UK Math Teacher Suspended for Saying ‘Well Done, Girls’ as One Student Identifies as Boy

OXFORD, U.K. — A math teacher in the U.K. has been suspended and faces possible further disciplinary action after he said “Well done, girls” to a group of students in forgetting that one of the girls prefers to be identified as a boy.

Joshua Sutcliffe is a teacher at Cherwell School in Oxford, and is also a pastor at Christ Revelation Church. He teaches three classes—an estimated 150 students—each day, and has excelled with his Key Stage 3 students. Sutcliffe’s students range in age from 11-18.

However, on Nov. 2, a complaint was filed against Sutcliffe after remarking “Well done, girls,” to his class as one of the female students identifies as a boy. Sutcliffe says that he was never advised by the school how to treat the situation, but tried to handle the matter with balance in not compromising his convictions but also not being inflammatory.

“[I] refrained from using any pronouns because I wasn’t really sure [what to do],” he told the organization Christian Concern. “I know it’s a sensitive issue, and I didn’t want it to affect the learning environment.”

Sutcliffe said that he was simply encouraging his students for doing a good job one day and was not thinking about how the girl preferred to be identified as a boy. Although he apologized to the student for what he calls a “slip of the tongue,” the child’s parents filed a complaint and Sutcliffe was consequently suspended for “misgendering” the student.

Sutcliffe is now under investigation and faces a disciplinary hearing about the matter.

“I have been shocked and saddened by the actions of the school, which, in my opinion, reflect an increasing trend of seeing Christians, people like me, being marginalized in the public square, and our beliefs punished and silenced,” he said in a statement.

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“The aggressive way in which transgender ideology is being imposed is undermining my freedom of belief and conscience, as well as the conscience of many people throughout our nation who believe that gender is assigned at birth,” Sutcliffe lamented.

He reiterated that he did not intentionally target the student in saying “Well done, girls” to the group as a whole.

“While the suggestion that gender is fluid conflicts sharply with my Christian beliefs, I recognize my responsibility as a teacher and Christian to treat each of my pupils with respect and dignity,” Sutcliffe stated. “I have never looked to impose my convictions on others, I just try to earnestly live out the gospel of peace.”

The school has declined to comment on the matter at this time.


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  • Robin Egg

    This man loses his job over one child’s mental illness? How disgusting and disturbing is this. It’s a GIRL!!!!

  • mr goody two shoes

    Org christian concern . should be interesting to see what there about. If of course that ugly acting girl is going to pick on the christian pastor .

  • Carol Ebersole

    This foolishness has to stop. What in the world is wrong with people.

  • Michael C

    If the issue was a solitary, accidental slip of the tongue, this teacher should not be punished. He can be informed (or reminded) of the appropriate way of addressing transgender or gender non-conforming students, but discipline would seem inappropriate.

    It appears, based on this teacher’s own words, that he refuses to address transgender or gender non-conforming students in the manner deemed appropriate by school officials. I’m sure he could find a way of being respectful of those who are different from him and hold different beliefs without compromising his personal beliefs. If he is unable to treat kids with the respect expected of an adult charged with their care, perhaps there’s a private school that discriminates against transgender students that would be happy to employ him.

    • Reason2012

      I’m sure he could find a way of being respectful of those who are different from him and hold different beliefs without compromising his personal beliefs.

      Beliefs do not override basic biological fact. A male is still a males even if he wants to play make believe and claim he’s a female.

      And no, It’s impossible not to compromise your own beliefs as the fascists have determined we have no choice but to BEHAVE and SPEAK in complete compliance with their anti-science, anti-biology, anti-Christ, anti-God worldview, which proves they’re being fascists.

      Maybe you could find ways of being respectful to the vast majority of Americans who chooses to adhere to science and basic biology, instead of firing and suing everyone who does not conform to your worldview of anti-science make believe.

      You want to call a man a woman because he wants to play make believe? Have at it. We won’t fire people or pass laws forbidding individuals that want to play make believe. But that’s not good enough for the likes of you – you insist on others being fired and sued if they do not conform to YOUR worldview, which is what fascists do.

      Meanwhile search on public school islam – more and more public schools are teaching kids all about islam and their beliefs, which Christians are sued if they even have a Bible on their desk. Anti-Christ fascism is taking root in America, and calling a boy a girl is just another tool they use in this fascist anti-Christ, anti-science war of theirs.

    • Eldrida Urika

      Hi Michael, I didn’t read that he refused, it was simply a mistake, he apologized to the individual and it was the parents who made the fuss.
      I do have one problem about these cases. I believe that the world has not been given the time to adjust to these things and it is wrong to punish someone for a mistake that was apologized for. Michael I have never met anyone who is a transgender and I could easily be in the same circumstances because I don’t think about it when I talk to people because it isn’t what we would be talking about and it is normal for me to be able to make reference to his or her gender without it as attempt to be an insult.
      There are 1% of the USA who are transgender so the majority will not know anyone who is.
      I think the transgender community has to stop being so angry about people who make mistakes. I had never heard of transgender before they rode in on the gay rights stand on equal rights. Gays took years for society to accept and a ton of work was involved in that victory, but we as a society are not familiar with them as we were helped to accept the gays. Now we are not given a chance to decide either way like we did with the gays, who did not require us to change how our language is to accept. I have called men men and women women for close to 6 decades and now I feel like I am being forced to and I am not happy with that feeling. We need time, and not everyone who makes that error is trying to be insulting but all we hear about is them trying to get Christians in trouble for taking time to adjust.
      According to the article the teacher was sensitive
      to it and avoided pronouns to do both to be faithful

      • Michael C

        As I said, if it was one accidental slip of the tongue that was quickly rectified, this teacher shouldn’t be punished.

        However, if there’s more to the story that we’re not hearing because the school is choosing not to comment on ongoing disciplinary matters, it’s possible that this teacher was deserving of the suspension.

        The teacher in question has stated that he feels it is a breach of his human rights to be required by his employer to refer to students using their preferred gender pronouns. He’s claiming it’s a human rights issue for him to treat his students with the respect their parents expect of him.

        • Eldrida Urika

          Sorry my computer froze and I didn’t finish the post.

          tried to handle the matter with balance in not compromising his convictions but also not being inflammatory.
          “[I] refrained from using any pronouns because I wasn’t really sure [what to do],” he told the organization Christian Concern. “I know it’s a sensitive issue, and I didn’t want it to affect the learning environment.”

