Judge Rules Missouri Must Recognize Same-Sex ‘Marriages’ From Other States

two menKANSAS CITY — A circuit court judge in Missouri has ruled that officials must recognize same-sex ‘marriages’ from other states, striking down part of a voter-approved amendment recognizing marriage as being solely between a man and a woman.

In 2014, 20 homosexuals who tied the knot in other states sued the Missouri government for not recognizing their relationships as a marriage. Barrier v. Vasterling asserted that the prohibition “serves only to disparage and injure same-sex couples and their families.”

Ten years ago, 71 percent of voters approved an amendment to the state Constitution, which reads, “That to be valid and recognized in this state, a marriage shall exist only between a man and a woman.”

Oral argument was heard in the case last week, and on Friday, Jackson County Circuit Judge J. Dale Youngs issued a ruling in favor of the plaintiffs, declaring the state’s recognition of only male-female nuptials as a marriage to be unconstitutional.

“While having a standardized definition of marriage that promotes ‘consistency, uniformity and predictability’ may be a legitimate governmental interest,” he wrote, “there is no logical relationship between that interest and laws that discriminate against gay men and lesbians who have been married in jurisdictions in which same-sex marriages are legal.”

“Missouri has made the choice to regulate and in some cases, prohibit outright, the ability of certain couples to get married here,” Youngs also opined. “By singling out plaintiffs’ marriages for different treatment, the State defendants are singling out plaintiffs themselves and are doing so because of a characteristic that distinguishes them from other people: their sexual orientation.”

The American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) praised the decision following its release.

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“We’re gratified that the court recognized that married same-sex couples and their families are no different than other couples, and that the Constitution requires them to be treated equally,” ACLU attorney Tony Rothert stated. “This is not the first court to reach this conclusion, but it is the first court to do so in Missouri, so it’s a tremendous day for our state.”

“The Bible speaks very clearly against homosexuality,” Randall Moody, senior pastor of Wilson Creek Baptist Church in Battlefield, Missouri, told Christian News Network in 212. “[At our church], we just go back to the Bible, and we see that in the beginning, God created Adam and Eve, and it was not good for man to be alone.”

He also pointed to God’s law in Leviticus 18:22, which prohibits men from initiating sexual relations with other men.

“That was never God’s intention,” he advised. “The Bible says, “Does not nature itself teach you?”

He stated, however, that homosexuality is just as much of a sin as any sin.

“Two people living together outside of marriage is the same sin,” Moody said. “Just as if a man cheats on his wife.”


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  • Josh Weinstein

    Don’t expect the right-wing to take up the fight against adulterers or cohabiting opposite sex partners anytime soon. For them, being gay is the ONLY sin.

    • Mike843

      You mean like the Florida AG?

    • James Grimes

      Where are those sins discussed in this article? The only sin discussed here is homosexuality.

      • Josh Weinstein

        Sorry, I am correct and am not limited to speaking out against one sin. I can do so anytime and anywhere. Your restrictions are
        meaningless and your support of bigotry is pretty gross.

        • James Grimes

          And so says an atheist on a Christian forum…

          • Josh Weinstein

            I’m not an atheist and as to this forum being “Christian”, that is debatable.

          • Rose

            Then where do you stand on belief? And why do you not think this forum is Christian?

          • Josh Weinstein

            I’m Jewish, so yes, of course I believe in God. My comment about whether or not the forum was Christian was simple. I just see a lot of people being very judgmental here and not really exhibiting much thought for others, with some comments bordering on the hateful. Living in Indiana, most of the people I see every day are Christians (Indiana does not have a large Jewish population) and I have also volunteered at the local church for different projects. And the people I meet here don’t seem to have a shred of hatred in their hearts for anyone.

          • Rose

            The site’s creators don’t have anything to do with the comments below. I believe that, yes, some of the people can come off as hateful, but it’s mainly intolerance as James Grimes has explained to me before, and it’s mainly good intentions. I believe in ministering with the fruits of the spirit. And I’m sorry, but anyone can take the comment, ‘Your restrictions are
            meaningless and your support of bigotry is pretty gross’ as a personal attack mainly because you directed most of it to him. It would be different if you worded it, ‘I believe that the support of bigotry is wrong’ but that’s not what you said.

  • Mike843

    If Missouri had refused to recognize first cousin marriages from other states, or various other circumstances where they prohibit marriage, but recognize if performed elsewhere, they might have had a legal leg to stand on.

