NC Gov. Seeks to Settle Suit by Allowing ‘Transgenders’ to Use Restrooms Aligning With ‘Gender Identity’

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RALEIGH, N.C. — The Democratic governor of North Carolina has submitted a consent decree allowing “transgender” residents to use the restrooms that align with their “gender identity” in an effort to end a lawsuit filed by the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) over the matter.

“The executive branch defendants, in their official capacities, and all successors, officers, and employees are hereby permanently enjoined from enforcing Section 2 of H.B. 142 to bar, prohibit, block, deter, or impede any transgender individuals from using public facilities under any executive branch defendant’s control or supervision, in accordance with the transgender individual’s gender identity,” the decree reads in part.

As previously reported, in March 2016, the ACLU filed a lawsuit to challenge H.B. 2, also known as the “bathroom bill,” which required that those who identify as the opposite sex present their amended birth certificate before being permitted to use their preferred restroom when visiting government facilities.

While the law was later replaced by H.B. 142, which prohibited municipalities from passing any new laws surrounding restroom use until 2020 and instead gave the power to the state, the ACLU and its complainants found the legislation to be insufficient.

Cooper and state Attorney General Josh Stein therefore submitted a consent decree on Thursday in an effort to settle the lawsuit. The decree would essentially reverse H.B. 2 in that it would allow those who identify as the opposite sex to freely use the restroom that correlates with their “gender identity” without showing a birth certificate.

“For too many reasons, it is not in our state’s best interest to remain in drawn-out court battles that still linger because of H.B. 2,” Cooper said in a statement. “As a state, we need to work together to make North Carolina more welcoming, and I am pleased that we could come together with the other party in this case to show that we agree.”

Cooper also signed an executive order on Wednesday, which prohibits discrimination against residents on the basis of “sexual orientation” and “gender identity.” It mandates that those who contract with the state do not have policies in place that “discriminate” against homosexual and transgendered persons.

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“State agencies, boards, commissions, and departments under the jurisdiction of the office of the governor will not adopt policies or regulations barring, prohibiting, blocking, deterring or impeding any individual who lawfully uses public facilities under their control or supervision, in accordance with that individual’s gender identity,” the order also reads.

However, the North Carolina Values Coalition characterized the governor’s moves as a “betrayal” against residents and a usurpation of power only allotted to the legislative branch.

“The governor’s and attorney general’s actions today constitute a massive power grab, with sweeping changes that only the legislative branch has the authority to enact,” said Executive Director Tami Fitzgerald.

“After signing into law earlier this year HB 142, which kept in place longstanding laws that required that showers and bathrooms be used in accordance with one’s sex on their birth certificate, Governor Cooper has betrayed the people of North Carolina with an executive order that not only allows boys and men into girls’ and women’s showers and bathrooms, but also forces private businesses to adopt sweeping LGBT special rights,” she stated.

Lt. Gov. Dan Forest also disagreed with Cooper’s actions, remarking in a statement, “While I take at face value the Governor’s intent to help transgender people use the bathroom of their identity, his order creates a legal loophole that will be exploited by non-transgender pedophiles, stalkers and perverts.”

“All bathrooms at state rest areas, parks and museums will now be fertile ground for sexual deviants who will falsely claim to be transgender to gain protected access to our women and children,” he lamented.


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  • Michael C

    In all of North Carolina (as well as the majority of other states), it’s perfectly legal for businesses to deny employment, housing, and service at stores and restaurants to gay and transgender men and women. This means that a restaurant is free to refuse service to a transgender man, or for Walmart to fire an employee just because she’s gay, or for an apartment complex to refuse to rent to a gay person.

    Christians are protected from this sort of discrimination everywhere in the country.

    This isn’t a “bathroom bill.”

    It’s the same civil rights legislation that protects Christians, and black people, and women, etc. from discrimination in employment, housing, and public accommodations.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      there is no “civil right” to be depraved …….. that is a lie that this is a “civil rights” issue ……

      “Christians, and black people, and women, ”

      AGAIN …. trying to conflate depravity with race and other factors …. and just more lies ……..

      • Michael C

        A growing percentage of our great nation disagree with you.

        A growing number of US citizens believe that gay and transgender women and men deserve the same protections from discrimination that you enjoy on the basis of your religious beliefs.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          “A growing percentage of our great nation disagree with you.”

          A growing percentage of our great nation agrees with a lie ……. SO WHAT ……..

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          At one time, a growing number of citizens believed a black man was sub-human. You really want to go there?

          • Michael C

            At one time, a growing number of citizens believed a black man was sub-human. You really want to go there?

            Yes. At one time (not too long ago) we, as citizens of the United States, had the argument over whether or not it should be legal for businesses to deny black people employment, housing, and public accommodations.

            Now we’re having the same discussion about whether or not it should be legal for businesses to deny gay and transgender people employment, housing, and public accommodations.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No one is denying homosexuals from anything. It’s Christians who are being persecuted yet you keep repeating the same gay activist talking points you’ve been trained to bark.

          • Michael C

            You’re claiming that gay people don’t face any discrimination in employment, housing, or public accommodations in the US?

            have a nice day.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Michael C, you are going off on an hysterical tangent about imaginary cases in your brain while avoiding the topic of who first introduced intrusive bathroom laws and why. Why are you so fixated on who uses which bathroom? It’s none of your business. Quit trying to legislate every one’s move.

            Oh, and if you’re so interested in discrimination, I’m sure you’re going to be loud and proud about the Christians who were persecuted in a coffee shop by the militant gay owner.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            The law discussed in this article requires transgender people to bring their BIRTH CERTIFICATE with them to use the bathroom.

            We’re the ones “fixated on who uses which bathroom”?
            We’re the ones “trying to legislate every one’s move”?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            And why is that? Because libs decided to try to regulate people’s bathroom habits. How sick is that?

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Okay then, let’s not regulate people’s bathroom habits. I’m all for that. Let’s let people use the bathroom corresponding to their gender identity without them having to produce documentation.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            use the fire hydrant with the rest of the dogs ………

          • Lark.62

            You know who else associated people with “dogs” to dehumanize them, paving the way for greater atrocities?

            Hint. They put up signs in their stores that said “We don’t serve jews or dogs.”

            That’s some fine company you’re keeping.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            hmmm ….. if a person does not care which facility they use ….. and are confused about which SEX they are …… then WHY should they be allowed disrupt everyone elses lives with their confusion ….. they are ACTING like dogs who do not care ….. a nearby tree or fire hydrant is just as good ……….. and YOU want to CODDLE their MENTAL ILLNESS …… if a person who suffers from ANOREXIA or BULIMIA wants to go on a diet and they are grossly under weight …… you would encourage them? ……….. ARE YOU SERIOUS? ……….. mental illness is NOT to be encouraged ………… get your head out of that dark, dank place you seem to have it placed ……………

          • Lark.62

            I treat people with compassion and respect, and I do not go out of my way to make other people’s lives more difficult.

            This is especially true when the matter does not concern me or harm me in the least.

            Of course, I’m not a christian.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “I treat people with compassion and respect, ”

            and catering to their mental illness IS NOT doing that …………… and the fact is …. THEY are making EVERYONE ELSES lives more difficult …………… and the harm is obvious ….. unless you are oblivious …………. and of course you are ….. as you have no compassion for their plight nor any desire for them to be well in body, mind and spirit ……..

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s what’s been happening for decades til the government got involved.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Okay…..so you agree with me that laws that would restrict people’s bathroom use to that of the sex listed on their birth certificate (like NC’s law, HB 2, that started off this whole mess talked about in this article) should be done away with?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I agree that there is no need for any kind of bathroom bill to begin with. NC’s bill was in response to over-regulation by the Democrats.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Okay…..give an example of this “over-regulation” by Democrats you keep talking about then. All of the laws I’ve heard about are ones intended to keep trans people out of bathrooms.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The one that started it all.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            That doesn’t tell me a darn thing. What exactly is “the one that started it all”?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The original regulation that the Dems introduced.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Yeah, the one that you apparently couldn’t tell me anything about, but I found in like 10 seconds….that one.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You need to re-read your own posts and mine. You are confused.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            OK, I looked a little more into it myself. I guess what you’re talking about must be this: “(Charlotte’s) Ordinance 7056, a non-discrimination ordinance prohibiting discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity in public accommodations or by passenger vehicles for hire or city contractors.”

