False Christs Arising Worldwide Claiming to Be Second Coming of Jesus

TheissA number of false Christs have been arising in various nations worldwide, claiming to be the second coming of Jesus. While many are following these self-proclaimed Messiahs, some are speaking out against their cults, being mindful of Christ’s words in Matthew 24:5, “For many shall come in My name, saying, ‘I am Christ,’ and shall deceive many.”

Miller
Luck and Miller

Australia: Also known as A.J., Alan John Miller lives in Queensland, Australia with his partner Mary Luck. Miller claims that he remembers details from his “former life” as Jesus, and Luck says that she is the reincarnation of Mary Magdalene. Both state that they were married in their previous life and had a daughter together.

“I have very clear memories of the crucifixion, but it wasn’t as harrowing for me as it was for others like Mary who was present,” Miller told Sky News last year.

The two run the organization Divine Truth, and have appeared on local and international television programs to speak of Miller’s claims of being the Messiah. Crowds of generally 100 people or more gather to hear him speak at his seminars, and some followers from across the country have given up their possessions and families to be nearer to Miller.

Vissarion
Torop

Siberia: Also known as Vissarion, Sergey Anatolyevitch Torop began proclaiming himself as Jesus reincarnated after he was fired as a traffic officer in Russia in 1990. He went on to found the Church of the Last Testament, which combines various religions together, including Buddhism, Hinduism and Christianity.

At the last report, Torop has over 5,000 followers, some of which gather to listen to the self-proclaimed Messiah speak. His words are often collected in a book, which spans 10 volumes.

Torop, also known as “Jesus of Siberia,” has long hair and wears long, flowing gowns. He speaks from the side of a hill covered by an umbrella. Approximately 2,000 of his followers live in a settlement in Siberia dedicated to his worship.

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Torop, 53, has six children from two marriages. He divorced his first wife for a nineteen year old girl, who has reportedly lived with him since she was seven years of age.

“I am not God. And it is a mistake to see Jesus as God,” he told reporters in 2002. “But I am the living word of God the Father. Everything that God wants to say, He says through me.”

Theiss
Theiss

Brazil: Also known as Inri Cristo, Alvarro Theiss has been claiming since 1979 to be the reincarnation of Jesus Christ. He runs Suprema Ordem Universal da Santmssima Trindade in Brazil, where he also maintains a compound that houses his followers, who are mostly women.

Theiss, 66, dresses in a white robe and wears a cloth “crown of thorns.” His followers often wear a blue uniform with a rope tied around their waist. Theiss and those who live with him at his compound are vegans and grow their own fruits and vegetables on the property.

The United States, Britain and Venezuela have banned Theiss because of his claims and views, and the throne-sitting cult leader been arrested over 40 times. Theiss is an abortion supporter, and also speaks against capitalism.

“Life as it is known—union of the matter with the spirit—only happens when the newly-born breathes the air for the first time,” he once told reporters.

Theiss has his own 24-hour television internet channel, which airs messages from the self-proclaimed Messiah around the clock.

“My mission is to prepare the elect, the survivors of the inevitable nuclear hecatomb that will culminate in the end of this chaotic world, for the formation of the new earthly society, which will strive to fulfil the Creator’s will,” he said.

Warnings:

Some are speaking out against men such who claim to be the Messiah, stating that it is dangerous to fall into the hands of cults such as these.

“Jesus warned that in the last days counterfeit christs would arise who would masquerade as the Messiah and claim to be the savior of the world,” writes the website Bible.info. “Shortly before His crucifixion, Jesus preached His great prophetic discourse regarding profound events that would occur at the end of the age just prior to His Second Coming. Among those events, He said, would be false prophets and false christs.”

He warned, “Then if anyone says to you, ‘Look, here is the Christ!’ or, ‘There!’ do not believe it. For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect. See, I have told you beforehand. Therefore if they say to you, ‘Look, He is in the desert!’ do not go out; or ‘Look, He is in the inner rooms!’ do not believe it,'” the site outlines.

“Tragically, those who are deceived in the last days by these false christs will sincerely regard themselves to be genuine believers, actively doing the work of Christ,” it continues. “They will even prophesy in the name of Jesus, cast out demons in the name of Jesus, and work miracles in His name. But they are serving a false Christ—not the real Jesus.”


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  • David Aspden

    Matthew 24:30

    Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    If you haven’t seen this, then it is not Him.

    • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

      Amen! Exactly! I met two people claiming to be Christ. One who was possessed by the devil for sure and the other a nice man who had super spiritual experienceS. I too have had visions of Christ 3 times and been transported to the garden of eden and had Heavenly father’s spirit live within me for 4 weeks, but I don’t proclaim anything. I am simply a servant of the Lord just like we all are. In Jesus our Savior’S beloved and Holy name. AMEN

      • Eskimo man

        You just proclaimed that you had God the Father living in you for four weeks you lunatic !!

      • Eskimo man

        You just proclaimed that you had God the Father living in you for four weeks you lunatic !!

        • Neiman

          Every believer, once converted (Born Again) has the Spirit of God living in them, His inner presence is the seal of their salvation.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Yes exactly thank you for that 🙂 once born again we all do. Those of us who are truly born again will love and forgive and make sacrifices and strengthen ourself to be more Christ like. We all have a Divine potential. 🙂

          • Neiman

            I would like you to please explain what you mean by: “We all have a Divine potential.”

            We cannot, any of us, by our own efforts become more Christ like, either He lives His life in us or He does not, our best efforts in the natural man/woman only hinders the Spirit.

          • Dawn Ludwig

            Right !!

          • ort

            My radar is up on you. The more you post, the more nonsensical and unscriptural you become.

          • Eskimo man

            So do you.

          • ort

            Be quiet, Romanist. Try learning, then comprehending, the scriptures.

          • Eskimo man

            You be quiet heretic. Try being more Christ like, instead of satanic.

          • ort

            Oh, I’m a heretic now. I bet your romanist heart can’t wait to start another Inquisition so you can murder more people in the name of the unholy catholic pagan cult.

          • Joe Jarret

            Paul already predicted the evil Roman Catholic Cult in 1 Timothy 4: 1-5, which he wrote in c. 60 AD. Catholicism was formed to merge Christianity and Paganism under the direction of Emperor Constantine in c. 325 AD.

          • Eskimo man

            Constantine had nothing to do with the Church, he just decided in his edict 321 AD, to make Sunday a day of rest for all in his command. Nothing more than that. The other thing you mention is silly.

            [3] Forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats: He speaks of the Gnostics, the Marcionites, the Eneratites, the Manicheans, and other ancient heretics, who absolutely condemned marriage, and the use of all kind of meat; because they pretended that all flesh was from an evil principle. Whereas the church of God, so far from condemning marriage, holds it a holy sacrament; and forbids it to none but such as by vow have chosen the better part: and prohibits not the use of any meats whatsoever in proper times and seasons; though she does not judge all kind of diet proper for days of fasting and penance.

          • Pax Humana

            Make him, jerk weed!

          • Eskimo man

            You make him little weasel.

          • Pax Humana

            Piss off, tosser!

          • Dawn Ludwig

            But not out of body experiences.

          • Eskimo man

            Every person, even the most evil of humanity has God in them. Every time I go to confession I am born again, and all my sins are forgiven, and I am in a state of grace until I fall into sin. Then at Holy Mass I receive Jesus in Holy Communion, and I abide in Him, and He abides in me. John 6:57. The Lord also says, “so he that eateth me,
            the same also shall live by me.” John 6:58. Receiving the Body and Blood of Christ is the seal of salvation. John 6:54. God Bless.

          • Neiman

            Show us in Scripture wherein every person has God in them. Prove your assertions please.

            Please show us where in Scripture men/women can be born again over and over again.

          • Eskimo man

            Everything is not in the scriptures. Show me where in the scriptures where it says that after 1500 years of having only one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, that Christianity should split and destroy itself through the reformation. The Pope in one of his interviews stated that God is in everyone of us. ” I have a dogmatic certainty: God is in every persons life. God is in every ones life. Even if the life of a person has been a disaster, even if it is destroyed by vices, drugs or anything else – God is in this persons life. You can, you must try to seek God in every human life. Although the life of a person is a land full of thorns and weeds, there is always a space in which the good seed can grow. You have to trust God.” – Pope Francis, interview with La Civilta Cattolica.
            If a protestant is so called born again, what happens when he falls into sin? Does he just keep tallying the sins up to the point that he becomes evil? Or does he think that he is already saved, and it doesn’t matter how many sins he does after being born again? This is why Jesus gave the Church the power to forgive or retain sins, as Jesus knows our sin full nature.
            John 20:21-23: [21] He said therefore to them again: Peace be to you. As the Father hath sent me, I also send you. [22]
            When he had said this, he breathed on them; and he said to them: Receive ye the Holy Ghost. [23] Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; and whose sins you shall retain, they are retained. God Bless.

          • Neiman

            So you admit there is not one word in Scripture that even hints that God is in every man, right? It is just the opinion of your Roman Catholic Church.

            There is only one true Church in the Bible, it is made up not of any ecclesiastical organization, it is not the RCC, it is made up of everyone that is born again of the Spirit of Christ, being together the Spiritual Body of Christ. It is made up only of converted souls, having come to salvation by Grace alone, by faith alone, in Christ alone.

            The Bible teaches that upon conversion all our sins have been forgiven, all removed by the blood of Christ. We are told believers cannot come into judgment, they cannot be condemned. While surely in the flesh we still sin, Jesus is ever ready upon repentance to sanctify us and make us to share in His holiness. Can believers just keep on sinning? That would imply God is an absentee Father that will not bring His children under Divine discipline to correct our errant paths. Yet, what is important is that if genuinely converted, all our sins were/are all forgiven.

          • Eskimo man

            The Catholic Church produces the word of God.
            Infallibility
            Matthew 16:19: [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou
            shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
            (NOTE**- [19] Loose upon earth: The loosing the bands of temporal punishments due to sins, is called an indulgence;
            the power of which is here granted.)
            Matthew 18:18: [18] Amen I say to you, whatsoever you shall bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and whatsoever you shall loose upon earth, shall be loosed also in
            heaven.
            Luke 10:16: [16] He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me.
            John 16:13: [13] But when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will teach you all truth. For he shall not speak of himself; but what things so ever he shall hear, he shall speak; and the things that are to come, he shall shew you.
            1 Timothy 3:15: [15] But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
            (NOTE**-[15] The pillar and ground of the truth: Therefore
            the church of the living God can never uphold error, nor bring in corruptions, superstition, or idolatry.)
            Your problem is that you think all scripture is God talking directly to you, went He is not. These verses are directed to the Apostles, (His Church) and not you. You are not supposed to interpret scripture on your own, 2 Peter 1:20, and the Church is the pillar and ground of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15.
            Arguing will get you nowhere. Why don’t you ask the Lord for the truth, and make sure you are talking to Him, and not the dark one. God Bless.

          • Pax Humana

            The Roman Catholic “church” is every bit as evil as King James I and they are BOTH blinded by Lucifer. Argue otherwise at your own peril. The other people might back off, but not myself, for once you have started something, then there will be absolutely NO way of ending the argument short of your complete repentance or the destruction of what you value the most in your life. I do not play games with you, servant of Lucifer.

          • Eskimo man

            You are an idiot. The devil is not called Lucifer any more, oh dumb one. Lucifer means morning star in Latin, and Jesus refers to himself as lucifer in Revelation. Lucifer is just a name, everyone that has that name is not the devil. You must be short of the full quid.

          • Pax Humana

            Yes, you are an idiot, thank you very much. Lucifer is called Satan and you can go fuck yourself. Finally, they do not call it quid in my country, you fucking cunt, so go shove your even worse hyper-inflated dollars up your fucking ass like a dildo that you frequently use because no creature in their fucking right mind will fuck with you in real life.

          • Eskimo man

            Looks like I bring out the worst in you. I love it when I’m successful. LOSER

          • Dawn Ludwig

            Amen

          • Neiman

            I forgot to mention: The Church of Jesus Christ has NEVER been divided, it has never been split, there have NEVER been any divisions; because the Church is not any man-made organizations, it is made up of all true believers, all those souls born again in Christ and as to their faith in Christ and the way to Salvation, they are one in Spirit.

          • Eskimo man

            Totally correct. The Catholic Church is not man made, and is full of true believers, born again in Christ, of one spirit, and has been here for 2 thousand years since Christ undivided. Your false Christian Church is divided with all other protestant Churches, and is man made by the spirit of the devil, and at most has only been around for 400 years. You’ve got nothing.

          • Neiman

            Why must you add falsehoods to your other sins? I never said the RCC is full of true believers, I said there is within that man-made religious organization, like every Christian sect and denomination some true believers; but only those precious souls that come to salvation by grace alone, by faith alone, in Christ alone, not looking to the Catholic Church, their rituals, dogmas, sacraments, Mary and works of the flesh, but to Christ alone. Sadly, even they are still in bondage to the false teachings of that organization which denies them freedom in Christ Jesus and that is regrettable.

            Jesus must be everything, a-z, first to last, beginning to end, Alpha to Omega, it is He that works in His children to both will (desire) and do (power) of His good pleasure. There is freedom in Jesus, wonderful peace, joy and right standing with God, but it requires our every thought be brought into captivity to the Spirit and that we learn by His faith to walk in His victory over the flesh, the devil, hell and death. Your church only brings bondage and death through fear.

          • Eskimo man

            Who cares what you say, as you are not of Christ. You will know them by their fruits, or lack of them.

          • Neiman

            What fruits of the Spirit are you saying I do not possess?

            I wish you would find that all you need is Jesus, you do not need any priest, sacraments, rituals, penance, confession to priests, prayers to saints or Mary, whom the current Pope said plays a role in our salvation. Jesus is all you will ever need, He loves you and wants to save your soul, if you will simply accept salvation as a free gift from Him by faith.

          • Dawn Ludwig

            Neiman, you can not argue with this guy. He obviously does not know the origins of the Catholic church nor the satanic rituals that go on there. They place more importance on Mary than Jesus. And the Pope just came out and said we are to deny Jesus and has put Mother Mary above Jesus as part of the trinity. This is very disturbing. The Pope is also pushing for Chrislam. A mix of Christianity and Islam. Craziness.
            All we can do is pray for this guy and people caught up in this cult

          • ort

            Amen, sister.

          • Eskimo man

            You are a LIAR. We do not place more importance on Mary, and only a devil would say we have satanic rituals. LIAR

          • Neiman

            He is a very angry man with no personal relationship with Jesus. no direct communion with Him and he and many hundreds of millions of Catholics are in much need of prayer.

          • Eskimo man

            You are crazy for thinking such crap. All false accusations from the devil.
            ROSICRUCIANS AND FREEMASONS
            THE HOUSE OF STUART
            The Habsburg realm became internally divided when the German princes of the Empire had largely supported the Protestant movement against the Catholic Church, which was ostensibly defended by the Habsburg rulers. The rising tide of the Protestant movement came to a head in Bohemia, where the Kabbalistic underground surfaced in the manner of the Order of the Rosicrucians, otherwise known as the Order of the Rosy Cross. The ultimate aim of the Order was that of abolishing the Church, and replacing it with a government of “wise” rulers. As explained by occult historian Laurence Gardner: It was by no chance that Martin Luther’s protest gained support in some very influential circles, for Rome had many enemies in high places. Not the least of these enemies were the Knights Templars, and the underground Hermetic societies
            whose esoteric crafts had been condemned by the Catholic Inquisition. The truth was not so much that Luther gained the support of others, but that he was the willing instrument of an already active movement which endeavoured to dismantle the rigid international domination of the Pope. As we now know, some of the chief architects of the Reformation – Martin Luther, Philip Melanchthon, Johannes Reuchlin, Jan Amos Kozmensky – belonged to occult societies.

            Malachi Martin: – The Keys of this Blood.

          • Pax Humana

            I can argue with him and here is how I make my arguments valid should people not get it through their thick skulls the first time. I backhand them so hard that Adam and Eve BOTH feel the blow on their faces!

          • tammy

            Catholic prophecy states this Pope will be the leader of the Anti-Christ’s church. Seeing what he is doing, it appears the Prophecy is true

          • Eskimo man

            Just believe in Jesus, and we are saved. No need for Bible, or Church, and you don’t have to do what Jesus says, just believe and that is it. I feel sorry for you people, you have been led astray.

          • Neiman

            First, no truly converted soul could ever sin without great sorrow and they would have to hate sin, first in themselves and in the world; because sin separates the lost from God forever and for the redeemed it hinders their intimate communion with God. No soul that ever truly faced calvary and the terrible costs of our salvation, poured out there upon Jesus and having encountered the Grace, the tender mercy of God would ever take their salvation lightly.

            Tell me, do you really think Jesus would ever entrust His Spiritual Body, the Church, to frail, finite sinful men? Would He ever allow anyone to take His place as the sole head of the Church? It is His Body, how could He ever allow anyone less holy and perfect than Himself with the care and keeping of His own Holy body? It is impossible to believe!

            You desperately need to look away from the RCC, from religious dogma, rituals and sacraments and “things” of the flesh and look only and always upon Jesus as everything from a-z, first to last, beginning to end. Alpha to Omega, as being absolutely supreme in your life, for as long as you are devoted to your man-made Church, your eyes are off of Jesus and you are in darkness and death.

          • Eskimo man

            What sort of a dummy are you? We are all sinners, with a sinful nature, and if you think that you don’t sin any more, then you are lying to yourself and God. All you have done is sin continually against me. Jesus is the head of the Church, and the Pope is the leader. You are truly an idiot of gigantic proportions with the way you look at the Church and Catholics. How could Jesus trust you with His word, as you obviously have not got a clue, and are a heretic. Heresy is punishable by death. The Catholic Church follows Jesus more than you, and follows the Bible more than you. In fact you don’t follow the Bible, as you reject the most important parts. For you to say that I am in darkness and death is a mortal sin you fool. Go away and study your false doctrines of your changed protestant Bible, and give your false interpretations to some other poor soul that is weak, as you can only prey on the weak that don’t have the truth as I do. You are the one that is impossible to believe, now in the name of Jesus Christ our Lord be gone from me.

          • Neiman

            So you have no answers to my questions, you refuse to look only to Jesus as your all-in-all and all you have are personal attacks. There are none so blind as those that refuse to see.

            I hope and pray you will escape your religion and find Jesus as your only Savior and Lord. I am sorry, I cannot help you, you need the Holy Spirit to bring you to Jesus.

          • Eskimo man

            Jesus is my Lord, and the all in all of the Catholic Church. Don’t accuse me of personal attacks, as you have done nothing but attack my Church, the Pope, and over 1 billion Catholics you hypocrite. You are blind and refuse to see. I have the truth and you do not. Jesus is my only Saviour and Lord, and you are making evil allegations to suggest He is not. Don’t preach to me heretic.

          • Neiman

            Still no answers? I understand you are afraid!

          • Eskimo man

            If you want answers, Join the Catholic Church as they have them all, and the Holy Spirit of truth is in the Church. If you reject the Church, you are rejecting the Holy Spirit of truth. The only unforgiveable sin. You are the one that is afraid of the truth, as the truth makes you a fool.

          • Neiman

            You need Jesus desperately, please seek Him only.

          • Eskimo man

            King James – The Founder of Freemason Lodges The KJV – A Freemason Bible
            The history of King James’ role in the formation of
            Freemasonry is mandatory reading in the Hiram Key book of Masonic scrolls attempting to link Christ with the Pharaohs. Freemasonry, in its present form, came into being through the Lodge system, established under the auspices of King James VI of Scotland, (later King James I of England), the only son of
            Roman Catholic Mary Queen of Scots. At the age of 37, two years after becoming a Mason, James became the first Stuart king of England and immediately began to persecute the Puritans, rejecting their petition to reform the Church of
            England along biblical lines. James was initiated into Freemasonry, into the Lodge of Scoon and Perth in 1601, at the age of 35. Fifteen years after taking active control of Scotland and five years before becoming English monarch, he
            ordered that the Masonic structure be given leadership and organisation. He made a senior Mason, named William Schaw, his General Warden of the Craft, and instructed Schaw to revamp the entire structure of Freemasonry into what it became today. Schaw commenced this project on 28th December 1598, on the orders of James. To this day, the 1611 edition of the King James Bible remains the Freemason Bible and is the edition conventionally used in secret Masonic temple rituals. Moriel does not, however believe that the Masonic association with the KJV or the Freemasonry of King James, founder of the Masonic Lodge system, detracts from the validity of this outdated but valid translation of the Bible.
            Nonetheless, it is the Freemason Bible and has been from its inception, commissioned and authorised by the same Freemason King who commissioned and authorised the Masonic Lodge structure. We can only speculate how many members of the KJV Only cult are in fact Freemasons.

          • tammy

            You sound like a child. ” My Jesus is better than your Jesus”. Go away until you grow up and act like a man with some ability to converse

          • Eskimo man

            Why don’t you stay out of mans business little girl. You have already shown that you have no ability to converse, little miss hypocrite.

          • tammy

            You hate everyone, don’t you. Are you gay? You are a woman hater. I leave you in the hands of the adversary, your true God. You are not even a Catholic. You are too corrupt to wear the name of Christian

          • Eskimo man

            I do not hate anyone, and I am no faggot. I also do not hate women, I love them. Ever since Adam and Eve, all men want is a woman. But women have changed, and I hate the spirit of feminism, as it is connected to the occult. You are the one spreading hate for Catholics. You just passed judgement on me, and I thought only God could do that.

          • tammy

            God commanded us to pass righteous judgment. how else are we to recognize evil. If you have no judgment, you have no faith, no belief system

          • Eskimo man

            You twist gods words to suit yourself. I judge you to be a filthy harlot lowlife scum of the earth. A whore with nothing to offer but filth.

          • tammy

            Well now, you just did what you accused me of doing, only you did it with the childish adherence of profanity. Look in your own mirror

          • carole smith

            Well, we do have one thing in common; we both hate feminism. It is an evil upon this earth.

          • Eskimo man

            We could have more in common if you got off your anti Catholic high horse. It is also unchristian for so called Christians to persecute the true Christians that belong to the true Catholic Church of Christ. What would the world say if Catholics came out and persecuted any, or all of the 40,000 protestant religions? “Blessed are those who are persecuted because of me.”

          • carole smith

            Catholicism is not the true Church of Christ. Why don’t you stop every single thing that makes you a catholic and then open the Bible and start from the beginning of Jesus’ ministry, and learn from there how to be saved and how to worship in a manner pleasing to God?

            What would the world say if catholics persecuted others? Hmmm, oh yeah, they did that during the Inquisition. They were the ones who committed awful crimes during the Crusades. It wasn’t the Christians who did these evil things, it was the catholic religion. You are not being persecuted. If you think people trying to help you find the truth is persecution, then you are very thin skinned. I don’t approve of those who have called you names, because you can’t win souls for Christ that way. I hope you will study the Bible.

          • tammy

            This statement is why you sound like a woman hater. “Stay out of mens business” “little girl”, hypocrite”. If I wasn’t a lady. I would wash your mouth out with soap. That is what we did when naughty children used bad language and you have used a lot of it on this site. Wonder what your wife would think if she read your comments to people on this site. You should be ashamed to call yourself a Catholic

          • Eskimo man

            You are just a troll that works for the devil, and you have succeeded in causing me to sin. you should know that what you are doing is wrong. Fuck off slut.

          • tammy

            No one made you sin. You are just showing your real self and found yourself wanting. Jesus is my savior. Repent, you may still be saved

          • Eskimo man

            Go away harlot

          • Eskimo man

            You follow the occult, not Jesus.
            ROSICRUCIANS AND FREEMASONS
            THE HOUSE OF STUART
            The Habsburg realm became internally divided when the German princes of the Empire had largely supported the Protestant movement against the Catholic Church, which was ostensibly defended by the Habsburg rulers. The rising tide of the Protestant movement came to a head in Bohemia, where the Kabbalistic underground surfaced in the manner of the Order of the Rosicrucians, otherwise known as the Order of the Rosy Cross. The ultimate aim of the Order was that of abolishing the Church, and replacing it with a government of “wise” rulers. As explained by occult historian Laurence Gardner: It was by no chance that Martin Luther’s protest gained support in some very influential circles, for Rome had many enemies in high places. Not the least of these enemies were the Knights Templars, and the underground Hermetic societies whose esoteric crafts had been condemned by the Catholic Inquisition. The truth was not so much that Luther gained the support of others, but that he was the willing instrument of an already active movement which endeavoured to dismantle the rigid international domination of the Pope. As we now know, some of the chief architects of the Reformation – Martin Luther, Philip Melanchthon, Johannes Reuchlin, Jan Amos Kozmensky – belonged to occult societies.
            Malachi Martin: – The Keys of this Blood.

          • tammy

            Sad little boy

          • Gunny

            Mat_5:22 But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

          • Eskimo man

            You are starting to sound like a hypocrite.
            Jesus is talking to His Holy Catholic Church here.
            Luke 10:16: [16] He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me.

          • Gunny

            I don’t quite get it. There is no”Holy catholic Church” for Jesus to speak to. I only wanted to point out that you have been casting those “fool” accusations around rather freely, and all I did was give you a verse. (hypocrite? despiseth?)

          • Eskimo man

            Only people who are with the occult are against the Holy Catholic Church of Jesus Christ.
            Matthew 16: [16] Simon answered and said: Thou art Christ, the Son of the living God. [17] And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. [18]
            And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock
            I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail
            against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
            Mmmmm, the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, and it has the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven. It is also the house of God, and the foundation of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15.
            You cannot win if you go against the truth.

          • Gunny

            Christian occult? You’re not very bright and prove it with every post.

          • Eskimo man

            There is no such thing as a Christian occult. You’re not a Christian, and prove it with every post. To be a Christian, you have to believe every word Jesus says, but you reject Him. Go away now pest.

          • Gunny

            You opinion is not important at all. Being a ‘freak’ does not give any special rights as moderator here, your just another freak. Anytime the truth is not welcome the speaker is branded a ‘pest’. You are invited to prove that I have rejected the teachings of Jesus. Of course if you attempt to do that you will hear about worshipping idols praying to dead people, not to mention your prison colony origins.

          • Eskimo man

            Let’s talk about truth. The Apostles are the early Church of Christ that Jesus created on the rock of Peter. When Jesus
            says to Simon, (the leader of the Apostles) [18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven. Matthew 16. This means that the rock that Jesus built His Church on has the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, and the gates of hell will not prevail against His Church. Also that Jesus will remain with His Church till the end of days, Matthew 28:20. The Church is the house of God, and the foundation of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15. Now if you reject these truths, you reject Jesus, and the
            Father who sent Him. Luke 10:16: [16] He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he
            that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me.
            Now that is just a little bit for now, as I know your little mind can only handle so much. As for idol worship, you are
            suggesting that Jesus is a false idol, as the Catholic Church clearly worships Jesus and no one else. You will have to prove otherwise if you are to be taken seriously in future. As for praying to the dead, please read and meditate on these Bible passages.
            Revelation 5:8: And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before
            the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints;
            Revelation 8:3: And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne;
            Luke 9:28-31: Now about eight days after these sayings he took with him Peter and John and James, and went up on the
            mountain to pray. And as he was praying, the appearance of his countenance was altered, and his raiment became dazzling white. And behold, two men talked with him, Moses and Elijah, who appeared in glory and spoke of his departure, which he was to accomplish at Jerusalem.
            1 Timothy 2:1: First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men.
            Matthew 22: 31-32: And as for the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God, `I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not God of the dead, but of the living.”
            Luke 20:35-36: but those who are accounted worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage, for they cannot die any more, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
            If a man in hell can communicate with the dead Abraham and ask him to intercede for his living brothers on earth, how much more can we the living communicate with Abraham and the entire Communion of Saints and ask them to intercede for us? Remember that you started on me, and not the other way around. If you want to debate me properly, you will have to bring more to the table, instead of stupid false and evil accusations against the Church, that spread true Christianity all over the world.

          • Gunny

            When you learn the truth you can still be saved…

          • carole smith

            Jesus did not create the church on the rock of Peter. Jesus created the church on the fact that Jesus is the Messiah, the Son of the living God. Which is what Peter said to Christ, when Christ asked him who he thought he was. The church was not built on Peter, no no no. NO matter how much catholic dogma you say, it will never be true. You have been deceived all your life, like all catholics have. It is a shame that catholics have such a hard time finding out the truth. Their minds seem to be closed. I read the Bible for myself, I studied it, and I found out the truth, and the truth was not in the methodists which I was as a child, nor in the baptists, which I became as a teen. It was in the church in the New Testament, only there. I am so thankful that my search finally came to an end, finding a church that preaches the truth. Find you a church that practices only the worship found in the New Testament. I will pray for you that you will have success in coming out of the catholic religion, and find Christ as your personal Savior.

          • Eskimo man

            Jesus Christ has always been my Lord, God, and Saviour, and
            that will never change. I will pray for you to get out of your evil religion and become one with Christ. All you have is hate in your heart, and that separates you from Jesus. It was the hate from you protestants that led me to the true Catholic Church of Jesus Christ.

          • Gunny

            Please note that I had come down with a rather wretched illness & have not been able to reply until now.
            The New Testament word of God makes it very clear what any and everybody must do to be saved and gain eternal life, and you with your ignorant belief that Jesus named Peter as the Pope and leader of His church, just a few seconds before He said this to him, should not be spouting off his unguided opinion

            Mat 16:22 Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee.

            Mat 16:23 But he turned, and said unto Peter, Get thee behind me, Satan: thou art an offence unto me: for thou savourest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men. (notice that last part that does not support your belief in the pagan Catholic church.)

          • Eskimo man

            So when Jesus says in John 6: [54] Then Jesus said to them: “Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you.”
            Do you have life in you?
            What about, [55] “He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day.”
            Do you believe in Jesus? [56] “For my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. [57] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him.”
            Still more, [58] “As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me.”
            Only Catholics eat Jesus, and only Catholics live by Jesus.

            Jesus rebuking Peter
            Matthew 16 [21] From that time Jesus began to shew to his disciples, that he must go to Jerusalem, and suffer many things from the ancients and scribes and chief priests, and be put to death, and the third day rise again. [22] And Peter taking him, began to rebuke him, saying: Lord, be it far from
            thee, this shall not be unto thee. [23] Who turning, said to Peter: Go behind me, Satan, thou art a scandal unto me:
            because thou savourest not the things that are of God, but the things that are of men. [24] Then Jesus said to his disciples: If any man will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. [25] For he that will save his life, shall lose it: and he that shall lose his life for my sake, shall find it.
            (**NOTES – [22] And Peter taking him: That is, taking him aside, out of a tender love, respect and zeal for his Lord and Master’s honour, began to expostulate with him, as it were to rebuke him, saying, Lord, far be it from thee to suffer death; but the Lord said to Peter, ver. 23, Go behind me, Satan. These words may signify, Be gone from me; but the holy Fathers expound them otherwise, that is, come after me, or follow me; and by these words the Lord would have Peter to follow him in his suffering, and not to oppose the divine will by contradiction; for the word satan means in Hebrew an adversary, or one that opposes.)
            You are the only pagan around here mate. Your religion was created by the occult. You just keep following your man made religion, and listening to your false preachers.

          • carole smith

            It is not sinning against you to try and tell you the truth. And, once a person has repented and been baptized for the remission of their sins, they no longer want to sin. They no longer want to live in sin. Yes, we will all sin again, even after we are saved, yet we go to God and ask Him, through Jesus’ name to forgive us. We do not go to a confessional and ask a priest to forgive us. Because a priest has no power to forgive sins, only God does.

          • Eskimo man

            God forgives our sins through His Priests.

            Confession

            Proverbs 28:13: He who conceals his transgressions will
            not prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy.
            (**NOTE – Besides being unbiblical, not confessing
            your sins to God’s duly appointed ministers (John 20:22) would be like not ever telling your doctor where your physical ailments are).
            Sirach 4:26: Do not be ashamed to confess your sins,
            and do not try to stop the current of a river.
            Mark 1:4-5: John the baptizer appeared in the
            wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. And there went out to him all the country of Judea, and all the people of Jerusalem; and they were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins.
            John 20:22-23:”And when he had said this, he breathed on
            them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
            (**NOTE – [23] Whose sins: See here the commission, stamped by the broad seal of heaven, by virtue of which the pastors of Christ’s church absolve repenting sinners upon
            their confession.)
            1 John 1:9: If we confess our sins, he is
            faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness
            2 Corinthians 5:18-20: All this is from God, who through Christ
            reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
            Acts 19:18-19: Many also of those who were now believers
            came, confessing and divulging their practices. And a number of those who practiced magic arts brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all; and they counted the value of them and found it came to fifty thousand pieces of silver.

          • carole smith

            No, priests have no power at all. God has not given any pope or priest that sort of power.

          • carole smith

            Did you honestly say that you do not have to do what Jesus says, no need to read the Bible, and no need to go to church? And, that merely by believing you are saved? You are so wrong.

          • Eskimo man

            I was being sarcastic, and repeating what most protestants believe. But I will point out that nowhere in the Bible does it say to read the Bible. In fact just the opposite.

          • carole smith

            Show me where the Bible says not to study scripture.

            Stop being nasty to the others who are posting here. They don’t deserve it.

          • Eskimo man

            The devil must really love you.

          • ort

            Quit playing God, romanist. Shame on you.

          • Dawn Ludwig

            This is true and I believe you have shown yours. 🙁

          • Dawn Ludwig

            That is why so much satanic rituals happen at the Vatican right? Do your research.
            The Christian church, the True Christian Church goes by the Bible…only. The True Word of God.
            Please tell me why you Catholics have a large space camera on the top of the Vatican called Lucifer? Why so much child rape in the Catholic Church, recycled priests to go on and molest more boys? (im not saying this does not happen in other religions but not like in the Catholic Church.)
            I guess the word religion explains it. I am a Child of God, I am not Religious. There is a huge difference.
            You should really delve into the start of the Catholic Church and its beginnings. I hope you can find the truth.

          • Eskimo man

            Loony.

          • Jaime Peebles

            The catholic church has rejected Yashua : Mark 12:10 “Have you not read even this passage,” He added, “‘The stone which the builders rejected has become the Cornerstone:

          • Eskimo man

            You have got serious problems. The stone is Jesus, that the builders (Jews) rejected, and He has become the cornerstone that everything is built on. You people really upset me with your stupidity.

          • Souheil Bayoud

            Reformation is an immense crash landing into millions of deformed pieces.

          • Eskimo man

            Yeh, don’t I know it. God Bless.

          • Dawn Ludwig

            The pope also just lifted Mother Mary to the status of Jesus. Making her part of the trinity. He also stated that there would be no Jesus without Mother Mary. He must not have read the first chapter of Gen. where it states that Jesus was with God at the creation.
            Shame on the pope.