  • BarkingDawg

    By this time next year, same sex marriage will be legal in all 57 states and territories of the United States.

  • Michael E Clayton

    WTF IS THAT ONE’S STATE RULES OR LAWS SHOULD NOT TREAD ON ANOTHER STATES BELIEFS

  • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

    “The Bible speaks very clearly against homosexuality,” Randall Moody, senior pastor of Wilson Creek Baptist Church in Battlefield, Missouri, told Christian News Network in 212. “[At our church], we just go back to the Bible,” Actually, it doesn’t. But for those who insist on seeing it that way–keep it in your church will ya? Stop interfering in the lives of others who willingly take upon themselves the same responsibilities of marriage as you do.

    • James Grimes

      Pastor Moody is correct and he is not limited to speaking out against the sin. He can do so anytime and anywhere. Your restrictions are meaningless and your support of the deviants is pretty gross.

      • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

        Yes, he can. Anytime and anywhere. It’s a free country. Based on my reading of the Bible, he’s the deviant. And his basis for restricting marriage is meaningless. I would say your support of irrational prejudice is pretty gross. Words tossed back and forth. Let history prove one of us wrong. We’ll see.

        • James Grimes

          Your exegesis is faulty.

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            Your eisegesis is just that.

          • James Grimes

            Fortunately, I allow Scripture to speak for itself. I don’t read anything into it. When Scripture tells me something is a sin, I don’t twist the passage to make it say something else.

            My guess is that you belong to one of the apostate denominations where its support for the sin is tearing it apart. Am I correct? Which denomination are you associated with?

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            I wish you actually did let Scripture speak for itself. The truth is that more and more Christians will begin to see how this cruel taboo is being read into the Bible while the primary thrust of Scripture…to see the presence of God’s Spirit transforming ALL people by faith in Christ is being ignored. We’ve lived with this taboo for centuries. Just as the people of Peter and all the disciples lived with their taboo about gentiles. But they had the courage to overcome it. Sooner or later most Christians will see the truth about faith filled LGBT marriages. Time will tell. If you are the one with the real handle on the truth, surely it will become evident soon enough. In the mean time, who are we to hinder God?

          • James Grimes

            When I read 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, for example, there is only one correct interpretation. How can Anyone say that God is OK with homosexuality?

            Which denomination are you associated with?

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            Exactly. How can you read those verses about obviously cruel, selfish, reckless and criminal behavior and madly presume that a Christ centered LGBT married couple fits in that same bucket?? It’s crazy.
            Not that it will make any difference to you but I graduated from St Paul Bible College, now Crown College, affiliated with the Christian and Missionary Alliance denomination. I gave my life to Christ in a C&MA church.

          • James Grimes

            You will have to show me in Scripture where there are Christ – centered Gay “marriages.” IN my studies, in my devotions, and in any casual reading I have done, God only condemns homosexual behavior. He never says it is acceptable.

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            Well, you show me one other ‘sin’ which no Christian would regard as wrong except they think God said so in the Bible. When you think that through, you might begin to see that the Bible is talking about promiscuity and recklessness…not about a marriage between two believers who practice the same fidelity and Christian care for each other as we do in our marriages.

          • James Grimes

            You are being evasive. Our discussion has been about the sin of homosexuality, not about any other sin. Marriage has always been about the union of one man and one woman and in God’s eyes, it always will be. There hasn’t been any new revelation from God that has changed this.

            God has blessed us with the special revelation that He has given us in the Bible. It is our responsibility to be faithful to Him and His Word. We can’t abuse it.

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            Exactly my point. You ought not abuse the Scriptures. When the Scriptures give a list of abusive, selfish, harmful, criminal and cruel behaviors called ‘sin’ and then you assume that the behavior of two people which is identical to yours fits in that same category…are you not twisting the Scriptures??

          • James Grimes

            No, we’re not twisting Scripture. Those who say that Scripture supports Gay “marriage” are twisting Scripture. Jesus has spoken on marriage – one man and one woman. See Matthew 19:5.

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            Good grief. Try to think ‘context’, will you. Now we’re jumping off to proof text Mt 19:5. A beautiful argument for the sanctity of marriage and the harm of divorce…which you want to drag down into the muck so that you can say mine’s good because I’m joined as man and wife and theirs is bad ’cause they’re the same gender. Which has nothing to do with the context…is that not so? Jesus acknowledges marriage can be tough. It’s a very big commitment. It is ridiculous to deny marriage to a couple who is willing and able to make and keep that commitment.