            Personally, I don’t see how a law prohibiting discrimination is “over-regulation.” Especially since that I believe that that particular kind of discrimination should be prohibited.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            People have been using bathrooms for decades without the government getting involved.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Yes….and trans people have been discriminated against without the government getting involved.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No they haven’t. Most people had no clue who was using what bathroom until the government got involved. Most trans people have been quietly going about their business for years.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            If that’s the case, then why not just let the anti-discrimination law stand, get rid of the “bathroom bills”, and let them continue doing….er, I mean, going about their business?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Tell that to the libs who began with this bathroom nonsense because they want pedos and rapists (talking specifically about deviants and perverts here) to have access to women and children. There was no need for them to introduce a bathroom law.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Most of these bathroom laws I’m aware of are ones introduced by conservatives, intended to regulate who can and can’t use what bathroom, so I don’t know what you are talking about. The rest of that is pure slander. Transgender does not equal rapist or pedophile.

            And the need to introduce anti-discrimination laws is (oddly enough) because of discrimination. Of course, you’re probably just fine with that particular kind of discrimination….

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Naw, the first bathroom law was an Obama thing. Also, re-read my post. I never called trans folk rapists or pedos. I called rapists and pedos rapists and pedos. Those are the people who are using the bathroom law to gain access to women and children. Trans folk quietly did their business for decades without the government getting involved.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Okay, I was wrong, you’re not calling trans people that…but, you’re wrong about the history, though. I just looked it up…I counted nine states that had anti discrimination laws covering gender identity before Obama was in office, and what’s more, ALL of them have reported NO incidents related to the laws.

            I alluded to it before, the fact is that by far most cases of sexual assault are by someone known to the victim.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No laws were as invasive as the Obama administration’s bathroom laws. Do you really want the government to tell you where to do your business?

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Did you even read what I said?

            No laws were as invasive as the Obama administration’s bathroom laws.”

            Which laws exactly?

            “Do you really want the government to tell you where to do your business?”

            No. I want the government to tell businesses that are public accommodations that they can’t tell me where to do my business.

            What is more “invasive”, a law that does that, or a law that would conceivably require transgender people to produce their birth certificate to use their preferred restroom?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Do you support unisex bathrooms then?

            Do you think that businesses were legislating bathroom use before? (other than designating which were male and female or unisex restrooms)

            The law that required birth certificates was in response to the Obama government law. We would have none of that if the Dems didn’t decide to try to legislate perversion (again, not talking about trans folk. I’m talking about rapists and pedophiles who use that law for easy access to their prey).

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “Do you support unisex bathrooms then?”

            If a business or whatever wants to have them, that’s their prerogative, and I have no problem with it. It’s not like that is anything new, anyway. Surely you’ve seen a “family restroom” in a mall or something.

            “Do you think that businesses were legislating bathroom use before?”

            Obviously not, because only the government can legislate. But were there cases of businesses and such denying trans people access to restrooms? Uh, yeah, a few cases I’m aware of that went to the SC, even…so you cannot tell me it’s all been trans people using the bathroom as they please and everything was hunky-dory till Obama and the big bad liberals came along and stuck their noses into things. That’s just not the truth.

            “The law that required birth certificates was in response to the Obama government law.”

            That was a Charlotte city ordinance, not an “Obama government law.”. Unless you’re talking about something else I’m not aware of.

            “rapists and pedophiles who use that law for easy access to their prey)”

            I already talked about how that is a myth. Even if you don’t believe the evidence I’ve given (the states that have shown no problems with it), you haven’t shown me anything that would prove otherwise.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You are right about unisex bathrooms. They exist and have existed in hospitals, malls, etc. for years with nary a problem. They typically have single stall usage with locks on each individual stall, and doors that come all the way down to the ground and up to the ceiling so t hat no one can peer under or over.

            Problems were only reported after the Obama bathroom bill. Why is that? And why put the focus on trans folk who typically don’t like such attention?

            Trans folk were quietly going about their business for years.

            The government does not belong in the bathroom nor should they attempt to legislate matters as personal and individual as bathroom habits. It’s sick, invasive, and completely unnecessary.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “Problems were only reported after the Obama bathroom bill”

            No, because, for one thing, there is no such thing as “the Obama bathroom bill”, as I have now explained several times. If I am wrong, then tell me the exact law you keep talking about.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            justice DOT gov/opa/file/850986/download

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Okay, that’s a letter talking about how to apply Title IX to transgender college students. From 2016. (and since withdrawn by the Trump admininstration) You’re seriously going to tell me that NO transgender people had ANY problems with bathrooms anywhere before that?

            Oh, and there were “bathroom bills” (as in, laws restricting bathroom use) introduced by states before that letter.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I’ll wager you can find more tales of trans folk troubled since Obama’s stand on bathroom usage than you can prior to government meddling.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I still don’t understand how an anti-discrimination law is “meddling”.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You’re kidding, right? It’s falsely labelled as an anti-discrimination law, but all it does it clears the way for pedos and perverts (not talking about trans folk) to gain easy access to victims. The government doesn’t need to get involved in legislating bodily functions.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            ‘all it does it clears the way for pedos and perverts (not talking about trans folk) to gain easy access to victims.’

            Then why did those states I talked about report no problems related to their anti-transgender-discrimination laws?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            What do you mean?

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Stories like these:

            Experts — including law enforcement officials, government employees, and advocates for victims of sexual assault — in states and cities with LGBT nondiscrimination laws have debunked the “bathroom predator” myth, calling it baseless and “beyond specious.” None reported incidents where sexual predators had taken advantage of LGBT nondiscrimination protections. [Media Matters, 3/20/14]

            The Washington Blade contacted law enforcement officials in
            Washington, D.C., Delaware, and Maryland — all of which have LGBT
            nondiscrimination laws — to ask if the “bathroom predator” myth had
            come true. Law enforcement officials reported that their civil rights
            laws hadn’t been linked to any crime. A public information officer with
            the Baltimore Police Department called the “bathroom predator” talking point “the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard.” [Washington Blade, 3/31/16]

            PolitiFact North Carolina investigated claims made by Equality NC’s
            executive director, Chris Sgro, who said that many large cities have
            LGBT nondiscrimination protections and that there “have not been any public safety issues in those other communities.” According to
            PolitiFact North Carolina’s research, there haven’t been a single case of someone using transgender nondiscrimination laws as a cover for criminal activity. [North Carolina Politifact, 4/1/16]

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            a.) Media Matters is a Soros lib operation, steeped in prejudice and not fact. It’s not a reliable source.

            b.) Your other “sources” are equally unreliable.

            Bathroom attacks have gone up since the government meddled in bathroom law. Do you really want the government to tell you how to manage your bodily functions?

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “Bathroom attacks have gone up since the government meddled in bathroom law”

            Evidence?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            christianpostDOTcom/news/transgender-bathroom-policies-have-led-to-21-cases-of-crimes-against-women-family-research-council-175138/

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I have not even looked at that yet, but I’ll just say, that’s a source at least as if not more biased than any I cited.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why do you hate Christians so much?

          • TheKingOfRhye

            What are you even talking about?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Your immediate dismissal of a compilation of statistics simply because they are quoted on a Christian site.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I dismiss that not because it was on a Christian site, I dismiss it because their source was the notoriously anti-LGBT Family Research Council. If you’re going to dismiss the sources I used, I can certainly dismiss that one.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You know you can look up each individual case in the news, don’t you? And a Christian site is not a propaganda site funded by George Soros for anarchy.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Okay, I looked some of them up.

