Convention Unanimously Votes to Boot Congregation for Supporting Homosexuality

Danny CortezFRESNO, Calif. — The California Southern Baptist Convention Executive Board has unanimously voted to withdraw fellowship from a local Southern Baptist congregation after its minister announced his support for homosexuality.

As previously reported, Danny Cortez leads New Heart Community Church, a small congregation in the Los Angeles metropolitan area. Last year, Cortez concluded that he no longer agreed with the Bible’s condemnation of homosexuality and was instead “gay affirming.”

In a letter to a Patheos blogger, Cortez further explained that his 15-year-old son came out as a homosexual soon after he changed his mind on the issue. When his son broke the news, Cortez congratulated him.

“My heart skipped a beat and I turned towards him and we gave one another the biggest and longest hug as we cried,” he wrote. “And all I could tell him was that I loved him so much and that I accepted him just as he is.”

Several months later, Cortez surprised the New Heart Community Church congregation by announcing his pro-homosexual position. Cortez shared his personal belief that “the body of Christ is segregated every Sunday between gay affirming and non-gay affirming” Christians, and he exhorted Christians to embrace—not denounce—homosexual behavior.

After Cortez announced his change in beliefs, many expected the leaders of New Heart Community Church to dismiss him from the preaching position. However, Cortez announced in May that instead of dismissing him, church leaders voted to keep him on staff and re-categorize their church as a “Third Way” congregation, meaning that they would take no position on the issue.

But an unidentified former elder told Baptist Press on Friday that the congregation actually split over the matter. He said that there were four options presented: fire Cortez, consider the matter further, become “Third Way” or become a “gay-affirming” fellowship. The congregation was to separate if a two-thirds majority was not achieved, which the elder states, is what occurred. Those who sided with Cortez stayed with the congregation.

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On Thursday. the California Southern Baptist Convention Executive Board voted unanimously to boot New Heart Community Church from its fellowship for violating the Baptist Faith and Message, which reads, “Christians should oppose … all forms of sexual immorality, including adultery, homosexuality and pornography.”

“Should the pastor and congregation … reverse their current stance on homosexual practice and behavior, we would welcome the opportunity to discuss resuming fellowship with New Heart Community Church,” board chairman Montia Setzler told reporters. “I believe restoration is possible, and I think there would nothing but Kingdom joy if that were to happen.”

Some board members also prayed for Cortez in light of his position on homosexuality. It was the first time in 74 years that the board has removed a congregation from its fellowship.


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  • Robert Roche

    I am a gay man and a Minister in the Christian Church! I do not support the gay life-style and many thousands of gay Christians do not! It is our cross to beare with the help of Christ and the understanding of our brothers and sisters. God does not denounce us for being gay but he does denounce the act! Christ is more important to me!

    • Shane Andrews

      I have to confess sir, that makes absolutely no sense to me. Are you claiming that God made you homosexual, or that it isn’t your choice?

      • Robert Roche

        Did I say God gave it to me? No, did I say it was my choice? No so please work out for yourself how this can be! Thank you and please take your time!

    • Jeremy Grimes

      I wish more people understood the difference Robert. I applaud your strength and admire your courage. I look forward to meeting you in the great by and by 🙂

      • Robert Roche

        Thank you Jeremy, one sound brother amongst so many not Blessings.

        • Alexander Winston

          Seek therapy and an education. You are self loathing at best. You can be helped but not by a non-existent desert deity.

        • D. Jacobson

          Ignore alexis, she’s an gay.

          • Odd Jørgensen

            Moral absolutes? So I suppose you shun pork-products,shellfish,never do any work on the sabbath,and all your clothes are made from the same thread? How about trimming your beard,or the hair on the side of your head? All these things are abominations as well,just as homosexuality is in the bible. But i guess you want to have your cake(or bacon) and eat it too.

          • D. Jacobson

            Actually, yes. I do all of those things. Not that you were aiming to at all, but I’m impressed. Alexis otoh, always threatening people with telling the FBI or police for some online BS, ugh, disgusting little troll.

      • cherylmeril

        Another Satanist gay applauds another depraved gay man overriding Jesus Christ in this discussion. You are of a disgusting twisted sick brotherhood.

        • MC

          Did you not read Roberts post? He got out of the sin of homosexuality and lives for Christ now. You should be happy for him as he is a member of the Body of Christ.

        • MC

          Did you not read Roberts post? He got out of the sin of homosexuality and lives for Christ now. You should be happy for him as he is a member of the Body of Christ.

        • Jeremy Grimes

          I am applauding Roberts embracing the love of Jesus Christ and allowing the Holy Spirit to enter into his heart and life and bring him out of darkness. All have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. It is the admission of our brokenness and need of Christ to reconcile us to the Father that is the foundation of salvation. Name calling and condemnation is a doctrine of demons and have no place in the body. Satan knows the Word better than any human and he uses the Truth to tell lies. I will pray for Robert to remain strong in his faith in Jesus Christ to redeem him at judgment. Though we have never met, I know he is doing the same for me. May God bless and keep you

      • cherylmeril

        Another Satanist gay applauds another depraved gay man overriding Jesus Christ in this discussion. You are of a disgusting twisted sick brotherhood.

    • luis

      This does not make sense because God cares about whats in our heart, if u say in ur heart ur gay yhen u don’t see Gay as being a sin really, It’s a heart matter, not just an act, God can change the heart, this way of thinking isn’t right because then it confuses others who are struggling to leave that life style.. The act is the result of whats in the heart, so if ur a true minister you wouldn’t affirm that ur “Gay”. It’s like saying I’m an adulterer but God hates the act of adultery.. People can be adulterers at heart, so the heart must be dealt with, the sin in the inner part of us is what God cares about, keeping of the law will not help the hearr issue..

      • janmit63

        I am a Christian & you are very correct with your comment. One can not be a Christian & still proclaim one is gay even if one does not do the act, one still has it in ones heart. Therefore Robert I would not be able to attend any church you would preach at because you are not being honest with yourself. God will not accept you into his kingdom as long as you still proclaim to be gay. You need to step out from behind the pulpit until you truly ask God to forgive you & help you to get rid of your sin.

        • KenS

          janmit63, you miss the point here altogether, He is saying that the sin that he is tempted with the most in his spiritual walk with God is homosexuality, are you telling me that you do not have a sin that you get tempted with, if so you are a liar, we all have sins that we are tempted to do and through the power of the Holy Spirit we can have the victory, but when we do not rely on that power and try to go on our own, we are prone to fail and then need to ask for forgiveness, this does not make us non-christians, it makes us human and until we have our glorified bodies in heaven, we will have to keep pressing on toward the mark. Read I John 1:8-10 if you don’t believe me.

          • Sherry

            1 jOhn is clear 8the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil. 9No one who is born of God practices sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. 10By this the children of God and the children of the devil are obvious: anyone who does not practice righteousness is not of God,
            if your in sin and justifying sin then you are not of God for one who is truly saved of Christ will not remain in sin nor justify it ,One saved of Christ stands firmly on the truth of God and will show other the truth of sin. so they will not perish in it.

          • KenS

            Did you even read what he said, He said that he does NOT! I repeat NOT! practice the sin, he only recognizes the fact that he has these temptations but does not act upon them, that is NO different than any other christian having any lustful, sinful thoughts and not acting on them as well, just as I John 1:8-10 describes, did you even read that reference, if not here it is for you.
            8. If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

          • KenS

            In other words, he is being truly honest about his sinful nature and the battles he faces with satan on a daily basis as a christian. All Christians have these type of battles with satan whether you want to admit it or not. If you are not having these battles then chances are that satan already has you in some sin and therefore is leaving you alone cause he is already damaging your testimony with that sin. Satan attacks Christians daily in order to destroy their testimony so that it is harder to reach the lost.

          • janmit63

            I know he is being honest, but it still don’t change the fact he still has it in his heart & no satan does not have a hold of me at all.

