South Korea to Review Whether or Not to Abolish Law Banning Abortion

SEOUL (Reuters) The South Korean president’s office said on Sunday that it will begin a review on the country’s 64-year-old law to ban abortion.

The announcement came after more than 230,000 South Koreans filed a petition calling for the abolishment of the law.

South Korea criminalized abortion in 1953 when its leaders wanted to boost the population and build an army powerful enough to fend off its rival North Korea.

But in 1973, with population growth strong, the country drew up exceptions to the abortion law, such as where the mother’s health is at risk, the baby is to be born with severe birth defects or the pregnancy was caused by a sexual crime.

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  • Robin Egg

    If life mattered 64 years ago to the South Koreans, what has changed that they think that life does not matter now? Praying for God’s knowledge and wisdom to be present during the discussions.

  • Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D.

    This is something that should be endorsed by those cultural Christians that reject the Biblical stance in believing that aborted babies go to Heaven rather than Hell.

    • Amos Moses – He>i

      “anyone, including babies, that has not accepted Jesus by the time of death”

      yeah … not sure what that means ……….

      • Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D.

        Amos:

        What is it that you find confusing relative to the simple Biblical fact that no Salvation = Hellfire?

        • Amos Moses – He>i

          i am trying to discern your belief about where children go if they die either “in utero” or post birth when they have no indiviual cognitive ability to accept or not ……

          • Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D.

            Amos:

            How much more clear does it need to be spelled out? No Salvation=no Heaven, no Heaven=Hell. Simple Biblical math, really!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            right … and i get that ….. but that is not what i asked ……

          • Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D.

            Amos:

            The Christian is gonna go easy on you here, ok? Relative to the unborn and too young to understand the need for Salvation, we’re talking about the population that has not been Saved. Since they have not been Saved, according to the Christian Bible, they end up in Hell. Because the Bible says so, for example in John 14:6.

            Just as important is that those who claim otherwise, are in fact supporting abortionism. Think about this syllogism: we know that most people will end up in Hell, and only the Elect, of which there’re rather few, will end up in Heaven. Therefore, if you were to believe that dead babies go to Heaven, then you HAVE to believe that the abortionist did them a favor by ENSURING that they bypass the need for Salvation to get there.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ok ….. and for the most part we agree ….. is it possible for God to sovereignly save those He chooses “in utero” or post born “according to His good will and pleasure” as a matter of His mercy ….. i am not saying all get saved that die in that state …. but that His Sovereign Election applies to them also …. but we do not know for sure which ones are and which ones are not ….. just as with anyone else who has not yet come to a God granted repentance and open profession of faith in Christ ….

          • Tim Matter

            I’ll have to agree with Tony. Here’s another verse that supports it. Right after John 3:16, John 3:18 says ” He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.”
            It’s pretty hard for babies to believe in something that they are not capable of understanding yet.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            sure …. and we agree on that as it is scripture …… but it does not really answer the question ….. is it possible for God to sovereignly save those He chooses “in utero” or post born “according to His good will and pleasure” as a matter of His mercy ….. i am not saying all get saved that die in that state …. but that His Sovereign Election applies to them also …. but we do not know for sure which ones are and which ones are not ….. just as with anyone else who has not yet come to a God granted repentance and open profession of faith in Christ ….

          • Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D.

            Amos:

            Relative to whether it is possible for our beloved Jesus to Save some of the unBorn or young or too retarded to understand Jesus, of course it is possible. But would He do this? Not! Because He follows His rules. And his rules are that only those that repent and genuinely ask for Salvation are the ones that will be Saved!

            As Christians, we must not fall into the trap of atheistic lieberalism, whereby atheist, or some other satanist (Matt. 12:30), will say that he rejects Jesus because Jesus could, but doesn’t, just Save everybody.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “Relative to whether it is possible for our beloved Jesus to Save some of the unBorn or young or too retarded to understand Jesus, of course it is possible.”

            good … we are in agreement on that point …..

            “But would He do this? Not!”

            “Because He follows His rules. ” – AGREED …. so then we get to …. what are His rules in this matter …….. so that part where Christ said to the disciples …..