            “Man Tried To Film Girl In Target Dressing Room In Palatine”….nothing to do with transgender bathroom policies. The news story showed pictures of the suspect and he obviously was no transgender person.

            “Security Guard Arrested For Removing Man From Women’s Bathroom”…harassment of a trans person. What is that even doing here?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            This proves my point exactly – the first case is a man who was NOT trans, using the trans law to gain access to victims. That’s what I’ve maintained the law is about all the time. It has very little to do with trans folk.

            The second case proves my point again. Why in the world was a non-trans person doing in a woman’s bathroom? He merely claimed to be trans, but he clearly was not.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            No, it doesn’t prove your point, because if the guy was trying to exploit the law, why was he clearly not even trying to look like a trans person?

            The other story, the person was apparently trying to do nothing but use the bathroom.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s exactly the point. The law states that anyone can enter any bathroom of his/her choice. It really isn’t anything to do with trans folk.

            The second story proves the guy wasn’t trans because he was dressed just like any other guy, bearded and all. Strange behavior for someone who identifies as a woman, no?

          • TheKingOfRhye

            You must have that second story mixed up with another one, because that didn’t sound like the same one. This was about a trans woman who was kicked out of the women’s room by a security guard. I thought, by what you had said earlier, that you would be against that sort of thing.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Nope. It was a guy dressed as a guy who later claimed to be trans. Trans folk usually dress like the sex they identify with when using public bathrooms. Perverts don’t.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            No, you’re thinking about another story perhaps. This was the one about a trans woman named Ebony Belcher in Washington DC.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            No I’m not. It was widely reported here in Canada.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Well, for one thing, I didn’t read anything (after reading several stories on the incident) that said anything about how she was dressed. Also, just going by the fact that she’s called Ebony, I’d guess she didn’t just now “claim to be trans”.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            He was a man, dressed as a man, with a full beard. Hardly sounds credible.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            You’re either thinking of a different story still, or making stuff up. I saw multiple pictures of the person in question, and there was not a single one where she had a beard.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Actually, I believe you are the one who is confused.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Then point me to a picture of Ebony Belcher with a beard, or show me where the incident was “widely reported” like you described it. (conservative outlets calling her a man don’t cut it, because some of them will say that about any trans woman)

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            The person in question isn’t named Ebony Belcher. This person never had his name made public (and had previously used the men’s washroom moments before switching to the woman’s, where he was not even using the facilities but just hanging out there).

            Ebony Belcher is an American and that incident happened in the U.S. No wonder you’re confused.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            The story I was talking about was the one reffered to in the FRC’s pdf with the headline “Security Guard Arrested For Removing Man From Women’s Bathroom”. That is the Ebony Belcher story. I’m not sure which one you’re talking about.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            I specified that I was talking about a Canadian case and you seemed to acknowledge that.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Well, you must have misunderstood me. You said “it was widely reported in Canada”, but that was the closest thing I ever saw. I was referring to the Ebony Belcher case all along.

            Interesting, though, I looked at that “christianpost” link you posted a while back, and they talked there about “a list of 21 cases”, while the FRC list they refer to actually has 23. Maybe that’s their way of acknowledging that that one doesn’t belong (along with something else, I guess)

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Or that they covered different stories at different times.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            christianpost said there was 21, and the link was to a list that had 23. Either they weren’t counting all 23 for their purposes, or 2 were added.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why would it be more beneficial to their benefit to subtract 2 people?

          • TheKingOfRhye

            The Christianpost story said “21 attacks on women” or something to that effect. Maybe they felt two of the 23 stories on the FRC list didn’t qualify as “attacks on women”.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Oh, also, I saw a survey of transgender people in Washington DC where 70% of them reported denial of access and/or physical or verbal harassment in restrooms. So it hasn’t been all “quietly doing their business”.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That doesn’t mean it’s true. Lots of people claim lots of things.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Provide the story please. I’m sure you can be disproven fairly quickly.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            See my other posts.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Christians are not persecuted in North America.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Sure they are. Jailed, lost businesses, etc. Stop making up stories and stop with the intolerance and victim blaming.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Guess why they were jailed and lost their businesses. For persecuting people.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            It’s not persecution for a Jewish deli owner to refuse to make a ham sandwich.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            It is persecution, however, to say “I’m on a diet, therefore you can’t have this cookie.”

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            First of all, that’s not even what’s happening here, and second of all, you’re a snowflake if you think a cookie is persecution.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            “I disagree with this, therefore you should not be allowed to do it” is never going to fly. Kim Davis learned that the hard way.

            “I’m on a diet, therefore you can’t have this cake”. Better?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That’s not logical. What’s really going down is the gaystapo is trying to force Christians to violate their faith, just like forcing a kosher deli to make a ham sandwich.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            If the law says you can get married and Kim Davis says you can’t because of her religion, tell me who is trying to force whose hand. And please be honest for once.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Actually, Kentucky law said otherwise, but let’s pretend what you said is true. Here’s logic (or lack thereof) according to you: If the law says you can treat a black man like a sub-human, but one’s conscience says no because of a higher law, tell me who is trying to force whose hand. And please be honest for once.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            But the law doesn’t say you can treat a black man like a sub-human. And what you’re doing is saying your faith overrides the law. I think you need to re-read that bit in your Bible about rendering unto Caesar, because you don’t get special permission to override the law when you don’t like it because of your religion.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That was an actual Supreme Court ruling at one time. I’m not surprised you don’t know anything about history.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            You are a famous goalpost-mover. We aren’t talking about history then, we’re talking about what’s going on now.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            If you’re going to adopt new identities, you’re going to have to come up with new terminology. 😉

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Good advice. Now give it to someone it applies to, Matthew.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            ??

          • David M. Mullbock

            Big difference in denying the humanity of a race and insisting on other human beings not degrading their humanity with their sexual/gender disorientation.

          • james blue

            Well a fair number of people on this comment section appear to consider tg people to be “sub human”

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Stop projecting.

        • Jerome Horwitz

          “A growing percentage of our nation disagree with you.”

          Liar.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Okay, got any numbers to back up your accusation that that was a lie?

          • Jerome Horwitz

            That’s what you should be asking Michael. Not me.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Well, without knowing it for sure myself, I’d guess Michael is right. That would go along with the growing acceptance of LGBT in general (just look at opinion polls on same sex marriage over the last 10-20 years and how that has changed.)

          • Jerome Horwitz

            No, Michael is lying.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            And you are basing that on what exactly?

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Copping out on providing info. But it’s OK for you to call him a liar. Nice.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Yeah, whenever I try to pin him down on where he’s getting something from, I don’t even get an answer.

          • Jerome Horwitz

            Michael was the one who made the statement, not me. But you want me to back up what I said instead?

            Don’t have to prove a negative. Sorry, chief.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Normally when you call somebody a liar you should be providing proof, otherwise you’re not much different from a child on a bus making rude comments to passersby out the window.

    • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Your obsession with who uses what bathroom is creepy.

      • TheKingOfRhye

        It seems to me that the people who are favor of these “bathroom bills” are the more obsessed ones. They’re the ones telling other people what bathroom they can or can’t use, after all.

        • Jerome Horwitz

          Uh….yeah.

          If you think biological men belong in a restroom specifically designated for biological females, there’s a problem. With you.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            It’s just like I was saying though….who’s “obsessed” here? The guy who’s okay with people using the bathroom they feel more comfortable in, or the guy who just has to know if people have the “proper equipment”.

          • Jerome Horwitz

            So are you saying that if a man identifies as a female, carrying only that distinction, he should be able to go into the ladies’ room in the name of comfort?

            This is a yes or no question.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Oh, well since you put it that way, the obvious answer is OF COURSE NOT!

            ……no, I’m being sarcastic. Of course I say yes. What did you think I’d say?

            But what do you mean by “carrying only that distinction”, though?

          • Jerome Horwitz

            A non-answer. As I expected.

            You creepy, godless sickos cannot even answer a yes or no question.

            Just what the hell is the matter with you?

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Read that again. I answered it.