          • James Grimes

            Two men together does NOT make for a marriage. You cannot use Scripture to justify this. Matthew 19:5 illustrates Jesus’ s definition of marriage – 1M+ 1W. Anything else is not a marriage. Call it something else.

            I had asked you earlier to show me where Scripture supports and approves of Gay “marriage.” Are you able to do that at this time?

            Finally, I would guess that at one time you held to the inerrancy and infallibility of God’s Word. What has happened since?

            Best wishes for a good and profitable Lord’s Day.

            Good night.

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            Any two people together who are only casually committed to each other or toss each other aside on a whim does not make a Christian marriage–gay or straight. Any two people who make the level of life-time, whole-hearted commitment illustrated by Christ in Matthew 19 have entered into a Christian marriage–gay or straight.
            When you discard Christ’s message about fervent commitment in marriage and replace it with something as shallow and meaningless as gender difference you have poisoned the message of the gospel. Consider Matthew 23:23.
            Now I gotta get dressed for Bible study and worship. Communion Sunday. Later.

          • James Grimes

            Where does Scripture tell us that anything other than one man and one woman is a marriage acceptable in God’s eyes?

            It all comes down to Scripture.

            Blessings for your Bible study and worship today.

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            Thanks. And blessings with you as well.
            I believe it does all come down to Scripture. And the Scripture described by the new Covenant is one of grace–God’s people now are known by the fruit of the Spirit. When the Spirit of God is evident in the Christ centered marriage of two persons, I will not hinder God by pretending it isn’t real and I certainly won’t misappropriate Scripture in order to hide my discomfort with their commitment.

          • James Grimes

            But… where is the Scripture that justifies this???

          • MC

            You’ll be waiting forever. He likes the made up liberal sugar coated gospel, you know the one that is contrary to the true Gospel that Jesus and the apostles preached. No wonder the liberal churches are dying.

          • James Grimes

            I have been praying for the man. I hope that he will recognize the error of his position and return to God’s Word as the absolute authority on the matter.

          • MC

            He’s definitely leaning on his own understanding.

          • Sha-wei

            I would advise caution, brother, in providing this deceiver with yet a greater platform from which to continue spewing forth his shameful doctrines of deception and militancy in favour of all that is unchristian. “Peter’s Legacy” is but another sock-puppet for the team of fifth-columnists bent on subverting our Bible-based positions by glib sophistry, by manipulative dialectics, by an affected yet wholly hypocritical piety. Beware the trap of his/her/their apparent objectivity and bon homie, for (they) serve (their) master the devil, and on persisting, will discover what an exacting paymaster he is.

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            Sheesh, I’m just one old Christian. Lighten up. I simply believe, based on the same Bible as yours, that your ‘team’ (if such there is) is doing the subverting in the matter of rejecting specific Christians that you don’t like. I do agree, however, that on persisting we will discover the truth of the matter.

          • James Grimes

            It’s really important that you rethink your position. No one here hates the sinner(s), but we cannot tolerate the sin. It’s not what we want; it’s what God has commanded and His Word is very specific as to what that is. You have chosen to disregard that and have substituted your own standards for God’s. That in itself is sin.

            As you have seen, the Christians on this site who have a correct understanding of the Bible have repudiated your erroneous position. It’s time to prayerfully reconsider. Go back to God’s Word.

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            A correct understanding of the Bible requires one to center one’s faith on Christ, not on prejudice. One is required to read ALL of the scripture in light of the gospel. This has been the case throughout Christian history. In contrast, proof-texting has always been the domain of those too blind to recognize the harm they cause both to the people who are victims of it and to the integrity of the faith it is meant to strengthen. I know you will never see it. But your grandchildren will grow to realize the harm this foolish prejudice, hidden behind misused Bible verses, has caused the faith that you foolishly believe you are defending.

          • James Grimes

            You can believe what you want. I’ll stick with what Scripture teaches.

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            That’s exactly what I was going to say to you.

          • Sha-wei

            No… You’re no Christian, as evidenced by your Machiavellian twisting of Scripture in order to advance your humanistic and perverted agenda. And you provide enough context clues in your tone, language register and overall commenting style, as well as in the pointed overtones of your online persona, to render your true identity as just another avatar of the SAME cabal of intriguers and saboteurs obvious.

