‘I Refuse to Be Silent’: Writer Says Homosexuality ‘Shattered’ Her Marriage, Family

Broken Heart pdA mother and writer has generated much discussion following the publication of an article in which she shares her personal story of how homosexuality and same-sex “marriage” shattered her own marriage and family.

“I refuse to be silent,” wrote Janna Darnelle (a pen name used to protect her family’s identity), who states that behind many of the happy photographs in reports on same-sex “marriage,” there are untold stories of sorrow and pain. “I represent one of those real life stories that are kept in the shadows. I have personally felt the pain and devastation wrought by the propaganda that destroys natural families.”

Darnelle recalled that in 2007, her husband announced to her that he believed he was a homosexual, and that he wanted to file for divorce.

“In an instant, the world that I had known and loved—the life we had built together—was shattered,” she said, advising that she urged her husband to stay and fight for their marriage. “But my voice, my desires, my needs—and those of our two young children—no longer mattered to him. We had become disposable, because he had embraced one tiny word (gay) that had become his entire identity.”

She said that when the matter went to court, her husband sought primary custody of the couple’s children, and asserted that he deserved everything that he wanted in the divorce because he was a homosexual. He was granted his request, and later went on to “marry” his male partner with the children present—a photograph that was featured in USA Today.

“Commenters exclaimed at how beautiful this gay family was and congratulated my ex-husband and his new partner on the family that they ‘created,'” Darnelle recalled. “But there is a significant person missing from those pictures: the mother and abandoned wife.  . . .  I am missing. But I am real, and I represent hundreds upon thousands of spouses who have been betrayed and rejected.”

She later expressed concern about the life that he children are now exposed to and how it might affect their psyche as they try to understand their own manhood and womanhood. Her husband and children live in a condo with sixteen other homosexual men.

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“One of the men has a 19-year-old male prostitute who comes to service him. Another man, who functions as the father figure of this community, is in his late sixties and has a boyfriend in his twenties,” Darnelle outlined. “My children are brought to gay parties where they are the only children and where only alcoholic beverages are served. They are taken to transgender baseball games, gay rights fundraisers, and LGBT film festivals.”

[My daughter] needs a dad who will encourage her to embrace her femininity and beauty, but these qualities are parodied and distorted in her father’s world. Her dad wears make-up and sex bondage straps for Halloween. She is often exposed to men dressing as women,” she continued. “Her father should be protecting her sexuality. Instead, he is warping it.”

Darnelle explained that she understands that when a spouse announces that he or she is struggling with same-sex attractions, it may be difficult for them to resist temptation—but they must, just as a man who lusts for woman who is not his wife—do what is right for the sake of their own wedding vows.

“It is common for spouses to be attracted to other people—usually of the opposite sex, but sometimes of the same sex. Spouses who value their marriage do not act on those impulses,” she said. “A good marriage doesn’t only depend on sexual desire, which can come and go and is often out of our control. It depends on choosing to love, honor, and be faithful to one person, forsaking all others.”

Darnelle then urged readers to understand her side of the story, and why she feels that she must speak out for the others whose marriages and families have been torn part.

“My children and I have suffered great losses because of my former husband’s decision to identify as a gay man and throw away his life with us,” she said. “This type of devastation should never happen to another spouse or child. Please, I plead with you: defend marriage as being between one man and one woman. We must stand for marriage—and for the precious lives that marriage creates.”

Rivka Edelman reports that Darnelle has been the subject of much hostility and harassment following the publication of her now viral article, and that once one reader learned of her identity, he contacted her employer in an attempt to have her fired.


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  • Reason2012

    There’s no such thing as homosexuals – only people who currently enjoy homosexuality. And adults continue to permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”, proving it’s not genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.

    And this is what God says about sin and specifically homosexuality:

    Romans 1:26-27 ”For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their_lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

    1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ”Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [men who willingly take on the part of a “woman” with another man], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [s odomites], (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

    1 Timothy 1:9-10 ”Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For_whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind [s odomites], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”

    Jude 1:7 ”Even as_Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

    Luke 17:29 ”[Jesus said] But the same day that Lot went out of_Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”

    Matthew 19:4-6 ”And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

    Jesus made it quite clear God made us male and female so that a man will leave his father and mother (not two fathers, not three mothers and so on) and cleave onto his wife (not his husband and so on).

    The Word of God rebukes us all – even if we all try to say we don’t believe the Bible, the very Word of God will be our judge when we face Him. And God is a righteous judge and will judge us all – not turn a blind eye to our sin. Do not be deceived by the world: it’s God we will have to convince that His word was a lie, not men. What happened in Noah’s day when the entire world rejected God? Did God spare them because there were so many? No – they all perished except for Noah and his family!

    Proverbs 9:10 ”The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: and the knowledge of the holy is understanding.”

    God spared not His chosen people – we are kidding ourselves if we think He will spare the United States of America if we choose to blatantly turn away from Him.

    Jeremiah 12:17 ”But if they will not obey, I will utterly pluck up and destroy that nation, saith the LORD.”

    Genesis 19:7-9 “And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly. (8) Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. (9) And they said, Stand back. And they said again, This one fellow came in to sojourn, and he will needs be a judge: now will we deal worse with thee, than with them. And they pressed sore upon the man, even Lot, and came near to break the door.”

    Luke 17:28-30 “So also as it was in the days of Lot: they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; (29) but the day Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from the heaven and destroyed them all. (30) Even so it shall be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.”

    • brine

      2 Timothy 4:1 I charge thee therefore before God, and the Lord Jesus Christ, who shall judge the quick and the dead at his appearing and his kingdom;
      2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.
      3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
      4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

      The really sad part is when people that claim to be Christians ignore the clear teaching of scripture and help to propagate this wickedness…which is not ‘natural sin’ but a deeper marker of a people and nation. And as the plague spreads people cling to ‘well people’s minds are changing’. During Noah’s day 99.99999999% of the world disagreed with God…look how that worked out for them…willful ignorance….a generation clean in their own eyes but don’t realize they are filthy. That is God’s stamp on where we stand and not the opinion of a man.

      2 Peter 3:1 This second epistle, beloved, I now write unto you; in both which I stir up your pure minds by way of remembrance:
      2 That ye may be mindful of the words which were spoken before by the holy prophets, and of the commandment of us the apostles of the Lord and Saviour:

      3 Knowing this first, that there shall come in the last days scoffers, walking after their own lusts,
      4 And saying, Where is the promise of his coming? for since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation.

      5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

      6 Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished:

      7 But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
      8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

      9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

      10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
      11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
      12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

      13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

      • SW

        “There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.” – Galatians 3:28

        • brine

          That’s with regards to the ability to be saved. He doesn’t have classifications since some Jewish believers didn’t believe salvation was offered to gentiles, God isn’t a respecter of persons. Way to not rightly divide the Word.

          • SW

            LOL> It is specifically about how the law applied to the early church. Way to miss the point.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            Yes, spiritual speaking. Queers love to twist and pervert everything good.

        • DIANE LANE

          Geese are not human beings, which God made above animals! Furthermore, God also said to find a mate of the opposite sex, marry, raise children and die living a long and blessed life. What part don’t you understand?

          • Daniel Curtsinger

            Deuteronomy 22:28-29New International Version (NIV)

            28 If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, 29 he shall pay her father fifty shekels[a] of silver. He must marry the young woman, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives.

            Is this the biblical marriage we should understand? It almost doesn’t seem like the bible lays down the best guidelines for marriage…

          • Sientje Seinen

            well it would make you think twice before raping someone would it not, imagine you found out after she would make your life difficult to the extreme a great deterrent for man to keep it covered 😉

          • Nikki Travis

            This has to be the dumbest most illogical crass statement I have read this year… Please, go stick your head in a bird bath and try to breathe.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lol it hurts to use your brains once in awhile, the brains which the good Lord gave you, doesnt it?

          • Sientje Seinen

            also notice that God cast sleep upon Adam and took a rib and fashioned Eve for Adam as help mate From Adam;s side so she could be a help mate to him,not from his head, so that she could rule over him or from his feet so he could trample her underfoot, I think it is an excellent example.

          • Jimmie1151

            God says nothing against homosexuality in the original texts.

          • Duffy Ooten

            yes he did romans 1 23 to 32

          • Jimmie1151
          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            Oxymoron = gaychristian

          • Sientje Seinen

            gays are probably making up their own bible but the fear of the Lord will come upon them as the Lord tells us that “Anyone who takes away from the Word of the Holy scriptures, the plagues in the Holy scriptures will come upon them, and if anyone adds, his name will be taken out of the book of Life. and as Christ said “Fear God who has the power to cast ye into hell.”

          • raziel71

            You can not be a real Christian and be gay. Its one or the other.

          • Sientje Seinen

            :Leviticus 18 verse 22 “Man shall not lie with mankind it is an abomination, both of them shall be put to death and it will be upon their own head.” and christ who was sent by the Lord God of Israle. “Fear God who has the power to cast ye into hell” what more do you need, then Paul speaks of same that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.

          • Jimmie1151

            Leviticus 18:22, the wording of the original Hebrew is very different from the KJV form:

            “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind:
            it is abomination.” [Leviticus 18:22, King James Version]
            However, the original Hebrew for Leviticus 18:22 reveals a different 3rd meaning:

            “We-et-zakar lo’ tishkav mishkevey ‘ishshah” [Lev 18:22 Hebrew, Latinized] (“And-with a-male NOT lie-down in beds-of a-woman”) [Lev 18:22 literal translation]

            So, the Hebrew Leviticus 18:22 mentions: someone + a male + a woman; hence, a forbidden 3-way.

            Those 2 infamous Leviticus verses actually mention other women or wives, rather than male-male relationships, as is often the misinterpretation & mistranslation.

            When many aspects of Biblical issues are considered, there is no textual basis for misinterpreting & mistranslating Bible verses to condemn homosexuality: the original Hebrew & Greek texts of the Bible do not condemn homosexuality at all, and so, homosexuality should not be considered a sin by today’s society.

            Paul was condemning the common practice of male and female Pagan temple prostitution, common at that time, not against homosexuality.

          • Agent99SP

            Nice try…but God won’t buy it; and neither do any true Bible Believers. When you stand before God in His judgment (Rev 20:11-15), do you really believe He will accept your twisting of His Word?

            Also, since you position yourself as a teacher of others on the meaning of the Scripture, are you aware of the warning of James 3:1?:

            My brethren, let not many of you become teachers, knowing that we shall receive a stricter judgment.

            Since you’re warmed up with your Hebrew (and Greek?) take a stab at these verses:

            Lev 20:13 If a man lies with a male as he lies with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination. They shall surely be put to death. Their blood shall be upon them.

            Rom 1:26-32 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompense of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

            1Co 6:9-10 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.

            Jud 1:6-7 And the angels who did not keep their proper domain, but left their own abode, He has reserved in everlasting chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day; as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.

            Look Jimmie, you need to repent of your thinking and, if you are a homosexual, you must repent of that and all of your other sins too. You are in rebellion to the One, True and Holy God who created you and everything else. Whether you acknowledge it or not, God has the ultimate authority over you and He WILL exercise it over you, now and forever. He has clearly communicated both in creation (Gen 1:27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.) and in His Word that He is God (not you) and will define the only acceptable form of sexuality (one man, one woman, in the covenant of marriage for life). Anything else is sin and will be punished eternally if not repented of and covered by Christ.

            Once you die, it is too late! Today is the day for repentance and faith in Jesus Christ alone…the only One who can save you from eternal, conscious punishment where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth and the worm never dies.

            Repent of your sin and turn to Jesus Christ alone to save you. You have no other hope for this life or for eternity.

          • Sientje Seinen

            and in Romans Paul states “God gave them up….. ” it is even worse for you, if you try to change the meaning of the Word of God, as in revelation it tells you not to add or subtract anything of the Words written in the Holy scriptures and bringing the wrath of God upon yourself and mankind.

          • SW

            yes, because temple prostitution is totally relevant to gay people.

          • Sientje Seinen

            yes He does, Leviticus 18 verse 22 “Man shall not lie with mankind as with womankind, it is an abomination” and for these things G-d’s wrath comes upon mankind.

          • Jared Jenkins

            Wrong! He has condemned the barbaric practice in both the Old and New Testaments, and the original Hebrew and Greek texts very easily verifies that fact. Homosexuality is a dirty perversion that God will judge!

          • MichaelGC

            Diane, just because someone posts a link with a smug assertion, it doesn’t mean that they always know what they are talking about. See my reply.

            The other day I stopped at a Canadian geese crossing and saw a wonderful sight. Baby goslings crossing the road, with mom and dad (they are monogamous, mating for life) following behind, heads stretched high, watching carefully as their brood headed toward water.

            It made me think about how mating in nature is in earnest. Life is short and uncertain, and there is no time for nonsense.

            The current generation has to be replaced in time, with helpless young reared and gradually made independent, able to produce their own offspring in turn, for the cycle to continue.

            LIke mating, marriage has a purpose in the human condition. It is a means for people to be replaced. Eventually, we will pay for the contempt that we are showing marriage.

        • jmichael39

          You honestly want to compare humans to geese and still have people reading your posts take your seriously?! Come on back when you’re ready to actually use logic in your debating. You know…that thing that other animals don’t tend to have.

          • Jimmie1151

            You honestly think Geese are the only natural species to exhibit same sex pairing?
            1 Applying the term homosexual to animals
            2 Research
            3 Physiological basis
            4 Genetic basis
            5 Neurobiological basis
            6 Some selected species and groups
            6.1 Birds
            6.1.1 Black swans
            6.1.2 Gulls
            6.1.3 Ibises
            6.1.4 Mallards
            6.1.5 Penguins
            6.1.6 Vultures
            6.1.7 Pigeons
            6.2 Mammals
            6.2.1 Amazon Dolphin
            6.2.2 American Bison
            6.2.3 Bonobo and other apes
            6.2.4 Bottlenose dolphins
            6.2.5 Elephants
            6.2.6 Giraffes
            6.2.7 Monkeys
            6.2.8 Japanese macaque
            6.2.9 Lions
            6.2.10 Polecat
            6.2.11 Sheep
            6.2.12 Spotted Hyena
            6.3 Others
            6.3.1 Lizards
            6.3.2 Insects and arachnids
            6.3.2.1 Dragonflies
            6.3.2.2 Fruit flies
            6.3.2.3 Bed bugs

          • jmichael39

            and name a single one that has a conscience or even a conscious. There is no morality for beings without a conscience….or sense of morality. Unless, of course, you’re one of those who think that humans don’t have a conscience or a need for morality.

          • Jimmie1151

            Are you naive and heartless? Animals do have a conscience, they have feelings, they are more aware of the physical reality than we are. I had a a horse when I was a child. I fell and knocked myself unconscious. My horse dragged me to safety and went and convinced my neighbor to help. I lost my book, that day, and the next day my horse retrieved it for me. My horse had more a compassionate conscious than you seem to possess.
            http://www.earthintransition.org/2012/07/scientists-declare-nonhuman-animals-are-conscious/

          • jmichael39

            What in the world do feelings have with a conscience? A ‘conscience’ is “the inner sense of what is right or wrong in one’s conduct or motives, impelling one toward right action”.

            And a ‘conscious’ is not the feelings but the awareness of their own existence and those feelings.

            Did you even read that article or did you just read the headline and the ‘declaration’ heading and accept the conclusion without reading it. They don’t even define what they mean by ‘conscious’. At best they have some of the same “neurophysiological substrates of conscious states along with the capacity to exhibit intentional behaviors” – yes, “exhibit”…not HAVING intentional behavior. Gees. Do your research better than that.

          • Jimmie1151

            So my horse , Apache, did not have an inner sense that leaving me in distress was wrong? He didn’t go seek help from a neighbor because that was the right thing to do? He didn’t realize the day later that my distress would be remembered by him and made to be felt better by remembering I had dropped my book? Five years later, some mindless sociopath boys shot Apache in the testicles for fun, the infection killed him, he died in my arms, we had to put him out of his misery. I repeat, My horse had more compassion, more thoughtful mindful consciousness of others that those soulless boys or you!!!

          • jmichael39

            Glad you think so. BTW, I never said animals don’t have souls. I said they’re not capable of making moral decisions (a conscience) and not self aware (conscious). That has nothing to do with anything you speak of. But nevertheless, a wonderful animal.

          • Sha-wei

            Your spurious tale, in the service of your ongoing deception, is merely a vehicle for bolstering your godless inanity, and evidence of nothing more than your identity as one of the “children of wrath”.

          • Jimmie1151

            And assuming any godlessness on my part is absurd. Your angry and hostile reaction indicates a strong negative emotional connection to homosexuality, not consistent with a healthier heterosexual indifference.

          • Sientje Seinen

            that isnt compassion that is loyalty to those who treat them right, dogs do the same they will stay with their masters when they are sick, nothing spectacular about your case.

          • Jimmie1151

            That is your heartless and empty opinion. You are just lacking gods gift of compassion and empathy.

          • Sha-wei

            Anecdotal evidence, by their non-ascertainable character, are worthless on these forums. You have said nothing at all.

          • Jimmie1151

            And you have failed to provide credible evidence that homosexuality is wrong or unnatural , or argue against scientific evidence of an animal conscience, And most of all the energy you are putting into this indicates some emotional/denial connection to homosexuality.

          • Sientje Seinen

            since I guess you have no love for your creator the Word which God spoke doesnt mean anything to you, you are in rebellion against your creator the same as Lucifer or satan is

          • Jimmie1151

            Well, you guess wrong, ass evidenced pretty mush in everyone of your statements. Just because I have a more educated and expansive view, thatI learned studying ancient religion in collage, and that view does not match your more ignorant view, does not give you the right to declare what my experience is, speak for yourself. Besides, God really doesn’t appreciate public hypocrisy.

          • Sientje Seinen

            If you wish to continue in your sinfull ways and not repent of homosexuality which God has forbidden, then let satan be your master as you are ensnared to do his will by mocking Christ suffering on Calvary.

          • ken

            Sientje, I sit here and read your words, and it sickens me that a person of such strong faith as you seem to have, chooses to spew such hateful vomit out of your keyboard, you continue to degrade, people, sling mud and call people names. To be christian, means to be Christ like, and Christ was a teacher, he led people to his way of life, by showing love, even to those he condemned for example, Mary Magdalena the whore.. The Jesus I have come to know would weep at the way you drive people away from god, with your hatefulness, instead of drawing to the way of life you suggest by showing love and understanding.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you do not know our Lord Christ Jesus do you? as Mary Magdalene had seven evil spirits casted out of her, Christ loved her as she recognized Christ as Lord and saviour, and acknowledge Him as such, Notice how Christ chose to whip those who made the Temple or church a den of thieves instead of a :”House of prayer” Notice how He called those that mocked Him a “brood of vipers” and homosexuals do mock His suffering by making Christ an agent of sin. Christ gave His life for them to cease from their sinfull behaviour and return to the Lord God of Israel.” NOtice how he called out the lawyers telling them “woe be to them” Christ came to call Israel to repentance and not to indulge in your sinfull behavior and tell people God has given them approval for same. Then Christ suffering is in vain, as He said ”
            Do not think I have come to abolish the law, but to fullfill them. shame on you for holding Christ up to shame.

          • Sientje Seinen

            What I told you is the truth that the horse was loyal, which some animals are, it has nothing to do with conscience, they follow their master if the master speaks rough to a dog it cringes, not because it has a conscience. They are loyal to their master and explain compassion, you havent got a clue what it means.

          • Sientje Seinen

            that isnt conscience that is loyalty if you treat an animal right it will love you, I had a crow whom I brought up as a baby bird it fell out of the nest when it was not ready to fly had a broken wing and it followed me everywhere and when it came time for it to join its own kind, It would return every two weeks to visit me, and it would pick me out from all the other kids in the schoolyard, but that isnt conscience that is loyalty to those who treat them right. nothing compassionate about it.

          • Jimmie1151

            Sorry, science has overruled your theory, animals do have a form of consciousness. I’m sorry you weren’t able to see the consciousness of god in your crow, how sad.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you are dumb God created the animals and gave mankind dominion over them, He send me the bird for me to be kind to it, and take care of it, as God is the creator of all things great or small and we are to give praise and thanks to Him for all His benefits not to please our fleshly desires.

          • MichaelGC

            Cite?

          • jmichael39

            I guess by your logic, if seemingly “homosexual” acts among animals are in accordance with animal nature, then parental killing of offspring and intra-species devouring are also in accordance with animal nature. Bringing man into the equation complicates things further. Are we to conclude that filicide and cannibalism are according to human nature?

            In 1996, homosexual scientist Simon LeVay admitted that the evidence pointed to isolated acts, not to homosexuality:

            “Although homosexual behavior is very common in the animal world, it seems to be very uncommon that individual animals have a long-lasting predisposition to engage in such behavior to the exclusion of heterosexual activities. Thus, a homosexual orientation, if one can speak of such thing in animals, seems to be a rarity.”

            Cf. Simon LeVay, Queer Science: The Use and Abuse of Research into Homosexuality (Cambridge, Mass.: MIT Press, 1996). Bruce Bagemihl, Biological Exuberance: Animal Homosexuality and Natural Diversity (New York: St. Martin’s Press, 1999).

            Despite the “homosexual” appearances of some animal behavior, this behavior does not stem from a “homosexual” instinct that is part of animal nature. Dr. Antonio Pardo, Professor of Bioethics at the University of Navarre, Spain, explains:

            “Properly speaking, homosexuality does not exist among animals…. For reasons of survival, the reproductive instinct among animals is always directed towards an individual of the opposite sex. Therefore, an animal can never be homosexual as such. Nevertheless, the interaction of other instincts (particularly dominance) can result in behavior that appears to be homosexual. Such behavior cannot be equated with an animal homosexuality. All it means is that animal sexual behavior encompasses aspects beyond that of reproduction.”

            Antonio Pardo, “Aspectos mŽdicos de la homosexualidad,” Nuestro Tiempo, Jul.-Aug. 1995, pp. 82-89

          • Jimmie1151

            Why do homophobic bigots threatened by thinking about homosexuality resort to negative metaphors,not exclusive to homosexuals, that are exhibited by all orientations ? Your negative examples are just as relevant to the opposite sex orientation if not more. Your “theory” fails because it ignores that homosexuals are no more likely to engage in those negative examples than heterosexuals. If homosexuality was a rarity, it would not have survived 4.4 million years. Homosexuality may not be common, but it is not “rare” as thousands of species in nature prove.

            Survival does not require strict reproduction. Homosexuals are not sterile. Genetic important viability is enhanced when potentially important genetic offspring are abandoned or under threat from their natural parents. The “familial uncle” can provide a survivable condition for those abandoned or threatened desired genetic traits.

            Animals engaging is same sex pairings, sometimes for life, don’t decide, they just do. You obviously are not the run of the mill mindless homophobe, but you are nonetheless lacking the intellectual objectivity to step outside the emotional connection to homosexuality, thus your bias. I suggest you consider more carefully your position, in face of actual facts.
            http://www.livescience.com/19563-homophobia-hidden-homosexuals.html

          • jmichael39

            “Why do homophobic bigots threatened” – why do ignore morons resort to ad hominem and poisoning the well fallacies when trying to debate. See, I can do it too.

            ” Your “theory” fails because it ignores that homosexuals are no more likely to engage in those negative examples than heterosexuals.” – You completely miss the ‘theory’. I didn’t bring those examples up to suggest that ANY human, no matter their sexual orientation, are likely to do those things. I brought them up to refute your comparison of seemingly ‘homosexual’ behavior in animals as some form of justification for why humans are likely to do it.

            “Animals engaging is same sex pairings, sometimes for life, don’t decide, they just do.” – so what? Again, the point I made and stand by is that animals are not humans. They have no conscience. And they have, at best, a rudimentary awareness of themselves…consciousness. Humans clearly do.

            “You obviously are not the run of the mill mindless homophobe, but you are nonetheless lacking the intellectual objectivity to step outside the emotional connection to homosexuality” – first of all, I have no fear of homosexuals. You make obscene judgments will absolutely not one shred of evidence to support that accusation. Calling homosexual behavior a sin is by no stretch of the imagination a fear of that behavior…nor a hatred for the person engaging in it. You assume based upon false understanding of the Biblical message. Of course, that being said, I understand that many Christians also have a false understanding of the Biblical message and DO extend hatred towards homosexuals and fear of the behavior. I will choose not to take offense to the comment because of that. But I would request you show a bit less of the same prejudice I’m sure you think I and others like me have.

            Second, there IS an emotional connection in homosexuality. People don’t engage in homosexual behavior because they just have to…but because of the emotional connection that they have. Of course, that’s true of virtually any behavior we engage in as humans.

          • Sientje Seinen

            because you are spawns of satan, as it written in Genesis,
            I will put enmity between thee and the woman and between her seed and thy seed, it shall bruise thy head and ye shall bruise its heels.” Genesis 3 verse 14-15

          • Jimmie1151

            Nah, if any devilish thing is happening is your misinformed english version of the bible.

          • http://www.TrustChristOrGoToHell.org VINDICATOR

            HOMOSEXUAL & LESBIAN are DEMONS. Demons serve Satan the Destroyer. FACT.

          • SW

            LOL. If you think that is entertaining, you will love the Anime I’m watching. But seriously, people like you should be expunged from the gene pool.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Jesus our lOrd, called brood of vipers, spawns of satan, those whom mocked Him and did not harken unto His Word, they sought to kill Him, just as homosexuals try to put christians out of business or sue them for no reason at all. only because they hate the christians in their heart.

          • SW

            Christians are weak minded fools that adopt a set of beliefs to make themselves feel good.

            Gay people are born that way.

            If Christians are hated, its because of their pre-modern behavior and inability to adapt to modernity.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lol you are funny, and so miserable, as “friends with the world is enmity with God” and at least you are honest whereas most homosexuals tell us they are tolerant and loving, lol only when it comes to their own behaviour isnt that true?

          • Sientje Seinen

            If you wish to join the animals in your mating habits no one can stop you, but remember animals cant reason, cant write, cant read, and only go by instinct if you wish to become like that in your manners, may the Lord have mercy on you.

          • Sientje Seinen

            if you wish to bring yourself down to the animal level it seems appropriate that you cant reason either as animals neither can reason or have been given the laws written in Leviticus, animals go by instinct, so if you instinctively want to kill your neighbor or do nasty things to them, then you have descended to the level of animals.

        • MichaelGC

          You need to check that link again. There’s nothing there about geese, much less gay geese.

          BTW, Bruce Bagemihl, author of the book from which the wiki entry is drawn, is himself gay. It’s called seeing what you want to see, something scientists are supposed to be on guard against.

          He’s about the only one who’s written a book on the subject, so there’s not exactly a big body of work about flaming homosexuality throughout the animal kingdom, regardless of how much it is quoted.

          BTW, if a Lhasa Apso humps on your foot, does that mean it has a kinky foot fetish?

          http://www.nndb.com/people/033/000044898/

          • Daniel Curtsinger

            Penguins and dolphins also rape, does god still hold the same marriage standards? Is it 50 shellfish to the father for the marriage? Oh wait thats right, god hold shellfish in the same class as he holds homosexuality. But that’s different right? It can’t be Chinese food buffets that are gonna bring his wrath down upon America can it?

          • Sientje Seinen

            no those were dietary laws as homosexuality is a sin agains the body, When you eat shellfish, it passes through your stomach and so passes on. Not so with homosexuality as when God speaks about marriage as a woman and a man, He saith “and the tween shall become one.” Do homosexuals become one? and since the Israelites were travelling through the desert, shellfish would not keep very well in the heat. they were dietary laws.
            ,

        • Sientje Seinen

          that isnt true we could learn from the geese, they mate for life and look after their offspring, they even carry the humming birds on their backs when heading south, and they are called canadian geese as they always come back to hatch their egss in canada where their young are born.

        • 441019

          Geese mate for life–which is better than human beings do.

        • raziel71

          There is no homosexuality in animals. That is a distortion . Only human beings that reason can be homosexual. In the animal kingdom , where everything works according to hormones and impulses, sometimes there can be abnormal behaviour that shows dominance, not sexuality. If you want to lower yourself to the level of an animal that can reason ,then we can understand why you are so confused.

          • SW

            You definitely passed your science classes. On your way to middle school next?

          • raziel71

            You definitely read only pseudo science articles from the homopedo media machine. Maybe you should read some real science that is not related to your rainbow material subscription??

