Churches Should ‘Embrace Gay Marriage,’ Says U.K. Equalities Minister

(Christian Insitute) People want churches to “keep up with modern attitudes” and carry out same-sex “weddings,” Justine Greening has claimed.

The U.K. Education Secretary and equalities minister said she did not want to “prescribe” how faith groups deal with the issue, but that “it is important that the church in a way keeps up and is part of a modern country.”

But commentator Melanie McDonagh challenged the comments, saying they were evidence of the “authoritarian aspect of modern liberalism.”

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  • Amos Moses – He>i

    “People want churches to “keep up with modern attitudes””

    the church is not here to cater to the worlds whims ……..

    • BuckeyePhysicist

      That’s exactly right! The world wants divorce, abortion, polygamy, same-sex marriage, bigamy, adultery, euthanasia, and contraception — but the Church says NO and for good reason. These things I mentioned are not of God.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        AMEN ………

    • Lydia Church

      Amen brother!

    • Reason2012

      Correct. The church is also not here to cater to those who want to bring in islamic imams to teach Christians their antii-Christ doctrines either.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        yeah … different article …. nothing here to comment on ….. accept that you could only provide out of context scripture to make an erroneous point ….. your eisegesis and proof texting led you into error …………. just as i said it does ………

        • Reason2012

          You mention what the church is not here to do. Included in that list is to not let in anti-Christ teachers to teach their anti-Christ doctrines to the Christians in that church.

          It’s error that we’re not not let false teachers with anti-Christ doctrines to teach Christian congregations?
          It’s error that we’re not to beware false doctrines?
          It’s error that we’re not to even invite into our homes those who bring anti-Christ teachings?

          Please cite any verse that says we’re to allow anti-Christ teachers to teach Christian congregations their anti-Christ doctrines. When you cannot I’ll show you the verses that day we’re not to do such things. Seems you might be reading a different Bible that everyone else.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            dude … there was no church ….. the church is not the building …… and again you are running into error ……. due to proof texting and out of context reading ….. the false teachers are those who CLAIM to be christians and are not and do lie …. NO ONE would confuse a muslim with a FALSE CHRISTIAN teacher ….. do you want the names of a number of those FALSE TEACHERS ….. you know … like JOEL OSTEEN …. like KENNETH COPELAND ….. like RICK WARREN ….. like STEVEN FURTICK … like BENNY HINN ……. like pretty much EVERY MEGACHURCH pastor …… and what they ALL HAVE IN COMMON …… is they PROOF TEXT and QUOTE OUT OF CONTEXT and MISHANDLE THE SCRIPTURES and they all PREACH HERESY ……

          • Reason2012

            Way to deflect.

            Church building has nothing to do with the request.

            It’s error that we’re not not let false teachers with anti-Christ doctrines to teach Christian congregations (whether they’re in a church building or not)?
            It’s error that we’re not to beware false doctrines (whether they’re in a church building or not)?
            It’s error that we’re not to even invite into our homes those who bring anti-Christ teachings (whether they’re in a church building or not)?

            Please cite any verse that says we’re to allow anti-Christ teachers to teach Christian congregations their anti-Christ doctrines (whether they’re in a church building or not). When you cannot, I’ll show you the verses that day we’re not to do such things to gatherings of Christians, where there’s no mention of a church building. Seems you might be reading a different Bible that everyone else.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            see ….. where is your scripture ………..

          • Reason2012

            So you admit you have NO Scripture to back up your claims?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no … YOU have no scripture in CONTEXT for your claims ………. when you PRESENT ANY i will happily refute your assertions ……. with SCRIPTURE …. IN CONTEXT ……….. false teachers are those who CLAIM to be christians but WHO ARE NOT ………..

            Matthew
            24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
            24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< FALSE TEACHERS
            24:6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
            24:7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
            24:8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.

            nobody at that meeting as a muslim came forth proclaiming Christ ….. false teachers are those in the body of believers ….. muslims are not in the body of Christ (the church) ………

          • Reason2012

            false teachers are those in the body of believers …..

            So you claim the Word of God says

            those who deny Christ are not false teachers, since you are claiming false teachers only applies to those who are saved, those who are “in the body of believers”

            Wow.

            But not only that, since those who deny Christ are not false teachers, you also claim the Word of God says

            Those who deny Christ can/should be invited to speak before a body of born again believers in God, teaching them their anti-Christ, anti-God religions

            Both are completely false.

            But using your doctrines, instead of God’s Word, the Pharisees, are not false teachers, because they deny Christ.

            Using your doctrines, instead of God’s Word, the body of born again believers in God should have let the Jewish people who denied Christ and tried to deceive them to continuing to follow to Law teach them as well.

            Using your doctrines, instead of God’s Word, they should have invited Pharisees to teach their anti-God doctrines to the believers in God/Christ.

            Then you change God’s Word, adding your own words to it:

            24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< FALSE TEACHERS

            Notice how you ADDED to God’s Word, trying to claim God’s saying these are the ONLY people that are false teachers.

            Forget your claims of “context”, you’re now not only violating context, you’re in effect adding to God’s Word things that are not there!

            God’s Word does not say that the definition of a false teach are ONLY those who claim “they are Christ”.

            Not only that, those who claim “they are Christ” are really unsaved people in the end times (context) who are claiming to BE Christ.

