Wyoming Man Who Identifies as Woman Convicted of Raping Girl in Residential Restroom

CASPER, Wy. — A Wyoming man who identifies as a woman has been convicted of sexually molesting a 10-year-old girl after luring her into the restroom.

Miguel Martinez, who also goes by Michelle, was found guilty of first-degree and second-degree sexual abuse of a minor by a 12-member jury on Wednesday.

According to reports, Martinez, a friend of the family, invited the girl into the restroom while he was visiting her apartment in March and then raped her.

He had a blood alcohol level of .218, which is almost three times the legal limit.

The girl ran downstairs and told her mother what had happened, and the woman confronted Martinez about the incident outside in the parking lot. She also called the police.

After being found passed out from intoxication, Martinez denied any wrongdoing when questioned by officers. He contended that the girl had been making up things that day and that the accusations were simply a “publicity stunt,” according to the Casper Star Tribune.

However, the girl was examined at the Wyoming Medical Center, and it was determined that the child had indeed suffered injuries consistent with a sexual assault.

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Martinez pleaded not guilty in May while being arraigned in Natrona County District Court, but this week, the six-man, six-woman jury was convinced that he had committed the crime.

According to K2 Radio, Martinez’ mother burst into tears upon hearing the verdict and declared that her son “didn’t do this.” Martinez also asserted that the matter was really about homosexual and transgender people.

“There is no evidence,” he called out after being led out of the courtroom.

Martinez is being held without bond and faces 25 to 70 years behind bars. He has vowed to appeal.

According to reports, Martinez was likewise arrested in 2015 on a charge of domestic battery after allegedly getting into a fight with his boyfriend. He was also charged in 2014 after a man was found bleeding from the head following a tussle that broke out as the two drank champagne together.

It is not clear what became of those cases.


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  • Eldrida Urika

    And it starts…..

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    maybe he will really identify as a woman in prison ………… or a heavy bag ……….

  • Michael C

    Just like some cisgender people, some transgender people sometimes do bad things. Nobody ever claimed that all transgender people were good all off the time. Just as some cisgender people sometimes do bad things, so do some transgender people. This does not mean that transgender people are, in general, bad people who do bad things. Transgender men and women are far more likely to be the victims of violent crimes and sexual assault than the perpetrators.

    The vast majority of child sexual assaults are perpetrated by someone either within the family or known by the family. The assaults often happen in homes, churches, rec centers, ect., often by someone trusted by the child’s parents.

    It’s my guess that the purpose of this article is to attempt to instill fear against transgender women and men in order to curtail civil rights laws that would protect transgender men and women from discrimination in employment, housing, and public accommodations. Please don’t fall for it.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      “Just like some cisgender people, some transgender people sometimes do bad things. Nobody ever claimed that all transgender people were good all off the time.”

      YUP …. SIN is SIN ….. no one is immune ………. confusion about what is evil affects everyone ….. embracing of a FALSE sexuality not of the Creator God ….. is evil ……. and embrace of evil ……….. and is SIN …………

      • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

        Doing what this guy did (i.e. rape) is the sin. Being transgendered, if in fact he is, isn’t a “sin”.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          wrong …. it is a sin …. it is a forgivable sin …. ACTUALLY both are forgivable sins ….. but they are both still SIN ………….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            No, because being transgendered only means you believe you are not the same gender on the inside as you are on the outside. It’s a huge stretch to call that a sin because it’s not.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “you believe you are not the same ”

            and it is a false belief and a sin ……………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            They’re talking about themselves…their OWN situations. How can it be false when you’re talking about yourself? Are you trying to tell me that ALL transgendered people are in on a great big conspiracy together where they are ALL lying to the world?

          • ppp777

            The whole concept is a lie .

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Well, your church taught you that. I prefer to listen to scientific minds who actually study these things and don’t just go by knee-jerk emotions.

          • ppp777

            The irony of that statement is nothing new in this upside down world we live in , God help you .

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            You’re welcome to leave it. I happen to like it just fine apart from uptight people getting morally outraged by everything.

          • ppp777

            Huh , like I said , the irony .

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            You’re welcome to explain that, or just leave it as a random sneer.

          • ppp777

            When people like you are wronged ” wronged ” you would be the first to throw a wobbly .

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Still no clue what you are saying. It’s fine. No clarification needed.

          • ppp777

            Oh boy

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “They’re talking about themselves…their OWN situations.”

            so what …….. it is a denial of science ….. it is a denial of DNA ……. it is a denial of reality ….. people have no ability to change or determine reality …….. theirs or anyone elses …… it is sinful desire …. it is sin …. our “feels” are not a determining factor of truth ………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            No, the only one denying science here is yourself. Your arbitrary definition of SIN is what’s causing the problem here. You can only talk about your own reality, not someone else’s. I don’t know what it’s like to be transgender either, but that doesn’t mean I tell the people who are experiencing it that they are touchy-feely liars. I leave it to the experts in the scientific field. So should you.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope …. i deny FALSE science ….. and saying we have any input into out gender is pure false science and fantasy and sin ………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            The study of gender dysphoria is not false science. It’s backed by every respectable body of science there is. I think you don’t like it because it directly contradicts what you’ve been taught in your church, and no one likes to admit that their church has taught them wrongly.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “The study of gender dysphoria is not false science. ”

            it is not science ….. it is trying to justify sin …………. so false science …… and your own blind faith ……..

            “no one likes to admit that their church has taught them wrongly.”

            you do not like to admit the false science you are peddling is wrong ……. your blind faith in scientism is a false faith ………..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            First you have to get your head around the possibility that it’s NOT sin and accept that your church is possibly misleading you. Then you should explore what the study entails before you conclude that it isn’t science at all. After all, it’s being conducted by people in the scientific field all of whom are educated and qualified. I haven’t got a single reason in the world to believe the people studying it are being deceptive in any way. I do, however, see a lot of emotion in your statements coming from the religion side of the equation.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “First you have to get your head around the possibility that it’s NOT sin ”

            First you have to get your head around the possibility that it IS sin

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            I have no scientific reason to do that.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope …. you have no reason to admit you are wrong ………….. and EVERY reason to hold onto false beliefs ……….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            I repeat. There is no scientific reason to consider this to be a matter of “sin” which is really just a religious concept anyway with no real meaning.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            science does not deal in sin …… especially false science ….. science belongs to God …….. science was created by God ….. and sorry ….. you cannot use Gods creation to prove His creation is wrong ……..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            “Science does not deal in sin”
            Correct. Which is why I never concern myself with it; it’s irrelevant.
            Science exists outside of the realm of God.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “it’s irrelevant.”

            false belief …………. and wrong ………… not believing in something does not negate its existence ……….

            “Science exists outside of the realm of God.”

            is that a scientific or theological statement …………….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Faith deals in things that can’t be proven. Science does the opposite. Therefore sin is irrelevant to me.
            I don’t make theological statements.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Faith deals in things that can’t be proven.””Science does the opposite.”

            wrong …………

            “I don’t make theological statements.”

            so then are you saying it is a scientific statement ….. i need you to be specific ……..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            I’m not wrong. Deal with it.
            It’s a statement of fact. That’s me being specific.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so is that a “science fact” …………..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            It is indeed.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            good …. now we are getting somewhere ……… please describe your experiment ……. where are your data runs and how did you perform this experiment to determine your results ….. what were the controls you had in place …… what data did you throw out and on what basis ….. where is your PEER REVIEWED STUDY ….. and who read that study and approved its publication and where can it be found …………… because you are claiming science …. this is the current scientific methodology science recognizes ….. show me what you have ………..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Please tell me what scientific principles were violated which give you the right to label something false science.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            science has to be REPEATABLE …. it has to be TESTABLE ……. if it is not then it is NOT science ….. if it violates reality it is false …… science is not truth nor can it be ……… truth does not change … science does change constantly …… science cannot violate truth ….. truth stands on its own and needs no support from science, logic or reason ….. science, logic and reason either comport to the truth or it is garbage and false …………..