          • Eskimo man

            No he didn’t, where do you get this crap from? There would not be Jesus with out Mary. The humanity of Jesus, is all from Mary. Why did Jesus call Himself the Son of God, but also the Son of man? Is that too complicated for your tiny little brain?

          • ort

            Really? God is so weak that if Mary had said no, His entire plan would have caved? Ridiculous. Jesus is eternal, has always existed, and a Mary was a human being with a beginning and an end. If Mary had said no, someone else would have said yes.

          • Eskimo man

            Firstly, I wouldn’t call God weak, and that is a blasphemous statement. Mary did not say no, and she would never say no to God. She was always a part of God’s plan from the beginning. She is in the first and last books of the Bible. God Made her full of grace, and gave her an Immaculate Conception. All generations will call her Blessed, but not you of course, as you are against Gods plan, and Church. You think that you are good enough on your own, without the teachings of Christ through His Church, and Priests. You put yourself up to the level of God. Ridiculous !!

          • ort

            Whoa, are you way off. First off, Mary was born with a sin nature, she was NOT sinless. That is blasphemy! Your version of Mary/Semiramis is twisted.

            If you knew anything, you would know that sin comes through the earthly father. That is why His Human half came from Mary, that way His human half was without original sin. He had to be a man, yet He was fully God. Only a sinless sacrifice would do.

            You are so immersed in your pagan based, works oriented false religion, you rely on priests and pagan teachings to be saved.

            Oh, wait, I forgot—you ignore Romans 10:9, so you don’t even know that you COULD be saved.

            The only thing ridiculous is your gold laminated “pope”, whom you call by God’s Title, kissing his feet and ring, neck deep in a pagan Babylonian cult.

          • Eskimo man

            Mary was born full of grace, and that is the way it had to be to give birth to the spotless Lamb of God. You are truly a dummy, and there is no point conversing with idiots like you.

          • ort

            I prayed last night and decided there is no point arguing with you. You are a hateful person, and arguing with you drags me down to your level. Solomon said not to argue with a fool, therefore I’m done with you.
            You have been warned, and you choose to follow man, not God.
            So, your blood is on your own head. I hope and pray, that despite your hate and confusion, you are truly saved. Goodbye.

          • Eskimo man

            You are a hateful person, with a very small brain capacity, and arguing with you drags me down to your level. Solomon said not to argue with a fool like yourself, therefore I’m done with you. You have been warned, and you choose to follow evil protestant men, and not God. So, your blood is on your own head. I hope and pray, that despite your hate, lack of the Holy Spirit of truth and confusion, you are truly saved by becoming Catholic. Goodbye and good riddens. God Bless you in Jesus, Mary, and Joseph.

          • Gunny

            841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one,merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”330

          • Eskimo man

            Why are you talking to me? I have been defending the Catholic Church against these anti Catholics. By the way, Muslims worship a pagan moon God called Allah, and do not hold the faith of Abraham, they just say it. They do not adore the one merciful God Jesus Christ, and they don’t have mercy.

          • Gunny

            I don’t think there are any “anti-catholics”, but there are many Christians that do not pray to statues and beads and dead people. The Catholics are not making themselves more popular by becoming Muslim-huggers.

          • Eskimo man

            The world is anti Catholic, as the world is anti Christ, and none more than you protestants. The foundation of Protestantism is anti Catholic, and was organised by the secret societies of the occult. Catholics do not pray to statues and beads, but we use them to pray as a visual object of whoever they represent. True Christians, Catholics, do not care about being popular as Jesus said to the Apostles, (the early Catholic Church) “remember the world hated me first.” Muslims are the children of God as you and I are, and if you don’t love your neighbour, even your enemies, how can you be a part of the Kingdom of God?
            The Saints and praying to the dead.
            2 Maccabees 11-16: He armed each of them not so much with confidence in shields and spears as with the inspiration of
            brave words, and he cheered them all by relating a dream, a sort of vision, which was worthy of belief. What he saw was this: Onias, who had been high priest, a noble and good man, of modest bearing and gentle manner, one who spoke fittingly and had been trained from childhood in all that belongs to
            excellence, was praying with outstretched hands for the whole body of the Jews. Then likewise a man appeared, distinguished by his gray hair and dignity, and of marvelous majesty and authority. And Onias spoke, saying, “This is a man who loves the brethren and prays much for the people and the holy city, Jeremiah, the prophet of God.”Jeremiah stretched out his right hand and gave to Judas a golden sword, and as he gave it he addressed him thus: “Take this holy sword, a gift from God, with which you will strike down your adversaries.”
            Matthew 22: 31-32: And as for the resurrection of the dead,
            have you not read what was said to you by God, `I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not God of the dead, but of the living.”
            Luke 20:35-36: but those who are accounted worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry
            nor are given in marriage, for they cannot die any more, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.
            Hebrews 13:7: Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God; consider the outcome of their life, and imitate their faith.
            James 5:10: As an example of suffering and patience,
            brethren, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord.
            John 17:21-22: so that they may all be one, as you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the
            world may believe that you sent me.And I have given them
            the glory you gave me, so that they may be one, as we are one.
            1 Corinthians 6:17: But he who is united to the Lord becomes one spirit with him.
            1 Timothy 2:1: First of all, then, I urge that supplications,
            prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men
            James 5: 16: Therefore confess your sins to one another, and
            pray for one another, that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power in its effects.
            2 Peter 1: 3- 4: His divine power has granted to us all things that pertain to life and godliness, through the knowledge of him who called us to his own glory and excellence, by which he has granted to us his precious and very great promises, that through these you may escape from the corruption that is in the world because of passion, and become partakers of the divine nature.
            Luke 9:28-31: Now about eight days after these sayings he
            took with him Peter and John and James, and went up on the mountain to pray. And as he was praying, the appearance of his countenance was altered, and his raiment became dazzling white. And behold, two men talked with him, Moses
            and Elijah, who appeared in glory and spoke of his departure,
            which he was to accomplish atJerusalem.
            Luke 16:19-31: “There was a rich man, who was clothed in
            purple and fine linen and who feasted sumptuously every day. And at his gate lay a poor man named Laz’arus, full of sores, who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man’s table; moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham’s bosom. The rich man also died and was buried; and in Hades, being in
            torment, he lifted up his eyes, and saw Abraham far off and Laz’arus in his bosom. And he called out, `Father Abraham, have mercy upon me, and send Laz’arus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue; for I am in anguish in this flame.’ But Abraham said, `Son, remember that you in your
            lifetime received your good things, and Laz’arus in like manner evil things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’ And he said, `Then I beg you, father, to send him to my father’s house, for I have five brothers, so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment.’ But Abraham said, `They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.’ And he said, `No, father Abraham; but if some one goes to them from the dead, they will repent.’ He said to
            him, `If they do not hear Moses and the prophets, neither will they be convinced if some one should rise from the dead.
            (**NOTE- If a man in hell can communicate with the dead
            Abraham and ask him to intercede for his living brothers on earth, how much more can we the living communicate with Abraham and the entire Communion of Saints and ask them to intercede for us !)
            Revelation 5:8: And when he had taken the scroll, the four
            living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints;
            Revelation 8:3: And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to
            mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne;

          • Gunny

            I can tell that you really believe that crap, so I won’t respond even though it pains me…

          • Eskimo man

            You are calling God’s word crap, and I don’t believe Gods word, I know it is God’s word. You said that you won’t respond, but you did respond. Are you sure you don’t have a mental illness?

          • Gunny

            No, No, YOUR WORD is the crap. God’s word is the truth and you don’t believe it. There is nothing HOLY about the Roman Catholic church.

          • Eskimo man

            Only demons of the occult say there is nothing HOLY about the Apostolic Catholic church that Jesus created.

          • Gunny

            If I thought that Jesus created a church and it evolved into RCC paganism and it’s lies, I still couldn’t participate. (praying to strings of beads and mother Mary remaining a virgin even after birthing Jesus and all his siblings? REALLY)

          • Eskimo man

            Jesus did create a Church which was later named Catholic at
            the end of the 4th century. By saying that the Church practices
            paganism is a lie, and very sinful. We do not pray to strings of beads at all, and the Rosary is a great prayer tool, that comes from God through Mary. The Blessed Virgin Mary did remain a virgin, and Jesus had no siblings. To say otherwise, is to be deceived by the devil himself. Why don’t you find out the truth,
            instead of following lies?

          • Gunny

            I’ll accept my punishment for my evaluation of the pagan Catholic organization, and their ridiculous unfounded lies. Of course if you can prove all your statements I will likewise be willing to ‘eat’ my words.

          • Eskimo man

            You belong to the pagan anti Christ religion of the occult, and follow their ridiculous unfounded lies. Why don’t you give any evidence of your false claims hypocrite?

          • Gunny

            The Church that Jesus created was called ‘the Early Church’ and it did not evolve into Simon Magus’ Universal church…

          • Eskimo man

            The early Church, is the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church
            that was founded by Jesus on the rock of Peter the first Pope. Ignatius was a disciple of John the Apostle> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignatius_of_Antioch
            Ignatius called the Church Catholic (Kathlicos) in 97AD. Ignatius said “wherever the Catholic Church is Christ is as well”… That’s no surprise considering the Church is the “Household of God” (1 Timothy 3:15). Where do you get Simon Magus from?

          • Gunny

            What Ignatius and the RCC says is of ZERO importance to the real doctrine of the real Christian Church, and this verse from God’s word (written in Rev.)makes your position rather bad in all cases.

            18 For
            I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this
            book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him
            the plagues that are written in this book:

          • Eskimo man

            Where is the real Christian Church, and what is its name? It is the protestants that have changed God’s word, so you better get ready for the plagues hypocrite.

          • carole smith

            Prove EVERYTHING you say through the Bible. Not through twisting the scriptures, but the Word as it is, right there.

          • Eskimo man

            Where does it say that in the Bible? The Church is the house of God, and the foundation of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15

          • carole smith

            Read John 5:39-40

          • Gunny

            Twisted…

          • Eskimo man

            I know you think the word of God is twisted, that is why you ignore it.

          • Gunny

            No, I don’t twist or ignore God’s word, but I consider the interpretations of God’s word by the RCC to be the perfect reason to avoid them and their teachings. I really, really, hope that God is more merciful on you and your pagan religion than He has been on his own selected people (the Israelites) for very similar rebellion.

          • Eskimo man

            Yes you do twist and ignore Gods word, as the Catholic Church produced the Bible, and the early Church (The Apostles)
            actually wrote the New Testament. You are very foolish to say that you are against the Churches interpretation of the Bible, as the Bible belongs to the Church, and you cannot interpret the Bible yourself. 2 Peter 1:20. The Bible says that the Church is the house of God, and the foundation of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15. I hope that the Lord has mercy on you, as you are with the occult
            and not a part of Christianity. Practicing Catholics are the Lords chosen people now, and have not rebelled against God as you have. You are going to have to do better than that to challenge me.

          • Gunny

            “You are very foolish to say that you are against the Churches interpretation of the Bible” With this statement you are marked as a trolll’s trolll. Never said it , you are a liar. The RCC is Satan’s counterfeit christian church and there is no reason to take “it’s” interpretations very seriously

          • Gunny

            Being a Protestant is not rebelling against God, it is denying that Catholicism and your paganism is. You may call me an occult follower if you wish, but it is you that will experience the “rude” awakening. If I intended to’challenge’ you it was only to read and understand the truth instead of the Catholic lies…

          • Eskimo man

            Rebelling against the Church of Christ is rebelling against God, and His word. The Church is the house of God, and the foundation of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15. You call us pagans, but how is following Jesus Christ in fullness paganism? The occult
            created and controlled the protestant reformation against the true Church of Christ, if you are one of them, you are following the occult. Anti Catholic protestants are the ones that will have a rude awakening when they realize that they are following lies, and not the truth. Could you please tell me what lies have come from the Catholic Church? It is evident that you are the one that
            produces lies against the Church of truth.

          • Gunny

            Rebelling against Catholicism can be compared to rebelling against Islam, neither having ANYTHING to do with Christ’s Church.

          • carole smith

            The Church of Christ of the New Testament is NOT the catholic religion. It in no way resembles the church of the first century. Peter was never a pope. When Jesus asked the question of the disciples, and Peter gave his answer, Jesus said “thou art Peter, and on this rock I will build my church”. Jesus was not saying He would build His church on Peter-that is a ridiculous lie of catholicism-He was saying He would build His church on the answer that Peter gave,”You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God”. THAT is what His church is built on, not on any man. These perversions of the gospel have taken place over many centuries. I am sorry eskimo, that you are in such a cult-like religion, that does not allow free thinking and Bible study.

          • Eskimo man

            The Universal Church of Christ is the Catholic Church, which has Apostolic succession, and gave Christianity to the world. The Bible comes from the Catholic Church, and you cannot interpret the Bible without the Church. Jesus clearly changed Simon’s name to Peter, which means rock, and said, “on this rock I will build my Church.” So Peter is the first Pope. You are the one that perverts the Gospel, and gives a bad name to Christianity. Free thinking is from the devil, and not from God. Your religion is from the occult.

          • Gunny

            Once again I challenge you and all catholics to show me some evidence that the apostle Paul taught the churches that he started, to build statues of mary and worship it and pray to it. Until you do you are all idol worshipers and necromancers.

          • Gunny

            Saying that I don’t accept Catholic unscriptural teachings, has NOTHING to do with what is done and taught by the real Church. God’s Holy word was NOT written by Catholics or any of their true representatives, the apostles were followers of Jesus of Nazareth and not pope Peter. (I shouldn’t have to present any proof for that last one.)

          • Gunny

            The Catholics did NOT create the Holy Bible, they just gathered up some writings from a few Spirit filled believers.

          • Eskimo man

            I said you will have to do better than that to challenge me. What a dumb comment, spirit filled believers? Ha Ha Ha.

          • carole smith

            The apostles were not catholic. Catholicism came later, as dishonest men from within the first century church drifted away from the teachings of Christ and the apostles. Eventually this apostasy became what is now known as the catholic religion.

          • Gunny

            Well; You and Simonism is well twisted…

          • Pax Humana

            Repent of your idolatry NOW, Eskimo man, Linda Tannen, Pabz, and you others that are in this room that are guilty of doing wicked things before YAHWEH EL ELOHIM in your lives, or He will use me as the way with which to correct your wicked ways in your lives. You do not want to start a fight that you will most assuredly lose.

          • Eskimo man

            My only idol is Jesus, so telling me to repent of that is evil. You are the one starting a fight that you cannot win. You are a loser.

          • Pax Humana

            Thank you once again for calling yourself a loser. I will win the fight because you chose myself as an opponent. Come to the USA if you want to settle this shit in real life, son, that is, if the bottles and cans of Foster’s didn’t shrink your fucking balls, anyway.

          • Eskimo man

            Nobody drinks Fosters in Australia, as it tastes like shit. That’s why we gave it to you dumb fucks. We only drink the good stuff. And I assure you that you are lucky to be so far away, because you wouldn’t want to settle anything with me up close. It would be short and sweet little faggot boy.

          • tammy

            Nice Christian vocabulary. Your true self is showing, hypocrite

          • Jaime Peebles

            Is that the talk of a follower of Yashua? You need to really study your religion and see who it was that murdered the true practicing followers of Yashua in the first place. They took out all of the true followers by slaughtering them and then placed their controlling evil false doctrine in the place of truth

          • Eskimo man

            Why don’t you ask Pax if he talks like a follower of Jesus? His name is Jesus. Don’t you come and tell me what to do, or how much I should study. I know the truth of the word of Jesus, and the truth of one Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, which IS the Kingdom of God here on earth. The Catholic Church are the true followers of Jesus, and the Church has never murdered anyone. Only the dumbest people on earth say that. You have no truth, as you belong to the occult of the anti Christ. Anti Catholic, is anti truth, and anti Christ.

          • Gunny

            Here’s a cut from CCC

            841 The Church’s relationship with the Muslims. “The plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator, in the first place amongst whom are the Muslims; these profess to hold the faith of Abraham, and together with us they adore the one,merciful God, mankind’s judge on the last day.”330

          • Eskimo man

            First Commandment; “I am the Lord thy God, thou shalt not have false Gods before thee.” If you reject Jesus, then you reject God, as Jesus is the ONLY way to the Father.

          • Gunny

            Here I have furnished a paragraph from the document you consider so important.

          • Eskimo man

            You have no idea what I consider most important.

          • Gunny

            Of course i do; Your consistent rant about the wonderful “Holy” Catholic Church tells a lot about you. In this case I’m sure the CCC is a very important document to you

          • Eskimo man

            The Holy Catholic Church is the Church that Jesus built on the rock of Peter the first Pope, and Jesus is the Church, and in the Church. You are the one that called it wonderful, and I will agree with you on that. The Holy Catholic Church contains the people of God, and has nothing to do with documents, but everything to do with the Holy Spirit. Is the Bible a very important document to you? If it is, then why don’t you follow it?

          • Gunny

            Simon Magus was the first pope.

          • Eskimo man

            1 Peter, Apostle,
            Saint Reigned 33-67

            2 Linus, Saint Reigned c.67-76

            3 Anacletus,
            Saint Reigned 76-88 aka Cletus

            4 Clement I,
            Saint Reigned 88-97

            5 Evaristus,
            Saint Reigned c.98- c.106 Aristus in the Liberian Catalogue

            6 Alexander I,
            Saint Reigned c.106-115

            7 Sixtus I,
            Saint Reigned 115-125 XYSTUS in the oldest documents

            8 Telesphorus,
            Saint Reigned 125-136

            9 Hyginus, Saint Reigned c.136-140

            10 Pius I, Saint Reigned c.140-c.154

            11 Anicetus,
            Saint Reigned c.157-168

            12 Soter, Saint Reigned c.166-c.174

            13 Eleutherius,
            Saint Reigned c.175-189

            14 Victor I,
            Saint Reigned 189-c.198

            15 Zephyrinus,
            Saint Reigned 198-217

            16 Callistus I Reigned 218-c.222

            17 Urban I Reigned 222-230

            18 Pontian,
            Saint Reigned 230-235

            19 Anterus,
            Saint Reigned 235-236 aka Anteros

            20 Fabian, Saint Reigned 236-250

            21 Cornelius Reigned 251-253

            22 Lucius I,
            Saint Reigned 253-254

            23 Stephen I,
            Saint Reigned 254-257

            24 Sixtus II,
            Saint Reigned 257-258 XYSTUS in the oldest documents

            25 Dionysius,
            Saint Reigned 260-268

            26 Felix I,
            Saint Reigned 269-274

          • carole smith

            That first one is wrong since Peter was never a pope. He loved Christ and His teachings. He did not become a heretic. He was not one of the false prophets who rose up in apostasy. He was a Christian only.

          • Eskimo man

            Peter was the first Pope, and leader of the first and only true Christian Church. You are the only heretic here.

          • Gunny

            Are you saying the CCC is not important to you?

          • Gunny

            I know that so why do you pray to, and worship statues, beads and long dead people?

          • Eskimo man

            We do not pray to, and worship statues and beads. The fact that you say this means you do not have a clue what Catholics do at all. We use statues to help us with a visual image to help us pray. They are all blessed by God through the Priest that blesses them. On praying to the dead, if a man in hell can communicate with the dead Abraham and ask him to intercede for his living brothers on earth, how much more can we the living communicate with Abraham and the entire Communion of Saints and ask them to intercede for us?

            Revelation 5:8: And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders fell down before the Lamb, each holding a harp, and with golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints;

            Revelation 8:3: And another angel came and stood at the altar with a golden censer; and he was given much incense to mingle with the prayers of all the saints upon the golden altar before the throne.

            Matthew 22: 31-32: And as for the resurrection of the dead, have you not read what was said to you by God, `I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’? He is not God of the dead, but of the living.”

            Luke 20:35-36: but those who are accounted worthy to attain to that age and to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage, for they cannot die any more, because they are equal to angels and are sons of God, being sons of the resurrection.

            Hebrews 13:7: Remember your leaders, those who spoke to you the word of God; consider the outcome of their life, and imitate their faith.

            James 5:10: As an example of suffering and patience, brethren, take the prophets who spoke in the name of the Lord.

            John 17:21-22: so that they may all be one, as
            you, Father, are in me and I in you, that they also may be in us, that the world may believe that you sent me, And I have given them the glory you gave me, so that they may be one, as we are one.

            1 Corinthians 6:17: But he who is united to the Lord becomes one spirit with him.

            1 Timothy 2:1: First of all, then, I urge that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and thanksgivings be made for all men.

            Luke 9:28-31: Now about eight days after these sayings he took with him Peter and John and James, and went up on the mountain to pray. And as he was praying, the appearance of his countenance was altered, and his raiment became dazzling white. And behold, two men talked with him, Moses and Elijah, who appeared in glory and spoke of his departure, which he was to accomplish at Jerusalem.

            You say you see no reason why we should pray to the Saints since God can hear us and help us just as well, and will do so gladly, as any Saint in Heaven. Well, then, what need, I ask, do you have to ask any physician to help your fever, or to ask and pay any surgeon to heal your sore leg? For God can both hear you and help you as well as the best of doctors. He loves you more than they do, and He can help you sooner. Besides—–His poultices are cheaper and He will give you more for your words alone than they will for your money.

          • Gunny

            OK; post your scriptures that tell about Jesus’ or even Paul’s prayer beads and statues to help with a visual image for their prayers, or ANYWHERE where God approved of statues (images) to be included in services that were in His honor.

          • Eskimo man

            You post the scriptures that say we cannot use sacramentals blessed by God. Where in the scriptures does God say you can use the internet? Where in the scriptures does it say that God’s word is only in the Bible? Where in the scriptures does it talk about the protestant reformation? Where in the scriptures does it say there is more than one Christian Church? You’ve got nothing.

          • Gunny

            No reason I should have to prove any negative , just give me the verses where Paul told his fledgling startup churches to erect statues of mother Mary and worship and pray to her, and use a holy bead string to help keep count like an abacus. No heretic Catholic has ever sufficiently answered this challenge, but when you or someone smarter than you does it it will change everything. Of course it’s not going to happen because Paul and the other apostles never taught any such pagan crap. So just shut up with NO leg to stand on.

          • Eskimo man

            You shut up you heretic hypocrite. We don’t worship Mary you
            dummy, and everything is not in the Bible. The Church has been in contact with Jesus and Mary throughout the ages. The Holy Rosary was given to us by Mary, and is like a mini Bible, where we meditate on the life of Jesus through the different mysteries of His life. It is far from pagan worship, and you are the one with no leg to stand on. You are just another occult follower, and hate
            filled accuser. Why don’t you worry about your own relationship with Jesus, and loving thy neighbour?

          • Gunny

            No answer to my very specific question, but I didn’t really expect you to have one.

          • carole smith

            Where the Bible is silent, we are silent.

          • carole smith

            You pray to Abraham? Why? Is Abraham God?

          • Eskimo man

            I don’t pray to Abraham you dummy, and I never said that I did. Is your mother God? Is your father God? But you talk to them don’t you? You protestants are so foolish, and hypocritical.

          • carole smith

            Well, if you are saying you call on Abraham to intercede for you, then what do you call it? Jesus is the only one who can intercede for us. Also, why call me names? I didn’t call you names. I really feel bad for you. I wish you would study this. Please don’t blindly follow any man on this earth who tells you what you should believe.

          • tammy

            Mary was born full of grace, as all children are. But as a human, she did not stay perfect. God was not looking for perfect, he was looking for human

          • Eskimo man

            You like making the rules up as you go along don’t you? All children are not born full of grace, only Mary was; and all children are born with original sin, but not Mary, or John the Baptist.

          • tammy

            Original sin is a fallacy. All children are born innocent. It is what society does to them after they are born that teaches them to be what they are as the grow. No baby was ever born bad.

          • Eskimo man

            Original sin is not a fallacy, it is the reason why we have to be baptised to remove that stain of sin from our parents of humanity. All babies are born with the stain of original sin. You do not have enough knowledge of God, or the truth to argue with me. So why don’t you join the Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church of God, to receive all the knowledge you need from the Holy Spirit, to be saved, and become one with Christ? The Holy Catholic Church is the house of God, and the foundation of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15.

          • tammy

            God Bless and save your soul. I hope you will believe the truth when Jesus tells you himself.

          • Eskimo man

            Jesus has told me Himself. That is why I will not deviate from the truth.

          • tammy

            Did he fb you????

          • Eskimo man

            You are a member of the anti Catholic Church occult.
            ROSICRUCIANS AND FREEMASONS
            THE HOUSE OF STUART
            The Habsburg realm became internally divided when the German princes of the Empire had largely supported the Protestant movement against the Catholic Church, which was ostensibly defended by the Habsburg rulers. The rising tide of the Protestant movement came to a head in Bohemia, where the Kabbalistic underground surfaced in the manner of the Order of the Rosicrucians, otherwise known as the Order of the Rosy Cross. The ultimate aim of the Order was that of abolishing the Church, and replacing it with a government of “wise” rulers. As explained by occult historian Laurence Gardner:
            It was by no chance that Martin Luther’s protest gained support in some very influential circles, for Rome had many enemies in high places. Not the least of these enemies were the Knights Templars, and the underground Hermetic societies whose esoteric crafts had been condemned by the Catholic Inquisition. The truth was not so much that Luther gained the support of others, but that he was the willing instrument of an already active movement which endeavoured to dismantle the rigid international domination of the Pope. As we now know, some of the chief architects of the Reformation – Martin Luther, Philip Melanchthon, Johannes Reuchlin, Jan Amos Kozmensky – belonged to occult societies, and that is what you belong to.

          • tammy

            Really, do I get a discount at hotels with that?

          • tammy

            You do not know what I am. I do not believe in the Catholic church and their teachings, because they have perverted the gospel. But I do love “most” Catholic people. If you were so sure of your religion, you wouldn’t care what people say, only people with insecurities in their beliefs would get so crazy. Have a good life and seek the truth.

          • Eskimo man

            I have the truth, and you oppose it. I have no insecurities, and no beliefs, only truth. The Catholic Church gave the Bible to the world, and you protestants who are deceived by the occult are the ones that have perverted it. You are blind to the truth, and I feel sorry for people like you.

          • carole smith

            Ort did not call God weak. You saw the question marks in his reply.

          • carole smith

            Jesus is the Son of God, as well as the Son of man, because He is the Son of God, born in flesh to live on earth as a man, and die for us. Hence, the Son of God is also the Son of man.

          • JAPHETH

            calling for ONE WORLD RELIGION..?

          • Eskimo man

            It is the Illuminati that calls for a one world religion, and that religion will not follow Christ, but the devil instead. But God calls for a one world religion of truth, and protestants are not a part of that religion. They are a part of the Illuminati version, considering that the protestant reformation was conducted by secret societies of the occult. Devil worshippers who conspire to destroy the one true Church of God.

          • tammy

            And your Pope will lead the NWO one world religion. He will lead millions to damnation. This Pope is in collusion with the Adversary, and that is Catholic Prophecy. Look it up

          • Eskimo man

            You are leading your self to hell, unless you are mentally retarded, which it does seem that you are by your mentally retarded words.

          • tammy

            Calling names, you must feel intimidated. Sorry.

          • Eskimo man

            Why would I feel intimidated by a dumb slut whore of Babylon? I can’t print informative comments on this site, as it is too slow. Anyway you would reject the truth because you follow the devil.

          • tammy

            That is way funny coming from you LOL

          • tammy

            This Pope is the religious leader under the anti-Christ. That is Catholic prophecy. So how could the Catholic church be anything of God. The Pope is leading the Catholic people to hell

          • Eskimo man

            You are not very smart, are you tammy? What Catholic prophecy states that this Pope is the religious leader under the anti-Christ? Do you even know what the Pope says on a daily basis? I’m sure you don’t, because if you did, you would not make idiotic comments like that. Everyone can see who you belong to, by the fruits that you bare. The fact is that you are following the anti Christ, and you are a member of the occult.

          • tammy

            I didn’t make that, look it up. It is prophecy from your own church. yOU DO NOt know your religion as good as you think. Your Pope that made the prophecy named the Pope that would do all these terrible things and he gave the number of Popes. This is the one. Your church, your Pope made this prophecy, not me. Study your own house before you follow him to your damnation. Your own church told you he is the one that will lead millions to their final deaths. Check it out if you are not afraid to find out the truth

          • Eskimo man

            This comment is your most idiotic comment to date. I know exactly what you are talking about, and the Church never made that prophecy, it is a hoax that anti Catholic protestants love to hear and believe. I personally can’t believe the mentally retarded stuff you people come up with. The Catholic Church is the truth, and you are full of lies. YOU ARE A LIAR !!!

          • tammy

            It was my Catholic friends who told me about it. I looked it up. Before that I had some respect for the catholic church, now I realize my Dad was right. It is the whore of Babylon. The church is corrupt, not the followers, many of which are great people. You, not so great, my friends are wonderful people, but then I guess there is always one bad apple. I do hate that so many people have been lead astray.

          • Eskimo man

            You are the whore of Babylon, the harlot of all harlots that murders Catholics. Your Catholic friends are brain dead idiots who are deceived by the devil. You are the devils whore, the lowest form of life there is. You are total scum of the earth.

          • tammy

            And you say you like women? I am so glad I married a righteous man. My husband would never lower himself to such vile comments. You need to go to confession

          • Eskimo man

            You clearly must have married an idiot to except you as his dumb wife. Why don’t you go to confession?

          • tammy

            Confess to a pervert. No, I talk to the almighty. The only way to heaven is through Jesus, not some sinning priest

          • Eskimo man

            Confession
            Proverbs 28:13: He who conceals his transgressions will
            not prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy.
            (**NOTE – Besides being unbiblical, not confessing
            your sins to God’s duly appointed ministers (John 20:22) would be like not ever telling your doctor where your physical ailments are).
            Sirach 4:26: Do not be ashamed to confess your sins,
            and do not try to stop the current of a river.
            Mark 1:4-5: John the baptizer appeared in the
            wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. And there went out to him all the country of Judea, and all the people of Jerusalem; and they were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins.
            John 20:22-23:”And when he had said this, he breathed on
            them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
            (**NOTE – [23] Whose sins: See here the commission, stamped by the broad seal of heaven, by virtue of which the pastors of Christ’s church absolve repenting sinners upon
            their confession.)
            1 John 1:9: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness
            2 Corinthians 5:18-20: All this is from God, who through Christ
            reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
            Acts 19:18-19: Many also of those who were now believers
            came, confessing and divulging their practices. And a number of those who practiced magic arts brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all; and they counted the value of them and found it came to fifty thousand pieces of silver.

          • tammy

            I go directly to Jesus, not to men who sin. Jesus intercedes on our behave, not some child molester. I would go talk to my Bishop if I needed more. Repentance is between you, God and anyone you have wronged. After talking to God, I was told to be kind to you, you are just a lost soul. God said there is still hope for you. So I am signing off from you and pray you will listen to God and not follow mans laws but Gods

          • Eskimo man

            So what you are saying is that you reject Jesus, and you want to do things your way, and not His.
            Luke 10:16: [16] He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me.
            Are you sure you are talking to God, or is it the devil or a demon?

          • tammy

            You have no spirit in you to be able to discern the meaning of the scriptures.

          • Eskimo man

            It is true that I cannot interpret the scriptures on my own, and it is forbidden. 2 Peter 1:20. That is what Jesus gave us the Catholic Church to do. Considering the Church gave us the Bible, and canonized it, you would think that the Church knows how to interpret it. It is you that has no spirit in you to discern the meaning of the scriptures.

          • tammy

            See there, that is why Catholics are at a disadvantage. The Priest only tell them what they want them to know and do not allow an informed populous.

          • Eskimo man

            The only disadvantage that we have, is in this world, as the world is against us, and the world is against Jesus.
            Personal Interpretation of Scripture Forbidden

            Nehemiah 8:1-9: [1] And the seventh month came: and the children of Israel were in their cities. And all the people were gathered together as one man to the street which is before
            the water gate, and they spoke to Esdras the scribe, to bring the book of the law of Moses, which the Lord had commanded to Israel. [2] Then Esdras the priest brought the law before the multitude of men and women, and all those that could understand, in the first day of the seventh month. [3] And
            he read it plainly in the street that was before the water gate, from the morning until midday, before the men, and the women, and all those that could understand: and the ears of all the people were attentive to the book. [4] And Esdras the scribe stood upon a step of wood, which he had made to speak upon, and there stood by him Mathathias, and Semeia, and Ania, and Uria, and Helcia, and Maasia, on his right hand: and on the left, Phadaia, Misael, and Melchia, and Hasum, and Hasbadana, Zacharia and Mosollam. [5] And Esdras opened the book before all the people: for he was above all the people: and when he had opened it, all the people stood. [6] And Esdras blessed the Lord the great God: and all the people answered, Amen, amen: lifting up their hands: and they bowed down, and adored God with their faces to the ground. [7] Now Josue, and Bani, and Serebia, Jamin, Accub, Sephtai, Odia, Maasia, Celtia, Azarias, Jozabed, Hanan, Phalaia, the Levites, made silence among the people to
            hear the law: and the people stood in their place. [8] And
            they read in the book of the law of God distinctly and plainly to be understood: and they understood when it was read. [9] And
            Nehemias (he is Athersatha) and Esdras the priest and scribe, and the Levites who interpreted to all the people, said: This is a holy day to the Lord our God: do not mourn, nor weep: for all the people wept, when they heard the words of the law.
            Acts 8:29-31:And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this
            chariot.” So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?” And he said, “How can I, unless some one guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.
            2 Peter 1:20: First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but
            men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God. 2 Peter 3:15-16: And count the forbearance of our Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.
            (**NOTE – Trying to understand the meaning of scripture IN ITS ENTIRETY without an instructor would be like trying to
            understand the Theory of Relativity without Einstein as a teacher. No subject that is learned in school is learned without an intelligent instructor teaching it to us. Only when it comes to our salvation and the Bible do some people erroneously assert that we can do it all by ourselves. If you need a teacher for calculus, Latin, and physics, you most certainly need one for the Bible – Your salvation is at stake, after all. The bible was written in Hebrew and Greek, in vastly different cultures, thousands of years ago, with different idioms and different meanings to words. Trying to understand all of that with 21rst century English WITHOUT an interpreter and guide is very
            foolish indeed.)
            2 Peter 1: [16] For we have not by following artificial fables, made known to you the power, and presence of our Lord Jesus Christ; but we were eyewitnesses of his greatness. [17]
            For he received from God the Father, honour and glory: this voice coming down to him from the excellent glory: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. [18]
            And this voice we heard brought from heaven, when we were with him in the holy mount. [19] And we have the more firm prophetical word: whereunto you do well to attend, as to a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: [20] Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation. (**NOTE – [20] No prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation: This shews plainly that the scriptures are not to be expounded by any one’s private judgment or private spirit,
            because every part of the holy scriptures were written by men inspired by the Holy Ghost, and declared as such by the Church; therefore they are not to be interpreted but by the Spirit of God, which he hath left, and promised to remain with his Church to guide her in all truth to the end of the world. Some may tell us, that many of our divines interpret the scriptures: they may do so, but they do it always with a submission to the judgment of the Church, and not otherwise.)
            [21] For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost. 1 Timothy 3 [14] These things I write to thee, hoping that I shall come to thee shortly. [15] But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
            (**NOTE – [15] The pillar and ground of the truth: Therefore the church of the living God can never uphold error, nor bring in corruptions, superstition, or idolatry.)

