadway show etc. Clearly is the last days when one can bring ‘the first church of Satan’ into a place that is the house of the Lord. Compromisers… compromisers.. yes that is what it is. NO respect for the Lord. Period. Go on refute this for YOUR sake- one day standing before Jesus He will tell you otherwise!! Prayers! Blind people!

          • Paula Coyle

            “So, Grace Bible Church is not the Lord’s house?”
            No, it’s not if you are referring to the physical structure. Not any more than the Mosque also belongs to God, because he owns all things.
            Why don’t you ask them?

        • Sasak

          And the Imam was brought before Christ’s sheep and allowed to preach to them about Islam, allowed to blaspheme Christ unchallenged for over an hour! Therefore the wolf was brought in to address the Church, the Body of Christ! Shepherds are suppose to protect the sheep from wolves, not invite them in to preach their damnable doctrines!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ummmm ……… there was no “preaching” ….. it was a public conversation …….. and you obviously have not watched the video ……..

          • Paula Coyle

            So tiresome isn’t it?

          • Jayessaych

            It was not a church service. It was in a church building.

          • Paula Coyle

            And there was a second night where James explained the gospel in the mosque.

        • Numa Newbern

          CORRECT, >>>> CALLED OUT ONES <<<< now so called "christian" experts are BRINGING ANTI-CHRISTS into the gatherings of the "CALLED OUT ONES" The so called pastor that allowed this should be thrown OUT of his position UNLESS he publicly Repents, IF I was in this place I would leave and try to take as many with me as I could.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            it was not a church service ……… it was a tuesday …….. just because christians show up at a baseball game ….. does not make it a service ….. it was a discussion …..

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        Presented on January 24, 2017 @ Grace Bible Church (Mississippi)

        it was a TUESDAY ….. so NOT a church service …………….

      • Sasak

        Amen SolaD… Totally appalling!

      • Jim Blainey

        Still fashioning idols out of buildings that are unnecessary, extrabibical, and didn’t exist for the first 300 years of church history, I see. So the Great Commission in your Bible reads, “Go into all the world* and preach the Gospel to every creature.”

        * except for buildings Christians will use hundreds of years from now that will sit empty and unused for 95% of the time

      • Paula Coyle

        Yet the Most High does not dwell in houses made by hands, as the prophet says,
        49“‘Heaven is my throne,
        and the earth is my footstool.
        What kind of house will you build for me, says the Lord,
        or what is the place of my rest?
        50Did not my hand make all these things?’
        51“You stiff-necked people, uncircumcised in heart and ears, you always resist the Holy Spirit. As your fathers did, so do you.

    • Faithwalker

      I so agree Amos.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        😉

    • Paladin Roy

      Ok. So it’s JUST a building. So why can’t White go to the muslim synagogue to debate??????? … Because the damned muslim synagogue is held as sacred ??? Pathetic fools follow white as well as muslims !!!

      • David Mason

        You obviously didnt read the article! The very next day, White spoke at Qhadi’s Islamic center, where he shared the gospel. White has debated muslims in numerous countries.

        • Michael Anthony

          Yeah….if your idea of ‘sharing the Gospel’ is to see ‘what we have in common’ ala White’s approach. This was not a repent and be saved proclamation of the Gospel, it was a ‘let’s see how we can get along lovefest’. Exactly what fellowship does God have with Belial?
          You fools, muslims a x 10 as cunning as you idiotic Christians.

          • LintonCaldecott

            You’re in error. They did not approach this to find common ground. For goodness sakes man, they state this at the outset!

          • Michael Anthony

            Really? And he had an altar call at the muslim centre did he?

          • LintonCaldecott

            Yes. The whole dialogue, both actually. They RECOGNISE that conservative theists have things in common. Views on gender, creation etc. They didn’t engage in an effort to find common theological ground and erase differences. Dr. White stated that there is a CHASM between us

          • Michael Anthony

            Linton, Lying for Jesus is not a virtue. First you say [Quote] ‘they did not approach this to find common ground’ and the very next sentence you say [quote] ‘They RECOGNISE that conservative theists have things in common. Wow…just wow…

            You contradicted yourself immediately. Good luck finding common ground with the moon god. Your delusion is open for all to see.

          • LintonCaldecott

            Identifying and being aware of things held in common is TOTALLY different from seeking ways to compromise truth to gain common theological ground!

          • Michael Anthony

            I am sure that if I try hard enough I will find that I have plenty in common with serial killers on certain issues, except the mutilation/beheading bit…

          • Numa Newbern

            We have ZERO in common with islam, there is supposed to be a CHASM. We are not supposed to build a bridge with antichrist theology.
            AMEN, and AMEN, that stood to be repeated, can’t mix ice cream with excrement.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            They do not hold common ground on gender or creation. Muslims do not believe that Jesus Christ is the Creator, and they believe the female gender is inferior. Then again, perhaps James White is in sync with those beliefs.

          • LintonCaldecott

            If you can’t recognize that there are things in common I think it’s due to prejudice. Sure, the items in common will not be in 100% lock step, but there are areas of overlap. Conservative Muslims agree that there are 2 genders, that homosexual marriage is not something we should celebrate, etc. It’s not that hard to see, man, really. And it certainly isn’t something to call a minister of the gospel an apostate or heretic over.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            So do Mormons. Why don’t you invite them to teach your congregation about Mormonism? So do J-witnesses. How about inviting those cult members for dialogue?

          • LintonCaldecott

            You show me the biblical Foundation for an altar call, please. He clearly proclaimed the gospel and got to explain in great technical detail many truths. An altar call saves no one, they are saved in spite of the call not because of it.

          • Michael Anthony

            ‘altar call’ was figurative. Your’e splitting hairs here, you know exactly what I mean.

          • LintonCaldecott

            No, I don’t.
            The gospel was proclaimed clearly. The necessity for repentance and faith was laid out, especially on the second night.

          • Michael Anthony

            Yes you do. Please refer the readers to the exact link of audio/time where James White preached the gospel to muslims in their own cultural centre/mosque.
            Next you will be telling us they allow Christians to build churches in Saudi Arabia.

          • LintonCaldecott

            Do you mean at any time, or specifically during these dialogues that are in such dispute?

          • Michael Anthony

            If James White ‘proclaimed the gospel clearly’ to a church audience full of saved people during this “interfaith dialogue” what good is that then?

            Please give us the link of an audio or video of James White ‘proclaiming the gospel clearly’ in a mosque or muslim cultural centre to a muslim audience as a result of this interfaith dialogue or otherwise. Please stop being so dense, you know exactly what is being asked for.

          • LintonCaldecott

            Is there a need to be insulting? Why do you assume dishonesty on my part? If you want to be insulting, find another person, and we can just end this discussion.

            You asked for timecodes where James White preached the gospel to muslims in their own cultural centre/mosque.

            So, in order to try to find what you want, I want to know some specifics.
            1. are you asking for discussions in ANY mosque, or (because of your saudi arabia comment) do you want instances in closed countries where he did this (I am assuming not, but assumption is bad).
            2. are you asking for timecodes within these specific dialogues, or in any of his debates.

            If your position is that he has not clearly proclaimed the gospel and defended the faith in Mosques, then it is obvious that you haven’t watched any of his debates and you have not watched the dialogues, and you shouldn’t be on the attack like this when you are so clearly ignorant of the facts. I don’t use the word ignorant to insult, it would just appear to be true that you are without knowledge in this area specifically.

          • Michael Anthony

            So let’s try and understand this – You can ignore the sacrilegious act of allowing a muslim brotherhood sympathiser to proselytize Islam in a church because jackpot!…James White debates Muslims in a whatever setting. But wait, Islam burns down churches, beheads Christians, charges a zizya tax for unbelievers in their counties and forbids churches in certain Muslim countries. Since when has this antichrist religion been so accommodating? Do you honestly, really, really think that suddenly they want to have a ‘honest discussion’ about anything? This is where evangelicals became useful idiots, what better person to be an ambassador for islam than James White? He becomes their best marketing department without knowing, espousing the virtues of ‘moderate islam’ and how islam is ‘misunderstood’ and if we just have ‘dialogue’ there will be peace on earth.

            Guys like Dr Peter Hammond who has a much better grasp of Islam than White ever will (and has written some of the best books on the subject) has publicly debated top Muslims clerics all over but never will he allow a Muslim to address his flock in his church. That’s the difference between an actual missionary who has peached the Gospel in Muslim countries and in actual war zones were Christians are persecuted and has seen islam’s real face as opposed to arrogant academics who think they understand the real nature of islam. Has White ever lived in a Muslim country?? When you see islam’s treatment of Christians here in Africa maybe you will understand, but I doubt it. You do not understand their cunning or shrewdness.

            Show me one clear preaching of the Gospel by James White in a mosque etc where muslims have been saved, show me a testimony. I will direct to many muslims that have been saved through the plain preaching of the Gospel, not through academic debates.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’ve never read how Stephen and Peter preached, have you?

          • LintonCaldecott

            Yes, that’s right, I’ve never read the bible… good one, you got me

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You clearly don’t know how Stephen and Peter preached.

        • Paula Coyle

          “White has debated muslims in numerous countries.” Yes, exactly. IN MOSQUES. Sad when Muslims are acting more open to debate and dialogue than Christians.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        ummmm ………. THEY DID …the next night in MEMPHIS ….

      • Bob Johnson

        Muslims go to mosques
        Jews go to synagogues

      • Drifter

        LOL we have hosted dialogues in masjid before, and the next day Dr White spoke in the masjid. There was no single uproar by muslims and we are not even discussing it we were like ok he had a discussion there, so whats in the discussion etc.I am sure most of us forgot that the dialogue given that it happened a month or 2 ago. The only people who lost their sleep are couple of Christians. The prophet of Islam hosted christian missionaries from Yemen during his time in masjid and had discussion there. LOLZ you are really off the water when you talk about islam and its legacy or heritage. We hold masjid as sacred but it doesnt mean that we cant have other people coming in and expressing their views and listening ours.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          And how many Muslims converted to Christ?

          • LintonCaldecott

            So, if no one converted then it was of no worth?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            What were the fruits of what he did?

          • 5pointer

            The Gospel was proclaimed. His word does not return void.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            How was the gospel proclaimed?

          • 5pointer

            You either did not watch the full video or are deaf. Either way, I can’t make you hear what you’re determined to not listen to.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Did you see the entire event at both locations? The gospel was not proclaimed.

          • LintonCaldecott

            Numerous detailed conversations were had between Christians and Muslims following the discussions, the gospel got to be discussed further and hopefully relationships formed in which people can more openly share the reason for the hope within them.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Dude, relationships don’t save people. Jesus Christ saves people.

          • 5pointer

            The same way anyone is converted to Christ. Through grace and faith upon God who breathes life into dead sinners in rebellion and makes them alive in Christ. The who is not important.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I didn’t say who or how. I asked how many.

          • Jim Blainey

            How many Christians converted to Islam?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Sounds like quite a few of them, you for one, since you’re here apologizing for them.

      • LintonCaldecott

        Wow. You literally rave against something about which you have proven you are 100% ignorant. Time to repent I think?

      • Paula Coyle

        dude. The 2nd night was held at the mosque nearby.

  • Charles Hadden

    I got a few minutes into the video and when White says, “I am a student of Islam,” I had to croak. Evil communications corrupt good manners. Goodbye, heretic.

    • Fred Butler

      And what a ridiculous conclusion to draw. Good grief.

    • Jayessaych

      Are you kidding? How do you expect to learn about anything without being a student of it? How do you think Dr. White became so well versed when dealing with Mormonism? With Roman Catholics? He was a student of those religions and learned what they *actually* taught instead of charictaturing them. Why is it that it’s only with his Islamic studies that he is a heretic? What orthodox Christian belief has he denounced?

      Words mean things.

      • Sasak

        There are plenty of ex-Muslim men who are now Christians who would be willing to teach JW. He should not pick a practicing Muslim Imam to teach him, particularly since lying is permissible in Islam.

        • Jim Blainey

          Are they really ex-Muslims? Or are the still Muslims practicing Taqiya? So what if the ex-Muslims on Brannon Howse’s show (who were the ones who brought up James White in the first place!!!) did this to get Howse to start a fight with White? And what if their plan was to cause division in the church and undermine Gospel ITSELF!!! And Howse was the useful idiot all along!!!!

          Dun Dun Dun.

          Better get you tin foil hat on.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again …. ummmmmm ……. OUCH ……………..

            Sharam Hadian and Usama Dakdok ………….. good point …………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re not a former Muslim, are you? There are plenty who have been jailed in their countries for standing up for the Gospel, and some have now come to the west. My fellowship has many who bear in their bodies marks for the sake of Christ. They do a better job standing up for the gospel than James White has.

    • David Pauley

      White DIDN’T mean that he was a follower or advocate of Islam. All he meant by that statement was that he has studied it in order to know better how to evangelize Muslims with the Gospel, in order to know better how to correct their errors with the truth of Scripture.

      While I don’t agree with White having this dialogue, that doesn’t give you a right to misread and misunderstand the meaning behind his words and then to condemn him based on your inability to get the context of what he said.

      You have infused your own meaning into what he said, a meaning not intended by White, and then condemned White based on your own misunderstanding.

      You need to learn better how to understand the meaning of words set in their proper context.

      • Sasak

        He said he was a kindred spirit with Qadhi, he said that we Christians are going to NEED muslim’s to come along side us and help us fight secularism. He said to the antichrist, “you honor us with your presence”…. When have any of God’s saints ever done such a thing with the false religions around them! It’s a terrible sin what White has done!

        • mattstar1980

          Amen, Sasak.

        • Jim Blainey

          Since you don’t think context matters, allow me to reply to your post.

          Sasak said, “He…was a…spirit…that…fight…the…antichrist…with your presence…when…any of…the false religions…NEVER…tried before. By the…well that should have been big. None…have…done this before!”

          Hmmm. That’s interesting point, especially about the big well. I’ll have to consider this and get back to you.

        • Bob Johnson

          Your use of the phrase “a kindred spirit” reminded me of Frank Frazetta’s painting “Stranded”

      • Charles Hadden

        You don’t ‘dialogue’ with the devil. You either resist him or preach the gospel to an unsaved soul. There’s no way to gain the respect intellectually of a Mohammedan. I’ve tried and I’ve known many who have tried and failed. There is no ‘equal and respectable’ platform. You preach Truth and let the Spirit work and don’t acknowledge or hear out heresy in any way, shape or form. Every other method is an invitation to disaster. Not many gospel warriors in this discussion, I see.

    • LintonCaldecott

      Heretic? Those are strong words against a Christian minister and elder in a local church, you should demonstrate his heresy or you need to repent of your ridiculous statement.

      • LucyBlue

        That’s exactly what he has become!

        • LintonCaldecott

          What doctrine does he deny, or what doctrine does he falsely teach?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            How about when he mocks the KVJ Bible? The man is clueless when he goes into the etymological aspects of it. He tries so hard to be edgy that he misses the essence of the Word of God.

          • LintonCaldecott

            He has never mocked the KJV Bible. How ridiculous. Though I suppose for many who hear him say that it isn’t the only English version we should use, hear that as mockery. The very fact that you think he is a heretic because of his refusal to be KJV only shows that this KJV is an idol to you.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I never mentioned being KJV-only and in fact, I am not. I am referring specifically to his mockery of the KJV. He is hardly an etymologist, and often gives a poor portrayal of translation results. He also frequently mispronounces words while he’s trying to sound light a high-handed expert. It’s sad, really.

      • Charles Hadden

        You respect the man, I’ll respect the Word.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          i respect the Word …. and this man has more respect for the word than most supposed christians i am aware of …………. he holds i think two degrees from different christian universities ….. and is about to enter a doctoral program …. not that those degrees make him right ….. or even better than anyone else …..

          • Sasak

            No he disobeyed the Word!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no …. he did not …. and you cannot show a scripture IN CONTEXT that shows he did …………

        • LintonCaldecott

          By your logic if you have learned anything outside of biblical revelation you are a heretic.

          • Charles Hadden

            So you have said.

    • adrienne thompson

      I have to agree, if White were a true student of Islam he would not be having a dialogue with a radical Imam in a public event setting inside a church.

    • Too bad you didn’t keep listening. Then you’d be educated on what he meant by that.

    • Equalscale

      Christians apologists study the religion that they seek to refute. Let me guess..you would just ignorantly shout at a Muslim without learning a single thing they believe? You wouldn’t even read the Quran

      • Reason2012

        Studying what they believe is one thing. Inviting them to speak to Christians, let alone in a place where Christians worship to declare their rejection of Christ, where they can declare to all their anti-Christ doctrines, to tell Christians to be friends with them, to in effect invite them into their homes (which is what you do with friends) even though they openly reject Christ is something else entirely.

        “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
        2 John 1:9-11

        “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?”
        2 Corinthians 6:14

      • Sasak

        Why not learn about Islam from men who were raised Muslim’s who were practicing Imam’s who have now become Christians?

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        A former Muslim now converted to Christ would know more about the topic than James White would. The Qur’ans that are translated into English are not the real Qur’an. They are watered down westernized versions that seek to fool the west into thinking there is a softer version of Islam. James White is not qualified to discuss the topic. There are plenty of former Muslims who would happily have taken the task and done a far better job.

      • Numa Newbern

        The Koran JUST LIKE 99.9% of so called “Christian” best sellers is Spiritual Pornography, There is ONLY ONE THING I need to know about their religion, they deny that the Creator has a Son, THUS they are ANTI-Biblical thus ANTI-Christ and follow the SAME Spirit as Jehovah’s Witnesses, my family physician is a Muslim, I have witnessed to him and befriended him as a individual, BUT don’t need or desire to “LEARN” ANY doctrine that doesn’t have it’s ORIGIN coming from ANYWHERE than Heaven itself. BTW, For sure, will NEVER read a Satanically designed book supposedly that it’s origin is from a Angel, certainly would not buy one, BTW, there is a verse about such if you care to read the New Testament. Joel Osteen, books materials I put on the same plane, ANY book that gives it’s readers a FALSE and/or ALTERED image of God OTHER than the scriptures are heretical.

  • Jayessaych

    1. I don’t see what is so special about a building owned by a church outside of being a place where worship services are held. Seems to me people are bordering on idolatry with how highly they’re being held.

    2. Great, bring in an ex-Muslim to teach… how many actual Muslims will you reach with the gospel? Which mosque will invite you in to explain the Gospel and what Christianity *actually* is?

    3. I really don’t understand why you can’t learn from the source (i.e.- why is it bad to learn about Mormonism from Glenn Beck?) Either people are scared of “Christians” falling away or there is a bigotry inside them which they won’t admit to. Funnily, I thought that Christ wouldn’t lose any of His sheep, so any who would convert are just as hell-bound as they were in the beginning.

  • Dan Phillips

    Thanks for a very thorough, well-researched piece.

  • As a person who has watched many of Dr. Whites debates, as well as the dialogue he had with Qhadi, I can assure you, he is not, nor has he ever, watered down the gospel, or blurred the lines between Christianity and Islam. The entire purpose of the dialogue was to make sure they understood our beliefs properly, and that we understood theirs. You have to understand what someone believes, to be able to have a two way conversation. Muslims don’t understand our Trinity. They think we worship three gods. Dr. White not only got to explain doctrines to them, he also shared the gospel. If Muslims hear the gospel and get saved, they would be able to take the gospel to their neighbors and friends in ways you might not be able to.

    • LucyBlue

      He says that he and Qhadi have a ‘kindred spirit’ ~ If you were to add one drop of poison to a glass of pure water, it would render it no more a glass of pure water; but a glass of poisoned water. What he has done has undermined his life’s work. He is no longer credible. He has just confused the Gospel for many.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        no ….. this ‘kindred spirit’ refered to is one of CONSISTENCY …… that if you are a christian …. that your views be consistent and grounded in SCRIPTURE …. and mr.Q demands of muslims that they be CONSISTENT in islam ….. now as Dr. White said ….. you can be consistent and WRONG ….. as muslims are …… but that is what was refered to …….. and nothing else ………

      • Sasak

        Agree Lucy Blue! It’s outrageous to declare a kindred spirit with an antichrist.

      • Jim Blainey

        LucyBlue said, “add one drop of poison to a glass of pure water”

        Oh my! You’re advocating for murdering someone by poisoning them?

        See why context matters?

      • FoJC

        He me just be speaking the Truth. They indeed may be of a kindred spirit. Most likely he’s just been arguing Scripture, rather than following Jesus by Faith. I don’t know him, nor have heard him, but being led by the Holy Spirit won’t lead a person to commune and fellowship with someone who is antichrist.

  • Reason2012

    We believe that a Christian is a person who has fled to God for His mercy and recognize that He (Jesus) is the only one that God has given to where His righteous is perfect in God’s sight … and that’s why I can have peace with Him,” White said.

    No, Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life, and no one comes to the Father but by Him.
    If we do not honor Jesus we do not honor the Father.

    “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.”
    John 14:6-7

    “That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.”
    John 5:23

    “I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins.”
    John 8:24

    We don’t have peace with God just because Jesus was perfect – but because He is the Way, the Truth and the Life, that no one comes to God but by Him, and we believe on Him as the Only begotten Son of God.

    In response, the Imam calls what Jesus said arrogance.

    “It’s an element of arrogance to say ‘I am going to Heaven and I’m certain about it.’

    No, it’s believing what God / Christ said.

    White also explained during the event that he believes it is permissible to have relationships with Muslims as long as they understand his beliefs and his desire for them to be saved.

    No, while we can witness to those who are not saved, which includes those who follow islam instead of Christ, we are not to have relationships and hang out with those who are unsaved.

    “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?”
    2 Corinthians 6:14

    He said that he prays for Qadhi and that he wants him to bow the knee to Christ, and Qadhi acknowledged that he, conversely, desires for White to embrace Islam.

    The difference. False religions want you to embrace their religion. God wants us to embrace Christ, to believe on Him as the only begotten Son of God, to have a change of mind about sin in general in our life and instead the desire to turn back towards God.

    Qadhi said that even if both sides believe the other is on the path to Hell, Christians and Muslims should still come together despite their differences to fight society’s ills.

    Societies ills are because of sin and rebellion against God. So to think we can fight the consequences of sin and rebellion against God by embracing sinful and rebellious belief systems, acting like they’re just fine makes it seem like Mr. White has very little idea of what God has made plain.

    Qadhi said. “… Can’t we be good neighbors together?

    Behold the deception. When islam rules a country, Christianity will not be allowed to exist. No, islam should not be allowed to flourish in countries where Christians want to live out their faith and not be_killed for it. They flourish under the lie they want to be “friends” until they have a high enough percent to start_killing off everyone else instead. And Mr. White gave him a platform in a Christian church to spread that deception and teach their lies as “God’s truth”, to attack the deity of Christ and salvation through Christ alone.

    while complimenting Qadhi’s expertise and influence on his studies—explaining concepts such as the Trinity, original sin and the imputation of righteousness through Christ.

    “Explaining” those things flies in the face of him pretending you can still be an islamist, as if they’re right with God.

    As Howse points out:

    “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
    2 John 1:9-11

    which shows Mr. White is a partaker of this imam’s evil deeds.

    “When he says, ‘We have kindred spirits,’ ‘He’s my mentor,’ ‘You’ve taught me much,’ ‘I’m learning from you,’ you’re endorsing someone who is denying Christ and is operating by the anti-Christ spirit,” Hadian contended.

    Exactly. Mark false teachers like Mr. White, and avoid them. They disobey what God makes clear on these matters, and he cannot be trusted to teach nor stand up for God’s truth.

    Any church that is following God cannot have Mr. White there to spread his false doctrines and deception, even if it is unintentional.

    • mattstar1980

      You nailed it, God bless you. -M

    • Paula Coyle

      That is what White said. I don’t understand why you are arguing. Maybe you should listen to the dialogue.

      • Reason2012

        No, White allowed a wolf to preach his anti-Christ doctrines to a congregation of born again believers in God. White makes a pretense that we’re to find common ground and be friends. White compliments him for his strong faith in his anti-Christ beliefs when God says not to do so otherwise you’re a partaker of his evil deeds.

        You can follow a man like Mr. White, I’ll follow God and His Word instead.

  • SolaD

    The Iman should have been listening to the gospel rather than sharing his own. This is contrary to 2Cor.6:14 AND 2Jn.9-11. It is preposterous to bring an antiChrist into a church and allow him to render his view on his ‘god’. The point to educate people? Is this what Jesus did? Did he give the podium to the Pharisees and listen intently to learn of them? Seems most stand up for a mere man instead of God’s Worod. Debate that? Go ahead.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      “Did he give the podium to the Pharisees and listen intently to learn of them?”

      the Pharisees questioned Him at length ….. and Christ answered ….. Christ did not have anything to learn from them ….. He had PLENTY to TEACH them …… and if we are going to TEACH muslims about Christ …… then we have to know what they think about Christ ….. and the two scriptures you referenced ……

      6:14 Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?

      OUT OF CONTEXT ….. and there was no “yoking” …… no spiritual enterprise and that refers to individuals ….. and how do you bring light to the muslims darkness if you do not talk to them …..

      1:9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son.
      1:10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:
      1:11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

      again ….. OUT OF CONTEXT …………. the entirety of the world not yet ELECT does not abide that doctrine ….. do we IGNORE the Great Commission …… seriously ………..

      • Reason2012

        the Pharisees questioned Him at length ….. and Christ answered ….. Christ did not have anything to learn from them ….. He had PLENTY to TEACH them ……

        Hello. Consider, however: Christ did not invite the Parisees to teach the crowds He was witnessing to, and tell the crowds to make friends with the Pharisees. He taught them about His truth but did not invite them to teach theirs to everyone else. He openly rebuked them as not following God, even in front of everyone else if need be when they came at Him with their anti-God doctrines.

        OUT OF CONTEXT ….. and there was no “yoking” …… no spiritual enterprise and that refers to individuals ….. and how do you bring light to the muslims darkness if you do not talk to them …..

        Talking to them is one thing. Becoming friends with them as Mr. White said, where you hang out with them, invite them to your house, have them speak to all other Christians in your church is very, very different.

        again ….. OUT OF CONTEXT …………. the entirety of the world not yet ELECT does not abide that doctrine ….. do we IGNORE the Great Commission …… seriously ………..

        Sure we do – we preach the gospel to everyone. When they reject it and elevate their own anti-Christ beliefs above God we don’t become their friend and start inviting them into our houses anyway, and have them teach their anti-Christ doctrines to everyone else in our churches. And this is the sort of thing we’re told NOT to do in 2 John 1:9-11.

        Would we think it’s fine to invite the Pope or other church leaders to teach their anti-Christ doctrines in our church and start hanging out with them and be friends with them even though they openly reject salvation by grace through Christ and will instead teach their anti-Christ doctrines?

        Of course not.

        Yes, we should preach the gospel with love to those who follow islam. But to do what Mr. White has done: befriend them anyway, tell others to do so, to hence invite them into your houses, to invite them into your churches to teach their anti-Christ doctrines and so on, he’s teaching contrary to what God has made plain.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          “Hello. Consider, however: Christ did not invite the Parisees to teach the crowds He was witnessing to, and tell the crowds to make friends with the Pharisees. He taught them about His truth but did not invite them to teach theirs to everyone else. He openly rebuked them as not following God, even in front of everyone else if need be when they came at Him with their anti-God doctrines.”

          the pharisees had been teaching for GENERATIONS ………. he pointed out their errors …. and yes rebuked them ….. and IF you listened to the two videos ….. the EXACT same thing occurred ….. even the rebuke …. now he did not call them the names our Lord did …… but it was in fact rebuke …..

