Arizona Football Coach Suspended for Praying with Team

Prayer Football pdTEMPE, Ariz. — A high school football coach in Arizona has been suspended for two weeks for joining his team in prayer.

Tom Brittain is the head varsity coach for Tempe Preparatory Academy, a state funded charter school. According to reports, Brittain recently asked one of the players on his team to lead the group in prayer, and then joined the team as they thanked the Lord following a winning game.

Headmaster Dr. David Baum suspended Brittain for two games for his participation, asserting that he had violated the so-called separation of church and state.

“He is a man who likes to pray and I don’t object to that,” he told local television station KPHO. “Just, he can’t do that with our students. That’s the only prohibition.”

Baum is standing by his decision to suspend Brittain.

“I think I preserved the religious freedom of our students, who have to have the liberty to be able to practice or not practice their religion on our campus, without interference by adults,” he said.

But others state that it was wrong for Brittain to be punished over prayer.

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“I think it’s outrageous,” area resident Keith Wibel told reporters. “Ray Rice gets two games for cold-cocking his fiancé and Tom Brittain gets two games for praying.”

Wibel was among those who wore a t-shirt and/or brought signs to last week’s homecoming game to show their support for the coach. Wibel’s shirt read “Let Tom Coach.” Students also tied a poster to the stands during the game, which read, “We believe in Coach Brittain.” Personal messages were also written on the poster, such as “I love you. God bless you, coach,” and “Thank you.” Some students drew a cross or shared Scripture.

As previously reported, a high school football coach in North Carolina was ordered to stop leading his team in prayer earlier this year when his practice was discovered by a prominent atheist organization. Officials with the Mooresville Graded School District told Mooresville High School football coach Hal Capps to stop praying with students after the Freedom from Religion Foundation asserted that his actions were unlawful.

“It is a violation of the Constitution for the Mooresville High School football coach to organize, lead, or participate in prayers or other religious proselytizing before, during, or after games and practices,” FFRF attorney Patrick Elliott wrote to District Attorney Kevin Donaldson. “It is well settled that public schools, and by extension public school officials, may not advance or promote religion.”

But a number of team members expressed their support for Capps’ prayers, using the Twitter hashtag #ISupportCapps.

“#ISupportCapps and he’s the best coach I’ve ever had, and I’m twice the guy and player I was when I came to Mooresville as a freshman,” Tweeted team member Dallas Jackson.

“Love my coach mane; he do a lot for me,” posted Dash Ingram. “Helping me with a lot of stuff mane! Coach Capps [is] the truth mane #ISupportCapps.”

Local residents likewise largely supported the coach.

“I believe what the Bible says,” Belvin Sherrill told WBTV. “It upsets that some people can just dictate what you do because of their beliefs and not take into consideration your own.”

“I think the man, the coach, should be able to pray with his players or anybody else that he wants too,” resident Betty Lambert also remarked to the outlet. “That’s our right; we as Christians have stood back too long.”

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  • robertzaccour

    He should be allowed to pray with his team. The only people that would be offended by this are people that are looking to be offended.

    • Nell Webbish

      If this coach had lead the players in a Jewish prayer or a Muslim prayer or a Bahá’í prayer or a Hindu prayer or maybe even a Mormon or Catholic prayer, I somehow doubt people like you would still be asserting “He should be allowed to pray with his team.”

      • BarkingDawg

        Maybe the cheerleaders can form a Wican coven.

      • robertzaccour

        Actually I still wouldn’t care, as long as the players aren’t being forced to participate. Anyone that would be offended then are just the people that are looking to be offended.

        • BarkingDawg

          You have no idea how a high school football team operates.

          If the coach says “we are going to say a prayer ” there is no option for the players not to participate.

          Even if the coach said. “Those that want to can say a prayer,”. The players would dll feel compelled to participate.

          It’s a high school football team. They’ll do anything the coach says because none of them want their playing time cut.

          • AugustineThomas

            Do you have any evidence for your absurd claim?

            This is the problem, you guys want to indoctrinate all children with your Godless heathen beliefs and so you try to pretend only your Godless leftist indoctrination is ok.
            Heaven forbid they’re taught Christianity, which built this whole country you ignorant ingrate.

            Nowhere in the Constitution does it say that a coach can’t lead his team in prayer!

          • Nell Webbish

            People that think the only laws in the land are the ones specifically spelled out in the Constitution are too ignorant of the Constitution and how it works to be allowed in the conversation.

          • shd1963

            Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. In other words, the Government can not establish a STATE RELIGION, like England had established the Church of England with the Sovereign as it’s head. Note, it also says ‘or prohibiting the free exercise thereof’. Nowhere does it say that someone can only express their religion if it is permitted by the State. That is the bastardization by libturd judges in the 70’s.

          • Nell Webbish

            1) You might want to make yourself aware of the 200+ years of SCOTUS rulings that continue to address the interpretation of the Constitution. In the same way gun rights have been expanded beyond well-ordered militias, 1st Amendment rights have also been expanded.

            2) No ones was prevented from exercising their religion freedoms. The students are free to pray in whatever manner their personal choice of religious lifestyle dictates. The coach is allowed to pray whenever he wishes to also.

            No one has a constitutionally protected right to lead public school students in prayer at a school event when employed by that public school.

          • BarkingDawg

            “Do you have any evidence for your absurd claim?”