          • Robert Hagar

            Wow, I wish I was blessed like you! Satan is fighting for dominance over me everyday.
            In thoughts, in deeds, in doubts about what God can do through me in Jesus name.
            I have to ask forgiveness every day!
            I John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
            I John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrigheousness.
            I John 1:10 if we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
            My soul is saved, and sin has no power over it .
            My flesh is still an agent of this world and needs to be controlled!
            I still have desires of the flesh.
            Those desires when acted on, do not further the work of the Kingdom of God, they bring shame and mockery apon the Savior.
            They incourage others to sin and destroy society, they teach our children the wrong way to live!
            I can get caught up in the looks of a woman, being a heterosexual male, and sin in my mind.
            A homosexual male can get caught up in the looks of a man. We both have to keep our bodies and minds under control, but when we sin, we have the precious blood of Jesus Christ to cleanse us from all unrigheousness!
            I John 2 starts : “My little children” John is talking to the children of God, not the children of the world.
            Verse 1My little children, these things I write unto you, that years sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

          • janmit63

            I swear you people don’t get what I am saying & I don’t know why it’s not rocket science. I never said we all don’t have sin. What I said was he is still living in the sin of homosexuality because he is still claiming to be a homosexual not an ex homosexual. He still has the desire of it in his heart. He can be completely free from it if only he ask God to remove it the he will proclaim he is an ex homosexual.

          • janmit63

            I swear you people don’t get what I am saying & I don’t know why it’s not rocket science. I never said we all don’t have sin. What I said was he is still living in the sin of homosexuality because he is still claiming to be a homosexual not an ex homosexual. He still has the desire of it in his heart. He can be completely free from it if only he ask God to remove it the he will proclaim he is an ex homosexual.

          • Robert Hagar

            Wow, I wish I was blessed like you! Satan is fighting for dominance over me everyday.
            In thoughts, in deeds, in doubts about what God can do through me in Jesus name.
            I have to ask forgiveness every day!
            I John 1:8 If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us.
            I John 1:9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrigheousness.
            I John 1:10 if we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.
            My soul is saved, and sin has no power over it .
            My flesh is still an agent of this world and needs to be controlled!
            I still have desires of the flesh.
            Those desires when acted on, do not further the work of the Kingdom of God, they bring shame and mockery apon the Savior.
            They incourage others to sin and destroy society, they teach our children the wrong way to live!
            I can get caught up in the looks of a woman, being a heterosexual male, and sin in my mind.
            A homosexual male can get caught up in the looks of a man. We both have to keep our bodies and minds under control, but when we sin, we have the precious blood of Jesus Christ to cleanse us from all unrigheousness!
            I John 2 starts : “My little children” John is talking to the children of God, not the children of the world.
            Verse 1My little children, these things I write unto you, that years sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.

          • Sherry

            If you pray for God to remove a temptation, he will do it 100% of the time.
            – Therefore, if he doesn’t remove the temptation, it isn’t a sin.

            That is transparently false. I could pray that God would eliminate every possible sin from my life. He could solve that by striking me dead, of course, but if He didn’t take away the desires then it wouldn’t be an excuse for me to sin.

            If you have given yourself over to homosexual behavior then it isn’t God you’ve moved closer to.

            Romans 1:26-28 For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in themselves the due penalty for their error. And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, God gave them up to a debased mind to do what ought not to be done.

            We are all sinners in need of a Savior. The solution isn’t to pretend that our sins aren’t sins. The solution is Jesus, who can forgive our sins and give us the Holy Spirit to transform us and to give us power over sin. Yes, we will still sin, as Romans 7 and other passages teach, but our lives will be transformed now and forever.
            WE do not act on temptations but if someone is having the desire and using the excuse because God did not take it away from them and they act on it and say it is okay that is a lie .That is the person giving into sin and blaming God because they have the desire.

          • KenS

            What you are saying is exactly what I and Robert have been saying. He has the desires/temptations to have sex with men, but through the Holy Spirit’s help he does not act upon those desires. How is that any different than what you described above.

            Also, who are you quoting in your first two sentences, because it definitely wasn’t me. I never once made any such claim…

          • Sherry

            Then this is what Janet is saying too but she is saying as I do that if he would pray to take the desire away God will help remove the desire. this is from a teaching article so he was quoting. to show that God will remove the desire but that the LGBT community trys to use the argument since God did not remove the desire they are justified to sin , this of course is a lie they are not following God then but their own desire . All should pray that the temptation and desire is removed. but yes they should never act on it and justify it. this man is trying to justify the sin and allow the church to go against God they have to be put out of the church when they do that.

          • KenS

            God does not always take the desire away. And you are correct to say that just because he doesn’t does not give you the license to sin. I still do not understand why you replied with this to my comment.

          • Sherry

            I guess we don’t understand why you are disagreeing with this post for the church did the right thing in departing from this church as they had too for they wanted to push and okay sin. and Gods word is clear you correct them and if they will not take correction then remove them , they did as the word of God commanded this was the right thing

          • Sherry

            If we are in agreement we should just let it remain there. We are to always do as the word of God says and the SBC did.

          • KenS

            I was never in disagreement with the article, I was in disagreement with the attacks on Robert for him admitting that he has this sinful nature as well and doesnt act on it. He stated that God hates the sin and not the sinner and he was attacked. The convention did the right thing because this pastor and church were condoning this participation in the sin, which is clearly wrong. I applaud the convention for taking this stand. Sorry for the confusion.

          • Sherry

            That is what I thought there was confusion and misunderstanding ,no problem at all have a great day. We are in agreement the convention did the right thing

          • Robert Hagar

            We sometimes have to live with the desires of the flesh!
            God sometimes uses them to teach us to be patient and trust in His salvation.
            We think we have to keep our salvation, we can’t! It is impossible to do, because of the temptation of the flesh.
            God is going to be shown victorious in winning the battle over sin , flesh, and the devil.
            You will be shown victorious, through faith, believing in the saving power of Jesus Christ.
            Salvation is a free gift! That was paid for by the shed blood of Jesus Christ.
            It is eternal, because Christ is eternal. Ephesians 2:8-9 for by grace are you saved through faith and that not of yourselves it is a gift of God not of works lest any man should boast.
            The power of Jesus Christ is so awesome! The word repent means ; to go into another direction or change your mind.
            The homosexual person that changes his mind and in the flesh does his best to be free from the temptation is just as righteous as anyone else that deals with fleshy desires.
            My salvation is not in my flesh. It is in the power of God!

          • janmit63

            Yes I did read what he wrote & just because he says he does not practice the sin he still has the sin in his heart & is not repentant & he has not asked God to remove it therefore he is still living the sin in his heart. Yes we all sin but the difference is whether we still have the sin in our hearts.

          • janmit63

            John see I don’t have sin in my heart because I do not desire to live in sin, but this pastor is still proclaiming he is gay therefore he is still living in sin in his heart.

          • KenS

            No he is not, he is stating that the besetting sin that he has to deal with and say no to on a daily basis is homosexuality, to others it may be smoking, drinking, lusting after women, lying, cheating, stealing, anger, etc…, you dont see people calling them out and saying that they are not a Christian because they have this battle with sin.

          • MC

            You, like everyone else, Christian or not, has the sin nature. We are ALL born with it, but through Jesus Christ we are forgiven but we ALL still have it. If you say you don’t sin then yes, you are a liar and you are calling God a liar. Our very being is sinful, just being alive in this world is sinful. Only Jesus Christ is sinless.

          • janmit63

            I never said we all don’t have sin nature what I said was God removed the desire for me to cuss. Since Robert still proclaims to be a homosexual & not an ex homosexual he still has the desire for this sin in hie heart thats the difference.

          • MC

            You’re wrong. He’s no different than an alcoholic who can have a lifelong desire to drink. And, homosexual ACTS are a sin, if he’s not committing the acts then he’s not sinning.

          • janmit63

            No I am correct, yes he is different because he still has the desire to sin in his heart even though he is not committing the acts. And there is no more need to respond because I am wiping the dust off my feet of you.

          • MC

            No, you’re wrong. We ALL have the sin nature in our hearts, he has been saved by grace, he no longer commits the sin of homosexual acts! You can wipe, clean, and use bleach on your dirty feet all you want but you are still WRONG!

          • janmit63

            No I am not wrong I am 110% correct. You people are just grasping at straws because you can not understand the difference between sin nature & the desire to sin in ones heart. I will never be wrong about this & you can stop responding because i am wiping the dust from my feet with you too.

          • MC

            Yawn… You are wrong. You know nothing about Scripture so all you’re doing is embarrassing yourself further. A humble person admits they never cease learning about God. ALL Christians are on a daily battle against sinning because we are born with the sin nature. YOU are NOT sinless, YOU have sin in YOUR heart! It’s only through God’s Grace are we forgiven. It’s only through God’s Strength that we can repent and turn away from our sins on a daily basis. That man turns away from his sins everyday through the strength that God gives him, God knows his heart and is smiling when that man resists evil. You have no idea what that man goes through, you don’t know his heart so you can put away your silly crystal ball. And while you’re at it, you can also put away your silly fallacious argument based on emotion instead of biblical facts.