          “Becoming friends with them as Mr. White said, where you hang out with them, invite them to your house, have them speak to all other Christians in your church is very, very different.”

          was Christ a friend to Judas …… did Christ NOT know who Judas was ….. did they NOT dip their bread in the SAME bowl …… this is not inconsistent with Christ ….. and if people have heard the Gospel and then had questions ….. and friendship began from that inquiry about the Gospel …… IS THAT NOT HOW IT WORKS ……….. is that NOT how the Gospel is spread …….. the “church” is just a building ….. but the collection of BELIEVERS …. THAT is the true church …… and it is ALWAYS with us …….. 24/7 ………

          • Sasak

            @Amos Moses– None of the apostles ever invited people who teach a different gospel to come and speak to the sheep at their churches either. Come to think of it, none of the Reformers ever did it either. I guess they must have all been racist bigots who don’t care about the lost.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            where ever two or more are gathered in His name ….. that is CHURCH ………… EVERY person that the Apostles spoke to was an unbeliever …… and “church” as we know it today was not what it was then ….. there were no buildings (churches) …. there was a gathering ….. and what happened at this “event” (and that is what it was, no more and no less) was NOT “church” in so far as a service ….. if a bunch of christians show up at a baseball game …. is that church …. no …. not in the worship sense ….

            sorry …. there was no spiritual enterprise here ….. the was no muslim “evangelization” ….. it was a public conversation …… and if we expect to preach the Gospel to the world …. then we need to know their view of Christ ….. and they do have one ….. and we to show them that error ….. and we are equipped by the Holy Spirit to do so ………. are we not ……….

          • FoJC

            No, they need to know the true and only Christ. We don’t need to know what they believe about God, or their god.

          • FoJC

            Judas was Jewish.

          • Reason2012

            the pharisees had been teaching for GENERATIONS

            So have islamists. But again, Jesus did not invite Pharisees to teach their anti-Christ, anti-God lies to the people that He was instructing in the true ways of God while He was present as if it’s fine for them to teach their lies – HUGE difference.

            he pointed out their errors …. and yes rebuked them ….. and IF you listened to the two videos ….. the EXACT same thing occurred ….. even the rebuke …. now he did not call them the names our Lord did …… but it was in fact rebuke …..

            It’s not a rebuke to tell others to become friends with them, to let them teach their ant-Christ, anti-God lies to Christian congregations.

            was Christ a friend to Judas ……

            A prophesy about the one person who would BETRAY Him that such a prophesy had to be fulfilled – nothing inconsistent at all. To pretend that means God / Jesus is fine with us promoting false anti-Christ doctrine teachers as people we should be friends with is disingenuous.

            “Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.”
            Matthew 16:6

            Jesus didn’t say “befriend the Pharisees and let them teach their anti-God doctrines to Christians”.

            The gospel is spread by preaching the gospel, by rebuking false teachings -not by inviting the wolves in to teach their anti-Christ lies to Christians and to teach Christians to befriend the wolves and invite them into their houses.

    • Denise Grimes

      If they wanted a neutral building why didn’t they get a hotel or school room? The point was to get a Christian and a Muslim religious building where the Christians and Muslims worship–THAT was the point that everywhere here seems to miss. The fact that GCC says “would not sanction a public dialogue with a Muslim Imam, or any other person with an agenda to teach false religion, at Grace Community Church” because, as Johnson said elsewhere, their building was dedicated to the sole purpose of preaching the Word. I find that no one is condemning GCC’s stance as glorifying a building to be more than a building. The hypocrisy is stunning indeed. Additionally, there were church members there, elders there, and fellowshipping immediately following the event, and did they not also pray before the “diaglogue”? So basically because of the day, it was a mere building and not a church? Seems to be if the elders, Christians, prayer and fellowship was going on, then it was a church, a BODY OF CHRIST and therefore the imam was brought before Christians to seduce them with a fake, Westernized version of Islam.

      In that seduction was the abject blasphemy of Christ repeatedly without interjection by a supposed mature Christian. How could a Christian sit there and not rebuke that demon speaking against Christ to Christians? The Holy Spirit would not allow such a thing to go unrebuked (Acts is full of examples, not the least of which is in 16:16-18 where the slave girl who was demonized and followed Paul around saying “”These men are bond-servants of the Most High God, who are proclaiming to you the way of salvation.” That imam spoke lie upon lie as is taught in Islam. Like the Cretans, they spew lies as they they are taught to lie by their quran, hadith, their demonic founder Muhammad, their god Satan the father of lies, and history, and current events show.

      • FoJC

        “…imam was brought before Christians to seduce them with a fake, Westernized version of Islam.”

        Most people don’t get this reality.

        • UnholyCow

          This. This is the real danger of what has happened here. That we have a man, given great credence by the very fact of James Whites stellar reputation, who was allowed to present to the body of Christ a version of Islam that may be very far from the truth. Everyone is so caught up in the various personalities and defending them that no one is thinking about the real danger of this.

  • Thank you for this well-written piece and including the link to the video at the end. I hope folks watch for themselves instead of listening to all the misrepresentations of what this dialogue actually was.

    • Reason2012

      What’s misrepresented is what God says on the matter.

      “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
      2 John 1:9-11

      Yet Mr. White teaches to be friends with those who openly bring anti-Christ doctrines (which of course you invite your friends to your house), to bid them greetings, bid them joy, and so on, all of which God commands us NOT to do.

      “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?”
      2 Corinthians 6:14

      Yet he tells us to make friends with those who follow anti-Christ doctrines, who reject Christ and deny that He was even crucified, let alone that He’s God.

      We are to witness to those who follow islam with love that they may come to God’s truth, but that’s far different from making new friendships with those who openly reject Christ and allow them to preach their anti-Christ doctrines to everyone else in your church.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        “Yet Mr. White teaches to be friends with those who openly bring anti-Christ doctrines (which of course you invite your friends to your house), to bid them greetings, bid them joy, and so on, all of which God commands us NOT to do.”

        and when we preach to ANY OTHER GROUP …… is it not EXACTLY the same ….. the worldly and unconverted ……. and do they also not deserve the Truth ….. and what of the Great Commission ….. DR. White was not teaching anyone to be friends …. the differences were clearly spoken on both sides ….. and NUMEROUS seeds were planted in many muslims lives ……….. we will have to wait to see if fruit is born …….

        Matthew
        28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
        28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

        • Reason2012

          and when we preach to ANY OTHER GROUP …… is it not EXACTLY the same

          You are right that we are supposed to preach to the world. Consider: Preaching to a group is different than going further and after they openly reject Christ to then befriend them, invite them into your house, to let them teach their anti-Christ doctrines to Christians, let alone in a Christian church. Another matter entirely that God warns us NOT to do.

          Christ preached to the Pharisees and openly rebuked them as dead in their trespasses and sins. He never told others to make friends with them, invite them into your houses, to let them into your gatherings to teach their anti-God, man-made doctrines, which is what Mr. White is unfortunately doing in this case.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “and after they openly reject Christ to then befriend them”

            consider that they do not KNOW the true Christ ……. this surprises you ……

            “let alone in a Christian church. Another matter entirely that God warns us NOT to do.”

            there was no “church” ….. it was not a church service ….. it was not for the general BOC to be there ….. it was ticketed …. to keep control of attendance for seating limitations of the building and the tickets were FREE …. that is NOT a church service ….. there are no “tickets” for a church service …… church is the BOC …. NOT the building ………. there was no violation ….. sorry ……

            look …. i like a lot of what you write ….. but you are sorely misinformed about what went on ….. did you watch the videos ………..

          • Reason2012

            consider that they do not KNOW the true Christ ……. this surprises you ……

            It surprises me that a religion that teaches them to_kill Christians, that rejects Christ “do not know the true Christ”? Why make such a false claim?

            there was no “church” ….. it was not a church service ….. it was not for the general BOC to be there ….. it was ticketed …. to keep control of attendance for seating limitations of the building and the tickets were FREE …. that is NOT a church service …..

            I didn’t say it was a service. I said it was a group of Christians, a congregation of Christians, in a Christian church, which again adds a tone of acceptance and tolerance and “be friends with them”, which he flat out said.

            look …. i like a lot of what you write ….. but you are sorely misinformed about what went on ….. did you watch the videos ……….

            I like a lot of what you write as well. Just addressing your defending this man

            – getting groups of Christians to sit and listen to the anti-Christ leaven of Islam doctrines, which flies in the face of Jesus warning Christians of the leaven of anti-Christ beliefs

            – telling Christians to befriend these islamists with their anti-Christ doctrines, in effect inviting them into their houses and wishing them well, which goes against what God says that we are partakers of the evil deeds of such people when we even give them greetings, befriend them and/or invite them into our house, which again this guy was instead encouraging Christians to do

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            if they think Christ is just a prophet …. then they do not know the true Christ …. do they ……..

            “- getting groups of Christians to sit and listen to the anti-Christ leaven of Islam doctrines, which flies in the face of Jesus warning Christians of the leaven of anti-Christ beliefs
            – telling Christians to befriend these islamists with their anti-Christ doctrines, in effect inviting them into their houses and wishing them well, which goes against what God says that we are partakers of the evil deeds of such people when we even give them greetings, befriend them and/or invite them into our house, which again this guy was instead encouraging Christians to do”

            a mischaracterization of what happened ………. sorry ……

          • Cary Voss

            Luke 6:27-31New American Standard Bible (NASB)

            27 “But I say to you who hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who [a]mistreat you. 29 Whoever hits you on the cheek, offer him the other also; and whoever takes away your [b]coat, do not withhold your [c]shirt from him either. 30 Give to everyone who asks of you, and whoever takes away what is yours, do not demand it back. 31 [d]Treat others the same way you want [e]them to treat you.

            How do you love others from a fearful distance? Love requires proximity and intimacy. Whores washed Jesus feet with their tears and hair for goodness sake. And Jesus received the same reaction from the Pharisees and Sadducees that James is receiving. You all really need to evaluate if you are on the right side in this dispute.

          • michael louwe

            That’s likely a misinterpretation of Scripture, ie Jesus Christ did not change the eternal commandment, “Love your neighbour as yourself and hate your enemy” to “Love your enemy as yourself and hate your friend”.

            Jesus Christ was telling the Pharisees that if they continued to reject Him as their Messiah/Christ but still desired to be saved from hell when they die(= go to the kingdom of heaven), they would have to pluck out their eyes and chop off their limbs, turn the other cheek, walk the extra mile, lend to all who ask and love their enemies. This is because any tinge of immoral sexual lust or hate or anger or greed or jealousy or etc in their hearts and minds would be sending them to hell.(ROM.5:12)

            The Jews rejected Jesus because they desired for a messiah/christ who would defeat the Roman occupiers/colonizers and return Israel/Judah, their kingdom of earth, to them.(JOHN.6:15)

            ROMANS.12:19-21 clearly stated that the early Jewish Christians were commanded by God to “bless” their powerful and influential Jewish persecutors, eg the Pharisees and Sadducees, so that God would pour out His vengeance and heap coals of fire on the persecutors’ heads. This came to pass in 70 AD when the more powerful Roman Army crushed/massacred the rebellious Jews in Jerusalem which ended the Jewish-Roman Wars.

            Similarly, today, the powerful US government, under the thumb of the vote-pandering liberals of the Blue States, have begun to persecute/prosecute conservative Christians. So, similarly, conservative Christians should not retaliate against the liberals or the US govt who are mostly unbelievers or false Christians, but instead “bless” them.
            ……. Soon, God/Jesus will return to earth to exact vengeance and heap coals of fire on the persecutors’ heads.

          • Reason2012

            Luke 6:27-31 does not say to become friends with the enemies of Christ/God, to invite them in your houses, and so on. And we’re talking those who are enemies of God, not those who are your personal enemies that personally do YOU wrong.

            How do you love others from a fearful distance? Love requires proximity and intimacy.

            Yes, we preach them – that’s not loving from a distance. But God also pointed out we are not to invite those into our houses that bring any other doctrines besides the truth of God, that we are to beware their false teachings, not instead give them a platform to teach all Christians their lies as if we support them having that view.

            Preaching the gospel does not require befriending them and inviting them into your houses when they reject the gospel and teach their anti-Christ doctrines instead. Preaching the gospel does not require getting Christians to sit down and have their deceptions planted in the minds of said Christians.

            Whores washed Jesus feet with their tears and hair for goodness sake.

            A_whore washing his feet (showing they utterly accept Him as their Lord and savior) is very different then the current situation we’re addressing, which is akin to a_pimp spitting on Christ and teaching others He casts out devils by the power of Beelzebub.

            And Jesus received the same reaction from the Pharisees and Sadducees that James is receiving. You all really need to evaluate if you are on the right side in this dispute.

            No, Jesus did not accept_pimps that caused others to become_whores, that spit on Him, wanted to_kill Him, and taught others that He cast out devils by the power of Beelzebub – He didn’t tell Christians to sit down and listen to the anti-God lies of such wicked deceivers.

            Think again about what side you think you’re on as you’re being deceived into defending a man who defends wolves and deceives Christians into listening to said wolves’ lies and to make friends with the wolves, in effect being partakers of their evil deeds as God made clear, even though they openly reject Christ and will deceive to get others to do likewise.

            Quoran:
            Infidels are those who declare: “God is the Christ, the son of Mary” (Sura 5:17)
            Infidels are those that say “God is one of three in a Trinity” (Sura 5:73)
            Believers, take neither the Jews nor the Christians for your friends (Sura 5:51)
            Believers, do not make friends with those who have incurred the wrath of Allah (Sura 60:13)
            Infidels are your sworn enemies (Sura 4:101)
            Make war on the infidels who dwell around you (Sura 9:123)
            Prophet, make war on the infidels (Sura 66:9)
            When you meet the infidel in the battlefield strike off their heads (Sura 47:4)
            Muhammad is Allah’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the infidels (Sura 48:29)

        • michael louwe

          GO YE THEREFORE, and not
          LET THEM COME THEREFORE.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and Dr. White WENT …. and now you are adding to the scriptures ………..

          • michael louwe

            At that “inter-faith” dialogue meeting in Church attended by mostly paying Christians to learn about Islam from Dr. Yasir Qadhi, did Dr. White “go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you”.?
            ……. This is not the right way for Christians to learn about Islam.
            .
            Now you are making false accusation that I was adding to Scriptures. Fyi, false accusations are usually derived from the devil, eg MATT. 16:23 & 23:27, JOHN.8:44.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            it was not an “interfaith” dialogue ………… there was no spiritual enterprise to come together …. sorry … you are mischaracterizing what happened ……….. “attended by mostly paying Christians” … OUTRIGHT LIE ….. it was ticketed ….. there was NO FEE …..

          • michael louwe

            You have proved my point about willy-nilly making false accusations. I may have misunderstood about the event being ticketed as paying fees. For you to jump to conclusions and accuse me of outright lying is quite judgemental.

  • Equalscale

    The people criticizing White could care less about sharing the Gospel with Muslims. Why would they want to share the gospel with an evil Muslim? But in’t that the point? We are all evil in need of the Gospel.

    • Sasak

      WRONG! We care about sharing the truth with Muslim’s but we care about protecting God’s sheep and honoring His word MORE! One does not have to disobey God’s word in order to share with Muslim’s.

      • Cary Voss

        You can’t point to a SINGLE verse the Dr. White disobeyed. Quite the contrary. To effectively share and defend the gospel, you must be wise as serpents and gentle as doves. You must understand the unbeliever’s worldview to make the best defense of the Christian faith, with gentleness and reverence. If your faith is SO WEAK that you can’t listen to the other side, you don’t understand the perfect savior and I question your salvation.

        • FoJC

          2 John 1:7-11

          There is more than one. I could list many more, but I’m thinking you’d just debate and argue them away.

          • Cary Voss

            So list just one verse.

            And if it can easily be refuted it proves you have no support for your position.

            When people claim they have lots of evidence, and refuse to present any with excuses, it means that they really don’t have any.

          • Cary Voss

            2 John is referring to people who claim to be Christians, but teach heresy like the proto Gnostic claims that Jesus had no body, and that the body is evil. It in no way applies to people of other faiths who explicitly say they are NOT christians.

            Th amusing thing is that Islam affirms Jesus came in the flesh as a prophet and had a human body. They just deny his divine nature.

          • FoJC

            No, it’s referring to anyone who teaches/preaches that the Anointed One, the Savior has already come to earth as promised in the Scriptures.

            Your subtle deception is noted.

        • Jim Blainey

          Should have specified, you can’t point to a single verse *in context* that Dr. White disobeyed. 🙂

        • Reason2012

          “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
          2 John 1:9-11

          Mr. White tells others to befriend them, to in effect invite them into their houses in spite of their rejection of Christ and determination to teach their anti-Chris doctrines.

          “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?”
          2 Corinthians 6:14

          Yet mr., White teaches us to actually start fellowshipping with unrighteousness, to start fellowshipping with darkness, Islamists who reject Christ, reject the gospel and instead will teach their anti-Christ doctrines.

          “In the mean time, when there were gathered together an innumerable multitude of people, insomuch that they trode one upon another, he began to say unto his disciples first of all, Beware ye of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.”
          Luke 12:1

          He didn’t teach to get together and let the false teachers teach you their anti-Christ doctrines.

          you don’t understand the perfect savior and I question your salvation.

          “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”
          Matthew 7:1-2

          It does not bode well to pretend it’s just fine to let those who openly reject Christ to teach their anti-Christ lies to Christians, teaching Christians to make friends with such wolves that reject Christ, but someone who questions them doing so as “questioning their salvation”.

        • Sasak

          “you can’t point to a SINGLE verse that Dr. White disobeyed”

          2 Corinth 6:14-16… 2 John 1:10..Eph 5:11

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        Christ will not lose EVEN ONE that belongs to Him …..

        John
        6:37 All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.
        6:38 For I came down from heaven, not to do mine own will, but the will of him that sent me.
        6:39 And this is the Father’s will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
        6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.
        6:41 The Jews then murmured at him, because he said, I am the bread which came down from heaven.
        6:42 And they said, Is not this Jesus, the son of Joseph, whose father and mother we know? how is it then that he saith, I came down from heaven?
        6:43 Jesus therefore answered and said unto them, Murmur not among yourselves.
        6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.
        6:45 It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me.

        • michael louwe

          Put in the proper context, Jesus Christ was referring to His fellow Jews who converted to become Christians or Christ-followers, ie He was not talking about Muslims or future ex-Muslim converts.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            the context is …any who are drawn to Him by the Father …. He will not lose ….. not even one …..and how is it you think you know which muslims belong to Christ and which do not ….. and that Christ is not capable of saving those that belong to Him …………. how do you know some of them are not of the ELECT …. because they carry a temporary label of muslim ….. many muslims convert to christianity ………… it is referring to ALL believers, ALL of His sheep …..

          • michael louwe

            The context is ‘them’ and ‘GIVES’. Who were the ‘them’ referred to at JOHN.6: ? ‘Them’ clearly referred to the unbelieving Jews. As borne out by history, only a small remnant of the Jews converted to become Jewish Christians, ie the apostles and disciples = a few thousand out of millions.
            ……. ‘Them” was not referring to Muslims or Gentiles.
            _ _ _ _ _ _ _

            JOHN.6: = 29 Jesus answered and said to them, “This is the work of God, that you believe in Him whom He sent.”

            30 Therefore they said to Him, “What sign will You perform then, that we may see it and believe You? What work will You do? 31 Our fathers ate the manna in the desert; as it is written, ‘He gave them bread from heaven to eat.’”[d]

            32 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, Moses did not give you the bread from heaven, but My Father gives you the true bread from heaven. 33 For the bread of God is He who comes down from heaven and gives life to the world.”

            34 Then they said to Him, “Lord, give us this bread always.”

            35 And Jesus said to them, “I am the bread of life. He who comes to Me shall never hunger, and he who believes in Me shall never thirst. 36 But I said to you that you have seen Me and yet do not believe.

            37 All that the Father GIVES Me will come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will by no means cast out. 38 For I have come down from heaven, not to do My own will, but the will of Him who sent Me. 39 This is the will of the Father who sent Me, that of all He has given Me I
            should lose nothing, but should raise it up at the last day.

            40 And this is the will of Him who sent Me, that everyone who sees the Son and believes in Him may have everlasting life; and I will raise him up at the last day.”

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            the Gospel has gone out to the ENTIRE WORLD ….. and the CONTEXT is the FULL CONTEXT of scripture and is NOT limited to the “unbelieving Jews” ….. sorry …. FAIL ……..
            For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: …….

            Romans
            8:27 And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
            8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
            8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
            8:30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
            8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

            Romans
            10:11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
            10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.
            10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
            10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
            10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
            10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
            10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

          • michael louwe

            Jesus Christ lived and spoke from around 0 BC to 33 AD. The New Testament books were written in the 1st century AD.
            ……. So, from a historical context in the NT, the Gospel had not yet truly gone out to the ENTIRE WORLD, even though it was so through prophetic insight. It is only from our present 21st century “hind-sight” that it has gone out to the entire world.

            In truth, the Gospel had gone out to the entire world only after shipping technology enabled the colonization or bullying “epidemic” to be spread by the mostly advanced Christian Western kingdoms from the 15th century to the 20th century AD, ie Christian missionaries followed after the conquering soldiers into the colonies via ships.
            ……. Today, we even have the World Wide Web/www or Internet technology.

            If a Muslim wanna know about the Gospel, he/she can always refer to the www or Internet. Similarly for a Christian missionary who wanna learn about Islam and outreach to Muslims.
            ……. But it is still better for an ex-Muslim convert to Christianity to do such outreach to Muslims. Jesus Christ was an ex-Jew who did very productive or fruitful outreach to the Jews. Imagine if He was an ex-Roman Gentile instead.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Matthew
            28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
            28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
            28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

            ALL NATIONS …………

          • michael louwe

            In the above case, Dr. James White and Christians at the Inter-faith Dialog in the Church were being taught by Dr. Yasir Qadhi about Islam and the Islamic “gospel”.
            ……. Dr. James White was not “teaching all nations …”

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Dr. White delivered the Gospel in a clear manner …… you are mischaracterizing … that is a lie when you do it ….. and muslims come from several nations ….. so that is a lie …. you do not know the actual make up of the people from different nations …… you should restrain your comments …………..

    • michael louwe

      No, White was not sharing the Gospel with Muslims at that ticketed meeting in a Church which was attended by mostly Christians. White was actually giving room to Dr. Yasir Qadhi to share the false Islamic gospel message with Christians.

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Exactly!

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      I share the gospel with Muslims all the time. I need only go to a family event to do so. This is not the way to do it. There is an entire movement within Islam to subvert the church, and this is just one of the methods use. James White needs discernment, not just in this instance, but in others.

  • Robert

    Since it evidently caused division in that church was it smart?

    • Sasak

      Or can you witness to a Muslim without giving them equal time to share their false gospel with the sheep?

    • Jim Blainey

      Most churches throughout church history didn’t meet in church buildings. They’re an extrabiblical invention. But since the owners of the buildings churches meet in can determine what the building is used for the other 95% of the week when the church is not meeting, I guess they could serve alcohol if they wanted. Some are restaurants, some are movie theaters, some are public schools. The owners of this particular building invited Muslims inside to build relationships and share the Gospel. Different strokes I guess.

    • Jim Blainey

      And interestingly enough, the events happened in January. There was no division until late June when Brannon Howse brought it up to cash in on James White’s notoriety to sell some of his Islamic fear-mongering. So yeah…division…

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        ummmmm ……… OUCH ……………..

        look …. i like BH …. for a lot of things he is very solid ….. but man has he gone off the rails on this …. FYI …. i have been to Branson for one of his WVWeekend conferences ….. it was pretty good ….

        • Jim Blainey

          Unfortunately this kerfuffle is the first I’ve heard of him, so I would be more likely to assume he handles every other interaction with fellow Christians with the same level of deceit. Hopefully he will repent and seek restoration.

    • Cary Voss

      It didn’t cause division in “The Church” or even in the church where the discussion was held. And division over important issues is vital! Paul’s preaching caused riots. He wiped the dust off his sandals when rejected in some synagogues and left. And those people were Jews, the lost sheep of Israel. The Bible warns against embracing false brothers, not those we are trying to reach with the Gospel. If you oppose what James White did then you oppose evangelism. He gets to present the gospel to thousands of Muslims because like Jesus, he loves lost Muslim people who need Jesus. And he has gained their trust and their ears, not to compromise, but to speak tough love.

      • Sasak

        It didn’t cause division? Where have you been hiding? Under a rock? It’s caused deep division.

  • Sasak

    This was a spiritual service, a religious meeting! It clearly violates scripture.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      no … it was not ………….. and no it did not …………

    • Cary Voss

      You are simply WRONG!! It was an information sharing session in the church and mosque to educate those in attendance to what Muslims and Christians really believe. No prayers were prayed, no hymns were sung, no offering was taken, and cookies and punch were served, not bread and wine.

      Why the overwhelming need to isolate yourselves from those who need to hear a clear explanation of the Gospel, and where it conflicts with their false beliefs? I cannot believe the irrational, emotional condemnation of dialogs that should be happening in every city across America!! This reaction is sheer unchristian Pharisaical madness.

      • Sasak

        Because scripture says that we should! 1 Corinth 6:14, 2 John 1:10, Eph 5:11, to name just a few.

  • FoJC

    Islam is a pagan religion, and that’s all Christians need to know about it, and should already know about, if indeed they are followers of Jesus.

    Don’t kill them and treat them as a human beings should be treated, simple, but being interested in “understanding” their religion is not something the Holy Spirit is leading Believers to do.

    The Gospel of Jesus Christ is simple and doesn’t require studying (or adopting parts of) the cultures of other religions to share. It is “shared” by the power and anointing of the Holy Spirit, not intellectualizing the Scriptures and becoming friends with pagans.

    2 John 1:7-11

    Follow Jesus, find Wisdom.

    • Jim Blainey

      So you’re a Hyper-Calvinist?

      • FoJC

        No. It’s sad that you are so lost in your false doctrines that you can only define others by them.

        • Jim Blainey

          What false doctrines do I hold? This is a very serious charge, one which violates the 9th commandment if it cannot be substantiated.

        • Jim Blainey

          While I wait for you to either substantiate your charge that I hold to false doctrines, or repent for violating the 9th commandment, allow me to point out why I asked if you are a Hyper-Calvinist.

          Hyper-Calvinists do not believe in missions. And your second paragraph above, you state Christians should not bother understanding the beliefs of the people they are trying to reach. And in your third paragraph, you state Christians should not study the culture of the people they are trying to reach, or become friends with the people they are trying to reach.

          Understanding the beliefs of, studying the cultures of, and befriending members of the group one is trying to share the Gospel with is the very job description of cross-cultural missionaries.

          So, are you a Hyper-Calvinist?

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        You do know that White is a Calvinist, don’t you? And some would say hyper-Calvinist to boot.

        • Jim Blainey

          I am aware White is a Calvinist. He has probably already shared the Gospel with more Muslims in the last 6 months than all his critics combined.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Please. You don’t know the work that former Muslims are doing for Christ. They are being imprisoned, beaten, abused, persecuted, and they do NOT stand for what White is doing.

          • Jim Blainey

            So do you claim that White’s critics HAVE shared the Gospel with more Muslims than White in the last 6 months? Interesting. Because quite a few of them are in this comment section specifically claiming that Christians SHOULDN’T be sharing the Gospel with Muslims.

            As for your nonsequiter about former Muslims, it is irrelevant and unfalsifiable.

            And I have had M’s who have served in majority Muslim countries who have watched White’s videos, and have told me that he shared the Gospel with more Muslims in this two night event than most of their colleagues will in their entire career.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No one here has said Christians should not be sharing the Gospel with Muslims. They have said that Muslims should not be in the church instructing Christians about another religion.

            My comment about former Muslims is not irrelevant and unfalsifiable. Do you even know what those terms mean? Who do you think stands the most against what White is doing but born again Christians who were once Muslims?

            Your anecdote about Muslim friends (I assume that’s what you mean by “M’s”?) is meaningless since anecdotes can be, and often are, made up. I can tell you that Muslims laugh at White and people like him who are so gullible and so desperate to appear edgy that they accept anything, including this nonsense by a hate preacher (Qadhi).

            If White wants to witness to Muslims so badly, perhaps he could learn Arabic (I hope it’s better than his Hebrew, Greek, or English) and go to a Muslim nation and preach there. He’s certainly not cutting it from here.

          • Jim Blainey

            “M” stands for missionary. Have you honestly never heard of that? If not, I apologize for the confusion. It’s common for missionaries serving in closed countries to request using that abbreviation in online communication out of safety concerns. Force of habit.

            I stand by my statement that many of those who are critical of White have no desire to actually share the Gospel with Muslims. The evidence isn’t hard to find.

            And your comment about former Muslims is irrelevant to whether or not White has shared the Gospel with more Muslims than his critics. I’ve only seen comments from three high profile, very politically minded, not very gospel oriented, former Muslim critics. Along with online trolls and right-wing politicos.