            Matthew
            18:1 At the same time came the disciples unto Jesus, saying, Who is the greatest in the kingdom of heaven?
            18:2 And Jesus called a little child unto him, and set him in the midst of them,
            18:3 And said, Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
            18:4 Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, the same is greatest in the kingdom of heaven.
            18:5 And whoso shall receive one such little child in my name receiveth me.
            18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
            18:7 Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
            18:8 Wherefore if thy hand or thy foot offend thee, cut them off, and cast them from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life halt or maimed, rather than having two hands or two feet to be cast into everlasting fire.
            18:9 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire.
            18:10 Take heed that ye despise not one of these little ones; for I say unto you, That in heaven their angels do always behold the face of my Father which is in heaven.
            18:11 For the Son of man is come to save that which was lost.
            18:12 How think ye? if a man have an hundred sheep, and one of them be gone astray, doth he not leave the ninety and nine, and goeth into the mountains, and seeketh that which is gone astray?
            18:13 And if so be that he find it, verily I say unto you, he rejoiceth more of that sheep, than of the ninety and nine which went not astray.
            18:14 Even so it is not the will of your Father which is in heaven, that one of these little ones should perish.

            God is SOVEREIGN ….. not just a little bit sovereign or mostly sovereign …… but COMPLETELY sovereign ………. it is HIS choice whom to save and whom NOT to save …. in utero, in child birth …. and at EVERY POINT on that line …. from BEFORE the beginning of time to the end of time …. and AFTER that ….. and you and i ARE NOT PRIVY to His decision in those matters as to which individuals and at what point in time and why He chose that place and that time and that manner ……… now the position you currently hold denies that sovereignty …. or at least seems to …..

            GOD REIGNS …. not just some of the time ….. not just partially …. it is continous, intimate, every moment over every particle of His creation ….. for ever and ever …. and ever …..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Also …..

            Matthew
            19:13 Then were there brought unto him little children, that he should put his hands on them, and pray: and the disciples rebuked them.
            19:14 But Jesus said, Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
            19:15 And he laid his hands on them, and departed thence.

          • ppp777

            You are speaking pure heresy , shame on you , there is one kind of false teacher I cannot stand and that is a Calvinist .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so NAME the heresey ….. what HERESEY ….. BY NAME ….. and who declared it …………

          • ppp777

            Baby’s going to hell dispite Christ’s shedding of his blood on the cross , namely unconditional predestination , I’m telling you and scripture backs me up , not you .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            so AGAIN … what is “unconditional predestination” …… and more importantly ….. WHO declared it a heresy …… and WHAT IS THE NAME of the “heresey” ….. and also WHY does EPHESIANS and all the apostles who wrote scripture NOT back you up ……

            1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:
            1:5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will,
            1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
            1:7 In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
            1:8 Wherein he hath abounded toward us in all wisdom and prudence;
            1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
            1:10 That in the dispensation of the fulness of times he might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth; even in him:
            1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:
            1:12 That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ.

          • ppp777

            One bit of scripture will tear your interpretation to bits , ” God does not want ANYONE to perish but ALL to come to repentance ” , there are others , acts sixteen e t c , unconditional predestination means God has pre destined people for hell regardless what they say or do , no that is not the God of the bible , that is a god you like to exist .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “God has pre destined people for hell regardless what they say or do , no that is not the God of the bible”

            Romans
            9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
            9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
            9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?

            sure … FIRST …… that does not tear ANYTHING to bits …. SCRIPTURE DOES NOT REFUTE SCRIPTURE …… so LOSE FOR YOU …….. AND ….. it does not answer the question put to you ….. WHAT SPECIFIC HERESY ……

            do you believe in universal salvation …………….. because that is also an heresy and against scripture …..

            ” unconditional predestination means God has pre destined people for hell regardless what they say or do”

            ACTUALLY … that is DOUBLE PREDESTINATION ….. and it is SCRIPTURAL ………. so NOT an heresy ………. ”

            Romans
            9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth.
            9:18 Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.
            9:19 Thou wilt say then unto me, Why doth he yet find fault? For who hath resisted his will?
            9:20 Nay but, O man, who art thou that repliest against God? Shall the thing formed say to him that formed it, Why hast thou made me thus?
            9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
            9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
            9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
            9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

            8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.
            8:29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did PREDESTINATED to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
            8:30 Moreover whom he did PREDESTINATE, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
            8:31 What shall we then say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?
            8:32 He that spared not his own Son, but delivered him up for us all, how shall he not with him also freely give us all things?
            8:33 Who shall lay any thing to the charge of God’s elect? It is God that justifieth.
            8:34 Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
            8:35 Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword?
            8:36 As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.
            8:37 Nay, in all these things we are more than conquerors through him that loved us.
            8:38 For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come,
            8:39 Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

          • ppp777

            Your mile long post does not change the facts , God ” repents ” [ changes his mind ] all through old testament , people are no more predestined for heaven then they are for hell , ” it is a gift from God not of works ” , it is there for the taking , because most don’t want that free gift is in the end down to them , God will honour that decision , whether God predestines certain people or events is a different matter , but in all of scripture God reacts to peoples choices , and romans one is a classic example of that , in the end it is all about Christ’s death burial and resurrection [ the gospel ] , the work has been done , the rest is up to us , and don’t confuse predestination by for knowledge and the heresy of unconditional predestination , there is a world of difference between the two .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “God ” repents ” [ changes his mind ]”

            WOW ….. really …. so God lied when He said to the prophet Malachi “For I am the LORD, I change not;”? ………….

