Canadian Supreme Court Rules Biblical Speech Opposing Homosexual Behavior is a ‘Hate Crime’


Ottawa, Ontario – The Supreme Court of Canada has ruled that Biblical speech opposing homosexual behavior, including in written form, is essentially a hate crime.

On Wednesday, the court upheld the conviction of activist William Whatcott, who found himself in hot water after distributing flyers regarding the Bible’s prohibitions against homosexuality throughout the Saskatoon and Regina neighborhoods in 2001 and 2002. The 7-judge panel consisted of Justices Beverly McLachlin, Louis LeBel, Marie Deschamps, Morris Fish, Rosalie Abellia, Marshall Rothstein and Thomas Cromwell.

“The Bible is clear that homosexuality is an abomination,” one flyer that was found to be in violation stated, citing 1 Corinthians 6:9. “Scripture records that Sodom and Gomorrah was given over completely to homosexual perversion and as a result destroyed by God’s wrath.”

Another flyer, entitled Keep Homosexuality Out of Saskatoon’s Public Schools, was written in response to the recommendation of the Saskatoon School Board that homosexuality be included in school curriculum. The Supreme Court declared the document to be unlawful because it called the homosexual acts that would be taught to children “filthy,” and contended that children are more interested in playing Ken and Barbie than “learning how wonderful it is for two men to sodomize each other.” The justices ruled that because the use of the word “sodomy” only referred to “two men” and not also the sex acts of heterosexuals, it was a direct target against a specific group of people.

Two other flyers that expressed outrage at the male solicitation of sex with boys in a local publication were not found to be in violation of the statute, in part because Whatcott’s citation of Luke 17:2 was not clear on whether it only referred to homosexuals. The verse, which he had handwritten on the handouts, quotes from Jesus Christ.

“If you cause one of these little ones to stumble, it would be better that a millstone was tied around your neck and you were cast into the sea,” it read.

The court insinuated that the Scripture could have been an issue like the other references if used in a way to pertain solely to homosexual persons.

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Whatcott had distributed the flyers over a decade ago to raise awareness of his concerns about both the homosexual parades in Canada, as well as the vulnerability of children in a culture that promotes homosexuality. However, when Canada’s Human Rights Commission found out about the matter, they took him to court, citing him with a hate crime.

The Supreme Court noted in its opinion, among other concerns, that Whatcott’s use of the Bible to target homosexuals was a problem.

“[Whatcott’s] expression portrays the targeted group as a menace that could threaten the safety and well-being of others, makes reference to respected sources (in this case the Bible) to lend credibility to the negative generalizations, and uses vilifying and derogatory representations to create a tone of hatred,” the panel ruled on Wednesday.

It pointed back to the lower court ruling, which asserted, “While the courts cannot be drawn into the business of attempting to authoritatively interpret sacred texts such as the Bible, those texts will typically have characteristics which cannot be ignored if they are to be properly assessed in relation to … the [Hate Crimes] Code.”

The judges did note, however, that “it would only be unusual circumstances and context that could transform a simple reading or publication of a religion’s holy text into what could objectively be viewed as hate speech.”

Commentator Andrew Coyne noted that the wording of Canada’s hate crimes law is problematic because it leaves much discretion in the hands of law enforcement.

“The code itself outlaws material that ‘exposes or tends to expose to hatred’ any person or group, on the usual list of prohibited grounds. It is not necessary, that is, to show the material in question actually exposes anyone to hatred — only that it might,” he advised. “The Court then upholds the ban on the grounds that the hatred to which individuals might or might not be exposed might in turn lead others to believe things that might cause them to act in certain unspecified but clearly prejudicial ways: it ‘has the potential to incite or inspire discriminatory treatment,’ or ‘risks’ doing so, or is ‘likely’ to, or at any rate ‘can.’”

Whatcott has now been ordered to pay $7,500 to two homosexuals who took offense at his flyers, as well as to pay the legal fees of the Human Rights Commission — which could cost him hundreds of thousands of dollars.

“The ruling and the reasoning [of the court] is terrible,” he told reporters. “They actually used the concept that truth is not a defense.”

“It’s worse than I expected,” Whatcott added. “What it means is that my life is over as I know it.”

A much different ruling came out of the Alberta Court of Appeals last October, as Pastor Stephen Boissoin was likewise facing hate crimes charges for submitting an op-ed to a local newspaper that outlined his beliefs about homosexual behavior. In releasing its opinion, the court said that Boissoin had a right to express his beliefs on matters such as homosexuality as long as they were focused on a behavior and not a specific person.

“Matters of morality, including the perceived morality of certain types of sexual behavior, are topics for discussion in the public forum. Frequently, expression on these topics arises from deep seated religious conviction, and is not always temperate,” the panel advised. “Boissoin and others have the freedom to think, whether stemming from their religious convictions or not, that  homosexuality is sinful and morally wrong. In my view, it follows that they have the right to express that thought to others.”

However, the Supreme Court of Canada declared Wednesday that oftentimes, it is impossible to say that one loves the sinner and hates the sin. It asserted that the hatred of the act was inseparable from hating the person or person group.

“I agree that sexual orientation and sexual behaviour can be differentiated for certain purposes,” the court outlined. “However, in instances where hate speech is directed toward behaviour in an effort to mask the true target, the vulnerable group, this distinction should not serve to avoid [the hate-crime clause of the Code].”

While speech opposing homosexuality remains legal in the United States, some note that the nation is heading in the same direction as Canada, as discrimination laws are being enforced by state Human Rights Commissions across the country.

A number of incidents have made headlines in recent years where American businesses have been punished for their refusal to accommodate the homosexual lifestyle, such as the story of a photographer in New Mexico that was forced to pay $700 in fines for declining to shoot a same-sex commitment service, to the Vermont bed and breakfast owners who settled a lawsuit with two lesbians who were told by an employee that they could not hold their commitment service on the property. A Kentucky t-shirt screening company was also recently punished for declining to complete a work order involving t-shirts that were to be worn at a local homosexual pride parade. 

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  • http://www.washingtondcevangelists.com/ Washington DC Evangelists

    Can you post a copy of the flyers?

    • Jamie Blair

      COME AND GET ME.

      Genesis 2:24
      Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother, and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.

      Leviticus 18:22
      Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

      Leviticus 20:13
      If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.

      1 Corinthians 6:9-10
      9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,

      10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.

      Romans 1:26-32
      26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

      27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

      28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

      29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

      30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

      31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

      32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

      • Terri

        great post!

  • Enruobdar

    This is concerning and I think the ruling sets Canadian churches up for trouble potentially. But I am confused what Mr. Whatcott’s desire was in circulating those flyers? Perhaps I am wrong, but I don’t see how focusing on the Law here advances the cause of Gospel. Even if someone is “cut to the heart” and decides that their homosexual behaviour is sinful, they are still lost – broken and in bondage to sin. Not being a homosexual is not what grants us favor in the eyes of God – we only gain that by being aligned with His Son. Crucified with Him, raised with Him and conforming to His image by the power of His Spirit.

    • http://abide-and-endure.net Jeremiah

      Sooooo, following your line of thinking, we should not tell people that the wages of sin is death? Part of repentance is realizing that your sin separates you from God. Part of repentance is being remorseful for your sin. The biblical fact that God calls the sin of homosexuality an abomination, makes it “technically” a worse sin. All sin is wrong, but God does not (to my knowledge) call fornication an abomination. I personally would not have said “abomination” unless pressed on the issue, i.e “christians” who say that homosexuality and a homosexual lifestyle is accepted by God.

  • http://www.bibletruth9.com Alin

    This is crazy. What are they going to do next, ban the bible. It is filled with hate speech by their definition. My goodness!

    • Garrett

      They need to ban the bible. Religion is a disgrace for human nature. You can worship what you please, but when it denies rights for others, you’ve gone to far.

    • Lizzy

      But it is filled with so much hate. The Old Testament is rife with genocide, persecution, murder, misogyny, slavery, racism, infanticide, rape, and so much more.

      But then in the New Testament, we are told that Jesus died for our sins. The Original Sin has long since been forgiven. He teaches us to love one another, to treat each other with kindness and charity. That we don’t need to sacrifice to or for God, nor give pittance and tithe to the temples and churches. That when we pray, that we pray in solitude and know that God will hear our prayers and not be like the hypocrites who preach and pray to the public. And that above all, in order to walk with God, we basically just have to be good people and follow His (Jesus) example.

      For far too long, people have been cloaking their hatred and bigotry under the guise of religion. Bigotry and hate in the name of God is still bigotry and hate.

  • Phyllis

    The day Christians get it right in their own home, God will take care of the sinner!

    Apostle Paul makes it most clear the role of men, women, and children as individuals, as a family and as a church. After that, the rest is easy.

    Start with taking the feminist philosophy out of the church and see how following God’s order opens his storehouse of love and mercy for all.

    When Christians talk and walk God’s way, then we will hear from heaven and He will HEAL our LAND (even the sinner knows right from wrong and will sooner respect our faith when we follow God’s teachings as it was and is).

    Today’s sinful laws and acts are a reflection of today’s liberal Christian behviours within the body of Christ.

    We must humble ourselves and turn from our wicked ways. Yes, covering our heads, ladies, is humbling but it works.

    2 Chronicles 7:14
    1 Cornithians 6: 8-10
    1 Cornithians 11: 2-16
    1 Corinthians 14:33-39
    Ephesians 6:1-4
    Ephesians 5:23-28
    1 Corinthians 11: 10
    Revelations 2:20-23
    Revelations 2: 4-5
    Revelations 22: 12-17

  • http://acceptancefellowship.com Douglas McIntyre

    As one who lived the gay experience for over 25 years and has now lived the freedom that comes from allowing the life changing power of God for another 25 years. My fear is, that the truth of the possibilities of gender identity change are being silenced by those that demand the most tolerance, intolerance will lead to the harming of thousands of youth that could and , in many cases do, find freedom from the lies of those that want only to justify their “lifestyle. The scientific evidence is already available that proves that sexuality is fluid and no one is forever locked in a life without choice. The argument now has evolved down to “it’ my way or no way.” Without calling insults upon anyone the is freedom for all to choose. but choice is now a “hate crime” I guess I will choose to continue to be hated and state emphatically that change is possible!

    Co-founder of one of the oldest ministries for allowing freedom to change from SSA to “normal”

    • phyllis

      Yes, the bible teaches we have a choice– to choose right or wrong as seen in how Jesus said you will have no cloak to hide under. The people who thought Moses wasn’t coming back from Mount Sinai got the shock of their lives, literally, when they had to decide which side they were on, and those who chose sin went under. When laws take away our choice, they take away our ability to think, reason and decide. Yes, now choice (deciding right from wrong) is a “hate crime”. So it seems, Christians will soon have to die for what we believe in… “Matthew 10:39 –Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake (Jesus), will find it.”

  • jini

    If Canadian law doesn’t protect individual liberty, and only that which promotes “the greater good” to society, then what, pray tell, does Homosexuality offer in that regard? We need to ask ourselves the same question here in the USA.

  • Marc

    Maybe instead of only distributing flyers that say “The Bible is clear that homosexuality is an abomination”, now it’s time Christians also start distributing flyers that say: “The supreme court is an abomination”

  • Gary

    We don’t seem to learn very well (mankind) do we , God created everything and if his word says homosexuality is an abomination then that’s exactly what it is . Man makes rules to suite himself (condition , ideals , gain etc)
    We repeat our mistakes over and over , over thousands of years but when we submit to Almighty God and live by His rules we do exceedingly well.
    God Bless .

  • Charles Lawson

    The only way to define human sexuality properly is in context of Genesis. The difficulty is that we said there is no God and that we all evolved from some stagnant pond 4.5 billion years ago. With evolution as the premise and man’s dignity trashed by a supposed animal origin, why wouldn’t society come to the conclusion of the courts today? There can be no sanctity of the marriage institution or human sexuality as defined by evolution.
    The other premise that one commits a “hate” crime for stating his religious belief sounds a bit like the inquisition to me. No one is ever prosecuted for hating anyone. It is only when a person personally harms an individual that we can punish him for his incivility. If we ever accept this premise that the courts have settled on, society is in deep trouble. Anyone can take offence at anything someone else says and file law suits and destroy lives. In this age of “tolerance” we have become the most intolerant society in the history of the world excepting the Dark Ages when Church controlled the state. Why can’t Christian take evolutionists to court for maligning their religious beliefs. Certainly, there are hundreds of examples of the Creationist’s views being openly attacked. Atheists could sue any pastor who preaches a sermon about the wicked receiving the punishment of God. The secularist could sue the pants off Christians for telling them they are lost and going to hell. Free speech means just what it says. If we allow the courts to restrict this liberty in this one area, they will grasp the reigns of society and stop our mouths from saying anything against anyone about anything.

  • http://yahoo Bayo A. Atayero

    I am not surprised by this development only that believers should grow up and wisen up to the fact that the Devil is already preparing the ground and reasons for our persecution come tomorrow. The futuro isn’t going to be palatable for the Christian committed to witnessing the truth as this may be subjected several other codes like the one referred to here.
    Meanwhile, the polución is going on and the Churchill is working actively in aiding and abetting the process. How do we reconcile this?

    But then, all of this happenings, and many more to come, point to the fact that we are in the end times and the perilous times are here. Christian must therefore be encouraged to develop God, preacher the gospel in season and out of season, evangelize through all know avenues of communication and of course stand for the truth for the Churchill is the pillar and ground of truth.

    The end is nearest so be ware!!

  • DS

    Move to the USA Bro!

    When a government loses its moral compass they become a tyranny.

    Jesus’s mom & dad moved to Egypt to escape a tyrant. You should too. Yeah, we’ve got one in office now, but he’ll be gone soon, as will his illegal policies.

  • MurrayC

    Hey,Christians, let me ask you a question…

    At which point in time did Christianity claim ownership of morality? Was it BEFORE or AFTER the Crusades when millions of non christians died, or was forced to convert to, in the name of your imaginary friend?

  • EarlC

    It’s about time!

  • max benser

    Bible?
    1. Genocide
    2. Hate
    3. Racism
    4. Vandalism
    5. MASS-Killing
    6. Wars
    7. Pedophily&Sex
    8. CANNIBALISM
    9. Superstition

    Atheist 100%!!!

  • max benser

    1. US-Town HARDESTY against Atheism!!!
    2. US-State Texas against Atheism!
    3. US-State California against american Atheists!
    4. Catholic-Nazi-State Croatia against croatian Atheists!
    5. Croatians News Paper wrote very bad about crim. Bible in Canada!
    6. Croatians and Serbs christian ideological War against Atheists!
    7. Serbs President T. Nikolic: “Atheists in Serbia are not a people”
    8. Serbia: “Kill Atheists” Luke 19:27.

    Atheist 100%!!!

    • Alexander

      What are you talking about?

      Atheists are surely much more violent than Christians… Anyway you look at it.

      Now please don’t mention inquisition and crusades, as that is so lame, and out of context.

  • swen

    Um, I am considering myself atheist, but I would leave bible alone.Koran has much worse things interpreted against all religions that are not following Koran.I think majority of priest do not read this parts of bible in Canada simply, I think religion has gone with times and do try to be politically correct.If those “hateful” parts are there, than ban other religions preachings verses not just Christians.

  • PearlyQ

    Canada is wrong. To say that someone cannot love a person, but not embrace their behaviour is totally insane. Duh! This occurs daily in all relationships! So, for example, a parent who has a child on drugs doesn’t lose the ability to love the child yet hate the fact the kid is on drugs! Second of all, homosexuality is one of MANY sinful behaviours the BIBLE itself says is wrong. The Christians didn’t make this up, it’s been in the Bible staring at us for 4000 years! Stop blaming the Christians for having the right to believe what they believe. All Christians have their own sin they have turned from or are turning from. The Bible means for ALL to Turn from their sin and turn toward Christ. NO ONE can call themselves a Christian who intentionally practices what the Bible calls sin. You will have no genuine relationship with Christ if you do anyway, so stop kidding yourselves. The Bible also says that liars, adulterers, drunkards and so on will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Like it or lump it. I didn’t write the Bible.

    • Robby Clewley

      NO Canada is RIGHT. Being gay isnt a sin . Plus its none of your business what others do , who others marry, etc. It IS a hate crime and you just committed it. God loves us all but he says not to judge . You should be ashamed of yourself.

      • Sunny D

        It’s none of your business if someone wants to send out leaflets. Sending out leaflets is not a sin. It is a hate crime to say that someone is being hateful. If God doesn’t judge , then why are you? Your judging someone by telling them they committed a hate crime and by telling them to be ashamed of themselves. You are very hateful.

      • Sientje Seinen

        And it is not a hate crime when you sue someone whom doesnt hold your viewpoint and doesnt want to bake your wedding cakes? take the beam out of your own eye first. and G-d clearly tells us that homosexuality is an abomination, and send christ who suffered terribly for these sins of the flesh and outside the body. So you are also mocking Christ;s suffering.

        • Robby Clewley

          and yes you should be sued if you discriminate and not baking a cake for a loving couple.

          • NinjaQuick

            What if said loving couple, were, say, pedophiles, or cannibals?

          • Robby Clewley

            You seriously compared pedos and cannibals to gay people? SICKO

          • NinjaQuick

            I honestly cannot see how two things that are more natural, biologically speaking, than homosexuality is, can be considered as something worse.

            Your moral and ethical bias is so strongly determined by what your environment tells you to be true that you honestly can’t think things logically?

            As a sexual human, an active participant in the genetic history of our species, homosexuals are a disgusting abomination that do nothing to further the species.

            What is the root of your stance? Some social justice crusade? How is your humanist belief and arbitrary selection of what is right and wrong superior to, say, a thousand year old (or older) system that determined homosexuality to be an abomination?

            How is your belief, in and of itself, not also a twisted and perverted religion?

          • Robby Clewley

            you are an EVIL person , being gay is not wrong or against God . The bible is like any other book,,, written by a MAN . God loves ALL people so I suggest you look at yourself and your hate and SIN. Man you are STUPID. You are a BIGOT and if I wasnt a Christian id send you to heaven . asshole. I HIGHLY suggest you dont respond or write me anymore Ninja

          • NinjaQuick

            I know I am a sinner. That said, I will not sit idly while others justify the sins of others, and even convince themselves that what they are doing is not sin. The only victory in the scenario you desire is the darkness of the world – Satan.

            You call yourself a christian, but do you even believe in Christ, as the son of God, sent to deliver us from eternal death?

            Or is that all invalid because it is in the Bible, a book written by man?

            Last I checked, the justifications of homosexuality are also written, or spoken by man. How is it that one man’s words carry more weight than another’s? Is it because one makes you uncomfortable, even angry?

            You’re fighting a losing battle, on the wrong side, on the side of hate, and oppression.

          • Robby Clewley

            Not fighting a losing battle , last I checked every other week states are making gay marriage LEGAL . I am so thankfully for separation of church and state :) God is about LOVE and why should you or anyone else say whom one should be able to love? You should not and God loves us all the same . Being gay is not a sin. Its not in the 10 commandments

          • Spotted Feather

            There are more laws than just those 10. Last time I checked, it was a sin to see someone in need and not act to help them. That’s not in the 10 commandments either….

          • canucklehead

            You seem to miss the point, yet again. Conveniently avoiding the question of why people like you crusade on this one issue when so many, more common ones take a back seat.

            Live and let live.

          • Spotted Feather

            I’m not avoiding anything. People like me ? What kind of people is that ? I don’t crusade on anything. If GOD says it’s wrong, it’s wrong. I don’t focus on this one issue and avoid all others. I speak to the topic at hand. In this case, homosexualtiy and sin.

          • canucklehead

            LOL!! What “God” says? You’ve spoken with him recently? If so, get help. If you start quoting your book, prove it was inspired by your “God”. If you can’t, stop telling everyone else how to live and love.

          • Spotted Feather

            If you’re not a christian, why are you even here ? Do I go posting in boards that have nothing to do with me ? No. I hate Baseball, which isn’t a sport, so I don’t go in MLB message boards talking about how much I hate baseball. If all you want to do is ridicule things you don’t like and don’t believe, why are you here ? I’m sorry that you don’t have morals, friend. But we civilized people were taught that if you don’t have anything nice to say, don’t say anything at all. So, why don’t you take that little bit of common sense advice and quit making things up that people have said and calling them names ? Especially when nobody here has attacked you and called you names. Wouldn’t YOU get upset if someone called you names and said you were things that you were not ?

          • canucklehead

            I’m here because I’m Canadian and agree with this ruling. I mean, isn’t what this article is about? I’m also gay, so yeah, this article has everything to do with me. What’s it to you? Why does it bother you that your beliefs are challenged with logic?

            You confuse sin with morals. Sin is a concept within your religion and has nothing to do with me. Morality, on the other hand, exists irrespective of religion. I challenge you to define why homosexuality is immoral. That mean, do it without citing your religious beliefs. You can’t… and that’s why I have a better understanding of morality than you do.

            By the way, you were the one who started by calling ME a liar. Funny how you’ve managed to convince yourself that you were the victim. Such a good Christian.

          • Spotted Feather

            You called me a liar first, my friend. That’s a fact. And I never said that this thing affects me. Not once. Thanks again for making things up. And just so you know, you keep talking about my religion. I don’t have a religion. I don’t believe in religion. I believe in GOD, plain and simple. I believe in following what GOD says, not what man says that GOD says.

            I don’t confuse sin with morals. They’re the same thing. Doing something wrong is sinning or, in other words, having bad morals.

            I CAN. Anything that doesn’t aid the propagation of the human race.is wrong and immoral.

          • canucklehead

            Hmmm. Interesting. Let’s look this “fact” up:

            My comment:

            “By the way, even leaders of many Christian churches have softened on the rhetoric against homosexuality. The pope himself is suggesting that the civilized world is changing and that condemning homosexuals is unjust. Yet you seem to think you know better.”

            “You need to look within yourself and ask why you personally harbour such negativity towards gays, when even leaders of your own religion disagree with you. Is such a belief truly because of your religion? Why does it matter to you so much how others love?”

            “Live and let live.”

            Your response:

            “For someone to change the way the word of GOD is used is completely wrong. GOD’s word is GOD’s word. It doesn’t change and humans definately can’t and shouldn’t change it. I don’t seem to think I know better. I just know that when the bible says that man can’t change the world of GOD, then man shouldn’t change the word of GOD.”

            “I don’t harbour any negativity towards gays. Thank you so much for lying about what I do or don’t believe or do. If GOD says something is wrong, then it’s wrong. If GOD says something is good, then it’s good. And the leaders of my religion don’t disagree with me. I’m Christian, not catholic. Therefore, the leaders of my “religion” (I don’t believe in religion, by the way) are GOD and Jesus. And like I said, when the say something, that’s the way it always is. I doesn’t and can’t change.”

            This was immediately before I cited you as a liar… and you’re doing it again.

            And no, sin is not the same as morals. Sin is a religious concept. Morality is a sociological one. While “sin” is a concept based on morality, morality exist outside of the concept of “sin”. Similarly, an apple is a fruit but a fruit is not an apple. See how that works? Please get educated before continuing to participate in this debate. As it is, it’s too easy.

            Regarding “Anything that doesn’t aid the propagation of the human race.is wrong and immoral.”, LOL!! Thanks for showing the world what a nut job you are. So, an elderly married couple who have sex are being immoral? What about married couples who choose to not have children? So, in your world, any sexual intercourse done without the intent of having a child is considered immoral. I gotccha.

            With that, I see it is pointless to debate with you as you’re clearly out of your mind. Continue living your life in fear and keep on telling everyone else how to live. You must be fun at parties (assuming you’re ever invited to any).

            Ciao.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you love human beings that is your problem you love the lawyers who make big money on making new laws and what did our Lord say about lawyers? “Woe unto ye lawyers who make it difficult for people to give thanks to the lord and load them with unbearable burdens which you gays do by persecuting christians whom do not want to make cakes for something they believe God calls an abomination and since when are you greater than God in your wisdom?

          • Spotted Feather

            Well, GOD says that being gay is against HIM. Also, if you don’t believe in the bible truth that it was written by GOD (which it was) and says what GOD does and doesn’t do, then how do you know what He does or doesn’t do ?

          • Robby Clewley

            No he does not say it is against him . God is about LOVE . Period

          • Spotted Feather

            You really didn’t read that part of the bible where GOD says being gay is wrong ? HIM saying gay is wrong doesn’t mean GOD isn’t about love. Since your mind seems to be clouded for some reason, you can love someone but not love what they do. How can you not understand something so simple ?