          • tammy

            Feel better?????

          • tammy

            Dream on. I love my Catholic friend, but you can keep the Pope. You know what, I hope the Prophecy is wrong, only because it would hurt my friends, but then that would make one of your “prophets” wrong. BTW, the “retarded” people that came up with that Prophecy are good Catholics and attend mass regularly.

          • Eskimo man

            You are full of shit slut.

          • tammy

            Nasty mouth. No real thoughts, just spewing hate with a foul tongue. You must be so proud of you hate and your anti-Christian rants. I am sure that is right in line with your leaders. Jesus said “you will know my followers by their fruit” WOW, we see your fruit loud and clear. There is no Godliness in you. God can not dwell in filth

          • Eskimo man

            So you don’t like being abused, but it is ok to attack over 1 billion Catholics with your hate filled anti Catholic drivel. I have never claimed to be a good Catholic, just a knowledgeable one. I know you are wrong about what you say, can you blame me for giving it back to you. All you are doing is pestering me, and you are behaving just as unchristian as me, just in a different way. Actually you are worse than me as you pass judgement on me, and only God can judge. You would not have a clue how much Godliness is in me, as you don’t know me, you have never seen me, and you have never spoken to me in person. You fake Christians really get me fired up.

          • tammy

            Obviously, you have no self control. I don’t need to know you, you are obvious by your comments. I have no problem with most of the Catholic people, it is the leaders who are corrupt and leading good people away from God. What makes you think I am pestering you? I am just responding to your childish comments.

          • Eskimo man

            You are obviously a part of an evil anti Catholic cult, and a total hypocrite. If you were following Jesus, you would not have attacked in the first place, and you would have left me alone by now. But you don’t follow Jesus do you? You are a part of the Masonic New World Order, (The Synagogue of Satan) that wants to do away with the true Church of Christ. That is the foundation of your evil religion.
            King James – The Founder of Freemason Lodges. The KJV – A Freemason Bible. The history of King James’ role in the formation of Freemasonry is mandatory reading in the Hiram Key book of Masonic scrolls attempting to link Christ with the Pharaohs. Freemasonry, in its present form, came into being through the Lodge system, established under the auspices of King James VI of Scotland, (later King James I of England), the only son of Roman Catholic Mary Queen of Scots. At the age of 37, two years after becoming a Mason, James became the first Stuart king of England and immediately began to persecute the Puritans, rejecting their petition to reform the Church of England along biblical lines. James was initiated into
            Freemasonry, into the Lodge of Scoon and Perth in 1601, at the age of 35. Fifteen years after taking active control of Scotland and five years before becoming English monarch, he ordered that the Masonic structure be given leadership and organisation. He made a senior Mason, named William Schaw, his General Warden of the Craft, and instructed Schaw to revamp the entire structure of Freemasonry into what it became today. Schaw commenced this project on 28th December 1598, on the orders of James. To this day, the 1611 edition of the King James Bible remains the Freemason Bible and is the edition conventionally used in secret Masonic temple rituals. Moriel does not, however believe that the Masonic association with the KJV or the Freemasonry of King
            James, founder of the Masonic Lodge system, detracts from the validity of this outdated but valid translation of the Bible. Nonetheless, it is the Freemason Bible and has been from its inception, commissioned and authorised by the same
            Freemason King who commissioned and authorised the Masonic Lodge structure. We can only speculate how many members of the KJV Only cult are in fact Freemasons.

          • tammy

            And I hear it is the Catholic church who are the Free masons. With their Satanic rituals held at the Vatican. It is the Catholic church that will back the NWO and create the NWO religion with the Pope as it’s head. They have you completely brainwashed. DO NOT WRITE ME BACK, I’VE HAD MY FILL OF YOU. You are not worth the effort to rebuttle

          • Eskimo man

            If you accuse the Church of being Freemason, you accuse Jesus also.
            Luke 10:16: [16] He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me.
            You believe everything you hear, but not the word of God in the Bible. Now you say that worshipping Jesus at the Vatican, is a satanic ritual? The anti Catholic, anti Christ cult has you completely brainwashed. DO NOT WRITE ME BACK, I’VE HAD MY FILL OF YOU. You are not worth the effort to rebuttal.

          • tammy

            Wrong, Jesus has no ties with the Catholic church. They do not teach his gospel. Jesus and the Catholic Papacy are working on opposite agendas

          • Eskimo man

            Correction, you have no ties with Jesus, as Jesus is in the Church, and the Head of the Church. The Church can never fail, and has never gone against the word of God. You are a liar, and bare false witness against thy neighbour.

          • tammy

            Right back at ya. You do not practice what you preach?

          • tammy

            Not attacking the Catholic people, only those in control who are leading good people away from the truth and light of the gospel.

          • Eskimo man

            You are attacking Catholic people, as we make up the Catholic Church. If you are only attacking those in control, then you are attacking Jesus Himself, as He is in control, and the Head of our Church, and we are His Body. The Church is the Bride of Christ, as the Bride and Groom become one. You and your occult leaders are the ones that are leading good people away from the truth and light of the Gospel.

          • tammy

            Love the Catholic people, except for a few, but hate they are being lead astray.

          • Eskimo man

            You are the one that has been led astray. There would be no Christianity with out the Catholic Church that Christ created. There certainly would not be any protestants of the occult, as there would be nothing to protest. If you are anti Catholic, then you are anti Christ.

          • tammy

            Satan also has pretty words that he will use to lure the people in. Pretty words do not mean a pretty soul

          • Eskimo man

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          • tammy

            LOL, You really are a bad Catholic. I pray Satan lets go of your soul

          • Eskimo man

            You are satan’s whore of Babylon.

          • tammy

            LOL, doesn’t it get old calling names??? You really have no vocabulary or ability to converse, so you resort to name calling. They have games you can play to help you think and improve your ability to communicate

          • tammy

            LOL

          • carole smith

            The pope is a false prophet. Jesus warned us that there would be false prophets, and the pope is a perfect example.

          • Eskimo man

            You are a false prophet, as everything you say is false. If the Pope is a false Prophet, what does he say that is false? Mind you I know what he says, as I read what he says everyday. So don’t give me any false crap, as it would make you a liar.

          • Dawn Ludwig

            The bible is clear that we must be born again. We do not become born again over and over again. We do need to repent over and over again. Every day we must repent of our sin to God and God alone. Not some priest that has you calling him “Father” to which both are not biblical.

          • Eskimo man

            Un Biblical? Call No Man on Earth Father?
            Matthew 15:4: For God commanded, `Honour your father
            and your mother,’ and, `He who speaks evil of father or mother, let him surely die.
            Luke 2:48:And when they saw him they were astonished; and
            his mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us so? Behold, your father and I have been looking for you anxiously
            John 8: 54-56: Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing; it is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say that he is your God. But you have not known him; I know him. If I said, I do not know him, I should be a liar like you; but I do know him and I keep his word. Your father Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day; he saw it and was glad.”
            Acts 7:2: And Stephen said: “Brethren and fathers hear me. The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopota’mia, before he lived in Haran,
            Romans 4:12: and likewise the father of the circumcised who are not merely circumcised but also follow the example of the
            faith which our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.
            Here St Paul claims to be our father.
            1 Corinthians 4:15: For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.
            You clearly do not know the Bible, or Jesus.

          • ort

            It is you who don’t know the Bible, romanist. Our earthly father can be called father.
            But The Lord taught that you should call no man “Father” if he is in a position of authority. He clearly meant this in Matthew when He spoke of the teachers of the Law and the Pharisees.

            “But you are not to be called “Rabbi”, for you have only one Master and you are all brothers. AND DO NOT CALL ANYONE ON EARTH “FATHER” FOR YOU HAVE ONE FATHER AND HE IS IN HEAVEN. Nor are you to be called “teacher”, for you have one Teacher, the Christ.” Matthew 23:8-10.

            This is quite clear, and shows the blasphemy of the RCC for daring to call the un Biblical “pope” “Holy Father”!! This is God’s title!! Period!!

          • Eskimo man

            It is you who don’t know the Bible, heretic. The Bible clearly disagrees with you on calling no man on earth father. 2 thousand years ago, and before, the title father meant God. So the passage, and it’s true understanding is, call no man on earth God. Too bad you don’t have the Church to teach you this fact. You are clearly in another world.

          • ort

            Just ignore Matthew 23:8-10. Simple, clear, concise Scripture, but you have to make it complicated. See, if you actually took it to heart and did what Jesus said, you would have to acknowledge that your Babylonian cult is wrong. And you can’t have that now, can you……….

          • Eskimo man

            Who is a member of a Babylonian cult heretic?
            King James – The Founder of Freemason Lodges The KJV – A Freemason Bible
            The history of King James’ role in the formation of Freemasonry is mandatory reading in the Hiram Key book of Masonic scrolls
            attempting to link Christ with the Pharaohs. Freemasonry, in its present form, came into being through the Lodge system, established under the auspices of King James VI of Scotland, (later King James I of England), the only son of Roman Catholic Mary Queen of Scots. At the age of 37, two years after becoming a Mason, James became the first Stuart king of England and immediately began to persecute the Puritans, rejecting their petition to reform the Church of England along biblical lines. James was initiated into Freemasonry, into the
            Lodge of Scoon and Perth in 1601, at the age of 35. Fifteen years after taking active control of Scotland and five years before becoming English monarch, he ordered that the Masonic structure be given leadership and organisation. He made a senior Mason, named William Schaw, his General Warden of the Craft, and instructed Schaw to revamp the entire structure of Freemasonry into what it became today. Schaw commenced this project on 28th December 1598, on the orders of James. To this day, the 1611 edition of the King James Bible remains the
            Freemason Bible and is the edition conventionally used in secret Masonic temple rituals. Moriel does not, however believe that the Masonic association with the KJV or the Freemasonry of King James, founder of the Masonic Lodge system, detracts from the validity of this outdated but valid translation of the Bible. Nonetheless, it is the Freemason Bible and has been from its inception, commissioned and authorised by the same Freemason King who commissioned and authorised the Masonic Lodge structure. We can only speculate how many members of the KJV Only cult are in fact Freemasons.

          • ort

            Matthew 23:8-10. Unless and until you answer this, I will ignore you. Stop building your straw men.

          • Eskimo man

            Matthew 23: [8] But be not you called Rabbi. For one is your master; and all you are brethren. [9] And call none your father upon earth; for one is your father, who is in heaven. [10] Neither be ye called masters; for one is your master, Christ.
            (NOTE:- [9] Call none your father upon earth: Neither be ye called masters. The meaning is that our Father in heaven is incomparably more to be regarded, than any father upon earth: and no master to be followed, who would lead us away from Christ. But this does not hinder but that we are by the law of God to have a due respect both for our parents and spiritual fathers, (1 Cor. 4. 15) and for our masters and teachers.)
            Call No Man on Earth Father?
            Matthew 15:4: For God commanded, `Honor your father and your mother,’ and, `He who speaks evil of father or mother, let him surely die.
            Luke 2:48:And when they saw him they were astonished; and
            his mother said to him, “Son, why have you treated us so? Behold, your father and I have been looking for you anxiously John 8: 54-56: Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing; it is my Father who glorifies me, of whom you say
            that he is your God. But you have not known him; I know him. If I said, I do not know him, I should be a liar like you; but I do know him and I keep his word. Your father Abraham rejoiced that he was to see my day; he saw it and was glad.”
            Acts 7:2: And Stephen said: “Brethren and fathers hear me. The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham, when he was in Mesopota’mia, before he lived in Haran,
            Romans 4:12: and likewise the father of the circumcised who are not merely circumcised but also follow the example of the
            faith which our father Abraham had before he was circumcised.
            1 Corinthians 4:15: For though you have countless guides in Christ, you do not have many fathers. For I became your father in Christ Jesus through the gospel.

          • ort

            That is no answer. What you have done is type verses. I said to answer Jesus’s command that people not be given a title that belongs to God the Father, and God the Son, such as “HOLY FATHER”, and “Master”.

            If you can’t/won’t/refuse to admit that the RCC position on calling a sinful, fallible man by God’s Title is wrong, then we are done here.
            You are enslaved in your religion heavily steeped in paganism.
            You choose for it to be that way. You are accountable for it.
            Good day.

          • Eskimo man

            I answered you with the word of God, if you reject it, you reject God in all your foolishness. I know for a fact that the Catholic Church is Holy, as it contains Jesus, and all the truth. If you are against the Church, you are against God. If you are anti Catholic, then you belong with the occult that serves the devil, and is the source of anti Catholicism which destroys Christianity. You are the only pagan here, that vomits nothing but hate from your big mouth. You are accountable for that hypocrite.

          • ort

            You answered NOTHING. Continue to play a game with your very soul. It’s yours to lose, if that is what you want. I hope you are saved, because eternity is a very long time.
            Goodbye.

          • Eskimo man

            Go away foolish one.

          • tammy

            The Catholic church distorted the gospel and changed the meanings of many marvelous parts of the Bible, during the dark ages when men of sin ran the church and used their positions to become powerful and rich. The Catholic church does not represent the gospel of Jesus Christ. They have very little truth in their teachings and have many sinners who ran their church for centuries. Their gospel is perverted

          • Eskimo man

            How can you say that the Church distorted the gospel, when the gospel came from the Church in the first place? There
            was no Christian Bible until the late 4th Century, when Pope Damasus I put the
            Canon together, which was ratified at the Councils of Rome, Hippo, and
            Carthage. Therefore, it would have been
            impossible for the first Christians to have used “Sola Scriptura”, or
            the Bible Alone as a guide to salvation. It wasn’t until the 16th Century that
            this doctrine was invented by Martin Luther. The Church is the House of God, and the pillar and foundation of the truth 1Timothy 3:15. You have no evidence at all to support your evil claims, and not much brains either. Your post is just an anti Catholic rant that shows you are with the occult. The KJV Bible was created by Masons, and for Masons in their Lodges for satanic rituals. Grow up before you get involved with adult business little girl.

          • tammy

            Easily, the Catholic church was corrupt and used the religion for their own gain and to control the people. The actual gospel was not written by “the Catholic Church”. The Catholic church twisted and perverted the gospel. The leaders of the “church” were evil men in the middle ages. I do believe the Catholics of today have gotten back to some of the truth, but they have lost a lot of the pure and simple ways of the gospel. Their whole church is based on corruption started in the middle ages. I believe the Catholic people are a good people who do the best they know how, but the “church” does not represent God. That being said, I think anyone who believes in the Christian God and Jesus is better than others in the world and all “Christians ” need to stick together or we will be over run, persecuted and killed. God bless America and all her Christians in Christ

          • Eskimo man

            All you have are dumb stupid claims, with no evidence or anything to back them up. I don’t think you believe in Jesus, as He clearly started a Church, gave it the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, and promised that the gates of hell will not prevail against it. The Bible is a Catholic book. You can’t tell anyone to stick together, while at the same time attacking the true Church of Christianity. The protestant reformation was constructed by the occult. So non Catholics are actually following the occult, and not Jesus. God Bless America? What a joke, the US is the most evil country in the world, and totally run by the Illuminati. (Devils) Grow a brain and stop being foolish. You can make any claims you want, but I know for a fact they are not true. Keep your evil dribble to yourself.

          • Pax Humana

            Your words already condemn you and the Roman Catholic “church” is also a part of the same movement as the “KJV Only” cult, Islam, and the rest of the liars of Lucifer, period, full stop.

          • Eskimo man

            Another idiot that claims that the catholic Church are actually in it together with their enemies. KJV only cult hate the Catholic Church. Islam hates the Catholic Church, and everyone else. All the liars of the devil hate the Catholic Church. The devil hates the Catholic Church. Jesus loves the Catholic Church. Grow a brain idiot.

          • Pax Humana

            I grew one and you are the one that is without one, you fucking douchebag. Yes, you ARE an idiot, yes, you KNOW that you are an idiot, and Lucifer has you blinded to a system that appeased pagans and let them continue a farce of Christianity by allowing Mary to be a mediatrix of YAHASHUA HA’MASHIACH when He VERY plainly said in His Word that there was NO way that anyone could come to the Father but through Himself, period, full stop! Like I said, cunt lick, you can not stop me unless you come at me in real life and that you are wiling to murder me in cold blood, but I will not give you that chance to succeed in your life. Come at me, you Lucifer worshiping bitch.

          • Eskimo man

            I’m sure Jesus finds your words very pleasing to Him. You are behaving just like the hypocrite I knew you were. Get a life LOSER !!

          • Gunny

            The devil ‘loves’ the catholic church because it is his brainchild for the counterfeit church of christ. The pagan catholics are exactly like the Israelites that God sent into deep exile for worshiping other gods.

          • Eskimo man

            You continue to dig a very large hole for yourself, and you are clearly not Christian.

          • Gunny

            There is no hole to that truth.

          • tammy

            LOL you are deluded

          • Eskimo man

            I am glad, and truly blessed not to be American, as the US is the most evil country in the world. The US is completely controlled by occult secret societies, and always has been. You have been brainwashed into believing that you are free, what a joke. You accuse me of being a hater, but you started all the anti Catholic hate you hypocrite. You are just a dumb American.

          • tammy

            LOL, you and the rest of the world know that we are the best country in the world. You are all trying to get into our country. Other than BO it is a great country with the best people in the world.

          • Eskimo man

            I wouldn’t want to go near the crappy hole, with all it’s satanic symbolism all over the place, and brain dead people.

          • tammy

            You are the one missing out. This is a beautiful country with beautiful people. We have our nuts just like you do, but I can not imagine any place I’d rather be. I’ve lived in other countries and they are so far from us, I kissed the ground when I got home. No where I have lived comes anywhere close to the US. So sorry you will miss out on one of the best experiences you would ever have. God blesses America

          • Eskimo man

            America is ruled by the devil, and has been since the beginning.

          • tammy

            LOL and Australia is a penal colony LOL

          • Eskimo man

            Australia created the refrigerator that you use to keep your food and drink cold. Also the lawn mower, clothes line, and others that you would have thought that America could have thought them up. Aussies are proud of our convict heritage, because a bunch of convicts have kicked ass in the world. America needs Australia to do all the hard work in their wars of global domination, as American soldiers just aren’t that good.

          • tammy

            Mine come rom Taiwan

          • Gunny

            Claiming the idea/invention of air drying your laundry is almost as smart as claiming to invent shelves, shoes, and buildings with walls.

          • tammy

            I am confused. Did I say I invented air drying clothes???

          • Gunny

            Claiming the idea/invention of air drying your laundry is almost as smart as claiming to invent shelves, shoes, and buildings with walls.

          • tammy

            LOLOLOLOL Australia?????LOLOLOLOLO

          • Eskimo man

            The most hated country in the world is America, and it is also the most evil. The worlds worst enemy is America, and America’s worst enemy is America. Ha Ha Ha. Losers.

          • Gunny

            I want to get this straight; Australians invented the clothesline, cold drinks, and the lawnmower? What about the wheel and air? Wikipedia doesn’t support your refrigeration lie…

          • Eskimo man

            Australians invented the Hills Hoist, the Lawnmower, and refrigerators, that’s a fact. Who cares about Wikipedia? You are the only liar here mate.

          • Gunny

            Leave him alone Tammy we certainly don’t want him here. He’s probably the dregs of Australian society. you can tell he’s not smart enough to even read.

          • Gunny

            He clearly gave the keys to the Kingdom to those who had been given the kind of faith that Peter had which came from God instead of just seeing the works of Jesus. There is no Illuminati of significance, and yes America has been given their last chance and lost. (when in 2012 the whole country prayed for Obama to be kicked out and he wasn’t, that was plain proof of God’s will)

          • Eskimo man

            Jesus gave the keys to Peter and the Church. Your words are not the words of Jesus.

          • Gunny

            Again; you are not the judge of me or my words, and again my words are the truth. You need to see the light instead of the angel of light.

          • carole smith

            Where in the Bible do you find that?

          • Eskimo man

            Matthew 16:16-19

          • carole smith

            That is not what it says. Jesus built HIS church on the fact that Jesus is the Son of the living God, not on Peter. Why on earth would Jesus build a church that is all about Jesus on Peter? He didn’t.

          • Eskimo man

            It is what it says, you do not have a true Bible. The Pope is the rock that holds true to the word of God, and protects the word of God from heretics like you. The position of Pope is what has held Christianity together for nearly 2000 years. All you protestants have is arguments and disagreements, and that is not Christianity.

          • carole smith

            Catholicism is very evil. The pope and priests keep you in the dark, they have given you a false bible to keep you in the dark. The only reason they gave you any kind of bible was because the Bible was being printed in English, so the people could understand the truth and read it for themselves, so the catholics had to bring out their own version, and tell their followers to only read their version, not the true Bible. The things that the catholics do in worship are not in the Bible. I feel so sorry for the people who in all innocence, are being held captive to the catholic religion. They are told they will go to hell if they leave this profane religious cult. If you follow the Bible, and do what the Lord Jesus said to do, and the Apostles said to do, then you can become a Christian. If you follow the pope and the catholic cult, you will only become a catholic. You may be what they call a “good catholic”, but you will never become a Christian by following the catholic religion. I am very confident that my following only what the New Testament says to do, by learning about God, and Jesus, by being sorry for my sins, by repenting, and by being immersed completely in water(baptism), and arising to walk in newness of life, I have been added to the Lord’s Church, just as He said I would, just as you could, too, if you would only follow what He(Jesus) said. No amount of any other thing will do. Please get yourself to a true preacher of the Gospel, please read a true translation of the Bible. If your priest says not to read it, then you know you are probably on the right track, because he will want to keep you in the dark, telling you that you shouldn’t read anything he doesn’t approve. Please come out of the darkness and into the light. The Dark Ages are over, you can learn the truth, not just what the pope tells you to believe, because the catholic religion cannot stand if the people would just learn the truth. I know several former catholics, who are now Christians, you can do it, too. Look for the truth, man. Your posting here may just be the Lord’s way of getting your attention, telling you that you are wrong to blindly follow a man who is considered as Jesus on earth by his followers. It is a shameful thing to do to people, but the catholics have been doing this since their official beginning in 312 a.d.

          • Eskimo man

            You are just another lying protestant troll of the occult.

          • Eskimo man

            It is what it says, you do not have a true Bible. The Pope is the rock that holds true to the word of God, and protects the word of God from heretics like you. The position of Pope is what has held Christianity together for nearly 2000 years. All you protestants have is arguments and disagreements, and that is not Christianity.

          • Eskimo man

            It is what it says, you do not have a true Bible. The Pope is the rock that holds true to the word of God, and protects the word of God from heretics like you. The position of Pope is what has held Christianity together for nearly 2000 years. All you protestants have is arguments and disagreements, and that is not Christianity.

          • Eskimo man

            It is what it says, you do not have a true Bible. The Pope is the rock that holds true to the word of God, and protects the word of God from heretics like you. The position of Pope is what has held Christianity together for nearly 2000 years. All you protestants have is arguments and disagreements, and that is not Christianity.

          • Eskimo man

            It is what it says, you do not have a true Bible. The Pope is the rock that holds true to the word of God, and protects the word of God from heretics like you. The position of Pope is what has held Christianity together for nearly 2000 years. All you protestants have is arguments and disagreements, and that is not Christianity.

          • Gunny

            I believe the Universal church was started by Simon Magus who wanted to blend Christianity in with his pagan magician BS and he was the first pope. I didn’t dream this up, and there is quite a bit of documentation on the subject if you want to search for Simon Magus on line.

          • tammy

            Thanks for this info. Will check it out

          • Gunny

            The Holy Spirit has always been in charge of the early church from the beginning to today. For some reason the RCC didn’t want to listen to the Spirit, but instead wanted to concoct a combination that would please the hard core pagans and at least some of the confused Christians.

          • Eskimo man

            The early Church and the Catholic Church are the same Church scatter brains. The Holy Spirit has always been in charge of the Catholic Church, and the Church has always been the only one to live out the scriptures in fullness. Remember when Jesus breathed the Holy Spirit into the early Church, and gave it the power to forgive or retain sins? It’s funny how the Catholic Church is the only Church that fulfils that scripture.

          • Gunny

            You haven’t replied to my challenge to show scriptures where Paul taught his startup churches to build statues of Mary and the saints and worship them and pray to them. Come on man; Back up your mouth.

            Actually it went more like this.

            Joh_20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost: Joh 20:23 Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.

            Don’t see how you can claim that to be exclusive to the Catholic Church.(but please don’t respond to that, the more you post the dumber this string gets and I’m dropping out.)

          • carole smith

            Actually, they are not the same. The catholic religion didn’t actually come into being officially until 312 a.d.

          • Eskimo man

            They are the same Church that Jesus created, and I don’t know where you get the date 312 AD because they officially named the Church Catholic at the end of the 4th century, around the same time the Church canonized the true Bible.
            Ignatius called the Church Catholic (Kathlicos) in 97AD
            Ignatius said “wherever the Catholic Church is Christ
            is as well”… That’s no surprise considering the Church is the
            “Household of God” (1 Timothy 3:15)

          • Gunny

            You see how ridiculous you sound? The Early Church is described in great detail in several locations by Paul’s epistles. All the problems and what they need to do to come in line and not once is/are the PAGAN teachings and activities of the Catholic church mentioned. I don’t see how you catholic morons can claim to have started the early church when it is all spelled out very plainly in God’s Word. It make the rest of us wonder just who you God really is.

          • carole smith

            Your catholic priests must have told you these lies to keep you away from the truth.

          • Eskimo man

            It is just a fact of history, you are the one listening to liars. You would rather believe that a bunch of Christians without names did it. Just a fantasy of the protestant scammers.

          • carole smith

            You are right, catholicism is a perversion of the truth. As for the men who have run their “church” for centuries, the popes have been great hypocrites. While they were committing many sins, they were allowing their subjects to murder innocent people for what they considered the sin of rejecting the teachings of the Roman Catholic Church.

          • carole smith

            Read, ll Peter 2, it says there shall come from among you, false teachers, who will secretly introduce destructive heresies. That is where I believe the catholic religion go its start. In the first century when the true church began, some of the people who were members of the Churches of Christ, began to teach false things, then separated themselves from the true church. We did a wonderful study, which opened my eyes to just how apostasy began right out from the true church. All these denominations we have today were created by man, none of them are even in the Bible, including the catholic one.

          • Eskimo man

            The Lord is talking about you, who follow the heresies of Martin Luther, who was a member of the occult. The Lord created the Catholic Church, and gave it the keys to the kingdom of Heaven, and promised it that the gates of hell will not prevail against it. Matthew 16:17-. Jesus also said He will be with it till the end of the world. Matthew 28:20. He also said, Luke 10:16: [16] He that heareth you, heareth me; and he that despiseth you, despiseth me; and he that despiseth me, despiseth him that sent me.
            You are the heretics that are studying heresies from devils.

            2 Peter 1: [20] Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation.
            (NOTE**- [20] No prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation: This shews plainly that the scriptures are not to be expounded by any one’s private judgment or private spirit, because every part of the holy scriptures were written by men inspired by the Holy Ghost, and declared as such by the Church; therefore they are not to be interpreted but by the Spirit of God, which he hath left, and promised to remain with his Church to guide her in all truth to the end of the world. Some may tell us, that many of our divines interpret the scriptures: they may do so, but they do it always with a submission to the judgment of the Church, and not otherwise.

          • carole smith

            I do not follow Martin Luther. If you see in the New Testament, Paul said: “The Churches of Christ salute you”, well we believe that by going to the New Testament for what I believe, and how I worship, I can call myself a Christian, just like those early church Christians.

          • Eskimo man

            Anti Catholics do follow Martin Luther, as he was the first to break away from the Church, and change the word of God. The Bible came from the Catholic Church. Churches do not come from the Bible. The Catholic Church is the house of God, and the foundation of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15. You need to be a part of God’s Church, His people, the Body of Christ, to be a true Christian. The early Church Christians were Catholic, and you are just following a man made Church, not a God made Church.

          • carole smith

            You have obviously never ever studied either the Bible or how the world religions and denominations got their start. Nor have you ever heard of what was called the restoration movement, where men of some churches got together and decided to stop using man made creed and doctrines, and go back to the one true source, the Bible. If you had studied any of this, you would know that I do not follow Martin Luther, just because you say that.

          • Eskimo man

            I have studied the true Bible very well thankyou, and I know how most of the worlds religions were started, including how your religion was started by the devil using his members of the occult. The one true source is the Church, not the Bible. The Bible was not available to people for 1600 years. Why would Jesus wait that long before giving us His word? Jesus gave us His Church, and that Church is the house of God, and the foundation of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15. It seems more like you are the one that does not read the Bible.

          • carole smith

            Well, at least you admitted that the catholics follow a mere man, the pope, and his religion, and do not believe in what the Bible says.

          • Eskimo man

            You are a troll.

          • Gunny

            Many believe that Simon Magus was angry with Peter and started the universal church to spite him. Also it seems likely that Simonism was sending the super apostles around to the churches that Paul started and causing most of the trouble that Paul reported (spoke of)

          • Gunny

            To be anti catholic is to be anti universal and therefore anti one world church.

          • Eskimo man

            To be anti Catholic, is to persecute Christ the same as St Paul did. True Christians do not behave like this.

          • carole smith

            I am anti catholic. I say that with all hope in my heart that you will find out by reading the Gospel, that the catholic religion is an apostasy.

          • Eskimo man

            I’m sorry to hear that you are anti Catholic, and anti Bible. I will have to pray for you. The Gospel confirms that Jesus founded His Church with the Apostles, and that He would be with His Church till the end of days. He also gave the Church the power to forgive or retain sins, the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven, the power to change bread and wine into His Body and Blood, and Jesus promised that the gates of hell would not prevail against His Church. It appears as though your protestant, anti Catholic religion is an apostasy born from the occult.

          • carole smith

            Did you read what I wrote? I said anti catholic, not anti Bible. I read and study the Bible a lot. My church, which is patterned after the New Testament church is not catholic. The wine and bread do not turn into actual flesh or blood, they represent the body and blood of Christ. Represent, not magically turn into what they are not.

          • Eskimo man

            When Jesus says, “my flesh is real food, and my Blood is real drink” where does He say represent? Google the miracle of Lanciano, or Eucharistic miracles.

            Eucharistic
            Miracles http://www.acfp2000.com/Miracles/eucharistic.html

            Eucharistic
            Miracles of the world http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/engl_mir.htm

          • carole smith

            It is spiritual. The cup of win does not turn into actual blood, the bread does not turn into actual flesh. When he broke the bread and passed the cup at the Last Supper, they did not turn into blood and flesh, it was to be done as a representation of His blood which was shed for us, and his body which was nailed to the cross.

          • Eskimo man

            Yes it is a spiritual thing to receive the Body and Blood of
            our Lord Jesus Christ in Holy Communion. Whilst remaining in the appearance of bread and wine after the consecration on the Altar, they are truly transformed by the Holy Spirit into the Body and Blood of Jesus. This is called transubstantiation.
            Nowhere does Jesus say it was to be done as a representation of His Blood which was shed for us. In fact quite the opposite, as Jesus says clearly that His flesh is real food, and His blood is real drink. John 6:56 All the scriptures
            regarding this topic suggest Jesus was talking in the literal sense. Of course to receive His Body and Blood is a spiritual thing, as the things of the flesh profiteth nothing. When we receive Jesus in Holy Communion, He lives in us, and we live
            in Him. John 6:57. [54] Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. [55] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. [61] Many therefore
            of his disciples, hearing it, said: This saying is hard, and who can hear it? [62] But Jesus, knowing in himself, that his disciples murmured at this, said to them: Doth this scandalize you? [63] If then you shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before? [64] It is the spirit that quickeneth: the flesh profiteth nothing. The words that I have spoken to you, are spirit and life. [65] But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning, who they were that did not believe, and who he was, that would betray him.
            Jesus seems to make a strong point that to receive Him in
            Holy Communion, it makes the recipient and He one. It also gives life, and those that receive Him will be raised up at the last day. What about this scripture? 1 Corinthians 11: [26] For as often as you shall eat this bread, and drink the chalice, you shall shew the death of the Lord, until he come. [27] Therefore whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord
            unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. [28] But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread, and drink of the chalice. [29] For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily, eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.
            Now here we see that it is a covenant with the Lord and not
            just a symbolic action. Matthew 26:26-28: Now as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and broke it, and gave it to the disciples and said, “Take, eat; this is my body.” And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you; for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.
            (**NOTE – The Eucharist is a communal meal, a sacrificial meal, a memorial meal, and a sin-forgiving meal, according to
            Jesus.)
            How does eating bread and drinking wine make you closer to Jesus anyway? It is more unbelievable for Jesus to tell the Apostles to do a useless thing like eating bread and drinking wine to remember Him. Anyway, Catholics know that it is truly His Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity. To help us believe, Jesus has showed us miracles in various places, throughout the centuries, to prove it to us. Have you looked at these sites?
            Eucharistic Miracles http://www.acfp2000.com/Miracles/eucharistic.html

            Eucharistic
            Miracles of the world
            http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/mir/engl_mir.htm

          • carole smith

            Yes, we all who have studied the denominations and cults of the world know about the false teaching of transubstantiation.

          • carole smith

            Another title that man takes upon himself(and ever increasingly nowadays, women)is the title Reverend. In Psalm 111:9, it says: “He sent redemption unto His people, He hath commanded His covenant forever, Holy and Reverend is HIS name.” I do not address any man by that title, because it is used for the one we should revere-God. People who have never seen that verse, do not understand why I won’t “respect” their title. It isn’t that I don’t respect them, it is just that I do not revere them.

          • ort

            I call no priest “father”, I call no one “reverend”. I use their names preceded by “mr” or “pastor”. They don’t like it? Too bad.

          • Gunny

            Personally I don’t mind ‘reverend’ to bad, because avery Spirit filled Christian has some degree of reverence, and the “real” calling to the ministery marks a person as reverent. Of course if you don’t feel right about it (for sure) don’t do it

          • carole smith

            I am not talking about you having, reverence for
            God, I am talking about you calling a man on earth reverend. Who do you feel on this earth is deserving of a word that is used to describe God?

          • Gunny

            Well… Let’s see…
            1Jn 4:16 And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

            1Jn 4:17 Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have boldness in the day of judgment: because as he is, so are we in this world.