            On the other hand, I’ve seen multitudes of missionaries, church leaders, and fellow apologists publicly supporting with James White.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I work with and for the persecuted church. I’ve not heard one former Muslim praise James White. I’ve heard plenty of current Muslims laugh that they’ve pulled one over on him and the gullible.

          • Jim Blainey

            That’s interesting if true. The world is a big place, and neither of us can speak for the majority of ex-Muslims. But the missionaries I know say that many former Muslims living in America are still discriminated against, and it’s only gotten worse since the recent election. So I doubt they would be following Brannon Howse and jumping on the anti-White bandwagon.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s nonsense. The only ones who harass former Muslims are current Muslims, and stunts like the one James White is pulling isn’t helping them.

          • Jim Blainey

            Interesting. Are you sure you’ve ever met a single former Muslim? They are persecuted from both sides, both current Muslims and Americans who discriminate against them based on their appearance. You have to either be lying or woefully ignorant of reality. This is a very, very, very common and well-documented occurrence.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Dude, if I want to hang out with Muslims, I only have to go to a family reunion. Don’t try to lecture me about Islam. I work with persecuted Christians. My fellowship is composed of many former Muslims who came to Canada to escape persecution. You clearly are clueless.

          • Paula Coyle

            how do you know they aren’t just faking? Refugees? So you’re responsible for bringing security risks into the country. Lovely.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            A tree is known by its fruits. I don’t bring refugees into the country. I help them. Why do you think it’s okay for James White to bring an imam into the church to “dialogue” but you think it’s not okay for me to translate for, feed, and help newcomers while sharing the Gospel with them?

          • Paula Coyle

            I’m wondering why Brannon takes these people at their word that they aren’t Muslims engaging in taqiyya.

          • Landon

            I really wish people would stop fussing about this being “in the church.” By properly defining “church” it is impossible for any dialogue like this to take place in a church.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            “In the church” doesn’t refer to a building necessarily. It’s whenever an assembly is called. There can be no fellowship between Christ and idolaters.

          • Paula Coyle

            So basically you ARE saying that Christians can’t talk to Muslims because the church is everywhere.

            Get a clue. There IS no fellowship in worship between Christians and Muslims.

            We can have civil relationships and dialogue however. But you seem to equate the two. Because your religion is political just like Islam is.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I am saying that propaganda was masked as dialogue.

          • Paula Coyle

            “No one here has said Christians should not be sharing the Gospel with Muslims. ”
            But that’s exactly what White actually DID in these dialogues. In a way that helps us all to be less afraid to do the same.

            I guess you don’t want that.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            He shared a watered down version of the gospel which is no gospel at all.

            I don’t care what White says Missionaries in Muslim nations said about his actions. I care what the Word of God says about how His work is to be done.

          • Paula Coyle

            Former Muslims? Well how do you KNOW they are FORMER? Taqiyya anyone??

          • Michael Anthony

            How do you know they are former muslims? Now, that is the height of silliness. By that standard no muslim is saved

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            By their fruits you shall know them. Put your works up next to the works of someone who has been beaten to an inch of his life for the cause of Christ and see how you measure up.

    • Cary Voss

      You ever read about Paul’s sermon on Mars hill? You don’t think Paul studied the false religions he was refuting to be the best apologist possible?

      How in the world is the “church” so afraid of false religious teachings? The gates of Hell shall not prevail against us!! Gates don’t attack! We believers kick them in and rush inside to save those who Satan has ensnared to do his will!! Many of the elect are behind those gates just waiting for believers to bring the gospel to them. WAKE UP CHURCH.

      • FoJC

        The LORD revealed to me before logging back in that someone would reference this account. What the Apostle Paul did wasn’t even close to what people are wanting Christians to do in “learning about Islam”.

        He simply saw all of their idols and referenced the one about the “unknown god”, using it to start the sermon. He didn’t study the details about their religious beliefs.

        • Jim Blainey

          Um….You should probably go read Acts 17. And pay close attention to verse 17.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            It doesn’t say what you think it does:
            “Therefore disputed he in the synagogue with the Jews, and with the devout persons, and in the market daily with them that met with him.”

            Those who came into the synagogue were those who were seeking God, much like those who attend church because they want to find God, but are not saved yet. It doesn’t refer to Muslims coming to debate in order to win others to allah.

          • Bob Johnson

            There is a simple reason Jesus didn’t debate the Muslims. Muhammad was born 540 years after Jesus was crucified.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Reread all the posts. It’s not my contention that Jesus Christ hung out with Muslims. 🙂

          • Bob Johnson

            “Therefore disputed he in the synagogue” followed by”Those who came into the synagogue”

            So who is the he you are referring to?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Do you mean to which “he” is the Bible referring to in that passage?

          • Bob Johnson

            The “he” in the Bible is referring to Jesus. Why do you believe this is a an important point? You go on to state it does not refer to Muslims. So true, Jesus did not debate anyone born after He was crucified, including Muhammad and Martin Luther.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No, it’s not referring to Jesus Christ. It is referring to the apostle Paul. 🙂

          • Jim Blainey

            So the Holy Spirit was wrong when he inspired Luke to write the verb “reason with.”

            Gotchya.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why would you say something so blasphemous and attribute it to me? Do you even know what you are claiming and what the Word actually says?

          • Jim Blainey

            I’m trying to understand your interpretation of Acts 17:17, and based on your interpretation, “reasoned with” (a dialogue) should be “preached to” (a monologue).

            And if the Jews in the synagogue were “there seeking God” why did Paul have to “contend” with them. And if the “devout” Greeks in the market with whom Paul disputed did not likewise try to convert Paul to their beliefs, were they really devout?

            I’m pleased to hear to you affirm the Bible’s inspiration. But I am confused by your inconsistent hermeneutic.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            First of all, there is no private interpretation of Scripture. Peter says so in 2 Peter 1: 20: “Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.”

            You are assuming that everyone in the synagogue was Jewish. There were Jews and there were Gentiles who attended synagogue.

            You really need to spend time in the Word of God. You seem confused about what it says.

          • Jim Blainey

            First things first, you said “You really need to spend time in the Word of God.”

            True words have never been spoken.

            It’s true that Gentiles were not prohibited from synagogues like they were from the Temple. But it was a place where the Jewish religion was primarily practiced. And Jews were not then, and are not now, true believers. They were not worshipping God. They rejected Christ and the Gospel. Paul had to enter and debate with them and contend for the Gospel. Sometimes he left with converts, other times he was expelled under threat of death.

            And sometimes the church would meet there to listen to Paul and other disciples preach. Hopefully this is not too “on the nose,” but isn’t it interesting that the location where the church occasionally gathered worship was the same location Paul could be found dialoguing with those of other faiths throughout the week?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The early church was Jewish. It continues to be Jewish with Gentiles grafted into the true branch. We join them, they do not join us.

            So much wrong with your post. I don’t even know where to start. It’s like you’re writing anti-Semitic fairy tales.

          • Jim Blainey

            I have literally only quoted Jesus’ words.

            Yes, the early church was Jewish, as the Jewish Messiah fulfilled God’s promise made to Abraham, with Gentiles grafted in. But not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. They misunderstood that God’s plan for salvation has always been by grace through faith. And now that Israel’s Great High Priest has offered the ultimate sacrifice, once and for all, “for there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.”

            Jews can be saved by repenting of their sins and accepting Christ as their savior.

            But any Jew who rejects Jesus also rejects God the Father. Jesus said if they knew Him they would know the Father. Jesus also said, “no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” So it is impossible for a Jew to worship God and simulatneously reject Jesus.

            You may disagree with Jesus’ words, but that’s what He said. And nobody this side of Bernie Sanders would claim that 2000 years of historic Christian doctrine is somehow hateful or “anti-Semitic.”

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You clearly don’t even know what you are or aren’t espousing. You seem even more confused than James White.

          • Jim Blainey

            I’ll gladly admit confusion about the strange eschatological position you hold which was first invented in the mid-19th Century. I’ll gladly affirm the historic Christian position that agrees with Paul in Galatians 3, that the promises made to Abraham’s seed were fulfilled in Christ.

            But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
            ….
            Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

            There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

            And if ye be Christ’s, then are ye Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The Word of God wasn’t invented. He always was.

          • Jim Blainey

            Ahh, the Logos, that Greek pagan Cosmology that John was so familiar with.

            Yes, Jesus is eternal, but that weird interpretation of the covenant is brand, spanking new.

            Cite me just one (1) orthodox Christian theologian from church history from before the 19th century that had the same view as you. Just one.

            Oh, and when God made the promises to Abraham’s seed, was that seed *plural* as in all Abraham’s multitude of descendants…or seed *singular* as in just one, Jesus.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Apostle Paul.

          • Jim Blainey

            Paul specifically said the promises God made to Abraham’s seed were made to Christ, not Abraham’s descendants.

            Try again. Just name one.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            What are you rambling on about now? You’re in no position to teach anyone here anything. You’re confused about the first page of the Book of Genesis let alone the rest of the Bible.

          • Paula Coyle

            are you talking to yourself, guest?

          • Jim Blainey

            My “rambling” is an explanation of the plain reading of Galatians 3:16. It completely obliterates the incorrect doctrine you have been taught.

            You’re clearly upset and frustrated, but trust me, this is not due to the words of some stranger on the internet. It is the truth of God’s Word confronting the traditions of man that have deceived you.

            I know Holy Spirit surgery with the double-edged sword of the Word can be uncomfortable. God bless you as you search the Scriptures. May you embrace the truth!

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Wow, talk about being judgmental and being completely wrong! LOL You have no idea what you are talking about. You are only here to argue and bicker with Christians.

          • Jim Blainey

            Galatians 3 completely contradicts your doctrine. You have offered not a word in defense.

            Not. A. Word.

            Anyone can throw up a proof texts. Show me how Galatians 3, specifically verse 16, doesn’t destroy your argument that all Jews will be saved under the old covenant.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I uphold Galatians 3. I have said nothing to contradict it. Like a typical Muslim defender, you have tried to turn this discussion into an anti-Semitic attack against the Jewish people.

          • Jim Blainey

            You withhold the gospel from both Muslims and Jews. It is not I who is unloving, but you.

            You stated that all Jews will be saved based on God’s promises to Israel. Galatians 3:16 states God’s promises weren’t made to Abraham’s descendants, but to Jesus. That’s what is literally says.

            If you have an exegesis of Galatians that supports your view, I’d love to hear it.

            If you wish to continue to dance and dodge around the plain reading of scripture, so be it.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I haven’t withheld the gospel from anyone. Why are you personally attacking posters rather than discuss the article at hand?

          • Jim Blainey

            I’m glad to hear you don’t withhold the gospel from anyone.

            Although that does raise soime questions. Like why are you supporting critics of James White who have no desire to share the Gospel with Muslims and are actvely building barriers between Christians and Muslims. “Bad company” and all that.

            And it’s good to hear you don’t actually believe all Israel will one day be saved based on the promises that God actually made to Jesus alone, and thus Jews need the gospel as much as Gentiles.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I support sharing the gospel with Muslims. I share the gospel with Muslims. James White did not share the gospel with Muslims nor did he encourage others to do so. Instead, he encouraged others to “dialogue” with them.

            You are very dishonest in your handling of God’s Word and in what you claim others say. You are merely trying to gloss over your anti-Semitism.

          • Jim Blainey

            I believe in sharing the Gospel with atheists, and several of the Jewish people I know are atheists. I mean no disrespect to you, but I’m going to share the Gospel with them.

            I’m not going to withhold the Gospel from them because of a strange doctrine invented in the mid-19th century.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You don’t even make sense. No one here disputes sharing the gospel with the unsaved. Too bad you appear confused on what that gospel is.

          • Jim Blainey

            Glad to hear it. I hope it’s true.

          • Paula Coyle

            So you equate dispensationalism with Jesus. Go figure.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why do you think that God’s eternal existence is dispensationalism?

          • Paula Coyle

            “You seem even more confused than James White.”
            I’d take that as a compliment. If I’m just a little less capable than White I’m doing awfully well. You on the other hand… seem to enjoy calling evil good and good evil.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Do you not realize that you are posting under a different name?

          • zampogna

            You make that accusation to people so often here that it has become a standing joke.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You come back here so often under different names that it has become a standing joke.

          • zampogna

            Like everything else you say here smugly and with zero proof. That’s part of the reason people who normally on your side are stomping all over you in this discussion. It’s quite enjoyable to watch.

          • Paula Coyle

            Are you saying that Jews are saved even if they don’t believe in Jesus?

          • Paula Coyle

            You should just start by reading the second half of the verse you’re referencing.

          • Paula Coyle

            “Why would you say something so blasphemous and attribute it to me?” Because you’re twisting Scripture.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why are you making up false accusations?

          • Jim Blainey

            I disagree that those entering the synagogue were “seeking God.” They had rejected Christ, and thus they rejected God (John 14:7) so they were there to worship an idol.

            And the “devout persons” in the market place in Athens would have referred to Greeks who worshiped false gods (perhaps they were buying meat to offer to idols a la 1 Cor. 8).

            Preaching is a monologue, while “reasoning with” someone is a dialogue.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Typical Muslim appeaser – Muslims are good, but Jews who are the apple of God’s eye are evil. Hypocrisy at its finest!

            Many went to the synagogue to draw closer to God. The apostles regularly attended synagogue. The devout persons does not necessarily refer to idolaters. It very well could have referred to those like Apollos, who taught what he knew about God until he was converted to Christianity.

            By your definition, Qadhi “preached” to Christians in church. That’s blasphemy.

          • Jim Blainey

            Muslims are NOT good! No Muslim, Jew, Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, or anyone else is good. (Rom. 3:10-12!!!)

            But they are made in God’s image and have been deceived. And their only hope is the Gospel.

            And I’m not the one saying Jews were lost. That was Jesus. (John 14:7) You’ll have to take it up with Him. Whichever god the Jews were drawing close to in the synagogues was not the One True God. If it was, they would have believed in Jesus.

            Devout Greeks in Athens, Greece were not idolaters? Apollos was a Jew who only knew John’s baptism. I fail to see how one could arrive at such an interpretation based on the plain reading of the text.

            And the absurdity of your final paragraph deserves no response. You can do better than that.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Jesus Christ never said Jews are lost. This is what John 14:7 says, “If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.”

            Why in the world do you keep making up stories about Bible verses, claiming they say one thing when they say quite another?

            Many Jews are born again today. All Israel will one day be saved. That’s a promise in the Bible not made to any other nation.

            And dude, my last paragraph refers to something SPECIFIC that you said. Do you not even read your own posts?

          • Jim Blainey

            You keep making a distinction between Jews and Gentiles.

            For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. Romans 10:12

            All Jews and Gentiles who call upon the name of Jesus will be saved.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re really confused about your posts and mine. I was referring to Scripture. You can’t alter the scenario and historicity of it to suit your agenda.

          • Paula Coyle

            You were twisting Scripture, actually.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Christ was accused of the same thing, too.

          • Paula Coyle

            So Jews are saved by being Jews? We have two different ways to God?

            “All Israel will one day be saved”
            “But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.”

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I have no idea how you came to that conclusion from the verses I quoted. You seem very combative. Why did you come here swearing at posters?

          • Frank Leyland

            Paula is absolutely correct about this.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Right about what? Misrepresenting what my post says? No one has claimed Jews get to be saved by being Jews. No one. The Bible does say, however, that all Israel shall be saved. Paula’s other posts, however, were removed because she was vulgar and used obscenities.

          • Frank Leyland

            Oh, that IS sad. I am so sorry she did that. She did not need to.

          • Frank Leyland

            And the true Israel are the Elect, of which I am one. And you?

          • Paula Coyle

            “Jews who are the apple of God’s eye are evil. ”
            Read Galatians please..
            Also read Jesus own words against the Jews who rejected him.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Ah, anti-Semitism once more rears its ugly head again, and once again is in connection with Islam’s defenders. Interesting.

          • Paula Coyle

            EEK Luke called the idolaters ‘devout’! 🙂

          • Paula Coyle

            “…and in the marketplace every day with those who happened to be there. 18 Some of the Epicurean and Stoic philosophers also conversed with him. And some said, (AD)“What does this babbler wish to say?” Others said, “He seems to be a preacher of foreign divinities”—because (AE)he was preaching (AF)Jesus and the resurrection. 19 And they took him and brought him to (AG)the Areopagus, saying, “May we know what this (AH)new teaching is that you are presenting? 20 For you bring some (AI)strange things to our ears. We wish to know therefore what these things mean.” 21 Now all the Athenians and the foreigners who lived there would spend their time in nothing except telling or hearing something new.”

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That wasn’t in the synagogue. Give one example of the apostles bringing a pagan before the congregation to explain their paganism.

        • Paula Coyle

          You should probably read the Bible some more and stop letting voices in your head twist Scripture for you.

          • FoJC

            You should get saved before you die and go to Hell. You’ve been fooled by the Devil.

            Follow Jesus, find Salvation.

      • Jim Blainey

        You are so right. What a sad, fearful, defeatist attitude we’re seeing here. Muslims are not the enemy (we wrestle not against flesh and blood!) They are our neighbors and they are lost in darkness, while we are the light of the world and have the only solution to their problem. The Gospel!

      • Reason2012

        “Studying” a religion is far different than inviting the wolves into the congregations of Christians to plant the seeds of their anti-Christ lies in all the minds of said Christians. Look at the havoc it causes in this forum alone. God is not the author of confusion.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          muslims …. are the mission field ……………. and “havoc” of division is caused by those who have not listened to the videos …… or only selectively ….. the Gospel was clearly preached …………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            This isn’t the way to win them.

          • michael louwe

            Fyi, Muslims, esp Arabs, are spiritual descendants of Ishmael, a rival of Isaac, the spiritual ancestor of Jews and Christians. Both Isaac and Ishmael were blessed by God to be populous as the sand on the seashore or stars in the sky.

            ……. Muslims tend to be wild men/women and Christians should be wise as serpents when dealing with them, eg outreach to them. Ishmael and Muslims are not included in God’s Covenant, whether New or Old.

            GENESIS.16: =
            9 The Angel of the Lord said to her, “Return to your mistress, and submit yourself under her hand.” 10 Then the Angel of the Lord said to her, “I will multiply your descendants exceedingly, so that they shall not be counted for multitude.” 11 And the Angel of the Lord said to her:

            “Behold, you are with child,
            And you shall bear a son.
            You shall call his name Ishmael,
            Because the Lord has heard your affliction.
            12 He shall be a wild man;
            His hand shall be against every man,
            And every man’s hand against him.
            And he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.”

            13 Then she called the name of the Lord who spoke to her, You-Are-the-God-Who-Sees; for she said, “Have I also here seen Him who sees me?”

            GENESIS.17: =
            19 Then God said: “No, Sarah your wife shall bear you a son, and you shall call his name Isaac; I will establish My covenant with him for an
            everlasting covenant, and with his descendants after him.

            20 And as for Ishmael, I have heard you. Behold, I have blessed him, and will make him fruitful, and will multiply him exceedingly. He shall beget twelve princes, and I will make him a great nation. 21 But My covenant I will establish with Isaac, whom Sarah shall bear to you at this set time next year.” 22 Then He finished talking with him, and God went up from Abraham.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            good … and i do not disagree with any of that scripture ….. but that does not mean we get to write them off by not bringing the Gospel to them ….. and if they reject it …. fine …. but they are the mission field just as any other non-believer ………

          • Reason2012

            We can easily preach the gospel to the mission field -you don’t instead let the mission get a big voice in front of Christians in your church to teach their lies and deception as part of the process, telling Christians to become friends with them even though they openly reject Christ and will just teach their lies instead.

        • Numa Newbern

          AMEN, AMEN, Reason,

        • Paula Coyle

          wouldn’t cause havoc if you weren’t causing it.

          • Reason2012

            It only causes havoc when professing Christians teach and act contrary to God’s Word and invite wolves to speak to Christian congregations.

            “How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.”
            Matthew 16:11-12

            “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
            2 John 1:9-11

            “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.”
            2 Peter 2:1-3

            God tells us what to do with those who cause division and offenses contrary to the doctrines of God/Christ.

            “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.”
            Romans 16:17-18

            “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
            Galatians 1:6-9

            And this “Christian” man invites an anti-Christ teacher to witness to Christians, to preach his own anti-Christ doctrines.

            This wasn’t called “Let’s save muslims” gathering – it was called “inter-faith” gathering, which is more deception, pretending we will be getting along with them, make friends with them, find common ground and so on.

      • Numa Newbern

        I don’t see in the epistles Paul or the other Apostles having TRAINING classes on HOW to dialog with false religions, matter of fact the Apostles were trying to root out what had crept in.

        • Paula Coyle

          That’s what much of the epistles were devoted to. The only reason we don’t see it is because they did it verbally except when absent from the church. But that is exactly what they did. And Acts 17 seems pretty clear there were public discussions going on.

      • Paula Coyle

        well and Andy Woods insists we must bring in a Christian expert to talk to the church… where did the Christian expert get his information? Some ppl are choking on the fact that Qadhi is a conservative Muslim and “why him” (Janet Mefferd went on about this in her hostile interview with White). Does she mean to say she’d be OK if he picked some OTHER Muslim? She was an embarrassment the way she treated him.

  • Becky

    So, in order for Muslims to hear the gospel, Christians must hear the lies of Islam? The Scriptures do not teach that we should hear what evil-doers believe. On the contrary, we’re taught to avoid them (eg 1Tim6:3-5, Romans16:17).

    Our heavenly Father is a jealous God (Exo34:14, Deut4:24) and doesn’t want us mingling with the enemy…we have many scriptures of those warnings and for good reason, of course. Just a quick example…Adam and Eve were perfect and had an intimate, living relationship with Almighty God. Yet, the serpent (Satan) was able to convince them to sin against God by simply telling them his lies.

    • Jim Blainey

      For clarification, are you a Hyper-Calvinist?

      • Becky

        Don’t know what’s given you that notion.

        • Jim Blainey

          Hyper-Calvinists reject missions and believe you shouldn’t share the Gospel with everyone. It seems odd that, given the Great Commission to go proclaim the Gospel to every creature, you’re saying we should avoid evil-doers (which is literally everyone; Rom. 3:10-12). How do you share the Gospel with someone while avoiding them and not mingling with them?

          In Acts we see Paul day after day reasoning with unbelievers in synagogues, market places, even lecture halls of Greek philosophers. So Paul mingled with evil-doers. He certainly didn’t avoid them. And when you “reason with” someone, it means both parties explain and defend their positions, so he heard what the evil-doers believe.

          • michael louwe

            Why did God choose Paul and not Peter or the other apostles to preach to the unbelieving Gentiles.?

            Because Paul, as the former Saul of Tarsus, was a zealous Pharisee who had lived among the unbelieving Gentiles as a Roman citizen = he understood their culture and religions. So, Paul was the perfect instrument for God to use to preach the Judeo-Christian faith to the Gentiles. It took a lot of convincing for Paul to agree to be thus used by God as the apostle to the Gentiles.(ACTS.9)

            This happened after most of the Jews had rejected Jesus of Nazareth as their Messiah/Christ/Saviour(1JOHN.2:22), ie God opened the gospel of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ to the Gentiles via Paul.

            Similarly, if God wanted to outreach to certain Muslims, He would have used a knowledgeable ex-Muslim convert, instead of a Christian like James White.
            ……. If White or other Christian missionaries wanted to learn more about Islam, he should have gone to a knowledgeable ex-Muslim convert or Google-Search the Internet, instead of going to Dr. Yasir Qadhi who clearly has “ulterior” motives.
            ……. Seems, James White is operating in the power of the flesh, and not the power of the Spirit of God/Holy Spirit.

          • Jim Blainey

            Your special revelation from the Holy Spirit regarding why God chooses whom he chooses is unfalsifiable, so I am unable to respond.

            However, I will add that God used the Apostle John to teach both Jewish and Gentile believers from his home in Ephesus during the last years of his life. And John shows a keen awareness of Greek philosophy (Greek cosmology of the Logos), as well as Gnosticism, and it’s influence upon the growth of Docetism in the early church. These would have been foreign to an uneducated Gallilleean. In fact, Gnosticism didn’t even exist during the early writing of the New Testament canon. So the next time you receive special revelation from the Holy Spirit, could you ask him why God used an uneducated Jew from Galilee instead of someone already verse in Greek pagan philosophy?

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            Peter was chosen. Read Acts 15:7.

          • michael louwe

            No, Peter was not chosen by God/Jesus to be the apostle of the Gentiles.

            GALATIANS.2: = 7 But on the contrary, when they saw that the gospel for the uncircumcised had been committed to me, as the gospel for the circumcised was to Peter 8 (for
            He who worked effectively in Peter for the apostleship to the
            circumcised also worked effectively in me toward the Gentiles), 9 and
            when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the
            grace that had been given to me, they gave me and Barnabas the right
            hand of fellowship, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised. 10 They desired only that we should remember the poor, the very thing which I also was eager to do.

          • Becky

            I never once said that we’re not to share to gospel. I clearly stated that the Scriptures do not teach that we should hear what evil-doers believe (eg 1Cor15:33, 2Jn1:10-11) and that Almighty God doesn’t want us mingling with the enemy (eg 2Cor6:14-18, Ps106:35). Christians are under no obligation to listen to lies against Almighty God, which is all that Qadhi had to offer. Qadhi took God’s word and trampled it…repeatedly.

            “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.” Matthew 7:6

          • Jim Blainey

            The false teachers that Jesus, Paul, John, Peter, etc. rebuked for false teaching in the New Testament were people who were claiming to be Christians, but preached a perverted version of the gospel.

            Muslims are not false teachers claiming to be Christians. They are not wolves in sheep’s clothing who we must shun, avoid, and ban from the church. They are lost sinners who have been deceived. Our job is to love them and share the Gospel with them.

            The passages you cite should be utilized by Christians against charlatans like Todd Bentley. His heresy is sweeping through churches and leading believers astray.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            What are Muslims doing in the church then, instructing Christians?

          • Jim Blainey

            Dr. Qadhi was not claiming to be a Christian and instructing Christians that they must be circumcised in order to be saved, like the false teachers Paul rebuked in Galatians.

            Nor was he claiming to be a Christian and instructing Christians that Jesus did not have a physical body, like the false teachers John rebuked in 1 John.

            He is a Muslim and he was explaining his beliefs and correcting misrepresentations of his beliefs at an event to held on a Tuesday night in a church building attended by Christians who had obtained tickets to the event so that they might better understand Muslim beliefs to they might more effectively share the Gospel with Muslims in their community.

            A church building, I might add, which is a wholly unnecessary, extrabiblical, human invention that did not exist for the first 300 years of church history. Most Christians throughout history have not had the luxury of church buildings, and many still today meet in public places such as public school buildings, restaurants, movie theaters, homes, etc. And even churches that meet in their own building have the liberty to use their facilities for non-church functions, such as high school graduation ceremonies, political meetings, civic meetings, concerts, and religious debates and dialogues.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            As a Muslim, Qadhi was instructing Christians on what Islam teaches. Where in the Bible does it state Christians should assemble to be told how to regard Islam by Muslims? Are you familiar with what Qadhi teaches? It’s anti-Semitic and anti-Christian. Are you familiar with the term “taqiyya”? Qadhi is and he practices it. Says a lot about Dr. White that he considers such a man to be a kindred spirit.

          • Jim Blainey

            Of course that’s what Dr. Qadhi believes. He’s a MUSLIM!!! That’s what Muslims believe!

            Apparently you are kindred spirits with Bernie Sanders, feigning offense that devout Christians actual hold to historic Christian beliefs (or devout Muslims actually hold to historic Muslim beliefs). Ironically, that is the actual context to the “kindred spirit” comment for those who actually care about context.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I know better than you do what Muslims believe. I am the only Christian in my family.

            Why you would illogically mention Bernie Sanders is beyond me, except that Bernie Sanders and James White hold a lot of identical viewpoints concerning Islam.

            There is no place for an Islamic imam to address Christians in a Christian church.

          • Jim Blainey

            I didn’t realize I was dialoguing with a expert of Islam. If I had, I would have been much more suspicious of you, as the false doctrine you’ve ingested has likely turned you into a useful idiot for Islam.

            I bring up Bernie Sanders because of an interaction he had with a Christian during a senate confirmation hearing last month. I don’t know if you heard about it, but your position against Dr. Qadhi is exactly like Sanders’ position against Russell Vought. (Can you believe this religious person actually believes what his religion teaches?!?!?!)