            “3:6 For I am the LORD, I change not; therefore ye sons of Jacob are not consumed.
            3:7 Even from the days of your fathers ye are gone away from mine ordinances, and have not kept them. Return unto me, and I will return unto you, saith the LORD of hosts. But ye said, Wherein shall we return?
            3:8 Will a man rob God? Yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, Wherein have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings.
            3:9 Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation.
            3:10 Bring ye all the tithes into the storehouse, that there may be meat in mine house, and prove me now herewith, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it.
            3:11 And I will rebuke the devourer for your sakes, and he shall not destroy the fruits of your ground; neither shall your vine cast her fruit before the time in the field, saith the LORD of hosts.”

          • ppp777

            Seems you don’t know the difference between changing your mind and lying , its in Gods nature to sometimes change his mind , he is a personal God remember , your own post even backs that up , which of course it would , its Gods word .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            well if God says He never changes …. that is also including His mind ….. and you say He does ….. TRULY AND FOR SURE ….. ONE OF YOU IS LYING or …. at the very least ….. UTTERLY MISINFORMED ……. and no … God doe not change His mind ….. and the word repent ….. the one place it is used in reference to Him …… poor translation ………….

          • ppp777

            If you cannot tell the difference between changing your mind and lying , then you have to be in self denial , repent relating to God is fairly common in the old testament , Saul and the flood are two good examples , and don’t go down the ” poor translation ” root , that is a slippery slope in this case .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            NOPE …. the liar here …. IS YOU ….. you are lying about scripture and who God is ….. so it is not a matter of if God is lying ….. God does not lie ….. God cannot lie ….. MEN LIE ….. or if i am to be kind to a fellow christian ….. you are at a minimum ….. MISINFORMED ………….

          • ppp777

            You really do have your head stuck the sand , scripture is so clear on the matter , God says he will do something if someone does something , and another thing or nothing at all if some one does something else , like with Nineveh , and with Moses at the burning bush , as well as other examples , that is just the way God works in history in his word , anyway I wish you well .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ” God says he will do something if someone does something , and another thing or nothing at all if some one does something else ”

            i see …. so it IS WORKS RIGHTEOUSNESS with you ….. and that is the last heresy on the list i gave you ………. God does not need our permission to save us, He does not ask for it, He just does it ….. and ONLY the Elect are saved ……

          • ppp777

            Only a five point Calvinist could give an answer like that ,how you can connect what he did clearly in history with ” works salvation ” is baffling , you really need to rethink your world view , because it is certainly not biblical .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            i am talking scripture … you are bring up superfluous points and terms ….. and works salvation is what you are saying ………. if you have even one iota of anything to do with your salvation …. that IS works salvation …. that salvation is dependent on your works …. and it aint …..

          • ppp777

            I told you what God did in history , I asked you what it had to do with works salvation [ or any type of salvation for that matter ] , you did not answer me apart from accusations .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you cannot show even one person in scripture where anyone did anything to be saved …….. God did a lot of things in history …….. in fact God did it all …. next point ……..

          • ppp777

            Stop being a smart arse , and answer my question , if you can’t don’t bother replying .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you cannot show even one person in scripture where anyone did anything to be saved …. and stop with the accusations …..

          • ppp777

            I never said they did , — what accusations ?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            yours were the asccusations that began this exchange ….. so whatever ……..

          • ppp777

            Example please ?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            okay …. follow the thread back to the beginning where your first comment is ….. and then READ WHAT YOU WROTE …..

          • ppp777

            I told you Calvinism is a heresy , which it is , its just the truth .and you have said nothing whatsoever to debunk that , all you have done is to accuse me of believing in works salvation , which is laughable to say the least ., you have twisted everything I have said about obvious events in biblical history , you obviously think God controls every thought and action of every human that ever existed , that in reality is shear nonsense .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “I told you Calvinism is a heresy ”

            and yet you have not proven that it is ….. nor is it a named “heresy” ….. so just insult and accusation ……

          • ppp777

            No it will never be on your list , but the bible and reality will tell you different , it is a totally irrational belief system .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            okay … so not really “heresey” …….. thnx …. and just so you know ….. Paul, Peter, John and Christ ….. all taught predestination ….. so not heresey …….. and it is in the OT also ………..