          • carole smith

            How do the verses you quoted answer my question?

          • Gunny

            No answer of any importance. Cherry picking and twisting a few verses does not prove a point.

          • Gunny

            Why do you keep going back to your rants about the Masonic lodge? The lodge doesn’t claim to be a Christian organization like the Catholics do. They say that although religious in nature Masonry is not a religion in itself.

          • Eskimo man

            Why do they have a Bible and use it, if they are not a religion? The highest levels of Masonry worship the devil, from the 30th degree upwards. The secret societies of the occult were behind the protestant reformation that divided Christianity. Get the picture?

          • Gunny

            There is no picture of any truth in your lies. The Masonic lodges did not parent the many protestant denominations. People broke with Catholicism when they didn’t want a pagan religious order.

          • carole smith

            The reformation wasn’t what divided Christianity. Christianity was divided during the first century, when the false prophets rose from amongst the true church and went off and started forming their own religions loosely based on Christianity. The catholic religion was formed out of one of these apostasies. When the reformation movement came along, they were not trying to go back to the Bible and use that alone for their worship, they only wanted to reform the catholic religion. It was the restoration movement that came about and men went back to the Bible alone for their authority. You can’t become a Christian by following any man made doctrine, only by following the Word of God that is contained in the Bible. And you have to repent and be baptized for the remission of your sins.

          • Eskimo man

            The protestant reformation of the occult is what divided
            Christianity. Before the reformation there was only one Christian Church. Christianity was not divided in the first century, and history clearly shows this. Here is a list of all the Popes in the first century. 1) Peter, Apostle, Saint Reigned 33-67. 2) Linus, Saint Reigned c.67-76. 3) Anacletus, Saint Reigned 76-88. aka Cletus. 4) Clement I, Saint Reigned 88-97. 5) Evaristus, Saint Reigned c.98- c.106. Aristus
            in the Liberian Catalogue.
            Jesus would not allow His Church to be divided, and your
            faith in Jesus cannot be that strong if you think that Jesus could fail in building His Church. What false prophets do you speak of? You listen to too much garbage from your false preachers. The Bible comes from the Catholic Church, and the Church is the house of God, and the foundation of the truth. 1
            Timothy 3:15. You cannot go by the Bible alone, as you will only be going by your false interpretation of it, and you don’t have a true full Bible anyway, as Martin Luther from the occult threw out 7 books, and changed the true words of God to suit his evil agenda. You are the one that follows man made
            doctrines, and a man made religion. My church was instituted by God Himself, and has God in it, and a part of it. You have to go to confession for the remission of sins, and don’t tell me to follow the Bible when you clearly do not.

            Confession

            Proverbs 28:13: He who conceals his transgressions will not
            prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy.
            (**NOTE – Besides being unbiblical, not confessing your sins to God’s duly appointed ministers (John 20:22) would be like not ever telling your doctor where your physical ailments are). Sirach 4:26: Do not be ashamed to confess your sins, and do not try to stop the current of a river.
            Mark 1:4-5: John the baptizer appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. And there went out to him all the country of Judea, and all the people of Jerusalem; and they were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins.
            John 20:22-23:”And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any,
            they are retained.”
            (**NOTE – [23] Whose sins: See here the commission, stamped by the broad seal of heaven, by virtue of which the pastors of Christ’s church absolve repenting sinners upon their confession.)
            1 John 1:9: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 2 Corinthians 5:18-20: All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are
            ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
            Acts 19:18-19: Many also of those who were now believers came, confessing and divulging their practices. And a number of those who practiced magic arts brought their books
            together and burned them in the sight of all; and they counted the value of them and found it came to fifty thousand pieces of silver.
            You protestants truly do not have a clue that the devil is
            using you to damage Christianity. How can anyone believe in Jesus Christ, when there are over 40,000 different so called Christian sects that oppose each other?
            This is what your reformation achieved.

          • Gunny

            Seems like the verse is clearly stated and you Romans intentionally disobey the instruction.

          • Eskimo man

            I am not a Roman, and you can’t understand the Bible. What
            about the commandment, Honour thy father and thy mother? You hypocrites just pick and choose don’t you?

          • carole smith

            No one says you are a Roman, but the pope you worship is in the Vatican in Rome.

          • Gunny

            If it’s not there just make something up…

          • Eskimo man

            To the many who pride themselves as being “Bible-and-Bible-Only Christians.” One cannot have God for his Father, who will not have the Church for his Mother, and likewise, one cannot have the Word of God for his faith who will not have the Church for his teacher. It is the infallible teaching authority of the Church, as promised by Christ, which alone preserves God’s Word from erroneous interpretation. Every
            sincere Bible reader deserves to know the true relation God has established between His Church and Holy Scripture. Therefore, we invite all who love the Bible, to come and be one in Christ by letting the true Catholic Church of Christ teach you, lest while reading the Scriptures “… the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.” [2 Peter 3:16]

          • Neiman

            You do not know Christ, He would never allow His Body to be ruled by frail, fallible men and among the Popes and many Priests, much evil has been done by your false Roman Catholic Church.

            You do not know Christ, if you did, you could not place anyone or anything between you and the Lord of Glory, that is Grace + Works and anti-Christ.

          • Eskimo man

            You do not know me, and to say that I don’t know Christ is an evil accusation from the devil. Do you follow the devil? The Church has never ever done any evil, only it’s members are capable of doing so. You are the false Christians that follow secret societies of the occult, and the Synagogue of Satan. All anti Catholic Church people work for the devil, and are going against Christ. The Church guides us to Jesus, and does not divide us from Him, as you devils proclaim. Can’t you see that what you do is un Christian, and evil? Get a life and stop pestering hypocrite.

          • Neiman

            Did you know that the religious leaders during Jesus earthly sojourn, because He denounced them, accused Him often of having a devil, a demon and casting out demons by the power of Satan? That is exactly what you are doing on behalf of your false Church, the seat of the False Prophet, falsely accusing a man that is born again of the Spirit of having a demon and being in league with Satan? You are committing the same blasphemy against the same Holy Spirit!

            The Church is not divided, it is not a man made religious organization, Catholic or Protestant, it is made up of the many individual members of the body of Christ, of every born again believer and they are one in Spirit, even if gathering for corporate worship within many denominations and sects.

            The Bible must be in harmony in both Testaments, it must be centered on Jesus only and salvation by grace alone, by faith alone in Christ alone. All else by definition is anti-Christ.

          • Eskimo man

            The protestant reformation is from the devil. So protestants are on the devils side, and not with Christ.
            The Habsburg realm became internally divided when the German princes of the Empire had largely supported the Protestant movement against the Catholic Church, which was ostensibly defended by the Habsburg rulers. The rising tide of the Protestant movement came to a head in Bohemia, where the Kabbalistic underground surfaced in the manner of the Order of the Rosicrucians, otherwise known as the Order of the Rosy Cross. The ultimate aim of the Order was that of abolishing the Church, and replacing it with a government of “wise” rulers. As explained by occult historian Laurence Gardner: It was by no chance that Martin Luther’s protest gained support in some very influential circles, for Rome had many enemies in high places. Not the least of these enemies were the Knights Templars, and the underground Hermetic societies whose esoteric crafts had been condemned by the Catholic Inquisition. The truth was not so much that Luther gained the support of others, but that he was the willing instrument of an already active movement which endeavoured to dismantle the rigid international domination of the Pope. As we now know, some of the chief architects of the Reformation – Martin Luther, Philip Melanchthon, Johannes Reuchlin, Jan Amos Kozmensky – belonged to occult societies.

            Malachi Martin: – The Keys of this Blood.

          • Neiman

            I cannot help you – you need to seek and find Jesus as your all-in-all, first to last, beginning to end, the Alpha to Omega; you must be born again in Christ or you shall surely die in your sins. Your Catholic Church cannot wash away your sins, only Jesus, your man-made religious organization, dogmas, rituals, sacraments, liturgies, saints, Mary nor any thing else cannot save your soul – only Jesus. I pray you will find Him before it is too late.

          • Eskimo man

            I am actually a prisoner of Jesus, He has chained me to Him. I certainly don’t need any help from you, as I would rather die than go anywhere near evil. Jesus has informed me that you have to be a member of His Catholic Church to be saved, and not some Masonic death cult like you are with. You can’t preach to the already converted mate. Why don’t you have a relationship with Jesus like I do where I abide in Him, and He abides in me?

          • Neiman

            Sadly, you are chained to the Pope and Rome, not the Lord.

          • Eskimo man

            You are chained to the devil himself you idiot.

          • Pax Humana

            …so says a servant of Lucifer in yourself…tell me, how has failing to comprehend the concept of irony worked out for you so far in your life?

          • Eskimo man

            We can clearly see the fake Christians on this site, and the lack of good fruits that they bare. Poor Protestants that were deceived into following the occult. But they don’t have the intelligence to see who they are really following. Poor souls, I pray for you all the time.

          • Pax Humana

            You will pray yourself into Sheol (Hell) with your worthless prayers. YAHWEH EL ELOHIM described what kind of person that you are, you modern day Pharisee, and none of your useless rituals will save you.

          • tammy

            OMG, you are not only dumb, your are delusional. The Catholic church never did any evil. hahahahaha. You have never studied any history of the Catholic church. They were so evil, monsterous and men of Satan during the Middle ages

          • Eskimo man

            I now all about the history of the Catholic Church, and you do not. The Church was never evil, and I’m sure you are referring to the Inquisitions which were against heresy, and members of the secret societies of the occult. The Church of England killed far more Catholics in one year, for being Catholic only, than the Catholic Church did in 350 years of the Inquisitions, which were against people that broke the law. The Church was the government, which had laws. If you break those laws, you have to suffer the punishment. But you dumb protestants that follow the occult, can’t see the truth that is right under your noses, as you must be the dumbest people on earth.

          • tammy

            Sorry, you are wrong. Most of the Catholic people are good people unfortunately many have drinking problems. But as a people most are good, honest people. The church on the other hand has murdered, tortured and enslaved people through out history. Those who ran/run the church are corrupt. They have kept their people uninformed since it was established. Catholics tell me they are not to believe their lying eyes, but take the word of the Priest over what they read in their Bible. They tell them they basically are too dumb to understand what is in the Bible. Corrupt people can not be of God. They have used religion to enslave their people. This is my last note to you. Everyone on this site are hateful, not dealing with truth, but just throwing names and swearing. It is contagious and I found myself picking it up. This conversation between all of you has the spirit of Satan. I am out of here and do not want any part of this site again. So much hate and nothing of God in this conversation. Have a good life

          • Eskimo man

            How many Catholics do you know, to suggest that many have drinking problems? I am Catholic, and I know none. The Church has not murdered many, tortured and enslaved people through out history, and only an ill informed idiot would say so. Your protestant Church murdered more Catholics in one year, just for being Catholic, than the Catholic Church had put to death for crimes, during the Inquisitions over 350 years. The Catholic Church produced the Bible, and can never go against it, and never has. You are the one that is too dumb to understand the Bible, and not Catholics. The Bible has never been interpreted correctly by non Catholics, as only Gods people were meant to use it. It is you anti Catholics that are spreading all the hate, and I have just failed the Lord in my retaliation to it. You do not know the Catholic Church enough to make comments on it, and you obviously don’t know Jesus that well either. The scriptures are not meant for personal interpretation, 2 Peter 1:20, and the Holy Catholic Church is the house of God, and the foundation of the truth. 1Timothy 3:15. God Bless.

          • tammy

            God will decide. You obviously have a closed and childish mind. Read some history. Catholics murdered thousands/thousands during the dark ages. They were totally corrupt, power hungry, and did not care who they killed to get what they wanted. As I said, there has been improvement, but as my Catholic friends tell me, this is the Pope that is suppose to lead the NWO church. They also said the last Pope would suddenly disappear and no one would know what happened. They thought he would be killed, by people in the new Popes minions.

          • Eskimo man

            You are just another dumb slut, the devils whore, a harlot that fucks people to drag them in to hell with you. You lowlife piece of shit.

          • tammy

            So Catholic of you

          • tammy

            Wow, those are really evil words, and you say you are a Catholic Christian. You are a bad example with your nasty mouth. Shame on you

          • tammy

            Explain James 2:14 through 2:17 (17….Even so faith, if it hath not works, is dead, being alone) That sounds like faith alone is not enough, you must also follow the laws, which is works. It is explained pretty well in these scriptures. So explain how you do not have to do anything but believe???? thank you

          • Neiman

            I suppose you are aware that the Holy Spirit through Paul said that we are saved by grace alone and not by any works, that no man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9

            Or, in Philippians is says “9 and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which is through faith in Christ—the righteousness that comes from God on the basis of faith.”

            You first must harmonize every such passage and there are many, they must all agree, as the Holy Spirit would not, He could not possibly oppose Himself. You cannot have salvation by Grace AND works, that is an oxymoron, they oppose each other.

            The question of faith alone or faith plus works is made difficult by some hard-to-reconcile Bible passages. Compare Romans 3:28, 5:1 and Galatians 3:24 with James 2:24. Some see a difference between Paul (salvation is by faith alone) and James (salvation is by faith plus works). Paul dogmatically says that justification is by faith alone (Ephesians 2:8-9), while James appears to be saying that justification is by faith plus works. This apparent problem is answered by examining what exactly James is talking about. James is refuting the belief that a person can have faith without producing any good works (James 2:17-18). James is emphasizing the point that genuine faith in Christ will produce a changed life and good works (James 2:20-26). James is not saying that justification is by faith plus works, but rather that a person who is truly justified by faith will have good works in his/her life. If a person claims to be a believer, but has no
            good works in his/her life, then he/she likely does not have genuine faith in Christ (James 2:14, 17, 20, 26).

            Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/salvation-faith-alone.html#ixzz3HHSFZiR2

            Good works, caring for the widows and orphans, the poor, those in prison and etc are a quite different thing than works of the Law. In fact; ““For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes” (Romans 10:4). He fulfilled it all perfectly for us, His perfect obedience is granted to our account.

            If any works of the Law or even good works by our self will are added to Grace, then Grace is no longer Grace and those thus teaching this heresy are blaspheming Christ. It is Grace alone, by faith alone, in Christ alone – that is Salvation. Yes, if one think themselves saved and they have no conviction of sin, no hatred of sin and no desire to be freed from their sinful desires; and, if no good Christian works are being produced in their lives, they should seriously question whether or not their confession of faith could have possibly been genuine in the first place.

            We are saved by Grace alone, we can neither gain nor maintain salvation by any self efforts, especially not obedience to the Law which opposes Grace, such attempts at obedience to the Law has saved no one. If you add the tiniest thing, the smallest degree of self effort to Grace, then salvation is something earned, it is not a gift, but as the Holy Spirit tells us, it is a wage earned. If we are truly converted, as James says, we should be able to see signs of that conversion by the good works of grace flowing out of our own lives, otherwise such salvation is dead, it helps no one. According to James, it is a matter of that Salvation being made manifest, not that works are a means to salvation.

          • tammy

            Yes I am aware of being saved by grace. I also believe that anyone who believes in Jesus will be saved. I also believe when we get there we are not going to be sitting on clouds, strumming harps. I believe that what we learn and do on this earth, translates into what we do in heaven. Also if you believe in Jesus you will follow his teachings and follow his example. If you read that scripture in Peter, it is very clear, God expects us to do his work. But you can not do anything that will get you in heave, without grace. Grace gets you there, works helps you become a better person. But works means nothing if it is done for self gratification .

          • Joshua Belanger

            To condense what Fundisi said, The words James wrote there are telling us that if our faith doesn’t cause us to act, to live like it, it is a dead faith that produces no evidence of its existence. Paul writes that it is by grace we were saved, through faith, and this is not of ourselves. It is the gift of God, not by works, so that none may boast. So it is not the works that make us righteous, but rather in thanks for that righteousness that we are granted we do righteous things.

            As for all the rest of the goings on between yourself, Fundisi and Eskimo man, I refer you to Paul’s second letter to Timothy, the second chapter, starting with verse 23, going to the end of the chapter:

            But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, in
            meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; and that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

          • tammy

            You have been brainwashed. God help you

          • Eskimo man

            To your own destruction !!

          • tammy

            The church as it’s mother?? See I told you it was the whore of Babylon. I never believed my Dad, until now. Now I see it clearly.

          • Eskimo man

            You see nothing clearly, and need to be educated. The Whore of Babylon
            is a city, and is probably Jerusalem, because of all of the
            prophets of God that were martyred there, as well as the handing over of their
            own Messiah to the Romans to be crucified. The beast is the Roman Empire
            (Rome was built on 7 Hills. The Vatican is on one hill, Vatican Hill,
            which is not one of the 7 hills Rome was originally
            built on), who teamed up with the harlot Jerusalem to crucify Jesus. The
            beast then destroyed the harlot in 70 AD (Revelation 17:16), with the same
            generation of people present who heard Jesus prophecy that “Truly, I say
            to you, this generation will not pass away before all these things take
            place”.

          • Gunny

            Scripture says sealed

            Joh_6:27 Labour not for the meat which perisheth, but for that meat which endureth unto everlasting life, which the Son of man shall give unto you: for him hath God the Father sealed.

            Rom_15:28 When therefore I have performed this, and have sealed to them this fruit, I will come by you into Spain.

            2Co_1:22 Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

            Eph_1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

          • Neiman

            Hi Gunny, Semper Fi! I am a former serving Marine from the Vietnam era, as was my middle brother, as was my son (Iraq) and my grandson – Afghanistan. My late father was a Navy Captain in WW-II, but my eldest brother was in the Army and as above the rest since them Marines, we felt we served enough time piping him aboard every time he came home and so we picked different branches.

            Of course, every passage above refers to believers, not the world.

            I will refer you to this link: http://www.gotquestions.org/all-God-children.html

          • Gunny

            What rank

          • Neiman

            Mine? E-5

          • Dawn Ludwig

            Eskimo Man I am thinking your Catholic? One does not need confess sin to a priest ONLY God. Also we are not to call anyone “Father” but God. The Catholic Pope has just told people to not put their faith in Jesus. He has also lifted Mother Mary up to the level of Jesus.
            There is so much satanic stuff happening in the Catholic Church. Please read your bible and listen to the Spirit of God, confess your sins to Him alone.
            I will be praying for you and those caught up in this cult called Catholicism.

          • Eskimo man

            More lies. You are a LIAR.

          • carole smith

            You don’t need to keep getting born again, you only need to do it once. By being baptized for the remission of your sins, and rising in newness of life. Not over and over again.

          • Eskimo man

            That’s funny because Jesus disagrees with you. Once you are born again, are you claiming that you don’t sin anymore? You can only receive forgiveness after your sins, and not before. Read the Bible.

          • carole smith

            After you are born again, you do not need to get born again every time you sin. Your sin does not nullify the covenant you made with God when you were baptized. Read l Corinthians 10:12. It is about your attitude towards sin, not that you will be totally sin free after baptism. You feel bad when you slip up and sin, which we all do. Then, you go to your HEAVENLY Father, God, and ask for forgiveness, in Jesus’ name, because you cannot go to the Father, except through Jesus. No priest on this entire earth, no pope, no cardinal, no man on this earth can forgive your sins, no amount of hail Marys can absolve you of your sins. If you read the Bible, you will see this is true. It is not being born again over and over that happens when we confess our sins and ask for forgiveness after we have been baptized into the Lord’s church. Catholicism, unfortunately has been misleading decent people for centuries.

          • Eskimo man

            Confession
            Proverbs 28:13: He who conceals his transgressions will
            not prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy.
            (**NOTE – Besides being unbiblical, not confessing
            your sins to God’s duly appointed ministers (John 20:22) would be like not ever telling your doctor where your physical ailments are).
            Sirach 4:26: Do not be ashamed to confess your sins, and do not try to stop the current of a river.
            Mark 1:4-5: John the baptizer appeared in the wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins.
            And there went out to him all the country of Judea, and all the people of Jerusalem; and they were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins.
            John 20:22-23:”And when he had said this, he breathed on
            them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
            (**NOTE – [23] Whose sins: See here the commission, stamped by the broad seal of heaven, by virtue of which the pastors of Christ’s church absolve repenting sinners upon
            their confession.)
            1 John 1:9: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness
            2 Corinthians 5:18-20: All this is from God, who through Christ
            reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
            Acts 19:18-19: Many also of those who were now believers
            came, confessing and divulging their practices. And a number of those who practiced magic arts brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all; and they counted the value of them and found it came to fifty thousand pieces of silver.

            The word of God disagrees with you, and there is only one Church that provides confession for the forgiveness of sins. Confessing to a Priest, is confessing to God.

            Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation.

          • Gunny

            Funny how you weirdos can twist scripture into almost anything, And your imaginations are incredible.

          • Pabz

            I agree to what u said. Salvation is purely by God’s grace without any mixture of good works. Rom11:6, Eph2:8-9,2nd Tim1:9. After we get saves, we are commanded to do good works not in order to stay saved but rather to glorify Him. Eph.2:10,Titus 3:8.We do not use “salvation by grace alone” as a license to commit more sins. Rom6:1,2. Once we get saved, the Holy Spirit dwells within us.Rom8:7. If we want God to speak to us, we read His written Word. If ever spirit appears to u in dream, vision or speaks to u in audible voice, do not entertain him for he is a demon. Take note: there are many false Christs and false prophets. Mat 24:24,4-5,2cor.11:1-4,13-15. Read your Bible while your pastor preach es. Compare his message to the Bible.

          • Eskimo man

            Robert Fludd (“Robertus de Fluctibus” (1574-1637))
            allegedly was a member of the committee which drafted the King James Bible http://www.hermetic.com/sabazius/fludd.htm . This site “Prelude: Freemasonry and the American Revolution” http://www.frontiernet.net/~kissel/tlc-r/bk2a-2wl.htm says “Robert Fludd, Dee’s disciple, and the Rosicrucian Francis Bacon were among the conclave of scholars who created the King James’ Bible translation.” about Robert Fludd. This site http://www.aspects.net/~janus/Templar.htm about the Templars has the following to say: “In his book, “Bloodline of the Holy Grail” Laurence Gardner points out that “the Rosicrucians”
            like the Cathars and Templars before them had access to an ancient knowledge which held more substance than anything promulagated by Rome.” Listed among the adherents to the Rosicrucian beliefs was Dante, Columbus, Francis Bacon, Christopher Wren, and Robert Fludd who assisted in translating the King James (Authorised) Bible.” I was also able to find a quote from Michael Baigent and Richard Leigh’s book “Freemasonry: Geometry of the Sacred” (pp.20-22): “In England, the chief exponant of ‘Rosicrucian’ thought was John Dee’s disciple, Robert Fludd–who along with Frances Bacon,
            was among the conclave of scholars commissioned by King James to produce an English translation of the Bible…” And another book quote from Dennis Laurence Cuddy’s “NOW IS THE DAWNING OF THE NEW AGE NEW WORLD ORDER”: “Dee’s disciple, Robert Fludd, was the chief proponent of Rosicrucianism in England, and Fludd along with Sir Francis Bacon and others were commissioned by King James I,…to produce an English translation of the Holy Bible.” This site
            http://philologos.org/__eb-jki/tape05.htm about secret societies has the following to say: “Andrea’s Masonic contact in England
            was Robert Fludd who received his Christian education at Christ’s Church Oxford. Fludd is significant to the Protestant Reformation in that he was among the conclave of 47 scholars who presided over the translation of the authorized King James version of the Bible.” Robert Fludd was apparently associated
            with the Freemasons and other secret societies. He did extensive studies on occultism.
            So Bible only protestants are a part of the occult New World Order of the anti Christ.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Yup

        • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

          Lol, we all have Heavenly Father’s spirit in us. We all have a Divine potential. It is written right in the scriptures. But I dont appreciate the negativity in your voice. That to me seems more like a moment of lunacy within you, but its ok, Wrath is one of the 7 deadly sins. And its something we all have to work on. Amen.

          • Eskimo man

            You can’t hear my voice, and all the born again protestants that think they are communicating with Jesus, or God the Father, are lunatics, or possessed. God would tell you to join His Catholic Church, and receive Him in Holy Communion. When you said, “God appeared to me in my dream and told me I have special powers” I can see there is something wrong here. God would not do that. If you have any special powers, they are clearly from the devil. I hope you can be delivered from these evil spirits. God Bless.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            ThanK you 🙂 but I have to disagree. Actually since this experience, I have received the gift of healing. I also feel the spirit very strong when my will is aligned with His. Evil spirits are everywhere in general, but I actually feel the love from my Father. When I have trials I pray to Him and He comforts me. Holiness can find all, but you must seek it, have an open mind and heart. But I appreciate your prayers. Thank you, we can all pray for each other since we are all brotherS and sisters and have the same Father, and carry his spirit. I don’t drink, smoke, take any substance and am working on areas of my spiritual progress now. I know that each of our souls require different progression and so we have trials and so our Father comforts us. As long as we come on to Jesus, we are fine. And I say this in Jesus’S sacred name Amen.

          • Eskimo man

            Jesus is very clear on what is required to gain eternal life, to abide in Him and Him in us, and to live by Him.
            John 6: [52] If any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever; and the bread that I will give, is my flesh, for the life of the world. [53] The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying: How can this man give us his flesh to eat? [54] Then Jesus said to them: Amen, amen I say unto you: Except you eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, you shall not have life in you. [55] He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath everlasting life: and I will raise him up in the last day. [56] For
            my flesh is meat indeed: and my blood is drink indeed. [57] He
            that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, abideth in me, and I in him. [58] As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father; so he that eateth me, the same also shall live by me.
            Jesus said that He does not know them that do not live by Him.
            Hypocrite False Christians
            Mathew 7:16-29: [16] By their fruits you shall know them. Do
            men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? [17] Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit, and the evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. [18] A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit; neither can an evil tree bring forth good fruit. [19] Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit, shall be cut down, and shall be cast into the fire. [20] Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them. [21] Not everyone that saith to me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven: but he that doth the will of my Father who is in heaven, he shall enter into the kingdom of heaven. [22] Many will say to me in that day: Lord, Lord, have not we prophesied in thy name, and cast out devils in thy name and done many miracles in thy name? [23] And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, you that work iniquity. [24] Every one therefore that heareth these my words, and doth them, shall be likened to a
            wise man that built his house upon a rock, [25] And the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and they beat upon that house, and it fell not, for it was founded on a rock. [26] And every one that heareth these my words, and doth them not, shall be like a foolish man that built his house upon
            the sand.
            God Bless.

          • Neiman

            Jesus was speaking to the Jews primarily and showing them and us the utter futility of earning our salvation by any works of the flesh. You deliberately omit ” 8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.…”

            We must come to and end of all self effort to please God or to earn/maintain our salvation. It is by grace alone through faith alone that Christ might be all in all and even the very faith required is the gift of God. Any and all works are in opposition to Grace and are a denial of Christ as our only Savior. When we are Born Again by faith alone, we are made part of His Body, we abide in Him and he abides in us; yet, while in the flesh, we imperfectly demonstrate this abiding life.

            Acts 15:11
            No! We believe it is through the grace of our Lord Jesus that we are saved, just as they are.”

            Romans 3:24
            and all are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus.

            Romans 9:16
            It does not, therefore, depend on human desire or effort, but on God’s mercy.

            Ephesians 2:5
            made us alive with Christ even when we were dead in transgressions–it is by grace you have been saved.

          • ort

            Amen. This Eskimo guy is one confused, and possibly lost, romanist.

          • Neiman

            I don’t know which person is more confused, this Roman Catholic or the woman with visions.

            I just wish I could show them that Salvation is a free gift and that everything we need for now and eternity is in Christ.

          • ort

            Yeah, it’s a toss up on that decision. The hatred that exudes from the romanist is palpable. The other one has such a mish mash of beliefs, that it’s confusing.
            I’m not God, so while I have my feelings on the status of their salvation, I cannot definitively say anything. HOWEVER……if we are to judge with a righteous judgment (anakrino, I believe it is in the Greek), then I’m real leery.

          • Neiman

            Be leery, question everything, make sure it aligns with God’s Word and that Jesus is preeminent in all things in your life and pray for these two souls and for all those misled by these false christ’s.

          • ort

            Amen brother. I am a Berean. That is why when I hear nonsense, it’s a red flag right away. Not because I am special, but because God is merciful and the Ruach ha Kodesh gives me that ability.

            And, as much as I dislike the romanist, I will pray for him. I would bet that with all his Protestant hating, he wouldn’t have it in him to pray for me, if I’m supposedly so condemned and lost. He is just too hateful. That alone is big giveaway about him.

            The Lord is returning for His Bride soon, and we must be about our Father’s business—the Great Commission. Maranatha!

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Lol, all prayers are blessings, so thank you. But if the Holy spirit guides us, then we know we are doing right. Amen

          • Eskimo man

            Clearly you are following the devil with your gossip.

          • ort

            “Thou shalt not bear false witness”, romanist. What “gossip” is he guilty of?

          • Pax Humana

            Right back at you.

          • Eskimo man

            You must have spent a lot of time thinking up that comment. Go back to your Synagogue of Satan cult, loser.

          • Pax Humana

            Again, right back at you.

          • Eskimo man

            It is you who is lost, and I am not a Romanist. I’m Catholic, which is the Church of Christ. If you deny that, then you deny Christ.

          • ort

            Playing God again, romanist? Shame on you. But then, your church calls a sinful, fallible man by God’s Title, so I’m not surprised.

          • ort

            Again, what “gossip” are you accusing him of? Quit beating false witness/lying.

          • Heather Scarborough

            The Catholic church is not the Church of Christ. I am a member of the Church of Christ and the Catholic church is not close. We do not have a priest who we confess to and that priest carries our sins to the father. That is the Jewish laws. The new covenant with Christ was that we bring our sins to the father through Jesus as our only intercessor. We totally immerse in baptism and not so in the Catholic church. We don’t believe the Bible teaches that a baby comes into this world in sin and therefore needs baptism. We believe in communion on the first day of the week as Christ himself set this in to practice. We believe in accapella singing since the Old Testament only speaks about instruments being used in temples and not synagogues and the New Testament doesn’t mention it at all. There are many more differences as we only use the Bible as our only source of direction we need.2 Timothy 3:16-17 16All Scripture is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 17so that the man of God may be adequate, equipped for every good work. We don’t need anything else to tell us how to live, especially a man made book. I will pray for your thoughts that they may be changed by the scriptures and that your heart will be pricked to accept God as He is and not change the things HE set in place.

          • Eskimo man

            Creation of the Lords Church.
            Matthew 16: [18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
            The Catholic Church produced the Bible. There was no Christian Bible until the late 4th Century, when Pope Damasus I put the Canon together, which was ratified at the Councils of Rome, Hippo, and Carthage. Therefore, it would have been impossible for the first Christians to have used “Sola Scriptura”, or the Bible Alone as a guide to salvation. It wasn’t until the 16th Century that this doctrine was invented by Martin Luther.
            1Timothy 3: [15] But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is
            the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
            (NOTE:- [15] The pillar and ground of the truth: Therefore the church of the living God can never uphold error, nor bring in
            corruptions, superstition, or idolatry.)
            The Catholic Church is the only Church that provides confession.
            Confession
            Proverbs 28:13: He who conceals his transgressions will
            not prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy.
            (**NOTE – Besides being unbiblical, not confessing
            your sins to God’s duly appointed ministers (John 20:22) would be like not ever telling your doctor where your physical ailments are).
            Sirach 4:26: Do not be ashamed to confess your sins,
            and do not try to stop the current of a river.
            Mark 1:4-5: John the baptizer appeared in the
            wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. And there went out to him all the country of Judea, and all the people of Jerusalem; and they were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins.
            John 20:22-23:”And when he had said this, he breathed on
            them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
            (**NOTE – [23] Whose sins: See here the commission, stamped by the broad seal of heaven, by virtue of which the pastors of Christ’s church absolve repenting sinners upon
            their confession.)
            1 John 1:9: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness
            2 Corinthians 5:18-20: All this is from God, who through Christ
            reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
            Acts 19:18-19: Many also of those who were now believers
            came, confessing and divulging their practices. And a number of those who practiced magic arts brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all; and they counted the value of them and found it came to fifty thousand pieces of silver.
            It’s interesting how those that claim to follow the Bible, in reality do not. God Bless.

          • Pax Humana

            If you are talking about the denomination of the Church of (Anti)Christ, then yes, they are ALSO equally lost, period, full stop.

          • tammy

            Heather, would you mind sharing what church you attend?

          • Neiman

            Ort, you must read Linda Tannen above, it is most blasphemous and from hell.

          • ort

            Which one, brother? They are all blasphemous, pretty much.

          • Neiman

            My point exactly, it is all heresy and blasphemous in the extreme.

          • ort

            Have you seen the hate and venom thrown my way from the romanist? He truly is a product of a pagan cult. Hateful to the extreme.

          • Neiman

            It’s because he is afraid, he isn’t really sure of his salvation.

          • ort

            You are right. I did pray for him, though. The rest is up to him. We all have to work out our own salvation with fear and trembling. We all will be held accountable, one day.

          • Eskimo man

            You do not have faith in Christ, or His word, or the grace to know Him. I pray you have His mercy though.

          • ort

            You are not God, so stop acting like you are. You CANNOT definitively state that Neiman has no faith or grace or doesn’t know the Word. CANNOT

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Indeed by grace we are saved but Jesus also says we should sin no more. I believe that it is through grace that we are saved, but we also need to live righteously. No fornicator, idolators, etc shall live in the kingdom of heaven. That’s scripture too. So it’s both.

          • Neiman

            So, let me get this straight. God offered us Salvation in Jesus as a free gift (grace), a free gift we did not merit, it was a full pardon for all our sins; but, according to you, we must by living righteously, by acts of our will, somehow merit that gift or at least earn the right to keep that gift, right? So, it is a free gift with a string attached, we have to earn it by our conduct or at least earn the right to keep it.

            What kind of a poor excuse for a Savior is your Jesus, He only kind of saved us, it is Grace plus works, a free gift that we must pay for, making it a false gift? It wasn’t a gift of grace at all, it is a wage we must somehow earn and that is an oxymoron.

            If all our sins were forgiven, a fact accepted by faith, the we are no longer “fornicator, idolators,” and so we are not shut out of heaven. Sadly my dear, as sincere and earnest as you may be, you do not understand Grace at all, a gift is a gift, if we have to do anything, it is a wage paid, something we have earned.

            A pardon is a pardon, it means before God we are declared innocent of all sins, it is a Divine Judicial matter, we are cleansed by the blood of Christ, we can stand before God’s Throne boldly, clothed in the holiness of Christ. Yes, if we have come to face with our being sinners deserving of hell, if we have faced Calvary and the costs of our Salvation and been blessed by God’s Mercy, we will hate sin, we will seek to surrender our every thought to Christ and have Him live His life in and through us, but we can never by any act of our will become righteous, it is imparted, a gift.