            It’s one thing if you wish to personally believe this, but you need to think again before promoting the heretical doctrines to everyone else that the body of born again believers in God are to invite anti-Christ teachers to teach their anti-Christ doctrines of deception to all born again believers in God. This would including inviting Pharisees, Islamists, those who worship false gods and more.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “those who deny Christ are not false teachers, since you are claiming false teachers only applies to those who are saved, those who are “in the body of believers””
            “Then you change God’s Word, adding your own words to it:
            24:5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< FALSE TEACHERS
            Notice how you ADDED to God's Word, trying to claim God's saying these are the ONLY people that are false teachers."

            i pointed to where it was in the passage ….. IN CONTEXT ….. those CLAIMING Christ but then teaching differently then Christ ….. ARE FALSE TEACHERS ….. DUH ……. nothing added …. POINTED OUT ……… would you like further scriptures ……

            TITUS
            1:7 For a bishop must be blameless, as the steward of God; not selfwilled, not soon angry, not given to wine, no striker, not given to filthy lucre;
            1:8 But a lover of hospitality, a lover of good men, sober, just, holy, temperate;
            1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

            1:10 For there are many unruly and vain talkers and deceivers, specially they of the circumcision: <<<< these are the false teacher in this passage

            1:11 Whose mouths must be stopped, who subvert whole houses, teaching things which they ought not, for filthy lucre's sake. <<<< this is what should be done to them

            1:12 One of themselves, even a prophet of their own, said, The Cretians are alway liars, evil beasts, slow bellies.

            Jude
            1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort you that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
            1:4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ. <<<<< these are the FALSE TEACHERS
            1:5 I will therefore put you in remembrance, though ye once knew this, how that the Lord, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed them that believed not.
            1:6 And the angels which kept not their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.

            it is not "adding to scripture" to POINT OUT what scripture is SAYING …. that is called EXEGESIS ………….

          • Reason2012

            Avoidance as usual, Amos.
            Still waiting for you to show where in Scripture it says.

            those who deny Christ are not false teachers, since you are claiming false teachers only applies to those who are saved, those who are “in the body of believers”

            Still waiting for you to show where in Scripture it says:

            Those who deny Christ can/should be invited to speak before a body of born again believers in God, teaching them their anti-Christ, anti-God religions

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i have given you TWO …. out of the mouth of two or three witnesses is the truth established …… did you need more ……… we can go to Timothy ……….

            “those who deny Christ are not false teachers”

            Nope ….. those who deny Christ are unregenerated ….. and we do not recognize them as teachers of THE WORD …. and what we are talking about ….. IN CONTEXT …. is THE WORD ….. THE SCRIPTURES …..

          • Reason2012

            Yet God rebukes your lie, Amos.

            “And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,”
            Mark 12:38

            God says to beware the doctrines of Pharisees, who according to you are NOT false teachers.

            So even if you want to pretend it was ok for them to invite Pharisees to teach the body of born again believers in God just because according to your false claim “they are not false teachers”, God still warns against them / against their doctrines. Yet here you are denying God and instead saying we should INVITE Pharisees, and hence any other anti-Christ teachers, to teach their doctrines to the body of born again believes in God, because after all, “they’re not false teachers”.

            Context, Amos, context.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so more proof text OUT OF CONTEXT ………. hint …. the scribes and the pharisees …. ARE NOT IN THE CHURCH …… again …. DUH …… and now you want to play the Pharisee card ….. the pharisees were castigated for not being legal ENOUGH …… and it nowhere there says “anything about them being false” ….. it is calling them HYPOCRITES ………

            12:38 And he said unto them in his doctrine, Beware of the scribes, which love to go in long clothing, and love salutations in the marketplaces,
            12:39 And the chief seats in the synagogues, and the uppermost rooms at feasts:
            12:40 Which devour widows’ houses, and for a pretence make long prayers: these shall receive greater damnation.

          • Reason2012

            and it nowhere there says “anything about them being false”

            The entire passages you ignore are about them teaching lies for the truths of God, teaching false things for the truth of God.

            Context, Amos. You’ll have to convince God that what the Pharisees, Scribes, Catholics, islamists, those who follow baal, are not false, are not teaching false things, are not false teachers of God’s supposed truth.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope …. he continually uses the word HYPOCRITES ….. “Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!” …………

            Matthew
            23:19 Ye fools and blind: for whether is greater, the gift, or the altar that sanctifieth the gift?
            23:20 Whoso therefore shall swear by the altar, sweareth by it, and by all things thereon.
            23:21 And whoso shall swear by the temple, sweareth by it, and by him that dwelleth therein.
            23:22 And he that shall swear by heaven, sweareth by the throne of God, and by him that sitteth thereon.
            23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone.
            23:24 Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel.
            23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess.
            23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
            23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men’s bones, and of all uncleanness.
            23:28 Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
            23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
            23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
            23:31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
            23:32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
            23:33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
            23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
            23:35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
            23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
            23:37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chicken under her wings, and ye would not!
            23:38 Behold, your house is left unto you desolate.
            23:39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord.

          • Reason2012

            Jesus warned even His apostles about those false teachers and their false doctrines who were NOT of “the body of Christ”, which contradicts your false claim God only warns us about false teachers from those who are of the body of Christ.