          It actually sounds to me like he did try – he said they never trained him about this issue too.
          Doing what he did normally is a way to compromise isn’t it?
          It’s not easy for us to just ignore our faith, and by not using the pronouns he is satisfying both sides. It sounds like a good idea IMHO it takes care of both sides.

          • Michael C

            Good comment. Using gender neutral language is a really good way to show respect to gender non-conforming individuals. Intentionally referring to transgender or gender non-conforming individuals with the pronouns they don’t identify with is a sign of disrespect just as referring to a cis-gender female as a guy would be an intentional insult.

            At this point, we have one half of a story. That always leaves me skeptical. I try not to form or express opinions without both sides of a story.

          • Reason2012

            Using gender neutral language is a really good way to show respect to gender non-conforming individuals.

            No, forcing others to only speak certain ways under threat of lawsuit, firing and jail is fascism. Forcing others to throw out basic biology, basic science and violate their faith under threat of lawsuit, firing and jail is fascism. Only enemies of America seek to impose such fascist policies on everyone else. So much for all your older deceptive posts of “how does homosexuality / same-gender marriage / transgenderism affect you?” and here you are showing exactly how it affects everyone else: here you are happily promoting fascism on everyone else. Just shows you have always been about deceiving others and are now showing your true colors. America and other countries are waking up to the true agenda.

          • Michael C

            So much for all your older deceptive posts of “how does homosexuality / same-gender marriage / transgenderism affect you?”

            When did I ever claim that people would continue to be permitted to behave rudely to gay/transgender people without consequence? When did I say that?

            My comment history is not set to private so you can feel free to quote me.

          • Reason2012

            Thank you for proving my point. According to you people can be sued, fired and even charged with a crime if you simply claim they’re “rude” for not giving into how you demand they act and speak and not violate scientific fact and not violate their beliefs. Fascism at its finest. So much for your lies of “how does homosexuality / same-gender marriage / transgenderism affect you?”, as I said, which you HAVE said countless times. Continue to show everyone else how you’re really a fascist seeking to criminalize all behaviors and speech you hate.

          • Eldrida Urika

            excuse me but all he did was react to your post. It was rude to talk to him like that and he did no such thing as agree.
            you are attacking him for no reason, as he said nothing of the kind. He has always been non-offensive to others. He defends himself but he has not agreed without a good reason, like the person was beyond ignorant to the people involved. That’s just wrong to act badly towards anyone like that.
            I’m disappointed in you I thought you were able to use your words better than that.
            He’s asking a legitimate question. I guess he could have asked if you have any gay or transgender people that you have to deal with in your life? Because many people have never met a transgender as they are only 1% of the population in the states.
            I too wonder if you’ve ever talked to a transgender yourself.

          • Reason2012

            excuse me but all he did was react to your post.

            No, he’s supporting fascist fining, firing of anyone who does not act and speak in compliance with his viewpoint. Yet you instead attack those who point this out. Do you care that he’s supporting Christians being fined, suspended, fired or worse? Do you care that Christians are being fined, suspended, fired or worse? Yet here you are defending those who defend this. Why is that?

            It was rude to talk to him like that

            If it’s rude to speak out against those supporting and promoting such fascism, what do you call it when instead people are suspended, fined, fired and worse over not caving into being forced to act and speak in complete support of sin?

            Are you claiming to be a Christian while siding with those who are by force of law and force of threat of being fired forcing everyone else to support sin and anti-Christ acts by their behavior and speech?

          • Eldrida Urika

            you know what, I am taking the side of a person who has the right to have an opinion and is just like us to Jesus because he will not condemn anyone until Judgement Day.
            He never said he agreed to it, he said he is waiting to hear more information. He likes to know more than just what is here. Is that wrong.
            I do not support his lifestyle and I am pretty sure I’ve told him that I won’t go against my God and say I agree with it, but I would complain if you were like this to anyone because no one deserves to be spoken to like that. I could care less whether he’s gay or just a different religion I stand up for people when others are being UN-reasonable in the way they are treating them.
            Would you sit on a bus while someone was rude and demeaning and shaming someone for something you were for? Would you just sit there or would you tell the guy who was being mouthy to shut up and leave the other guy alone.
            How we behave is not to do with another person’s sin, it has to do with giving God the glory for being outstanding in this world. We are the ones the rest of the world is looking at to see if we are hateful or loving. And it matters which one they believe or it would not be like it is today. People especially youth are turning their backs on Jesus because of the people who act so hateful towards gays. It was totally against Jesus’ commands to be hateful towards any person.
            They don’t want a God who hates. They want the Jesus I and the majority of Christians believe in who is a loving God.
            Problem is the hateful ones got arrogant and self serving and ruined it for every other Christian. We all have a reputation of being hateful instead of being Christ-like. I think those who have a hateful God will be turned away at the gate. There is no light in the darkness without Love because Love IS the Light as God is Love.
            By the way, the guy in this article did find a way to not compromise his faith and be sensitive and compassionate about it too. Michael approved of what the Christian man said he was doing before this one incidence. Do not use pronouns and there will be no conflicts in the first place.
            SMH

          • Reason2012

            By the way, the guy in this article did find a way to not compromise his faith and be sensitive and compassionate about it too. Michael approved of what the Christian man said he was doing before this one incidence. Do not use pronouns and there will be no conflicts in the first place.

            Not true. The moment you get to the point where you will no longer call kids girls or boys because you will get in trouble you have just compromised.
            Girls are girls and we have the right to call them girls.
            Boys are boys and we have the right to call them boys.
            It’s God’s design.
            But the fascists have made it so that you will either abandon that idea in what you say and do or get fined, suspended, fired, sued or worse.

            It’s not “sensitive and compassionate” to abandon your beliefs in words and actions because anti-Christ fascists demand it. It’s called fascism, where all those who do not conform to their anti-science, anti-Christ worldview are victimized.

          • Michael C

            According to you people can be sued, fired and even charged with a crime if you simply claim they’re “rude”

            You seem very confused.

            An employer can fire an employee for being rude.

            I never said anything about lawsuits or criminal charges.