          • Jerome Horwitz

            Liar. You evaded by playing both sides.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            The first sentence was sarcasm. I thought that was obvious when I said “I was being sarcastic.”

          • Jerome Horwitz

            Stop. You were evading.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            And I thought I was bad at picking up on sarcasm….

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Careful what you wish for, bucko. If you want these things to be regulated by the type of genitalia people were born with, how are you going to feel when a man who identifies as a woman (but still has the gents’ tackle) stands next to you at the urinal?

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          The first legalizations were made by those trying to get men into little girls’ bathrooms. Talk about obsession.

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          if you are not obsessed …. there is a convenient fire hydrant outside ….. i mean if you really do not care where you go ……

      • Jerome Horwitz

        Michael is mentally ill. He thinks men should be able to identify as anything they want at any given time, for any reason at all. At the expense of others.

      • Lark.62

        If you care about honesty, google “trans women images” and look at those people. They are just people. And sometimes they need to use a public restroom.

        They will be in danger if they go into a men’s room. The documented rate of assaults on trans women is extremely high. No one is in danger if they go into a ladies room. The number of assaults by trans people in public restrooms is Zero.

        Those are the options.
        No one in danger
        or
        People you think are yucky in extreme danger.

        “By their fruit shall ye know them.” “As you have done to the least of these, you have done so unto me”

        • cadcoke5

          We havce separate facilities for a reason. And when nearly all the Men’s and Women’s toilets were installed, and their signs put up, the words meant actual gender. Not, some re-definition of the words.

          To give an example, if there is a “No Trespassing” sign on a property, if you are not the owner, or have permission by the owner to go onto the property, you can be charged with trespassing. Now, if you just imagine that you are an owner, you can still get charged with trespassing. Well…. at least for the moment. Who knows about tomorrow.

          Likewise, a man, who thinks he is a woman, who goes into the women’s bathroom is appropriately charged with voyeurism.

        • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          No one is disputing that trans people need to use the restroom. What I am disputing is government getting involved. Trans people have been using the bathroom without any interference from government for decades.

          • Lark.62

            Yes. And this worked just fine.
            Let everyone decide for themselves which restroom to use. “Mind your own business” works well.

            It was christians freaking out about “think of the poor little girls” who passed laws telling trans people which restroom they must use.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Actually, it was libs and pedos who decided to legislate this, thus making it okay for any pervert (I’m talking specifically about pedos and rapists) to walk into any bathroom. This has nothing whatsoever to do with Christians or trans folk.

    • Jerome Horwitz

      You misogynistic moron.

      There is NO RIGHT to mental illness. If there were, there’d be no psychiatric hospitals, no psychiatric wards in hospitals, more incidents like what happened recently in Moscow when a crazed stalker attacked a journalist, stabbing her in the neck.

      I simply refuse to entertain mental illness.

      And even if that wasn’t a component, may I remind you of a biological female’s civil right to be able to go use a restroom or dressing room without fear of having their safety and security compromised by mentally ill biological men.

      • Very well said!

        • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

          No, it really wasn’t.

          • Please explain.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            It started when he said “misogynistic” and then called someone a “moron” and then said “mental illness” and went downhill from there.

          • It is a mental illness brought on by being spiritually ill as God tells us in the 1st chapter of Romans.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            It is absolutely nothing to do with mental illness, and if you tried to play that game in a courtroom they would throw your butt out. As they should.

          • Do you believe in God?

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Not the God of the Bible.

          • He is the one and only true living God. Why do you not believe in Him?

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Because the concept is absurd.

          • How so?

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Because there’s no little man in the sky judging us. If there’s a God it’s probably something so complicated we couldn’t begin to imagine it with our limited understanding.

          • God has told us all about Himself in His Holy Word aka The Bible in language so plain a child can understand it.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            You haven’t got any proof that was God. Men wrote the words.

          • The proof that God is real is in His Creation.

          • Dealerdeb1

            TRANS IS a mental illness to date 6 creditable studies John’s Hopkin’s for one, Mayo Clinic research and so on. You are a truth denier.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            I simply don’t believe you’re telling the truth.

          • Maxwell Edison

            1) Seems to me that if you openly display a hatred for women (which is what’s at the center of all this) you have no right to complain if you’re called a misogynist.

            2) Stop trying to gaslight people. Transgenderism is a mental illness. And there’s nothing you or anyone else can say to change that one undeniable fact.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            OK, so when you say that transgenderism is mental illness and that it’s an undeniable fact, so since you’ve openly decided to defy the body of science and medical health on the matter, let’s see what you’ve got. No BS, please. Only scientific research.

          • Maxwell Edison

            We have transanimals. We have a trans six year old girl. We have a trans non-binary alien.

            We also have you on record saying there is no homosexual agenda, so what you think is worth as much as a fart and a can of beans.

          • Dealerdeb1

            John’s Hopkins a venerable TOP research Hospital in the country says it is. Let’s see YOU say it isn’t, they say it is hmmmmmmI’ll take B Bob for the win

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Link please. I don’t believe you.

          • Bob Johnson

            “Transgenderism is a mental illness. And there’s nothing you or anyone else can say to change that one undeniable fact.”

            Assuming that your statement is true, what then? Do we return to insane asylums, execution, electric shock therapy? Reading the Bible to them probably won’t help as they are, according to you, insane – not capable of rational thought. Putting labels, such as, “mental illness” is not a solution only a partial diagnoses. What is the humane, Christian response?

          • Maxwell Edison

            Assuming that your statement is true

            It is true.

            Just say no to red herrings.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            What qualifications do you possess to make that assessment?

          • Maxwell Edison

            1) I answered that question already.

            2) What qualifications do YOU have? You seem to think I need some kind of degree to be able to discern what my own eyes can see, so where’s yours?

          • TheKingOfRhye

            1) You did? I didn’t see it. I don’t think I’ve even talked to you before.

            2) I’m not the one making the judgement here, I’m going with the opinions of most of the psychiatric field.

          • Maxwell Edison

            1) Yes. In this thread. Look for it, because I won’t say it twice.

            2) Evasion! Answer my question.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I just looked over the entire thread, and I didn’t see where you answered that.

          • Maxwell Edison

            Not my problem.

            You seem to think I need a degree of some kind in order to give an opinion. So, again, for the third time, where’s yours?

          • TheKingOfRhye

            You’re the one that feels qualified to classify an entire group of people as mentally ill, not me. I’m merely doubting your judgement, since the opinion of much of the psychiatric field appears to say otherwise. Have you ever heard of the concept of “burden of proof”? I’m not the one making the claim here, YOU ARE.

            I’ll even come out and say it, since I’m at least honest…no, I have no college degree. If I did, though, I wouldn’t be reluctant to tell people about it for whatever reason.

          • Maxwell Edison

            You’re the one that feels qualified to classify an entire group of people as mentally ill, not me.

            That’s because they are mentally ill. I don’t need a psychology degree to tell me what I can see and hear with my eyes and ears.

            I’m merely doubting your judgement, since the opinion of much of the psychiatric field appears to say otherwise.

            The mental health profession has been severely compromised to the point no longer having credibility. They jettisoned that when they decided to embrace the sexual abuse of children.

            FACT: The American Psychological Association published the infamous Rind study, which said not only do children suffer no long-term effects when they are sexually abused, they may even actually benefit from the abuse.

            FACT: The American Psychiatric Assocation changed pedophilia in their most recent edition of the DSM to a sexual orientation. When this was noticed, the APA said it was a “typo” and reissued the manual “corrected.”

            I’ll even come out and say it, since I’m at least honest…no, I have no college degree.

            Then you have absolutely no business suggesting, implying or anything else that one cannot have an opinion that disagrees with yours unless they have a degree. Qualifications are not relevant.

            Thus endeth the lesson.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “That’s because they are mentally ill. I don’t need a psychology degree to tell me what I can see and hear with my eyes and ears”

            So, I was right. You really do feel that you, without any apparent qualifications in the field, have the ability to deem someone mentally ill, based on basically just looking at them.