            Stop struggling, stop all your self efforts and seek by faith, His faith in us, to transform our lives, he will do it and to the degree we try and help, we only hinder Him. He will have all the glory, we will have none, we can only be grateful and praise Him for His salvation.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            If it weren’t for Jesus, we would not be allowed in heaven at all. Righteous works don’t save us but they sure polish our soul to be ready for progression. Let me ask you this, have you heard of the concept of Exaltation? I think righteous works bless us in this life and the next. A couple near death experiences showed a man who died and went to heaven and met Jesus and Jesus told him, “what have you done for fellow man?” The man said, nothing.. and Jesus said go back and live your life serving others. It would be easy to say I’m saved, now let me go do drugs, Rob a store, kill a person and it’s all ok because I’m saved..right? See, I believe Jesus is the only reason we are even allowed in heaven but I also believe in this life, we are here to polish and refine our souls so that we can clean oursleves, repent because we all sin and this is where I love the Catholic insight of the 7 deadly sins, and venal sins, because it’s true. Repentance is key. But one could repent and sin again, repent and sin again and I think the gravity of the sin does determine his punishment here on earth and is taken into account when God determines if this man is worthy.. of course, we all go to heaven through Christ. It is through his Grace we are allowed into heaven. But if you study the parables, I mean why would Christ tell of how we should act if none of that mattered. U know? I work on myself every day, I know God wants me to as He does all of us. We are all his children. Would you want your children to disobey you? Would you want them to break the commandments or be selfish? The answer is no, and God is our Father and we need to honor him and His Beloved Son Jesus who is our Savior and our Redeemer. If it weren’t for Jesus, my life would’ve been over a long time ago.. but He saved me, as He does all of us if we seek to be saved or if we are a good tree and have that potential. Amen and Hosanna

          • Neiman

            At first I wanted to give you the benefit of the doubt, to think you sincere and even if your vision and visitation to Eden was grossly unscriptural, to hope you were at least honest and decent. Yet, reading the above, it is full of such gross biblical error, blasphemies and heresies that I cannot be thus generous in the face of the spirit of anti-Christ in your theology.

            I would like to counter every false belief, but to what end, it would only represent a vain disputation, a casting of divine pearls before swine. If that seems unkind, if it seems brusque and pointed, it is because no child of God can stand silent when Christ is being attacked.

            If Jesus did not pay for every sin, if we must add anything at all to His Perfect Work, then it is Grace + Works and Christ died for nothing, as the measure of God is absolute sinless perfection or hell. If we must prove ourselves worthy, then Jesus did not die for sinners, but only the righteous and if we can be righteous and worthy by our own efforts, we don’t need a Savior. You are also teaching a universal salvation and a salvation possible without Christ and that is anti-Christ.

            I am sorry my dear, your Catholic Faith is from the seat of hell, represented by the False Prophet who dares blaspheme and call himself Christ’s Vicar, to allow himself falsely to be called Holy and Father and Pope. You are, sadly, in the bonds of hell and death. Only God’s Grace, His free gift of Salvation, which is only available in and through Christ and by His faith can save you.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Lol, well I am being sincere, why wouldn’t I be? That was a strange remark. Anyway, I don’t think anything I’m saying is unscriptural. I do think we all read the scriptures and get what works for us. Only the Holy Spirit will tell you what’s right. Christ is our Savior and Redeemer, and we will all be saved through Him, but there is more than that. Some of us are willing to accept but it’s ok, I am in agreement that indeed Christ is our Savior and we are saved. But have you ever considered there are different degrees of heaven? To be exalted, we would have had to overcome our trials and persevere and have faith and be obedient all the way.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            I’m not Catholic. I only belive in God and Jesus and know them as they know us. My goal in this life is to help as many people I can through service while polishing my soul and refining myself and I take no glory for anything because I too am a child of God like you, and am a representative of His holy spirit in me. Flesh makes us turn from the holiness we have in our spirit. I know, but if we come unto Christ we can overcome. Amen

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Oh yes, the Glory is His. AMEN

          • Neiman

            You answered nothing, your reply was nonsensical!

          • tammy

            A pardon only works if you go forth and sin no more. Since we all sin, in order to obtain salvation you must repent of your new sins. We are saved by faith lone, but if you have faith, you must follow the laws Jesus/God set up for us. If you believe, then you must do. If you do not do what he has commanded us to do (works) then you really do not believe. He also said, those who will not work, will not eat. You can not be saved unless you follow Jesus and do what he taught us

          • Neiman

            You are sincere and you are near to the Truth, but – first of all, a Pardon is a full and complete forgiveness, as if the crime/sin was never committed at all; and, if we can lose our salvation, then there is no joy, no peace, as we would always fear we could still be lost and that is no salvation at all, Jesus would have failed to save us to the uttermost.

            Next, you need to learn, what Jesus taught us, being that without Him we can do nothing, we cannot even produce good works without Him doing it in and through our lives, otherwise if we are even slightly responsible for gaining or maintaining our Salvation, we are our own co-redeemers, we have displaced Christ.

            Christ also tells us that it is He Who works in us us both the will (desire) to do His good pleasure and the doing of it it, the power to do His perfect will. We have no part except absolute surrender and even that is from Him.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Amen! Exactly we have to love and strive to live like Christ Jesus. No false idolatry (that can be anything too much love for coffee, or computers, money, and other things) Unless we repent and get rid of the flesh (mammon; earthly things) we are not ready. No unclean thing may dwell in the kingdom of Heaven. And yes, we should be strong in our faith whatever that may be. The Pharisees knew scripture, they also claimed to know of God, but yet they condemned Jesus the living God. We need to be guided by the Holy Spirit and do right by others. Love one another as Jesus loves us. Great scripture Thanks!

          • Eskimo man

            The thing is, when Jesus says we have to believe in Him, He means everything, not just that He is God. We have to believe His word, and His Church. The Catholic Church is the only Church that provides confession, and the Body and Blood of Jesus. The Catholic Church is the only Church that provides infallible teaching, and interpretation of His word. Jesus is the Head of the Catholic Church, and we are His Body. When we receive Holy Communion, He dwells in us. I hope and pray that you can see something here. There is no salvation outside of His Holy Catholic and Apostolic Church. God Bless.

          • Neiman

            Stop working, stop struggling, stop trying to earn God’s favor or by your works to please God – it is impossible, no man is good, we are all thoroughly evil and the only way out is by God’s Grace, His free gift of Salvation, which is accepted by faith and that faith is in and from Christ Jesus. You will never find what you are seeking through any self efforts, you will fail and fall and be crushed along the path you are on, I guarantee it because God cannot honor works unless they are perfect and other than Jesus no one is perfect. So, full surrender to Jesus to allow Him to live His life in and through you, with NO help from you, is the only way to life.

            You cannot find holiness and holiness cannot find you, it is a gift of God to all who are washed in the blood and whom, being converted, share in the holiness of Christ.

            Beware, this so-called gift of healing can be counterfeit, as the devil is quite capable of faking miracles.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            God and Jesus have healed my children, me, and my husband instantly within seconds of asking them. We live as righteously as we can. But most of all we have Faith. And Faith is what allows the Divine hands in to heal us. I have no power, only the Divine do. However, because we have His spirit in us, we all have the power to tap into this Divine potential. It’s true. And those that understand this get blessed in this way. Scripture refernce, it’s all over Corinthians. Here is one I know, Forget Ye Not that the Spirit of God Dwells Inside Of you. We are holy temples of God. So we need to remember that and always act as if we represent Him. Amen

          • Dawn Ludwig

            so now your a healer? Interesting. I believe in this gift of the Spirit. But I also know that the bible is clear that many false prophets will come forth, performing signs, healings, etc. I believe very and I mean very few have this gift. Many claim to, but I dont buy into it.
            Not trying to be disrespectful, but not much of what you claim is biblical.

          • ruth

            Why would G-d tell anyone to join the Catholic church. What is so importing about this church as to other churches? Have you read the history of the C.C.? I have–and I will tell you that I will never join it. IT is full of demons and pagan worship. When it first got started, they took what they wanted of Christianity, and what they wanted of pagonism. They wanted to get the pagans into the church. There was NOTHING about salvation through Yeshua (Jesus). It was JOIN the church, or die. (sounds familour?) I don’t think G-d Himself appears to people, but Yeshus does. & G-d has spoken to people, where they can hear His voice. I haven’t heard His voice, but I know when He is speaking to me. By “special powers” i believe what she means is Gifts of the Holy Spirit. When someone excepts Yeshua as their Lord & Saviour, They receive gifts. There are 2 fillings of the Holy Spirit. 1) when you become a believe–He comes upon you) & 2) when you receive (by asking for it) the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. The Gifts of the Spirit are real. I, myself have laid my hands of someone, & they were healed. I tell them that, of myself, I can do doing, but the Holy Spirit within me does the works. I DO NOT take any credit for what I do. As for G-d not giving us special gifts, when Yeshua was about to go to heaven, He told His deciiples that the works He did, they would do & greater. Which means more than He did. Too many people tries to put G-d into a “box”. They want to tell G-d what HE is surpose to do. Plus , HE is surpose to go along with whatever they want. WRONG !!!!!!

          • Eskimo man

            Anyone who truly accepts Jesus as his God and saviour, would also accept His Church. Your comment is full of anti Catholic crap, which comes from the spirit of the anti Christ. God Bless.

          • ort

            Hey, knock off your “God bless”, if you are going to rag on others for saying it.

          • Dawn Ludwig

            The problem with your statement is that the Catholic Church is not the church of Christ.
            If it were, it would follow Scripture, as it clearly does NOT.

          • Eskimo man

            You know nothing of the Church, or scripture.

          • Pax Humana

            The Papacy is the Antichrist system itself, or at least a collaborating system that promotes the Antichrist, anyway. Furthermore, Lucifer, your REAL boss, only knows to curse people, as evidenced in your leaders AND with King James I.

          • Eskimo man

            Are you mentally retarded? Give evidence, not just false claims of any Pope being anti Christ. You don’t listen to what the Popes have to say, so you can’t see that all they do is give all glory to Christ, and teach us His word and ways. You are making a complete fool of yourself.

          • Pax Humana

            Wow, thank you for telling me that you are mentally retarded. Your evidence is bullshit because it is historical revisionism, just like the Nazis did with their so-called “experts” and what the Communists and other fuck wits throughout the centuries did with their bullshit. You do not want me as an enemy, let alone want to threaten or actually try to kick my ass, you servant of Lucifer. I am the kind of person that takes people that do that kind of shit and they either have a come to YAHASHUA HA’MASHIACH meeting or their end has a more…mysterious fate. You do not want to know what that fate is, small timer.

          • Eskimo man

            No I did not want you as an enemy, but you wanted to be one. So be it, but I know that you are just a retarded little fucking weasel that hides behind his or her computer. You can’t even speak English, and you are just a waste of time. LOSER.

          • tammy

            We do, it just isn’t the Catholic church. The head of the Catholic church is not Jesus

          • Eskimo man

            The Catholic Church was created by Jesus, and that is Biblical fact. Your Church was created by the devil. Catholics follow Jesus Christ, protestants follow the occult. The head of the Catholic Church has always been Jesus, and no brainwashed dummy like yourself is going to change that. There is a very good reason why women should never hold a position of leadership. You give clear evidence why.

          • tammy

            See what I meqn. Satan is in charge of this site. Keep your hate and your corrupt church. Remember the leader of the One world religion will be the Pope working with the anti-Christ. That is Catholic prophecy Bye

          • Eskimo man

            You tell me to keep my hate, and then call my Church corrupt. Who is preaching hate here? Jesus would not be pleased with that. The leader of the one world religion will be the anti Christ, more than likely a member of the Illuminati secret society of the occult, that created Protestantism in the first place. You know nothing of Catholic prophecy, in fact you sound more and more like a SDA occult member of false prophecies.

          • tammy

            SDA?? I have no idea what SDA is. I am a Christian, you are a Catholic. It is not your fault, you have been brainwashed. There is still time for you to come out of the dark ages and into the light. BTW, women do not have to shut up, do what a man says and many women are very spiritual, not fake spiritual like you but truly spiritual. They do not tell everyone who disagrees with them that they are going to hell, they don’t curse and act like a bully. You preach but you do not live what you preach. I have never met a Catholic that is as nasty as you have been to almost everyone on this site. God be kind and save your soul.

          • Eskimo man

            Stop talking shit you filthy slut. Fuck off and stop provoking me.

          • tammy

            You sound just like the demon from the exorcist. You should call a priest and have an exorcism to get rid of that demon. Do you realize how bad this makes the whole Catholic church look? Most of the followers are good people, you are giving them a bad name. Try to learn to talk without profanity. You know those without the ability to speak intelligently, resort to profanity because they have nothing worth saying

          • Eskimo man

            You reject intelligence, so I just gave you what you wanted. Do you know of an exorcist that will get rid of you?

          • tammy

            LOL, you really must know how corrupt the Catholic church is to get so mad. Most Catholic people are good people, mislead, but good. You on the other hand are one sick little man

          • Eskimo man

            Your anti Catholic religion is from the occult, and this is who you follow. Catholics follow Jesus and not the occult.
            ROSICRUCIANS AND FREEMASONS
            THE HOUSE OF STUART
            The Habsburg realm became internally divided when the German princes of the Empire had largely supported the Protestant movement against the Catholic Church, which was ostensibly defended by the Habsburg rulers. The rising tide of the Protestant movement came to a head in Bohemia, where the Kabbalistic underground surfaced in the manner of the Order of the Rosicrucians, otherwise known as the Order of the Rosy Cross. The ultimate aim of the Order was that of abolishing the Church, and replacing it with a government of “wise” rulers. As explained by occult historian Laurence Gardner: It was by no chance that Martin Luther’s protest gained support in some very influential circles, for Rome had many enemies in high places. Not the least of these enemies were the Knights Templars, and the underground Hermetic societies whose esoteric crafts had been condemned by the Catholic Inquisition. The truth was not so much that Luther gained the support of others, but that he was the willing instrument of an already active movement which endeavoured to dismantle the rigid international domination of the Pope. As we now know, some of the chief architects of the Reformation – Martin Luther, Philip Melanchthon, Johannes Reuchlin, Jan Amos Kozmensky – belonged to occult societies.

          • tammy

            Total mind control/brainwashed

          • Eskimo man

            I’m glad that you can admit that you are, and now you can move forward and find the truth. God Bless.

          • tammy

            You are kidding, you really are not going to play the ” I know you are but what am I” game. I quit that at 5

          • Eskimo man

            Does mummy only let you use the computer on the weekends?

          • tammy

            My mommy has been with Jesus for 25 years. But my daughter lets me use hers when she isn’t working on it. She is a great daughter

          • Eskimo man

            What makes you think your mum is with Jesus? My mum has been dead for 22 years, and she was a good woman that raised 3 kids on her own, but I don’t know where she is right now. I hope she is at least in purgatory, but I pray for her, and offer up Masses for her as that is the best thing anyone can do. I hope your daughter doesn’t take after you.

          • tammy

            I know because Jesus has told us so. Read your Bible. Oh I forgot, only the priest is allowed to understand the Bible, you just have to take his word for it.

          • Eskimo man

            You do not read your Bible, and you can’t understand it anyway. Your preacher only selects verses to suit his manipulative agenda. I read the Bible regularly, and I understand it enough to know that it is not for personal interpretation. 2 Peter 1:20.

            Personal
            Interpretation of Scripture Forbidden

            Nehemiah 8:1-9: [1] And the seventh month came: and the children of Israel were in their cities. And all the people were gathered together as one man to the street which is before
            the water gate, and they spoke to Esdras the scribe, to bring the book of the law of Moses, which the Lord had commanded to Israel. [2] Then Esdras the priest brought the law before the multitude of men and women, and all those that could understand, in the first day of the seventh month. [3] And
            he read it plainly in the street that was before the water gate, from the morning until midday, before the men, and the women, and all those that could understand: and the ears of all the people were attentive to the book. [4] And Esdras the scribe stood upon a step of wood, which he had made to speak upon, and there stood by him Mathathias, and Semeia, and Ania, and Uria, and Helcia, and Maasia, on his right hand: and on the left, Phadaia, Misael, and Melchia, and Hasum, and Hasbadana, Zacharia and Mosollam. [5] And Esdras opened the book before all the people: for he was above all the people: and when he had opened it, all the people stood. [6] And Esdras blessed the Lord the great God: and all the people answered, Amen, amen: lifting up their hands: and they bowed down, and adored God with their faces to the ground. [7] Now Josue, and Bani, and Serebia, Jamin, Accub, Sephtai, Odia, Maasia, Celtia, Azarias, Jozabed, Hanan, Phalaia, the Levites, made silence among the people to
            hear the law: and the people stood in their place. [8] And
            they read in the book of the law of God distinctly and plainly to be understood: and they understood when it was read. [9] And
            Nehemias (he is Athersatha) and Esdras the priest and scribe, and the Levites who interpreted to all the people, said: This is a holy day to the Lord our God: do not mourn, nor weep: for all the people wept, when they heard the words of the law. Acts
            8:29-31:And the Spirit said to Philip, “Go up and join this
            chariot.” So Philip ran to him, and heard him reading Isaiah the prophet, and asked, “Do you understand what you are reading?” And he said, “How can I, unless some one guides me?” And he invited Philip to come up and sit with him.
            2 Peter 1:20: First of all you must understand this, that no prophecy of scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation, because no prophecy ever came by the impulse of man, but
            men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God.
            2 Peter 3:15-16: And count the forbearance of our
            Lord as salvation. So also our beloved brother Paul wrote to you according to the wisdom given him, speaking of this as he does in all his letters. There are some things in them hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other scriptures.
            (**NOTE – Trying to understand the meaning of scripture IN ITS ENTIRETY without an instructor would be like trying to
            understand the Theory of Relativity without Einstein as a teacher. No subject that is learned in school is learned without an intelligent instructor teaching it to us. Only when it comes to our salvation and the Bible do some people erroneously assert that we can do it all by ourselves. If you need a teacher for calculus, Latin, and physics, you most certainly need one for the Bible – Your salvation is at stake, after all. The bible was written in Hebrew and Greek, in vastly different cultures, thousands of years ago, with different idioms and different meanings to words. Trying to understand all of that with 21rst century English WITHOUT an interpreter and guide is very
            foolish indeed.)
            2 Peter 1: [16] For we have not by following artificial fables, made known to you the power, and presence of our Lord Jesus Christ; but we were eyewitnesses of his
            greatness. [17] For he received from God the Father, honour and glory: this voice coming down to him from the excellent glory: This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased; hear ye him. [18] And this voice we heard brought from heaven, when we were with him in the holy mount. [19]
            And we have the more firm prophetical word: whereunto you do well to attend, as to a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts: [20]
            Understanding this first, that no prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation.
            (**NOTE – [20] No prophecy of scripture is made by private interpretation: This shews plainly that the scriptures are not to be expounded by any one’s private judgment or private spirit,
            because every part of the holy scriptures were written by men inspired by the Holy Ghost, and declared as such by the Church; therefore they are not to be interpreted but by the Spirit of God, which he hath left, and promised to remain with his Church to guide her in all truth to the end of the world. Some may tell us, that many of our divines interpret the scriptures: they may do so, but they do it always with a submission to the judgment of the Church, and not otherwise.)
            [21] For prophecy came not by the will of man at any time: but the holy men of God spoke, inspired by the Holy Ghost.
            1 Timothy 3 [14] These things I write to thee, hoping that I shall come to thee shortly. [15] But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
            (**NOTE – [15] The pillar and ground of the truth: Therefore the church of the living God can never uphold error, nor bring in corruptions, superstition, or idolatry.)

          • tammy

            The truth is not hate. It is merely trying to open your mind. lOOK UPTHE PROPGECY. You will learn something

          • Eskimo man

            I have already seen it you dumb shit, and it is a confirmed hoax. Why don’t you look up the origins of your religion of the occult, you idiot.

          • tammy

            You do not know my religion. Do you kiss your wife and kids with that mouth?

          • Eskimo man

            Anti Catholic, is anti Christ, and with the occult. The occult created anti Catholicism, and the protestant reformation. So I do know your religion. There is only one Christian Church, and it does not attack others like you do.

          • tammy

            LOL. you haven’t one Christian thought in your head. You do not live, act or understand what it is to be a Christian. And no, you do not know my religion. I could be Buddist as far as you know. I have a minor in Religion, and have studied many religions, including Catholic and Protestant. Protestants broke off from the Catholic church because it had gotten so far away from the gospel, they tried to go back to the original teachings of Christ. You have a good day now

          • Eskimo man

            There
            was no Christian Bible until the late 4th Century, when Pope Damasus I put the
            Canon together, which was ratified at the Councils of Rome, Hippo, and
            Carthage. Therefore, it would have been
            impossible for the first Christians to have used “Sola Scriptura”, or
            the Bible Alone as a guide to salvation. It wasn’t until the 16th Century that
            this doctrine was invented by Martin Luther, who was a member of the Rosicrucians secret society of the occult. It is only the Catholic Church that conforms with the Bible, as they are the ones that produced it in the first place. The whole New Testament was written by the Catholic Church. Protestants broke away from the Catholic Church to follow the occult, and reject Gods word. If you reject the Church, you are rejecting Christ and the Bible, as the Bible came from the Church, and the Church is the house of God, and the foundation of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15.
            I have studied many religions also, and have a major in religion, but I have found that the truth comes directly from God, and not from schools that are run by occult members.

          • tammy

            Another bigoted woman hating comment. You really are a very disrespectful and hateful person. No way does anything holy dwell within such anger and hate. Go tell your Priest you have sinned against your fellow human beings. They do have Priests in Auzzie land, right???

          • Eskimo man

            Don’t you hate the Pope, and the whole Catholic Church? You hypocrites can’t handle some of your own medicine. You end your comment with a typical stupid question. How thick are you Americans?

          • tammy

            I don’t hate the Pope, but am sure going to be watching every thing he does. Since the Catholic Church says he will be the one to work with the anti-Christ and bring about the NWO Religion. That would make him extremely evil. If you were a Christian, you also would be watching. We know it is coming really quickly, Pay attention or you will be caught unprepared and there is nothing worse for most men than to know they let their family down. That the family is suffering and you could have done something about it, if you had just listened.

          • Eskimo man

            I bet you don’t watch everything the Pope does, as he says something everyday, and you don’t know what it is. The New World Order is against the Holy Catholic Church, in fact they are number one enemies. The NWO are controlled by bankers and big business, whose members are with occult secret societies that produced your anti Catholic, anti Christ religion. By being anti Catholic, you are with them.

          • tammy

            You are a lost soul

          • Eskimo man

            It is clear that you are the lost soul. Why don’t you repent and save your soul before it is too late?

          • tammy

            I repent when I have something to repent about. This is not one of those things. God and I are on good terms, he has always taken care of me. Good bye now, have a good life

          • Eskimo man

            “Poor human reason, when it trusts in itself, substitutes the
            strangest absurdities for the highest divine concepts.”
            St. John Chrysostom

            “Nothing unites the soul to God more closely, or breeds
            contempt of the world sooner, than being harassed and distressed.”
            – St. Philip Neri

            “It is to the Cross that the Christian is challenged to follow his
            Master: no path of redemption can make a detour around it.”
            ― Hans Urs von Balthasar, Unless You Become Like This Child

            “…The Solemnity of the Holy Apostles Peter and Paul
            highlight a theme that could be summed up in these words: God is close to his faithful servants and delivers them from all evil and delivers the Church from negative powers.”
            – Pope Benedict XVI, Feast of Saints Peter and Paul, 2010

            “The life of a Christian is nothing but a perpetual struggle
            against self; there is no flowering of the soul to the beauty of its perfection except at the price of pain”
            ― Padre Pio

          • tammy

            You are sad

          • Eskimo man

            What a stupid and evil thing to say. I tell you now that if you are against these quotes from the saints, then you are against Jesus in a horrible way.

          • Joshua Belanger

            The only time Paul talks about forbidding a woman to teach is when he is writing to Timothy and telling him how to deal with the pagan temple prostitutes that were coming into Timothy’s gatherings. And these days, there is a new kind of temple prostitute entering the church gatherings; women who are prostituting themselves on the altar of the “god” of fashion, dressing lasciviously and lewdly and drawing people away into sexual immorality. These are the kind of women that caused Paul to write “I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting. In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array; but (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works. Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve. And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression. Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety.” in his first letter to Timothy. This wasn’t about misogyny, but about how Timothy should deal with pagan temple prostitutes, and how to identify if they were really coming to God, or just coming to lead people astray. After all, Priscilla, with her husband Aquilla, was commended for her labors for Christ in Paul’s letters, so he is not a misogynist, and that aside, misogyny would directly contravene the command the Master himself gave us to love one another as he has loved us.

            Shalom Alechim

          • Dawn Ludwig

            What you say about the CC is so correct. And yes there are gifts of the Spirit. Many different gifts. Not all receive all. As is pointed out in 1 Corinthians 14.
            A lot of churches are teaching that the gift of tongues is a must to be saved. They use the day of Pentacost to validate this. But this is misleading because when this gift came upon the Apostles they were not speaking “jibberish”, they were speaking in the different languages of the different tribes that had gathered in their different languages to teach the Word of God. I do believe that tongues is a valid gift of the Spirit. However I do not believe many have it. And it is not a “jibberish” talk. A so called prayer language that the prayer does not even know what they are praying for. How would one know if their prayer is ever answered if they dont even know what they are praying for? They can not.
            Also in 1 Cor. 14 Paul is very clear that not more than 3 in a church or meeting session should be speaking in tongues and an interpreter must be present. Otherwise who does it edify? No one. Paul also said he would rather hear 10,000 words in a normal tongue than 5 in this different language known as tongues. I find that when I hear people speak in tongues they all seem to be saying the same words.
            I trust only in Scripture. I take everything back to Scripture and if it does not line up then I run from it.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Hi Ruth 🙂 so glad you too received the gift of healing. We all can. Thank you and as for churches, they have always been run by people, and so every church has had some negative history for sure. . Sad but true. But Christ lives and our Father is, and we just have to depend on them and submit our will to them. AMEN.

          • Dawn Ludwig

            God is nor never was Catholic and does not confirm in the bible what the Catholics practice. Please show me where we are to pray to Mother Mary? You can not because we are to pray only to God. As we are to only confess our sins to God not some priest. This is just one thing the Catholic Church has twisted.
            Just wait…..Soon the Pope will tell the world that there is an alien race and that Mother Mary is their Mother and that they are the true saviors of the world. The messiah. This could be why he just told his people to deny Jesus Christ as King. This is so opposite of what the True Scripture Teaches.
            So many being led to slaughter by the Pope himself.

          • Eskimo man

            To say that God is not Universal is silly, as that is what Catholic means. We don’t pray to Mother Mary, we ask her to pray for us, as a mother would always have more influence on her Son.
            Confession
            Proverbs 28:13: He who conceals his transgressions will
            not prosper, but he who confesses and forsakes them will obtain mercy.
            (**NOTE – Besides being unbiblical, not confessing
            your sins to God’s duly appointed ministers (John 20:22) would be like not ever
            telling your doctor where your physical ailments are).
            Sirach 4:26: Do not be ashamed to confess your sins,
            and do not try to stop the current of a river.
            Mark 1:4-5: John the baptizer appeared in the
            wilderness, preaching a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins. And there went out to him all the country of Judea, and all the people of Jerusalem; and they were baptized by him in the river Jordan, confessing their sins.
            John 20:22-23:”And when he had said this, he breathed on
            them, and said to them, ‘Receive the Holy Spirit. If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”
            (**NOTE – [23] Whose sins: See here the commission, stamped by the broad seal of heaven, by virtue of which the pastors of Christ’s church absolve repenting sinners upon
            their confession.)
            1 John 1:9: If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness
            2 Corinthians 5:18-20: All this is from God, who through Christ
            reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. So we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We beseech you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God.
            Acts 19:18-19: Many also of those who were now believers
            came, confessing and divulging their practices. And a number of those who practiced magic arts brought their books together and burned them in the sight of all; and they counted the value of them and found it came to fifty thousand pieces of silver.
            YOU DON’T READ THE BIBLE MUCH DO YOU?
            The Pope did not tell people to deny Jesus Christ as King, and that is a lie, and a mortal sin. You cannot be forgiven without confession now. Ha Ha Ha hypocrites.

          • Sha-wei

            Believers, you have already “…answer(ed) a fool according to his folly”, as enjoined by the Word (Prov. 26:5), “lest he be wise in his own conceit”. But he insists on “foaming up (his) shame” with anti-biblical brimborion such as this: “We don’t pray to Mother Mary, we ask her to pray for us, as a mother would always have more influence on her Son.” This statement is not only heretical, but foolish and ignorant of the Biblical narrative (not surprisingly, since there is good reason to suspect that the individuals behind the above persona are merely parroting R.C. dogma).

            The Bible is categorically and unambiguously clear on this point, that “…there is one God and one mediator between God and mankind, the man Christ Jesus, who gave himself as a ransom for all people”. (And even where the word “mediator” might presume multiplicity of agents, i.e. a collective, it in no way applies in this case, given the identification of that ONE being referred to.) To state that Jesus’ long-dead human mother likewise intercedes/mediates/interposes between us and her glorified son in any way, is either pitifully delusional at best, condemnably malicious at worst.

            Moreover, in life, virtuous Mary had no special influence on the adult Jesus, as we see on the occasion of her visiting Jesus while he was preaching: did he go outside to receive her? No, rather, he declared that ANYONE who did the will of his Father was as important to him as his mother. (And do not forget
            that solicitous Mary overstepped her bounds, putting Jesus in the position of having to perform a miracle, before he began his ministry proper, in Cana.) So, her “Assumption” a piece of colourful and extra-biblical fiction, can anyone believe
            that she can bring anything to bear on the King of Kings and Lord of Lords? (And again, we defer to his single mediatorship in 1 Tim. 2:5.)

            Therefore, dear believers, let us desist henceforth from “…answer(ing) a fool according to his folly, lest (we) become like him”. (Prov. 26:4) He/she/they have as immediate object the confounding of the faithful with a deluge of Scripture, ill-applied and twisted to conform to their ungodly aims. So “don’t give something that is holy to dogs. They will only turn and hurt you. And don’t throw your pearls to pigs. They
            will only step on them”.

          • Eskimo man

            The Blessed Virgin Mary
            Genesis 3:15: [15] I will put enmities between thee and the woman, and thy seed and her seed: she shall crush thy head, and thou shalt lie in wait for her heel.
            (NOTE** [15] She shall crush: Ipsa, the woman; so divers of the fathers read this place, conformably to the Latin: others read it ipsum, viz., the seed. The sense is the same: for it is by her seed, Jesus Christ, that the woman crushes the serpent’s head.)
            Isaiah 7:14: [14] Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign. Behold a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and his name shall be called Emmanuel.
            Luke 1:26-38: [26] And in the sixth month, the angel Gabriel was sent from God into a city of Galilee, called Nazareth, [27]
            To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin’ s name was Mary. [28] And
            the angel being come in, said unto her: Hail, full of grace, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women. [29] Who
            having heard, was troubled at his saying, and thought with herself what manner of salutation this should be. [30] And
            the angel said to her: Fear not, Mary, for thou hast found grace with God. [31] Behold thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and shalt bring forth a son; and thou shalt call his name Jesus. [32] He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the most High; and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of David his father; and he shall reign in the house of Jacob for ever. [33] And of his kingdom there shall be no end. [34] And
            Mary said to the angel: How shall this be done, because I know not man? [35] And the angel answering, said to her: The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the most High shall overshadow thee. And therefore also the Holy which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God. [36] And behold thy cousin Elizabeth, she also hath conceived a son in her old age; and this is the sixth month with her that is called barren: [37] Because no word shall be impossible with God. [38] And Mary said: Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it done to me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.
            Luke 1:41-50: [41] And it came to pass, that when Elizabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the infant leaped in her womb. And Elizabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost: [42] And
            she cried out with a loud voice, and said: Blessed art thou among women, andblessed is the fruit of thy womb. [43] And
            whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? [44] For behold as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in my ears, the infant in my womb leaped for joy. [45] And blessed art thou that hast believed, because those things shall be accomplished that were spoken to thee by the Lord. [46] And Mary said: My soul doth magnify the Lord. [47] And
            my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour. [48] Because he hath regarded the humility of his handmaid; for behold from
            henceforth all generations shall call me blessed. [49] Because he that is mighty, hath done great things to me; and holy is his name. [50] And his mercy is from generation unto generations, to them that fear him.
            (NOTE** [48] Shall call me blessed: These words are a prediction of that honour which the church in all ages should
            pay to the Blessed Virgin. Let Protestants examine whether they are any way concerned in this prophecy.)
            Luke 2:25-35: [25] And behold there was a man in Jerusalem named Simeon, and this man was just and devout, waiting for the consolation of Israel; and the Holy Ghost was in him. [26] And he had received an answer from the Holy Ghost, that he should not see death, before he had seen the Christ of the Lord. [27] And he came by the Spirit into the temple. And when his parents brought in the child Jesus, to do for him according to the custom of the law, [28] He also took him into his arms, and blessed God, and said: [29] Now thou dost dismiss thy servant, O Lord, according to thy word in peace; [30] Because my eyes have seen thy salvation, [31] Which thou hast prepared before the face of all peoples: [32] A
            light to the revelation of the Gentiles, and the glory of thy people Israel. [33] And his father and mother were wondering at those things which were spoken concerning him. [34]
            And Simeon blessed them, and said to Mary his mother: Behold this child is set for the fall, and for the resurrection of many in Israel, and for a sign which shall be contradicted; [35] And thy own soul a sword shall pierce, that, out of many hearts, thoughts may be revealed.
            (NOTE** – [34] For the fall: Christ came for the salvation of all men; but here Simeon prophesies what would come to pass, that many through their own willful blindness and obstinacy would not believe in Christ, nor receive his doctrine, which therefore would be ruin to them: but to others a resurrection, by their believing in him, and obeying his commandments.)
            John 2:1-5: [1] And the third day, there was a marriage in Cana of Galilee: and the mother of Jesus was there. [2] And Jesus also was invited, and his disciples, to the marriage. [3] And the wine failing, the mother of Jesus saith to him: They have no wine. [4] And Jesus saith to her: Woman, what is that to me and to thee? my hour is not yet come. [5] His mother saith to the waiters: Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye.
            (NOTE**- [4] What is that to me: These words of our Saviour, spoken to his mother, have been understood by some
            commentators as harsh, they not considering the next following verse: Whatsoever he shall say to you, do ye, which plainly shews that his mother knew of the miracle that he was to perform, and that it was at her request he wrought it; besides the manner of speaking the words as to the tone, and the countenance shewn at the same time, which could only be known to those who were present, or from what had followed: for words indicating anger in one tone of voice, would be understood quite the reverse in another.) John 19:26-27: [26]
            When Jesus therefore had seen his mother and the disciple standing whom he loved, he saith to his mother: Woman, behold thy son. [27] After that, he saith to the disciple: Behold thy mother. And from that hour, the disciple took her to his own.
            (**Note – Just as Eve became the mother of all of the living at the foot of the tree of knowledge of good and evil, Genesis 3:20, just so, Mary becomes our mother at the foot of the cross, also called a tree in Acts 5:30. John was standing in for all of the Church here. Notice how Jesus uses the universal term “Woman” here, rather than “Mother”, and how he does not address the disciple John by his name. This implies that Jesus is referring to The Church as a whole, rather than just John and Mary.)
            Revelation 11:19, 12:1-2: [19] And the temple of God was opened in heaven: and the ark of his testament was seen in his temple, and there were lightnings, and voices, and an earthquake, and great hail. 12:[1] And a great sign appeared in heaven: A woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and on her head a crown of twelve stars: [2] And
            being with child, she cried travailing in birth, and was in pain to be delivered.
            (NOTE**- [1] A woman: The church of God. It may also, by allusion, be applied to our blessed Lady. The church is
            clothed with the sun, that is, with Christ: she hath the moon, that is, the changeable things of the world, under her feet: and the twelve stars with which she is crowned, are the twelve apostles: she is in labour and pain, whilst she brings forth her children, and Christ in them, in the midst of afflictions and
            persecutions.)
            Revelation 12:13-17: [13] And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman, who brought forth the man child: [14] And there were given to the woman two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the desert unto her place, where she is nourished for a time and
            times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. [15] And the serpent cast out of his mouth after the woman, water as it were a river; that he might cause her to be carried away by the river. [16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the river, which the dragon cast out of his mouth. [17] And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

          • ort

            Yet you up voted her comment. Hmmm.