          • SW

            Lol. I went to a top tier school and worked in neuro labs starting in highschool. You literally wouldn’t even be allowed to walk across the campus I attended.

            I hear the duggars are casting. Maybe you found your calling.

          • raziel71

            Keep being a delusional leftard all you wish. Neuro labs in high school???LOL . Yep… there are a lot like you here in the net. You just proved how disturbed you are.

          • SW

            Lol. I guess when you are scraping the bottom of the barrel, any thing above average sounds delusional. You only make yourself look less educated.

        • raziel71

          You are completely twisting and misunderstanding the Bible. But,.. Jesus told us this was going to happen more than 2000 years ago.

      • lillyblack

        well said Brine !

      • Jimmie1151

        The reasoning your argument is based on is all mistranslated texts. Your foundational argument is just quicksand.

        • Sientje Seinen

          well to you Jimmie everything in the Bible would be mistranslated, as you do not have love for Christ or the Lord God in your heart, only to satisfy your own evil desires of the heart.

          • Jimmie1151

            In order for you to say that you would have to use some intelligent objectivity and read original texts. But since you haven’t, obviously, then criticizing an other over something you know absolutely nothing about, undermines your credibility, not mine.

          • Sientje Seinen

            well let see you quote from original texts, even the Jewish people whom were given the laws know that the practice of homosexuality is wrong, they leave it up to the Lord to judge your behaviour the same as I do, May He have mercy upon you.

    • Tara Sorensen

      Amen.

    • Jimmie1151

      Romans is taken from Paul’s philosophy on unbridled passion. It was pagan idolatry and temple sex rituals among heterosexuals that was the focus of Paul’s issue. Sexual orientation was not even discovered yet, so while same-sex behavior existed (almost exclusively pederasty or prostitution) it had nothing to do with gay people.

      Timothy 1:9-11 in the context of a vice of sins.
      after Paul, it was only 76 times in non-biblical Greek writings within 2000 years of Greek history…many times in a way that it would be impossible to mean homosexual.
      Example: Some do it (arsenkoites) with their own mothers and foster sisters or goddaughters. In fact men even commit arsenkoites with their wives!
      (-John, the faster. Patriarch of Constantinople. 575 AD)

      Your hideously mistranslations are operating on a false assumptions.

      • Reason2012

        Yes, those who insist on performing certain sins will try to pretend the Bible “doesn’t really” talk about homosexuality, but it most certainly does.

        “the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their_lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

        Men having_sex with other men is homosexuality. It’s God we’ll have to convince, not men.

        • Jimmie1151

          You are quoting the badly mistranslated King James version. Romans is taken from Paul’s philosophy on unbridled passion. It was pagan idolatry and temple sex rituals among heterosexuals that was the focus of Paul’s issue. Sexual orientation was not even discovered yet, so while same-sex behavior existed (almost exclusively pederasty or prostitution) it had nothing to do with gay people.

          As for 1 Corinthians 6:9. The issue with that verse is a mistranslation of a made up, obscure Greek word, Arsenokoites. Conservative Bible translators corrupted the verse, and translated it as “homosexuals” in 1959 A.D. Prior to that point, it never referred to gay people, especially not lesbians as Arseno means male. Yet, homosexual refers to women too. Obvious bias.

          No one really knows what it actually meant, however, in every classical usage of the word, it was always included in vice lists referring to economic exploitation . Never in the vice lists of sexual sins where it would be expected.

          Philo, a contemporary of Paul viewed it as referring to Pagan male and female temple prostitution in the Greco-Roman temples, not a condemnation of homosexuality/

          Read more: http://www.city-data.com/forum/christianity/1476712-romans-1-26-27-how-not.html#ixzz3G9abVVt2

          • Reason2012

            Hello. A man lusting after a man is exactly what it says in the Greek and it says more of the same in the Hebrew in the OT. Of course “sexual orientation” was not “discovered” – because there’s no such thing! People have MANY perverted lusts – men lusting for other men is just one of those many perverted lusts.

            “abusers of themselves with mankind” is what the Greek word arsenokoitēs is translated into:

            ar-sen-ok-oy’-tace
            From G730 and G2845; a sodomite: – abuser of (that defile) self with mankind.

            The only ones who claim to “not know” what it means are those who are trying to justify that perversion. A man lusting after a man is talking about homosexual lusts – not just mere prostitution. There are plenty of Greek words and hence verses that speak of prostitution. This verse goes into the abomination of a male lusting after another male.

          • Jimmie1151

            The original texts was warning heterosexual married men to stay faithful to their wives, no three ways, no using Pagan temple prostitutes (extremely common at that time) and nothing against homosexuals.

          • Sientje Seinen

            keep up the excused Jimmie you are not a repenting person and the Lord God Himself will be your judge, and He has forbidden same, and christ suffered for this on calvary, So if you wish to provoke the Lord God to anger, keep on sinning and dont listen to the Word of Christ or Lord who told the adulteress and everyone of us “Go and sin no More.”: repent.

          • Jimmie1151

            It is an abomination to arrogantly speak for god.

          • Reason2012

            False. The Bible says otherwise.

            Romans 1:26-27 ”For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: (27) And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their_lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.”

            1 Corinthians 6:9-10 ”Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate [men who willingly take on the part of a “woman” with another man], nor abusers of themselves with mankind [s odomites], (10) Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.”

            1 Timothy 1:9-10 ”Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, (10) For_whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind [s odomites], for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;”

            Jude 1:7 ”Even as_Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”

            Luke 17:29 ”[Jesus said] But the same day that Lot went out of_Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”

            Matthew 19:4-6 ”And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

            Luke 17:28-30 “So also as it was in the days of Lot: they ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; (29) but the day Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from the heaven and destroyed them all. (30) Even so it shall be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed.”

      • Sientje Seinen

        not true,pagan rome was rampant with homosexuality and the reason christians were thrown to the lions as they protested this practice, Do you really want us to go back to those dark ages, where paganism was practiced and christians were martyred?

        • Jimmie1151

          Wow!! Where did you get that fantasy story from? The dark ages came after Rome fell, dear, and people weren’t thrown into the colosseum because of homosexuality, that is too far out on a limb.

      • Sientje Seinen

        Also Rome the vatican is the seat of satan, also known as the Whore of Babylon and you put your trust in Rome and its pagan practices, do not know that Isis has put their flag over Rome?

        • Jimmie1151

          I’m beginning to think you needs medication, you don’t make sense.

    • LeftleaningTx

      I jump with joy knowing the pain that you will experience when the Supreme Court rules in JUNE that denying gay people the right to marry is a violation of their civil / equal rights. This ruling will usher in a host of other gay rights as well.
      Knowing that bigots like you will resist this until the day you die gives me a sense of peace knowing that there IS order in the universe and that you will suffer for all the suffering that you’ve caused for others.

  • BarkingDawg

    What, did Michele finally realize that Marcus was on the down low?

    • vivkingswood

      LOL

  • SW

    LOL. You Christians and science…. Look up “Sexually dimorphic nucleus”. You are born gay, its sad he lied to you, but seriously just move on. You can’t change his sexual orientation, but you don’t have to act like a shattered prom queen for the rest of your life.

    • brine

      All the readings done in mainstream publications have been disappointed in the fact that despite millions of dollars being spent there is no ‘gay gene’. Homosexuality is a choice. Had a gay gene been found it would have been in the news and every paper in the world every day since the discovery. There is a ‘sin gene’ in that we are born with sinful flesh…and all people have pullings towards certain sins…but it is a choice to submit to the flesh and not to a Righteous and Holy God, Who saw our weakness and provided a Sacrifice that gave us a way out. But people, as they have the freedom to do, can and do refuse it. But all actions have consequences…some just more eternal than others. ‘Except ye repent you shall all likewise perish.”

      • SW

        LOL. Christians grasping at straws and concepts they can’t possibly hold. It’s not a gene. Its a series of genes that give females the ability to regulate the sexual orientation of their offspring. And yes, not only do they result in gay men, but they have also been shown (repeatedly) to increase the fertility of the females as well. Seriously the intelligence on this site makes me laugh.

        • vivkingswood

          It’s fun though!

        • Cutenu2

          It is YOU that is grasping at straws. You can spin it any way you like, but homosexuality is an addiction just like any other. You’re not fooling anyone but yourself and those that think as you.

          • Jimmie1151

            So, in order to recognize addiction, one must be able to emotionally connect to that feeling in order to resist becoming addicted. So when did you realize you had a predilection toward Homosexuality and how long have you successfully avoided becoming addicted?

          • Sientje Seinen

            you gave into temptation, like an alcoholic gives into the temptation to drink and is unable to stop, so it is with homosexuality you are tempted by satan, and once he has you in his grip, you are now a sex slave doing his bidding

          • Jimmie1151

            ME? Who said I was gay? Your sick bigoted obsession with homosexuality thinks everyone who fights homosexual bigotry is gay? You are the one who’s satanic bigoted delusional hatred, is making you see gay people everywhere. Get help.

          • Jimmie1151

            You keep hallucinating that I’m gay, you have inadvertently exposed YOUR sexual fantasies.No wonder your driven to madness. How terribly sad.

          • SW

            LOL. It is a specific region of the brain. THe science is absurdly clear. Christians only prove they are worthless.

        • MichaelGC

          Um, no cite?

          Here’s one for you (caps mine)

          “Homosexuality is not a lot of things. It is not a makeshift in the absence of the opposite sex; it is not a hatred or rejection
          of the opposite sex; IT IS NOT GENETIC . . . .”
          San Francisco Gay Manifesto, 1970

          http://library.gayhomeland.org/0006/EN/A_Gay_Manifesto.htm

          Interesting, isn’t it? First, homosexuals say that their condition has nothing to do with genes, then they say it has everything to do with genes.

          You have to wonder what they will be saying tomorrow.

      • Billygoat72

        So where is the “straight gene”. And if it was a choice, when did you make that decision in life. When did you reach that crossroad and think, gay or straight? You are seeing more gay people out there because there is not the same level of prosecution as there was as little as 20 years ago. So yes, they have always been there and there will keep coming. Oh, and explain gay activity in the animal kingdom.

        • brine

          A cell becomes cancerous when it is corrupted. A person chooses homosexuality when they give in to some sort of corruption.Your ‘when did you choose to become straight’ is a flawed principle. Homosexuality in the animal kingdom…this entire planet and its systems are working to a state of decay because of sin…that affects the entire planet…that is why we have illness and death. Sin brought that on. And within the past two years there was a radio show that discussed that…mainstream not ‘Christian radio’ that discusses homosexuality in animals…and the viewed behavior occurred typically in instances where they were forced in to unnatural circumstances.

        • Sientje Seinen

          There is not straight gene, it is because we have love for Christ and God in our hearts and we revere His Word, that satan cannot touch us, as He is our shepherd who is a ;lamp unto our feet, since you do not revere the Word of God, the Lord also witholds his protection from you, unless you repent and turn to Him with a contrite spirit and He will abundantly pardon. repent

      • Jimmie1151

        There is no orientation gene for any sexual preference, surprise!!!!

    • DIANE LANE

      they did a new study which disproved it…please keep up!

      • MickeyC

        Nope, there is no such study. All scientific and medical organization state that homosexuality is a normal variation in human sexuality. Only very uneducated people don’t know this.

        • vivkingswood

          SHHH! You’re making too much sense! And besides, there’s no chapter in the bible about genes, therefore they don’t exist. Women are made from men’s ribs. Duh.

          • Jimmie1151

            But did you read that very sophisticated ( for that time period) recipe for abortion in the bible?

          • Sientje Seinen

            it was a deterrent for women to cheat on their husbands wasnt it, as they had to show themselves to the priest, if the husband suspected it wasnt his child, therefore she had to drink a potion and if she aborted it wasnt his child. see a great deterrent as it was a deterrent for to stone homosexuals to keep them from recruitng others to their perverted way of life.

          • Jimmie1151

            And thus, abortion was accepted in the bible.

    • John Buchanan

      Sin is a choice , therefore homosexuality is a choice. Romans 1 makes it clear that homosexuality and lesbianism are not only a choice , but a degrading one, unnatural, sinful, separating one from the life of God and not without penalty. The Bible makes it clear from the beginning that we are created male and female in the Genesis account as God’s heart and design for replenishing the earth. Scripture would say men were created for men’s sexual gratification if it were otherwise . The Apostle Paul made it clear that homosexuals would not see heaven and the book of Jude not only reinforces but says that those who partake of sodomy are being prepared for eternal fire

      • Jimmie1151

        Nah, murder, sex outside marriage, theft, the ten commandments borrowed from the Egyptian book of the dead are “sins”, nothing against homosexuality in the bible. Paul was talking about male and female prostitution in Pagan temples, a big money maker at that time, warning heterosexual married men to be faithful,but nothing against homosexuality as a whole.

        • John Buchanan

          Jimmie, have you ever heard of selective listening ?
          Romans 1- They exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshipped and served created things rather than the Creator. Because of this , God gave them over to shameful lusts . Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones . In the same way men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men , and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
          Seems pretty clear to me Jimmie. When God says someone is in error, is depraved, committing acts that are unnatural, sinful, degrading, separating one from God , wicked, evil, deviant, and not without penalty, it’s not open for interpretation. Homosexuality and lesbianism is sin against God and an abomination. Don’t be deceived. God is not mocked.

          • Jimmie1151

            I realize it must be a shock to realize one has been influenced their entire life by a hideous mistranslation of the bible, but what I’m telling you is what you assume in Romans against homosexuals is completely wrong. Paul was addressing married men warning them against Pagan rituals, he was not condemning homosexuals as a whole. Paul was saying married men should stay faithful, nothing about same sex relationships.

            The sex sins in the bible were directed at married men, I’m sorry your selected misinterpretations are disturbing. Consider, objectively, this is an opportunity to investigate original texts and receive a clearer message of god’s will.

          • John Buchanan

            Jimmie, I read them all , King James, NIV, Amplifield, Life Application,Message,Dakes,Schofield Reference, and couldn’t find that. Are you reading the Barney Frank Translation with commentary by Elton John and Rosie McDonald ?

          • Jimmie1151

            Well, we can safely assume your reading and comprehensive skills suck. Literal Translation- . In the New Testament, the two verses 1 Corinthians 6:9 & 1 Timothy 1:10 are often mistranslated as condemning homosexuality in English Bibles (but not in the Roman Latin Vulgate Bible or the 1545 German Bible of Martin Luther). Mistranslation is based on two ancient Greek words “malakoi” & “arsenokoitai” (Greek letters “ARSENOKOITAI ” literally, “male-beds”), which was a new word used by Paul (Saul) at the time and not a common term for homo-sexuality. Because Paul was speaking in a religious context, the word “arsenokoitai” has been translated as referring to male-pimps or customers in temple prostitution, a common practice in so-called pagan rituals widespread in Temple Cult worship of the time. [The minor term “malakoi” (used to describe “soft” clothing) is non-sexual and has been translated as “effeminate” (KJV), although others state “weaklings” or “morally weak, lazy” men.]

            Rarity of Words- . The ancient Greek word “arsenokoitai” occurs in only those 2 verses, 1 Corinthians 6:9 & 1 Timothy 1:10. Logically, if homosexuality were considered a sin, there should be many verses about it, and the word “arsenokoitai” would occur more than twice if it had referred to a major issue, such as homosexuality; the rarity of the word fits the logical translation: the word “arsenokoitai” refers to the rare practice of temple prostitution, not general homosexuality. (See: 73 references to arsenokoit* found in TLG E Feb/2000, “http://www.jeramyt.org/gay/arsenok.htm”.) Yet, precisely because the word is so rare and had no formal definition, the word “arsenokoitai” is crucial in fostering misinterpretation of the Bible: a more common word could not be so easily redefined.

            Priorities – . The verses in the Bible follow certain priorities: for example, the words “adultery” or “adulteress/adulterer” (Greek “moixoi” ) occur 47 times in the King James Version; however, the word “arsenokoitai” occurs only 2 times, and the common terms of that time period about homosexual activity are not mentioned in the Bible at all (such as man-boy pairing, Greek “erastes-eromenos”). Condemning homosexuality in Biblical times was not an issue, not a priority, at all.

            A Sanity- Test – . Since adultery & adulterer are mentioned 47 times in the King James Version, it could be expected that a sin would be mentioned many times in the Bible: the condemnation of lying/liars occurs over 70 times (“liar” 21 times, “false witness” 19, “lying” lips/tongues 31 times); murder is prohibited 35+ times (“murderer” 20 etc.); and stealing is condemned 73+ times (“steal” 23 times, “thief/robber” 50+, except stealing for food: Proverbs 6:30 “Men do not despise a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry.” [KJV]). However, the common terms (used in those days) to describe homosexual activity are not even mentioned. It doesn’t make sense to translate a few rare words & phrases as condemning homosexuality, when specific sins are mentioned many times in the Bible–it simply doesn’t pass a sanity-test.

            A Reality- Test – . During the time period of 1 Corinthians 6:9 & 1 Timothy^ 1:10,:the word “arsenokoitai” occurred in only a few religious writings, such as a later text describing Adam deceived to have sex with serpent-god Naas. The erotic literature of the period never used the word “arsenokoitai” but used other ancient Greek terms (“erastes-eromenos”: man-boy pairing) to describe homosexual practices, and those Greek terms were never mentioned in the Greek texts of the Bible. To try to re-interpret & translate other Bible verses into condemning those specific (unnamed) acts is just not realistic–it doesn’t pass a reality-test (“reality_check”). The translation of the ancient Greek New Testament must fit the language & cultures of the time period. The translation must match the reality of that era.

            Old-Testament Literal Translation – . The infamous verse Leviticus 20:13, often used to condemn homosexuality, is about a married-man with another male, in the “marriage-bed” as with his wife. See the Latinized Greek for Leviticus 20:13 below:

            “Kai hos an koimEthE meta arsenos koitEn
            gunaikos, bdelugma epoiEsan amphoteroi;
            thanatousthwsan, enoichoi eisin.” [Lev 20:13 in Greek Septuagint LXX]. The translation of the Greek term ‘gunaikos’ is interpreted to mean: wife. Hence, the verse actually forbids male-male adultery, pertaining only to a married man.

            Similarly, for Leviticus 18:22, the wording of the original Hebrew is very different from the KJV form:

            “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind:
            it is abomination.” [Leviticus 18:22, King James Version]
            However, the original Hebrew for Leviticus 18:22 reveals a different 3rd meaning:

            “We-et-zakar lo’ tishkav mishkevey ‘ishshah” [Lev 18:22 Hebrew, Latinized] (“And-with a-male NOT lie-down in beds-of a-woman”) [Lev 18:22 literal translation]

            So, the Hebrew Leviticus 18:22 mentions: someone + a male + a woman; hence, a forbidden 3-way.

            Those 2 infamous Leviticus verses actually mention other women or wives, rather than male-male relationships, as is often the misinterpretation & mistranslation.

            When many aspects of Biblical issues are considered, there is no textual basis for misinterpreting & mistranslating Bible verses to condemn homosexuality: the original Hebrew & Greek texts of the Bible do not condemn homosexuality at all, and so, homosexuality should not be considered a sin by today’s society.

            http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt83726.html

          • Sha-wei

            “Ancient Israel

            Throughout most of the history of ancient Israel, INTERCOURSE BETWEEN MALES was condemned outright as an “abomination” and Mosaic Law demanded the death penalty for those men who “lie with a man as with a woman.”[125] Other aspects of same-sex relations were not discussed. There are no recorded cases[citation needed] of punishment for homosexuality in ancient Israel. (Emphasis mine.)

            Early Christianity

            Main article: Homosexuality and Christianity

            Many contend that from its earliest days, Christianity followed the HEBREW
            TRADITION OF CONDEMNATION OF MALE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE and certain forms
            of sexual relations between men and women, labeling both as sodomy. Some contemporary Christian scholars dispute this however. The teachings of Jesus Christ
            encouraged a turning away from and forgiveness of sin, including those
            sins of sexual impurity, although Jesus never referred to homosexuality
            specifically. Jesus was known as a defender of those whose sexual sins
            were condemned by the Pharisees. At the same time, Jesus strongly upheld the Ten Commandments and urged those whose sexual sins were forgiven to, “go, and sin no more”.[126]

            Saint Paul
            was even more explicit in his condemnation of sinful behavior,
            including sodomy, saying, “Know you not that the unjust shall not
            possess the kingdom of God? Do not err: neither fornicators, nor
            idolaters, nor adulterers, nor the effeminate, nor liers with mankind,
            nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor railers, nor extortioners,
            shall possess the kingdom of God.”[127] However, the exact meanings of two of the ancient Greek words
            that Paul used that supposedly refer to homosexuality are disputed
            amongst scholars. In the Septuagint translation of the Old Testament,
            however, the relevant words employed in 1 Corinthians and 1 Timothy are
            the SAME WORDS employed in Leviticus 18 to denote male-on-male homosexuals.” (Emphasis mine throughout.)

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Societal_attitudes_toward_homosexuality#Ancient_Israel

            “What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew..? Much in every way! First of all, the Jews have been entrusted with the very words of God.” (Rom. 3:1-2)

          • Jimmie1151

            Sorry, the old testament has been horribly mistranslated and misinterpreted. Old-Testament Literal Translation – . The infamous verse Leviticus 20:13, often used to condemn homosexuality, is about a married-man with another male, in the “marriage-bed” as with his wife. See the Latinized Greek for Leviticus 20:13 below:

            “Kai hos an koimEthE meta arsenos koitEn
            gunaikos, bdelugma epoiEsan amphoteroi;
            thanatousthwsan, enoichoi eisin.” [Lev 20:13 in Greek Septuagint LXX]. The translation of the Greek term ‘gunaikos’ is interpreted to mean: wife. Hence, the verse actually forbids male-male adultery, pertaining only to a married man.

            Similarly, for Leviticus 18:22, the wording of the original Hebrew is very different from the KJV form:

            “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind:
            it is abomination.” [Leviticus 18:22, King James Version]
            However, the original Hebrew for Leviticus 18:22 reveals a different 3rd meaning:

            “We-et-zakar lo’ tishkav mishkevey ‘ishshah” [Lev 18:22 Hebrew, Latinized] (“And-with a-male NOT lie-down in beds-of a-woman”) [Lev 18:22 literal translation]

            So, the Hebrew Leviticus 18:22 mentions: someone + a male + a woman; hence, a forbidden 3-way.

            Those 2 infamous Leviticus verses actually mention other women or wives, rather than male-male relationships, as is often the misinterpretation & mistranslation.

          • Sha-wei

            Countless convolutions to the contrary, the FACT remains: the ancient Israelites considered HOMOSEXUALITY (male-on-male sex, sodomy, of the garden-variety type, a SIN. A sexual sin punishable by death. And guess what? Modern-day observant
            Jews still do, although they might not call for the actual death of the perpetrators. So you see, it is not a matter of what “translation” of the Bible one employs, but of the very simple fact that homosexuality was viewed within Hebrew culture, as informed by the Torah, as SINFUL. Yahshua, keeper of the Law
            in its totality, NEVER rescinded this proscription. He would have had to abrogate the penalty for adultery, incest and bestiality as well, given the placement of the SIN of homosexuality in the SAME SECTION OF THE SAME LAW CODE.

            The early Church, for its part, maintained said set of moral prohibitions. So, NAYSAY to your corrupt heart’s content, you can change nothing of the FACTS of history. (Given your paid/agenda-driven disinformant status, what else can you
            do?) But for good measure, some additional information to cement my point about the clear and implicit SINFULNESS of HOMOSEXUALITY, viewed through Jewish eyes (“What advantage, then, is there in being a Jew..? Much in every way! First of all, the Jews have been entrusted with the very words of God.” (Rom. 3:1-2):

            “Homosexuality in the Hebrew Bible

            The TRADITIONAL viewpoint is that the Torah mentions
            homosexuality twice in the book of Leviticus (JPS):

            וְאֶת-זָכָר—לֹא תִשְׁכַּב, מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה: תּוֹעֵבָה, הִוא.

            Lev.18:22 “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind; it is
            detestable.”

            וְאִישׁ, אֲשֶׁר יִשְׁכַּב אֶת-זָכָר מִשְׁכְּבֵי אִשָּׁה—תּוֹעֵבָה עָשׂוּ,
            שְׁנֵיהֶם; מוֹת יוּמָתוּ, דְּמֵיהֶם בָּם.

            Lev.20:13 “And if a man lie with mankind, as with womankind, both of
            them have committed a detestable act: they shall surely be put to death; their
            blood shall be upon them.”

            Rabbinic Jewish application and interpretation of these verses

            Applicability of Biblical death penalty

            Like many similar commandments, the stated punishment for willful violation
            is the death penalty. However, even in Biblical times, it
            was very difficult to get a conviction that would lead to this prescribed
            punishment. The Jewish Oral Law states that capital punishment would only be
            applicable if two men were caught in the act of anal sex, if there were two
            witnesses to the act, if the two witnesses warned the men involved that they
            committed a capital offense, and the two men — or the willing party, in case of
            rape — subsequently acknowledged the warning but continued to engage in the
            prohibited act anyway. In fact, there is no account of capital punishment, in
            regards to this law, in Jewish history.

            Rabbinic tradition understands the Torah’s system of capital punishment to
            not be in effect for the past approximately 2,000 years, in the absence of a Sanhedrin and
            Temple.[1]

            Classical rabbinic Jewish sources do not specifically mention that
            homosexual attraction is inherently sinful. However, someone who has had
            homosexual intercourse is considered to have violated a prohibition.[citation
            needed] If he does teshuva
            (repentance)—i.e., he CEASES his FORBIDDEN actions, REGRETS what he has done, APOLOGIZES
            to God, and makes a binding resolution NEVER TO REPEAT those actions, he is
            seen to be forgiven by God.[2]

            (Emphasis mine throughout.)

            Orthodox Jewish views

            While a variety of views regarding homosexuality as an inclination or status
            exist within the Orthodox Jewish community, Orthodox Judaism
            generally PROHIBITS HOMOSEXUAL conduct. While there is disagreement about which
            acts come under core prohibitions, all of Orthodox Judaism puts certain core
            homosexual acts, including male-male anal sex in
            the category of yehareg ve’al ya’avor, “die rather than
            transgress”, the small category of Biblically-prohibited acts (also
            including murder, idolatry, adultery, and incest) which an Orthodox Jew is
            obligated under the laws of Self-sacrifice under Jewish Law to
            die rather than do.[citation
            needed] According to the Talmud, homosexuality is FORBIDDEN
            BETWEEN NON-JEWS AS WELL, and is included among the sexual restrictions of the Noachide
            laws.[6]

            ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………..

            Rabbi Dr. Immanuel Jakobovits, in his entry Homosexuality
            in the Encyclopedia Judaica (Keter Publishing), describes the TRADITIONAL opinion on homosexuality in this way:

            Jewish law […] rejects the view that homosexuality is to be regarded
            merely as a disease or as morally neutral…. Jewish law holds that no
            hedonistic ethic, even if called “love”, can justify the morality of
            homosexuality any more than it can legitimize adultery or incest, however
            genuinely such acts may be performed out of love and by mutual consent.” (Again, emphasis mine.)

            So, there we have it, warts and all. And I do draw the attention of all to the use of quotation marks by the good Rabbi, as can only be adduced of something which purports to be what it is not… And there is much more, but why flog a dead horse? Thanks to Hebrew conceptions of sexual sins that have perdured to this day, Christians have a solid traditional and exegetical foundation on which to base their rejection and condemnation of HOMOSEXUALITY, REGARDLESS of
            which translation/version/paraphrase of the Bible they consult. Your (and your team’s) attempt at deception has irrevocably FAILED on this occasion.

            And do desist from quoting Scripture, for those holy words in your mouth(s) are “like a golden ring in a pig’s snout”, not to mention that tergiversating it is blasphemy against the Most High and his Word of Truth.

          • Jimmie1151

            Not originally. The adoption against homosexuality came later in the the Middle Assyrian period.

            http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/article_attitude_wenham.html

            Ancient Hebrews borrowed their compilation of belief from Mesopotamia, Egypt.

            http://www.biblicalstudies.org.uk/article_attitude_wenham.html

            This is an interesting exercise, however, considering the controversy surrounding misinterpretation, mistranslation and bias, it is safe to assume it is best to leave religious interpretation where it belongs, not in secular government. We have evolved away from the primitive religious concepts and live under a constitutional government not a theocracy.

            http://home.earthlink.net/~ecorebbe/id18.html

          • Sientje Seinen

            no it doesn it tells you not to lie with mankind as when you would lie with womankind it is an abomination to sleep with someone of your own gender, there is it now plain enough?