            You don’t know any high school football players, do you?

          • AugustineThomas

            You’re being a hypocrite. You think it’s ok for you to force people to stop praying, literally force them by getting them fired from their jobs, but it’s not ok for any player on the team to pressure himself into praying or leave the football team.

            Why is it ok to fire someone for praying, but not ok to kick someone off the team for not praying? And no one would even kick anyone off a team for not praying or give them less playing time. That’s your false claim. Your side actually is persecuting people for praying and all you can do is suggest secret psychological pressure about people having any repercussions for not praying.

          • BarkingDawg

            The coach was not fired. He was suspended.

            He is free to pray whenever he wishes. He is not free to force children in a public school to pray with him.

            Why is that so hard for you to understand?

            As a foitball coach in a public school, He can not pray or lead prayers after football games.

            He can not establish an official religion of the football team.

          • Akela

            You don’t know the Constitution, do you?

          • BarkingDawg

            I know about the 14th amendment.

            This is the amendment that applies the bill of rights to the states and local governments.

            It is because of the 14th amendment that states and local towns can not enact laws that violate the 2nd amendment among others.

            It is because of the Privleges and Inunities clause of the 14th amendment that states and local government agencies can not establish religion in violation of the first Anendmend of the US Constitution.

            Anyone that tells you differently is flat out wrong.

          • James Grimes

            You better check the Constitution again. The 14th Amendment is NOT part of the Bill of Rights. It was enacted in 1868, more than 75 years after the Bill of Rights. Your other comments are incorrect also, as the 14th does not cover these points.

          • BarkingDawg

            Ok, you got me. My statement was a bit unclear. Let me rephrase it.

            The 14th amendment applies ALL Privleges and Immunities (ie “rights”) guaranteed to the gitizens of the United States by the federal government to the states as well.

            In other words, the states, as well as the federal government are obliged to conform to the rights guaranteed by the constitution.

            What that means in this case is that the state of Arizona can not act in a manner to establish an official religion.

            A charter school funded by the state, is, by state law, defined as a public school.

            A public school is an agency if the state government.

            A football game is a school sponsored activity and therefore subject to the constitutional provision against the establishment of a religion.

            It’s really as simple as that.

            If you don’t like it, send your kid to a private school.

          • James Grimes

            Your comment had some credibility until your last sentence, “If you don’t like it, send your kid to a private school.”

          • BarkingDawg

            Well it’s the truth. Public schools are subject to the limitations of the constitution. In a private school or a home school, you can pray to your hearts content.

          • Michael Murphy

            Then you just Violated His right to Free Expression,Free speech etc.Just wait when liberty council or and American Center of Law and Justice get’s a hold of the law suits ! if he people whom pay the tax of a Majority want A Cross And Prayer on Public property the the Govt shall Do as the will of the majority says ! Only Hate filled Atheist Sinners who hate the name of Jesus do this Evil !
            Why America(great eagle) is the Mystery Babylon soon to fall .Revelations is Hope to for us Believers and doom for the dark side of people who think the Roman Papacy Government toilet paper is better !

          • BarkingDawg

            Santa Fe Independent School District v. Doe:

            The Supreme Court voted 6-3 that, even when attendance is voluntary and the decision to pray is made by students, pregame prayers are not private speech, and a football game is not a public forum for unbridled free expression.

            The same applies to post game prayers as well.

          • Michael Murphy

            Man Made Logic Loses again ! what era was that argument made ? 6-3 mean’s nothing against a majority of Millions !

            The vote was against free Expression period. Evil Atheist Homo Sexual men and women In black Robes nothing Less, we see today Especially Appointments made by O’Bazzo the kenyan Fraud and Bill Clinton surely both an ” Atheist Wannabe Christian liar.” there wifes .Ughhhhhhh !! “Especially The POTUS either one, ,not on Our Watch !

            Make up all the Govt control rules all you want,in today’s Environment we vote with our Pocket books of Fiat Money and The Rule from heaven Shall not comeback void !

            Many cases to be studied at ACLJ.org

            The WW II memorial Cross at Solodad,Calif Will stand (Google it) as all Crosses in America .Islam will Lose ! The 9/11 Miracle Cross stands .

            The perfect example of English Tyranny, is Calif and its idiotic Laws on the 2nd Amendment is liken to your Argument against Free Expression of the First sentence of the 1st Amendment . Corruption Lives in your mind Oh Sinful Man !

            Now get off my Porch, You are Trespassing on Our Free Will of Faith oh Heathen. or I will call the Dog Pound Cops on you Get !

          • BarkingDawg

            The case was decided in 2000.

          • Robert Hutcheson

            The school sponsored activity, in your example, is not endeavoring to establish an official religion because Christianity has already been established. All they, and the coach, are doing is exercising their right to practice their already established religion, which the Constitution clearly states they cannot be prohibited from.

          • BarkingDawg

            “The school sponsored activity, in your example, is not endeavoring to establish an official religion because Christianity has already been established.”

            ========
            Don’t be absurd.

            There is no official, established religion in the United States.

            You know this and yet you post the above, why are you compelled to lie?

          • James Grimes

            I see you had corrected your flawed comment. Good decision.

          • Ranger

            There is no Constitution any longer!! Only ignorant sleeping fools who can not see, hear, or accept truth still cling to that piece of paper the government shits on every day!

            Stop being so foolishly dumb.