            PS: the First Amendment is not needed to protect speech you like – it’s there to protect speech that fascists seek to censor.

            The First Amendment protects (U.S.) citizens’ right to free speech, it does not require others to provide us with a platform for that speech. It also does not insulate us from potential social repercussions of our speech. I don’t understand what I could have possibly said that would have you believe that I don’t respect the First Amendment. Feel free to quote me.

          • Reason2012

            An employer can fire an employee for being rude.

            Not when they claim something is rude when it’s not. Employees have the right to sue employers for forcing them to violation their beliefs and forcing them to say and act in ways that violate their beliefs and violate basic scientific and biological fact.

            The First Amendment protects (U.S.) citizens’ right to free speech, it does not require others to provide us with a platform for that speech.

            Where’s the platform? We’re talking about your supposed claim to a “right” to discriminate against everyone else, forcing them to violate their beliefs and go against what science shows to instead conform to their anti-science, anti-Christ work place environment. Huge difference.

          • Michael C

            Not when they claim something is rude when it’s not. Employees have the right to sue employers for forcing them to violation their beliefs and forcing them to say and act in ways that violate their beliefs and violate basic scientific and biological fact.

            You will find that employers do, in fact, have the right to discipline employees who refuse to refer to others by their preferred names and pronouns.

            Where’s the platform?

            The job would be the platform.

            An employer is not required to provide a job for a person to be used as their personal platform from which to exercise their freedom of speech. The employee may have the freedom of speech, but the employer also has the freedom to discipline the employee for that speech.

            Employers must make reasonable accommodations for the religious beliefs of their employees. This is true but there are limits. You will find that employers can, in fact, issue guidance on the proper treatment of transgender individuals. That’s not in violation of the First Amendment. If you think it is, I would recommend taking a community ed civics course on the Constitution.

          • Reason2012

            You will find that employers do, in fact, have the right to discipline employees who refuse to refer to others by their preferred names and pronouns.

            No, they do not have the “right” to force others to violate their beliefs, violate science by forcing them to act and say things that do just that. Huge difference.

            The job would be the platform.

            No, standing up against fascism, against being forced to violate your faith and violate even scientific fact is not using your job as a platform, unless you’re a fascist of course – they’d then claim it to help promote their fascism and shut down dissenters.

          • Eldrida Urika

            that’s not true about Michael C. He is a very good poster who hurts no one but can help us understand things we might not understand without him. Some of us don’t act badly to anyone as that’s what a Christian was told NOT to (act badly). Whether someone is gay or not is not a reason to be rude to him. Michael C in particular is not someone who goes about lying about anything. I’ve never seen him lie and I’ve been a reader here for a lot longer than I was a member.
            Jesus showed us he wanted us to treat people equally with the time that they were collecting the money and then splitting it between everyone in the place so everyone would start off in the same place and no one would be considered better than another because of money.
            Besides why are you forgetting to treat people the way you want to be treated?
            I know that you treat Christians properly, so if you don’t treat others well, why is that? It can’t be their sin because Jesus showed us that sin would not be condemned here on earth when he told the adulteress that he did not condemn her and just told her to ‘sin no more’.
            I believe the example was that sin is not a reason to behave badly towards anyone, sinner or not, as we are all sinners, every one.

          • Reason2012

            He is a very good poster who hurts no one but can help us understand things we might not understand without him.

            Not true. He is supporting people being suspended, fired, sued or even charged with a crime if they do not throw out science, biology and their own morals and instead cave into his agenda. That’s the behavior of a fascist.

            Jesus didn’t say “support other’s attempts to force sin on the rest of society by force of law”.

            Standing up against fascist attempts to force Christians to throw out science, throw out biology, violate their beliefs to support sin, to be fined, to be suspended, to be fired is not “behaving badly”. That you support such anti-Christian behaviors towards Christians and side with those who seek to force sin and anti-Christ laws on the rest of society does not bode well.

          • Eldrida Urika

            He only supports it when the circumstances warrant it. He does not jump to conclusions and he will not address something that he does not know. Like the other side of this issue.
            Do you have a problem with free speech or of people having their own opinion, Reason?
            I thought your name kind of suited you but I don’t recognize you in this discussion.
            Michael has a side that no one else here has, so why shouldn’t he express his view. You may not agree with gays or transgenders because of your faith in God but he never told us to be rude or to demean anyone. As a matter of a fact he told us to make sure they know the gospel and leave them alone to decide for themselves. I’ve never found the necessity to be rude to get my point across either.
            Jesus told us to love everyone and did not makes sinners an exception. He himself told us that he loves the sinner as much as he does his followers.
            Do you think it is biblical to be rude and act like this to anyone ever according to Jesus. I’d like to see that scripture if you say there is such a scripture because there is not such a scripture. Jesus was never rude and demeaning to anyone so he would not have approved of you acting like this.
            I am disappointed because I thought you had more tact than this. your name was a good one for you because you didn’t attack others.
            Michael’s opinions do not always go with the gays when they are the ones that intentionally create strife for the Christian so they can sue them. He looks at the whole story and other sources too to decide. He is not any different than you likely are, except his views are different. He knows we don’t agree with it because of our religion but he’s not here to harass. Not ever. He is very respectful to those who show him respect just as I am.

          • Reason2012

            He only supports it when the circumstances warrant it.

            He’s supporting fascist treatment of those who do not behave and speak in support of his sinful beliefs. When do circumstances warrant such fascism? That’s beyond harassment. while you claim he’s not here to harass.

            Do you have a problem with free speech or of people having their own opinion, Reason?

            You do realize that Michael is attacking the right of free speech of others, then tell me I’m the one who has a problem with free speech?

            You do not like me expressing my own opinion against the promotion of fascist, anti-free speech behavior then tell me I’m the one who has a problem with free speech?

            You’re not being honest, friend.

            He himself told us that he loves the sinner as much as he does his followers.

            Jesus didn’t mean what you seem to imply: to help others promote sin, forcing them to support it with their behavior and speech.

            Loving the sinner is pointing out that judgment is coming for sin and that forgiveness can be had if we repent and instead seek to follow Him, believing on the Lord Jesus Christ. It’s not loving the sinner, for example, to help them promote sin and teach them the lie that it’s just fine to do so, then attack Christians who speak out against it.