          • Sientje Seinen

            we dont believe or get our orders from Rome we believe In Christ who suffered a great deal for these sins of the flesh, for you to repent and ask the Lord, to cleanse your heart of evil desires. and a male prostitute isnt the same as an homosexual, though also very sinfull.

          • John Buchanan

            Hey Jimmie, I read them all, King James,NIV, Amplified, Schofield Reference, The Message, Dakes, Greek-Hebrew, Life Application, Parallel, and couldn’t find that. Are you reading the Barney Frank New Rainbow Translation with commentary by Elton John and Rosie Odonell ?

          • Sientje Seinen

            you are stupid Jimmie as these people whom Paul was preaching about were outsiders whom did not believe in Christ and His Word, whom God had given up, to their own pleasure and Paul even speak of the disease they will have in their flesh which we recognize as Aids so dont tell us that the Bible is mistranslated you would like it to be, But so sorry for you, it is still an abomination and Christ telling us “Fear God who has the power to cast ye into hell.” your choice.

          • Jimmie1151

            Paul was very unpopular, James was the accepted leader. James was regrettably illiterate and Paul was raised in the educated upper class and wrote prolifically, that is why we read Paul. However, Paul was condemning married men for being unfaithful, he was not condemning homosexuality.
            Literal Translation- . In the New Testament, the two verses 1 Corinthians 6:9 & 1 Timothy 1:10 are often mistranslated as condemning homosexuality in English Bibles (but not in the Roman Latin Vulgate Bible or the 1545 German Bible of Martin Luther). Mistranslation is based on two ancient Greek words “malakoi” & “arsenokoitai” (Greek letters “ARSENOKOITAI ” literally, “male-beds”), which was a new word used by Paul (Saul) at the time and not a common term for homo-sexuality. Because Paul was speaking in a religious context, the word “arsenokoitai” has been translated as referring to male-pimps or customers in temple prostitution, a common practice in so-called pagan rituals widespread in Temple Cult worship of the time. [The minor term “malakoi” (used to describe “soft” clothing) is non-sexual and has been translated as “effeminate” (KJV), although others state “weaklings” or “morally weak, lazy” men.]

            Rarity of Words- . The ancient Greek word “arsenokoitai” occurs in only those 2 verses, 1 Corinthians 6:9 & 1 Timothy 1:10. Logically, if homosexuality were considered a sin, there should be many verses about it, and the word “arsenokoitai” would occur more than twice if it had referred to a major issue, such as homosexuality; the rarity of the word fits the logical translation: the word “arsenokoitai” refers to the rare practice of temple prostitution, not general homosexuality. (See: 73 references to arsenokoit* found in TLG E Feb/2000, “http://www.jeramyt.org/gay/arsenok.htm”.) Yet, precisely because the word is so rare and had no formal definition, the word “arsenokoitai” is crucial in fostering misinterpretation of the Bible: a more common word could not be so easily redefined.

            Priorities – . The verses in the Bible follow certain priorities: for example, the words “adultery” or “adulteress/adulterer” (Greek “moixoi” ) occur 47 times in the King James Version; however, the word “arsenokoitai” occurs only 2 times, and the common terms of that time period about homosexual activity are not mentioned in the Bible at all (such as man-boy pairing, Greek “erastes-eromenos”). Condemning homosexuality in Biblical times was not an issue, not a priority, at all.

    • jmichael39

      You really SHOULD look it up, SW

      http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7560933

      “Sexual differentiation to the human brain takes place much later than originally claimed. At birth the SDN contains only some 20% of the cells found at 2 to 4 years of age. The cell number rapidly increases in boys and girls at the same rate until 2 to 4 years of age. After that age period, a decrease in cell number takes place in girls, but not in boys. This causes the sexual differentiation of the SDN. This postnatal period of hypothalamic differentiation indicates that, in addition to genetic factors, a multitude of environmental and psychosocial factors may have profound influence on the sexual differentiation of the brain. No difference in SDN cell number was observed between homosexual and heterosexual men. This finding refutes Dörner’s hypothesis that homosexual males have a “female” hypothalamus.”

      You want me to list the rest of links?

    • Sientje Seinen

      he wasnt born gay the homosexual community recruited him didnt they, and what about the children? why are people so selfish today, No wonder the Lord called this an adulterous generation.

  • Bolvon72

    I read “I am so upset that I didn’t get to continue to raise children in a sham of a marriage for my own benefit.” Do you know how much crazy a woman has to bring to the table for the courts to award custody to the father… I do, been there, done that, have the custody to show for it.

    • DIANE LANE

      Not with a gay activist judge against her!

      • vivkingswood

        “gay activist judge” – It’s the only explaination, clearly.

        • Griffonn

          The problem of course is that right now gay > children

          Children will be the next civil rights movement. We will look back at abortion and “you can’t have a daddy because I’m the sort of mommy who wants another mommy” with loathing and shame.

          • vivkingswood

            Funny, I know a lot of people with same sex parents, they don’t feel that way at all.

            Either do people I know who grew up in single parent homes, they never felt like their mother was choosing to deny them a father, or their father was choosing to deny them a mother.

            Either do people I know who have had a parent die. They don’t have any shame for only having one parent.

            These ‘issues’ are in your head.

          • Griffonn

            That’s funny, I had a girl in my living room confiding to me all the stuff she couldn’t tell her parents, because her parents “couldn’t handle the truth”.

            One of just *many* pivotal moments in my move away from the Unitarian Universalist church (right up there with lesbians trying babies on to see how they looked).

            That is the reality of same-sex parenting: the kids are taught from birth that the reason they can’t have a father is, to borrow the words of Rosie O’Donnell, “because I’m the sort of mommy who wants another mommy”. The lesson is loud and clear: nobody cares about YOU, it is Mommy whose wants matter. YOU are here to serve and take care of HER, not the other way aroun d.

        • Ax2root

          Maybe not the only explanation but unless she was a PSYCHO..these children are being far more abused by their crazy insane unsound father

    • Griffonn

      Marriage is important because it protects vulnerable family members from exploitation – and, yes, abandonment – at the hands of powerful family members.

      It’s too bad a homosexual opted to build a family out of lies, but once he had, breaking the family to indulge his own self-indulgence hardly “fixes” the situation.

      Men and women cannot share the risks of procreation equally: women bear all the costs, risks, and burdens up front (financial, physical. social, emotional). Marriage evolved to offer protection to women and children (children born to married parents are less likely to be abandoned or sold by one or both parents).

      Gay marriage is all about reducing women to the status of livestock and children to the status of consumption experience. The fact that lesbians are also using their affluence to mistreat children doesn’t make it better, but makes it worse.

      Real civil rights does not involve exploiting children, or making them lie. Motherless and fatherless children should have the right to grieve openly without having to worry about whether their parents can handle the truth.

    • Ax2root

      I have seen the opposite….babies and five yr olds not taken away from sex abusing fathers and uncles by hostile to ” normal” feminist judges…

    • Al Pi

      Your logic: guilty until proven innocent, because you think the rest of the world has the exact same experiences as you. So because you can’t conceive of the possibility that she could be innocent you condemn her out of ignorance, despite the fact that lawyers can twist facts in the support of anything. Why are you here anyway? This website is intended for Christians… Do you get some sort of sick thrill by annoying Christians?

      • Bolvon72

        “This website is intended for Christians”

        I like to stick to secular news sites, but christians are always interjecting there, I thought we were free to mingle.

  • SFBruce

    I have no doubt that this experience was devastating for Ms. Darnell, but the irony is, if being gay weren’t stigmatized, her husband would never have felt pressured to date and marry a woman, and this whole situation could have been avoided.

    • William Mazeo

      The whole situation could be avoided in a better way: treating people like him, stopping the stimulation to homosexuality that only gets stronger day by day. Doing that you’d have not only a healthy family but a mentally healthy man too.

      • Jimmie1151

        Wow, did you teleport from the 19th century yesterday?

        • Sientje Seinen

          yes stop recruiting and having sexual orientation lessons in the schools, no one wants to know about it, and so you target the young whom are not sure of their identity at that age. shame on you all.

          • Jimmie1151

            Listens, Madam Nut bag, there is no credible evidence to support what you just said. Somebody..please, get this poor women help!!!

          • ChicoEscuela

            Jimmie,
            Maybe the same people that you suggest help this woman – will help you, with your Mental Issues.
            32,134 Ignorant, Worthless, Irrelevant Leftist thoughts from this Elderly Old man with nothing else to do in his failed life – other than post here 24/7.

          • Jimmie1151

            There is no credible evidence to support what you suggest.

    • jmichael39

      You have no freaking clue whether that’s the case here. You’re projecting without any substantive evidence whatsoever.

      • SFBruce

        You challenge me without offering any counter-argument? If you actually believe that if gay men were more accepted in society, that they would continue to marry straight women? Why in the world would that be the case? I stand by my opinion.

        • jmichael39

          You’re the one who made the accusation here. I don’t give a rip what the majority of other people might do if being gay were less stigmatizing. You claimed that in THIS case that’s what happened. You don’t get to move the goal posts in this debate to what the majority of people might do (though even that is utterly and completely unsubstantiated by you). YOU have the obligation here to back up your accusation against THIS case and this case only. If you have evidence to prove that your accusation about this situation is as you claim, then share it. Otherwise, take you penchant for biased and unsubstantiated accusations somewhere else.

          • SFBruce

            Obviously, I have no specific evidence about this particular couple. We don’t even know who these people are. But I stand by my claim: many gay men and lesbians have married unwitting straight people in an effort to either hide their orientation or in an effort to straighten themselves out. Hence, my original comment.

          • jmichael39

            You have no evidence, but stand by your claim. How quaint. Well, thanks for you OPINION…as unsubstantiated as it might be.

    • Sientje Seinen

      Then he was dishonest right from the start wasnt he, and how is he so sure now that he is gay or is it another lie?

  • Nikki

    This is completely irrelevant. Straight men leave their wife’s all the time for other women and destroy the family. As do straight women. So then we can say Heterosexuality does nothing but destroy marriages. Nobody should be allowed to marry then. There. Problem solved.

    • cyndlou

      no – nobody should be allowed to divorce without Biblical reason – infidelity. As someone who has been divorced, I believe if I had faced prison time for requesting it, I would have given God more space to fix me, my ex-husband and our marriage. Marriage is legal binding contract and should be held with higher respect. It’s no wonder no one has respect for law anymore Divorce has become the new normal and is causing much destruction to family and America. so the answer is either allow same-sex marriage or no-one can marry – wrong – The laws that govern man need to be taught, upheld, and given the honor and respect that is due them. Look at our jail cells, our streets filled with homeless, our corners filled with drug dealers, our computers filled with pornography. it is all 1000 % related.

      • Benita Kimberly Bylicki-Marzio

        when a minority group can use their sexual preference to gain political favor, then yes it is a discrimination against the hetrosexual community.. No one has the right to use what they do behind their bedroom doors for political advantage and that is the bottom line, the GLBT uses their sexual appetite for political favors over hetrosexuals, but of course they don’t discriminate, only the hetrosexuals do. If we don’t choose to do business with gays that is discrimination, and its done on purpose every single time for political reasons only and to promote their agenda.. disgusting!

        • vivkingswood

          You know you’ve made a terrible argument when all references to sexual orientation can easily be traded out with racial background and all of a sudden you sound like a racist bigot.

          • Benita Kimberly Bylicki-Marzio

            I made a sound argument actually, and being the mom 7 children who come from various ethnic backgrounds, would find your comment that I sound like a racist bigot would be laughable. I am a Christian, and I do not hate homosexuals, I have family members and friends who are gay. Let me put it simple, I am a widow, when I was married and I engaged in a heterosexual act in marriage, I did not run out and develop a new species of human beings to become political activists to gain political favors to allow me to get anything I wanted. Homosexuals are still a man, and a woman, they are not its. they are not gender neutral, PERIOD, what they do in their bedroom does not give them the right to make them a new species of people to force political actions because of their sexual acts of preference. PERIOD The GLBT is a political organization, who is pure and simple trying to establish that because they decided that same sex is the same as a minority that has been abused greatly, and they have abused it by using it as a means to force others with different beliefs to accept what they deem normal lifestyle , and to harass, demean, defame, sue, and threaten anyone who does not agree with them… that is the bottom line.. they are allowed without any accountability to do so under the law but deny those same rights to anyone who has different beliefs than theirs.. there is nothing racial or bigoted by saying that they achieve their goals through fear and intimidation, of others who do not share their belief or sexual acts.

          • vivkingswood

            1. Hermaphrodites exist in the real world – humans who are born with both male and female genitals. So there’s already more than just a man and a woman.

            2. Gay people are not a “new species” – I don’t even know what on earth that is suppose to mean.

            3. The exact same arguments (force others with different beliefs to accept what they deem normal lifestyle) have been made about interracial couples

            4. “political activists to gain political favors to allow me to get anything I wanted” – You don’t need to becuase you do already get to have what you want. Be that the right to marry whoever you like and live with equal rights. You have the “political activists” of the civil rights movement to thank for that.

            5. By ‘fear and intimidation’ I assume you mean applying anti-discrimination LAWS to dissuade discriminatory behaviour, like refusing service to a person based on their gender/religion/age/race/sexual orientation etc.

            I really see no difference in a person discriminating against someone based on their race, religion, gender or age as against sexual orientation. Hate is hate.

          • Benita Kimberly Bylicki-Marzio

            if you refuse a homosexual based on personal beliefs, your a hater, and your sued for discrimination. If on the other hand the homosexual calls you names, blasphemes your God, ridicules you for your beliefs, and you sue them, it gets thrown out of court and you get Diversity Training, YUP great law,, I can see how it protects so many,, nuff said, good nite…I concede to those who seem to know it all,,

          • Peter

            Hermaphrodites are the result of a birth defect

          • Peter

            “The exact same arguments (force others with different beliefs to accept
            what they deem normal lifestyle) have been made about interracial
            couples” LOL… really, the exact same. The problem is you don’t compare apples to apples. Interracial couples were normal and natural HETEROSEXUAL couples who wanted traditional, one man one woman marriage. Pervert homosexuals want to redefine marriage for their sick proclivity. Try comparing apples to apples

          • ken

            So Apples, to Apples, your argument, just said anyone that cannot have, or do not want to have children, are perverts, and should not be allowed to be married.

          • Peter

            Vivkingwood stated “I really see no difference in a person discriminating against someone
            based on their race, religion, gender or age as against sexual
            orientation. Hate is hate.”

            Race, religion, gender or age are not sick deprave sexual perversions. That’s the difference. Homosexuality isn’t a sexual orientation, Sexual orientation is lie, a big con meant TO TRY TO FOOL PEOPLE. it’s a sickness that screams
            for mental health help. Homosexuals can’t have true sex, true sex only
            occurs when there is a potential for pro-creation (male/female), since
            same-sex couples have NEVER AND WILL NEVER pro-create sexually
            homosexuality isn’t a sexual orientation

          • Sientje Seinen

            So it isnt hate when you sue someone for not letting you have a wedding on their property, Why are you so important, they pay taxes for their property and why cant they refuse not to have a lesbian wedding on same property so take the beam out of your own eye first, then you can see clearly about the splinter in your brother/s eyes.

          • Jody Stafford

            Amen Benita. I couldn’t have said it better myself. It’s not being gay that bothers me so much and the fact that gay people think that being gay gives them more rights than me.

          • Sientje Seinen

            what has homosexuality got to do with being racist? are all negroes homosexuals, you might be offending them by including yourself in the same category. You are a slave to sex, they were slaves to working in the cotton fields you cant compare one to the other.

        • Jimmie1151

          SOOOOO twisted. When the majority uses their sexual preference to deny equal treatment under law to a minority group, that is fascist tyranny. No opposite sex orientation has the right to use what they do behind bedroom doors to oppress a minority group seeking equal protection. The bottom line , the homophobic heterosexuals are using their sexual appetite for political and phony religious favors over homosexuals. If they trash the constitution to beat up on gays economically, that is the only reason to promote and enshrine bigotry and prejudice into law.

          • Benita Kimberly Bylicki-Marzio

            Jimmie, in case you have not noticed lately but we are under fascist tyranny already. What happened to this lady, happened to my fiancé five years ago. As someone else posted, the gay lifestyle is all about them, I want, I want, I want, selfish and self centered, I am not a homophobic, I am a Christian and also have through family some people who have gay lifestyles. I am sorry but if a Christian refuses to service a gay person or couple, they are taken into court, accused of discrimination , fined a ridiculous fine, forced to take Diversity training, aka brainwash you accept gays, yet the gays can harass, threaten, blaspheme our God, spit on us, destroy property and guess what, nobody fines them or makes them take Diversity Training classes, or is even held accountable for their actions…. hmmmmm so much for equality under the law, eh?

          • ken

            REALLY???? Yes you are absolutely correct, we want to lead a happy life, we want to be with someone ,and love with all our heart, someone we are attracted to, we want to do that without fear of retaliation, we want to be able to purchase food, clothing, and other goods with no fear of being refused these things, and our loved ones having to do without, we want to be treated like everyone else. O wait, everyone, whether straight or gay wants those things, so that makes us all selfish, so I guess selfishness is not just a homosexual trait after all. If it offends you, that others want what you have, oops sorry. And if you are a christian, and offer services to the public, and you say, bake a cake for a Muslim, or an atheist, a liar, an adulterer, and the list of people god does not approve of, goes on, and on, it is in God’s eyes the same as baking a cake for a LGBT person no matter how you rationalize it, so if you refuse service to any one of these, and provide services to the rest, thatt IS discrimination, and therefore illegal.

          • Sientje Seinen

            how dare you even compare a marriage between a man and a woman blessed by the Lord. G-d and your perverted sexual lusts for members of the same sex, which the Lord God Himself calls an abomination. repent or fear God who has the power to cast ye into hell”

          • Jimmie1151

            Sorry, God never said anything against homosexuals, a total mistranslation. How dare YOU use faulty misinterpreted words!!

        • cyndlou

          are you serious – and you are a member of the GLBT I assume?

          • Benita Kimberly Bylicki-Marzio

            No, I am a Christian, and I just went through with my fiancé the very same thing that happened to the woman in this article. Why you assumed I was part of GLBT? My only point is, that again, why should gays be able to gain political favors, because of their lifestyle. If they blaspheme our God, if they harass and threaten and call us names, they are allowed, if we defend our beliefs, we are targeted, sued, and if the judge is pro gay, or he is afraid of being harassed, he will favor the gay person over the Christian or heterosexual ,, this is wrong.. My fiancé had custody of his handicapped daughter, She adored him. the mother had caused the daughter to be taken by the state when she was younger, he got his right re instated as it was proved he had nothing to do with her neglect, it was on the mother…Yet because she was gay, with a partner who had political clout, her rights were reinstated also, she went for a visit to the mother, and behind his back they went to court, played the gay trump card, even after the daughter said she did not want to live with her mother and partner, and wanted to live with her dad. He never saw her again, and its been 4 years, he is not allowed to see her, speak to her, she is not allowed to call him or try to contact him, the lesbian partner says she is all the Dad she needs, and she makes the rules, no contact, ever , period, I heard from the grandmother that she now wants nothing to do with her dad, and has been encouraged to embrace a gay lifestyle. The girl had been invited to prom, she had a boys ask her, she was told she was not allowed to go with him, and if she wanted to go, she had to go with girls that were trusted by the lesbian couple who would not allow her to be around the boy.. I am sorry, but this angers me greatly and there is no justice for my fiancé.. I have begged on behalf of my fiancé to them, that there is no reason not to allow my fiancé to be allowed to visit his daughter. I have pleaded to his ex-wife, that this is daughter too, why be so cruel to him, they moved, changed phone, took her away from her job, and will not allow any contact,, again where is the justice, for him. or for the lady who has lost her children,, there is NONE.

          • cyndlou

            sorry – misunderstood your original comment – I even read it twice because it wasn’t really clear to me if you were supporting them or not – I apologize – dang, it’s tough to not misinterpret friends and family in posts, let alone strangers – forgive me:-)

        • ken

          This is not a minority trait. All walks of life try to use whatever means they have to manipulate politics, I guess it is ok to do in your eyes if you are not a minority?

      • vivkingswood

        Why on earth would you want to be in a miserable relationship for your entire life? Also, people with decent sex lives generally don’t have computers filled with pornography, becuase, you know, they’re having sex with a partner they actually like.

        • cyndlou

          I wouldn’t – marriage is the most challenging thing we will ever do in our lifetime – it takes work – sometimes counseling but we throw in the towel way too easily – get your head out of the sand – computers are filled with pornography with or without a good sex life – check the stats

          • vivkingswood

            Well I personally don’t have any issues with people who want to watch porn – you do. And I think that raising kids is harder than being married – if you marry the right person. Although if you marry the wrong person, and you’re stuck with them for life and refuse to admit the relationship isn’t working it’s no wonder you think it’s the most challenging thing you’ll ever do. Sounds to me like you’re revealing more about your own personal situation that anything.

        • Peter

          NAMBLA members use the same argument

      • Jimmie1151

        Your argument against divorce will kill religious attraction.

        • cyndlou

          so it’s better to be deceived? I wish I had faced prison time – I would have thought twice about getting married knowing divorce had severe consequences – kill religion? maybe but it would support true Salvation and that’s what matters – religion is bull crap anyway -hindu, Buddhist, muslim, Baptist, Mormon, Jehovah witness, Catholicism ….. divorce and homosexuality are killing the family

          • Jimmie1151

            Deception? You obviously do not have a single clue how repressively cruel homosexual repression is ( or maybe internally you do). Most children committing suicide are gay, some people don’t realize their orientation, you assume gay people are deceptive, but you ignore the pressure that creates inadvertent self deception. Homosexuality is killing religion? Bigotry, ignoring the sermon on the mount and cynical self loathing, closeted homosexuals, are only hurting themselves.

          • cyndlou

            I’m much more concerned with eternal damnation. I completely what the Word of God says – and just like drug addicts, alcoholics, porn addicts, womanizers, there is a way out – I don’t even want to hear this crap that they were born that way – I have a gay nephew and he is fully capable with the help of Christ to be as God created him to be – a man and if he wants to be married – it is to be with a woman.

          • Jimmie1151

            No, you silly fool, “drug addicts, alcoholics, porn addicts, womanizers” are not exclusive to any orientation. It is no more a condition of the homosexual or heterosexual experience. Christ blessed the gay Centurion and his lover( Matthew), you aren’t representing Christ, you are representing unresolved hostility toward homosexuals and your nephew. God said nothing against homosexuality and your hideous misinterpretation ignores the will of God’s original words, it is your indomitable will against homosexuality that prevents the love, acceptance and forgiveness of Jesus Christ. Jesus is totally love, your hostility is not.

          • cyndlou

            really – and I’m the silly fool? have you ever heard of Sodom and Gomorrah – it wasn’t just about homosexuality – but that was the biggest problem – a city of men wanting to rape God’s male messengers – and don’t even think YOU can speak about my relationship with my nephew – he knows I love him and he knows I hate his sexual choice and that’s between him and me

          • Jimmie1151

            Sodom And Gomorrah, not real cities, had nothing to do with homosexuality, it was being inhospitable to strangers that earned Gods wrath:
            http://www.faithstreet.com/onfaith/2010/12/08/homosexuality-in-sodom-and-gomorrah/9051
            May I point out that the opposite of love is not hate, but indifference. You love your nephew but hate who he is, logic failure.

          • cyndlou

            What Bible do you read from – I know it may seem like I don’t love people but this is Satan’s influence in this world right now – God doesn’t reign on earth until the 1000 years following Armageddon so while it may seem I’m full of hate, I’m not. I love people enough to want to keep them from eternal damnation

          • Jimmie1151

            You are ignoring the sources I gave you, why? You love people but hate who they are, that makes no logical sense, hate never does. You have something inside going on that has nothing to do with anyone but you and you are twisting biblical words to hide behind.

          • cyndlou

            hate the sin – love the sinner – Jesus does it everyday – He hates sin so much that he died on the cross for us expressing how much He loves us – How does this not make sense if you are a true believer? I’m not ignoring the sources – I’ve read the scriptures and know what they say – you are simply putting your belief in what the “scholars” have to say about it – I choose to hear what the Author Himself has to say about it and He was more than clear – Forget S & G – this is how I know homosexually is wrong – God created Adam and Eve and said that for this reason a man shall leave his mother and father and cleave to his wife – the only God blessed sexual relations are those commenced within marriage – there is no Godly marriage between same sex partners. you can read that all over the Bible of which you have yet to reveal the version you feed off.

          • Jimmie1151

            Jesus blessed the Gay Centurion and his greek lover (Matthew 8:5-13 & Luke 7:1-10,q ), Severus of Antioch in the sixth century explained that “we should not separate in speech [St. Serge and St. Bacchus] who were joined in life.” More bluntly, in the definitive 10th century Greek account of their lives. After a twelve year search of Catholic and Orthodox church archives Yale history professor John Boswell has discovered that a type of Christian gay marriage did exist as late as the 18th century.gay Centurion.
            You are misquoting a bad translated word of God, shame on you, false witness is a sin.

          • cyndlou

            are you trying to insinuate that the centurions servant was his lover? because it does not say that anywhere in either Matthew or Luke – talk about twisting the Word of God to appease your own flesh – good luck in your ventures – I have spoke my peace –

          • Jimmie1151

            For many centuries before Matthew and Luke wrote their Gospels, the Greek word *pais* was commonly used to refer to the younger partner in a same sex relationship. The younger partner was often an adult male but was sometimes a teenager.

            The use of *pais* in this social and historical context leads some to believe that the story of the Roman centurion and his *pais* in Matthew 8 and Luke 7 tells the real story of the day Jesus met and blessed a gay man. Although this understanding of the text is controversial, it is important for us to discuss and understand it in our conversation about the Bible and homosexuality.

            This true story about a gay Centurion, from Matthew 8:5-13 & Luke 7:1-10, it is important to remember that we are two thousand years removed from these events. For that reason, traditionalists cannot prove their contention, that the centurion and his *pais-servant,* were not same sex lovers. It is equally impossible *to prove* to everyone’s satisfaction, that this was a gay centurion and his *pais-beloved-gay lover.*

          • Sientje Seinen

            the centurion was a believer in Christ and the Lord God of Israel, as he had built a synagogue for the jewish people, more than you can say that you have love for anyone except yourself and your perversion, May the Lord be mercifull to you.

          • Jimmie1151

            I’d build a temple too if Jesus had saved the love of my life and cured him.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lol you are reading something that isnt there the centurion had a servant whom looked after him, in those days the centurion would have their own servants, who would care for them, dress them, but not as a lover. the Jews loved the centurion as he had built a synagogue for them so they asked Jesus, to heal his servant, and because the centurion believed and had faith in christ the Lord healed his servant, nowhere does it say he is his lover, you make up lies about the Holy scriptures may the Lord forgive you this great and grave error.

          • Jimmie1151

            And in those days it was quite common for Centurions to have young male lovers, the word for servant and male lover in those days was the same, kind of like couples using familiar intimate names like “Pet”. I’m not lying, you are lying to yourself.

          • cyndlou

            I find your last statement very interesting – you may want to take that one up with the Father Himself – it really has nothing to do with me

          • Jimmie1151

            If it has nothing to do with you , then why ignore evidence? Do you speak ancient Greek? I’ve had experts translate the more original Greek texts, I suggest you seek the more original word of God.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Jimmie we are fashioned in God;s image, but since the fall from grace Adam listened to satan instead of God, sin and death has come into the world, with it also perversion, hatred strife lies and jealousy, greed, those are the traits we inherited when Adam ate from the tree of good and evil. Now if you lie you are not a child of God, if you are greedy, satan has got you in his grip. And since God calls homosexuality an abomination, you either love the Lord God and agree with Him, or you hate the Lord God and listen to satan who tells you it is not a sin. try to understand instead of listening toyour own wisdom

          • Jimmie1151

            Well, thank you for your words, but your opinion just doesn’t quite match the original texts. Why did you leave out Adams first wife, Lilith? God said married men playing around was a abomination, but eating at Red Lobster is too.