          • Maxwell Edison

            That may have something to do with what is called “rational thinking.”

            See, I choose to live in a world called “Reality,” where I understand the difference between right and wrong, moral and immoral, normal and abnormal, and so on.

            You want us to believe that a biological male can wake up one day and decide they are a woman/cat/dog/two-by-four, and not only are we being told this is normal and okay, not only are we being told we have to participate in their inappropriate and nonsensical delusion, but we are also being told that rights must be afforded them based on this crap.

            Even at the expense of others.

            The answer is No.

            If you don’t like that, I can assure you there’s a seat with your name on it on the I-Don’t-Care-What-You-Think Express.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            “You want us to believe that a biological male can wake up one day”

            Obviously, you don’t know the first thing about transgender people. It’s not something they “wake up one day and decide”.

            “…between right and wrong, moral and immoral, normal and abnormal”

            And there we go again….that ALWAYS comes up in conversations like this. Why is being “abnormal” comparable to being “wrong” or “immoral”?

          • Maxwell Edison

            All you did was illustrate my point.

            If you cannot tell the difference there is no further reason to speak to you.

            Have a nice life.

          • Dealerdeb1

            A person with one eye can tell the difference.

          • Lark.62

            FACT: The Rind Study was a paper written by two people published in the Journal of Sex Research. It was not published by the American Psychological Association. It is the subject of much controversy and its major conclusions have not been replicated.

            As you are hopefully aware, one study doesn’t mean much. It is only as more scientists perform additional research that a conclusion begins to be considered valid.

            And the study did not say that “children suffer no long-term effects when they are sexually abused.” It said that children do not all have the same outcome. The study never extended that to a conclusion that sexual assault is okay.

            Example – children who are physically abused by their parents have different outcomes, right? Some kids can shake it off and go on to have a good life, others are debilitated by the abuse. While it would be worthwhile for scientists to explore the reasons for the different outcomes, nobody would say that means it is okay to physically abuse a child.

            If you are going to report FACTs, it would be helpful if they were accurate.

          • Maxwell Edison

            And the study did not say that “children suffer no long-term effects when they are sexually abused.”

            FACT: You are lying.

            I can say this because….

            FACT: In 2016, Bruce Rind published not one, but TWO studies that came to the exact same conclusion as the 1997 study.

            FACT: The American Psychological Association never, even after near unanimous condemnation from the U.S. House of Representatives, disputed or distanced themselves from the study or its authors.

            By the way. Your defense of the Rind study is reminiscent of a guy that was rightly banned from this place that refused to renounce the sexual abuse of children. Whether you are him or not, you are despicable and disgusting and just plain evil.

            Blocked.

          • Michael C

            …reminiscent of a guy that was rightly banned from this place…

            Your current “Maxwell Edison” profile has only existed for three days and appears to have been used to comment primarily (or exclusively) so far on this website alone. Was your prior account (Jerome Horwitz) perhaps banned from commenting here?

          • Maxwell Edison

            Who I am and where I post is none of your business. If it was, my profile would be public. And this is not even about me, unless you actually believe most people here would defend the sexual abuse of children and those that are disgusted are just one specific person.

            To which all I can say is what the hell is the matter with you?

          • Please don’t tell him and keep your profile private or you’ll be stalked and harassed from channel-to-channel.

            God bless brother.

          • Michael C

            Please don’t tell him…

            I never asked this person to divulge any information about themselves.

            …and keep your profile private or you’ll be stalked and harassed from channel-to-channel.

            I understand that some people like to hide their comments and hide the record of websites they visit. Personally, I prefer to allow everyone to see my comment history. I prefer to allow everyone to know the kind of person I am when interacting with me.

            It’s a shame that some people (on both sides) would follow people with the intent of leaving comments to them on other websites. One person in particular from this comment section comes to mind. Following people around and harassing them on other forums is not something that interests me. I simply don’t care enough. This type of thing is what the “block” function is for, though.

            Enjoy your day.

          • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

            Be careful, these are very mean and hateful Atheist.They will do almost anything to hurt Christians. They have bad good Christians banned from this site.i I will be praying for the protection of the Christians on this site including you.
            May God Protect you from these Atheist in Jesus Name.

          • Amen. And thank you for your prayers.

            I’ve had to start premoderating due to the hateful abuse that has lasted for years…yes ma’am you heard me correctly, years They have issued death threats and death wishes and posted vile homosexual pornography in our community. As a result, I now premoderate out of necessity so that the abuse and inappropriate comments no longer post in our community.

            Again, thank you for you prayers. We appreciate them and thank God for you sister.

          • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

            Thank you. I have seen these Atheist be so cruel to Christians that it would make me cry. I will continue to pray for you and all the Christians they hate and abuse through their hate.

          • Dealerdeb1

            FYI being in the field this org has been stacked with LBGT left wingers so even to those in the field it is not considered a great source. Just like the AMA is now a lobby group for big Pharma. Not credible any longer

      • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

        Flagged for name calling which is against the rules and regulations here.

        • Jerome Horwitz

          And because you cannot dispute a single word I said. So you just want my words (and hopefully me) to go away.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            If you can’t discuss like an adult then yes, you should go away.

          • Jerome Horwitz

            Which means what? To agree with you? I’m sorry, but I happen to believe females should be protected, not thrown under the bus for people who are mentally ill.

            You don’t like that? Too bad. Build a bridge and get over it.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            You can say “mentally ill” like a taunting child in a playground all you like. The law and the medical experts know it’s not, and thankfully know how to treat human beings with compassion and not lock them all away in asylums or whatever barbaric torture you want to think up.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Looks like he DID go away.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            REALLY?

    • cadcoke5

      There is no civil right to deceive others about your gender… even if you are also deceiving your own self.

      Although our current society is quickly running away from any sense of morality, there are still limits. For example, if you feel sex should be free and open, if you decide to demonstrate that freedom in front of your house, even if it is still on your own property, you are properly charged with an indecent act. It gets worse if there are any children around.

      And even in terms of employment, if someones ideas of sexual freedom include advocating for permitting sex acts with children, at least so far, our society considers that moral failing to be sufficient to warrant excluding them from jobs. Though, of course, such individuals tend to stay in the closet, and keep such things secret.

      I don’t know how you feel about that kind of job discrimination, but where we will certainly disagree, is if homosexuality is one of those thing that society should consider immoral.

      • Lark.62

        You have no right to know what another person looks like naked.

    • Dealerdeb1

      Recently a straight man was thrown out of a gay restaurant does that count? Went in they said he wasn’t welcome there being a straight man

      • Michael C

        Recently a straight man was thrown out of a gay restaurant does that count? Went in they said he wasn’t welcome there being a straight man

        Just a few hours ago you told me to ignore you and you’d ignore me.

        Discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation is not prohibited in North Carolina so it would be 100% legal for a “gay restaurant” (that’s not really a thing) to refuse service to a straight customer in all of North Carolina as well as the majority of the rest of the United States.

        Regardless, I have the sneaking suspicion that this didn’t actually happen.

        Would you like any more attention or will that enough for today?

  • Ken

    Every detail of daily life gets politicized. That’s what progressives want.

    • james blue

      You do realize you are doing what you accuse progressives of doing?

  • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    And yet another child has been molested in the bathroom by a male who identifies as a woman.

    • Lark.62

      Bringing the total to zero children molested by trans people in public restrooms. Ever.

      If you really cared about the innocent liittle girls at risk of pedophiles, you would do something about the man who bragged about walking through the Miss Teen USA dressing room for the sole purpose of oging partially clothed and naked underage girls. Since you elected that person president, I will conclude you don’t actually give a damn about protecting underage girls.

      The anti trans fear mongering is not about protecting anybody. It is just about hate and domination.

      • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        You are incorrect. Yet another self-identifying trans person just raped a ten year old girl.

        • TheKingOfRhye

          Are you aware that that incident took place not in a public restroom, but in the victim’s home?