            But your infiltration of Christian circles was written about long ago: “For some godless people have slipped in unnoticed among us, persons who distort the message about the grace of our God in order to excuse their immoral ways, and who reject Jesus Christ, our only Master and Lord”. “But long ago the Scriptures warned that these godless people were doomed.” (Jud. 1:4) This describes you and your confederates exactly.

            Will you blithely march to everlasting condemnation? Weep, get on your knees, cry out to the only One who can intercede for you that maybe, just maybe, YOU can obtain undeserved mercy and escape the rightful judgment that is about to
            descend upon a sinful world. On the other hand, proceed with what you are now doing, if you are happy to fulfill prophecy regarding the dismal place that has already been reserved for you in the hereafter.

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            Wow, you are a conspiracy theorist par excellence. For myself, I will continue to call for acceptance of all Christians regardless of gender orientation. As God said to Peter, “You must stop calling unclean what God has made clean.” I am more than willing to stand before judgment. I am confident you are in for a big surprise. And certainly in this world, year by year, you will see the growing acceptance of Christian couples who were previously condemned though their moral fibre was no different than any other Christian.

          • Sha-wei

            What new baboonery is this? Because you try to twist the inspired Word beyond all sense, you think we are ignorant of the basic points of Church history? How Peter was instructed to take the Gospel of Salvation to non-Jews as he himself attested to: “I now realize how true it is that God does not show favoritism but accepts from every NATION the one who fears him and does what is right”? By this, Peter understood that God had declared the GENTILES “clean”, too. (Acts 11:9)

            And subsequently, the brethren back in Jerusalem concurred: “So then, even to Gentiles God has granted repentance that leads to life.” This has nothing whatsoever to do with homosexuals, as you well know, child of darkness. But, of course, you will misuse Scripture to suit your nefarious agenda, and recklessly state: “I am more than willing to stand before judgment. I am confident you are in for a big surprise.” You poor, wretched man/woman! If you could only see the “big surprise” that awaits YOU!

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            I’m afraid you’re just too blinded by your own pride to read the Scripture honestly. But those who are will note that Peter had a vision where God explained that ‘unclean’ foods were no longer ‘unclean’. This was a shock to Peter. He had to hear it three times before he said OK. Notice that God never said a word about gentiles. Only ‘unclean’ food. Notice the centrality of circumcision to God’s covenant–“The uncircumcised male who is not circumcised in the flesh of his foreskin, that soul shall be cut off from his people. He has broken my covenant.” It was Peter who understood God’s message about the principle behind the revelation and decided, although God said no such thing, that uncircumcised gentiles could be included. Real Christians get the message of the Gospel. Phony Christians hide their biases behind some twisted verses that excuse their prejudice. Some Christians like you fell away from the early Christians because they couldn’t stand the idea that the basic, central element of God’s covenant no longer applied. Their distaste for the gentiles was exactly likely yours for the LGBT Christians.

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            Where is the Scripture that justifies denying marriage to Christians who live by the same level of fidelity and commitment as you? Why would you choose to see God as condemning people who practice the same fidelity and commitment as you? Where does the Scripture suggest that God is so utterly capricious? Where does Scripture define a God who just makes up rules for the heck of it and expects us to impose them on others when we have no basis in reality for doing so?

          • James Grimes

            I feel that I am on a merry – go – round with you. The reason that you are evasive is because there is no Scripture that justifies marriage as anything other than between one man and one woman.

            Your attempt to justify this abomination with appeals to emotions is not convincing in any way, shape, or form.

            I was hoping that through our discussion you would have gone into Scripture and prayerfully considered what God’s Word has commanded. It rests with God to show you the narrow path.

            Best wishes,
            James

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            Well, as my bumper sticker says, ‘Straight, but not narrow’. I have appreciated the discourse and I wish you well. Eventually most Christians will recognize that smearing Christ centered marriages with the word abomination is both immoral and unscriptural. As I said in the beginning…wait and see.

          • MC

            You need a bumper sticker tells the truth about you, it reads, “I support perpetual sin”.

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            You all keep throwing around the words ‘perverted’ and ‘abomination’. Why can’t any of you tell me what IS a perversion, what IS an abomination. If you could actually define it and then compare that definition to the life of the Christians you are condemning you would see your mistake. But because you refuse to think about what is measurably abominable and perverted you just hide behind scripture in order to condemn people who are as Christian as you are.