            Do you think homosexual behavior is a sin according to God?
            Do you think transgenderism is a sin according to God?
            Do you think same-gender marriage is a sin, according to God?

            You claim to be a Christian and have yet to say a single word about what Jesus / God has said but instead seek to defend those who promote sin and try to force it upon everyone else.

          • Eldrida Urika

            HE KNOW how Jesus feels don’t you think? I do and I guarantee that more of the posters here have told him exactly the same things in the same rude way.
            YOU don’t know Jesus if you think he approves of anyone who does not treat anyone properly and as they want to be treated. He would not agree with it. not with adulterers nor with gays nor with thieves.
            Are you of the same religion as Amos is? Do you believe that Jesus ever acted with hate towards a person?
            Or that he didn’t come to die for just some of us, he died to save the whole world.
            So how exactly, no matter what you think of his sin, do you think that treating anyone badly is what Jesus would do. Did he ever treat anyone except those in prophecies in any way other than kindly, and sometimes impatiently, but never with hate in his words.
            His commandments are both about Love how can you love someone and be so rude and unforgiving when that is what we are supposed to do. Forgive as our father forgives us. That means to forgive people their sins so you can be a good person and help them to turn to the Lord by example of his love.
            You do, don’t you. Believe like Amos does?

          • Reason2012

            Do you think homosexual behavior is a sin according to God?
            Do you think transgenderism is a sin according to God?
            Do you think same-gender marriage is a sin, according to God?

            You claim to be a Christian and have yet to say a single word about what Jesus / God has said on any of this, instead seek to defend those who promote such sin and try to force it upon everyone else, and attack Christians who speak out against it.

          • Eldrida Urika

            Actually I have posted a reply to that. I have to take my time so I don’t miss making my point even when people don’t seem to read my posts without missing a lot.
            You show me where I’ve ever supported gay behavior.
            You show me where I’ve ever said anything against how JESUS told us to be in the scriptures.
            You are wrong I don’t do more than admonish them. I am supposed to let my brethren know when they make a mistake that is against God’s Word. A lot of posters here seem to think that theirs is the only way that everyone believes and it is not true. We should all be able to express our beliefs including that Jesus would not treat people badly, without being told I am not a Christian.
            Anyone who does not know the Gospel or knows it like how one poster has been taught, like it is meaningless, needs to be told they are missing Jesus’ commandments because he regularly told us to follow his commands.
            So if think I should be jumping on Michael because he is a sinner, that’s your religion not mine. I have never seen a word of Jesus ever tell us to act in any way but loving. You look for the meanings you want to find, because you did not describe either me or Michael the way we really are. I am one of the most faithful Christians here and follow Jesus in every way and know that I have to give God my all including respecting his words. anyone who does not love everyone and forgive them to allow them to love and care and show compassion to is not following Jesus’ words.
            We are not forgiving them the sin of their behavior we are forgiving them for not knowing God the way we do. I think you should look at my posts here and see that I never supported more than his right to an opinion that does not agree with you.
            By the way, about same gender marriage. They can’t get married without committing the sin already so the sin of marriage is part and parcel of the same sin. Not only that there is no way to abet the sin of homosexuality unless you are one of the partners or are in the room and handing them stuff or videotaping it for them. Otherwise there is no way we can abet that sin.
            Marriage is a God given rite, but there are always going to be unbelievers and we have to show our Fruit of the Spirit to everyone (that’s Galatians 5:22-23) God said not to start to sin like unbelievers do, but he never told us to treat them badly for wanting the same rights everyone else has. He agreed with equal rights.
            If you want to be a Christian that stands out when you do your duty by spreading the gospel you can’t speak badly to them and expect them to come to Jesus and that is what our life is supposed to be about: getting others to come to Our Lord and Savior and be saved. Do you not believe that either?

          • Reason2012

            Actually I have posted a reply to that. I have to take my time so I don’t miss making my point even when people don’t seem to read my posts without missing a lot.

            Up until that moment I hadn’t seen any such post – later today you finally said it. Glad to hear it.

            You show me where I’ve ever supported gay behavior.

            Supporting the fascist attempt to get others / Christians to act and say things in complete support of transgender hence then homosexual behavior is doing just that.

            You are wrong I don’t do more than admonish them. I am supposed to let my brethren know when they make a mistake that is against God’s Word.

            People who live in willful sin are not our “brethren”.

            Secondly, it’s called sin, not “a mistake”. To call sin “a mistake” is suspect at best. Sin is sin, not a “mistake”. When we sin, we don’t say to God “I made a mistake” – we say we sinned.

            And yes, if a brother in Christ sins, we admonish them.

            So if think I should be jumping on Michael because he is a sinner, that’s your religion not mine.

            I never said he was a sinner. Why dishoenstly make claims I never said?

            It’s been about him forcing his anti-Christ fascism on everyone else. Huge difference. Your entire post goes off on the individual sinnner thread, which while it has good information, is not the topic of discussion.

            The topic is activists trying to force everyone else to accept and promote sin with their words and their actions, lest they be suspended, fined, fired, sued or worse.

            I have never seen a word of Jesus ever tell us to act in any way but loving.

            “Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.”
            2 Timothy 4:2-4

            People would call that hate, doesn’t make it true.

          • Eldrida Urika

            I have totally said it plainly if you look in my replies. OVER and OVER I have told you. I Won’t keep pandering to you not reading my posts. Stop accusing me of something that is not true. If you are not reading my replies then you have no right to accuse me of anything.

          • Reason2012

            You didn’t say it clearly until just now. Glad to hear you realize same-gender marriage, homosexual behavior and transgenderism (which becomes cross-dressing and homosexual behavior) is a sin.

          • Eldrida Urika

            I really have said it a lot just not as plainly as that.
            I appreciate that you replied as you did. Thank you.

          • Steve Hamilton

            Your key phrase there is “to treat others as they WANT to be treated ” Jesus didn’t treat people the way THEY WANTED to be there ate just ask the scribes and pharisees. With respect it seems like you need to read God’s word more and listen less to worldly teaching. Jesus said in the last days teachers would be raised up who tickled tickled the ears and He called them FALSE teachers.