            OH …. and just because a scientist says something ….. does not make it science ………..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            We aren’t talking about A scientist. We are talking about a wealth of scientists. All of whom know a hell of a lot more about this subject than you do. You want testable and repeatable? Well you have it. I don’t know why you think it’s not. It’s not like there are two or three transgendered people on earth. All of whom would have been subject to the same scientific diagnosis.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope ….. the science of “gender” is 1.) not reliable as it does not comport to reality nor the truth nor is it testable …….. “I don’t know why you think it’s not.” … see number 1.) …..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            So you know better than the world’s scientists. The science of gender is 100% grounded in reality, but it happens to be a reality that you find uncomfortable and do you choose to reject it.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope … GOD does …. it is HIS creation ………. and “gender” science ….. is FALSE science …… and it is a lie ………. and it does not comport to reality …………. and that makes it false …….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            nope yourself…the world’s scientists do not use God in their work.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            the only thing they can use is GODS WORK …… or else they would have nothing and would have no job …. as you have NOTHING ……. there is no science without God …… quit stealing from Him …………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Your theological beliefs have no place in the reality that all people share.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            this is a CHRISTIAN forum …… we did not seek you ….. YOU came here ……… and the REALITY here is ………. GOD EXISTS ….. and it is not debatable any more than if the sun exists ………….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Congratulations, of course it’s a Christian forum. But what you’re essentially telling me to believe is that in order to be a scientist you must also be a believer in God, which I don’t have to tell you is absurd on a HUGE scale.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope … in order to be a CREDIBLE scientist ……….. big difference ……….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Most scientists are credible. If they have the paperwork decreed necessary by the profession then they are credible, give or take the odd one here and there.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope ….. not when they come up with garbage like “gender” “science” …… and those who believe it are not credible either ……….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            nope…that’s just your emotion talking, and there ain’t nobody listening. If you listened to the science rather than got so threatened by it, you might learn a thing or two.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope ….. you are not listening …. and i care not if anyone listens ….. that is not a metric of the truth ……………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            nope…you’re screaming emotions with no science to back it up, only a holy book and a lot of moral outrage. It amounts to zero.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you have no science without God …… i have given you no scripture so your “holy book” argument is null and void ………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            You have given me only emotion/laden insistence that God is required. I’ve given you proof that God is not required. God is not mentioned in science texts.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            God is part of the EVIDENCE …… and to eliminate God is to eliminate EVIDENCE …… and when you eliminate EVIDENCE …… you are in ERROR ………… and that is not science …..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            No, evidence has nothing to do with God. Look the word up in the dictionary. No mention of God whatsoever. Likewise science.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “No, evidence has nothing to do with God.”

            all the evidence is of God …….. so yes it does ………… i do not care what the dictionary says in this regard ……… it is irrelevant …….. and ignoring the evidence is ERROR ………..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            There is no evidence of God. If there were, atheists would not exist.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “There is no evidence of God.”

            so ANOTHER theological statement ……. A-theists KNOW God exists …… every person knows it …. but they suppress that truth actively ………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            No, atheists don’t know God exists, they deny the existence of God. You’re just getting downright silly now.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            EVERY person KNOWS God exists ……… and they lie to themselves to suppress that knowledge ……

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Don’t you see how crazy what you’re saying is? You are telling people what they believe, which is not something you can know. Atheists exist.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            NOPE … i am telling people WHAT THEY KNOW and how they LIE to themselves about it …… not the same thing ………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            You don’t know these people from a hole in the wall, so how can you sit here with a straight face lying to me that you know what they believe? You are basically saying atheism doesn’t exist. Well of course it does.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “You don’t know these people from a hole in the wall”

            God DOES ………. A-theism exists ….. as a lie people tell themselves to justify what they do ……. FYI …. the PRESUPPOSITION of A-theism …….. IS THEISM ….. is God and His existence …………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            No. Atheism doesn’t fail to exist just because you are too obtuse to accept it.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            try READING what was WRITTEN ……. i said ……. “A-theism exists ….” did you NOT READ IT …… or are you to bent on your silly point …. AGAIN ………….. “A-theism exists ….”

            ….. as a lie people tell themselves to justify what they do ……. FYI …. the PRESUPPOSITION of A-theism …….. IS THEISM ….. is God and His existence …………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            It doesn’t exist as a lie. It exists as something genuinely believe to be true, and neither you nor anyone else is in a position to tell them otherwise.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            it exists as a lie people try to convince themselves of being true ….. and they already KNOW it is not true …….. “neither you nor anyone else is in a position to tell them otherwise.” ….. yes we are …….. just as when you run a stop sign and the police and the judge tell you you are wrong ……… the A-theist can and is told they are wrong …… especially when ALL the evidence contradicts the A-theist ……

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            It’s a little sad that you can’t simply believe in God without inflicting your version of God on everyone around you who believes differently. You do not possess knowledge that the rest of us don’t have, all you have is a faith.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “You do not possess knowledge that the rest of us don’t have, all you have is a faith.”

            christians possess knowledge you do not have as you reject that knowledge …. knowledge of God ………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            No they don’t. Christians don’t have anything anyone else doesn’t have. Faith doesn’t make you special.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            paperwork means nothing ….. some of the BEST scientist NEVER held a degree …………… so pretty much debunks that nonsense ………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Paperwork represents education, so no, you’re very wrong to say it means nothing.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope ….. it represents a debt that has to be paid ……. or was paid ….. and now that degree has to be turned into money ….. and that is what motivates false science …….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            It represents that you passed your exams and met the requirements put forth by the university.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ” All of whom would have been subject to the same scientific diagnosis.”

            a “diagnosis” that has absolutely NO empirical means of diagnosis ….. other than the supposed “sufferer” says so …… sorry ….. science and medicine does not rely on SELF DIAGNOSIS …… nor is it predicated on “FEELINGS” …….. and FEELING you are the opposite gender ….. is complete HORSE HOCKEY ………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            That isn’t how it works. And if you don’t think science and medicine rely on self-diagnosis, then you won’t admit yourself to a hospital for extreme pain symptoms when you are having a gall bladder attack or a heart attack. I cannot believe I am having this conversation with you.

            Not all symptoms require for pain to be present.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i have a 20 plus CAREER in medicine ….. that is NOT how it works ……. FEELINGS (emotions) are not a diagnosis ……