            It’s sad you try to teach Pharisees, islamists, catholics, those who follow baal are NOT false teachers, because “they are not of the body of Christ”.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Christ warned about false teachers in the church only ….. those outside of the church are not of concern except to be evangelized ……….. those who

            “For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.”

            those outside the church, the body of believers are well known by their teaching … it is obvious they are false ….. Christ was warning about deception in the church ……….. and there is much deception …….. many false teachers …..

          • Reason2012

            Christ warned about false teachers in the church only ….. those outside of the church are not of concern except to be evangelized

            You continue to refute your own false claims.

            Earlier you claim we’re to invite “those outside the church” in to teach the body of born again believers in God their anti-Christ doctrines.

            Here you say the only concern is to “evangelize” them.

            You continue to contradict yourself and are just saying whatever you can to obfuscate what’s currently being refuted, not noticing that you continue to contradict yourself.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Earlier you claim we’re to invite “those outside the church””

            no …. not what i wrote …. what you misunderstood …. but …. if such a thing did happen …. and it caused people to leave because of what they heard from this person and it changed them …. they never were saved and christians to begin with in the first place ………. no contradiction …. if so show me where i wrote it ……..

          • Reason2012

            You defended a Christian James White inviting an islamic imam to teach His anti-Christ doctrines to a group of born again believers in God.

            You tried to justify it by claiming that’s how you witness to muslims.

            Now you’re going to claim you never said that? It’s why you got hostile to me to begin with and started falsely denying scripture that we are to beware false doctrines and avoid false teachers when I rebuked your claim.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i defended the scriptures from the error that was being foisted upon the Body of Christ as some proof he did anything wrong … and he did not ……. and the error was from people doing proof texting and taking scripture out of context ….. AND taking Dr. Whites words out of context ………. as they still are …….

            so when a muslim comes to you with scriptural evidence that God in the form of the Trinity, came to Mary and they had a physical relationship, ALL THREE OF THEM …… like it was some sort of Godly gang rape ….. and that somehow Christ partook in His own incarnation by getting Mary pregnant (Luke 1) ….. HOW do you respond to that ……. what is your answer to the muslim and how do you use scripture to refute that …………. because that is some of the thoughts they entertain ………

          • Reason2012

            those CLAIMING Christ but then teaching differently then Christ

            They’re not claiming Christ, Amos. They’re claiming to BE Christ – and those who reject Christ and are still looking for the Messiah will be deceived by them. Context, Amos.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            they maybe both ….. but the passage says “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ” … many shall come in my name …. so they recognize Christ …. they are not saying they are Christ …….. but it could …….. and that makes them false teachers in the body of believers ……. church is the group of believers ….. not the building they just happen to get together in ….. and if the building burns to the ground …. guess what …. THEY ARE STILL A CHURCH ……. and the church will meet else where ….

          • Reason2012

            No, that verse says they are claiming to BE Christ. Stop trying to change God’s Word to say something it’s not.

          • Trilemma

            Very, very few false teachers have claimed to be Christ. Very, very many false teachers have claimed Jesus is Christ. Jesus was warning about the latter because they are harder to detect. When Jesus said, “saying I am Christ,” the “I” was referring to himself. He was not quoting something the false teacher would say.

          • Reason2012

            It doesn’t matter how many. The fact is false teachers are also those who are not saved, the point Amos tries to deceive ab out and claim only false teachers are those who are saved.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no … i quoted the passage …. that is what you want to read … not what was written …….. it says “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ” …… there are no quotation marks there around “I am Christ” to say the person is claiming to be Christ ….. they are claiming to be christians …… read what it says … not what you want it to say ……

          • Reason2012

            There are no quotation marks there around “I am Christ” to say the person is claiming to be Christ ….. they are claiming to be christians

            More deception, whoever told you this.

            (1) There are no quotation marks around what ANYONE is quoted as saying in the KJV Bible that you quoted, so claiming “there are no quotation marks, hence that’s not what the person actually said” is utterly false, if not just deception.

            (2) It’s done thousands of times that exact way to cite what someone literally said. Look two verses back:

            “And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?”
            Matthew 24:3

            When the Bible writes “saying, …” with comma after word ‘saying’, that’s the most common way of how they start quoting what the person said,.

            Using your logic, the disciples never ‘said’ “Tell us, when shall these things be?”

            “For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.”
            Matthew 24:5

            So Jesus is making it quite clear that Jesus is quoting what people will say: “I am Christ”.

            Even the commentators, including the highest renowned from the past, point this basic fact out.

            And go look at the verse in all the Bibles that do use quotes – even THEY put it in quotes.

            You’re way off base, Amos. Is it intentional? I’m finding it hard to believe you actually believe what you just posted. You quoted the KJV which obviously does not use quotation marks when it cites what people said, but then claim “He never said it because there was no quotation marks around it”. Well then no one said anything in the KJV bible, since quotes are never used.

            Perhaps you’re just trolling now out of anger for being challenged on your support of an islamic imam being invited to teach a body of born again believers in God his anti-Christ claims. That would make more sense than you actually believing what you just posted.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Perhaps you’re just trolling now out of anger for being challenged on your support of an islamic imam being invited to teach a body of born again believers in God his anti-Christ claims. ‘

            so now making false charges ……. where did i support any muslim ….. anywhere …….. you are lying …. or at a minimum just making things up ……….

            and i did not deny that many will come saying they are the messiah …. but there are many in the church, the body of Christ, and are saying that Christ is Christ, and then teach far worse things about Christ that are blasphemy …….. and while what any number of commentators say is not wrong ….. it is not exclusive …….. and you still are taking scripture out of context, proof texting and you are in error ………..