          • janmit63

            YAWN No I am not wreong Yes i do know all about the scripture & I am far from embarrassing myself. I never said I was sinless so do not try to put words in my mouth. One can not claim to still be gay & claim to ask God to remove this sin. Oh yes I do & he is wrong. it has not 1 thing to do with emotions but Biblical facts.

          • D. Jacobson

            Exactly. I’m not a Christian, so I the idea of thoughts being sinful is foreign to me. For Jews, actions are the things that make one sinful. Now, maybe as a Christian, he really can’t even think these things. I’m glad that’s not my struggle. I feel badly for him.

          • KenS

            I don’t think you meant this comment for me, cause I was defending him..

        • James Grimes

          This is a very mean-spirited comment. The man does recognize the sin in his life and has repented. To be Gay and celibate and to focus one’s life on Christ is not sin.

          • janmit63

            No it’s not it’s the truth. He is not repentant because he has not asked God to deliver him from his sin. Let me put it this way I used to cuss like a sailor, but I ask God to deliver me from that sin & He has as I no longer have the desire to cuss, do I some times let 1` slip when angry sure but it’s not because I have the desire to do it. Thats the difference.

          • James Grimes

            I won’t argue with you. You have a closed mind. You insist on judging the man when you have no right to do so.

          • janmit63

            I am not arguing with you either I am being truthful & thats a fact whether you accept it or not. No I am not closed minded I am being truthful. I have the right to judge him righteously which is what I am doing.

          • KenS

            Then I will judge you by your own admission. You said that you still let a cuss word slip now and again, therefore sin is still in your heart as well and you are a sinner!!!!! We all are and will be until we have our glorified bodies in heaven.

          • KenS

            Because as Matthew 12:34 says, “O generation of vipers, how can ye,being evil speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh.” As I and many others have already said, our sin nature is in our heart and will be until we are glorified with our new heavenly bodies, This is why we must pick up our cross daily and die to self daily which is what Robert has clearly demonstrated that he does in his very first post.

          • janmit63

            No I do not still have sin in my heart because I don’t proclaim to be a cusser like he proclaimed to be gay. I proclaim to be an ex-cusser big difference. As for you judging me it don’t matter because your judgment of me is void

          • KenS

            You are deceiving yourself, as John says in in I John 1:8-10, and Jesus says in my quote from Matthew 12:34 “…for out of the abundance of the HEART the mouth speaketh” emphasis added. If after reading that scripture and by your own admission to speaking with your mouth cuss words, you can not see that sin is in your heart as well, then you are spiritually blind and have no discernment. Also, I was making a point by saying I will judge you by your own admission because of your statement that you have the right to judge him righteously.

          • janmit63

            No I am not deceiving myself. you are not getting what I am saying. What I am saying is I no longer have that sin in my heart because God took it away from me. God also realizes that people some times says things in anger & yes we have to ask for forgiveness. But this man is still proclaiming to be gay therefore he has not even asked God to remove this sin from him. No I am not spiritually blind because I have no desire to cuss & i do not still proclaim to be a cusser thats the difference. If you can’t get that then thats your problem not mine. so you can just stop because you are not going to win this one with me. I happen to be a Blood Brought Pentecostal Christian.

          • Joe W.

            When you ‘slip’ and curse, where, if not from your heart, do the curse words come? As a Blood Brought Pentecostal Christian, you would be well advised to study your faith and seek the guidance of your Pastor. Hypocrisy is a sin, as well, you know?

          • janmit63

            It comes from anger not desire. thats what you are not getting. FYI my pastor’s say the same thing & trust me they know a lot more than you do. And it’s got nothing to do with hypocrisy.

          • KenS

            Need I remind you again of this verse: Matthew 12:34 “…for out of the abundance of the HEART the mouth speaketh” emphasis added. that sure sounds like desire to me, where do desires come from, the heart of course

          • janmit63

            You can keep going on & on about this but you will still be wrong. No it is not desire I hate cussing & will not even listen to it on tv & if I have friends that cuss I will call them on it so no I do not have that desire any more so get over it you are not going to win this one with me.

          • Joe W.

            Sorry to get you riled up, Jan. Wouldn’t want you to get angry and curse. Speaking of anger, where does your anger originate, if not from your ‘heart’? I not the heart the source of all emotion? In addition, since you do not know me, nor do you know my background, education or any other fact about me, how can you say, in all honesty, that your pastors ‘know a lot more than I”??
            You appear to be ill-informed, under educated and, yes, quite hypocritical.

            I’ll keep you in my prayers, Jan, in the hopes that you will seek the truth about sin, repentance and redemption.

            You may wish to include your pastors in your search. Bless you.

          • janmit63

            I am mot riled up. my anger comes from the devil & no I do not always let the curse word out as I do catch myself before I say it but that still does not mean I still have the desire to do so. How do I know my pastor’s know more than you do because they are the worlds leading Evangelist & have lead more people to Christ than any one. No you are the one who is ill informed, undereducated & hypocritical. I already know the truth you do not. I already know all about my Pastors so no need to search for them. And as i said you can stop trying to justify this because you are not going to get my to by your garbage.

          • Joe W.

            If you catch yourself before uttering the curse word, that means the word is in your heart and mind. Just because you don’t say it, does not mean it’s not there, right?? By your logic, you are full of sin, Jan. Anger, too.

          • janmit63

            Incorrect. And no I am of full of that sin or anger as everyone gets angry every once in a while. You people can sit here & argue about this all you want you will always be wrong.

          • ddo2013

            I wondered if anybody would catch that. Kudos to you. And notice how your judgment of jammit63 doesn’t matter so how does her judgment of Robert matter. I think it’s a case of the pot calling the kettle black in her case as well as having a double standard

          • janmit63

            Wrong my judgment matters because I happen to be a Blood Brought Pentecostal Christian.

          • ddo2013

            no, you are not judging him righteously nor are you judging him by Biblical standards. You do not know the man’s heart; how do you know he has not repented. Your theology is wrong and it’s theology like yours that turns people away from listening to the gospel. Get out of the judging line, you’re not qualified

          • janmit63

            Yes I am judging him righteously & also by biblical srtandards, had he said i am an ex gay pastor then i would say yes he has asked God to remove this sin from him, but he clearly said he is gay therefore he did not ask God to remove this sin from him. Therefore his heart still has this sin in it. No my theology is correct & if people turn from it, it is because they do not want to accept the truth. And no I will not stop judging anyone who’s heart is still in sin & I am more than qualified being a Blood Brought Pentecostal Christian. You people need to stop trying to justify this mans sin.

          • KenS

            No one is trying to justify any sin here, the fact the man says that he does not act on the lusts shows that the man is not sinning just as much as when you let a cuss word slip and immediately ask for forgiveness, it is the same thing…,.Your acccidental slip and his lust are one and the same, actually, I think he has more of the victory than you do, because as soon as the desire comes to him, he denies it, but when you have the desire to cuss, you say it then ask for forgiveness.

          • Joe W.

            You are spot on, Ken. The Bible is clear on this. We must recognize our sin, repent of it, ask forgiveness for it, beg for God’s strength and Grace that we not repeat it, and then live our lives in an honest effort to not commit the sin. Mr. Roche is living righteously and janmit63 plays the role of the hypocrite here.

          • KenS

            thank you Joe, that is what I have been trying to get jamnit63 to see

          • janmit63

            Yes you are. Just because he does not act on it does not mean diddly squat he still claims to be gay therefore he still has the desire to do this sin. Now as i said if he had said he is an ex gay that would be different. No it’s not & no he don’t & I don’t always let the cuss word come out & I catch myself before I do say it, but I still do not have the desire to cuss in my heart like this man obviously does. and as I said you can all stop trying to justify this mans sin because it’s not going to stop the fact that what I am saying is the truth whether you accept it or not.

          • ddo2013

            buzz off

          • janmit63

            Nope.

          • ddo2013

            nope, on the issue at hand, you are absolutely wrong and you need to get rid of the smug, self-righteous, “holier than you” attitude; if you want to continue preaching then go preach to the choir, maybe they’ll listen to your antics, but not this one. No need for you to respond, as you said earlier to someone else, your judgment is void and invalid to me. It does not meet Biblical standards. Get over yourself and quit passing judgment that is not yours to make. God judges the heart, NOT YOU.