          • Robby Clewley

            Being gay is being who we are . It is NOT wrong but believe what you will. You have no right to say anything about gay people. It does not affect your life at all so why do you even care. My gay relationship or bi relationships wont affect your straight one.

          • Spotted Feather

            I thought that you believed in GOD and the bible. If so, how can you possibly pick and choose which parts to ignore ?

          • Robby Clewley

            I believe in parts that are about LOVE and ACCEPTANCE. That is what God is about. Thats why I dont watch these hateful homophobic pastors who just condemn people. I watch joel Osteen as he uplifts the human spirit with God’s message of everlasting love.

          • Spotted Feather

            You watch Joel Osteen ? Have you completely missed the part where he agrees that being gay is wrong ? And don’t think I’m making it up. He’s said it himself multiple times.

          • Robby Clewley

            But he doesnt preach about it . He says its not his place to judge , thats up to God and its between God and the person. You just preach hate . You should be ashamed of what you have become.

          • Spotted Feather

            He doesn’t say that being gay is wrong ? Have you not seen his interviews ? I don’t preach hate….for people, anyway. I don’t preach hate for anything other than sinful behaviour. You know, like how GOD says to ?

            I should feel ashamed that I follow what GOD says is right and wrong ? I should feel ashamed for taking care of baby animals ? I should feel ashamed for helping people that need help ? I should feel ashamed for not saying that I’m GOD or that GOD made me do something bad (taking the lord’s name in vain) ?

          • Robby Clewley

            You can follow what you think God says in your own life but you have no right to judge others and then so ” oh god says so” God didnt ask you to judge others. ” Dont judge lest you be judged ” You are a hypocrite

          • Spotted Feather

            I don’t follow what I THINK GOD says. I follow what HE says. Simple as that. I don’t judge people….which GOD says not to do. I

          • canucklehead

            And on behalf of those whom you feel you have the right to judge, I say, keep your beliefs to yourself. I’d be more than happy to tell you how you should live your life but quite frankly, I’m more than happy to let you live in ignorance.

          • Spotted Feather

            Again, since people can’t seem to understand this. I don’t judge people, as the bible says not to. I judge behavior, which the bible DOES say to do. It’s as simple as that. And I am far from ignorant. In this case, I am using the word correctly, canucklhead. Unlike you. You do know that it means you don’t know something….right ?

          • canucklehead

            Actually, it seems you’re the one who is misunderstanding. When Jesus said, “he without sin can cast the first stone”, this was a commentary on judgement of behaviour (in this case, what Christianity considered “sin”). So no, your bible DOESN’T condone the judgement of behaviour, because, as Jesus suggest, we all “sin”.

          • Spotted Feather

            Who said there are only ten laws ? The 10 commandments were/are just the main ones. And that part where you says that the bible doesn’t condone the judgement of behaviour……guessing you’ve missed the parts where the bible condones judgement of behaviour….

            “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.”
            In other words, don’t judge the person, judge their behaviour.

            “judge your neighbor fairly”

            This speaks for it’s self.

            “judge fairly, whether the case is between two Israelites or between an Israelite and a foreigner residing among you.”

            “He will not judge by what he sees with his eyes, or decide by what he hears with his ears;”

            I take this to mean judge by the law and what’s right and wrong.

            Judge not according to the appearance,…. Or through respect of persons, and so as to please men, the Scribes and Pharisees; who had condemned the action of Christ, in curing the diseased man on the sabbath day, and sought to kill him for it:

            “but judge righteous judgment; give your sense and judgment of things, according to the truth and evidence of them; and do not find fault with that, which you yourselves allow of, and which Moses and his law, and your own practices, justify.”

            Again, this is self explanatory.

          • Sientje Seinen

            plus Jesus also said. :Go and sin no more” something you dont mention and the other saying is this. “Fear God who has the power to cast ye into hell” and since God has forbidden homosexuality and you do not repent where do you think you are heading?

          • canucklehead

            By the way, even leaders of many Christian churches have softened on the rhetoric against homosexuality. The pope himself is suggesting that the civilized world is changing and that condemning homosexuals is unjust. Yet you seem to think you know better.

            You need to look within yourself and ask why you personally harbour such negativity towards gays, when even leaders of your own religion disagree with you. Is such a belief truly because of your religion? Why does it matter to you so much how others love?

            Live and let live.

          • Spotted Feather

            For someone to change the way the word of GOD is used is completely wrong. GOD’s word is GOD’s word. It doesn’t change and humans definately can’t and shouldn’t change it. I don’t seem to think I know better. I just know that when the bible says that man can’t change the world of GOD, then man shouldn’t change the word of GOD.

            I don’t harbour any negativity towards gays. Thank you so much for lying about what I do or don’t believe or do. If GOD says something is wrong, then it’s wrong. If GOD says something is good, then it’s good. And the leaders of my religion don’t disagree with me. I’m Christian, not catholic. Therefore, the leaders of my “religion” (I don’t believe in religion, by the way) are GOD and Jesus. And like I said, when the say something, that’s the way it always is. I doesn’t and can’t change.

          • canucklehead

            Your comments speak for themselves and you’re the one that’s lying if you say otherwise. No wonder Christians are so disliked by so many. Hypocrites like you make the good ones look bad.

            As far as Christian vs Catholic, you do realize that Catholicism is a Christian sect, right? Additionally, you earlier cited the names of several religions as one unified majority. So which is it? Each belief system is separate and we must respect them all or all religions speak as a single majority?

          • Spotted Feather

            I am not a liar. I don’t lie to anyone about anything. Never have. How am I a hypocrite ? What have I said but did the opposite ? You don’t know me. As for catholics being Christian….not hardly. Christians pray to Jesus and GOD. That’s it. catholics pray to hundreds of others. That’s wrong. Christians don’t call anyone Father unless it’s GOD or their biological fathers. Jesus said that calling someone other than your actual father, Father, is wrong.

            I realize that I posted about several different religions. So what ? I never once said they were unified. I was saying that all of the major religions say that being gay is wrong. And ?

          • canucklehead

            What? You sound upset. You don’t like it when someone calls you a liar? Go figure.

            As for what “God” said, what evidence do you have that the supreme being said anything? Oh right, it’s in the bible, a book written by man. What, it’s inspired by your god you say? How do you know that. Ahhh yes, it says so in that book.

            Good going telling everyone about what “God” approves of and doesn’t approve of. Without any actual proof or evidence, you’ve been lying to yourself and everyone about the existence of such a god. It’s the biggest lie in history, after all.

          • Spotted Feather

            You mean without any evidence that you’ll accept. And yeah, I’m upset when people, with no basis, calls me a liar. In no way, shape, or form am I a liar. As I said, I never lie to anyone about anything. Where do you get that I lie ?

          • canucklehead

            LOL!! Interesting that you are so offended by being called a liar but you don’t hesitate to call me one. You’re such a good Christian… blindly following whatever you’re told. Good for you.

            There is zero proof your God said anything, let alone even exists. And before you start blabbing about how life existing is proof in itself, look up the meaning of “proof”. Just because something is unexplainable doesn’t mean a supreme being caused it.

          • Spotted Feather

            Of course, I get offended by being called a liar when I’m not one. You call me a liar but still have failed to point out where I’ve lied. I don’t blindly follow whatever I’m told. Why do you keep making things up that I believe or don’t believe ?

          • KenS

            Catholicism ceased to be christian when it married with the government and pagan religions years ago and became a cult at that time.

          • Sientje Seinen

            because when you love the Lord Christ Jesus and know He gave His life for you, you dont stand quietly and have gays mock His suffering, as He took on the wrath of God for the sins of the flesh and those outside the flesh, to mock Christ;s sacrifice so that we could inherit eternal life, will surely provoke the Lord God to anger, are you willing to take on God’s anger and are able to stand before Him, when you condone you are giving your stamp of approval to same May the Lord have mercy on you.

          • Sientje Seinen

            actually or Lord Christ Jesus said. “Judge with righteous judment, and since the Lord God Himself calls homosexuality an abomination are we suppose to say God is wrong in His Word, No you are ensnared by satan, wanting people to rebel against the Word of God, the same as the serpent tried to bewitch Adam and eve, we are aware of his craftiness, you are under his control, turn to the Lord who will abundantly pardon, when you come with a contrite spirit and humble in your heart not walkin in your own wisdom

          • Sientje Seinen

            well since God chastises everyone whom He receives, seems to me you have not been chosen or accepted as you havent repented or changed to accept Christ as your Lord and saviour instead of demanding God to accept your behaviour.

          • Sientje Seinen

            That is not true it is written God spoke these Words “Jacob I loved but Esau I hated? and why did God hate Esau, because He was irreverent did despise his inheritance and the Word of God, like you do by making it a lie, It was written by Holy men inspired by the Holy spirit which proceeds from the Lord God.

          • Sam

            Hi, you are not a Christian. Please stop calling yourself that. You’re a complete disgrace to all true Christians out there. So just stop. Everything in the Bible is true and that is what real Christians believe in. In Genesis, God created a man and woman; neither man and man nor woman and woman. So yeah…which cult do you belong to? ;)

          • Robby Clewley

            YES I am a Christian. I belong to the Metro Community CHRISTIAN church here in San Francisco. God says not to hate, yeah you obeyed that one real well. I will NEVER stop calling myself what I am …. a CHRISTIAN.

          • http://www.rlbm.org Robert L. Bufkin

            If your mother or dad had believed like you YOU wouldn’t be here…homo sex and same sex mg is a death wish.. homo sex is a suicide spirit.. would being an end to society of human beings.

          • Robby Clewley

            my mom and dad did believe like me .

          • Sam

            We should pray for him.

          • KenS

            how can you claim to be a Christian and say that the bible is written by man and is like any other book?

          • Robby Clewley

            because i love and believe in god. just dont think all of the bible is accurate or up to modern times. how can you as a christian be in favor of what bible says about homosexuality

          • KenS

            To be a Christian you can not choose what parts of the bible you believe, it is all or nothing

          • Robby Clewley

            I believe the bible but not the hateful parts. It says if you curse your parents , steal , have sex outside of marriage and have gay sex you should be put to death. Do you really approve of that ?

          • KenS

            We are no longer under the law of the old testament, if you understood at all how to read the bible, you would not jump to such conclusions.

          • Robby Clewley

            I know how to read the bible , the loving parts is what I read.

          • KenS

            Because as a christian, the bible tells me that the sin of homosexuality is treated the same as the sin of lying, stealing, fornication, etc. All of which can be forgiven and must be steered away from once a person is saved, it does not mean that a saved person will not do these sins, but he is supposed to strive not to do these with the help of the holy spirit and when he fails in any one of these he is to immediately ask for forgiveness and it will be given. He is not to continually live in said sin.

          • Robby Clewley

            Homosexuality is not a sin. God is about love , doesnt matter what gender you love. I am saved and I am a bisexual man and a christian. I do my best but i love who i love and everyone should be able to.

          • Sientje Seinen

            well you do recruit dont you, otherwise this man would have been left alone to raise his children instead the gay recruited him and enticed him away from his family. though I must say the man was weak in the first place.

          • Robby Clewley

            recruit ? lol. We dont recruit , I am Bisexual . but gay people do not recruit . That is so absurd. We just support other gay and bi people who face oppression by the likes of people like YOU.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you do recruit whether you want to admit or not, since you live a lie, why would you not lie about recruiting, why are you making sexual orientation in the schools such an issue, as the kids got along fine long before any of your got out of the closet, so you do foist your beliefs on the very young , why are you as a you say you are a christian not putting forth to have prayers put back into the schools, of course not that isnt on your agenda is it, and you call yourself a christian?

          • Sientje Seinen

            and you should be sued for the hatred to wards us and calling us names, how very unchristian of you. shame on you, as you are intolerant towards anyone who doesnt follow your own wordly wisdom.

          • darryl

            God does love everyone but he does not like the sins we chose to enjoy

          • Sientje Seinen

            not true why would God say “Jacob I loved but Esau I hated, because Esau was irreverent did not honour his mother rebecca, and since Christ came to take away the sins of the world Christ is not an agent of sin, as When we sin wilfully after coming to know the Truth, there is only fear of judgment.” as there is no more sacrifice for sin,as they deliberately hold the Son of man Christ up to ridicule and shame.”

          • Robby Clewley

            I love Christ , and so does my husband . We go to church and worship the lord. Who are you to speak out against homosexuality anyway .. it does not affect you what gay people do

          • Sientje Seinen

            it does when they parade it down our streets, when sexual orientation is taught in the schools, which has no place in the schools, as it is the parents responsibility. We dont want it taught that homosexual relations are natural, It is not blessed by the Lord as you mock Christ suffering for these sins of the flesh and those outside the body. He paid the price for you with His blood at calvary, and if you deny the Lord He will also deny you before His father in heaven, who forbid homosexual relations.

          • Robby Clewley

            I never deny the lord , I love the lord with all of my heart and he LOVES and ACCEPTS me. He does not forbid two men or two women in a monogamous relationship. More straight people have sexuality immorality than gay people. You believe what you believe and I will believe what I believe BUT no matter what you feel about this issue gay pride parades will still happen, gay marriage will continue to be made legal in more and more places and acceptance will still be taught in schools. sex education has been taught for years and sex outside of marriage has been taught to kids in schools , dont hear anyone complaining there. Its parents like you that create hate crimes against gay people by teaching your kids this HATE. It does not matter cause we are winning and homosexuality is accepted. So speak for God all you want cause he speaks to my heart and I know I am going to Heaven .

          • Sientje Seinen

            well then you are mocking Christ great suffering on calvary who died and shed His blood for you to repent of your sins and ask Him to come and make His abode with you. aS sin and the Lord cannot walk together, as Adam lost communion with God after his disobedience in the garden of Eden. you provoke the Lord God to anger with mocking Christ great suffering for our sins, repent and turn to the Lord God whom will abundantly pardon, as with the more lawlessness increases the sooner our Lord and saviour will appear to rescue us from your depraved lifestyles and forcing upon our children, and the wrath of God will rest upon you continually. for you mocking Christ suffering for your sinfullness.

          • canucklehead

            A parent’s jurisdiction on the education of his offsprihg is not boundless. If a parent chooses to teach his child that murder is okay, it would be considered child abuse and the child should be removed from the home for the child’s safety.

          • Sientje Seinen

            no christian parent would teach their child that murder is okay since it is in the commandments, why dont you educate yourself about what a christian teaches their children instead of assuming, you are probably voted in for abortions, which is also murder, see your government has refused to listen to the Word of God and walks in its own wisdom, not surprised the U.S.A is going down the tubes fast. No thankfullness and giving God praise to the Lord for all its blessings. now worshipping humans is the god of the day.

          • canucklehead

            You have problems understanding the concept of an analogy, don’t you? Oh, thanks for the “education” on Christian teachings. Based on your comments, I would have thought it was all about the denial of facts, promoting bigotry, telling everyone else how to run their lives by following a work of fiction. I mean, your comments are so absurd, I’m starting to think you’re trying to be sarcastic and being ironical.

            If your god is so against homosexuals, why does he keep making them? If you think it is so easy to recruit straight people to have gay relations, you must an inmate attraction to other women and at some point in your life, had to choose to be with men (or to be celibate?). Because we all choose the gender we’re attracted to, right?

            The line of thinking by people like you lacks all logic… which explains why it is so easy for you to so confidently believe that a book, written by man, is inspired by an all knowing, all seeing god. And you all know this… because the book you believe says so. That about sums it up, right?

          • Sientje Seinen

            you have a big problem because of your unbelief. since God does not create you in the womb homosexual, a baby has no knowledge of right or wrong only wants its need satisfied, therefore homosexuals dont out grow the need to have their lustfull desires satisfied, they are known as the spawns of satan, as God clearly told this to satan in Genesis 4 verses 14 and 15, as they are now ensnared by satan to do his will and bring mankind into rebellion agains the Lord God, you are the tares which were sown by satan, and the Lord will gather the wheat but burn those tares when He returns. Come Lord Jesus come No it because we have a reverence for the Lord God in our hearts, that is why we turn away from sinfull ways which He has forbidden. since that is not in your heart, except to rebel against the lord and His word, you are ripe for satan to use you to try and destroy the works of the Lord.

          • canucklehead

            You need help. Get some before it’s too late.

          • janmit63

            Christians do not teach their children to hate any one, but we do teach them to hate sin & homosexuality is in fact a sin & anyone who teaches their child other wise should lose all rights to their children, any homosexual couple should not be allowed to have children.

          • canucklehead

            Right, because everyone is Christian and thus should follow your Christian rules, right? Morality is a sociological set of rules for good behaviour. Sin is a religious person’s interpretation of morality. While homosexuality is considered a sin to the devoutly religious, it is not considered immoral outside of religion.

            You’re welcome to follow your own beliefs. You don’t have the right to impose those beliefs on others. I consider your level of ignorance and intolerance hateful. As much as I don’t think you should have the right to raise children, I don’t have the right you deny you of that. Too bad your type of Christian think you can push your idiocy onto everyone else. Good thing for us… we can just dismiss you as brainwashed and mentally ill.

          • janmit63

            Do not put words in my mouth, I never said everyone was a Christian. Let me enlighten you a little bit 1) Christianity is not a religion. 2) I did not become a Christian until about 6 months a never had much to do with it really & guess i still did not believe homosexuality, so that proves your statement as incorrect. And you do not have the right to impose your sin on others who choose not to accept it. There is no ignorance or intolerance here only the truth. I have more of a right to raise children because they would be raised correctly., & not by 2 people who are living in sin. Nobody is pushing any thing on you & never said you had to accept any thing i have said, I leavee that to people like you. Nope no brainwashing or mental illness here, I chose to accept God on my own free will. Truth is you have been brainwashed to believe this is on & that is a fact. just being a good person is not going to get you into heaven. And no the KKK are not Christians, see that man in the photo he is 1 of my pastors who just passed away & he was a grand wizard of the KKK until he found God. Don’t believe me look him up. His name is Johnny Lee Clary he has a wonderful testimony.

          • canucklehead

            You don’t seem to understand the English language. When you dictate your religious rules regarding how everyone should live, you imply that everyone follows your beliefs. They don’t. My obvious point was that your rules regarding “sin” don’t apply to the those who don’t believe as you do, so STFU.

            Let me enlighten you: 1) In the same way that you’re not born a racist, kids don’t grow up with an innate belief that homosexuality is wrong. It is a concept taught to them by the people around them. Still doesn’t make this belief a correct one. 2) It is not “imposing sin onto others” when someone tells you to keep your beliefs to yourself. Unless someone is forcing you to like gay sex, I say you have no basis for an argument. 3) “Correctly” is very subjective. I would say teaching children to be intolerant of others is hateful and equivalent to child abuse. Thing is, the law is more on my side than it is on your side. Children have been removed from families that teach hate. 4) Truth is an interesting thing. It’s true whether or not you believe it. Truth is I think you’re a hateful bigot. Truth is I think people like you are a danger to society. Truth is I think you’re an arrogant twerp who thinks he has the right to dictate to others how they should live. Truth is, you don’t. 5) Considering that this article is about how our hate laws are denying a person to speak hateful things, even in the name of his religion, I would way that Christians like you HAVE been pushing your beliefs onto others. I mean, your original post to me regarding how homosexual couples should have their children taken away is clearly YOU pushing your beliefs onto others. 6) Brainwashing has to do with believing in what others are telling you to believe. I can think for myself, thank you very much. You on the other hand, are welcome to continue living your life of lies based on your “good book”. 7) Get educated. The KKK is a Christian based group.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ku_Klux_Klan

            Finally, if gays can’t marry because of your beliefs, you can’t have eat donuts because I’m on a diet.

            I’m done with your insanity. Ciao.

          • Sientje Seinen

            because the reason Christ was sent to call everyone to repentance, just because you go to church doesnt make you a christian. to worship the Lord Christ Jesus is to give your life over to Him,and ask Him to cleanse your heart from wicked thoughts and desires, since God the father of Christ has forbidden homosexual relations, and Christ paid the penalty for same, if you love the Lord for paying the price for your sins then cease from sinning and give praise to the Lord God of Israel for sending Christ to redeem you from the road to destruction. Do you honour your father and mother and are able to give them their own grandchildren? or do you despise them and not honour the family name by letting it die out? remember the Lord said to honour your parents so that the days will be long in the land the Lord your God giveth you. He created Eve for Adam as a helpmate, not another man

          • Robby Clewley

            People like you act like you are sinless. Love is love and gay love is accepted by God . Hate is not though so if anyone will be denied entry into God’s kingdom I think it will be you. I feel sorry for you , to have such hate in your heart for another human being. You are a sad sad woman

          • lynn hooker

            Robby, the only hate I see on this forum is from you. You continue to call names and call Christians who are trying to warn you of your sin as hateful bigots. You do realize that Jesus wrote BOTH the Old and the New Testaments right? Both condemn homosexuality. How is it that when a Christian warns the unrepentant of sin we are now “sinless” as you say? I’m sure you are familiar with Christ’s teachings on judging in Matthew 7. To say the bottom line of this chapter is “do not judge,” would be an ignorant statement. Christ is against hypocritical judging and not dealing with our own issues and sins. I know of no sincere Christian who loves the Lord and refuses to deal with their sins and issues-if they REALLY love the Lord we would OBEY Him. I John tells us that if we continue to sin after coming to the Lord then we are liars and the truth is not in us. Jesus Christ came to this earth with two very distinguishing characteristics-Grace AND Truth. He did not preach “I love you and you can live any way you see fit.” Nor did He preach “You are so horrible that I can’t love you.” His message was “You are lost in your sin, but I love you so much I will take your place of punishment. Turn from your sin and turn to me.” I have been a Christian for over 31 years and have been faithfully studying it that long. I find it to be a liberating work of art. HOWEVER, it is also the sword of Truth and judgement by which all will be judged who REFUSE to turn from sin. Your sin of homosexuality is no worse than any other sin. Yet, your sin of homosexuality will demand payment when you stand before God. Why would you choose sin over such a wonderful Savior? There is no such thing as a gay Christian. Paul said “Let every one who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.” I hate no one. But I DO hate heresy and the twisting of the most sacred teachings in the world. I pray that you and your partner turn from sin and turn to Christ. You cannot have both.

          • Robby Clewley

            Show me in the 10 commandments where it says Thou shalt not be gay . Its NOT there. YOu have NO right to say anything against gay people because me being gay or gay people marrying does not make you lose sleep or affect your life at all. Gay marriage wont ruin your straight marriage. I am not being hateful, just defending my life and my views and when I call you hateful homophobic bigots , its not judgment , its a FACT. It doesnt matter what you think though … cause guess what ? Gay marriage is now LEGAL in 31 states and DC and soon to be 50 states. DOMA is gone and its now being accepted in this country and has been legal in Canada for many years. So .. you saying its wrong wont change the law . You think God is against it but he is not. Sorry you were lied to.

          • Sientje Seinen

            in the ten commandments the first is “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God will all thy heart, mind and soul, and the second is Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself, for this is the prophets and the law.” Now the prophets called people to repentance, they treated them badly, And the law is Man shall not lie with mankind as with womankind it is an abomination”: and since Christ was sent by God the Father, whom spoke these words. “Fear God who has the power to cast ye into hell.” and since Christ sealed the new covenant with His blood, re Jeremiah 31 verse 31, we uphold the laws of God and therefore it is impossible to love your neighbour as oneself, unless the Love of Christ is rooted within your heart, and so have Him come and make His abode with you, to cleanse your heart from all wicked thoughts and deeds. as:::when you by the spirit put to death the deeds of the body you will live.:” and you impress children at an early age with having your lifestyle promoted as normal another lie which is a sin turn to the Lord and He will abundantly pardon.

          • http://www.rlbm.org Robert L. Bufkin

            THOU SHALT NOT COMMIT ADULTERY… and that includes all SEXUAL SINS… HONOR FATHER and MOTHER>> if that was obeyed..there would never be any homos… ask DR FREUD and other MD’s THAT IS WHAT THEY SAID…

          • Robby Clewley

            Get help Robert , please before its too late. Dr Richard Pillard who was one of the doctors that had homosexuality removed as a mental disorder from the DSM would strongly disagree. Its a normal thing.

          • Joel Rivera

            Where in the Bible does is say that gay love is accepted by God??? Ever heard of the saying, “God hates the sin but loves the sinner”?

          • janmit63

            I keep asking this question of these types of people but never seem to get an answer.