          • Eskimo man

            If I up voted a comment, it is because there was nothing wrong with it.

          • ort

            Yet you disagree with everything she says. But, you upvote her, even though you just said she has evil spirits. Hypocritical, no?

          • ort

            Show me what verse says we all have “divine potential”. What you are claiming is a new age nonsense, where God “is in everything and everyone”. Nonsense.

          • Dawn Ludwig

            New Agers. Ekhart Tole………….pray for these people to see the Truth

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            In Corinthians. Forget Ye Not that the Spirit of God Dwells Inside Of You.

          • ort

            Yes, we are sealed with the Holy Spirit when we are born again, but NOWHERE does the Bible state we are “divine”. Your exegesis is way off, and whoever taught you this taught you falsely.

          • ort

            Eskimo man: you are a hypocrite for up voting her comment, while systematically flaming her on this board.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            The Spirit of God.. isn’t God Divine? So we are spirit children of God therefore have a Divine Potential. I would pray about it if I were you and see what your answere is 🙂

          • ort

            No, humans are not, never were, nor can ever be “divine”.
            What you espouse sounds like mormonism.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Just so you know in 2013 when I had the experience I had the personal understanding that be cause we have Heavenly father’s spirit in us, we need to be representatives of Him. This aligns our will to His. I had forgotten that wrapped up in matters of daily life, work, the mammon basically, and I just remembered this and the Holy spirit came upon me so strong again. This is why doing everything in moderation is so important. The Holy Spirit always comes upon us when we align our will with the Lord’s. Amen. 🙂

          • Pax Humana

            I think that she is a bit confused. What she should REALLY be saying is that the HANDIWORK of YAHWEH EL ELOHIM is in everything as opposed to everything is YAHWEH EL ELOHIM Himself, in which case she is presupposing in her argument, which, according to the Holy Scriptures, is an evil and blasphemous argument AND, outside of them, is also a COMPLETELY different argument than everything simply being made by Him.

          • Dawn Ludwig

            But you Linda only had it for 4 weeks right?

        • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

          Lol, it was His almighty spirit. We all have a portion in us. He breathed life into us. But yes, this was an amazing experience. And only few have had this experience. I think Buddha may have. I’m sober. No meds no drugs, no alcohol or cigarettes. . I do Take calcium sometimes lol

          • Eskimo man

            You poor soul, I will have to pray for you. I hope you get well soon.

      • Neiman

        Be very careful, the Devil is quite capable of causing you to think your visions were real. (a) How do you know it was Christ? (b) The Devil can appear as an angel of Light and even work seeming miracles, to deceive souls. (c) Why would He take you to the Garden of Eden, for what spiritual purpose? (d) What constitutes salvation, how is one saved?

        • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

          Believe me, I wondered the same thing. Why me? Why now? But Im not worthy.. etc and then I realized the Lord wanted my soul to progress faster and use my love for the gospel and Christ and the Father to reach out to people more to help them build their testimonies. To this day, and this happened in 2013, I am so humbled and grateful for this experience. And yes, others have said the same thing, my own relative said it.was probably deception, and that very same night he said that and said he discounted any experience I had, God appeared to me in my dream and told me I have special powers. Since the experience, I have begun to prioritize God more, during the 4 weeks I couldn’t work, or think of anything but Jesus. I rambled about answers to scriptures that I didnt even know to my husband and scared him, becuase of my ongoing love and desire to talk about Jesus and nothing else 24/7. After this experience, I only wanted to help people more and engage in service more than ever. I appreciate your comment. Thank you.

          • ort

            All I see in your post is the elevation of yourself. You say “I” an awful lot. Remember Sagan and his 5 “I wills”.
            Something is quite wrong here, with you.

          • Dawn Ludwig

            Again, it is not biblical to have an “i went to heaven or hell” experience. This usually happens to people who are on the verge of death and have these out of body experiences. It is not biblical for one and secondly the medical field has done a study on this very subject. It is the drugs they pump into you and the dopamine in your brain.
            You may have forgotten that satan knows the bible better than any human. He is such a deceiver and sounds like he has really gotten to you.
            If you read about the Apostle Paul, who talks of a “vision” of heaven which he says he did not know weather it was in or out of the body. He never once went into detail of what heaven looked like. As we see with most if not all who claim to have these experiences.
            I hope you can come to understand the Word for “what it is” not what “you” think or interpret it to be. Pray for discernment, and understanding of Gods Word.
            The thing that gets me most is that you claim the Spirit was upon you for 4 weeks. Only 4 weeks? This is not how God operates. Once we are true Children of God and have Repented of and turned from ourselves and sin the Spirit is within us forever.
            I hope you find the Truth and come out of the spell Satan has put on you. God Bless

          • Eskimo man

            King James – The Founder of Freemason Lodges The KJV – A Freemason Bible
            The history of King James’ role in the formation of Freemasonry is mandatory reading in the Hiram Key book of Masonic scrolls
            attempting to link Christ with the Pharaohs. Freemasonry, in its present form, came into being through the Lodge system, established under the auspices of King James VI of Scotland, (later King James I of England), the only son of Roman Catholic Mary Queen of Scots. At the age of 37, two years after becoming a Mason, James became the first Stuart king of England and immediately began to persecute the Puritans, rejecting their petition to reform the Church of England along biblical lines. James was initiated into Freemasonry, into the
            Lodge of Scoon and Perth in 1601, at the age of 35. Fifteen years after taking active control of Scotland and five years before becoming English monarch, he ordered that the Masonic structure be given leadership and organisation. He made a senior Mason, named William Schaw, his General Warden of the Craft, and instructed Schaw to revamp the entire structure of Freemasonry into what it became today. Schaw commenced this project on 28th December 1598, on the orders of James. To this day, the 1611 edition of the King James Bible remains the
            Freemason Bible and is the edition conventionally used in secret Masonic temple rituals. Moriel does not, however believe that the Masonic association with the KJV or the Freemasonry of King James, founder of the Masonic Lodge system, detracts from the validity of this outdated but valid translation of the Bible. Nonetheless, it is the Freemason Bible and has been from its inception, commissioned and authorised by the same Freemason King who commissioned and authorised the Masonic Lodge structure. We can only speculate how many members of the KJV Only cult are in fact Freemasons.

          • Gunny

            The Masonic lodge seems to be very important to you, have you petitioned them for membership?

          • Eskimo man

            You are the one who follows them, and their anti Catholic agenda.

          • Gunny

            Your lies are empty accusations, I have separated myself from the lodge for all time. There is no point to your post or your accusations.

          • jennylynn

            You are speaking of nothing new. This happended to Joseph Smith, Mohammad, Margarett O’Donald. Satan apears as an angel of light. 2 Corinthians 11:14. Many will perish for following after demons. If you do not study the Word of God you will believe any lie.

            and witth all wicked deception for those who are perishing, because they did not recieve the love of the truth so as to be saved. 2 Thessalonians 2:10

          • Rumplestiltskin

            You, my dear (Linda Tannen) are suffering from Schizophrenia, and had a break with reality. You have no idea as to the nature of reality, nor who or what is manipulating you into believing something so outrageous.

            Dreams are nothing more than symbolism we humans use to try and make sense of our multidimensional nature. Remember that everything in a dream is specifically and only YOU.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Lol Rumplestilskin, were all the prophets and apostles schizophrenics? It’s so easy to labe someone like that when you lack in faith. Were all the random people I met that heard God’s voice or saw a vision schizophrenics? Maybe according to you, anyone who has faith and who God chooses to have spiritual experienceS is a schizophrenic. Yes, God appears in dreams too and Jesus does. They will only appear in dreams to show us a special message. Lol, my bill of health is clean lol. I can tell you what schizophrenia is, it’s caused by evil energy, just like any disease, so Jesus can get rid of all of that. Anyway, just thought your comment was funny and wanted to respond. Have a great day and love one another as Jesus loves you. 😉 and do not judge. AMEN

        • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

          The Garden of Eden is a spiritual plane parallel to this world but there I found out that all things were living and breathing, the earth was living and moving, there was no time, only the present existed and only love, bliss, happiness, existed. There were no worries. During the 4 weeks some people (strangers) were drawn to me and wanted to tell me what a great mother I was. One by one they would line up just watching me. Cars would move out of my way to let me pass as I took my kids to school. My soul lifted so high above I could.barely drive and I told my 10 year old daughter I felt like I was floating. She put her hand on my shoulder so I couls focus on driving becuase I couldnt even drive.. then I also showed her how to get to Eden. She followed my lead and then she felt the spirtual happiness and feeling I felt. Her eyes twinkled and she told me she understood.

          To answer your question (c) it was because He knew that my financial struggles would come close to defeating me. So He showed me that I was worthy by letting me experience the Divine Potential we all have.

          (D) We are all saved by the grace of God and our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. However, as Jesus said, we ahould “sin no more,” lest we forget our Divine Potential. Its easy to fall prey to our Flesh. And there isevil out there that can penetrate our souls and behavior. This is why going to church, studying the scriptures, focusing on being christ like is so important. Life on earth is just life on earth, but its the place of trials and a path to our progression. We partake of the fruit all.the time, but if we can live Christ like, we will be forgiven and saved through His Grace. Amen.

          • Neiman

            Please show us in Scripture wherein God says “Eden is a spiritual plane parallel to this world.” I have a real, serious problem with why, if your experience was real, God would choose Eden? In God’s Word, on the few occasions wherein men were taken up in a vision, it was to Heaven, before God’s Throne, not Eden. If you say you saw Jesus, which Jesus I am unsure, how could you ever take your eyes off of Him in all His Love and Glory and have any interest in anything else? Why would anything else interest you or be worthy of your notice?

            (c) You are worthy? Yet Scripture tells us that no one is good, no one is worthy of the least of God’s Mercies, in fact our salvation and His working in our lives in based solely on His Mercy, upon being, by faith, Born Again of the Spirit of Christ and it is upon His worthiness that we are saved.

            (d) We do not progress in this life by any means towards perfection, it is only ours by virtue of our being converted, being Born Again in Christ, it is a gift of God. He is Perfect and in Spirit, being part of His Body, we share in His Perfection, His holiness. Yours is, I fear, a grace + works salvation.

            I am sorry, you have a right to believe in your so-called vision; but by your every word you deny Christ as our all-in-all, first to last, beginning to end, He is to have absolute preeminence in our lives. Take your financial and other needs, surely it is by faith alone, in Christ alone, by the prayer of faith, which faith is a gift of God, His faith in us; that all our needs and our heart’s desires are met, He must be our first, last and only resource, not visions, not some Eden experience. I fear you are deceived.

          • Dawn Ludwig

            Totally deceived this person is. Very sad and indeed needs prayer.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Prayers are great, but just so you know, I still have the Holy spirit it just isn’t the same as before. The four weeks were amazing. No worries, bliss, happiness, love all in one. I felt like changing my entire wardrobe into white and healing people with cancer. But I never did I sometimes wonder what would’ve happened if I did visit cancer patients and healed them in the name of Christ.. but it was quite the experience. But now I am just grateful I had the experience. I know it was a holy experience. No devils here lol. But I do know they exist and they cause suffering, disease and destruction. Being aware of that is important in our soul’s progression. Anyway, now I just run my day to day life focusing on God, family, work and service in that order. 🙂

          • Nabukuduriuzhur

            I asked the Lord. You are deceived. Please repent and ask Christ to show you the truth. Read the Scriptures. That is where the truth lies. Not in visions.

          • Eskimo man

            The truth lies in the Catholic Church, and not anyone’s own interpretation of the Bible.
            To the many who pride themselves as being “Bible-and-Bible-Only Christians.” One cannot have God for his Father, who will not have the Church for his Mother, and likewise, one cannot have the Word of God for his faith who will not have the Church for his teacher. It is the infallible teaching authority of the Church, as promised by Christ, which alone preserves God’s Word from erroneous interpretation. Every sincere Bible reader deserves to know the true relation God has established between His Church and Holy Scripture. Therefore, we invite all who love the Bible, to come and be one in Christ by letting the true Catholic Church of Christ teach you, lest while reading the Scriptures “… the unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, to their own destruction.” [2 Peter 3:16]

          • Mark Barker

            I certainly hope that is sarcasm, if not you’re seriously disturbed. There has never been a more corrupt entity on the Earth than the Catholic Church. Stop praying to Mary, she died. She can’t hear you or answer your prayers. If your prayers to anyone but Jesus are being answered, it’s Satan doing so.

          • Eskimo man

            Prove to me any of your evil claims. The non Catholic religion you follow was created by the occult, so your words are just from the evil one. Where does it say in the Bible not to pray to anyone but God? Mary is the Queen of Heaven, being crowned with a crown of 12 stars. Revelation 12. Mary is the woman that crushes the serpents head. Genesis 3:15. Mary is the devils number one enemy, as she conquered sin, and gave us Jesus. The devil wants you to reject Mary the Mother of God, and if you do so, you are in danger of being cursed, and angering Jesus who loves His Mother.

          • Gunny

            Exo 20:1 And God spake all these words, saying,
            Exo 20:2 I am the LORD thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
            Exo 20:3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.
            Exo 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth:
            Exo 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

          • Eskimo man

            I know these scriptures very well, and they are directed to
            the Jews that had not seen God, and were making graven images of Him. The verse about the graven images is included in the first commandment, that says, “thou shalt not have false Gods before thee.” A graven image of a false God that is.
            Now that Jesus has revealed Himself to us, there is nothing wrong with having images of Jesus, Mary, and Joseph, and anyone else. We only worship Jesus as God and no other. Do you have images of your family members? If you do, which I’m
            sure you do, with your logic, you are worshipping graven images of false Gods.

            Look I’m sick and tired of going back and forth with you
            protestants, and it is not good for my faith, and clearly not good for yours. Why don’t you talk to a Priest, and he will answer all your questions, and clear up all your false accusations in one hour? May the peace of the Lord be
            with you, and God Bless.

          • Chris G

            And Martin Luther was involved with the occult how? Whereas in Jeremiah we find out all about the “queen of heaven” and definitely should not pray to her.

            The children gather wood, the fathers kindle fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven. And they pour out drink offerings to other gods, to provoke me to anger.

            (Jeremiah 7:18 ESV)

          • Eskimo man

            Luther was a Rosicrucian which is connected to Freemasonry. He and all the others that supported the reformation are devil worshippers of the occult. The queen of Heaven in Jeremiah did not exist, but the Queen of Heaven in Revelation is the Blessed Virgin Mary. If you are not Catholic then you are not Christian.

          • Chris G

            Searching the web for Luther + Rosicrucian does bring up quite a few websites, so I can see why you would say that. But I also found that the websites that are presenting this idea are filled with conspiracy theory type ramblings about the illuminati, jews, new world order etc etc and that some of there sources included fictional books like holy blood holy grail and the document “the protocols of the Elders of Zion” which is an admitted hoax.

            Looking up official pages related to the Rosicrucian order there is no mention of luther or any others in the reformation despite lot’s of detail about their history going back to medieval times. Is it possible that after Luther presented his 95 theses to the catholic church that he was then supported by some who were just there because they were against the catholic church? This seems possible even if not proven, but I don’t see how it fits in with luther before he presented the 95 theses while he was a monk and a teaching professor for the catholic church.

            In regards to the scripture in Revelations that mentions the Queen of Heaven. I can see why Catholic’s would think that this is a direct reference to Mary and of course, if it is a reference to Mary then it would be impossible for her not to be seen in a position of Reverence. I would think it much more likely however to be a reference to the nation of israel rather that an actual literal person. I would also question why if the text is about Mary does it say that she is going through the pains of childbirth? Pain in childbirth was a direct consequence of the fall of man and our resulting inherent sinfulness. My understanding of Catholic beliefs is that Mary was completely without Sin. If Mary did not inherit a sinful nature, she would therefore not have to bare the consequences of sin in regards to pains in childbirth.

            I’m interested in your views on this. Always happy to learn more.

            I can’t see much value in getting into a I’m Christian, your not. No I am, you aren’t back and forth so I won’t.

          • Eskimo man

            What are conspiracy type ramblings? The Kabbalistic
            underground societies of the occult were founded by the Jews, and that is where the Rosicrucians came from. The Rosicrucians main goal was to destroy the
            Catholic Church from within. Rosicrucianism and Freemasonry are directly
            related in that they have the same goals, and that the devil is their God. The
            Illuminati became one with the Masons in 1776, and have been working on the New
            World Order under the anti Christ ever since. The Protestant revolution and the
            nation of the US are founded and run by the occult. Of course it is going to be
            hard to find information on these occult societies, their members, and their
            intentions for world domination. That is why they are called secret societies
            of the occult.

            ROSICRUCIANS AND FREEMASONS

            THE HOUSE OF STUART

            The Habsburg realm became internally divided when the German
            princes of the Empire had largely supported the Protestant movement against the
            Catholic Church, which was ostensibly defended by the Habsburg rulers. The
            rising tide of the Protestant movement came to a head in Bohemia, where the
            Kabbalistic underground surfaced in the manner of the Order of the
            Rosicrucians, otherwise known as the Order of the Rosy Cross. The ultimate aim
            of the Order was that of abolishing the Church, and replacing it with a
            government of “wise” rulers. As explained by occult historian Laurence Gardner:
            It was by no chance that Martin Luther’s protest gained support in some very
            influential circles, for Rome had many enemies in high places. Not the least of
            these enemies were the Knights Templars, and the underground Hermetic societies
            whose esoteric crafts had been condemned by the Catholic Inquisition. The truth
            was not so much that Luther gained the support of others, but that he was the
            willing instrument of an already active movement which endeavoured to dismantle
            the rigid international domination of the Pope. As we now know, some of the
            chief architects of the Reformation – Martin Luther, Philip Melanchthon,
            Johannes Reuchlin, Jan Amos Kozmensky – belonged to occult societies.

            Malachi Martin: – The Keys of this Blood.

            There is much more documentation to show the actions of
            these occultists and Protestantism, but this post would be too large. King
            James was a Mason, and the KJV is for Masonic rituals at the Masonic Lodges. I
            have also got much more information about Luther, and how he changed the word
            of God and went against many different things in the Bible, including throwing
            out 7 books. Queen of Heaven is only one of Blessed Mary’s titles. She is the
            Mother of God, the Blessed Virgin, and our Blessed mother of the Church which
            is the Body of Christ. She is the woman in Genesis 3:15 that crushes the
            serpents head and enmity is put between the devil’s seed, (Protestants) and her
            seed. (Catholics). We venerate and honour her as our blessed mother, and the
            Mother of God, but we do not give reverence to her. The pains of child birth is
            in reference to giving birth to her children of the Church, and how some of her
            children are falling away from God, and the attacks against the Church. Yes
            Blessed Mary did not experience pain at the birth of Jesus. The Catholic Church
            is the Church that Jesus built on rock, and is the only Christian Church and
            religion. The Protestant religion is founded by the anti Catholic occult, and
            the members are tricked into following their anti Christ deceptions. Jesus said
            you are either with me or against me. There can only be one true Church.

          • tammy

            Mark, just ignore Eskimo man. He is a fanatic and gets terribly obnoxious and not very Catholic like ie foul mouth and foul name calling. Just ignore.

          • Gunny

            You’re a “KOOK” there is little truth in the Catholic ‘fubar’. Interesting that the word catholic means universal and your pope seems to be working for a one world church, just as prophesied, (by whoring up to the freaks from Islam)

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Lol, was every person in the bible that had spiritual experienceS a kook? So funny. Negative comments are induced by negative forces around u thst you allow in. I’m not Catholic. Lol

          • Gunny

            My post was directed to the Eskimo kook and his Catholic BS, his problem is that he is so indoctrinated by training that what goes in his brain is horribly twisted and can’t be added into anything logical.

          • Eskimo man

            I am positive that you are the indoctrinated one, and the only KOOK going around here.

          • Gunny

            OK; my post was for the KOOK. If the shoe doesn’t fit don’t even try and jam it on…

          • Gunny

            No, many spiritual experiences have been described to me and when they are the same as those described in God’s word I figure they are probably worthwhile.

          • Eskimo man

            It will be a one world religion created by your mates in the occult, and it won’t be Catholic you silly clown. I thought Jesus said to be friends with your enemies? Islam and the Catholic Church have been enemies for many years. What would Jesus do with Muslims? By persecuting the truest Christians, you are persecuting Jesus Christ. At least St Paul stopped doing it, but you won’t will you? It is interesting how those claiming to be Christian, actually hate the first Christian Church in history, and persecute Catholics the same as what devils would do. Jesus said to the Apostles, “Remember that the world hated me first, so if you follow me, the world will hate you too.” That’s what we Catholics are here for, to be persecuted by scum. Bring it on.

          • carole smith

            Jesus said to love your enemies. He did not say to neglect to tell the truth. All the saints are to go forth and spread the Gospel. By saints, I am saying that everyone who has repented and been baptized for the remission of sins, is a saint. Not the venerated and worshiped and prayed to icons of the catholic religion.

          • Jeremiah

            Mat_5:44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
            Where’s the “friends” part?

          • Eskimo man

            Why are you telling me? I just included the same thing in my last post. Yet you are on their side aren’t you?

          • Jeremiah

            Moron Man; I’m telling you because you can’t seem to differentiate between a loved one (enemy,family, or neighbor) and what a “friend” is. If I’m on ‘their’ side it’s because of the stupid stuff that you post.

          • Eskimo man

            Very Christian comment that shows who you are with, and you have no authority to judge what I post. Considering many of my posts contain the word of God, saying stupid stuff that I post can’t be too good, I’d be careful if I was you.

          • carole smith

            The catholic religion is not the true church of Christ. In the first century, when the church was established, there were those who came from the midst of the flock who taught false doctrine, who led people away from the true church, and set up their own system. This was the catholic church. The false prophets they were warned about. It was not the true church that led the Crusades, it was the catholic religion. It was the catholic religion that has caused the true church to be hated by those who are ignorant of what the true church is. If catholics were to read the Bible with an ear to understanding, I believe they can see for themselves that the practices they teach are false. We have several former catholics in the church I attend, and they say how hard it is to be able to leave the false catholic religion.

          • Gunny

            Bravo, Carole; Yes the RCC is satan’s counterfeit christian church.

          • tammy

            My Catholic friends are told not to read the Bible because they are not able to understand what it means. They are to go to the Priest and he will tell them what they need to know. My church is a lay church and we believe everyone needs to read the Bible and know what it says, doing so with prayer and fasting for true understanding. The RCC has perverted the gospel

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            How do you ask the Lord? Lol, understand that there are demon around us that answer too. Be careful. The Lord doesn’t answer like that.

          • carole smith

            I have had cancer, and I think you seem to be talking very lightly about thinking you could wear all white and go heal people with cancer. Shame on you. You do not have the power to heal. I don’t mean to sound harsh, and I am a Christian, so as God commands, I love all people, but we also should speak out about the wrongs that people do. If you are truly wanting to focus on God first, please read the Bible and see just what you are supposed to do. Don’t make it up as you go along. I will stop now and say a prayer for you, Linda.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Hi Carole, sorry to hear you had cancer but glad to know it’s in remission. My spiritual experienceS are of God I know. I’ve seen Him and Jesus in my dreams. Healing only comes from God and Jesus. No human can heal. So when I felt like I could heal it was through them. The holy spirit was so strong I knew His spirit was in me. That was why I felt like I could heal people. Actually, I know we can all be healed if it’s not our time, and if we have faith. Everything is in our Savior and Lord s hands. Amen. Btw many around me who I prayed over and taught how they can pray have been healed. It’s just understanding what causes disease or destruction and untimely death, it’s caused by negative forces. 🙂

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            I’ve also seen visions of Jesus and in the first week of November on a Friday an angel appeared to me. I had prayed a year ago when I had the holy spirit in me for 4 weeks that if indeed I am to do the Lord’s work and to be a messenger thst He send me an angel. Because all messengers in the scriptures see angels. Well, He sent me one. That was my answer. It doesn’t make me any special. I am just here to tell of my experiences to show all that are lacking in faith that He and Jesus are real. God has also blessed me so that my 10 year old daughter experiences everything in part with me. She is my witness. It makes a difference since she has the innocence of a child and so forth. My the good Lord bless you with health. Pray tö Jesus and ask him to remove the negative forces affecting your health any time you hurt or are inflicted and he will Amen.

          • Gunny

            The unclean world can temporarily provide a large variety of seemingly pleasant experiences, (the Toronto effect is a good example) but you need to get loose from it before it becomes a permanent addiction.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            The unclean world is the mammon Gunny 🙂 anything earthly will draw you away from the Spirit

          • Gunny

            I just become concerned when someone describes a spiritual experience that doesn’t resemble anything scriptural. Anyone dealing with the unclean must remember that they all speak only lies.

          • Gunny

            I’m not sure I agree with that ‘mammon’ Linda. Mammon is suppose to be the good or the wealth, and sinners don’t always get that. Second part is probably accurate.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Jesus says we can’t worship both, it’s God or Mammon..I know the craziest thing is its almost like this is the cure in genesis where we must work for our bread till we die. But the interesting part is we will lean from our trials and suffering and progress. If we give up everything we have for God then we will surely be blessed. But if we give some to God we are still blessed. If we give nothing and live only for mammon we won’t be blessed. I like to balance it. Because if I give up everything for God I will be giving up money and then how can I take care of my children? Praise the Lord and Savior for He is so good to us. For if it weren’t for His sacrifice, we would never make it to heaven. Amen

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            So true Gunny, wise words my friend

          • lynn

            Even repentance is a gift of God.
            Acts 11:18

          • ort

            Ahh, more elevation of self. “I’m such a great mother”, “I was elevated”, “I, I, I”.
            God is first, not us. You need to repent.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Lol, there is no elevation of self here 🙂 I was actually surprised that many people came to talk to me to tell me that that day, it was a very humbling and supernatural experience but only because I felt so much bliss and happiness all in one. We all need to repent lol, you too, me too we are all striving to be Christ like.

          • Pabz

            We were predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son. When we get saved, we do not become “little Christ” or little gods .

          • oregon_man

            ” we do not become “little Christ” or little gods ”

            Except the Mormons of course. They all become gods, even get their very own planet to rule over.

          • Pabz

            Not only mormon but many christians in our times. How about ROMAN CATHECISM, SOME PENTECOSTAL PREACHERS ( BENNY HINN, CREFLO DOLLAR, ETC)?

          • Teijo Kakkila

            That is occultist teaching. They have infiltrated the protestant movement numerous times.

          • jennylynn

            It sounds like you are caught up in the New Age religion. You have created your own jesus in your own mind which is idolatry and not the Jesus of the Bible. You need to stick with the Word of God and not go off on esoteric experiences which are very decieving and will lead you hell bound. The heart is deceiptful above all things and desperately wicked who could know it. Jeremiah 17:9 You cannnot trust feelings, but you can trust God’s word becauase He doesn’t lie. Test the spirits to see if they are from God. That is a command. 1 Timothy 4:1, 1 John 4:1.
            What you are writing has no scriptural bases.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Hi Jenny, thanks so much for the scripture refernce. Actually I know the Holy Spirit is of God. I get a very powerful feeling when I have a strong selfless thought. For example when I had the though of helping expand my husband’s company with him instead of mine, and focusing on being a mom and having a small company like I do, (this was truly a selfless thought ) as this thought came into my head, I got such a powerful feeling of bliss, happiness, warmth, and I knew.. I know we all have the potential to align our will with the Lord’s. Just have faith like Jesus said. I tell it to my children too. In doing so, by focusing on their spirit, my son said I believe and instantly his stomach flu stopped. I know it’s from God. I know everything that I experienced was holy. Why? Because I focus on pleasing God by 1 Timothy 8, having godliness onto all things

          • tammy

            Linda Tannen, I do not know if you saw Jesus or not, but if you study the scriptures, pray and work towards God’s goals, then I have a hard time believing it could be something bad. The feeling of bliss could be the holy spirit, filling you with the spirit of God, or it could be the adversary leading you astray. Fasting and praying with all your heart will lead you to the truth.

          • Gunny

            Tammy, there is no reason that the real Jesus wouldn’t reveal himself to someone who needed an extra boost of faith, it could happen it just isn’t. The “dark” side is very efficient at presenting all forms of deceptions and counterfeits. Bliss and euphoria are not the same as joy and not promised manifestations of the Spirit. I’d like to believe her as truth but I don’t.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Gunny, I actually met one man who came to my church and shared to the congregation that hewas a reincarnation of Christ. He sobbed and told me of his visions and what God the father told him. And I asked him, so what is your plan now? You’ve announced that you are the Messiah. He looked at me and said I don’t know. My friend was standing next to him with me at the time but we went back to our Sunday classes and I told him, it was deception. Why did I know? Because Jesus is Lord. He doesn’t get reincarnated. That is a devils trick. With this information in hand I emailed a man I had met in FB who told me that he was Jesus, and it was proof to him that it was deception. Anyway, yes there is deception, but it comes with pride and evil results. After my experience and during, all I wanted to do was tell everyone about Christ, I wanted to share it to the world. I wanted to help everyone, heal people with His help, serve people, love everyone. Because God is all Love and all good. And we have His spirit in us. Our true nature of spirit is good. Our flesh which dictates our will makes us make the wrong choices. Believe or not, it is the truth Amen. Christ is our Savior. The Lord was gracious to us.

          • Jeremiah

            1Jn 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Tammy, I know it was Joy and love and bliss all in one and no worries. It’s hard to describe this amazing experience I had in words. But I do know it was of God. My 10 year old was able to feel His presence very strongly with me as well. I spoke to her and she was able to feel it with me. Albeit the holy spirit had completely filled me. She was feeling the presence, but I was one with the spirit. It was soo wonderful and made me feel so worthy because my self confidence was not that great before this moment. It was as if the Lord wanted me to have this experience so that I could flourish more and tell others of the Savior and His grace and love. Really, I never asked for this amazing experience but I am so grateful He chose me to spread His gospel, and that’s what I do, I tell of my experiences to strengthen the faith fo those that just need a little push toward Him. Amen

          • seldon

            1 GOD 3 Personas

          • Joshua Belanger

            I agree with this. I don’t know if you caught it, but she said earlier in this discussion that schizophrenia is caused by “negative energy.” That is very much new age (which is old eastern mysticism in disguise). Not to say that there is no such thing as energy, because there many different sorts of energy in nature. However, unless they are natural forces, energies are not impersonal things. Let us name so-called “negative energy” for what it truly is, demons. Aside from that, it is also possible to have natural causes for schizophrenia. Chemical imbalances in brains do not have to be demonic in origin. We live in a fallen world, where our DNA is both degenerate and missing information from the original genomes of Adam and Eve. But that does not explain all illnesses. Demons are real. They create real problems. So does our fallen flesh. We need to be careful to identify the source of a given issue, so that we know if we need to cast out demons or crucify the flesh. You cannot cast out the flesh. Nor can you crucify a demon. We must be discerning. Not only of the Spirit of God vs the spirit of antichrist, but of spiritual vs fleshly things.

          • jennylynn

            Agreed. My mother had schizophrenia due to a chemical imbalance. True not all illness is demon possession. Some brains are sick like any other disease. Though demons can take advantage of a sick brain which I have witnessed first hand. Though often today all demon possession is called mental illness and labeled as such to remove the spiritual accountability.

          • Pabz

            I personally do not believe in visions, dreams, Audible voiceof God ( or still small voice), prophecy & speaking in tongues. The Bible is enough.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            You’re right 😀 the Bible is enough 🙂 in fact if you read deeply aND follow Jesus’S teachings, and do your best to live like Him. That is perfect. Through Him we are saved. 🙂 Amen

          • Pax Humana

            Then you, like Linda Tannen, are NOT of the Kingdom of YAHWEH EL ELOHIM, for you do not completely accept His Word as The Way, The Truth, and The Life in your life, period, full stop.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Wrong. The word of God is the word of God point blank. The scriptures are examples for us to see what to do and what not to do. God gave us the scriptures so we can be better and come back to Him. I don’t get your issue really 🙂 I love Jesus and am so thankful for His Atonement and my heart is full of joy when I think of God’s mercy and grace. Some of us have spiritual experienceS because we are meant to. Point blank. We are here to send a message that God loves us all and Jesus is our Savior. Amen

          • Pax Humana

            I am right, you are wrong, and you are also a servant of Lucifer, no matter how many times that you say otherwise, for the Book of Isaiah, Chapter 5, and Verses 20 to 22, among many other ones that are in the Holy Scriptures, all condemn you to such a place in your life.

          • GreenSquirrel

            Kill yourself, psychopath. Please. I’m begging you. your god does not want you to exist, and you are a cancer on the world.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Lol, how judgemental… I think there is a scripture about that 🙂

          • Jaime Peebles

            Acts 2:17
            “‘In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams

          • Gunny

            Jaime; I’m not sure that means the final last days, more likely the last 2000 years “last days” starting with Pentecost to now (but of course there could always be another outpouring as often as He wishes)

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Exactly!