            Dr. White addressed this in the same Dividing Line where he refuted the original Brannon Howse hit piece. It’s clear that White and Sanders do not agree on anything. But since you’re an Islamic expert, not a James White expert, I wouldn’t expect you to know that.

            And it was a free ticketed event featuring a Muslim and Christian dialoguing in a space where Christians sometimes meet for corporate worship, a la the synagogue in Acts 17.

            But you’re an Islamic expert, not a grammatico-historical hermeneutic expert, so I wouldn’t expect you to know that.

          • Becky

            Okay, either you’re deliberately twisting my words or you simply can’t comprehend what I’m clearly stating. I’ve never once stated that we shouldn’t share the gospel. Once again…I stated Christians are under no obligation to listen to lies against Almighty God neither should we mingle with those who teach lies against God, as per God’s word. That’s the crux of the matter. Btw, the scriptures that I submitted are absolutely concerning anyone…anyone…who teaches a false doctrine and/or an unbeliever. Read for yourself.

            Do not be deceived: “Evil company corrupts good habits.” Awake to righteousness, and do not sin; for some do not have the knowledge of God. I speak this to your shame.1 Cor 15:33.34

            If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him; for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds. 2 Jn 1:10,11

            Do not be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said: “I will dwell in them And walk among them. I will be their God, And they shall be My people.” Therefore “Come out from among them And be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, And I will receive you.” “I will be a Father to you, And you shall be My sons and daughters, Says the Lord Almighty.” 2 Cor 6:14-18

            But they mingled with the Gentiles And learned their works; They served their idols, Which became a snare to them. Ps 106:35-36

          • Jim Blainey

            I don’t think I’m twisting your words. You’re being quite clear, I just think you’re wrong. Specifically, there are two biblical categories of unbelievers in the New Testament. One group we are to shun, avoid, and separate from. The other group we are to talk to, reason with, contend for the Gospel, and try to win to Jesus.

            You’re putting Muslims in the wrong group.

            All the NT passages you cite are dealing with the first group. Pharisees, Sadducees, Judiazers, Gnostics, Docetists, etc. These were people WITHIN the church who claiming to be Christians but teaching false doctrine (circumcision necessary for salvation, special mystical knowledge, Jesus had no physical body, no physical resurrection, etc.)

            The other group are plain old sinners who have been deceived and worship false gods. They are OUTSIDE the church. They are our mission field. We’re not supposed to avoid them. Instead, we should be finding ways to open doors of communication, building relationships, and sharing the Gospel. In Bible times this group included unbelieving Jews, worshipers of various Greek and Roman deities, Epicureans, Stoics, Mithraism, etc. Today we would include athiests, agnostics, Deists, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, Buddhists, Hindus, etc. There are hundreds if not thousands of apologetics resources today explaining what these religions teach and how we can go about reaching out to them.

            You are putting Muslims in the first group. They belong in the second group.

          • Becky

            Firstly, I simply quoted Scripture and I kept it in context and every one of those Scriptures pertain to anyone/everyone who teaches lies or is an unbeliever. Secondly, I’m not grouping Muslims at all. Thirdly, they can hear the gospel all they want, but nothing within the Scriptures teach that we are to listen to their lies in exchange, or at all. Lastly, the scripture(s) that you’re claiming that states there are “two biblical categories of unbelievers”…show me it.

          • Jim Blainey

            Numerous times in the book of Acts, Christians gathered in the synagogues and Paul or another disciple would preach. At other times, Paul would stand in the same exact location and reason with unbelieving Jews and Greeks. These dialogues would include people of all the different faiths I mentioned in the second group earlier (unbelieving Jews, worshipers of various Greek and Roman deities, Epicureans, Stoics, Mithraists, etc.).

            Paul didn’t avoid, shun, kick them out of the synagogue, or do any of the things the verses you’ve quoted multiple times command believers to do. So either Paul was violating scripture by mingling with evil-doers, or there are two different categories of unbelievers: those Christians can greet, mingle with, befriend, and dialogue with, and those whom Christians are to cast out and not have anything to do with.

            This is also seen in the historical context of the verses you repeatedly cite. Jesus opposed the Pharisees. Paul opposed the Judiazers. John opposed the Gnostics and Docetists. These were all false teachers WITHIN the church claiming to be Christians. The warnings were all internally focused.

            Pagans were all OUTSIDE the church, and not seen as a threat, but a mission field. This is most clearly seen in Paul’s interactions with the Athenians in Acts 17. Now the Athenians were known for both talking and listening. We see Paul reasoning with Jews and devout pagans. Epicureans and Stoics were conversing with him. Paul had familiarized himself with local customs and religious beliefs, and used those beliefs to contrast the truth of the Gospel.

            Paul’s example of interacting with pagans with gentleness and respect is a far cry from what you seem to be implying Christians should be doing to Muslims. I’d rather follow Paul’s example.

          • Becky

            So…no Scripture to back up your so-called two biblical categories of unbelievers. Not surprised at all, because what you’re teaching is not according to Scripture.

          • Jim Blainey

            In my previous response I directly quoted several verses and referred to several others, including some you have posted. I didn’t feel the need to type the references out since i was quoting them, but if you want a list I am happy to oblige.
            ____________________
            Verses that deal with the first group (false teachers WITHIN the church):

            These include Pharisees, Sadducees, Judiazers, Gnostics, Docetists, and others. What they all have in common is they claim to be religious leaders or Christians, but they are teaching perverted doctrine or a false Gospel. The threat is coming from within the church. They are strongly rebuked, and Christians are instructed to avoid them, separate from them, silence them, not associate or partner with them, and kick them out of the fellowship. Modern day examples would be Word of Faith preachers, Todd Bentley.

            Matthew 7:15-20; 16:11-12; Luke 11:37-52; Luke 20:45-47; Acts 20:28-30; Romans 16:17 1 Corinthians 15:12-33; 2 Corinthians 6:14-18; Galatians 6:12-13; Philippians 3:1-3; 1 Timothy 6:3-5; 2 Timothy 4:3-4; Titus 1:10-14; 2 Peter 2:1-22; 3:17; 1 John 2:18-19; 2 John 10-11.

            ____________________
            Verses that deal with the second group (pagans OUTSIDE the church):

            These include unbelieving Jews, worshipers of various Greek and Roman deities, Epicureans, Stoics, Mithraists, etc. What they all have in common is they identify themselves as pagans, not as Christians. Their teachings are obviously contrary to Christian doctrine, and they are not seen as a threat, but a mission field. Jesus loves them, talks to them, touches them, and performs miracles for them. Paul talks to them, listens to them, argues with them, learns about their beliefs and uses those beliefs to contrast the truth of the Gospel. Modern day examples include Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, etc.

            Matthew 8:5-13; 15:21-28; John 4:1-42; Acts 6:9-10; 9:20-25; 13:5-12; 14;1-2,11-22; 17:1-4,17-21, 18:4,19.
            ____________________

            So these scriptures show two groups, both comprised of unbelievers. Yet one group claimed to be Christians, one claimed to be pagans. One seen as a threat, the other a mission field. One group engaged in dialogue (Acts 14:11-22; 17:1-3), the other silenced (Titus 1:10-14).

            On the multiple occasions I cited in Acts, Paul entered the synagogue (the place Christians would often gather to hear Paul preach). In the exact same location Paul would meet and dialogue with pagans. Paul didn’t avoid, shun, kick them out of the synagogue, or do any of the things the verses in the first group instruct Christians to do. So either Paul was violating scripture by mingling with evil-doers, or there are two different categories of unbelievers: those Christians can greet, mingle with, befriend, and dialogue with, and those whom Christians are to cast out, separate from, and silence.

          • Becky

            Your “first group”…
            The Pharisees (et al) are specifically mentioned in some of those Scriptures because they were guilty of specific sins…period. It didn’t mean that Christ didn’t want them to be saved else why correct them. As a matter of fact, many of the Pharisees and Sadducees ultimately became believers (Jn3:1-2; 12:42, Acts 6:7), because of Christ’s words towards them. Btw, enemies came from within and/or without the flock as Acts 20:29-30 clearly states.

            Concerning your “second group”…
            In Matthew 8:5-13, Christ helped the centurion because he believed and had faith in Christ. It certainly wasn’t because the centurion was an unbeliever and trampled God’s word else He wouldn’t have helped him. In like manner is the pattern followed in most of the Scriptures that you submitted for your “second group”. Also, there were some in your “second group” who were absolutely a threat to God’s people. For example, in Acts 6:9-10, those who heard Stephen teaching the Scriptures lied about him and attacked him, because they didn’t like hearing it. Ultimately they stoned him to death (acts 7).

            In closing…what Christ stated in Matthew 15:21-28 clearly invalidates your two groups teachings. Christ told the Canaan woman that He had only come for the lost sheep of Israel, which meant that she wouldn’t have been included, at all. Christ told her that the children’s bread wasn’t for the little dogs, meaning gentiles/pagans/unbelievers, like her. However, she showed her faith in Christ and worshiped him. Then He helped her.

            Follow the Word of God, alone.

          • Jim Blainey

            I never said Christ didn’t want the Pharisees to be saved.

            My point was that Pharisees were false religious leaders. They were on the “inside,” claiming to follow God when they weren’t.

            That’s the definition of the first group. Jesus reserves his harshest rebukes for them.

            The Roman centurion and Canaanite woman (and unbelieving Jews and Greeks in Acts) were on the “outside” (second group). They were not claiming to be Jews (pre-resurrection) or Christians (post-resurrection). They claimed to be a Roman (likely a Mithraist) and a Canaanite (descendant of original inhabitants of Judea). Jesus responded with compassion, not harsh rebuke.

            The categories I’m talking about have specific definitions. In your response, you are expanding the limits of the categories to find similarities between the two groups.

            The verses I cited for the first group specifically refer to their status as “insiders,” unbelievers claiming to be Christians.

            The verses I cited for the second group specifically refer to their status as “outsiders,” unbelievers NOT claiming to be Christians

            There are similarities between individuals within both groups that have nothing to do with the categories. Everyone in both groups are sinners. Christ wants all of them to be saved. All of them are loved by God and created in His image. Anyone from either group can end up either becoming a believer or remaining an unbeliever. Their being in either group dictates how Christians should treat them (separation or compassion), not their final state.

            I’m using the same categories Paul used in 1 Corinthians 5:9-13.
            Insiders and outsiders.

            Paul is clarifying the Corinthian’s misunderstanding. Paul says in verses 9 & 10, “I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people— not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world.”

            That’s the second group: unbelievers *outside* the church who act like unbelievers. We ARE to associate with them (in order to win them to Christ, like Paul throughout the book of Acts).

            In verse 11, Paul states, “But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler—not even to eat with such a one.”

            That’s the first group: unbelievers inside the church who claim to be Christians (bears the name of brother). We ARE NOT to associate with them, but put them were they rightly belong: *outside* the church. A la Romans 16:17, 2 Corinthians 6:14-18, 1 Timothy 6:3-5, Titus 1:10-14, 2 Peter 3:17, 2 John 10-11, etc.

          • michael louwe

            Fyi, the first Christians in the world were Jewish Christians/JewC who continued to keep Moses Law. like the Jews, eg the apostles. So, the early JewC continued to worship God in the synagogue and Holy Temple of Jerusalem together with the Jews without much problem, even with Peter and Paul preaching in the synagogues.

            But when Paul began to bring newly-converted Gentile Christians/GC into the synagogues to worship God, a great conflict and controversy arose since most GC did not keep Moses Law, eg were uncircumcised and ate non-kosher foods. The Jews and some JewC opposed the presence of GC in the synagogues unless they kept Moses Law as well, as per GAL.2:9-14 and ACTS.15:24-29.

            Thereafter, Christians began worshipping God in their own Churches. Some JewC continued to worship God in the synagogues, ie not in the new Churches. They were called the Judaizers who were led by James, the bishop of Jerusalem and a brother of Jesus Christ.

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            How could James be a brother of Christ? There are two men named James in the Bible. One is the son of Zebedee and the other is the son of Alpheus.

          • Reason2012

            Becky referred to inviting them into our church buildings / our houses / befriending them to teach their lies to Christians, not instead referring to sharing the gospel, rebuking their lies about Christ. To pretend that means she says we are not to witness to them is dishonest.

  • David Mason

    There seems to be a lot of confusion about the difference between the church and a building:

    Acts 7:48 – However, the Most High does not dwell in houses made by human hands; as the prophet says:
    ‘Heaven is My throne,
    And earth is the footstool of My feet;
    What kind of house will you build for Me?’ says the Lord,
    ‘Or what place is there for My repose? ‘Was it not My hand which made all these things?’

    1 Cor. 6:19 – Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God?

    Y’all need to repent of y’alls idolatry.

    • FoJC

      No, the building isn’t the Church, but if a building is built for the LORD’s purposes, then it becomes the house of those people who meet in it. If people invite those who are antichrist into their midst to ‘hear them out’, then they are sinning against the Holy Spirit.

      Follow Jesus, find Truth.

      • Jim Blainey

        You forgot to cite the scriptures that back up your assumptions.

        • Reason2012

          “If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
          2 John 1:10-11

          Yet you teach it’s ok to invite them into the places you use for Church?

          “Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.”
          Matthew 16:6

          He didn’t say to invite Pharisees into your houses and where you hold your meetings to teach their anti-Christ doctrines.

          • Jim Blainey

            Dr. Qadhi is neither a Docetist nor a Pharisee.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Nor is he a Christian so why is he preaching in a church of God?

          • Jim Blainey

            Easy. He was not preaching in a church.

            The New Testament gives examples of how Christians out to respond to false teachers claiming to be Christians and introducing false doctrine.

            It also gives examples of how Christians out to interact with devout followers of other religions.

            You guys are advocating the opposite.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Then show me where Paul and Barnabas invited worshippers of Mars and Diana to preach in the church?

            You can’t give one example because, guess what? It never happened! The apostles warned AGAINST such things! “Come out of her my people and touch not the unclean thing”. Instead, James White brought “the unclean thing” into the church and listened to false doctrine.

          • Jim Blainey

            You are begging the question.

            You first need to prove that the Tuesday night ticketed event billed as a dialogue between a Christian and a Muslim which Christians attended as an outreach event met the biblical requirements for corporate worship.

            Was the Bible read? Did an elder preach? Were song, hymns, or spiritual songs sung? Was there corporate prayer? Did the observe the Lord’s Supper?

            Christians hadn’t invented church buildings yet, so the place where Christians would worship and the place where they would reason with unbelievers were one and the same.

            So if James White violated 2 Cor 6:17 when he reasoned with an unbeliever in the same space in which a church also occasionally worships corporately, then how did Paul not also violate the same scripture when he reasoned with the Jews and Greeks in the synagogue?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You seem confused about what constitutes a meeting of the church. All it takes is for 2 or 3 to be gathered in His name, not in the name of Islam. James

            Paul did not place non-believers up at the pulpit to instruct the church about paganism.

          • Jim Blainey

            Context. Matthew 18 is talking about church discipline, not corporate worship. The New Testament gives specific instructions about what constitutes corporate worship. Then we get into the debate between the regulative vs. normative principle of corporate worship. I digress.

            Paul never stood behind a pulpit because they didn’t exist, just like church buildings didn’t exist. So there is no biblical precedent for what can and can not take place inside church buildings outside of corporate worship. Some churches play bingo, some invite Muslims over to hear the Gospel. Potato, potahto.

            But let’s take your argument that Paul standing behind a pulpit constitutes a church meeting. Great, I agree. And since there was no pulpit present at the dialogue back in January, and neither man stood, they were both seated with a table between them. So by your own definition, White could not “place an unbeliever up at the pulpit.”

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s nonsense. The Bible is talking about exactly what it says. It is very clear so that even a child cannot err in it. It’s not hard to understand.

            Muslims were not invited by James White to hear the gospel. Christians were invited to be leavened by Qadhi’s fake representation of Islam in an attempt to detract from what Islam really is, and that’s a hateful, political ideology.

          • Jim Blainey

            So a husband and wife who habitually skip Sunday morning church services and stay home are not violating Hebrews 10:25, since technically, according to your interpretation of Matthew 18 which was written long before the church even began at Pentecost, the two of them alone together constitute a “church meeting.” ….oookkkaaayyy.

            Also more factual errors because you haven’t done your homework.

            James White didn’t invite anyone, the church that hosted did. Also this was a public ticketed event. One of the pastors of the hosting church said that about 30-40% of the crowd of over 150 were Muslims, but there were only a few members of his church in attendance. So the majority of the audience were not members of the church, but members of the public whose religious affiliations are unknown (again, this was not a church service). And the church members who DID attend had been trained in how the share the Gospel with Muslims, and many of them stayed well past midnight (the event ended at 9pm) evangelizing Muslims who attended.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re intentionally obtuse (or very, very deceived). Neither bodes well for you.

          • Jim Blainey

            I’m not obtuse, you’re just very, very unpersuasive. You keep making assertions without backing them up, and in fact are easily refuted by basic level research. And the scripture you quote is not only taken out of context, but completely opposite of how orthodox Christians have interpreted them throughout church history.

            If two or three Christians in close proximity constitutes de facto corporate worship without any of the other elements required by scripture, then every single evangelistic and apologetic encounter Paul had in the book of Acts was a violation of the multitude of passages commanding believers to silence and expel false teachers from within the church.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Bible verses are the best back-up and the only reason for believing anything. I’ve given you plenty of those. You just don’t like what they say so you pretend they don’t exist. Shame on you.

          • Jim Blainey

            You have listed a handful of proof texts: 1 Cor 6, 2 John, Matt. 18. Are there any others?

            I haven’t ignored them. I addressed them all and explained, using their context, that they can’t mean what you say.

            Meanwhile, I’ve asked you questions in return, citing and EXPLAINING scripture that contradicts your arguments.

            Not a word from you about Hebrews 10:25.

            Not a word from you about Galatians 3.

            Not a word from you about Acts 17.

            Not. A. Word.

            You are the one dancing and dodging around the Scriptures.

            Just today after you proof-texted 2 John 9-11 for the umpteenth time, I asked, “How could John’s use of the term “your house” refer to church buildings which would not exist for another 300 years?”

            It’s basic exegesis. Crickets from you. How disappointing.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I haven’t dodged any of your questions. You haven’t realized that you received answers to them because you don’t even know what you are quoting in the first place.

            You seem confused about what an assembly was in the Old Covenant and what an assembly was in the New Covenant. They are the same thing.

            Second of all, I did not say John was speaking about a church when he said “your house” but rather that he was speaking about a literal home of the individual believer. How can you read my comment otherwise?

            You appear to have a reading comprehension problem, as well as lack discernment.

          • Jim Blainey

            You say “I did not say John was speaking about a church when he said “your house” but rather that he was speaking about a literal home of the individual believer. How can you read my comment otherwise?”

            Actually, your exact words from earlier today were *quote*, “If you’re not supposed to receive him in your house, what’s this guy doing in front of a church lecturing Christians on the false merits of Islam?”

            You were the one who made the argument that 2 John 10 applied to a Muslim speaking in a church building.

            If that was not your argument, then why bring it up in this context?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re purposely being obtuse. My comment explained the context perfectly, yet you pretend to not understand. But then again, you really might be that ignorant. After all, you are defending “Dr.” White, the non-doctor who uses that false title.

          • Jim Blainey

            I think you misunderstood. I’m agreeing with you.

            The explanation you offered was that 2 John 10 has nothing to do with church buildings

            Specifically, you said, “I did not say John was speaking about a church when he said “your house” but rather that he was speaking about a literal home of the individual believer.”

            I agree with this explanation. It contradicts the argument you made when you originally cited the verse, therefore point is conceded by default because you refuted your own argument.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You don’t even understand what people are saying, so how can you know if you agree with others or not? In fact, you sound as obtuse and confused as “Dr.” White.

          • Jim Blainey

            That’s also interesting, if two people gathered constitutes a church meeting, then all the times Paul was reasoning with the Greeks in the synagogue, he was allowing pagans to preach their views IN A CHURCH WORSHIP SERVICE!!!

            And to make matters worse, in Acts 14, when the Greek followrs of Zeus were allowed to preach their views during the church meeting, Luke wrote down their words so that they are STILL TEACHING THEIR FALSE DOCTRINE TO CHRISTIANS 2000 YEARS LATER!!!!!

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Reasoning with someone is different than giving someone a platform in order to instruct believers about a false religion.

          • Jim Blainey

            I agree, but what happened was a Christian and Muslim reasoning together, not a Muslim preaching to believers during a church service. The dialogue was a public event attended by a majority of non-church members. It was an apologetic event hosted by a church in the public arena like what occurred dozens of recorded times in the book of Acts.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Dude, Satan also “dialogued” with Eve in the garden of Eden and look what happened. The apostle John said “If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:” (2 John 1:10)

            If you’re not supposed to receive him in your house, what’s this guy doing in front of a church lecturing Christians on the false merits of Islam?

            “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:8)

          • Jim Blainey

            I occasionally invite Mormons, Jehovah’s Witnesses, and atheists into my house. I listen to them share their beliefs, then I share my beliefs. (I have taught this apologetic technique for decades.) Is this wrong?

            How could John’s use of the term “your house” refer to church buildings which would not exist for another 300 years?

            You said, ” in front of a church lecturing Christians.” Please substantiate this. This was a public event open to the entire community, not a church gathering.

            More assertions and verses taken out of context. How disappointing.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re not following the Word of God then.

          • Jim Blainey

            Wow, I think this is the first straight answer you’ve given out of the dozens of questions I’ve asked.

            You’re wrong. but at least you didn’t dance around the question or change the subject like you normally do. Good job!

          • Jim Blainey

            I also want to comment on your statemnet, “Satan also “dialogued” with Eve in the garden of Eden and look what happened.”

            I know you’re just throwing out every half-witted, ill-concieved argument you can think of hoping that something will stick, but the obvious self-refutation of this statement is an important application of this issue.

            The problem was not Satan’s “dialoguing” with Eve, as Satan is not allowed to tempt anyone without God’s consent and superintendence. (Job 1; 1 Cor. 10:13)

            The problem was that Eve was unprepared to “give a defense” of her belief in God’s truth, and she was easily lead astray. The fault of this lies with her husband, who was given authority and responsibility over her, but is conspicuously absent in her encounters with the Serpent.

            Likewise, pastors today hold responsibility and authority over their flock, to equip them for the work of ministry, feed them, protect them, and train them to know, share, and defend the Gospel.

            If Christians are going to reach out to evangelize the Muslims in their communities, they are going to have to engage in dialogue. Paul’s apologetic ministry to the Jews and Greeks throughout the book of Acts demonstrates this. These Christians will either be prepared to defend the Gospel by having seen Christianity and Islam contrasted (such as the resource provided by the dialogue earlier this year), or they will hear it first from the Muslim (like Eve heard it from Satan), and likewise be lead astray.

            Or a third option is Christians will build walls of fear between themselves and Muslims, and not share the Gospel with them at all, which I still contend is the practice of most of those who are criticizing James White.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            How long before James White brings in Satanists to “dialogue”?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            reason ….. proof texting …. is not proof ….. you are OUT OF CONTEXT ….. and your continuing to do so is not proper use of scripture …. it is a private interpretation …..

          • Reason2012

            “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God.”

            What doctrine is that? Salvation by Christ. That Christ is God.

            “If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine.”

            Do islamists bring the doctrine of salvation through Christ? No. Quite the opposite. So they “bring not this doctrine”

            “receive him not into your house”

            So we are not to receive islamists into our house. Yet Mr. White claims to befriend them and to receive them to groups of Christians to teach Christians their anti-Christ doctrines.

            “neither bid him God speed”

            A primary verb; to be full of “cheer”, that is, calmly happy or well off; impersonal especially as a salutation (on meeting or parting), be well: – farewell, be glad, God speed, greeting, hail, joy (-fully), rejoice.

            So we’re not not to bid them to be full of “cheer”, that is, calmly happy or well off; impersonal especially as a salutation (on meeting or parting), be well: – farewell, be glad, God speed, greeting, hail, joy (-fully), rejoice.

            Mr. White says to befriend them, doing all these things, and he greeted him in precisely this manner before and after the “dialogue”.

            Words mean what they say.

            “Then Jesus said unto them, Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.”

            That means take heed and beware of anti-Christ leaven that is contrary to God’s truth.

            There’s nothing to interpret there – words mean what they say. With all due respect, please prove how what is written there in God’s Word means something else besides what it clearly says as there’s really nothing there to “interpret” beyond taking the words at face value.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            more proof texts … and it does not provide biblical truth ….. the three rules for EXEGESIS are:

            1. context
            2. Context
            3. CONTEXT ……….

            and you are OUT OF CONTEXT …………

          • Reason2012

            Of course the rule for exegesis is context.
            However, still waiting for you to back up your claim and SHOW how this case is supposedly “out of context”.
            You seem unable to do so. I rest my case.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            context is the CONTEXT of the surrounding scriptures and the WHOLE of scripture ….. what you are describing is isogesis …. and you should learn the difference …………..

    • michael louwe

      MATTHEW.18: = Dealing with a Sinning Brother

      15 “Moreover if your brother sins against you, go and tell him his fault between you
      and him alone. If he hears you, you have gained your brother. 16 But if he will not hear, take with you one or two more, that ‘by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established.’[b] 17 And if he refuses to hear them, tell it to the CHURCH. But if he refuses even to hear the CHURCH, let him be to you like a heathen and a tax collector.

      18 “Assuredly, I say to you, whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and
      whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.

      19 “Again I say[c] to you that if two of you agree on earth concerning anything that they ask, it will be done for them by My Father in heaven. 20 For where TWO OR THREE ARE GATHERED TOGETHER in My name, I am there in the midst of them.”
      _ _ _ _ _ _ _

      It is often in Church that 2 or 3 or more Christians are gathered together in the name of Jesus the Christ/Messiah/Saviour.

      ……. Of course, this kind of gathering among Christians can also happen less often elsewhere.

    • Reason2012

      The enemy of Christ was invited into a church building, which again is a sign of acceptance and of promoting their lies. We’re not even supposed to invite such anti-Christ deceivers into our own houses.

      “If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
      2 John 1:10-11

  • Michael Anthony

    Some of you commenters are missing the point completely – this was done in front of a Christian audience, regardless of the building or day of the week.

    None of this Muslim brotherhood sympathiser’s antichrist points were refuted by White. His denial of the Deity of Christ, his (and islam’s) total denial of the Resurrection – was any of this refuted by White? No.

    Coward Christians who refuse to stand up for your Saviour and the valour of the Cross.

    They won’t let us build churches in Saudi Arabia but they want mosques in America, then you invite them to teach islam in our churches? Then you find all kinds of reasoning to justify it. How dumb are you guys?

    You have been outwitted, and outmaneuvered by the cunning of the enemy. Now the camel has its nose in the tent.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      actually it was done before christians AND muslims ………… and it does make a difference as to the CONTEXT of what took place ……

      “Coward Christians who refuse to stand up for your Saviour and the valour of the Cross.”

      it took great courage to stand in front of those muslims a tell them about Christ ….. so not sure what you are talking about ………..

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        That’s not what he did.

        • LintonCaldecott

          Lol. You’re in error.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why don’t you correct me if I’m in error? More specifically, why CAN’T you correct me?

          • LintonCaldecott

            You claim that he did not speak openly about the gospel, clearly sharing biblical truth, he did… all you have to do is watch the dialogues. This was always billed as a 2 part event, you KNEW by not attending one you were not getting both sides of the story. It’s totally dishonest to pull the two apart and claim that because the Muslim got the majority time in the first part that somehow Dr. White is failing to stand up for Christ.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Standing in a church next to an idolater is not standing up for Christ. Do you know what Qadhi says about Christians in Arabic?

          • Paula Coyle

            Oh my goodness GO WATCH THE TWO PART LONG VERSION OF THE WHOLE TWO DIALOGUES and stop making a damn fool of yourself.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            “But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the heart; and they defile the man.” (Matthew 15:18)

          • LintonCaldecott

            Well, I got timecodes in the second discussion for you to watch through, but for some reason the comment is in moderation and has been for 5 hours

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You can’t post links here, but I’ve watched the second discussion.