          • Ranger

            There’s ALWAYS an option. Just because you cower at controversy, doesn’t mean these kids have to.
            They have all the right to stand up and walk out!!!

          • BarkingDawg

            Why should they give up playing high school football just because the coach is a jerk?

        • Nell Webbish

          SCOTUS considers any prayer being lead by the school as overly coercive. And if you are unaware of the kind of treatment kids get in many schools when they opt out of things like prayer or the pledge then you really are not informed well enough to be discussing the topic.

          • Ranger

            Who gives a flying fuck what the Corrupted Criminals who are bought and paid for by the Corporations and Banks have to say about anything?

          • James Grimes

            oops, this needs to be reported to the admins.

      • AugustineThomas

        You do realize that Catholics are Christians? (The Catholic Church is the Church, which Christ founded.)
        You guys are so ignorant and bigoted. If everyone was like you we would have another Soviet Russia!

        • Nell Webbish

          Oh look … someone lecturing me on religion who apparently is ignorant of the reality that there are many Christians who do fully believe Catholics and Mormon are damned to hell, no true Christians and maybe worshipping the anti-Christ.

          Or you are aware of that and are just being a nattering obsequious dipshit.

          • AugustineThomas

            There it is. You get called out for your ignorance and you turn into the demon-possessed, foul mouth, petulant atheist that you are.

            Are you seriously under the impression that because you can find fundamentalists who think Catholics are going to Hell, that means Catholics aren’t Christian?
            I think Protestants are heretical, but that doesn’t make them not Christian. There are bad Christians.. One can identify as a Christian and still be a sinner or wrong theologically.

            But, despite your bitterness, you’re still a child of God, so God bless you!

          • Nell Webbish

            BWUAHAHAHA! Demon-possessed? So posting mean comments online is now evidence of demon possession? That is some really pathetic demon evil you believe in.

            And you are also confused about my comment. It’s not me that thinks Catholics are not Christians or that the Pope is the anti-Christ. It’s other Christians that believe that.

            And those Christians, would scream bloody murder if their public school football coach was leading his team in a prayer to the Virgin Mary before every game.

          • AugustineThomas

            You’re a simple-minded bigot. Christians don’t pray to Our Lady, we ask for her prayers. The bible is full of references to asking others to pray for us. There is nothing wrong with this act despite the fact that Protestants pretend there is because they’re searching for any possible slander against the Church in order to forget that they’re heretics who disobey most of Christ’s teachings.

            And you’re wrong. The massive majority of Catholic (read universal) Christians have no problem praying with Protestants because most Protestant prayers, despite the shortcomings of Protestantism, are derived from prayers developed by God’s One True Church.

          • Nell Webbish

            Oh spare me the dishonest semantics. It’s prayer in the commonly used sense of the word.

            I never said Catholics had a problem praying with Protestants.

            What a dishonest person you are. You can’t actually refute what I said so you keep distorting, misrepresenting and flat out lying.

        • Ranger

          While you are at Church, please say hello to the Easter Bunny for me.

          • James Grimes

            This comment is so out of line on this site. Can you find it within yourself to be respectful? As an Atheist, you can still show some decency when trolling here.

        • Peter

          Where did you got it that catholics are christian?? Catholics church is a CULT !!! Read the catholic 10 commandments and 10 commandments in the BIBLE.

      • AugustineThomas

        And by the way, the difference is that this country wasn’t founded on the Muslim, Bahai or Hindu faith. It was founded on Christianity and it is still majority Christian, despite how much you Godless heathens are trying to ruin it because you worship your sins.

        • Nell Webbish

          No it wasn’t. It was formed as a secular state but religious men that understood very clearly what happens when you form a state based on a religion.

          • AugustineThomas

            Yes it was. It was founded by all Christians. There was not one non-Christian community in the entire country. There were a few Jewish communities because it was by then a part of the Christian tradition to allow Jews for biblical and cultural reasons.

            The most you can do is quote Jefferson, who was a CHRISTIAN Deist. He didn’t like certain aspects of state churches, but he surely never imagined a state that persecuted religion and mandated Godlessness.
            You guys are the one who made that myth up. The Christians who built this country didn’t fill our founding documents with references to Christianity because it was obvious to everyone that they were building a Christian nation.

            Why do you think it was the separation, not of temple, mosque and freethinkers’ club, but of CHURCH and state??

            And what does happen when you form a state based on the Christian religion? In Europe what happened is that people built modernity and did more charity for the rest of the world than any other group in history.

            What happens when a state is based on atheism/agnosticism? Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Communist China, North Korea, etc., etc., etc.

            Move to North Korea.. Your atheist “utopia” already exists there!

          • Nell Webbish

            Founded by Christians is not the same thing as found it as a Christian nation. It was founded as a secular nation. Period.

            None of the countries you listed were based on “atheism/agnosticism”. Atheism and agnosticism has nothing to say about government making it impossible to base a country on it.

            There are plenty of secular democracies in the world that are quite successful and happy states.

          • AugustineThomas

            Christians developed secularism. It was founded as Christian secular nation. Period.
            The two are not mutually exclusive. (Otherwise they would have spoke of the separation of Temple, Mosque, “free-thinkers'” club and state–but they didn’t, they spoke of separation of CHURCH and state.)