          • Joel Rivera

            I don’t expect answers either. They think they know it all and often they regurgitate what they hear word of mouth from others who don’t know what they’re talking about.

          • Robby Clewley

            Being gay is not a sin PERIOD. He loves us all and love is love . Must make you mad that being gay is accepted here in America , sorry but you are losing the war . :)

          • Joel Rivera

            LOL, boy, you sure are bullheaded. You never answered the question….where in the Bible does it say that gay love is accepted by God? Specific chapter and verse. Also please tell us all why only men and women are only able to procreate using compatible parts, but not gays. And please point to a tangible study that says being gay is in the genes, but not deviant sexual behaviors, alcoholism, thievery, lying, molestation, rape, murder, and evil. If people are born gay, then aren’t they born with these other qualities I mention? If there is gene for gayness, then there has to be a gene for these things. Finally, please don’t avoid looking for scripture to back up what you assume of God and your lifestyle if you expect your argument to hold water. And for your information, I’m not mad,,,I just pity the lost.

          • Robby Clewley

            Pit the lost ? LOL says the lost soul holding an EVIL gun. Gay people are born gay , its been proven. We can procreate. I have a son. Not together but procreation isnt the sole reason for loving someone. It cannot be compared to those awful things you mentioned and the bible is not all true. I am a better Christian and person than you will ever be Mr gun nut

          • Robby Clewley
          • janmit63

            There is no such thing as a gay gene & they are not born that way. That gay gene garbage is just more government propaganda bulcrap. And no you can’t procreate with your so called partner did you have sex with him & make that child,no you did not, you needed a woman to accomplish that feat? And you have no business bringing a child into your sinful life style choice, thay boys blood is on your hands if you do not teach him that you are living in sin. You are not a Christian by any means because there is no such thing as a gay Christian. I pity you because you are so lost. You need a come to Jesus meeting.

          • Robby Clewley

            Yes there is and yes there are gay christians . What happened to you that you became so hateful ? My son is very well adjusted. He came out to me as gay last year and has a boyfriend. He lives with his mom but Im proud of him. Being gay is not sinful. Its natural. I am not lost at all .. I know who I am as do the MILLIONS of Gay and lebsian americans . Its you that is lost.

          • janmit63

            No there is not & no there is not any such thing as a gay Christian. I am not being hateful, I love everyone because to hate any one is a sin, but that does not mean I have to love their sin. Your son is not well adjusted, you now have him living in sin also. Yes being gay is a sin in fact it’s an abomination, & it’s not natural, because there is not 1 thing natural or moral about a man sticking their manly bits up another mans behind. You need to read your Bible, (Levi 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is
            abomination, Levi 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with
            a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely
            be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. 1 Cor 6:9-10 9 Know ye
            not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not
            deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor
            effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,(homosexuals)

            10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor
            extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Cor 7:2 Nevertheless,
            to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife, and let every
            woman have her own husband. Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up
            unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use
            into that which is against nature:
            27 And likewise also the men,
            leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward
            another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in
            themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
            28 And
            even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave
            them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not
            convenient. 1 Tim 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves
            with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if
            there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine.) That right there speaks out against Homosexuality. So in fact it’s you & those other who are the lost. so I ask again show me 1 verse where God clearly says that He is ok with homosexuality?

          • Robby Clewley

            oh so you are advocating gay people be put to death ? Oh and you are a hunter too ? Wow so Christian of you. Being gay is not a sin , Im very sorry but you lose. God didnt ask you to judge people , it does not affect your life at ALL.

          • janmit63

            Stop putting words in my mouth because I never said gays should be pout to death. So tel;l me how does 1 hunt when they have no guns in their home & I don’t own any bows either, but I am not against it either God gave us the animals to eat. Actually homosexuality is an abomination (means hates). I am not judging I am simply speaking Gods word. Yes it does when you attack my fellow Brothers & Sisters.

          • Robby Clewley

            Seriously get help before its too late … I know a good psychologist I can recommend . I am being serious here. Its obvious you have some twisted views and are against equality , get help.

          • janmit63

            You are a real joke telling me that I am the one who needs a psychologist so that I can be brainwashed to think it’s ok for a man to stick his junk up another mans behind, any one who thinks that’s moral is sick in the head & is the one who needs the psychologist. So I guess you also think that pedophiles & those that screw animals should also have equality, you want homosexuality to be equal, so you should also be fighting for these people to have equal rights as well. You are the one who should seek that psychologist, because I clearly do not need one, but you obviously do.

          • Robby Clewley

            Yes YOU need psych help. You persecute gay people because of your twisted views. Gay people dont do anything to you , why do you care how LGBT people live their lives ? You right wing Christian nuts always compare being gay to pedophelia and beastiality . It has nothing to do with those two sick things. Two men or two women having a relationship is LEGAL and those things are ILLEGAL. Gay people , gay adults deserve the same rights that straight people do. Its like if the bible said you have to eat chicken , would you persecute people that eat beef or fish ? Its about who a person is , why would you hate someone because how they were born ? You need help , people like you are the ruin of this nation. You sicken me .

          • janmit63

            No I do not need any help & I will not let evil people like you twist things around to make it look like & am the twisted one. And I am not persecutiong anyone God already did that, all I am doing is telling you His words so again you are twisting things around to push your sinful, immoral behavior on others. Yes they did when they demanded to steal Gods marriage covenant & trying to silence us well newsflash there are a lot more Christians then there are gays & we are not going away & we want our country back & we will fight for it. And yes it does have to do with those 2 things because it’s now coming out that pedophiles & those who commit bestiality are now wanting their civil rights & if according to you gays can have those rights then so should they, and that’s why any male pedophiles who goes after a little boy is also a homosexual, the same goes for any female that whoukld go after a little girl. No because eating fish is not a sin but homosexuality is a sin. They were not born that way so get off that garbage, it';s never been proven & never will be. No evil people like you are the ones who need help & have destroyed this once great nation to it’s knees. I pity people like you.

          • Bishop Jay Staab

            I read the article. I love how it says, “may be” and “could have effect.” What they are saying is that doctors are trying to prove something and their study thus far appears to be leaning in the direction they want it to go. In other words, they are trying to make it say what they want it to say. Unacceptable.

          • Robby Clewley

            So you are anti gay as well Bishop ?

          • http://www.rlbm.org Robert L. Bufkin

            Well said sir Seinen…

          • janmit63

            Well said Sientje. Let me put it to you this way Robbie & this is a testimony. I used to cuss like a sailor in fact I could probably could of cuss them under the table, but about 6 months ago I asked God to forgive me of that sin & to remove it from me & He did. Now that’s not saying that one might not pop out once in a while, because we are all sinners & fall short of the glory of God, but I ask for forgiveness & forget about it because I know God has forgiven & forgotten.

          • http://www.rlbm.org Robert L. Bufkin

            BUT IT IS A SOCIETAL SUICIDE SPIRIT – all society will end – when all become homos – plus MEDICAL SCIENCE says that the homos die earlier and have and spread diseases that bring painful early death… Dr. S. Freud said so.. read what DR> FREUD said about it. ASK any FORMER homo for yourself.. Do some research about it.

          • Robby Clewley

            You are a sicko , no such thing as “former homo” . we are who we are and dont change . your war on gay people is losing , give it up dude.

          • roger

            Jesus said, John 14:15 (NASB)
            15 “If you love Me, you will keep My commandments.

            Jesus spoke volumes in keeping the Old Law perfectly. we know Jesus taught His apostles for 3 1/2 years and we know what they said in His Holy Book. Romans 1:26-27 (NASB)
            26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

            Or in 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NASB)
            9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

            I know there is not ONE example anybody can give of someone being a homosexual in the Bible and that is ever approved of. Go ahead and show me one example of good homosexual behavior.

          • Robby Clewley

            I feel sorry for you , so caught in your hate of your fellow man.

          • roger

            Galatians 4:16 (NASB)
            16 So have I become your enemy by telling you the truth?

            I do not hate you nor anyone, but I do love you and that is why I am so passionate in pleading with you to repent and turn to Jesus and His word. He is the only way to the Father in heaven. Remember you and me are the created and the creator is the one who gets to tell us how to live. Go back and reread what I have posted and then look it up in Gods word and then follow it.

          • Robby Clewley

            I didnt ask you for what you believe to be is the truth. I know my truth and I know my relationship with God. You have your relationship with him but you have no right to judge others. I have God in my life. Whom I love doesnt change that.

          • roger

            So how am I judging when God has made his judgment already? How do you understand Romans 1:26-27 (NASB)
            26 For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, 27 and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error.

            Notice the words, “degrading passions” “committing indecent acts” “due penalty of their error.” Homosexual behavior is never described in a good way in Gods Word which is the only book you or I have that tells us about how to live our lives that is acceptable to God.

          • Robby Clewley

            You use the bible to further your hate and judgment of gay people. Maybe you should worry about your own life and leave others alone.

          • roger

            There you go again! These are not my words they are God’s! How surprised will you be when you learn God was not full of hate but still commanded you to repent of living that way and live the way He said. One man one woman and that is what God called marriage. Not my words, but the Heavenly Father’s words.

          • Robby Clewley

            Ok then Ill let god speak them to me , I dont care to hear them from someone who hates gay people like yourself. The bottom line is it is a hate crime to condemn gay people and soon will be in the US too and we have won this fight and have our rights. You will NEVER change gay people. You are wasting your breath

          • roger

            Let me be as clear as I can, I do no hate you. I respect all people and do not discriminate as sin is sin. What you have to remember is that God has already spoken on this issue and you might as well as say God is a God of hate because He does not agree with you. I will pray for you. Soften your heart and follow the only true God. I know you said you go to a gay church, but what you have done is found in 2 Timothy 4:3-4 (NASB)
            3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but wanting to have their ears tickled, they will accumulate for themselves teachers in accordance to their own desires, 4 and will turn away their ears from the truth and will turn aside to myths.
            You have found a church that is tickling your ears. You have turned aside to myths.

          • Robby Clewley

            We will just have to disagree as I will continue to worship Jesus Christ , the God of mercy and acceptance and I will continue to live my life the best ways I know how to and be with whomever I love and you will continue having your views. I disagree with you but hey … it is what it is.

          • roger

            I think you are forgetting that Jesus Christ also is a God of justice. Just go back and read that Old Testament and see how God treated the nation of Israel. That nation was a shadow of the church. They were God’s chosen people and today the church is Gods chosen people. Romans 11:17-18 (NASB)
            17 But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, 18 do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, remember that it is not you who supports the root, but the root supports you.

            So Israel was cut of and the Gentiles were grafted in. That is God’s justice. We do have to obey what Jesus has said in His book. Remember what Jesus said in Matthew 7:21-23 (NASB)
            21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
            have a good day.

          • Robby Clewley

            You are wrong again but yeah you have a good day too.

          • roger

            Once again remember that it is you who said “you hate me.” I have never said that. Please reconsider what Jesus said in how He wants you to live. The only place we KNOW what Jesus said is from his word. God is no respecter of persons and so His law is for us. Not to pick and choose, but to accept and live by.

          • Robby Clewley

            Like i said , we disagree but I know Jesus and know where I am going.

          • roger

            That same Bible that says where we go after we die is the same Bible that says where we go if we live a certain way. Listen to wisdom; 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NASB)
            9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

          • Robby Clewley

            again , this is 2014 not 2000 years ago. I am going to Heaven and thats final. I hear God and he tells me so … you are not in my heart so you dont know what god says to me.

          • roger

            You do realize that morality does not change????

          • Robby Clewley

            Being gay is NOT a sin. I know you think it is but its not. Anyway , we in the LGBTQ community will not go away and gay marriage is here to stay so you might as well just accept it and move on.

          • roger

            The only place you know and that we know about heaven is from the Bible. You keep saying the bible is outdated, but if it is what parts? What about that part that says who goes to heaven? That same part in God’s word that says to love your neighbor is the same part that says homosexual behavior is sinful and you are deceiving yourself if you live that way.

          • Robby Clewley

            we all go to heaven if we love jesus and believe he died for our sins

          • roger

            Now when did Jesus ever say that? Matthew 7:21-27 (NASB)
            21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’

            Now what Jesus is going to do is explain what He meant. Listen to the words of wisdom:
            24 “Therefore everyone who hears these words of Mine and acts on them, may be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 “And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. 26 “Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 “The rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell—and great was its fall.”

          • Robby Clewley

            it says if you believe jesus is your lord and savior and he died for your sins you are saved and go to heaven

          • roger

            But it also says all of this:

            Luke 13:3 (NASB)
            3 “I tell you, no, but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.

            Matthew 10:32-33 (NASB)
            32 “Therefore everyone who confesses Me before men, I will also confess him before My Father who is in heaven. 33 “But whoever denies Me before men, I will also deny him before My Father who is in heaven.

            Mark 16:16 (NASB)
            16 “He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned.

            Revelation 2:10 (NASB)
            10 “. . . Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of life.”
            You cannot pick and choose. With God it is all or nothing!

          • Robby Clewley

            You quote the bible cause you cant think for yourself. if you truly listened to your heart you would see that being gay isnt a sin and people should be free to love whom they want .

          • roger

            Psalm 119:103-106 (NASB)
            103 How sweet are Your words to my taste! Yes, sweeter than honey to my mouth! 104 From Your precepts I get understanding; Therefore I hate every false way. 105 Your word is a lamp to my feet And a light to my path. 106 I have sworn and I will confirm it, That I will keep Your righteous ordinances.
            Thank you for understanding that Jesus is all the world to me and how I am only using His words in this sinful generation.

          • Robby Clewley

            hiding behind the bible , you remind me of suicide bombers , hating in the name of God .. its sickening .

          • roger

            Isaiah 5:20 (NASB)
            20 Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter!

            Proverbs 14:12 (NASB)
            12 There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.

          • Robby Clewley

            wrong again sorry.

          • http://www.rlbm.org Robert L. Bufkin

            NO because God know in advance…ESAU loved the world and flesh and not the things of the Lord …as his mother tried to teach him. HE REJECTED the truth himself-HE places a value on his father and Grand-father Abraham when he said.. WHAT GOOD IS IT TO ME.. What good is it…. what good is it..to be the biological GRAND son of ABRAHAM… THAT is why he was rejected. FOR HE FIRST REJECTED HIS OWN FATHER AND GOD’S teachings.

          • Robby Clewley

            So when you make love to your wife/husband do you enjoy that sin ?

          • canucklehead

            Sin is a religious concept separate from morality. As a non-religious person, sin has nothing to do with me. Morality does. There is nothing immoral about loving someone of the same gender. There is nothing immoral about having sex, period. If your religion dictates otherwise, then YOU abide by your beliefs but stay out of my life.

          • http://www.rlbm.org Robert L. Bufkin

            THE names you are called ..originated in the Bible…with the creator GOD ..and the worldly wisdom you spoke of.. MEDICAL SCIENCE says is a suicide spirit for you will die an early and painful death due to that life style.. GOD loves you enough to warn you and tell you go to A Pentecostal type church and have the lust demon cast out..then you can join the LARGE and growing number of ex homosexuals.. FORMER HOMOSEXSUALS.. look up a group of them and ask them for yourself.. do your own research.
            WHERE is your Father?

          • Sientje Seinen

            hey what is wrong with you, I am not a homosexual, cant you tell the difference? I am already past three score and ten years old, so what the heck are you talking about. dont like pentecostal churches, if they are anything like you, I am not a homosexual, it isnt a matter of God loving homosexuals it, is matter of homosexuals mocking Christ suffering on calvary and not repenting of their perverted sex. I pray that the Lord will give you discerning spirit so you can tell who is speaking truth and who is ensnared by satan.

          • darryl

            That couple should simply find a bakery that Will cater to them

          • Sientje Seinen

            maybe they should bake their own cake

          • Robby Clewley

            Its discrimination , even here in the US. How do you sleep at night?

          • Sientje Seinen

            why dont you set up your bakery shops? It isnt discrimination as you are foisting your perverted sexual beliefs on those of us who think it is unnatural and have descended to animal level.

          • Robby Clewley

            Its not perverted to LOVE someone . Its not unnatural. Laws are created to PROTECT people being discriminated against.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lol I sleep fine how do you sleep at night knowing you have chosen to eat the bad fruit, instead of giving your life over to the Lord Christ Jesus, whom alone can cleanse your heart of evil desires.

          • canucklehead

            In your opinion.

          • Robby Clewley

            No , its discrimination

          • Sientje Seinen

            it isnt you are foisting your beliefs of homosexuality on others, whom do not believe as you do. and the Lord tells you “not to insist on your own way”
            so you are not a christian so why bother with christian shops unless it is to make trouble?

          • canucklehead

            They shouldn’t have to, just as an inter-ethnic couple should have to go elsewhere if they are denied service.

          • Spotted Feather

            So, it’s alright to be forced to do something that you know is wrong and GOD SAYS, multiple times by the way, is wrong ?

          • Robby Clewley

            It is NOT wrong. The bible is not all right , some lies in there and this is one of them. You have no right to speak against gay people . It does not affect your life at all what gay people do.

          • NinjaQuick

            Except people have the right for free speech. When did that right get lost?

            It affects everyone’s lives. Nothing you do, in secret or in public, happens without affecting everyone around you. What kool-aid has society fed you that you honestly believe people can do whatever they want and not impact the lives of others?

          • canucklehead

            That right doesn’t apply to hate speech and it is unfortunate that laws are needed to control it. Hate inspires hate in return.

          • Spotted Feather

            What lies are in the bible ? You have no right to just say something like that. If you say something is or isn’t, then you have to back it up. If you don’t or can’t, you have no right to say anything about it. I never once spoke against gay PEOPLE. I speak, just as GOD has, against gay sin.

          • Robby Clewley

            ok ill bite, if two gay people are married then its not sin right ? since its not sex outside of marriage .

          • Spotted Feather

            I know you’re being a troll, but I’ll bite. No. Nothing you just said is correct. If a behaviour is wrong, then anything associated with that behaviour is also wrong. If being gay is wrong, then gay marriage is also wrong.

          • Robby Clewley

            Im not being a troll.. just sharing my views like you are sharing your views. Oh did you see SEVEN more states legalized gay marriage today :) You may think its wrong BUT the majority of Americans and Canadians think it is not wrong. Your war on homosexuality is losing … sorry.

          • Spotted Feather

            The majority do NOT think it’s alright. Just the majority of people that voted on it.

          • Robby Clewley

            The SCOTUS does and there was an article today that said that 57% of the American people SUPPORT gay marriage. Sorry but by the end of 2015 it will be legal in ALL 50 states. Its legal in 31 states and DC now.

          • Sientje Seinen

            until God sents his plagues as He will not be mocked or He will withdraw His blessings from America and Hide His face from this sodomy. as He did at sandy Hook school.

          • Sientje Seinen

            I am a canadian and I believe it is a grave sin, throwing society into chaos and our Lord God is a God of order not chaos and people descending down to animal levels, as we are not created as animals. as animals cannot reason, read or understand laws. if you wish to be come animalistic in nature then go live among those that are animals.

          • canucklehead

            Except you’re talking about right and wrong as dictated by a religion that not everyone follows. So while gay marriage may be wrong according to YOUR beliefs and religion, it is not considered wrong by the secular country in which you live. Keep your religion out of the lives of others.

          • Spotted Feather

            A religion that not everyone follows ? So, not everyone is in Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Catholics, Mormonism, Ba’hai, Hinduism, Buddhism, Jainism, Sikhism, Taoism, or Wicca ?

            Seems really odd that the EXTREME minority wants to dictate the rules/laws for the entire group.

          • canucklehead

            I’m not exactly sure what your comment has to do with the argument, which is that nobody has the right to impose his or her beliefs on others, no matter how many other people agree with you. Additionally, in this country (Canada), religious or not, a majority support gay marriage (which has existed for almost a decade). Finally, it’s not discrimination against someone’s beliefs when you tell them they can’t discriminate against someone else’s beliefs. Nobody is saying you can’t have your beliefs. Canadian LAWS say you can’t hatefully push those beliefs onto others.

            Live and let live.

          • Sientje Seinen

            so why are you imposing sexual orientation on our kids or young adults as the kids got along just fine without this garbage in the schools?

          • canucklehead

            Ummm. I believe that’s what YOU”RE doing. I mean, you insist everyone be heterosexual and pretend homosexuality is somehow immoral (it isn’t). I want kids grow to be who they are and to be adults who are free to love who they choose. You on the other hand promote the idea that your concept of love is the only correct one. If that’s not ignorance, I don’t know what is.

            Now, to requote your bible, “”I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent.” Timothy 2:12

            Take a hint.

          • Sientje Seinen

            oh boy so if your kids grow up wanting to be thieves you arent going to correct that, so you are going to let them run wild that is your idea of Christianity, and to lust after strange flesh isnt love it perversion. you are the one foisting your idea of what is love on children. Christ tells us “No greater love has he than he who lays down his life for his friends.:” So unless you are willing to die for drunkards, prostitutes, homosexuals, thieves robbers, your love is pale in comparison to Christ who laid down His life for sinners like you and me. and take a hint this is a forum not a church, you dummy and pray tell me which are you the woman or the man in a sexual relationship?

          • Sientje Seinen

            God does not lie, now you are blaspheming the word of God, do not know that if you add or subtract from the Holy scriptures Gods wrath will rest on you? revelation 22 18-19

          • Robby Clewley

            God doesnt lie but hateful so called Christians like you do to further your agenda.

          • canucklehead

            It would only be blasphemy if one believes in your god. For everyone else, we don’t care and the words we say are what we consider sanity.

          • Sientje Seinen

            still your life will come to an end and you will have to give an account of yourself, it is stored away, as nothing happens without the Lord knowing. so dont think you are smart as your life if only a vapor here today and gone tomorrow

          • canucklehead

            Says you and your religion. Has nothing to do with me, no matter what you say. By the way, it’s more important to be a good person that to believe in the words written in a book. Being Christian doesn’t make you a good person. Being a good person is what makes you a good person. Promote love, not hate. Accept, don’t judge. Even your Bible teaches that.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lolol why dont you accept Christ as your lord and saviour? Isnt that the message of salvation. i;.e “If you do not believe I am “He” you will die in your sins.” eternally seperated from the Lord God, as “No eye has seen nor ear has heard what good the Lord has laid up for those who love Him” so accept the Lord in your heart repent from your sins, and experience the love and grace of our Lord and saviour Christ Jesus. that is what is love and acceptance, not your garbage which satan tries to foist on us who know that Christ has defeated satan at Calvary.by the way being a good person in what respect? as the way to hell is paved with good intentions.”

          • canucklehead

            lolol… now I KNOW you’re just trolling! Nice work though. You got me. Just for that: “I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man, she must be silent.” Timothy 2:12

          • Sientje Seinen

            since when is this a church I thought I was replying to your pope’s arrogant remarks on a forum. Am I speaking from a pulpit, I will have you know I am at home, and since we do have freedom of speech which you homosexuals try to restrict, you are not very smart, for you reap what you sow.

          • canucklehead

            Blah blah, god, blah, church, blah, blah. None of it is supported by facts or proof, yet you keep “blah, blah, blah.”

          • Sientje Seinen

            lots of proof with your lies saying you dont hate, as your heart is full of hate towards those who oppose you lusting after the same gender, sueing those who do oppose you and foisting your strange perversion on us

          • canucklehead

            LOL! Someone is forcing you to have homosexual relations? And your beliefs don’t apply to those who don’t believe what you do.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you indoctrinate our children with sexual orientation within the school,s but homosexuals will not have the last word as it is the Lord whom rules the nations, and where will you hide from His wrath which will surely come upon America

          • Tim Seals

            ridiculous.

          • Robby Clewley

            I know right , these people are insane

          • janmit63

            No you should not be sued for standing up for rights. This is not a civil matter its a moral matter. It’s not love it’s lust.

          • Robby Clewley

            It is love . rights are ALL people being given the freedom to marry. Thank God that we now have those rights.

          • janmit63

            No it’s not it’s lust. And they are not truly married. God does not approve of this & never will so stop blaspheming Him

          • Robby Clewley

            Yes the law says they are married , in fact me in my boyfriend will marry next month in a Christian church. In gay marriages couples do the same things straight couples do so how is that lust ?

          • janmit63

            I don’t care what mans law says Gods law says they are not. That is not a Christian Church & everyone in that Church should demand the fake pastor be removed from the pulpit. I would never attend a so called church that would allow this because it’s of the devil. No they do not there is not 1 thing moral about a man sticking his junk up another mans behind.