          • ppp777

            Not unconditional predestination , you are wrong again .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            again …. i do not know what that is ….. but ….. Romans ….. “What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:” …. vessels of wrath fitted to destruction ….. to be destroyed for no other purpose than for God to show His mercy upon other vessels NOT fitted to destruction ….. which he had AFORE prepared …..

            9:21 Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?
            9:22 What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction:
            9:23 And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory,
            9:24 Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?

          • ppp777

            It means [ and I have told you before ] , God has predestined people for hell [ including baby’s ] whether they turn to Christ or not , ” what if God ” , that is a big if , everyone that is in hell is there because they did not embrace the gospel , ” whosoever ” remember ” all ” remember , not a select few , hell was prepared for ” the devil and his angles ” not mankind , anyone who will ask God for mercy will get it , if the ” vessel ” wants to rebel , and that’s his choice he will face the concequenses , we have free will [ contrary ] to what the likes of you think , and God certainly repents [ changes his mind ] in scripture , it says so .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            ” everyone that is in hell is there because they did not embrace the gospel ”

            right … because they are not on the Elect …… but we do not know if babies embraced it or not … God can sovereignly do what He pleases …. and He does ….. ” ” whosoever ” remember ” all ” remember” ….. “whosoever” does not mean all …. sorry …..

            “anyone who will ask God for mercy will get it ”

            Matthew
            7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
            7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
            7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

            “and that’s his choice he will face the concequenses , we have free will [ contrary ] to what the likes of you think”

            no scripture to support that man has “free will” … that is MANS made up reality ….. man has a CREATURELY will ……….

          • ppp777

            God will always do what is right , not like the monster you betray , humans have a sight more compassion and love then that and are more just , your second point points to works salvation , and if you are convinced that man has no free will and are no more than robots then you are no better than a fool .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            not does not save everyone … never has … never did …. never will ……… and i do not portray Him as a “monster” ….. HE has portrayed Himself and revealed Himself in the scriptures ….. and you think you get to whitewash who He is ….. and you do not ………

            “and if you are convinced that man has no free will and are no more than robots then you are no better than a fool”

            SHOW THE SCRIPTURE that says you have a “free will” …. you CANNOT ….. it does not exist …. we are HIS CREATURES, HIS CREATION ….. and we have a CREATURELY WILL ….. and it does not override GODS WILL ….. GOD IS SOVEREIGN …..OVER ALL THINGS …. men are not sovereign …..

          • ppp777

            God does want to save everyone , he has no wish that anyone will perish but [ whats that word again ] yes allllllll come to repentance , he has noooo pleasure in the punishment of the wicked , or does all or whosoever and no pleasure suddenly mean something else , of course it does in the Calvinist cult , men’s free will has been played out since the fall , all the fruit of the garden you may eat , but the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you may not eat of , for the day you eat of this tree is the day you will surely die , choice given , free will expressed , the rest [ as they say is ] history .” override Gods will ” , ” you shall not commit murder ” , hum .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “God does want to save everyone” –

            but He does not ….. so EITHER God is a FAILED SAVIOR …… OR … the answer lies ELSEWHERE …… IN SCRIPTURE …. God can save all ….. HE DOES NOT ….. God can save NO ONE ….. AND HE DOES NOT ………….

            OR God can save those whom He chooses ….. AND HE DOES ….. IN SCRIPTURE …. and God is SOVEREIGN OVER ALL THINGS …. and that is ALL THINGS ….. INCLUDING your supposed “free will” …………..

            Isaiah
            46:8 Remember this, and shew yourselves men: bring it again to mind, O ye transgressors.
            46:9 Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me,
            46:10 Declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:

            THE END FROM THE BEGINNING ….. DECLARED …. and guess what ….. WE DO NOT GET TO OVER RIDE HIS DECLARATION …………. and He will do HIS pleasure …. NOT OURS …..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Daniel
            4:34 And at the end of the days I Nebuchadnezzar lifted up mine eyes unto heaven, and mine understanding returned unto me, and I blessed the most High, and I praised and honoured him that liveth for ever, whose dominion is an everlasting dominion, and his kingdom is from generation to generation:
            4:35 And all the inhabitants of the earth are reputed as nothing: and he doeth according to his will in the army of heaven, and among the inhabitants of the earth: and none can stay his hand, or say unto him, What doest thou?

            NONE CAN STAY HIS HAND ………….

          • ppp777

            Yeah , he had to learn the hard way , if he took Daniels advice a year earlier that may never of happened , again the rest is history , like with David and Bathsheba , Abraham and Hagar , Lot’s daughters , and wife of course , what they all did changed history , of course nothing but nothing was going to stop Gods plan of redemption , providence I think its called .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            they did not change history ….. they were part of Gods plan and Gods history ……. so we agree …. that God is sovereign over EVERY THING ….. even their sins and “free will” …. and yours so called “free will” …………..