          • James Grimes

            I have NOT used the word “perversion” or any form of the word. Why such a rant?

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            oops, sorry, you haven’t used the word ‘perversion’. I’m glad to hear you don’t equate ‘abomination’ with ‘perversion’. But since none of you will provide an objective definition of either word, you might cut me some slack for getting confused. You do throw around ‘abomination’, as in “this abomination” and then there is “abhorred by most and a disgusting lifestyle” which is quite false. And then you call me an abomination…”Those who defend it are an abomination” (no offense taken) So, you’ll forgive me if I’m puzzled. What, exactly, is an abomination. I mean, sure, I could look it up in the dictionary. But when I do that, it bears no resemblance at all either to me or to the Christian couples you all have been condemning. So, you’ll understand when I admit to being confused and if you are at all Christian, you might be so kind as to tell me exactly what IS an ‘abomination’.

          • James Grimes

            The Bible uses ABOMINATION multiple times to describe the sin of homosexuality. Is there any reason why Christians who hold to the inerrancy of Scripture not use it? It refers to God’s total disgust of homosexuality.

            BTW, there is no talking around this one. I would appreciate that you do not post a long rant trying to do so.

            Have a great day.

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            Okay, so the word abomination specifically means ‘the sin of homosexuality’. So it’s like a secret handshake. Some invisible sin that no one knows or understands except God. What an odd God you worship.

          • James Grimes

            This is unbelievable. This has to be one of the most asinine comments I have seen on this forum. You are a deceiver. Our conversations are over. Go serve Satan, your master.

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            Bye. Sorry you get so riled. To be honest, I don’t really expect to change the minds of heart frozen, mind blinded, spirit dead zealots. But I do imagine troubled young Christians may be reading and, if they only read your ‘rants’, may come away with a burden of false guilt you have laid on them. As more and more Christians become aware that their orientation and their Christ centered commitment to another Christian is blessed rather than condemned by God, the more your horrible message will be seen for the tinkling cymbal and sounding brass that it is.

          • MC

            Leviticus 18:22 (NASB)

            ~’You shall not lie with a male as one lies

            with a female; it is an abomination.

            The word used by the ancient Hebrews for the word “LIE” in THIS verse is: shakab שָׁכַב

            to lie down

            to lie, lie down, lie on

            to lodge

            ***to lie (of sexual relations)***

            to lie down (in death)

            to rest, relax (fig)

            ***(Niphal) to be lain with (sexually)***

            ***(Pual) to be lain with (sexually)***

            (Hiphil) to make to lie down

            (Hophal) to be laid

            a primitive root; to lie down (for rest, ***sexual connection***, decease or any other purpose) :- × at all, cast down, ([over-]) lay (self) (down), (make to) lie (down, down to sleep, still, with), lodge, ravish, take rest, sleep, stay.

            The word used by the ancient Hebrews in THIS verse is tôʿēbâ.

            tow`eba htō·ā·vä’abomination, abominable thing, abominable.

            abominable (5),

            abominable act (1),

            abomination (39),

            abominations (60),

            detestable (2),

            detestable act (1),

            detestable thing (3),

            detestable things (3),

            loathsome (2),

            object of loathing (1).

            1 Corinthians 6:9-10 (NASB)

            [1Co 9] Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,

            [10] nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

            The Greek word for “effeminate” is:

            μαλακός

            malakos

            soft, soft to the touch, metaph. in a bad sense, effeminate, of a catamite

            ***of a boy kept for homosexual relations with a man

            ***of a male who submits his body to unnatural lewdness

            of a male prostitute

            The Greek word that Paul used for “homosexual” is:

            “Arsenokoités”

            ἀρσενοκοίτης

            From: arsén and koité

            arsén: male

            Transliteration: arsén

            Short Definition: male

            Word Origin

            a prim. word

            Definition

            male

            NASB Translation

            male (6), men (3).

            koité: a bed

            Original Word: κοίτη, ης, ἡ

            Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine

            Transliteration: koité

            Phonetic Spelling: (koy’-tay)

            Short Definition: a bed, marriage bed

            Definition: (a) a bed, (b) a marriage bed; pour: repeated ***(immoral) sexual intercourse.***

            Word Origin

            from keimai

            Definition

            a bed

            NASB Translation

            bed (2), conceived* (1), sexual promiscuity (1).

