Canadian Supreme Court Rules Biblical Speech Opposing Homosexual Behavior is a ‘Hate Crime’


Ottawa, Ontario – The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that Biblical speech opposing homosexual behavior, including in written form, is essentially a hate crime.

On Wednesday, the court upheld the conviction of activist William Whatcott, who found himself in hot water after distributing flyers regarding the Bible’s prohibitions against homosexuality throughout the Saskatoon and Regina neighborhoods in 2001 and 2002. The 7-judge panel consisted of Justices Beverly McLachlin, Louis LeBel, Marie Deschamps, Morris Fish, Rosalie Abellia, Marshall Rothstein and Thomas Cromwell.

“The Bible is clear that homosexuality is an abomination,” one flyer that was found to be in violation stated, citing 1 Corinthians 6:9. “Scripture records that Sodom and Gomorrah was given over completely to homosexual perversion and as a result destroyed by God’s wrath.”

Another flyer, entitled Keep Homosexuality Out of Saskatoon’s Public Schools, was written in response to the recommendation of the Saskatoon School Board that homosexuality be included in school curriculum. The Supreme Court declared the document to be unlawful because it called the homosexual acts that would be taught to children “filthy,” and contended that children are more interested in playing Ken and Barbie than “learning how wonderful it is for two men to sodomize each other.” The justices ruled that because the use of the word “sodomy” only referred to “two men” and not also the sex acts of heterosexuals, it was a direct target against a specific group of people.

Two other flyers that expressed outrage at the male solicitation of sex with boys in a local publication were not found to be in violation of the statute, in part because Whatcott’s citation of Luke 17:2 was not clear on whether it only referred to homosexuals. The verse, which he had handwritten on the handouts, quotes from Jesus Christ.

“If you cause one of these little ones to stumble, it would be better that a millstone was tied around your neck and you were cast into the sea,” it read.

The court insinuated that the Scripture could have been an issue like the other references if used in a way to pertain solely to homosexual persons.

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Whatcott had distributed the flyers over a decade ago to raise awareness of his concerns about both the homosexual parades in Canada, as well as the vulnerability of children in a culture that promotes homosexuality. However, when Canada’s Human Rights Commission found out about the matter, they took him to court, citing him with a hate crime.

The Supreme Court noted in its opinion, among other concerns, that Whatcott’s use of the Bible to target homosexuals was a problem.

“[Whatcott's] expression portrays the targeted group as a menace that could threaten the safety and well-being of others, makes reference to respected sources (in this case the Bible) to lend credibility to the negative generalizations, and uses vilifying and derogatory representations to create a tone of hatred,” the panel ruled on Wednesday.

It pointed back to the lower court ruling, which asserted, “While the courts cannot be drawn into the business of attempting to authoritatively interpret sacred texts such as the Bible, those texts will typically have characteristics which cannot be ignored if they are to be properly assessed in relation to … the [Hate Crimes] Code.”

The judges did note, however, that “it would only be unusual circumstances and context that could transform a simple reading or publication of a religion’s holy text into what could objectively be viewed as hate speech.”

Commentator Andrew Coyne noted that the wording of Canada’s hate crimes law is problematic because it leaves much discretion in the hands of law enforcement.

“The code itself outlaws material that ‘exposes or tends to expose to hatred’ any person or group, on the usual list of prohibited grounds. It is not necessary, that is, to show the material in question actually exposes anyone to hatred — only that it might,” he advised. “The Court then upholds the ban on the grounds that the hatred to which individuals might or might not be exposed might in turn lead others to believe things that might cause them to act in certain unspecified but clearly prejudicial ways: it ‘has the potential to incite or inspire discriminatory treatment,’ or ‘risks’ doing so, or is ‘likely’ to, or at any rate ‘can.’”

Whatcott has now been ordered to pay $7,500 to two homosexuals who took offense at his flyers, as well as to pay the legal fees of the Human Rights Commission — which could cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars.

“The ruling and the reasoning [of the court] is terrible,” he told reporters. “They actually used the concept that truth is not a defense.”

“It’s worse than I expected,” Whatcott added. “What it means is that my life is over as I know it.”

A much different ruling came out of the Alberta Court of Appeals last October, as Pastor Stephen Boissoin was likewise facing hate crimes charges for submitting an op-ed to a local newspaper that outlined his beliefs about homosexual behavior. In releasing its opinion, the court said that Boissoin had a right to express his beliefs on matters such as homosexuality as long as they were focused on a behavior and not a specific person.

“Matters of morality, including the perceived morality of certain types of sexual behavior, are topics for discussion in the public forum. Frequently, expression on these topics arises from deep seated religious conviction, and is not always temperate,” the panel advised. “Boissoin and others have the freedom to think, whether stemming from their religious convictions or not, that  homosexuality is sinful and morally wrong. In my view, it follows that they have the right to express that thought to others.”

However, the Supreme Court of Canada declared Wednesday that oftentimes, it is impossible to say that one loves the sinner and hates the sin. It asserted that the hatred of the act was inseparable from hating the person or person group.

“I agree that sexual orientation and sexual behaviour can be differentiated for certain purposes,” the court outlined. “However, in instances where hate speech is directed toward behaviour in an effort to mask the true target, the vulnerable group, this distinction should not serve to avoid [the hate-crime clause of the Code].”

While speech opposing homosexuality remains legal in the United States, some note that the nation is heading in the same direction as Canada, as discrimination laws are being enforced by state Human Rights Commissions across the country.

A number of incidents have made headlines in recent years where American businesses have been punished for their refusal to accommodate the homosexual lifestyle, such as the story of a photographer in New Mexico that was forced to pay $700 in fines for declining to shoot a same-sex commitment service, to the Vermont bed and breakfast owners who settled a lawsuit with two lesbians who were told by an employee that they could not hold their commitment service on the property. A Kentucky t-shirt screening company was also recently punished for declining to complete a work order involving t-shirts that were to be worn at a local homosexual pride parade. 

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  • http://www.washingtondcevangelists.com/ Washington DC Evangelists

    Can you post a copy of the flyers?

    • Jamie Blair

      COME AND GET ME.

      Genesis 2:24
      Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

      Leviticus 18:22
      Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

      Leviticus 20:13
      If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

      1 Corinthians 6:9-10
      9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

      10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

      Romans 1:26-32
      26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

      27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

      28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

      29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

      30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

      31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

      32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

      • Terri

        great post!

  • Enruobdar

    This is concerning and I think the ruling sets Canadian churches up for trouble potentially. But I am confused what Mr. Whatcott’s desire was in circulating those flyers? Perhaps I am wrong, but I don’t see how focusing on the Law here advances the cause of Gospel. Even if someone is “cut to the heart” and decides that their homosexual behaviour is sinful, they are still lost – broken and in bondage to sin. Not being a homosexual is not what grants us favor in the eyes of God – we only gain that by being aligned with His Son. Crucified with Him, raised with Him and conforming to His image by the power of His Spirit.

    • http://abide-and-endure.net Jeremiah

      Sooooo, following your line of thinking, we should not tell people that the wages of sin is death? Part of repentance is realizing that your sin separates you from God. Part of repentance is being remorseful for your sin. The biblical fact that God calls the sin of homosexuality an abomination, makes it “technically” a worse sin. All sin is wrong, but God does not (to my knowledge) call fornication an abomination. I personally would not have said “abomination” unless pressed on the issue, i.e “christians” who say that homosexuality and a homosexual lifestyle is accepted by God.

  • http://www.bibletruth9.com Alin

    This is crazy. What are they going to do next, ban the bible. It is filled with hate speech by their definition. My goodness!

    • Garrett

      They need to ban the bible. Religion is a disgrace for human nature. You can worship what you please, but when it denies rights for others, you’ve gone to far.

    • Lizzy

      But it is filled with so much hate. The Old Testament is rife with genocide, persecution, murder, misogyny, slavery, racism, infanticide, rape, and so much more.

      But then in the New Testament, we are told that Jesus died for our sins. The Original Sin has long since been forgiven. He teaches us to love one another, to treat each other with kindness and charity. That we don’t need to sacrifice to or for God, nor give pittance and tithe to the temples and churches. That when we pray, that we pray in solitude and know that God will hear our prayers and not be like the hypocrites who preach and pray to the public. And that above all, in order to walk with God, we basically just have to be good people and follow His (Jesus) example.

      For far too long, people have been cloaking their hatred and bigotry under the guise of religion. Bigotry and hate in the name of God is still bigotry and hate.

  • Phyllis

    The day Christians get it right in their own home, God will take care of the sinner!

    Apostle Paul makes it most clear the role of men, women, and children as individuals, as a family and as a church. After that, the rest is easy.

    Start with taking the feminist philosophy out of the church and see how following God’s order opens his storehouse of love and mercy for all.

    When Christians talk and walk God’s way, then we will hear from heaven and He will HEAL our LAND (even the sinner knows right from wrong and will sooner respect our faith when we follow God’s teachings as it was and is).

    Today’s sinful laws and acts are a reflection of today’s liberal Christian behviours within the body of Christ.

    We must humble ourselves and turn from our wicked ways. Yes, covering our heads, ladies, is humbling but it works.

    2 Chronicles 7:14
    1 Cornithians 6: 8-10
    1 Cornithians 11: 2-16
    1 Corinthians 14:33-39
    Ephesians 6:1-4
    Ephesians 5:23-28
    1 Corinthians 11: 10
    Revelations 2:20-23
    Revelations 2: 4-5
    Revelations 22: 12-17

  • http://acceptancefellowship.com Douglas McIntyre

    As one who lived the gay experience for over 25 years and has now lived the freedom that comes from allowing the life changing power of God for another 25 years. My fear is, that the truth of the possibilities of gender identity change are being silenced by those that demand the most tolerance, intolerance will lead to the harming of thousands of youth that could and , in many cases do, find freedom from the lies of those that want only to justify their “lifestyle. The scientific evidence is already available that proves that sexuality is fluid and no one is forever locked in a life without choice. The argument now has evolved down to “it’ my way or no way.” Without calling insults upon anyone the is freedom for all to choose. but choice is now a “hate crime” I guess I will choose to continue to be hated and state emphatically that change is possible!

    Co-founder of one of the oldest ministries for allowing freedom to change from SSA to “normal”

    • phyllis

      Yes, the bible teaches we have a choice– to choose right or wrong as seen in how Jesus said you will have no cloak to hide under. The people who thought Moses wasn’t coming back from Mount Sinai got the shock of their lives, literally, when they had to decide which side they were on, and those who chose sin went under. When laws take away our choice, they take away our ability to think, reason and decide. Yes, now choice (deciding right from wrong) is a “hate crime”. So it seems, Christians will soon have to die for what we believe in… “Matthew 10:39 –Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake (Jesus), will find it.”

  • jini

    If Canadian law doesn’t protect individual liberty, and only that which promotes “the greater good” to society, then what, pray tell, does Homosexuality offer in that regard? We need to ask ourselves the same question here in the USA.

  • Marc

    Maybe instead of only distributing flyers that say “The Bible is clear that homosexuality is an abomination”, now it’s time Christians also start distributing flyers that say: “The supreme court is an abomination”

  • Gary

    We don’t seem to learn very well (mankind) do we , God created everything and if his word says homosexuality is an abomination then that’s exactly what it is . Man makes rules to suite himself (condition , ideals , gain etc)
    We repeat our mistakes over and over , over thousands of years but when we submit to Almighty God and live by His rules we do exceedingly well.
    God Bless .

  • Charles Lawson

    The only way to define human sexuality properly is in context of Genesis. The difficulty is that we said there is no God and that we all evolved from some stagnant pond 4.5 billion years ago. With evolution as the premise and man’s dignity trashed by a supposed animal origin, why wouldn’t society come to the conclusion of the courts today? There can be no sanctity of the marriage institution or human sexuality as defined by evolution.
    The other premise that one commits a “hate” crime for stating his religious belief sounds a bit like the inquisition to me. No one is ever prosecuted for hating anyone. It is only when a person personally harms an individual that we can punish him for his incivility. If we ever accept this premise that the courts have settled on, society is in deep trouble. Anyone can take offence at anything someone else says and file law suits and destroy lives. In this age of “tolerance” we have become the most intolerant society in the history of the world excepting the Dark Ages when Church controlled the state. Why can’t Christian take evolutionists to court for maligning their religious beliefs. Certainly, there are hundreds of examples of the Creationist’s views being openly attacked. Atheists could sue any pastor who preaches a sermon about the wicked receiving the punishment of God. The secularist could sue the pants off Christians for telling them they are lost and going to hell. Free speech means just what it says. If we allow the courts to restrict this liberty in this one area, they will grasp the reigns of society and stop our mouths from saying anything against anyone about anything.