          • Eldrida Urika

            Jesus TOLD us to treat everyone the way we want to be treated.
            The ONLY people he showed anger or bad treatment were the scribes and Pharisee, and the people at the money lenders in the church, right?
            Both of those were prophecies that Jesus told us he behaved like that because of the prophecies. Besides, it is showing the wrath of God specifically about His church and how it is to be a consecrated place and kept that way. The other things he was teaching was not done with offense to anyone, only when it went against the doctrine of the Laws. Jesus came to teach us how to live knowing what sin is and how to avoid it by behaving well towards everyone.
            You have a lot of arrogance if you think you know what the bible means better than a lot of other religions who agree with me. I do know the word of God and especially the gospel better than most from what I can tell. If you don’t believe the way others do it is not proper to accuse someone of being a fraud without looking at her posts and recognizing that I teach NOTHING that is not in the scriptures and if you want to support your belief I am quite happy to look at the scriptures that tell you that I am wrong in my belief and I will give you the scriptures that show that I am only following scriptures. I do not rely on anything but the Bible for my beliefs as it is the only way to know the Truth and so far, no man’s opinion matters without the scriptures to support it.
            I will not listen to others another poster gives me videos on YouTube and I will not listen to others opinions like that. If you can’t support your beliefs with scriptures yourself and prove what you say is there in the bible, then according to the scripture you are not ready for when Jesus comes.
            As long as my scripture is accurate, I am teaching God’s Word, and you have no right to say otherwise without knowing what my beliefs are a lot more than these posts.
            As you judge me so you will be judged. Judgment is not something that can be instant and that is why Jesus is the one who will do the final Judgment. He knows more than we could possibly know about another person and we were told to discern the sin and to perceive if the person will receive the gospel. If we do not believe they will receive it then we are to leave it as they will have the consequences on the day of Judgement. Many people will turn to the Lord and we do not know who has that in their futures but HE does.
            You see I don’t understand why you do not know the scriptures in the gospel that say what I have said. You tell me I should learn the bible better but it is you who does not know the gospel scripture not I.
            So support your beliefs that I am not speaking God’s Word the way it is supposed to be, so I can show you where the scriptures are that do support what I say.

          • Eldrida Urika

            I do not support their behavior I support the rights that they have just like we do. If you want to say your opinion then you have to let him say his too.
            I have not defended more than the person and his right to an opinion. If you look through my posts you will never see that i agree with their behavior and have said that over and over and Michael knows it so why do I have to talk about something we have already discussed when it is not about Jesus and sin, it is about Jesus and a human being.
            We as Christians can disagree all we want but we can’t force them to change. Behaving badly to someone you want to convince to change is backwards. You have to be kind to people like Jesus was to get them to look at Him again. Being like a bully to someone is not going to bring anyone including the people who read and do not post, to Jesus.
            We are supposed to be aware of our behavior so we reflect the goodness of Jesus, not act like he was a hater of men when it isn’t true. He loves everyone; scriptures says so.
            I just as Christian as you are but I don’t believe that Jesus told us to rebuke the sinners. it was our brethren that Jesus told us to rebuke not unbelievers.
            I also believe he wanted us to be good people to everyone and not be anyone that is looked at without the respect of someone who is a good person visibly.
            We are supposed to be Christ – like and that does not include being rude or hateful because someone does not agree with us. I don’t understand your attitude when I have not seen Michael push his beliefs on anyone ever. He may state facts but he does not push his own belief on others. You are reading that into it. Plus you are looking at this whole thing with hate for the people who commit the sins instead of the sin itself.
            I feel like I am butting heads with Amos again.

          • Reason2012

            If you want to say your opinion then you have to let him say his too.

            Yet you take issue with me expressing my opinion after he expressed his. You’re being dishonest, friend.

            And Michael’s trying to support and promote fascist treatment of those who do not behave and speak in full support of his opinions.

            And again:
            Do you think homosexual behavior is a sin according to God?
            Do you think transgenderism is a sin according to God?
            Do you think same-gender marriage is a sin, according to God?

            You claim to be a Christian and have yet to say a single word about what Jesus / God has said on any of this, instead seek to defend those who promote such sin and try to force it upon everyone else, and attack Christians who speak out against it.

          • Eldrida Urika

            Oh I’m sorry. I didn’t realize that you don’t read complete replies. I totally explained everything about my support OF THE PERSON and not at all support THE SIN.
            Read my whole reply this time and try to tell me I didn’t talk about Jesus and my beliefs. Because everything you are accusing me of is not what I said at all. I am supporting the person, not the sin. I am supporting that Jesus told us to be good to everyone and not demean or be rude to anyone. I have not supported what he supports I pointed out that he has a right to his opinion just like we do and he has a right to disagree no matter what anyone else believes. I want to be able to express my view without being criticized by people who disagree. I won’t be critical of their view and only tell them what my view is. I don’t need to be demeaning or criticize others to make the point of my belief. It is a strong enough belief that I know it is a good belief and I don’t need to care whether others agree or not because God is the ONLY one that can honestly judge me.
            You should read my posts before you state that I am not following Jesus and accuse me of what you are accusing me of.

            You will not see me support what he says or anything else except that he has just as much right to his opinion, right or wrong to others, as we do to our opinions and can would rather not have our belief trashed by others either.

            You will not see my support and actually you will see my complaint about the problem and that we need to be able to keep our faith just as much as they want to keep their beliefs right or wrong, and there must be a way to allow us to keep the law and our faith and there is and Michael C was the one that said that it was the perfect way to avoid problems. So you are not only not reading my complete comments but accusing me of bad behavior anyway.

            My belief of treating everyone properly comes from scriptures in the gospel. So don’t try to put me down for my faith when you have no clue about it because you do not read my posts completely. My faith is God is way beyond some of the posters here, and I take offense at you implying that I have anything to change will take scriptures as well from the gospel. So AFTER you read my post through properly, if you still think I am not following how to be a christian prove it with scriptures from the NT.

          • Reason2012

            I am supporting the person, not the sin.

            Again, we’re not talking about one person’s sin. We’re talking about the fascist enforcment of anti-Christian, anti-science actions and words on everyone else that believes differently than them, lest they be sued, fined, suspended, fired, or worse. You insist on talking about one person being a sinner, which has nothing to do with this entire thread.