          I’m not suggesting that that makes it any “better” somehow, but it means it has nothing at all to do with the issue of public restrooms. You could have the most restrictive “bathroom bill” possible, you could have had DNA tests required to enter all public bathrooms, and it wouldn’t have had any effect on what happened there.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            What difference does it make if it’s a public bathroom or not?

            Bathroom bills were begun by liberals who wanted to see pedophiles and sex offenders get into public bathrooms. It has nothing to do with transgender rights.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            It wasn’t a public bathroom, so it doesn’t have anything to do with this story.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            A bathroom is a bathroom. A sexual assault is a sexual assault. As far as your second statement goes, that’s false, but this isn’t a partisan issue. Sexual assault is wrong no matter who does it.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Like I just said….

            I KNOW what kind of bathroom it was in it doesn’t make it better. But again, it’s not relevant to this story. This was an assault by someone who the victim knew, in her home. (Which describes most cases of sexual assault)

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            It doesn’t nullify the trans aspect.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            So what bearing does the “trans aspect” of that incident have to with this situation? Are you trying to imply that that incident….that ONE incident….means that trans people are more likely to commit sexual assault?

            As I recently saw someone say here….”sexual assault is sexual assault.”

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Do you not realize which article you are commenting on?

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Yes. I am commenting on an article about legislation regarding the use of public bathrooms by transgender people. I fail to understand how a case – a single case, mind you – of sexual assault committed by a transgender person in the victim’s home is related.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            There are multiple cases. This is just one of many.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            The trans aspect is irrelevant. Unless you’d like to tell everyone what you are REALLY thinking, and I think I know what that is.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Why are you so judgmental and hypercritical? Your suppositions are hateful and bigoted. Shame on you.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Going to answer the question?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Reading comprehension problems much, huh?

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            That’s your forte, you tell me.

          • Dealerdeb1

            Why should there be ANY special arrangement for derangement?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            My point exactly.

          • Jerome Horwitz

            The fact we are talking about biological males is not irrelevant.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            So why then are you shining the spotlight on the transgendered specifically? Why aren’t you giving all your attention to those who engage in the act of child sexual assault regardless of who or what they identify as?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            What do you think the topic of the article in question is?

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Then why are you speaking in generalities?

            Did you not JUST say “Sexual assault is wrong no matter who does it”?

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            You seem confused.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            You just keep telling yourself that, then.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            Actually, I was talking to you, not myself, but keep obfuscating.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            You’re trying to convince yourself. Keep trying.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            There goes that projection again.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Your insecurity speaks volumes, but it’s only because you’re incapable of being honest.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            There you go again.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            I’m serious. I don’t think you’ve been honest about a single thing.

          • Guest✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            *yawn*

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            LOL

          • Dealerdeb1

            You’re trying to convince yourself you are a woman dillusional

          • Sandra Lee Smith

            Because that isn’t the topic of THIS story!

          • Dealerdeb1

            No one cares what you think or say period. Time to block your stupid self. IRRELEVENT

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Why even comment here if all you are going to do is call people names?

          • Dealerdeb1

            Firget talking to the liberal LBGT bunch of freakenzoids. They are simply perverts looking for people to say its OK. It isn’t

          • Sandra Lee Smith

            Not what the story said! But even if it was in a private home it SHOWS the danger to the children that MUST not be allowed!

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I don’t know where you read the story, but, like I said, I looked it up (especially since no specifics were provided by anyone here, and it was just mentioned that it took place in a bathroom) and within seconds, found several sources that did say it was in a home. So, the fact that it was in a bathroom is utterly irrelevant, and I suspect only mentioned by the people who brought it up here to mislead people into thinking it was a public one. Or, that they were just misinformed.

            And, again, like I JUST said…..a SINGLE case of a transgender person committing assault does not show anything. Using that kind of “logic”, I could point to ONE example of a man sexually assaulting another man, and say that men shouldn’t use men’s rooms.

          • Bob Johnson

            The Christian News Network story says in paragraph three, “According to reports, Martinez, a friend of the family, invited the girl into the restroom while he was visiting her apartment in March…”

      • Jerome Horwitz

        Bringing the total to zero children molested by trans people in public restrooms. Ever.

        Irrelevant.

        If you really cared about the innocent liittle girls at risk of pedophiles, you would do something about the man who bragged about walking through the Miss Teen USA dressing room for the sole purpose of oging partially clothed and naked underage girls. Since you elected that person president, I will conclude you don’t actually give a damn about protecting underage girls.

        Not only do I find that extremely hard to believe, what does it have to do with anything, and how does it in any way justify the idea if a biological male wakes up one day and decides he is female, that man immediately and automatically has more rights than biological females.

      • You are most obviously an IDIOT!!

      • Dealerdeb1

        Total Bullshit. There have been several cases

        • Lark.62

          Citation please.

          Involving a trans woman, strangers and a public restroom.

          Note – There lots of cases of men invading women’s privacy, including a priest who planted cameras in a church restroom and a certain orange haired man who bragged about walking through the Miss TEEN USA dressing room so that he could look at unclothed girls. There have been cases of men invading a ladies room to make a point. There have been cases of men walking into a restroom to assault a lady who did not look female enough to them. But not one of these pervs were trans women.

          • Dealerdeb1

            You are wrong so Bye Bye I don’t even like liberal idiots who support this perversion so I won’t waste another second of my life on people like you

          • Dealerdeb1

            BTW? The day I even think of caving in to a demand from a pervert I hope someone shoots me. Do your own research

      • Dealerdeb1

        What a bunch of shit

        • Michael C

          Your language and behavior is inappropriate for a Christian website.

  • More pandering to the demonic and mentally ill.

  • Reason2012

    The fascists continue to make victims out of everyone else to legally force everyone else to live in the worldview of those who need mental help that deny basic biology.

  • Croquet_Player

    The funny thing is, transgender people have been using the bathroom with you all along, you just didn’t notice. And you still won’t.

    • Jerome Horwitz

      Prove it.

      • TheKingOfRhye

        So, you’re saying you have the ability to recognize every transgender person you encounter as such?

        • Jerome Horwitz

          No, idiot. Learn how to read.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Well, you asked for proof of what Croquet Player said. Perhaps I misunderstood what you were getting at. Are you disputing that transgender people have been using bathrooms that correspond to their gender identity?

          • Jerome Horwitz

            Yep. Unless CP has been checking the plumbing of every person in the history of ever that has ever entered a restroom, his statement is unprovable and a strawman.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Why do you doubt that, though? Transgender people are nothing new; they’ve been around for a long time. How can you believe that NONE of them have been doing as CP said? You asked for him to prove his statement…well, can you prove the opposite is the truth?

            I’ve personally known a few trans women myself. I never inquired as to what bathroom they went to, but I would assume they used the women’s. For one thing, it would have probably raised more than a few eyebrows if someone who by all outward appearances looks like a woman walked in a men’s room. It would just be easier on themselves and everyone else to use the women’s room.

            Also, “strawman” doesn’t apply here. A strawman argument is one someone intentionally misrepresents the other side’s argument to make it easier to refute.

          • Jerome Horwitz

            Congratulations. You have shown everyone you are stupid.

            Thanks for playing.

            And a strawman is an easily refuted argument regardless of intent.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            What about what I said was stupid, and how? Or, are you just calling me stupid because you’ve got nothing better to say?

          • james blue

            He’s a troll.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            I’m beginning to realize that.

          • Jerome Horwitz

            You came to a Christian website to try to convince us how we are all wrong to believe in biblical truths and standards and yet I’m the troll.

            Go project somewhere else.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Also….

            Straw man: 1 :a weak or imaginary opposition (such as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted. (Merriam Webster)

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            As you know very well, calling people names is against the rules and regulations here. Flagged.

          • Jerome Horwitz

            Sorry, Charlie, but asking a question, getting your answer and then asking the same question again is stupidity, whether you like it or not.

            If you don’t wish to be called out, maybe it’s a good idea to not do anything that is dumb.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            You are allowed to call someone’s statement stupidity. You are not allowed to call them stupid. Were you not banned before for this?