            Thayer’s Greek Lexicon

            STRONGS NT 2845: κοίτη

            κοίτη, κοίτης, ἡ (ΚΑΩ, ΚΑΙΩ, κεῖμαι akin to κοιμάω); from Homer, Odyssey 19, 341 down; the Sept. chiefly for מִשְׁכָּב, also for שְׁכָבָה etc.;

            a. a place for lying down, resting, sleeping in; a bed, couch:εἰς τήν κοίτην (see εἰμί, V. 2 a.) εἰσιν, Luke 11:7.

            b. specifically, the marriage-bed, as in the Tragg.: τήν κοίτηνμιαίνειν, of adultery (Josephus, Antiquities 2, 4, 5; Plutarch, de fluv. 8, 3), Hebrews 13:4.

            c. cohabitation, whether lawful or unlawful (Leviticus 15:4f, 21-25, etc.; Wis. 3:13, 16; Euripides, Med. 152; Alc. 249): plural, ***sexual intercourse*** (see περιπατέω, b. α.), Romans 13:13 (A. V. chambering); by metonymy, of the cause for the effect we have the peculiar expression κοίτην ἔχειν ἐκ τίνος, to have conceived by a man, Romans 9:10; κοίτη σπέρματος,Leviticus 15:16; Leviticus 22:4; Leviticus 18:20, 23 (here κοίτηεἰς σπερματισμόν); on these phrases cf. Fritzsche, Commentary on Romans 2, p. 291f.

            bed, chambering, cohabitation

            From keimai; a couch; by extension, cohabitation; by implication, the male sperm — bed, chambering, X conceive.

            arsenokoités

            arsenokoités: a sodomite.

            Transliteration: arsenokoités

            Short Definition: homosexuals

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            How elaborate. Now give us an analysis of “Pharisee” since your practice seems well acquainted.

          • James Grimes

            Ouch!

          • MC

            Preaching the truth of the Gospel does not make one a pharisee. I’m sorry you didn’t know that. 🙁

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            I’m sorry you didn’t realize that using Scripture to make yourself look holy at the expense of others does indeed make one a Pharisee. And you do it well.

          • MC

            Again, using Scripture is for teaching, reproof, and correction, it has nothing to do with “looking holy at the expense of others”. It only has to do with preaching the truth of the Gospel, the same Gospel that Jesus and the apostles preached. Trust me, I know how you liberal Christians work, as soon as you’re shown the truth of the Gospel you scream “Pharisee”, when you don’t agree, you’re no different than dealing with atheists. The problem for you both is that it’s the truth of the Gospel, not to mention 2000 years of Church history.

          • http://none.com Peter’s Legacy

            The truth of the gospel, i.e. Matthew 23, describes you to a T. You are correct about the proper use of Scripture. I wish you would comply. But as you so ably demonstrate, you would rather use it to look holy at the expense of others.

          • Rose

            I’m curious as to where in the bible it says that homosexuality is okay. I don’t understand what makes you believe that it is okay. That and how ‘Christ centered marriages’ are okay as well. Christ should come first in everything and if you don’t have God in your relationships, it ends horribly. If you can, please site where in the bible it says that homosexuality is okay, and where it says that ‘Christ centered marriages’ are bad. If you cannot then please do explain why you think so, because I don’t understand.

          • Sha-wei

            There is not a shred of divine sanction for homosexuality, in any of its guises, in the Bible. On the contrary, its practice (ALONG WITH adultery, incest and bestiality) accrued swift application of the death penalty. These behaviours, all basic, though deviant, sexual practices (with the “ceremonial male
            prostitution” interpretation a wishful bundle of bambosh), were variously termed as “perverted, detestable, wicked, disgraceful, dishonorable and impure” customs of the heathen, for which reason the Lord “abhorred those nations”, and was going to drive them from the land. (Lev. 20)

            Yahshua, during his earthly ministry, NEVER rescinded the prohibition on any of these behaviours but rather ratified the Creation-arrangement for marriages, consisting of one man and one woman, and which he recognized. (Mt. 19:4) Moreover, when he “nailed the statutes to the cross” at death, is anyone to believe that he was thereby abrogating the condemnation on homosexuality ALONG WITH adultery, incest and bestiality (since they are all part and parcel of the SAME SECTION
            of the SAME LAW CODE)?

