‘Hipster Pastor’ Launches Late-Night Comedy Show ‘Mocking Sin,’ ‘Making Christian Entertainment Not S*ck’

An Arizona-based group has launched a “political late-night comedy” show similar to “The Daily Show” and “The Colbert Report” that provides stand-up comedy and skits by its pastor, who had been characterized by the New York Post as a “hipster pastor.” The weekly broadcast uses satire and strong language to make a “mockery of sin” in an effort, they say, to rival secular entertainment and engage the culture with the gospel. The endeavor has generated a mixed response, with some praising the program, and others expressing concern over coarse jesting or wondering why a comedy show is necessary in already overly-entertained American Christianity.

Apologia Church, led by Jeff Durbin, in conjunction with Apologia Studios, led by Marcus Pittman, launched “Next Week With Jeff Durbin” on Aug. 1, issuing a national press release the day prior.

“Apologia Studios is passionate about making Christian entertainment not s*ck. That’s right, we just said s*ck. This is not your typical Christian show, and it’s not your typical late-night show,” it read. “Combining monologues, and sketches, this show will take apart every political news headline and moral failure that occurs in this country weekly. And trust us, it occurs weekly.”

The premiere episode, which has received 73,000 views as of press time, included a news segment that discussed the firing of Trump Communications Director Anthony Scaramucci for his crude language, “presidential drunk texting” and Trump’s ban on transgenders in the military, as well as concerns about the recent Vogue article that teaches youth how to engage in sodomy.

“[T]rust me, this one was easy to find the butt of the joke,” Durbin jested in regard to the sodomy how-to article, later adding that years ago, teens were rather taught about driving and “how not to rear-end someone.”

The show also featured a produced skit in which Durbin made light of being characterized as a “hipster” by the New York Post in a recent video report, acting out a comedy segment in which he sought to be taught “the ways of the hipster.” Durbin additionally interviewed Pittman about how “Babies Are Murdered Here” signs caught on with those who engage in ministry outside abortion facilities.

Apologia operates the End Abortion Now project in addition to the “Next Week” program. Through an online fundraiser for End Abortion Now, the group raised over $200,000 in donations, which, according to a press release, would be used in part for “sharp and cutting commentary from a Christian worldview” through a proposed “media flood campaign.”

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The second episode included news and commentary about the absurdity of the “first pregnant man,” as well as the Royal Dutch Airlines “It doesn’t matter who you click with” seatbelt post in reference to homosexuality.

In speaking about Trump’s use of Twitter, Durbin jested, “When all his enemies want to flip him the bird, he uses the very app that has a bird as its mascot giving it right back to them.” A photo was also placed on the screen showing an angry Trump with a bird/Twitter logo over his hand.

Dr. James White of Alpha and Omega Ministries was also a guest on the broadcast to discuss epistemology, atheism and the negative ramifications of eradicating God from society.

The new late-night show has generated various reactions, with some praising it for its entertainment quality and others finding some of the humor to be edgy.

“It was Christian entertainment that didn’t disappoint. Finally!” one commenter wrote.

“Love the show! Love how you are brave enough to tackle the stupidity ‘out there,'” another remarked. “It gets Christians up off the doormat, and gives them something to reply to others with, you know, so we don’t all feel alone in our thoughts.”

“I get Christian comedy etc., though I’m not quite sure this show or any like it for that matter was overly necessary [or] needful in our already overly entertained culture, which has leaked into our generally distracted American Church,” a third wrote.

“The skit about the hipster was fun, I enjoyed the humor in that. But the crude jokes in the first segment really turned me off. I don’t know why you’d resort to that if it’s a Christian show. You don’t need jokes about backsides or sexual innuendos. Disappointed. Over and out,” another stated.

ENGAGING THE WORLD 

Durbin and Pittman

In response to some of the concerns expressed following the show’s premiere, Durbin and Pittman recorded a 48-minute video explaining their position on the purpose behind the show and why they believe using mockery and strong language is biblical.

“The purpose of it from our perspective is to make sure we have regular communication with the culture, where were are actually going outside the walls of our church and filling it up with our teaching,” Durbin said. “We want the Christian worldview represented so we can come into collision with the culture and bring the gospel to it.”

Pittman explained that he believes Christian productions have generally been of poor quality, and that he would like to present content that rivals and exceeds the best of the what the world has to offer.

“Christian television has been so bad for so long. They see something that looks good and is good, and their first reaction is, ‘Woah, that’s not Christian.’ Why?” Pittman asked. “[F]or some reason, they see, ‘Oh no, it’s a tv show and it makes me laugh. A pastor shouldn’t be doing that. For some reason we have this wall…”

He contended that a number of Christian leaders have penned fiction novels, and none have objected.

In regard to using strong or edgy terminology, Durbin expressed his concern over what he perceives as “personal piety” among Christians, which he opined conflicts with the Scriptures because the Bible uses vivid language in speaking about sin.

“We can’t have a standard of pious language that is higher than God’s because when God is dealing with sin to such a degree, he cuts, and he uses language to expose the foolish,” he said.

“It was mockery. We’re taught not to ‘rear end’ people. That’s what the Bible says,” Pittman also remarked in regard to the sodomy reference in the show. “Just ‘cause the subject matter is gruesome, and it is, that’s the point. I actually think that was a really well-written joke.”

“Because it’s meant to expose a very sinful, immature, foolish practice,” Durbin interjected. “… If you say, ‘Well, you shouldn’t engage in mockery of those things. Those are too serious,’ well, then you need to read your Bible because God mocks sin constantly in the Bible.”

In furthering his point, Durbin pointed to Ezekiel 16, where God compares Israel to an unpaid harlot due to her spiritual infidelity, and the reference to the private parts of animals in Ezekiel 23. Durbin also noted that Jesus called the Pharisees whitewashed tombs and a brood of vipers.

“If we use very hard and cutting language or symbols, or if we use satire in a way to expose unbelieving thought and foolish unbelieving behavior, if somebody says, ‘Well, that’s treating a very serious subject in too coarse of a way or too callous of a way,’ I would encourage you to read how God speaks to Israel when Israel goes off into spiritual adultery with other nations and engages in what is termed harlotry or being a whore,” Durbin said.