  • http://yahoo Bayo A. Atayero

    I am not surprised by this development only that believers should grow up and wisen up to the fact that the Devil is already preparing the ground and reasons for our persecution come tomorrow. The futuro isn’t going to be palatable for the Christian committed to witnessing the truth as this may be subjected several other codes like the one referred to here.
    Meanwhile, the polución is going on and the Churchill is working actively in aiding and abetting the process. How do we reconcile this?

    But then, all of this happenings, and many more to come, point to the fact that we are in the end times and the perilous times are here. Christian must therefore be encouraged to develop God, preacher the gospel in season and out of season, evangelize through all know avenues of communication and of course stand for the truth for the Churchill is the pillar and ground of truth.

    The end is nearest so be ware!!

  • DS

    Move to the USA Bro!

    When a government loses its moral compass they become a tyranny.

    Jesus’s mom & dad moved to Egypt to escape a tyrant. You should too. Yeah, we’ve got one in office now, but he’ll be gone soon, as will his illegal policies.

  • MurrayC

    Hey,Christians, let me ask you a question…

    At which point in time did Christianity claim ownership of morality? Was it BEFORE or AFTER the Crusades when millions of non christians died, or was forced to convert to, in the name of your imaginary friend?

  • EarlC

    It’s about time!

  • max benser

    Bible?
    1. Genocide
    2. Hate
    3. Racism
    4. Vandalism
    5. MASS-Killing
    6. Wars
    7. Pedophily&Sex
    8. CANNIBALISM
    9. Superstition

    Atheist 100%!!!

  • max benser

    1. US-Town HARDESTY against Atheism!!!
    2. US-State Texas against Atheism!
    3. US-State California against american Atheists!
    4. Catholic-Nazi-State Croatia against croatian Atheists!
    5. Croatians News Paper wrote very bad about crim. Bible in Canada!
    6. Croatians and Serbs christian ideological War against Atheists!
    7. Serbs President T. Nikolic: “Atheists in Serbia are not a people”
    8. Serbia: “Kill Atheists” Luke 19:27.

    Atheist 100%!!!

    • Alexander

      What are you talking about?

      Atheists are surely much more violent than Christians… Anyway you look at it.

      Now please don’t mention inquisition and crusades, as that is so lame, and out of context.

  • swen

    Um, I am considering myself atheist, but I would leave bible alone.Koran has much worse things interpreted against all religions that are not following Koran.I think majority of priest do not read this parts of bible in Canada simply, I think religion has gone with times and do try to be politically correct.If those “hateful” parts are there, than ban other religions preachings verses not just Christians.

  • PearlyQ

    Canada is wrong. To say that someone cannot love a person, but not embrace their behaviour is totally insane. Duh! This occurs daily in all relationships! So, for example, a parent who has a child on drugs doesn’t lose the ability to love the child yet hate the fact the kid is on drugs! Second of all, homosexuality is one of MANY sinful behaviours the BIBLE itself says is wrong. The Christians didn’t make this up, it’s been in the Bible staring at us for 4000 years! Stop blaming the Christians for having the right to believe what they believe. All Christians have their own sin they have turned from or are turning from. The Bible means for ALL to Turn from their sin and turn toward Christ. NO ONE can call themselves a Christian who intentionally practices what the Bible calls sin. You will have no genuine relationship with Christ if you do anyway, so stop kidding yourselves. The Bible also says that liars, adulterers, drunkards and so on will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Like it or lump it. I didn’t write the Bible.

    • Robby Clewley

      NO Canada is RIGHT. Being gay isnt a sin . Plus its none of your business what others do , who others marry, etc. It IS a hate crime and you just committed it. God loves us all but he says not to judge . You should be ashamed of yourself.

      • Sunny D

        It’s none of your business if someone wants to send out leaflets. Sending out leaflets is not a sin. It is a hate crime to say that someone is being hateful. If God doesn’t judge , then why are you? Your judging someone by telling them they committed a hate crime and by telling them to be ashamed of themselves. You are very hateful.

      • Sientje Seinen

        And it is not a hate crime when you sue someone whom doesnt hold your viewpoint and doesnt want to bake your wedding cakes? take the beam out of your own eye first. and G-d clearly tells us that homosexuality is an abomination, and send christ who suffered terribly for these sins of the flesh and outside the body. So you are also mocking Christ;s suffering.

        • Robby Clewley

          and yes you should be sued if you discriminate and not baking a cake for a loving couple.

          • NinjaQuick

            What if said loving couple, were, say, pedophiles, or cannibals?

          • Robby Clewley

            You seriously compared pedos and cannibals to gay people? SICKO

          • NinjaQuick

            I honestly cannot see how two things that are more natural, biologically speaking, than homosexuality is, can be considered as something worse.

            Your moral and ethical bias is so strongly determined by what your environment tells you to be true that you honestly can’t think things logically?

            As a sexual human, an active participant in the genetic history of our species, homosexuals are a disgusting abomination that do nothing to further the species.

            What is the root of your stance? Some social justice crusade? How is your humanist belief and arbitrary selection of what is right and wrong superior to, say, a thousand year old (or older) system that determined homosexuality to be an abomination?

            How is your belief, in and of itself, not also a twisted and perverted religion?

          • Robby Clewley

            you are an EVIL person , being gay is not wrong or against God . The bible is like any other book,,, written by a MAN . God loves ALL people so I suggest you look at yourself and your hate and SIN. Man you are STUPID. You are a BIGOT and if I wasnt a Christian id send you to heaven . asshole. I HIGHLY suggest you dont respond or write me anymore Ninja

          • NinjaQuick

            I know I am a sinner. That said, I will not sit idly while others justify the sins of others, and even convince themselves that what they are doing is not sin. The only victory in the scenario you desire is the darkness of the world – Satan.

            You call yourself a christian, but do you even believe in Christ, as the son of God, sent to deliver us from eternal death?

            Or is that all invalid because it is in the Bible, a book written by man?

            Last I checked, the justifications of homosexuality are also written, or spoken by man. How is it that one man’s words carry more weight than another’s? Is it because one makes you uncomfortable, even angry?

            You’re fighting a losing battle, on the wrong side, on the side of hate, and oppression.

          • Robby Clewley

            Not fighting a losing battle , last I checked every other week states are making gay marriage LEGAL . I am so thankfully for separation of church and state :) God is about LOVE and why should you or anyone else say whom one should be able to love? You should not and God loves us all the same . Being gay is not a sin. Its not in the 10 commandments

          • Spotted Feather

            There are more laws than just those 10. Last time I checked, it was a sin to see someone in need and not act to help them. That’s not in the 10 commandments either….

          • canucklehead

            You seem to miss the point, yet again. Conveniently avoiding the question of why people like you crusade on this one issue when so many, more common ones take a back seat.

            Live and let live.

          • Spotted Feather

            I’m not avoiding anything. People like me ? What kind of people is that ? I don’t crusade on anything. If GOD says it’s wrong, it’s wrong. I don’t focus on this one issue and avoid all others. I speak to the topic at hand. In this case, homosexualtiy and sin.

          • canucklehead

            LOL!! What “God” says? You’ve spoken with him recently? If so, get help. If you start quoting your book, prove it was inspired by your “God”. If you can’t, stop telling everyone else how to live and love.

          • Spotted Feather

            If you’re not a christian, why are you even here ? Do I go posting in boards that have nothing to do with me ? No. I hate Baseball, which isn’t a sport, so I don’t go in MLB message boards talking about how much I hate baseball. If all you want to do is ridicule things you don’t like and don’t believe, why are you here ? I’m sorry that you don’t have morals, friend. But we civilized people were taught that if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all. So, why don’t you take that little bit of common sense advice and quit making things up that people have said and calling them names ? Especially when nobody here has attacked you and called you names. Wouldn’t YOU get upset if someone called you names and said you were things that you were not ?

          • canucklehead

            I’m here because I’m Canadian and agree with this ruling. I mean, isn’t what this article is about? I’m also gay, so yeah, this article has everything to do with me. What’s it to you? Why does it bother you that your beliefs are challenged with logic?

            You confuse sin with morals. Sin is a concept within your religion and has nothing to do with me. Morality, on the other hand, exists irrespective of religion. I challenge you to define why homosexuality is immoral. That mean, do it without citing your religious beliefs. You can’t… and that’s why I have a better understanding of morality than you do.

            By the way, you were the one who started by calling ME a liar. Funny how you’ve managed to convince yourself that you were the victim. Such a good Christian.

          • Spotted Feather

            You called me a liar first, my friend. That’s a fact. And I never said that this thing affects me. Not once. Thanks again for making things up. And just so you know, you keep talking about my religion. I don’t have a religion. I don’t believe in religion. I believe in GOD, plain and simple. I believe in following what GOD says, not what man says that GOD says.

            I don’t confuse sin with morals. They’re the same thing. Doing something wrong is sinning or, in other words, having bad morals.

            I CAN. Anything that doesn’t aid the propagation of the human race.is wrong and immoral.

          • canucklehead

            Hmmm. Interesting. Let’s look this “fact” up:

            My comment:

            “By the way, even leaders of many Christian churches have softened on the rhetoric against homosexuality. The pope himself is suggesting that the civilized world is changing and that condemning homosexuals is unjust. Yet you seem to think you know better.”

            “You need to look within yourself and ask why you personally harbour such negativity towards gays, when even leaders of your own religion disagree with you. Is such a belief truly because of your religion? Why does it matter to you so much how others love?”

            “Live and let live.”

            Your response:

            “For someone to change the way the word of GOD is used is completely wrong. GOD’s word is GOD’s word. It doesn’t change and humans definately can’t and shouldn’t change it. I don’t seem to think I know better. I just know that when the bible says that man can’t change the world of GOD, then man shouldn’t change the word of GOD.”

            “I don’t harbour any negativity towards gays. Thank you so much for lying about what I do or don’t believe or do. If GOD says something is wrong, then it’s wrong. If GOD says something is good, then it’s good. And the leaders of my religion don’t disagree with me. I’m Christian, not catholic. Therefore, the leaders of my “religion” (I don’t believe in religion, by the way) are GOD and Jesus. And like I said, when the say something, that’s the way it always is. I doesn’t and can’t change.”

            This was immediately before I cited you as a liar… and you’re doing it again.

            And no, sin is not the same as morals. Sin is a religious concept. Morality is a sociological one. While “sin” is a concept based on morality, morality exist outside of the concept of “sin”. Similarly, an apple is a fruit but a fruit is not an apple. See how that works? Please get educated before continuing to participate in this debate. As it is, it’s too easy.

            Regarding “Anything that doesn’t aid the propagation of the human race.is wrong and immoral.”, LOL!! Thanks for showing the world what a nut job you are. So, an elderly married couple who have sex are being immoral? What about married couples who choose to not have children? So, in your world, any sexual intercourse done without the intent of having a child is considered immoral. I gotccha.

            With that, I see it is pointless to debate with you as you’re clearly out of your mind. Continue living your life in fear and keep on telling everyone else how to live. You must be fun at parties (assuming you’re ever invited to any).

            Ciao.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you love human beings that is your problem you love the lawyers who make big money on making new laws and what did our Lord say about lawyers? “Woe unto ye lawyers who make it difficult for people to give thanks to the lord and load them with unbearable burdens which you gays do by persecuting christians whom do not want to make cakes for something they believe God calls an abomination and since when are you greater than God in your wisdom?

          • Spotted Feather

            Well, GOD says that being gay is against HIM. Also, if you don’t believe in the bible truth that it was written by GOD (which it was) and says what GOD does and doesn’t do, then how do you know what He does or doesn’t do ?

          • Robby Clewley

            No he does not say it is against him . God is about LOVE . Period

          • Spotted Feather

            You really didn’t read that part of the bible where GOD says being gay is wrong ? HIM saying gay is wrong doesn’t mean GOD isn’t about love. Since your mind seems to be clouded for some reason, you can love someone but not love what they do. How can you not understand something so simple ?

          • Robby Clewley

            Being gay is being who we are . It is NOT wrong but believe what you will. You have no right to say anything about gay people. It does not affect your life at all so why do you even care. My gay relationship or bi relationships wont affect your straight one.

          • Spotted Feather

            I thought that you believed in GOD and the bible. If so, how can you possibly pick and choose which parts to ignore ?

          • Robby Clewley

            I believe in parts that are about LOVE and ACCEPTANCE. That is what God is about. Thats why I dont watch these hateful homophobic pastors who just condemn people. I watch joel Osteen as he uplifts the human spirit with God’s message of everlasting love.