          • ppp777

            They clearly did , that is obvious , God did not make himself sovereign over our free will , that would be an oxymoron , his plan was redemption for mankind and he of course got it despite satans tactics .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            God is sovereign over all …. or He is not God …… and you have no free will ….. and you have no scripture to say you do ….. and free will is just idolatry …. it is carving out a part of your life that YOU say God has no control over …… idolatry and a lie ….. God is sovereign over satan …. satan is Gods creation and He does only what God allows him to do …… but not you and YOUR “free will” …… sorry ….. no scripture to show that …..

          • ppp777

            The bible and reality proves you wrong , only your cultish belief is blinding you to the truth , that I’m afraid that is your problem .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            nope …SHOW ME THE SCRIPTURE that says you have a “free will” that overrides Gods will ….. SHOW THE SCRIPTURE ……

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            1 Chronicles
            29:10 Wherefore David blessed the LORD before all the congregation: and David said, Blessed be thou, LORD God of Israel our father, for ever and ever.
            29:11 Thine, O LORD, is the greatness, and the power, and the glory, and the victory, and the majesty: for all that is in the heaven and in the earth is thine; thine is the kingdom, O LORD, and thou art exalted as head above all.
            29:12 Both riches and honour come of thee, and thou reignest over all; and in thine hand is power and might; and in thine hand it is to make great, and to give strength unto all.
            29:13 Now therefore, our God, we thank thee, and praise thy glorious name.
            29:14 But who am I, and what is my people, that we should be able to offer so willingly after this sort? for all things come of thee, and of thine own have we given thee.
            29:15 For we are strangers before thee, and sojourners, as were all our fathers: our days on the earth are as a shadow, and there is none abiding.

            NOTHING ABIDING from us …. INCLUDING our SUPPOSED “free will” …………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “God does want to save everyone , he has no wish that anyone will perish”

            Then Hell must be the monument to God and Christs failure to save everybody …. is that correct?

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            then you disagree with Father/Son/Holy Spirit …. good to know ………..

          • ppp777

            That’s what you say .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Ephesians
            2:5 Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;)
            2:6 And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:
            2:7 That in the ages to come he might shew the exceeding riches of his grace in his kindness toward us through Christ Jesus.
            2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
            2:9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

            your supposed “free will” ….. IS A WORK …. YOUR WORK …. and the scripture plainly says …. NOT OF WORKS …. LEST ANT MAN SHOULD BOAST ….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Lord, I thank you I am not like those poor presumptuous Calvinists. Lord, I was born with a glorious free-will; I was born with power by which I can turn to you of myself. I have improved my grace. If everybody had done the same with their grace that I have–then they might all have been saved. Lord, I know You do not make us willing, if we are not willing ourselves. You give grace to everybody; some do not improve it, but I do. There are many who will go to Hell as much bought with the blood of Christ as I was; they had as much of the Holy Spirit given to them; they had as good a chance, and were as much blessed as I am. It was not Your grace that made us to differ; I know it did a great deal–still I turned the point! I made use of what was given to me, and others did not–that is the difference between me and them.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            You BOAST in your works ………..