          • cyndlou

            “scholars agree that that may not indeed be true” – this is a quote from your article above – I really don’t care what people say – the Bible says what it says – and I even said in my post regarding S & G that it was not JUST homosexuality it was all sexual immorality going on in the two cities but homosexuality was the most ramped – Lot and his family had to harbor the male Angels because the men in the city wanted to rape them – and if you can give me scriptures legitimately disputing this, then show me please and I will humbly request your forgiveness

          • Jimmie1151

            No, the original bibles did not say what the English bibles say now, you are ignoring that evidence. Sodom and Gomorrah had nothing to do with Homosexuality:
            http://knowledgenuts.com/2014/01/27/the-bible-specifically-says-sodom-wasnt-about-homosexuality/

          • cyndlou

            and you are fluent in Hebrew and Greek? THE MEN OF THE CITY WERE TRYING TO RAPE THE MALE ANGELS GOD HAD SENT TO RESCUE LOT AND HIS FAMILY – give it up I have addressed your issue –

          • Jimmie1151

            You keep quoting a seriously bad translation. The People were idolaters, they practiced child sacrifice and were hateful of strangers. The whole society rose up against the strangers, fathers, wives, children, grandparents to attack strangers nothing about homosexuals. Are you forgetting God let Lot get drunk and have sex with his daughters? You have dodged and avoided my points, deliberately.

          • cyndlou

            are you kidding – I said for about the 5th time – it was not only homosexuality – whatever

          • Sientje Seinen

            yes it did, they did not want Lots daughters Lot knowing they would refuse otherwise he would not send his own kin out to them, they wanted those men, cant you understand?

          • Jimmie1151

            Sorry, not even close.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Which is true as through translations bibles lose a lot, and the only true Bible are the early ones as now they make up the Word as long as it make a person feel good, But that is not the Word of the Lord God and you would do well to heed His Word, as God is not mocked.

          • Jimmie1151

            So the older more original texts are not the word of god because more modern texts that have lost something IS the word of god?? Logic failure.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you are so stupid you have become a fool in your own wisdom, the Word of God abides forever, if you have biassed authors whom you are listening to, isnt my fault as the Word of God does not change. and st Patrick day parade is a roman catholic thing we dont listen to the rules of Rome a pagan city

          • Sientje Seinen

            you people do twist the gospel to your own liking dont you. It had to do with homosexuality, Lot was hospitable to those two men was He not, and when he offered his daughters instead, no they didnt want those women they lusted after those men. Nothing in the Bible about being inhospitable being a great sins, remember Christ there was no hospitality shown Him eiher, NO room at the Inn, and did the Lord God destroy Bethlehem? you are known liars which is natural as your father satan is the father of lies.

          • Jimmie1151

            That is because you are reading the mistranslated KJV, that is why you are so horribly confused.

          • Sientje Seinen

            man oh man now you are even blaspheming the name of our Lord Christ Jesus. Is Christ an agent of sin, Did He not suffer greatly for the sins of mankind those of the flesh and those outside of It? and you mock His suffering by not turning to Him and asking forgiveness for not heeding His word. Christ and the Father are One, and what did Christ say concerning His Father in heaven. “Fear God who has the power to cast ye into hell.” and did the Lord God not forbid homosexuality and called it an abomination. Repent and come to know the Lord God of Israel and christ Jesus whom He sent.

          • Jimmie1151

            Jesus never said anything against homosexuals, in fact he blessed the Gay Centurion and his greek lover in Matthew. God was telling married men to be faithful, nothing against homosexuality. You keep quoting mistranslated King James english.
            Literal Translation- . In the New Testament, the two verses 1 Corinthians 6:9 & 1 Timothy 1:10 are often mistranslated as condemning homosexuality in English Bibles (but not in the Roman Latin Vulgate Bible or the 1545 German Bible of Martin Luther). Mistranslation is based on two ancient Greek words “malakoi” & “arsenokoitai” (Greek letters “ARSENOKOITAI ” literally, “male-beds”), which was a new word used by Paul (Saul) at the time and not a common term for homo-sexuality. Because Paul was speaking in a religious context, the word “arsenokoitai” has been translated as referring to male-pimps or customers in temple prostitution, a common practice in so-called pagan rituals widespread in Temple Cult worship of the time. [The minor term “malakoi” (used to describe “soft” clothing) is non-sexual and has been translated as “effeminate” (KJV), although others state “weaklings” or “morally weak, lazy” men.]

            Rarity of Words- . The ancient Greek word “arsenokoitai” occurs in only those 2 verses, 1 Corinthians 6:9 & 1 Timothy 1:10. Logically, if homosexuality were considered a sin, there should be many verses about it, and the word “arsenokoitai” would occur more than twice if it had referred to a major issue, such as homosexuality; the rarity of the word fits the logical translation: the word “arsenokoitai” refers to the rare practice of temple prostitution, not general homosexuality. (See: 73 references to arsenokoit* found in TLG E Feb/2000, “http://www.jeramyt.org/gay/arsenok.htm”.) Yet, precisely because the word is so rare and had no formal definition, the word “arsenokoitai” is crucial in fostering misinterpretation of the Bible: a more common word could not be so easily redefined.

            Priorities – . The verses in the Bible follow certain priorities: for example, the words “adultery” or “adulteress/adulterer” (Greek “moixoi” ) occur 47 times in the King James Version; however, the word “arsenokoitai” occurs only 2 times, and the common terms of that time period about homosexual activity are not mentioned in the Bible at all (such as man-boy pairing, Greek “erastes-eromenos”). Condemning homosexuality in Biblical times was not an issue, not a priority, at all.

      • Guest

        “No-nobody should be allowed to divorce without Biblical reason”. Oh except for YOU? Right, cyndlou??? LMFAO!!! Gotta LOVE hypocrites.

    • colt721

      That point is covered in the article,
      “It is common for spouses to be attracted to other people—usually of the opposite sex, but sometimes of the same sex. Spouses who value their marriage do not act on those impulses,” she said. “A good marriage doesn’t only depend on sexual desire, which can come and go and is often out of our control. It depends on choosing to love, honor, and be faithful to one person, forsaking all others.”

      In other words it doesn’t matter your reasons for breaking the marriage up it should not happen. Especially when children are involved. When you marry it ought to be for as long as you live (For better or for worse, in sickness and in health, until DEATH do us part.)
      That is the promise you make and it is an open ended promise. It says I promise to be there no matter what happens even if it is something I did not or could not foresee.
      For that reason you are supposed to look at your spouse and only your spouse for sex or whatever.
      Yes heterosexual marriages fall apart the same way all the time but they are supposed to be founded on a premise that the people in those marriages are trying to maintain that relationship for all their lives.
      Homosexuality is based on a “I want what I want when I want it” mentality which encourages infidelity, promiscuity and selfishness. If that is what it promotes then it is STARTING with an the groundwork for that to end badly. (Like prenuptial agreements.)

      • Jimmie1151

        So, obviously raising children in a hateful. loveless marriage is the desired position and the best example for children. Total logic failure.

        • Griffonn

          There is a third option: the guy who lied to everyone and wasn’t honest about his homosexuality could grow the heck up, think of his kids, and do what is right: http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2013/03/9432/

          • Jimmie1151

            Yeah, self denial is more powerful and compelling than most people realize. However, you *imagine* being a gay person who is totally self aware, which introduces your emotional response. So, when did you first become of your homosexual attractions and at what age did you decide to repress that and “grow the heck up”???? Can’t wait to read you wiggle out of that logic…..

          • Griffonn

            I actually chose taking care of my kids over “self actualization” when I was younger, and though I felt very sorry for myself at the time, I am reaping the rewards now.

            And however bad I have felt about the low points of my life, I can now at least realize how lucky I am to have had the sort of dad who would never, ever ditch his responsibilities or his family to pursue his own appetites.

            Selfishness does not lead to happiness. The cure for having deliberately or unintentionally put yourself and everyone else into a bad situation is not more self-centered indulgence.

          • Natasha Haworth

            So you would rather have someone be with you who really didnt want you anymore?

          • Griffonn

            If my marriage fell apart I would think of the children.

            However also note that the reason this marriage fell apart is because the man lied to the woman, and married her under false pretenses. That is a bad thing to do.

            The one who caused the mess is the one who thinks his happiness is paramount. Notice that?

          • ken

            Yes, he lied, what other choice did he have? A man usually gets married in his late teens early 20’s, being told that if he gets married, the feelings will fade, he makes that choice. The most common other choice at the time was either to remain alone forever, or come out, and lose his family, a difficult choice, especially for a young person. At that age in that situation, if you were to be 100% honest with yourself which of the 3 evils would you have chosen?

          • Griffonn

            Are you serious? “What other choice did he have”? Someone put a GUN to his head and MADE him lie?

            What are you, SIX?

          • Nordog6561

            >>What are you, SIX?<<

            Well, what do you expect? Emotional maturity?

          • Griffonn

            Do you see the problem with this crazy idea that it’s somehow self-evident that gay men “have to” lie to gain a fiancee?

          • Nordog6561

            What I do see is that it is self-evident that these “gay” men in question are breaking their vows.

            If a guy suffering from the disorder of SSA decides to marry a woman he needs to man up and be a husband like he vowed to be.

          • Griffonn

            It seems to me that even those who believe that gay men should be “set free” are missing a few key points.

            First, that the kids should be taken care of first. Wait til they are 18, okay?

            Secondly, that the wife deserves a little warning before the husband just takes off. Time to maybe get a degree so she can support herself before rather than after he leaves would be appropriate.

          • ken

            No one is denying that, however, whether the person is leaving, because he is gay, and has found a man, or straight and has found another woman, or she is straight, and has found another man, just because it is a gay person leaving, does not make it any different.

          • ken

            No not six,READ THE ENTIRE COMMENT. I just am not narrow minded enough to realize there are more ways than holding a gun to someone’s head, to coerce them into conforming, IE: Threatening them with loss of family, social status, respect. Most people will do just about anything to keep from losing these things, even trying to bury who they truly are. That however rarely works out.

          • Griffonn

            So you’re saying his own stupidity and/or lack of character MADE him have to screw over his family?

          • ken

            Not his stupidity, no, it would be more the bigoted stupidity of the society he lives in. It seems that a lot of the comments on here say that his being gay was a choice, and most religions (including the one he belonged to) teach that if you try to be straight long enough, and pray hard enough, you will lose the homosexual orientation, so he followed their advice, did the straight thing, and got married, and if he is anything like any other homosexual born christian, he prayed his heart out, begging for god to help him be straight, and after years of trying, he realized he had been lied to. So no it was not his stupidity.

          • Griffonn

            So he has to ruin other peoples’ lives because he feels his society is bigoted and stupid?

            Sorry – still not buying this crazy idea that being gay is carte blanche to behave like an unrepentant d-bag without having to worry about how many other lives you wreck.

            Decent people just don’t treat people that way. I have NO SYMPATHY for someone who would lie to something about things that important – that sacred – that intimate.

          • ken

            All of your comments are fails, except for the point that the vows are sacred, mainly because you are trying to condemn gay people for doing the same thing straight people do. But also, you have only heard one side of the story. In this particular case, he did not leave his family, he left his wife, and was awarded custody of his children, which as an admitted gay man, in a diviorce, this is a near impossibility in the court system. So unless he was filthy rich, and paid someone off, she had to be extremely unfit as a mother, now we have only heard one side of the story, looking at the evidence of the custody, and the fact she would expose her children to the embarrassment of airing their dirty laundry as public as she did, leads me to believe he has a very different, story to tell about how poor and innocent, and badly treated she really is.

          • Griffonn

            Yes, I am trying to condemn those gay people who use their homosexuality as an excuse to behave like animals, using other people without concern for ethics or even basic courtesy.

            I like how you use the fact that he got custody as proof of his victimhood, and then the very fact that the evidence says otherwise is further proof that she somehow deserves to be used and betrayed by this pig.

            You are so typical of everything that is wrong with the Sexual Revolution. This is why your precious ‘liberation’ has wrecked everything it touches, and you don’t even see what is wrong with that (I’ll guess that it’s because probably, ironically, you yourself grew up in a dysfunctional home, and thus do not realize any other kind exists).

          • ken

            Again this comment falis, it is hate mongering, and attacks my background, and family of which you know nothing about. So you are no longer worthy of being taken serious in this debate. Enjoy the rest of your hate filled life.

          • Griffonn

            So basically I’m a hate mongerer for thinking that people who do slimy things are evil, because I don’t understand that you HAD to do slimy things because everyone else in the world MADE you be a slimeball?

            Is that your argument now? REALLY?

          • Nordog6561

            Any man who leaves a wife and children to hook up with other men is no man at all.

            There rest is just so much noise.

          • ken

            Any man who allows himself to fall into a situation where he cheats on his wife, and falls in love with another woman is no man at all. In my opinion, that is worse, At least he can get what he needs from his wife if he chose to work at it… A gay man cannot get what he needs from a woman no matter how hard he works at it.

          • Nordog6561

            >>Any man who allows himself to fall into a situation where he cheats on his wife, and falls in love with another woman is no man at all.<>In my opinion, that is worse, At least he can get what he needs from his wife if he chose to work at it… A gay man cannot get what he needs from a woman no matter how hard he works at it.<<

            This statement really goes to the heart of the sickness in question.

            When one relabels a sexual compulsion as a "need" one is already three quarters of the way to rationalizing the betrayal.

            Honoring one's vows is not about some narcissistic notion of fulfilling one's needs.

            What one truly needs to do is to honor one's vows.

          • ken

            No one is arguing your point here, vows are sacred, I just pointed out that anyone who breaks that vow, is it he same kind of person, whether straight or gay. But a straight man who breaks his vow, is doing so because he while she has the ability to fulfill his “sexual compulsion” he is too lazy to work at it to make it work. So your previous comment was flawed, and should have merely stated >> Any one who leaves a spouse, and children to hook up with anyone else is nothing at all.

            There rest is just so much noise.<<< It is much more accurate.
            Although, not completely true, as there are situations when it becomes life threatening, and necessary. However your argument here is a fail, because he did not leave his children, he was awarded custody. And any man who gets divorced knows how difficult, and rare that is, it is especially if the man has admitted to being gay. almost impossible, unless the mother is extremely unfit, which tells me that while this man may have left for another man, there is a lot more to this story than the woman is telling. And if you are 100 % impartial, and honest with yourself, you know I am correct.

          • Nordog6561

            Like I said, the rest is just so much noise.

          • Griffonn

            This guy Ken really insists that the fact that some gay men behave badly is proof that they’re really victims.

            The more they behave like animals, the more it’s proof that they’re victimized. Because, you see, everyone else MADE them behave that way.

          • Nordog6561

            I can see that he is taking that approach.

            What can you say about someone who thinks a man leaving his wife for another woman is worse than him leaving her for another man?

            What can you say about someone who already thinks that in both cases it’s the wife’s fault for not satisfying the wayward husband.

            Gee, is Ken a wayward gay husband of some abandoned wife, do you think?

          • ken

            Really you too? Attacking my character, because my arguments are valid, and you can see no other way around them, you have no idea who or what I am. You to are not worthy of debating.

          • Nordog6561

            Are you gay or not?

            Did you leave woman to whom you were married for another man or not?

            In any event, you ARE blaming the true victim and saying a sodomite adulterer is better than a hetero adulterer.

          • ken

            Yes, I am gay, and if you really want to know, I was the son of a minister, and it was taught in the church, that being gay was a choice, and wrong, I believed them, and remained celibate, finally I spoke to my religious leaders asking for help, and advice, and was advised to get married, and it would fade, but I felt that it would be unfair to a woman to put her in that situation, and I told them so, so they decided that because I refused to marry, and of my urges, I was to be shunned, everyone, including my family was forbidden to have anything to do with me, so I tried for a few years to remain faithful to the church, and remain celibate.untill I realized that God could not be this cruel. So yes, I am qualified to speak to this point, having had to make the other decision, and suffer the consequences. So you judged me unfairly, for being the type of person you said that gay people should be. Again I say being unfaithful to your vows, is wrong, no matter who you are, straight or gay, but at least straight people are not coerced into marrying someone of the same sex, or suffer dire consequences, so unless you have been there, you have no right to judge anyone for a decision you think is wrong.

          • Nordog6561

            Having same sex attraction is not a choice. Being “gay” is a choice.

            “Gay” is a ideological term meaning to decide that same-sex-attraction is a good thing to be embraced.

            God is not cruel, but that doesn’t mean that we don’t have crosses to bear.

            If you insist on being “gay” and choose to reject the Christian God, that would at least be logically consistent. A lie, but logically consistent.

            If you insist on being “gay” and further insist that God wants you to embrace man-on-man sexual relationships as a moral good then you are living a lie. An illogical self-contradictory lie.

            In any event, even heterosexual adultery is far less abhorrent than any homosexual activity.

            Any man who leaves his wife and children for another man is no man at all.

          • http://phiulb.wix.com/aethericretroculture Pilipo Underwood

            If you type the word “homophobe” into Google, Nordog’s profile comes up first. I have been discussing a matter of science with him for a few weeks, and he gets his jollies out of charging me with being homosexual (not that there is anything wrong with that) even though I am not. There is some conjecture that folks like him/her have some personal problems with their secret latent tendencies, but far be it from me to charge them with a secret desire of some kind.
            Final irony is how the RIghties, such champions of individual freedoms and Liberty, wish to deny other folks their freedom. In Teajadist land, you are free to think however you want as long as you agree with them.

          • Nordog6561

            Look up “banal” or “hackneyed” you’ll see your photo.

            Now we can add “online stalker” to your rap sheet.

          • http://phiulb.wix.com/aethericretroculture Pilipo Underwood

            And tedious repetition of Teajadist rhetoric isn’t hackneyed? Do you guys all get the same talking points memo or just sip it from Fox News from straws?
            Yeah, innit Disqus kewl?

          • Nordog6561

            Hey, check my Disqus profile, you can stalk me other places too.

          • http://phiulb.wix.com/aethericretroculture Pilipo Underwood

            How do you think I located you on this particular Superstitious Cult page? But I do like your Cardinal Richelieu profile pic.

            And if you do not like Homosexual Marriage, don’t get one yourself. Capice?

          • Nordog6561

            >>How do you think I located you on this particular Superstitious Cult page?<>But I do like your Cardinal Richelieu profile pic.<<

            Man, you are bent. How do you get Cardinal Richelieu out of a '51 Ford truck?

          • Th_Ph

            Exactly. The Cardinal Richelieu ceased production in 1947. Except for the flatbed, which continued for two more years.

          • ken

            If you really want to know, yes, I am gay, and the son of a minister, and have always had homosexual tendencies, as any Christian should, I was celibate, I prayed, and studied the bible trying to change my urges, I finally bit the bullet, and spoke to my religious leaders about it seeking help from them, they counseled me and told me that per 1Corinthians 7:9, if I were having uncontrollable sexual urges, that I was choosing them to be homosexual, and I should get married, and that was gods solution to make them go away. I explained to the ministers, that I could not do that with a clear conscience to an unsuspecting woman, because it would be unfair to her, and refused, as a result they decided to shun me, forbidding anyone even my family to have anything to do with me until I conformed to to their will, the will of the bible, I lived by that decision for 3 years, still trying to serve a god I grew up being taught to respect and love, only every church service the congregation would not even acknowledge I exsisted, my family would not even look at much less speak, so I did this completely alone, without spouse, family, or congregation. Until I realized that a truly loving god would not have me in that situation, especially if I followed his word as taught by the church, except for the marriage part which the elders demanded I do. After much prayer, the only solution I could come up with was 1 of 3 things
            1. I was in God’s eyes not worthy of serving god, and had been written off.
            2. God didn’t exist,.
            3. God loved me, and accepted me for who I was, no matter what the church did. and he was telling me I did not need to change. So yes Nordog, I am qualified to speak with some insight on this subject, what experience do you have to bring to the table

          • Nordog6561

            God loves us all, but he doesn’t want any of us to be sodomites.

            Your syllogistic skills need some work. Check your premises.

          • ken

            Since you asked, can you handle the truth,, where as the son of a minister, I fought here’s urges, and feelings, struggled with it for years, finally went to my religious leaders, in their council, told me according to 1Corinthians 7:9, I should be married, I refused, saying it would be unfair to the woman, they at that time decided to shun me forbidding everyone including my family to have anything to do with me, so here I was ignored by my congregation, my family, with no spouse to turn to, I tried to stick it out for 3 years, going to all services, being celibate, studying the bible, and publications which were designed to “cure” me until I realized god could be that cruel, he either was ignoring my pea for help, thought I was not worth saving, or telling me there was nothing wrong with me, I chose to believe the latter, found me a soulmate, and have been with him 20 years, so, I do have the life experiences to be qualified to speak on this subject, and anyone who wants to make unfounded accusations, and has not been in that situation, is just making a self righteous a$$ of themselves

          • Nordog6561

            Among other things you suffer from that perennial affliction found among the identity politics crowd: You think one must have your exact experience to comment on your choices.

            That’s a fallacy, and one that denies any universality to the human experience.

            Ken, we all suffer from inclinations to sin.

            I would venture that we all suffer some type of sexually disordered desires.

            What we all don’t do is insist that our disorders and sinful choices are moral and social goods of which to be proud.

            I’m sorry you got a bum deal from your church and your family. As I’ve written elsewhere, I disagree with the treatment you described receiving from them.

          • Nordog6561

            >>I realized god could be that cruel, he either was ignoring my pea for help, thought I was not worth saving, or telling me there was nothing wrong with me…<<

            Or, He allowed you to have that as your cross to bear in this world, only you rejected the cross and decided the compulsion was a good to be embraced.

          • ken

            where as the son of a minister, I fought here’s urges, and feelings, struggled with it for years, finally went to my religious leaders, in their council, told me according to 1Corinthians 7:9, I should be married, I refused, saying it would be unfair to the woman, they at that time decided to shun me forbidding everyone including my family to have anything to do with me, so here I was ignored by my congregation, my family, with no spouse to turn to, I tried to stick it out for 3 years, going to all services, being celibate, studying the bible, and publications which were designed to “cure” me until I realized god could be that cruel, he either was ignoring my pea for help, thought I was not worth saving, or telling me there was nothing wrong with me, I chose to believe the latter, found me a soulmate, and have been with him 20 years, so, I do have the life experiences to be qualified to speak on this subject, and anyone who wants to make unfounded accusations, and has not been in that situation, is just making a self righteous a$$ of themselves

          • Sientje Seinen

            ha, some men never know what they want, we live in an age where everyone wants instant gratification. Like the Lord said an adulterous generation.

          • ken

            You sit here in judgment, so self righteous. With no true understanding of what you are saying. Yes, he lied, what other choice did he have? A man usually gets married in his late teens early 20’s, being told that if he gets married, the feelings will fade, he makes that choice. The most common other choice at the time was either to remain alone forever, or come out, (and in your strict view) lose his family, a difficult choice, especially for a young person. At that age in that situation, if you were to be 100% honest with yourself which of the 3 evils would you have chosen?

          • Sientje Seinen

            the man needs to repent of his craziness and ask the Lord to turn His heart to his children instead of taking part in sexual gratification. shame on him. the Lord;s wrath will rest on him continually, unless he repents

          • Sientje Seinen

            you could always tell satan the get behind you, as the Lord Christ Jesus reign who overcame satan and his lies. so turn to Him and repent, instead of mocking Christ suffering

          • Jimmie1151

            Huh? What gobbledy gook are you talking about? There is nothing against homosexuality in there bible, you are hideously misled.

          • Sientje Seinen

            better read Romans 1 chapter one verse 30 to verses 34 and also leviticus 18 verse 22 and listen to what Christ said. “Fear God who has the power to cast ye into hell.” whom sent Christ to call us to repentance, If you dont repent it will be on your own head.

          • ken

            Lol, you need to read Proverbs 6:16-19 there are 7 things that the Bible single out that God detests. 1. Thinking you are better than your fellow man. 2.Lying. 3. Murder. 4.a wicked scheming heart. 5.Always intentionally looking to get into wickedness. 6. Telling lies to damage your fellow man. 7. A person that stirs up trouble turning people against each other. Honestly looking at yourself subjectively, and removing any rationalizations, many of these sins have you committed on this site today? Keep in mind, these are the top 7 sins in the bible..I for one do not see homosexuality listed among them..Please get the rafter out of your eye, make sure what you are doing is not worse, than what you are judging others for.

          • Sientje Seinen

            I dont think I am haugthy, you do with your gay pride sexual parades. DOesnt the word pride mean something to you? Wasnt sodom and Gomorroh destroyed because of pride and homosexuality? I am not lying, I havent killed anyone, and you do have a wicked heart scheming how to get homosexuality accepted as normal, and yes you run to mischief by trying to have your perverted sex legalized, Better take the beam out of your own eye dont you think? homosexual behaviour is guilty of all of these sins. Repent.

          • Sientje Seinen

            no need to repress your sexual attractions, just ask the Lord to cleanse your heart from this perverted practice, as He battles satan for us, as it is a battle for your soul, and unless you believe that Christ is Lord, and paid the price for you life with His blood, you will not win the battle and satan will do with you, as you cant fight him on your own. Repent.

          • Jimmie1151

            You have failed to answer my previous points, why are you not listening? I find your imagining me being gay a disgusting display of sexual repression on your part, your obsession with gay people is wrong,knock it off.

            The only significant battle with Satan is your bearing false witness, I pray for your troubles.

          • Sientje Seinen

            I am not bearing false witness, your excuses are so false, that one can see right through them I did answer you, your argument makes no sense, as you dont know the Holy scriptures. In short listen carefully. God has forbidden homosexual relationships. people didnt listen It grieved the Lord God that He felt sorry for having created mankind, He sent the flood and only saved Noah and his family. Then since God In his compassion wanted to save His creation sent Christ to call people to repentance. they did not want to hear, so their hatred greed, sexual depravitiy send Him to the cross. But Christ became the mediator between God and Mankind and now if you repent and ask forgiveness the Lord God forgives solely because the redemptive work of Christ at calvary If you do not accept this that Christ paid the penalty for your sins and mine and repent of same then God’s wrath will rest upon you continaully as you mock Christ great suffering. this is the message through the Holy scripture, mans fall from grace and Christ redeeming mankind by shedding His blood at Calvary. Repent.

        • colt721

          No Who said anything about loveless? First of all STOP changing the meaning of Love. That is where all the issues here start. When you are physically attracted to someone that is not love that is lust!
          Love is to care for reach out to and put someone else’s needs first. to stay in a marriage that is not going well for you out of a sense of wanting to do what is right for others IS love!

          Lust will end; it is influenced by finding someone else to lust after, Loss of desire, changes in body weight or hair style or whatever. Lust focuses on outward appearance. Love focuses on service and caring NO MATTER WHAT the other person looks like or other exterior things.
          If you are talking about a hateful yelling matches fear of life issue that is something else, usually called abuse! Those situations you get out of QUICK! otherwise you need to show love. If your kids see you SHOWING love they will know love.

          • Jimmie1151

            So, how does that have anything to do with homosexuality or heterosexuality? They both go through the same process. Nether homosexuals nor heterosexuals have the monopoly on lust or love. If people fall out of love, then faking it for kids is as destructive as blatant hostility. You don’t think children know the difference when parents love each other or not? Can ayone possibly be that naive?

          • colt721

            Again, Love is not something to be faked because it is not really a feeling that can be faked. Love is caring about someone and putting their needs first. There is no faking to that it is either something you do or do not do.

            If you do the actions the Feelings follow that. when I put my wife’s needs first and consider her before myself then I feel love towards her. If this is the mentality I use the love will follow You cannot try to serve another person’s needs and watch out for them without developing loving “feelings” for them.

            The point that comes up regarding Homosexuality in this case is; The man the article above is talking about was in a marriage. He chose to leave his wife to have a Homosexual partnership.

            Everything he did in this case was fully wrapped around what he wanted, he was serving himself.

            He did not care about his ex wife, leaving her hurt and lost. He did not think about the needs of his kids, exposing them to activities that could scar them, denying them their mother and who knows what else.

            It seems to me that Homosexuality in general tends this way. Look at every argument they use.

            If I were to pursue a woman against her wishes I could be charged with harassment. A gay man doing the same to a straight man? He can’t help it, it’s how he was made/born.