“That is hard-cutting language. That is imagery that’s supposed to get across a point,” he remarked.

Durbin said that he believes the Bible’s prohibition on coarse jesting pertains only to when someone is making jokes favorably about sin, not against it.

“If you’re using satire, if you’re using metaphor and strong imagery in a way that celebrates the [sin], Like it’s laughing about the [sin] to celebrate it, then that’s of course coarse jesting, … but if you’re using imagery to denounce a practice or a person whose engaging in it, then I think you’re engaging in the rightful use of satire, imagery, symbolism [and] cutting language,” Durbin asserted.

He further outlined during the video that he believes it is an effective way to deal with the sin in our nation.

“If we engage homosexuality, the destruction of marriage, abortion, the murder of children, socialism and national theft—if we’re to engage those issues like 89-year-old women in a bingo circle that go to a Lutheran church, we’re not engaging the world in a way that God actually does,” Durbin said.

Durbin and Pittman had recorded a video in 2015 entitled “Buzzfeed: I’m a Christian … No ‘Buts’ or Genitals,” in which they continuously laughed and giggled over the thinking of various individuals featured in a Buzzfeed video that professed to be Christian but identified as homosexual, feminist, non-judgmental or provided other unbiblical remarks.

‘WE SHOULD BE CALLING A SOLEMN ASSEMBLY’

Denton

However, Ryan Denton of the Texas-based Christ in the Wild Ministries and former New Mexico pastor, who preaches the gospel to abortion-minded mothers outside of Hilltop Women’s Reproductive Clinic of El Paso, told Christian News Network that he believes most Christians are already too entertained and need to get serious about the Father’s business.

“[T]he chief toxin that’s destroying this country is entertainment, which Christians in America are already drowning in,” he said. “It’s worshipped in the churches. It’s worshipped in the homes. The golden calf of America is entertainment.”

Denton said he watched the first episode and believes that comedic programs “damage the already debilitated view that the Church has for the solemn work of gospel preaching and holiness.”

“Where in the past have you ever seen the Reformed church advance on the culture with such carnality? The Reformed church has always tried to separate themselves from the world and the culture. It believed in gospel preaching and holiness. The Church of old saw entertainment for what it was: a waste of time,” Denton stated.

He also pointed to a sermon from the late Leonard Ravenhill, a 20th century revivalist preacher, who once said, “We’re overboard on laughter and happiness. There’s an old saying in the world, ‘Laugh and the world laughs with you.’ I change it and say, ‘Laugh and the Church laughs with you, but weep and you weep alone.'”

“Because there isn’t enough real joy in the house of God, we need entertainment. Entertainment is the devil’s substitute for joy,” Ravenhill said. “Because there isn’t enough power in the house of God, people are always looking for something to take its place. We point the finger at the world, but we need to turn to the Church and say we’d better all get sackcloth and ashes and humble ourselves and say ‘Almighty God!'”

Ravenhill often spoke on the Church’s response to what he called a “devil-ridden, sin-mad society.” He is also known for his books “Revival God’s Way” and “Why Revival Tarries.”

Hall

J.D. Hall, pastor of Fellowship Baptist Church in Sydney, Montana and host of The Polemics Report, told Christian News Network that he likewise doesn’t think that it should be a goal of Christians to rival the best of secular late-night programming, even though the message will be counter-cultural.

“The fact is, television programs like The Daily Show and the former Colbert Report had a great impact on American cultural-political dialogue. … However, it is unseemly for Christians to take a pragmatic monkey-see-monkey-do approach just because the left has used the approach effectively,” he said.

Hall, like Denton, stated that there is nothing in Church history that would indicate that those throughout the ages who had the sacred privilege of preaching the gospel to a sin-sick world sought to use entertainment or humor to impact the world for Christ.

“I can think of no serious leading evangelical figure throughout most of Christian history who would take part in such an endeavor as is being attempted by Apologia studios, let alone contrive it,” he stated. “[Charles] Spurgeon famously rejected an offer to preach the gospel at Barnum’s Circus because it was unbecoming a minister of the gospel.”

Spurgeon, who lead Metropolitan Tabernacle in London and strongly advocated preaching “beyond the walls of the meeting house,” was one of the most influential preachers of the 19th century and is considered by some as “the last of the Puritans.” Durbin likewise considers himself to be an adherent of Puritanical theology.

Hall said that he doesn’t think Christians should be mocking sin, but rather mourning over it.

“Christians ought rather mourn than laugh at things that are detestable to God,” he said. “During a time we should be calling a solemn assembly, some have taken to a … vodcast studio to read off punchlines to jokes.”

“The pastoral office is a serious one. We are, after all, commanded to be sober-minded in 1 Peter 5:8-9,” Hall outlined. “This command of Scripture doesn’t mean that we have to be morose or sullen, but it does require that we put away childish ways and childish talk, which has typified this genre of entertainment.”

Hall also disagreed that the Bible’s use of strong language in rebuking sin parallels to the way it is being used in the “Next Week” show.

“Although strong language is consistently used throughout Scripture—like general plain-spoken assertiveness—lascivious language, coarse jesting or corrupting talk is not,” he outlined. “Furthermore, when we see uses of the serrated edge of sarcasm (like Elijah’s dispute with the prophets of Ba’al at Mt. Carmel), it wasn’t for the purpose of the humor or sarcasm itself, and neither was it to build an audience around his cutting wit.”

Denton, who engages in regular street ministry nationwide and also preaches in jails and homeless shelters, said that preaching the gospel is sufficient.

“The serious open air preacher knows it’s the gospel alone that is taken to the battle. This is his anthem. This must be his weapon. Any other means is a waste of time—especially entertainment,” he said. “You preach the gospel. That’s enough.”

“Being a gospel preacher is hard enough. Being a pastor is taxing enough. It’s hard work to labor in the Scriptures day after day in order to feed God’s sheep. It’s hard work beseeching the Lord on behalf of the people that God’s entrusted to you. Why play around with a late night show? What serious pastor has time for such levity?” Denton asked.