            No true Scotsman am I right? In your mind is an atheist capable of murder or does he cease to be atheist the moment he does something wrong?
            In your guys’ minds, Christians stay Christian when they do evil, but atheists are instantaneously kicked out of the club whenever they do wrong.

            God bless you.

          • Nell Webbish

            Yes, they actually are mutually exclusive. By definition.

            And no, nothing I’ve said has been an example of a No True Scotsman fallacy.

            The stuff you apparently are imagine me having said “murder, etheist, blah, blah, blah) is. But I didn’t say any of that. Didn’t even imply it.

            Making that an straw man argument.

          • Akela

            Not quite.

          • truelies2

            wrong

          • BarkingDawg

            The treaty of Tripoli, unanimously ratified by the US Senate. 1797.

            “As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion.”

          • Ranger

            In fact, many of the founders stated very adamant that it would serve the country well to keep Religion from these shores!!

          • Ranger

            The Nation was built upon the belief of GOD, not Religion!
            Religion is Poison!

          • Nell Webbish

            No it wasn’t.

      • Nerditarian

        I’m a Mormon and I have no idea what you mean by “Mormon prayer”. You mean the scary ones that start with Heavenly Father and end with In the name of Jesus Christ?

        Was the coach leading or simply participating in a student led prayer? It makes a difference here.

        • BarkingDawg

          “Was the coach leading or simply participating in a student led prayer? It makes a difference here.”

          =========
          No. There is no difference in this case. This is a high school football team. Everything that happens on the field with a high school football team is the responsibility of the coach. High school football coaches do not make suggestions. Everything they say or ask is considered a direct order by the players.

          Even more so than a teacher in a classroom, football coaches wield enormous influence over the players.

          • Nerditarian

            If teachers and coaches suggestions were obeyed as readily as you seem to think they are public education would be seeing miraculous results.

          • BarkingDawg

            You don’t know much about high school football players.

          • Nerditarian

            Says BarkingDawg to a teacher…

          • BarkingDawg

            Are you a football coach?

          • Nerditarian

            Nah. Just a music teacher, Scout leader, parent of 7… but I don’t know nuthin’ bout coachin’ no football team. But we’re off topic. Show me where the Constitution says a public school team coach must leave all statements of personal belief at the door when they are with students? Be careful not to fall in the same trap pretty much every atheist does when arguing this…

          • Nell Webbish

            Uhm, that’s not much of trap. It’s a straw man. This has nothing to do with demanding teachers to leave their “personal belief at the door”.

            It’s about school led prayer, which SCOTUS has ruled over and over again is a violation of the 1st Amendment.

          • Nerditarian

            The prayer was student led.

          • Nell Webbish

            BS.

            And even if it was, the coach is still prohibited from participating if he is there in his capacity as a school employee at a school event.

            But more importantly, it’s BS.

        • Nell Webbish

          Are you actually unaware that there are many Christian sects that do not consider Mormon or Catholics to be real Christians? And that there would be out cries from them if overtly Mormon or Catholic beliefs were being promoted in their schools?

          And you are incorrect, it does not make a difference if it is student led. School employees should not participate in student lead prayer while acting as an employee of the school. SCOTUS has made that clear in several rulings.

          • Nerditarian

            I’m aware. That doesn’t validate their erroneous beliefs. The prayer in this case was led by a student.

          • Nell Webbish

            No, it wasn’t. Student led does not mean “the student said the prayer”.

            And as you’ve been told now several times … even if it was truly student led (instead people lying about it being student led to justify it) the coach is still prohibited from participating in the prayer when he is acting as a school employee at a school event.

          • Nerditarian

            You wishing it so doesn’t make it so.

          • Nell Webbish

            I’m not wishing anything. I’m informing you of how the law is written. You clearly don’t actually know what you are talking about but are just saying things you think sound right.

            You are under the mistaken understanding that if the prayer is “student-led” (a term I’m not convinced you actually understand the legal definition of) it means teachers and coaches can participate.

            You are wrong.

          • Nerditarian

            Please cite the case and argument…

          • Nell Webbish

            Why don’t you cite me the ruling that supports your claim, seeing as you made yours first.

            And while you are at it, why don’t you also provide a source for your assertion that the prayer was “student-led” along with what definition you are using for the term,

          • Nerditarian

            Go on. Substantiate your opinion with settled case law. Don’t answer a question with a question to deflect. While you are at it educate is with the definition of student led you seem to have so neatly wrapped up.

          • Nerditarian

            Since you can’t or won’t please see the citations at the bottom of this article regarding religious expression and teachers in AZ. http://azpolicypages.com/religious-liberty/freedom-of-religion-for-teachers-and-professors/ in fact of he had prevented the students from praying he may have violated the establishment clause of the constitution. Best let the real lawyers decide this in court and not trying play one yourself on the inter webs.

          • Nell Webbish

            That link does not contradict a single thing I’ve said. It does on the other hand contradict you and your very mistaken belief that teachers can participate in student lead prayer … you might want to carefully read the third paragraph under Issue Analysis including the citations. The section that starts “Teachers are free to express their beliefs and take part in religious activities when it is clear they are not acting in their official capacities as school employees”

            And no one but you has said anything about preventing students from praying. Nice straw man.

          • Nerditarian

            Yes we know YOUR interpretation of events. But as I said before perhaps you should allow the courts to decide instead of playing a lawyer online.