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            All right, can we be serious please. You do not have a 20 plus career in medicine. Feelings contribute to a person’s belief. If I feel tired or run down, I believe I might have the flu. See how it works?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “You do not have a 20 plus career in medicine. ”

            again ….. WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE …… false assertion ……… FEELINGS (as in EMOTIONS) are not the basis for a diagnosis …………..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Feelings are the basis for symptomology which are the bases for diagnosis.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no ….. AGAIN …. EMOTIONS (Feelings) …… are not the basis of a diagnosis …………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Yes they are. That’s why you go to the doctor when you get the FEELING of a stomach ache, or go to a therapist/psychiatrist when have a FEELING of sadness or something not right in your life.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            HELLO ……….. EMOTIONS are not “a stomach ache” ……. “a therapist/psychiatrist” ….. almost NO verifiable science there …….. 90% of “a therapist/psychiatrist” “findings” in a study are not able to be tested and repeatable with any veracity ….. so NOT science ……..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            So now you’re an expert on the field of psychotherapy. Once again, you’ll understand if I listen to the medical people and not a guy with a religion.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            do not need to be to tell when a person is falling into sin and to know what sin is …….. it is quite easy …….. and psycho-babble mumbo-jumbo does not alter that ………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            “Psycho-babble-mumbo-jumbo”….a trenchant, non-emotional, scientific phrase, to be sure.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            thats is all you have ….. “Psycho-babble-mumbo-jumbo” is an apt description of your position ………..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Then we are clear. You think established, respected science is “psycho-babble-mumbo-jumbo” and “junk science”.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ” You think established, respected science ”

            depends on several factors ….. i.e. ….. WHO is doing the science …… WHAT they are studying …… respected by WHOM …….. and DO THEIR CONCLUSIONS comport to REALITY and truth ……… truth is the measure of science ….. science does not measure the truth ……..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Science doesn’t work in “truth”. Science works in finding the best answer and best solution. If a church doesn’t respect some body of science that is found to be sound and sensible amongst most scientists, no one is going to care. Churches are in the faith business, and scientists are in the science business.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Science doesn’t work in “truth””

            BANG ….. you got it …… so if it is NOT truth ….. then why should we pay any attention to it …….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Because it’s not a word used in science. Science looks for the best answer. Religion shouldn’t be using that word either because truth is something you can prove, which you are unable to do in matters of faith.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            SO IT IS NOT TRUTH …………… “truth is something you can prove” … NOPE ….. truth stands on its own and does not need any independent verification …… gravity needs no verification ……. YOU KNOW that if you step off a ledge you WILL FALL ……… unassailable TRUTH ……… and any one year old KNOWS IT ……………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            FYI …… any time you mention God in a statement …… that MAKES it a theological statement …….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            You’re talking about God. I’m talking about science. Transgenderism is a matter best left to science, not someone’s arbitrary religious belief.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope …. your statement was “Science exists outside of the realm of God” …… that is a THEOLOGICAL statement ………. or it maybe a scientific statement …… but YOU made that claim ………. SO AGAIN ….. please describe your experiment ……. where are your data runs and how did you perform this experiment to determine your results ….. what were the controls you had in place …… what data did you throw out and on what basis ….. where is your PEER REVIEWED STUDY ….. and who read that study and approved its publication and where can it be found …………… because you are claiming science …. this is the current scientific methodology science recognizes ….. show me what you have ………..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            I am not the one conducting any experiments. It’s already been done. I am still waiting for YOU to tell
            me what scientific principles were violated which give you the right to call it “fake science”.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you are the one making statements of “fact” …… and you have nothing to support your “fact” …….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Only scientific facts, but I can see how little value that has for you.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you have no facts …science or otherwise that … as you said ….. “Science exists outside of the realm of God” ………. if so …. SHOW YOUR EVIDENCE or your PEER REVIEWED STUDY ………….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Science has no need of God, and exists outside of the realm of God. Proof: no mention of God in any science text anywhere on earth.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            there is no science without God …………. absence of evidence is not evidence of absence ….. FAIL ….. TRY AGAIN ………..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            No need to try again. I got it right the first time. God is irrelevant to science and mentioned precisely nowhere in medical books.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope ………… God IS science ….. there is no science WITHOUT GOD ……….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            nope yourself…God isn’t not science. Science is science.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            all science CAME from God and without God you have nothing ………….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            No Amos. You may be a scientist and also an atheist. In fact there are many.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure ….. but they have no basis in accuracy to measure that by ….. science is MEASURED by the truth …….. science does not establish the truth of anything …… it might confirm the truth ……. but it is not any metric OF the truth …………and an A-Theist MIGHT stumble into the truth by accident …… but how would he know it as they reject the truth ………….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Science gives us the best possible answer we can have, and does so reliably. It doesn’t tell us to put our trust and faith in something we can’t even know. And I don’t know what an a-theist is, but given the number of atheists who are scientists, once again, I think when you follow the proof you find the truth. You don’t find it by following faith.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no … it does not ….. the truth is knowable outside of science ….. and either science supports the truth …… or it is garbage …………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Science will always support the truth.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope …. it does not ……… at least what many “scientists” are want to call science ….. and it is false science ………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            And you still cannot say what makes it false. Meaning you are not in any position to understand why science is reliable. You have only blind faith.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            how many times do i have to repeat it ….. it does not comport to the truth and reality ………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “but I can see how little value that has for you.”

            if you ever get any REAL scientific facts i will respect them …… but all you are giving here is your own BLIND FAITH in what that is ……….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Blind faith means putting faith in something that has no proof. Science has the proof so it’s not blind faith. Blind faith is what YOU have, believing as you do in a God that can’t be proven. And real scientific facts are there, you have failed to disprove them.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Blind faith means putting faith in something that has no proof”

            and YOU have no proof ….. you are taking ANOTHER persons word for it ….. thus BLIND FAITH ……..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            No I’m not taking another person’s word for it. I’m taking another person’s proof for it. I don’t go to see doctors who don’t practice medicine. If the doctor prescribes pills for my ailment I will take them. If the doctor prescribes bloodletting, it isn’t a real doctor.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            YOU have no proof …. and YOU are taking THEIR word for it that they reported it correctly and without bias …… and you have no way to verify that was done ….. BLIND FAITH ………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Yes, I have proof. I have the wealth of science who have proven it. I know the theory of gravity is correct. I don’t need to test it. You are welcome to do so.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            no, no, no, no, no ……..YOU have NO proof it is true ………. none whatsoever ……….. you have placed YOUR TRUST in THEIR observations ….. and you accept it on BLIND FAITH ……..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            I wouldn’t trust it if they hadn’t proven it. Not blind faith.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “I wouldn’t trust it if they hadn’t proven it. ”

            so HOW do you know they did …… what proof do you have that it was reported accurately and without bias ….. MEASURED against WHAT ………….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            You said so yourself. Repeatable with tests. The fact that we can get a vaccine and keep a disease away. That is solid, concrete proof. You don’t get a flu shot this time of year because of blind faith.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i do not get a flu shot at all ………. and yes it pretty much boils down to blind faith as far as flu shots …… you get better odds in Vegas ………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            An anti-vaxxer, I should have guessed. Going to say you don’t accept evolution as well.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            said nothing about being “anti-vaxxer” ….. STRAW MAN ………. flu shots are a waste of time ……

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Real science DOES support it. Anyone telling you not to get vaccinated is either into pseudoscience or disease.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            then you are not reading the studies done on it and that is just your BLIND FAITH acceptance …………..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Nope, that’s idiotic. Blind faith doesn’t mean you have to be a brain surgeon to accept and understand the work done by brain surgeons. I trust the airplane pilot is going to get me to my destination but I don’t have blind faith in him. For one thing, he’s educated in the field of flying airplanes. For another, he’s demonstrated over and over that he can do it. You shouldn’t be tossing the phrase around if you yourself don’t know what it means.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            but we are not talking about that ….. we are talking about your blind acceptance of anything labeled science ……. and just because a scientist says something …. does not make it science …… NOR does it make it the truth ………..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            I don’t blindly accept anything labelled science. The issue here is transgenderism which you’ve dismissed as junk science and it’s not. This is an area that the scientists know things about and you keep pretending it’s all junk and sin.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you read something … you probably did not read the actual study ….. you accepted what you were told …… you have no way of knowing it is correct or not …… EVEN IF you were a scientist …… most scientists have no way of truly judging the work of another in another field of science …… and most laymen are INCAPABLE ……. so ……….. BLIND FAITH ………. you accept what you READ and you have no basis to make any judgement about it EXCEPT BLIND FAITH …………..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            That doesn’t matter. I haven’t read the pilot’s manual either, but the pilot is working within a proven field. It isn’t blind faith. The BLIND part of the statement means you have no proof. Well, the pilot DOES have it. Blind faith is reserved for religion only.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ABSOLUTELY does make a difference ……… we are not talking about others ……… YOU have no basis to believe it other than BLIND FAITH …….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            I don’t know what part of this isn’t sinking in. If you are relying on established and respected science for things no one disputes it isn’t blind faith.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            there are certain things that applies to ….. there are many things it does not ………… but one thing it does not apply to is across the board just because the word “science” is attached to it …… science does not measure the truth ….. TRUTH measures science …….. you have it bassackwards …………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            And you measure truth with an ancient holy book which makes no sense at all. Truth isn’t found in any holy book where it is assumed to be truth just because it claims to be.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            that it makes no sense to you …… no surprise …… you are unregenerate ……….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            What you said is simply is a lie. Truth can be measured and should be measured with tests to ensure that it is in fact true. We don’t give it a free pass.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            truth does not need to be measured …….. it is the truth ….. there is nothing higher, no higher authority than truth …… to say otherwise is to say there is NO truth ……… there is an absolute standard of truth …… nothing measures it …… it measures EVERYTHING else ….