          • Eldrida Urika

            Do you think homosexual behavior is a sin according to God?
            Do you think transgenderism is a sin according to God?
            Do you think same-gender marriage is a sin, according to God?

            Yes I believe that “homosexual behavior is a sin according to God.
            Yes I believe that if God had put transgenderism in the bible that it would be considered a sin by God. I leave it in God’s hands as I have no contact with anyone who is transgender and do not expect I ever will. I have to rely on God to know what the sin is that is against His Word and the fact that Jesus told us that some sinners will turn to Jesus and repent right up to the end of days.
            I have no scriptural evidence and I know it is God’s authority not my own that makes something a sin when it is not spelled out in the scriptures.
            But as I said above, I believe if it was in scriptures it would be a sin against God.
            Do you think same-gender marriage is a sin, according to God?
            I believe that if they were not homosexual they would not be sinning in the first place so same gender marriage is based on a sin so obviously it is not going to make a big difference to their salvation. Our insisting they believe the way we believe will not change their minds, any more than the way the way they insist we believe the way they do. right?
            I know that one sin is equal to another so it is just the way unbelievers will behave and Jesus told us to show the Fruits of the Spirit and not one of those Fruits tells us to treat another person badly in any way.
            So far from supporting the sin, I am behaving the way Jesus told us to. In my belief. Which is totally based on what I have read in the Gospel. It is also the faith I am a member of that believes the way I do.
            If your belief is not like mine, I can accept that and will not tell you that you are wrong, because I respect that you have a belief in Jesus, but I would appreciate the same respect because I believe that it is only about Jesus and not about us but it is His commands that I follow. Jesus told us there are 7 churches at the end. That means that there will be other ways to believe in Jesus and the offer he has made to give us salvation. So one belief is not better than the other or right while another is wrong. Jesus told his disciples that anyone who is for Jesus and repentance of sin is speaking the same that we do, and should be allowed to without interference. Jesus’ words.
            So There you go. Does that finally help you understand me?
            Of course that depends on whether you read it to the end.

          • Reason2012

            Yes I believe that if God had put transgenderism in the bible that it would be considered a sin by God.

            It is in the Bible: falls under men dressing as women, and homosexual behavior as they try to get with other men.

            Our insisting they believe the way we believe will not change their minds, any more than the way the way they insist we believe the way they do. right?

            I never insisted they believe the way we believe. It’s only been about rebuking the attempt by fascist activists to force Christians to conform to their worldview in act and in word.

            Hopefully this clarifies to both of us.

          • Reason2012

            I do not support their behavior I support the rights that they have just like we do.

            It’s not a “right” to force everyone with other beliefs to speak and act in complete compliance with their belief system, violating their own religiolus beliefs on behaviors.

            If you want to say your opinion then you have to let him say his too.

            Where did I not “let” him say it? He said his opinion (support of fascism) and I’m allowed to express my opinion about his fascism.

            I have not defended more than the person and his right to an opinion.

            You’re taking issue with my opinion. So if you’re fine with people expressing their opinion, then why do you only take issue with my objection towards fascism that he’s supporting?

            We as Christians can disagree all we want but we can’t force them to change.

            You seem confused. I never said it’s about focing them to change. I’m speaking out against them forcing everyone else to change: what they do, what they say and they’ll get suspended, fined, sued, fired and worse if they do not obey.

            So you’re confused if you think I was trying to force them to change when it’s instead about them trying to force everyone else how to act and what to say.

            Since you’re against forcing others to change, it seems time for you to rebuke his attempt to force everyone else to change.

            Behaving badly to someone you want to convince to change is backwards.

            Rebuking someone’s attempt to promote and enforce fascism is not “behaving badly” – it’s called standing up against their attempt to promote and enforce fascism.

            You have to be kind to people like Jesus was to get them to look at Him again.

            Rebuking anti-Christ facism will not be looked at as kind by those who are trying to enforce it. Doesn’t mean we say nothing because it will be labeled as “not kind”.

            I feel like I am butting heads with Amos again.

            Ad hominem doesn’t help your position – in fact it’s considered unkind, after you just got done claiming we need to be “kind”.

          • Eldrida Urika

            How about my questions; would Jesus approve of how you feel it is right to take away anyone’s equal rights because of their sin?
            Would Jesus act like they are too corrupt to be able to think and reason because of their sin?
            Would Jesus do anything but tell them to stop sinning for anyone who has sin issues?
            Are you humble
            Are you compassionate
            Do you show any of the Fruits of the Spirit that shows others that we are Christian?
            Do you accept that there is non believers and that Jesus told us to leave them alone once they know the salvation by repentance because they will know the consequences PROPERLY (not just you go to hell) and help them understand what Jesus told us to tell them. ALL of it.
            So when I see a brother or sister behaving un-Christian do you not believe that you are supposed to point their error out?
            I defend Jesus constantly on this board because of some of the posters here have a different view of the same man who died for our sins, and they don’t have any of the Gospel understood or some do not even know the scriptures or Jesus’ words at all. So I am not going to let others destroy someone else and sit by and watch. I don’t like bullies and that is what you are doing bullying him. You have told him over and over how you feel but you never show him where he has committed these things you accuse him of, and just ignore that he didn’t say what you said, and keep being on his case.
            BTW I defended his right to free speech because you were criticizing his words. That is telling him he has no right to have his own opinion. Just like we feel the transgenders are doing to us. We should not try to force them to believe the way we do. Force does not work and neither does being anything other than Christ-like.
            Do you like it when the transgenders demand we agree with their belief of who /what they are?
            Why should they like it when you demand they act like believers when they aren’t.
            Especially when Jesus told us to leave them to their fates.
            There did I defend Jesus’ words well enough for you this time?

          • Reason2012

            would Jesus approve of how you feel it is right to take away anyone’s equal rights because of their sin?

            You think they have the “right” to force Christians and everyone else to abandon scientific fact, reality and their beliefs about God and His Word when it comes to God’s design of boys and girls, to instead cower in fear and conform in action and in deed to what they tell you you can and cannot say, can and cannot do – in effect supporting sin?

            No, they don’t have that right. That you think they have the right to do this only shows you really support their cause at forcing everyone else to violate their beliefs on the matter.