          • Spotted Feather

            You watch Joel Osteen ? Have you completely missed the part where he agrees that being gay is wrong ? And don’t think I’m making it up. He’s said it himself multiple times.

          • Robby Clewley

            But he doesnt preach about it . He says its not his place to judge , thats up to God and its between God and the person. You just preach hate . You should be ashamed of what you have become.

          • Spotted Feather

            He doesn’t say that being gay is wrong ? Have you not seen his interviews ? I don’t preach hate….for people, anyway. I don’t preach hate for anything other than sinful behaviour. You know, like how GOD says to ?

            I should feel ashamed that I follow what GOD says is right and wrong ? I should feel ashamed for taking care of baby animals ? I should feel ashamed for helping people that need help ? I should feel ashamed for not saying that I’m GOD or that GOD made me do something bad (taking the lord’s name in vain) ?

          • Robby Clewley

            You can follow what you think God says in your own life but you have no right to judge others and then so ” oh god says so” God didnt ask you to judge others. ” Dont judge lest you be judged ” You are a hypocrite

          • Spotted Feather

            I don’t follow what I THINK GOD says. I follow what HE says. Simple as that. I don’t judge people….which GOD says not to do. I

          • canucklehead

            And on behalf of those whom you feel you have the right to judge, I say, keep your beliefs to yourself. I’d be more than happy to tell you how you should live your life but quite frankly, I’m more than happy to let you live in ignorance.

          • Spotted Feather

            Again, since people can’t seem to understand this. I don’t judge people, as the bible says not to. I judge behavior, which the bible DOES say to do. It’s as simple as that. And I am far from ignorant. In this case, I am using the word correctly, canucklhead. Unlike you. You do know that it means you don’t know something….right ?

          • canucklehead

            Actually, it seems you’re the one who is misunderstanding. When Jesus said, “he without sin can cast the first stone”, this was a commentary on judgement of behaviour (in this case, what Christianity considered “sin”). So no, your bible DOESN’T condone the judgement of behaviour, because, as Jesus suggest, we all “sin”.

          • Spotted Feather

            Who said there are only ten laws ? The 10 commandments were/are just the main ones. And that part where you says that the bible doesn’t condone the judgement of behaviour……guessing you’ve missed the parts where the bible condones judgement of behaviour….

            “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”
            In other words, don’t judge the person, judge their behaviour.

            “judge your neighbor fairly”

            This speaks for it’s self.

            “judge fairly, whether the case is between two Israelites or between an Israelite and a foreigner residing among you.”

            “He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;”

            I take this to mean judge by the law and what’s right and wrong.

            Judge not according to the appearance,…. Or through respect of persons, and so as to please men, the Scribes and Pharisees; who had condemned the action of Christ, in curing the diseased man on the sabbath day, and sought to kill him for it:

            “but judge righteous judgment; give your sense and judgment of things, according to the truth and evidence of them; and do not find fault with that, which you yourselves allow of, and which Moses and his law, and your own practices, justify.”

            Again, this is self explanatory.

          • Sientje Seinen

            plus Jesus also said. :Go and sin no more” something you dont mention and the other saying is this. “Fear God who has the power to cast ye into hell” and since God has forbidden homosexuality and you do not repent where do you think you are heading?

          • canucklehead

            By the way, even leaders of many Christian churches have softened on the rhetoric against homosexuality. The pope himself is suggesting that the civilized world is changing and that condemning homosexuals is unjust. Yet you seem to think you know better.

            You need to look within yourself and ask why you personally harbour such negativity towards gays, when even leaders of your own religion disagree with you. Is such a belief truly because of your religion? Why does it matter to you so much how others love?

            Live and let live.

          • Spotted Feather

            For someone to change the way the word of GOD is used is completely wrong. GOD’s word is GOD’s word. It doesn’t change and humans definately can’t and shouldn’t change it. I don’t seem to think I know better. I just know that when the bible says that man can’t change the world of GOD, then man shouldn’t change the word of GOD.

            I don’t harbour any negativity towards gays. Thank you so much for lying about what I do or don’t believe or do. If GOD says something is wrong, then it’s wrong. If GOD says something is good, then it’s good. And the leaders of my religion don’t disagree with me. I’m Christian, not catholic. Therefore, the leaders of my “religion” (I don’t believe in religion, by the way) are GOD and Jesus. And like I said, when the say something, that’s the way it always is. I doesn’t and can’t change.

          • canucklehead

            Your comments speak for themselves and you’re the one that’s lying if you say otherwise. No wonder Christians are so disliked by so many. Hypocrites like you make the good ones look bad.

            As far as Christian vs Catholic, you do realize that Catholicism is a Christian sect, right? Additionally, you earlier cited the names of several religions as one unified majority. So which is it? Each belief system is separate and we must respect them all or all religions speak as a single majority?

          • Spotted Feather

            I am not a liar. I don’t lie to anyone about anything. Never have. How am I a hypocrite ? What have I said but did the opposite ? You don’t know me. As for catholics being Christian….not hardly. Christians pray to Jesus and GOD. That’s it. catholics pray to hundreds of others. That’s wrong. Christians don’t call anyone Father unless it’s GOD or their biological fathers. Jesus said that calling someone other than your actual father, Father, is wrong.

            I realize that I posted about several different religions. So what ? I never once said they were unified. I was saying that all of the major religions say that being gay is wrong. And ?

          • canucklehead

            What? You sound upset. You don’t like it when someone calls you a liar? Go figure.

            As for what “God” said, what evidence do you have that the supreme being said anything? Oh right, it’s in the bible, a book written by man. What, it’s inspired by your god you say? How do you know that. Ahhh yes, it says so in that book.

            Good going telling everyone about what “God” approves of and doesn’t approve of. Without any actual proof or evidence, you’ve been lying to yourself and everyone about the existence of such a god. It’s the biggest lie in history, after all.

          • Spotted Feather

            You mean without any evidence that you’ll accept. And yeah, I’m upset when people, with no basis, calls me a liar. In no way, shape, or form am I a liar. As I said, I never lie to anyone about anything. Where do you get that I lie ?

          • canucklehead

            LOL!! Interesting that you are so offended by being called a liar but you don’t hesitate to call me one. You’re such a good Christian… blindly following whatever you’re told. Good for you.

            There is zero proof your God said anything, let alone even exists. And before you start blabbing about how life existing is proof in itself, look up the meaning of “proof”. Just because something is unexplainable doesn’t mean a supreme being caused it.

          • Spotted Feather

            Of course, I get offended by being called a liar when I’m not one. You call me a liar but still have failed to point out where I’ve lied. I don’t blindly follow whatever I’m told. Why do you keep making things up that I believe or don’t believe ?

          • KenS

            Catholicism ceased to be christian when it married with the government and pagan religions years ago and became a cult at that time.

          • Sientje Seinen

            because when you love the Lord Christ Jesus and know He gave His life for you, you dont stand quietly and have gays mock His suffering, as He took on the wrath of God for the sins of the flesh and those outside the flesh, to mock Christ;s sacrifice so that we could inherit eternal life, will surely provoke the Lord God to anger, are you willing to take on God’s anger and are able to stand before Him, when you condone you are giving your stamp of approval to same May the Lord have mercy on you.

          • Sientje Seinen

            actually or Lord Christ Jesus said. “Judge with righteous judment, and since the Lord God Himself calls homosexuality an abomination are we suppose to say God is wrong in His Word, No you are ensnared by satan, wanting people to rebel against the Word of God, the same as the serpent tried to bewitch Adam and eve, we are aware of his craftiness, you are under his control, turn to the Lord who will abundantly pardon, when you come with a contrite spirit and humble in your heart not walkin in your own wisdom

          • Sientje Seinen

            well since God chastises everyone whom He receives, seems to me you have not been chosen or accepted as you havent repented or changed to accept Christ as your Lord and saviour instead of demanding God to accept your behaviour.

          • Sientje Seinen

            That is not true it is written God spoke these Words “Jacob I loved but Esau I hated? and why did God hate Esau, because He was irreverent did despise his inheritance and the Word of God, like you do by making it a lie, It was written by Holy men inspired by the Holy spirit which proceeds from the Lord God.

          • Sam

            Hi, you are not a Christian. Please stop calling yourself that. You’re a complete disgrace to all true Christians out there. So just stop. Everything in the Bible is true and that is what real Christians believe in. In Genesis, God created a man and woman; neither man and man nor woman and woman. So yeah…which cult do you belong to? ;)

          • Robby Clewley

            YES I am a Christian. I belong to the Metro Community CHRISTIAN church here in San Francisco. God says not to hate, yeah you obeyed that one real well. I will NEVER stop calling myself what I am …. a CHRISTIAN.

          • KenS

            how can you claim to be a Christian and say that the bible is written by man and is like any other book?

          • Robby Clewley

            because i love and believe in god. just dont think all of the bible is accurate or up to modern times. how can you as a christian be in favor of what bible says about homosexuality

          • KenS

            To be a Christian you can not choose what parts of the bible you believe, it is all or nothing

          • Robby Clewley

            I believe the bible but not the hateful parts. It says if you curse your parents , steal , have sex outside of marriage and have gay sex you should be put to death. Do you really approve of that ?

          • Sientje Seinen

            well you do recruit dont you, otherwise this man would have been left alone to raise his children instead the gay recruited him and enticed him away from his family. though I must say the man was weak in the first place.

          • Robby Clewley

            recruit ? lol. We dont recruit , I am Bisexual . but gay people do not recruit . That is so absurd. We just support other gay and bi people who face oppression by the likes of people like YOU.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you do recruit whether you want to admit or not, since you live a lie, why would you not lie about recruiting, why are you making sexual orientation in the schools such an issue, as the kids got along fine long before any of your got out of the closet, so you do foist your beliefs on the very young , why are you as a you say you are a christian not putting forth to have prayers put back into the schools, of course not that isnt on your agenda is it, and you call yourself a christian?

          • Sientje Seinen

            and you should be sued for the hatred to wards us and calling us names, how very unchristian of you. shame on you, as you are intolerant towards anyone who doesnt follow your own wordly wisdom.

          • darryl

            God does love everyone but he does not like the sins we chose to enjoy

          • Sientje Seinen

            not true why would God say “Jacob I loved but Esau I hated, because Esau was irreverent did not honour his mother rebecca, and since Christ came to take away the sins of the world Christ is not an agent of sin, as When we sin wilfully after coming to know the Truth, there is only fear of judgment.” as there is no more sacrifice for sin,as they deliberately hold the Son of man Christ up to ridicule and shame.”

          • Robby Clewley

            I love Christ , and so does my husband . We go to church and worship the lord. Who are you to speak out against homosexuality anyway .. it does not affect you what gay people do

          • Sientje Seinen

            it does when they parade it down our streets, when sexual orientation is taught in the schools, which has no place in the schools, as it is the parents responsibility. We dont want it taught that homosexual relations are natural, It is not blessed by the Lord as you mock Christ suffering for these sins of the flesh and those outside the body. He paid the price for you with His blood at calvary, and if you deny the Lord He will also deny you before His father in heaven, who forbid homosexual relations.

          • Robby Clewley

            I never deny the lord , I love the lord with all of my heart and he LOVES and ACCEPTS me. He does not forbid two men or two women in a monogamous relationship. More straight people have sexuality immorality than gay people. You believe what you believe and I will believe what I believe BUT no matter what you feel about this issue gay pride parades will still happen, gay marriage will continue to be made legal in more and more places and acceptance will still be taught in schools. sex education has been taught for years and sex outside of marriage has been taught to kids in schools , dont hear anyone complaining there. Its parents like you that create hate crimes against gay people by teaching your kids this HATE. It does not matter cause we are winning and homosexuality is accepted. So speak for God all you want cause he speaks to my heart and I know I am going to Heaven .

          • Sientje Seinen

            well then you are mocking Christ great suffering on calvary who died and shed His blood for you to repent of your sins and ask Him to come and make His abode with you. aS sin and the Lord cannot walk together, as Adam lost communion with God after his disobedience in the garden of Eden. you provoke the Lord God to anger with mocking Christ great suffering for our sins, repent and turn to the Lord God whom will abundantly pardon, as with the more lawlessness increases the sooner our Lord and saviour will appear to rescue us from your depraved lifestyles and forcing upon our children, and the wrath of God will rest upon you continually. for you mocking Christ suffering for your sinfullness.

          • canucklehead

            A parent’s jurisdiction on the education of his offsprihg is not boundless. If a parent chooses to teach his child that murder is okay, it would be considered child abuse and the child should be removed from the home for the child’s safety.