          • Nell Webbish

            TRANSLATION: I can’t articulate a rational response to your points so SHUT UP YOU NON-LAWYER YOU!! SHUT UP!!

      • Akela

        They don’t do that, though.See how that works?

        • Ranger

          You are blind and ignorant to believe that ALL schools do not allow pray rugs!!!

          • Nell Webbish

            Allowing prayer rugs in school has exactly ZERO to do with this situation.

            It’s not about students being able to pray. ALL students are allowed to pray in school.

            This is about SCHOOL LEAD prayer … where a teacher or coach or administrator or someone else brought in by the public school to lead students in a prayer as part of a school activity.

            The only person who is blind and ignorant here is you, as you seem completely clueless about what the issue is.

      • libsarescum

        Actually if it had been a Muslim prayer, you would be defending it.

        • Nell Webbish

          Let me know when you have one single case of any atheist organization or group defending the right of a Muslim teacher to lead public school students in prayer.

          • libsarescum
          • Nell Webbish

            Nope, not even close.

            There is no mention of any atheist group or organization in your link.

            And there was no mention of anyone defending the right of a Muslim teacher to lead public school students in prayer.

            That link was about STUDENTS having the right to pray in school. That link was also a perfect example of the nasty hypocrisy some Christians indulge in … lying and fear-mongering to prevent people who are not Christian from exercising their religious freedom.

  • BarkingDawg

    1) the first amendment is pretty clear and as the school is funded through state tax dollars, the constitution applies.

    2) IT’S A FOOTBALL GAME!!!! If you thing that God chooses sides on a high school football game then you are totally, stark, raving insane.

    • AugustineThomas

      THE CONSTITUTION DOESN’T OUTLAW PRAYER YOU UNBELIEVABLY IGNORANT SHMUCKS!

      • BarkingDawg

        HEY YOU KIDS! GET OFF OF MY LAWN!!!!

        • AugustineThomas

          HEY YOU BITTER ATHEISTS! GET OFF MY PRAYER!

          • WingMann

            Bitter atheists never stop being bitter. It’s part of being a God-less, miserable, angry person. And it doesn’t end…ever.

          • truelies2

            It will end…..come “Judgement Day”.

          • BarkingDawg

            You are free to pray whenever and wherever you like.

            Unless you are a football coach for a public school. Then you are not allowed to impose your prayers on others, especially children whom you excerpt considerable authority over.

            Get it? Got it? Good.

    • Ranger

      99% of those who live Religious lifestyles are totally stark raving insane.

      • BarkingDawg

        I think some of the “Christians” posting on this board want to behead me.

      • James Grimes

        Another insult. You’re pretty good at doing this. Maybe this site is not for you. BTW, I did report you for using profanity here.

  • Nell Webbish

    I’m willing to bet that Betty Lambert would not be asserting a coach’s “right” to lead student’s in prayer if that coach was a Jew, a Muslim, Bahá’í or a Hindu.

    • BarkingDawg

      It’s Arizona, maybe they can get a Navajo Shaman to hold a sing in the end zone after the game.

      • AugustineThomas

        Anything but Christianity for you Godless heathens, am I right? You hate the True Religion because you know that it built your country and is better than your heathen beliefs in every way!

        • BarkingDawg

          so, you are saying that it would be ok to have a Christian prayer, but not a Navajo prayer.

          I think that you just proved my point.

          • AugustineThomas

            No, I think you just proved my point.
            This is all a game for you. You can’t even find anyone who wants to say a Navajo prayer at one of these games. You just want to torment Christians, probably because you love your sins and rightly recognize Christianity as the only entity that might keep you from them.

            You’re actually denying people their deeply held religious beliefs over your silly game. That’s the problem with these militant atheists. They’re not happy to be able to go found their own atheist schools if they want to. If there really were any desire for atheism among the majority of the population, there would be plenty of schools where football teams had freethinkers’ chants before the game. But there aren’t.. There are a bunch of Christians who want to pray. So the tiny minority of professional atheist victims want to ruin everyone else’s lives because they’re bitter that so few people want to be miserable atheists.

            There’s a reason atheism is on the decline and only makes up about 2-3% of the population.

          • BarkingDawg

            Let me try to make this as clear as I can for you: the United States is not a theocracy. We do not have an official religion.

            You are free to practice whatever religion you wish.

            You are not free to force others to follow you.

            Get it? Got it? Good.

    • James Grimes

      You would lose the bet.

    • AugustineThomas

      I’m willing to bet that you won’t move to North Korea to be with all of you fellow atheists.. There aren’t any Christians there. You’ll be so happy!

      • Nell Webbish

        Classic off-topic comment meant to insult in lieu of actually being able to respond to the point being made.

        And by the way, I like lots of Christians. It’s the intellectually-depraved, anti-American, Christian pissers and moaners I’m not fond of.

        • AugustineThomas

          I can easily respond to your point. This country was founded for Christians by Christians and all of its blessings come from Christ. That is why many would be upset with members of other religions who come here to enjoy the fruits of a Christian nation trying to change its religion.

          Christians built America. No Christianity, no America.

  • Jon Davis

    “..OR PROHIBITING THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF!!!”
    A teacher does not stop being We The People just because he is employed by the state!

    • AugustineThomas

      The leftists always forget that part. They love to prohibit Christianity because they know how much their master Satan hates Christ.

    • BarkingDawg

      The very first line of the very first amendment in the Bill of Rights:

      “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.”