          • Robby Clewley

            everyone in the church is either gay , bi or supports LGBT people. There are many gay churches across the nation. Its not of the devil, we preach love and tolerance for EVERYONE> It is the law of the land .. awe you mad bro ? :) There isnt anything moral about you sticking your junk up a womans behind but you do it . You are a SICK individual but you are the minority thank God.

          • janmit63

            Just because they claim to be churches don’t mean they are. There is no such thing as a gay Christian & these gay churches are preaching false doctrine. Yes it is of the devil, you can preach love & tolerance all you want but unless you preach the Cross it’s not going to get you any where. Homosexuality is a sinful life style choice & if you continue to live in sin you will not enter His Kingdom. Christians do not follow the law of the land when it goes against Gods laws. ROFL I happen to be a woman & my husband does not stick his manly bits up my behind. Oh I am the sick one I am not the one performing immoral; acts on a ss person. Nope true Christians are the majority Praise the Lord.

          • Robby Clewley

            You look like a man , actually I thought you were a lesbian from your photos. My bad lol.

          • janmit63

            That happens to be 1 of my pastors who just passed away a few days ago & I have his photo there in tribute to him. Don’t assume everyone uses their own photo’s all the time. I usually have a deer head there.

          • Robby Clewley

            Plus you are one to talk about morality. you have a pic of little girls in bathing suits on your profile .

          • janmit63

            No I do not so stop lying. My FB profile is set to private so do not even go there.

          • Robby Clewley

            I was already there and you are strange lol

          • janmit63

            Already where?

          • Robby Clewley

            Your FB page

          • janmit63

            And you saw nothing because my FB page is set for friends only.

          • Robby Clewley

            I saw some stuff but nothing exciting

          • janmit63

            You saw nothing because unless you are a friend of mine you can’t see any thing so stop lying as you are not on my friends list. I did go to yours & you really should set your profile to friends only.

          • Robby Clewley

            lol ok

          • janmit63

            Ok prove it post 1 thing you saw on my profile.

          • Robby Clewley

            Little girls in bathing suits , you sicko . Plus some pastor pic

          • janmit63

            You are such a liar I have not posted any photos of any little girls in bathing suites, prove it post the link, if you really think you are going to slander me think again. That pastor pic is my cover photo & mu FB profile photo it’s of 1 of my pastors who just passed away & I placed him there in memory of him, so every one can see it.

          • Robby Clewley

            Its there , not a liar . How can I prove it , its on your page . Anyway you are the sick one .

          • janmit63

            No it’s not. Yes you can go to the photo you are claiming is there & click in it then copy the url from the top of the page. You do know how to do that at least I am sure. No I am not the sick one because I am not on here advocating a man sticking his junk up another mans behind.

          • Robby Clewley

            Im not getting in trouble for questionable pics you posted

          • janmit63

            Ok then pm me the link.

          • Robby Clewley

            no , i know what i saw . you are the sick one lady .

          • janmit63

            Then prove it pm me the link you can’t get into trouble for that on here if it’s private. You are a joke if you can’t even do that & it proves you are a liar.

          • Robby Clewley

            Im not a liar , its on YOUR FB page . go look . its a bunch of young girls in bathing suits

          • janmit63

            I did look you liar & there is nothing like that on my FB profile. So either pm me the link or shut up because you just proved you are slandering me & I can sue you for that.

          • Robby Clewley

            you cant sue me lol. I could sue you for calling being gay an abonination. You have called me names for being gay and i could sue you. but this is the internet . its only slander if you tell other people untrue things , im just telling you that you are a sicko . You dont know the law do you lol. You have the brain of a five year old lmao. Here is a solution. take your gay hate and stop writing me psycho

          • janmit63

            ROFL now i know what you are talking about that’s from a FB app called Photo Love & I would hardly call them little girls. You are such a joke… (https://apps.facebook.com/photo_love/dailypic?imgId=192438&ref=dailypicblast). I think you need to have your eyes checked if you think those are little girls. And no you can’t sue me for telling the truth. And just what names pray tell have i called you. looks to me like your the one doing the name calling here. No You are the sicko who loves to advocate for any man sticking his manly bits up another mans behind . You are a sick, evil person, go seek the Lord as you need him badly.

          • Robby Clewley

            Im sick ? lol. look in the mirror FAKE Christian ., I love God and love everyone but you mam are the enemy , you are trying to take gay rights away and it wont happen. Go take your meds .. you are one crazy woman that needs help soon. gay marriage is here to stay and nothing you say will change that :) I see what you are , a fake homophobic Christian .

          • janmit63

            Oh I am not a fake Christian but you sure are. God love you also, but if you are living this sinful lifestyle choice them He is not pleased with you because you are not listening to His words. Gays have the same rights as everyone else & that’s to marry anyone of the opposite sex they so choose, any thing else is asking for special rights. FYI the only meds i take are for blood pressure so you just lost that one too. No you are the one who needs help. I don’t believe so called gay marriage is here to stay. I see what you are a person who has nothing.

          • Robby Clewley

            it says whoops and is a photo you shared from photo love

          • janmit63

            Boy are you blind or what?, That is not little girls & if you think they are then you need glasses… https://apps.facebook.com/photo_love/dailypic?imgId=192438&ref=dailypicblast

          • Robby Clewley

            please get help . Your hate for gay people seems to occupy your every thought. How sad your life must be .

          • janmit63

            Stop putting words in my mouth, because I never once said I hate gay people but I did say I hate their sinful liofe style choice & if you think that is saying i hate gays then you need your head examined. No it don’t my mind is occupied with God & His word. My life is wonderful, I have God & a wonderful loving family.

          • Robby Clewley

            then you dont need to comment on these articles. same sex marriage does not affect your life. Just live your life and let us live ours and yes gay marriage is here to stay . the supreme court said so. that is what equality is . its NOT a sin , no matter what you think. yes you are a fake christian cause real christians dont judge who people love.

          • janmit63

            Yes nit does because they want the right to marry & they have no right to that right because that belongs to God 7 He says marriage is between 1 man & 1 woman. Don’t be too sure of that. The supreme court is full of corrupt judges that need to be removed from the bench because they have proved they are corrupt. It is a sin, so you might as well get over it. And no I am the real deal when it comes to being a Christian & I am not judging them God already did that I am just spreading His words about it. Its not love it’s lust.

          • Robby Clewley

            Its a right and its not going away and its not a sin. That part of the bible is wrong. You lose :) Gay marriage and gay people are here to stay. even our Christian president supports it. God says marriage is between two people that love each other.

          • janmit63

            No it’s special rights & it can go away & yes it is a sin you better go reread your Bible. No it’s not wrong you are wrong because you are now trying to claim that God is wrong. The idiot in the White house is not a Christian he is a muslim. Be careful he might chop off your head for being gay (that is if you are) No God says marriage is between 1 man & 1 woman you just committed another sin by adding words away from the Bible.

          • Robby Clewley

            its not special rights. if straight people can marry then gay people can too. its called EQUALITY and you are just crying cause you cant change the laws. Obama is a great president , oh so you are racist too ? He is pro gay and is a good man. Your mormon LOST. Being gay is accepted by God. Thats the truth. Your words mean nothing. Its true, god accepts me for being bisexual and all gay people.

          • janmit63

            Yes it is special rights. Yes straight people can marry because that’s the right God gave us all. It’s not equality it’s special rights. And yes Christians can change the law’s. obama is the worst president in the whole history of the United States. He has done nothing but bring this country to ruin. and stop playing the race card because FYI I happened to of voted for him the 1st time around, but wised up the second time around. He is pro abortion too are you for that also &he is a lost man & needs to be impeached & hopefully he will be come Nov. I am not a mormon. I am a Blood Bought Pentecostal Christian. No being gay is not accepted by God (Romans Chapter 1:24- 32 24 Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own
            hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
            25 Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
            26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women
            did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
            27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
            28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
            29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
            30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
            31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
            32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.) These are not my words they are Gods words. No he does not.

          • Robby Clewley

            well it doesnt matter what YOU think about gay marriage ., its legal and I couldnt be happier and Obama has been president for six years and that makes me very happy as well .. so as you can imagine . I am happy and love my creator jesus christ and life is good . :)

          • janmit63

            Oh I know you do not care what i think but remember this you will suffer His wrath when you go before Him for living in sin. Ok so if obama is so great tell me just 1 thing to improve this country. And God loves you too but he does not love that your living in sin.

          • Robby Clewley

            not living in sin. no more than anyone else. you sin too ya know . but being gay or bi isnt a sin, i will never believe that it is. i go to church, i help others . I k now i am going to heaven. Obama has helped gay people , put in obamacare , repealed dont ask dont tell , put in lots of social programs , created jobs and much more. Obama is the best , voted for him twice and would again if i could.

          • janmit63

            Yes you are living in sin. I never claimed i did not sin but i am not living in the one sin I used to have & that was cussing. I could cuss any sailor under the table, but i asked god to remove that desire to do that sin from me & guess what he did. Yes being gay or bi is a sin, then you have been turned over to your reprobate mind & I pity you. Just because you go to Church & help others is not going to get you into heaven. Yes obama has helped gay people him big mistake, that’s aiding sin not good for him, obamacare is a joke & nobody really wants it & can’t afford it or keep their own Dr thats why a lot of Dr’s. are not accepting it & lowering their prices & accepting cash only, obamacare can be repealed. What social programs, what jobs? obama is the worst thing to happen to this country & the sooner he is out of the White house the better. You would voter for a dictator, oh wait you don’t have to vote for a dictator.

          • Robby Clewley

            nope not living in sin , sorry you are wrong. as far as obama goes he is for equal rights. its shameful you are against ppl having equal rights. im just glad you are the minority . gay marriage is legal. get over it.

          • janmit63

            yup you are living in sin, so sorry but you are wrong show me 1 place in the Bible where God clearly says it’s not. You aalready do have equal rights you can marry anyone of the opposite sex you want, but when you want to marry the same sex then you are wanting special rights. I know he is & that’s 1 of the reasons of many that he needs to be impeached. Christians are the majority. And it’s only legal for the moment & can be repealed
            .

          • Robby Clewley

            Not all of the bible was written bu God . Most of it is true but the anti gay parts were created by the opinionated men who didnt like gay people. Just like the apostles who threw Jesus under the bus , their words cant be trusted. God is about LOVE and he accepts and loves everyone. Its not a sin PERIOD . No I dont want special rights. Its equal rights. You really are not that bright are you ?>

          • janmit63

            The whole Bible was written by men, but the words are Gods. no it was not written by men who hated gays, stop falling for the lies the big government is brainwashing you with. I never said God wasn’t about love but you people seem to think that’s there was to God & it wasn’t. God did get angry as did Jesus. (http://www.gty.org/blog/B130912/was-jesus-always-nice) (http://themattwalshblog.com/2014/04/07/jesus-didnt-care-about-being-nice-or-tolerant-and-neither-should-you/) (http://afa.net/the-stand/the-culture-war/jesus-was-not-a-wimp/) He does love you but He WILL NOT accept your sins. Yes it is a sin so you might as well fact that fact. It’s not equal rights it’s special rights so you might as well face that fact also. Oh I am very bright.

          • Robby Clewley

            Bottom line , being gay isnt a sin and is ok. God accepts us .

          • janmit63

            Bottom line homosexuality is a sin & it’s not ok if ti was you wouldb e able to provide any where in the Bible where it is ok. God does not accept those living in the sin of homosexuality.

          • Robby Clewley

            Wrong again. The conservative so called Christian crowd like you thinks that but its wrong. Sorry to break it to ya .

          • janmit63

            And the kool aid drinking liberal sheeple crowed like you thinks its right, but you are wrong so get over it.

          • Robby Clewley

            I am right , we are on the right side here and you lose. By the way .. the SCOTUS wont repeal gay marriage rulings , they said they wont hear any appeals by the states . So cant be repealed. Gay marriage is here forever . Get used to it.

          • janmit63

            No you are not right in fact you don’t even know anything about the government. The SCOTUS does not have the last say in this. Here read this the SCOTUS is suppose to interpret laws according to the Constitution which they have clearly failed to do big time so they are failures in their judgement. They can be recused from the bench, so yes it can be repealed. so get used to it because when we get the republicans back in the Senate we will clean house.

          • Robby Clewley

            No you are wrong again and no you are not bright at all lol. The SCOTUS always has the final say and you will never see a republican in the White House again. Hillary is next for eight years.

          • janmit63

            Nope you are wrong & not to intelligent. The SCOTUS does not have
            the final say they are on the bottom of the three branches of government. Take a history lesson please…(http://www.trumanlibrary.org/whistlestop/teacher_lessons/3branches/1.htm). The President of the United States administers the Executive Branch of our government. He enforces the laws that the Legislative Branch (Congress) makes. Congress is suppose to make the laws according to God’s laws.
            The Judicial part of our federal government includes the Supreme Court and 9 Justices.
            They are special judges who interpret laws according to the
            Constitution. These justices only hear cases that pertain to issues related to the Constitution. They are the highest court in our country. (They refused to hear these cases that makes them derelict in their duties according to the Constitution)
            The federal judicial system also has lower courts located in each state to hear cases involving federal issues. Hillary ROFL excuse me I just spit pop out my nose from laughing so hard, she has no chance, she has the blood of those mean in Benghazi on her hands she is a joke. we will have a Republican in our White house once again because even Democrates are wising up & voting Republican especially the African American’s because they are getting the shaft from obama & the Democrates.

          • Robby Clewley

            Hillary will win , benghazi is old news. Yes the SCOTUS has the final say on this issue. No other entity can rule. People cant vote on it. Its law and not going anywhere , just like other great laws like abortion and affirmative action. You are very racist , very homophobic and very insane. Not to mention being a fake Christian . wow , just wow. You must love Google since thats where you get all your knowledge .

          • janmit63

            killary will not win unless they fix the election again like they did the last time. Everyone should have to show proof of citizenship & a voters id card. No the SCOTUS does not have the last say, you really do not know any thing about the government because you have been to brainwashed by it. Oh yes they can repeal it, And people have voted on it & did not want it & the CORRUPT SCOTUS stuck their nose in where it does not belong. Oh I should have known you were for killing innocent babies you are a sick evil person. I am far from a raciest but what would I expect from a liberal you are in need of help to want to kill an innocent baby. And I am far from a fake Christian. No I do not get all my info from Google Ii happen to have a lot of great history book’s I just Googled that because it was more handy You are of your father the devil & I am wiping my feet of you. Do not bother to reply back because i am done with you go talk to your father the devil.

          • Robby Clewley

            LOL , Ok bigot. yay gay marriage is winning. we win , thats all i have to say and being gay isnt a sin. BYE lol

          • janmit63

            You are a bigot & an ABOMINATION & of your father the devil you won nothing because in the end God will have the last word. Being gay is AN ABOMINATION. BYE ABOMINATION

          • Robby Clewley

            Nope, being gay is equal to being straight. its 100 percent normal.

          • janmit63

            Nope no it’s not equal to being straight. & it’s 200% abnormal

          • Robby Clewley

            WRONG

          • janmit63

            I AM 400% CORRECT & YOU’RE 400% INCORRECT.

          • Robby Clewley

            nope, im never wrong :) You seem to have quite the reputation around the internet of a crusader against gay people. its quite pathetic actually

          • janmit63

            Nope you are always wrong. The only thing I am doing is crusading for Christ & spreading Gods words which you seem to not know.

          • Robby Clewley

            No, you are spreading hate and YOU should be ashamed of yourself for judging others.

          • janmit63

            And just how is it spreading hate to tell someone that God loves them, but He hates their sin & they must repent? And I am not judging them I am telling them what God says so no I should not be ashamed. But you should be ashamed for bearing false witness against your neighbor & spreading lies about your neighbor.

          • Robby Clewley

            who did i spread lies about ? also nobody asked you to tell gay people that they are sinning. that is between them and god . their own relationship with god , not yours. its hate speech

          • janmit63

            You spread lies about me claiming I had a photo of little girls in bathing suites on my FB pager which was a lie as it’s a FB app & they were not little girl but women, you were trying to make me out to be some sort of pedophile, but I called you out on it, that makes you a liar & a bear of false witness of your neighbor, you better go ask God for forgiveness for that you sinner. God told us to (Mark 16:15 And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.) And no it’s not hate speech. You are such a sad soul to try to twist Gods word to push this homosexual agenda on others.

          • Robby Clewley

            Five words . BEING GAY ISN”T A SIN

          • janmit63

            Five words. “BEING GAY IS AN ABOMINATION”

          • Robby Clewley

            LOL. nope. its not. Have you made an appointment with a mental health professional yet ?

          • janmit63

            Lol yup it is. No I don';t need a shrink, but you clearly do as anyone who truly believes it moral & normal to stick his junk up another mans behind is clearly mental.

          • Robby Clewley

            he sticks it up mine , get your facts straight.

          • janmit63

            Don’t matter it’s still an ABOMINATION

          • Robby Clewley

            Nope it is not. explain , how two men having a relationship is different than a man and woman ? Both adults , its legal , it affects nobody else . So why do you people care ?

          • janmit63

            Yes it is. Because it’s not moral or normal & it’s not love it’s lust. It’s not legal in Gods eyes & that’s all that matters. Yes it does when you got corrupt judges like this calling it a hate crime, because that a hate crime to tell someone else speaking Gods words. I pray every true Christian in Canada stands up against this garbage.

          • Robby Clewley

            Let me ask you …. why do you do this ? What do you have to gain by condemning gay people other than building up your ego ? Its NONE of your business and you will never change any minds or laws.

          • janmit63

            Because God commands me as a Christian to go forth & spread His words. I am not condemning any one, I am simply tell others what God says what you must do to enter His Kingdom. How do you know it will not change someones mind or the laws? I believe it will.

          • Robby Clewley

            Only God can judge , when you do it and claim that God told you to thats just an excuse to be a hateful bigot. The laws will never change. Even some major republicans agree its a right to marry who you want, Believe me , gay marriage is here to stay and I couldnt be happier. Need some tissues ?

          • janmit63

            No its not being hateful or being a bigot. God clearly says that homosexuality is an abomination & if you refuse to accept that then that’s your problem & you will have to answer for it come judgement day not me. Oh they can changer & most likely will once we get the right people in & vote out those who support this garbage. So what are you going to do when that happens?

          • Robby Clewley

            Of course it is , you are a homophobe and intolerant of others. You are quite sad actually. You can say the laws will change all you want but the SCOTUS has to overturn their rulings and they already said they will not.

          • janmit63

            No it is not we have been very tolerant of you people. And you are a bigot & hypocrite because you claim to Be a Christian but are also bi which you know is living a lie. The SCOTUS does not run this country & they are guilty of treason & should all be thrown in prison for that. You seem to forget the most important thing about this country & that is that the government is to work for us not us for them & the SCOTUS is doing what ever they want & not the will of the people. So no they do not have the last word on this even though they & ignorant people such as yourself seem to think.

          • Robby Clewley

            Treason lol. You are INSANE

          • janmit63

            Yes treason as they are not following the Constitution of the United States. Nope you just do not know History very well.

          • Robby Clewley

            EQUALITY. What dont you get about that ?

          • janmit63

            SPECIAL RIGHTS. What don’t you get about that?

          • Robby Clewley

            How is it special rights that gay people have the same rights as EVERYONE else ?

          • janmit63

            Ok get this through your thick skull. GAYS ALREADY HAVE THE SAME RIGHTS AS EVERYONE ELSE & THAT’S TO MARRY ANYONE OF THE OPPOSITE SEX THEY SO CHOOSE. BUT WHEN YOU DEMAND TO MARRY SOME ONE OF THE SAME SEX THEN THAT’S ASKING FOR SPECIAL RIGHTS

          • Robby Clewley

            Now you are really sounding dumb. Why would someone who is not straight marry someone of the opposite sex ? What , just to suit your agenda against gay people. Gay marriage is legal and we can marry whoever we want . Call it special rights but the law is the law . Yeah you will say it will change … it never will. You better hope we dont lose marriage equality because if we do this country will be in chaos. we fought for our rights and have them so thats just the way it is .

          • janmit63

            Why because you choose to live in sin rather than in Gods word. We have no agenda but you gay people do have an agenda & thank God there are more people are now seeing it. And they are fed up with this &* are starting to speak out & I know we will all this change. Oh I don’t hope i pray you do lose it. You fought for special right & true you do have special right’s but i pray not for long. I also pray every judge will refuse to marry you.

          • Robby Clewley

            Good luck with that lol. Gay marriage has existed since 2004 when Massachusetts became the first state to legalize it. Six states in October legalized it. Does not look like the tide is shifting in your favor but keep dreaming lol.

          • janmit63

            keep watching it will.

          • Robby Clewley

            lol

          • janmit63

            I thought you were leaving to go report me.

          • Robby Clewley

            I did leave but keep getting notifications from “Christian” terrorists like yourself in my email so came back to see what you said. Dont worry the HRC will know all about you and the other extremists on this site that preach hate.

          • janmit63

            Christian terrorists now that’s funny. Oh no not the HRC, I better leave the country. You are such a joke, do you think I am afraid of them. Hey maybe I can report you to the AFA, ADF & FRC.

          • Robby Clewley

            what are those agencies you mentioned . made up BS sounds like.

          • janmit63

            Nope not fake at all, AFA- Alliance Defending Freedom, FRC-Family Research Council, AFA-American Family Association & oh I almost forgot NOM-National Organization for marriage. Look them up if you like.

          • Robby Clewley

            those are terrorists organizations , especially AFA … they have advocated that gay people should be killed. You support that ?

          • janmit63

            Oh come off it they did not. More lies really. You get creepier & creepier with every comment.

          • Robby Clewley

            yes they did. i just was on their website, these people are insane and should be shut down.

          • janmit63

            Proof or it did not happen.

          • Robby Clewley
          • janmit63

            ROFL yes right I think I will make a site that says I am Santa Claus.

          • Robby Clewley

            please read this …. i hope it helps you. if not PLEASE check into the nearest psych ward,

            http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/let-their-words-do-the-talking/201103/the-seven-stage-hate-model-the-psychopathology-hate

          • janmit63

            The only thing I will do with that is throw it in the trash where it belongs. Go visit your own psych ward I don’t need one, but you sure do.

          • Robby Clewley

            nope, im sane. see i actually believe in morals and equality and am not a hateful person like you

          • janmit63

            Nope anyone who actually thinks it’s ok for a man to stick their manly bits up another mans behind is totally insane & has no morals. Who’s being hateful I never said i hated anyone another reason you need a shrink.

          • Robby Clewley

            love making love making, love is love. God accepts this.

          • janmit63

            All you are having is male to male sex, which is not love but lust. And no God does not accept it He in fact He hates it thats why He calls it an ABOMINATION.

          • Robby Clewley

            The bible may have said some stuff against homosexuality (errors) but Jesus himself never condemned being gay . There is love and lust in heterosexual relationships just like gay ones. But being gay isnt a sin and you are wasting your breath cause you are nothing but a fraud and have been exposed.

          • janmit63

            So now you are saying God & Jesus are both liars, that’s blasphemy Shame on you. You are an evil person. I never said there wasn’t, but homosexuality is worse. Yes it is a sin & no I am not a fraud, but you sure are living in sin & proclaiming to be a Christian. you have been exposed you son of the devil.

          • Robby Clewley

            No thats not what I said , I said God and Jesus did not condemn homosexuality in the bible. Man put those versus in there to persecute gay people. God is about love and acceptance , not condemning people. Yes you are a fraud . I am the son of God , I am a Christian .. a liberal christian who believes God does not judge people for being who they were born as.. GAY. Why is homosexuality worse . How is gay sex a sin but straight sex not ?> Makes no sense , like you

          • janmit63

            Yes they did, You are very foolish the bible was written by man but it was from God Himself. People like you are fake Christians, because you are now questioning Gods words. Wrong again God is about love & yes he does accept those who do not sin, But you yourself said you are bi & that’s a sin & ye3s he does condemn those who live in sin.Yes you are a fraud. I am a daughter of God, I am a Christian you are not because there is no such thing as a bisexual Christian. You were not born gay & yes He will judge you. Because God said that sex is to be between 1 man & 1 woman. Makes perfect sense you just refuse to accept this fact.