            The statement, “Scientific knowledge is the only legitimate form of knowledge,” is not scientific knowledge—that’s to say, we cannot determine the truth-value of this statement using the scientific method. With what sense can we observe the truth of this statement? Or what scientific tests can we perform to prove this statement? The truth-value of scientism is not empirically verifiable nor quantifiably measurable, and consequently is not subject to scientific inquiry—it’s an assumption. (BLIND FAITH)

            But this is a fatal problem for the believer in scientism—namely, scientism is not real knowledge. If science can’t verify the truth of scientism, then how can scientism itself be a legitimate form of knowledge?

            The answer is, It can’t.

            Why should anyone believe scientism is true if it’s not real knowledge? If scientism is not real knowledge, as implied in scientism itself, then it’s self-refuting, and thus should not be accepted as a reasonable worldview.

            ~ Karlo Broussard

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Truth needs to be measured when it is challenged. If something claims to be true and we find out it isn’t then it’s a good thing we “measured” it.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope ….. there is no higher authority than truth ……. science is measured by truth … science is not truth …… science is a methodology …… truth is a yardstick ………..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            I don’t disagree, the problem is what your definition of “truth” is. In your case, it’s a bunch of stuff written in a 2000 year old holy book.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope ….. there is no “your truth” and “my truth” ………… there is THE truth …… and if you do not accept that as truth …….. then all there is are “your lies” ………….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Nope. You are just using your own definitions for things.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope ……… that would be you ………..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Your whole problem is you look to the wrong source for the solution to things. The Bible isn’t a science book and it’s not a dictionary and it’s not an encyclopedia. And you are trying to use it for all those purposes.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “And you are trying to use it for all those purposes.”

            it is the sole source of truth in this world ………… and you have abandoned it and truth as a standard ……….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            No it isn’t. All religions teach that their book is the truth.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “All religions teach that their book is the truth.”

            sure …. but not all of them ARE the truth ……….. CLAIM …. and BEING ….. two entirely different things …………. and they are NOT all co-equal ………….. FAIL ………………. two DIAMETRICALLY opposed ideas of truth CANNOT both be true …… FAIL …………..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            So you picked the right one and everyone else picked the wrong one. Sigh. You are seriously in need of a major dose of humility, Amos. You’re not right all the time. Or even most of the time.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “So you picked the right one”

            nope …….. GOD picks the ones HE chooses and it has nothing to do with us ….. and THAT is why faiths are not co-equal ………….. it is not OUR CHOICE ….. and that is also why you do not understand what you are talking about when it comes to faith …….. “sigh” ……….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            No. You picked. God didn’t reach in your head and do it for you. You made the choice.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope ……. GOD made the choice of who was His and who was not ……… sorry … you do not know scripture ….. FAIL ……………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            You chose. God did not. You fail, sir. You chose your faith. Just like everyone else. There was nothing divine about it. There never is.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope …. and you are not a christian ….. and you speak with no authority …….. FAIL ………..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            I do not need to be. I’m not a Muslim either and can easily criticize the things I don’t like about their beliefs too. YOU CHOSE YOUR RELIGION. Period.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “YOU CHOSE YOUR RELIGION. Period.”

            NOPE …. and that is not scriptural ……….. FAIL …………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            EVERYONE.
            CHOOSES.
            THEIR.
            RELIGION.

            That’s how it works.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            NOPE ………. and you do not understand what christianity is …. so FAIL ………..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Christianity is a religion. It is chosen by people who follow the teachings of Jesus Christ. Fact.

          • Bob Johnson

            It is as if Amos is saying that wearing a seatbelt in a car is useless. Indeed most of the trips I have taken have not required a seatbelt. So the time spent hooking and unhooking is a waste. And there are many stories of people saved, such as throw from a burning car, because they were not wearing a seatbelt.

            It all boils down to statistics. The vast majority of the testing and real world experience shows that wearing a seatbelt is the better option.

            So not getting a flu shot is not so much opinion as it is ignoring the data and engaging in risky behavior. Something Amos is usually very much against

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Why flu vaccines so often fail | Science | AAAS
            sciencemag org
            20 Sep 2017 … The most commonly used flu shots protect no more than 60% of people who receive them; some years, effectiveness plunges to as low as 10%.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Measles was basically wiped out until some idiots decided to stop vaccinating. Then it came back.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so if you are vaccinated …. what is the problem ….. and do you really think you are going to wipe out flu and the common cold …… when you cannot vaccinate the source …..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            You can dramatically cut back on the chances of getting the flu by getting a flu shot. For a person like myself with diabetes that isn’t even an option. My doctor says get it. I don’t argue.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “You can dramatically cut back on the chances of getting the flu by getting a flu shot. ”

            You can dramatically INCREASE the chances of getting the flu by getting a flu shot.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            You are opening yourself up to the possibility of catching the flu being a lot greater though.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope ………. false assumption …………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            It’s perfectly true. If you don’t innoculate for the flu, you have a much better chance of getting it.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            if they managed to get the right flu vaccine …….. and many times they do not ……..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            The odds are still much better.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope ……..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            That is why they vaccinate. Because it works.

          • Eldrida Urika

            Getting the flu shot gives a very small percentage a flu that is minimal effects in comparison to not having the flu.
            When you are of an older age, the flu can cause problems that in younger people would not be a problem. And she is right, the people who did not allow the vaccine for measles has caused a disease that had been eradicated in this nation to come back. Measles in adults can cause a lot of complications too. Generally speaking, taking a flu shot is better than not getting it.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            yeah …. no …. IF you are vaccinated for measles ….. it should be no problem ………… “Generally speaking, taking a flu shot is better than not getting it.” …. your opinion ….. and that opinion it is NOT universally accepted in the medical community …………

          • Eldrida Urika

            everything you say is your own opinion;
            So you think it’s just flu shots that are useless to have?
            Actually most doctors recommend it because there is always something in them that will help with any flu. Besides people who don’t get a flu shot who are older, are taking a chance whether the shot if up to date for the flu’s that are common or not. There is still help from the vaccine to fight off new ones just not as strongly.
            Amos you crack me up when you complain that someone’s post is about their own opinion because the majority of yours are too. If you don’t like other people to use their own opinion then don’t reply to them. Either that, or don’t use your own opinion and then put their down.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “everything you say is your own opinion; ”

            sure it is ….. so what …….. i am not trying to appeal to “authority” to make my point and i am showing that the appeal to “authority” is not authoritative …..