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            I’ve met many people that have had visions. It’s very real. It doesn’t matter what you believe because real is real. 🙂

          • Gunny

            “Nothing unreal exists”

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            It depends on what you are meant to see or not. God is real. But some say He the Almighty Creator doesn’t exist, well He does. But for those that believe He doesn’t it’s that way. I hope this makes sense. God appears to some for a reason. We have to share his Gospel more. Amen

          • Gunny

            Does that mean you can believe in God but not the spirit world?

          • Gunny

            Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

            Mar 16:18 They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.

          • Gunny

            Could have been drug induced…

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Lol I am so sober I don’t drink or even smoke. You are funny

          • Gunny

            You are describing fantastic unreal experiences that very few have had and fewer still brag about. You can use somebody making excuses for you. Normally the experience of Holy Spirit baptism includes praying in tongues, unusual joy, and a new knowledge of God’s love.

          • carole smith

            Linda, this is delusional. It is not of God. There are mental diseases that present these symptoms you are having.

          • tammy

            How can you be so sure??? Linda may or may not have been with God, how can you say with certainty what God can or can’t do. God can communicate with those who are open and listening. As can the adversary. I do not know one way or the other and it is not for me to judge her. When the savior comes again, how many of you will judge him as harshly as you a judging Linda. How many of you will see him and reject him because of pre-established beliefs?

      • ort

        why would God “transport you to the garden of Eden”? To what possible purpose?
        Secondly, you do know that when a person is saved, the Holy Spirit resides in them forever, not just for 4 weeks?
        I am very leery of people who supposedly have “visions” and claim God showed them things.

        • Neiman

          Exactly right!

        • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

          Because that was my experience. When Jesus performed miracles and spoke of God, in the end he was persecuted. We don’t always have to be “right.” God and Jesus are all that matter. Jesus’S teachings are all that matter. We can be grateful for being saved by grace, but Jesus did say Sin no more. The holy spirit of course is still with me, but the feeling is not as strong as it was before.. but occasionally when a special selfless thought pops into my head, I have an intense feeling of the spirit again, I think it happens when my will aligns with God’s. I’m pretty sure I answered the garden of eden question. Also, it’s here, but it happens when our holy spirit is so strong within us. Oh and as for scripture reference, Corinthians. Forget Yes Not that the Spirit of God Dwells Inside Of You. It’s really true, we can connect to our Divine potential. Amen

          • Joe Jarret

            Maybe you grieved/quenched the Holy Spirit. There are verses that explains this. Also, not everyone’s “cup” is as full as others, it depends on what God gives and takes.

      • Dawn Ludwig

        You truly need to read the scripture. There have never been anyone who has been to heaven or hell and returned. You only had the Spirit living in you for 4 weeks? Once we are accepted by Christ and have Repented of Sin and turned from it and become a new creation in Christ the Holy Spirit Comes into us and lives in us forever.
        I feel sad for people like you that are deceived. I will pray for you and others like you. I hope you find the Truth in the Scriptures. May the devil come out of you and God the True King come into you.

        • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

          The devil never was in me. Of course I have the holy spirit in me forever but this was a whole new experience on another level. It was so spiritual and beautiful. The devil is everything negative. All I do is give, love, serve and tell people to believe in Christ. Honestly, where in that sentence do u think the devil resides?? Nowhere.

      • Gunny

        You know how to “test” the spirits don’t you? I suggest repeated testing when weird stuff is going on.

        • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

          Hey Gunny 🙂 if the holy ghost is with me, I feel pure joy, love, happiness, and peace all in one. When I saw an angel recently I felt that same feeling. God chose me to give me spiritual testimony so that I can tell all He is real, and Jesus who has appeared to me since 07 is real as well. My job as well as yours and all of us here is to tell everyone that they are real. Spiritual experienceS are shown/given to certain people so that we spread the word more.
          Unless God asks me to preach, I wont. I do minister by providing service to the needy or speaking of the gospel reciting scripture etc, but that’s it. I don’t proclaim to be anyone special, I know we all have a mission here on earth to spread the gospel. Amen

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            BTW my 10 year old daughter has shared in my spiritual experienceS with me. She has in part felt what I felt because I brought her to that spiritual plane through the Lord. It’s pretty cool. It just proves what I experience is real, she is my witness and God has made it so because she is pure and has the innocence of a child. I’m here to share to build faith in those that lack it only for the sole purpose of spreading God’s word. Amen

      • Galaxy Cat

        I do not doubt your experiences, I too have seen many things, but beware to classification of God’s Creation unto Dimensional Physics (Planes and so Forth), the enemy has set it up to where Spirituality and religion can only be explained by Science, and his “science” will “liberate” the discord. God transcends His Creation, Spirit Transcends Science, He is above Heaven and Earth, none can know Him, He is no Respecter of Persons, for He Knows Us from the Beginning, but if you are moved to the Gift of Healing through the Holy Spirit, you should obey in Faith, it sounds like you have had an Apostolic Experience, But cut out the branch that is growing concerning anything scientific in God’s Spiritual Realm, there is more to Spirit than what can be explained! All my Love in Christ, may the Lord bless you and keep you always!

        • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

          Thank you Galax cat. I don’t try to tie in science with God. God is everything the alpha and omega and there are many things that certain people who are not progressed spiritually do not understand or try to understand, but all in all. Yes, I told my friends I felt like an apostle of Jesus Christ and how grateful I am that He allowed me to have this experience. Truly. And I also have pondered what I can do for Him. But I haven’t gotten an answer yet. I did get one answer but I know there are more. Praise the Lord for He loves us all so much Amen!

        • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

          God bless you too Amen!

    • M B

      AMEN!

    • Jonathan

      Even if you see “Jesus” in the sky be wary. Because they now have hologram technology that can simulate some such occurrence.

    • sheri inman

      TRUE!

  • William Bauers

    Don’t forget this guy.
    https://www.facebook.com/LordRayEl

  • Rene Arizona Craig

    Blasphemy….When Jesus comes back the entire world will know it at once 🙂

  • triangle whip

    23″Then if anyone says to you, ‘Behold, here is the Christ,’ or ‘There He is,’ do not believe him.24″For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect.… Matt ch 24

  • REV. JAMES G. BORDEN

    YAHWEH LINCOLN PARK CHURCH, HILO, HAWAII:
    THEY ARE ALL FAKES AND UNLESS THEY REPENT AND ASK JAHUSHUA FOR FORGIVENESS THEY ARE GOING TO HAVE A SERIOUS PROBLEM WHEN THEY HAVE TO FACE GOD.

    • softengine

      True. In the meantime though – your caps lock is on.

      • M B

        hahahaha! …. that’s funny… 🙂

  • Foxwolf

    Its funny the people don’t no the difference between the rapture and the second coming .

  • Frank

    Fake Christ but the Bible did foretell their evil adventure !!!

  • Frank

    Fake Christ but the Bible did foretell their evil adventure !!!

  • Landroval

    By their fruits you shall know them.

  • George

    LOL, I would love to bring all these false Christs together in one room and let them duke it out.

    • tornadotess

      If you filmed it you’d be a millionaire!

      • Pax Humana

        How about if we put them inside a steel cage wrestling ring and give them weapons as well instead, folks?

    • tornadotess

      If you filmed it you’d be a millionaire!

  • Bruce Morrow

    The scriptures are being fulfilled before our eyes folks.

    • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

      Yes exactly I have been thinking the same thing 🙂 we are so blessed to have the scriptures 🙂

  • Bruce Morrow

    A word of warning: The Bible alone is the word of God. Be thou ware of those who claim some “new revelation” from God.

    • Megan Durbin

      According to 2 Corinthians In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established. The bible is 1 and when the New Testament was introduced it was rejected quoting that same scripture so which version is it that is correct and why does it mention other witnesses if there is only supposed to be 1 witness?

      • IowaDoctor

        I agree with Megan Durbin. Those who truly understand the Bible, what it is, how it came to be, and what it says–those who truly accept it as God’s word–they would not say the Bible contains ALL His words–they would not try and limit God, saying that He can never speak again. God still exists, and He can still speak. His words can be written down. So while I accept the Bible as the word of God, and am grateful for the amazing preservation of these marvelous scriptures, I do not try and stop the Lord from giving us more of His word–something you may want to consider if you believe in a living God as I do.

        • Neiman

          For there to be the possibility of new revelations, show us all where in God’s Word He speaks of fresh revelations of divine Truth in generations following Christ’s ascension to Heaven.

          If any man comes saying they have a fresh revelation of God’s Word, it must conform perfectly to that which has already been revealed and He must speak of that possibility. In Christ all things were revealed and fulfilled.

          But you have something specific in mind, please tell us what you think are fresh revelations. Mormonism?

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Oh yes, Mormonism was definitely a fresh revelation but all things lead to Christ. I saw a cool video about a muslim man saying his moment of truth was when he figured out that Jesus was mentioned in the Quran 25 times, the prophet Mohammed 5 times and Mary the mother of Jesus is the only woman spoken of in there. In the Quaran apparently Jesus made a bird out of mud and breathed life into him. Awesome, really great stuff, just so wonderful that the Lord reached out to this Muslim man. There was another video I saw about a muslim ex terrorist seeing Jesus in prison while he was praying to Allah..awesome video, again Jesus saved him. Its no accident we are having this discussion 🙂 we are supposed to spread the Word. Christ our Savior and Redeemer lives. Amen

          • Neiman

            In the Bible, in both Testaments, we have Jesus presented as Almighty God, Him having no beginning, no end, one with the Father and Spirit, eternal, being the active agent in the Creation of all things.

            In Mormonism, we have a Jesus that was born as a result of sexual relations between a male God and his god-wife, so their Jesus is not eternal – he had a beginning, He is not Almighty God, He is a lesser being than God. Further, if later, as to His flesh, He was born of Mary, wasn’t He born twice? Their Jesus was/is the brother of Lucifer, Jesus having developed a better plan of Salvation, which turned Lucifer to evil in a jealous rage. Does their Jesus and the Jesus of Holy Scripture have anything in common? Does this make sense to you that in a fresh revelation, God would deny His former Word and present a wholly different Jesus to the world? Wouldn’t that make Him formerly a liar, a deceiver? Wouldn’t that make it a mockery of the Christian faith?

            In Islam, Jesus is not Almighty God, He was just a Prophet, a lesser Prophet than Mohammad. Allah had no children, there is no Trinity. In the Bible faith in Christ is the only way to salvation, yet in Islam salvation is earned both here by obedience (Jihad) and later in a purgatory like place through sufferings. Does it make sense to you that faith in Jesus can save Christians, but that faith in Jesus for salvation is contrary to Islam? Would God reveal Jesus as being Almighty God in Scripture and in a fresh revelation to Mohammad deny His deity and faith in Him as the only way unto salvation?

            Now tell me, if God offers new revelations of His Word and way and they contradict in the slightest way His revealed Word in Holy Scripture, let alone the gross deviations mentioned above; then how can we trust Him at all, how can we trust His new revelations? If such new revelations were in prefect harmony with His previous revelations, why would He offer new revelations at all?

            Please explain who your Jesus is? His Nature, His role in Salvation. Just to say you believe in Jesus is not sufficient, you must have objective proof for your beliefs or you are in danger of everlasting damnation, if you are wrong.

          • tammy

            I understand that Mormons believe we are all children of God. I kinda think not by having sex, I don’t know how. They believe Jesus is eternal. as are all those that are saved.

          • ort

            Mormonism is not a “fresh revelation”! It is an evil cult. Wow.

      • IowaDoctor

        I agree with Megan Durbin. Those who truly understand the Bible, what it is, how it came to be, and what it says–those who truly accept it as God’s word–they would not say the Bible contains ALL His words–they would not try and limit God, saying that He can never speak again. God still exists, and He can still speak. His words can be written down. So while I accept the Bible as the word of God, and am grateful for the amazing preservation of these marvelous scriptures, I do not try and stop the Lord from giving us more of His word–something you may want to consider if you believe in a living God as I do.

      • Eskimo man

        The Church people, the Church.

      • Eskimo man

        The Church people, the Church.

    • Eskimo man

      The Bible alone is not the only word of God. Who gave us the canon of the Bible? 1 Timothy 3:15.

      • Neiman

        If is its not the only Word of God, then the Bible is a lie!

        • Eskimo man

          The Bible does not state anywhere that it contains the only words of God. In fact the Bible states that the Church is the pillar and ground of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15.
          There
          was no Christian Bible until the late 4th Century, when Pope Damasus I put the
          Canon together, which was ratified at the Councils of Rome, Hippo, and
          Carthage. Therefore, it would have been impossible for the first
          Christians to have used “Sola Scriptura”, or the Bible Alone as a
          guide to salvation. It wasn’t until the 16th Century that this doctrine was
          invented by Martin Luther. God Bless.

          • Neiman

            1. You cannot construct a doctrine out of silence.
            2. The Christian Scriptures, as declared by Peter of Paul’s teachings, were contained in the many letters from the apostolic eyewitnesses to the life, death and resurrection of Christ and they all agreed perfectly with every prophetic utterance of the Old Testament Scriptures. So there was a Bible long before the canon was adopted and sola scriptura is a divine Truth.
            3. If there are any further revelations from God, then He is not perfect, He did not reveal to His Church all that was needed for salvation, life and eternity and therefore, not being complete and perfect, God cannot possibly exist; as by definition He would have to be perfect and omniscient and any hint of a lack of perfection would deny His very existence.

          • Eskimo man

            There was not a Bible before the canon, there were scriptures yes, but they weren’t put together until the late 4th century. Why do Jews only have the Torah, which is just the first five books of the Old Testament? God did, and still does reveal to His Church all that is needed for salvation. If you can believe that the Holy Spirit wrote the Bible, why can’t you believe that the Holy Spirit is in control of the Church? God Bless.

          • Neiman

            A frequent objection to the concept of sola scriptura
            is the fact that the canon of the Bible was not officially agreed upon
            for at least 250 years after the church was founded. Further, the
            Scriptures were not available to the masses for over 1500 years after
            the church was founded. How, then, were early Christians to use sola scriptura,
            when they did not even have the full Scriptures? And how were
            Christians who lived before the invention of the printing press supposed
            to base their faith and practice on Scripture alone if there was no way
            for them to have a complete copy of the Scriptures? This issue is
            further compounded by the very high rates of illiteracy throughout
            history. How does the concept of sola scriptura handle these issues?

            The problem with this argument is that it essentially says that
            Scripture’s authority is based on its availability. This is not the
            case. Scripture’s authority is universal; because it is God’s Word, it
            is His authority. The fact that Scripture was not readily available, or
            that people could not read it, does not change the fact that Scripture
            is God’s Word [inerrant, perfect and complete].

            Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/sola-scriptura.html#ixzz3DzfeeLj3

            If there are still further revelations, can they contradict what we find in the Old Testament or the writings of the Apostles? If there are new revelations, how can we know they are authoritative, on what scriptural basis? Where do we find in God’s Word any place for new revelations? If God did not reveal His complete Will and way to all the Church throughout all Christian history, didn’t He allow many to be deceived by His silence and led astray from the Truth? Doesn’t that silence make Him a Deceiver and a devil?

            Sure the Spirit of Christ is in control of the Body of Christ, the Church; but if any revelation contradicts what we already have in Scripture, then it cannot be the Spirit of Christ. There is only one way unto salvation, it has already been fully revealed: Grace alone, by faith alone, in Christ alone and there can be no other way to salvation, no other formula and no other Savior but Jesus of the Bible, the Living Word of God.

          • Eskimo man

            You cannot have the Bible without the Church, or the Church with out the Bible. You twist everything around to suit your protestant anti Catholic false hoods. Why don’t you go to the Church to ask questions, instead of going to anti Catholic, anti Christ internet sites? You do not believe in Christ alone, as you do not believe a word He says about the authority He gives His Church, His Body and Blood, who He gave the keys to the Kingdom of Heaven to, etc. The reformation was conducted by the devil, and not Jesus. Research the Masonic links to Protestantism. God Bless.

          • Neiman

            You are so terribly confused and lost in your false RCC that we cannot hope for any harmony.

            You need to question what you believe. I cannot help you, you have by your ignorance of Scripture added the works of the flesh and your man-made religion to the perfect work of Christ, you are adding works to grace and holding Jesus up to shame.

            While individual members of the Catholic Church that have come to salvation by Grace alone, by faith alone, in Christ alone are members of the Body of Christ, the RCC is without any doubt a false Christian Church. Do you now your falsely called vicar of Christ says good atheists can be saved because they are good? Did you know that is anti-Christ?

          • tammy

            The Catholic church destroyed many parts of the gospel and perverted much. The KJV is the closest to the originals. The Bible is made up of separate books, the set up was not by date or importance, but by men. There are many more books out there and hidden at the Vatican that do not follow their agenda.

      • ort

        Apostasy and lies.

    • Eskimo man

      The Bible alone is not the only word of God. Who gave us the canon of the Bible? 1 Timothy 3:15.

  • Bryan J. Maloney

    Is he barred from the USA because of his views or merely deported as a vagrant?

  • Bill731

    Do these New Age false christs bear the marks of Calvary, the nail prints in the hands and the wound in the side? If not then be sure that they are imposters. The REAL Jesus still bears them. If anyone ever tells you that they are Jesus Christ then demand to see the scars. When Jesus comes again it will be in power and great glory. Everyone will see Him and there will be no doubt who He is.

    • tammy

      There have been people with the stigmata just as Jesus was wounded. They were false. You will know Jesus, do not fall for the counterfeit Prophets or Jesus’s There are already those claiming to be Jesus. He will come back with fanfare.

  • ort

    These deluded creatures are the product of not knowing the Word of God, and not being truly born again. “My sheep know My voice”. These crackpots are not Jesus. I know His voice because I am His—bought and paid for by His Precious Blood.

    • Eskimo man

      Really.

      • hangman

        Really!

        • Eskimo man

          False Churches are no different than false Christs. Jesus started only one Church, and that Church is the pillar and ground of the truth. 1 Timothy 3:15. There is only one Church that has been around since the time of Christ. The Acts of the Apostles shows us what the early Church did, and even mentions its first council meeting. I would suggest that anyone who claims that they are saved is a deluded creature. God Bless.

          • ort

            “If you confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, YOU SHALL BE SAVED.” Romans 10:9.
            Children understand this. Why can’t you?

          • Pax Humana

            You should know all about false churches as you are a member of one yourself.

          • Eskimo man

            Your Church is of the occult foolish one.
            ROSICRUCIANS AND FREEMASONS
            THE HOUSE OF STUART
            The Habsburg realm became internally divided when the German princes of the Empire had largely supported the Protestant movement against the Catholic Church, which was ostensibly defended by the Habsburg rulers. The rising tide of the Protestant movement came to a head in Bohemia, where the Kabbalistic underground surfaced in the manner of the Order of the Rosicrucians, otherwise known as the Order of the Rosy Cross. The ultimate aim of the Order was that of abolishing the Church, and replacing it with a government of “wise” rulers. As explained by occult historian Laurence Gardner: It was by no chance that Martin Luther’s protest gained support in some very influential circles, for Rome had many enemies in high places. Not the least of these enemies were the Knights Templars, and the underground Hermetic societies whose esoteric crafts had been condemned by the Catholic Inquisition. The truth was not so much that Luther gained the support of others, but that he was the willing instrument of an already active movement which endeavoured to dismantle the rigid international domination of the Pope. As we now know, some of the chief architects of the Reformation – Martin Luther, Philip Melanchthon, Johannes Reuchlin, Jan Amos Kozmensky – belonged to occult societies.
            Malachi Martin: – The Keys of this Blood.

          • Pax Humana

            Yes, more historical revisionism from a racist troll and dim bulb Aussie that has fried their fucking brain cells on marijuana and by being in the desert…do you care to spout out more historically disproved bullshit?

          • Eskimo man

            Aussies eat yanks for breakfast. Can’t fight wars that you start without us. Ha Ha Ha LOSERS

      • ort

        So now you are Omnipotent God, that YOU can declare whether I’m saved or not? Typical romanist.

        • Eskimo man

          Typical Adventist.
          Adventist Propaganda
          White claimed to receive the first of several hundred visions in December of 1844. She gained recognition in Adventist circles as a prophetess and became the church’s leader. Over the next few decades, she provided guidance on almost every.aspect of belief and worship, writing over fifty books commenting on health, education, finance, and other topics. Her works are held by her followers to be inerrant on matters of doctrine, as is the Bible, though they are on a slightly lower plane of honor than the Bible.
          Her most important books, especially The Desire of the Ages and The Great Controversy, are frequently reprinted by Seventh-day Adventist publishing houses in a variety of formats. They often appear with different covers and titles. For example, The Great Controversy is often marketed as America in Prophecy. They are printed whole or in excerpted form. Sometimes Ellen Gould White’s name appears on the cover, sometimes a less well-known form of her name appears (e.g., E. G. White), and sometimes her name does not appear on the outside of the book at all.
          This allows Adventists to put White’s works in the hands of non-Adventists without alerting them that they are reading an Adventist publication until they are well into the work.
          Adventist publishing houses also keep the terms “Seventh-day” and “Adventist” out of their names. Typical Adventist and Adventist-related publishing houses have names including Inspiration Books, Amazing Truth Publications, Review & Herald Publishing Association, and Pilgrims’ Press.
          This is because Adventists have always been regarded suspiciously by Evangelicals and have often been viewed as a fanatical cult (as have some of their offshoots, such as the Branch Davidians). Many Evangelical leaders even have asserted—incorrectly—that Adventists are not Christians, even though they believe in Christ’s divinity and use a valid Trinitarian form of baptism.
          Often Adventist-related publishing houses conduct mass mailings of their literature to every home and post office box in a community. This has been done regularly with Amazing Truth Publications’ anti-Catholic volume, National Sunday Law.

          • ort

            Again, too much rhetoric.
            I am not an SDA. Never have been. I am a non denominational born again saved believer. Period.

          • ort

            Again, I’m not SDA. You are unhinged and going off on tangents, romanist.

          • Pax Humana

            Both Seventh Day Adventism AND Roman Catholicism are wrong, period, full stop!

          • Eskimo man

            You must really think highly of yourself to make these claims, without any evidence or back up. Loser !!

          • Pax Humana

            Yes, you are one, thank you very much. Please do enlighten us with some more useless and lying ass bullshit, you servant of Lucifer. However, should that not be your style, any number of dark alleys in a big city and a confrontation in which only one of us walks out alive (hint, it will NOT be you) could be an option should you want to pursue myself and end my life.

          • Eskimo man

            You are a fucking wanker.

  • edward emmell

    The nuts really are out there. I can’t believe people are dumb enough to follow or believe these people. I am suprised the human raise has made it so far at times with people out there like this. I am a Christian but if I was not these cooks I would still stay clear of. The Bible is clear that these fruit cakes claiming to be Jesus would be increasing as we get closer to Christ return and God is so right.

    • Eskimo man

      What about the silly protestants claiming to be the Church of Christ. Same difference.

      • ort

        The original church was made up of Jewish men and women. It was called The Way. Read the Book of Acts. The RCC as we know it didn’t come about until 300 A.D. when Constantine made “Christianity” the official religion. It had just enough Truth mixed in with the pagan nonsense to keep the Roman citizens happy.

        • Eskimo man

          The original Church was the Apostles, and Jesus founded His Church on the rock of Peter. You should read the Book of Acts knowing that it is the beginning of the Catholic Church. They decided to name the Church Catholic, (which means universal) at the end of the 4th century, around the same time the Catholic Church ratified the canon of the Bible. Constantine
          the Great’s 321 AD Edict was all about making Sunday a day of rest and nothing more, as the Apostles were already having Holy Mass on Sundays, which is verified in the Bible. Just
          so you know, Constantine was a pagan but he did change, he delayed baptism till
          near the end of his life in 337. Up until the fall of the Roman Empire in 476 AD, Rome was the enemy of the Church. The Romans were pagan and not the Church, the Church has always been the Bride of Christ. You should research this stuff through the Church, and not protestant rubbish, which is full of falsehoods and lies. God Bless.

          • ort

            God founded the church upon Jesus, The Rock. Not Paul, a stone. A human, fallible man is not The Rock. God is.
            You are a victim of the pagan Babylonian Mystery religion that is responsible for the torture and murders of untold numbers of people.
            Sola fide, sola gracia, sola scriptura.
            Anything else is works based, false religion. RCC rubbish. God bless.

          • Eskimo man

            Jesus is God, and Jesus is the Chief cornerstone that the builders (Jews) rejected. Peter is the rock that Jesus built His Church on.
            Matthew 16: [17]And Jesus answering, said to him: Blessed art thou, Simon Bar-Jona: because flesh and blood hath not revealed it to thee, but my Father who is in heaven. [18] And I say to thee: That thou art Peter; and upon this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it. [19] And I will give to thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven. And whatsoever thou shalt bind upon earth, it shall be bound also in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose upon earth, it shall be loosed also in heaven.
            You are a victim of the Synagogue of satan, which is anti Catholic, and anti Christ. All you poor followers of the devil can produce against the Church is rubbish, and your souls are in danger unless you can break away from it. You sound like SDA, which was started by the Freemasons to oppose the true Church. Don’t God Bless me, your God is the devil.

          • ort

            I wasn’t blessing you. I was being as sarcastic as you were when you said “God bless you” at the end of your post.

            Your religion is so works based, so pagan soaked, so works oriented it’s amazing that anyone of you who adheres to this Babylonian mystery religion could ever be saved.

            Keep sacrificing Jesus over and over in the communion, eating flesh and drinking blood like a cannibal. Keep sacrificing the One who who was sacrificed “once for sins”. Just keep ignoring that. Keep your priests, even though the office of priest was abolished when The Lord became the ultimate and only sacrifice for sins. Keep your unscriptural pope on a gold throne, pompously appropriating God’s title of “Holy Father”.

            How you could call a sinful, fallible man by God’s title is beyond heretical and blasphemous.
            Elevate your Mary/Semiramis to deity hood, by daring to call her “co-redemptrix”. Blasphemy, all of it.
            Catholicism and islam will be the one world religion, as muslims revere Mary as much as you do.

          • Eskimo man

            So you admit your evil intentions. My religion is the true religion of Jesus, and history proves that. The Church does not sacrifice Jesus over and over, it is the one sacrifice. If you knew any truth, you would know that.
            Adventist Anti-Catholicism
            As is clear from some of the beliefs listed above, Adventist theology is intensely anti-Catholic. Many Catholics who do not frequently come in contact with Adventists or their literature do not realize just how hostile they can be toward the Church.
            Trying to give others the benefit of the doubt, Catholics may suppose that anti-Catholicism is part of Adventism’s radical fringe. Unfortunately, this is untrue. Adventists who are moderate on Catholicism are a minority. Anti-Catholicism characterizes the denomination because it is embraced in White’s “divinely inspired” writings. A few illustrations help indicate the scope of the problem:
            “Babylon the Great, the mother of harlots . . . is further declared to be ‘that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.’ Revelation 17:4–6, 18. The power that for so many centuries maintained despotic sway over the monarchs of Christendom is Rome. The purple and scarlet color, the gold and precious stones and pearls, vividly picture the magnificence and more than kingly pomp affected by the haughty see of Rome” (The Great Controversy, 338).
            “It is one of the leading doctrines of Romanism that the pope is the visible head of the universal Church of Christ . . . and has been declared infallible. He demands the homage of all men. The same claim urged by Satan in the wilderness of temptation is still urged by him [Satan] through the Church of Rome, and vast numbers are ready to yield him homage” (ibid., 48).
            “Marvelous in her shrewdness and cunning is the Roman Church. She can read what is to be. She bides her time, seeing that the Protestant churches are paying her homage in their acceptance of the false Sabbath. . . . And let it be remembered, it is the boast of Rome that she never changes. The principles of Gregory VII and Innocent III are still the principles of the Roman Catholic Church. And has she but the power, she would put them in practice with as much vigor now as in past centuries. . . . Rome is aiming to reestablish her power, to recover her lost supremacy” (ibid., 507–8).
            “God’s word has given warning of the impending danger; let this be unheeded, and the Protestant world will learn what the purposes of Rome really are, only when it is too late to escape the snare. She is silently growing into power. Her doctrines are exerting their influence in legislative halls, in the churches, and in the hearts of men. She is piling up her lofty and massive structures, in the secret recesses of which her former persecutions will be1 repeated. Stealthily and unsuspectedly she is strengthening her forces to further her own ends when the time shall come for her to strike. All that she desires is vantage ground, and this is already being given her. We shall soon see and shall feel what the purpose of the Roman element is. Whoever believe and obey the word of God will thereby incur reproach and persecution” ( ibid., 508–9).
            Strong stuff! Unfortunately, most Adventists believe this. Bear in mind that these quotes are not taken from an obscure work of White’s that nobody ever reads. They are from what is probably her single most popular volume, The Great Controversy.

          • ort

            Too much nonsense to bother to read. Keep your hypocrisy and pagan Babylonian cult religion. Have a day.

          • Eskimo man

            “Roosevelt as he looked at the colored reproduction of the Seal was first struck with the
            representation of the All-Seeing Eye,’ a Masonic representation of Great Architect the Universe.
            Next he was impressed with the idea that the foundation for the new order of the ages had been laid
            in 1776 (May 1st, 1776, founding of the Illuminati) but would be completed only under the eye of
            the Great Architect. Roosevelt like myself was a 32nd degree Mason. He suggested that the Seal
            be put on the dollar bill rather that a coin.”
            Ellen G. White: “The great Architect has formed and fashioned the scenes of nature that they may
            have an important bearing upon man’s intellectual and moral character. These are to be God’s
            school to educate the mind and morals. Here the mind may have a vast field for study in the display
            of the majestic works of the Infinite One. The rocks are among the precious things of earth,
            containing treasures of wisdom and laiow ledge. In the rocks and mountains are registered the fact
            that God did destroy the wicked from off the earth by a flood.

          • ort

            What are you rambling on about??

          • ort

            You just made my point. There was no R.C.C. until over 300 years later. It is a false church rife with paganism and a works based salvation. It is unscriptural, and has led as many people to hell as islam and buddhism.

          • Eskimo man

            You are unscriptural, and all you speak is evil. We know who you are with, grow a brain.

          • ort

            As usual, you are too busy building straw men to answer. Repent and be saved, romanist.

    • Eskimo man

      What about the silly protestants claiming to be the Church of Christ. Same difference.

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  • IowaDoctor

    In chapter 24 of Matthew, we read, “Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there;believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect” (verses 23 and 24)! If the “very elect” could be deceived, we need to be careful! He will come again, and in verse 30 of that same chapter, we learn how “all the tribes of the earth…shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” We should watch and pray, seek to live right, diligently study His words, and take the Holy Spirit as our guide.

  • IowaDoctor

    In chapter 24 of Matthew, we read, “Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there;believe it not. For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect” (verses 23 and 24)! If the “very elect” could be deceived, we need to be careful! He will come again, and in verse 30 of that same chapter, we learn how “all the tribes of the earth…shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.” We should watch and pray, seek to live right, diligently study His words, and take the Holy Spirit as our guide.

  • Carel Brits

    It is so ridiculous, but I suppose if you do not know the word of God the bible then you will most properly follow anything or anyone

  • Carel Brits

    It is so ridiculous, but I suppose if you do not know the word of God the bible then you will most properly follow anything or anyone

  • Kirry

    So many of you put so much emphasis on the scripture, which in and of itself is noble. You can study the scriptures all you want but it is faith, and living that faith, that will save you. The holy Spirit does not give us all the gift of right interpretation of the bible. (That’s why we have so many Christian denominations today…whose right when so many contradict one another?) Unless you know biblical Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew, and also have a good understanding if the Jewish culture at the time of Jesus…you cannot fully understand scripture. What does that mean for the faithful poor and those in third world countries who do not have access to this kind of knowledge? What of those who cannot read? Are they doomed to hell because of a lack of familiarity with the scriptures even if their faith is strong and they are humble in their ignorance? That would be socioeconomic discrimination by the Lord would it not? Therefore, while it is important to study scripture (for ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ) under the best scripture scholars if you have the opportunity, it is not essential for salvation or recognizing false “christs”. What is essential is strong faith, living it out (works) and a discerning heart. Those who are the humblest and seemingly the weakest will be the ones to inherit eternal life. So many of you claim to know all the answers because you “know the bible so well” while ignoring Christ’s call to eat his flesh and drink his blood lest you not have His life within you. Please update yourselves by reading John Ch. 6 and pray about what the Lord is asking us to do, whether or not he means what he says, if you are fulfilling his command and where you can go to partake of his command. Jesus was not speaking symbolically hear or he wouldn’t have let so many disciples walk away. “To whom shall we go Lord, You have the words of eternal life”. I pray for the salvation of all for that is God’s will.

  • Kirry

    So many of you put so much emphasis on the scripture, which in and of itself is noble. You can study the scriptures all you want but it is faith, and living that faith, that will save you. The holy Spirit does not give us all the gift of right interpretation of the bible. (That’s why we have so many Christian denominations today…whose right when so many contradict one another?) Unless you know biblical Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew, and also have a good understanding if the Jewish culture at the time of Jesus…you cannot fully understand scripture. What does that mean for the faithful poor and those in third world countries who do not have access to this kind of knowledge? What of those who cannot read? Are they doomed to hell because of a lack of familiarity with the scriptures even if their faith is strong and they are humble in their ignorance? That would be socioeconomic discrimination by the Lord would it not? Therefore, while it is important to study scripture (for ignorance of scripture is ignorance of Christ) under the best scripture scholars if you have the opportunity, it is not essential for salvation or recognizing false “christs”. What is essential is strong faith, living it out (works) and a discerning heart. Those who are the humblest and seemingly the weakest will be the ones to inherit eternal life. So many of you claim to know all the answers because you “know the bible so well” while ignoring Christ’s call to eat his flesh and drink his blood lest you not have His life within you. Please update yourselves by reading John Ch. 6 and pray about what the Lord is asking us to do, whether or not he means what he says, if you are fulfilling his command and where you can go to partake of his command. Jesus was not speaking symbolically hear or he wouldn’t have let so many disciples walk away. “To whom shall we go Lord, You have the words of eternal life”. I pray for the salvation of all for that is God’s will.

  • gio

    Bet you these Jokes wont die for you…they do it for the cash

  • disqus_I58Pdk3mEf

    Silly question, but what are the next chain of events that are meant to happen before the actual second coming of christ to happen?

    • ort

      We are already seeing increases in earthquakes and other natural disasters, diseases, wars, etc. Jesus said these were the birth pangs, and that it will get much, much worse.
      He said when you see all these things, “look up, for your Redemption draws near.” The rapture of the church is the next thing.

      The world is so messed up, it calls for a leader who can make it right. The Man of Sin appears, the anti Christ, the Son of Perdition. He speaks soft words, like a lamb, but he is indwelt with satan the dragon.
      He allows the Jews to rebuild their temple, then 3 1/2 years later he enters into the Holy of Holies and declares himself to be God. He then slaughters every Jew he can catch, while some escape to safety. A lot of scholars think that the city of Petra, in Jordan, is the place. God Himself will keep them safe.