      What part of that don’t you understand?

      • truelies2

        Hey Doggie

        Just what does the word “CONGRESS” mean to you????

        Perhaps you should look it up.

        • BarkingDawg

          Sigh. I knew someone would try for that argument. Unfortunately for you, it’s a FAIL all the way. The 14th amendment of the US Constitution states:
          “No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States….”

          This clause specifically applies the rights and limitations of the Constitution to the states as well as to the federal government. This is the same clause that is used ti apply the 2nd Amendment to the states and local municipalities.

          If that isn’t enough, the Arizona State Constituition states: “No public money or property shall be appropriated for or applied to any religious worship, exercise, or instruction, or to the support of any religious establishment.”

          Too bad for you.

      • Jon Davis

        To have both the entirety of government acting in the role of government MUST turn a blind eye. The coach was acting in the role of a We The People human being, praying in participation, not as a state employee IMPOSING prayer. One does not sell his soul to the state just because he is employed by the state.

  • Mp Mb

    The so called freedom from religion group totally violated these coaches’ First Amendment rights. It is a clear Constitutional violation to prohibit anyone from praying. The schools have all caved in to the pressure from this group and I think it may be the straw that breaks the camel’s back. It’s time for lawyers and citizens to start pushing back. I for one have had it.
    We need to start defending the rights of Christians, and using the Courts to do it.

    • BarkingDawg

      Go right ahead. Go to the courts. It’s not like this issue has not been litigated 100 times before. It’s not like the courts haven’t ruled 100 times before that school led prayers are a violation if the Establishment Clause.

      Go ahead, make it 101 times.

      • truelies2

        Hey Doggie

        Read, word for word, The First Amendment in our Bill of Rights.

        You are making a fool out of yourself.

        • BarkingDawg

          Please. The courts have consistently ruled against official prayers in public school.

          That won’t change.

    • truelies2

      There are faster and more permanent methods.

      • BarkingDawg

        What are you suggesting?

  • Lee Stevens

    FFRF – The same people who made a deal with the IRS to spy on churches.

    • BarkingDawg

      What brand of aluminum foil do you make your hat out of?

  • BarkingDawg

    People, its a FOOTBALL GAME.

    God does not have a side bet on the outcome with St. Peter.

    Prayers before of after a FOOTBALL GAME are frivolous and irreverent.

    • truelies2

      Hey Doggie

      Got any plans for ETERNITY?

      • BarkingDawg

        Yeah, I’ll be playing rugby. A real man’s sport.

        • truelies2

          No way.

          Hades is a place of heat and torment. No rugby. No fun or games. Just regret.

          • BarkingDawg

            LOL. Judgememenal, army you?

            Fortunately, it’s not your call.

  • WingMann

    Pray, and never stop praying. If they arrest you, keep praying. No matter what the Dirty Leftists do, keep praying. Stay together, support each other, and keep praying.

  • Toothless Dawg

    Abort Atheists

    • BarkingDawg

      Since when is this about atheists? This is about not violating the establishment clause.

  • WingMann

    Pray with your team, Coach. Pray no matter what. It they arrest you, keep praying. If they put you in jail, keep praying. Force them to reveal their evil nature and intent.

    • BarkingDawg

      Do you seriously think that the coach will be arrested?

  • Ranger

    Seems the players in these situations should take a stand and tell the idiots at the schools that they will no longer play football or any other sport as long as they are refrained from praying with their coaches.

    I’d love to see the look on the idiots that run these indoctrination centers when not one player takes to the field, no parents in the stands, and all the coaches standing there with no players.

    The public, and these students need to understand that they have ALL THE POWER!

    Stop participating in their programs, PERIOD!!!

    • BarkingDawg

      “Seems the players in these situations should take a stand and tell the idiots at the schools that they will no longer play football or any other sport as long as they are refrained from praying with their coaches”

      ======
      BWAHAHAHAHA
      You don’t know any teenaged football players, do you?

      High school football players live for the game. For some, it is their lonely hope for a college education.

  • dan from ohio

    there is no such thing in our Founding Documents concerning the statement,Separation

    of Church and State.This term was used by a Klan backing Supreme Court Judge Hugo Black who was afraid to many Catholics in politics….

  • fatwillie

    The idiots that use the separation of church and state, have no idea what it means, It does not mean that you cannot pray at state functions, or football games or any other type of prayer. It does not mean you cannot have the 10 commandants posted or displayed in view of the public in any state arenas. It does not mean you cannot use the Bible as a swearing in tool. It simply means that the state cannot make laws based on religion, as the forefathers knew that the people of the nation were made up of many, and that the atheist and the agnostic were also among us, and if laws were made or passed based on religion or religions, they would be wrong. The separation is simple and easy to understand just like all other things the forefathers did, as they did not want any confusion and or questions so that the rights of the peoples and the laws of the land in the republic would not be infringed on, or broken or changed. If you want to find the real slime ball behind all of these problems with religion that are in the news daily look at the jew and his never quenching thirst to destroy God and religion, so his god satan can control the world.

  • Michael Murphy

    The world is ending soon But realize this, you who keep the Evil Anti Christ futile Argument going. The Cross stood it’s ground on the 9/11 site, Got it Too bad for you, but Go loves you any way. Repent ! while you can as The Kenyan leads America and its fools into WW III ! America will be the Mystery Babylon, all this will come to pass and those who do not believe in a divine presence, will know it ,in there Nature. Life is about to come to an end while they Keep perverting the truth in the world ! Jesus is Lord and King and every knee shall bow Period end of This Argument !