            You should watch this:
            worldviewweekend.DOTcom/tv/video/evangelical-minister-calls-jihadi-imam-mentor-says-he-senses-kindred-spirit-him-during

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          then you did not watch the video … and yes it was ……….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You clearly didn’t see the entire event.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i saw it when it happen …. 5 months ago ………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            But did you really see?

      • Michael Anthony

        What? Teaching about Christ? You are confused – it was the muslim teaching Christians about islam, not the other way round.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          sorry … you are wrong ….. it was BOTH ….. and i have confidence in the salvific blood of Christ that if ANY true christian heard anything about Christ not scriptural ….. then it would be rejected …. and the rest are not our responsibility ……….. Christ will not lose even one that belongs to the Father ….. so says scripture ………..

          • Michael Anthony

            Proof please. Audio/video/link. And please stop typing like a telegraph, its annoying.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            objection and to form noted …… i do not care ….. the video is on youtube ….. if you care to watch … which i am guessing you have not ………

          • Michael Anthony

            I have watched the youtube clip of Qhadi telling a church audience the virtues of islam. Now can you please supply a link of White preaching to muslims with clear Gospel message at the mosque/muslim centre to a muslim audience? Otherwise you are a liar.

          • Reason2012

            Even if he did preach the gospel of Christ in the mosque, it’s ignoring God’s commands to invite an anti-Christ teacher to teach HIS anti-Christ doctrines to Christians, let alone even in a Christian church building, pretending it’s some sort of “inter-faith” dialogue where will should all get along in spite of God’s truth of salvation through Christ and their hatred for that truth of salvation (in this case doing it with islamists).

            We are to preach to the lost, but some think that means it’s fine to invite them to teach their poison to all Christians, let alone in a Christian church building, under the pretense of “inter-faith” and getting along and becoming friends in spite of their hatred for the truth of Christ.

            Utterly mind-boggling.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            what is utterly mind boggling is that you think you can witness to muslims and not know what they think ….. and how they will respond …. and what your approach should be ….. now you can just “wing it” …. or you can be prepared to give an answer ….. as scripture tells us to do …….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            One needs the Holy Spirit in order to know how to witness to Muslims, not knowledge of the Qur’an. I was saved through someone giving me a Bible, not through that person knowing about Islam.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            did not say anything about the Koran … i said how they think ……….. and no …… you were not saved by that ….. although you may think you were ……. not what scripture says about HOW we are saved and in what manner ……

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I was saved by the Word of God. One cannot come face to face with Jesus Christ and remain the same.

          • Paula Coyle

            So the fact that James White preached the Word of God to a mosque partially filled with Muslims doesn’t mean anything to you? Somehow God’s word is less powerful than the Koran, or the Mosque building, or whatever Qadhi said?

          • Michael Anthony

            Have you looked into Yasir Qhadi’s links with the muslim brotherhood? Things he has said in the past about killing, raping of Christians? Didn’t you say google is your friend? Try googling ‘yasser qhadi speech against christians’ The shoe bomber was one of his students.
            He belongs to a salafist group, you know the ultraconservative, jihad brand.

            Have you read the CIA’s charter about the muslim brotherhood’s plan for stealth jihad in the US? Why are we having a dialogue with these people? Because they van be trusted? White has become a useful idiot in promoting the cause of islam. Do you honestly think these debates are furthering the Gospel? You proclaim the Gospel by preaching it. Not this.

            You are a clueless

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            have you looked at the links of scripture and the Gospel and its power to the true God ….. FYI … the CIA created the “muslim brotherhood” …… so there is that ……..

          • Michael Anthony

            Have you looked scripture’s warning of being ignorant of satan’s devices?
            Oh, the muslim brotherhood was created by the ‘CIA’ were they? Now that is a miracle of note. The muslim brotherhood was created in Egypt 1928 and the CIA which is an offshoot of the OSS was only created in 1942. But I have gotten used to your leaps of logic.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            the CIA is the modern incarnation of a US intelligence network that goes back to the founding ….. and they do not just walk away from assests ………… and they continue to use it ….

            CIA Defends the Muslim Brotherhood as Western Intel … – PJ Media
            5 days ago … As the CIA continues to defend their investment in the Muslim Brotherhood to bring “moderate Islamist democracy” to the Middle East, much of …

            How the CIA Helped The Muslim Brotherhood Infiltrate the West …
            House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer met with the Muslim Brotherhood’s parliament leader, Mohammed Saad el-Katatni, twice on Thursday — once at the …

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You have a strange idea what preaching the Word of God is. You would probably attack Jonathan Edwards for his sermon, “Sinners in the hands of an angry God”.

          • Paula Coyle

            Well, glad that you were saved. Is that how it always has to happen then? Because others were saved by Christians addressing them knowledgeably. Are they false converts now?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            God’s work is to be done God’s way. What happened to Uzzah when he tried to do God’s work another way?

          • Paula Coyle

            what makes a building Christian? Are you trying to say that if they’d held it at a sports arena it would be ok?

          • Reason2012

            A place where you hold Christian worship services is a Christian building, commonly called a church. To pretend you were unaware of this makes it seem you’re being disingenuous.

            Holding it in a Christian church gives it an even greater impression of trying to compromise with them, of bringing them into the church to preach to Christians.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and a clip …. HAS NO CONTEXT for this discussion ….. sorry ………. go to youtube ….. put in James White Yasir Qhad and BOTH will come up …. the entire 3.5 hours parts 1 & 2 …… they do not like links here too much ……..

          • Paula Coyle

            well clearly since you didn’t provide links you don’t want to answer his objections. 😉 JK. I’m just guessing that will be his next complaint.

          • Paula Coyle

            Google is your friend.

          • Michael Anthony

            at least you have a friend then

          • Paula Coyle

            The video is out there. There were two nights, first night was in the church building, 2nd night in the mosque.

          • Michael Anthony

            Yeah, the video is in the article. I watched it before I read this article. This is not what I am referring to. White did not correct Qhadi’s denials and he did not ‘preach the Gospel’.

    • Paula Coyle

      It was done in front of an audience of Christians, Muslims, and anyone else from the area who wanted to be there. The next evening White preached the gospel in the Mosque.

  • Frank Leyland

    THE NEW TESTAMENT
    (John 19:18)
    “Here they crucified Him, and with Him two others – one on each side and Jesus in the middle.”

    THE KORAN
    (Surah 4:157)
    “….but they did not kill Jesus, nor crucified him, but it appeared so to them (the resemblance of ‘Isa [Jesus] was put over another man and they killed that man), and those who differ are full of doubts. They have no (certain) knowledge, they follow nothing but conjecture. For surely, they killed him not (i.e. Jesus, son of Mary.)”

    THE NEW TESTAMENT
    (Romans 10:9)
    “That if you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved.”

    THE KORAN
    (Surah 4:159)
    “….Jews and Christians must believe in Jesus as only a messenger of Allah and a human being (having no share in Divinity)….”

    THE NEW TESTAMENT
    (Matthew 28:9)
    “Suddenly Jesus met them. ‘Greetings,’ He said. They came to Him, clasped His feet and worshipped Him.”

    THE KORAN
    (Surah 43:57-59)
    “And when (Jesus is worshipped like their idols), behold, your people cry aloud (laugh out at the example)….Jesus was no more than a slave….”

    THE NEW TESTAMENT
    (John 3:16)
    “For God so loved the world that He gave His one and only Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish but have eternal life.”

    THE KORAN
    (Surah 4:171)
    “….far be it from Allah’s glory that he should have a son….”

    • FoJC

      It doesn’t really matter if you show people that the Muslim’s book is not from God, the Creator, the One who spoke His Word and a Son was created in the womb of a virgin, the Almighty, the Eternal One who sent His Spirit to all those who believe His Word, Jesus Christ.

      Like they do with actual Scripture, so they will do with false scripture – they will forget it and keep arguing from a different angle.

      Jesus said that those who didn’t believe Him are the same ones who did not believe the Law and Prophets. They claimed to believe the Law and the Prophets, but they were lying to themselves and to others. It is no different now (at the core). Those who know Jesus, know Jesus. Those who make up their own version of God, make up their own version of God.

      Follow Jesus, find Wisdom.

      • Frank Leyland

        My article shows that the two beliefs are diametrically opposed. One can read and choose, if any, which to follow. The same God could NOT have written both books.

        • wagfelt .

          God didn’t write any books

          • Frank Leyland

            He inspired the right people to write them. (Same difference). Anyway, if you are not a Christian, how do have any idea about what God did or did not do?

            If your mind is ‘carnal’ then you will NEVER understand these things.

    • Numa Newbern

      10-4, we who ARE Children Of God by a spiritual NEW BIRTH, don’t need to buy or read this satanically designed OPTION to Gods book, ONLY a few of it’s “verses” are needed to prove it’s ORIGIN.

    • Trilemma

      There are many Christians who don’t believe Jesus is God and don’t believe God is triune.

      • Bob Schoenle

        Those people are ‘professing’ Christians and thus not saved. They are described as ‘foolish’ in the Parable of the Ten Virgins and will be left behind when the Rapture takes place (Mt. 25:1-13).

        • Trilemma

          Where in the Bible does it say believing Jesus is God and that God is triune is necessary for salvation? I know it says that believing Jesus is the Messiah is necessary which Muslims believe but Jews don’t.

          • Bob Schoenle

            I am so very glad you asked, Trilemma. Please read John 5:17-24.

            I would especially like for you to focus on: “For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son; That all men should honor the Son, even as they honor the Father. He that honoreth NOT the Son honoreth NOT the Father, who hath sent him” (Jn. 5:22-23). [Caps for emphasis.]

            This is why those in cults like the Jehovah Witnesses remain in their sins and are not saved. They do not honor the Lord Jesus because they believe He was a created being prior to His incarnation. Namely Michael the archangel. Thus, by not believing that the Lord Jesus was God (Jn. 1:1, 10, 14) they do not honor God, the Father, who sent Him.

            By the way, the Lord Jesus being the second Person of the triune Godhead is the only way that explains how Jehovah could send Jehovah (Isa. 48:12,16; Zech. 2:8-11). There are many other biblical references to prove this point but I think these should prove sufficient. Maranatha!

          • Trilemma

            Nothing in your reply shows that believing Jesus is God and that God is triune are necessary for salvation. In fact, you don’t mention anything about what is necessary to do or to believe to be saved.

            Jehovah’s Witnesses honor Jesus as their savior and as the Son of God. Believing Jesus is God is not necessary to honor Him.

          • Bob Schoenle

            You really show a serious lack of understanding regarding salvation. ‘Upon what is your salvation based?’ is the most important question you can be asked. There is only one correct answer which is referred to 60 times in the gospel of John. The answer to that question is to simply BELIEVE. There are 40 times more where variations of the word BELIEVE is also used in John’s gospel. The word repent is not recorded in John’s gospel. I have no idea what you are basing your salvation upon, Trilemma, but if it is more than solely believing in the finished work of the Lord Jesus you are not a true born-from-above Christian. Maranatha!

          • Trilemma

            You say that all that is necessary to be saved is to believe. Believe what?

            If you declare with your mouth, “Jesus is Lord,” and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. – Romans 10:9 NASB

            According to this verse, all you have to believe is that God raised Jesus from the dead. It doesn’t say you have to believe Jesus is God or have to believe God is triune.

          • Bob Schoenle

            Evidently you are also unaware that Christians are referred to and call themselves BELIEVERS for a reason. They simply believe!

            “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt BELIEVE in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved” (Romans 10:9) KJV. The NASB is a poor translation of that particular verse!

            I have already addressed the necessity of believing the Lord Jesus is God and in the triune Godhead. Only a sinless and holy Godman could pay the penalty required for my sins.

            As I have often said, if what the Lord Jesus did is not sufficient to save me then I am lost because there is nothing more I can do including water baptism. Believing is the CAUSE of salvation. Baptism, repentance, joining a church, making Jesus Lord of your life, etc. are all EFFECTS of the cause [believing]. Maranatha!

          • michael louwe

            In Hebrew and Greek, after translation to English, Lord = God.

            1JOHN.4: = 2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, 3 and every spirit that does not confess that[a] Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.

            JOHN.1: = The Word Becomes Flesh

            14 And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.

            1TIMOTHY.3: = 16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:

            God[c] was manifested in the flesh,
            Justified in the Spirit,
            Seen by angels,
            Preached among the Gentiles,
            Believed on in the world,
            Received up in glory.

          • Trilemma

            Yes, 1John says a Christian must believe that Jesus is the Christ and that He came in the flesh. It doesn’t say a Christian must believe Jesus is God or that God is triune.

            If Jesus was begotten of the Father then Jesus can’t be God. It means there had to be a time that the Father was and Jesus wasn’t in order for the Father to beget Jesus at some point in time.

            1Timothy 3:16 says godliness was revealed in the flesh. It does not say God was manifested in the flesh. You’re using a bad translation.

          • michael louwe

            ISAIAH.9:6 = For unto us a Child is born,
            Unto us a Son is given;
            And the government will be upon His shoulder.
            And His name will be called
            Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
            Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

          • Trilemma

            For a child has been born to us, a son has been given to us. He shoulders responsibility and is called: Extraordinary Strategist, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace. – Isaiah 9:6 NET

            For a Child hath been born to us, A Son hath been given to us, And the princely power is on his shoulder, And He doth call his name Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Father of Eternity, Prince of Peace. – Isaiah 9:6 YLT

            Isaiah wrote in the past tense concerning the birth of this child. That means the child was already alive when Isaiah wrote this verse. Therefore, this verse is not a prophecy about the Messiah.

            Let’s assume the Bible actually says Jesus is God and that God is triune. Where does the Bible say a Christian must believe Jesus is God or believe that God is triune in order to be a Christian?

          • Frank Leyland

            You recently quoted this yourself; Isaiah 9v6: “…Mighty God, Everlasting Father..” (some of the titles of Y’shua).

          • Trilemma

            Those may be some titles of Y’shua but Isaiah wasn’t writing about Y’shua. Ishaiah was writing about a child that had already been born when he wrote this verse.

          • Frank Leyland

            Rubbish!

          • drodr05

            If you go back and look at the verses that you have posted, you will see that Isaiah uses the term ‘will be’ which is future tense.

            In the NASB, the verse is translated from the Septuagint as:

            For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us;
            And the government will [a]rest on His shoulders;
            And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
            Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.

            Now, here is an interesting point; one of the names listed, is, “Mighty God”.

            But, the Jehovah’s Witnesses believe that Jehovah is the Mighty God, But in this verse it says that ‘a son will be given to us’ and one of the names given to this son is ‘Mighty God’.

            Question: How many ‘Mighty Gods’ are there?

          • Trilemma

            Some Bible use future tense. Some use present tense. Some use past tense. Trinitarians obviously like future tense because they really want this verse to be about Jesus. However, past tense is the correct tense.

            In Isaiah 9:6, the Hebrew words translated, “mighty God” are “El gibor.”

            “The strong among the mighty ones shall speak of him and his helpers from the midst of Sheol, ‘They have gone down, they lie still, the uncircumcised, slain by the sword.’ – Ezekiel 32:21 NASB

            In this verse, “El gibor” in the plural are translated, “mighty ones.” That means a better translation of Isaiah 9:6 would have been, “mighty one” and not “Mighty God” since Isaiah was writing about someone living at the time he wrote Isaiah 9:6.

          • Frank Leyland

            You’ve NO chance! Jesus was there before this earth existed.

          • michael louwe

            JOHN.20: = 28 And Thomas answered and said to Him, “My Lord and my God!”

            MATTHEW.28: = 9 And as they went to tell His disciples,[b] behold, Jesus met them, saying, “Rejoice!” So they came and held Him by the feet and worshiped Him.

            ACTS.9: = 5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?”
            Then the Lord said, “I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting.[a] It is hard for you to kick against the goads.”
            6 So he, trembling and astonished, said, “Lord, what do You want me to do?”

            JOHN.1:1 & 14, 1TIMOTHY.3:16, etc.
            1JOHN.5:6-8.

          • Trilemma

            None of the verses you mentioned say believing Jesus is God and that God is triune are necessary for salvation. In fact, they don’t mention anything about what is necessary to do or to believe to be saved.

          • michael louwe

            [JOHN.3: = 16 For
            God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever
            believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life. 17 For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.]
            .
            The Lord/God Jesus the Christ/Messiah spoke these Word to the Jews who already believed in God and the Old Testament. Abraham, Moses, Elijah, etc are already saved from hell, eg LUKE.16:19-31, MATTHEW.17:3. These post-Christ Jews only had to take an extra step in faith/belief to get saved and inherit the kingdom of heaven, as per JOHN.14:1-6.
            ……. Unfortunately, most of these Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah/Christ because they desired for a christ who would defeat the Roman occupiers/colonizers and return Judah/Israel, their kingdom of earth, to them(JOHN.6:15) = they were led by their flesh.

      • Frank Leyland

        Then they are NOT Christians! Are YOU a Christian?

        • Trilemma

          Why are they not Christians simply because they believe something about God that you don’t? There is no verse in the Bible that indicates that God is a three in one being. That notion is derived by flawed apologetics. Jesus never claimed to be God. Every time He referred to Himself as a son of man, He showed that He was not God because God is not a son of man.

          • Frank Leyland

            Jesus said: “I and The Father are One.” For me the main issue is that Y’shua (Jesus) is The Messiah and one cannot be a Christian without believing that. And He accepted worship for Himself as does The Father.
            And what are YOU trying to do? If you don’t believe in Jesus, then you are an anti-Christ and it seems that your mission is to try and undermine The Faith – yes?

          • Trilemma

            Jesus prayed that the apostles would be one as He and the Father are one. If He and the Father are one God then Jesus was praying that the apostles would be one human. So, Jesus was not saying that He and the Father are one God.

            I agree that the Bible says a Christian must believe that Jesus is the Messiah. But where does it say that a Christian must believe that God is triune?

          • Frank Leyland

            I am ending this now. You are just talking rubbish! Go and waste someone else’s time. And stop hiding behind a pseudynom.

          • Trilemma

            You claimed that a Christian who doesn’t believe God is triune is not a Christian. Is there a Bible verse that says this is so?

          • Frank Leyland

            I didn’t bring up the word “Triune” – YOU did!
            You’ve read what Jesus said about Himself and His Father – now look in the book of Acts: Paul, The Apostle to The Gentiles, was directed by Jesus in the way to go on the boat. Soon after, he is directed again by The Spirit – all three descriptions are inter-changeable and in THAT context – The Three are One.

          • Trilemma

            You’re using apologetics to reconcile a number of verses to conclude that God is three persons in one God. Other people using apologetics reach a different conclusion.

            But I’m not asking you to prove God is three in one. I’m asking where in the Bible it says a person has to believe God is three in one in order to be a saved Christian. The Bible says a person must believe God raised Jesus from the dead. The Bible says a person must believe Jesus is the Christ. But where does it say a person must believe God is three in one?

          • Frank Leyland

            It did not say that it does. I have no problem with that. I have explained the context that I believe points to that conclusion.

            Now, you answer MY question – are you an anti-Christ or not?

          • Trilemma

            I currently consider myself a Christian deist or theistic rationalist. In either case, I suppose that would make me an anti-Christ in your eyes.

          • Frank Leyland

            In my opinion, you cannot be a Christian with add-ons. Either you are with or against Him – your choice.

          • Trilemma

            So, we are either brethren or enemies. This extreme binary thinking is a serious problem religion creates. Because of religion, you think of a Muslim as an enemy and the Muslim thinks of you as an enemy. Religion divides people and pits them against each other. This is the problem James White was trying to address with this dialogue. Jesus said, “Blessed are the peacemakers.” James White was trying to be a peacemaker.

          • Numa Newbern

            Jesus WAS NEVER as you say a “BINARY THINKER” HE said that he NEVER SAID ANYTHING that the Father didn’t say THROUGH Him, what GOT Jesus crucified for from a human point of view was He was a independent thinker relative to the religious sects, independent thinker relative to others BUT TOTALLY DEPENDENT upon the Father, Jesus NEVER refuted or denied the desires or direction of the father, He said I’ve DIDN’T come to bring peace but a sword, TRUTH, GODS WORD that is UN-COMPROMISED will ALWAYS bring division, thus the REASON WHY folks like Rick Warren are creating unity BY compromise, Jesus could of lived on this earth for eternity and NEVER of been crucified IF he had of kept his mouth shut or compromised.

          • Trilemma

            How has James White compromised? Hebrews 12:14 ESV says, “Strive for peace with everyone, and for the holiness without which no one will see the Lord.” James White is striving for peace with everyone.

          • Frank Leyland

            In my eyes, yes, you are an antichrist.

            And Jesus also said: “I have not come to bring peace to this world – I have come to bring a sword!”

          • Trilemma

            You took that verse out of context to make it look like Jesus advocates violence. Jesus was speaking figuratively. People who follow the teachings of Jesus will be pacifists.

          • Frank Leyland

            You are not a Christian – you know NOTHING about Jesus.

          • drodr05

            Oh, wrong Trilemma. Jesus did claim to be God.

            John 8:54-59
            54 Jesus answered, “If I glorify Myself, My glory is nothing; it is My Father who glorifies Me, of whom you say, ‘He is our God’; 55 and you have not come to know Him, but I know Him; and if I say that I do not know Him, I will be a liar like you, but I do know Him and keep His word. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced [p]to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.” 57 So the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?” 58 Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham [q]was born, I am.” 59 Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him, but Jesus [r]hid Himself and went out of the temple.

            Emphasis on verse 58 and 59.

            Now, go over to Exodus 3:13-14
            13 Then Moses said to God, “Behold, I am going to the sons of Israel, and I will say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you.’ Now they may say to me, ‘What is His name?’ What shall I say to them?” 14 God said to Moses, “[g]I AM WHO [h]I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘[i]I AM has sent me to you.’”

            And lastly, John 10:24-33
            24 The Jews then gathered around Him, and were saying to Him, “How long [b]will You keep us in suspense? If You are [c]the Christ, tell us plainly.” 25 Jesus answered them, “I told you, and you do not believe; the works that I do in My Father’s name, these testify of Me. 26 But you do not believe because you are not of My sheep. 27 My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me; 28 and I give eternal life to them, and they will never perish; and no one will snatch them out of My hand. 29 [d]My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all; and no one is able to snatch them out of the Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are [e]one.”

            31 The Jews picked up stones again to stone Him. 32 Jesus answered them, “I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?” 33 The Jews answered Him, “For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God.”

            So, Jesus did claim to be God. Or, else, why did the Jews pickup stones to stone him? Verse 33 gives you the answer. They understood what Jesus said.

          • Trilemma

            In John 8:58, Jesus did not say, “I am God,” nor did he say, “I am I AM.” Jesus said that Abraham had seen the Messiah and Jesus was saying “I am” the Messiah. The Jews picked up stones because he claimed to be the Messiah.

            In John 10:33, the Greek term for God is not used but rather the term for god. So, instead of saying, “You being a man, make yourself out to be God,” it should say, “You being a man, make yourself out to be a god.” The next verse says, “Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I said, you are gods’?” This makes it clear Jesus was being accused of being a god and not The God.

          • Numa Newbern

            SEE KEY words within >> <> in Christ,<>> in <<>>> Christ in you <<<< , the hope of glory:

      • Karen Williams Walters

        A true born again believer will believe Jesus is God and believe in the Trinity. Those that profess to be Christian and do not believe this are not true christians but tares.

        • Trilemma

          Why do you believe God is triune when there is no verse in the Bible that indicates that God is a three in one being? If Jesus is God then who is the God of Jesus?

    • Paula Coyle

      Yes, all that is accurate, but doesn’t address the point of the article.

      • Frank Leyland

        What point are YOU making, Paula?

  • Numa Newbern

    DECEPTION 101, Serpent style… The serpent lured Eve BY dialog, dialog IS the transitioning factor, HOW could Adam Son Of God and his PURE bride remain PURE? By ONLY listening to and conversing with God’s VOICE ONLY. ANY option other than that leads AWAY from God’s word.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      that does not sound biblical …… sorry ………..

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        “Hath God said?” That’s how Satan lured Eve away from God.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          Christ will not lose even ONE that belongs to the Father …… are you a monergist or a synergist …………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I’m a Christian who believes the Word of God.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and i know that ….. but are you a monergist or a synergist ….. is God in control and sovereign or is our “free will” and we are sovereign over salvation ……….. that is the question ….. what does scripture tell you …………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I am a Christian and Bible college terminology is meaningless at this point. I don’t respect the nonsense some Bible colleges put out, and don’t get me started on the sub-standard Hebrew lessons they give. Dr. White is an example of that.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again …. who is in control of salvation as far as your reading of the scriptures …………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I’m not going to go off into a red herring tangent with you. Would you attend an event like this if Satanists were present in place of the imam? How about Mormons? J-Witnesses?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i have no fear of the information they would bring forward ….. and why should i …. i am in Christ ….. why are you afraid of it ….. i deal with satanists all day long ….. do you really think i have not made every argument they have to bring up ….. i do not know very argument muslims have to bring up ….. why should i fear their ideas when Christ is a much bigger idea …… a REAL God …. not their pretend one ……….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Amos, do you really think that Jesus Christ told us to be separate from the unclean because we had to fear them? He told us to be separate because we are to be a holy people.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            we are to CLEAN UP those who are sick and in need of a savior … we are to remain unspotted …. but we are also supposed to carry out the Great Commission ….. we are to be IN the world …. as we are part of the world ….. but we are not to be of the world ….. we are not to be hermits in secluded conclaves buffered from the reality that this world is ….. we are the hospital workers ….. and they are the wounded …. and we need to understand their wounds so that they can begin to be healed by Christ ….. WHAT IS THERE TO FEAR …. why are you afraid ….. WHO IS IN CONTROL of YOUR SALVATION …… can you lose your salvation …..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Only Jesus Christ can save someone. You can’t “clean up” anyone. All you’re doing is making another fourfold child of hell when you try to do that. Jesus Christ is clear.

            Preach to Muslims. Reach out to them. Love them. But don’t pretend they are on equal footing in the church and invite them to address an assembly, particularly when the imam in question has said virulent, hateful things to his congregation, in Arabic, in the past.

            James White is making the work I and other Christians who evangelize Muslims, much harder with this stunt of his.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            do you think Christ did not mix with sinners …. eat with sinners ….. pray with sinners …… listen to sinners … ask them questions …… answer theirs ….. cleanse the lepers ….. who is this fasle christ YOU serve ………….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Did he invited them into the synagogue to lecture his congregants on paganism?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            first ….. synagogues were not the churches of today …. not even close to the same purpose as a modern church …… so a false comparison ………… it was not a place for sermons and a gathering of the congregation ………. there were no seats …. although there were discussions there …….. so not really sure what that “comparison” means ….. but pretty much nothing ……..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Yep, more replacement theology from Amos, all in the name of justifying Islam. Who’d have thought you’d fall for it?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            there is no “replacement theology” ….. that is the history of scripture ….. the temple was a place of sacrifice and was designed for that purpose …… Islam is not justified ….. false accusations are not christian …………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Then why don’t you stop making false accusations? You don’t even know what you’re espousing, and you are doing more harm than good.
            worldviewweekendDOTcom/tv/video/evangelical-minister-calls-jihadi-imam-mentor-says-he-senses-kindred-spirit-him-during

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again …….. just more false accusations ………….. i am very well aware of Brannons website …. i am a subscriber …. i have listened to numerous shows on his network and have for YEARS …… not a johnny come lately like most of the people here … i have been to his WVW conference in Branson … and it was actually pretty good …… but without CONTEXT ….. the clip means nothing ………….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You do not know what you are talking about. You contradict yourself on your ramblings about Islam. This clip is an hour long program with a former Muslim pastor addressing White and this incident.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again … as has been pointed out by numerous persons here ……. HOW do you know he is not participating in Taqiya …….. as a “former” muslim ………… and why should i give this man ……… and where was he “accredited” ……… over Dr White ………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            First of all, “Dr” White isn’t a doctor. How’s that for taqiyya? Second of all, the pastor has walked the walk for years. He is a good brother in the Lord. The pseudo doctor is afraid to debate him on the topic because he (White) knows he is very ignorant of the topic on hand, just like he’s ignorant about most topics he tries to tackle. Watch the tape.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you are the one linking to a “former muslim” …… HOW DO YOU know it is not “taqiya” ……… where was he accredited ……. why should we believe him ……..who is in control of salvation …………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You didn’t view the link so you have no clue what it says. Why is the pseudo doctor afraid to debate this man?