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Isaiah
            10:1 Woe unto them that decree unrighteous decrees, and that write grievousness which they have prescribed;
            10:2 To turn aside the needy from judgment, and to take away the right from the poor of my people, that widows may be their prey, and that they may rob the fatherless!
            10:3 And what will ye do in the day of visitation, and in the desolation which shall come from far? to whom will ye flee for help? and where will ye leave your glory?
            10:4 Without me they shall bow down under the prisoners, and they shall fall under the slain. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.
            10:5 O Assyrian, the ROD OF MINE ANGER, and THE STAFF IN THEIR HAND IS MINE indignation.
            10:6 I WILL SEND HIM against an hypocritical nation, and against the people of my wrath will I give him a charge, to take the spoil, and to take the prey, and to tread them down like the mire of the streets.
            10:7 Howbeit he meaneth not so, neither doth his heart think so; but it is in his heart to destroy and cut off nations not a few.
            10:8 For he saith, Are not my princes altogether kings?
            10:9 Is not Calno as Carchemish? is not Hamath as Arpad? is not Samaria as Damascus?
            10:10 AS MY HAND hath found the kingdoms of the idols, and whose graven images did excel them of Jerusalem and of Samaria;
            10:11 SHALL NOT I, AS I HAVE DONE unto Samaria and her idols, so do to Jerusalem and her idols?
            10:12 Wherefore it shall come to pass, that when the LORD HATH PERFORMED his whole work upon mount Zion and on Jerusalem, I will punish the fruit of the stout heart of the king of Assyria, and the glory of his high looks.
            10:13 For he saith, By the strength of my hand I have done it, and by my wisdom; for I am prudent: and I have removed the bounds of the people, and have robbed their treasures, and I HAVE PUT DOWN the inhabitants like a valiant man:
            10:14 AND MY HAND hath found as a nest the riches of the people: and as one gathereth eggs that are left, have I gathered all the earth; and there was none that moved the wing, or opened the mouth, or peeped.
            10:15 Shall the axe boast itself against him that heweth therewith? or shall the saw magnify itself against him that shaketh it? as if the rod should shake itself against them that lift it up, or as if the staff should lift up itself, as if it were no wood.
            10:16 Therefore shall the Lord, the Lord of hosts, send among his fat ones leanness; and under his glory he shall kindle a burning like the burning of a fire.
            10:17 And the light of Israel shall be for a fire, and his Holy One for a flame: and it shall burn and devour his thorns and his briers in one day;
            10:18 And shall consume the glory of his forest, and of his fruitful field, both soul and body: and they shall be as when a standard-bearer fainteth.
            10:19 And the rest of the trees of his forest shall be few, that a child may write them.
            10:20 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the remnant of Israel, and such as are escaped of the house of Jacob, shall no more again stay upon him that smote them; but shall stay upon the LORD, the Holy One of Israel, in truth.
            10:21 The remnant shall return, even the remnant of Jacob, unto the mighty God.
            10:22 For though thy people Israel be as the sand of the sea, yet a remnant of them shall return: the consumption decreed shall overflow with righteousness.
            10:23 For the Lord GOD of hosts shall make a consumption, even determined, in the midst of all the land.
            10:24 Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD of hosts, O my people that dwellest in Zion, be not afraid of the Assyrian: he shall smite thee with a rod, and shall lift up his staff against thee, after the manner of Egypt.
            10:25 For yet a very little while, and the indignation shall cease, and mine anger in their destruction.
            10:26 And the LORD of hosts shall stir up a scourge for him according to the slaughter of Midian at the rock of Oreb: and as his rod was upon the sea, so shall he lift it up after the manner of Egypt.
            10:27 And it shall come to pass in that day, that his burden shall be taken away from off thy shoulder, and his yoke from off thy neck, and the yoke shall be destroyed because of the anointing.
            10:28 He is come to Aiath, he is passed to Migron; at Michmash he hath laid up his carriages:
            10:29 They are gone over the passage: they have taken up their lodging at Geba; Ramah is afraid; Gibeah of Saul is fled.
            10:30 Lift up thy voice, O daughter of Gallim: cause it to be heard unto Laish, O poor Anathoth.
            10:31 Madmenah is removed; the inhabitants of Gebim gather themselves to flee.
            10:32 As yet shall he remain at Nob that day: he shall shake his hand against the mount of the daughter of Zion, the hill of Jerusalem.
            10:33 Behold, the Lord, the LORD OF HOSTS, SHALL LOP THE BOUGH with terror: and the high ones of stature shall be hewn down, and the haughty shall be humbled.
            10:34 And he shall cut down the thickets of the forest with iron, and Lebanon shall fall by a mighty one.

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            God is the GOD OVER ALL ….. and in this case …. all ….. MEANS ALL …. EVEN YOUR SINS …… God is the restrainer of all SIN …………

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            Election is the first step …. not the middle …. not the last ….. the first …. and if the Elect are predestined to be saved …. then only the Elect will be saved ….. and the rest will not ….. and even if you want to make the argument that there is another group ….. then it is up to you to show the scriptures ……….. but scripture says there are only two groups …. those who hear the good shepherds voice …. His sheep ….. and those who never will ……… as they are not His sheep ……….. and never will be …. because they were never created to be His sheep ……….

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            “you did not answer me apart from accusations .”

            “You are speaking pure heresy , shame on you , there is one kind of false teacher I cannot stand and that is a Calvinist .”

            the accusations began with YOU Sweet Pea ……..

          • Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D.

            ppp777:

            You have clearly been brainwashed by Satan and that milksop Stevie Anderson who would be made a fool of by any real Christian preacher! Relative to the Bible and the Biblical teachings such as TULIP, that nincompoops like yourself call “Calvinism”, since these are 100% Biblical, the Christian will be following the Bible. And in its full historical-grammatical context–not some verse the likes of you or little Stevie would try to “pull out of your hats”, out of context, to claim something they don’t say! Run off now, get yourself a copy of the KJV and try studying it properly, reading what is being taught by it, in full historical, grammatical, chronological, directivist, addressivist, and situational contexts.