          • Reason2012

            and i did not deny that many will come saying they are the messiah

            Way to change the subject.

            You said something about God’s Word, not talking about any personal denial from you about people coming and saying they are the messiah.

            Here’s your false claim about God’s Word:

            There are no quotation marks there around “I am Christ” to say the person is claiming to be Christ ….. they are claiming to be christians

            You’ve been shown to be wrong on that account. End of story.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            the word Christ means messiah …. sorry Christ was not His last name and He was not born to Joseph and Mary Christ ….. Christ is a TITLE ….. and sure …. many have and DO try to claim that title …. i did not deny that …. but it also is a warning about wolves among the sheep who creep in unawares to the Body of Christ and they pretend to be christians and they bring in damnable heresies ……… they say Christ and LORD, LORD … and Christ will say I never knew you ….

          • Reason2012

            where did i support any muslim

            You defending a muslim imam teaching his anti-Christ doctrines to a group of born again believers in God. Now you lie and pretend you didn’t do so.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no … SHOW ME WHERE …………….. i said it was NOT a church …. it was not against scripture ….. and that your charge has NO BASIS in scripture IN CONTEXT … and it does not …… i defended NOTHING he said NOR did JW ……. and now you are even MORE of a LIAR than you were before ………….. i do not have to pretend WHAT DID NOT HAPPEN ….. and the only way YOU can get to where you are, making such false charges ….. is OUT OF CONTEXT scripture and PROOF TEXTING ……… and you are in ERROR …………..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ” to a group of born again believers in God”

            you have no scripture to show where it says a “body of believers” (this is not a church BTW) cannot listen to those who hold an opposing view ….. FYI, we do it every day right here …….. so are you guilty ………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            One reason is that so many passages of Scripture are taken out
            of context and twisted to create bad theology and even false religions
            and cults. Many people are involved in what is called eisegesis, when we
            should all be doing exegesis. In eisegesis, you impose your own opinion
            or your own thoughts onto a passage of Scripture whereas in exegesis,
            you study to draw out the actual meaning of a scripture. Unfortunately,
            eisegesis is widely practiced today, largely due to our postmodern
            culture.
            ~Brannon Howse

            Why has he abandoned this ……….

  • billinghamboy

    As a lesbian this lady is simply pushing an adgenda from which she should not be involved as one who represents a wider constituency.

  • Lydia Church

    NO, they should NOT. Homosexuality is a sin. We need to keep up with God’s Word, not the ‘modern world’ that is looking more like Sodom and Gomorrah by the minute. God’s truth does not change. Not only that, but we need to come out of the world and be separate. If the church kept up with the trends of the modern world, it would soon find itself in hell with it also. For those not familiar with God’s Word, the verses are in 1 Corinthians 6; 9-11 and Romans 1; 26-27 as well as Deuteronomy 18 and 20. That ends the argument. It’s not up for discussion.

    • This style 10/6

      Great! So long as you keep your church out of the world’s affairs we will get along fine.

      • Oboehner

        Then gays should stay out as well.

        • This style 10/6

          So long as they don’t suffer discrimination I imagine they will.

          • Oboehner

            No disclaimers, out is out.

        • zampogna

          Why? Let me guess, homosexuality is a “religion” now too according to you?

          • Oboehner

            Well now captain obtuse, it is a group trying to further their agenda, you know like in the above story.

          • zampogna

            They only agenda they are living by is the one where bigoted religious supremacists leave them alone. Guessing that isn’t an option for you.

  • Reason2012

    Adults continue to permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”, proving it’s not genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.

    Homosexual behavior is most literally pointed out as a sin, and God has not changed on that regard. But if a person has those inclinations but does not act upon them, does not dwell in lust upon others, but is instead struggling against them to avoid them, then it’s not a sin. It’s just like sinful inclinations of any kind: it’s acting upon it when it becomes a sin.

    And this is what God says about sin and specifically the behavior of homosexuality:

    Romans 1:26-27 ”For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their_lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ”Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [men who willingly take on the part of a “woman” with another man], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [s odomites], (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

    1 Timothy 1:9-10 ”Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For_whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind [s odomites], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”

    Jude 1:7 ”Even as_Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

    Luke 17:29 ”[Jesus said] But the same day that Lot went out of_Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”

    Matthew 19:4-6 ”And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

    Jesus made it quite clear God made us male and female so that a man will leave his father and mother (not two fathers, not three mothers and so on) and cleave onto his wife (not his husband and so on).

    The Word of God rebukes us all – even if we all try to say we don’t believe the Bible, the very Word of God will be our judge when we face Him. And God is a righteous judge and will judge us all – not turn a blind eye to our sin. Do not be deceived by the world: it’s God we will have to convince that His word was a lie, not men. What happened in Noah’s day when the entire world rejected God? Did God spare them because there were so many? No – they all perished except for Noah and his family!

    Proverbs 9:10 ”The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.”

    God spared not His chosen people – we are kidding ourselves if we think He will spare the United States of America if we choose to blatantly turn away from Him.

    Jeremiah 12:17 ”But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.”