Denton said that that while the gospel is the goal, he believes methods using “carnal means to reach carnal people” outside of preaching are rooted in pragmatism rather than biblical evangelism. Both Denton and Hall also opined that such ideas are more akin to what is often referred to as “New Calvinism,” or the “Young, Restless and Reformed” movement—defined as that which adheres to “the fundamentals of 16th century Calvinism while seeking to engage these historical doctrines with present-day culture.”

Durbin would deny the characterization as he has noted that Apologia is of the “Puritan tradition of theology.”

Dr. Peter Masters, who currently leads Metropolitan Tabernacle—over 150 years after Spurgeon, has written against New Calvinism, stating, “You cannot have Puritan soteriology without Puritan sanctification. You should not entice people to Calvinistic (or any) preaching by using worldly bait.”

“My first contention is that providing amusement for the people is nowhere spoken of in the Scriptures as a function of the Church. If it is a Christian work, why did not Christ speak of it?” Archibald Brown, who succeeded Spurgeon, also once said. “‘He gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some evangelists; and some pastors and teachers .., for the work of the ministry.'”

“Where do entertainers come in? The Holy Spirit is silent concerning them. Were the prophets persecuted because they amused the people or because they refused? The concert has no martyr roll,” he stated. “In vain will the Epistles be searched to find any trace of this gospel of amusement! Their message is, ‘Come out, keep out, keep clean out!’ Anything approaching fooling is conspicuous by its absence. They had boundless confidence in the gospel and employed no other weapon.”

The current concerns raised show no signs of deterring Durbin from his weekly political late-night comedy webcast.


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  • Amos Moses – He>i

    while i agree with JD Hall and Leonard Ravenwood …. i have watched both shows he has released so far and enjoyed them …. Jeff has a particular point of view ….. his jokes about coffee have been really cutting ….. Atheist coffee blend “Dark and Bitter” ……. LOL ….. he is not every christians cup of tea (or coffee, “christian crack” as he calls it) …. but he is a theologically correct preacher of the word ….

  • Paladin Roy

    2 Thessalonians 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
    10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
    11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
    12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

  • bowie1

    The joy of the LORD is our strength and not some profane worldly entertainment which I understand is part of his “routine.” I get joy singing the great hymns of old with a medium pace (not too fast not too slow) but perhaps sometimes it has been played more somberly.

  • Kevin

    I started reading this article fully intent on lambasting Jeff Durbin. The nerve of him to attempt to reach the lost where they are!! Wait, didn’t Jesus eat and drink with sinners? I like Spurgeon, but, he too is a product of the church and its subsequent derailment that began in the 3rd and 4th centuries. The Reformers definitely moved the church in the right direction; taking it out of the unholy clutches of the RCC. However, they didn’t go far enough to mirror Jesus’ intent for how the church should function in the world. The modern church, and more so those in Western Christianity, is dim reflection of how Jesus envisioned His church to function based on New Testament writings.

    Another point that legalists tend to get hung up on is “If it doesn’t address it in scripture, than we shouldn’t do it.” Ahhh, no. That slices the throat of liberty in Christ. If something is’t addressed in scripture, it should be left up to the individual and the guidance of the Holy Spirit; not left up to mere men (or women) to dictate what is and isn’t acceptable based on their personal experience(s). Because, God has every believer on an individualized journey of sanctification; particular to them and where in their worldly existence they were adopted into the family. How and with what God chooses to deal with in one believer is not going to match what He wants to deal with in another.

    • Reason2012

      Wait, didn’t Jesus eat and drink with sinners?

      Jesus didn’t get drunk with them, or laugh about how funny it was to get drunk, or how funny it was to sin, which is the huge point these false teachers are deceiving others into missing. Jesus ate with them to tell them about their sin, that it’s not funny, that judgment is coming, that forgiveness is at hand. Huge difference, not in the least a joke or entertainment.

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        i have to agree with you on several points ……….. but ridicule and mockery are used by Christ, the Apostles and the prophets ….. and in the form of comedy or laughing at them …….. laughing at their contradictory beliefs …………. and Jeff Durbin is a terrific exegete who rightly divides Gods word ….. if you have ever listened to him deal with atheists, mormons, proaborts, etc …. he is very effective in breaking their delusions of their beliefs ….. and it is not a comedy act when he does it ………..

      • Kevin

        Reason, first off, who said anything about getting drunk? Sadly, too many legalists make the automatic jump from drinking to drunkenness. Btw, did you happen to forget what Jesus’ first miracle was?

        Second, we live in different times than those in the first century. Meaning, people today don’t respond the same way they did in the 1st and 2nd century. The message has absolutely not changed, but the delivery most certainly has.

        • Reason2012

          Reason, first off, who said anything about getting drunk?

          Yes God is against alcohol and more so what it leads to: drunkenness.

          did you happen to forget what Jesus’ first miracle was?

          It doesn’t say he made alcohol. It says he made wine – there were non-acoholic wines.. God/Jesus would not make alcohol for people who would have obviously gotten drunk off of it, which is him temping them to sin. Some atheists would use as an argument against God and His Word.

          Second, we live in different times than those in the first century. Meaning, people today don’t respond the same way they did in the 1st and 2nd century.

          God’s truth does not change, nor does how He saves people: by the gospel – by the foolishness of preaching.

          Malachi 3:6 “For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.”

          Psalms 33:11 “The counsel of the LORD standeth for ever, the thoughts of his heart to all generations.”

          He didn’t say He saves people by the foolishness of acting like a late night comedy act and mocking sin.

          The delivery is still preaching Christ crucified, to them that perish foolishness. Not trying to turn it into a comedy show for them because they consider Christ crucified foolishness and hence we must try some other way to “reach” them and “save” them.

          Some may be well intentioned, but they need to stop pretending they’re the one’s that save people having wrapped His truth into a package of jokes and late night comedy, because they think preaching Christ crucified does not work anymore – that it’s now all about the wisdom of their words or the wisdom of their delivery, not the power of God – that they save people, not God. It in effect tarnishes God’s glory and creates false “converts”.

          1 Corinthians 2:4-5 “And my speech and my preaching was not with enticing words of man’s wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power: That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God.”