            Jesus Christ alone saves. Do you think repeating that statement does anything but shows you have no sound argument to stand upon?

            And why are you upset that the Word of God says, “All of Israel shall be saved”, or that “Salvation is of the Jews”? Why do you defend a man who misrepresents himself as a “doctor” and who says he is kindred spirits with a man who has the spirit of antichrist?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            watched it before … yesterday ……… DOES NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION ………… HOW DO YOU know it is not “taqiya” …….. what is the topic of debate …. what is the thesis ….. what are the rules and time limits ….. BTW …. BH has been given numerous opportunities to call Dr. Whites show and has not done so …. what is he “afraid” of …… Dr White is scheduled through the early part of next year for debates ….. it is not an impromptu affair ….. so you really do not have a clue about what is involved …………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You did not watch it. You did not even know who was in it or what was said. You commented on a previous article about Shahram Hadlan and praised him. Did you forget? He’s the brother who was targeted by an armed Muslim terrorist outside a conference for preaching the Word.

            mailchiDOTmp/tilproject/i64ed40yv4

            Why is White so afraid to debate him?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i did not praise Sharam Hadian ……… if so where …….. i mentioned his name ….. i have not heard very much of SH other than when he was on BH program so i have nothing to say ………. my comments are wide open and not locked like yours are ……… so quote mine away ….. but that is another falsehood ……….. White has contacted all three, BH, Usama Dakdok and Sharam ….. to set the parameters for a debate ….. NO RESPONSE ……

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That is a completely false claim. White has not been willing to debate Shahram. You can’t even spell his name right, yet you commented on the story about a Muslim terrorist having guns outside Shahram’s conference. You slander a good brother in the Lord to defend someone who says he is kindred spirits with someone who has the spirit of antichrist.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so i misspelt his name ….. is that all you have ……. BTW, you just said i “praised” him but now you accuse me of the “sin” of misspelling his name ….. oh the shame ………. Dr White has been in contact with all three ….. none of them will respond to set the parameters of a debate ……… a debate is not calling in to their show to be yelled at … it is an organized event …. they do not want it organized or it would be happening ……….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            White (no doctor there) has refused to debate all three men. He is afraid of honest and open discussion. He is embarrassed by how his appearance on Janet Mefferd’s show went.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            lie ………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I already gave you a link that proved that to be true. He is afraid to appear on their radio program. He is hysterically blocking people and comments on Facebook because he can’t handle being called out on his transgression, nor can he defend his stance.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            repeating your lie does not make it true ………….. he blocks people on FB for numerous reasons ….. many of them are trolls ………. and he has better things to do than answer every troll ………. which would take every hour of every day ………. personally ….. i think he should get off FB ….. it is a waste of time …………. but that is just my opinion …….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            He’s blocked good Christian ministers in the Lord because he cannot refute their rebukes.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            he has blocked a lot of people ….. SO WHAT …………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            He blocked godly men. So much for his wish to “dialogue” with those of differing opinions. Guess that only works with jihadists.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            he blocks people who are not there for GODLY purposes …………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Please. Rebuking him for being kindred spirits with a jihadist in the name of Christ is a godly purpose. White is a coward who is hiding because he is finally getting called out on his unsoundness. This is just the start.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again … the same old out of context response …… build a bridge ….. and get over it ………..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so you do not know who is in control of salvation ….. you cannot tell me from the scriptures …. it says VERY PLAINLY …… what is the problem …………. why are you afraid to say it ……. why would you not proclaim it ….. declare it …….. are you ashamed ………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Stop with your false accusations. You can’t discuss the article because you’ve been proven wrong, so you attempt to go on a long-winded tangent that’s clearly off topic.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            what accusations … i have ASKED SOME QUESTIONS …. what the article has to do with IS SALVATION ….. of MUSLIMS …………….. why are you afraid of that ………….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I’m the only one actually discussing the topic at hand. I evangelize Muslims all the time. What James White is doing is merely muddying the water and making it harder for ex-Muslims who have converted to Christ, to reach out to Muslims with the Gospel.

    • Jim Blainey

      “For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.”

      Muslims are not the Serpent leading people astray. They are Eve, sinners made in the image of God who have been deceived by Satan and led astray to follow a false idol.

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Then why is James White bringing them into the church to preach to Christians about their false idol?

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          he is not ………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            More will come out on James White as time goes on.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure ……… whatever ………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            It’s already coming out.

  • Numa Newbern

    UNFORTUNATELY Brannon House PROMOTES and sells @ his events one of HIS approved BETTER translated Korans, talking about hypocrisy, The Koran, Mormon, JW resources etc. are SPIRITUAL PORNOGRAPHY, just like your typical so called “Christian” best sellers.

  • Numa Newbern

    MY OPINION is that we have Professional subversive teams that have infiltrated what has typically been known as the “Christian” church here in the U.S., their mission is to SYNTHESIZE opposite beliefs INTO our houses of faith, then in the process lead away followers thus removing the “Christian” leadership. As most know the typical person who PROFESSES they are a “Christian” NEVER reads THEIR bible, and can’t distinguish the biblical Jesus from their New Age modern Jesus.

  • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    James White’s doctrine has been questionable for some time now. Listen to his talks about the KJV Bible. I’m not talking about KJV-onlyism. I’m talking about how he bashes the KJV Bible as a valid translation. The man is no etymologist and much of what he says is simply not true.

    • Numa Newbern

      Scripture is CLEAR about who IS a Anti-Christ and our actions towards them, Share the UN-compromised Gospel that they HAVE to Repent as God grants that, and submit in faith to the Risen King. Honestly I listened to one of Mr. Whites anti TR clips, wasn’t impressed, BUT I do like one thing about White, Love those bow ties : )

    • Michael Anthony

      I agree with you guest. I have heard James white debate on the Textus Receptus/KJV versus Codex Sinaitcius/Vaticanus/Alexandrian texts and put your helmet on…when he gets into a corner is style is to throw scorn the opponent and make a total mockery of their beliefs.

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        His mispronunciations are particularly embarrassing for someone who claims to be a scholar.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      again … out of context … half truth … and what you are saying is a lie ……… as half the truth is not the truth …………

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    seems to me that this event has drawn a line between synergism and monergism …… and it is quite striking …………..

    • Jim Blainey

      You might say I’m being redundant, but I would say it’s a line between those looking at the world through the lens of the gospel vs. the lens of politics.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        i would agree with that also ………….

        • Jim Blainey

          I can also see the monergism vs. synergism. Though the synergists are being awfully hypocritical given the extra layers of offense they are adding between the Gospel and the Muslim community.

    • Reason2012

      Jesus warned even His very apostles about false doctrines. If there’s anyone that has no chance of not being saved, it’s His Apostles, yet He warned even THEM about the doctrines of the Pharisees.

      “How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.”
      Matthew 16:11-12

  • Darin Day

    Thank you for researching the matter fully.

  • Equalscale

    Islam is so convincing that we must – at all costs – shield Christians from hearing about it. The Gospel is so unconvincing that we must ban all Christians from dialogue with Muslims or else they will convert to Islam. I’m scared that if you hear about Islam, you will abandon Christianity. James White is a weirdo who thinks the gospel is powerful and that Islam is unconvincing and weak.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      /SARC ? …………….

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Too bad James White didn’t present the gospel instead of presenting a watered down view of Christianity and a deceptive view of Islam.

    • MCrow

      You pretty much have encapsulated my amusement at the comments here

  • FoJC

    Seeing the utter fiasco created by many in this thread is only confirmation of how easily more and more false religion will infiltrate societies. The Darkness is growing. The False Light is shining brighter. The world is being prepared for the Antichrist.

    Follow Jesus, find Truth.

    • Jim Blainey

      Why all the fear-mongering?

      There is no such thing as “False Light.” There is only light and darkness. God is light, and in him is no darkness at all. The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.

  • james blue

    “We would never bring in a Mormon or a Jehovah’s Witness to teach
    Christians about Mormonism and Jehovah’s Witnesses; you bring in an
    ex-Mormon and an ex-Jehovah’s Witness who can analyze the system through
    the lens of truth.”

    So would you bring an “ex” Christian in to teach Christianity through “the lens of truth “?

  • vicnicholls

    Secret Church also did this – tell us what others believed, so we could be prepared for questions, common refutations, etc. I don’t see this as being much different. If you are a true Christian, then someone talking about their false doctrine shouldn’t sway you in any way, any more than Mormonism would. How else did Paul reason with people, except if you have a common way to do that? If people weren’t Jews but all sorts of religions, Paul would have had to ask questions, talk with them and not at them, to get a dialogue going.

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      When did Paul give pagans a platform to address the church?

    • michael louwe

      Knowing about the devil and sleeping with the devil are two different things.

      At REVELATION.17, God condemned the Roman Catholic Church/RCC as “BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND OF THE ABOMINATIONS
      OF THE EARTH” because the RCC “slept and fornicated” with the Holy Roman Empire/HRE, eg the RCC approved the mass colonization of weaker nations by the Western kingdoms of the HRE. Eg Spanish colonization/conquest of South America in the 1500s.

      Hence, USA, a former colony of the British Empire, has separation of Church and State(= government or politics) in her 1776 US Constitution.

    • Reason2012

      You don’t need to let ant-Christ teachers witness to Christians, let alone even in your Christian church building, teaching their anti-Christ lies, in order to witness to that person. The Bible speaks of such things quite plainly.

      “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
      2 John 1:9-11

      Jesus warned even the Apostles to beware their false doctrines.

      “How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.”
      Matthew 16:11-12

      And this “Christian” man intentionally invited a false teacher who denies Christ to witness to Christians.

      “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.”
      2 Peter 2:1-3

      God tells us what to do with those who cause division and offenses contrary to the doctrines of God/Christ.

      “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.”
      Romans 16:17-18

      “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
      Galatians 1:6-9

      And this “Christian” man invites an anti-Christ teacher to witness to Christians, to preach his own anti-Christ doctrines.

      This wasn’t called “Let’s save muslims” gathering – it was called “inter-faith” gathering, which is more deception, pretending we will be getting along with them, make friends with them, find common ground and so on.

  • Oscar Francisco

    Muslim in extreme forms believed that Christianity is the source of evilness in this world… and must be brought down and its members converted or eliminated?

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      It’s not only extreme Muslims who think that way. Many so-called moderates do as well.

  • Reason2012

    If you want to bring in an ex-muslim who is now a Christian to talk about how to witness to muslims, that’s far different than bringing in a muslim teacher into a Christian church building who holds to islam, rejects Christ and he instead witnesses to all the Christians his anti-Christ doctrines.

    Not to mention it is not under the title of “how to save muslims” or “how to preach the gospel to muslims” but instead “interfaith dialogue”.

    This was a very deceptive event that violates what God commands us not to do.

    “Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.”
    2 John 1:9-11

    Jesus warned even the Apostles to beware their false doctrines.

    “How is it that ye do not understand that I spake it not to you concerning bread, that ye should beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees? Then understood they how that he bade them not beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and of the Sadducees.”
    Matthew 16:11-12

    And this “Christian” man intentionally invited a false teacher who denies Christ to witness to Christians in a Christian church building.

    “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.”
    2 Peter 2:1-3

    God tells us what to do with those who cause division and offenses contrary to the doctrines of God/Christ.

    “Now I beseech you, brethren, mark them which cause divisions and offences contrary to the doctrine which ye have learned; and avoid them. For they that are such serve not our Lord Jesus Christ, but their own belly; and by good words and fair speeches deceive the hearts of the simple.”
    Romans 16:17-18

    “I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.”
    Galatians 1:6-9

    And this “Christian” man invites an anti-Christ teacher to witness to Christians, to preach his own anti-Christ doctrines.

    This wasn’t called “Let’s save muslims” gathering – it was called “inter-faith” gathering, which is more deception, pretending we will be getting along with them, make friends with them, find common ground and so on.

  • Landon

    Wow, this author did some good research. A very balanced analysis of the issues.

    One thing that I do not understand is why Dr. White’s critics keep complaining that this dialogue was done “in a church.” A basic understanding of the NT and the early church is all that is needed to understand that a “church” is a community of Christians who encourage and support each other, and worship together. Church has absolutely nothing to do with a building.

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      That’s a very legalistic viewpoint on your part. It’s not the building that’s in question. It’s the fact that an assembly was present.

      • Jim Blainey

        An assembly of Christians wasn’t present. That’s the point. Per the pastor of the church, 30-40% were Muslims, and only a handful of church members, so the majority were non-church members from the community. This was a public event.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          When are the Satanists going to be invited to “dialogue”?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Christ in dialog with Satan ………. you might read JOB also ………..

            Matthew
            4:1 Then was Jesus led up of the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil.
            4:2 And when he had fasted forty days and forty nights, he was afterward an hungred.
            4:3 And when the tempter came to him, he said, If thou be the Son of God, command that these stones be made bread.
            4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
            4:5 Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a pinnacle of the temple,
            4:6 And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
            4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
            4:8 Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
            4:9 And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
            4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
            4:11 Then the devil leaveth him, and, behold, angels came and ministered unto him.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Yes, and not that Jesus Christ didn’t invite Satan into the synagogue to lecture the congregation on Satanism.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again ….. false comparison ………….. and the Jews in the temple were not there to proselytize …….. you might want to look at the furniture that was there and its purposes before you start with any false comparisons ……..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You don’t even know what you’re talking about. The Muslim imam who is known for his extremism (the same one James White says is his kindred spirit) was there to proselytize and deceive. No wonder James White has been labeled Islam’s useful idiot.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again … out of context … half truth … and what you are saying is a lie ……… as half the truth is not the truth ………

          • michael louwe

            At MATTHEW.4, Satan was tempting or testing the Lord/God Jesus Christ to get Him to break the Law/Word of God.
            At JOB, Satan was making false accusation against Job in front of God, similar to how you had made false accusations against me, eg that I had added to Scriptures and intentionally made outright lies.
            ……. Those verses were not dialogs between God/Jesus and Satan.

            1THESS.3: = 5 For
            this reason, when I could no longer endure it, I sent to know your
            faith, lest by some means the tempter had tempted you, and our labor
            might be in vain.

            REV.12: = 10 Then
            I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, “Now salvation, and strength,
            and the kingdom of our God, and the power of His Christ have come, for
            the accuser of our brethren, who accused them before our God day and
            night, has been cast down.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Job ..
            1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
            1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
            1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
            1:9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought?

            sounds like a dialogue to me …………….

          • michael louwe

            No, that’s more like a court proceeding or royal audience because God/Jesus is the Judge-of-all and the King of Kings and Lord of Lords.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope … it was a dialogue …. they talked back and forth …. not just that passage … there is more …………..

          • michael louwe

            When a judge talks to the accusing lawyer/prosecutor or a king talks to his subjects/servants, or vice versa, it is not a dialogue or conversation. There are court procedures set by the government or royal protocols set by the king to be followed.
            ……. Dialogues or conversations do not happen in a judge’s court or a king’s throne. Those present in court or throne cannot just speak out at any time they wish or have a normal back and forth dialogue/conversation with the judge or king.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            yes they do …… wrong ……….. and Job was not a court …. scripture in Job says nothing of the kind …. you are adding to scripture …..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You don’t even know what you’re saying at this point. You’re just trying to argue with everyone over a man who is “kindred spirits” with someone who has the spirit of antichrist.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            we are talking about Job at the moment …. and scripture ….. please read the comments ………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You are going off on a tangent and trying to throw every red hearing you can, including mischaracterizing Scripture, because you can’t answer why James White, the pseudo “doctor”, is kindred spirits with someone with the antichrist spirit.

          • michael louwe

            The book of JOB was like a royal audience during a royal visit, ie God-of-heaven visiting the earth/world and had a royal audience with the sons of God or His angels. Then the fallen-ex-archangel Satan, the ruler/king of the world and an enemy of God and humans, joined in to make false accusations against Job, as per REV.12:10.
            ……. This is like President Trump somehow visiting President Maduro of Venezuela or visiting PM Haniyeh of the Gaza Strip. Do you think they will have a dialogue or a confrontation/contention.?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “At MATTHEW.4, Satan was tempting or testing the Lord/God Jesus Christ to get Him to break the Law/Word of God. ”

            and they spoke to each other back and forth ….. ummmm …. THATS A DIALOGUE ………

          • michael louwe

            No, that’s like being trolled by the tempter. Actually, the Lord Jesus rebuffed Satan’s temptations by quoting the Word of God. He was not having a dialog with Satan. He drew His sword against Satan.
            .
            EPH.6: = 17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the Word of God.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            they were talking back and forth …. that is dialogue ….. there is nothing in the scriptures about “trolling” …. that is you adding to scripture …………. it was a back and forth dialogue …. and we should have no fear of it ……….. can you lose your salvation ……….

          • michael louwe

            In the Interfaith dialogue at the Church, Mr. White gave opportunity to Dr. Qadhi to try to convert his Christian flock and the next day, Dr. Qadhi gave opportunity to Mr. White to try to convert his Muslim flock at the Islamic Center. They are like in a conversion-contest to see who can win more converts.
            ……. We should have no fear of this.?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no … sorry …. wrong …. and wrong ….. and what you are saying is just a lie ………… the issue is not either of these men ….. the issue is salvation ….. and if any from the “church” …. and it was not church …. were “converted …. SO WHAT ….

            1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

            no net loss …. they were not supposed to be there to begin with and the reverse is true …….

          • michael louwe

            [“I cannot deny that one of the reasons any Muslim would talk aboutIslam in front of a non-Muslim audience is to demonstrate the beauty ofIslam, and hope that some amongst them find in it the true message thatJesus himself preached,” he wrote in part. “And I know full well thatMr. White’s intentions, which he has expressed explicitly, was to hopethat some Muslims convert as they listen to him explain Christianity.”

            “I would be happy if any Christian who listened to my lecture converted,” Qadhi also acknowledged.]

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again … if they go out from us … then were not of us ….. no net loss ………… so what ……….

          • michael louwe

            No, Muslims did not go out from the early Christians. Islam has never been a part of Christianity and Judaism even though it falsely claims to be in its Koran. In fact, Islam is an enemy of Christianity and Judaism, eg Islamic military expansion into formerly Christian Eastern Europe, Northern Africa and Spain during the Middle Ages.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            try to follow ….. if any heard what Qadhi said and “left” the church ….. then they never werea christian …. so no net loss ….. and if muslims hear the gospel and come to the church …. only a good thing ….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            pssst … satan was already in the temple …… just thought you should know ….
            8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. ……

            John
            8:43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.
            8:44 Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
            8:45 And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.
            8:46 Which of you convinceth me of sin? And if I say the truth, why do ye not believe me?
            8:47 He that is of God heareth God’s words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.
            8:48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
            8:49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.
            8:50 And I seek not mine own glory: there is one that seeketh and judgeth.
            8:51 Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
            8:52 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
            8:53 Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
            8:54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
            8:55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
            8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
            8:57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
            8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            And Christ cleansed the temple. He will cleanse the church, too, and false prophets will be removed.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            He cleansed it …. by destroying it ………… DUH ………. in 70 AD ……..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You have such animosity against God’s Jewish people while kissing up to Islam and its useless idiots.

            worldviewweekend.DOTcom/tv/video/evangelical-minister-calls-jihadi-imam-mentor-says-he-senses-kindred-spirit-him-during

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            see …. just more false accusations ………….. i am very well aware of Brannons website …. i am a subscriber …. i have listened to numerous shows on his network and have for YEARS …… not a johnny come lately like most of the people here … i have been to his WVW conference in Branson … and it was actually pretty good …… but without CONTEXT ….. the clip means nothing ………….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            who is in control of salvation ………….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why do you keep repeating yourself? Jesus Christ alone saves. Does it help you to have that repeated? Why don’t you ask the pseudo “Dr” White that since he seems to be confused on the issue?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            why cant you answer …………… good ….. so you know that God is sovereign and is in charge of salvation … right ….. but it is YOU who seems confused ……… can you LOSE your salvation ………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why are you so uncomfortable with the topic on hand that you’re trying to deflect? Are you asking me these questions because you want to know if the pseudo doctor has led you astray all these years?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            the topic is SALVATION … that was the purpose to witness to muslims ….. what deflection …… again …. do you believe you can you LOSE your salvation ………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The topic is White saying he is kindred spirits with a man who has the spirit of antichrist.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            out of context … and you seem unable to know what the context of the statement is ….. so worthless as to any probative value …………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            well all three of these people have been contacted ….. NO RESPONSE ………. they will not set the parameters for a debate ….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s not true. White does not want to debate them. Try to stay current.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sorry … you are wrong …. and now you are lying or just are uninformed ……….. do you want me to post the clip where they were contacted and will not respond ………… all they have to do is call his show …. NONE TO DATE ………. NOT ONE OF THEM …………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You are falsely accusing me and others. Again.

            Here you go:

            fr-frDOTfacebookDOTcom/SamShamoun/posts/1780656628617946

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Sam Shamoun is not credible in my eyes …………. i am well aware of him …. and i do not follow FB …..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Do you even know who he is? You were confused about who Shahram is, even though you previously praised him when he was threatened by a jihadist with an arsenal of weapons outside his conference.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i know of both men ….. what is it you think i do not know … and you just said i “praised” one of them you now say i do not know ….. make up your mind …

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You seem confused about who you did and didn’t praise. You said you didn’t know him, yet you did praise him. You must not put a lot of thought into your posts before you hit the “send” button.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i know what i said …. and i have said … my comments are WIDE OPEN …. and yours ARE NOT ….. you feel free to disprove it ……….. find it and show it ….. i have neither praised him nor rebuked him …. show it to be otherwise …………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I don’t have time to go through your gibberish but you may not even realize who the people are in the stories upon which you are commenting. He has been attacked for his faith and received death threats. I gave you the link to the story. Why didn’t you click on that? Because you know you are wrong.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so thats a NO …………. okay …. cant support your assertion …………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No, that’s I’m not going to answer you the same thing 10 x’s because you want to harass me for standing up for Christ.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so you are going to ACCUSE and then RUN AWAY because you cant back up your garbage ……….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I haven’t run away from anything.

            You are becoming more and more combative because you are angry that White has been exposed as being kindred spirits with someone with the antichrist spirit. How’s that sitting with you?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i am angry because you cannot answer even the simplest questions IN CONTEXT about what happened ….. and then you ACCUSE me of things …. and then CANNOT back up your GARBAGE …………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            part of an open letter from Dr. White to Sam the Sham …..

            Sometime over the past day or so you posted the following, and I quote:

            In case folks are wondering why I referred to White’s defense of Islam and Shariah loving Muslims like his mentor Qadhi a Jihad for Islam, it is because of his nasty shot at me, labeling what I did in calling him out for his nasty, unchristlike behavior towards fellow Christians and his compromise with Islam a crusade!

            Being a vile human being, White knows that the term crusade is a pejorative term among Muslims, since it evokes the memory of the Muslim wars with the Crusaders. White’s choice of words is deliberately calculated to get his Muslim fan base to run to his side seeing how he is supposedly adorning the gospel with grace and beauty for the purpose of reaching Muslims (which is a nice way of trying to justify his compromise with the truth of the Gospel and the example of the Lord Jesus and his blessed Apostles by his willingness to bend over backwards to appease his mentor and other Muslims), while vilifying me even further in the eyes of his Muslim mentor Qadhi and the others.

            Sam, did you have to work up the rage and anger that fills these words, or does it just come naturally now? I mean, I guess I could have used “jihad” instead of “crusade,” or maybe just “campaign,” but I doubt it would have made any difference, for you are intent upon reading every word in the worst possible way, attributing to me motivations that you are projecting upon me out of a blind anger that you cannot even seem to see (or, you can, and are working very hard at ignoring the conviction in your heart for the dishonesty it entails).

            First, I think it is time for you to drop the pretense that you have simply “called me out” for allegedly being “nasty” to fellow believers. It has become a joke given your behavior. Every rational person knows you have treated me a thousand times worse than anyone I have ever criticized, so it would be good for you to put that broken banjo aside and admit it was always a cover anyway.

            Second, if you wish to pretend a tweet to a non-muslim was somehow a coded insult because I used the term “crusade,” I can’t stop you, but it is silly out here in the world where the rest of us do not live our days in a wild-eyed fit of anger. All the ludicrous theories you have produced about my being an apologist for Islam, cravenly seeking Yasir Qadhi’s approval, etc., are only evidence of how far, and how fast, you have fallen into gross personal deception, nothing more.

            Third, you are quite correct, Sam. I am a vile human being. So are you. That’s one of the most basic tenets of the gospel. But I will go beyond that (knowing your intent was not theological, but again, the venting of an anger utterly inappropriate for any person involved in ministry): I need to apologize to you. I was a poor friend. I far too easily overlooked your “I’m such a stinker” comments when you had just engaged in some kind of dishonest behavior, chumming the waters, so to speak, or had indulged your regular penchant for insult and opprobrium in writing an article. I accepted, to some extent anyway, your “I’m an Assyrian, it is our way” excuse. That was wrong of me, and I apologize. I should have held you to a Christian standard of conduct, Assyrian or not, Sam or not, especially in the realm of ministry. I gave in to the “us vs. them” mentality far too easily, and I failed you in that way. I should have called you to repentance far more often than I did. I should have pressed you on church membership and having elders looking at what you were doing in ministry. The lack of that much needed control has been devastating to you. So, yes, I’m a vile human being, just not for the reasons you are now promoting in your attempt to destroy this ministry and my work.

            Finally, I wish to provide a contrast between the real world and the world you have created in your mind over the past few weeks. You accuse me of compromising the gospel. That’s a very serious charge. I wonder how you would defend this accusation? I think a very useful conclusion to this letter would be to compare your allegation, which was made without any citational evidence, with a portion of the dialogue in the mosque. Here I am asked a direct question and am given unfettered opportunity to explain the gospel to the Muslims. Compromise? Only in your mind these days, Sam, and given the clarity of this discussion, that says a lot to anyone considering our words.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re presenting propaganda by White. Why do you keep calling him doctor when he isn’t one?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope … a letter by Dr. White to Sam ….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            What does that have to do with James White declining to appear on another radio show after he was embarrassed badly on Janet Mefferd’s show? Do you even know which radio hosts we are talking about?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again …. listened to it … she was tough … thats good … James gave the appropriate answers …. that was good also ….. not embarrassing ….. but you are entitled to your opinion of it …..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            For anyone else ………..

            Islamophobe Janet Mefferd gets schooled by James White on her radio show

            on the utube machine …………….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Janet Mefferd reaches out to Muslims all the time. James White, meanwhile, is afraid to go to Muslim lands to preach. Who really got schooled?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            JM did …. and Dr. White never made any claim of being a missionary in any islamic country …. so what ………. to preach Christ anywhere is to preach Him everywhere ……… and Dr. White has been to many countries and debated muslims in many countries …..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            James White made the claim that he wanted to reach out to Muslims in any way he could. Why doesn’t that involve going to an actual Muslim country and preaching the gospel? What’s he scared of?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            not sure what that has to do with this ….. why dont you ….. what are you scared of ……….. and actually a number of missionaries have commended Dr. White for what he has done …….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I do. I have repeatedly stated what I do, which is why I choose to remain anonymous on the internet.

            The only person who commended White for what he did was one alleged missionary who may or may not be real. Those who came forward publicly (and there were many), have rebuked him, and rightfully so. If you’d watched the links I gave you, you would know that. Thanks for proving that you didn’t, even though you claimed you did.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            fine … i have never read that from you …. but fine … and i think what you are doing is a good work … a good thing …. and that is your calling ….

            what it does not explain however is what that has to do with Dr. Whites calling ….. and by what authority that you possess to call for or demand HIS calling change because you do not approve of what he said and what he did … you disagree with … NP …. but Dr. White has a calling from God and Christ just as you do …. and it is NOT his choice to do as God and Christ command …. nor is it your place to question God and Christ as to how They have handed out assignments ……….

            so until you can put that PRIDE away …. we both know you have no authority to question God and Christ about what they are doing with Dr. White …………….. and neither do i …….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            White (he is not a doctor) has done something that borders on heresy. He must, according to the Word, be called out on it. It’s no wonder that jihadists are fawning over him in recent days while slamming solid Christian brothers in the Lord. Shame on him.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Dr. White has accountability as an elder and as a church member …… and if what he did met with their disapproval ….. then i am certain he would be under church discipline … he is not ….. and what you wrote DOES NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION ….