          • Eldrida Urika

            But you should NOT be giving that message in any NEGATIVE way and it is not showing the goodness and Love of God.
            I also disagree with that being the only love Jesus expressed because it is his commandment to love everyone and he came to save the whole WORLD not just a specified few. Of course there will be some who do not end up saved, but he still CAME wanting to save the whole world.
            Yes there is a love that talks about the sin but it is still supposed to be done kindly not being rude and demeaning others. If you have a good reason for how you feel, then that reason is what you should be trying to tell them not that their position is wrong, but how yours is more reasonable.
            Disrespecting someone for their opinion should not be necessary for anyone to be able to give a valid reason for their own. If you think they are wrong, don’t call them names even if it suits them, and tell them WHY you are concerned about it and then find out what they say. Maybe Michael C doesn’t agree with fascism either. Maybe he just views this issue as a problem, and disagrees with all the rest of the things fascist believe. You have never asked him and that can make a difference to how you understand his side altogether.
            Sinners will be sinners and we have to try to change that in them but calling them names and throwing stones in conversations will not bring anyone to Jesus not the one you are talking to that way, or anyone who reads your posts. We are supposed to be outstanding in our proper behavior at all times. That’s scriptural as is the majority of what my comments are. I try to state it is an opinion if I am not teaching God’s Word. The way I believe in the bible is not an opinion it is a taught belief and not just by my church by many denominations view the way of Jesus the same way we do.
            One thing that is really strange is that I am sure we’ve discussed something before and you were not an aggressive poster you were like your name says reasonable. I don’t understand why you seem so aggressive. You seemed so able to get past all that and just discuss without the need to use names before and it kind of troubles me that you seem so different now. You know how to state your point without it.
            If you have ever read any of my comments on this board you would know my beliefs and know that I do not cherry pick what I practice and what I do not practice as part of my life as a Christian. I do not compromise or twist the scriptures EVER. I use them in context unless your belief is seriously different than my own like one of the posters here. I have never said one thing that I cannot support in scripture. I am a Christian that follows EVERYTHING and not just choose what I want to do and what I don’t. If I know it is in scriptures I will support it. So please, do not treat me like I don’t know my Jesus and his beliefs. I do not agree with anything he says is wrong, even if I don’t understand it, and if I have a problem with anything in the bible I ask JESUS to help and he does.
            I do more teaching about my belief than anything else here so I can spread the gospel. That is what our duty to Jesus IS.
            Personally, (this is a personal opinion) I see the lord as only pointing out sin as a way to affect loving someone who you love by harming them. If we all love each other we will not want to hurt each other so there will only be mistaken sin not intentional.
            He even said that Love will cover a multitude of sin. Doesn’t that kind of give the impression that love in our lives is supposed to make us not want to sin intentionally to hurt anyone.
            Sin is evil and is of the darkness while love is good and it is light. Light covers the darkness.
            Love covers the sin.
            So remember that our beliefs are able to be supported by the bible and if someone is not a believer, you can’t expect them to follow God’s Word. The way you say is the “love” that tells someone about a sin is true, but when you teach a child something do you call them names like you do non believers? because by acting badly you are showing them that Christians are not good people.
            That is what I have been trying to tell you – we have to show our Christ-like behavior or they won’t want to change.

          • Reason2012

            But you should NOT be giving that message in any NEGATIVE way and it is not showing the goodness and Love of God.

            Yes, we should try to be as gentle as possible. Regardless of how we present it, they will perceive it as hate and call it hate, which doesn’t make it hate.

          • Steve Hamilton

            We love the sinner by speaking the truth to them about their sin (in love with respect ) and telling that there is forgiveness and healing thru the grace of God in the work of Jesus Christ (key here) if we humble ourselves, repent of and confess our sins and believe thru faith that His grace is enough. I believe that Reason2012 is right on point.

          • Steve Hamilton

            Amen. And Christians we are to stand up for truth in love and not cave to the spirit of this world. 2 Timothy 1:7 KJVS
            For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.

          • Eldrida Urika

            Please read this all because it will help you to recognize what I have been saying so you don’t have to keep repeating that you don’t look at me as a Christian because of your misunderstandings from not reading my posts.
            No, it means that I follow Jesus when he told us to behave properly towards everyone else. I have not said that I have agreed with anything except that others have the same rights we have. And if you think I support fascism then you are not reading my posts the way they are written. I complained about exactly what you are implying I support, so how am I supporting fascism again?
            My whole point is to get along with what has become the law we should find a way to retain our beliefs as well as stay within the law that Is against our own beliefs. We can’t expect the world to change because we are opposed to those things. We have to live outside of this world and trust Jesus for our lives in all ways.
            We can’t expect non-believers to agree and go along with what we believe. We have to keep our faith while all around us is in chaos so we don’t lose that faith and give in to the ways of this world.
            In order to show the world that Jesus is a good and loving God and wants the best for the people he loves, we must be like him for them to see that. That and our belief being so strong they want to know what it is that makes our belief so strong.
            If we do not show how to behave properly towards them, how can we expect them to behave properly towards us?
            How can we expect to bring them to Jesus like that? We can’t act like we are bad mannered or irresponsible with our words. Otherwise we are showing them that Jesus is like that too. That is what being Christ-like is about. Reflecting how he is so others will want to know about him and learn about Salvation and that isn’t really that hard to follow because it is about being good people and most already are. Making others think that Christianity is more about the sin than it is about Jesus and the fact that he told us to love everyone. He made it very plain he was not telling us that we can condemn anyone because we cannot know their hearts and he can. He can see how much evil intent was in their heart during their life and he can see how much love was in their heart for others in the same heart. If there is more love that sin (including hate for persons) then the love/ light will overpower the sin/ darkness and the Lord will see the goodness of our heart and it will be what he looks at. It’s all told in the gospel. Everything I just said is in the scriptures, all said by Jesus. I know the gospels very well, as it is the only way I can be the Christian God created me to be. He’s working on me for just that purpose and I am not about to go against His Word and risk my salvation in any way. It’s my responsibility to make sure I am ready every day until Jesus comes. If I am slack with the things in my behavior at the wrong time and it is when the Lord came for me I would have to justify what I did omit. Unless my heart has enough love and the Fruits of the Spirit are evident in my life it has every bearing on whether I will receive salvation. It isn’t just repentance that gives us salvation, or trying not to sin. Jesus told us exactly how he wanted us to behave and those were the commands he spoke of when he told us ‘if you love me you will do my commands.’
            So what I am supporting is Jesus’ commands. And I am trying to encourage others to remember His words and do his commands and if you do not know his commands about our behavior then go read the gospel it is all there in the lessons he gave us on how to please The Father. Teaching us what sin is was part of the lesson on behaving properly. If we are behaving properly, we will not sin, or at least we will try not to and recognize it when we do.
            If we all love each other and behave properly, the rate of sin would be low and everything would be repented for. But we were told this world is not our world and not to be a part of it, so that is what we need to do. The only way we should be “in” that world is those ways that can’t be avoided like work. Those places are full of non-believers who are sinners but we often don’t even talk about religion with them, even when we were allowed to. We talk about work or this person or that person (which is gossip) and some go out for drinks and join in the revelry with them, instead of being apart from it and keeping their behavior within the Christian belief that Jesus gave to us.
            The majority of lessons that Jesus taught were about behavior to avoid sin. Look at the things he said to the multitudes and you will see that I am right.
            Believe the way I do or not, that’s your choice and everyone else’s too, but I only look to God for approval of how I live and not other people’s. If it is not in God’s Word, it is not Truth. I don’t need this world’s beliefs because I am not of this world. Even children mimic their parents behavior and is why intolerance abounds both for people who are different and for Christians. If we act without tolerance, the world will never change, and Jesus will be pushed out of the public eye because of that intolerance when we can still follow what Jesus told us to avoid that intolerance. We are intolerant of sin, but we are supposed to be able to teach others about sin, not make a stranger be ashamed when you speak of sin because it is not about one sin only, and it is about ALL sin. Including our own.
            I also believe all the things that are happening are symbols of the various things that Jesus warned us about. We can make our beliefs known but if it is with criticism they will not want us around. The world has put negatives away and want all positive and that is something that Jesus would want too. If you believe being cruel to someone is a show of love, then I feel sorry for you. TBH I did not think you were that kind of person. Love is shown by being kind and compassionate not being mean and critical. Jesus did not criticize persons about sin, He taught them what sin was and how to avoid it. That is how we are supposed to deal with sinners too.