          • Sientje Seinen

            no christian parent would teach their child that murder is okay since it is in the commandments, why dont you educate yourself about what a christian teaches their children instead of assuming, you are probably voted in for abortions, which is also murder, see your government has refused to listen to the Word of God and walks in its own wisdom, not surprised the U.S.A is going down the tubes fast. No thankfullness and giving God praise to the Lord for all its blessings. now worshipping humans is the god of the day.

          • canucklehead

            You have problems understanding the concept of an analogy, don’t you? Oh, thanks for the “education” on Christian teachings. Based on your comments, I would have thought it was all about the denial of facts, promoting bigotry, telling everyone else how to run their lives by following a work of fiction. I mean, your comments are so absurd, I’m starting to think you’re trying to be sarcastic and being ironical.

            If your god is so against homosexuals, why does he keep making them? If you think it is so easy to recruit straight people to have gay relations, you must an inmate attraction to other women and at some point in your life, had to choose to be with men (or to be celibate?). Because we all choose the gender we’re attracted to, right?

            The line of thinking by people like you lacks all logic… which explains why it is so easy for you to so confidently believe that a book, written by man, is inspired by an all knowing, all seeing god. And you all know this… because the book you believe says so. That about sums it up, right?

          • Sientje Seinen

            you have a big problem because of your unbelief. since God does not create you in the womb homosexual, a baby has no knowledge of right or wrong only wants its need satisfied, therefore homosexuals dont out grow the need to have their lustfull desires satisfied, they are known as the spawns of satan, as God clearly told this to satan in Genesis 4 verses 14 and 15, as they are now ensnared by satan to do his will and bring mankind into rebellion agains the Lord God, you are the tares which were sown by satan, and the Lord will gather the wheat but burn those tares when He returns. Come Lord Jesus come No it because we have a reverence for the Lord God in our hearts, that is why we turn away from sinfull ways which He has forbidden. since that is not in your heart, except to rebel against the lord and His word, you are ripe for satan to use you to try and destroy the works of the Lord.

          • canucklehead

            You need help. Get some before it’s too late.

          • Sientje Seinen

            because the reason Christ was sent to call everyone to repentance, just because you go to church doesnt make you a christian. to worship the Lord Christ Jesus is to give your life over to Him,and ask Him to cleanse your heart from wicked thoughts and desires, since God the father of Christ has forbidden homosexual relations, and Christ paid the penalty for same, if you love the Lord for paying the price for your sins then cease from sinning and give praise to the Lord God of Israel for sending Christ to redeem you from the road to destruction. Do you honour your father and mother and are able to give them their own grandchildren? or do you despise them and not honour the family name by letting it die out? remember the Lord said to honour your parents so that the days will be long in the land the Lord your God giveth you. He created Eve for Adam as a helpmate, not another man

          • Robby Clewley

            People like you act like you are sinless. Love is love and gay love is accepted by God . Hate is not though so if anyone will be denied entry into God’s kingdom I think it will be you. I feel sorry for you , to have such hate in your heart for another human being. You are a sad sad woman

          • lynn hooker

            Robby, the only hate I see on this forum is from you. You continue to call names and call Christians who are trying to warn you of your sin as hateful bigots. You do realize that Jesus wrote BOTH the Old and the New Testaments right? Both condemn homosexuality. How is it that when a Christian warns the unrepentant of sin we are now “sinless” as you say? I’m sure you are familiar with Christ’s teachings on judging in Matthew 7. To say the bottom line of this chapter is “do not judge,” would be an ignorant statement. Christ is against hypocritical judging and not dealing with our own issues and sins. I know of no sincere Christian who loves the Lord and refuses to deal with their sins and issues-if they REALLY love the Lord we would OBEY Him. I John tells us that if we continue to sin after coming to the Lord then we are liars and the truth is not in us. Jesus Christ came to this earth with two very distinguishing characteristics-Grace AND Truth. He did not preach “I love you and you can live any way you see fit.” Nor did He preach “You are so horrible that I can’t love you.” His message was “You are lost in your sin, but I love you so much I will take your place of punishment. Turn from your sin and turn to me.” I have been a Christian for over 31 years and have been faithfully studying it that long. I find it to be a liberating work of art. HOWEVER, it is also the sword of Truth and judgement by which all will be judged who REFUSE to turn from sin. Your sin of homosexuality is no worse than any other sin. Yet, your sin of homosexuality will demand payment when you stand before God. Why would you choose sin over such a wonderful Savior? There is no such thing as a gay Christian. Paul said “Let every one who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” I hate no one. But I DO hate heresy and the twisting of the most sacred teachings in the world. I pray that you and your partner turn from sin and turn to Christ. You cannot have both.

          • Robby Clewley

            Show me in the 10 commandments where it says Thou shalt not be gay . Its NOT there. YOu have NO right to say anything against gay people because me being gay or gay people marrying does not make you lose sleep or affect your life at all. Gay marriage wont ruin your straight marriage. I am not being hateful, just defending my life and my views and when I call you hateful homophobic bigots , its not judgment , its a FACT. It doesnt matter what you think though … cause guess what ? Gay marriage is now LEGAL in 31 states and DC and soon to be 50 states. DOMA is gone and its now being accepted in this country and has been legal in Canada for many years. So .. you saying its wrong wont change the law . You think God is against it but he is not. Sorry you were lied to.

          • Sientje Seinen

            in the ten commandments the first is “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God will all thy heart, mind and soul, and the second is Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, for this is the prophets and the law.” Now the prophets called people to repentance, they treated them badly, And the law is Man shall not lie with mankind as with womankind it is an abomination”: and since Christ was sent by God the Father, whom spoke these words. “Fear God who has the power to cast ye into hell.” and since Christ sealed the new covenant with His blood, re Jeremiah 31 verse 31, we uphold the laws of God and therefore it is impossible to love your neighbour as oneself, unless the Love of Christ is rooted within your heart, and so have Him come and make His abode with you, to cleanse your heart from all wicked thoughts and deeds. as:::when you by the spirit put to death the deeds of the body you will live.:” and you impress children at an early age with having your lifestyle promoted as normal another lie which is a sin turn to the Lord and He will abundantly pardon.

          • Robby Clewley

            So when you make love to your wife/husband do you enjoy that sin ?

          • canucklehead

            Sin is a religious concept separate from morality. As a non-religious person, sin has nothing to do with me. Morality does. There is nothing immoral about loving someone of the same gender. There is nothing immoral about having sex, period. If your religion dictates otherwise, then YOU abide by your beliefs but stay out of my life.

          • darryl

            That couple should simply find a bakery that Will cater to them

          • Sientje Seinen

            maybe they should bake their own cake

          • Robby Clewley

            Its discrimination , even here in the US. How do you sleep at night?

          • Sientje Seinen

            why dont you set up your bakery shops? It isnt discrimination as you are foisting your perverted sexual beliefs on those of us who think it is unnatural and have descended to animal level.

          • Robby Clewley

            Its not perverted to LOVE someone . Its not unnatural. Laws are created to PROTECT people being discriminated against.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lol I sleep fine how do you sleep at night knowing you have chosen to eat the bad fruit, instead of giving your life over to the Lord Christ Jesus, whom alone can cleanse your heart of evil desires.

          • canucklehead

            In your opinion.

          • Robby Clewley

            No , its discrimination

          • Sientje Seinen

            it isnt you are foisting your beliefs of homosexuality on others, whom do not believe as you do. and the Lord tells you “not to insist on your own way”
            so you are not a christian so why bother with christian shops unless it is to make trouble?

          • canucklehead

            They shouldn’t have to, just as an inter-ethnic couple should have to go elsewhere if they are denied service.

          • Spotted Feather

            So, it’s alright to be forced to do something that you know is wrong and GOD SAYS, multiple times by the way, is wrong ?

          • Robby Clewley

            It is NOT wrong. The bible is not all right , some lies in there and this is one of them. You have no right to speak against gay people . It does not affect your life at all what gay people do.

          • NinjaQuick

            Except people have the right for free speech. When did that right get lost?

            It affects everyone’s lives. Nothing you do, in secret or in public, happens without affecting everyone around you. What kool-aid has society fed you that you honestly believe people can do whatever they want and not impact the lives of others?

          • canucklehead

            That right doesn’t apply to hate speech and it is unfortunate that laws are needed to control it. Hate inspires hate in return.

          • Spotted Feather

            What lies are in the bible ? You have no right to just say something like that. If you say something is or isn’t, then you have to back it up. If you don’t or can’t, you have no right to say anything about it. I never once spoke against gay PEOPLE. I speak, just as GOD has, against gay sin.

          • Robby Clewley

            ok ill bite, if two gay people are married then its not sin right ? since its not sex outside of marriage .

          • Spotted Feather

            I know you’re being a troll, but I’ll bite. No. Nothing you just said is correct. If a behaviour is wrong, then anything associated with that behaviour is also wrong. If being gay is wrong, then gay marriage is also wrong.

          • Robby Clewley

            Im not being a troll.. just sharing my views like you are sharing your views. Oh did you see SEVEN more states legalized gay marriage today :) You may think its wrong BUT the majority of Americans and Canadians think it is not wrong. Your war on homosexuality is losing … sorry.

          • Spotted Feather

            The majority do NOT think it’s alright. Just the majority of people that voted on it.

          • Robby Clewley

            The SCOTUS does and there was an article today that said that 57% of the American people SUPPORT gay marriage. Sorry but by the end of 2015 it will be legal in ALL 50 states. Its legal in 31 states and DC now.

          • Sientje Seinen

            until God sents his plagues as He will not be mocked or He will withdraw His blessings from America and Hide His face from this sodomy. as He did at sandy Hook school.

          • Sientje Seinen

            I am a canadian and I believe it is a grave sin, throwing society into chaos and our Lord God is a God of order not chaos and people descending down to animal levels, as we are not created as animals. as animals cannot reason, read or understand laws. if you wish to be come animalistic in nature then go live among those that are animals.

          • canucklehead

            Except you’re talking about right and wrong as dictated by a religion that not everyone follows. So while gay marriage may be wrong according to YOUR beliefs and religion, it is not considered wrong by the secular country in which you live. Keep your religion out of the lives of others.

          • Spotted Feather

            A religion that not everyone follows ? So, not everyone is in Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Catholics, Mormonism, Ba’hai, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, Taoism, or Wicca ?

            Seems really odd that the EXTREME minority wants to dictate the rules/laws for the entire group.

          • canucklehead

            I’m not exactly sure what your comment has to do with the argument, which is that nobody has the right to impose his or her beliefs on others, no matter how many other people agree with you. Additionally, in this country (Canada), religious or not, a majority support gay marriage (which has existed for almost a decade). Finally, it’s not discrimination against someone’s beliefs when you tell them they can’t discriminate against someone else’s beliefs. Nobody is saying you can’t have your beliefs. Canadian LAWS say you can’t hatefully push those beliefs onto others.

            Live and let live.

          • Sientje Seinen

            so why are you imposing sexual orientation on our kids or young adults as the kids got along just fine without this garbage in the schools?

          • canucklehead

            Ummm. I believe that’s what YOU”RE doing. I mean, you insist everyone be heterosexual and pretend homosexuality is somehow immoral (it isn’t). I want kids grow to be who they are and to be adults who are free to love who they choose. You on the other hand promote the idea that your concept of love is the only correct one. If that’s not ignorance, I don’t know what is.

            Now, to requote your bible, “”I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent.” Timothy 2:12

            Take a hint.

          • Sientje Seinen

            oh boy so if your kids grow up wanting to be thieves you arent going to correct that, so you are going to let them run wild that is your idea of Christianity, and to lust after strange flesh isnt love it perversion. you are the one foisting your idea of what is love on children. Christ tells us “No greater love has he than he who lays down his life for his friends.:” So unless you are willing to die for drunkards, prostitutes, homosexuals, thieves robbers, your love is pale in comparison to Christ who laid down His life for sinners like you and me. and take a hint this is a forum not a church, you dummy and pray tell me which are you the woman or the man in a sexual relationship?

          • Sientje Seinen

            God does not lie, now you are blaspheming the word of God, do not know that if you add or subtract from the Holy scriptures Gods wrath will rest on you? revelation 22 18-19

          • Robby Clewley

            God doesnt lie but hateful so called Christians like you do to further your agenda.

          • canucklehead

            It would only be blasphemy if one believes in your god. For everyone else, we don’t care and the words we say are what we consider sanity.