            Relative to the verse you cite out of context, that from 2 Peter 3:9, have you actually read it in context of the whole chapter? NOT! Here’s a free lesson, you can thank the T-man later:

            Whom is 2 Peter 3 addressed to? We find it in 2 Peter 3:1, to wit: “This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance”

            To make it very simple for you, it is addressed to CHRISTIANS! Duh!

            Then within 2 Peter 3:19, it states the following, to wit: “The
            Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness;
            but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but
            that all should come to repentance.”

            Whom is the “promise” made to? Whom is the rest of the verse addressed to? To “us-ward”! To those that had been Saved in the name of the Lord! Run off now, and try to actually read the Christian Bible before making a fool out of yourself yet again.

          • ppp777

            If there is any fool here it is you , it is you that is twisting scripture , it is addressed to all, people you add a context that is not even there to back up your apostasy , shame on you , be off with you .

          • Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D.

            ppp777:

            Aren’t you ashamed of lying, you little pagan? The Christian provided you with direct quotation from the Christian Bible to show whom this was addressed to. To wit: “This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance”. Beloved with pure minds by way of remembrance refers to all people??? NOT! Creating context? NOT!

            Run off now, fraud, back to your falsehood peddling Stevie Anderson. John 8:44.

          • ppp777

            Again your trying to make it mean what it clearly doesn’t mean , he is talking to his own referring to all people , that is clear .

          • This style 10/6

            You are the kind of person who gives Christians a bad name. Predestination!

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            here is the list of RECOGNIZED heresies ….. WHICH ONE ………. FYI ….. the one at the very bottom is WHAT YOU ADVOCATE ….. that we have even one thing to do with our salvation ……….

            Abortionism The belief that Abortion is not a sin
            Adoptionism The belief Jesus is not eternally God but became God sometime after His birth
            Antinomianism The belief that Christians are not bound by God’s law and are free to sin as they please
            Anti-Paulism The belief that the Apostle Paul was a heretic and that the books he wrote are not a part of Biblical Canon
            Arianism The belief that Jesus and the Holy Spirit are not persons of the Godhead but instead later creations of God the Father
            Behavioral Heresy Unrepentant sin that proves one is not a member of the Body of Christ
            Christian Deism The belief that God does not intervene in or interact with the world
            Dual Covenant Theology The belief that Jews can still be saved without believing in Jesus
            Inclusivism The belief that faith is not necessary for salvation
            Kenosis The belief that Jesus ceased to be divine while on Earth
            Liberalism The belief that Scripture is not inerrant or infallible (Not to be confused with the political system of the same name)
            Limited Theism The belief that God’s powers are or can be limited and He is not All-Powerful
            Macedonianism The belief that God the Holy Spirit is not a member of the Godhead but merely a creation of God
            Manichaeism The belief that good and evil are both equally powerful in ability and/or authority
            Matriatheism* The belief that there is a member of the Godhead who is a mother goddess
            Modalism The belief that the members of the Trinity are not three distinct persons but three different aspects of the same person
            Montanism The belief that the Bible is either insufficient or incomplete, and that new revelation from God is being regularly given
            Neinauferstehungism The denial of the resurrection
            Neo-Orthodoxy The belief that the Bible is not the Inspired Word of God unless it is being read by a believer
            Nonnatarianism* The belief that there are 9 members of the Godhead
            Open Theism The belief that God is not omniscient and doesn’t know the future
            Papal Primacy The belief that the Pope is the head of the Church while it is on Earth as well as the vicar of Christ
            Partialism The belief that each member of the Trinity is 1/3 of God rather than being fully God
            Pelagianism The belief that human nature is untainted by the Fall of Man and is not corrupted with Original Sin
            Pluralism The belief that two or more religions can be true at one time
            Positive Thinking The belief that your thoughts have the God-like ability to create your reality
            Prosperity Gospel The belief that the promises of the Gospel include good physical health and Earthly wealth
            Pullumism* The belief that God is a literal chicken
            Rauschenbuschism* The belief that the point of the Gospel is to be the cure for social issues rather than the forgiveness of sins
            Renatism* The belief that Jesus was born again
            Second Chance Theology The belief that the unsaved will be permitted to repent and trust in Christ after they die
            Tritheism The belief that the Godhead is actually three separate gods
            Universalism The belief that everyone will go to Heaven
            Vinism The belief that homosexuality is not a sin
            Word of Faith The belief that human words have the God-like power to create or destroy
            Works Righteousness The belief that we are saved by works or a combination of faith and works rather than by faith alone

          • ppp777

            You need to elaborate on the last one , while I get off the floor laughing .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            you can laugh all you want ….. you have NO PART in your own salvation ….. none whatsoever ….. you have just as much choice, decision, credit, or merit connected to your being born again ….. as you did when you were born the first time ….. ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, BUPKISS ………………. it is ALL GODS DECISION …….. and NONE OF YOUR OWN ….. lest any man should boast ……….