            If I were to lewdly make out with my wife in public, depending how far we went, We could be charged with indecent exposure, Contributing to the delinquency of a minor or who knows what. (this keeps happening at Mardi Gras)

            On gay pride days, however, I have seen Gay men doing exactly the same thing on a float in front of hundreds of people. No problems, no complaints, it is actually “celebrated.”
            The whole mentality then is one supporting the idea that these people should deny any sense of responsibility, that they ought to “care” only about themselves. This denies love for others.

            He was interested only in satisfying himself.

            That is not about love, it is about selfishness.

          • Jimmie1151

            Falling in love or out is not as easy as labeling it arbitrarily as fake. You are not that person and unless you are living that persons experience, then you are just speculating. Your understanding of love and commitment is your experience, not someone else’s.

            As far as parade celebrations, obviously you haven’t seen the sex at the much larger “Love ” parades celebrated by heterosexuals. Celebrating sexual attraction at special events is not exclusive to just homosexuals.

            You are not in a position to know what that gentleman was experiencing, nor are in a position to ascribe your value judgements onto others, speak for yourself.

          • Sientje Seinen

            heterosexuals do not have parades they are modest about their family life and know where their blessing come from, homosexuals blatantly defy the Lord God and flaunt their sins down our peacefull city streets, you shoud be ashamed, nothing to be proud of.

          • Jimmie1151

            St. Patricks? Thanks giving? One of the largest heterosexual parades is the Love Parade healed all over the world, you really need to get out more often.

          • Sientje Seinen

            st patrick people dont go around half naked or men kissing men and women kissing women you dont care what you foist on the children or the public, repent of your sickness

          • ken

            Heterosexual as a group have never been beaten, burned, maimed, and murdered in the name of God either these things have happened in your “Peaceful Streets”, Would you rather we stage riots, and looting as protests, as opposed to peaceful love parades?

          • Sientje Seinen

            why would you stage riots if you are peace loving citizens? why should we have to tolerate your gay pride exhibit of women kissing women and men going around half naked, and if you do want equality maybe those half naked men should be arrested for indecent exposure?

          • ken

            Ok then arrest all of the straight women that run around in less.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you are void of understanding as a woman may walk around in shorts alone, whereas you draw attention to yourselves with your gay parade masquerading half naked down our streets, No child is going to wonder about a lone woman walking around in shorts, they are not lewd or exposing themselves to innocent children/s eyes.

          • Sientje Seinen

            stupid the family could pray together can they not and do children not pray to the Lord, and does He not hear their prayer? Did the Lord not tell us that we have become as little children in order to enter the Kingdom of heaven.? No you make excuses and dont care about children your own pleasure dominates doesnt it?

          • Jimmie1151

            Why do you continue to express your cheap erroneous sexual fantasies about me in public? You are bearing false witness, pray that voice of Satan vomiting from your mouth is exorcized.

          • Sientje Seinen

            So it is like the Lord told me that you are ensnared by satan in his grip as you seem to know satan well, your language already testifies of you doing the will of satan. I am not bearing false witness, as the Lord does care about you, put your trust in Him, and tell satan that Christ is Lord, and that he has no power over you as Christ has defeated satan at Calvary keep repeating that Christ is lord and the devil will flee from you. Christ will fight the battle for you, but you must give your life over to Him

          • Jimmie1151

            I provide you evidence of the original texts and you go berserk spouting Satan? What is wrong with you? You are bearing false witness !!!

          • Sientje Seinen

            That is not the original text you quoted, but something you made up yourself, as the King James version was translated from Greek a long time ago. and yes you are in the grip of satan, who is the father of lies, and you will lie about your homosexual behaviour because that is the nature of the beast or satan which you are ensnared by. Ask the Lord to deliver you out of the hand of satan and to only revere Him as Lord of lord and King of kings. keep reminding satan that Christ is Lord as He defeated satan at calvary, and satan will flee from you and it is strange that you know yourself that you bear false witness, giving evidence of your lies.

          • Jimmie1151

            No, dearie, it is translated from the ancient Greek Bible, the most original texts of the bible. The KJV was translated 500 years later, I’m offering you the more original text, not some 1600’s translation that was written in revenge for King James preference for young men, Your understanding of history sucks. You must really stop listening to the disciple’s of Satan’s mistranslations in your ear.

          • Sientje Seinen

            see we cant believe a word you say I have the Messianic bible translated from the Hebrew Bible and its more accurate than any bible you come up with as homosexuals are in the grip of satan and we all know as our Lord Christ Jesus tells us. satan is the father of lies, so how can you be a servant of satan not lie?

          • Jimmie1151

            The *Messianic Bible translations* are translations, or editions of translations, in English of the Christian Bible which are widely used within the Messianic Judaism movement.
            They are not exactly the same as Jewish English Bible translations of the Tora.

            Once upon a time there was a tribe living in the Middle East that had a collection of sacred texts written in Hebrew, Chaldean and Aramaic. It is the nature of sacred tests to be venerated and transmitted from generation to generation unaltered.

            As time passed members of this tribe emigrated to areas where Hebrew and Aramaic and Chaldean were not spoken. A large community settled and prospered in the city of Alexandria in Egypt. Greek replaced their tribal language. They needed an accurate translation of their venerated documents into Greek, the first translation.

            *Around 250 B.C. seventy rabbis translated the sacred texts into Greek*. This translation was not a bootleg edition. The project was approved by the High Priest and the Sanhedrin in Jerusalem. The Septuagint, the translation of the seventy, was an official document.

            A Hebrew Bible exists today. It is used by Jews everywhere. It is called the Masoretic text. It was compiled around 700 A.D. It is almost one thousand years newer than the Septuagint. *The rabbis who compiled the Masoretic text were not accountable to the High Priest in Jerusalem. There no longer was a High Priest. The rabbis who compiled the Masoretic text were not accountable to the Sanhedrin in Jerusalem. There no longer was a Sanhedrin.*

            The Septuagint predates the first appearance of the Masoretic text by almost ten centuries. The Septuagint is based upon Hebrew texts at least twelve centuries older than the texts upon which the Masoretic version is based. Yet, modern Christian translations of the Old Testament rely on the Masoretic Text, not the Septuagint.

            *The first English translations were hand written in 1380’s* AD by John Wycliffe , an Oxford professor.

            The great revision of the Bishop’s Bible had begun. From *1605* to *1606* the scholars engaged in private research. From *1607* to *1609* the work was assembled. In *1610* the work went to press, and in*1611* the first of the huge (16 inch tall) pulpit folios known today as “The 1611 King James Bible” came off the printing press. King James was a well known homosexual.

            At the age of thirteen James fell madly in love with his male cousin Esme Stuart whom he made Duke of Lennox. James deferred to Esme to the consternation of his ministers. In 1582 James was kidnapped and forced to issue a proclamation against his lover and send him back to France. Later, James fell in love with a poor young Scotsman named Robert Carr. “The king leans on his [Carr’s] arm, pinches his cheeks, smooths his ruffled garment, and when he looks upon Carr, directs his speech to others.” (Thomas Howard, Earl of Suffolk, in a letter, 1611). The scholars objected to The kings proclivities and inserted the homosexual abominations, deliberately mistranslating in revenge against the King.

            I’m sorry dear, your understanding of history…. sucks.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you are so dumb the Torah was given to the Israelites remember that God chose a nation for Himself to have them worship Him and give praise and glory to His Name. He gave them the laws on Mount Sinai, so that they could be a light to the gentiles. since homosexuality is condemned in the Torah you are saying the Lord gave the wrong message to the people? You are so wet behind your ears, King James was not a homosexual, He Married Mary Queen of Scots. you are trying to make lies out of what is really the Truth, no wonder as your master is satan the Father of lies. And since you dont acknowledge Christ as your Lord and saviour how can you be adopted into spiritual Israel, as Christ came to call Israel to repentance so we who beleive are adopted into the Olive Tree, and we are not to boast over the natural branches as we only stand by faith, We have the same faith as Abraham, whom believed God and it was counted to him as being righteous. and remember God told Abraham if he could find five righteous men in the city of sodom and Gomorroh he would not destroy it, but alas not five righteous men could be found, see abraham also knew it was a grave sin against the Lord God, and so the homosexual city of Sodom and Gomorroh was destroyed, fear God and repent.

          • Jimmie1151

            Sorry, honey, baby sweetie pie, those mythological laws on Mt. Sinai , (1490 B.C.) are actually plagiarized from the Egyptian book of the dead (2600 B.C.), which predates the exodus from Egypt.

          • Sientje Seinen

            and I guess that is why the Lord struck the Egyptians with all those plagues as they did not follow the commandments given to the Israelites at Mt Sinai. they are not mythological, the Laws were given to the Jews, who were suppose to be a light unto the world, and now we with the Jewish people are the Light and salt of the earth, since we do fear the Lord God of Israel and Christ who made the Lord God of Israel known to us. you talk awfully strange, is this how homosexuals talk in baby talk?

          • Jimmie1151

            Yeah, another mass abortion. It has been discovered that the 10 commandments are based on chapter 125 in the Egyptian book of the dead (Although Exodus 34 contains ten imperative statements, the passages in Exodus 20 and Deuteronomy 5 contain more than ten, totaling fourteen or fifteen in all.)

            “Hail to thee, great God, Lord of the Two Truths. I have come unto thee, my Lord, that thou mayest bring me to see thy beauty. I know thee, I know thy name, I know the names of the 42 Gods who are with thee in this broad hall of the Two Truths . . . Behold, I am come unto thee. I have brought thee truth; I have done away with sin for thee. I have not sinned against anyone. I have not mistreated people. I have not done evil instead of righteousness . . .

            I have not reviled the God. ( name in vane, no other gods)
            I have not laid violent hands on an orphan.
            I have not done what the God abominates . . . ( do not sin)
            I have not killed; I have not turned anyone over to a killer. ( thou salt not kill)
            I have not caused anyone’s suffering . . . I have not copulated (illicitly); I have not been unchaste. (Adultery)
            I have not increased nor diminished the measure, I have not diminished the palm; I have not encroached upon the fields. ( do unto others)
            I have not added to the balance weights; I have not tempered with the plumb bob of the balance. ( do not steal)
            I have not taken milk from a child’s mouth; I have not driven small cattle from their herbage . . . ( covet)
            I have not stopped (the flow of) water in its seasons; I have not built a dam against flowing water.
            I have not quenched a fire in its time . . .
            I have not kept cattle away from the God’s property. I have not blocked the God at his processions.

            http://carm.org/jews-borrow-pagans

          • Sientje Seinen

            yes well you can put your name down for causing grief to your parents by involving yourself in illicit or perverted sex, it is the same thing, you dont follow the commandment of the Lord God “Go out and multiply” No where does the Lord God have a commandment to go out lust after strange flesh.

          • Jimmie1151

            This is a perfect example of why we have a secular constitutional government. That kind of insane proselytizing is exactly why Christians have killed 8 times more people than Muslims, pure unadulterated hate masquerading as religion. Keep your sex crazed fantasies to yourself, my wife and I will pray for your salvation.

          • ChicoEscuela

            Oh……………so now you’re not only defending Barack Hussein Obama – but also the IslamoNazi’s
            Hilarious Elderly Leftist Slug

          • Sientje Seinen

            see we cant believe a word you say I have the Messianic bible translated from the Hebrew Bible and its more accurate than any bible you come up with as homosexuals are in the grip of satan and we all know as our Lord Christ Jesus tells us. satan is the father of lies, so how can you be a servant of satan not lie?

    • jmichael39

      I think that was the actual point of her article, Nikki…to make sure that people realize that there are destroyed families left behind when someone leaves a family to follow their ____…instead of keeping their vows. I HIGHLY doubt she was trying to excuse heterosexual cheating…in fact, I know she wasn’t. You might want to read the article again.

      • Jimmie1151

        I find her unsubstantiated character assassination of her ex, highly suspicious.

        • jmichael39

          I wouldn’t call them unsubstantiated….she does provide substance them. But I think what you’re implying is basically that every story sounds great until you hear the other side.

          • Jimmie1151

            Not really, her entire story… is just an unsubstantiated story, basically an unsourced opinion. I do agree that we are only hearing one side.

          • jmichael39

            I think her account is a first hand account and quite literally the highest form of evidence from a legal perspective anyway.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Jimmy is one of those people who cant see the forest for the trees.

          • Jimmie1151

            Yeah, I’ve done nothing but quote from the original jungle, your the one who insists on twigs.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you are part of that jungle by throwing society into chaos with you claiming that homosexual perversion is a right. Why are you insisting on bringing chaos into our society? isnt it bad enough with crime rates going up, and now you have to teach our children about sexual orientation which they learn soon enough without your help.

          • Jimmie1151

            No, You have a negative emotional connection to homosexuality that can never be camouflaged by your misinterpreted texts. The more that gets closer, the more your pathetic defenses. A healthy heterosexual has no vested interest in what others do, why should they? But you aren’t indifferent, which is the polar opposite of love, you hate and that is your sin, not mine. Crime has gone down for decades, just another example of reaching desperately to find fault, you might as well say earthquakes.
            Sorry, but talking to you is like speaking with a stone dogma wall. Good evening and may God forgive your hateful and miserable soul.

          • Sientje Seinen

            your reply speaks of hatred towards me for telling you the Truth, where did you get your statistics, crime has increased drastically, now many people dont even report when they are attacked or have their home invaded? and notice how our schools are becoming more and more under not being safe places to send our kids anymore? and you do not help it with advertising your sexual orientation, leave it alone, It isnt something people are suppose to worship, Worship the Lord God and give thanks for all His blessings as there may come a time when the Lord will withold His blessings with people no longer giving praise and thanks to Him, but following the evil desires of their heart

          • Jimmie1151

            Your truth is hate. Your imagining I’m gay only exposes your projected ignorance.

          • Sientje Seinen

            when you condone homosexuality and even come to defend it, in your heart you are gay, whether you try to make us believe you are not, when you condone a sinfull action, you are a participant in same action, the same for when you condone thievery, you in your heart giving acceptance to same.

          • Jimmie1151

            No, Jesus has taught me to love and forgive unconditionally. We have beautiful loving family members who are gay and friends as well. They fill our lives with joy. You hate and judge, that is not the opposite of love, it is love twisted out of proportion. The opposite of love is indifference, you are very,very, far from indifference. You are committing one of the greatest sins, lying to yourself.

          • Sientje Seinen

            it is always about yourself isnt it, how great you are in forgiving unconditionally and how you pat yourselves on the back. This isnt what love is about, it is about being able to understand the suffering Christ endured for your sake and mine, so that you will repent and turn back to the Lord God Christ heavenly father, who calls homosexual love an abomination. repent and stop telling yourself how great you are, You need to come before the Lord and acknowledge your weaknesses and Christ in His strength will fight the battle for you, as we cannot hope to stand in our own strength

          • Jimmie1151

            And you are all about yourself aren’t you? Hate and judgement. That is not Jesus’s way. My higher power and I are good, you can keep yours.

          • Sientje Seinen

            No you seem to delight in the suffering of Christ as when one does not pay attention to His Word, and repent of their sinfull ways which are an abomination in His eyes, then you mock Him and God’s wrath will fall upon you continually. this is why He came to set us free from sinfull desires and suffered greatly as He took on the wrath of God for same, but if you mock Him, you will provoke the Lord God to anger.

          • Jimmie1151

            Oh, go stand on a street corner with your hate and put your nonsense on a sign, maybe someone will take pity and toss a few coins.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you have been warned and since you do not believe in your heart and keep ridiculing Christ’s suffering and holding Him up to shame by enjoying your sinfulness and even promoting it, Is Christ an agent of sin?. May the Lord hide his face from you for your wicked behaviour.

          • Jimmie1151

            I have done nothing of the kind, you are not Christ, how dare you bear false witness.

          • Sientje Seinen

            then why are you condoning homosexuality, as when you condone you believe your wisdom is greater than the Lord God, who sent Christ for us to repent and turn away from sin, so return to the Lord, and He will abundantly pardon.

          • Jimmie1151

            I never said my wisdom was greater. My “wisdom ” is God’s gift. Jesus never said anything against homosexuality, who am I to insert a value judgement that is counter to God’s creations?

          • Sientje Seinen

            boy you are dense Jimmie what do you suppose Christ meant when He said “Fear God who has the power to cast ye into hell?” Have you forgotten that God said that homosexuality is an abomination? how soon you forget, since Christ was sent by God to call you to repentance and you are not repenting or your friends keep on sinning in their sodomy, should they then not listen to Christ and fear God and repent? Why do you think Christ was sent? just so you could do whatever turns you on,? isnt for us to repent of murder, lewdness, jealousy, hatred strife covetousness, lusting after the same sex, This is why He suffered so that you will turn to Him and ask forgiveness for all of this in your heart, or any of it in your heart, and if you say none of this is in your heart, then you are a liar. and the truth is not in you This goes for everybody, your pope included

          • Jimmie1151

            God never said homosexuality was an abomination, that is a mistranslation. Mistranslation is based on two ancient Greek words “malakoi” & “arsenokoitai” (Greek letters “ARSENOKOITAI ” literally, “male-beds”), which was a new word used by Paul (Saul) at the time and not a common term for homo-sexuality. Because Paul was speaking in a religious context, the word “arsenokoitai” has been translated as referring to male-pimps or customers in temple prostitution, a common practice in so-called pagan rituals widespread in Temple Cult worship of the time. [The minor term “malakoi” (used to describe “soft” clothing) is non-sexual and has been translated as “effeminate” (KJV), although others state “weaklings” or “morally weak, lazy” men.]

            Rarity of Words- . The ancient Greek word “arsenokoitai” occurs in only those 2 verses, 1 Corinthians 6:9 & 1 Timothy 1:10. Logically, if homosexuality were considered a sin, there should be many verses about it, and the word “arsenokoitai” would occur more than twice if it had referred to a major issue, such as homosexuality; the rarity of the word fits the logical translation: the word “arsenokoitai” refers to the rare practice of temple prostitution, not general homosexuality. (See: 73 references to arsenokoit* found in TLG E Feb/2000, “http://www.jeramyt.org/gay/arsenok.htm”.) Yet, precisely because the word is so rare and had no formal definition, the word “arsenokoitai” is crucial in fostering misinterpretation of the Bible: a more common word could not be so easily redefined.

            Priorities – . The verses in the Bible follow certain priorities: for example, the words “adultery” or “adulteress/adulterer” (Greek “moixoi” ) occur 47 times in the King James Version; however, the word “arsenokoitai” occurs only 2 times, and the common terms of that time period about homosexual activity are not mentioned in the Bible at all (such as man-boy pairing, Greek “erastes-eromenos”). Condemning homosexuality in Biblical times was not an issue, not a priority, at all.

            A Sanity- Test – . Since adultery & adulterer are mentioned 47 times in the King James Version, it could be expected that a sin would be mentioned many times in the Bible: the condemnation of lying/liars occurs over 70 times (“liar” 21 times, “false witness” 19, “lying” lips/tongues 31 times); murder is prohibited 35+ times (“murderer” 20 etc.); and stealing is condemned 73+ times (“steal” 23 times, “thief/robber” 50+, except stealing for food: Proverbs 6:30 “Men do not despise a thief, if he steal to satisfy his soul when he is hungry.” [KJV]). However, the common terms (used in those days) to describe homosexual activity are not even mentioned. It doesn’t make sense to translate a few rare words & phrases as condemning homosexuality, when specific sins are mentioned many times in the Bible–it simply doesn’t pass a sanity-test.

            A Reality- Test – . During the time period of 1 Corinthians 6:9 & 1 Timothy^ 1:10,:the word “arsenokoitai” occurred in only a few religious writings, such as a later text describing Adam deceived to have sex with serpent-god Naas. The erotic literature of the period never used the word “arsenokoitai” but used other ancient Greek terms (“erastes-eromenos”: man-boy pairing) to describe homosexual practices, and those Greek terms were never mentioned in the Greek texts of the Bible. To try to re-interpret & translate other Bible verses into condemning those specific (unnamed) acts is just not realistic–it doesn’t pass a reality-test (“reality_check”). The translation of the ancient Greek New Testament must fit the language & cultures of the time period. The translation must match the reality of that era.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Go ahead and make excuses, you are just like that pharisee that prayed to God, I am glad like that publican overthere, as that is exactly what you are saying, and the Lord said the publican who beat his breast and prayed thus. “forgive me Lord a sinner:” went to his home being forgiven and justified by God through Christ but the pharisee, that is you, Christ condemned being so proud he is not like that adulterer. Go and take the beam out of your own eye.and you will see clearly to take out the mote in your brothers eye. God said clearly homosexuality is an abomination and if you dont believe that read Romans chapter one, where it tells you God gave them up, to practice their uncleanliness among themselves, they are haters of God disobedient, and without mercy.

          • Jimmie1151

            Excuses? I just went to a lot of trouble to provide you with credible evidence of errors in translations, I gave you the more accurate, original word of God, the least you could do is show some civility and thank me. But no, you refuse the original intent of our lord and instead chose the twisted false word of men. Christ felt love and acceptance for the gay Centurion and his Greek lover, he healed the Greek boy and blessed them both. You are no follower of Christ, he never hated anyone, only love. May the darkness of hatred in your heart, find the light of forgiveness and acceptance that Christ wants your heart to be filled with.

          • Sientje Seinen

            the centurion did not have a greek lover it was his servant whom he was concerned about. not his lover, you do twist the Word of God, do you have no fear of the Lord God, as it is written if you add or subtract anything from the Holy Scriptures the Lord will add the plagues to you written in the Holy Word. and see how many homosexuals die of Aids. also Paul warned you about this in Romans chapter one verse 23–26 Is Paul now also a liar? whom Christ chose to bring his gospel to the gentiles? repent you need to ask the Lord for forgiveness not of me, I cant forgive you for mocking Christ our Lord and saviour, it is you yourself who needs to humble yourself before Him and acknowledge Him as Lord and saviour instead of an agent of sin condoning your depravity by practicing perverted sex. shame on you.

          • Jimmie1151

            Sorry, the term for lover and servant were identical, it was very common for older professional men to have younger lovers. We call supposes pet, but they aren’t cats or dogs. Your ignorance of history is staggering.
            All Christians have a duty before God to interpret scripture honestly, in context, instead of divorcing verses from their context and then insisting they mean something they never meant to the original hearers.
            There is no cultural indication, no doctrinal indication, no historical indication, no linguistic indication, no literary indication, no religious indication, that Paul intended to blast lesbians and gays in Romans 1:26-27.

            Instead, Paul chooses as his illustration, the worst possible transgression of pagan Gentiles, the sin of idolatry, so that the Jews in his reading audience will be saying, *”Yes, Yes, they’re guilty!”* Then Paul will spring his rhetorical trap in 2:1 when he declares that Jewish idolatry is just as sinful as Gentile idolatry and therefore, in chapter 3:23, everyone is guilty. Here is how Paul puts his argument together.

            The context of Romans 1 is pagan worship of false gods, particularly Cybele, known in the first century as Protectress of Rome or Magna Mater – Great Mother. I devote three pages on this website to answering the question: Why is Cybele vital to understanding Romans 1?
            Early Christian writers like Aristides understood Paul to be describing Cybele worship. Paul has a particular goal in mind when writing to the church at Rome. That goal involved presenting the glorious gospel of Christ, Rom. 1:16-18.

            The gospel reveals and declares the wrath of God against sin, that God punished Jesus for our sins when Jesus died, as us for us, as our Substitute. Yet no one gets saved until s(he) understands that s(he) is a sinner who has transgressed God’s holy law *for by the law is the knowledge of sin.*

            Therefore, to make it clear that all are sinners, Romans 3:23, Paul references idolatry, pointing out the idolatry of Gentiles who worshiped false gods, and by implication, the idolatry of Jews because in the OT, they also broke God’s law and worshiped the false gods of the Gentiles. Their particular worship of false gods involved same sex sexual rituals, Lev 17:7, 18:3, 21-22, 20:2, 3, 4, 5, 13, Deu 23:17-18.

            Paul uses words like akatharsian in Rom 1:24, the
            same Greek word used in the Septuagint translation of the OT to describe shrine prostitution and shrine prostitutes ( Male and Female common at that time) . Almost everyone who read Romans 1 in the first century would have been struck by the link to shrine prostitution which Paul’s use of akatharsian indicated.

            To support his argument, in Rom. 1:26-27, Paul cites examples of idolatry utilizing the idolatrous behavior of Gentiles in the OT and the idolatrous behavior which was part of everyday life in mid-first century Rome. That idolatry was the unholy worship of Cybele, also called Minerva and other names, depending on one’s cultural heritage.

            Cybele as the Phrygian goddess had five temples in mid-first century Rome. As the consort of Jupiter, she also had another temple in Rome besides her five Cybele temples. Cybele was featured on Roman coins used in mid-first century Rome and throughout the empire. Paul was condemning and shaming married men using these temples being unfaithful to their wives, nothing against homosexuality. Paul did not lie, his words were misinterpreted.

          • Sientje Seinen

            No paul wasnt talking about married man, he was talking effiminates, pretending to be the wife of a man, where he was in actuality another man, fornication, homosexuality, etc, will not inherit the kingdom of God, why would God change his mind and say now it is okay when He called it an abomination before, you can lie to yourself, but you cant lie to the Lord God who sees your perverted sexual mating, and it all recorded in the book of Life, Just pray that you name wont be blotted out of the book of Life, by making Christ an agent of sin, repent and stop mocking Christ suffering on calvary. seems only gays have the right translations is that what you are saying? boy you are arrogant on top of being an idolatrous person by worshipping yourself. Remember Christ who spoke these Words “Go and sin no More” and fear God who has the power to cast ye into hell.” repent while there is still time.

          • Jimmie1151

            Oh, the magical voices in your head speaking english, a language Paul never spoke, telling you 600 years later what YOU think Paul said. Madam, you are soo ignorantly pathetic, you insult my intelligence when you never even bother to respond intelligently to any point I have made. Your just dodging everything, it is like talking to some stubborn, obstinate mule that refuses to listen or move.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Dont you see that under you message there is always “His actions speak for themselves” Why dont you read the real Bible which was inspired by the Holy spirit instead of rosie O’donnels bible in which she rewrites the holy scriptures to suit herself, repent before it is too late. and just to make my point for the last time, as you are not listening either, or like the Lord says you have become hard of hearing,when the pharisees asked Jesus about divorce this was his answer. “for your hardness of heart Moses wrote a decree of divorce, BUT in the beginning it was not so, Male and female He created them” notice male and female? can you understand that? See Christ speaks of God creating a female for a man, not another man for a man. And for you to say that the verse of Leviticus 18 verse 22 is about a married man sleeping around, you are gross, as that is already dealt with under the heading of adultery. No it says man shall not lie down with mankind as with womankind it is an abomination.” it is clearly written it is called homosexuality which when you dont turn away from same The Lord condemns,

          • Jimmie1151

            I have read the bible, the original bible translated from ancient Greek, why don’t you get help reading that bible and then we can have an adult conversation.

            God created male and female, homosexuals are male and female.

            Leviticus 18:22, the wording of the original Hebrew is very different from the KJV form:

            “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind:
            it is abomination.” [Leviticus 18:22, King James Version]
            However, the original Hebrew for Leviticus 18:22 reveals a different 3rd meaning:

            “We-et-zakar lo’ tishkav mishkevey ‘ishshah” [Lev 18:22 Hebrew, Latinized] (“And-with a-male NOT lie-down in beds-of a-woman”) [Lev 18:22 literal translation]

            So, the Hebrew Leviticus 18:22 mentions: someone + a male + a woman; hence, a forbidden 3-way.

            Those 2 infamous Leviticus verses actually mention other women or wives, rather than male-male relationships, as is often the misinterpretation & mistranslation, which is why you are having a problem understanding.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you are really a sad species of humanity, since when are two homosexual males, a male and a female? can a homosexual male carry a child like a female? can they breast feed like a female? you need help you are a sick puppy dog.

            And since the word for a man sleeping with another woman not his wife is adultery, mentioned in the commandments Thou shalt not commit adultery, why are you changing the Word of God when He gives the commandment man shall not lie with mankind as with womankind, simple man is not to sleep with another man like as with a woman, there I put in simple form for you so you could grasp it and understand. God calls this an abomination, He call adultery a sin but homosexuality is from satan, as he tells you lies as satan is the father of lies. repent and give your homosexuality over to Christ as He must fight the battle for you, as you cant fight it on your own, Christ defeated satan who has you in his grip,. repent before it is too late.