          • Dealerdeb1

            Guess you are a woman today snit snit snit

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            Calling names here is against the rules and regulations. Flagged.

        • Dealerdeb1

          Pretty much they are freaks and they stand out. A man looks like a man a man identifying as a woman looks like a crossdresser.

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Uh huh……if you can honestly look at Ines Rau, for example, and tell me she looks like a crossdresser…..then I guess I don’t know what “crossdresser” means.

    • Dealerdeb1

      Yeah we kinda do and personally when I see one I leave

      • TheKingOfRhye

        Google “Buck Angel” and tell me you’d expect that person to be walking into the women’s room.

        • Dealerdeb1

          I don’t expect that freak of a disgusting woman be anywhere near decent people period much less a man with a Vagina and a partner with one. They are just SICK women in a perverted relationship.Porn stars? More perverted sick sexual freaks

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Of course, you completely evaded my point….

        • Dealerdeb1

          I don’t expect there to be freaks like that period

          • TheKingOfRhye

            Well, I’ve got some news for ya: Sometimes people don’t conform to your expectations.

          • Dealerdeb1

            They can do as they wish so can I so I leave whenever one of the freaks comes near me in a rest room

          • TheKingOfRhye

            You think you’re always going to know who’s transgender and who’s not?

          • Lark.62

            Apart from serial killers, no one actually gets to decide which people live on this planet with them.

            Trans men exist. Trans women exist. You may pine for Leave it to Beaver and Mayberry RFD, but those do not actually exist, and never have.

            Buck Angel and every other trans man and trans woman is a person of worth and value, deserving of basic kindness.

          • Dealerdeb1

            I love my neighbor but don’t have to love their perversion.

    • Dealerdeb1

      I think they are such freaks anyone with a pair of eyes can tell who they are. I leave

      • Bob Johnson

        Deja vu. You made this same response to Croquet_Player yesterday. And with an estimated 1.4 million Untied States adults identifying as transgender, you should plan to leave often.

        • Dealerdeb1

          I don’t plan on going to Target that’s for sure and all your numbers mean is there are over a million very sick individuals. Yup I’ll leave. No place in my life for people I A- have zero in common with B- Can’t believe they think they are normal C- They are sick mentally as Trans is a Mental disorder nothing biological and I don’t have the desire to be around them

          • Michael C

            I don’t plan on going to Target that’s for sure…

            Are you going to go to Walmart instead? K-Mart? Do you honestly believe their policies on the treatment of transgender customers and team members are any different than Target’s?

          • Dealerdeb1

            I never have been inside a Walmart and I don’t shop at K-Mart. I don’t care how many times supporters of perversion try to bait me I wil never waver on my educated opinion that Trans is a mental disorder. These are sick perverted people not much different from sexual predators. Do NOT even begin to tell me there has never been a Trans crime in a public facility.In my opinion [and to me that’s the only one that counts] I avoid because these are sick,perverted people. They add nothing to my life and create problems in their belief people accept this as normal. It isn’t and anyone who claims it is is uneducated PERIOD

      • Croquet_Player

        That’s because you are making a classic error. You think you can spot all transgender people because you can spot a few. Most trans people pass entirely under anyone’s radar and there’s no way you could possibly know. So of course you leave the bathrooms where you think you’ve spotted one, but you don’t leave the bathrooms where you think no one is trans. Maybe your best policy would be to stay home.

        • Maxwell Edison

          “Most trans people pass entirely under anyone’s radar…”

          Why do you feel it necessary to outright lie to make a point?

          The facts are obviously not on your side. Otherwise you wouldn’t say such hokum.

          • Croquet_Player

            I think you might wish to do a bit of research. Because you’re misinformed, and I’m not lying.

          • Maxwell Edison

            Then you’re delusional. Or not sober.

          • Croquet_Player

            No, in fact by suggesting you “do a bit of research”, I’m not asking you to take my word for it. I’m saying you should look it up for yourself. In which case, you’d learn something. Wouldn’t that be nice? Or is it too scary?

          • Maxwell Edison

            What part of NO are you unable to understand?

          • Croquet_Player

            If you’re unwilling to bother to look anything up, fine, but “No” isn’t an argument. You, and everyone else, are going to continue to share public bathrooms with trans people, just like you always have.

          • Maxwell Edison

            “No” is an argument because you are telling people to believe something you cannot prove. Not in any way, shape or form.

          • Croquet_Player

            I’m telling people to go look things up for themselves. That’s the luxury of having the facts on your side. Have fun being paranoid in public bathrooms.

          • Dealerdeb1

            I am not “HOMOPHOBIC” or TRANSPHOBIC” I have no fear of them. I have zzzzzzzzzzzzero in common with them.. I just don’t need their sickness in my life.

          • Croquet_Player

            Are trans people trying to invite themselves over to your house or something? Seriously, how do you imagine anyone getting “in your life” unless you want them there?

          • Dealerdeb1

            I think people simply try to ignore it and are very well awaRE OF THEIR GENDER.

          • Dealerdeb1

            Most trans people will always have the characteristics of their true gender. A woman with men’s structure,is easily noticed as is shoe size,Adam’s Apple,collarbone construct,hip ratio etc. A simple profile look makes them obvious. This is La Cage LOL

          • Maxwell Edison

            You forgot muscle tone. There is a discernible difference.

          • Dealerdeb1

            yeah just look at Moochelle/Michael LOL size 13 shoe? Collarbones set low?Adam’s apple? That pesky little package in her blues dress? IF she isn’t a he then this idiot is right I can’t tell LOL

          • Croquet_Player

            I’ll have to tell my stunning red-head gal pal who’s 6’2 in stocking feet that she’s a man. Because apparently YOU can tell. (Have you never heard of surgery?)

          • Dealerdeb1

            Sugery doesn’t make a man a woman anymore than it makes a woman a man. Mutilation for appearence

        • Dealerdeb1

          I am very observant always have been. My education is a field where I can spot them easily. That being said They can do as they please just stay away from me and kids. PERIOD

          • Croquet_Player

            How are they supposed to do that? Maybe when you go out in public you should wear a little sign. “Trans People – Stay Away From Me”. That would be helpful. Or, since you’re so great at spotting trans people, maybe it’s YOU who should stay away from THEM.

          • Dealerdeb1

            I promise I do

          • Croquet_Player

            Well then, what are you so worried about?

  • cadcoke5

    So, this governor thinks he can veto a law that had already been signed into law. Well, the President of the U.S. can get away with it, so why not everyone else.

  • Jerome Horwitz

    It isn’t a stretch to assume every single person here speaking in defense of mentally ill men in womens’ restrooms don’t care and won’t care if a woman is raped in the restroom as long as it doesn’t get in the way of their agenda.

    • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

      There is no agenda, except the one you keep insisting exists.

      • Jerome Horwitz

        All you are doing is confirming what I said.

        • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

          Right, you are the kind of person convinced there is a gay agenda too.

          • Jerome Horwitz

            Because there is. And anyone who says otherwise is either ignorant or a liar.

            Even Ray Charles can see it. And he’s not only blind, he’s also dead.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            I have gay neighbours. They keep to themselves. They don’t do pride parades. They don’t get in anyone’s face about anything. They live a quiet life. You never seem to talk about those people, Matthew. Why?

          • There is a gay agenda!

          • Dealerdeb1

            There is look at the children’s classes. Liberal morons are trying to inflict abberrant sexual behavior on them in an age inappropriate manner and Vapid lib women think it is a trophy to have a Trans child. Heck at 6-7 years old they don’t ewven have a sexual identity formed unless some idiot over them tries to force sickness onto them Child ABuse

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            It’s not aberrant sexual behavior though, unless you’re a science-denier. And if that’s the case I would ask why you think you know better than the scientific world does. There are people in this world who are gay and they can’t do a single thing about it. I think you need to figure out how to live with that.