            The early church understood the importance of “flee(ing) from sexual immorality” for “all other sins a person commits are outside the body, but whoever sins sexually, sins against their own body”; it thus perpetuated the ban on (all forms of) sexual immorality (as had always been verboten) at its first general council. (Acts 15:20) Paul further expounded in his writings on the eternal condemnation that stemmed from homosexual behavior . And, for good measure, Paul and Peter later instructed couples in the church on proper conjugal relations and these are ALWAYS phrased and understood, in context and philology, as addressing normal, heterosexual unions,
            i.e. between husbands (Greek: “aner”) and wives (Greek: “gyne”).

            So you see, Rose, there is absolutely no Biblical passage that stultiloquent deceivers can cite to bolster their contention that God smiles on homosexual pairings, for there is nothing divine, nor ecclesiastic – nor in the Judaic cultural context of the first century – to presume ENDORSEMENT of homosexual idiosyncrasies. That these pagan practices were allowed to creep into the “Christian” milieu in succeeding centuries, and have infected ostensibly Christian congregations today, speaks rather of the great falling away that was prophesied to ensue, and that is before us now. See that you have no part in it, and God bless.

          • James Grimes

            Excellent! Thanks for taking the time to go into great detail.

          • Sha-wei

            Glad to oblige, Bro. James.

          • Rose

            Thank you for enlightening me, God Bless

          • Sha-wei

            You’re most welcome.

          • James Grimes

            He cannot quote any Scripture to support his position. There isn’t a verse in the Bible that says homosexuality is OK with God. He is a deceiver who serves Satan, his real master.

          • Sha-wei

            “The message of the cross seems foolish to those who are lost and dying.” Note well, brother, the use of the present progressive tense in this version (NIRV), a tense employed here in numerous versions/translations of the Bible. Those afflicted with the dread disease of unrepented-of sin, tramp daily, gaily unheeding, toward the yawning chasm of the grave, from whence their ultimate and only destination is the lake of fire.

            This makes it all the more urgent to set about our duties as “ambassadors” and “open letters” of the coming Kingdom to emulate the single-minded zeal of that firebrand fisher of men, Richard Baxter: “I preached as never sure to preach again, and as a dying man to dying men.” God bless your efforts and those of the brethren in contending for that Truth that we have been given to discern, because “it is God’s power to us who are being saved”.

          • MC

            Thank you Brother for those encouraging words. God Bless you and your family.

          • James Grimes

            Thank you for a very comprehensive word(s) study.

        • Conservative Dasilva

          Its an abomination period based on the lords word

  • James Grimes

    Homosexuality is still a sin abhorred by most and a disgusting lifestyle. Those who defend it are an abomination to those who hold that God’s will trumps anything that man can use to excuse the sin.

    • MC

      Anyone who defends it is gay or a latent homosexual.

    • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ DavidHart

      A sexual orientation is not a “lifestyle.” Moreover, the fact that some people disapprove of homosexuality is really quite irrelevant.

      Here in America, we4 all but wiped out an indigenous people, we endorsed slavery and the systematic dehumanization of an entire race of people through segregation. In our name, our leaders have engaged in numerous pointless wars causing great death and misery. And now you think that God will be angry over a few gay people who love each other? Your misguided perception of God’s will is as irrelevant as your disapproval.

      • James Grimes

        I’m not interested.

    • Conservative Dasilva

      Amen,preach

  • Reason2012

    Jesus pointed out that marriage is between one man and one woman:

    Matthew 19:4-6 “And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

    Jesus even points out that for the cause of making them male and female, this is why male will leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife.

    Mark 10:5-7 “And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. (6) But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. (7) For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;”

    Jesus said God made them male and female – not male and male – not female and female.

    Jesus said man shall leave father and mother, not father and father, not mother and mother.

    Jesus said man shall cleave to his wife, not to his husband, not to her wife.

    Not to mention Jesus is God, so the entire Word of God is the Words of Christ. As Jesus is The Word.

    John 1:1-3 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (2) The same was in the beginning with God. (3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

    John 1:14 “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”

    The Lord rebukes us for our attempts to destroy what He defined as one man and one woman.

    It doesn’t work anymore to call any who do not agree with the attempts of activists to legally re-define morals as having a phobia or being a bigot – people are realizing those are the only hateful actions here.

    We need to get back to the truth of God.

    May God / Jesus Christ be glorified.

  • Reason2012

    There’s no such thing as homosexuals – only people who currently enjoy homosexuality. And adults continue to permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”, proving it’s not genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.