          • Jimmie1151

            Geeze, you are crazy. God made homosexuals, they aren’t sterile, they can use surrogacy just like all infertile couples do. Lesbians can use artificial insemination. The ten commandments were borrowed from the Egyptian book of the dead, the story of Noah was borrowed from the Mesopotamians, Christmas day was borrowed from the Pagans as was Easter. I just provided you with the original translation, but you are just mindlessly stuck in the erroneous English version which was just old English scholars getting revenge on old King James’s homosexuality. Who is your bigoted hate getting revenge for?

          • Sientje Seinen

            shows how far you are from the Lord Christ Jesus, when you dont know that surrogate mothes is sinfull, as how much do you have to pay for someone to carry your sperm for you? and does that make your male counterpart feminine, he is still a male with male parts. Just remember the Lord Said “Vengeance is mine, I will repay” you are sinning and mocking Christ great suffering on Calvary, repent God did not make homosexuals, you decided to act on your lusting after strange flesh, you could have abstained, the same as an alcoholic can abstain, or a drug addict, you are ensnared by satan, as God would not make someone in the womb homosexual and then make a law forbidding same,. Shows you do not know the Lord God of Israel and Christ whom He sent repent and stop acting on your perverted sex.

          • Jimmie1151

            You have no idea what you are talking about there is nothing against surrogacy in the bible, there is nothing against contraception, abortion is advocated, there is a recipe for abortion, a fetus is not a human being until God breathes life into it after being born and there is nothing against homosexuality. You are bearing false witness by using mistranslated text, you are sinning by arrogantly speaking in God’s name and hypocritically proselytizing in public. Before you continue to beat people over the head with false biblical text, clean thine own House, sinner……

          • Sientje Seinen

            I cant believe how retarded you are Think about this, Adam and eve disobeyed God so they were driven out of paradise, and sin and death came into the world, you got that? Now since God calls homosexuality a grave sin, that He calls it an abomination, that you do not fear the Lord God. instead you are disobeying just like Adam and Eve. and there is a penalty for that, the Lord says their sin will be upon their own head, and since you mock Christ suffering on Calvary and keep on sinning you are condemned, your actions condemn you, as Christ is not an agent of sin, so is being a surrogate mom a sin as it done for money, you cannot love God and not obey Him, That is why the Lord;s anger will be upon you constantly because you mock His love which was manifested in Christ stop being so retarded and instead of serving your own lusts think about Christ who suffered and bore the wrath of God for this, so you could repent. I have asked the Lord to cleanse my heart of wickedness, why are you asking the Lord to cleanse yours of your wicked thoughts and ways?

          • Jimmie1151

            Huh? You completely passed over Lilith, Adam’s divorced first wife. Do you know where we get the word lullaby from, Adam’s first wife who was created equally( he created they them?). God never called homosexuality a grave sin, you are such a bearer of false witness. Paul, was only saying married men should not use male or female Pagan temple prostitutes, I told you this translation from the more original ancient Greek bible, are you completely mentally challenged?

            I don’t mock Christ, you do, you filthy lying fraud, Jesus never said anything against homosexuality. Did you know where the word “Christ” came from? “Cristos” ( greek) was originally a put down, “sheep people”, or what we would more commonly call passive ” hippies “. Only later did the sacrificial lamb become the “anointed one”. Are you a passive loving follower of Christ? Hell, no!!! I don’t mock God, you do by bearing false witness to his original words that you vomit mistranslated. You should be ashamed of using false words in the name of God to attack people with. Repent the erroneous words of the false profit, begone you deceitful disciple of Satan !!

          • Sientje Seinen

            You do mock Christ the only begotten son of God, by condoning homosexuality, and we dont believe your bible we believe the Word of God which Holy men wrote which were inspired by the Holy spirit. you are ensnared by satan to do his will, I will never follow you, and your disgusiting behaviour of homosexuality, God forbid, and Christ is the Son of God, and they are One, so they speak the same language, as is the Father so is the Son, you are trying to make Christ into your own image. you are sick Did Christ not say “Fear God who has the power to cast ye into hell?” what do you suppose He meant by that, He means for you to listen to the Word of God I am tired of your garbage, and pray that you will come to know the Lord God of Israel and Christ Jesus whom He sent, which you mock.by condoning homosexuality. Repent. satan would not tell you to put your trust in Christ but tell you to hate me for telling you the truth. so you know you are ensnared by satan, as He doesnt want you to stop your perverted sex.

          • Jimmie1151

            No, quite the opposite, I have had the great privilege of having one of the few people on earth to speak some ancient languages,he did great deal of translation from the ancient Greek which was the first translation of the bible, so you are not relying on the most original religious scholars, but translations made 600 years later. However if you take your belief seriously, at least use the *New Testament Greek bible as it is the more accurate version ( 99.5%). You mock Jesus by not using the most accurate version. *

        • Ax2root

          His actions speak for themselves

          • Jimmie1151

            What actions? She suspiciously does not say why the judge really did not give her custody, how about she give us the official ruling? She also does not give us the other side of the story, why are you ignoring those screaming contradictions?

          • Ax2root

            If the case is that she is ALSO A PSYCHO IN THINKING….then the children should be protected from BOTH of them

          • Jimmie1151

            Without the court record to understand the judge’s determination, speculation proves nothing.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lol was the judge a lesbian or homosexual? notice the judge of the supreme court in canada is a lesbian wouldnt you think that influences her decisions?

          • Jimmie1151

            Now you see gay people everywhere. Sad.

          • Sientje Seinen

            well how would you like your mother preferring another women over you, or the same for your father, is not that what is happening to the children. shame that you cant see the suffering of the children in this case with the father following his tally wag.

          • Jimmie1151

            I’m content in my own intimacy, what others do does not threaten mine, nor is what others do any of my concern. I am totally comfortable turning the other cheek, I strive to be accepting, as I want to be accepted by God, unconditionally and hold my expectations up to only to my self. I do not cast stones.

          • ChicoEscuela

            This Failed Worthless Leftist claims it’s a Christian with great values.

            Judge Worthless Leftist Jimmie by it’s comments filled with Hate and Anger for anyone that doesn’t fall in brown shirt lock step with it. Those comments certainly aren’t very Christian.

            33,109 Comments from this Leftist Slug – over a hundred a day and it says that it is a productive citizen. JimmieNoShoes is just another freeloading American complaining when it doesn’t get enough.

          • Sientje Seinen

            turning your other cheek in this instance is the same as to let “evil flourish when good man dont speak up or do nothing,” doesnt Peter tell us that to turn a man from the error of his ways, will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins.:” why are you not listening to the Word which Christ spoke and taught His disciples, I dont mean the pope he isnt an apostle of christ our Lord.

          • Jimmie1151

            EVIL, in this case, is your interpretation. Hate is YOUR obsession, not mine.

          • Sientje Seinen

            no you have wrong Jimmie I listen to the Word of God, therefore I do revere the Lord in my heart, You dont, so there is hatred in your heart for not listening to the Word of God and Christ whom He sent, “fear God who has the power to cast ye into hell: and whom sent Christ for us to repent of sinfull thoughts doings and not listening to the Word, as Christ is the Living Word, and remember the Lord also said “vengeance is mine, I will repay.: so be carefull that you dont go around condoning homosexuality and the promoting of this agenda upon society.

          • Jimmie1151

            You listen to yourself which is hateful. And you judge and you condemn, that is up to god, not you. You aren’t listening to God, because I have intelligently and credibly sourced how your definition was mistranslated from original texts. If you really were listening to god you would be more objective with the evidence, but you are not.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you are already condemned because you do not believe in Christ redemptive work at Calvary, where He took on the wrath of God for these sins, and if you dont repent God’s wrath will rest on you continually. why arent you praising the Lord for sending Christ to call you to repentance instead of promoting your own selfish interests by making excuses for your behaviour?

          • Jimmie1151

            You really think Christ wanted you to hate? You hate, that is not Christ, you can not let Christ into your heart if you judge, condemn and hate.

          • Sientje Seinen

            Jimmie you have grown dense and void of the spirit otherwise you would know that we are speaking the truth to you in love, so that you wont perish, Did you know the pharisee didnt like to hear the Truth either, so they hated christ, so your hatred for what I am telling you, is the same as the pharisees hating christ, as Christ is not an agent of sin, but suffered for you and me to return and let go of your lusting after the same gender, as this is an abomination in the eyes of the Lord, Christ paid the penalty for these sins of the flesh, His suffering was great, to bring you back into His fold and be conformed into his image, pure and chaste before the Lord God, whom calls homosexuality an abomination. Ask the Lord to cleanse your heart of all wickedness and wash away your sins, and to help you fight the temptations of the flesh, so that you can truly say and give thanks to the Lord God for Christ being your Lord and saviour, Repent and sin no more.

      • Griffonn

        The only way gays can reproduce is by finding or making a broken family to exploit.

        All individuals are entitled to equal rights, but all methods and procedures are not equal: there is a right way and a wrong way to make a family.

        • Bolvon72

          The only way a couple with fertility issues to reproduce is by finding or making a broken family to exploit. No marriage or children for them!

          • Griffonn

            “Couples” do not have fertility issues; individuals do.

            When your “fertility issue” is just that you don’t want to honor or respect or support your child’s real baby-mama, because you want to give your baby to your lover for Christmas, that is not making a family, that is buying a pet.

            The reality is that gays have a conflict between their desired fantasy vs. the child’s best interest. Unlike hetero couples, they can’t adopt without coming into conflict with the rules of adoption – what they want is simply not compatible with the child’s best interest. The child has reason to value having both mother and father; the gay couple wants not only for the child to miss one of those precious relationships, but to NOT MIND – which requires lies. Nobody has the right to expect their child to lie for them.

            Gays say they are eligible for marriage because it is “not procreative”, but they don’t really mean it, do they? They want to be procreative, and since they can’t be procreative for real, they’ll settle for making everyone play along with lies. But children aren’t for using that way.

          • Bolvon72

            You know you don’t have to keep coming up with silly reasons and excuses. Say it loud, say it proud: “I simply hate gay people!” Now go make a sign and protest a few funerals. Do whatever it is your type does, just leave me out of it.

          • Griffonn

            All right: I simply hate it when people lie and try to force me to participate in their lies and when people abuse children!

            There. I feel much better.

          • vivkingswood

            You’re right. A life of orphanages and foster homes is a much better time for children than gay parents or single parents – I can only assume, given your insistence that kids MUST have a mother and a father that this also applies to single people wishing to adopt/have children. Oh, and we should probably get started on rounding up all the kids that currently live in single parent homes too – wouldn’t want to mistreat them!

          • Griffonn

            Whether you’re gay or straight, if you are not committed to the child’s welfare – and thus able and willing to give that child a healthy, intact family – then you are not ready to adopt, and adoption was supposed to protect children from people who wanted to use children and weren’t really committed to the child’s welfare.

            Being willing to justify ad nauseum why the child isn’t going to mind being deprived of the things you intend to deprive that child of is not “being a committed parent”. It shows commitment – but to something other than the child’s well-being.

          • Jody Stafford

            I don’t hate gay people, but just like religious fanatics, I am sick and tired of having it shoved down my throat all the time. And that’s exactly the way it is now. You can no longer stay passive about it but are forced to choose sides. I tried to be passive, “live and let Live”, you know. But we don’t have that option any more.

          • ken

            I guess, I don’t understand the term “Shoved down your throat.” Homosexuals, are just less afraid to be known, they are no longer afraid to defend themselves against the attack of religion, and want the same rights as everyone else, and are not afraid anymore to demand them. Yes they are more visible. And you will be having to deal more people who are openly gay. But to say you are neutral is a lie, that is saying I don’t like it, but don’t want to say I font like it, and become unpopular, In this statement, you just said Live and let live, in one breath and in another you said, I can live as free and as open as I want (shoving my life down your throat), and you can live as you want, as long as it is closeted and I don’t have to see, or deal with it. That is hypocritical.

          • Sientje Seinen

            same sex marriage isnt a right, the basic rights of human beings are 1 food, 2 shelter and 3 clothing. You just want legalization for your perverted sex. which is not a right.

          • Jody Stafford

            That is not what I said. But I have known many gay people in the past 20 yrs and I never judged them and they didn’t try to force their lifestyle off on me either. But now, most of them treat me like I am diseased because I am not gay. LIke they are superior to me and that I owe them because they are gay. I don’t owe them a damned thing and they are not superior to me or anyone else. I am tired of the gay community treating me like I betrayed them or something. Yes, there are people that bully them and treat them badly, but not me. So why are they acting like I am dung between their toes. And if you don’t know what I am talking about, please keep your mouth shut and don’t try to tell me what I am saying.

          • ken

            You are absolutely right, if you have been treated badly you have the right to be upset, but as a gay man, I have had straight people treating me that way for years. The comment you made above then was steriotypical, suggesting that all gay people are shoving a lifestyle down your throat. Most of us want nothing more than to be respected, and extended, the same (if marriage is not a right) then the same Non – right amenities as offered to everyone else. And equality is a right.in this country. A right that gay people in order to survive, have silently let slip by until the time was right, That time is now, when we can demand the right of equality, without fear of bodily harm. Now if we were given that right, when we asked for it, that would have been the end of it, as it stands, that right is still denied, and now we have to fight for it. We are sorry, if there are offended people, but as an american, you should know from history fighting for freedom, is rarely pretty.

          • Sientje Seinen

            It isnt so much that we hate the gay people, It is more that they hate us and anything that is decent, noble or honest, See them flaunting their sinful ways down our streets, and wasnt satan also kicked out of heaven for having great pride, i.e the gay pride parade, mocking Christ suffering on Calvary.

          • Jody Stafford

            and if that is true, then that is another sin because the Bible says we are to procreate. Being gay goes against everything that is holy.

          • Griffonn

            It is true that ‘gay marriage’ does necessarily require that Christians (as well as traditional practitioners of every other faith in the world – Hindu and Buddhism etc) – lose their right to refrain from what is forbidden, taboo, or unclean.

            And that is why people say – perversely – that religious people “just want to shove their religion down other peoples’ throats”. Because humanists are the ones shoving their beliefs down peoples’ throats, but humanism “isn’t a religion” (except when it is). It’s very manipulative – deliberately confusing, deliberately manipulative – rhetoric.

        • Guest

          SPERM. BANK. I guess lesbains are exempt from your rediculous assertion.

          This must only apply to gay men who have never met a single female or heard of orphanages.

          • Peter

            Same-sex couples cannot pro-create… you must have failed biology

          • Sientje Seinen

            two men cannot produce a child between themselves, what biology class did you go to that taught different. we are not talking about in vitro fertilization, which is also a sin and costs a fortune. which they could donate to the poor

          • Griffonn

            See Slate magazine, The Sperm Donor Kids Are Not Really All Right.

            How does deliberately creating a fatherless child “make” a child have two mommies? You can’t build a family out of lies. At the core of such a family, where the strength and the love are supposed to be, there are only dirty secrets and ugly truths – the taboos, the things the child aren’t supposed to notice.

            Committed, loving parents do not behave that way.

      • Nikki

        Look at the title. The story is written as to say Homosexuality destroys marriages. She is trying to use her situation as a valid reason why homosexuality is going to destroy marriage. Sorry but me being able to get married shouldnt have anything to do with this lady and her clearly many issue. She has issues. Her husband has issues. This shouldnt even be something that went viral. But it did because now people against homosexuality are like “look look the gays are destroying everything”. My point was this man destroying his marriage is no different then a straight man destroying theirs so it has nothing to do with other gay people or gay marriage. Her point was not to go after cheaters. Her point was to say Homosexuality destroyed her marriage not the moron she married.

        • jmichael39

          You do read beyond titles, right? Tell me you actually read the article, Nikki. Come on, you can do better than that. She made the point to connect her experience to that of heterosexuals.

          • Nikki

            ” who states that behind many of the happy photographs in reports on same-sex “marriage,” there are untold stories of sorrow and pain. “I represent one of those real life stories that are kept in the shadows. I have personally felt the pain and devastation wrought by the propaganda that destroys natural families.””

            I did read the article. I have heard stories and know people who have had their spouse leave them for someone of the same sex. But they say it the same way a straight person would describe infidelity. They dont use it as a tool against homosexuality in general or same sex marriage. Im sorry I have no sympathy for gay people who enter into a straight marriage. Suck it up and work it out with who you are married to. You cant destroy another person because you made a crappy life choice so I believe even if this man was straight he still would have cheated or left her. Then it wouldnt have even been a story. Again this guy being a dick should not be called gay propaganda.

          • Peter

            There are no such thing as gay people, they are homosexuals. And for the record homosexuals are not born homosexual. It’s a choice, a dang poor one but a choice.

          • BarkingDawg

            Actually , no. Scientific research has determined that it is an innate trait.

          • http://victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/ JBenning

            NO! Science has not determined that it is an innate trait. If i remember right, they used the words “might” or “could be”. Queers always trying to twist it so it suits them. Not this time. Nice failure tho. We thank you for trying. Please try again.

          • BarkingDawg

            Did you know that homosexuality is common among animals as well?

            Why would that be if it was not a biologically normal variation?

          • Sientje Seinen

            So now you are putting yourself on the same level as animals? Animals cannot reason, think, read or write if you wish to join the animals and live among them be my guest. remember you wont have to pay taxes.

          • BarkingDawg

            Humans are animals.

          • http://victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/ JBenning

            What an idiot. I’ll be you eat shit and bark at the moon huh?

          • BarkingDawg

            I generally do not Howl at the moon unless I am consumed too much liquid yeast shit.

          • http://victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/ JBenning

            ROFL!! Ok ok, I give up. *shakes head*

          • Lynda Falls

            Rabbits sometimes eat their babies, and chickens peck at and pick on their sick,wounded or weak. But they are animals. Humans are better than anumals.

          • http://victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/ JBenning

            So, do you hump trees and eat your young? After all, animals do it too. OOPSIE!!! Major screw up on your end. You equated yourself with a dumb animal. No wonder “MOST” animals are smarter that queers. At least they understand it takes a male and female to make a child. Nice try but a major fail on this one as well. That’s an “F” for you.

          • Sientje Seinen

            well since you want to live like an animal why not join them, as animals cannot reason or read the laws given to mankind by the Lord God, Is it not written that God made us a little lower than the angels but above the animals, but it seems that humans can descend even lower than the animals by wanting to imitate them.

          • BarkingDawg

            Animals can not reason ?

            You’ve never owned a dog, I take it?

            Humans are animals as well, BTW.

          • Sientje Seinen

            lol I would like to see a dog reason with you, Can you see your dog telling you why he should not obey the ten commandments, or why you should?

          • ken

            Ok, let’s say this is correct, when did you make the choice to be attracted to the opposite sex? What? There was no conscious decision? You just are?..speaking of a failed statement.

          • http://victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/ JBenning

            I was born male…not homosexual or heterosexual…same as you. You made a choice to follow what you desired the most….someone of the same sex. I have lots of friends but that has nothing to do with homosexuality. You choose your perversion. Admit it. You can prove to anyone you were born an idiot so stop trying already. Man up and let us know when that happens.

          • ken

            There you said it, I chose to follow what I desired (am attracted to) the most, I do not choose my attractions. Believe me I tried to be attracted to women, until I was 30 I ignored the other attractions, praying, studying the bible, and anti – gay publications, believing I was dirty and evil, waiting on god to help me change.going to bed every night for 20 years sick to my heart, that I was not worthy of the favor of the god I was taught to love and honor. But one night after kneeling at the side of my bed begging for forgivness, and help for an hour, looking for an answer, realized that I could not look on as someone went through that kind of mental anguish, and torture, I had my answer, If I was too compassionate to do that to a person, surely, a god of pure love, who is more magnificent than humans could ever hope to match, or even look upon, would be disappointed in me if I thought he was cruel enough to allow me to go through it. So sir, if you have never had those kinds of conversations with your god where you bear your heart and soul, night after night for years on end, do not sit there and judge others who have, for making a different choice than you.

          • http://victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/ JBenning

            Whether you like it or not, you still made a choice. God didn’t make you queer. That was your choice. God may have let you make your choice but that choice just landed you in hot water. We all made choices my friend. So sorry, but truth is the truth…and love isn’t just love. There 5 kinds of love. Queer love is called EROS. You can find out about the other 4 if you will look. That is up to you. I know you won’t cause that would prove the choice you made. Have a great day.

          • ken

            Lol, I forgot to mention, I was a minister during this time, I do know all about the different Greek connotations for the word translated as love, as a mater of fact, I researched the bible for 15 years, so I can talk circles about the bible around you, the fact that you said god let me make the choice, god says he will not abandon you in a time of need, and choices are based on experiences, and God let me suffer in anguish for over 20 years, and then expect me to have faith that he was still there for me? I can’t believe God is not there, and now that I have accepted he loves me for who I am, I see his hand in my life every day, it wasn’t god that didn’t accept me, it was the sham they call religion. If I am wrong, then I will have to suffer the consequence.

          • http://victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/ JBenning

            Well, you did made the decision all by yourself. You didn’t say that in so many words but its there and anyone with a brain and discernment can see it. Your problem is you are blaming God for your failure. God didn’t fail you…..kinda the other way around. Jesus still loves you and can cure you….IF you let him. But then you would have to listen to all the bs from your queer buddies and the belittling they do to those who leave that putrid lifestyle. But hey, its your life. You have to deal with it. No doubt you the person are an awesome individual. The behavior part is the killer. Just a little something to think about. Have a good evening (or day) depending on where you live. God loves you and Jesus forgives!!

          • ken

            True, I made the decision to follow my heart, or desire, but, I did not make the decision to have the desire, and God for whatever lofty reason made the decision not to interfere, leaving a young troubled teenager hanging by himself into his late 20s to consider self mutilation, or suicide as actual options to not giving in to the overwhelming urges, and losing his family and everything else he had worked for all of his life, again unless you have had to be in that impossible decision, you do not get to tell me I made the wrong choice. That is just bigoted and arrogant.

          • http://victimsofgaybullying.wordpress.com/ JBenning

            You still made the wrong choice. NOTHING in this world will change that. Hide it, deny it, whatever, YOU made the choice. God did mention it if you paid attention but like most queers you just cherry picked what you wanted. Bet you even have a “Queen James bible” huh? Jesus IS God so this “Jesus didn’t say mantra is both ignorant and bigoted. Anything else I can help you with? But you keep digging that hole.

          • Nikki

            “The only people that don’t want gay marriage are stupid or secretly worried dicks are delicious” – Joe Rogan

          • Kika

            God is the One who says marriage is between a man and a woman as stated in Genesis. Humans don’t get to define marriage. Homosexuality is sexual sin which God hates along with all other sins such as lying, pride,selfishness, murder, adultery and so on.

          • Sientje Seinen

            that is true they are tempted by satan and become sexual slaves to the lustfull desires of their hearts.

          • ken

            If you want to set the record straight, please provide you source materials, otherwise this statement is made by an uninformed bigot.

          • Peter

            “Dr. Francis S. Collins, head of the Human Genome Project and current director of NIH, along with his team of over 150 of the top geneticists in the world, who sequenced and decoded the human genome, have said, that there is
            NO gay gene.”

          • ken

            That just says it is not genetic, find me a study that proves 100% that homosexuals are not born that way, or better yet a study of a control group of 1000 gay men from diverse areas, and have at least 20 of them tell you they consciously made the choice to be attracted to the same sex. Then you may be taken seriously, until that time, all claims that same sex attraction is a choice are all failures. And anyone making that claim are bigoted idiots.

          • Sientje Seinen

            so you are saying gays do recruit, otherwise he would have stayed with his family, if he had not been enticed by a homosexual?

          • ken

            When were you converted to Heterosexuality? Who recruited you?

          • Sientje Seinen

            because as a child of God we do have reverence for the Word of God, evidently you as spawns of satan dont, read Genesis 3 verses 14-15 and you will see why I call homosexuals spawns of satan, who deceive others, and try to make people believe it is natural, like satan deceived Eve.

          • Ashley

            It sounds like she was upset and speaking out because her ex-husband’s choices were CELEBRATED in national media while she is suffering from those choices, and normally someone choosing to leave their spouse to start a new family (and taking primary custody of their children – regardless of whether or not it is true that he asserted in court that he deserved it because he is gay) isn’t exactly something to congratulate them for, straight, gay or otherwise.

          • Nikki

            “Please, I plead with you: defend marriage as being between one man and one woman. We must stand for marriage—and for the precious lives that marriage creates.”” Defend marriage as between a man and a woman as if it would solve this problem of marriages being destroyed. Straight men destroy more marriages then gays. And yes obviously this is because there are more straight marriages. Infidelity is a human problem and flaw. It is blind when it comes to sexual orientation.

          • jmichael39

            “It is common for spouses to be attracted to other people—usually of the opposite sex, but sometimes of the same sex. Spouses who value their marriage do not act on those impulses,” she said. “A good marriage doesn’t only depend on sexual desire, which can come and go and is often out of our control. It depends on choosing to love, honor, and be faithful to one person, forsaking all others.”

          • vivkingswood

            More like forsaking all happiness and commiting yourself to a loveless life. Not to mention also trapping your partner in a situation where they won’t recive the love and intimacy they want. And kids just LOVE it when their parents are miserable shells of human beings. What a great family environment.

          • jmichael39

            OMG, talk about narcissistic. And I’m sure you have a very sick understanding of love.

          • Peter

            Nothing more narcissistic than male homosexuals

          • Sientje Seinen

            well did he trap her with having children with her, and then all of a sudden falls head over heels in love with another man, who recruited who, and then you lie when you say they dont recruit. Isnt this the reason they have it taught in the schools, so they can recruit the younger generation.? the kids did fine without them knowing about sexual orientation, It is the parents job to educate the children in this matter, not the schools.

          • Nikki

            Yeah thats one paragraph of the article. Did YOU read the article? The rest is blaming everything on homosexuality.

            ““My children and I have suffered great losses because of my former husband’s decision to identify as a gay man and throw away his life with us” How many quotes can i give referencing homosexuality and then how many can you give talking about infidelity in general? This isnt an article on how divorce ruins families. How cheating ruins families. Its an article on how Homosexuality supposedly ruins family and im calling BS. Shes using her situation as a platform to attack gays and its completely without reasoning. But then again if she just wrote and article on her husband leaving her and not railing against homosexuality the whole time she wouldnt have gotten any attention so to her this is all working out the way she wanted.

          • Peter

            Homosexuality is always bad…. it’s an addiction. When someone dislikes the opposite sex so much they choose a same-sex partner, that shows there is a problem between the ears

          • mack jones

            as in they don’t listen in the first place? i’m trying to understand your point here,.. it’s intriguing

          • Angel Jabbins

            The results of a marriage breakup due to homosexuality of one partner IS much more devastating. Why? Because of what happens to the children. Did you not read what those young children are being exposed to on a daily basis in that male only, sexually charged environment? Think that is good for them? Really? This gentleman puts himself, his needs, his desires above those of his children. Pure selfishness. Why not let his wife have custody (or joint custody) of the children and be content with visiting rights. No! He sought primary custody of them….just because the social climate was right and he could do it! Children in heterosexual breakups usually do stay with Mom as the primary caregiver.Young children, especially, need their mom on a daily basis. Everything she said about what her children are experiencing, exposed to… should be of great concern to any feeling, caring person. But, what I find with gays…(and I came from a home traumatized by just this very thing)..they tend to be very selfish people and bent on having their own way no matter who it hurts….even their own children.

            You haven’t live it, so know not what you speak of.

          • mack jones

            The Bible says there are two types of focus: flesh and spirit. It tells us we can fight the desires of the flesh with the spirit, but not flesh. This concept covers EVERY SINGLE type of sin and regular action, but let’s apply it to the story. The man was in a spiritual and fleshly commitment with his wife. He felt his entire essence pulled towards homosexuality. That is a desire of the flesh, most assuredly, as it cannot be of spirit (seeing that spirit is of God, and He calls it an abomination). He chose to break his wedding vows (an agreement, if nothing else), commit adultery, and on top of that it was with another man (deviant behavior; mentally scarring to the kids they created together). The man can claim zero innocence here, as it is obvious he fought himself time and time against this and finally gave in to the flesh. His wife seems like someone that can get a story to the national level, and is most likely very determined, vengeful, angry/wrathful, and a host of other negative emotions. This type of woman is usually coined “cold-as-a-fish.” While the husband is definitely wrong in his actions, the wife had her part is his switch of heart and unfaithfulness. Had she taken charge in the bedroom, he wouldn’t have looked elsewhere. Maybe she turned him? It seems quite unfair to say that he, alone, is the b*tch.