            “So you think it’s just flu shots that are useless to have? Actually most doctors recommend it ….”

            so what …. appeal to authority is not the determining factor ……. FYI ….. we ALL take a chance …… vaccinated or not ……….. SO WHAT …………

          • Eldrida Urika

            So What. You were telling her that what she said was “just her opinions” and if that is what you are posting, your opinion, then you should not criticize her opinion.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            they were appealing to authority …… which was not really an authority ….. and they were trying to make it seem as though it was universally accepted …. as you are ….. and that is in error …… and that is not just “my opinion” ……….

          • Eldrida Urika

            Nope I’m not doing anything except point that out.Didn’t you notice how short I did it for you Amos. You did say that you only read the top part. Blessings!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i read until i see a lie ……. after that i do not care too much ………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Consulting something known to be true is not an appeal to authority. As with so many other things, you completely misunderstand.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            certainly one of has …… i pick you ……. as you do not seem to understand where authority lies ……….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Yes I do. The authority for scientific sources is science books and articles and websites. The authority for word definitions is the dictionary. The authority for scripture is the Bible, unless your Bible is one of those that has had books removed from it.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope …. wrong source ……… you begin in error and so you end in error ……… and you have no road map to the truth ……. only your own desire for the truth to be what you want it to be …. not what it is …..

            truth is a person …….. and that person does not change ……….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            The authority for scientific sources is science books and articles and
            websites. The authority for word definitions is the dictionary. The
            authority for scripture is the Bible.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “The authority for scientific sources is science books and articles and websites.”

            that is no authority at all ….. just because the word “science” is attached to something ….. does not make it science …… just as labeling “manure” as “powdered sugar” ……. does not change it from what it is to what you want it to be …….. does not change the taste or the smell …

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            You can’t make a generalization that broad. I am not defending pseudoscientific sources. I am defending actual science. Homeopathy is not science. Astrophysics is.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            It’s really uncommon to see Amos cite a fact, certainly a scientific one he would never provide. You’re very right, it’s all opinions, but he figures he’s speaking for Jesus.

          • Eldrida Urika

            Hi Princess Yes it is especially when it sounds true!
            My cousin had some running “discussions” with Amos and as a Christian she had a time trying to get him to admit that there are some scriptures that go against the way he said he believed. In the long run it caused her to be banned as far as we can tell.
            You are very good with him with your patience. I hope you can keep it longer than my cousin did! lol!
            IMHO No one can speak for Jesus unless it is written in the bible; If it isn’t in the Bible, it is not Truth.
            Have a great day!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Science, logic and reason all belong to God and come from God ……. quit stealing them and not giving credit to Him that allows you to use it ……. you are misappropriating it and misusing it ……. no christian has ANYTHING to fear from science that God created …….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            No one is stealing anything from a God they cannot know and who may or may not exist. I am sorry I can’t break that down any more for ease of your understanding..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “No one is stealing anything from a God they cannot know and who may or may not exist.”

            so AGAIN ….. you mention God and a thesis about God ….. a theological statement …… but YOU said you do not make such statements …… WHERE IS YOUR EVIDENCE …………..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            God is not necessary for the statement to be correct. Nothing about the field of science has any requirement of a belief in God. Just like an elephant is not necessary for a belief in French cookery.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “God is not necessary for the statement to be correct. ”

            AGAIN …. a theological statement ………….

            “Nothing about the field of science has any requirement of a belief in God.”

            without God …. that is IGNORING the evidence ……….. when you eliminate God from science all you have left is ERROR ……….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            God is not necessary for the statement to be correct. Not a theological statement.
            Acorn squash is not necessary for the statement to be correct. Also not a theological statement.

            Present your evidence of God, which no one has ever done before.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ANY statement about God is a THEOLOGICAL statement …………. YOU are the one making theological statements …… and here …. on this forum …… Gods existence is the PRESUPPOSITION ………. there is no need to prove the obvious …… the evidence of God is absolutely EVERY THING ……… even the fact that you are asking for evidence is a PRESUPPOSITION of the FACT of His existence ………….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            I’m removing myself from theological statements and removing God from the equation. So I’m not bringing God into it. You are the one doing that, and insisting all sorts of things about a God that many people don’t even think exists. You think about that.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            No …. your statements INCLUDED ideas about the nature of God and His existence ……. that makes it a theological statement ………….. so you DID bring it up ….. and if you want to remove God from the equation …… then all you have left is ERROR …… and no science ….

          • Cady555

            Sin is an offense against the god worshipped by the speaker. Sin has no meaning to those who do not worship that deity.

            Christians don’t care about “sins” against Hindu deities. Christians aren’t bothered by “sinning” against Allah. If the deity is imaginary, so are the sins against it.

            Likewise, non christians don’t worry about sinning against Yahweh.

            In our culture, we care about not doing harm to others. But rules that exist solely to appease a deity do not belong in secular law.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Sin has no meaning to those who do not worship that deity.”

            Sin is a violation of the law ….. there are universal laws that govern everybody whether you recognize them or not …… step off a cliff and the law of gravity will most certainly obtain a penalty from your violation ……

          • Cady555

            To the Hebrews, tattoos, pork and shellfish were sins. I’m pretty sure there isn’t a universal law against those.

            Every religion finds some things sins that other religions have no problem with. There is no universal morality.

            Every culture even has different ideas about who can be killed and whose property can be stolen. Just ask the Native Americans, those that weren’t murdered.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “To the Hebrews, tattoos, pork and shellfish were sins.”

            error ………. out of context …… and you cannot even tell me why that was so ……..

          • Eldrida Urika

            Amos, God hates a liar but it has to be done with maliciousness towards the other person, as if it is an unknowing lie it is not a sin by definition. The bible says that we can’t be sure from the outside of a man what the intent is, but God can, so it should be left to his judgment not ours. Believing you are another sex than you are is an incorrect belief at the most. They aren’t lying intentionally which is the liar that God hates. It’s not someone who actually believes what they say. Sin is an outright rebellion to God, these people may not know about Jesus enough to rebel against him. You forget to add some human tendencies as well as the fact that you can’t rebel without knowing God’s will.
            We are not supposed to judge something as a sin that is mentioned nowhere in the bible, especially when it is not an intentional lie against the Lord. God can see their hearts to know what it is and you can’t. He knows when someone is lying maliciously or unknowingly.
            This is the kind of case we should leave to the Lord on Judgement Day. He has to be the one to judge something not said in the bible. It also has to be known as a sin – including why – and told the whole story of Salvation before it is even considered a sin. You have to know that or Jesus considers you not choosing to follow him.
            The closest the bible comes is in the OT when he told us that women should not dress as men or men as women do. And again, if they don’t know about Salvation, it’s not a sin. It is but it isn’t counted as a sin until they understand about Salvation and choose not to follow Jesus.
            Besides that we can discuss things in the articles and about the sin that is apparent in them, but we have little information to make a judgement beyond the facts we are given. Make a complaint about the sin and the person including that is acknowledging that he could repent some time before his death and be forgiven. He promised to forgive every sin if we repented for them. He will only be forgiven if his repentance is honest and if his behavior reflects that change. God knows his heart and if it will be turned to him. We can’t ever know that. Even the faithful are supposed to turn away and wax cold, so even our brothers and sisters will someday fail.
            Jesus told us to forgive others as he forgives us, and to have compassion for others’ needs. It’s hard to imagine but even this man will have time in jail to repent and turn honestly to Jesus. It is only God’s will and nothing we can do about it.
            Blessings…. oh wait. He won’t read this. He told my cousin he reads to the first error and nothing further. Oh well I’ll leave it for the people that do read my posts. Blessings!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “maliciousness towards the other person”

            lies harm others if they were intended to or not ………… i am not looking a their intent ….. so fail on that point ….. i am looking at the outcomes … the fruit of the lies being told …… and it still comes out as harm ….