    Luke 17:28-30 “So also as it was in the days of Lot: they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; (29) but the day Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from the heaven and destroyed them all. (30) Even so it shall be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.”

    Romans 1:18-32 “For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold [suppress] the truth in unrighteousness; Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, m urder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.”

    The entire Bible points out men having_sex with men is an abomination. Likewise woman having_sex with women. It’s not just Paul that pointed it out.

    Genesis 19:4-13 “But before they lay down, the men of the city, even the men of S odom, compassed the house round, both old and young, all the people from every quarter: And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them [men wanting to have_sex with men].

    And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him, And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing [he offers his daughters to be_raped to keep them from having_sex with another man – shows_rape is not the issue but male on male_sex]; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof.

    And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door. But the men put forth their hand, and pulled Lot into the house to them, and shut to the door. And they smote the men that were at the door of the house with blindness, both small and great: so that they wearied themselves to find the door.

    And the men said unto Lot, Hast thou here any besides? son in law, and thy sons, and thy daughters, and whatsoever thou hast in the city, bring them out of this place: For we will destroy this place, because the cry of them is waxen great before the face of the LORD; and the LORD hath sent us to destroy it.”

    These two messengers were sent to destroy that place before the event where they tried to_rape these messengers.

    Leviticus 18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”

    Leviticus 20:13 “If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination …”

    Even cross-dressing is an abomination:

    Deuteronomy 22:5 “The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.”

    Deuteronomy 23:17 “There shall be no_whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a s odomite of the sons of Israel.”

    1 Kings 22:46 “And the remnant of the s odomites, which remained in the days of his father Asa, he took out of the land.”

    1 Kings 15:11-12 “And Asa did that which was right in the eyes of the LORD, as did David his father. And he took away the s odomites out of the land, and removed all the idols that his fathers had made.”

    2 Kings 23:7 “And he brake down the houses of the s odomites, that were by the house of the LORD, where the women wove hangings for the grove.”

    Ezekiel 16:49-50 “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister S odom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.”

    And the “pride” parades about homosexuality are more of the same.

    Even Jesus points out marriage is a man and a woman.

    Matthew 19:4-5 “And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?”

    Not father and father. Not mother and mother. Not his husband.

    And only two people of opposite gender can become “one flesh”.

    Live forever, people – not temporarily only to be cast out for living for the things of this world.

    May God/Jesus Christ be glorified!

    • This style 10/6

      Anyone who wants to live by these precepts is free to do so. What you are not free to do is to impose them on society as a whole. I, for instance although I have been in a mixed sex marriage for decades, have no problem with same sex marriage. It has not affected me or my wife in any way. I don’t care for adultery but I don’t label it a sin. I think contraception is the best thing that ever came down the pike.

      I don’t accept the concept of sin or believe that the bible has anything to say to me and millions of others feel the same. We want a secular society where folk are free to practice their religion or not. Religion is for the home, church, mosque, synagogue, temple, whatever. Keep it there.

      • Reason2012

        Anyone who wants to live by these precepts is free to do so. What you are not free to do is to impose them on society as a whole. I, for instance although I have been in a mixed sex marriage for decades, have no problem with same sex marriage. It has not affected me or my wife in any way.

        Actually it does affect others and their kids in a HUGE way: Because of same-gender marriage, now all kids and grandkids in all public schools as young as kindergarten are subject to homosexual indoctrination: images and ideas planted in their minds by activists about homosexuality. Parents are not told and the ones that find out and complain are told “shut up – it’s legal now”.

        So much for the deception by the activists who claim “they just want to be left alone”.

        It seems it’s them that are out to “impose on society as a whole” THEIR beliefs, while activists pretend it’s Christians that need to be stopped from “imposing their beliefs on society”.

        Not to mention it’s a violation of the Constitution to pass laws to redefine what no government defined, but what God did, in this case marriage.

        We want a secular society where folk are free to practice their religion or not.

        Censoring Christianity at every turn while allowing islam to be taught in public schools (google it) is not “freedom to practice their religion”. It just shows how the push the dishonesty of freedom of religion while censoring Christianity and promoting islam.

        Religion is for the home, church, mosque, synagogue, temple, whatever. Keep it there.

        Please show your posts denouncing the public schools that are indoctrinating kids with islam. Seems the LGBT activist and ‘atheist’ activists are really pro-islam activists who defend islam and seem only interested in censoring Christianity.

        • This style 10/6

          I am glad to hear that kids in American schools are now being told the truth about homosexuality. Perhaps they will grow up accepting LGBTQ people as regular members of society, entitled to the same civil rights and privileges as any one else.

          If Christianity is being so repressed how is it that pretty well all elected officials are Christian in the US?

          I don’t know what public schools in the US do but I doubt that they are indoctrinating the kids with Islam. I don’t care for Islam as it tends to be repressive to women, gays and has such horrors as a death sentence for apostasy.

          • Reason2012

            I don’t know what public schools in the US do but I doubt that they are indoctrinating the kids with Islam.

            Thank you for proving my point. You pretend to be an LGBT activists, yet you pretend it’s just fine to teach kids about islam / shariah law in schools as if that’s not “indoctrinating”, this while in the name of islam / sharia law, LGBT are being slaughtered daily, being dropped off of buildings in 13 countries run by islam, which shows you’re not really an LGBT activist, but a pro-islam, anti-Christian activist pretending to being an LGBT activist, just using them to help in your attack on Christianity.