          1 Corinthians 1:21-24 “For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe. For the Jews require a sign, and the Greeks seek after wisdom: But we preach Christ crucified, unto the Jews a stumblingblock, and unto the Greeks foolishness; But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.”

          Mark 16:15-16 “And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature. He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”

          He doesn’t say “if they reject it, then try to find a clever way to repackage it in humor so that maybe they’ll claim to believe”.

          There are untold millions if not billions of false converts today, because they’ve believed man-made “gospels” instead of preaching the gospel – Christ crucified – and allowing the power of God to save whom He will.

          • Kevin

            Reason, I pray you one day are able to experience true liberty in Christ and find a way to break free of the legalistic confines you’re chained to. I wish you the best possible peace my friend. 🙂

          • Reason2012

            It’s true liberty in Christ to think that God does not save people anymore by the foolishness of preaching, but that instead He saves people by late night comedy acts, joking about sin? How so? I pray people stop hiding behind their cloak of judging others as yet unsaved when they cannot address what God’s Word clearly says that contradicts their claims.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again …. quoting out of context and proof texting ….. does not make your case ………. it is poor use of the richness Christ has given us ………….

          • Reason2012

            You seem to not understand what context is used for. Let me help you.

            John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

            This verse is Jesus claiming to be the only way to God. When you check the context, that fact remains that this is precisely what it means, so no need whatsoever to mention context when it’s used: the verse stands even on its own merit.

            However:

            James 2:25 “Likewise also was not Rahab the harlot justified by works, when she had received the messengers, and had sent them out another way?”

            This verse makes it seem like the Bible is claiming that a person is justified by works, and if someone says it does claim this, then you would do well to point out “context”, because context shows this is NOT what it’s saying. When we check the context we notice it’s part of a whole that instead is indicating that our works are evidence of our faith being true saving faith, not just dead faith – that our faith is what justifies us, not works.

            Now that this is clear, consider:

            If someone was to quote John 14:6, claiming this shows that Jesus is the only way to God, and someone then says “no, you’re quoting out of context and proof texting” – they’re now claiming the Bible does NOT say Jesus is the only way to God, and the onus would be on them to back up their case, not just make the claim and never back it up.

            If they cannot back it up that the claim is out of context, but can only say it, they can safely be ignored.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            but quoting it out of context ROBS THE TEXT …. and it does VIOLENCE to Gods word …….

          • Reason2012

            but quoting it out of context ROBS THE TEXT …. and it does VIOLENCE to Gods word …….

            Well at least you seem to now understand context does not change the meaning of many verses, like this one, but now you bring up a new claim.

            John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

            Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. No one comes to God the Father but by Him.

            Please prove that truth is “robbed” by citing that one verse.
            Please prove “violence” is “done to God’s Word” by citing that truth.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            context OFTEN changes the meaning …. and just because you MAY get it right from time to time …. it leads to error ….. and you do ………..

            i do not have to prove it …. if you are a christian you are supposed to know that …. we do not get to pick and choose which parts of Christ and God we are going to accept …….. it is an ALL OR NOTHING proposition ………….. when in the OT men were to sacrifice a sheep …. they had to LIVE with it for three days ….. then after it was killed …. they HAD to BY LAW eat EVERYTHING from the nose to the tail …….

            that is what scripture requires of us …………. that is what Christ requires of us and HIS word …. ALL OR NOTHING ….. it is not our word to do with as we please for OUR benefit ……….

          • Reason2012

            So now you abandon your “it robs the text” or “it does VIOLENCE to God’s Word” and go back to context, which I addressed and you ignored.

            context OFTEN changes the meaning

            Ah, so you finally admit doesn’t ALWAYS change the meaning, it only “OFTEN changes the meaning”. Thank you for admitting that many times context does NOT change the meaning, which is the point I always make,. that I just made above, that you obfuscate, and just repeat “context”.

            So you finally are shown admitting that many times context does not ALWAYS change the meaning, only “often”.

            Exactly my point. I’ll remind you in the future if you ever forget.

            Now that you’ve finally admitted context is not always needed, feel free to prove in this particular case of what you accused above that context “changes the meaning” of what I cited above from what it clearly seems to say and Scripture saying something very different instead.

            You never can.

            But at least repeating “context” is now no longer an attack you can use, since you just admitted it’s only “often” that context changes the meaning, not “always”.

            again …. quoting out of context and proof texting ….. does not make your case

            So, unless you can PROVE this is such a case where context makes the verse say something else besides the obvious, then you’re just saying “context” over and over again becomes just deceptive obfuscation, not edification.

            If you can back up your claim, feel free. If you can only repeat your rebuked claim of “context” but back up nothing, I leave you to it.

            PS I’ll remind you in the future when you continue to bring this dishonest “context” attack that you admitted context only “often” not “always” changes the meaning of Scripture, which is the point you’ve been obfuscating until now but can do so no longer.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            it is NOT PROPER to use it out of context …. and just because you can get away with it from time to time ….. that does not give you any authority to do so ….. and even MORE importantly …. you CANNOT show where you have any authority to MISUSE Gods word in that fashion …. so it is really upon you to prove your use of it in the way that you are …. no backtracking … no change …. there is a right way to RIGHTLY DIVIDE the word of God ….. and their is what YOU are doing ……… and if YOU are going to do what televangelists and pagans do to the text ….. EVERYDAY …… then your handling of it is no better than theirs ….. and when a pagan says “well why do you eat shell fish and wear cloth of two different fibers” …… then you have NO EXCUSE ….. because YOU DO THE SAME THING …….

          • Reason2012

            Let’s see you back up your claim in this example since you keep ignoring it.

            If someone claims there are many ways to God, and a Christian cites

            John 14:6 “Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.”

            Prove that is

            – “misusing” God’s Word, or
            – not rightly dividing the Word of God

            By claiming they’re not rightly dividing the Word of God, is to imply Jesus is NOT the way, the truth, and the life, that men come unto the Father other ways besides Christ, which makes the person claiming this an anti-Christ liar.

            To claim they’re “misusing” the Word of God is also to imply Jesus is NOT the way, the truth, and the life, that men come unto the Father other ways besides Christ, which also makes the person claiming this an anti-Christ liar.