            “Believing you are another sex than you are is an incorrect belief at the most.”

            it is mental illness and should not be encouraged …………..

          • Eldrida Urika

            The point is Amos, is that you can’t call it a sin. If you want to describe it as a mental illness – that’s your opinion. And if it is God’s opinion HE will deal with it. Not us.
            I never said anyone has to accept it, I was just trying to explain to you that it is not a sin.
            The INTENT is exactly what makes it a sin or not.
            As far as this particular story goes, I think it’s terrible that it has happened to this little girl, but it is terrible no matter who rapes a child. And in this case it could have happened even if the man was not acting like he believed he was a woman.
            A family friend is someone who we trust, and no one expects someone who you trust to hurt your child.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “is that you can’t call it a sin”

            i do not …….. GOD DOES ……. it is the embrace of a lie and of worldly things and it is SIN ……..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            SIN applies whether they recognize it as sin …… OR NOT …… but the fact is GOD gave us a conscience ….. and we DO KNOW ………. because God placed that knowledge in every person ………..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Your arbitrary definition of SIN is what’s causing the problem here.”

            God is not arbitrary ………. calling God a liar is a sin …………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “I leave it to the experts in the scientific field. ”

            so BLIND faith ………. interesting ………..

            “You can only talk about your own reality, not someone else’s. ”

            there is no “your reality” and “my reality” …… thats just more lies and false belief and false science ………….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Blind faith? No. These people have degrees. They are educated. They are qualified. Blind faith would mean screaming things like “IT’S A SIN” without a single thing to back it up. Just like you are! Imagine that!

            If it’s false science, please tell me which scientific principles are being violated.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            degrees mean nothing in this discussion ….. you have put your faith in THEIR piece of paper ….. you have no way of knowing if they lied about their research ……. BLIND faith ………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Fine, then just tell me which scientific principles are being sufficiently violated that give you the right to call this “fake science” and “scientism”. Then tell me what you THINK “blind faith” means because I don’t think it means what you think it means.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            none of the “research” has been repeated and verified ……….. it violates reality and common sense ……… gender is a BINARY …..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            So you can’t tell me which scientific principles are being being sufficiently violated that allow to to call this “false science” or “fake science”. Thank you. I’ll just continue to leave it in the hands of the people who study these things and are qualified to make the judgements on it. You, on the other hand, can stick to your blind faith.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ummm …. I JUST DID ….. it is NOT REPEATABLE ……….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            It’s not repeatable? Are you saying there was only one transgendered person and there will be no others, ever?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            that is not science ……… that is just gibberish ……..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Well, tell me what you’re talking about then. What isn’t “repeatable”?

          • mr goody two shoes

            Sin does not depend on what a person believes to be sin. I can believe by murdering some one I’m saving the world from that evil person. But its still sin .

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Well you cannot arbitrarily label things “sin” when you have no religious basis or any other basis to do so. I know it isn’t mentioned in your Bible.

          • David M. Mullbock

            Actually, in the OT, for a man to wear women’s clothing was a capital offense.

          • ppp777

            ” And God gave them over to a reprobate mind ” , hum .

        • Chet

          In that DNA determines gender and such is unalterable, no one ever “transgenders”. Simply snipping here and there and puffing up elsewhere means nothing. A man can lose his private parts via auto accident, cancer or act of war etc., yet, he remains a man forever…

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            You are electing to ignore a mental component. Not sure why.

      • Eldrida Urika

        You are forgetting that Jesus told us that people who do not know the Salvation by repentance story WILL NOT KNOW WHAT SIN IS!!!
        You really should read the gospel Amos, it will open your eyes to a large amount of understanding of God’s Word. Jesus loves us all you know, without exception. Blessings!

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          “Jesus loves us all you know, without exception”

          sure … so what ……. what does that have to do with the topic …… are you a universalist ……

    • bwgirl

      There is no such thing as transgender. You all glorify crossdressers and try to give them special status. What they are is a bunch of people looking to escape who they are.

      I don’t like clowns. Never did. I don’t like Batman or any other man that runs around in tights and masks. Satan Claus wasn’t so hot when I was a kid either.

      • ThroatwobblerMangrove

        Of course there is such thing as transgender.

        • bwgirl

          Only in your minds!

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            No, I am not arguing with science and mental health experts, sorry.

          • bwgirl

            Rom_1:21 Because when they knew and recognized Him as God, they did not honor and glorify Him as God or give Him thanks. But instead they became futile and godless in their thinking [with vain imaginings, foolish reasoning, and stupid speculations] and their senseless minds were darkened.

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            I’m still not listening to some prehistoric text when the science on the matter is proven and settled.

          • bwgirl

            LOL!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            yeah ….. NOPE ………

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            I can always count on you for some airy dismissal which indicates you
            neither understand nor care enough to TAKE the time to understand
            alternate viewpoints. Thanks for that.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i have taken the time ….. that is why they are dismissed as nonsense ………

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            I beg to differ.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            then you are easily fooled …..

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            Pot, meet kettle.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            kettle … meet yourself …….

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            If you’re a science denier, we really don’t have much more to say to one another.

          • ppp777

            Yawn , that old chestnut .

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            Oh, you mean that old truth?

          • ppp777

            ” science , mental health experts ” , now that’s funny .

          • ThroatwobblerMangrove

            There is a brave new world of science out there. You should look into it.

      • Cady555

        Trans people exist. They are worthy of kindness just like all other people.

  • InTheChurch

    He will have the next 20-70 years to be a good and faithful wife.

    • ppp777

      He should be put to death .

  • Jerome Horwitz

    And people are defending this instead of condemning. How telling.

    Just put the remorseless pervert in open population and let nature take its course.

    • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

      Who’s defending him? I don’t see anyone doing that. Of course, a story about a Christian pastor doing the same thing this guy did somehow never finds its way to these pages, does it?

      • Chet

        One calling himself Christian amounts to little difference in one referring to himself as Prince. “By their fruits ye shall know them”…

        • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

          That is the No True Scotsman fallacy.

          • David M. Mullbock

            It’s also a fallacy to say that the stories about such Scotsmen never make it to these pages.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            The No True Scotsman fallacy should probably be called the No True Christian fallacy, since that’s where you see it the most often, when someone starts a sentence with those words.

          • Eldrida Urika

            I know what the true Scotsman Fallacy is, but I’m not sure how you view it in the Christian reference.
            Is it about whether a Christian is truly a Christian or not? And it is often said when another ‘Christian’ has done something against our Lord Jesus Christ’s Word.
            We often refer to Christians who turn their backs on Jesus by that reference meaning they can’t be true believers or they could not have done what they did. It’s said in the bible that we should rebuke our fellow believers when they stray from the straight path, but I doubt this man would listen regardless and is therefore what is a more of a Christian by going to church makes others Christian. There is more than going to church to show your ‘fruits’ and being a good person that we are told to be by Jesus.
            That’s why we sometimes refer to someone in an article saying they are Christian that they are not “true” Christians because they don’t follow what Jesus told us to be like and to do. Plus they go against his Word directly.
            I think that takes away the Fallacy part for Christians. It’s not like saying all Scots like porridge in the mornings, it’s pointing out that they belie the name Christian.
            Maybe this will help you understand that more. Otherwise you are always welcome to ask me for understanding if you want it. I’m always willing to help people understand Christianity better.
            Have a good day! Blessings!