  • Rick Mark

    HUH? Yet it’s OK to put pagan Symbols in our city squares?
    The Obelisk (the tall pointy thing downtown) is supposed to be a phallic symbol, YIP!
    It’s Osiris’s ding dong, tight on our parks and city squares for we to see and our kids to paly around. A huge dick , displayed for all to see!
    ————————————————–
    Then there’s the All seeing EYE on the Dollar, That would be the symbol for Osiris’s Son, Horus! YIP, right on your dollar, another pagan symbol! Paganism is a religion ? YES?
    ————————————————-
    Then, talk about separation of church and state, Washington DC street plan is designed with tons of pagan, demonic & satanic symbols. First, the whole Capital area looks like a huge OWL, the demon God Moloch! YIP, on the light post on the city streets, they have street maps posted to show you around, it’s a huge OWL! Moloch, the Demon they feed children to, look up Moloch and Images on the internet, YOU WILL SEE!
    ———— Then there’s the compass and other masonic pagan symbols, all over DC.
    —————————————————
    The Freedom medal Obama gave to Oprah and Bill Clinton, it’s a circle and star, the same one in witches circles! HUH? Weird? Ya think!
    —————————————————-
    So, they want Jesus & praying gone BUT you must accept satanic and pagan symbols.
    HUH? So, the truth is, one religion is being erased and a new one is being introduced.
    I think I remember reading about that in the Bible!
    —————————————————
    rick miracle , the truth seeker! Just a little food for thought! There is so much more to know, I made some video’s and put them on youtube.
    Freemasonry and Satanism, book review 1 of 50,
    Go see em! We are in big trouble and many folks don’t even know it!

  • BarkingDawg

    In Santa Fe Independant School Dudeict v. Doe, 2000, SCOTUS found that “Held: The District’s policy permitting student-led, student-initiated prayer at football games violates the Establishment Clause,”

  • Becki

    show me where in the Constitution that it states this is unconstitutional? Name the exact amendment and phrase…. Just so you know, it is a violation for the STATE to interfere with churches…. NOTHING at all about not being able to pray at any school, court house etc… if someone wishes to.

    • BarkingDawg

      It is, as you well know, it is the Establishment Clause of the first amendment of the U.S. Constitution.

      This amendment applies to the school district.

      for more a detailed breakdown of the constitutional issues here, see the following:

      http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=US&vol=000&invol=99-62#section1

      • Becki

        Bull… it does NOT state people cannot pray at public functions… it states: CONGRESS shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. The Establishment Clause is a limitation placed upon the United States Congress preventing it from passing legislation respecting an establishment of religion. The second prohibition inherent from this specified prohibition is no preference by the U.S. government of one religion over another; an aim desired by the Founding Fathers necessary to accommodate all of the many denominations in the United States. The Establishment Clause prohibits Congress from preferring or elevating one religion over another, but does not prohibit the government’s entry into religious domain to make accommodations for religious observances and practices in order to achieve the purposes of the Free Exercise Clause.There is NO LAW in our Constitution that says “separation of state and religion.” It only means the STATE cannot interfere with religion. Wake up.

        • BarkingDawg

          it states: CONGRESS shall make NO law respecting an establishment of religion or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. The Establishment Clause is a limitation placed upon the United States Congress preventing it from passing legislation respecting an establishment of religion.

          Please disabuse yourself of the idea that the 1st amendment applies ONLY to Congress. It applies to the states as well, courtesy of the Privileges and Immunities clause of the 14th amendment. Furthermore, the courts have interpreted to apply to all actions by government entities, not just laws.

        • BarkingDawg

          but does not prohibit the government’s entry into religious domain to make accommodations for religious observances and practices in order to achieve the purposes of the Free Exercise Clause.

          ===========

          OK, now you are getting into an entirely different area. Yes, it is possible for a government to establish set places within public domain for reasonable display of free expression or free exercise. This is called a designated public forum.

          A high school football stadium on game night does not qualify as a designated public forum. Try again.

        • BarkingDawg

          Did you read the Supreme court opinion that I linked to? Apparently not.

          If you don’t like it, why don’t get your elected representative to propose a new constitutional amendment, one that establishes your particular brand of Christianity as the official and only religion allowed in their country.

  • tuke411 .

    Just remember that no one will escape judgement. I wonder how his argument will go when confronting his maker. Perhaps he should consider repenting.

  • ib12541

    I defy anyone to find the so-called “separation of church and state” crap in our Constitution.

    • BarkingDawg

      “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion”

      here you go.

      • ib12541

        and we have another loser. thanks for playing.

        • BarkingDawg

          Read the above supreme court decisions.

          • ib12541

            reading comprehension isn’t your strong suit but you keep trying sunshine.

          • BarkingDawg

            Keep living in your little make believe world.

            Meanwhile, the courts have decisively ruled that certain activities are prohibited by schools including those who teach in and those who administer the schools.

            That is not going to change. Deal with it.

          • ib12541

            three strikes and you are OUT! anyone else want to play and answer my original post?

          • BarkingDawg

            Yawn.

            Disregarding the truth is your FAIL, not mine. Buh Bye.