          • This style 10/6

            Please note the last sentence in my post.

          • Oboehner

            The children in America are being taught homosexuality is a mental disorder now?

          • This style 10/6

            I don’t know. I live in a jurisdiction where kids are taught that it is an innate condition of human sexuality, that there is nothing wrong about it.

          • Oboehner

            Then why is zoophilia illegal? Can’t some guy love his pig and vise versa?

          • This style 10/6

            What does that have to do with homosexuality?

          • Oboehner

            You stated: “it is an innate condition of human sexuality, that there is nothing wrong about it.” You did not limit it to one specific perversion. So to answer the question “What does that have to do with homosexuality?” – it is a blatant hypocrisy and an indication of underhanded weaseling of the subject.

            Now you answer the questions: Then why is zoophilia illegal? Can’t some guy love his pig and vise versa?

          • This style 10/6

            Homosexualitty is not a perversion but a normal part of human sexuality.

            The answer is that a pig cannot give consent and informed consent is vital in sexual relaions. You should have been able to work this out yourself.

          • Oboehner

            A perversion of normal human sexuality, painfully obvious watching them take male and female roles in their twisted relationships.

            Your “informed consent” BS doesn’t hold a drop of water, go eat a pulled pork sandwich and think about it, then you can answer the questions: Then why is zoophilia illegal? Can’t some guy love his pig and vise versa?

          • This style 10/6

            If you can’t understand the meaning of “informed consent” I can’t help you.

          • Oboehner

            Start with the cheeseburger I’m eating.

          • This style 10/6

            Vegetarians can point out that animals can’t give consent to be slaughtered. However, kt seems to me that this is irrelevant to this discussion, which is consent to sex. Simply put, no consent no sex.

          • Oboehner

            Not irrelevant, try again. Which would you prefer, sex or death followed by being eaten?

          • BuckeyePhysicist

            The Hebrew Roots movement will say no — but only because pork isn’t kosher.

          • Oboehner

            Only if eaten.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      seriously dude ….. you need to stop proof-texting ….. you need to learn to use scripture in context ….. not just honey dip a phrase or two to try to prove a point ………… again … i like what you are saying ….. but you need to get on the path of growth in the scriptures ………. sorry brother ……..

      • Reason2012

        Hello Amos. Feel free to back up your claim, rather than just making the claim and running away, or repeating the accusation non-stop without ever being able to prove your claim. That behavior is disingenuous.

        Attacking the truth of God does not make you the brother of those who adhere to it and point it out. This right along with your false teaching of claiming we should allow islamist imams to teach their deceptions to groups of Christians.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          quoting scripture out of context is not proper exegesis …. it is a mishandling of Gods word ….. it does violence to the text and to the scriptures and while it may make a temporary point it leads you into serious error ………… i am not attacking Gods word …. i am attacking your poor use of it and you are not rightly dividing the word of God as we are to do ….. it often leads to making claims about God and Christ that they never intended and never, IN CONTEXT, said ………. and that borders on blasphemy ……………

          • Reason2012

            So again you can never show how it’s supposedly “out of context”. That’s disingenuous, Amos. I leave you to repeat your false accusation that I call you out on and you cannot in any way back it up.

            Funny how it never stopped you from never saying a word about that same post before that I’ve been posting it for years. Seems you took offense to me rebuking your defense of an imam teaching his false anti-Christ teachings to a group of Christians.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            the FACT that you only quote ONE VERSE or maybe two ….. is proof it is out of context ….. you provide NO CONTEXT ….. and that you DO NOT UNDERSTAND that is part of the problem ………………

          • Reason2012

            You’re wrong, Amos, that you need multiple verses for every single verse you could ever cite from the Bible.. Many verses do not need more than the verse itself.

            For example, if the discussion was how to be saved, someone would cite,

            “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”
            John 14:6

            Showing how Jesus points out He is the only way to God.

            For you to come along and lay accusations of “you only quote ONE VERSE or maybe two ….. is proof it is out of context ….. you provide NO CONTEXT ….. and that you DO NOT UNDERSTAND that is part of the problem ………………”

            You would be just as wrong, showing that

            – you do not understand when context is not needed as it is self evident
            – you are implying, in this case, that Jesus is the only way to God “only in some contexts”, as if there are other ways to God besides Jesus, which of course would be blasphemy.

            The one verse in this example speaks for itself very clearly, which exposes as completely false your claim of “quoting one verse is proof (a verse) is out of context”.

            And given the conversation about homosexuality and cross-dressing and marriage, the verses I’ve cited speak quite clearly as well.

            Feel free to prove even one case where it’s not, instead of just repeating the accusation, and never being able to back up a word of your accusations.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            SIR …. when you only quote two verses … as in

            Ezekiel 16:49-50 “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister S odom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.”

            that gives NO CONTEXT of what is being said and to whom it is being said to and WHY ……… that is OUT OF CONTEXT ….. i do not care how many COMPANION verses you quote ….. it is a MISUSE of the text …… it is proof texting ….. it is DEVOID of CONTEXT ….. it is worthless to gain any true knowledge of scripture ………

          • Reason2012

            Ok now you’re finally trying to give an example.