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            It isn’t so much about whether a Christian is truly a Christian, but about whether it is the place of a self-righteous person, let’s use Amos in this example, to make such a claim. Amos isn’t God. He makes his decision about things solely based on his own opinions, and when Amos’s brand of Christianity doesn’t practice something that another sect or group DOES practice and Amos doesn’t like it, he feels that gives him the right to pronounce that person’s authenticity as a Christian. THAT is the No True Scotsman fallacy.

          • Eldrida Urika

            AAAHHH I see now. I can’t disagree with you – I’ve read what he says to people of other religions for a while now. He really believes what he has been told and won’t check the bible to confirm anything to the contrary.
            I guess it’s a belief, just doesn’t make sense to a lot of Christians who use the same Bible. But to each their own, I suppose.
            Thanks for the Reply, appreciate the explanation very much.
            Take care.
            Blessings!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            it is actually the Paint Them All with a Broad Brush Fallacy ……….. it is also a very dishonest SMEAR tactic …………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            It is actually NOTHING whatsoever to do with painting them all with a broad brush. In fact it’s the exact opposite of that. It’s about painting them with a brush so narrow that you refuse to call them Christians (even though they still are).

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope …. it is EXACTLY what you are trying to do …… and you do not even recognize what you are doing ……. “sigh” ………….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            It’s a very well known logical fallacy which you have had the nerve to claim does not apply to Christians when Christians have been known to be the very worst offenders. You need to stop believing your opinion in things is also God’s opinion.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “It’s a very well known logical fallacy ”

            which is a fallacy ……….. Burger King gets to say what is a Whopper and what is not ….. and it is not a QuarterPounder with lettuce and tomato ……..McDonalds gets to say what is a Big Mac and what is not ………. and it is not a BK Stacker with “special sauce” ……… and christians are authorized to say who is and who is not a christian …… and you not being a christian ……….. DO NOT have that authorization …..

            you want to use some silly “very well known logical fallacy” as an attempt to SMEAR christians with a label appropriated by someone who is not but claims to be ……. your “very well known logical fallacy” ……… DOES NOT APPLY ………..

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Your Burger King/McDonald’s farce of an explanation only shows me that you still do not understand the point of the No True Scotsman fallacy.

            I am not smearing Christians. You are. You are the one telling them they are false. If someone tells me they are a Christian I don’t start looking for reasons why they are not. That’s YOU doing that.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “I am not smearing Christians. ”

            yes you are ……….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            You’re smearing them, Amos. You’re telling them they’re false Christians. I’m not doing that. It’s you. All you.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            SCRIPTURE defines who is and who is not ………. Gods word defines who is and who is not ….. not the person who says he is …….. and DEFINITELY not you ………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Scripture isn’t smearing them, Amos. You are.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Again ……. SCRIPTURE defines who is and who is not ………. Gods word defines who is and who is not ….. and who is authorized to judge that ….. and you are not ………

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Scripture isn’t sitting here attacking others as false. You are.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “painting them with a brush so narrow that you refuse to call them Christians”

            NOPE …. GOD and CHRIST made those distinctions …. not men ….. and we have no AUTHORITY to over-ride HIS authority ………

            Matthew
            7:11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
            7:12 Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
            7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
            7:14 Because strait is the gate, and NARROW is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            God and Christ are being worshipped by people you call false Christians but the only reason you have for calling them false is they practice something your church does not. They are not false just because your opinion of something they do.

  • Nidalap

    If this man had been denied entry into the ladies room, this little girl might have avoided this trauma.
    No price too high for the cause, I guess…

    • Bob Johnson

      It wasn’t a ladies room. It was a bathroom in a private home (apartment).

    • Cady555

      He was not in a public restroom.

    • Michael C

      Like with the vast majority of child sexual assaults, this crime was not perpetrated by a stranger in public. Most child sexual assaults are perpetrated by a family member or someone known by the family, often someone who is trusted by the child’s parents.

    • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

      You’ve had several people correct you now, are you going to acknowledge that you got a crucial part of the story wrong?

      • Nidalap

        You’re right, of course. I didn’t read as carefully as I should have. My bad, Coach.
        How’s this then: Perhaps if this girl wasn’t being constantly bombarded with the message that it is morally wrong to automatically distrust someone who suffers this particular delusion, she would have been wary of him and kept a distance from him.
        All the trauma she would be facing now would be being labeled a bigot by a certain segment of society…

      • David M. Mullbock

        Perhaps the girl was erroneously led to believe that this creep was a woman and was thus more easily lured into the restroom? The notion that a person with the XY chromosomal set can be a woman is a falsehood. HE had no business being around children on those grounds alone.

  • Exodus 21:16 dictates the death penalty for kidnappers. Because every rape constitutes a kidnapping, under a biblical law, if convicted, this man should not be put in prison at innocent taxpayers’ expense. He should be put to death expeditiously, per Ecclesiastes 8:11.

    That the innocent (including this child’s parents) are liable for the housing, clothing, feeding, and entertainment of society’s criminals in an unbiblical penal system is but more evidence of the biblically seditious nature of America’s Constitutional Republic. Time to get back to our true biblical foundations as evidenced in 17th-century Puritan America.

    Under the Bible’s juridical system prisons are superfluous. Convicted capital criminals are put to death expeditiously, per Ecclesiastes 8:11. Non-capital criminal are required to pay two to five times restitution (depending upon the nature of the crime) to their VICTIMS, per Exodus 22:1ff, etc. If a thief is unable to pay the required restitution, he’s to be sold into indentured servitude until restitution has been paid, per Exodus 22:3. If he refuses to pay restitution, his contempt of court is a capital crime for which he’s to be put to death expeditiously, per Deuteronomy 17:9-13.

    Perfect, just like King David said it was in Psalm 19:7-11. Under such a system, crime would be all but unheard of and tax-paid-for prisons would non-existent.

    For more on how Yahweh’s triune moral law (His Ten Commandments and their respective statutes and judgments) applies and should be implemented today, see free online book “Law and Kingdom: Their Relevance Under the New Covenant.” Click on my name, then our website. Go to our Online Books page and scroll down to title.

    Then find out how much you really know about the Constitution as compared to the Bible. Take our 10-question Constitution Survey in the right-hand sidebar and receive a complimentary copy of a book that examines the Constitution by the Bible.

    • Eldrida Urika

      You sound like you like the idea of going back to stoning for sins.
      Jesus took all sin judgement, punishment for sin, and condemnation for sin AWAY in the bible. He told us over and over to let the sinners choose not to follow him and let them be punished on Judgement Day. He told us not to bother sinners except to tell them about Salvation by repentance and let them make their own choice to follow or not to follow him.
      The only ones we are supposed to rebuke is the brothers or sisters that sin knowing the Word of God. Those we are to rebuke only because they do already know the ways of how Jesus told us to be. No where does it tell us to rebuke sinners, or shame sinners. Except other Christians.
      He will be judged on Judgement day just as all others and have the same punishment as all sinner who do not repent of their sins. We should be praying for a fellow Christians soul, not judging him as a person who will not change. We don’t know he won’t. Jesus is the only one who does.
      One of the reasons Jesus said not to judge is like this: let the first person here that have no sin to cast the first stone. Anyone who does is a liar and deserves to be stoned as well.

      • Sure, Eldrida, let’s just let this pervert lose to rape more little girls. I wouldn’t be surprised to find out that this little girl’s mother, hopes you’re the first of his next victims.

        You REALLY need to spend some more time in God’s Word because yours it a perverted view of God, His Word, His morality, and His triune moral law (the Ten Commandments and their respective statutes and judgments) as they apply today.