          • Robby Clewley

            How do you know god said everything in the bible .. were you there 2000 years ago ? No proof that Jesus was against homosexuality. That is a dumb statement , there is no such thing as a Bisexual or gay christian. My sexuality has nothing to do with my love for God. Yes i was born this way , but you learned your hate . You should be on a hate group/persons watch list. You are dangerous and insane . You dont know my relationship with god so judge and hate all you want. God does not approve of your hate and bigotry. You are sick, just as bad as Tony Perkins , Tim Wildmon , etc. You LOST this fight . You belong in jail for hate crimes against gay people.

          • janmit63

            Because he told me He did.Yes there is read & learn (http://www.christianpost.com/news/did-jesus-say-anything-about-homosexuality-120501/). No it’s not a dumb statement because you are living in sin & God does not approve. No you were not born that way because God does not make mistakes & He would not make someone to be some thing He says is a sin. No I should not, you are just mad because you know very well I am speaking the truth. I am not any more dangerous than you are. And I am not judging you at all God already did that I am just telling you that He did already judge homosexuality You do know God says homosexuality is an ABOMINATION which means HATE, so God hates homosexuality, but He does love the sinner thats the good news, but he wants you to stop living in sin. and just what hate crimes have I committed. NONE.

          • janmit63

            Because he told me that”s how. Yes there is proof read & learn (http://www.christianpost.com/news/did-jesus-say-anything-about-homosexuality-120501/) No you were not born that way, because then you are in fact saying God makes mistakes, because there is no way God would make anyone to be some thing He says is an abomination which means hate. No I am no more dangerous than you are you are just mad because you can’t handle the truth. I am not judging you either God already did that I am simply telling you what he saids. so do pray tell just what hate crimes am I committing against gays by telling them the truth?

          • Robby Clewley

            you are wrong but no matter what I say you will use the bible to further your hate against gay people just like the terrorists use Allah as an excuse to blow up planes. You are no different. I will never believe being gay is a sin and I will continue to live my life and love God and be who I am and fight you people . Nothing more to say, you are wrong and I am right. Goodbye . You will find yourself on hate group lists very soon. BYE

          • janmit63

            No I am right & without the Bible you do not have the true word of God. I am not hating on any one, but you sure are. At least Christians will not cut your head off for being gay like muslims will. Keep on living in sin, but remember this you will have to answer to God for it. And let me tell you this if i find out you slandered me any where I will get me a lawyer & sue you for slander, so just remember that when you just try to put me on any hate list for being a Christian & showing you how wrong you are.

          • Robby Clewley

            whatever you say hateful bigot and you have spread dozens of comments of hate here so you cant sue me for putting you on a hate watch site cause its not slander. You are posting these hateful views on a PUBLIC forum so fair game . lol you didnt finish school did you.

          • janmit63

            Quoting Bible verses is not hate speech, You don’t like it then stay off a Christian website. And if you don’t like what God has to say about it then go take it up with Him. Face it you got nothing but the truth, which you would not know if it bit you in the behind. So go on & cry to your little human rights compagine buddies & cry me a river. I got some whine for your cheese.

          • Robby Clewley

            you are a but and cannot even spell. you for sure are not a Christian. Thats all

          • janmit63

            so I am a but that’s nice though I don’t know why some one would call me a but, but but lol. and what word did I misspell but

          • Robby Clewley

            and a nut .. you need help

          • janmit63

            Now that makes more sense, and i need to learn how to spell. I love walnuts. Nope don’t need help, just because you can’t accept the truth.

          • Robby Clewley

            I know the truth , I would love to chat more but they are having beer bust at the gay bar and Im gonna go laugh about you with some friends. Just know , being gay is not a sin and you will lose this battle.

          • janmit63

            No you don’t you only know your truth not Gods. Oh of course i should have known a drinker another sin. Just know being gay is a sin & you will lose this battle as God will have the last laugh.

          • Robby Clewley

            drinking isnt a sin, they give wine at church . many Christians drink. Being gay isnt a sin. YOu are very insane and need help. i will pray for you.

          • janmit63

            Yes it is a sin. Just because your so called Church uses wine for communion doesn’t mean it’s right. And just because other Christians drink does not make it right either. I just love ity every time someone disagrees with you liberals we are either hateful, bigots or insane. Get some help man. I will pray God opens your eyes to the truth.

          • Robby Clewley

            Its not a sin and you can call it a sin until you are blue in the face . It is not

          • janmit63

            It is a sin & you can say it’s bot till your blue in the face you are still wrong.

          • Robby Clewley

            Nope never wrong :)

          • janmit63

            Yup your always wrong.

          • Robby Clewley

            lol

          • Robby Clewley

            God does not laugh at his children , he loves us and accepts us all.

          • janmit63

            I never said God laughs at His children I said He will have the last laugh, you can’t even understand a little phrase like that, then i know you do not understand His word. He loves you, but He does not accept your sins.

          • Robby Clewley

            You are sick , get help

          • janmit63

            Lord are you back. I am far from sick but you sure are so go see that shrink you need it

          • Robby Clewley

            Nope I am the right one , I was hoping you would have come to your senses by now and come out of the closet but guess not

          • janmit63

            Nope I am the right one. I see you are still in denial. My senses are just fine I refused to be brainwashed like you.

          • Robby Clewley

            LMAO

          • janmit63

            Right back at ya.

          • Robby Clewley

            lol not at all :) no matter what you cant make gay people go away :)

          • janmit63

            ROFL & no matter what you say you can’t make true Christians go away

          • Robby Clewley

            Im not trying to. I am a Christian myself. JUst trying to get the hateful ones leave us alone

          • janmit63

            Yes you are. And you are no Christian because there is no such thing as a gay or bi Christian.

          • Robby Clewley

            Sexuality has nothing to do with loving God . Just go away you BIGOT

          • janmit63

            But homosexuality does & He clearly says it’s an abomination which means He hates it. Nope not going any where sinner.

          • Robby Clewley

            not a sin

          • janmit63

            Yup a sin

          • Robby Clewley

            Nope

          • janmit63

            YUP A SIN

          • Robby Clewley

            Again, Scripture does not forbid Christians from drinking beer, wine, or any other drink containing alcohol. Alcohol is not, in and of itself, tainted bysin. It is drunkenness and addiction to alcohol that a Christian must absolutely refrain from (Ephesians 5:18; 1 Corinthians 6:12).

          • janmit63

            Again yes it does. you lose.

          • Robby Clewley

            Nope, its none of your business you are love and I am glad the law agrees. :)

          • janmit63

            Yes it is my business when my right to free speech is being violated it’s not hate crime. If they had said say (all gays should be killed) then yes that’s a hate crime. But to speak what the Bible says is not a hate crime & the laws is corrupt.

          • Robby Clewley

            Yes its a hate crime . The bible is a great book but the parts where it says being gay is wrong are errors that need to be corrected . It is NONE of your business what gay people do so mind your own business and live YOUR life . Stop being such a hateful bigot , cause guess what ? That will keep you out of Heaven

          • janmit63

            No it’s not a hate crime. it’s only a hate crime to ignorant fools like you. No they are not errors & do not need to be corrected you need to stop being in denial. It is when there are ignorant people like you & these judges running around who are a danger to society. Stop living in sin because you will not be entering His Kingdom, sad I will not see you there.

          • Robby Clewley

            LOL. Ok whatever bigot

          • Robby Clewley

            you dont know what you are talking about. You are a hate monger

          • janmit63

            Yes I do & no I am not.

          • Robby Clewley

            Of course you preach hate . You are against gay people having their rights . Leave them alone , has nothing to do with you.

          • janmit63

            Nope not hate speech. Gay people already have the same rights as everyone else to marry anyone of the opposite sex they so choose, any thing else is special rights. Then they need to stay out of the Churches business.

          • Robby Clewley

            You are dumb lol

          • janmit63

            Nope. You are ignorant.

          • Robby Clewley

            Because I am for equality I am ignorant ? we dont tell you people what to do so dont tell us what we can do. My boyfriend and I are getting a good laugh at you but you suggested we invite you to our wedding. Would you like to come ?

          • janmit63

            No your ignorant because you don’t know what God says. You people don’t tell us what to do. That’s a lie. No i don’t want to come to you fake wedding. My family is feeling very sad for you we know you are going to hell.

          • Robby Clewley

            I feel sad for you , that you have such hate in your heart

          • janmit63

            Nope no hate in my heart, but I do feel sad for you that you can not accept the truth.

          • Robby Clewley

            The truth is relative . To each their own as they say. You have your way , i have mine . live and let be

          • janmit63

            The truth will set you free if you only accept it.

          • Robby Clewley

            You are the one in denial

          • janmit63

            No I am not you are but are just to bull headed to admit it.

          • Robby Clewley

            i know the truth dont worry

          • janmit63

            I am afraid you don’t, as you are in denial

          • Robby Clewley

            Never :)

          • janmit63

            You don’t know the truth & you are in denial. You are just to bull headed to admit it.

          • Robby Clewley

            Good luck with that lol. Gay marriage has existed since 2004 when Massachusetts became the first state to legalize it. Six states in October legalized it. Does not look like the tide is shifting in your favor but keep dreaming lol.

          • Robby Clewley
          • janmit63

            Really that’s all you got an article from 2013, you do realize that the senate can overturn any thing the corrupt SCOTUS does with just 1 bill.

          • Robby Clewley

            Not without presidents approval. Believe me if gay marriage was overturned you would see the biggest riots in US history. You ARE a bigot and God didnt ask you to be his messenger . He speaks to each of us through our own souls. You cant tell me that I am a sinner or going to hell cause its my life and my relationship with God, has NOTHING to do with you.

          • janmit63

            The president is to be working for the people & obama is not doing what he is suppose to be doing & he has over stepped his bounds with all his unlawful Executive orders he has passed without the approval of congress which he can not do. The gays will do any thing to get their way & the world does not revolve around them. Nope no bigotry here & yes God did as we are to go out & preach His word, you do not know the Bible very well do you? Oh yes I can because you are living in sin & living a lie. ((Levi 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind (MAN), as with womankind
            (WOMAN) (HOMOSEXUALITY): it is abomination (MEANS-HATE), Levi 20:13 If a
            man also lie with mankind (MAN), as he lieth with a woman, both of them
            have committed an abomination (HOMOSEXUALITY): they shall surely be put
            to death; their blood shall be upon them. 1 Cor 6:9-10 9 Know ye not
            that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not
            deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,(HOMOSEXUALITY)

            10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor
            extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. 1 Cor 7:2 Nevertheless,
            to avoid fornication, let every man have his own wife (WOMAN), and let
            every woman have her own husband (MAN). Romans 1:26 For this cause God
            gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the
            natural use into that which is against nature (HOMOSEXUALITY):
            27
            And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned
            in their lust one toward another (HOMOSEXUALITY); men with men
            (HOMOSEXUALITY) working that which is unseemly, and receiving in
            themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
            28 And
            even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave
            them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not
            convenient. 1 Tim 1:10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves
            with mankind (HOMOSEXUALITY), for menstealers, for liars, for perjured
            persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound
            doctrine.)

          • Robby Clewley

            You are to go out and preach his word of LOVE not the hate you do. You are sad and pathetic. i feel sorry for you and you are not a christian. you are truly evil.

          • janmit63

            But that’s the point I do preach about his love, but I also preach about how He loves the sinner but not the sin. I clearly said He does love you but He does not love your sin which is homosexuality. You are a very misguided person . I feel sorry for you because you refuse to accept Gods words as truth. I am a Christian & I care about you enough to tell you the truth, but unfortunately I can’t make you accept & that is very sad & pathetic. I am not evil because I do not listen to your father the devil.

          • Robby Clewley

            You dont care about anyone , you are a very bad person and claim to a christian but judge people and then say you are just repeating what god said. If i want your opinion I will GIVE it to you. NOTHING you say or feel or think will have any affect on my beliefs , my life and the laws . Get over it cause 32 states down and 18 to go :)

          • janmit63

            Oh but I do you have sat here accusing me of some very nasty & disgusting things that are not in any way true & yet I am still here trying to get you to see you are living in sin. You show me where I ever judged you, you can’t because I never have, I have told you over & over again what God says but you refuse to accept His word & then accuse me of judging you, That’s another lie. It’s not my opinion as I have posted exactly what God said about homosexuality. Don’t be so cocky as you have no idea what will happen come Nov.

          • Robby Clewley

            You are evil and not a christian. I have called it how i see it , you have a crusade against gay people and you are evil for doing so. Enjoy your pathetic life. I will make sure EVERYONE knows you are part of a hate group . I am reporting you to the Human rights campaign as someone who preaches hate . Goodbye

          • janmit63

            Nope you are evil because you are of your father the devil. And yes I am a Blood Bought Pentecostal Christian. You have called nothing but propaganda. I have crusaded for my Father God. Report away I have already made sure what a liar you are & the human rights campaign can do nothing to me because I have not spoken hate to anyone, do make sure they know you are a liar. I will be reporting you to several sites that stand for traditional families.

          • Robby Clewley

            Traditional families ? LOL. A family is a family. LOVE is LOVE. LOve knows no restrictions. I love my creator Jesus , I dont buy the lies of the right wing church. True christians love and dont tell others they are sinning. Oh you are Pentecostal , that explains it all lol

          • janmit63

            Wrong a real family is a mother, daddy & children & any thing else should be outlawed. So called ssc have no right to children & teaching them to live in sin. It’s not love it’s lust. It has nothing to do with being a right winger it has to do with the truth. Wrong true Christians do love but they also tell you what God says if they don’t they are allowing you to live in sin. You do not know God at all do you. You are a sinner & that explains it all.

          • Robby Clewley

            So single parent homes should be outlawed ? Wait … are you saying you want being gay to be illegal ?

          • janmit63

            Nope even if it’s just a daddy or a mother it’s still ok as long as the man was married to a woman or a woman was married to a man

          • Robby Clewley

            oh so you do hate gay people. i know many gay couples that have children and are better parents than most straight parents.

          • janmit63

            Putting words in my mouth again, God is not pleased with that. And I bet they teach them that their life style is not a sin, so they now have the blood of those innocent children on their hands, double whammy.

          • Robby Clewley

            Its NOT a sin. Love is love. Did you hear they are starting to teach LGBT history in schools now ? Isnt that great ? I think so.

          • janmit63

            Yes it is a sin. It’s lust not love. Yes i did & a lot of parents are now home schooling their children because they do not want their children to think that homosexuality is ok & a lot of parents who can’t home school are refusing to allow their children to be taught this trash in their schools. I thank God my son is done with school as too much big government garbage being forced upon our children. But even though he is no longer in school if I found out it was being pushed our our children I would be the first one there to stop it. Common core has got to go.

          • Robby Clewley

            Not a sin and we teach black history, american history , etc . gay history is no different

          • janmit63

            Yes a sin, of course they should teach black history & American history, but gay history should not be allowed, it’s not even a civil rights issue it’s a moral issue.

          • Robby Clewley

            It most certainly is a civil rights issue . Wow , are you really that clueless? Sexual orientation is protected by the US constitution. NOT a sin and we are protected by federal laws. I am so happy that schools teach LGBT history. I myself teach a workshop at the YMCA on LGBT studies.

          • janmit63

            No it’s not it’s a moral issue. No you are though.wrong again you are not protected by the Constitution. “Our Constitution was made only for a moral & religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other- John Adams”. Yes a sin & the federal law is flawed. Not in my school they will not. Thank you now i will not set foot in another YMCA ever again.

          • Robby Clewley

            this is the new america , i am starting a blog actually. Liberal christian values. Not a sin , legal stuff is great. Hey so hows life in Illinois ?

          • janmit63

            No it’s the immoral America. ROFL Oh do send me the like it should be great reading for a laugh. Who lives in Illinois?

          • Robby Clewley

            I think you live there. I am going to expose you for the hateful person you are and make sure everyone knows you are a crusader against gay people. You should be put on the US state departments hate watch list . Its a great america now . wish i could vote for obama again but Hillary will do .

          • janmit63

            Nope not from there. Expose away, this is AMERICA & I have the right to speak God’s truth. Oh I am quite sure I am quite a few list, but ti does not bother me. I am a Patriot, I am pro GOD, pro life, pro traditional family, pro gun. This is not a great AMERICA & it will not be until we get back to GOD. Oh Killery will not win Us Conservative Patriot Christians will make sure of that at the poles.

          • Robby Clewley

            How could you be pro life and pro gun ? guns take lives . God is against guns. Guns ruin this country. You must not value human life. You are a typical conservative and a FAKE Christian. No such thing as a “traditional family” family is family. gay straight bi .. all the same

          • janmit63

            ROFL no guns don’t take lives, people take lives. I could sit a gun & it would not get up & go shoot anyone why because it can’t as it does not have legs or arms & can’t go any where unless a human takes it some where. God is not against gun’s we use them to hunt (and please do not tell me you are a vegan). No immoral people like you have ruined this country, but thats exactly the thing I would expect out of a kool aid drinking sheeple liberal. And you are a typical liberal & not even a Christian. Yes there is such a thing as a traditional family, gays are not families they are just two people playing house with innocent children.

          • Robby Clewley
          • janmit63

            Again another stupid artical about the corrupt SCOTUS they are a joke & are not doing their JOB.

          • Robby Clewley

            WINNING :)

          • janmit63

            LOSING

          • Robby Clewley

            lol, hardly.

          • janmit63

            lol Very hardly you are winning. You really think God is going to let this go on too much longer? I don’t think so. Once we get the right people into the senate the first one to go will be the muslim in the White House.

          • Robby Clewley

            Awe Obama isnt going anywhere until Jan 17th 2017

          • janmit63

            Don’t be too sure about that as even black people are fed up with him & his obvious lack of leadership. About the only thing he knows how to do is play gulf & I doubt he is even good at that

          • Robby Clewley

            His term ends at end of 2016. They tried to impeach him and failed. You are so stupid lol. I enjoy these talks , its better than Comedy Central lol

          • janmit63

            Not necessarily. And just when did they try to impeach him? Because I do not recall any such thing & neither can another friend of mine. And he can still be impeached you know. I just can’t believe any thing you say any ways as you have already showed yourself a liar. Why I even bother with you is a mystery as you have proven nadda so far.

          • Robby Clewley

            Fox News sheepie is what you are. You should be locked up in a mental ward. I have never met anyone in all my years as INSANE as you. I guess this is Christianity in America today . SMDH

          • janmit63

            FYI I don’t even watch any news except my local & that’s only to get the weather. And Conservatives are not sheeple you libs are how pathetic you are to use that word to a Conservative. You keep going off about me being mental when you have proven time & time again you are the mental one, women in their 20’s & you called them little girls trying to make me out to be some thing i am not is really sick & low but what else would I expect for a liberal. Take a look in the mirror.

          • Robby Clewley

            nope its not , i will never believe it is

          • janmit63

            Yes it is & if you refuse to accept this fact then you will suffer Gods wrath. I pity you.

          • Robby Clewley

            God does not have a wrath. He is all loving and all accepting and all forgiving. slow to anger and does not punish people. People like YOU are what is wrong with this country .

          • janmit63

            ROFL so according to you every one who has every murdered, raped or robbed someone & did not repent is going to get a pass into heaven, I do not think so & neither will anyone who is living the sinful life style choice of homosexuality. He is forgiving but only to those who ask for it & stop living in sin which you have proven you are still doing, Yes he does punish you when you refuse to listen. No it’s people like you that are whats wrong with this country because you refuse to accept the truth.

          • Robby Clewley

            So you dont sin ? I know where I am going and thats Heaven . Your opinion means nothing.

          • janmit63

            Never said i didn’t, but sinning & living in sin are 2 different things I am not living in sin like you are. Not unless you stop living in sin. Oh its not my opinion it’s Gods own words which you refuse to accept.

          • Robby Clewley

            I have MY relationship with God and it does NOT involve a bigot like you so go away INSANE woman . You belong in a mental hospital.

          • Robby Clewley

            congress cant rule on gay marriage btw

          • roger

            I was in Detroit Michigan back in the 90’s preaching in Warren. I went to buy bunk bed one time for my boys. During our conversation the muslins learned I was a preacher and they refused to sell me bunk beds. So I just went some other place and bought them. Suing is so over rated. Just because you don’t get what you want from a certain business you sue???? what babies!!! Well guess what the world doesn’t’ revolve around you nor me. What babies you are!

        • canucklehead

          Refusing to bake a cake for a homosexual couple is no different than refusing to bake a cake for an inter-ethnic couple. That is why it is illegal. You have the right to have your beliefs but if you think those beliefs should allow you to discriminate who your business serves, you are on the wrong side of the law.

          • Sientje Seinen

            And there homosexuals take away the individuals rights, as we pay taxes and you should be able to refuse anyone we dislike or believe their behaviour is disgusting, you have no right to discriminate against our feelings or our thoughts.

          • canucklehead

            LOL!! That’s the basis of hate laws. A business CAN’T refuse service because of personal feelings and thoughts about what the country has deemed legal and moral. You can choose to not have homosexuals in your home. Your BUSINESS cannot choose to not serve homosexuals because of your personal beliefs. You do understand that, right?

          • Sientje Seinen

            I didnt say you were a horrible person what you stand for is horrible and disgusting and I should have the right to refuse you as the government does not own my business I do, then the governement becomes a dictatorship. and you do take away people/s freedom, which as if you are a christian the Lord only tolerates for so long, I.e Hitler, Stalin, they no exist but God word abides forever.

          • canucklehead

            See, this is your problem. You equate your beliefs to what the society believes. Nobody is saying you can’t be a bigot. Canadian Laws are saying that Canadians can’t push their bigoted ideal onto others, even if those bigoted ideals are based in religion.

            This is exactly the OPPOSITE of what you cite as examples. In other words, your right to freedom should not impose on the freedom of others. Get it?

          • Sientje Seinen

            you dont get it do you. So when I thought Hitler and his henchmen were horrible and disgusting, and I was not able to say so without being thrown into a concentration camp, isnt this the same with when I tell you I dont want to bake a cake for homosexuals as I think their behaviour is disgusting, and you cry to the authorities about my beliefs, and have them fine me or thrown in jail, that is like the nazis only instead of Jews, you now go after the christians. that makes you a nazi at heart

          • canucklehead

            Difference is, you’re doing what Hitler did… Impose his ideals onto others. I, on the other hand, would like kids to be comfortable being who they grow up to be, gay or straight.

            Live and let live.

          • Sientje Seinen

            then why dont you, give up your sexual parades flaunting your sins down the city streets, and leave the kids alone in the schools and stop foisting your sexual orientation upon them, you lie again about not leaving others alone, bake your own cakes and leave us christians and our children alone. for God;s sake your own words show us the lie. as I want kids to grow up comfortable to be either gay or straight. since you push your agenda in the schools, leave the kids alone and let them live

          • Sientje Seinen

            No because your freedom is one sided you push your freedom on something I do not wish to do, or consent to, that is not freedom but being a bully, you bully your ways onto others and that is the sad part, you have become bullies and dictators. like nazis. which is what they did,

          • canucklehead

            You’re not very smart are you. You realize that nobody is forcing you to be in a homosexual relationship, right? You realize that YOU”RE the one who insists on pushing your ideas of the correct way to love onto others. Hitler persecuted gays too. Look, you have lots in common!

          • Sientje Seinen

            look who is talking Hitler was against gays because of the birth rate having dropped so low, out of 4,000.000 males 2,000,000 were homosexuals, So dont tell me they dont recruit, they are not born that way. you do recruit as your agenda is towards the young adults or children in the schools, and what will you do when with abortions and gays recruiting the christians are becoming less and less, and Islam takes over who doesnt tolerate the gays, as Allah must be obeyed. what then will you do, wont you wish you had not promoted homosexuality and put all your gay friends in grave danger of Isis and Islame be thankful christians right now tolerate you, which I can say the same for you.

          • canucklehead

            And there it is, the hateful “Christian” crazies. Thanks for tolerating me. You do realize that the majority in civilized countries agree with me, right? Try to bring back your Christian oppression. Might work in Russia but here in Canada, we’ll kick your butt. You do realize you’re a dying breed, right? Fewer and fewer living in first world countries consider themselves religious each year. Blah all you want. Try repeating your garbage out loud in public in Canada. Then see who is tolerating who.

            Alas, I’m done entertaining he crazy lady. Ciao.