            But please note your claim of

            you only quote ONE VERSE or maybe two ….. is proof it is out of context …..

            Is not the case 100% of the time, as I showed which you ignored, which exposes this claim of yours as false – often a verse means what it says, and doesn’t need “context” to figure out what it means.

            The only time context is important is when a verse could mean more than one thing, and now you need to look at the context, and compare scripture with scripture to determine what it means in that verse.

            So now that we’ve established your claim of “only quote one verse or maybe two is proof it is out of context” is false., let’s look at your attempt to specifically show anything I cited was out of context.

            And by the way, what does “out of context” mean, to make sure we’re on the same page?

            It means someone claiming that what a verse means is different from what the verse actually means, and you figure it out by checking the context.

            So, about Ezekiel 16:49-50: The topic is that homosexual behavior is a sin – an abomination. That’s the topic that I’m citing verses to back up. So I cited verses to back this up, which includes Ezekiel 16:49-50.

            It shows that part of the sin of_Sodom was that they committed abomination before God, which as we know from the other verses I ALSO showed about sodom, was homosexual behavior. This is the reason the angels were sent to destroy the place, and I cited verses to give that context as well.

            So this was quoted IN CONTEXT of showing that homosexual behavior is “an abomination before God’, and that verse backs up that homosexual behavior is an “abomination before God”.

            If you want to claim that verse is NOT saying homosexual behavior is an abomination, as if it’s instead saying homosexual behavior the entire city was caught up in was not the problem, then please cite the verses that give CONTEXT to prove YOUR point. I cited many verses that pointed out specifically what was going on in Sodom (homosexual behavior) that angels were sent there to destroy it. Ezekiel just summarizes the other verses I cited – in effect giving the CONTEXT by the way you pretend was not given, comparing Scripture with Scripture.

            So looking forward to you backing up your claiming, instead of accusing “out of context” as if the verse says something else, when it’s clear the verse is saying exactly what I said it is, and I even gave context for homosexual behavior in_sodom that was so bad that people from all over the city would even try to perform_homosexual rape of visitors.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Proof texting | Theopedia

            Proof texting is the method by which a person appeals to a biblical text to prove or justify a theological position without regard for the context of the passage they …

            this is what you are doing …. you need to stop ………..

          • Oboehner

            Sorry, but I’m not seeing it either. Perhaps a specific example is needed.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            when you only quote two verses … as in

            Ezekiel 16:49-50 “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister S odom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.”

            that gives NO CONTEXT of what is being said and to whom it is being said to and WHY ……… that is OUT OF CONTEXT ….. i do not care how many companion verses you quote ….. it is a MISUSE of the text …… it is proof texting ….. it is DEVOID of CONTEXT ….. it is worthless to gain any true knowledge of scripture ………

          • Oboehner

            I believe “committed abomination before me” in conjunction with the Deuteronomy passage posted, makes the context quite clear especially given the word S odom and it’s derived meaning.
            You’re not going pro-homo on us are you?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no … it does not ….. Ezekiel was addressing certain things and certain people …. and for a certain reasons ….. and when you strip that away you do damage to Gods word … and it is violence to the text ….. and it is a mishandling and not rightly dividing Gods word …… it is not exegesis … it is eisegesis and not proper hermetical reading of the text ….. it leads to grievous error ………….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            a good reading of that passage would be to START at :35 AND THEN continue to the end …. much more is going on and what Ezekiel is addressing is how FAR FAR lower the Israelites have fallen than Sodom (16:47 thou wast corrupted more than they in all thy ways) also (16:51 Neither hath Samaria committed half of thy sins) …. and when you isolate a passage like that ….. that is violence to the text …. pro-homo …. HARDLY ….. show reverence and care for the handling of the text ….. ALWAYS …………