            So feel free to prove it’s misusing God’s Word and/or not “rightly dividing the Word of God” here.

            You cannot.

            Which shows your claim of only citing the 1 verse 100% of the time as

            – “misusing” God’s Word, or
            – not rightly dividing the Word of God

            a false claim, and a lie as you continue to repeat it after being clearly shown this.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “By claiming they’re not rightly dividing the Word of God, is to imply Jesus is NOT the way, the truth, and the life, that men come unto the Father other ways besides Christ, which makes the person claiming this an anti-Christ liar.”

            nope ….. the question is not if this one example is used correctly …. it is ARE YOU USING IT correctly ….. and when you use it OUT OF CONTEXT ….. you are not …. and you fall into error easily …….. which you have done time and again ……….

          • Reason2012

            the question is not if this one example is used correctly

            So you admit it can be just fine to cite ONE VERSE and it not be “out of context”, not be “‘misusing’ God’s Word”, not be “not rightly dividing the Word of God” – so much for your false claim that it’s always wrong to do so.

            Feel free to prove I did it wrong in this case. I ask you over and over and you can never back up a word of it, but just claim that I’ve “not used it correctly” that I’m “out of context”. Ad hominem is all you can bring to the table, which is dishonest, Amos.

            Still waiting for you to back up your claim.

            You can’t, which is why you won’t. You never do when I call you out on it to prove I’m “not using it correctly” or “out of context”. When you respond again, you won’t again which proves my point. And when you try, I’ll easily expose your claim as false in that regard as well.

            Take care.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ignored …………..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Yes God is against alcohol and more so what it leads to: drunkenness.”

            you have no biblical evidence God is against alcohol …. sorry ……. that is an out right lie ……………..

            Matthew
            …27 Then He took the cup, gave thanks and gave it to them, saying, “Drink from it, all of you.
            28 This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
            29 I tell you, I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now on until the day when I drink it anew with you in My Father’s kingdom.”

            the fruit of the vine ….. do you really think they were drinking Welchs Grape Juice ………….

          • fishing4truth

            Don’t be drunk with wine, which will ruin your life, but be filled with the Spirit. (Ephesians 5:18)

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and how much wine did Christ create at the wedding for His first miracle …………

          • fishing4truth

            Amos, you’re making me laugh now. Your argumentative demeanor seems to suit you. Keep your beliefs and enjoy watching the Jeff Durbin Show.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so you cannot dispute a scripture …. where Christ CREATED wine for a wedding …. and now you want to walk away …. from a very productive study of scripture ……… and that is how you approach scripture ……… REALLY ………. and i do enjoy watching JDs show …. and i will continue … and if you do not …. it is just adiaphora, it is no big deal ….. but as a fellow christian …. that is very disappointing to see your attitude ……….

          • fishing4truth

            Amos, you’re free to watch and/or do whatever you like. I see no point in your style of “studying Scripture”… enjoy the special grace that you must have.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            see …. capitulation ………. my “style” of studying scripture …. is NOT to take a snippet OUT OF CONTEXT and try to build a theology out of it ……… as you did ……..

          • fishing4truth

            Stop it Amos… you’ve got me laughing again.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so what about Babylon Bee …. or Lutheran Satire on YouTube ….. what about the passages i gave you where God mocks the unbelievers ……. in Proverbs and in Psalms ….. you do not seem to have an answer …. do you not think false teachers SHOULD be ridiculed ….. and i have yet to see any evidence that Jeff Durbin is a false teacher from you or anyone else ……. capitulation …………

          • Reason2012

            So you think God wants us to get drunk?! Please show that verse.

            You really think God/Jesus created alcohol so that the guests at the wedding could get drunk or even more drunk ?

            Please show those verses in the Bible.

            Are you honestly unaware there were and are wines that are not-alcoholic?

            Matthew 26:27 – 29 does not say what Jesus was handing around was alcohol.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i did not say that …. YOU SAID “Yes God is against alcohol …..” ….. and there is NO evidence of that …….. God created all things for our GOOD …. do men MISUSE parts of Gods creation …. YUP …. and is God pleased with that …. NOPE ….. BUT ….. there is NO BLANKET condemnation of alcohol ….. NOPE ………. and in fact …..

            1 Timothy
            5:22 Lay hands suddenly on no man, neither be partaker of other men’s sins: keep thyself pure.
            5:23 Drink no longer water, >>>>>> but use a little wine for thy stomach’s sake and thine often infirmities. <<<<<<
            5:24 Some men's sins are open beforehand, going before to judgment; and some men they follow after.
            5:25 Likewise also the good works of some are manifest beforehand; and they that are otherwise cannot be hid.

  • Paul

    You lost me at “JD Hall said…”

  • akagaga

    “For My thoughts are not your thoughts, Nor are your ways My ways,” declares the LORD. Isa 55:8

  • Adam Gray

    Both Hall and Denton are quoted as citing 2 verses (both by Hall) to refute this show. Everything else is pragmatic. In fact, Hall blatantly contradicts himself when he say ‘“Christians ought rather mourn than laugh at things that are detestable to God,”’ but then goes on to say ‘“Furthermore, when we see uses of the serrated edge of sarcasm (like Elijah’s dispute with the prophets of Ba’al at Mt. Carmel), it wasn’t for the purpose of the humor or sarcasm itself, and neither was it to build an audience around his cutting wit.”’ which is a premier example in Scripture where mourning over sin was replaced by mocking of it. If you are going to say something is unbiblical then you have to actually use the Bible to refute it.

  • I’m sorry to see ‘Pastor’ Jeff Durbin go in this direction, ‘Christian-entertainment’ is an oxymoron. Even to the point of twisting the Scriptures insinuating that God’s Word, or that Christ is somehow entertaining the thoughts. This is not making a “mockery of sin” as Durbin supposes, it is making light of sin, it brings a reproach to Christ, it shames the reformation movement, it conforms himself to even more worldliness. And to think that Durbin thinks that he’s is anything like a Puritan, is a fraudulent form of identity theft, which shames our Puritans as well.