            …. by what authority that you possess to call for or to demand HIS calling to change because you do not approve of what he said and what he did … you disagree with it … NP …. but Dr. White has a calling from God and Christ just as you do …. and it is NOT his choice to do as God and Christ command …. nor is it your place to question God and Christ as to how They have handed out assignments ……….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            a.) What one particular fellowship does, doesn’t speak for the entire church, nor does it speak for Jesus Christ, the Head of the Church.

            b.) Your question is fallacious. You are assuming that White has a calling in the first place, and you are assuming I called for a change.

            c.) We are called to discern. The apostle Paul said “But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.” (Galatians 1:8)

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            He is under authority …. he is not under our authority ….. we do not know him as well as his own church that he is a member and elder of know him …..

            you do not like that and you do not like him … i got it … but that does not give YOU OR ME ANY authority over him ………. and it is NOT an assumption …. we ALL have a calling …. as we are all CALLED by the Father to Christ ….. and we all fill different roles ……… how do you not know this ……… some are called to do what you do …. other are called to support what you do …. others are called to do what Dr. White does ….. and others are called to support that mission …. we all have missions in different places and for different purposes …. but they are all the Fathers purposes ……… and we have NO AUTHORITY to question His assignment ……

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Church leaders come and go, but we all ultimately have to answer to Jesus Christ.

            In order for one to have a God-given mission, one must first be given a mission by God. God never gives anyone a mission that appeases pagans, tells them paganism is okay, acceptable, and that a pagan can “mentor” and be a “kindred spirit” to a Christian.

            There is no Biblical example of any of the apostles calling an assembly, and putting a pagan up there to blaspheme, while an apostle sits by with a stupid grin on his face. Not one. That’s because it’s so deplorable and un-Christlike to do, no one with the Spirit of God could do it.

            We are told to judge those who say they are within. James White has set himself up as some sort of an expert on Islam and Christianity, and as such, he must be judged.

            Why do you think ex-Muslims, now-converted-to-Christ are so upset with what he did? Why do you think Muslim extremists are crowing over his actions as though it were a victory for Sharia? And why do you think people like Linda Sarsour are on White’s side?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure … we all have to answer to Christ ……

            we are all given a mission by God ….. it is called the Great Commission ……… and you are in no position nor do you have any authority to judge Dr. Whites mission any more than i get to judge yours ………. or who assigned it …. or in what matter it is carried out ………. that is for his church and the church elders of his church to decide because they know him …. and we do not ………………….

            and again with the out of context accusation ….. and it is a half truth …. so no truth at all ….. and a lie ……

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            But you do get to judge mine, and I get to judge yours, and we all get to judge James White’s (who is not a doctor, by the way. Why do you persist in calling him that? He has yet to achieve an accredited Ph.D.).

            The Word says, “do not ye judge them that are within?” (1 Corinthians 5:12). It is only those who are not saved that we are not to judge because they are judged already.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i do not get to judge the mission itself ……… your objection was that JW was not in a muslim country like you …… irrelevant ……… not his mission …. that is your mission ……. and sure you can judge him in that manner ….. and you will be judged by the standard you use to judge others …….. but here is the thing … JW ….. is NOT UNDER YOUR AUTHORITY ……. his church and church elders are ………….. and JW is under authority ….. and if you have a problem with that ….. then you need to contact his church elders …… that is Matthew 18 ………. you have a disgreement with the elders who had full knowledge of JW and his mission ……… or with Christ for allowing the mission to go forward ……….. and Christ DID allow it …………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            My point is that everyone who says he is in Christ must be judged, and that includes James White. We all answer to Jesus Christ, including James White and his church elders. And he will some day.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and i said nothing to say that was not so ………. and neither has JW ………….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Sure he has. He called a jihadist his mentor and kindred spirit. Can’t imagine the apostle Paul or Peter or John saying that to a pagan.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again …. out of context …. half the truth is a lie ….. you are lying …………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You do know that the video to him saying that is linked in the article, don’t you? And readily available on the internet?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            FYI … Dr. White has done over 150 debates and most of them are online …. on the utube machine ….. how many have these three done ….. EVER …. between them ….. i doubt you could muster 10 …..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why do you continue to call White “Dr” when he clearly doesn’t hold the title from an accredited university?

            Number doesn’t equal substance, but I’m sure I’ve done won more debates than the pseudo doctor has. The only time he can win anything is when he hides behind Dr. Brown (someone who really does deserve the title “Dr.”).

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so what “degrees” does BH hold … and in what ….. FYI BH is not even the pastor of a church …. this is not about degrees ….. it is not about which of these men did what ….. it is about salvation and the gospel ……. “Number doesn’t equal substance” …. and your having never listened to those debates …. have no basis to make a judgement of if they had substance or not ……… agree or disagree with Dr. White …. i do not care …. but i will give you the point on Dr. Brown ….. but he has never been at any of Dr. Whites debates …..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The point isn’t who holds what degree. The point is the dishonesty of James White to call himself a “doctor”. Even his twitter handle ridiculously holds the title “Dr”.

            I’ve listened to lots of White’s debates. That’s how I know I don’t respect him.

            You are wrong about Dr. Brown. He has not only debated White, but he has debated with White.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            okay ….. “The point isn’t who holds what degree.” … which is exactly what i said …….. SO WHAT …. i find Dr. Whites friendship with Brown troubling ….. and if you do not like Dr. White …. SO WHAT …. has nothing to do with his debate and whether he is right ……….. although BIBLICALLY …. he is right …… in every debate i have heard ……….. so … he is not afraid to debate …. your accusation is false ……….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            He has not won every debate, and he has refused to debate people who can beat him handily. He is a coward and false accuser of the brethren.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            lol … wow …. not sure anyone “wins” a debate ….. it is a subjective judgement …. not even sure you have any idea what happens for a debate to take place much less what it is for …. so the false accuser here again … is you …………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Truth is never subjective.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            but a DEBATE IS as to “who won” ………….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            What do you think a debate about the gospel is except for truth?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Dr. White is always about the gospel ….. his opponents rarely are ……… so not sure what your point is …… and if a person rejects the scriptures … or has a flawed understanding of them ….. then they will follow that … and not what the scriptures say ……….. people follow their idolatry ……… it is subjective as to “who won” ……….. if a person rejects truth ….. then the truth will not “win” ………… to them ……… surprise …

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            He’s not a doctor. He wasn’t about the gospel. He was about being kindred spirits with someone with the antichrist spirit.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again …. OUT OF CONTEXT …………… may as well just label it what it is …. YOU ARE LYING …….

          • Bob Johnson

            To quote “Life of Brian,” “What have the Roman’s ever done for us?”

  • WesTexan

    It’s certainly not rocket science! James White invited a Satanist to sit in among a Christian congregation to do what? Islam is a violent, evil invention of a pedophile. There is no common ground. It is exactly the same as if Mr. White had invited Satan to come in, sit down and have a friendly conversation. Mr. White is deceived. May God have mercy on him.

    • Trilemma

      Muslims are not Satanists. There is common ground in that both Christians and Muslims worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        You’re still trying to prove the moon god is Jehovah? Unbelievable!

        • Trilemma

          Muslims don’t worship the moon god. Why do you insist on insulting Muslims?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why do you pretend you don’t know the origin of the moon god who is known as allah when I’ve explained it to you ad nauseam?

          • Trilemma

            The origin of the moon god known as allah is irrelevant. Muslims don’t worship it.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Of course they do. That’s why they insist its name, allah, is used instead of the term “god” regardless of the language that is being spoken.

          • Trilemma

            Allah is the proper name Muslims use for the god of Abraham.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No it isn’t. We’ve been through this before, but you keep lying about it.

          • Trilemma

            The claim that Muslims worship the moon god has been debunked. It’s propaganda to promote Islamophobia. Why do you keep trying to perpetuate this myth?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Not only has it not been debunked, it’s been proven archaeologically. Why do you keep misrepresenting history?

          • Trilemma

            What archaeological proof?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            bibleDOTca/islam/islam-photos-moon-worship-archealolgyDOThtm

          • Trilemma

            This is from the site you referenced.

            Muhammad grew up worshipping many pagan gods in the Kabah including the moon, either called Hubal and Allah. After his conversion to monotheism, through the influence of Christians, Muhammad stopped worshiping the moon. The same is true for all Muslims since, down to the present day.

            This clearly says Muslims do not worship a moon god thanks to the influence of Christians. So, this site debunks your myth.

            What the site does says is that the crescent moon image used by Islam has its origins in a religion that worshiped the moon god. Islam borrowed an image from another religion but that doesn’t mean they worship the god of that other religion. When Constantine became a Christian, he still worshipped the sun god and wanted to combine the two religions. So, in pictures of saints he had a sun disk depicted behind their heads. This sun disk later became known as a halo. Just because Christians borrowed an image from a religion that worshiped the sun god doesn’t mean Christians worship the sun god. In the same way, just because Muslims borrowed an image from a religion that worshiped the moon doesn’t mean Muslims worship the moon god.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Actually, you missed this:

            “Allat, according to recent study of the complicated inspirational evidence, is believed to have been introduced into Arabia from Syria, and to have been the moon goddess of North Arabia. If this is the correct interpretation of her character, she corresponded to the moon deity of South Arabia, Almaqah, `Vadd, `Amm or Sin as he was called, the difference being only the oppositeness of gender. Mount Sinai (the name being an Arabic feminine form of Sin) would then have been one of the centers of the worship of this northern moon goddess. Similarly, al-`Uzza is supposed to have come from Sinai, and to have been the goddess of the planet Venus. As the moon and the evening star are associated in the heavens, so too were Allat and al-`Uzza together in religious belief, and so too are the crescent and star conjoined on the flags of Arab countries today. (The Archeology Of World Religions, Jack Finegan, 1952, p482-485, 492)”

            And you dishonestly failed to finish the quote you started:

            “However, the crescent moon is the universal symbol of Islam. Muslims will argue that there is no archeological evidence for the crescent moon symbol being used in Islam for the first few centuries after Muhammad. Yet Muslims also claim that Koran in its completed form existed in the time of Muhammad, yet there is no archeological evidence for this claim either. What we can be sure of, is the moon worship was more prevalent in Arabia than any other part of the world and that the symbol of the crescent moon has been used by the Arab religions as far back as the time of Abraham. It is a falsification of history to think there is no connection with the history of the crescent moon symbol of pagan moon god worship and Islam. The fact remains that most Arab/Muslim countries today still use the crescent moon symbol on their flags and atop of their mosques. The connection is so powerful that only the blind would reject any connection.”

          • Trilemma

            I didn’t miss that. What you quoted says the crescent moon image used by Islam has it’s origins in a religion that worshiped the moon god. I don’t dispute that. What you just quoted does not say Muslims worship the moon god. The article makes it clear in the first two sentences that Muslims do not worship the moon god.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No, it shows that their origin is the moon god and that all they have done is changed some of the particulars while retaining the essence of the original paganism.

          • Trilemma

            And one of those particulars is changing from worshiping the moon god to worshiping the god of Abraham as stated in the first two sentences of the article.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You are adding words and you know it. The God of Abraham is not a moon god.

          • Trilemma

            I never said the God of Abraham is a moon god. The website you sent me to says Muslims do not worship the moon god.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            What do you think the word “however” means? And why do you think the website title is “Muslims worship the moon god” if they do not? Come now, Trilemma. Don’t misrepresent facts. Give the full quote.

          • Trilemma

            The webpage says Muslims don’t worship the moon god. The “however” leads into a discussion of the origin of the crescent moon symbol. It does not go off and say Muslims worship the moon god.

            Where did you get the title of the site being, “Muslims worship the moon god?” The title of the site is, “The Interactive Bible.” The title of the page you sent me to is, “Archaeological photo gallery of the Arabian Moon-God.”

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Do you not know how to read URL’s? And no, you are making up stories and excluding the entire quote. Do you only come here to make sly anti-Semitic slurs or do you just have too much time on your hands?

          • Trilemma

            The URL of the page is, “islam-photos-moon-worship-archealolgy.” It is not, “”Muslims worship the moon god.” You posted the entire quote. After it says Muslims don’t worship the moon god where does it reverse itself and say they do worship the moon god?

            I don’t make sly anti-Semitic slurs. That is a false accusation.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You are making an anti-Semitic slur whenever you claim Jews worship the moon god. You make an anti-Semitic slur when you say Muslims and allah are on par with Jews and Jehovah.

            Thank you for proving that photos prove that Islam worships the moon god.

          • Trilemma

            I have never claimed Jews worship the moon god. Comparing the behavior of the ancient Israelites as depicted in the Old Testament to Muslims is not anti-Semitic. I am not promoting discrimination, hostility or prejudice against Jews. The photos prove Islam uses a symbol that was used in another religion but they don’t prove Muslims worship the moon god.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            It is anti-Semitic because it is false to compare the Jews to Muslims. Isaac is the child of promise, but Ishmael is a child of the bondwoman.

            ” Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.”

            Galatians 4: 30

            You were given clear pictorial evidence along with archaeological reports, yet still you deny and misrepresent what was there. If one chooses to be blind, deaf, and dumb, can he be helped?

          • Trilemma

            It is not false to compare history. Arabs are the descendants of Ishmael and are therefore Semitic. Promoting discrimination, hostility, lies or prejudice against Arab Muslims is anti-Semitic.

            The page you sent me to says Muslims don’t worship the moon god. Please quote where the page says otherwise.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I already gave you the quote. Remember? You quoted only the first part and failed to post the part that says they DO worship the moon god. Why do you keep following me around repeating an obvious, proven falsehood?

            You have also misrepresented Jews, Judaism, and disparaged the Word of God. Shame on you.

          • Trilemma

            Please quote the sentence on that page that says Muslims worship the moon god.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Scroll up. I already gave it to you. Hint: it’s in quotation marks. 🙂

          • Trilemma

            I scrolled. I read. But I don’t see anything that explicitly says Muslims worship the moon god. So, help me out here. How do you conclude that this webpage turns around and says Muslims worship the moon god?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Read the quote a few posts up. The one you have conveniently, repeatedly ignored.

          • Jim Blainey

            So it’s kind of how Christians started celebrating Christmas on Dec. 25 because it corresponded with the time of worshiping the pagan Roman god Saturn, but that doesn’t automatically mean that Christians are also worshiping Saturn, just incorporating something from another culture.

            Gotcha. Logic isn’t that hard. 🙂

      • WesTexan

        Muslims are Satanists. They worship a false god — a Babylonian demon — a moon “god.” They deny that Jesus died on the cross, was buried and rose from the dead. They deny the deity of Jesus Christ. That is Satanic. Islam was invented by a pedophile, and Muslims proudly practice pedophilia. That is Satanic. They believe that women are inferior to men and that Muslim men should beat or even murder them if they are so moved — that is Satanic. Muslims believe the Jews and Christians should be exterminated. That is Satanic. Muslims have murdered over 600,000,000 (that’s million) people in the last 1400 years. It doesn’t get anymore Satanic than that. Islam is Satanic, they will never change, and there is no common ground.

        Their only hope is that they repent from their Satanic ways and turn to Jesus Christ for salvation. Currently, Muslims are being saved in large numbers. There is a miraculous move of the Spirit of God in the Middle East. Jesus is coming to them in their dreams and announcing Himself to them. Conversion to Jesus Christ is a mystery to them, and those who are witnessing this and reject Jesus are becoming even more violent — attempting to murder those Muslims who have found peace in Jesus Christ.

        • Trilemma

          Satanists are atheists. Muslims are not atheists so they cannot be Satanists. Muslims don’t worship a moon god. That is an absurd fringe theory that insults Muslims.

          There are Christians who deny the deity of Jesus. Jews also deny the deity and resurrection of Jesus so they must be just as Satanic as Muslims. The Israelites of the Old Testament practiced pedophilia and Rebecca could have been as young as three when she married Isaac. Some Christian denominations treat women as inferior to men.

          Please cite your source for the 600,00,000 claim.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Satanists are not atheists. They knowingly fight against God. And there you go again with your anti-Semitism.

          • Trilemma

            Satanists are atheists and they fight against religion and the belief in gods.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No they don’t. They know God exists. They just don’t want to worship Him so they choose Satan instead.

          • zampogna

            Satanists are atheists. Your statement makes no sense, they wouldn’t “fight against” a God they don’t believe exists.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Some claim to be, yet they take the name of satan on them and worship him. Talk about taqiyya.

          • zampogna

            Maybe in popular culture they say that for attention but I am sure very few people worship Satan.

      • Paula Coyle

        no, they don’t. I am defending White in this, but your comment is NOT something White would agree to.

        • Trilemma

          Which part? Does Mr. White believe Muslims are Satanists or does he believe they don’t worship the god of Abraham?

  • Trilemma

    Why is it wrong to have this kind of public dialog with someone who believes in Islam but it would be right to have this kind of dialog with someone who believes in Judaism?

    • Jim Blainey

      Good point. James White had a similar dialogue with a Mormon in a church in Utah over a year ago. But you’ll hear nothing from his critics because it doesn’t feed their anti-Muslim, fear-mongering, false narrative.

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Why not Satanists too? How about J-Witnesses? Mormons?

      • Trilemma

        Satanists also, along with Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons, Hindus, Buddhists and atheists.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          At least you’re being honest about your agenda for once.

          • Trilemma

            Why are you against dialog and mutual understanding?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Don’t try to slyly misrepresent propaganda as dialogue and mutual understanding.

          • Trilemma

            What propaganda?

          • michael louwe

            Of course, you agree with leaders of Satanists or witches or atheists or idolaters giving “dialogs” to Christians in Church.

            Does the Church of Satan or Church of Atheism or Witches Coven return such foolish Christian favours, ie allow pastors to give “dialogs”.?

          • Trilemma

            So what if those others don’t return the favor? Are Christians called to be like everyone else? Is the second greatest commandment now, “Don’t do unto others as others don’t do unto you?”

          • michael louwe

            MATTHEW.7: = 12 Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
            .
            .
            Do you befriend or love those who hate you and wanna kill you, eg Muslim terrorists wanting to kill every Westerner.? God did not give us common sense for nothing. England’s Common Law is mostly based on common sense. US Law originated from English Law.

            Fyi, ROMANS.12:19-21 commands conservative Christians to not retaliate against their powerful persecutors but instead “bless” them, eg the liberals of the Blue States and the liberal-dominated US govt, so that God/Jesus can exact vengeance and heap coals of fire on their persecutors’/prosecutors’ heads, eg coming Armageddon/Dooms Day for unbelievers when Jesus Christ returns to earth(1THESS.4:16). This command is not actually “to love your enemy”.
            ……. God’s Law do not change, ie “Love your neighbor/friend as yourself and hate your enemy” still applies to Christians.(cf; ROM.9:13, HOSEA.9:15)

          • Trilemma

            ”Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.”

            So, if you want men to listen to what you have to say then you have to listen to what they have to say. Have a dialog.

            ”God’s Law do not change, ie “Love your neighbor/friend as yourself and hate your enemy” still applies to Christians.”

            “You have heard that it was said, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.’ “But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, – Matthew 5:43-44 NASB

            Jesus abolished the command you say still applies to Christians. The command actually is, “Love your enemy.”

          • michael louwe

            At MATTHEW.5: , the Lord/God Jesus Christ had also said, ……. ” 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell. 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.”
            .
            IOW, no one can escape being sent to hell upon death without faith/belief in Jesus the Christ/Messiah. Avoid committing sins/evil-deeds/law-breaking with our eyes and limbs is not enough to be saved from hell. Why.? Bc of Adam’s Original Sin – ROMANS.5:12.

  • billinghamboy

    The question must always centre around Christ,what do they believe about Him?All the cults including Muslim’s will fail this test and by doing so inform us that there in no way of a coming together.We must witness to the truth of Christ with love for these people,nothing else.

  • Paula Coyle

    Don’t forget that some of them have basically said James White is a false convert.

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      It’s more likely that a man who says he is kindred spirits with someone who says Jesus Christ is not the Son of God is engaging in taqiyya, not a brother whose life bears the marks of the Lord Jesus Christ.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        again … out of context … half truth … and what you are saying is a lie ……… as half the truth is not the truth ……

  • OmniCharlie

    Well, since it’s so important for White to “dialogue” with a prominent Muslim cleric (whose connections with radicals and jihadists make it even more exciting and stimulating!!) so that we can better understand them, and they better understand the Christian Gospel (are you kidding? As if evil having a “better understanding” makes a difference!?! – even demons “believe” and tremble- these Muslims “understand” the Gospel and hate it – darkness hates the light!); Why limit these grand informative dialogues up front in church to just Islam? Why not have seminars on the church stage with Necrophiliacs? The North American Man-boy love association? The New York Mafia? Anton LaVay’s First Church of Satan? PolyAmory Leadership Spokespeople? There are endless opportunities for mutual better understanding and bridge building!

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      yeah … he is SOOOO prominent that almost NO ONE hear had heard of him before this started …………. and there was no “bridge building” ….. but many here need to build a bridge … and get over it ……..

  • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    “Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?” 2 Corinthians 6:14)

    • Jim Blainey

      If an apologetic or evangelistic encounter equals “being unequally yoked” then the Apostle Paul violated this scripture a multitude of times in the book of Acts. So this verse must refer to another type of encounter. And it does. Paul was opposing Judiazers in Galatians. John was opposing Gnostics and Docetists in 1 & 2 John.

      These were false teachers *claiming to be Christians* who were threatening the church from WITHIN *by stealth* not pagans being reasoned with in the public square.

      If you have an alternate exegesis that supports your position, I’d love to hear it.

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Having a Muslim teach a crowd about Islam and sitting next to him while he does so with a stupid grin on your face and referring to that imam (who has called for the death of Christians and Jews) as your “kindred spirit” is hardly the work of an evangelist.

        • Jim Blainey

          Another dodge.

          “If you have an alternate exegesis that supports your position, I’d love to hear it.”

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You just keep asking the same inane question as a form of harassment. Why is that?

          • Jim Blainey

            It’s harassment to ask someone to explain a verse of scripture they themselves have posted?

            I would think it simple obedience to 2 Tim. 2:15 and 1 Peter 3:15.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            It’s harassment to refuse to discuss the topic at hand because you lost the debate. Your arguments are as bogus as “Dr.” White’s fake title.

          • Jim Blainey

            More dodging. You can’t answer a direct question, so you change the subject.

            If you don’t want to offer an explanation of the proof-text you posted, then so be it.

            If you can’t refute the explanation *I* gave of the verse *you* posted, then so be it.

            It’s hard to lose a debate when you’re the only one who shows up.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Dude, you’re projecting. You won’t discuss the topic of the article because you know James White was wrong and your defense of the indefensible is despicable.

            Janet Mefferd did a great job exposing James White’s major error in this “dialogue”.

          • Jim Blainey

            I’m projecting? Ok, if you can post the link to your comment where you offer an explanation of your proof-text (2 Cor. 6:14) then I’ll concede the point.

            FYI, I notice you keep trying to change the topic (“Dr” White, Janet Mefferd, “topic of the article”). It won’t work. None of those rabbit trails are in any way relevant to any of the discussions you and I have had over the past two days. (I actually agree with two of the three.)

          • michael louwe

            Dr. James White is partnering with and abetting Dr. Yasir Qadhi to teach Christian lay members about Islam and the Islamic gospel. That is being unequally yoked with unbelievers. Other examples are life partners and business partners.

          • Jim Blainey

            The dialogue at the church was the first of a two-part public educational event. It was a ticketed event that was open to the public, and according to the pastor of the church that hosted the event, around 70% of those in attendance were neither Muslims nor church members. It was a community event.

            If the event had been held on a Sunday morning, if any biblical elements of corporate worship had been observed, or if the audience was comprised of church members, I would agree with you. But it was not.

            If White and Qadhi had been engaged in a spiritual enterprise together like starting a church, if White had been trying to install Qadhi as an elder of the church, or if they had been trying to harmonize Christianity and Islam, I would agree with you. But they weren’t.

            Biblical marriage is a spiritual enterprise, but the verse doesn’t apply to secular business. A Christian and an unbeliever may be yoked together like two oxen working together to pull a load if they’re flipping burgers or selling insurance, but not if they are in ministry. White and Qadhi are not in business together. The context of 2 Corinthians 6 is Christian ministry.

            1 Corinthians 5:9-13 is a parallel passage that illustrates the principles found in 2 Corinthians 6:14-18. Everything instructed in the 2 Cor. passage is applied to the man in the 1 Cor. passage. But notice Paul’s stated focus. He’s not talking about those outside the church, but those inside the church. Verse 11 contrasted with verse 10 makes it clear, it’s not pagans outside the church we are to separate from (we should be engaging them like Paul in the book of Acts), its those unbelievers claiming to be Christians we are to avoid.

            If White had in any way been indicating that Qadhi was a Christian or the differences between Christianity and Islam don’t matter and they both worship the same god, this verse would apply and I would be on board with you. But that is the exact opposite of what happened during the dialogue.

          • SR

            Are you James White?

          • Jim Blainey

            No.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            JW is Dr.Oakley online …. so that would be a no ………….

          • SR

            I wasn’t talking to you.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so what ……….

          • michael louwe

            “I cannot deny that one of the reasons any Muslim would talk about Islam in front of a non-Muslim audience is to demonstrate the beauty of
            Islam, and hope that some amongst them find in it the true message that Jesus himself preached,” he wrote in part. “And I know full well that
            Mr. White’s intentions, which he has expressed explicitly, was to hope
            that some Muslims convert as they listen to him explain Christianity.”
            .
            It’s quite clear that Drs. White and Qadhi are yoked together in their fleshly quest to convert each others flock.
            ……. IOW, Dr. White agreed to let Dr. Qadhi try to convert his Christian flock while Dr. Qadhi agreed to let Dr.White try to convert his Muslim flock. What Dr. White might have done is not according to the Word of God, ie sacrificing his flock so that he could gain Muslim converts(cf; taqiyya).
            ……. Guess who will end up the loser in this conversion-contest.?
            Pastors are supposed to be wise as serpents. Fyi, serpents is a symbol for the devil. IOW, pastors should be very wary of the wiles/schemes of the devil.

          • Jim Blainey

            I exegeted the passage, explanation and application.

            Your response was to restate your argument.

            Do you know how these things work?

          • michael louwe

            The main point is whether they are yoked together or not, wrt 2COR.6:14.

          • Jim Blainey

            Thanks for the good discussion.

            I agree. 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 is a good application of the principles found in 2 Corinthians 6:14-18.

            When Paul said Christians shouldn’t associate with unbelievers, he didn’t mean unbelievers out in the world, but unbelievers in the church claiming to be Christians (lit. “anyone who bears the name of brother”).

            2 Cor. 6:14 refers to partnering with unbelievers to engage in Christian ministry. Dr. Qadhi never claimed to be a Christian and they weren’t patterning to do Christian ministry, so the passage is irrelevant to this situation.

            On the other hand, James White’s association with Qadhi was similar to the associations Paul had with unbelievers in passages like Acts 14 and Acts 17. So if James White violated 2 Cor. 6:14, then the Apostle Paul did as well.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            This poster doesn’t really want a sincere answer. He follows around asking the same inane questions repeatedly pretending he does not understand the answer.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Dr. James White is partnering”

            there is no “partnering” ……. so that is a lie …………..

          • michael louwe

            “I cannot deny that one of the reasons any Muslim would talk about Islam in front of a non-Muslim audience is to demonstrate the beauty of Islam, and hope that some amongst them find in it the true message that Jesus himself preached,” he wrote in part. “And I know full well that Mr. White’s intentions, which he has expressed explicitly, was to hope that some Muslims convert as they listen to him explain Christianity.”

            I would be happy if any Christian who listened to my lecture converted,” Qadhi also acknowledged.
            .
            Mr. White and Dr. Qadhi are partners-in-“crime” in trying to convert each other’s flock, ie by mutually agreeing to allow each other’s flock to be converted.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Uh, the topic IS White.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Grand Canyon University is a fake christian school ….. WOW … just WOW ……. as is Fuller Theological Seminary ….. again …. WOW ……..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You do know he just got a BA at GCU, don’t you? CEU, where he got his alleged doctorate, is not accredited.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again …. further lies and misinformation ……….