          • Sientje Seinen

            still your life will come to an end and you will have to give an account of yourself, it is stored away, as nothing happens without the Lord knowing. so dont think you are smart as your life if only a vapor here today and gone tomorrow

          • canucklehead

            Says you and your religion. Has nothing to do with me, no matter what you say. By the way, it’s more important to be a good person that to believe in the words written in a book. Being Christian doesn’t make you a good person. Being a good person is what makes you a good person. Promote love, not hate. Accept, don’t judge. Even your Bible teaches that.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lolol why dont you accept Christ as your lord and saviour? Isnt that the message of salvation. i;.e “If you do not believe I am “He” you will die in your sins.” eternally seperated from the Lord God, as “No eye has seen nor ear has heard what good the Lord has laid up for those who love Him” so accept the Lord in your heart repent from your sins, and experience the love and grace of our Lord and saviour Christ Jesus. that is what is love and acceptance, not your garbage which satan tries to foist on us who know that Christ has defeated satan at Calvary.by the way being a good person in what respect? as the way to hell is paved with good intentions.”

          • canucklehead

            lolol… now I KNOW you’re just trolling! Nice work though. You got me. Just for that: “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent.” Timothy 2:12

          • Sientje Seinen

            since when is this a church I thought I was replying to your pope’s arrogant remarks on a forum. Am I speaking from a pulpit, I will have you know I am at home, and since we do have freedom of speech which you homosexuals try to restrict, you are not very smart, for you reap what you sow.

          • canucklehead

            Blah blah, god, blah, church, blah, blah. None of it is supported by facts or proof, yet you keep “blah, blah, blah.”

          • Sientje Seinen

            lots of proof with your lies saying you dont hate, as your heart is full of hate towards those who oppose you lusting after the same gender, sueing those who do oppose you and foisting your strange perversion on us

          • canucklehead

            LOL! Someone is forcing you to have homosexual relations? And your beliefs don’t apply to those who don’t believe what you do.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you indoctrinate our children with sexual orientation within the school,s but homosexuals will not have the last word as it is the Lord whom rules the nations, and where will you hide from His wrath which will surely come upon America

          • Tim Seals

            ridiculous.

          • Robby Clewley

            I know right , these people are insane

        • canucklehead

          Refusing to bake a cake for a homosexual couple is no different than refusing to bake a cake for an inter-ethnic couple. That is why it is illegal. You have the right to have your beliefs but if you think those beliefs should allow you to discriminate who your business serves, you are on the wrong side of the law.

          • Sientje Seinen

            And there homosexuals take away the individuals rights, as we pay taxes and you should be able to refuse anyone we dislike or believe their behaviour is disgusting, you have no right to discriminate against our feelings or our thoughts.

          • canucklehead

            LOL!! That’s the basis of hate laws. A business CAN’T refuse service because of personal feelings and thoughts about what the country has deemed legal and moral. You can choose to not have homosexuals in your home. Your BUSINESS cannot choose to not serve homosexuals because of your personal beliefs. You do understand that, right?

          • Sientje Seinen

            I didnt say you were a horrible person what you stand for is horrible and disgusting and I should have the right to refuse you as the government does not own my business I do, then the governement becomes a dictatorship. and you do take away people/s freedom, which as if you are a christian the Lord only tolerates for so long, I.e Hitler, Stalin, they no exist but God word abides forever.

          • canucklehead

            See, this is your problem. You equate your beliefs to what the society believes. Nobody is saying you can’t be a bigot. Canadian Laws are saying that Canadians can’t push their bigoted ideal onto others, even if those bigoted ideals are based in religion.

            This is exactly the OPPOSITE of what you cite as examples. In other words, your right to freedom should not impose on the freedom of others. Get it?

          • Sientje Seinen

            you dont get it do you. So when I thought Hitler and his henchmen were horrible and disgusting, and I was not able to say so without being thrown into a concentration camp, isnt this the same with when I tell you I dont want to bake a cake for homosexuals as I think their behaviour is disgusting, and you cry to the authorities about my beliefs, and have them fine me or thrown in jail, that is like the nazis only instead of Jews, you now go after the christians. that makes you a nazi at heart

          • canucklehead

            Difference is, you’re doing what Hitler did… Impose his ideals onto others. I, on the other hand, would like kids to be comfortable being who they grow up to be, gay or straight.

            Live and let live.

          • Sientje Seinen

            then why dont you, give up your sexual parades flaunting your sins down the city streets, and leave the kids alone in the schools and stop foisting your sexual orientation upon them, you lie again about not leaving others alone, bake your own cakes and leave us christians and our children alone. for God;s sake your own words show us the lie. as I want kids to grow up comfortable to be either gay or straight. since you push your agenda in the schools, leave the kids alone and let them live

          • Sientje Seinen

            No because your freedom is one sided you push your freedom on something I do not wish to do, or consent to, that is not freedom but being a bully, you bully your ways onto others and that is the sad part, you have become bullies and dictators. like nazis. which is what they did,

          • canucklehead

            You’re not very smart are you. You realize that nobody is forcing you to be in a homosexual relationship, right? You realize that YOU”RE the one who insists on pushing your ideas of the correct way to love onto others. Hitler persecuted gays too. Look, you have lots in common!

          • Sientje Seinen

            look who is talking Hitler was against gays because of the birth rate having dropped so low, out of 4,000.000 males 2,000,000 were homosexuals, So dont tell me they dont recruit, they are not born that way. you do recruit as your agenda is towards the young adults or children in the schools, and what will you do when with abortions and gays recruiting the christians are becoming less and less, and Islam takes over who doesnt tolerate the gays, as Allah must be obeyed. what then will you do, wont you wish you had not promoted homosexuality and put all your gay friends in grave danger of Isis and Islame be thankful christians right now tolerate you, which I can say the same for you.

          • canucklehead

            And there it is, the hateful “Christian” crazies. Thanks for tolerating me. You do realize that the majority in civilized countries agree with me, right? Try to bring back your Christian oppression. Might work in Russia but here in Canada, we’ll kick your butt. You do realize you’re a dying breed, right? Fewer and fewer living in first world countries consider themselves religious each year. Blah all you want. Try repeating your garbage out loud in public in Canada. Then see who is tolerating who.

            Alas, I’m done entertaining he crazy lady. Ciao.

          • canucklehead

            LOL!! That’s the basis of hate laws. A business CAN’T refuse service because of personal feelings and thoughts regarding issues that the country has deemed legal and moral. You can choose to not have homosexuals in your home. Your BUSINESS cannot choose to not serve homosexuals because of your personal beliefs. You do understand that, right? For example, I find your beliefs disgusting and vulgar. I would never have you over in my home. However, If I owned a restaurant, I can’t simply deny you service because I think you’re a horrible person.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Why not, I can make up an excuse that you forced me to make the cake. I could tell you I am way to busy, to do it, Since we are in a free country and pay taxes that I should be able to tell you that I do not wish to cater to you, I dont have to give a reason, but I can still refuse. dont you agree that is what it means to live in a free country unless of course you mean only freedom for you and your kind?

          • canucklehead

            In other words, lie. Good Christian, good Christian.

          • Sientje Seinen

            who says I am a good christian we serve the Lord in humility and fear. As the Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. since homosexuals lie all the time about being born that way, or that is love, lies beget more lies. you whole life is a lie. actually it is quite alright to lie as the lie to say I am to busy to bake you a cake is done because of you trying to foist your wickedness on me. I dont have to consent to your wickedness,

      • Dylan Skriloff

        If someone thinks it’s a sin it isn’t Canada’s place to prevent them from speaking about it.

      • Spotted Feather

        It’s not a sin to be gay ? Well, that’s news to GOD, who says that it is. And nobody is judging anybody. We judge the sin, not the person.

      • Scott

        Dearest Robby- perhaps the god you serve doesn’t see homosexuality the same way the God of Heaven and Earth does. The God of Heaven and Earth states specifically in many places that Homosexual offenders who remain un-repentant will not spend eternity with Him. That also goes for every other sinner who does not repent- and we are all sinners. Hate itself is not a crime. Hating evil things is an admirable thing. Hating people is not admirable. In reality- I think your problem is that you don’t like the God of Heaven and Earth or His laws. I believe that you have a right to that opinion even though I don’t share your opinion. I support your right to be ignorant of the truth- as I see it. You, however seem to be advocating governmental punishment for anyone who does not hold to your particular position on god and on what is or is not sin. I believe that this position will eventually backfire on you. By the way- the God of Heaven and Earth did not tell us not to judge between evil and good. He told us not to condemn people. Perhaps your god said not to judge- but that is not the God of Heaven and Earth that we read about in the Bible. Have a happy life while you can. Eternity is coming.

      • Tim Seals

        what is or isn’t sin will be determined on judgement day. We can always say this or that is or isn’t a sin, but if you believe in a higher power we all have to answer for our choices. The world is not moving forward. Look around, things are getting worse in almost every aspect.

        • Robby Clewley

          Oh and you think homosexuality is part of the world getting worse I’m sure. Its people like YOU that are to blame for the world getting worse with your hateful views.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Not so Robby since Paul writes that before the coming of the Lord, lawlessness will increase and with perverted laws and perverted sex we can see it becoming a pandora box which you and your ilk opened. Remember that the Lord return and gather His own, those who believe that He suffered greatly for the sins of the flesh and those outside the body,as He sealed the new covenant with His blood, and for you to mock His suffering is bringing the wrath of God upon the nations.

      • Sherry

        HOmosexaulity is a sin and God is clear your words do not override God and you he in the end will have final say on those who are turning their back to him to push sin against him. God does not love sin and he will not allow anyone who is in this sin or any to enter into the kingdom of heaven. If we truly love the lost it is our duty to tell them the truth not condone sin as you are /God is clear those who do these things and those approving of them will be accountable and God is completely Holy and completely righteous and those who choose to stay in sin will perish in their sins as they who push them and now attack the word of God . You are on a dangerous path thinking you can proclaim what is sin as not. Woe unto those who call evil good and good evil for they will reap what they sow. God says he will turn them over to a reprobate mind to do what is wrong for they choose to keep going against him.You are on a very dangerous path to being turned over to the reprobate mind for you now challenge and test God himself with your words. the hate crime is letting someone die and go to hell and not telling them the truth of the love of Christ so they may be saved if they repent. YOu should be ashamed of yourself for you are the ones showing true hate to all . For you would rather they live in sin and die and lose their souls . We that love God will stand with God over man always and always speak the truth Jesus says as they hated him they will hate us for speaking truth but in the end God will have the final say. and the saddest thing you will hear is Depart from me I knew you not. You are on a path to destruction and I m telling you now all who take this path will reap what they sow. I pray you see truth before that day.

        • Robby Clewley

          Oh so because I believe in Gay marriage and I am Bisexual I am going to hell ? Im so sure. We dont hate anyone , we are just trying to live our lives and its YOU people that constantly say hateful things about us and then you call yourself a Christian. You can love God without judging others. I know for a fact that I AM going to Heaven . I am NOT ashamed of myself because I sleep at night knowing that I am a good person and love others and do not judge what they do with their lives. I feel sorry for you .

          • Sientje Seinen

            of course you dont judge if you saw someone murder his neighbour you still would not judge that man, he would be a good man, If you saw someone in need and pass him by you would not judge that man he would be a good man, Did you know that the Lord God said that “There is no one that is Good? only God is Good?” see there you are telling lies about yourself again. you are of your father the devil who is the father of lies.

      • http://www.rlbm.org Robert L. Bufkin

        God has already done the judging HE HATES sodomy in all forms-look at Sodom and Gomorrah-He hates homosexual behavior in any form. ALL we do is report what GOD SAID ALREADY…

        • Robby Clewley

          Those are WRONG biblical teachings that have been taught to our society. But you can have your beliefs and we have ours BUT here in the US its becoming more and more accepted. SEVEN more states legalized it today. You dont need to report what you THINK God says about being gay . Me being gay or bi does not affect your life in any way shape or form so why report it ?

          • Spotted Feather

            What are you talking about “what you THINK GOD says about being gay” ? Um….last I checked, GOD says that being gay is wrong. Why do you convientently skip over that part ?

          • Robby Clewley

            No he does not. I used my marker to cross that out in my bible as its untrue , it was added to create a campaign of hate against LGBT people.

          • Spotted Feather

            So, you DO pick and choose what parts of the bible to follow. In order to believe them and follow them, they have to be something that you agree with. If you don’t like them, then they’re not true ? How have you gotten this far in life when it’s extremely obvious your view of things is so far out of whack with reality ?

          • Robby Clewley

            I believe in GOD , not lies made to make gay people feel bad about themselves. You know , its people like you why gay men have the highest suicide and substance abuse rate in the country. Keep your opinions to yourself. You will NEVER change our views and you will NEVER make us or gay marriage go away. JUst keep your hateful opinions to yourself.