          • canucklehead

            LOL!! That’s the basis of hate laws. A business CAN’T refuse service because of personal feelings and thoughts regarding issues that the country has deemed legal and moral. You can choose to not have homosexuals in your home. Your BUSINESS cannot choose to not serve homosexuals because of your personal beliefs. You do understand that, right? For example, I find your beliefs disgusting and vulgar. I would never have you over in my home. However, If I owned a restaurant, I can’t simply deny you service because I think you’re a horrible person.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Why not, I can make up an excuse that you forced me to make the cake. I could tell you I am way to busy, to do it, Since we are in a free country and pay taxes that I should be able to tell you that I do not wish to cater to you, I dont have to give a reason, but I can still refuse. dont you agree that is what it means to live in a free country unless of course you mean only freedom for you and your kind?

          • canucklehead

            In other words, lie. Good Christian, good Christian.

          • Sientje Seinen

            who says I am a good christian we serve the Lord in humility and fear. As the Fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom. since homosexuals lie all the time about being born that way, or that is love, lies beget more lies. you whole life is a lie. actually it is quite alright to lie as the lie to say I am to busy to bake you a cake is done because of you trying to foist your wickedness on me. I dont have to consent to your wickedness,

      • Dylan Skriloff

        If someone thinks it’s a sin it isn’t Canada’s place to prevent them from speaking about it.

      • Spotted Feather

        It’s not a sin to be gay ? Well, that’s news to GOD, who says that it is. And nobody is judging anybody. We judge the sin, not the person.

      • Scott

        Dearest Robby- perhaps the god you serve doesn’t see homosexuality the same way the God of Heaven and Earth does. The God of Heaven and Earth states specifically in many places that Homosexual offenders who remain un-repentant will not spend eternity with Him. That also goes for every other sinner who does not repent- and we are all sinners. Hate itself is not a crime. Hating evil things is an admirable thing. Hating people is not admirable. In reality- I think your problem is that you don’t like the God of Heaven and Earth or His laws. I believe that you have a right to that opinion even though I don’t share your opinion. I support your right to be ignorant of the truth- as I see it. You, however seem to be advocating governmental punishment for anyone who does not hold to your particular position on god and on what is or is not sin. I believe that this position will eventually backfire on you. By the way- the God of Heaven and Earth did not tell us not to judge between evil and good. He told us not to condemn people. Perhaps your god said not to judge- but that is not the God of Heaven and Earth that we read about in the Bible. Have a happy life while you can. Eternity is coming.

      • Tim Seals

        what is or isn’t sin will be determined on judgement day. We can always say this or that is or isn’t a sin, but if you believe in a higher power we all have to answer for our choices. The world is not moving forward. Look around, things are getting worse in almost every aspect.

        • Robby Clewley

          Oh and you think homosexuality is part of the world getting worse I’m sure. Its people like YOU that are to blame for the world getting worse with your hateful views.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Not so Robby since Paul writes that before the coming of the Lord, lawlessness will increase and with perverted laws and perverted sex we can see it becoming a pandora box which you and your ilk opened. Remember that the Lord return and gather His own, those who believe that He suffered greatly for the sins of the flesh and those outside the body,as He sealed the new covenant with His blood, and for you to mock His suffering is bringing the wrath of God upon the nations.

      • Sherry

        HOmosexaulity is a sin and God is clear your words do not override God and you he in the end will have final say on those who are turning their back to him to push sin against him. God does not love sin and he will not allow anyone who is in this sin or any to enter into the kingdom of heaven. If we truly love the lost it is our duty to tell them the truth not condone sin as you are /God is clear those who do these things and those approving of them will be accountable and God is completely Holy and completely righteous and those who choose to stay in sin will perish in their sins as they who push them and now attack the word of God . You are on a dangerous path thinking you can proclaim what is sin as not. Woe unto those who call evil good and good evil for they will reap what they sow. God says he will turn them over to a reprobate mind to do what is wrong for they choose to keep going against him.You are on a very dangerous path to being turned over to the reprobate mind for you now challenge and test God himself with your words. the hate crime is letting someone die and go to hell and not telling them the truth of the love of Christ so they may be saved if they repent. YOu should be ashamed of yourself for you are the ones showing true hate to all . For you would rather they live in sin and die and lose their souls . We that love God will stand with God over man always and always speak the truth Jesus says as they hated him they will hate us for speaking truth but in the end God will have the final say. and the saddest thing you will hear is Depart from me I knew you not. You are on a path to destruction and I m telling you now all who take this path will reap what they sow. I pray you see truth before that day.

        • Robby Clewley

          Oh so because I believe in Gay marriage and I am Bisexual I am going to hell ? Im so sure. We dont hate anyone , we are just trying to live our lives and its YOU people that constantly say hateful things about us and then you call yourself a Christian. You can love God without judging others. I know for a fact that I AM going to Heaven . I am NOT ashamed of myself because I sleep at night knowing that I am a good person and love others and do not judge what they do with their lives. I feel sorry for you .

          • Sientje Seinen

            of course you dont judge if you saw someone murder his neighbour you still would not judge that man, he would be a good man, If you saw someone in need and pass him by you would not judge that man he would be a good man, Did you know that the Lord God said that “There is no one that is Good? only God is Good?” see there you are telling lies about yourself again. you are of your father the devil who is the father of lies.

      • http://www.rlbm.org Robert L. Bufkin

        God has already done the judging HE HATES sodomy in all forms-look at Sodom and Gomorrah-He hates homosexual behavior in any form. ALL we do is report what GOD SAID ALREADY…

        • Robby Clewley

          Those are WRONG biblical teachings that have been taught to our society. But you can have your beliefs and we have ours BUT here in the US its becoming more and more accepted. SEVEN more states legalized it today. You dont need to report what you THINK God says about being gay . Me being gay or bi does not affect your life in any way shape or form so why report it ?

          • Spotted Feather

            What are you talking about “what you THINK GOD says about being gay” ? Um….last I checked, GOD says that being gay is wrong. Why do you convientently skip over that part ?

          • Robby Clewley

            No he does not. I used my marker to cross that out in my bible as its untrue , it was added to create a campaign of hate against LGBT people.

          • Spotted Feather

            So, you DO pick and choose what parts of the bible to follow. In order to believe them and follow them, they have to be something that you agree with. If you don’t like them, then they’re not true ? How have you gotten this far in life when it’s extremely obvious your view of things is so far out of whack with reality ?

          • Robby Clewley

            I believe in GOD , not lies made to make gay people feel bad about themselves. You know , its people like you why gay men have the highest suicide and substance abuse rate in the country. Keep your opinions to yourself. You will NEVER change our views and you will NEVER make us or gay marriage go away. JUst keep your hateful opinions to yourself.

          • Sientje Seinen

            no gays have suicides because you recruit and those that want out of the gay life, you make life extremely difficult for them, you lie about this also, I have heard of gays wanting to turn straight and you make their life miserable. your fault

          • Sientje Seinen

            when you feel bad about yourself, that is a warning for you to stop your homosexual behaviour, God always warns the people to repent before He acts out his vengeance.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lolol you are naive you crossed it out, but that itself is a sin, since when did the Lord appoint you to tell Him which of His Word you should keep and which you should cross out? why dont you read revelation where it says that the plagues in the Holy Scriptures will be added to those whom subtract or add to the Holy bible? repent of your arrogance

          • http://www.rlbm.org Robert L. Bufkin

            BUT THE SAD part is- Medical Science + Social Psychology says: homo sex is a learned behavior – caused by a mother who has a baby boy-does not allow the boy to obey or listen to or be like his father – she blocks the boys natural identity with his father and is the power broker in the family. SO the boy seeks out men…sex with men…in a deeply buried desire for the father he never had (socially or by psychological identity). homo sex is a mental disease… it would bring an end to human society….

          • Robby Clewley

            It was ruled by the DSM in the 70s to not be a mental disease.

      • http://www.rlbm.org Robert L. Bufkin

        ALMIGHTY GOD, Jehovah has already done all the judging and HE says he hates every evil way. Homosexual behavior is a hate crime against society as it has existed for thousands of years.
        Homosex behavior is a Societal SUICIDE demon of perverted lust.
        Suicide for all of Society is the outcome of HOMO sex regardless of gender. It is caused by disunity between parents..according to Dr. Sigmund Freud, M.D. Psychiatrist. READ all that in HIS TEXT BOOKS. SOCIETY would come to an end in one generation if everyone became homo-sexuals. Something to think about.

        • http://www.rlbm.org Robert L. Bufkin

          LOOK at the large number of FORMER homo sexuals who have been delivered from that perverted life-style. Medical Science says that the homosexual life style is very dangerous and brings early death to all who practice that lifestyle. MEdiCAL SCIENCE has said-that the homosexual life style is a learned behavior. Read it for yourself. It is a learned behavior and has NEVER been traced to a GENE or an organic mis-formed gene. It is learned behavior and therefore can be unlearned…but only if the demon of lust has been cast out. A cross attitude between parents is the source of mis-directed sexual desire. Dr. Freud discovered that. Just ask a homo person where their Father is..or their Mother is. DR. FREUD said, that a homo man ..in seeking men…is really seeking a father who his mother never allowed him to have. READ IT FOR YOURSELF. I am quoting Medical Science … IT IS UP TO YOU to read it for yourself and decide…

        • Robby Clewley

          The law disagrees with you , it is a hate crime to be against gay people . You are sick.

      • janmit63

        No canada is wrong because homosexuality is an abomination. It is our business as Christians when it’s shoved in our faces, they made it our business. no IT’S NOT a hate crime & they just committed nothing. Yes God does love us all, but He does not love their sin. And yes we are to judge righteously. You should be ashamed of your self for trying to tell this person they are wrong

        (1. We are to judge righteously. Jesus commands in John 7:24, “Judge
        not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.”
        Judge by the Word of God and Its principles, not by someone’s skin
        color, whether they are tall or short (inherited physical traits), etc.
        You may also misjudge a situation because it may “appear” to be
        different than what it is; for example, you may not have all the details
        of a situation to make a righteous judgment. If you must err, it is
        best to err towards mercy… give someone the benefit of the doubt.
        2. We are to judge without hypocrisy. “And thinkest thou this, O man,
        that judgest them which do such things, and doest the same, that thou
        shalt escape the judgment of God?” (Rom 2:3)
        Judge yourself first
        to see if you are guilty of that sin. Live what you preach. Only after
        you get your life cleaned up by turning from your own sins and receiving
        pardon through repentance and faith in Jesus (i.e. you get saved) you
        can go and help others to be saved too. If your life has been
        transformed by the love of Christ, by all means, go and help your
        brother.
        3. We are to judge only by what we know. “He that
        justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both
        [are] abomination to the LORD.” (Prov. 17:15)

        • Robby Clewley

          Homosexuality is not an abomination at all. Love is love and I have news for you .. gay rights are not going anywhere. We are winning this fight and YES God is not anti gay like you people say using God to further your campaign of hate.

          • janmit63

            Yes it is, it’s not love it’s lust. I believe they will go somewhere very soon. No you are not. God love the homosexual< but he hates their sin & they will not enter his Kingdom unless they turn to Him. We are not using God for any thing we are simply stating the truth, It's not hate in fact we love & care about them way more than you do because we care enough to tell them the truth.

          • Robby Clewley

            Its love just like any straight relationship and no its not going anywhere. God didnt ask you to state your hateful opinion , now get help . You are a psychopath

      • roger

        I love how people like you try and quote the bible but ignore what the bible really says! Sure Matthew 7:1 says for us to not judge, but read the rest please! Matthew 7:1-2 (NASB)
        1 “Do not judge so that you will not be judged. 2 “For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you.

        You see, as long as the Bible is our guide then we are not judging, God is. I am not giving opinion at all. 1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NASB)
        9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

        Well I’ll let you tell me what that says. But as for me I am going to take a page from Jesus’ own words found back in Matthew 7.

        Matthew 7:6 (NASB)
        6 “Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

        You will either confess Jesus as Lord and Master of your life now before it is too late or you will confess Jesus as Lord of all after it is too late. You choose whom you will follow but as for me and my family, we choose the Lord Jesus Christ.

        • Robby Clewley

          Yes Jesus is my lord and savior and I know he accepts me as I am and loves me and even though I am bisexual I am going to heaven . I know this.

          • roger

            Robby I am sorry you feel that way. But remember the Bible is very clear in teaching what immorality is and homosexual behavior is immorality. You can think that way all you want, but it just does not make it right. Proverbs 14:12 (NASB)
            12 There is a way which seems right to a man, But its end is the way of death.

            Paul by inspiration said, you are deceiving yourself if you live that way and if you live that way you will not inherit the kingdom of God. There is never an example of someone who is homosexual in the Bible and that being accepted by God.

          • Robby Clewley

            That part of the bible is outdated . This is 2014 , god speaks to my heart and in our house we praise the lord . Its not immorality . Sorry you feel that way but people being gay does not affect your life so dont know why you bother with these articles. Nobody is trying to restrict your rights /

          • roger

            Oh yes it does. what is going in in Canada will come to America soon and being a minister of the gospel and teaching truth will affect me. Yes it does affect me. If you really believed being gay didn’t affect anybody then you would not try and make it a hate crime. so yes it does affect me.
            Oh who are you to say what part of God’s word is outdated? lol So you like that part from that outdated bible that says to “not judge, but that immorality part you don’t like???? Truth is, the Bible is the greatest guide for having a most fulfilled life on this earth.

          • Robby Clewley

            You should preach gods love and acceptance and not judge people . Its pastors like you that drive people away from religion. It IS a hate crime and yes it will come here to the US and I cant wait. We are the persecuted ones , just like the blacks were and women were . We have to fight for our rights and we are winning thankfully. I have a fullfilled life here on earth and my sexuality does not change my relationship with God. I go to a gay church and we learn about gods love and that is it, no judgment at all.

          • roger

            Listen it was the religious people who freed the blacks because it was wrong to enslave them. We preach God’s love, but we must remember that God is the one who gave us His word to live by. It is you who is choosing to not live by them and you know you have to remove many parts of God’s word in order to feel good in what you are doing and how you are living. But always remember what God has said in His word in Revelation 22:18-19 (NASB)
            18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues which are written in this book; 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book.

          • Robby Clewley

            I listen to what God speaks to my heart , not some man written book. I live by God’s word . I do my best . God made me how I am , he made me bisexual and therefor its okay for me to be who I am. You are fighting a losing battle friend.

          • roger

            What you are listening to are demons who are appearing as angles of light. 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (NASB)
            13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workers, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. 14 No wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 15 Therefore it is not surprising if his servants also disguise themselves as servants of righteousness, whose end will be according to their deeds.

          • Robby Clewley

            No not at all. Being gay is NOT a sin period. I dont buy your logic and your message of condemnation of gay people. Its none of your business what gay people do. I know you are mad that the supreme court ruled in our favor but ya gonna have to get over it.

          • roger

            Matthew 7:20-23 (NASB)
            20 “So then, you will know them by their fruits. 21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 “Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 “And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’
            Understand that JESUS said that YOU are practicing lawlessness! What I do know is, the people have spoken in every state and the courts have overturned it. This is not the will of the People of America. Just remember that. And it is not the will of God no matter what you say.
            Have a good day

          • Robby Clewley

            Its the law though :) Isnt that great ? Hide behind your versus all you like. You are a FAKE Christian . You want to condemn people just because you hate yourself for being gay. I will pray for you.

          • roger

            Now look who is being hatful and judging. lol you are a hypocrite

          • Robby Clewley

            Im just defending myself against the hateful Christian right. we on the left have to do that cause you people are ruthless with your FAILED efforts to ban gay marriage .

          • roger

            As I said before, the PEOPLE have not one time in one state said they agree with gay marriage. I am not hateful, but if you don’t want to hear what Jesus has said in this, well consider yourself warned.

          • Robby Clewley

            I know what Jesus says to me , I dont need you getting in the middle of my relationship with him. It does not matter what the people say, the SCOTUS ruled and said they wont hear any appeals to ban gay marriage. WE WIN :)

          • roger

            LOLOLOLOL you sad misguided person. don’t you know only those who are in Christ win. Only those who hear and obey Jesus win. Only those who submit to the teachings of Jesus and His apostles win. If you do not repent of your lifestyle you will surly loose!

          • Robby Clewley

            I am in a monogamous relationship , its no more a lifestyle than your straight one is. I am with Christ , and nothing you can say will change that. You dont know God , you are just a sad closed minded hateful person. We win cause we have equal rights. Doesnt the bible say all men and women are created equal ??

          • roger

            Oh now you want to quote from that old outdated bible when it suits your augment! That same bible you just quoted from said homosexual behavior is sinful. You cannot pick and choose what you want to believe or not believe.

          • Robby Clewley

            yes i can

          • roger

            sorry it doesn’t work that way.

          • Robby Clewley

            So let me ask you , do you approve of people owning slaves ?

          • roger

            Not me. Why do you ask?

          • Robby Clewley

            Cause the bible advocated it . Do you think women should OBEY their husbands ?

          • roger

            first of all the Bible gave instruction as to how masters should treat their slaves if they had them, it never says to have them. A great big difference, and second of all YES wives must obey their husbands, but husbands must love their wives as Christ loved the church. And Children must honor their parents! All in context you see. Once again you lose.

          • Robby Clewley

            You are living in a different time because in 2014 wives and husbands are equal, no submissiveness stuff anymore. I suppose if you had a child that was gay you would disown them ?

          • roger

            I have three boys who are men who love women. That is God’s design. But still God says I am to love my wife and only my wife. I have to control my life and follow His word and I love only my wife.

          • Robby Clewley

            control your wife ? Oh yeah thats real Christian . If one of your boys were gay what would you do ? Im curious.

          • roger

            I don’t control my wife. My wife submits to God’s word and she submits to me, but we are equal in the sense that we obey the order that God gave. 1 Corinthians 11:3 (NASB)
            3 But I want you to understand that Christ is the head of every man, and the man is the head of a woman, and God is the head of Christ.
            Notice that Christ submits to God the Father and there is no shame in that.
            As for what I would do if one of my boys were gay. I guess what you don’t understand is I have no choice but to obey my Father in heaven. I would love them with all my heart but I would not condone their lifestyle. This would go no matter if they were gay or living with a woman not being married to them or if they were drunks.

          • Robby Clewley

            you just said you control your wife though . I think you should go back to seminary

          • roger

            No I said my wife obeys me. I said she does this all on her own. I think you need to go back are reread what I posted.

          • Robby Clewley

            Well no wife should obey her husband , its a mutual partnership. wow the church really does hate women. tells they to obey their men and then tries to take away their right to choose.

          • roger

            I guess you do not know the relationship between Christ and the Church and the relationship between a husband and his wife????

          • Robby Clewley

            I do , i was married to a woman before. Its equal. You really have no idea what you are talking about but I’ll keep you in my prayers, im sure you are not a bad guy .. just misguided by false Christian teachings.

          • roger

            So I am misguided because the Bible said what the order is??? But that same bible tells you homosexual behavior is sinful and that is ok. My friend, I am not the one who is misguided.

          • Robby Clewley

            Its not sinful. plain and simple. Its not in the 10 commandments now is it ?

          • roger

            You do realize that the 10 commandments and all the laws and ordnances were given only to the nation of Israel, don’t you?

          • Robby Clewley

            I went to Catholic school , the 1o commandments are the rules and homosexuality isnt in there.

          • roger

            Well you see, that is part of your problem. Once again lets notice what the Bible really says. Exodus 34:27 (NASB)
            27 Then the LORD said to Moses, “Write down these words, for in accordance with these words I have made a covenant with you and with Israel.”

            Now notice the difference between the old testament and the new testament. Ephesians 2:12-15 (NASB)
            12 remember that you were at that time separate from Christ, excluded from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who formerly were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For He Himself is our peace, who made both groups into one and broke down the barrier of the dividing wall, 15 by abolishing in His flesh the enmity, which is the Law of commandments contained in ordinances, so that in Himself He might make the two into one new man, thus establishing peace,

            When Jesus died and arose from the dead His law was then enforced. We follow Christ and His law. There is no one alive ever, except Jesus, who could keep the law of Moses. So Jesus died and removed that old law.

            Hebrews 8:7 (NASB)
            7 For if that first covenant had been faultless, there would have been no occasion sought for a second.

            Hebrews 9:15-17 (NASB)
            15 For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance. 16 For where a covenant is, there must of necessity be the death of the one who made it. 17 For a covenant is valid only when men are dead, for it is never in force while the one who made it lives.
            So you see, the law of Moses is no longer enforced, but now we follow Jesus.

          • Robby Clewley

            We will never agree , I will continue going to my gay church and fighting for gay rights and you will continue to be ignorant and closed minded thinking you are right BUT gay marriage is legal in 31 states and Dc and soon to be 50 and dc. Again, we will never agree so its kinda pointless. I feel sorry for you that you are more concerned about gay marriage than gods love for all of us .. very sad. You take care though …

          • roger

            I don’t know if you would ever be my friend, but I would be friends with you. I will always stand on truth, but as Jesus said to me about his precious words, Matthew 7:6 (NASB)
            6 “Do not give what is holy to dogs, and do not throw your pearls before swine, or they will trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you to pieces.

            That was in response to righteous judgment when people will not hear the truth. have a good day

          • Robby Clewley

            trust me i know the truth. Jesus loves me and being gay is not a sin. anyway wish you well.

          • Robby Clewley

            you pick and choose so why cant i ??

          • roger

            What I have done is go to every verse on that subject and put it all together. Keeping things in context what the Bible says is homosexual behavior is immorality and therefore sinful.

          • Robby Clewley

            thats wrong, its not sinful. end of story.

          • Robby Clewley

            if someone told you constantly that you were wrong for loving who you love you would defend yourself too. Its people like you why the drug abuse and suicide rate is so high for gay men . you people make me so angry.

          • roger

            Yep, the truth comes out. You are full of anger and hate. I will pray for you that your heart will soften and you will obey the Bible and repent before it is everlasting too late.

      • kanenas101

        If it is “none of your business what others do” then why do you believe that this pastor must be persecuted? The pastor is not forcing anyone to accept what he is teaching.

        • Robby Clewley

          Because gay people are not breaking the law. These hateful anti gay pastors are.

          • kanenas101

            They’re simply offending you, not physically harming you.

            You want people with guns and badges to silence them.

            Who’s the worse person?

          • Robby Clewley

            Im against guns . I want judges to silence them. Its not freedom of speech when you use religious hate to condemn a person. Its about equality and we are winning the war.

          • kanenas101

            How do you think a judge will silence these critics? They’ll send out the police, who can use force against someone, and will do so if they feel it necessary.

            It is sickening that so many “civilized westerners” have no problem with using the government to forcibly silence and persecute people with whom they don’t agree. You people are no better than the regimes of Saudi Arabia, Iran, ISIS and the Taliban.

          • Robby Clewley

            NO its people like you that are like ISIS , etc. You are against equality when God says we are all created equal and should be treated as such. The government is simply trying to protect those treated unfairly like preachers preaching HATE towards gay people. God is about LOVE , not hate like you people. You make me sick. Just go away

          • kanenas101

            Nope.

            You people support using government-sanctioned violence against people you don’t like. You’re exactly the same as any moslem government, even if your policy goals diverge.

            If you bigots had your way every Christian would be in prison. That’s no different than any moslem government.

            I don’t know what god to who you pray, but the Christian God would not agree with using the government to force others to accept Christian beliefs.

          • Robby Clewley

            I dont support violence at all. I am a Christian and not a muslim

          • kanenas101

            ROFL.

            You claimed that you support the government persecuting people with whom you don’t agree. You might be a coward who won’t use violence to take down people with whom you don’t agree, but you have no problem with government doing the same.

            You can’t call yourself a Christian if you believe this to be a valid belief.

          • Robby Clewley

            Its called a hate crime , its a law. I support the law. If you talk hate towards gay people you should be censored.

          • kanenas101

            Why?

            Because you’re offended?

            I thought no one had a right to not be offended.

            People like you are disgusting and evil. You’d put the rest of us in prison or have us killed if you could.

          • kanenas101

            Except you do support violence.

            You’ll be the one who cheers when the police break down these people’s doors and shoot them for resisting arrest.

          • Robby Clewley

            no no lol. im liberal, against police brutality and guns . im against violence

          • kanenas101

            ROFL.

            You would be cheering when Daniel was arrested and thrown to the lions for praying “illegally.” I’m sure he was engaging in “hate speech” of his day too.

            You just simply can’t accept that you fully and completely support violence when the government does it to people you don’t like.

          • Robby Clewley

            You are not very bright. Its ok, ill pray for you. Bottom line is its a hate crime to be against gay people . I guess you are against equality. GO troll elsewhere .

          • kanenas101

            You keep reaffirming my point.

            You support throwing Christians in prison.