    I agree with Dr. Sonny Hernandez’s assessment. “When I first heard about this late night comedy show, and the disgusting “rear end” jokes that come along with watching, I knew it was nothing more than a worldly gimmick. Sadly, I am not surprised. The young, restless, and professing reformed practices are nothing new. Christians should stay away from this nonsense. Special thanks to my friends Jordan Hall and Ryan Denton for speaking the truth.”

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    show number 3 is available on the youtube machine …………..

    Next Week: Episode 3: Racism and Charlottesville
    youtube;com/watch?v=33sodYyQbI8

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  • fishing4truth

    Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight! (Isaiah 5:20-21)

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      yeah …. keep fishing ………..

      • fishing4truth

        Amos, I will keep fishing, and speaking truth against the hateful lies of the Alt-left. If that offends you or you can’t handle the truth, you may wish to avoid reading my further posts. Warning Will Robinson; powerful eternal truths below:
        God has planned a time for everything, and he has planned a time to judge everything people do. He will judge good people and bad people. (Ecclesiastes 3:17)
        So God raised him up to the most important place and gave him the name that is greater than any other name. God did this so that every person will bow down to honor the name of Jesus. Everyone in heaven, on earth, and under the earth will bow. They will all confess, “Jesus Christ is Lord,” and this will bring glory to God the Father. (Philippians 2:9-11)

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          yeah …. and what does all that have to do with Jeff Durbin and the show ………….

          • fishing4truth

            Believer’s in Jesus Christ have been called out of the world; we are to live a life that is different and sometimes at odds with the fallen world we live in. Christ’s followers are told to be light that shines in the darkness. If the church has become so apostate as to mock the things of God (like Pope Francis) then it has destroyed its own testimony of Jesus Christ. God’s Word exhorts believers in Jesus to be different, set apart, to expose the evils of this world – but not be partakers with those that mock God. Jesus taught that the church is to be salt & light to a world darkened by sin. He then asked his disciples, “If the salt loses its saltiness, it has become worthless and only good to be thrown out.” The Church should not walk, talk, and act like the sinful world around it – but convict the world of its need for a Savior. “Great blessings belong to those who don’t listen to evil advice, who don’t live like sinners, and who don’t join those who make fun of God. Instead, they love the Lord’s teachings and think about them day and night. So they grow strong, like a tree planted by a stream—a tree that produces fruit when it should and has leaves that never fall. Everything they do is successful.” (Psalm 1)

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            yeah … and i have no disagreement with all of that …. WHAT does that have to do with Jeff Durbin ………

          • fishing4truth

            Amos, I perceive that you are a fan & apparently a supporter of Mr. Durbin; am I right in thinking that? If so, why not state your case in his defense? According to this article, Mr. Durbin mocks sin, the very same sin that Jesus Christ died on the cross to pay for with His own blood. How can mocking that be justified, especially if the mocker is a pastor? This is clearly proof that we’re in the last days and the same sin that Mr. Durbin makes jokes about demeans Jesus’ sacrifice on the cross. Without the shedding of Blood, there can be no atonement for sin. And that same Jesus will judge Mr. Durbin, you, me and everyone else who has ever lived. I was reading Psalm 1 earlier today; “Great blessings belong to those who don’t listen to evil advice, who don’t live like sinners, and who don’t join those who make fun of God. Instead, they love the Lord’s teachings and think about them day and night. So they grow strong, like a tree planted by a stream—a tree that produces fruit when it should and has leaves that never fall. Everything they do is successful.”

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no …. i have made no defense … i have given the facts ….. and i asked you a question …. i have not disagreed with one thing you have said ….. i asked a question ………….. mocking sin is not mocking Christ …. you are making category errors …… Elijah mocked the priests of Baal …. was that wrong …… you are making category errors and then making a judgement and that puts you in error ……….

          • fishing4truth

            Good morning Amos, if I am in error, I will confess that right here before the world and repent from ever doing it again. If I’m tracking with your train of thought, you take exception that I’ve mentioned Mr. Durbin by name – is that correct? James mentions the tongue and what damage it can do… or how it can bless others. The tongue has the power of life or death. I believe that Christians must be mindful of what they are saying and how that affects those hearing our words. You mentioned being judgmental, but Jesus spoke of not throwing our pearls before swine… how can we determine who’s a spiritual swine without making our own determination of them or the situation? Many could label that as judging others…kindly help me to distinguish which Mr. Durbin is doing.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i see no connection to what you are writing and Jeff Durbin ….. so i am trying to understand as a person who has heard him speak numerous times …… just what the objection is ….. because what you are writing and what JD says and does do not seem connected ……… so i am looking for clarification ….. and i am not getting it …. i have heard no doctrinal error from him ….. and your doctrinal statements do not seem in error ….. but your statements seem to be category errors as they refer to him …. that is not doctrinal error ….. but it is being misapplied …………

          • fishing4truth

            OK Amos, can we compartmentalize this? Let’s just remove the man Jeff Durbin from the equation – OK? In my belief-system Christians are called to come out from among the heathen and live consecrated lives before the Lord. Everything that a Christian dthinks, does, says or acts should be to the glory of God. Would you agree with that? I do have issues with churches, pastors, entertainers, athletes or politicians claiming to know Jesus Christ yet denying His Lordship. I have grave concerns about the apostasy that is entrenched within many, if not most of American churches today. When I see church activities and I can distinguish that from the way the world acts, I see apostasy. Jesus spoke about a shaking and great falling away in the last times. Jesus also spoke of Christian persecution that we’re seeing in other countries, but has bot come into its own here. What could the great shaking be that Jesus warned His disciples about? Might it not be the persecution of the modern church? Many will depart from the faith and turn their backs on the Living Lord Jesus Christ, so that they remain accepted by this evil world’s system. Consider this from the sermon on the mount: What People Do Shows What They Are –
            “Be careful of false prophets. They come to you and look gentle like sheep. But they are really dangerous like wolves. You will know these people because of what they do. Good things don’t come from people who are bad, just as grapes don’t come from thornbushes, and figs don’t come from thorny weeds. In the same way, every good tree produces good fruit, and bad trees produce bad fruit. A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot produce good fruit. Every tree that does not produce good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. You will know these false people by what they do. (Matthew 7:15-23) During that same discourse Jesus gave this stern warning to anyone that would be His disciple: “Not everyone who calls me Lord will enter God’s kingdom. The only people who will enter are those who do what my Father in heaven wants. On that last Day many will call me Lord. They will say, ‘Lord, Lord, by the power of your name we spoke for God. And by your name we forced out demons and did many miracles.’ Then I will tell those people clearly, ‘Get away from me, you people who do wrong. I never knew you.’