            16:35 Wherefore, O harlot, hear the word of the LORD:
            16:36 Thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thy filthiness was poured out, and thy nakedness discovered through thy whoredoms with thy lovers, and with all the idols of thy abominations, and by the blood of thy children, which thou didst give unto them;
            16:37 Behold, therefore I will gather all thy lovers, with whom thou hast taken pleasure, and all them that thou hast loved, with all them that thou hast hated; I will even gather them round about against thee, and will discover thy nakedness unto them, that they may see all thy nakedness.
            16:38 And I will judge thee, as women that break wedlock and shed blood are judged; and I will give thee blood in fury and jealousy.
            16:39 And I will also give thee into their hand, and they shall throw down thine eminent place, and shall break down thy high places: they shall strip thee also of thy clothes, and shall take thy fair jewels, and leave thee naked and bare.
            16:40 They shall also bring up a company against thee, and they shall stone thee with stones, and thrust thee through with their swords.
            16:41 And they shall burn thine houses with fire, and execute judgments upon thee in the sight of many women: and I will cause thee to cease from playing the harlot, and thou also shalt give no hire any more.
            16:42 So will I make my fury toward thee to rest, and my jealousy shall depart from thee, and I will be quiet, and will be no more angry.
            16:43 Because thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, but hast fretted me in all these things; behold, therefore I also will recompense thy way upon thine head, saith the Lord GOD: and thou shalt not commit this lewdness above all thine abominations.
            16:44 Behold, every one that useth proverbs shall use this proverb against thee, saying, As is the mother, so is her daughter.
            16:45 Thou art thy mother’s daughter, that lotheth her husband and her children; and thou art the sister of thy sisters, which lothed their husbands and their children: your mother was an Hittite, and your father an Amorite.
            16:46 And thine elder sister is Samaria, she and her daughters that dwell at thy left hand: and thy younger sister, that dwelleth at thy right hand, is Sodom and her daughters.
            16:47 Yet hast thou not walked after their ways, nor done after their abominations: but, as if that were a very little thing, thou wast corrupted more than they in all thy ways.
            16:48 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, Sodom thy sister hath not done, she nor her daughters, as thou hast done, thou and thy daughters.
            16:49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.
            16:50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.
            16:51 Neither hath Samaria committed half of thy sins; but thou hast multiplied thine abominations more than they, and hast justified thy sisters in all thine abominations which thou hast done.
            16:52 Thou also, which hast judged thy sisters, bear thine own shame for thy sins that thou hast committed more abominable than they: they are more righteous than thou: yea, be thou confounded also, and bear thy shame, in that thou hast justified thy sisters.
            16:53 When I shall bring again their captivity, the captivity of Sodom and her daughters, and the captivity of Samaria and her daughters, then will I bring again the captivity of thy captives in the midst of them:
            16:54 That thou mayest bear thine own shame, and mayest be confounded in all that thou hast done, in that thou art a comfort unto them.
            16:55 When thy sisters, Sodom and her daughters, shall return to their former estate, and Samaria and her daughters shall return to their former estate, then thou and thy daughters shall return to your former estate.
            16:56 For thy sister Sodom was not mentioned by thy mouth in the day of thy pride,
            16:57 Before thy wickedness was discovered, as at the time of thy reproach of the daughters of Syria, and all that are round about her, the daughters of the Philistines, which despise thee round about.
            16:58 Thou hast borne thy lewdness and thine abominations, saith the LORD.
            16:59 For thus saith the Lord GOD; I will even deal with thee as thou hast done, which hast despised the oath in breaking the covenant.
            16:60 Nevertheless I will remember my covenant with thee in the days of thy youth, and I will establish unto thee an everlasting covenant.
            16:61 Then thou shalt remember thy ways, and be ashamed, when thou shalt receive thy sisters, thine elder and thy younger: and I will give them unto thee for daughters, but not by thy covenant.
            16:62 And I will establish my covenant with thee; and thou shalt know that I am the LORD:
            16:63 That thou mayest remember, and be confounded, and never open thy mouth any more because of thy shame, when I am pacified toward thee for all that thou hast done, saith the Lord GOD.

          • Reason2012

            The topic I’m posting about is not how far Israel is fallen, the topic I’m posting about is showing how God points out homosexual behavior is a sin – an abomination.

            And in that regard you do not need all 32 verses – you need only point out that God is indicating how_sodom “committed abomination before me”, where I also cited the other verses specifically about_sodom that shows what this abomination they were committing was: the rampant homosexual behavior throughout all the city – that it was so bad they’d even try to have homosexual rape against visitors.

            And many verses were cited to show this context for Ezekiel 16:49-50, which is also comparing Scripture with Scripture.

            What you do not seem to understand is context also depends on the claim being made about the verse in the current discussion. The discussion is not how far Israel has fallen – the discussion is about showing how God points out how homosexual behavior is a sin – is an abomination to God – as sodom was doing, as cited in many different passages, was an abomination to God. And hence Ezekiel 16:49-50, in the middle of showing how far Israel had fallen, God yet again shows how homosexual behavior is a sin, which is all that is needed in the current discussion.

            If the topic was how far Israel is fallen, then citing more verses would be needed in that case.

            To claim that verse was “out of context” is to claim that verse does NOT claim homosexual behavior was an abomination they were committing. But I cited many verses to show that’s exactly what Ezekiel 16:49-50 was pointing out.

            If you want to claim otherwise, by all means please show the verses to back up your point.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            but the SCRIPTURE IS …. and your misuse of the text is at issue ……….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Don’t be surprised if he is. He’s going pro-Islam now because of James White.

          • Bob Johnson

            So by “IN CONTEXT” would you be saying that Paul’s letters to the various churches only apply to those first century churches in Asia Minor? Is that the context or is there some other means to determine context?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope … although they were addressed to those churches …. they were also ADDRESSINg certain problems in those churches ….. and to leave that information by the wayside is not proper exegesis … it is not properly dividing the word of God … and it does violence to the text …. it borders on blasphemy … trying to make scripture say things it NEVER INTENDED to say ….. and it is equally wrong for a true christian to do it as say a person like MATTHEW VINES …….. among others ………

            context means …. say the previous 7 or 8 verses before AND AFTER …. or the previous 2 or 3 paragraphs BEFORE AND AFTER ….. or the previous CHAPTER before and then after ….. but it depends on the passage and it should have a logical beginning and end of what is being discussed …. not “honey dipped for effect” to get the text to say what you want it to say …….

            Matthew

            27:5 And Judas cast down the pieces of silver in the temple, and departed, and went and hanged himself.

            Luke
            10:37 …….. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.

            out of context ……….

  • InTheChurch

    Psalm 119:3 They do not compromise with evil, and they walk only in his paths.
    Can a christian same sex marriage supporter please break this verse down for me.

  • https://www.facebook.com/doug.bristow3 Doug Bristow

    Those who hate God will always side with satan.