      3 1/2 years after the anti Christ enters the temple, The Lord returns.

      This isn’t a full explanation, but it will do. If you desire to do so, read up on it. Dr. Hilton Sutton, or Dr. Ed Hindson are excellent teachers.

      • Pax Humana

        ort, are you on Facebook as well, sir? Please let me know your name and then send an invite to me, okay? Thank you.

        • ort

          Hi Pax, no unfortunately I am not. I was thinking of doing so, but am still on the fence. I don’t know if I should.

          Your sister in Christ,
          Ort.

      • Joshua Belanger

        I have to disagree with you on the rapture of the church coming before the tribulation period. Referencing when the disciples asked Jesus what the signs of his return would be, yes he said that there would we wars and rumors of wars, pestilences, plagues, and famines, and the false messiahs that would come. Then he continues thusly in verse 29 of Matthew Chapter 4;
        “Immediately after the
        tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall
        not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers
        of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear
        the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of
        the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds
        of heaven with power and great glory.”

        So it talks about the sun being turned black or darkened. In Revelation Chapter 6:12-17 talks about this too. To wit:
        “And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; and the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind. And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places. And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: for the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand?”

        Next we turn to the letters Paul wrote to the Thessalonians. Particularly the first letter, chapter four, starting in verse 13:
        “But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For
        the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice
        of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ
        shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words.”
        We go on in Revelation through all the trumpets, and then in chapter 12, it changes. But this appears to be because John gets taken back in time, and he is recording figurative imagery that ends up paralleling the Seal and Trumpet judgment passages. Right up until the Devil is cast out of heaven so that he no longer has access to accuse the brethren before the courts of the law, and we get Revelation 13:12 “Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.”

        It is after this point that, in chapter 14, we see the bowl or vial judgments begin. The Devil has come down in wrath and made tribulation for the saints, they have been caught away, and now God is pouring out wrath upon the Earth, Chapter 13 basically describes from Mary giving birth up to the tribulation right up until the wrath period.

        You see, Jesus told us that we would experience tribulation in the world. Tribulation is what the world gives the Saints. Wrath is what Satan has for being cast out of the courts of heaven and what God will pour out on the world after Jesus descends and resurrects those who died before then while catching up the rest in the air to join them.

        Then will come the Lamb’s judgment seat, where our works as followers of Messiah are judged, the millenium without the need to contend the with Lucifer and his demons where some will still choose to turn away, thus demonstrating that the evil in the world is not only from the Enemy but in the hearts of mankind, then the Enemy is released once more for a time to deceive the nations, and there will be a final confrontation where the devil and all who follow him will be destroyed, and then the heavens and the Earth will pass away in fire and thunder and there will be a new heavens and a new Earth.

        In any case, based on the passages I’ve cited plus other parallel passages, and the fact that NOTHING in Revelation 4 actually talks about the church being caught away, only that John was caught up to heaven in the spirit, I conclude that the tribulation/great tribulation divide with a pre-tribulation rapture is in fact an artifact of modern dispensationalist theology, particularly that which was invented by a Mr. John Nelson Darby in approximately 1830. It’s a pretty picture, that says we who are faithful get to leave before things get really bad, but it’s only wishful thinking. What we really end up with is a tribulation period ended by the very visible obvious rapture, followed by wrath, then the first judgment, then the earthly reign. This is finally followed by the last time when the devil gets to deceive, the final war, the great white throne judgement, and finally the heavens and earth being destroyed and replaced.

        • ort

          If I hear the name John Nelson Darby one more time, I’ll scream. The Rapture was specifically revealed to Paul. He taught about it in Thessalonians.

          In the Rapture, we meet the Lord in the air. In the Second Coming His foot touches the Mount of Olives and it splits in two. These are two SEPARATE events.

          Jesus said we would have “tribulation”, not that we would go through THE Tribulation. Revelation 3:10 supports that. You also should know that in Matthew, Jesus talks about the Jewish people and what will happen. Since when do christians care if our “flight is on the sabbath”? Jews weren’t allowed to walk more than a mile or so on the sabbath.
          The Church is under no such restriction.

          Jack Kelly teaches that those on the thrones are seated, stating their work is finished, and that they are on thrones (which Angels are never seated on), they are wearing crowns (in Greek “stephanos” which is the victors crown), and they are wearing white clothing which is righteousness of the saints.
          After Revelation 4, the church is mentioned no more on earth.

          The Tribulation is The Time of Jacob’s (Israel’s) Trouble. The Church is gone and God deals with rebellious Israel.

          We will never agree, but that is ok. As long as we are born again saved believers, we will go in the Rapture regardless if there are those that don’t believe it.

          It isn’t something I wish to fight over. It’s just not worth it. Peace be unto you.

          • Joshua Belanger

            I know the rapture was revealed to Paul. I just don’t believe it comes when you think it does.The idea has been popularized by movies, but really, when you look at it, it’s a horror movie plot. Vanishings by the millions. What happened? Only a few people who could have vanished too know, and they’re only here because they failed to believe what they should have.

            I believe the Rapture happens after the sun becomes black as sackcloth and the moon turns blood red. I believe it is going to be an event that directly precedes Jesus setting foot on the Mount of Olives and there will be none of the “What happened to everyone” stuff going on because everyone will instead know exactly what’s going on and they will be terrified because they should have believed but they didn’t.

            Alechim Shalom

          • Joshua Belanger

            I never said that the Rapture would not happen. I said that I believe it doesn’t come when most think it does. There is no biblical reason to believe that the church is caught away before the “time of Jacob’s trouble.” But the evidence that it will come during that time is manifold. Revelation 3:10 says nothing on its own. It is a single verse in a letter to one of the seven churches, Philadelphia, which you are clearly taking out of context. In context, it says nothing about being caught away, but rather states that the faithful church will be kept from temptation. Sounds more to me like they will be able to recognize the Antichrist and not be tempted by his lying words. This scripture, combined with what Jesus, John, and Paul have to say about those days indicate to me that the Church is very much going to see the Tribulation, be raptured, and then the world will be subject to Wrath.

    • ort

      We are already seeing increases in earthquakes and other natural disasters, diseases, wars, etc. Jesus said these were the birth pangs, and that it will get much, much worse.
      He said when you see all these things, “look up, for your Redemption draws near.” The rapture of the church is the next thing.

      The world is so messed up, it calls for a leader who can make it right. The Man of Sin appears, the anti Christ, the Son of Perdition. He speaks soft words, like a lamb, but he is indwelt with satan the dragon.
      He allows the Jews to rebuild their temple, then 3 1/2 years later he enters into the Holy of Holies and declares himself to be God. He then slaughters every Jew he can catch, while some escape to safety. A lot of scholars think that the city of Petra, in Jordan, is the place. God Himself will keep them safe.

      3 1/2 years after the anti Christ enters the temple, The Lord returns.

      This isn’t a full explanation, but it will do. If you desire to do so, read up on it. Dr. Hilton Sutton, or Dr. Ed Hindson are excellent teachers.

  • raptor45

    Another way of looking at Jesus’ admonition regarding those who would come and say “I am the Christ” would be to consider that Jesus may have meant that many would come in His name and admit, correctly, that Jesus is the Messiah, but that their teachings about Him would be gross misinterpretations of His word and as such would mislead people about what Jesus really meant in His own discourses. He may not have been talking about the cult leaders and charlatans who claim to be Jesus, at all.

    A case in point are guys like Joel Osteen, W. V. Grant, Robert Tilton, Oral Roberts, Benny Hinn, the late Gene Scott and his ex-stripper wife Melissa Scott and Kenneth Copeland whose messages and Biblical teachings are a subtle blend of scripture, nuance and outright lies. Guys and gals like these, as well as others that I didn’t bother to name. are the “teachers” that mislead “many” and they are far more deceitful than some robe wearing loony who is the head of a minor cult.

  • tribsoon7

    And yet another sign we are living in the end times. We are literally saturated with major signs that the Great Tribulation is at the door.

  • hangman

    I wonder if I can hire these guys to sell Vinyl Siding….Business as been rather slow lately……

  • tobesograteful

    Pure blasphemy–nothing to see here.

  • Andrea

    Check out a book entitled “The Jews and Their Lies” written by Martin Lutheran in 1453.
    You can google chapters of the book. His ideology towards the Jews will shock you.
    And he is the great mind behind the so called reformation.

  • Mr Dave

    What are they all going to do if he dies of a heart attack, has a stroke, develops cancer, or just dies of natural causes?

  • edward emmell

    I am not a protestant I am a born again believer in Christ. Anyone can be a Christian if they have accepted Jesus Christ into there heart as Lord and Savior and believe that He is the Son of God. We must confess that we are sinners with our mouth and believe that Christ died on the cross for our sins then we are saved. If you are a Methodist, Baptist, catholic, what ever you are saved with nothing else added. Buddhists, Hindus’, Mormons, of course atheist, agnostics, or any religion that does not teach that Jesus Christ is God and that the only way to be saved is through Christ Jesus is a occult, false religion. These people claiming to be Jesus are antichrist. They are of Satan.

    • Neiman

      Salvation is by Grace alone, by faith alone, in Christ alone. If one thus believes and are truly converted, being born again by His Spirit, they are members of the Body of Christ, saved and secure in Christ forevermore. If they add any works of the flesh, any doctrines, any rituals anything to Grace, they are not saved on that basis. True believers are scattered throughout the many Christian sects and denominations.

      • edward emmell

        well put! Amen

  • With Fortitude

    These 3 have been in the news and have already been laughed at. Nothing new CN

  • Sha-wei

    Dear Church: False Christs aside, don’t you notice something odd about the most vehement detractors of whatever evangelicals hold to be true on these fora/ums? They are invariably:
    1. very articulate, precise in speech and the mechanics thereof;
    2. apparently in personal possession of a vast reservoir of relevant knowledge;
    3. dogmatic, stating their OPINIONS categorically, yet
    4. quick to produce any number of published sources to reinforce(?) their viewpoints;
    5. seemingly objective, but given to straw man arguments quite glibly;
    7. given to refuting others’ opinions by sheer force of tone and wording;
    6. doggedly persistent beyond what is expected of a casual commenter;
    7. usually commence their chain of comments with a snide or provocative remark;
    8. covering the gamut of opposing positions to evangelical beliefs;
    9. AND usually counting with a “foil” in the form of an apparently less-capable commenter whom they assail since the other many times argues for the opposing viewpoint.

    I may have missed something (and I am oversimplifying, I know) but I have been observing the m.o. of these commentators for some time now and have concluded the following:

    1. there are 1-3 per forum;
    2. they constitute teams formed specifically for opposing Christians online, on the latter’s websites;
    3. they consist of fairly well-educated individuals, including some in jurisprudence, who also subscribe to the homosexual/atheist agendas;
    4. they make use of several online personas/identities, complete with spurious profiles that usually exceed in academic background, funds of knowledge and real debating skills, those of evangelical commentators, except for the foils, in most cases;
    5. their arguments, product of a team-effort, usually render the Christians hard-pressed to respond to, since, while the main persona is commenting
    6. the other(s) are busy researching points, supplying additional information/retorts and distracting or leading the discussion wheresoever by means of the foils;
    7. they represent any and all positions inimical to fundamentalist Christian beliefs.

    The purpose for this (likely taken from such rule-books as “The Art of War”, “Mein Kampf”, the “Thirty-Six Stratagems from the Book of Qi”, etc.) is to sow confusion among us (“the enemy”) and the seeds of doubt and second-guessing, put us on the defensive and thus, vulnerable to advancing ill-thought-out arguments and visceral reactions, and just generally make us look bad (ignorant, prejudiced, deluded) in our own eyes and in those of casual readers (who might have become sympathetic to our Bible-based positions). “Eskimo man” down below encapsulates all this most aptly, his/her/their comments being the immediate reason for this post. On those, I will expound at greater length soon.

    • Sha-wei

      As I said before, “Eskimo man”, is a fitting exemplar of the profile of
      devious individuals bent on injecting doubt and discord among believers
      on their Christian websites, and to help sway the opinions of potential
      believers and other readers away from evangelical positions on the
      inerrancy and completeness of Scripture, the existence of a personal
      God, the exact thrust of Christ’s message, et al. For, if you can shake
      the foundations of the faith just enough, you may well see all its
      accoutrements (censure of homosexuality, abortion, secularism, etc.)
      fall of their own accord, one by one, in the public mind.

      But this is best achieved, on these Christian sites, not through direct
      challenge to the these “truths held fast” (though that is done, too),
      but by means of a sly, subtle strategy of infiltration by poseurs of the
      ranks of believers, these impostors affecting great piety or slight
      shifts of attitude away from orthodox interpretations and towards
      liberal, humanistic or fanciful ones. But the object remains the same:
      trip up unwary evangelicals, tie them up in conceptual or exegetical
      knots, leave them flailing for apropos rejoinders to the bombardment of
      secular or “biblical” refutations of what they have hitherto taken for
      granted.

      However, these interlopers suffer lapses of their own from time to time,
      from haste or lack of coordination amongst themselves, or simply from
      smug overconfidence. “Eskimo man” fumbled as follows:

      “You will know them by their fruits, or lack of them.” (Oft-repeated) Indeed? Space, however, does not now permit a detailed listing of all the evils the R.C. Church (the harlot of Rev. 17) has visited on humanity: the crusades and attending massacres of Jews and Orthodox believers; the horrors of the Inquisition (an office not yet abolished); “Bloody Mary’s” burning of nearly 300 Protestants, the “good” Popes, the bad Popes, the priestly profiteering, the priestly pedophilia, ad nauseam. And “Eskimo man” follows suit, with comments such as this one: “Your comment is full of anti Catholic crap, which comes from
      the spirit of the anti Christ. G-d bless.” (Sorry, Lord.) Such a good Catholic, paying scant regard to Jam. 3:10 (“…out of the same mouth…blessing and cursing…”)? By their fruits indeed!

      But more glaringly, “E. m.” laid bare his/her/their flimsy authenticity with the allusions to freemasonry: “The reformation was conducted by the devil, and not Jesus. Research the Masonic links to Protestantism.” (So that fraternity is equated with the devil, as opposed to Jesus?) Moreover: “You sound like SDA, which was started by the Freemasons to oppose the true Church. Don’t God Bless me, your God is the devil.” (Again, the Freemasons, in league with the Adventists, have the Enemy for their god?) Yet, “Eskimo” admits: “Roosevelt like myself was a 32nd degree Mason.” (Oh? Roosevelt’s long dead, but “Eskimo” IS a “Sublime Prince”, perhaps, just one degree shy of the masonic apex? And serving the devil, by personal Freudian slip.)

      More can be written about these “wild waves of the sea”, these “wandering stars”, but it behooves the Body to keep in mind that the ultimate aim of these scoffers is the division of the true Church unto its destruction. Nevertheless, we have the promise of the Master that “the (very) gates of Hades will not prevail against (us)”! Onward, then, and let us continue contending for the faith we hold dear.

      • Pax Humana

        Sha-wei, if you are also on Facebook, please let me know your name on there, okay? I would LOVE to add you as a friend on there as I am HIGHLY impressed with your words on this article. Thank you.

        • Sha-wei

          And I am deeply honoured by your praise, but unfortunately, I no longer maintain a Facebook presence – I always felt like an exhibitionist when I had one. Blessings, all the same, and thank you, too.

          • Pax Humana

            Do you do e-mail then, Sha-wei? I am writing a book series and I could use the help of an editor and an expert on one or more fields in my works, please. Thank you for your response.

  • JON SMITH

    GODS TRUE CHURCH WILL FOLLOW GODS LAW YOU KNOW THE ORIGIONAL 10. KEEPING THE SABBATH DAY HOLY IS PART OF THAT. SABBATH CANT BE ANY DAY IT WAS THE SPECIFIC NAME OF A DAY UNTIL IT WAS CHANGED AND NAMED AFTR THE PAGEN HOMOSEXUAL GOD SATURN HENCE SATURDAY. EVEN IN DEATH JESUS DID NOT WORK ON THE SABBATH. HE DIED ON FRIDAY HE DID NOT COME BACK ON SABBATH BECAUSE THAT WAS WORK IT WASNT BECAUSE HE DID NOT HAVE THE POWER TO DO SO. EVEN IN DEATH HE KEPT THE SABBATH HOLY THEN CAME BACK ON SUNDAY THE MEANINGLESS FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK. THE CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS EVEN MADE THE CLAIM IN THE CATHOLIC PRESS THAT IF YOU KEEP SUNDAY HOLY YOU BOW TO MOTHER CHURCH YOU FOLLOW MOTHER CHURCH NOT GOD

  • JON SMITH

    READ GODS WORD FROM THE OLD TEST. AND COMPARE THAT TO THE BOOKS THEY ALLOW YOU TO READ IN CATHOLIC CHURCH 87% OF THAT EVIL BOOK IS FROM PAGENS. YOU KNOW VICAR OF GOD RIGHT. FALSE IDOLS RIGHT, INGRAVEN IMAGES RIGHT, YOU KNOW GOOD OL CATHOLIC CHUCH THE SAMES ONES PUSHING CHRISTLAM THE SAMES ONES WHO SAY YOU KNOW WHAT ITS OK THE BE GAY AND MARRY THE SAME ONES WHOS CATHOLIC CHURCHES ABORT THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF BABIES EVERY YEAR

  • JON SMITH

    AND BY CATHOLIC CHURCHES I MEAN THE CATHOLIC HOSPITALS

  • ThrowThemAllOut

    I want to see any of them walk on water or raise the dead.

  • Frank J

    By reading all these comments all of you are wrong how to follow Jesus Christ. first you got to ask what is sin. what does the bible say what sin is 1 john 3:4 whosoever Committeth sin transgresseth the law Sin is the transgression of the law. and the wages of sin is death Romans 6:23. when you don’t keep the law of God your sinning. The first four says you love the lord with all your mine strength and soul the last six says love your neighbour as thyself. I keep the law of God because I’m saved the law does not save you the law tells us that if you break it you have sin. your not under the law until you break the law just like your not under the land of the law until you get caught running a red light and so on. Only commandment keeping people will go into the kingdom of God. Revelation 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments that they may have right to the tree of life and may enter in through the gates into the city . you see people. the law of God is the knowledge of sin Romans 3:20. And Romans 2:12-13 For as many as have sinned without law also will perish without law. and as many as have sinned in the law shall be judged by the law. for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified. if someone says I know Jesus Christ as my lord and saviour and does not keep is commandments is a liar. because 1 john 2:3-4 And here by that we do known that we know Him if we keep his commandments. He that said, I known him and keepeth not is commandments,is a lair, and the truth is not in him. 2 john 6 And this is Love that we walk after his commandments this is the commandment ( Sabbath ) that you have heard from the beginning ye should walk in it. The beginning the book of Genesis chapter 2:1,2,3 read it. that’s why God said remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. this day will seperate the wheats and the tears. Because Sunday is a commandment of man In Matthew 15:9 says but in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men. Sunday is the mark of the RCC and the RCC is the beast of the sea in the book of Rev 13:1 And in Daniel 7:23 thus he said the fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom so a beast is a kingdom there are two beast one from the sea and the other from the earth the first beast the RCC the earth Beast is the united states the earth beast (us) will force a Sunday law this is coming soon. when this happens the mark of the beast is here. because Sunday is the mark of the RCC and she is the MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And who are the daughters all of the Sunday churches. If you love me keep my Commandments john 14:15 and Matthew 19:16,17 What good thing shall I do that I may have eternal life, 15) if thou wilt enter into life keep the commandments. Rev 14:9,10,11 tell the ones who will get the mark of the beast . Rev 14;12 here is the patience of the saints here are they that keep the commandments of God. these are the ones will not get the mark of the beast. commandment keeping people. So people if you love the lord the way you say you do remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy. Hebrew 4: 4,8,9 for he spoke in a certain place of the seventh day on this wise and God did rest the seventh day from all is works ( 8 ) for if Jesus had given them rest to the people, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day (9 ) There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. You see people Jesus Christ did not change the seventh day to the first day of the week man did . If God is our lord Jesus Christ follow him. If the pope is your god follow him

  • Frank J

    In the book of Rev 13:18 where it says here is wisdom let him that have understanding count the number of the beast for it is the number of a man and his number is six hundred threescore and six.( 666 ). which means in Latin number system ( VICARIVS FILII DEI ) Which means The Vicar of God. which that mean he think to be Jesus Christ under the Vail of his skin. That how he signs all the documents VICARIVS FILII DEI . The RCC says Sunday is our mark of authority… the church is above the bible and this transference of Sabbath observance is proof of that fact (catholic record of London, Sept 1,1923. We observe Sunday instead Saturday because the Catholic Church in the Council of Laodicea ( A. D. 364 ) transferred the solemnity from Saturday to Sunday. The convert’s Catechism of Catholic Doctrine. page 50, 3rd ed. In Daniel 7:25 says he shall… think to change times and laws. The Catholic Church thinks it can Change Gods Law from Saturday to Sunday Gods time from sunset to sunset to mead night to mead night God calendar from 30 days to 31 days. God says I’m am the lord I change not. Malachi 3:6. In Rev 13:2 The dragon (Satan) gave him (pope) is power, and his seat, and great authority So people the antichrist is the pope. Rev 12:17 And the dragon ( Satan ) was angry with the woman ( Church ) and went to make war with the Remnant of her seed ( Gods Church ) which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. You see… you have to do two things keep the law of God, because that what sin is when you break it 1 john 3:4 read it and Romans 6:23 read it.. Just remember the lord does not touch this earth when he comes so don’t be fool when Satan aluminate is self as Christ when he comes that how your going to tell the difference. Between the almighty and the loser ( Satan ) Just remember that very important . If you want to learn more go to john 14:29.com watch the Video’s , and be prepare for the lord God almighty is coming soon… God bless

  • http://www.biblepicturepathways.com Dallas

    The Bible is clear – The 2nd coming will be “earth shattering” – and every soul on this planet will see Him!

    Rev. 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.

    We are also instructed that we are caught up into the clouds to meet Him!

    1Th. 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ld6BM4FtUbU

  • mzungu

    This why it is so important to read your bible and also read the doctrinal position of your church. It’s one thing to go to a church twice a year and another to realize ‘their’ bible has extra books in it (Morman) or that you are funding the Watchtower Society) jehovah’s Witness krap.
    Slay dragons people!

  • Bret Hines

    I am 56 years old, I’ve never heard nor seen anything supernatural but I am holding on to the declaration of Christ to Thomas.

    Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. (‭John‬ ‭20‬:‭29‬ KJV)

    And there is a manner in which Christ returns and it will not be through reincarnation. Every eye will see him and when he sets his foot upon the mount of olives it will split with a great spring flowing out from the Temple Mount to the Dead Sea. When Jesus comes again it won’t be as a baby, he already did that. Right off the bat he is going to settle the controversy concerning Jerusalem.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/EyrtheFyre Regina Forbes

    On youtube there’s a group called “lie killers” who have said they’ve met god- “REALLY!” and he lives in europe. RED FLAG!! Plus, they have made videos making obvious death threats to other Christian youtubers and yet no matter how many times people flag and write to youtube about Lie Killers violations, the death threat videos are still up and their account has not been closed. One of their videos is aimed at children and has subliminal messages such as “Jesus is santa” (WHAT?!) and “the mark of god”- which is stylized 666. I. KID. YOU. NOT!

  • DisqusBurner1983

    If Christ does return, he’s not going to be some clean-cut American. He will be a dirty brown man in a country you are currently bombing like he was originally. You might have accidentally blown up the return Christ already. Uh oh!

  • Mathews Andrews

    When Prophesies come true
    it only proves the truth that the Bible claims to record, report and reflect.

  • tammy

    After reading all these comments, I don’t think there is one truly Christian on this site. Getting off and getting away. Their hatred is rubbing off on me. I feel the spirit of Satan here.

  • Henry

    Come the Real Lord Jesus Come. Stop this perversion In Jesus Name Amen

  • Mark Barker

    Arguing with a devout catholic, and I honestly can’t believe they still exist, is a waste of time. They will curse you up one side and down the other, and claim all they have top do is confess their sins, and then go right back out and sin more, wash rinse repeat.

  • seldon

    Matthew 24:30
    Then will appear in heaven the sign of the Son of Man, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

  • bicfj

    This is really fertile ground which can be described as “night soil”.

    Mushrooms and other moldy fungi grow in “night soil”.

    “Night soil” is what people used to throw out of their doors at night before sewage systems were “created”. It grew in chamber pots and articles like this one.

    Anyway this “night soil” is fertile because all the religious sects are blooming in it.

    Keep reading the other comments to see their blossoms.

  • Galaxy Cat

    Let us put them to the test then, for only Jesus can conduct Miracles through the Holy Spirit and His Mastery of Faith and Creation! No-one would dare to “Test” Lord Jesus, but for anyone coming in His Name they would need: “Turn water to wine” with all of it’s meanings Spiritual and Earthly, Heal Completely and Immediately with a light Touch, bring sight to the blind, cure Leprosy, RAISE THE DEAD! For only Our Lord CAN DO THAT! Walk on Water and Calm Storms (By Command Alone), Cast out Demons with such Power they plead with him not to be sent back to the pits, and have the Keys to the Kingdom of God (Which are Secret but there are Earthly Keys as well to whom this may be revealed unto the Elders of the Church and to the Elect!) and Master Death and Hell, as well as all the powers of Creation! Lord Jesus can do so much more than these things, but these are what was written that any would need accomplish should they come in His Name, if they be obstinate, if they give excuse, if they turn down, if they disappear, it is obvious that no man can lay claim to the Title of Our Lord Christ Jesus, or to Son of God without doing these things, not as proof, but as demonstration of the Might and Power of God and His Eternal Love for Man!

  • wattles1

    Muzlimbs are a pox on the face of the earth. Scum, liars, idiots.

    • tyler

      I’m no fan of any religion, but look at yourself in the mirror.

  • Wilbert Jennings

    Just another sign of the return of JESUS.

    • tyler

      how would you ever know who the real Jesus is?
      in Jesus’ time, there were dozens of people exactly like him, proclaiming to be the messiah, and all of them were also crucified just like he was.

      • Wilbert Jennings

        You obviously aren’t a Christian or you would know the answer to your question. When the Holy Spirit comes into you there is a different awareness of things. Revelation tells us that when the Lord returns he will be seen around the world at the very same time. There would be signs before his return and one of them is these silly people trying to pass themselves off as Jesus. Rumors of war such as we hear and the Bear (Russia) attacking Israel and that is being done by the weapons Russia provides the Palestinians. Once a human that is a believer dies he is with the Father there is no reincarnation, besides that the Hindus believe you come back as a cow so you can be taken into ones home and crap to bless their home. That my friend is crap. God bless you and I pray you are not left behind, for those that are will experience a true Hell on Earth.

        • tyler

          Your comment was ok until you felt the need to disrespect another religion that you know not a single thing about.
          How would you like it if a Hindu made fun of your religion? I doubt you’d like that. You just want to disrespect and fight your fellow humans over (false) religious beliefs? Hindu’s probably laugh at many christians who spend the majority of their lifetimes hating gays and abortion, when there are far better things you could do with your life.
          Good luck

          • Wilbert Jennings

            There is but one faith and that is the old and new testament. One tells of the beginning and the other of the end. Religions are not about Jesus they are mostly about the denomination that they represent and preach only what the larger church tells them to. A CHRIST TIAN is one that follows the teachings of GOD’S son Jesus. His last name isn’t Christ He was proclaimed the KING by the Romans when they murdered him on the cross accused by ones such as yourself for blasphemy. His crime was taking on the older and large church that was represented by their priest by saying people didn’t need them when one could access GOD on a one on one basis. This meant the priest wouldn’t have a job so they lied about him for job security. Hindu’s make up some kind of deity out of their minds and create a paper mache idole to bow before. None of such idols ever raised the dead , cured diseases, resurrected as the same person and not as a cow or a rat or a monkey. Catholics go to a person that tells them they are forgiven and to pray the rosary .Only God can forgive and no one comes to the FATHER ( not a priest called father) except through Jesus. By the way you as a gay aren’t hated by a person of the way(Christian) you are loved as a brother and as a brother we pray you will address your lifestyle and ask The Holy Spirit to come into your life and lead you to a normal and happy life not filled with hate and lust. The abortion thing is simply women using murder as a birth control after lying in sin outside of marriage and becoming pregnant and aborting the child to hide her lack of self control over her need to satisfy her lust. Now I personally believe Rape and incest is wrong and if the women chose to carry and adopt out the child that’s between her and God as well if in truth a matter of life and death caused her to choose between the baby and her well being that also is between her and GOD. Oh and luck has nothing to do with life. If it were so life would be a big if as the spelling would imply L-(if)-E.

          • tyler

            Wilbert – this might be a difficult concept for you to grasp, but I’m not gay. I fully support the rights of gay people, yet I’m straighter than the pole upon which your mom dances. I’m married with 2 children.

            I understand your point now – you picked the correct religion (born again christian), and all other religions are safe to be mocked and ridiculed, because you’re better than them. I’m no fan of any religion, but your self-righteousness and ignorance is astounding.

            great quote from here, really shows your understanding of other religions:
            “Hindu’s make up some kind of deity out of their minds and create a paper mache idole to bow before”

            best of luck

          • Wilbert Jennings

            Because your momma likes a pole doesn’t mean mine does. NOW how did that sound I made no comments about your momma why did you bring mine into the conversation. My mother is 84 and a strong women of faith and her born again beliefs has been her strength through the words of Jesus the Son Of GOD and when you trump the word of GOD by saying you support the lost that live in sin then you will also join them in Hell. History has proof that sodom was destroyed and history records the lifestyle of Sodom. When the Son of man returns it will be as it was in those times. Look around brother does it appear that we are headed in the right direction to give your children a chance at redemption or as in other super nations fall to the side due to immorality.

          • Wilbert Jennings

            I am aware of every religion and what they stand for and mostly they don’t reflect the truth of God nor his Son. Religions are why we are having this discussion, Christianity isn’t a religion the word and actions of GOD isn’t a religion but the truth from the creator. Man created religion and used it to control the masses for their own gain. Look at Islam and how one has no choice to accept but rather is forced too or die. Rape is accepted because the rapist has no control over himself and blames the victim. Heads are removed from the defenseless because the terrorist can’t stand man to man against an armed defender.. By the way I will pray for you and yours for GOD is not false and what or who ever they are(let us make man in our image) they felt the need to leave basic instructions for us to live by for our own protection. Without moral standards your girls will be whores and your boys abusers for now days we have been told standards are not allowed and parents think they are friends and not parents and mothers party with their daughters and Fathers date their sons girlfriends. I could go on but all you have to do is compare now with time before the hippie movement and it is night and day,

  • Trimelda McDaniels

    If they are not showing false miracles then I think they are probably just mentally ill. Any nut case can say he’s the Lord.

  • Rose A

    Apostasy is one of the signs to watch for…

  • sammy13

    I reckon we are getting very close to the end of times and final judgement. Frightening and wonderful at the same time.

  • Clive Johnson

    Is Alan John Miller really Jesus? You should listen to him before you make up your minds.

  • sheri inman

    Feel sorry for these people. They are being deceived. If only they would read the King James Bible they would know these are false Christs. Jesus will appear in the clouds and all nations will see him someday.

  • dallastexasviewer

    Paul may likely have been a False Christ, to die for the Jewish Nation. commissioned by the Jewish Council.

    LOOK AT ALL THE MIRACLES the 12 Apostles (Matthias – ACTS 1, and the 11) are performing !!

    Soon, everyone will believe in Jesus, and the Roman authorities will take action and tear down our Temple, and our Nation.

    WHAT FOOLS YOU ARE !! DON’T YOU REALIZE? that it is better for one(1) man to die for the sake of the Jewish Nation, than for the whole Jewish Nation to be destroyed?

    So the Jewish Council cast lots, and the lot fell on Saul, and Saul was commissioned by the Council to preach Jesus to the Gentile nations, to divert the attention of the Roman government towards the Gentile nations, and away from the Jewish Nation.

    Thus, Saul became a type of Savior to the Jewish Nation. (a False Christ)

    And Saul/Paul went about this work preaching Jesus to the Gentile nations with as much zeal as he previously had dragging the followers of Jesus from their homes, and throwing them into prison for their faith in Jesus.

    Jesus warned of False Christs coming. And Jesus gave the warning: BEWARE THE YEAST OF THE PHARISEES To understand Jesus’s miracle feeding the 4000 and 5000, we must do some math addition:

    5 loaves of bread + 5[000] fed + 12 baskets collected

    7 loaves of bread + 4[000] fed = 7 baskets collected

    12 + 9 + 19 = 40

    Now we go to ACTS 1:3 to see the fulfillment of Jesus’ 40 Day Prophecy. Jesus (God in the Flesh) appeared to man for 40 days ONLY after his death. He ate and drank with them, and was touched by them. (“Put your finger here”) touch the scars in my hands and side. In ACTS 1:11, the angel of God testifies that Jesus will return “one day” i.e. the Last Day, just as he had now left i.e. rising into the clouds as a flesh and blood man.

    Thus, it can be surmised from all this that Saul/Paul did not see Jesus as a bright light on the road to Damascus. Saul/Paul is a False Christ. Look at all the sufferings he points out about himself.

  • Josey

    Matthew 23:12 And whosoever shall exalt himself shall be abased; and he that shall humble himself shall be exalted.
    This scripture should be kept in mind in all that we say and do, the fallen human nature wants to exalt itself just as satan did when he said I will this or I will that, be careful of visions and dreams that exalt oneself and not Christ. If God gives a vision or dream there is always a divine purpose for His glory, it is never given to exalt oneself and the dream or vision will always line up with God’s word and His character. Wait on the Lord in all things, seek Him with all of your heart and you will find Him. Moses waited 40 yrs in the wilderness for God to get him to the place where he could be finally sent to deliver the Israelites our of Egypt. God can use a donkey if He so chooses and He did to speak and bring about His will, stay humble before God and don’t think more highly of yourself than you ought. People fall into all kinds of sins when they exalt themselves or want others to think highly of them and they lead many of like mindedness down that wide road to destruction. Remain patient, wait on the Lord and be content in the calling He has called you in, don’t try to make yourself something He didn’t designate for you.

  • satovey

    The reason people follow after these posers is because they do not know what the Bible says. According to the the angel that spoke with the disciples after Jesus went up to heaven, Jesus is not going to be reincarnated but that very same Jesus is going to return from heaven. Sadly, there are so many that do not take God at His word and either reinterpret the meaning of His words, or argue on semantics.

    Acts:1:9: And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
    10: And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
    11: Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.
    12: Then returned they unto Jerusalem from the mount called Olivet, which is from Jerusalem a sabbath day’s journey.