          • Sientje Seinen

            mercy some drama you point out there why should she take charge in the bedroom, love is love and not forcing yourself on another person, how do you know she was cold as a fish, she had children by him, did she not, you are making her out to be the bad one, where it is him who screwed up his vows, and was recruited by his homosexual lover.

          • Sientje Seinen

            What do you have no compassion for the children? homosexuals are the most selfish people that ever walked on earth, it is all about them me, myself and I.

          • ken

            If you are going to make an asinine blanket statement such as this, pleas provide your source material. This guy is not doing something that millions, and millions more straight guys have not done. Nor are homosexuals any more selfish than others. I believe if you want to see selfishness at its most raw look at the Christian religion. How many people have been killed, in the name of standing in the way of what they want.

          • Sientje Seinen

            what c hristians are you talking about Hitler was a roman catholic indoctrinated by the roman catholic church, the seat of satan, as Christians are taught “Thou shalt not kill” the Roman catholic church is just the roman empire now under the guise of Christianity having popes at the head instead of Ceasars. and God wrath rests on those continually who do not revere His Word or commandments.

          • Sientje Seinen

            what are you promoting homosexuality? do you want America to even go furthe than the tubes, It is only a matter of time, as the Lord is long suffering towards for us to repent, but there is a time when the Lord hides His face from us, look at Sandy Hook school where they voted overwhelmingly for homosexuality and same sex marriages, do you blame the Lord God for hiding His face from something He has forbidden? It is only the beginning of sorrows until America remembers where her blessings come from.

          • mack jones

            You’re right, except the Sandy Hook part. That never happened.

          • Sientje Seinen

            you dont believe that the Lord God hid His face from sandy hook school, since the people in Connecticut voted overwhelmingly for same sex marriages?

          • Sientje Seinen

            well he did throw her and her children under the bus for being recruited by a gay lover.

          • Lupe

            “Straight men destroy more marriages…” True, considering that only 2% to 2.5% of the population is homosexual (less than 1% are lesbian). Further, I think, those percentages lend to the thought that preference to have a sexual relationship with one of the same gender is a CHOICE.

          • Nikki

            You know there is a huge argument for saying Homosexuality is wrong because we cant procreate and people saying humans will die out because the gays are going to take over and stop making babies. Actually it makes perfect sense why the percentages are so low. We werent created to take over or to be a majority orientation. The low percentage more lends to the thought that people dont choose it and cant be turned gay. A small amount of us is made and thats the way it was intended

          • Sientje Seinen

            you are lying they do recruit as during the second world war Germany birth rate was so low,the reason Hitler went after homosexuals as out of the 4,000, 000 males, 2,000,000 were homosexuals. this is the reason why it is now promoted in the schools in order to recruit. there is no need for sexual orientation in the schools, children did fine without it, years ago.

          • ken

            OK FREAKING goodness,!!!!!!!! Are you really that ignorant?? Or are you joking?

          • Sientje Seinen

            It never was intended that way, As God would not create someone in the womb gay, and then make a law forbidding same. Are you saying the Lord God is irrational? Do you have no fear of God and His Word? you dont make sense read Genesis 3 verse 14-15 the Lord spoke these Words to satan. “and I will create enmity between thee and the woman, and between her seed and thy seed, It shall bruise thy head and ye shall bruise its heel.” sounds more like you are spawns of satan, doesnt it, repent and seek the Lord while He may yet be found”

          • Peter

            Homosexuality isn’t a sexual orientation, it’s a sickness that screams for mental health help. Homosexuals can’t have true sex, true sex only occurs when there is a potential for pro-creation (male/female), since same-sex couples have NEVER AND WILL NEVER pro-create sexually homosexuality isn’t a sexual orientation

          • elizabeth cohen

            Marriage is between one woman and one man. I don’t much care what you do with your life but to destroy the lives of children and expose them to the environment that this man did is truly a sin. Even a heterosexual man who does it is disgusting. This worlds moral values have sunk to a new low and many who agree with this particular lifestyle has sunk with it. Ever wonder why the world is imploding?

          • Nikki

            Actually the countries that still kill people for Homosexuality are the worst off right now. So technically many who disagree with it are sinking. But thats human rights in general. Feel free to move to any of these places if the way our country treats gay people really makes you that upset. But I would be careful because most places you cant be gay they will kill you for being Christian to. And you wouldnt have many rights as a woman. But the totally agree with you when it comes to the gays

          • Sientje Seinen

            Dont forget the Lord is the final judge and it will come here also, as Obama left the borders wide open for them to take over America. It is what we reap when we forsake the Lord God and do not thank Him for all His blessings.

          • elizabeth cohen

            You are so very silly. Don’t think I can debate silly

          • Paul

            If you go by divorce statistics women destroy more marriages than men.

          • Nikki

            Exactly! And Christians destroy marriages more according to statistics but there are reasons for that. Thats not the point. The point is Men, Women, gay, straight, religious, not religous etc. can all destroy marriages. Its the person. Blaming something else like gender or orientation is irrelevant.

          • bruceapilot

            Aw c’mon. Women destroy marriages too. Sin is the problem. Marriage is actually a covenant between one man, one woman, and God Almighty. Other unions are not marriages whether or not they are formally recognized by the State. Children should be a product of the union of a man and a woman who have joined together as “one flesh.” The children should not be exposed to sin as a normal state of affairs. Homosexual behavior is anomalous to the norms of society and can produce nothing of value to benefit the human race or which is pleasing to God. We are all sinners. But to champion sin is to spit in God’s face. To lead children into a life of sin is worthy of “having a millstone tied about the neck and to be thrown into the Sea.”

          • Sientje Seinen

            Christ tells us that moses for their hardness of heart wrote them a decree of divorce, but in the beginning it was not so, Male and female He made them:” hardly an endorsement for same sex marriages now is it,

        • Peter

          Homosexuality violates the laws of nature and is a sinful, deprave sexual perversion that children should never be around, heterosexuality is normal and natural. Your comparison makes me puke

        • Sientje Seinen

          well you also destroy the happiness of the children involved whethe someone commits adultery or decides he is gay all of sudden, and here the gays were telling us they are born with it, so much for their lies as they do recruit . Homosexuality cannot survive on its own.

        • Dylan Skriloff

          It was worth reading just to hear about the creepy gay condo development the kids are being raised in

        • Sientje Seinen

          so who recruited her husband away from a loving family and children, his lover who was a homosexual?

      • scotty501

        16 people living in one place? come on lol

    • Gemgirl

      I’ll tell you what. I wouldn’t want to be married to a man who I am aware would rather be sleeping with another man. It is very simple to me. But, then….I don’t believe that believing in God and ‘being a good Christian’ can fix the situation, either. Obviously, this woman does. I do feel sorry for her….but in two ways. I can’t imagine my marriage being blown to bits in this way. The destruction of spirit would be horrific. But, I also feel sorry for her that she chooses to feel like ‘he should have stayed and worked on his “problem”.’ I feel sorry for her that she is wasting so much time and effort on that. What is done is done. She needs to heal and move on. Now, about her kid. I don’t know. Go back to court? Surprises me greatly that the mom would not get at least split custody. I think there may be more to the story than we have written here….but if it is as she states…..she absolutely needs a good lawyer. Oh, and he probably doesn’t ‘identify’ as a gay man. Most likely….he is actually gay. Just sayin.

    • Angel Jabbins

      Homosexuality does even more damage to marriage and homes. When a woman finds her husband has left her for another woman (or vice versa), that is bad enough. But to find out your spouse has a same sex attraction is even more devastating because rarely is there any hope of the marriage being saved. The gay partner is often not willing to stay in the marriage for the sake of the children…though it did happen in one occasion I heard of. But, it is rare. Heterosexual couples with troubled marriages often will try to stay in tact at least until the children are older. If not, in probably most heterosexual divorces, efforts are made by both partners to ensure the best possible environment for their children despite the break-up. Divorce is never easy on children. But divorce caused by homosexuality is very hard on kids, and possibly puts them at risk as well.

    • Angel Jabbins

      No, it is not ‘completely irrelevant’. When a homosexual partner leaves his or her spouse to enter a gay relationship, there is very little hope of that marriage being saved. In heterosexual break-ups, there is more chance of being able to reconcile differences. In fact, often a heterosexual couple will decide to stick it out or hold on until their children are older so it will be less destructive to them. I have heard of one gay man who did decide to return to his wife for the sake of his family. He is to be commended for that decision, but I think that is probably pretty rare these days. It is all about ‘rights’…my right to do, be, and be with whomever I want no matter whom I may hurt in the process. Marriage vows are just something to cast aside because of ‘my needs’.
      Going through a divorce from a spouse who comes out as gay is much more traumatic, too, for the one abandoned. They often have a sexual crisis of their own after that, no longer trust their own judgment, and experience social isolation and embarrassment. There is all kinds of support for the gay party…but none for the abandoned spouse who is left to cope alone with the devastation.
      I think you are quick to judge this woman. She has suffered a lot and has even been threatened with harm because she spoke out about her situation. Her pain is real…just as real as any gay person’s… and she has a right to express it.

      • ken

        You are correct, but if they split up, she is devistated, then, she is free to find someone who can fill her needs, but if they stay together, then neither are getting what they need from the relationship, and neither will ever move on.

    • Sientje Seinen

      it isnt heterosexuality that destroys marriages, it is satan who puts wicked desires into your heart for you to obey, the reason man commit adultery and homosexuals follow satan and are ensnared by the evil desires of their heart, One must turn to Christ who suffered for these sins of the flesh and took on the wrath of God for our sakes, to receive forgiveness and to”go and Sin no more”

  • NNNNNNNNNNoooClintonplz

    Yes I had a friend whose husband fathered 5 children with her and then came out as gay and moved in with his male lover. The men bonded over stealing Christmas lights off of other people’s homes (I kid you not). She was hardworking and faithful but none of that mattered much. BUT he is very ill and dying and she is in good health. So I guess it is not only the good who die young. I did ask her why could he not figure out he was gay before he had 5 kids? She could not answer that one either.

    • vivkingswood

      It’s probably becuase of all the kind, caring, loving Christians in the world who would happily see all gay people rounded up and locked away. Definitely creates the kind of environment where someone would feel confortable coming out and being honest about who they are. Reminds me of Ahmadinejad’s statement that there are no gay people in Iran – I guess when you threaten gay people with execution, you’ll see a drastic reduction in the amount of gay people in the world! If you really cared about seeing less gay people in straight relationships, you’d stop making it so damn hard for them to be themselves. That’s not very hard to understand.

      • Sientje Seinen

        no we would like them to repent and come to know the Lord God of Israel and Christ Jesus whom He sent, we are grieved that they mock Christ suffering on Calvary and are disobedient to the Word of the Lord. where will they appear before the throne of God, when they provoke Him to anger?

  • William Mazeo

    This breaks my heart. Wonder if really worth to dream about building a family. Too much things to worry about on this matter, gays are only getting stronger and influencing kids/teenagers even more all the time. And on these moments you wonder where is God to do justice. 🙁

    • Gemgirl

      There are wonderful people with whom to marry and build a family life. Look around. Life is a risk. Jump in. Get wet. Learn to swim. Learn how to save yourself when you are drowning. Don’t expect God or church to save you. This is how “the rest of us” do it. We work hard, make choices, take risks, love because we can’t help it, love the wrong people sometimes, make mistakes, own our mistakes, give when others take. Life is messy. My husband and I dated 8 long years before we married. (Um, yes…we had that evil premarital sex). We really KNEW each other, though. We have a loving, fulfilling marriage and a wonderful 11 year old daughter. We are married 13 years now. We have been together 21 years. It is absolutely possible to have a great marriage. Of course it is.

      • William Mazeo

        Would be impossible to discuss the matter with you if you don’t have God in your life. There are things I don’t understand but I sure wouldn’t want to live a life without Him. I take marriage serious and right, not something that you can go for “wrong choices”, live 8 years with someone just because you are unsure and “evil premarital sex”. I thank God for keeping me pure all these years. Maybe there is a woman around there with the same fears as me that would have a notion of what a marriage really means, because unfortunately even inside churches it looks like people forgot what this is aobut.

  • Michelle Bowen

    The part that pisses me off is that he states that because he’s gay he should get the children and he got them? WOW! If this is real its wrong. Now sadly we don’t know the WHOLE story of the situation we have her side of it. The point however is that if he said that and won, that is where the most wrong was done! That JUDGE should be slapped upside the head. Geesh who does this?! THe mother and father should have equal rights to their kids in the case where neither of them is abusive or bad parents. As for the father leaving the mother, it is true, no one gay or straight should break their wedding vows. Dont’ care what kind of ‘mood’ your in that month. Think and pray before you chose such a thing adn then if you do it don’t take the children from their mother or father. Share custody!

  • http://makingsense.proboards.com/ Rob W. Case

    Isn’t it interesting in how THE AGENDA seems to matter so much more in this culture above everything else, regardless of whether or not a person has been emotionally and psychologically devastated? Leaving someone you love and are committed to is not heroic, it’s cold, distasteful, and shallow. And while our culture largely celebrates the “if it feels good, do it” philosophy, it in turn upholds the background devices of cold heartedness, distaste, and shallowness. And even though this experience has caused the writer of this article much pain and anguish, this experience has in turn freed her from being consumed even more so than it has from the increasing influence of his cold-heartedness, disregard, and loveless nature towards her. And while all of the praise may feed his ego, his vices will only strengthen in time until it leads him to a dangerous place that he may not easily get out of.

    • Billygoat72

      But for the 50% of straight people who get divorced, with that number on the rise annually, that is okay. It is only bad if they divorce for being gay. Bad argument.

      • http://makingsense.proboards.com/ Rob W. Case

        Who said that is okay? Your side point opens up an entirely separate argument that is irrelevant to this one. That said, the point stands whether it involves heterosexuals or homosexuals. The dynamics of cold heartedness, disregard, and lifelessness, still remain and deeply affects the other person in a negative way.

        • Jimmie1151

          Actually 2 out of three divorce. News Flash!!! They don’t leave someone they love, they leave someone they don’t love anymore.
          Forcing people to live in a loveless marriage is cold………..

          • MichaelGC

            Forget the kids, right? Just as long as you go get your jollies, that’s all that matters.

          • Jimmie1151

            So, leaving kids in a loveless toxic marriage example is the best option? Guess kids aren’t important to you.

          • Sientje Seinen

            leaving kids with two men who are depraved and setting a bad example for the children, how do you know they dont hunger for their mother, as children do care a great deal about the mother who nurtured them and carried them for nine months. you are sick

          • Jimmie1151

            I’m sorry, but that is only your ignorant opinion, there is no legitimate professional organization that agrees with your bigoted statement.

          • http://makingsense.proboards.com/ Rob W. Case

            I certainly wouldn’t get the impression that Jana Darnelle tried to force anybody to do anything. The injustice was done to her, not by her. That was cold. In that sense, I don’t understand your point about someone (Darnelle in this case) trying to FORCE her husband into remaining in a loveless marriage when they’ve gotten as far as they did with so much invested, and be hit with such a “surprise.” And in her experience through that surprise, I’m sure that she was surprised to learn that she was in a “loveless marriage.”

          • Jimmie1151

            Her husband was no longer in love with her, her attitude is all blame, no acceptance no perspective or contrast. She uses savage character assassination against her ex husband. Homosexuality did not wreck her marriage, social repression and bigotry did. She should be blaming the oppression of homosexuals to help others, not viciously attack her ex.

          • Rose

            The marriage was ruined by sin. The father in this story did stop loving her, and turned to sin instead of God. She’s not attacking her ex, she put this message out to the world to give a new perspective. She loves her children, but her father gained custody. I wouldn’t feel great at all knowing that my children were living with a sinful father who can easily influence them. When my parents divorced, I was lucky enough to stay with my mother who was the victim in this marriage. For this mother’s children, that wasn’t the case. But I am glad that they did divorce. No marriage should stay together if one of the partners is selfish and unwilling to help fix it.

          • Jimmie1151

            Two out of three marriages are ruined by “sin” as you want to call it. That still has nothing to do with homosexuality. Her broadcasting explicit acts and character assenting her ex that way, without his side of the story is disgusting.

          • Sientje Seinen

            it is disgusting what he the husband did, doyou have no values at all, and only think about sex and more sex with your own gender, there is the children involved, who are now deprived of a mother loving kindness, which a selfish father can never replace.

          • Jimmie1151

            Bigotry and prejudice is disgusting. The mother is not dead, she will have contact with the children, but her attitude is probably why the children were given custody to the father. You don’t know both sides and by taking sides only further exposes your bigotry.

          • Rose

            Homosexuality is sin, and his side of the story is online.

          • Sientje Seinen

            he cant be in love with another man either it is just lusts of the flesh, nothing loving about this except his own selfish desires.satan took over the man’s soul and made him a slave to sex of the wrong gender.

          • Jimmie1151

            Just because you lack god’s gift of empathy does not make what you say is the truth.

          • Sientje Seinen

            And you lack reverence and fear of God for his laws, and mock Christ’s suffering who suffered for your sake to return to the Lord God of Israel and forsake your sinfull ways. As God chastises everyone whom He receives to show us what is not good within us. Therefore repent of your wicked ways and give thanks and praise to the Lord God for the redemptive work of Christ whom now sits at the right hand of the Father. from whence He will come to judge the living and the dead. Repent.

          • Jimmie1151

            I’m reading God’s original words in Bible written 500 years before the one’s you are quoting. It is YOU who show a lack of reverence by using mistranslations. Jesus never said anything against homosexuality, so assuming he has, shows you have no respect for his love and acceptance. You are using false testimony, exploiting the bible to push your bigoted agenda which can be no more an example of wickedness. Take your own medicine hypocrite and go humbly to your closet and beg forgiveness:

            Matthew 6:6

            “When you pray, you are not to be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on the street corners so that they may be seen by men. Truly I say to you, they have their reward in full.” “But you, when you pray, go into your inner room, close your door and pray to your Father who is in secret, and your Father who sees what is done in secret will reward you. “And when you are praying, do not use meaningless repetition as the Gentiles do, for they suppose that they will be heard for their many words.…”

          • Sientje Seinen

            what has this passage to do with homosexuality and the commandment in Leviticus 18 verse 22 “Man shall not lie with mankind as with womankind, It is an abomination? Do you know where I pray, Have you seen me stand on the street praying. Isnt that what you people do by flaunting your sins down our streets with your gay parades and mocking Christ suffering on Calvary.? “take the beam out of your own eye then you will see clearly to take the sliver out of my eye.”

          • Jimmie1151

            Old-Testament Literal Translation – . The infamous verse Leviticus 20:13, often used to condemn homosexuality, is about a married-man with another male, in the “marriage-bed” as with his wife. See the Latinized Greek for Leviticus 20:13 below:

            “Kai hos an koimEthE meta arsenos koitEn
            gunaikos, bdelugma epoiEsan amphoteroi;
            thanatousthwsan, enoichoi eisin.” [Lev 20:13 in Greek Septuagint LXX]. The translation of the Greek term ‘gunaikos’ is interpreted to mean: wife. Hence, the verse actually forbids male-male adultery, pertaining only to a married man.

            Similarly, for Leviticus 18:22, the wording of the original Hebrew is very different from the KJV form:

            “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind:
            it is abomination.” [Leviticus 18:22, King James Version]
            However, the original Hebrew for Leviticus 18:22 reveals a different 3rd meaning:

            “We-et-zakar lo’ tishkav mishkevey ‘ishshah” [Lev 18:22 Hebrew, Latinized] (“And-with a-male NOT lie-down in beds-of a-woman”) [Lev 18:22 literal translation]

            So, the Hebrew Leviticus 18:22 mentions: someone + a male + a woman; hence, a forbidden 3-way.

            Those 2 infamous Leviticus verses actually mention other women or wives, rather than male-male relationships, as is often the misinterpretation & mistranslation.

            When many aspects of Biblical issues are considered, there is no textual basis for misinterpreting & mistranslating Bible verses to condemn homosexuality: the original Hebrew & Greek texts of the Bible do not condemn homosexuality at all, and so, homosexuality should not be considered a sin by today’s society.

            The internet is the modern street corner.

          • Sientje Seinen

            I am not talking about adultery, I am talking about Leviticus 18 verse 22. “Man shall not lie with another man as with a woman, It is an abomination, they shall be put to death and it will be upon their own head.” pretty clear isnt it, why are you referring to other passages instead of this One, You know the Lord God has forbidden the practice of homosexuality. dont try to cover or weasel out of it. there is not ands buts or ifs. you would like to say something different, but God/s Word does not change it abides forever, It is one of the graver sins, as you mock Christ suffering on Calvary who took on God’s wrath for your perverted sins. Christ is not an agent of sin, and do like He told the adulteress Go and sin no more!!!:” Christ did not come to condemn but to save, and if you do not give you life over to Christ, then you despise His Word and you condemn yourself.

          • Jimmie1151

            I just gave you the more original text, it was warning married meant not to play around on their wives. You are holding on to a hideous mistranslation like a pit bull that will not let go……

          • Sientje Seinen

            well I listen to what Jesus our Lord tells us. and when certain pharasees questioned Jesus about adultery, Jesus replied. “Moses wrote a decree of divorce, because of your hardness of heart, but in the beginning it was no so. Male and female He created them, and therefore “A man shall leave his father and mother and cleave unto his wife” see it takes two to tango and if neither party wants to forgive then the divorce happens, and notice Christ said”In the beginning it was not so.:” When Adam disobeyed, sin and death came into the world, therefore shun sin which God also tells Cain, whom murdered his brother, so therefore homosexual should shun the sin of sexual relations with someone of the same gender, it is a sin. so then this man should have listened to Christ and not be so weak as to fall for a homosexuals lies.

          • Jimmie1151

            Great, Jesus said be faithful to wives, but that has nothing to do with homosexuality. And don’t forget, Eve was Adams second wife, his first wife, Lilith, was incompatible so GOD granted Adam a divorce. How you twist the bible and get homosexuality out of Cain and Able’s jealousy defies all logic and says more about inserting your negative emotional obsession with homosexuality. Again, you bare false witness which is a sin.

          • Sientje Seinen

            No Jesus said that in the beginning God created them male and female, nothing about two males having perverted sex, and nothing about Adam being married before either, as now you are descending into fables, God created mankind after His own image, but Adam fell from grace when He disobeyed the Lord not to eat from the tree of good and evil, and so the evil traits are now also manifested in mankind as sin and death entered the world. God tells you to harken unto His word, and if you cant do that then you are a son of disobedience always having the wrath of God upon you continually. as it is by faith we are saved, not on good works but only because of Christ suffering and redemptive work at Calvary where He defeated your master satan, repent and return onto the Lord and He will abundantly pardon.never mentioned that cain was a homosexual, I mentioned that sin which mankind inherited after the fall of Adam was also in Cain who murdered his brother, so your homosexual lusts are sinfull in that the Lord made a commandment against same. you are the one that is the accuser, accusing me of something I never said and isnt that what satan does,using you to accuse others of lies which you invent yourself?

          • Jimmie1151

            Sorry, your ignorance is pooping up again. The biblical book of Genesis contains two contradictory accounts of humanity’s creation. The first account is known as the Priestly version and appears in Genesis 1:26-27. Here God fashions man and woman simultaneously when the text reads: “So God created mankind in the divine image, male and female God created them.” Lilith was rejected by Adam because she was too equal. Her rejection and subsequent revenge against Adam’s children is why, today, we sing “lullabies” ( to ward off Lillith). For someone who speaks with such religious certainty, you really are abysmally ignorant of religious history…..
            http://judaism.about.com/od/jewishculture/a/Where-Does-The-Legend-Of-Lilith-Come-From.htm

          • Sientje Seinen

            There is nothing about lilth in the christian bible, you are descending into fables again, this must be your own bible where you dont strike out something you dont like, those are fables dont you know the difference, I guess not, if you do not know the Lord our God who send Christ to call Israel to repentance and why are you so concerned with poop is that what you indulge in, you are gross.

          • Jimmie1151

            Jewish old testament. I’ve attempted to direct you to a more objective direction. Actual religious history is very complex and fascinating, crawl out from the ignorant rock you insist on burying your head and learn something:

            http://witcombe.sbc.edu/eve-women/7evelilith.html

          • Sientje Seinen

            you better take your head out of the sand box as the God of the Old testament is the same as the Lord God of the new testament who send christ since God loved His creation, to call the people to repentance of their sinfull ways, like lusting after strange flesh, covetousness ,etc. but since you dont heed the call to repent of your sinful ways the wrath of God will rest upon you continually as you do not acknowledge that Christ suffered for your sinfull ways and keep on sinning and therefore mock His sacrifice, you will have to stand before His throne and give account and you cant say you have not been warned. so repent before it is too late.

          • Jimmie1151

            It is pretty obvious you are just *proselytizing over and not listening to or responding, in any substantial way, to anything I have stated. Throwing misinterpreted texts to assassinate my character with no credible or substantive evidence, is basically just using biblical text erroneously as a simple minded curse. *

            *Save your preaching for more simple minded souls, like yourself. *

          • Sientje Seinen

            you cant now stand before the Creator of heaven and earth and say you were not informed of the consequences of following your own desires of the flesh instead of asking for guidance and wisdom from above, so it is upon your own head. May the Lord have mercy upon you, when you appear before His throne

          • Jimmie1151

            You are talking to yourself.

          • Sientje Seinen

            not all the time I have known people who felt they made a big mistake but they were infatuated with someone younger and being enchanted by them, usually it happens during middle age when the man is going through his change of life.

          • Jimmie1151

            Your anecdotal story is not exclusive to any orientation.

      • Sientje Seinen

        Man can fall into temptations if there is problems in the marriage the reason they have counsellors, but to abandon your wife and children for a gay relationship which the Lord God already has condemned is resorting to becoming like an animal.

    • MichaelGC

      There is a dark underbelly to the LGBT movement that most people are not clued in on yet. This article describes how they tried to destroy Janna Darnelle’s life after she dared to speak up, her ex-husband himself publicizing her personal information, along with her name.

      “Ruthless Misogyny: Janna Darnelle’s Story and Extreme LGBT Activism”

      http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2014/10/13867/

      • ken

        I find this statement hilarious, DARK UNDERBELLY!! Oooooooo. This woman did not just attack her Ex. She attacked a whole culture, of people, what did she think would happen? They would roll over and be silent? Maybe 20 years ago, but not now we are no longer afraid to stand up and fight. The very term “Dark underbelly” indicates a small hidden portion of the society in question, the story in this link, is the culture in question defending themselves against the slanderous attack from her, and her supporters, who by the way, started the fight by doing the very thing the article you posted is condemning, read your comments above along with all of her supporters on this site, and realize, what you posted here makes you a hypocrite, and the fact that this kind of crap has been going on for centuries in the name of religion, indicates that it is not just the “Dark Underbelly” of your part of the culture that carries out these attacks, but the everyday run of, the mill person.

        • MichaelGC

          “She attacked a whole culture, of people, what did she think would happen?”

          What you mean is Jenna shed light on some very ugly truths and realities about the gay rights movement. When they responded like fascist brutes, they reinforced everything she said and then some. If you brook absolutely no opposition in any form, but respond to every valid criticism as an attack that must be ruthlessly suppressed, then you show your true colors.

          Like its predecessor in Germany, this movement has a grudge against the world and thinks it is entitled to revenge.

  • Starfire

    Most are given over to a reprobate mind to believe a lie. They are told they were born that way and believe it.

  • Jason Martin

    How pathetic, her marriage falls apart so she blames gays being able to get married. News flash: he divorced you because he doesnt love you anymore.

    • vivkingswood

      Exactly. If he had left her for another woman, or even just left her to be on his own there would be no story. But because he finally admitted to himself he was gay IT’S THE BIGGEST, MOST EVIL, MALICIOUS DRAMA OF ALL TIME.

      • Rose

        Quite a rude assumption on your part. It’s a story on here because she needs prayer. The one thing that ruins relationships is not having God in them. The husband turned away from God and turned to sin. This woman, her children, and her ex-husband all need prayer. Her life was completely turned upside down, and nobody considered how she felt. I give total props to the writer of this article for sending this message out. My prayers are with her and her family.

        • Sientje Seinen

          I am with you Rose God bless .