    • Nell Webbish

      I love people who think that because those specific words are not in the Constitution it means the intent is not in the Constitution.

      • ib12541

        thank you for loving me nell. people are missing the point here. the constitution is the supreme law of the land. your governor, your president, your supreme court, whoever, can make no law that supersedes it. any law that does is null and void.

        “separation of church and state” is a phrase used by Jefferson expressing his understanding of the establishment clause of the first amendment addressed to the Danbury Baptist Association.

        also, the amendments were/are meant to be constraints on the federal government. tell a lie often enough and eventually it becomes truth.

        • Nell Webbish

          No, I’m not missing your point. It’s the all too predictable, childishly simplistic and totally misguided idea that things not spelled out word for word in the Constitution cannot be real laws or Constitutional.

          It’s especially egregious when espoused by people who have no problem with other rights that are not word-for-word spelled out, but only are “strict Constitutionalists” when it is conveniently in support of their own biases.

          Though the stupidest part of it for me is the inability for people to grasp the concept that being restricted from doing something while you are performing your job is not the same thing as having your rights removed.

          So no, I get your point and it’s just as nonsensical now as it was the first time I read it.

  • Aussie

    There are many wonderful Christians in the Roman catholic faith who like most of the people of the earth have been deceived. They do not know that their religion is founded on Babylonian pagan occult satanic worship.
    The first of God’s commandments is “thou shalt have no other God before me” and the Catholic’s worship Mary above that of God. The next is “thou shalt not worship any graven images” and they kiss rosary beads and the feet of statues. The next is to “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy” and they have mass on Friday’s and go to the club and drink alcohol on Sunday’s?
    There are many catholic clubs through out the world where gambling is there main industry. The Pope himself has stated that there is no room in Christianity for fundalmentalist Christian’s, that means those that truly and literally love God and obey his commandments. He also told people that their sins are forgiven if they follow him on twitter and social media? Only God through Jesus Christ can forgive sins after true repentance.
    Their Pope is also going about in the earth trying to bring about a one world religion which sounds good but coincides with the one world Government, one world currency and one world religion. The New World Order with false miracles orchestrated by SATAN. Do not be deceived.

  • BarkingDawg

    Everson v. Board of Education of the Township of Ewing, 1947

    The “establishment of religion” clause of the First Amendment means at least this: neither a state nor the Federal Government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion. No person can be punished for entertaining or professing religious beliefs or disbeliefs, for church attendance or non-attendance. No tax in any amount, large or small, can be levied to support any religious activities or institutions, whatever they may be called, or whatever form they may adopt to teach or practice religion. Neither a state nor the Federal Government can, openly or secretly, participate in the affairs of any religious organizations or groups, and vice versa. In the words of Jefferson, the clause against establishment of religion by law was intended to erect “a wall of separation between church and State.” Reynolds v. United States, supra,at 164.

  • BarkingDawg

    From School District of Abington Township, Pennsylvania v. Schempp, 1963

    The public school is supported by the taxes which each citizen, regardless of his religion or his lack of it, is compelled to pay. The school, like the government, is simply a civil institution. It is secular, and not religious, in its purposes. The truths of the Bible are the truths of religion, which do not come within the province of the public school. . . . No one denies that they should be taught to the youth of the State. The constitution and the law do not interfere with such teaching, but they do banish theological polemics from the schools and the school districts. This is done not from any hostility to religion, but because it is no part of the duty of the State to teach religion — to take the money of all and apply it to teaching the children of all the religion of a part only. Instruction in religion must be voluntary.

  • BarkingDawg

    This is all a moot point. The school district has disciplined the coach and by now he has been reinstated.

    Hopefully he will have learned his lesson and not be conducting team prayers after the games anymore.

    The Constitution is not your enemy, people. It protects you as well.

  • http://howtosaveyoursoulandthoseofothers.com/ Dan Schumann

    Attention Atheists: Your soul will go on from this life for all of Eternity. It will either wind up in Heaven or Hell. God does not want your soul to go to Hell. It’s a place of perpetual Anguish and Terror. Satan hates all of humanity and wants you there with him. God wants you to be with him instead in Heaven where you will have a perfect body and soul and live with him in a perpetual state of Peace and Love for God is Love. Save your soul in this life for when you die it will be too late. It’s simple – http://howtosaveyoursoulandthoseofothers.com/

  • MalamuteMoutain Woodsman

    People in Hell want ice water but what they want verses what they’re going to get are two completely different things.

    They may not want Jesus or any mention of Him. But nobody can even take their next breath of oxygen let alone play a whole game or do anything without Him and His breath of Life!

  • BarkingDawg

    One more question.

    If the coach was leading the team in prayers of thanks after a team victory , what did they pray for when they lost? Did they ask god to smite the other team with fire and brimstone? Did they offer a prayer of thanks for letting the other team win?

  • Hildy_K

    Get ready for the liar to show its face. Jesus will not be tolerated once again. Accept the beast or place your faith, hope, trust in the Alpha and the Omega.

  • thefranks5

    Without religion the government of a free people cannot be maintained. — Benjamin Franklin.

    “Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, religion and morality are indispensable supports…. And let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion.” – George Washington

    Our nation has turned its back on God. It’s no longer a Christian nation. We’re only beginning to reap the consequences for that. Read the Old Testament to find out how God deals with rebellious nations. There are numerous examples.