        • Eldrida Urika

          Actually I never said we should leave him to do more.
          I haven’t perverted a word not a word. Everything I say is in the right context in the scriptures.
          I never said ONCE that we should leave a sinner to sin but to tell them the story of salvation so they can be saved by repentance. This is a crime to the local laws so I didn’t have to say anything about that. He’s going to jail and good for him. what I am complaining about it is the attitude that seems to be here thinking it’s ok to be self-righteous because the man is a sinner. We are all sinners.
          Actually Ted, considering you are a minister, you should be reading the bible again and look for what Jesus told us about them. You might find that i am not wrong, you are.
          I know everything I need to know about Jesus because i have read his words over and over and those are the ones that are telling us about Salvation. You on the other hand have mixed the old testament in and are not seeing that Jesus explained everything himself and did not put many things in to his commands. As a matter of a fact, Jesus told us that many sins can be covered by Love. As far as the 10 commandments, Jesus gave us just 2 and those 2 are meant to replace the others in that the 10 is already comprehended in the 2. The first four commandments are within the first of Jesus’ commandment, the last 6 are all within the second commandment that Jesus gave us.
          Love is light, and evil is darkness and all evil is covered by any light so if we have enough love in our lives any sin not repented will be covered by the light of the love in our lives. That’s in scriptures too.
          I have said this before and I’ll tell you the same challenge. Jesus never told us to rebuke non-believers about their sin. It is only the believers we have any right to rebuke because they know the Word and are aware of the consequences so we must help them to overcome their sin and put them back on the right path.
          There is no scriptures that tell us to tell non-believers anything at all but the story of Salvation by repentance and the benefits of being saved.
          We are not supposed to yell at them or bother them unless we know they are believers who are sinning. Anyone else is going to be judged on the last days. I am certainly not saying that people who commit any crimes against another should go unpunished here on earth by the laws of the land, but it is not in our authority to be judge, jury and punisher to the people we think are sinning. Our job is to spread the gospel, not punish people.

          • Eldrida, I would recommend you begin with the following New Testament Scriptures. I think you must have overlooked them in your readings of the Bible:

            “…truth [is] in the law.” (Romans 2:20)

            “Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.” (Romans 3:31)

            “Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.” (Romans 7:12)

            “Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.” (Romans 8:7)

            “Circumcision is nothing, and uncircumcision is nothing, but the keeping of the commandments of God.” (1 Corinthians 7:19)

            “But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully.” (1 Timothy 1:8)

            “And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.” (1 John 2:3)

            “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.” (1 John 3:4)

            “By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.” (1 John 5:2)

            “For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.” (1 John 5:3)

            “And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.” (Revelation 12:17)

            “Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.” (Revelation 14:12)

            Furthermore, you’re a humanist in Christian attire if you think the punishment (or no punishment) for criminals should be determined by humanists rather than God, as dictated in His Word. In many instances, what’s crime as determined by God is legalized (e.g., sodomite “marriages”) by secular government.

            Keep in mind, what makes government secular is it’s rejection of Yahweh as its sovereign and thus His law as supreme. And this who you want to turn judgment over to!?! Get ready, because that same government may someday determine Christianity a capital crime by which some of your posterity might be put to death–thanks to saltless Christians such as yourself who, according to Christ, are good for nothing but to be trampled under the foot of man, per Matthew 5:13.

          • Eldrida Urika

            I’m sorry for the length but I went through your post and answered it a bit at a time.

            It would be nice if you actually read and considered what I write.

            Anything called laws are for the Jews not the Gentiles for one thing. It is clearly said
            in scriptures. Gentiles had not known the laws and they would not put that burden on them.

            There is to be no punishment for anything that is not in Local Laws. Christians have no legal right to punish anyone for a sin that the law does not recognize as a sin.

            Those scriptures look like you are trying to say I don’t love God? I am a Child of God
            and am already guided by the Holy Spirit for the things in God’s Word: you know like things you have been taught will all come to mind by the Spirit. [scripture]

            There are the laws to be followed by God that are not legal to punish for their sin,
            like it or not. If you punish anyone by stoning them you will go to jail.

            I go by God’s Word, specifically the Gospel at all times. Everything I say is able to be found in the Gospel scriptures.

            I have not said anything about them not being punished – it’s just not until God makes
            His judgement on the sinner. Until then only the sins considered punishable by the law of the land are punishable at all.

            Homosexuality, transgender, they are sin to Christians but not to nonbelievers. We are
            supposed to TEACH people about Salvation when we see there is a need. We are
            not supposed go against God’s Word that tells us that we are not to treat anyone wrong for a sin as we are ALL sinners.

            Jesus gave us no authority to judge, punish, or condemn sin – any sin except the ones
            that are local Law. It’s in the scriptures.

            The Bible is written for believers in Jesus. The things in it pertain to Christians that believe. It is a Manual to live good Christian lives. We have to live like Jesus and let others see our goodness. The people who do not believe must be sure to know the complete story of Salvation by repentance, or they will not understand sin according to the Bible. It explained that someone who does not know about being saved by repentance then they don’t understand what sin is, and our jobs as Christians is to teach the ones that do not know it. That’s in the scriptures too.

            That’s the Love Jesus wants us to have and show to everyone.

            Rebuking and helping each other overcome sin is about the believers, not the unbelievers. Except when asked.

            I think the Christians should start standing up for Our Jesus and for every display they take off public/governmental land, 3 should go up on private land. It may not be snarled in the government/Christian problems, but it sure can spread the Word around if it is worded properly and if it is placed properly as well. It’s up to Christians to promote Jesus in a way. There are so many out there that still do not know the Bible and putting up signs on private land is spreading it likely than on the governmental buildings. I will explain; the people who walk through the government areas that display things barely acknowledge them in their walk past them. They know they are there but it is not necessary to check that information.

            If
            it is in a neighbourhood or a private store it will be seen by more than just
            the places they currently do.

            Yeah about the government thing you mentioned, I trust God and that means if he is
            changing the government there is a reason. It’s not that I think I know that reason, it’s the fact that it is GODs alone. So if you want to protest fine, but don’t be thinking God doesn’t have control over anything that happens.

            Remember all things must happen before the He can come to get us.

            Keep in mind, what makes government secular is it’s rejection of Yahweh as its sovereign and thus His law as supreme. And this who you want to turn judgment over to!?! Get ready, because that same government may someday determine Christianity a capital crime by which some of your posterity might be put to death–thanks to saltless Christians such as yourself who, according to Christ, are good for nothing but to be trampled under the foot of man, per Matthew 5:13.

            You see, this is the kind of incorrect judgement you can make by basing it on too little evidence.
            I am knowledgeable of what the Gospel says in every way but I guess you only see me when I am disagreeing with you.

            This is very rude to someone you know follows Jesus and therefore as a sister of faith.

            Jesus told us to treat everyone the way we want to be treated, and those of us in Faith are supposed to special to others who believe. And just as Jesus pointed out, we are not able to judge others from the inside that is why we are supposed to be known by our fruits. I haven’t seen any of the fruits of the Spirit in your post. All you seem to want to do is criticize someone you only know what the media is saying and making it seem like his sin is a whopper when all sin is the same when it comes to punishment, but it is only Jesus that can see the person’s heart – NOT US – which means that you have no way of knowing what Jesus does and He will use it in his judgement when it is time.

            You don’t have a clue what I know and what I don’t know. I can tell you that if you don’t know about the scriptures that I have talked about then I suggest you read your Bible New Testament again. They are all there every one.

            I follow Jesus closely, I know what He said. So if there is any problem with me being an ummm saltles Christian, you should really know who you are talking to before you demean them in public.

            If it’s not in the Bible, it is not the truth.

  • BravesFan

    Maybe, just maybe, they should have re-thought being “family friends’ with this depraved individual.

  • Trisha Hubbard McFarland

    Evil flourishes when Christians do nothing! 🙁