          • ppp777

            If you think our choice of being born from our mothers womb relates to being born again , then you carry on thinking that , but the bible / reality does not back you up , acts seventeen is one good example .

          • Amos Moses – He>i

            then why does it not have a different word used ….. it MOST CERTAINLY relates to it ….. we have the EXACT same amount of choice in the matter ……. which is NONE …….and if you are referring to Mars Hill ….. it is nothing knew or different ……… unless you want to ascribe some other meaning …………

          • ppp777

            You forgot one , theistic evolution .

    • Trilemma

      Luke 16:19-31 says that Hell has two places, a place that’s fiery and a place that’s paradise. Since aborted babies haven’t done anything to warrant going to the fiery place they will undoubtedly be in the place that’s paradise while they await judgment day.

      • Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D.

        Sodomite:

        Why do you keep lying to us? Do you really think the Christian won’t know the Christian Bible, including the story of Lazarus, to know that the verses of Luke 16:19-31 say nothing of the sort?

        • Rich

          I’m curious Tony, what did you begin your statement with “sodomite”?
          Do you know this individual is homosexual from past experience in the comment section on this site?
          Please understand, I’m not condemning you for stating it, just wondering how you know.

          • Tony Demarcus, Ph.D., D.D.

            Rich:
            Relative to poster monikered “Trilemma,” he used to display a sodomite flag in his avatar. When the Christian asked him about it, he did not disavow this affiliation. Nor did he disavow the disgusting sin of sodomy when called out on it.

            You will find that he promotes falsehoods relative to the teachings found within our Christian Bible (KJV) by using the lying methods of Cathlics and “love theologists,” whereby when he doesn’t like something our Bible states in plain and simple English, he will cherry pick verses out of their historical-grammatical context and present them as supposed evidence in support of his lieberalism. The Bible teaches us to “mark and avoid” such, therefore the Christian marked him as “sodomite.”

        • Trilemma

          Perhaps the Christian would explain where Lazarus was. If the rich man was in hell, then judgment day hadn’t happened yet. That means nobody was yet in the lake of fire or in Heaven. If Lazarus was not in Heaven then where was he?

          • ppp777

            That is a good question , either there was two parts here or a miracle happed .

      • Rich

        Hell does not have 2 places as the unrighteous who die in their sins do not go there until the final judgement (Rev 20:15).
        Sheol/Hades and hell, are two very different places. I believe you confuse the two. Besides Jesus was speaking in a parable.

        • Trilemma

          I was talking to Tony who uses only the KJV. According to the KJV, Hades is hell and the lake of fire is where some people go after they come out of hell and are judged according to their works (Rev 20:13 KJV).

          • Rich

            I would think that Tony is incorrect. There’s only one time people are assigned to hell, not dragged out and then thrown back in again. Might as well have left them there in the first place.
            I do stand by my belief that “hell” is a place of torment and not a paradise as well. Hades yes, perhaps but certainly not hell.

    • ppp777

      Oh have the day off will you .

  • Randolph Reynoldson

    What has changed? Are they too westernized? Abortion is still baby killing and murder!

  • Randolph Reynoldson

    We Christians do not take just one verse or even just two verses from God’s Word; which is also His Will and Law. Taking the entire Bible into account we find a Fair and loving God. I trust God to do His will with those that don’t fit neatly into our rationalizations. Those aborted and unborn are His also, and He gives them to us as a gift to be cared for and loved by us. We are the sinners if we willing sacrifice our babies that are God’s gift.

  • Randolph Reynoldson

    His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to[fn] his own glory and excellence,[fn]

  • Rich

    If I was an abortionist with the gift of prophesy and I had the opportunity of aborting Adolf Hitler, I would not do it.
    We are ALL allowed life and breath by our Creator God. The choices we make when we are old enough to do so will determine our life’s path…some choices lead to evil, some to righteousness and salvation.
    It is not my right to take away that choice, it’s God’s.
    The only way it’s “humanly” possible to remove the possibility of another Nero, Hitler, Mao or Stalin to arise is to abort every baby so the human race dies off. Again, that is not our choice. Herod tried it and failed.
    Abortion is evil personified.
    One day our God will separate the goats from the sheep. He determines who receives eternal life, not us.