          • janmit63

            Yup I am absolutly correct & there is no smug, self righteous holier than thou attitude. And I will preach where ever I please you do not have to listen. My friend Sherry even confirmed that what I am saying is correct. Yes I do meet Biblical standards you do not & I will pass righteous judgement as God allows me to, so get over it.

          • ddo2013

            lol, because sherry says it that makes it true. Ah, yes, apparently I’ve been worshipping the wrong Holy One of Israel all these years. I suppose I’m now supposed to bow the knee to what sherry says. Yeah right. No wonder today’s brand of Christianity has changed to the Laodicean church.

          • janmit63

            No it’s correct because God says it’s correct Sherry just confirmed what i said was as God say, so get over your self. Because both Sherry & I do not preach lukewarn garbage. No we haven’t.

          • ddo2013

            and you’re still not teaching what God says. So go ahead and continue with the false judgment; you’re the one who has to answer for it. No further need to converse, I’ve already shaken the dust off my feet against you.

          • janmit63

            Yes I am teaching as God did you just refuse to accept it. and i will continue with my righteous judgment. No you are the one who will have to answer for not understanding Gods word. And you are right there is no more need to converser because I dust my feet against you & your false preaching.

          • MC

            Agreed! Her and “Sherry” are the blind leading the blind.

          • MC

            You are nothing but a self righteous Pharisee! The man does not commit the sin of homosexual acts, God has given him the strength to overcome his desires, God is definitely smiling on that man. You on the other hand need to humble yourself, you need to learn about Grace, and you need to learn how to exegete Scripture. You lady are a clanging cymbal!

          • janmit63

            You can call me whatever you want but you are just fooling yourself. I am neither self righteou nor am I a pharisee. you are just ignorant when it comes to this. He clearly said he is gay therre fore he still has the desire to commit this sin, So just because he does not act upon it does not change the fact he still has the desire so yes he still has sin in his heart. Oh I know all about grace you do not & i know how to exegete Scripture you do not. You are an ignorant fool, And do not bother to respond because I am wiping my feet of you.

          • MC

            I’m getting a feeling you suffer from a mental illness, maybe paranoid schizophrenia?

            “You are an ignorant fool”

            22”But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother shall be guilty before the court; and whoever says to his brother, ‘You good-for-nothing,’ shall be guilty before the supreme court; and whoever says, ‘You fool,’ shall be guilty enough to go into the fiery hell.

            Looks like the sin in your heart is hate and anger.

          • janmit63

            Nope no mental illness here my mind is very clear. Nope I can call you out & repent in 30 seconds.

          • MC

            One who knows they are going to sin, and then commits that sin that was in their heart, think they can just repent? It doesn’t work that way, you can’t just sin thinking you’re going to be forgiven. You’re using God like he’s a “forgiveness” Pez dispenser. This is how I know you have no idea what you’re talking about when it comes to Scripture. The sin in your heart is hate and anger. Oh, and most people who have mental illness have no idea they suffer from it.

          • janmit63

            Wrong because I still do not have the desire to do that sin. Yes it does because once you are A Blood Brought Christian God will always forgive you unless you turn away from him which i have not & never will. Oh yes i do know what i am talking about when it comes to scripture you do not. And i know more about mental illness than you ever will & and nope still wrong no mental illness here just one of God’s children speaking his word.

          • MC

            “And i know more about mental illness than you ever will”

            Yes, something tells me you know all about it firsthand.

            Romans 8:1-2 (NASB)
            [Ro 1]
            Therefore there is now no condemnation for those
            who are in Christ Jesus.
            [2] For the
            law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin
            and of death.

            That’s for Robert!

          • janmit63

            No I don’t know about it because I have it. I know about it because i have family members who are dealing with it, so you can keep on going on assuming I have it but you will still just be grasping at straws. (Proverbs 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?) My heart is clean from my sin of cussing, Roberts is not clean from his sin of homosexuality because he still proclaims to be a homosexual. (Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.)

          • janmit63

            No I don’t know about it because I have it. I know about it because i have family members who are dealing with it, so you can keep on going on assuming I have it but you will still just be grasping at straws. (Proverbs 20:9 Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin?) My heart is clean from my sin of cussing, Roberts is not clean from his sin of homosexuality because he still proclaims to be a homosexual. (Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.)

          • MC

            “And i know more about mental illness than you ever will”

            Yes, something tells me you know all about it firsthand.

            Romans 8:1-2 (NASB)
            [Ro 1]
            Therefore there is now no condemnation for those
            who are in Christ Jesus.
            [2] For the
            law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin
            and of death.

            That’s for Robert!

          • janmit63

            Wrong because I still do not have the desire to do that sin. Yes it does because once you are A Blood Brought Christian God will always forgive you unless you turn away from him which i have not & never will. Oh yes i do know what i am talking about when it comes to scripture you do not. And i know more about mental illness than you ever will & and nope still wrong no mental illness here just one of God’s children speaking his word.

          • MC

            Whoever this friend Sherry of yours is is wrong like you are. If your pastor is teaching this to you then you need to go to a new Church, one that actually teaches what the Bible says.

          • janmit63

            No we are not & my pastor is very well known & he knows what he is talking about & he happens to preach the cross. I would believe what he says over some one like you. So no I do not need to go to a new church. You need a come to Jesus meeting.

          • MC

            “ I would believe what he says over some one like you.”

            Someone like me? LOL! The retort of the truly desperate.

          • janmit63

            Who’s desperate not me My pastor knows Gods word & he is the one who preached this so therefore I would trust him over you.

          • Joe W.

            That is incorrect. As an alcoholic, I quit drinking on April 3, 1990, nigh on 25 years ago. There is not a day that passes that I do not have the desire to drink. But for the Grace of God and the Blood of Jesus on the Cross at Calvary, I have succeeded in denying those daily urges. Homosexuality is no different, in my view. I would be honored to attend services led by Robert Roche.

          • janmit63

            Incorrect if you in fact ask God to remove the desire to drink he will still do so. Therefore you too still have this sin in your heart. Oh you can attend his fake services but it’s not going to do you any good.

          • Joe W.

            I truly feel sorry for you, madam. There have been several good people attempting to bring you up to speed on the issues regarding sin, repentance, redemption and all aspects of same.

            You are a narrow minded, pompous fool, having the audacity to assume that you know what God will or will not do. The fact is that people ask God for many things, and God does not always provide them. I would like a new car, for example. Yet I still drive my 1990 Isuzu Trooper.

            What, in your learned opinion, would be ‘fake’ about Rev. Roche’s services? We would all love to know.

          • janmit63

            I feel sorry for you because you refuse to accept the truth. No you people are trying to get me to justify this mans sin & I will never do that. Wrong you are the narrow minded pompous fool, I know because my Pastors say the same thing. Of course God don’t answer all our prayers as we would like but He will always remove the desire to sin if it comes from your heart. Because he still proclaims to be gay.

          • MC

            Jan has NO discernment or biblical knowledge at all. She has no knowledge of Grace. She’s a village fundamentalist.

          • Joe W.

            Sadly, this is true. Ironically, I subscribe to the daily Bible verse from Bible Gateway, where I receive a single verse in my e-mail for me to ponder. This is todays:

            Do not let any unwholesome talk come out of your mouths, but only what is helpful for building others up according to their needs, that it may benefit those who listen.

            Ephesians 4:29

            Folks like Jan make this difficult…Have a great day, my friend..

          • Joe W.

            You have no sin then, because, even though you cuss now and again, you ask God to deliver you. Right? And according to you, even though I may still desire to drink, the fact that I have not had a drop in 25 years means I have plenty of sin? You are flat out crazy, lady. Seek help. We’ll pray for y’all…

          • janmit63

            Incorrect you people are not getting what I am saying, I clearly said I do not have the desire to commit this sin. Lord I would have more success talking to a brick wall. No I am not crazy you are just misinformed you need to seek the Lord & pray for yourself not me.

          • Joe W.

            If you did not have the desire to curse, the words would never come into your heart or your mind. That, by definition, is ‘desire’. Uttering the curse word in your mind is no different than uttering it out loud. according to your theology.

          • janmit63

            Yes they would because we all say things in anger we do not mean. I do not utter them in my mind. You can just stop trying to justify this because i have said you will still be wrong & your going on about it is not going to change the fact Robert is still living with this desire in his heart

          • Joe W.