    And this is what God says about sin and specifically homosexuality:

    Romans 1:26-27 ”For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their_lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ”Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [men who willingly take on the part of a “woman” with another man], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [s odomites], (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

    1 Timothy 1:9-10 ”Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For_whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind [s odomites], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”

    Jude 1:7 ”Even as_Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

    Luke 17:29 ”[Jesus said] But the same day that Lot went out of_Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”

    Matthew 19:4-6 ”And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

    Jesus made it quite clear God made us male and female so that a man will leave his father and mother (not two fathers, not three mothers and so on) and cleave onto his wife (not his husband and so on).

    The Word of God rebukes us all – even if we all try to say we don’t believe the Bible, the very Word of God will be our judge when we face Him. And God is a righteous judge and will judge us all – not turn a blind eye to our sin. Do not be deceived by the world: it’s God we will have to convince that His word was a lie, not men. What happened in Noah’s day when the entire world rejected God? Did God spare them because there were so many? No – they all perished except for Noah and his family!

    Proverbs 9:10 ”The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.”

    God spared not His chosen people – we are kidding ourselves if we think He will spare the United States of America if we choose to blatantly turn away from Him.

    Jeremiah 12:17 ”But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.”

    Genesis 19:7-9 “And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. (8) Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. (9) And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.”

    Luke 17:28-30 “So also as it was in the days of Lot: they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; (29) but the day Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from the heaven and destroyed them all. (30) Even so it shall be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.”

  • http://www.slowlyboiledfrog.com/ DavidHart

    Ms. Clark continues to put defensive quotation marks around the word marriage. Doing so is petty and silly. In point of fact people are married when the state recognizes their union. It doesn’t require Ms. Clark’s approval. Nor, for that matter, does it require the approval of any religious order.

    This is a civil matter. Conservative Christians are wasting enormous amounts of capital on something that doesn’t affect them in any way whatsoever. In 20 years, young people will wonder; “What was that all about?”

    • Sha-wei

      Precisely. “…(T)he
      unspiritual man simply cannot accept the matters which the Spirit deals
      with—they just don’t make sense to him (‘it is foolishness to him’), for, after all, you must be
      spiritual to see spiritual things. The spiritual man, on the other hand,
      has an insight into the meaning of everything, though his insight may
      baffle the man of the world.” (1 Cor. 2:14,15)

      By all means, let us continue calling “evil, evil” and “good, good”, preaching the clear indictment of homosexuality that is found in Scripture, and, by all means, persisting in using pesky quotation marks for abominable practices that masquerade as “normal” ones. Conversely, let us not neglect to announce the forgiveness for homosexuality, also, that is to be found in Christ.

      • James Grimes

        Very well said. Thanks for sharing.

    • Reason2012

      Marriage is a religious institution created by God and has been around since the beginning – thousands of years. Man can only offer laws after the fact offering legal ramifications given their country’s laws. But for our country to redefine religious terms then pass laws to establish this new religion is a violation of the establishment clause.

      Doesn’t affect them? Tell that to business sued and receiving death threats if they now do not support male on male weddings. Tell that to all the parents of 5 year old kids who find out in schools homosexual activists in those states go in and expose kids to images and ideas of homosexuality – parents are not told and when they find out they are not allowed to opt their kids out of it “Shut up – it’s legal now” is the response. Google homosexual kindergarten to read all about growing number of cases.

      It’s flat out false that this new state religion of homosexual marriage where it’s almost illegal to even breath disagreement with it does not affect everyone else.

      • MC

        “Tell that to all the parents of 5 year old kids who find out in schools homosexual activists in those states go in and expose kids to images and ideas of homosexuality – parents are not told and when they find out they are not allowed to opt their kids out of it “shut up – it’s legal now” is the response.”

        They indoctrinate/brainwash the children into believing it’s normal so they can molest them easier. If a child is led to believe it’s normal then there’s less chance that the child will tell someone they’ve been molested. What they’re doing is making future victims of sex crimes.

  • MaryWaterton

    Tar and feather the judge, then run him out of Missouri on a rail.

    • BarkingDawg

      What a loving Christian you are.

      • Rose

        Nice to know someone out there gets jokes

  • BarkingDawg

    The Supreme Court of the United States just denied cert (in other words they will not hear) on the appeals from the lower court rulings striking down the state gay marriage bans.

    It’s over, Johnny.