            You support banning of Bibles (tons of anti-gay commentary there, we can’t have that!)

            You support using violence by proxy against those with whom you disagree.

            You refuse to tolerate any idea that disagrees with your worldview, and believe that such thinking should be criminalized and prosecuted.

            Go move to Saudi Arabia where they do all these things. You’ll fit right in.

          • Robby Clewley

            Well if i support banning bibles guess ill go to jail too cause i have mine right here on my nightstand minus the anti gay pages. I want all people who oppose equality to be helf accountable under the law. Ill stay in america where gay marriage is legal :) Ah i love hearing those words. dont you ? :) You lost , get over it. Gay life is here to stay. How would you feel if people took away your rights ?

          • kanenas101

            So you prove you’re not a Christian.

            Who are you to decide what God’s word is and is not? You clearly must think of yourself as a god.

            “How would you feel if people took away your rights ?”

            You might want to ask that pastor whose prosecution you cheered.

          • Robby Clewley

            Yes but my rights affect me and my future husband only , they dont affect YOU. The pastor speaking against us , affect and hurt many millions of people thus hate crime status. I am a Christian . being gay isnt a sin , its outdated and should be removed from the bible. I love jesus christ . Im not a fake, hateful christian like you. like i said just go away

          • kanenas101

            The pastor hasn’t hurt you or your partner. He simply said something that you don’t agree with.

            You prosecuting the pastor and putting those you disagree with in prison does hurt others.

            You can’t claim to be Christian and then claim that homosexual conduct is on the approved list of what God says is acceptable behavior when Scripture *clearly* says otherwise.

          • Robby Clewley

            Being gay isnt a sin thats the bottom line. God made me bisexual and he makes people straight or gay. Not a choice. its been proven

          • kanenas101

            Can you show me where it is proven?

            Is there a homosexual or bisexual gene?

            And I am sure that in your religion, which isn’t Christianity, homosexual activity is perfectly fine, and no one should have the right to tell you to subscribe to a faith that states otherwise.

            But you believe that you should have the right to impose that religious view on others at gunpoint. That is unamerican, and that is why you don’t belong here.

          • Robby Clewley

            Yes I can and I will find the articles again. My religion is Christianity but I am a liberal Christian not a right wing conservative one like I am guessing you are. If you want to pay my way I will gladly leave America but otherwise Im stuck here

          • kanenas101

            You are not Christian. You sincerely believe things that are contrary to Judeo-Christian Scripture. Ergo, you’re not Christian. There’s a huge difference between being a sinner according to Judeo-Christian Scripture and accepting that the sinful behavior is wrong, as opposed to engaging in what Judeo-Christian Scripture says is wrong and believing it to be right. Satan flat out lied and told Eve that what God said about eating the forbidden fruit was wrong.

            As for genetic predisposition to certain behaviors, this is still in dispute, with no evidence that makes the conclusion either way.

          • Robby Clewley

            Get help soon , its not too late for you. You are behind the times , you are not up with equality. Its 2014 and gay marriage is the new norm and is normal and is legal almost everywhere . sorry but you lose :) Yes I am a Christian . I say I am so I am , you dont know my relationship with God.

          • kanenas101

            I’d love to have a debate about political equality but you already have made it clear that you do not believe in equality as you believe that Christians should be punished by the government because they do not agree with you.

            And for you to believe that you are right with the Judeo-Christian God when you clearly believe things that He says is wrong shows that you have no relationship with Him.

          • Robby Clewley

            I believe in equality. Christians saying anti gay stuff is not equality , its hate.

          • kanenas101

            If you believed in equality then you should accept that other people do not share your views, instead of wanting them to be punished for it.

            I think the word you’re looking for is “tolerance.”

          • Robby Clewley

            equality as in everyone can marry , have benefits , etc. Be served in bakeries, restaurants , etc without discrimination. That is equality. Freedom of speech is one thing but when you bash a group of people that is HATE speech . If you dont like gay marriage then dont marry someone of the same sex, otherwise just keep your mouth shut like this pastor should have. If gay marriage is legal in a state then a pastor cannot deny to marry them, that is illegal as well.

          • kanenas101

            And again you affirm that your view of “equalty” is to have the government force people to do things that they don’t agree with, and to prosecute people who say and think things that you don’t agree with.

            No one cares who you sleep with, or what you want to call it, but your insistence that people who don’t agree with you be prosecuted is not equality.

          • Robby Clewley

            Of course people should face consequences for hate speech , hate speech isnt equality , its a crime. Pastors who supposed to love god but bash gay people need to be locked up or barred from speaking against gay people.

          • kanenas101

            So you’re a totalitarian.

          • Robby Clewley

            No I am a socialist

          • kanenas101

            A socialist totalitarian.

          • Robby Clewley

            No, I dont believe in totalitarianism but believe the government should step in sometimes to protect people. some of these so called Christian pastors call for gay people to be executed . You support that ?

          • kanenas101

            Except that you do. You are still calling on people who don’t agree with you to be punished by the government.

            I couldn’t care less what any person says about anything. Unless they are a direct physical threat to me what people say or think is their own business and no one else’s.

          • Robby Clewley

            You dont get it do you . you dont get that these pastors are causing gay people to kill themselves . Its hate and they should be punished by the law.

          • kanenas101

            That’s your unprovable opinion too.

          • Robby Clewley

            no its not. just go away , you are annoying

          • kanenas101

            Typical totalitarian… won’t back up his claims with facts, but those who disagree must be hauled away or killed.

          • Robby Clewley

            nobody should be killed but if you speak against gay people , black people, etc then you should be fined or arrested.

          • kanenas101

            typical liberal. You people never cease to live up to stereotypes.

          • Robby Clewley

            Liberals are the real Christians , we have compassion for others. Conservatives are social terrorists .

          • kanenas101

            So compassionate you’d imprison people you don’t agree with.

            You people are all the same.

          • Robby Clewley

            If they break the law and persecute gay people then they should go to prison. Dont you agree ?

          • kanenas101

            They aren’t persecuting anyone. If you don’t like the contents of a sermon, or what someone has to say, you can leave the conversation or cover your ears. You have no business telling other people what to say or think.

            The fact that you are so willing to use force to coerce compliance to your beliefs show that they have no merit in their arguments at all.

          • Robby Clewley

            Ok it seems you are rather slow at understanding things so let me break it down for you in terms that you can understand. There is free speech , which are opinions and thoughts that are not intended to harm any person or minority group and THEN there is HATE speech which are words and arguments that belittle and demean a person or group based on their race, creed, sexual orientation, etc . What these pastors do is HATE speech. If you call someone a racial slur its a crime. Did you know that >? If a cop hears you call a gay person a derogatory name in public its verbal assault. These pastors are enticing violence with their views and their campaign of hate hurts gay people . Now do you understand ?

          • kanenas101

            Nope, calling someone a racial slur, or any offensive name is not a crime.

            It is being rude, but it is not a crime.

            Like I said before, you’d fit in better in Saudi Arabia because such stupid ideas like yours are actually enshrined in the law there.

          • Robby Clewley

            Yes it is a crime. Its verbal assault. If you do it in front of an officer you will be arrested. You are not very smart at all. You are not a Christian . you are a fake hypocrite and I feel sorry for you.

          • kanenas101

            There’s no such thing as verbal assault, except in countries with Sharia law.

            Resorting to childish inanity isn’t making your case either.

          • Robby Clewley
          • kanenas101

            Did you even read your link?

            “Under the law, some verbal threats are considered an assault. ”

            Only terroristic threats can be considered crimes under the law. If someone says they are going to murder someone else, then the police can get involved.

            Saying someone is going to go to a particularly miserable place (the existence of which being based on voluntarily accepted faith) upon death if they don’t follow the rules of a religion is not even in the same ball park as a terroristic threat.

          • Robby Clewley

            You are very dumb , I cant believe how dumb you are lol. Wow, but then again you are a conservative . Bottom line its assault for these pastors to call gay people stuff like demonic and other awful things they say

          • kanenas101

            You’re not even reading the content of the links you provide.

          • Robby Clewley

            Just accept that you dont know what you are talking about and go to bed will ya .

          • kanenas101

            I’ve refuted everything you’ve said and you’ve provided no evidence to back up any of your opinions. Instead, you reaffirm your view that anyone who disagrees with you should be punished for that belief.

            If you wish you admit that this is a bad idea, feel free to do so.

          • Robby Clewley

            its not about disagreeing with me. anyone who bashes gay people or calls it a sin or all the other stuff they say should be silenced and charged with a hate crime . Thats what this is about .

          • Robby Clewley
          • kanenas101

            Might want to read your own link again. Hate speech is strictly in the eye of the beholder. Even the Supreme Court upheld the right of the Westboro Baptist Church to be a bunch of disrespectful, bigoted jerks.

            No one has a right to not be offended.

          • Robby Clewley

            But that law will change just like canada deemed it a hate crime like with this pastor in this article. We will do the same. Hateful people like you wont be able to oppose homosexuality anymore. you will have to keep quiet.

          • kanenas101

            Because tolerant people like you will have us all killed or thrown in prison.

            See it all comes down to your unamerican view that those who disagree with you must be punished. That’s the fundamental difference between real Americans and you people. We have no problem with people who think differently and honestly couldn’t care less what they say, what they do, who they sleep with, what religion they follow or don’t follow, or anything else that doesn’t involuntarily cause physical, tangible losses to other people.

          • Robby Clewley

            You are just trying to justify your bigotry so throwing it back at me. I am tolerant but know when people slander gay people and bash us. That is unamerican

          • kanenas101

            What bigotry?

            I couldn’t care less with which consenting adults you sleep.

            You’re the one who wants people thrown in prison and punished for disagreeing.

          • Robby Clewley

            I dont want people thrown in jail for disagreeing but i do want them thrown in jail for HATE speech and bashing gay people. Thats what this is about.

      • GRusling

        You’re right, and you’re wrong. Being Gay is certainly not a sin, according to the Bible. It’s PHYSICAL SEX with a person of the same sex that the Bible condemns!

        The Bible (and Christianity) condemns no-one for how they feel or what they think. Be careful what you DO though, because you just might be in danger of hell-fire for your actions! No-one can change how they FEEL, but everyone can control what they DO!

        I once heard a Preacher put it this way; “You can’t stop a bird from flying over your head, but you can stop him from building a nest in your hair”…

        • Robby Clewley

          Gay sex is no more wrong than straight sex is. Its only the hateful Christian right that things its a sin

  • RCLUVSANN

    I assume this will be equally applied to Muslims?

    • Craig D. Casimir

      lol guess again

    • IPreferTeaOverKoolAid

      No, no. Saying you’re against homosexuality is a hate crime, beheading gays is PERFECTLY acceptable. /sarcasm/

  • Prescott

    When the Muslims come to full power in Canada, the people there, including the Supreme Court, will be longing for the good old days when all they had to worry about were the loving convictions of Christians.

    • Robby Clewley

      That is a sick statement . Muslims are not bad people. There are bad Christians too that do bad things too. Wow , and you call yourself a Christian

      • Sientje Seinen

        muslems do not tolerate homosexuality and Obama opened the borders to them, so dont think that homosexuality is going to rule all of the 51 states, Have you not heard the warning of Islam pray that it isnt true that America will repent of them no longer acknowledging the Lord God of Israel and Christ Jesus whom He sent. to call people to repentance.

  • Craig D. Casimir

    They know this is retarded right? The Klan has many sites pushing hate on colored people and nobody bats an eye… a few pastors preach against homosexuality (as expected) and everybody loses their minds… well i guess canada doesn’t have freedom of speech like america does…. oh wait….

    • darryl

      Funny how you chose the Klan for hate speech and not Al Sharpton ,Jessie Jackson, Eric Holder

      • Craig D. Casimir

        them too… but it’s not funny at all. i wasn’t trying to make a list

      • Robby Clewley

        Those are civil rights leaders , NOT hate speakers

  • 1deecee12 .

    Then I guess the BIBLE is the written form! Their are Bible passages condemning homosexual acts. We are Definitely in the END TIMES!

    • Robby Clewley

      The end times ? Because gay people are accepted and protected ? You are not a very smart or good person

      • Sientje Seinen

        But you dont have the protection of our Lord and saviour Christ Jesus as Paul does say lawlesness will increase in the end times and the son of perdition will be revealed before the coming of our Lord, so yes of course things will be getting worse and homosexuality is just one of them

  • lynn hooker

    Then it would stand to reason that all the harassment and discrimination against Christians must be a crime as well.

    • Robby Clewley

      I am a gay Christian and dont harrass the gay haters like yourself

      • Sientje Seinen

        you do you persecute christians who do not want to serve you in a bed and breakfast home, I dont blame them why should we be subjected to your disgustfull behaviour and then you sue in order to foist your believes on others, shame on you. disgusting is what you are

  • Robby Clewley

    Awesome job Canada . Being on the right side of an important issue yet again. Making anti gay statements and using religion to further your message of hate IS a hate crime and should be treated as such.

    • Sunny D

      It doesn’t matter if you believe sodomy is right or wrong, this is about freedom of speech and freedom of religion. All other rights will go away if these freedoms are taken. Virtually every country that limits religion and speech ends up limiting other rights as well. Free speech is suppose to protect “unpopular” speech. That’s the point. Now, if you want to mail a leaflet to every church disagreeing with their stand- go ahead. You should have that right. I might call it a “hate-crime” but that is your right.

      • Sientje Seinen

        Its also called a dictatorship limiting other people views and beliefs.

      • Robby Clewley

        Religion is supposed to uplift people , not condemn people like these pastors do. Again , be ashamed of yourself and your hate.

        • darryl

          Homosexual behavior is no bigger sin than ,lying,cheating ,adultery,killing ,drunkenness do you have a problem with the preachers preaching against those sins as well ?

        • Sientje Seinen

          religion or true religion is to come to know the Lord God of Israel and Jesus Christ whom He sent. It is nothing to do with feeling good, but knowing that Christ suffered for us, to bring us back into communion with the Lord God. repent

          • Robby Clewley

            I believe Christ suffered for us yes , for all of our sins . Being gay isnt one of them.

    • Sientje Seinen

      well actually it is decreed by the Lord God Himself that homosexuality is an abomination, Do you consider yourself greater in wisdom than the Creator of the universe? And of course it isnt hate for homosexual to sue people who dont want their property used for gay weddings? whom do you think you are?

      • Robby Clewley

        I am a gay christian man , that is who I am. God loves everyone and does not judge. Not all of the bible is true. There were gay couples in the bible. Jesus always says its a sin to judge people, I am not judging, I am defending my people against the bigots. Canada is right here.

        • Sientje Seinen

          It amazes me that gays always seem to know what Christ said. He never said it was a sin to judge people, He said “Judge with righteous judgment” and since we know that God the father whom sent Christ calls homosexuality an abomination and Christ was obedient unto the Father even unto death, therefore Christ gave His life for these sins as He took on the wrath of God for these sins of the flesh and outside the body. so that we could turn to Him and receive forgiveness at the throne of mercy when we confess our sins. And God forgives solely for the redemptive work Christ did for us on Calvary, and therefore we give thanks and praise to the lord God to keep us from sinning as He sent His holy spirit into our hearts which convicts us of sin and points us to the saving grace which is in christ, therefore we listen to His Word as He said. “If you do not believe I am He, You will die in your sins.” fear God and repent Canada is not your saviour Christ Jesus is, the only begotten Son of the Lord God of Israel. give praise and glory to Him alone

        • D. Drury

          Your comment, “not all of the Bible is true” is amazing. How can anyone trust or believe in any book that has parts that are untrue? Either it is the word of God or it isn’t. Who selectively decides which parts are true or untrue? To select parts that please us is not a belief or faith, nor is it Christain faith. That’s who Christians are.

        • Homophobic

          You cannot be gay and be a Christian. You are a direct contradiction of biblical teachings. Practicing homosexuality is sinful and contrary to the Christian Faith. It is not an alternative lifestyle however it is unnatural, perverted, degrading, shameful and incident. Biblical scriptures throughout the ages forbids us to have sex with seven categories. Number 1 Parents, 2 children, 3 animals, 4 brothers and sisters, 5 another spouse, 6 dead people and 7 same sex. GAY IS WRONG!

        • Spotted Feather

          You can’t be a christian and say something as idiotic as “Not all of the bible is true.” Either you believe the bible, or you don’t. You can’t pick and choose which parts to follow and believe….just because GOD says that doing what you do is wrong….

        • L.T.

          If you were a true Christian, a true child of God, you would repent of your sin and turn to Christ. You can’t call yourself Christian and live in sin. The word of God is true and Holy and perfect.

    • darryl

      You seem to hate anyone that does not agree with the homosexual life style .Stop the hate speech man and show some love for your enemy.

      • Sientje Seinen

        we do we tell you about the error of your ways, that you are on the road that leads to destruction where Christ tells you to enter by the narrow gate as wide is the road to destruction, but evidently you hate those that try to help you, and are out to destroy same, where is you love for those that try to help you and make you see the error of your ways?

    • Spotted Feather

      Were they making anti gay statements, or anti gay people statements ? Because those are two VERY different things.

      • Robby Clewley

        not different at all

        • Spotted Feather

          ABSOLUTELY, they’re different. One is attacking a person, the other is attacking a behaviour. You can love and care about someone without loving and condoning their behaviour. That’s what this is. They were speaking against the behaviour, not the person.

    • Sientje Seinen

      only because the stupid judge is a lesbian, and a dictator, Actually she is on the wrong side of the law, the laws which really count in the eyes of the Lord.

      • Robby Clewley

        You are showing your true colors. Sad

        • Sientje Seinen

          it is true though she is lesbian and you why are people being fined who only speak the Truth, in christ? how deep are you going to sink to sue and persecute christians who try to bring you back from the deep things of satan and give praise and glory to God for delivering you from the snare of satan.

          • Robby Clewley

            I pray and give glory to god everyday for the gifts the lord has given me . I love god and praise him. Being gay isnt of satan but being hateful IS. something to think about.

          • Sientje Seinen

            what gifts since you only gift to the world so far is that you mock His suffering, I would believe you if you said I praise the Lord God for Christ Jesus who delivered me from the grip of satan to do his bidding by lusting after strange flesh, then I would rejoice with you, but I cant rejoice in someone who grieves the Lord with his actions of lusting after strange flesh.

          • Robby Clewley

            I never asked you to rejoice in anything but perhaps you should get some mental health help. You are not well, its very obvious. I dont lust over strange flesh. I am just who I have been since I have been ten. A bisexual male. Has nothing to do with my love for God.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you mean you are greedy in your sexual appetite, right? so you have to eat from the tree of good and evil constantly, Ask the Lord to help you curb your sexuality and spend more time helping the poor and give thanks to the Lord for hearing your request to cleanse your heart of all wickedness. as it is He that can change the hearts of mankind, so that you are not listening the satan which tempts you to do his will. so since ten you have only acted on your instant gratifications which is a sickness.

          • Robby Clewley

            I do help the poor , heck i am poor myself but always help others. I dont judge what others do except to fight those who persecute others, which is what you do. I dont listen to satan at all. I am a child of the most high God and nothing you say will change that . I actually feel sorry for you.

          • Robby Clewley

            by the way , more gay people are in monogamous relationships than straight people. thats what gay MARRIAGE is.

  • charliehall

    “Scripture records that Sodom and Gomorrah was given over completely to homosexual perversion and as a result destroyed by God’s wrath.”

    Actually, it doesn’t. The Jewish tradition is unanimous that the sins of Sodom were greed and inhospitability to strangers.

    • Sientje Seinen

      that is strange as the men of Sodom and Gomorroh were not interested in Lot;s daughters but in those men whom were visiting Lot. and it was their pride in being sinfull and homosexual, that was also one of their greatest sin, and guess what do they not strut their pride parades down our peacefull city streets, flaunting thei sins?

      • L.T.

        Those men were actually Holy angels

    • Erik H Ahlblad

      No that is a truth you wish were true but is not true at all. Also, read scripture again.

    • Dylan Skriloff

      It was all connected but clearly their sexual perversions were symbolic of their overall state of sinfulness — also, they hated to be judged

    • Spotted Feather

      Have you not read the bible….where it says that they were blown up for being gay ?

    • Sientje Seinen

      that is not true as Lot offered his daughters but no they didnt want those women they wanted those men, and they were barbaric in the extreme. Who else but lawless people would go after someone elses guests? Pride of course this is why the call them gay pride parades pride in their sinfullness

  • Erik H Ahlblad

    This is the beginning of martyrdom.

  • Dylan Skriloff

    The fact the pastor who wrote an op-ed was even taken to court is scary. At least the USA still has some freedom of speech, thank God.

    • Robby Clewley

      Its not freedom of speech , its hate speech. there is a difference.

      • Dylan Skriloff

        You are unhinged and obnoxious. Did you take too many poppers tonight? In the case I referred to the court ruled his speech was not hate speech. Any criticism of homosexuality as a practice is hate speech in your worldview. Okay, we get it. You want no freedom of opinion on sexuality. Your position has been recorded.

        • Robby Clewley

          You are NOT a Christian . I dont know what you are.

          • Sientje Seinen

            because Robby you dont recognize a true christian you only believe someone is a true christian if they give approval to your disgusting behaviour.

      • Spotted Feather

        Were the people saying that gay people should be killed ? No. Were the people saying that gay people should be attacked ? No. THAT would be hate speech. Simply saying that you believe being gay to be wrong is NOT hate speech. Please, think for a while before you go spouting your mouth off about things you have no idea about.

        • Robby Clewley

          A true God loving pastor gives a sermon of love and acceptance of ALL God’s children. He does not condemn. I know more than you , you hateful evil person. What gay people do is none of your business, it does not impact your life one bit so maybe YOU should stop spouting your mouth.

          • NinjaQuick

            lol, you know more than what? with your social justice and cookie cutter political arguments?

          • Spotted Feather

            I am neither hateful nor evil. I don’t hate gay people. But thank you for making up things that I’ve never said nor believe in any way, shape, nor form. And also, he does not condemn….the person. He condemns the BEHAVIOR. Never once said it affected my life. Again, thanks for lying…..which the bible says is wrong.

          • Robby Clewley

            If you didnt hate gay people you would not support people speaking against us . LOVE is love and it does not matter if its man and man or whatever . If it doesnt affect your life then you would be quiet , really wish you would . You are VERY hateful. He support a guy like this pastor that made hate comments.

          • Spotted Feather

            I don’t hate gay people, or anyone for that matter. I don’t like gay behaviour. As I said before, but you obviously don’t understand, you can love a person but not love their behaviour. Love the sinner, hate the sin. Don’t hate the player, hate the game. (a mother mad at a misbehaving kid) – I love you, but I don’t like you right now.

            There’s a million ways to say it. Some of my favourite people in the world are gay. I listen to music made by gay people. I watch tv shows made by/starring gay people.

            I disagree that it doesn’t matter if it’s a man and a man. It matters very much to GOD. True, it doesn’t affect me personally. I don’t hate anyone….as I’ve said. And again, like I’ve said, you can love a person but not their behaviour.

          • Sientje Seinen

            but they do recruit your children by making it seem normal, so that wrong is right and right is wrong this the effect they are trying to achieve, in the end it will come to it being a battle between good and evil. and the young people are the victims.

          • Sientje Seinen

            love is not the way you speak about love, some people love their car and even would kill for same if someone rammed into them. that is not love, Love is to be courageous enough to teach someone the error of their ways without condemning therefore saving a soul from death and covering a multitude of sin Peter. but your love is not love but a lusting after strange flesh.

          • Sientje Seinen

            bit that is not true, as God told satan in the garden of Eden. “I will put enmity between thee and the woman and between her seed and thy seed it shall bruise thy head and ye shall bruise its heel.” so therefore there are the sons of obedience and the sons of disobedience, spawns of satan,

      • Guest

        Did you not learn anything in school? ALL speech is FREE SPEECH. That’s what ‘freedom of speech’ means. To be FREE to say how you feel. If you’re not allowed to say how you feel, it’s no longer FREE speech. And if someone doesn’t like what you say, oh well. That’s part of FREEDOM. It is ‘Big Brother’ (in this case, the government) telling you by force what you can or cannot say. And when that happens, speech is no longer free.

        • Robby Clewley

          Not anymore , not since hate crimes were established. You cant call a cop a pig , thats assault and you will be arrested , you cant threaten the president , you cant call people racial or homophobic names, that is assault under the LAW. read it sometime .