            We all do? Hmmmm. Whatever you say, Mother Superior. Since you have declared everyone wrong, I’ll just leave you with your ‘victory’. God bless you. I doubt anyone else will… LOL

          • James Grimes

            You need to go and stop wasting our time.

          • janmit63

            You need to go & stop condoning sin.

          • Joe W.

            As a matter of fact, to be gay and choose celibacy is righteous.

        • Bo Hanan

          YOU ARE WRONG!
          And it’s your ignorance that makes it hard for people like Robert.
          God condemns the sin, not the sinner.
          Before you try to preach- get your facts together.
          Reading a KJV Bible is a good place to start.

          • janmit63

            NO I AM NOT WRONG & you can sit there & say that all you want but it’s not going to make it so. No it’s Robert who makes it hard on himself by proclaiming to be gay yet is not truly saved. I have my facts together & I am reading the KJB infact it’s the best study Bible one can buy written by my very famous Pastor.

      • Robert Roche

        Please use your brain that God gave you!

        • Alexander Winston

          It wasn’t god. You aren’t using yours.

      • Jeremy Grimes

        That is pop-theology and heretical. The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked Jeremy 17:9. It is the source of sin. It is where the seed of sin is planted that matures into behavior by being mulled over in the mind. Being gay is not a sin. It is the cross that they are to bear. Just as we all have our crosses to bear. All different, all difficult, all requiring Gods help to carry

      • jmichael39

        You’re talking semantics. He (and I) is speaking as an alcoholic would speak even though he has not had a drink in years. We all are, by our Adamic nature, sinners. Even those of us saved by grace. Until such day as we put off these corruptible, mortal bodies, we will always be dealing with the natural urge to sin. How that sin manifests itself varies from person to person.

        • KenS

          Exactly! Amen

        • luis

          I am very aware of what he is saying, i was a drug addict, alcoholic, fornicator, pervert, and etc..and also going mentally insane but the Lord Jesus supernaturally healed my mind and heart, of course we are not free from sin, we are in process till our bodies are redeemed when Christ comes, it’s an identity war and it’s not good to label urself as the old you, thats a curse, i wouldn’t call myself a drug addict anymore or alcoholic, everyone gets tempted, but God gives new desires and a new heart and it’s very possible to be free in Christ, what i don’t agree with is the affirming that one is gay, it further confuses those who really want to be ser free from that lifestyle.. Don’t conform to that identity, satan loves attacking identities, we are in Gods image, i understand that homosexuality is a harder process because its very intertwined with identity and past issues like sexual abuse, i know it ain’t easy and there is power in the blood of Jesus to break the chains, i say this with strong sentiment, may God break the chains and have mercy on those struggling, there will be victory! For He has over come this world! God bless you all..

          • jmichael39

            I’m quite sure you know that you and he are not disagreeing in any way, shape or form. Its purely semantics. You’re not in disagreement at all. I understand your reasoning. So my suggestion is to just let it be a semantics thing.

        • The Lone Ranger

          1 John 3 (KJV)

          3 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not.

          2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.

          3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.

          4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.

          5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

          6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.

          7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.

          8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil…..In him is no sin are we in him ? That is the question if we are then there is no sin in us yes we fail to keep the law which is sin but it is not accounted to us for sin because he took them away on the cross
          Galatians 3:6
          Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness…..
          Romans 6:6
          Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin.

          • jmichael39

            what’s your point?

      • http://www.payatasmissionoutreach.org/ Jack Wilson

        That is a conclusion but not a logical one. How would that justify those trying to over come Alcohol or drugs? The truth is, homosexuality is aanother sin that tempts those weak in that area. People need to be disciplined and not give in to their wanton lusts

        • Alexander Winston

          Logical fallacy arguments. False equivalence.

          • D. Jacobson

            You realize that you’re attacking Christianity on a Christian website, right?

    • Robert LaRochelle

      Cool name, btw.

      • Robert Roche

        Your right about the name bro! Cool!

    • luis

      I say this from my heart that if one told me they where struggling with homosexuality i would never condemn them, we are all sinners, that’s there struggle, i wouldn’t judge them, i would tell them what they probably know already that it’s a sin and they must repent, we must honor Gods word because He knows best even when we don’t understand, that person just needs to come to Christ and Christ will begin the work, our life in Christ is more than just sexual identity and lusts thats flesh, God will heal the sexual identity, that person needs to get close to God and read His word, die to himself, loose our life for Christ sake, start walking in the Spirit and praying, God is not powerless..

      • The Lone Ranger

        Amen

      • Alexander Winston

        Gay people exist and are fine. Your god is fiction. Christ is a mythological character.

        • D. Jacobson

          Your gay lifestyle choices are sad and revolting. The fact that you have little to do but harass people on line shows what a pathetic little sjw you think you are. go back to your “acting” job and let people make their own choices, alexis.

    • career desperado

      Very well said. God bless you!

      • Robert Roche

        Thank you and bless you!

      • Alexander Winston

        No, it is desperately sad.

        • career desperado

          I am sorry for you at judgement. You need the protection of prayer since your soul will call you out. It is heaven or hell then. I’m supporting you even you your regrettable error. Peace.. Even in your regrettable error.

      • D. Jacobson

        alexis is a gay porn star and is bitter that there are people who have behavioral standards.

    • jmichael39

      Thank you, Robert. I am a sexually immoral man. But only by the grace of God do I not live that lifestyle. In my own strength I have no power to live a holy life…only by the grace of the Holy Spirit do I live in right relationship with God our Father.

    • james

      Glad to hear you say that brother…We all have our burdens and sins to bear. I used to think I was destined to be a slave to lust until I find freedom in Jesus Christ. Now its an honor to surrender my self daily and crucify this flesh. For we all have sin within us that needs to be mortified! For some its pride, others its selfish behavior that cares not about others. For others its many things. We are all in our walk at different stages and must put on the full armor of God, deny ourselves (Our sin and selfish ways) and pick up the cross and follow Christ! For Jesus is the only way……I suggest reading the Pilgrim’s progress and Ephesians 6….God bless!

      • KenS

        This is exactly what he described that he does by being celibate, he is picking up his cross and denying himself daily.

    • edward emmell

      Show some reverence for God and step down from the pulpit do not defile it with your presence Leviticus 18:22, Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable( abomination). “Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion” (Romans 1:26-27) God is very clear how he feels about this sin. You can’t justify it. I don’t think Jeremy will meet you in the by and by unless he is going to hell! I can’t even believe you are saved. Repent from this evilness ask God to for give you and turn from this evil lifestyle.

      • KenS

        By his own comments he has already done this. He states that he does not commit those sins because he loves Christ more.

      • Alexander Winston

        Can you share the definition of abomination in the Biblical sense of the word?

    • pretap

      Thanks Mr. Roche, now if only the Pastor realized and supported God’s true Word as well. To me at least, it seems as if these Pastors are saying, “it’s about the love of my child, so I’ll give up what I thought was right about the Bible instead”. Why can’t they love their child(ren) even if they don’t agree with the way things are, by the Word?? Help us Jesus?

    • Alexander Winston

      What? Why lie? You aren’t gay. Sexual orientation is not a lifestyle. Religion is a lifestyle.

      • D. Jacobson

        They are both choices: religion and sexual acts.

    • Hanakokolele

      Robert you still consider yourself a homosexual. 1 Corinthians 6:9 God says homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. There were homosexuals in the Corinthians church, but scripture says they were cleansed by God
      We must firmly assert that those who seek the untenable label of “homosexual Christian are in reality robbin people of the hope that this passage announces.
      God is love. Absolutely. Unfortunately, many forget that God Almighty is “holy”. He will no allow His love that His holineness condemned.

    • Lynda Janzen

      Good on you, brother. Jesus said to the harlot, “your sins are forgiven, now go and sin no more.” God bless you in your walk with Him.

    • Hanakokolele

      Robert you need to repent and turn to God now. Scripture says you will not go to heaven because you fail to leave the homosexual lifestyle, act or not.
      If you are a child of God, than you should be a new creature in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17). There is not such thing as a homosexual new Creature in Christ.

    • Brooke

      If you are not engaging in the act, why do you continue to call yourself a gay man? I don’t go around calling myself a murderer, an adulterer, a prideful, hateful, self-centered liar – though I have sinned in all these ways, and more! I have been born again. Christ lives in me and forgives me. The Holy Spirit convicts me when I do wrong and comforts me when I’ve been wronged. Surely, as a Christian, you can say the same!