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “In my belief-system Christians are called to come out from among the heathen and live consecrated lives before the Lord.”

            good …. but do we agree that even AFTER we are saved….. we do not live even one day perfectly ….. we are not capable of doing so ….. and that sanctification is an ongoing and continual process till the day we die ………….

            “Everything that a Christian dthinks, does, says or acts should be to the glory of God. Would you agree with that?”

            i do …. and even the acts we may not agree with … that other believers commit can have the same ideal and goal of glorifying God …. again …. whether we see them as such and agree with them ……

            “I do have issues with churches, pastors, entertainers, athletes or politicians claiming to know Jesus Christ yet denying His Lordship. I have grave concerns about the apostasy that is entrenched within many, if not most of American churches today. When I see church activities and I can distinguish that from the way the world acts, I see apostasy.”

            as do i ….

            “Jesus spoke about a shaking and great falling away in the last times. Jesus also spoke of Christian persecution that we’re seeing in other countries, but has bot come into its own here. What could the great shaking be that Jesus warned His disciples about? Might it not be the persecution of the modern church? Many will depart from the faith and turn their backs on the Living Lord Jesus Christ, so that they remain accepted by this evil world’s system.”

            sure …. and that persecution is going to be the same persecution that Christ confronted ….. THE CHURCH and false belief in it ….. just as the Pharisees did …….

            so far we are in agreement ………. so now we are left with Jeff Durbin …… this was not a show in a church or during church or having anything to do with church or reaching the unbeliever ……….. in fact i doubt you could find two non-believers who have even seen it …. and most even here would be hard pressed to even be able to articulate what the show was about ….. absent this story ………

            so if you have a problem with JD and his theology or his epistemology or his Christology or his heterodoxy or his doctrine or something else of substance …. i would be interested in hearing it ….. because right now …. as far as what you are telling me ….. it seems as though the body of Christ is attacking one of its members and i cannot come up with a reason for it ….. and i respect the people above who would have a problem with it …. like JD Hall and others …. but even the bible uses somewhat crude language and imagery and mocking of sin and its practitioners ….. go to youtube and look for “Lutheran Satire” ….. just an example ……….

            1 Samuel 25:22 So and more also do God unto the enemies of David, if I leave of all that pertain to him by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.

            1 Samuel 25:34 For in very deed, as the Lord God of Israel liveth, which hath kept me back from hurting thee, except thou hadst hasted and come to meet me, surely there had not been left unto Nabal by the morning light any that pisseth against the wall.

            1 Kings 14:10Therefore, behold, I will bring evil upon the house of Jeroboam, and will cut off from Jeroboam him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel, and will take away the remnant of the house of Jeroboam, as a man taketh away dung, till it be all gone.

            1 Kings 16:11 And it came to pass, when he began to reign, as soon as he sat on his throne, that he slew all the house of Baasha: he left him not one that pisseth against a wall, neither of his kinsfolks, nor of his friends.

            1 Kings 21:21 Behold, I will bring evil upon thee, and will take away thy posterity, and will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel,

            2 Kings 9:8 For the whole house of Ahab shall perish: and I will cut off from Ahab him that pisseth against the wall, and him that is shut up and left in Israel:

            Luke 14:35 It is neither fit for the land, nor yet for the dunghill; but men cast it out. He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

            St. Patrick’s Bad Analogies
            youtube;com/watch?v=KQLfgaUoQCw

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          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Proverbs 1
            24 Because I have called, and ye refused; I have stretched out my hand, and no man regarded;
            25 But ye have set at nought all my counsel, and would none of my reproof:
            26 I also will laugh at your calamity; I will mock when your fear cometh; <<<<<<<<<
            27 When your fear cometh as desolation, and your destruction cometh as a whirlwind; when distress and anguish cometh upon you.
            28 Then shall they call upon me, but I will not answer; they shall seek me early, but they shall not find me:
            29 For that they hated knowledge, and did not choose the fear of the LORD:
            30 They would none of my counsel: they despised all my reproof.
            31 Therefore shall they eat of the fruit of their own way, and be filled with their own devices.
            32 For the turning away of the simple shall slay them, and the prosperity of fools shall destroy them.
            33 But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil.

            God mocks the unrighteous and holds them in derision ………. He laughs at their folly ….. so how can what JD is doing be "making light of sin" …………

        • Garbage Adams

          There is no such thing as “alt-left”.

  • John Calvin

    Yet all the haters will go out and watch the latest Avengers, spiderman, Thor, or black panther movie in a heart beat. Perhaps they think sitting at home being judgemental keyboard warriors against reformed Christians is fulfilling the Great Commission?

    • fishing4truth

      John, what exactly is a “reformed” Christian?

      • Amos Moses – He>i

        it means a christian of the reformation ….. Luther, Calvin, Wesley, Hus, the five solas …………

        • fishing4truth

          So… a protestant then?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            well …. i think it goes a little deeper than just that label … but basically … sure ….

  • nineleven

    comedy will not deliver America from its sins, only severe weeping and mourning before Him. its coming but it appears it will wont happen til the nation is experiencing national calamity from coast to coast.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      agree … but this is not just a comedy show ………….

  • Norm

    Durbin is doing what HE wants to do “for God.” I won’t judge him. But I will judge the ridiculous thing he is doing by making light of sin. THAT is not biblical. No matter how you try and justify it, it’s not biblical. Period. But, were in the last days, and back in Noah’s day, every man did that which HE SAW was right in his own eyes. Nuff said.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      he has never made “light of sin” …………. and if you had ever heard him preach you would know ………

  • Croquet_Player

    Seems like an awful lot of explanation of why a joke is funny.