          • Dealerdeb1

            I beg to differ. I am well educated on the subject. John’s Hopkins for one declared after a lengthy study TRANS is a MENTAL DISORDER. I as an adult can live with it, Children on the other hand need to have a childhood where they don’t deal with adult sexual choices.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            I can find nothing online stating that Johns Hopkins is of the opinion that gender dysphoria is a mental disorder.

          • Dealerdeb1

            Then you haven’t looked it is a well known study in the field.

          • ThePantomimePrincessMargaret

            There is nothing stopping you from providing it.

          • Michael C

            John’s Hopkins [sic] for one declared after a lengthy study TRANS is a MENTAL DISORDER.

            Tell that to the Johns Hopkins Center for Transgender Health.

    • james blue

      Prove it.

      • Jerome Horwitz

        Your defense is the proof. Case closed.

  • David M. Mullbock

    TG supporters don’t think it should matter what bathroom they use, even if it does upset rational people to have some weirdo who thinks he is a woman using the women’s restroom. But if it doesn’t matter, then they should use the restroom that aligns with their sex, not what they feel like.

  • james blue

    All these female to male TG people with beards should start using the bathrooms the conservatives are demanding they must use to make a point.

    • What in the world is wrong with you?

      • james blue

        Me? You are the one who want’s to put bearded female to male “women” in bathrooms and changing rooms with our daughters and male to female tg people in bath rooms and changing rooms with our sons. Because “by gender on birth certificate” means just that.

        • You are insane.

          • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

            Big time insane.

          • Michael C

            Forcing men like Kingston Farady and Aydian Dowling to use the ladies’ room is insane, in my opinion.

          • Dealerdeb1

            You must be a sick lib

          • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

            Sadly he is.

          • Michael C

            Sadly he is.

            I wouldn’t characterize myself as either.

            Are you a woman?

            How would you react if a man like Aydian Dowling or Kingston Farady followed you into the ladies room?

            It’s a serious question. How would you react?

          • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

            I am a lady in Christ. You have given me a hard times in the past. And I refuse to play your games. I have seen how you treat Bible believing Christians. And I want no part of it. All I can and will say is that you are in my prayers.
            Shalom <

          • Michael C

            I am a lady in Christ. You have given me a hard times in the past. And I refuse to play your games. I have seen how you treat Bible believing Christians. And I want no part of it. All I can and will say is that you are in my prayers.Shalom <

            I apologize if asking you a question made you feel uncomfortable in any way.

          • Maxwell Edison

            What’s that supposed to be?

          • Lark.62

            This is a serious question. Christians are demanding that trans men use the restroom that corresponds to their birth certificate. Even if they have no breasts. Even if they have a beard.

            This is not a game.

            This is people’s lives. It is perfectly fair to ask whether this is actually the outcome you think would be good. So look up the people whose names were given to you. Google “Trans Men Images,” focus on the most average looking man, and think about what you are demanding.

          • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

            I do not trust you and the others you are connected to . But I am Praying for the Christians to be protected from you and the others. I will not make any replies to you or to the others you are connected to.
            Shalom <

          • Dealerdeb1

            I’d leave

          • Dealerdeb1

            Then you are a mentally unbalanced person. This “identifying” BS is a made up in your mind disorder.

          • Michael C

            How many times are you going to respond to a question that was not directed to you? You really don’t need to respond to the same comment more than once (and doing so three days later seems very odd). Did you comment the second time because I ignored you the first time? Hopefully I’ve now given you the attention you desire so you can move on.

          • Dealerdeb1

            Do us both a favor IGNORE me please and I will reciprocate watch! I have no use for anyone who thinks they are neither male nor female. THAT is a mentally ill person beyond my help

          • Dealerdeb1

            unless they have a real penis they don’t belong in the men
            s room capisce`

          • Michael C

            So, if you saw Aydian Dowling or Kingston Farady walking into the ladies’ room, you’d be totally okay with it and you wouldn’t say a thing?

            Is that what you’re telling me?

          • Dealerdeb1

            If I see demonic freaks I leave. No I wouldn’t be OK with being around perverts

          • Michael C

            If I see demonic freaks I leave. No I wouldn’t be OK with being around perverts

            So, you’re not saying that transgender people should use the restrooms corresponding with the sex they were assigned at birth…

            …you’re saying that transgender people shouldn’t be allowed to use public restrooms at all?

        • Dealerdeb1

          Kennedy put a man on the moon Obama put a man in the ladies room

      • Maxwell Edison

        James is tossing out a red herring to justify his hatred of women.

        • Lark.62

          No he is not. This is not a red herring. This is exactly what conservatives are demanding.

          Google “Trans Men Images”. Why do you want a law that requires those people to use the ladies’ room. How does that make your life better?

          • Maxwell Edison

            Google “Misogyny.”

          • Dealerdeb1

            They should have single stall separate unisex/pervert bathrooms for anyone who can’t be what God Made them Capisce`?They don’t belong in a ladies room with a Penis or a men’s room witha vagina. End of story

      • Dealerdeb1

        he’s a sick person that’s what’s wrong with him. Leave it to the experts,block them all don’t give them the time of day

        • I only block people as a last resort and Christ Jesus is the expert that we all need.

    • Dealerdeb1

      what part of Penis or Vagina don’t you understand?

      • james blue

        Don’t think the point could have gone higher over your head if it was written on the voyager space probe.

  • ppp777

    What judgement this country is under .

    • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

      Another question. What will this Nation look like when God’s Judgment on this Nation is finished?

      • ppp777

        Revelation would be a good indicator .

        • LadyInChrist♥BlessedBeTheLord

          The Judgments in Revelation is what this Nation deserves. I just Pray many will repent before it’s too late.

  • NC government are a bunch of PUSSIES!! Now we have the gay agenda being pushed by Disney, now NC caving in to their agenda, what next? These people are not well mentally! They are going way too far, and we are letting them!!! STOP the insanity!!

  • baltogirl

    If you have a PENIS ~ Go to the MENS ROOM to do your nasty business. If you have a VAGINA ~ Go to the WOMENS ROOM to do your nasty business. it is really that simple ~ accept the gender you were born as and stop the crazy shit. or we could have a bathroom for Men 1 for Women and 1 for OTHER? anyone who is confused as to what is between their legs can go to OTHER.

  • Sandra Lee Smith

    WHAT is WRONG with the thinking of these so called “leaders”??? YOU endanger children and women physically and mentally to protect the FEELINGS of a minute precrentage of the population who want to live in a delusion that doesn’t match reality??? NO public restroom will be safe for any woman or child ever in that state! Either they use the BIOLOGICALLY matching restroom or single use restrooms ONLY!

    • Lark.62

      Women and children are not in danger because transwomen use the women’s room. They are not. Transwomen have been using women’s restrooms for decades with no problems. This is nothing more than politicians creating a panic in hopes of increasing the turnout of votes likely to vote for them. That’s it. It’s a voter issue in search of a problem.

      If you are honest, if you value compassion, if you value honesty, google “trans women images” and look at the faces.

      Look in their eyes. Those are people. Regular, ordinary people who struggle with something you and I cannot comprehend. They don’t need to be vilified. Just ignore them and let them decide when and where they need to pee.

      The rate of physical assault on trans people is extremely high. As in physically beaten because they are trans. (I think it is something like 75% of trans people have been beaten up just for existing.) They are the ones in danger. All you and I need to do is mind our own business and go about our day, and let trans people mind their business.

      • Maxwell Edison

        Women and children are not in danger because transwomen use the women’s room. They are not.

        Not even the point. The point is you wish to see the safety and security of biological females for the benefit of mentally ill biological males. That’s misogyny.

        Transwomen have been using women’s restrooms for decades with no problems.

        Unprovable nonsense.

        This is nothing more than politicians creating a panic in hopes of increasing the turnout of votes likely to vote for them.

        No. This is nothing more than rational, normal people believing actual females have rights, too.

  • ShirleyYoungWalters

    I won’t be vacationing or moving to NC any time soon!! Or probably ever! Was considering to retire there!! NO MORE!!! If I can NOTI feel safe or my grandchildren feel safe ….there is no need to ever go there again!!!