      • JudeThree

        this is an article about homosexuality, him identifying with that makes perfect sense. when they have an article about shallow judgmental people, you can join in.

        • Brooke

          And when they have an article about being an ignorant, lying, bitter, unforgiving, small minded name caller rather than an adult who is asking legitimate questions to further understanding, YOU can join in.

          • JudeThree

            well dear, you didn’t ask a question, you presented a rhetorical statement so you could blather on with your judgmental opinion. My question to you is, if you are a murderer, a self centered liar and hateful, why are you not in prison.

          • Brooke

            My question was, if you are not engaging in the act, why do you continue to call yourself a gay man?

            And, yes, I have done the things I said and you confirmed. But
            our current laws do not send people to prison for the sins I’ve committed. Crazy as it seems, they are not crimes! Eternity in hell, however, would absolutely be my fate without forgiveness from/in Jesus Christ.

        • Robert Roche

          Thanks. I adore you! Blessings

    • cherylmeril

      You should not be referring yourself as “gay” as a saved Christian. You should know by now God didn’t create gays or lesbians, that exists in Satan’s kingdom. If you were truly saved you wouldn’t be defining yourself with that label but instead say you were once gay but are now saved through the blood of Christ. You’r seeking attention for yourself defining as “gay” is narcissism, seeking attention and honor for yourself. You should be ashamed, not proud, to have such a depraved label you’ve associated yourself with. You disgrace Jesus assigning that label to yourself.

      • JudeThree

        You disgrace the name of Christ by being judgmental. You are just filled with hate and bitterness aren’t you? you hide behind many
        different names and aliases, hate pours from your heart to your blogs
        and it goes on and on. You have have
        had restraining orders placed and you have served jail time for
        harassment. If YOU were truly saved I would think you would live
        according to the word of God, not your own lusts.

      • Robert Roche

        What a very nasty person you are and from other comments you have mental problems too. I forgive you and in my daily prayers. Love you!

    • cherylmeril

      You should not be referring yourself as “gay” as a saved Christian. You should know by now God didn’t create gays or lesbians, that exists in Satan’s kingdom. If you were truly saved you wouldn’t be defining yourself with that label but instead say you were once gay but are now saved through the blood of Christ. You’r seeking attention for yourself defining as “gay” is narcissism, seeking attention and honor for yourself. You should be ashamed, not proud, to have such a depraved label you’ve associated yourself with. You disgrace Jesus assigning that label to yourself.

    • darkmurano

      Robert even though you do not comit the perersion acts of homosexuality, there is still the issue of repentennce. You can’t go to heaven as a homosexual. 2 Cor 5:17 says about being a new creature in Christ. You are not a new creature in Christ.

      • Robert Roche

        Thank you for your judgement of me! Not sure you have a clue of who and what Jesus is, you may know scripture but He is in my heart. I am a new creation but He has not taken away my sexual orientation. Are ALL Christians never tempted or sin once they accept Christ into their lives? Only a lair would say they where not! Think on that before you assume to know me or my heart!

        • Hanakokolele

          Robert a new creature in Christ means “A New Creature in Christ. Your old creature, your sexual orientation, cannot follow you into your New Creature. The homosexuals in the Corinthians church (1 Cor 6:9-10) were washed from their sin by God. Sexual orientation is a rebellion against God who created you as a “male” in your mother’s womb with a free choice in life. There is no room for sexual orientation in the New Creature in Christ.
          Robert, all Christians, including myself, are tempted by sin. But since we are “In Christ Jesus” and believed what He did for us on the cross, God looks at us as though we never sin at all. Jesus Christ took our past, present and future sin and nail it to the cross (our old selves). This is God’s Grace Robert. God is love. Absolutely. But many have forgotten that God is Holy. He will not allow His love that His holiness condemned.

    • edward emmell

      You say you are gay and a minister. yet you don”t support gay life style. Just stop this life style. Know one forces you to sleep with a man you choose to do this with your free will as with your free will you can choose not to.

  • C Fowler

    Good for them and their decision. They are right, you can’t be a true God fearing Christian and believe in homosexuality just because you have a friend or family member that is one. God does forgive but you have to ask for that forgiveness. God loves everyone but he does not love the sin.

    • Alexander Winston

      believe in? is that like believing in being left handed or blue eyed?

    • D. Jacobson

      The gay porn star that responded to you does little but go around insulting people of faith. Flag the troll, please.

  • D.Kermott

    Mr. Cortez is rationalizing the scripture. He is biased and willfully ignorant.

  • Elizabeth Neely

    Jesus died for everyone, he can take your greatest weakness and free you from its grip, he whom the son sets free is free indeed. Amen……come lord jesus

  • robertzaccour
  • Robert Roche

    I thank the ones that understood what I said in my comment. I had the honour of being asked to write the teaching manual on homosexuality several years ago for an international Ministry Organisation because of the sheer ignorance of so many Christians on this subject! The Christians who through their complete ignorance cause misery and even suicide of young gay Christians who are struggling with their personal sexual identity and their new faith. People do NOT choose to be homosexual and just be glad you are not! I am homosexual in my sexuality but choose God over this and have sex with no one! And please before many of you jump on your ‘high-horse’ be sure of ALL scripture and at least have the intelligence to understand it! I assume as many of the critics of my statement can use a key board you should be able to manage this!

    • luis

      I say this with sincerity, may the Lord help you with the struggle, i don’t know you personally, but Godoes, i just believe sin cannot be rationalized, our flesh tries to rationalize sin, i understand there are those young people who are confused because all what the media is pushing, we must understand that homosexuality doesn’t come from God, it’s sin and i know that it is a struggle, there is Hope is in Christ! Repentance brings healing, God gives us new desires and a new heart, i know this is a hard process for some, there is nothing impossible with God through Jesus, i just think we shouldn’t label ourselves with something we should be moving away from, it doesn’t help with ur new identity in Christ, yes u have the struggle and it aint easy but the process is that the old things are passing away and behold the new.. We are new Creations in Christ if we are born again..

    • denisemain

      Having what are considered homosexual thoughts does not make you homosexual. There are many “straight”, Christian men who would admit they have had stirrings of lust (because that’s what it is) from time to time when looking at another man, or thought “doesn’t he have a cute butt”, or other thoughts pass through their head. This does not make them homosexual, it makes them human. But they would also agree that they must immediately turn to God and ask Him to cleanse their thoughts. Homosexuality is a choice when you decide to act on lust and feelings of desire for what is wrong. Did you choose to have these feelings? My guess is no, just like anyone else doesn’t choose to have feelings of desire for another person. But if you give in to these feelings, if you let these feelings rule your thoughts and/or actions instead of asking God daily to give you the strength to overcome it, then you are making a choice toward homosexuality. You can make a choice to turn away from it. You can make a choice not to indulge in it’s thoughts or acts. Feelings are temporary, they come and go. I feel like having a sandwich, or I feel like having a pizza today. True emotion – love, hate, greed, fear, joy, peace – these come from deep inside us by either our relationship to God or our lack thereof. When we as Christians know what is right, according to the scriptures, and we obey God’s commandments, and we ask God for help with our struggles, He WILL give is the strength to overcome sin and resist temptation. I know that the homosexual lifestyle is a choice. I have two relatives who have CHOSEN to embrace that lifestyle because it FEELS good. They both claim to be Christians, yet they reject the truth of the Bible that says this is wrong, because they want to keep the FEELING. They are afraid that if they repented of their sin and followed God’s word, that they would have nothing, that God would not have something better planned for them. And that is the fallacy of trying to be a gay Christian. Either you believe that God’s will for you is perfect, and following Him will not result in “losing”, or you don’t fully trust Him with your “feelings”. Only when you repent and fully surrender to God will you find out what He has planned for you that is better than anything you ever thought was “good”.

  • janmit63

    This is a false church & anyone going there should run from it. This false minister needs to be removed from the pulpit now.

  • Robert LaRochelle

    For those who keep misunderstanding Robert, I believe he and others deal with this in the same way a straight man deals with urges for women, but does not act upon them. Much like an alcoholic who is tempted to drink, but does not. I have a thought cross my mind or a racy dream, but don’t act upon them. That’s the flesh and the enemy attacking.
    Don’t be too quick on judging something you don’t totally understand. I fight, sometimes daily, desires for women. Sometimes it’s easy (with Him) and other times I catch myself…having fooled myself; having not sought first His kingdom and His righteousness, but thanks be to Him we can approach Him to be cleansed.
    Think about this: Paul never states exactly what the “thorn in his side” is. That’s to help us think and not become self-righteous as well.