          • Sientje Seinen

            no gays have suicides because you recruit and those that want out of the gay life, you make life extremely difficult for them, you lie about this also, I have heard of gays wanting to turn straight and you make their life miserable. your fault

          • Sientje Seinen

            when you feel bad about yourself, that is a warning for you to stop your homosexual behaviour, God always warns the people to repent before He acts out his vengeance.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lolol you are naive you crossed it out, but that itself is a sin, since when did the Lord appoint you to tell Him which of His Word you should keep and which you should cross out? why dont you read revelation where it says that the plagues in the Holy Scriptures will be added to those whom subtract or add to the Holy bible? repent of your arrogance

  • RCLUVSANN

    I assume this will be equally applied to Muslims?

    • Craig D. Casimir

      lol guess again

    • IPreferTeaOverKoolAid

      No, no. Saying you’re against homosexuality is a hate crime, beheading gays is PERFECTLY acceptable. /sarcasm/

  • Prescott

    When the Muslims come to full power in Canada, the people there, including the Supreme Court, will be longing for the good old days when all they had to worry about were the loving convictions of Christians.

    • Robby Clewley

      That is a sick statement . Muslims are not bad people. There are bad Christians too that do bad things too. Wow , and you call yourself a Christian

      • Sientje Seinen

        muslems do not tolerate homosexuality and Obama opened the borders to them, so dont think that homosexuality is going to rule all of the 51 states, Have you not heard the warning of Islam pray that it isnt true that America will repent of them no longer acknowledging the Lord God of Israel and Christ Jesus whom He sent. to call people to repentance.

  • Craig D. Casimir

    They know this is retarded right? The Klan has many sites pushing hate on colored people and nobody bats an eye… a few pastors preach against homosexuality (as expected) and everybody loses their minds… well i guess canada doesn’t have freedom of speech like america does…. oh wait….

    • darryl

      Funny how you chose the Klan for hate speech and not Al Sharpton ,Jessie Jackson, Eric Holder

      • Craig D. Casimir

        them too… but it’s not funny at all. i wasn’t trying to make a list

      • Robby Clewley

        Those are civil rights leaders , NOT hate speakers

  • 1deecee12 .

    Then I guess the BIBLE is the written form! Their are Bible passages condemning homosexual acts. We are Definitely in the END TIMES!

    • Robby Clewley

      The end times ? Because gay people are accepted and protected ? You are not a very smart or good person

      • Sientje Seinen

        But you dont have the protection of our Lord and saviour Christ Jesus as Paul does say lawlesness will increase in the end times and the son of perdition will be revealed before the coming of our Lord, so yes of course things will be getting worse and homosexuality is just one of them

  • lynn hooker

    Then it would stand to reason that all the harassment and discrimination against Christians must be a crime as well.

    • Robby Clewley

      I am a gay Christian and dont harrass the gay haters like yourself

      • Sientje Seinen

        you do you persecute christians who do not want to serve you in a bed and breakfast home, I dont blame them why should we be subjected to your disgustfull behaviour and then you sue in order to foist your believes on others, shame on you. disgusting is what you are

  • Robby Clewley

    Awesome job Canada . Being on the right side of an important issue yet again. Making anti gay statements and using religion to further your message of hate IS a hate crime and should be treated as such.

    • Sunny D

      It doesn’t matter if you believe sodomy is right or wrong, this is about freedom of speech and freedom of religion. All other rights will go away if these freedoms are taken. Virtually every country that limits religion and speech ends up limiting other rights as well. Free speech is suppose to protect “unpopular” speech. That’s the point. Now, if you want to mail a leaflet to every church disagreeing with their stand- go ahead. You should have that right. I might call it a “hate-crime” but that is your right.

      • Sientje Seinen

        Its also called a dictatorship limiting other people views and beliefs.

      • Robby Clewley

        Religion is supposed to uplift people , not condemn people like these pastors do. Again , be ashamed of yourself and your hate.

        • darryl

          Homosexual behavior is no bigger sin than ,lying,cheating ,adultery,killing ,drunkenness do you have a problem with the preachers preaching against those sins as well ?

        • Sientje Seinen

          religion or true religion is to come to know the Lord God of Israel and Jesus Christ whom He sent. It is nothing to do with feeling good, but knowing that Christ suffered for us, to bring us back into communion with the Lord God. repent

          • Robby Clewley

            I believe Christ suffered for us yes , for all of our sins . Being gay isnt one of them.

    • Sientje Seinen

      well actually it is decreed by the Lord God Himself that homosexuality is an abomination, Do you consider yourself greater in wisdom than the Creator of the universe? And of course it isnt hate for homosexual to sue people who dont want their property used for gay weddings? whom do you think you are?

      • Robby Clewley

        I am a gay christian man , that is who I am. God loves everyone and does not judge. Not all of the bible is true. There were gay couples in the bible. Jesus always says its a sin to judge people, I am not judging, I am defending my people against the bigots. Canada is right here.

        • Sientje Seinen

          It amazes me that gays always seem to know what Christ said. He never said it was a sin to judge people, He said “Judge with righteous judgment” and since we know that God the father whom sent Christ calls homosexuality an abomination and Christ was obedient unto the Father even unto death, therefore Christ gave His life for these sins as He took on the wrath of God for these sins of the flesh and outside the body. so that we could turn to Him and receive forgiveness at the throne of mercy when we confess our sins. And God forgives solely for the redemptive work Christ did for us on Calvary, and therefore we give thanks and praise to the lord God to keep us from sinning as He sent His holy spirit into our hearts which convicts us of sin and points us to the saving grace which is in christ, therefore we listen to His Word as He said. “If you do not believe I am He, You will die in your sins.” fear God and repent Canada is not your saviour Christ Jesus is, the only begotten Son of the Lord God of Israel. give praise and glory to Him alone

        • D. Drury

          Your comment, “not all of the Bible is true” is amazing. How can anyone trust or believe in any book that has parts that are untrue? Either it is the word of God or it isn’t. Who selectively decides which parts are true or untrue? To select parts that please us is not a belief or faith, nor is it Christain faith. That’s who Christians are.

        • Homophobic

          You cannot be gay and be a Christian. You are a direct contradiction of biblical teachings. Practicing homosexuality is sinful and contrary to the Christian Faith. It is not an alternative lifestyle however it is unnatural, perverted, degrading, shameful and incident. Biblical scriptures throughout the ages forbids us to have sex with seven categories. Number 1 Parents, 2 children, 3 animals, 4 brothers and sisters, 5 another spouse, 6 dead people and 7 same sex. GAY IS WRONG!

        • Spotted Feather

          You can’t be a christian and say something as idiotic as “Not all of the bible is true.” Either you believe the bible, or you don’t. You can’t pick and choose which parts to follow and believe….just because GOD says that doing what you do is wrong….

        • L.T.

          If you were a true Christian, a true child of God, you would repent of your sin and turn to Christ. You can’t call yourself Christian and live in sin. The word of God is true and Holy and perfect.

    • darryl

      You seem to hate anyone that does not agree with the homosexual life style .Stop the hate speech man and show some love for your enemy.

      • Sientje Seinen

        we do we tell you about the error of your ways, that you are on the road that leads to destruction where Christ tells you to enter by the narrow gate as wide is the road to destruction, but evidently you hate those that try to help you, and are out to destroy same, where is you love for those that try to help you and make you see the error of your ways?

    • Spotted Feather

      Were they making anti gay statements, or anti gay people statements ? Because those are two VERY different things.

      • Robby Clewley

        not different at all

        • Spotted Feather

          ABSOLUTELY, they’re different. One is attacking a person, the other is attacking a behaviour. You can love and care about someone without loving and condoning their behaviour. That’s what this is. They were speaking against the behaviour, not the person.

    • Sientje Seinen

      only because the stupid judge is a lesbian, and a dictator, Actually she is on the wrong side of the law, the laws which really count in the eyes of the Lord.

      • Robby Clewley

        You are showing your true colors. Sad

        • Sientje Seinen

          it is true though she is lesbian and you why are people being fined who only speak the Truth, in christ? how deep are you going to sink to sue and persecute christians who try to bring you back from the deep things of satan and give praise and glory to God for delivering you from the snare of satan.

          • Robby Clewley

            I pray and give glory to god everyday for the gifts the lord has given me . I love god and praise him. Being gay isnt of satan but being hateful IS. something to think about.

          • Sientje Seinen

            what gifts since you only gift to the world so far is that you mock His suffering, I would believe you if you said I praise the Lord God for Christ Jesus who delivered me from the grip of satan to do his bidding by lusting after strange flesh, then I would rejoice with you, but I cant rejoice in someone who grieves the Lord with his actions of lusting after strange flesh.

          • Robby Clewley

            I never asked you to rejoice in anything but perhaps you should get some mental health help. You are not well, its very obvious. I dont lust over strange flesh. I am just who I have been since I have been ten. A bisexual male. Has nothing to do with my love for God.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you mean you are greedy in your sexual appetite, right? so you have to eat from the tree of good and evil constantly, Ask the Lord to help you curb your sexuality and spend more time helping the poor and give thanks to the Lord for hearing your request to cleanse your heart of all wickedness. as it is He that can change the hearts of mankind, so that you are not listening the satan which tempts you to do his will. so since ten you have only acted on your instant gratifications which is a sickness.

          • Robby Clewley

            I do help the poor , heck i am poor myself but always help others. I dont judge what others do except to fight those who persecute others, which is what you do. I dont listen to satan at all. I am a child of the most high God and nothing you say will change that . I actually feel sorry for you.

          • Robby Clewley

            by the way , more gay people are in monogamous relationships than straight people. thats what gay MARRIAGE is.

  • charliehall

    “Scripture records that Sodom and Gomorrah was given over completely to homosexual perversion and as a result destroyed by God’s wrath.”

    Actually, it doesn’t. The Jewish tradition is unanimous that the sins of Sodom were greed and inhospitability to strangers.

    • Sientje Seinen

      that is strange as the men of Sodom and Gomorroh were not interested in Lot;s daughters but in those men whom were visiting Lot. and it was their pride in being sinfull and homosexual, that was also one of their greatest sin, and guess what do they not strut their pride parades down our peacefull city streets, flaunting thei sins?

      • L.T.

        Those men were actually Holy angels

    • Erik H Ahlblad

      No that is a truth you wish were true but is not true at all. Also, read scripture again.

    • Dylan Skriloff

      It was all connected but clearly their sexual perversions were symbolic of their overall state of sinfulness — also, they hated to be judged

    • Spotted Feather

      Have you not read the bible….where it says that they were blown up for being gay ?

    • Sientje Seinen

      that is not true as Lot offered his daughters but no they didnt want those women they wanted those men, and they were barbaric in the extreme. Who else but lawless people would go after someone elses guests? Pride of course this is why the call them gay pride parades pride in their sinfullness

  • Erik H Ahlblad

    This is the beginning of martyrdom.

  • Dylan Skriloff

    The fact the pastor who wrote an op-ed was even taken to court is scary. At least the USA still has some freedom of speech, thank God.

    • Robby Clewley

      Its not freedom of speech , its hate speech. there is a difference.

      • Dylan Skriloff

        You are unhinged and obnoxious. Did you take too many poppers tonight? In the case I referred to the court ruled his speech was not hate speech. Any criticism of homosexuality as a practice is hate speech in your worldview. Okay, we get it. You want no freedom of opinion on sexuality. Your position has been recorded.

        • Robby Clewley

          You are NOT a Christian . I dont know what you are.

          • Sientje Seinen

            because Robby you dont recognize a true christian you only believe someone is a true christian if they give approval to your disgusting behaviour.

      • Spotted Feather

        Were the people saying that gay people should be killed ? No. Were the people saying that gay people should be attacked ? No. THAT would be hate speech. Simply saying that you believe being gay to be wrong is NOT hate speech. Please, think for a while before you go spouting your mouth off about things you have no idea about.

        • Robby Clewley

          A true God loving pastor gives a sermon of love and acceptance of ALL God’s children. He does not condemn. I know more than you , you hateful evil person. What gay people do is none of your business, it does not impact your life one bit so maybe YOU should stop spouting your mouth.

          • NinjaQuick

            lol, you know more than what? with your social justice and cookie cutter political arguments?

          • Spotted Feather

            I am neither hateful nor evil. I don’t hate gay people. But thank you for making up things that I’ve never said nor believe in any way, shape, nor form. And also, he does not condemn….the person. He condemns the BEHAVIOR. Never once said it affected my life. Again, thanks for lying…..which the bible says is wrong.