            White graduated with a BA from Grand Canyon University (formerly known as Grand Canyon College) and an MA from Fuller Theological Seminary. He earned ThM, ThD and DMin degrees from Columbia Evangelical Seminary (formerly Faraston Theological Seminary) an unaccredited correspondence school. In March 2017, White announced that he is working on an accredited PhD at North-West University in Potchefstroom, South Africa.

            SO WHAT ……………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You just proved that what I said is correct, even though you had to run to wiki to confirm it. LOL Do you not read what you cut-and-paste? He went to a correspondence school that’s a hole in the wall storefront for his “doctorate”. That’s why he’s trying to get a new doctorate, presumably through mail order or online. Why’s he afraid to attend a real university or college?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so it is “unaccredited” …. SO WHAT ……………….

            Why’s he afraid to attend a real university or college?

            In March 2017, White announced that he is working on an accredited PhD at North-West University in Potchefstroom, South Africa.

            could not tread the whole thing i see …………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You did not read my entire post (or it went over your head) because I address the South African degree he’s “working on”. How’s he doing that? Mail order? Internet? Since he’s not actually in South Africa but rather hanging out with his “kindred spirit” jihadist friend.

          • Jim Blainey

            Don’t bother with this desperate criticism of Dr. White. Accreditation is a 20th century invention. No one prior to the 20th century had an accredited doctorate. Einstein had an unaccredited doctorate.

            None of the job titles White holds require an accredited doctorate, including an instructor at accredited academic institutions.

            Even today many international universities have governmental accreditation, not educational accreditation.

            These critics know as much about accreditation as they do about exegesis: nothing.

  • Reason2012

    Wolves in sheep’s clothing are teaching the lie that we need to let those who hold to anti-Christ doctrines come before Christian congregations and teach Christians their anti-Christ doctrines, all because that’s how you supposedly witness to the anti-Christ teacher.

    No, you reach out to those who do not hold to Christ to witness to them, preaching Christ and the cross . You don’t instead invite them to teach their anti-Christ doctrines to Christians, teaching Christians to fellowship with them and point out how you admire them for the strength of their anti-Christ faith, like White does.

  • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    Former Muslim and now-Christian pastor calls out James White:

    worldviewweekendDOTcom/tv/video/evangelical-minister-calls-jihadi-imam-mentor-says-he-senses-kindred-spirit-him-during

    • zampogna

      You should probably just stop posting.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      and is this “former muslim” practicing “Taqiya” and how do you know if he is or not ………..

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        You are falsely accusing a good brother in the Lord. Shame on you. You can tell a tree by its fruit.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          i am ASKING A QUESTION OF YOU ….. how do you know …. He is the “former muslim” ……… HOW do YOU KNOW ….. YOU wrote “Former Muslim and now-Christian pastor” ….. HOW do you KNOW …………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I already answered you. By his fruits. Why do you keep repeating yourself when you’ve already received an answer?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no you have not ………… how do you know he is not a very good liar practicing Taquiya ……….. what fruits ……… when have you listened to him and for how long ….. what about what he said convinced you he is a good pastor ….. that he agrees with you about White ….. what evidence …..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re intentionally being combative. I know him. I know his fruits. He has been under constant attack for his faith. How many armed Muslims have shown up outside one of your conferences to threaten you to shut up about Christ?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you are intentionally making statements about people being good pastors … and you have nothing but your outrage to suggest they are ………. and the only thing that makes them good in your eyes is that they agree with you about White …………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I haven’t shown outrage. I have held these brothers in high esteem long before White decided to pull his jihadi stunt. You, however, have chosen to disparage men who bear the marks of the Lord Jesus in their bodies. Shame on you.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i have not disparaged them …. i have ASKED YOU and you cannot answer ….. HOW DO YOU KNOW ………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Do you not bother to read the responses to your posts?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            do you not respond with anything but platitudes …………… WHAT FRUIT …………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You don’t know what good fruit is because you haven’t produced any. You think that dialoguing with a jihadist is some big Christian feat. What will you do when hard times come? And believe me, they are coming.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again … WHAT FRUIT …. that was deflection …. WHAT FRUIT have you seen from this guy YOU are touting …..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Muslims turning to Christ. That fruit. Which is more than we can say for James White.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            because you are omniscient ….. here is a clue …… Shahram has turned no one …. that was Christ …. James has turned no one …. that was Christ ….. i have turned no one …. that was Christ …… you have turned no one ….. that was Christ …………

            do you see a pattern here ….. it is not about us …. it is about Christ ………….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Too bad James White doesn’t realize that.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no … he does realize that …… God uses His servants to carry out His will ….. and JW is obedient to that …….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            His actions prove otherwise.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope …. you misuse of scripture leads you to believe so ….. you have no scripture IN CONTEXT to prove your point ………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            So is that the game White’s zealots are going to play? Pretend that the verses that condemn him are “out of context”? That’s really sad.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you know what … i actually learned that from BRANNON HOWSE ……. but he seems to have forgotten it …………….. and it is sad …… that you have NOTHING ELSE but taking scripture out of context ………………. look up TWISTED SCRIPTURE, TWISTED THEOLOGY …… by BRANNON S. HOWSE …………. free pdf download …………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You clearly don’t understand what you read. Howse is pointing out what cult members do. You know, how Mormons take a verse and pad it with their own false religion. That’s what James White followers do and are doing now. It’s egregious.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope …….. try READING it AGAIN …………

            “Many self-professing Christians do not believe in absolute truth,
            and although they would not admit this, they show it by how they
            approach God’s Word. These people believe that what a text means
            is based on the personal opinion and interpretation of the reader.”

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why are you spamming the board?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            because you cant read ….. or refuse to do so …………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ” Howse is pointing out what cult members do. You know, how Mormons take a verse and pad it with their own false religion. ”

            NOTE the names mentioned ……….. Among those appearing on
            the DVD are popular Christian teachers Max Lucado, Beth Moore,
            and Richard Foster, but the reason to be concerned about how some
            of these leaders might twist scripture doesn’t begin with this DVD.

            Twisted Scripture Number 1
            Psalm 46:10
            The Scripture: Be still, and know that I am God; I will be exalted
            among the nations, I will be exalted in the earth!

            The Twist: “Be still, and know that I am God” is used to declare
            that believers need to be involved in what’s called “contemplative
            prayer,” or “breath prayers,” or “centering prayers,” or “soaking
            prayers.”

            The cover of Be Still, a DVD produced in 2006, included this:
            “Be still and know that I am God, Psalm 46:10.” And what is this
            DVD about? It’s about contemplative prayer; it’s about breath prayers
            or centering prayers or soaking prayers. Among those appearing on
            the DVD are popular Christian teachers Max Lucado, Beth Moore,
            and Richard Foster, but the reason to be concerned about how some
            of these leaders might twist scripture doesn’t begin with this DVD.
            There’s a track record behind what they have to say.
            In his best-selling book, Celebration of Discipline, Richard Foster
            proclaims that through the use of one’s imagination a person can actually
            see and talk to Jesus Christ:
            As you enter the story, not as a passive observer but as an active
            participant, remember that since Jesus lives in the Eternal
            Now and is not bound by time, this event in the past is a
            living present-tense experience for Him. Hence, you can actually
            encounter the living Christ in the event, be addressed
            by His voice and be touched by His healing power. It can be
            more than an exercise of the imagination; it can be a genuine
            confrontation. Jesus Christ will actually come to you.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why are you spamming the board with the same unrelated passage over and over again?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Howse is being a hypocrite ……….. so quite relevant …………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Oh … and it proves YOUR point WRONG …… it is not just about “cults” ……

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You don’t even know what you’re posting. At this point, it’s just spam.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            yawn again ……….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You don’t even know what cults are. You will have blood on your hands for supporting Islam via James White.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Howse is pointing out what cult members do. You know, how Mormons take a verse and pad it with their own false religion.”

            Note the names ….. I have had Psalm 105:15 used against me many times
            when writing or speaking against pastors such as Joel Osteen or Rick
            Warren, who are false teachers.

            Twisted Scripture Number 8
            Psalm 105:15
            The Scripture: Do not touch My anointed ones, and do My prophets
            no harm.
            The Twist: I have had Psalm 105:15 used against me many times
            when writing or speaking against pastors such as Joel Osteen or Rick
            Warren, who are false teachers. I’ve also seen it invoked when someone
            simply disagrees with his or her pastor and someone in the church tries
            to manipulate or intimidate the “dissident” into silence by using Psalm
            105:15 out of context.
            The problem is this: We are called to expose false teaching and
            false teachers. Romans 16:17 commands, “Mark those who are contrary
            to doctrine and avoid them.” To mark them you have to identify
            them, and to avoid them you have to know whom you’re avoiding.
            However, in today’s politically correct world, we are often told we
            are not to judge. As we will see in another chapter, even this is completely
            unbiblical.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ” Howse is pointing out what cult members do. You know, how Mormons take a verse and pad it with their own false religion.”

            Note the names Howse uses …………. Benny Hinn or Joel Osteen or Rick Warren or Kenneth Copeland They are using Psalm 105:15 completely out of context in order to defend their favored teachers … Howse own words from his book …..

            False teachers convince people to believe spiritual lies. As a result,
            their followers will defend the false teachers and say things such
            as “How dare you speak out against someone like Benny Hinn or Joel
            Osteen or Rick Warren or Kenneth Copeland! Scripture says that we
            are to ‘Touch not God’s anointed ones.’”

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “You clearly don’t understand what you read. Howse is pointing out what cult members do. You know, how Mormons take a verse and pad it with their own false religion.”

            Howse own words from his book …………

            This teaching may be new to you (I hope), but this little god theology
            is very popular. I cover this topic in Religious Trojan Horse and
            point out that Benny Hinn, Kenneth Copeland, and others have taught
            this same heresy. On page 141 of Religious Trojan Horse, I quote Benny
            Hinn saying this:

            When Jesus was on Earth, the Bible says that first He disrobed
            Himself of the divine form. He, the limitless God, became
            man that we men may become as He is.35

            By teaching this, Hinn is in strange company. Mormons also teach
            that God was once a man of flesh and bone, who evolved to become
            God, so we are of the same essential substance as God. According to
            Mormon doctrine, Mormon men can also become gods or a god because
            Jesus set the pattern. Hinn explains his version of the heresy this way:

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Again, why are you spamming the board with off topic posts?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Howse is being a hypocrite ……….. so quite relevant …………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Howse wasn’t up on stage with White and Qadhi.

            Many former Muslims, now Christians, are calling out White on his obvious hypocrisy and lack of knowledge. He is an embarrassment.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            right … the one causing division here is BH …. not Dr. White ……..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You have Brannon Howse on the brain. He is not responsible for White committing heresy.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            there was no heresy …. and you have no IN CONTEXT scripture that says it was …………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You will have blood on your hands when Muslims continue to slaughter Christians and Islam spreads because you did not stand against it, and instead supported a heretic.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You don’t even know what a hypocrite is. You will have blood on your hands for choosing Islam over Christ.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so more false accusations ……….. “That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof” ……………

            Matthew
            12:34 O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.
            12:35 A good man out of the good treasure of the heart bringeth forth good things: and an evil man out of the evil treasure bringeth forth evil things.
            12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment.
            12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Defending the faith is not idle words. Shame on you for not knowing the difference!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you are not defending the faith …. you are making false accusations without any scripture to back you up …………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The blood is on your hands, White’s hands, and anyone who supports him in this pro-Islam, anti-Christian façade.

            Those opposing White are the only ones who have used Scripture. White has used the Qur’an. (Funny from someone who can’t speak a lick of Arabic but postures like he’s some expert).

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you have no scripture IN CONTEXT with which to condemn him ……. sorry ….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You don’t even recognize Scripture when it’s been quoted. All you can do is repeat your same old mantra that has been proven false. Shame on you.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you have no scripture in context that proves DR. WHITE did any such thing …. if so PROVIDE IT ………….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You mean like the Scriptures in the youtube links I posted? Or the myriad of Scripture I posted in my previous comments? Go away. You’re just harassing at this point. You fail to hear the Word of God and you have blood on your hands for all the Muslims who will die in their sin because you and James White told them they were kindred spirits and mentors. Shame on you.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure … you have no IN CONTEXT scriptures ……….. so you have nothing ………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You have blood on your hands.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            yawn …………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            From BRANNONS book ……….

            Introduction
            Why did I write this book?
            One reason is that so many passages of Scripture are taken out
            of context and twisted to create bad theology and even false religions
            and cults. Many people are involved in what is called eisegesis, when we
            should all be doing exegesis. In eisegesis, you impose your own opinion
            or your own thoughts onto a passage of Scripture whereas in exegesis,
            you study to draw out the actual meaning of a scripture. Unfortunately,
            eisegesis is widely practiced today, largely due to our postmodern
            culture.

            Postmodernism says that truth and reality are created by man, not
            by God. This philosophical predisposition got its start in the English
            departments of many of the more liberal state universities. Postmodernism
            went so far in these schools that instructors began to teach that you
            cannot even know what someone intended to convey when you read
            what they originally wrote. They declare that each individual reader
            must determine what the author meant. This practice is now commonly
            taught in what is called Whole Language in which students are actually
            empowered to invent the shapes of letters and the spellings of words.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You seem to have trouble understanding what Howse means. Those words are good words. They are warning against what cults do.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Many self-professing Christians do not believe in absolute truth,
            and although they would not admit this, they show it by how they
            approach God’s Word. These people believe that what a text means
            is based on the personal opinion and interpretation of the reader.”

            guess you are one of the ones who DO NOT admit it ……..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why are you making up stuff and falsely accusing?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            those are BRANNONS words from HIS book ………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            a.) You are falsely accusing me of something I did not do, and

            b.) You are clearly misinterpreting Howse’s words. You are accusing him of doing the opposite of what he’s really doing.

            c.) You are throwing in Howse as a red herring because you don’t want to admit what White did is wrong. He is being supported by Muslim terrorists, the kind that kill Christians and Jews.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            false accusations ………… and Howse is the one not following either his own words or scriptures …… he has abandoned his principles …. and you have no scripture IN CONTEXT to base your accusations against Dr White ……….. if you do then provide it ……….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            youtubeDOTcom/watch?v=ON_8nOhJla4

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Further he wrote …….

            Many self-professing Christians do not believe in absolute truth,
            and although they would not admit this, they show it by how they
            approach God’s Word. These people believe that what a text means
            is based on the personal opinion and interpretation of the reader. This
            morally relativistic, situational ethics-based, postmodernist thinking results
            in eisegesis. Many church Sunday school classes and “Bible studies”
            have embraced the idea of, “Let’s read a passage of Scripture and go
            around the room and have people share what that means to them” or
            “How do you feel about that passage of Scripture?” But it doesn’t really
            matter how you feel about it. Every scripture was written by a specific
            person as the Holy Spirit moved upon him, and it was written to a
            specific group of people. The scripture is based around a specific time,
            culture, and history, and all of this must be taken into account in order
            to arrive at a true and accurate understanding of the text.
            In this book, we will dig in and unpack each passage we look at,
            and we will study the who, what, where, and why of the text. We’ll be
            doing exegesis.

            BRANNON S. HOWSE own words …………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Those are good words. Do you not know what they mean?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            From BRANNONS book ………. Twisted Scripture, Twisted Theology …..

            Introduction
            Why did I write this book?
            One reason is that so many passages of Scripture are taken out
            of context and twisted to create bad theology and even false religions
            and cults. Many people are involved in what is called eisegesis, when we
            should all be doing exegesis. In eisegesis, you impose your own opinion
            or your own thoughts onto a passage of Scripture whereas in exegesis,
            you study to draw out the actual meaning of a scripture. Unfortunately,
            eisegesis is widely practiced today, largely due to our postmodern
            culture.
            Postmodernism says that truth and reality are created by man, not
            by God. This philosophical predisposition got its start in the English
            departments of many of the more liberal state universities. Postmodernism
            went so far in these schools that instructors began to teach that you
            cannot even know what someone intended to convey when you read
            what they originally wrote. They declare that each individual reader
            must determine what the author meant. This practice is now commonly
            taught in what is called Whole Language in which students are actually
            empowered to invent the shapes of letters and the spellings of words.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You fail to realize that Howse is pointing out what cults do, not what he does. How can you not see that?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Many self-professing Christians do not believe in absolute truth,
            and although they would not admit this, they show it by how they
            approach God’s Word. These people believe that what a text means
            is based on the personal opinion and interpretation of the reader.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re rambling on about issues that have nothing at all to do with the topic at hand. Does it make you uncomfortable? Or are you perhaps unknowingly projecting what James White has done?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you are the one who opposed “out of text” …… and yet BRANNON is the one who has abandoned it ….. as have you ………. you have no scripture IN CONTEXT to ACCUSE Dr. White ……….. so your shoe fits you …. why do you not want to wear it ……….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You are clearly miscomprehending what Howse wrote, and you are also hyper-focusing on Howse because you don’t want to talk about James White and his egregious sin.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            White did nothing wrong …. HOWSE DID ……….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            youtubeDOTcom/watch?v=ON_8nOhJla4

            worldviewweekendDOTcom/news/article/breaking-news-james-white-s-islamic-mentor-yasir-qadhi-works-muslim-linda-sarsour-who

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            yawn …. JW does not work for her …. so all you have is guilt by association …. by association ….. hmmmmm …… crawling pretty far out on that branch ………. and again …. JW did nothing wrong and you have no IN CONTEXT scripture to prove otherwise ………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            She is one of White’s biggest supporters and followers. Of course he works for her. He’s boot licking Muslim extremist boots right now.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            yeah … so what …. the KKK supports many people …. does not mean the reverse ………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            False. Again.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Howse was pointing out what people like Joel Osteen and others DO …….. and if you had ever listened to Howse you would know that ……… so unless you want to Joel Osteen a cultist … WRONG ….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so you do not want people held to what scripture ACTUALLY says …. but to what YOU think it says ….. interesting …………. how post-modern of you ………..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re actually describing James White and his supporters. The only ones using Scripture are those pointing out how egregious White’s behavior is.

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    Even if there was a debate …. that mr howse and company refuse to “dialogue” to set it up …. who here would change their mind ……

    ZZZZZZZZZZEEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRROOOOOOOOOOOOO ………….

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      That’s false. They have given a venue and White refuses to show up. He knows he cannot refute what he has done.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        when where what time and what was the thesis agreed upon ………… what were the debate parameters ………..

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          White wouldn’t set any. He just refused to show up at all.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “They have given a venue and White refuses to show up. He knows he cannot refute what he has done.””White wouldn’t set any.”

            this is what you CLAIMED ….. so “when where what time and what was the thesis agreed upon” ……….. and you cannot answer …. so it is just made up garbage ……………….. why would he not show up if he AGREED to these things …………… THERE WAS NO AGREEMENT ……..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            They invited him to come on the next radio show and White said no. How much clearer do you want it? Do you think that if you are belligerent you can force an agreement? Obviously you have serious issues accepting the fact that White is afraid to “dialogue” with anyone but kindred spirit jihadists.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            White is in Colorado ………. and a radio show IS NOT A DEBATE ……. it can be done on the radio ….. for a debate there has to be agreements as to what, when, where, a thesis, time limits, rebuttal, closing statements, etc ……… if there was no agreement …. guess what …. THEN IT WAS NOT A DEBATE ….. and that is what they asked for …………………. but that is not what they want ….. they want to excoriate ……. why should he oblige …………. debate is about EQUAL TIME ….. they want to chastise …. fine …. they can do it without him …. and they are anyway …………

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The posts are open on the internet. You can read them. White was invited to a debate and declined. Perhaps he’s afraid he’ll be as embarrassed at this event as he was on Janet Mefferd’s fine show.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i listened to JM ….. it was not terrific but it was far from “embarrassing” ………….

  • John_33 🐼✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    I am starting to become firmly convinced that the church is a place of holiness. Can unbelievers enter? Yes, but “dialoguing” or any kind of “teaching” from unbelievers should not be done there.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      okay … so what is the biblical definition of a “church” ………….

      • John_33 🐼✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        The church is the body of Christ of which Christians are members (Ephesians 5:29-30, Colossians 1:18, Colossians 1:24). Jesus said where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them. It’s not a pretty good church that brings in Imams and lets them teach poison to the flock of God. If we’re bluring the lines between the church and the spirit of antichrist (which Islam is of), what good does that do?

        The Bible expressly warns Christians not to be unequally yoked together with unbelievers. The body of Christ isn’t supposed to be with Belial, and the believer has no part with an infidel. Just like Nehemiah had to take a stand and throw all of Tobiah’s stuff out of the Temple, we need to keep our churches pure. Now is not the time to bring in Imams and all sorts of uncleanliness into our areas of worship. God calls us to be holy as he is holy and to distinguish between the clean and unclean. Yes we can witness, but we are to be separate from false doctrine (2 Corinthians 6:16-18).

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          there was no “yoking” ….. there was no spiritual enterprise or partnering ….. so not applicable and out of context …. and yes the Body of Christ is the church and not the building …. there was no worship …. so it was NOT a church …. it was in a building used BY the church ….. but it was not church …… and since the Imams were not “brought into it” ….. not applicable and out of context ……. and the Temple is not a valid comparison to the modern church …….. again … out of context and not applicable ………….

  • SR

    White’s followers practice taqiyya against Christians:
    twitter DOT com/DoRtChristians/status/887351547335761920

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      *Yawn* ………….

  • Dan_Cartwright

    This might be the most ‘reasoned’ article about Memphis on the planet!

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    Dr. White answering his critics yesterday ………..

    William Lane Craig on Presuppositionalism, More on the White/Howse (Get It?) Controversy
    youtube;com/watch?v=P0hJizyan0Y

    Replace the ; with a .

  • Scott

    It’s sad how many confessing Christians have such low confidence in the truth and power of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      You mean like White who uses gimmicks rather than preach the gospel?

  • Equalscale

    Ive noticed the far right have their own form of political correctness and that you are expected to virtue signal whenever you talk about certain issues.

  • It is fascinating to read some of these comments. Those objecting to the dialogue seem obsessed with maintaining their exclusive walls of dogma, blocking out knowledge of other cultures and religions believing theirs to be the only truth. Of course, that is what most were taught to believe, just as other cultures have taught their children that they have the only truth.

    Therefore, the real effect of objecting to dialogue is to feed the xenophobia and war of ideologies and ensure that the battlefields of Earth are literally washed in the blood of our sons and daughters. And yet many (most?) Christians pray for world peace, even if only at Christmas time (“peace on earth good will toward men”).

    In 2004, the World Council of Churches(WCC) established the International Day of Prayer for Peace. Each year since, on the 21st day of September, the WCC issues a call for all people of faith to lift their voices to Heaven in a tsunami of supplication for peace. This day of mass prayer coincides with the United Nation’s annual International Day of Peace established in 2002 to encourage all the world’s combatants to stand down, at least for one day.

    Every year since the first Peace Bell tolled in Jisenji-no-hana, Japan in 1947 in prayerful remembrance of the horror wrought by the Atomic Bomb, Peace Bells peal and citizens pray in many countries on various days of national commemoration. The United Nations Peace Bell, gifted by Japan in 1954, rings out every year on Earth Day, its bell-cord blessed and presented to the U.N. by Shinto priests in 1990.

    All of this, yet religious fundamentalists do nothing to bring about world peace, refusing to join even the attempt to understand others. Fundamentalism is the very concept that fights fang and claw against world peace, and all three Abrahamic religions have their fundamentalists.

    These interfaith “sit-downs” for understanding and acceptance of other cultures are carried out by people far more understanding and wise that most (all?) fundamentalists/evangelicals.

    Every Christian, indeed, every person needs to heed the single most important tenet by which humans should live: Do unto others as we would have them do unto us.

    It’s even a tenet in your Bible:

    “And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.” Luke 6:31, King James Version

    That is the only path to peace.

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Doing unto others does not mean pretending that the road to hell they are traveling on is good and proper. It is deceitful to not warn others of eternal damnation if they do not repent.

  • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    A real Arabic speaking Christian refutes James White and Qadhi:

    youtubeDOTcom/watch?v=ON_8nOhJla4

    and more on James White’s “kindred spirit” and “mentor’s” ties to terrorism:

    worldviewweekendDOTcom/news/article/breaking-news-james-white-s-islamic-mentor-yasir-qadhi-works-muslim-linda-sarsour-who

  • winniec

    I think ex-Muslims will give a more accurate assessment of Islam to a Christian audience because they will not downplay or whitewash the very vicious and barbaric parts of Islam. Ex-Muslims left this misogynistic, narcissistic, supremacist death cult for many good reasons. Chiefly, Muslims leave Islam because there are too many discrepancies and contradictions in the doctrines due to the thorough-going dualism of Islam whereby two contradictory doctrine are held to be simultaneously true. Virtually all of Islamic doctrines are dualistic and contradictory. A Muslim speaking to a Christian audience will try to gloss over the difficulties of amoral opportunism, the absence of historical support and the illogical contradictions in all Islamic doctrines.

  • Dianne

    This was clearly wrong on so many points already mentioned so I will add this scripture in the fear of the LORD. Christians please pay heed!
    Galatians 1:8-9 But though we, or an an from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
    As we said before, so say I now again, if any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.

    THIS IS WHAT THE APOSTLE PAUL PREACHED!!

    • Numa Newbern

      “or an ANGEL from heaven, preach any other gospel” Supposedly we have been told that a “Angel” gave the koran to Mohamed, well according to the verse quoted ANY message that supposedly came from Heaven and NOT through the Apostles is to be accursed, this also goes for ANYBODY that preaches a message that CAN’T be confirmed, validated through the Epistles,NO MATTER what they call themselves or what group they are with.

  • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    More on the dangers of interfaith dialogue:

    worldviewweekendDOTcom/tv/video/one-way-islamic-bridge-interfaith-dialogue

  • Numa Newbern

    The serpent led Eve AWAY from God’s word by giving her a OPTION OTHER THAN what God had said, “HATH God said” Every time you pick up another book, a tape, a different pastor, pope, etc. another SOURCE other than Gods word then the transition has begun, THUS the flood of DIFFERENT translations the last 50 years, the MORE diversity of thought the quicker the diluting of the original thought. IF Eve and Adam had of NEVER LENT their ear to another voice they would of never spiritually died. Jesus gave us THE example, He ONLY listened to His Fathers voice, it wasn’t that he didn’t hear others, it was He was NEVER persuaded by any other than His Father.

  • KDK2

    Janet Mefford and Steve Camp addressed this topic yesterday.
    soundcloud DOT com/janetmefferdtoday/7-31-17-janet-mefferd-today

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    Next Week with Jeff Durbin ….. Guest Dr. James White ………
    comedy ensues ………

    Next Week: Episode 2: Donald Trump’s Myspace
    youtube;com/watch?v=eEVcGanKxug&t=2s

    replace the ; with a .

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    Justin Peters addresses interfaith dialog
    youtube;com/watch?v=-jI8yNgnskM

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  • Amos Moses – He>i

    Is Brannon Howse a Dupe For Judaizers and Catholics?
    BY JOE LANZA · PUBLISHED AUGUST 5, 2017 · UPDATED AUGUST 6, 2017

    Does the name Rabbi Yoel Keren mean anything to you? No? How about Robert Spencer? Now that might ring a bell. Rabbi Keren is a researcher at Machon Shilo. “Machon Shilo is a centre of Jewish learning in Jerusalem dedicated to the exposition and dissemination of Torath Eress Yisrael, the Judaism of the Land of Israel, headed by Rabbi David Bar-Hayim. Rabbi Bar-Hayim defines his vision as “laying the groundwork for a restatement and reconstitution of Jewish thought and practice, based on the Written Law and the Oral Tradition (Tora ShebiKhtav and Tora SheBa’al Pe), in order to facilitate the realization of the Jewish nation’s divinely mandated purpose and duty to establish “a nation of priests, a holy people” [quoted from machonshilo;org]. Rabbi Keren is an apostate. More precisely, he was a part of a Pentecostal Holiness church, which apparently led him down a path to a Messianic Congregation. According to his blog, Yoel is now a full blown Jewish man by religious rite.

    With who does Brannon Howse have IFD and spiritual enterprise …………..

  • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    Just a reminder of who James White is, and other bad discernment he’s shown in the past:

    christiannewsDOTnet/2016/07/08/apologist-defends-group-at-center-of-tattoo-beer-church-plant-fundraisers-amid-growing-concerns/