    • KenS

      Amen! I agree totally

  • james

    The denomination did what had to be done….If a group supports sin and thinks its okay to live in sin, then they must be excommunicated….We have no other choice before their error affects the whole!

  • The Lone Ranger

    Psalm 94:20
    Shall the throne of iniquity have fellowship with thee, which frameth mischief by a law?………
    2 Corinthians 6:14
    Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?….
    Ephesians 5:11
    And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. The Church has no choice if they want to live by the word of God .

  • Foxwolf

    About time !!!

  • edward emmell

    If you are a Christian and gay then leave this wicked evil life style repent. God calls homosexuals an abomination in Leviticus 18:22, Paul refers to it as unnatural. It is a sin because we are created in God;s image. No true God fearing born again Christian will continue to live this life but turn from it to God who can deliver anyone from there evil life style, Be it drunks, prostitutes, murderers,etc. You should not be in any position in the church if you are gay till your repent and turn back to God. You are committing as sin there is no way to white wash it. Its evil in the sight of God. Its a far greater sin that you are a minister in the church and live that life style. Shame on you!! Step down from the pulpit.

    • KenS

      He specifically stated that he does not live that lifestyle and through the Holy Spirit he does not act on the lusts of his sinful desires just as Peter above stated in his comments. What is so hard to understand about that…

      • edward emmell

        WHATS SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND KEN!! HE SUPPORTS THE LIFE STYLE HE CONDONES IT. GOD FORBIDS THIS TYPE OF BEHAVIOR KEN. IS THAT CLEAR ENOUGH OR DO I NEED TO DRAW A PICTURE KEN!!

        • Robert Roche

          Dear Edward, how is it possible for me to support the lifestyle when clearly I do not. I have homosexual orientation but reject it for Christ! Glad your not a minister as people who die in your care.

          • edward emmell

            You are saying you are gay in this article and a minister. Please explain how I am not understanding this article. Thank-you

          • edward emmell

            You say you have homosexual orientation. This means you lust on men but don’t practice it. Is this what you are saying. Please clarify. You don’t support the lifestyle. So that means you don’t practice it. I am assuming that is what you mean. Don’t judge me. I am strongly against homosexuality because the Bible is very clear about homosexuality. I want to always stand for God and his Word. You say you are a Pastor so that means you dedicate your life to standing for God and his Word.

  • Peter Timmins

    The Holy Spirit teaches us in Romans 1: 26 that this is a lifestyle choice; “For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:” That being said, that means people can chose NOT to do it. Since we are all sinners then it follows that this desire is sin residing in the heart of the believer. With the help of the Holy Spirit people with these urges can stop from acting upon them. Just as it takes the individual to actively decide to stop drinking or stop smoking before they can actually quit, this is no different. If the individual does not desire to stop the destructive behavior then no amount of talking, or anything else, will work. This is all part and parcel of the gift of free will bestowed on us by God Himself. This does not mean the urges or desire goes away for those who decide to change, but it does mean they can overcome it and with time and the help of the Holy Spirit they will find their urges diminishing.

    • KenS

      Thank you, this is exactly what I believe Robert is saying and the point that I cannot seem to get janmit63 to understand.

    • Alexander Winston

      Science teaches differently.

    • D. Jacobson

      Common sense teaches us that committing homosexual acts are a choice. The desire to have homosexual contact is like to be multifactorial. Don’t let alexis bother you, she’s a gay porn quean.

  • Robert Roche

    When I wrote my response I did not for one minute think that much of it would be about me in the end! However, thank you to the majority of you who I see understand God in this subject. It is NOT ok to indulge in gay sex but we each have a burden to bring to God each day and all our burdens are equal in God’s sight! I was amazed at some responses from those who obviously NEVER sin! WoW! I did think that only Christ was perfect but now I must rethink this opinion (obviously I’m being sarcastic!)! on our church facebook page Vine House Community Fellowship Church – Plymouth I’m going to begin some very serious taboo subject’s including homosexuality, masturbation and Ignorance! I hope many of you will join the future debates because its now obvious that some of our brothers and sisters are in deep, deep trouble in their walk. God bless to all. (Rev Robert Roche)

    • Alexander Winston

      Why is it not okay? Because of a misinterpretation in a book of stolen myths that ends in a blood sacrifice about a god that slaughtered innocent women and children? Is that why?

    • Sha-wei

      Thought I would throw my tuppence into the ring as well. Let’s be blunt,
      albeit not mean-spirited: Robert R. may well be a sincere seeker, frank
      and humble enough about himself to acknowledge his main spiritual
      shortcoming before God and man, OR, he might be a fifth-columnist intent
      on sowing sly seeds among the body of believers so that homosexuality –
      latent or otherwise – comes to be seen as a natural, although
      unfortunate, condition. (In this latter scenario, he could even be
      arguing both sides of the debate under a different assumed persona. But
      only the Lord knows the truth of it all.)

      Be that as it may, what need be there for the new child of God to carry
      around the baggage of his previous life? He should no longer be defined
      by what he WAS, but by what he IS now: a new creation! Do grasp the
      import of that term: a NEW person, a clean spiritual slate – fraught
      with unimaginable potential – as different from the old sinner as a
      freely-flying butterfly is to an earthbound caterpillar.

      As Paul wrote to the church at Corinth, “Some of you used to live in
      these ways (in lifestyle-choices that – unrepented of – bar entrance to
      eternal life to those who engage in them), but you are different now:
      you have been washed clean, set apart (i.e. “holy”), restored, and set
      on the right path in the name of the Lord Jesus, the Anointed, by the
      Spirit of our living God”. One’s new focus, then, should be on right
      living, and joyfully so, rather than on trudging around with a great
      sign that reads “Ex-Gay” (or even “Celibate Gay”), “Recovered
      Alcoholic”, “Former Prostitute” or “Rehabilitated Drug Addict” on it.

      Nevertheless, one’s TESTIMONY as a sinner forgiven by unmerited grace is
      always useful when reaching out to those who yet languish in those very
      predicaments, is it not? And it gives the rest of us hope that change
      IS possible, and how badly we need encouragement! In conclusion, if
      Robert is who he purports to be, I pray that he will find freedom in
      Christ from every vestige of his old nature, and that he will meet some
      lovely lady to complement him in his new – and natural – identity as a
      heterosexual man. Blessings.

  • Timothy Finch

    Let say this, God’s word is not a book that you can pick and choose. He says that homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Period. If you sit there and say that you are son or daughter of Christ and you are a homosexual, you are deceived. I try not to judge that is not my judge, but I am a fruit inspector and where there is rotten fruit there is a sin problem. Look at the fruit and determine if you want to be near that tree, do not sit there and be a hypocrite. You are Luke warm and He will spit you out.

  • Hanakokolele

    We are living in the end times. Jesus did say it will get darker and darker. That means it’ll be so easy for the devil to deceive Christians who fail to abide by God’ Holy Word. God says Homosexuality is a sin. Read Romans Chapter one, the God’s wrath on the sin of homosexuality.
    God is love. Absolutely. But many Christians who do not “fear” God almighty forget that HE is Holy also. God won’t allow His love that His Holiness condemned.
    Christians are to judge by God’s word only. God’s Word says homosexuality is a sin. So tell that individual about his sin!

  • Hanakokolele

    To: Robert Roche: You say that you are a homosexual Minister in a Christian Church. God may condemned the act, but 1 Corinthians 6:9 says homosexuals (you) will not inherit the kingdom of God. There were homosexuals in the Corinthians church but they were cleansed (verse 11) of that sin. 2nd Corinthians 5:17 says all things become new, old things (homosexuals) is gone.
    We must firmly assert that those who seek to create the untenable label of “homosexual Christian” are in reality robbing people of the hope that this passage (1 Cor 6:10-11) announces. God cleanses, justifies, and sanctifies those who turn in faith to Jesus Christ. But those who do not turn in faith to Jesus Christ donot experience this divine work.