  • MCrow

    I find it offensive in how it isn’t funny or original, but let him have his show. I doubt very much that he’s going to have an audience for long

  • Jarem

    The sad thing is that people are wanting the truth taught without apologies. There are many who are tired of these teachers who wish to ‘entertain’. It sounds as though there are many who are following 2 Timothy 4:3.

    What

  • Reason2012

    Here’s the beginning of this “pastor’s” latest comedy act used to get the gospel to people – used to get Christian entertainment to “not s*ck” (lewd sexual euphemism)

    “Hillsong Pastor Carl Lenz (sp?) is being criticized after being spotted having shots with justin bieber. In his defense the shots started out as water, and then they miraculously transformed. So… It’s all good.”

    So by mocking what Christ did, pretending Christ made alcohol, and did so again here so this “pastor” and bieber could get drunk – that’s what brings people to Christ? That any professing Christians defend this blasphemy is the only joke here.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      “pretending Christ made alcohol,”

      and what about your pretending He did not ………….. FYI …. Carl Lenz NEEDS and is CRYING OUT to be mocked for his treatment of the scriptures ….. but you should hold him in high esteem ….. as you do the samething ……….. and THAT is TRULY blasphemy ….. saying scripture says things it does not say and putting words in Gods mouth he never meant ……………. TRULY BLASPHEMOUS ………….. /SMH ……….

      • Reason2012

        No need to pretend He did not make alcohol. To claim God made alcohol so the guests could continue to get drunk – to sin – is blasphemy, Amos.

        James 1:13 “Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:”

        You are instead claiming God tempts people to sin, which is blasphemy, Amos.

        There are and have always been non-alcoholic wines and the Bible only says that God made wine.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          “James 1:13 “Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:””

          SO COMPLETELY AND TOTALLY OUT OF CONTEXT ….. that has got to the the WORST PROOF TEXT i have read from you ………….. lets look at what the passage says IN CONTEXT …………… WOW …. just …. WOW ………….

          James
          1:2 My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
          1:3 Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
          1:4 But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.
          1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him.
          1:6 But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
          1:7 For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.
          1:8 A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.
          1:9 Let the brother of low degree rejoice in that he is exalted:
          1:10 But the rich, in that he is made low: because as the flower of the grass he shall pass away.
          1:11 For the sun is no sooner risen with a burning heat, but it withereth the grass, and the flower thereof falleth, and the grace of the fashion of it perisheth: so also shall the rich man fade away in his ways.
          1:12 Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.
          1:13 Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
          1:14 But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
          1:15 Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.
          1:16 Do not err, my beloved brethren.
          1:17 Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.
          1:18 Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth, that we should be a kind of firstfruits of his creatures.
          1:19 Wherefore, my beloved brethren, let every man be swift to hear, slow to speak, slow to wrath:
          1:20 For the wrath of man worketh not the righteousness of God.

          this is saying YOU WILL BE TEMPTED …. by EVERYTHING .. but not only that …. “Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.” … and THIS is what you just ROBBED from the text …. and not only that ….. you COMPLETELY MISAPPLIED it ………. my God man …. HAVE YOU NO SHAME about what you have just done before the Lord ………………….. and the VIOLENCE you have just committed against the text ….. and the WORDS YOU HAVE PLACED in GOD mouth that He NEVER meant ……….. and you DARE to ACCUSE ME of BLASPHEMY when what you just did IS ACTUAL BLASPHEMY ………

          • Reason2012

            Yes, in spite of citing 20 verses, or even the entire book of James, verse 13 in chapter 1 still points out the crucial fact that God does not tempt any man to sin, and you’re claiming Jesus made alcohol to tempt everyone at the wedding to get drunk – to sin.

            So you’re now claiming God tempts people to sin? Really, Amos? That’s the only blasphemy here. I suggest you stop.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            and no one claimed it did …. and now you stand as a LIAR …. because …… “you’re claiming Jesus made alcohol to tempt everyone at the wedding to get drunk – to sin.” …. was what YOU SAID i said …. NOT what i said ……….. and you keep digging your hole ever deeper …… and the best way to get out of a hole ….. IS QUIT DIGGING yourself deeper ……

          • Reason2012

            I cite James 1:13 to point out God does not tempt people to sin, hence proving there’s no way God/Jesus created alcohol for the guests at the wedding to get drunk or to continue to get drunk. This in response to you claiming God could have tempted people to sin by creating alcohol for them to get drunk off of, as if we don’t know He didn’t create alcohol, by saying, and I quote

            and what about your pretending He did not … [make alcohol]

            So there you are, pretending it is possible that God/Jesus created alcohol for those people to get drunk or continue to get drunk – to sin.

            Now you change your story and claim

            “you’re claiming Jesus made alcohol to tempt everyone at the wedding to get drunk – to sin.” …. was what YOU SAID i said …. NOT what i said ……..

            Glad you realize it was blasphemy to imply Jesus/God creating alcohol, which in effect would be causing others to get drunk / sin.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “God does not tempt people to sin, hence proving there’s no way God/Jesus created alcohol for the guests at the wedding to get drunk or to continue to get drunk. ”

            and i nor anyone else made such a claim ………. and John 1:1-5 says you are wrong ……… and again you keep digging the hole ever deeper with that LIE …………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            2 Corinthians

            4:1 Therefore seeing we have this ministry, as we have received mercy, we faint not;
            4:2 But have renounced the hidden things of dishonesty, >>>>>> not walking in craftiness, nor handling the word of God deceitfully;<<<<<<<< but by manifestation of the truth commending ourselves to every man's conscience in the sight of God.
            4:3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:
            4:4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
            4:5 For we preach not ourselves, but Christ Jesus the Lord; and ourselves your servants for Jesus' sake.

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    and here is this weeks Next Week – Trump, Antifa, & Refuting Steven Anderson
    youtube;com/watch?v=n9CVv-c7stA

    Change the ; to a . ………………….. ENJOY ……………

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    and here is this weeks Next Week – Socialism Is Theft (with Jason Stapleton)

    youtube;com/watch?v=Zf3cEOWsnp4

    Change the ; to a . ………………….. ENJOY ……………

  • veritas

    He is a WOLF in sheeps clothing. Anything for a quick buck.