          • Robby Clewley

            If you didnt hate gay people you would not support people speaking against us . LOVE is love and it does not matter if its man and man or whatever . If it doesnt affect your life then you would be quiet , really wish you would . You are VERY hateful. He support a guy like this pastor that made hate comments.

          • Spotted Feather

            I don’t hate gay people, or anyone for that matter. I don’t like gay behaviour. As I said before, but you obviously don’t understand, you can love a person but not love their behaviour. Love the sinner, hate the sin. Don’t hate the player, hate the game. (a mother mad at a misbehaving kid) – I love you, but I don’t like you right now.

            There’s a million ways to say it. Some of my favourite people in the world are gay. I listen to music made by gay people. I watch tv shows made by/starring gay people.

            I disagree that it doesn’t matter if it’s a man and a man. It matters very much to GOD. True, it doesn’t affect me personally. I don’t hate anyone….as I’ve said. And again, like I’ve said, you can love a person but not their behaviour.

          • Sientje Seinen

            but they do recruit your children by making it seem normal, so that wrong is right and right is wrong this the effect they are trying to achieve, in the end it will come to it being a battle between good and evil. and the young people are the victims.

          • Sientje Seinen

            love is not the way you speak about love, some people love their car and even would kill for same if someone rammed into them. that is not love, Love is to be courageous enough to teach someone the error of their ways without condemning therefore saving a soul from death and covering a multitude of sin Peter. but your love is not love but a lusting after strange flesh.

          • Sientje Seinen

            bit that is not true, as God told satan in the garden of Eden. “I will put enmity between thee and the woman and between her seed and thy seed it shall bruise thy head and ye shall bruise its heel.” so therefore there are the sons of obedience and the sons of disobedience, spawns of satan,

      • Guest

        Did you not learn anything in school? ALL speech is FREE SPEECH. That’s what ‘freedom of speech’ means. To be FREE to say how you feel. If you’re not allowed to say how you feel, it’s no longer FREE speech. And if someone doesn’t like what you say, oh well. That’s part of FREEDOM. It is ‘Big Brother’ (in this case, the government) telling you by force what you can or cannot say. And when that happens, speech is no longer free.

        • Robby Clewley

          Not anymore , not since hate crimes were established. You cant call a cop a pig , thats assault and you will be arrested , you cant threaten the president , you cant call people racial or homophobic names, that is assault under the LAW. read it sometime .

          • NinjaQuick

            Except, taken to court all you need to do is argue free speech and you get off scott free, hell, you can get you accusers fined and incarcerated for defamation and actual abuse.

          • Robby Clewley

            Soon these pastors in the US will be charged with hate crimes when hate crime criteria is expanded,

          • Sientje Seinen

            lolol and you say you dont hate YOu hate those pastors who dont bow down to your will, You are hatefull in speech, in behaviour and you do not know our Lord Christ Jesus whom will come to judge your behaviour.

      • IPreferTeaOverKoolAid

        Did you not learn anything in school? ALL speech is FREE SPEECH. That’s what ‘freedom of speech’ means. To be FREE to say how you feel. If you’re not allowed to say how you feel, it’s no longer FREE speech. And if someone doesn’t like what you say, oh well. That’s part of FREEDOM. Even if someone says, ‘All gays should be killed.’ that’s allowed. It’s not until it’s acted out that it becomes a crime. Should people say a lot of what they say? No. But it is their right. And if it becomes harassment, something can be done about it. Christians quoting the Bible and agreeing with it IS NOT hate speech. It is ‘Big Brother’ (in this case, the government) telling you by force what you can or cannot say is NOT freedom. And when that happens, speech is no longer free. Go dig deeper into the First Amendment and learn about it.

      • NinjaQuick

        Hahaha, you clearly don’t even know what the word hate means. I haven’t heard a real congregational pastor speak anything other than love for troubled people. They are sinners, living in sin. Celibacy is literally an option, and does not take away happiness, but our modern society has programmed people into thinking anything and everything is permissible. That is a lie, and lies come from only one source.

        • Robby Clewley

          THAT is hate right there, Being gay is not being troubled. We do not live in sin anymore than you . I dont see married heterosexual couples being celibate , married gay couples should not have to either. Your views on homosexuality come from SATAN as God is about LOVE and ACCEPTANCE , NOT hate and judgment . You must be real mad that gay marriage is now the norm . :)

          • Sientje Seinen

            well robby since you have not accepted Christ;s hand reaching out to you to repent of your sinfull behaviour, I cant see how you accept Christ and His suffering for you and still remain in your sins. as He told the adulteress, Go and sin No more, Christ is not an agent of Sin, God instituted marriage between a husband and wife when He created Eve for Adam, not another man. and God did not give an order to be celibate, He said “Go out and multiply: which homosexuals are incapable of, or did you cross that passage out also? it still doesnt mean it is the norm, it means you recruit and that lawlessness has increased like Paul foreordained before the coming of the Lord.

      • Sientje Seinen

        it hatred when you sue those of us who dont want to make cakes or have you in our homes at a bed and breakfast home, it is disgusting your behaviour and since we pay taxes, we should have the freedom whom to serve whom we please. We also should have the freedom not to want to take your money, as if the government decides whom I should serve or not serve freedom to choose is lost, that is dictatorship and loss of freedom

  • Robby Clewley

    This should be called ChristianHATE.net . You people are not real Christians , real Christians dont condemn people and call who they love wrong. You people are evil.

    • darryl

      Aren’t you the judgemental one

    • Homophobic

      You cannot be gay and be a Christian. You are a direct contradiction of biblical teachings. Practicing homosexuality is sinful and contrary to the Christian Faith. It is not an alternative lifestyle however it is unnatural, perverted, degrading, shameful and incident. Biblical scriptures throughout the ages forbids us to have sex with seven categories. Number 1 Parents, 2 children, 3 animals, 4 brothers and sisters, 5 another spouse, 6 dead people and 7 same sex. GAY IS WRONG! I officially hate CANADA!

      • Holly Main

        So you can not be divorced and be Christian. You can not have sex outside of marriage and be a Christian You cannot eat pork and be Christian. You can not wear clothes made from 2 fabrics and be Christian. What a ridiculous statement that you can not be gay and be Christian. Jesus Christ himself would have welcomed the gays along with all of the others that didn’t fit in at the time!!

        • IPreferTeaOverKoolAid

          Wow. You have the Bible all wrong.

          If a person divorces and TRULY repents of their sins, they are wiped clean are forgiven. They can marry again, so long as they don’t continue to repeat their sins over and over. God forgives and wipes the slate clean.

          If someone has sex outside of marriage, same thing.

          Yes, we can eat pork. Jesus made all food clean.

          “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)” Mark 7:19

          Clothes from two different fabrics. Please learn about Levitical Law and how it applies to Christians. (Not all of it does.)
          http://crossexamined.org/cherry-picking-the-bible-are-christians-expected-to-follow-the-levitical-laws/

          And no, you CANNOT be a practicing homosexual and be a Christian. When you become a Christian, you confess that you are a sinner, you acknowledge that Jesus died for your sins, and LEAVE your old sin nature behind. You daily pick up your cross and follow Jesus.That means you no long live by what yo deem as right or wrong, you follow Jesus and His Word, The Bible. You cannot live in blatant sin and be a Christian. You will make mistakes, you will stumble, but you can no longer live in blatant sin. You can’t keeping living you old life. When you are trully filled with the Holy Spirit He will convict you of your sinful ways and you will no longer want to live the life you are living. You will want to live a life holy and pleasing to God. And living in blatant sin is not holy or pleasing and it clearly shows that you were never truly sorry for how you were living and that you never truly repented.

          • Spotted Feather

            Clothes from two different fabrics doesn’t mean you can’t wear actual clothes made from two fabrics. What that verse means is a person that believes in GOD shouldn’t be intimately involved with someone that doesn’t. The person that believes is “one fabric” and the person that doesn’t believe is the other fabric.

        • Robby Clewley

          amen

        • Homophobic

          Homosexuality is a behaviour rather then just a condition. It is a sin hence the reason why the bible condemns it. The NLT version of the Bible states it clearly; “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.”

        • Sientje Seinen

          Jesus would have told you like He did “Fear God who has the power to cast ye into hell.” Since it is God the Father who has condemned homosexuality, calling it an abomination, and since Christ is the Son of God, do you suppose He would approve of which His father condemned, did He not come to call everyone to repentance? I suppose that doesnt include the gays?

      • Robby Clewley

        I am GAY and a Christian . I love God , only requirement. Get psych help FAST.

        • NinjaQuick

          I strongly recommend you read the Bible, especially the parts where Jesus actively teaches from the old testament, and where Paul actively describes sexual immorality. Very solid read.

          • Robby Clewley

            THANKFULLY , your opinion means SQUAT as gay marriage is LEGAL all across Canada and in 32 US states. AMEN :)

          • Robby Clewley

            PLus DOMA is GONE. HAHA. WE are winning , your FAKE Christianity is LOSING .. how does that feel ?

        • Homophobic

          Psych help.. My friend you need psych help. You can’t be gay and be a Christian, those two things just do not correlate. Gay Christian, I think not!

          • Robby Clewley

            LOL I am a psych student. There are MILLIONS of gay Christians , its hateful bigots like you that need psych help.

          • Homophobic

            Millions?? my friend, get help fast. You need it. You are missing out on the joy of dating the opposite sex. The joy of creating another human being through a process called reproduction.

        • Sientje Seinen

          which god do you love the god of your own making that tells you you are a great guy, sounds like satan to me. who is the father of lies.

      • Robby Clewley

        Yes you can , I am gay and christian .. well I am bisexual but go to a gay christian church. Soon this will happen in the US too. Soon it will be a hate crime to talk about gay people this way here too. Its not unnatural or perverted . Two married gay people are the same as two straight married people . We are equals and thank the good Lord that equality has finally come to the USA. Bye bye DOMA and yay for gay marriage . Bet that makes you mad huh :)

        • Sientje Seinen

          I am afraid to ask what you do in those gay churches, Do acknowledge Christ as your Lord and saviour? or do you mock His sacrifice by continually lusting after strange flesh, and thereby mocking Christ suffering? and since God weighs the hearts of mankind and whether they are children of obedience or disobedient to repentance, then how can you consider yourself equal in the sight of the Lord God, who cannot walk with sin?

    • Spotted Feather

      We don’t condemn people, we condemn their actions. You really don’t get that ?

      • Robby Clewley

        Its the same thing as being gay is WHO we are. I am bi but its all the same. You condemn what you do not like they hide behind the bible to defend your hate and bigotry.

        • Spotted Feather

          I don’t hide behind anything. And again, I hate no one. I really fail to see how you don’t understand loving someone but not loving what they do. And being gay isn’t WHO you are. It’s the way you live, but it’s not you. Just as being black isn’t who a person is. It’s WHAT they are. Two very different things.

          I would like to thank you for making up lies,….though I don’t know what could have happened in your life to make you think that lying is alright. I am not hateful, nor am I bigoted. I’m as far from that as you could possibly be. As I said, I don’t hate anyone. I’ll have dinner with pretty much anybody. I’ll go to a party with anyone. I’ll go to a movie with anyone. I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.

          I’ve said all this before. How you get that I hate gay people out of all of this, I just don’t get.

          • Robby Clewley

            You are something else. It is WHO I am , being bisexual is how I was born and who I am and I am proud of it. I left the catholic church years ago because of their hateful, shameful message and now go to a loving church that does not condemn. You do hate , you call being gay wrong when it isnt . How about this , I will live MY life and continue to fight for gay EQUAL rights and you can continue living YOUR life.

          • Spotted Feather

            Born this way…..? Alright. I must have missed where they’ve given evidence that people are born gay and it’s due to biological influences like having red hair or freckles……oh, wait. There IS no evidence that people are born gay. It’s just an excuse. You learn how to walk. You learn how to talk. You learn how to read. But you’re BORN gay ? And that makes sense to you ?

            You’re born to be alive and have a particular colour of skin. That’s about all you’re born to be. Everything else, you learn.

          • Robby Clewley

            Yes there is plenty of scientific evidence . Who would choose something that they would be persecuted and hated for ? I didnt choose to be gay just like you didnt choose to have a closed mind.

          • Spotted Feather

            Plenty of scientific evidence….where ? And I have a closed mind ? Just because I don’t agree with you ? I’m open to anything….as long as it makes sense.

          • Sientje Seinen

            because you were weak and couldnt resist the temptations of the devil, who has ensnared you to do his will, and convinces you that it is your right, the father of lies.

          • Robby Clewley

            Being gay isnt evil. who I choose to love isnt your business.