    • KenS

      You are clearly not getting the context, Paul wrote this to the carnal christians at corinth. These Christians were still practicing homosexualiity and sex out

      • Hanakokolele

        Here in Romans 1:26-27, God declares homosexuality to be the lowest point in the pathway to perversion. When a culture embraces homosexuality, that’s the end of the line biblically, ffor; as seen in Old Testament law and New Testament theology, the Lord absolutely and unmistakably forbids homosexuality. Sin is not bad because it’s forbidden – it’s forbidden because it’s bad. It’s forbidden because it will destory us corporately and individually. Ken you need to repent if you are still in the homosexuality lifestyle. Calling yourself a homosexual minister of God is blaspermey, period!. Repent before it’s too late.

        • KenS

          I was commenting on this minister, im not the minister, but you miss the point, pastors are always reminding their congregations that they are sinners just like everyone else, the difference is that they are forgivenand striving to no longer do those sins, which is what this minister is doing as well. Maybe you need to read your Bible more and try to understand that saved people are still sinners and will be til we have our glorified bodies.

          • darkmurano

            2 Corinthians 5:17 reads “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creature; old things have passed away; behold, all things have become new” (NKJV). How can a person be forgiven for his/her sins when there is no “repentence.’ This minister still considers himself a homosexual. Jesus Christ took our sins of the past, sins that are commited this day, and sins that will be commmitted in the future nailed to that cross. He arose again from the grave and will return for all those in Christ
            “any day now. By God’s grace in having faith in Jesus Christ i what HE has done, God imputes His righteousness on us. So when He looks at us, He sees no sin. But to start the process, repentence must occur first. This minister to some Christians is a new Christian in Chrit, butg to God He needs to repent of being a homosexual even without doint the perversion act of this perversion behavior.

          • KenS

            I have pointed this out several times here and I will so again for your edification. He is not a practicing homosexual. He knows that his desires are sin and therefore does not act on them. This is no different that what the apostle john tells us in I John 1:8-10 ” If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.” John is speaking to born again Christians at this time. What this man is doing is nothing more than what John has commanded us to do in this passage and that is to recognize that we are not without sin and to confess this sin

          • Hanakokolele

            The fact that this homosexual states he lives a celibate life. That’s good and perhaps an indicator of someone who truly has been saved. What he is saying, however amounts to a denial of what Scripture says. It is one thing to say you’re not a practicing homosexual, but is that action the result of a changed heart or simply conformity. This is complicated by his advocacy of the idea that he is a “homosexual” not involved in homosexual acts. Is he deceived by politically correct though or is he simply making an allowance for sin, someohe who truly hasn’t been saved?
            I will says this again, 2 Corinthians 5:17 tells us, “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away, behold all things are become new.” If this man is truly a born again believer (though deceived by popular though wholly unbiblical ideas), he will go to heaven. If he truly is not committing homosexual acts through the power of the Spirit, he needs to discard the world’s ideas and embarace the promises of God.

  • Richard O. Mann

    The problem is that you keep identifying yourself by your sin. You say you are a gay/homosexual Christian. This is like saying you are a Christian murderer. Or Christian rapist. Or Christian adulterer. In other words, you keep hanging onto your sin and identifying yourself as such. You cannot be both, You are either a born again child of God by faith through Christ Jesus, washed with the Blood of Jesus, or you are a lost sinner. Which are you?

  • Grace Mamon

    woe unto him who call evil good and good evil

  • Lynda Janzen

    Once a pastor no longer agrees with the Bible he is no longer a minister of the LORD, Whose word IS the Bible.

  • Richard O. Mann

    It’s still the idea of identifying oneself by what ever sin that may be temping you. If I am being tempted to commit adultery, does that make me a Christian adulterer? If I am temped to murder, am I a Christian murderer? We all face temptations of one type or another, but only the homosexuals seem to want to make the temptation a part of their identity. Christian homosexual, or gay Christian would not be how I want people to think of me. A son of God, by faith through Christ Jesus, washed in the Blood and cleansed of all unrighteousness is how I see myself now. Drop the gay/homosexual whatever identity, and just be Christian.

  • edward emmell

    NO TRUE PASTOR OF GOD SHOULD SUPPORT HOMOSEXUALITY. I DONT CARE IF HE DOES NOT LIVE THAT LIFESTYLE. HE SHOULD NOT BE IN THE PUPIT / GO IT KEN!!!

  • EDBroker

    Would Jesus turn a divorcee away from the gates of Heaven? God hates divorce. (Malachi 2:14-16. I usually omit verse references when talking to my fellow Christians, but when I discuss these other sins, I am too often asked, “Where does it say that?!”) Would Jesus turn away a remarried divorcee? He calls them adulterers (Mark 10:11,12). As adulterers, should remarried divorcees receive the death penalty? (Lev. 20:10). Do not adulterers sit next to homosexuals in a list of sinners who “have no share in the Kingdom of God? Do not be deceived.” (1Cor.6:9,10) I often suggest Google searching ” sins of the bible ” because there are over 600 of them. Who are we as sinners equal in God’s sight to exclude anyone, even a congregation after its “gay affirming” minister expressed his support for homosexuality. (Homosexuals, by the way, do not choose their sexual-romantic feelings any more than heterosexuals do). I recall one of my favorite verses I quote to hypocrites. “You say it is wrong to commit adultery, but do you commit adultery? No wonder the Scriptures say, ‘The Gentiles blaspheme the name of God because of you.’” (Romans 2:22-24) This speaks directly to all those Christians who do more to drive others away from God’s free gift of salvation than to lovingly welcome them in. I am for embracing and accepting any sinner into the Christian family, yes, even remarried divorcees living in willful adultery. We ware saved by grace alone, “lest anyone should boast.” Salvation is unconditional. “But now God has shown us a different way to heaven—not by ‘being good enough’…” (Romans 3:20-22) “As it is written, None is righteous, just and truthful and upright and conscientious, no, not one.” (Romans 3:10) “…in fact, all the world stand hushed and guilty before Almighty God.” (Rom. 3:19) I often feel some people shroud themselves with the name “Christian” because they are repressing something dark about themselves.

  • Brooke

    Big sigh! What other sins should we go ahead and affirm now? Drug abuse? Adultery? Pornography? These all have their roots in addiction, just like homosexuality. People who LOVE other people do not help them harm themselves.

  • Robert Hagar

    In this discussion there are two different Roberts. I being one was getting lost .

  • crissena

    I applaud the church for separating itself from this! This is exactly what God has called us to do. As I read some of these comments it’s so clear why the church today is losing power. The bible says we are to be of one mind and one accord! “Christians” are actually arguing over having a proclaimed gay pastor being okay. Jesus came so that we would have power and victory over our sin and the Devil, he has NO power over the children of God! Do we all have struggles, of course. Should we be sinning daily, ABSOLUTELY not!! Jesus said, go and sin NO MORE, not one sin will enter heaven. True, we have all sinned but once we have been covered in the blood, we are no longer to be sinning!! Only the righteous will inherit the Kingdom. So if we are proclaiming that sin still has power over us and that we are indeed sinners, than what Jesus did for us meant nothing! Geesh, the world has truly corrupted the word of God, and the Devil is laughing…

  • Robert Roche

    Thank you to so many that defended me in this debate! To the others, I forgive you for your cruel comments in Christ name. To several others who commented! ‘You need specialist medical help’. Scripture says ‘Practicing Homosexuals will not inherit the Kingdom, I am not Practicing. I also own a site that denounces Homosexual relations. Loved the comments that I need to repent! I have spent decades on my knees begging God to make me straight but He uses everything for His purpose.

    Some of you on here are damned to hell for eternity because you are blind and your hearts are like rocks. If your not going be an encourager then you do no know Christ as you should and I will pray for your salvation.

    I have brought many to Christ and am open and honest about my struggles in daily life so that I may encourage others. I spend most of my week trying to find the money to keep 150 Indian Orphans fed and alive, many are Christians now. To the ones on here that condemn, please use your time more effectively and in love.

  • edward emmell

    Detestable(Abomination) Homosexuality is a sin before God. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah two cities for of homos.

  • edward emmell

    As a gay man Robert Roche you need to step down from the pulpit. A gay man should not be a minister. If you feel you are doing whats right then you do not know God at all. If Christ is more important then don’t bring condemnation to the pulpit and Jesus Christ. Repent! Roche

  • edward emmell

    You cant justify homosexuality anymore than fornication, murder, stealing. Homosexuality is a sin against the body.

  • Conservative Dasilva

    Obama will give him a medal of honor soon for rebelling against the gospel