          • Reason2012

            The topic here is about how anti-Christ activists are forcing everyone else to conform to their demands on how to act and what to say and speaking out against that, not about an individual’s sins, which is what you’re addressing.

          • Eldrida Urika

            Well, at least I learned it would be okay for a Christian to do and not end up punished for it, or going against his/her faith.

          • Eldrida Urika

            Yup. That is what I told him. You are a help to understand what can work by not having to go against our faith when it is possible.
            As you stated, I confirm, that I know you never talk personal opinion unless you know the whole story and can make an informed decision on the article.
            Thank you for your approval of the method used in the article. That is what the teacher said he did normally.
            I do appreciate the help you give us in so many issues. I try to keep my non-believing memory in my life so I can relate to the ones who are un-believers. I try to give them a more positive introduction to the gospel because of that too. Your understanding of the gay and transgender issues that you help us know, is no different than my using my non belief as a guide to help those to believe (hopefully). If you were not here I would not have understood so many things that have nothing to do with the sin but about them as persons, which Jesus loved too. He understood that some will not stop wanting the control of their lives and will not let God guide them. He never said he hated them. He told us he loved everyone. So you have my respect as a person who is doing a good thing to help others too. Our learning about some of the things you have told us, has changed some people’s view on the gay issue. To me that is doing God’s Work even if you sin. You are helping people and considering how some here treat you, you are doing it no matter what others think with the hopes that someone will ‘think’ and understand what you are saying. Just like I do when I preach the Gospel. I know I have influenced a few people with my preaching and it is helpful to know that. Not to be proud, but just to know it is worth my while because someone who has lost hope could find it again because of the words I say here.
            So I wanted to tell you that you have helped with the gay issues and you are appreciated by the Followers of Jesus for helping us. That’s what we are supposed to do to others, and that is showing others the respect that what we did not know before, once you have said it, we know it now. Thank you Michael C.

          • TruthvLIes

            Except that there is only male and female. All the rest is an invention of left wing agitators who want to interfere with God’s plan and design for the family and society.

            I find it so funny that after 6,000 years of civilization they have suddenly found boys who want to be girls and girls who want to be boys.

        • TruthvLIes

          What I am seeing is that behind all this, the parents are feeling bad about their parenting ability and want to take it out on someone else. It is not a pretty sight when your daughter decides she want to be a boy. Try explaining that to everyone. First thought. What did you do wrong that Joan wants to be Johnny?

        • IzTheBiz

          Unfortunately there are alot of delusional people like yourself who believe a mental illness should be encouraged! No doubt would approve of a student who identified as a zebra! Oh well, state of unreality at present!

    • Lydia Church

      Uh, THEY are discriminating against HIM. We don’t conform to the lgbt agenda, there is no such thing as a legitimate ‘transgender’ person.

  • Nidalap

    Oops.
    Accidentally made a remark that described reality rather than delusion.
    Poor guy…

  • bowie1

    Only one slip up and he is suspended?

  • Reason2012

    Behold how they continue to use force of law and force of losing your job to force everyone else to live in the delusional anti-science anti-Christian worldview of make believe that denies basic science and basic biology and instead DEMANDS you live in their make-believe worldview and call boys girls if they say so. Better get active and demand the schools cease these fascist acts or it will only get worse.

  • TimothyJ

    Honestly this is unfair to both parties. This teacher is obviously unqualified to care for the mentally ill and handicapped while the child deserves to be cared for in the proper institution for her illness, or is it rebellion.

    Lest anyone feel this statement is hateful or ignorant in any way, may I supply a quote from some ancient that I believe sums it up quite adequately.

    Truth is not what you want it to be: it is what it is, and you must bend to its power or live a lie.
    —-Miyamoto Musashi

  • Amos Moses – He>i

    the beast … the animal ….. /sarc ………

  • Lydia Church

    Persecution of Christians is alive and well on planet earth, and increasingly underway.

  • meamsane

    Common sense has left the building, delusion is the “new normal”!

  • ISA41:10

    You cannot change your DNA. You are born a girl or boy, PERIOD!!!!

    That is the way God made you and it CANNOT change!!!