          • Sientje Seinen

            There is no such thing as gay rights, there are the three basic rights for all human beings. 1 food, 2 shelter and 3 clothing. gay rights is nothing more than wanting equalization for perverted sex, it isnt a right, and soon everyone will be clamoring for rights to steal, they are born that way, rights to murder, I was born that way, rights to covet, after all I was born that way. you are opening up a pandora box, the right to have three of more wives, the right to marry your dog, you name and you have spawned all of these things.

    • Sientje Seinen

      actually your own words condemn you, you told us you took passage out of the Bible thereby provoking the Lord God to anger, better read revelation 22 verse 18 and 19 which forbids you to add or subtract anything from the Lord;s Holy Word.

  • LooneyBinEscapee

    It’s Canada. Who cares.

  • BrotherRog

    I’m a huge advocate of LGBTQI rights – however, I’m also a huge advocate for the right of free speech. I’m wilth Voltaire who said, “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.”

  • http://www.youtube.com/DutchLionFrans Dutch Lion Frans

    This is worse than Soyet Communism ever was! The government who gets into our pulpits to dictate and control what
    God’s servants preach and teach especially in line with sound doctrine from the rightly translated and rightly divided Word of God, preached, taught and partised by the church for 2000 years, trespasses it’s legal competence,
    Constitutional jurisdiction and God’s boundaries of their civic
    authority and is on the way to total destruction by reaping what it
    sows, and by God! These clowns in blackdresses who perform their justice raping, evil authorities rubberstamping theater in our courts, and all other devil’s seeds will soon be harvested by God’s angels and thrown into eternal fire! Matthew 13: 24-50; Revelation 21:8. These devils in our courts, governments etc. are guilty of the worst hate-crimes themselves. Because if the sinner is denied the truth of his condition and behavior that leads to eternal death, he does not seek a solution/ salvation and is therefore lost for ever. How will the sinner know? Unless God’s Word is preached that makes the sinners sin known, and his eternal destination also. Whosoever prevents the servants of God to do preach the Word of God rightly divided, and is guilty of the eternal loss of the souls of sinners, will be thrown into the deepest darkness as haters of all mankind themselves. It may be time for God’s people to ask asylum in Russia where God’s Word is being honoured now!

  • http://www.youtube.com/DutchLionFrans Dutch Lion Frans

    The ambiguity of the hate-law is INTENTIONALLY SO! A law that can not be measured objectvely, as this one is, is like a gun in a kids hands: he can apply it as he
    sees fit, and since ‘might makes right’ and subjective motive is good
    enough to charge anyone with a hate-crime!

    The professed purpose of bad subjective laws like the Jewish ADL -terrorists dictated hate-crime they forced our cowardly treacherous governments
    to make by the Jewish money masters they are puppets of, even making
    the worst haters of all mankind, the Jews, to be excempt and immune for
    prosecution, as so called victims, is to destroy the church and the
    Christian.

    Their first way to do so is by bankrupting innocent accused
    by running them up a legal bill to prove their innocence of the
    accusations, which the blackdressed clowns can drag on for ever as they wish, when the accusations often can even be filed anonimously which proves that our
    authorities are guilty of beingthe very worst criminal organisation
    of the nation, and guilty of the very worst organised crime, starting with illegal,
    injust, unconstitutional laws!

  • Lesley58

    I guess the court has now designated parts of The Bible as a hate crime?

  • http://www.youtube.com/DutchLionFrans Dutch Lion Frans

    TO hell with the judges, the commission and the complete tyrannical circus! > Whatcott has now been ordered to pay $7,500 to two homosexuals who
    took offense at his flyers, as well as to pay the legal fees of the
    Human Rights Commission — which could cost him hundreds of thousands of
    dollars.

    • Robby Clewley

      The HRC is a non profit

      • Sientje Seinen

        The HRC is a joke

        • Robby Clewley

          Nope but YOU are.

  • http://www.youtube.com/DutchLionFrans Dutch Lion Frans

    Like I said in my earlier comments: This is what this subjective ADL- Jewish invented and pushed subjective hate-law is all about: To destroy the church and Christians by bankrupcy.

    I ask God: How do we turn back the tide and take back our nations from these devils and hang them all as punishment for their hughe crimes against humanity, or should we just suffer all this evil and injustice while waiting for your return after you think we suffered enough and their cup of iniquity is full. How much longer will that be, Lord?!

  • bruce wayne

    Thank you Canada for denouncing hatred cloaked in faith,
    I applaud your efforts and hope that one day your neighbor
    to the south follows suit.

    • Robby Clewley

      I hope the US does follow suit , you and I are about the only supporters of civil rights on here

    • Sientje Seinen

      it doesnt matter as it will only be a matter of time that the Lord Himself will descent with a shout and bring His wrath to bear upon those nations that wilfully mock Christ suffering as it was in the days of Noah, Lewdness and disgusting behaviour becoming the norm on our city streets

  • tolive

    The homosexual community’s insidious demanding of acceptance stems from violating one’s own conscience and ignoring the shame and guilt that result from doing so. Because they choose to turn from the truth they believe their shame, self loathing, guilt, suicide and so forth are the fault of society, therefore society must be changed. The increasingly rabid homosexual agenda will never be satisfied until all echoes of conscience are silenced. With the promoting of actions that war against the one’s own mind they will usher in further delusions upon a spiritually ignorant society. The searing of one own conscience is the true suicide.

  • Lex Luger

    This is great news. No longer will hateful bigots be able to hide behind their “holy” texts when they espouse their personal views and marginalizing of an entire group.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Sigh, people always get the spelling wrong……it’s not ‘Bible’, it’s BUYBULL…..in keeping with its true meaning and use.

  • Robby Clewley

    Just watched a YouTube interview with this loon. He for sure committed hate crimes and should have received a prison sentence.

  • lynn hooker

    I find it interesting that those who support the homosexual lifestyle don’t have a problem with other sins listed in the Bible. Why is that? So, if YOU agree with certain portions of the Bible, then it is truth? Really? As far as Christian churches, the Metropolitan Community Church is NOT Christian. Far from it. Jesus paid a huge price to break the power of sin;s hold on us. To say He paid the price so we are FREE TO SIN is blasphemy. I am so grateful that a former gay man Joe Dallas left this ungodly church and is now sharing the agenda exposing the teaching s of this church. God’s love sent Jesus to the cross for us. To say He loves me just the way I am does NOT mean He accepts sin! This is clear ALL through the Bible. So, what do the gay leaders do? Change and twist Scripture. The Bible warns against doing so. Remember what Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery? “Go and sin no more.” Robby, I won’t argue with you and resort to all the anger and hatred you harbor towards God’s people. I feel bad for you. Like any other sin, sin has already done much damage to you. It is not worth it.

    • Robby Clewley

      If being LGBT is so horrible, where’s the Commandment Against Homosexuality? Adultery made the list, and last I heard, no one’s taken Newt Gingrich out into the town square and stoned him to death.

      Murder’s on there, and murder is an actual crime in almost every country on Earth. Stealing is also a crime and also a commandment. Coveting is pretty tame, in my opinion. Who among us hasn’t seen the new Lexus in our neighbor’s driveway and thought “Well, shit, I see Bob got another raise, wish I could afford a Lexus.”

  • Travis McCabe

    Sooner or later It seems God word will come a hate crime and this is Just one example, What is happening, Today you see even people filled with venom toward those who stand on biblical scripture foundation that the practice of homosexuality is sinful, even some people that call there self Christians! They also that claim to love Christ or be christians but Yet act like The world and have nothing but Ad hominems The good old your hateful your a bigot etc…. line for a example, People who rely on ad hominem who call there self christians, Just show one thing, they do not have a scriptural position of defense.

    • Robby Clewley

      Being gay isnt in 10 commandments , simple as that. Case closed

      • Travis McCabe

        a argument from silence is that all you have? you know sins are not limited to Just Jus “10”

        • Robby Clewley

          Travis , it must get lonely in your hateful bubble. I know I know , you are upset that SEVEN more states legalized gay marriage today. Need a hug? LOL

          • Travis McCabe

            Yeah resort to the ad hominem off the bat, that what your Good at, it just shows you do not have a solid scriptural defense for your position,

          • Robby Clewley

            Because the scriptures condemning homosexuality are no longer valid. Just like rape and child marriage back in those times are no longer the norm. Jesus is about LOVE , not judgment . There is no sin in a man and a man or woman and woman marrying . It has nothing to do with your life so why do you care .

          • Travis McCabe

            The scriptures that deal with homosexuality deals with sexual Morality which is forbidden in BOTH Old and NEW, sexuality immorality is universal command, God Love is not without His justice Not without His Holiness, Love and Let Love is not The love of God.

          • Robby Clewley

            so you never had sex outside of marriage or had lustful thoughts about a woman ? Oh so you had a talk with God today and he told you he was against gay marriage , not some opinion from a book ?

          • Travis McCabe

            I never had sex outside of marriage and I never been married and from someone who claims to be a christian and loves Jesus Christ, your going to call scripture which is the Only authority we have on Jesus ” opinion? does your church teach that scripture is just opinion but not God Breath? if not then Be warn and get out ofthat church, as for Lust Yes I would say I guilty but Here is the thing, someone that practices Homosexuality is someone who constant lives in that sin.

          • Robby Clewley

            So you never had a lustful or impure thought ever ? My church teaches the LOVE of Jesus Christ, not the hate and condemnation that the right wing churches teach. They uplift people and dont judge them.

          • Travis McCabe

            did you read anything that I said? where did I say I never had a lustful thought? and Also Pointing out sin for what it is, is not hateful, what would be hateful if I went on deceiving people thinking they Please God while living in sin, also Scripture where it says do not judge, it talking about hypocritical judging.

            Here is also what scripture says about Judgement

            Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment

            John 7:24

            righteousness is not continually living in sin Not saying we will not sin but it will not be our life style what defines us.

            No your church idea of Love is base On not Godliness or holiness But a type of Love that does not transform you, changes you into The Righteous of Christ, Your Love, Also about Judging you should read 1 cor 6

          • Robby Clewley

            Well you conservative Christians play all high and mighty and then judge us for being who we were born as . You act like you have no sin. I am not living in sin. I am in a monogamous relationship.

          • Travis McCabe

            Robby No I do not act like I have no sin, please show me where I even “sound” like that in my posts, also maybe you should read matthew 19 where Jesus explains marriage for what it is, and it not man with man.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you are not born that way, a lie once again from the devil as God would not create a person that way and make a law forbidding same. You do not know our Lord God, who send Christ for us to repent and turn back to the Lord God, you even mock the Lord God by saying you are born that way, you are spawns of satan doing his will.

          • Robby Clewley

            Yes we are born that way, the science proves so.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Jesus is not an agent of sin, can you get that into your head? you are mocking Christ suffering on calvary, by insisting on living your sinfull life, He came to call everyone to repentance and if you do not believe, then you are a spawn of satan doing the will of satan and holding Christ up as ridicule, and do not fear the wrath of God which will surely come upon you and your kind, then whom will you turn to then?

          • Robby Clewley

            We all live in sin , I am just being who I was created to be. I would never mock Christ , I pray everyday and Christ is a big part of my life. I have a fine relationship with him so dont need your opinion.

          • Sientje Seinen

            But you mock Christ suffering on Calvary it is precisely for this reason that He came. He bore the wrath of God for you sinfull behaviour. think about that next time, that you are putting nails in his hand and feet by wilfully disobeying the commandment of the Lord God of Israel whom sent Christ to bear the punishment for us, repent and sin no more.

          • Sientje Seinen

            oh gosh creepy this guy, you delight in causing grief to parents dont you?

          • Robby Clewley

            How do I cause grief to parents ? Please explain this.

      • Sientje Seinen

        yes it is commandment no 5 “honor thy father and mother so that thy days will be long in the land the Lord God giveth you.” You do not honour your parents but instead give them grief as most parents would love to hold their own grandchildren, how do you get away from this commandment? adoption isnt the answer as they are not of your own flesh and blood, so you decide to go bi, to fullfill this commandment?

        • Robby Clewley

          I have children so my parents got grandchildren to hold. Honor thou mother and father is to listen and honor your parents and my parents accepted me and never told me being gay was wrong.

  • canucklehead

    This is the correct ruling for a secular country. Believing in a religion does and should not give you the right to tell others how to live, especially those who don’t believe as you do. Whether or not your believe system supports homosexuality, it really is none of your business what other consenting adults do, and to project your own religious bias onto others is not unacceptable. Those who think homosexuality is wrong have the right to think so but pushing that belief onto others is not your right and is offensive.