          • NinjaQuick

            Except, taken to court all you need to do is argue free speech and you get off scott free, hell, you can get you accusers fined and incarcerated for defamation and actual abuse.

          • Robby Clewley

            Soon these pastors in the US will be charged with hate crimes when hate crime criteria is expanded,

          • Sientje Seinen

            lolol and you say you dont hate YOu hate those pastors who dont bow down to your will, You are hatefull in speech, in behaviour and you do not know our Lord Christ Jesus whom will come to judge your behaviour.

      • IPreferTeaOverKoolAid

        Did you not learn anything in school? ALL speech is FREE SPEECH. That’s what ‘freedom of speech’ means. To be FREE to say how you feel. If you’re not allowed to say how you feel, it’s no longer FREE speech. And if someone doesn’t like what you say, oh well. That’s part of FREEDOM. Even if someone says, ‘All gays should be killed.’ that’s allowed. It’s not until it’s acted out that it becomes a crime. Should people say a lot of what they say? No. But it is their right. And if it becomes harassment, something can be done about it. Christians quoting the Bible and agreeing with it IS NOT hate speech. It is ‘Big Brother’ (in this case, the government) telling you by force what you can or cannot say is NOT freedom. And when that happens, speech is no longer free. Go dig deeper into the First Amendment and learn about it.

      • NinjaQuick

        Hahaha, you clearly don’t even know what the word hate means. I haven’t heard a real congregational pastor speak anything other than love for troubled people. They are sinners, living in sin. Celibacy is literally an option, and does not take away happiness, but our modern society has programmed people into thinking anything and everything is permissible. That is a lie, and lies come from only one source.

        • Robby Clewley

          THAT is hate right there, Being gay is not being troubled. We do not live in sin anymore than you . I dont see married heterosexual couples being celibate , married gay couples should not have to either. Your views on homosexuality come from SATAN as God is about LOVE and ACCEPTANCE , NOT hate and judgment . You must be real mad that gay marriage is now the norm . :)

          • Sientje Seinen

            well robby since you have not accepted Christ;s hand reaching out to you to repent of your sinfull behaviour, I cant see how you accept Christ and His suffering for you and still remain in your sins. as He told the adulteress, Go and sin No more, Christ is not an agent of Sin, God instituted marriage between a husband and wife when He created Eve for Adam, not another man. and God did not give an order to be celibate, He said “Go out and multiply: which homosexuals are incapable of, or did you cross that passage out also? it still doesnt mean it is the norm, it means you recruit and that lawlessness has increased like Paul foreordained before the coming of the Lord.

      • Sientje Seinen

        it hatred when you sue those of us who dont want to make cakes or have you in our homes at a bed and breakfast home, it is disgusting your behaviour and since we pay taxes, we should have the freedom whom to serve whom we please. We also should have the freedom not to want to take your money, as if the government decides whom I should serve or not serve freedom to choose is lost, that is dictatorship and loss of freedom

  • Robby Clewley

    This should be called ChristianHATE.net . You people are not real Christians , real Christians dont condemn people and call who they love wrong. You people are evil.

    • darryl

      Aren’t you the judgemental one

    • Homophobic

      You cannot be gay and be a Christian. You are a direct contradiction of biblical teachings. Practicing homosexuality is sinful and contrary to the Christian Faith. It is not an alternative lifestyle however it is unnatural, perverted, degrading, shameful and incident. Biblical scriptures throughout the ages forbids us to have sex with seven categories. Number 1 Parents, 2 children, 3 animals, 4 brothers and sisters, 5 another spouse, 6 dead people and 7 same sex. GAY IS WRONG! I officially hate CANADA!

      • Holly Main

        So you can not be divorced and be Christian. You can not have sex outside of marriage and be a Christian You cannot eat pork and be Christian. You can not wear clothes made from 2 fabrics and be Christian. What a ridiculous statement that you can not be gay and be Christian. Jesus Christ himself would have welcomed the gays along with all of the others that didn’t fit in at the time!!

        • IPreferTeaOverKoolAid

          Wow. You have the Bible all wrong.

          If a person divorces and TRULY repents of their sins, they are wiped clean are forgiven. They can marry again, so long as they don’t continue to repeat their sins over and over. God forgives and wipes the slate clean.

          If someone has sex outside of marriage, same thing.

          Yes, we can eat pork. Jesus made all food clean.

          “Don’t you see that nothing that enters a person from the outside can defile them? 19 For it doesn’t go into their heart but into their stomach, and then out of the body.” (In saying this, Jesus declared all foods clean.)” Mark 7:19

          Clothes from two different fabrics. Please learn about Levitical Law and how it applies to Christians. (Not all of it does.)
          http://crossexamined.org/cherry-picking-the-bible-are-christians-expected-to-follow-the-levitical-laws/

          And no, you CANNOT be a practicing homosexual and be a Christian. When you become a Christian, you confess that you are a sinner, you acknowledge that Jesus died for your sins, and LEAVE your old sin nature behind. You daily pick up your cross and follow Jesus.That means you no long live by what yo deem as right or wrong, you follow Jesus and His Word, The Bible. You cannot live in blatant sin and be a Christian. You will make mistakes, you will stumble, but you can no longer live in blatant sin. You can’t keeping living you old life. When you are trully filled with the Holy Spirit He will convict you of your sinful ways and you will no longer want to live the life you are living. You will want to live a life holy and pleasing to God. And living in blatant sin is not holy or pleasing and it clearly shows that you were never truly sorry for how you were living and that you never truly repented.

          • Spotted Feather

            Clothes from two different fabrics doesn’t mean you can’t wear actual clothes made from two fabrics. What that verse means is a person that believes in GOD shouldn’t be intimately involved with someone that doesn’t. The person that believes is “one fabric” and the person that doesn’t believe is the other fabric.

        • Robby Clewley

          amen

        • Homophobic

          Homosexuality is a behaviour rather then just a condition. It is a sin hence the reason why the bible condemns it. The NLT version of the Bible states it clearly; “If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.”

        • Sientje Seinen

          Jesus would have told you like He did “Fear God who has the power to cast ye into hell.” Since it is God the Father who has condemned homosexuality, calling it an abomination, and since Christ is the Son of God, do you suppose He would approve of which His father condemned, did He not come to call everyone to repentance? I suppose that doesnt include the gays?

      • Robby Clewley

        I am GAY and a Christian . I love God , only requirement. Get psych help FAST.

        • NinjaQuick

          I strongly recommend you read the Bible, especially the parts where Jesus actively teaches from the old testament, and where Paul actively describes sexual immorality. Very solid read.

          • Robby Clewley

            THANKFULLY , your opinion means SQUAT as gay marriage is LEGAL all across Canada and in 32 US states. AMEN :)

          • Robby Clewley

            PLus DOMA is GONE. HAHA. WE are winning , your FAKE Christianity is LOSING .. how does that feel ?

        • Homophobic

          Psych help.. My friend you need psych help. You can’t be gay and be a Christian, those two things just do not correlate. Gay Christian, I think not!

          • Robby Clewley

            LOL I am a psych student. There are MILLIONS of gay Christians , its hateful bigots like you that need psych help.

          • Homophobic

            Millions?? my friend, get help fast. You need it. You are missing out on the joy of dating the opposite sex. The joy of creating another human being through a process called reproduction.

        • Sientje Seinen

          which god do you love the god of your own making that tells you you are a great guy, sounds like satan to me. who is the father of lies.

      • Robby Clewley

        Yes you can , I am gay and christian .. well I am bisexual but go to a gay christian church. Soon this will happen in the US too. Soon it will be a hate crime to talk about gay people this way here too. Its not unnatural or perverted . Two married gay people are the same as two straight married people . We are equals and thank the good Lord that equality has finally come to the USA. Bye bye DOMA and yay for gay marriage . Bet that makes you mad huh :)

        • Sientje Seinen

          I am afraid to ask what you do in those gay churches, Do acknowledge Christ as your Lord and saviour? or do you mock His sacrifice by continually lusting after strange flesh, and thereby mocking Christ suffering? and since God weighs the hearts of mankind and whether they are children of obedience or disobedient to repentance, then how can you consider yourself equal in the sight of the Lord God, who cannot walk with sin?

    • Spotted Feather

      We don’t condemn people, we condemn their actions. You really don’t get that ?

      • Robby Clewley

        Its the same thing as being gay is WHO we are. I am bi but its all the same. You condemn what you do not like they hide behind the bible to defend your hate and bigotry.

        • Spotted Feather

          I don’t hide behind anything. And again, I hate no one. I really fail to see how you don’t understand loving someone but not loving what they do. And being gay isn’t WHO you are. It’s the way you live, but it’s not you. Just as being black isn’t who a person is. It’s WHAT they are. Two very different things.

          I would like to thank you for making up lies,….though I don’t know what could have happened in your life to make you think that lying is alright. I am not hateful, nor am I bigoted. I’m as far from that as you could possibly be. As I said, I don’t hate anyone. I’ll have dinner with pretty much anybody. I’ll go to a party with anyone. I’ll go to a movie with anyone. I’ll sit down and talk with anyone.

          I’ve said all this before. How you get that I hate gay people out of all of this, I just don’t get.

          • Robby Clewley

            You are something else. It is WHO I am , being bisexual is how I was born and who I am and I am proud of it. I left the catholic church years ago because of their hateful, shameful message and now go to a loving church that does not condemn. You do hate , you call being gay wrong when it isnt . How about this , I will live MY life and continue to fight for gay EQUAL rights and you can continue living YOUR life.

          • Spotted Feather

            Born this way…..? Alright. I must have missed where they’ve given evidence that people are born gay and it’s due to biological influences like having red hair or freckles……oh, wait. There IS no evidence that people are born gay. It’s just an excuse. You learn how to walk. You learn how to talk. You learn how to read. But you’re BORN gay ? And that makes sense to you ?

            You’re born to be alive and have a particular colour of skin. That’s about all you’re born to be. Everything else, you learn.

          • Robby Clewley

            Yes there is plenty of scientific evidence . Who would choose something that they would be persecuted and hated for ? I didnt choose to be gay just like you didnt choose to have a closed mind.

          • Spotted Feather

            Plenty of scientific evidence….where ? And I have a closed mind ? Just because I don’t agree with you ? I’m open to anything….as long as it makes sense.

          • Sientje Seinen

            because you were weak and couldnt resist the temptations of the devil, who has ensnared you to do his will, and convinces you that it is your right, the father of lies.

          • Robby Clewley

            Being gay isnt evil. who I choose to love isnt your business.

          • Sientje Seinen

            There is no such thing as gay rights, there are the three basic rights for all human beings. 1 food, 2 shelter and 3 clothing. gay rights is nothing more than wanting equalization for perverted sex, it isnt a right, and soon everyone will be clamoring for rights to steal, they are born that way, rights to murder, I was born that way, rights to covet, after all I was born that way. you are opening up a pandora box, the right to have three of more wives, the right to marry your dog, you name and you have spawned all of these things.

    • Sientje Seinen

      actually your own words condemn you, you told us you took passage out of the Bible thereby provoking the Lord God to anger, better read revelation 22 verse 18 and 19 which forbids you to add or subtract anything from the Lord;s Holy Word.

  • LooneyBinEscapee

    It’s Canada. Who cares.

  • BrotherRog

    I’m a huge advocate of LGBTQI rights – however, I’m also a huge advocate for the right of free speech. I’m wilth Voltaire who said, “I do not agree with what you have to say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.”

  • http://www.youtube.com/DutchLionFrans Dutch Lion Frans

    This is worse than Soyet Communism ever was! The government who gets into our pulpits to dictate and control what
    God’s servants preach and teach especially in line with sound doctrine from the rightly translated and rightly divided Word of God, preached, taught and partised by the church for 2000 years, trespasses it’s legal competence,
    Constitutional jurisdiction and God’s boundaries of their civic
    authority and is on the way to total destruction by reaping what it
    sows, and by God! These clowns in blackdresses who perform their justice raping, evil authorities rubberstamping theater in our courts, and all other devil’s seeds will soon be harvested by God’s angels and thrown into eternal fire! Matthew 13: 24-50; Revelation 21:8. These devils in our courts, governments etc. are guilty of the worst hate-crimes themselves. Because if the sinner is denied the truth of his condition and behavior that leads to eternal death, he does not seek a solution/ salvation and is therefore lost for ever. How will the sinner know? Unless God’s Word is preached that makes the sinners sin known, and his eternal destination also. Whosoever prevents the servants of God to do preach the Word of God rightly divided, and is guilty of the eternal loss of the souls of sinners, will be thrown into the deepest darkness as haters of all mankind themselves. It may be time for God’s people to ask asylum in Russia where God’s Word is being honoured now!

  • http://www.youtube.com/DutchLionFrans Dutch Lion Frans

    The ambiguity of the hate-law is INTENTIONALLY SO! A law that can not be measured objectvely, as this one is, is like a gun in a kids hands: he can apply it as he
    sees fit, and since ‘might makes right’ and subjective motive is good
    enough to charge anyone with a hate-crime!

    The professed purpose of bad subjective laws like the Jewish ADL -terrorists dictated hate-crime they forced our cowardly treacherous governments
    to make by the Jewish money masters they are puppets of, even making
    the worst haters of all mankind, the Jews, to be excempt and immune for
    prosecution, as so called victims, is to destroy the church and the
    Christian.

    Their first way to do so is by bankrupting innocent accused
    by running them up a legal bill to prove their innocence of the
    accusations, which the blackdressed clowns can drag on for ever as they wish, when the accusations often can even be filed anonimously which proves that our
    authorities are guilty of beingthe very worst criminal organisation
    of the nation, and guilty of the very worst organised crime, starting with illegal,
    injust, unconstitutional laws!

  • Lesley58

    I guess the court has now designated parts of The Bible as a hate crime?

  • http://www.youtube.com/DutchLionFrans Dutch Lion Frans

    TO hell with the judges, the commission and the complete tyrannical circus! > Whatcott has now been ordered to pay $7,500 to two homosexuals who
    took offense at his flyers, as well as to pay the legal fees of the
    Human Rights Commission — which could cost him hundreds of thousands of
    dollars.

    • Robby Clewley

      The HRC is a non profit

      • Sientje Seinen

        The HRC is a joke

        • Robby Clewley

          Nope but YOU are.

  • http://www.youtube.com/DutchLionFrans Dutch Lion Frans

    Like I said in my earlier comments: This is what this subjective ADL- Jewish invented and pushed subjective hate-law is all about: To destroy the church and Christians by bankrupcy.

    I ask God: How do we turn back the tide and take back our nations from these devils and hang them all as punishment for their hughe crimes against humanity, or should we just suffer all this evil and injustice while waiting for your return after you think we suffered enough and their cup of iniquity is full. How much longer will that be, Lord?!

  • bruce wayne

    Thank you Canada for denouncing hatred cloaked in faith,
    I applaud your efforts and hope that one day your neighbor
    to the south follows suit.

    • Robby Clewley

      I hope the US does follow suit , you and I are about the only supporters of civil rights on here

    • Sientje Seinen

      it doesnt matter as it will only be a matter of time that the Lord Himself will descent with a shout and bring His wrath to bear upon those nations that wilfully mock Christ suffering as it was in the days of Noah, Lewdness and disgusting behaviour becoming the norm on our city streets

  • tolive

    The homosexual community’s insidious demanding of acceptance stems from violating one’s own conscience and ignoring the shame and guilt that result from doing so. Because they choose to turn from the truth they believe their shame, self loathing, guilt, suicide and so forth are the fault of society, therefore society must be changed. The increasingly rabid homosexual agenda will never be satisfied until all echoes of conscience are silenced. With the promoting of actions that war against the one’s own mind they will usher in further delusions upon a spiritually ignorant society. The searing of one own conscience is the true suicide.

  • Lex Luger

    This is great news. No longer will hateful bigots be able to hide behind their “holy” texts when they espouse their personal views and marginalizing of an entire group.

  • Jean-Marc in Canada

    Sigh, people always get the spelling wrong……it’s not ‘Bible’, it’s BUYBULL…..in keeping with its true meaning and use.

  • Robby Clewley

    Just watched a YouTube interview with this loon. He for sure committed hate crimes and should have received a prison sentence.

  • lynn hooker

    I find it interesting that those who support the homosexual lifestyle don’t have a problem with other sins listed in the Bible. Why is that? So, if YOU agree with certain portions of the Bible, then it is truth? Really? As far as Christian churches, the Metropolitan Community Church is NOT Christian. Far from it. Jesus paid a huge price to break the power of sin;s hold on us. To say He paid the price so we are FREE TO SIN is blasphemy. I am so grateful that a former gay man Joe Dallas left this ungodly church and is now sharing the agenda exposing the teaching s of this church. God’s love sent Jesus to the cross for us. To say He loves me just the way I am does NOT mean He accepts sin! This is clear ALL through the Bible. So, what do the gay leaders do? Change and twist Scripture. The Bible warns against doing so. Remember what Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery? “Go and sin no more.” Robby, I won’t argue with you and resort to all the anger and hatred you harbor towards God’s people. I feel bad for you. Like any other sin, sin has already done much damage to you. It is not worth it.

    • Robby Clewley

      If being LGBT is so horrible, where’s the Commandment Against Homosexuality? Adultery made the list, and last I heard, no one’s taken Newt Gingrich out into the town square and stoned him to death.

      Murder’s on there, and murder is an actual crime in almost every country on Earth. Stealing is also a crime and also a commandment. Coveting is pretty tame, in my opinion. Who among us hasn’t seen the new Lexus in our neighbor’s driveway and thought “Well, shit, I see Bob got another raise, wish I could afford a Lexus.”

  • Travis McCabe

    Sooner or later It seems God word will come a hate crime and this is Just one example, What is happening, Today you see even people filled with venom toward those who stand on biblical scripture foundation that the practice of homosexuality is sinful, even some people that call there self Christians! They also that claim to love Christ or be christians but Yet act like The world and have nothing but Ad hominems The good old your hateful your a bigot etc…. line for a example, People who rely on ad hominem who call there self christians, Just show one thing, they do not have a scriptural position of defense.

    • Robby Clewley

      Being gay isnt in 10 commandments , simple as that. Case closed

      • Travis McCabe

        a argument from silence is that all you have? you know sins are not limited to Just Jus “10”

        • Robby Clewley

          Travis , it must get lonely in your hateful bubble. I know I know , you are upset that SEVEN more states legalized gay marriage today. Need a hug? LOL

          • Travis McCabe

            Yeah resort to the ad hominem off the bat, that what your Good at, it just shows you do not have a solid scriptural defense for your position,

          • Robby Clewley

            Because the scriptures condemning homosexuality are no longer valid. Just like rape and child marriage back in those times are no longer the norm. Jesus is about LOVE , not judgment . There is no sin in a man and a man or woman and woman marrying . It has nothing to do with your life so why do you care .

          • Travis McCabe

            The scriptures that deal with homosexuality deals with sexual Morality which is forbidden in BOTH Old and NEW, sexuality immorality is universal command, God Love is not without His justice Not without His Holiness, Love and Let Love is not The love of God.

          • Robby Clewley

            so you never had sex outside of marriage or had lustful thoughts about a woman ? Oh so you had a talk with God today and he told you he was against gay marriage , not some opinion from a book ?

          • Travis McCabe

            I never had sex outside of marriage and I never been married and from someone who claims to be a christian and loves Jesus Christ, your going to call scripture which is the Only authority we have on Jesus ” opinion? does your church teach that scripture is just opinion but not God Breath? if not then Be warn and get out ofthat church, as for Lust Yes I would say I guilty but Here is the thing, someone that practices Homosexuality is someone who constant lives in that sin.

          • Robby Clewley

            So you never had a lustful or impure thought ever ? My church teaches the LOVE of Jesus Christ, not the hate and condemnation that the right wing churches teach. They uplift people and dont judge them.

          • Travis McCabe

            did you read anything that I said? where did I say I never had a lustful thought? and Also Pointing out sin for what it is, is not hateful, what would be hateful if I went on deceiving people thinking they Please God while living in sin, also Scripture where it says do not judge, it talking about hypocritical judging.

            Here is also what scripture says about Judgement

            Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment

            John 7:24

            righteousness is not continually living in sin Not saying we will not sin but it will not be our life style what defines us.

            No your church idea of Love is base On not Godliness or holiness But a type of Love that does not transform you, changes you into The Righteous of Christ, Your Love, Also about Judging you should read 1 cor 6

          • Robby Clewley

            Well you conservative Christians play all high and mighty and then judge us for being who we were born as . You act like you have no sin. I am not living in sin. I am in a monogamous relationship.

          • Travis McCabe

            Robby No I do not act like I have no sin, please show me where I even “sound” like that in my posts, also maybe you should read matthew 19 where Jesus explains marriage for what it is, and it not man with man.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you are not born that way, a lie once again from the devil as God would not create a person that way and make a law forbidding same. You do not know our Lord God, who send Christ for us to repent and turn back to the Lord God, you even mock the Lord God by saying you are born that way, you are spawns of satan doing his will.

          • Robby Clewley

            Yes we are born that way, the science proves so.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Jesus is not an agent of sin, can you get that into your head? you are mocking Christ suffering on calvary, by insisting on living your sinfull life, He came to call everyone to repentance and if you do not believe, then you are a spawn of satan doing the will of satan and holding Christ up as ridicule, and do not fear the wrath of God which will surely come upon you and your kind, then whom will you turn to then?

          • Robby Clewley

            We all live in sin , I am just being who I was created to be. I would never mock Christ , I pray everyday and Christ is a big part of my life. I have a fine relationship with him so dont need your opinion.

          • Sientje Seinen

            But you mock Christ suffering on Calvary it is precisely for this reason that He came. He bore the wrath of God for you sinfull behaviour. think about that next time, that you are putting nails in his hand and feet by wilfully disobeying the commandment of the Lord God of Israel whom sent Christ to bear the punishment for us, repent and sin no more.

          • Sientje Seinen

            oh gosh creepy this guy, you delight in causing grief to parents dont you?

          • Robby Clewley

            How do I cause grief to parents ? Please explain this.

      • Sientje Seinen

        yes it is commandment no 5 “honor thy father and mother so that thy days will be long in the land the Lord God giveth you.” You do not honour your parents but instead give them grief as most parents would love to hold their own grandchildren, how do you get away from this commandment? adoption isnt the answer as they are not of your own flesh and blood, so you decide to go bi, to fullfill this commandment?

        • Robby Clewley

          I have children so my parents got grandchildren to hold. Honor thou mother and father is to listen and honor your parents and my parents accepted me and never told me being gay was wrong.

  • canucklehead

    This is the correct ruling for a secular country. Believing in a religion does and should not give you the right to tell others how to live, especially those who don’t believe as you do. Whether or not your believe system supports homosexuality, it really is none of your business what other consenting adults do, and to project your own religious bias onto others is not unacceptable. Those who think homosexuality is wrong have the right to think so but pushing that belief onto others is not your right and is offensive.

  • Lisa Boone Sousley

    im sorry to say gay is a sin God made adam and eve not adam and steve whoever thinks homosexuality is ok then u need help ill pray for u all

  • http://google.com IntheCustodyofCarl’sJr.

    You haven’t heard hate speech until you listen to a gay activist slam Christians

  • anarchyst

    As much as homosexuals vehemently deny it, homosexuality and pedophilia are inextricably linked. Almost all homosexuals have had their first homosexual “experience” introduced to them by an ADULT homosexual as pre-teen males. This, in itself constitutes homosexual pedophilia and is a way to destroy a pre-teen child’s life.
    The so-called Roman Catholic priest “child abuse scandal” was actually homosexual pedophilia in action. Of course the “mainstream media” could not afford to offend the “homosexual community” by calling what it really was–thereby, the “play on words”, calling it “child sex abuse” rather than homosexual pedophilia–the true definition of their sordid behavior.
    I must play “devil’s advocate” when it comes to the Catholic church homosexual pedophilic priest “problem”…The Catholic church was “caught between a rock and a hard place” and had every right to be concerned about how many false claims would be made by those parishioners who belonged to the parish at the same time as this behavior was going on. Follow the money… Of course, there is (and was) absolutely NO EXCUSE for this homosexual pedophilic behavior…
    Sad to say, the homosexuals are at it again, encouraging the “psychiatric community” to change the definition of pedophilia from a psychiatric “disorder” to a mere “lifestyle”, not unlike what was done for homosexuality. Kinda sick, huh??

  • elephant4life

    I’ve heard of ex post facto laws, but don’t they think going back a couple of thousand years is a bit excessive?