      • Sientje Seinen

        It is evil as gays do have no values or no love of God or country, goes to show when they donated tainted blood, to bring death to their fellow men, No homosexuals no longer can donate blood, as their blood is tainted to get the disease of Aids. they only live not much longer than 40 years. I gues the commandment “honour thy father and mother so that thy days may be long in the land the Lord God giveth you, the homosexual dont regard?

    • Sientje Seinen

      well there is nothing noble about forsaking a woman who bears your children lusting after another man, Society is losing the values which are so necessary to have well adjusted children and a stable home.

  • Meggan King

    The only thing I have a problem with is, why did he get the kids because he’s gay? That makes no sense what-so-ever.Straight, gay, purple….it should have been joint custody unless there is something wrong with her. However I would have to believe that something was very wrong with her for a court to not have a problem with his current living conditions. Hey, as adults…do you boo, but when kids are involved it’s time to keep the hookers away and not take them to all adult parties.

  • Ronald Freitas

    homosexuality is a sick disgusting sin homosexuals are pedophiles homosexuality is against God and nature

    • vivkingswood

      Do you find yourself lying in bed at night thinking about how disgusting homosexuality is often?

    • Daniel Curtsinger

      I thought half of preists and that dude from 7th Heaven were pedophiles… Does god forgive you for touching kids as long as you dont identify as homosexual?

      • Rose

        As long as you ask for forgiveness and try to be better, God will forgive anything.

        • SashaC

          So why not embrace being gay and then ask for forgiveness on your deathbed? Live the life you want and still get into heaven! Win-win!

          • Sientje Seinen

            That isnt true as the Lord God knows your heart and know whether you are truly repentant, there is no such thing as suddenly becoming repentant, what if you are in a car accident, or the Lord decides enough is enough as it is He who rules the nations?

          • Rose

            Because that’s planned. Planning such things goes bad. That’s saying “Oh I’ll go and sin but God will forgive me if I just ask him” He’ll forgive anything but you have to mean it when you say you’re sorry. You can’t just ask for forgiveness and not mean it. You have to actually mean it.

          • SashaC

            Ah, of course! Makes perfect sense! Thanks for explaining how that works.

          • Rose

            Not quite sure whether this is sarcasm or not, so I’ll just reply with a you’re welcome and a deeper explanation. God has a plan for us all, a better calling than anyone can imagine. We can’t take his plan and mix it up so that we can have our own fun and still go to heaven.

        • Sientje Seinen

          That is not true, as Christ tells us that
          :All sin will be forgiven, but he who blasphemes against the Holy spirit will not be forgiven, not in this age or the age to come”

          • Rose

            Citation?

    • Jimmie1151

      Only repressed gay people talk like that.

    • ken

      LOL, that is one of the most ridiculous statements on here. Are you from the 19th century?
      Statistics show that 70% of male child molesters, Identify themselves as hetrosexual.

  • MickeyC

    She married a gay man. Whining about it now doesn’t make much sense. At least now gay men can marry each other instead of being forced by society to marry someone they really aren’t attracted to.

    • Kyzaaron

      No, she married a hetero man who later decided to spice things up and then identify as gay. If you’re going to apply a label, “bi” would be it.

      It’s a complete myth that everyone who identifies as gay was born gay or always had those tendencies, and didn’t enjoy their hetero relationships before.

      If we limited who identifies as gay to just those who had strictly gay tendencies all their lives, they’d be far, far fewer in number.

      Something the agenda seems incapable of even admitting.

      • Gemgirl

        The agenda?

    • Gary

      Homosexual men are not forced to marry women by society.

    • Gary

      Homosexual men are not forced to marry women by society.

    • Sientje Seinen

      since when was a man ever forced into a marriage unless you are talking about shotgun weddings, and then even then he should have kept it covered. if he was a man with some decent values.

  • Billygoat72

    If the wife lost custody, she is just nuts and trying to bring the hate on anyone who will lend an ear or give fuel to those who hate. None of this sounds real and a little ashamed this article was printed. Did you guys check on the actual living conditions, the truth to the divorce proceedings, I mean all the stuff that is public record that most journalist would do before printing this made-up hate diatribe? No, I will wait.

    • MichaelGC

      The wife did not lose custody, in fact, she has 60% custody, so she is not nuts.

      Here:
      http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2014/10/13867/

      • Bolvon72

        So he didn’t get primary custody, so is she just lying about that, or is there more that she is lying about as well?

  • Benita Kimberly Bylicki-Marzio

    My fiancé had his life turned over 10 years ago, by his ex-wife meeting some lesbian dyke on the internet and walked out of 25 years of marriage, she caused their handicap daughter to be taken into custody because she was to lazy to clean the house or care for the girl or take her to dr. appts or give her one lousy pill for her thyroid. My fiancé came over after driving truck, for the government, retired, took a job at wally world only to find out that she took the money for bills to go out with her lesbian lover and friends, and a brand new house not even six month old went into foreclosure. Their daughter was in custody of cyfd for 8 years while he fought legal appeal and won to get her back, he won the appeal, by state supreme court, but then they also reinstated the mothers rights also. He won custody, but the ex wife and her partner went behind his back and filed custody using the gay trump card and won custody away from my fiancé, he has not seen her now in 4 years… yeah, gays think they have all the rights, but someday, there will be a change that stops these liberal judges from pulling their tricks, and justice might get served for everyone, not just those who use their sexual desires as a means to gain political favor.

    • vivkingswood

      Do you remember that show Jerry Springer? Do you remember how many storylines echoed yours with one key difference – no-one was gay? In fact, the majority of cases like the one above would involve straight people. But it’s only if the people happen to be gay that there’s all of a sudden some political agenda… FFS.

  • vivkingswood

    He didn’t love you anymore, that’s a sad fact and I know you are feeling lonely and abandoned and probably a little humiliated but that’s the reality. Case closed. What your ex husband does or who he chooses to spend the rest of his life with doesn’t change the fact that your realotionisip ended BECUASE HE DIDN’Y WANT TO BE WITH YOU ANYMORE. I don’t understand what you expected to achive by trying to make him stay, holding him hostage like that? Get your shit together, move on, meet someone new and maybe you’ll get custody of your kids back.

    • Gemgirl

      Sadly, he probably never loved her…in that way….the way you would when have found the love of your life. He is gay for goodness sake. He was living a lie because for decades it was easier than trying to be truthful. Now, ‘The times, they are a changing.’ This is going to happen. Marriages are going to be destroyed in the process. Lives will be rocked to the core. That is the price we are paying for eons of intolerance. But, you know what? MARRIAGE is stronger than that. Let’s give the institution a bit more credit, shall we? There will be marriage after the gays all come out of the closet. There will be heterosexual marriages and homosexual ones. No more lying and hiding. A brighter, braver world. If this generation of Christians can not come to terms with it….well…..none of us live forever, do we? Maybe the next generations will be more inclusive and tolerant of differences. I can only hope.

      • vivkingswood

        Hear, hear.

      • Sientje Seinen

        just like the Lord was tolerant of sodom and Gomorroh right? and what about values what are you teaching the next generation,and maybe our Lord will be returning soon as He equated this generation as an adulterous generation, whom do not hold anything dear or revere the Lord in their hearts. woe unto the world for His judgment day is coming.

  • Cutenu2

    In the end, the husband lied and deceived this woman and because he chose his fleshly lusts over the well-being of his family. That’s the long and short of it. Now he has his children living in a household full of depraved individuals just like himself.

  • Natasha Haworth

    What a load of bullshit. Is anyone actually buying this. There must have been something seriously wrong with the mother to not get custody. Also god loves the gay because they were created in his image. They deserve the right to marry and be miserable just like everyone else.

    • Gary

      Homosexuals are reprobates and are damned by God.

    • Gary

      Homosexuals are reprobates and are damned by God.

      • Natasha Haworth

        No way. God loves the gays havent you seen the billboards.

        • Sientje Seinen

          Repent, as Christ will be returning soon, and where will you appear, when God did not spare His own Son?

    • Sientje Seinen

      Dear Lord you dont know our Lord and saviour Christ Jesus, may He have mercy on your lying soul. When adam sinned, and fell from grace He no longer was in the image of God, as now he also inherited the sins of hatred, strife, covetousness and greed, selfishness, murder, etc. so homosexuals, who are deliberately disobeying the Lord God are an abomination to Him. repent and pray that He will have mercy on you and your homosexual friends.

  • Gary

    It is very likely that the children mentioned are being abused by some of the homosexuals who have access to them. If their father cared anything about them, he would have left them with the mother to start with. Since he cares nothing for them, it is very likely that he is allowing them to be sexually abused, or he may be abusing them himself. He is obviously extremely wicked and self-centered, and is unconcerned about the environment his children are exposed to.

  • Gary

    It is very likely that the children mentioned are being abused by some of the homosexuals who have access to them. If their father cared anything about them, he would have left them with the mother to start with. Since he cares nothing for them, it is very likely that he is allowing them to be sexually abused, or he may be abusing them himself. He is obviously extremely wicked and self-centered, and is unconcerned about the environment his children are exposed to.

  • MEP1101

    All sexual immorality is avaricious HEDONISM, the worship of pleasure rather than the worship of GOD, whether it be ADULTERY, HOMOSEXUALITY. BISEXUALITY, SADOMASOCHISM, BESTIALITY, PEDOPHILIA, OR NECROPHILIA. It is very similar to DRUG ADDICTION in that sexual pleasure takes first place in a persons life and other personal treasures such as GOD, Family, Friends, Reputation, Self Respect and in some cases, Profession, are sacrificed on its altar. And this is what our “Secular”, Federal and many State and Local governments are promoting. Hedonism is a pernicious parasite which eventual will destroy its host if it is not gotten rid of through humility and help from JESUS CHRIST.

  • Duffy Ooten

    god did not make man to put his dick in a man ass

    • Bolvon72

      He didn’t make him to put his head up there either, but here you are.

  • Monica Friedman

    Homosexuality didn’t shatter her marriage. The horrible societal dynamic that forced her ex into the closet for the first 30 years of his life is to blame. Furthermore, there is zero chance that this woman would have lost all custody of her children unless she was a wholly unfit mother; I get the sense that she was horrible to live with, judgmental and unpleasant, if not outright mentally ill. If she doesn’t think sex is important in a marriage, then she should go find a new husband who likes crazy uptight Christian women and hates pleasure. It’s cruel to the kids to stay in a relationship where you’re miserable. The best thing a parent can do is be honest (about sexuality and everything else). p.s. Girls don’t need their fathers’ help to embrace their femininity and beauty, but if they want help, nobody does it better than drag queens. Mom sounds jealous. She probably doesn’t look as good in makeup and “bondage straps” as dad does.

    • Gary

      This guy was not forced to marry because of “the horrible societal dynamic”. There are lots of people who don’t marry. He didn’t have to.

    • Sientje Seinen

      Who said he was forced into the closet, Since he had children with her seems to me he enjoyed his married life, or otherwise he would not have stayed that long, he was recruited by some homo, who had no thought for anything but his own perverted sexual desires.

      • Monica Friedman

        Yeah, gay people don’t recruit. You must be thinking of the US military. Or perhaps there is some other group or organization where the members believe they are in sole possession of the truth and their worldview is the only worldview, and they go around explaining that everyone should think their way or they will be punished for all eternity. Ringing any bells there? People are forced into the closet when they fear being rejected by everyone they know, and plenty of people stay there their entire lives and die there because of the precise sort of vitriol being spewed on this page.

  • mdottwo

    Any woman who wants to stay with a man who has sex in human defecation is suffering from rejection and shock rather than serious analytical thought. If her first thought is not for her own safety, then she is not functioning as a rational person.

    97% of us are repulsed by our own poop. We can’t stand the smell of it; we can’t stand to get it on our hands. Yet homosexuals like the feel and smell of other men’s poop on their private parts. They have orgasms in poop.They have oral sex on penises that have been in poop! This is a health risk to any woman who is intimate with one of these sexual deviants – thus the HIV/AIDS epidemic among women.

    It is unfathomable that a woman could make herself be intimate with a man after he has confessed to such a filthy act that would endanger her own health. What so-called gays are trying to do is to normalize perverted behavior by using their minions in our court systems to override the will of “we the people” and put the weight of law behind the practice of their perversion. The center of a pervert’s life is his/her perversion and that overrides every other aspect of his/her life. That is why this man could walk away from his wife. That is why he would sacrifice his children at the alter of his sex God, and immerse them in an absolutely vile obscene lifestyle with no compunctions.

    Women, run from men such as these. You don’t have a marriage to save!

  • Amanda L Spraggs

    I am seeing the same as some. A decision to be gay destroyed her marriage, not “homosexuals” destroyed her marriage. Gay guys didn’t come and kidnap her husband, subject him to torture, and orientation training and turn him gay.

    • Sientje Seinen

      we can easily see we are in the last days, where lawlesness increases and as the Lord said “that this would be an adulterous generation and also know that the time is near, when you see the Fig tree put forth its leaves.” and we know that Israel is the Fig tree which became a nation in 1948. so yes the time of our Lord is drawing near, I hope people are prepared to meet Him.

  • Benita Kimberly Bylicki-Marzio

    18For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;

    19Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.

    20For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

    21Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

    22Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

    23And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

    24Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

    25Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    26For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

    27And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

    28And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

    29Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

    30Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

    31Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

    32Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

    I think this about says it all,,,, these are the days that we are living in Today. Evil has become good, Good has become Evil. Of course all of us Christians are crazy, and we are now the Evil ones because we don’t follow the political correct liberal thoughts of the new modernist way of thinking.. We lost respect for life, we kill millions of children by abortion, 2 men and 2 women cannot conceive a child by natural means, but that’s ok, We have science to create that! Christians are being slaughtered by the thousands in the Middle East, tortured, crucified on crosses, and beheaded, We are facing one of the worst plaques in history next to the black death of the middle ages and the Entovirus64, is wreaking havoc on our children., Our government is so corrupt and evil and the economy is on the verge of collapse, we have idiot media people telling us that our children do not belong to us but to the community, and freedom of speech and liberty is slowly eroding, Need I go on? What is that one quote I recently heard, Mad Men will walk around and call those not mad, mad, because you are not like us…Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God , Have Mercy On Us Sinners. I wish all of you a peaceful night and pray that some of you find the truth before it is to late..

  • Jud Bennett

    This is nothing more than a disgruntled ex wife blaming all homosexuals for her ex husbands decision then talking crap about him and them.

  • Jim Granberry

    My problem is that this man was given custody of the children because he is gay. I agree with Nikki in that we do not need to just focus on homosexuality as the reason marriages break up. However the immoral lifestyles exposed to these children is devastating. The problem of sexual perversion whether it be homosexual perversion or heterosexual perversion comes from a worship of sex. We have placed sex above love, above honor, above commitment, and worse of all above God. Pornography is a growing addiction in our society and it is tearing up more marriages than other type of infidelity. Sex is on billboards, prime time TV, movies that are rated PG, why it is everywhere. What is meant for the bedroom of one man and one woman is celebrated all over for all to see. Society would be a lot healthier if we celebrated the marriage between one man and one woman and we celebrated the husband and the wife raising their children together, and we exposed the truth about perversions of sex for what they are as dangerous sins against God and against society and against ones own self.

  • Peter

    What kind of pervert judge gave him custody of the kids…. unbelievable. I’ll bet the young boy has already attracted the attention of a predatory homosexual at the homosexual condo.

    • Gary

      The same kind of judge who is legalizing ssm now.

  • Jody Stafford

    I am so sick and tired of all of this. I am no stranger to this situation. My sister is gay. Before it became the cool thing, we got along fine. I love her and want her to be happy. But now that it is Cool to be Gay, she has turned into a whole different person. She acts like she is superior to everyone in our family because she is gay and acts like we should bow down before her and worship her gayness. I’m sorry sis, but I don’t like who you are any more. It wasn’t enough that I did not judge you but even supported you. I will never bow down to you or change my opinions just because of your sexual preference. And the sad part is that the whole country has taken on this mentality. Because you are gay, everyone owes you and should bow down and thank you for being who or what you are. Get over yourselves. The Bible says that same sex love is an abomination. I agree, and it is ruining this country.

    • Gary

      The homosexuals will never stop at just same-sex marriage. They will demand full endorsement from everyone. And if they don’t get it, they will try to use the government, the economy, and whatever they can use to punish those who won’t go along with them.

      • Opus35

        Oh Gary, you are so brave to speak out. What if one of those bad gay people hears you. Aren’t you afraid, they will come after you. I think you should go to a friends home for a little while, and keep a low profile.

      • Eponymous1

        There’s no conjecture about this at all. It is underway now.

    • Frank Cartwright

      so let me get this right,you originally loved her,though gay,which is good.when she became proud it is now a sin from god you do not agree? sounds more like you hate the tude than the gay thing.

      • rsdfwd

        That’s what she said – read Proverbs about pride.

  • Chris Frederickson

    Tragic enough that the poor man suffered the congenital birth defect that gives him a defective CNS sex system. (It is well established that failure to develop a normal sex system within the nervous system is caused by intrauterine disturbances of hormonal signals.) But sadder still are the facts that (i) he was led to pretend his defective nervous system is “normal,” then (ii) he the children were taken from their mother and forced to be around the brain-injured father and his deviant lifestyle. What idiot judge imposed that abuse on the children ?

  • Mel

    Gender differences aside, this man had an affair and is being commended for it by the media

    • Eponymous1

      That’s because being “gay” makes all things sweetness and light. Even adultery, divorce, and having your kids living in a house with 16 other hard partying, but loving and committed single homosexual men.

  • Paul

    The part that stood out for me was:
    “She said that when the matter went to court, her husband sought primary custody of the couple’s children, and asserted that he deserved everything that he wanted in the divorce because he was a homosexual. He was granted his request, and later went on to “marry” his male partner with the children present”

    I think it unlikely but not impossible and the judgement would probably be a little more nuanced than that. If it did happen, then it’s disgusting, he shouldn’t have the children because he’s homosexual, being homosexual doesn’t make him the best parent, doesn’t make him the worst either. They should start with 50/50 custody as that is usually in the children’s best interest and then adjust for family circumstances.

    If this did happen exactly like she said then it’s great news for dads as they can just claim they are gay, and then they’ll get the children. 🙂

  • Eggshan

    Lady, go get your kids NOW, these perverts shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near children!! go ask Frank Lombard of Duke University or go ask George Harasz and Doug Wirth- (one of the first “married” gay couples). They adopted 9 boys and were arrested last year for raping them all.

    “A disproportionate percentage — 29 percent — of the adult children of homosexual parents had been specifically subjected to sexual molestation by that homosexual parent, compared to only 0.6 percent of adult children of heterosexual parents having reported sexual relations with their parent, Having a homosexual parent(s) appears to increase the risk of incest with a parent by a factor of about 50.” (P. Cameron and K. Cameron, “Homosexual Parents,” Adolescence 31 (1996): 772″

    Homosexuals represent 2% of the population (being generous and rounding up) and account for 30% of the child molestations.

    Which implies that Heterosexuals consist of the remaining 98% of the population. This is simple subtraction, nothing overly complicated. (100% – 2% = 98%)

    It also implies that the heterosexual population commits 70% of the child molestations. Again this is simple subtraction. (100% – 30% = 70%)

    If homosexuals consisted of 4.67% of the population they would molest the exact same amount of children as the heterosexuals. The grade school math becomes more complicated, it involves ratios and cross multiplication. (2 * 70 / 30 = 4.67)

    That means that homosexuals are 21 times statistically more likely to molest children than heterosexuals

    “scratch the average homosexual and you’ll find a pedophile” – Kevin Bishop

  • Virginia K Ward

    It makes me wonder why she did not get custody of her children. The children are not in a good environment and I cannot believe any judge would grant custody to the ex husband under these circumstances. There must be more to the story.

  • desa

    The gay lifestyle is not as nice as it is often portrayed.

    • BarkingDawg

      Because people like you take every opportunity to beat them down.

      • Denise Matzavinos

        Not true. I know gays and they are nice enough. They gay lifestyle is simply not as it is portrayed in television and movies.

        • BarkingDawg

          I do not think that anyone’s lifestyle is like what is portrayed in television or movies.

          TV and movies are made up fantasies.

  • jimbo

    Most of these issues can be traced back to the women’s movement of the 60s and 70s. There are no longer designated gender roles. One of the most disgusting things that I see are female road construction workers. Women are not supposed to be grimy and sweaty. This is so wrong on so many fronts.

    • Frank Cartwright

      no, but it is okay if they must support their families as prostitutes.

  • ken

    WOW, for all of the scientific experts on this site who say a person made the choice to be homosexual. When did you make the choice to be heterosexual ? Was it before you turned 5? 10? As a matter of fact, if God suddenly for some unknown reason declared, that heterosexuality was now a sin, and homosexuality was to be enforced, could you change? As an ex Christian who fought the “Gay” orientation from my earliest memories, being taught it was evil, and therefore I was evil, everyday every prayer to a god that desperately loved, and wanted to please, I would beg to help me change my orientation, I was celibate until I was 30, til I had to admit it was all a lie, I was not evil, at that point I truly started to live a free life, not a life of darkness, and fear of divine judgment for something I had no control over. This guy was probably in a similar situation, yes her life may have been shattered for a while, but she will recover, and move on. However if he were to try to work it out, bury his feelings and stay, she could never give him what he needs, so he would be trapped forever, and neither would be able to move on. As for the kids being exposed to different views, how much of this is her overreacting, and exaggerating? I have seen straight so called Christian people expose their children to much worse. ALL parents need to be careful.We see all kinds of freaky stuff children are doing these days, murder drugs.etc… but for the most part, the ones I see on the news, are children of heterosexual Christian households. In case the point here is not clear, do not judge someone until you have lived in their shoes first, and clean your own house before telling someone else how to clean theirs.

    • rsdfwd

      WOW, for all of the scientific experts on this site who say a person made the choice to be homosexual. When did you make the choice to be heterosexual ?

      —————–
      Silly question – when did you make the choice to disregard nature?

  • Debb Trosclair

    Homosexuality is his choice and that has consequences. Here in the now and if unrepentant in the their after ! I too have been effected with this same sitiuation except in extended family it has torn ours up too ! and none of us ever judge this person! His warped world lead to this….We love him and his partner ..although we have Christans moral values ….. IT is to sad the innocents children have no choice in this mater! I am sure they will be harmed in their hearts ! being exposed to that enviorment ! If it was just the two of them then MAYBE I WOULD FEEL DIFERENT !

    • Frank Cartwright

      use at least one brain cell! why would homo be a choice and hetero not?

  • Melody Rainer Tregear

    May God supernaturally protect those children and may He, just as He did with Sodom and Gomorrah, come against the demonic spirit of homosexuality at work in the world today and destroy it’s power and influence. In the Name of Jesus I pray. Thank You Lord. Amen.

    • Frank Cartwright

      like god supernaturally protect the kids in concentration camps in Germany,or slave work in the laundries of Ireland owned by the church?

  • ken

    LOL, this woman is such a HYPOCRITE. She she just exposed her children’s father to public humiliation across all kinds of media, YEAH THAT IS DEFINITELY GOOD FOR THEIR MENTAL WELL BEING!!

    • Eponymous1

      Yeah, MUCH more damaging than them living in a household with 16 queens.

  • TammyJ777

    I see this heartbreaking story as sad as my own: porn helped to destroy one of the relationships I cherished.
    Infidelity, adultery, porn, homosexuality: all abominations and sins in God’s Eyes. The pain that these sins cause is astronomical and that is for the participants as well as the victims. This society is another Sodom and Gommorah and God will Judge accordingly.
    I don’t want to hear any people deceived by satan and his demons defending any of these sins or criticizing this poor woman. We need more people like her to speak out and defend the Truth! God Help us all! Jesus, please return soon!

  • Eponymous1

    This story must be completely false because it does not comport with the 100 percent positive and benign image of gays that I know is true from the TV.

    • BarkingDawg

      Just like everyone in America lived like Ward and June Cleaver back in the 50’s, right?

  • Jody Stafford

    This is what I mean by cramming it down our throats if we are not gay. Read this article and tell my why this just isn’t wrong. http://www.frc.org/washingtonupdate/natural-marriage-in-idaho-give-it-arrest

  • Bill Tree

    Queers are not a family and those who support such ungodly behavior will burn in hell with them. This nation need to wake up to reality about queers, unbelieves and all other sin will not enter heaven. Only three percent of this nation is trying to destroy the family that God put together as a family which are a woman for a man. American wake up before God brings judgment upon this land.

  • Bill Tree

    A judge do not have the authority to make law or change it. People of God do not obey a law that goes against the Word of God. God will deal with queers and those Judges who are trying to make law or change it. God will fight the battler for those who stand upon His word and do not back down from these ungodly judges and queers. They will have their day in hell soon.

  • Kara Connor

    The best way to avoid this situation is to stop being hateful to gay people so that they feel they have to hide, conform and marry someone of the opposite sex. Support marriage equality, then gay and lesbian people can marry other gay and lesbian people and this situation simply won’t happen. Of course, the 50% of opposite sex marriages which end in divorce will still be a problem, so perhaps people should concentrate on fixing that.

  • mbabbitt

    Adultery and divorce are both great sins against God. The people left behind are truly tortured by the pain of abandonment and betrayal. The Church’s complacent acceptance of divorce dug a deep trench for sin to build up in. Add to that sin field the gender confusion brought to the children’s lives with homosexuality and it’s even worse. Following God’s plan for us is sometimes so very difficult – everyone with a brain knows that – but leaving that plan leads to destruction for so so many.

  • Nikki Travis

    I am so sick of Christians saying that homosexuals choose their lifestyle… My friend Mark was playing in his mothers closet, loved pink, and sparkles at the age of two. A two year old does not know what it means to be homosexual. His mother discouraged his feminine side for years in hopes he would grow out of it until at the age of nine he went to his mother and said he felt different than everyone else and was confused. He was being picked on at school, it was causing him great distress… That isn’t something any person would choose to put themselves through on purpose. Mark refrained from any relationships just until this past year when he started to accept who he was and became close to Paul. Mark wen through hell in HS and being in the bible belt was teased, kicked in the stomach, beaten up on the bus numerous times until even my best friends mom couldn’t stand to see him limping home from the bus stop, she started taking him home from school with her kids driving her car. Mark was suicidal for years because of his sexual orientation and how people treated him. For the first time in his life he is now happy and coming out from under this dark cloud hanging over his head most of his life. People such as Reson2012 really need to step back and not make statements about things of which they have no understanding or apparently compassion. It is sad this woman was deceived but I would guess the reason her husband married a woman, had kids, and was in the closet for so long was because of how being gay was perceived 10 – 20 even 50 years ago. There has been a mass unveiling here in America and people are coming out of hiding and there is now a greater response from the public which does not judge them but accepts them the way they are and even loves them. Mark is one of my best friends and I am so glad he is exactly who he is the way he is. He is an floral designer and in home decorator and he has a wonderful disposition and loving gentle way about him. It seems that the only hate he receives is from the supposed compassionate christian community which has readily chased him out of his hometown and they have even gone so far as to be hostile to his family… The Christian community need to practice “If you can’t say something nice, then say nothing at all.”

    • Frank Cartwright

      finally intelligent life!

    • rsdfwd

      If you can’t say something nice, then say nothing at all.

      ———-
      You would recommend that response for murderers, thieves, and rapists, too?

  • Bingo

    My heart goes out to this woman and her shattered life, and especially to her children who she lost due to a system that is bending over backwards denying good sense and morals to kiss the behinds of those who thumb their nose at it all. those children will end up angry, confused and as their mother says—warped. This culture obviously has lost the understanding of family values and decency.

  • LeftleaningTx

    The stupid bit^h drove the poor man to homosexuality with her overbearing personality.
    I’m sure he couldn’t wait to get away from her, probably with anyone but after his experience with her decide that men were the way to go

  • RiverMikeRat

    Hundreds of thousands. Please. Get over your martyrdom complex.

    Your marriage was ruined probably because you were a terrible and worthless wife. If this article is any indication, you tried to metaphorically castrate your husband and he decided he’d had enough finally.

    Suck it up and accept the blame for a failed marriage that is yours.

  • Frank Cartwright
  • Jared Jenkins

    Imagine, a man thinks that he is suppose to be poked in the butt and then call it “love”. Poor thing!

  • Tzu-Xiang Chen

    Alright back to the article, anyone seems to realize the writer claim homosexual shattered her marriage is because her husband is struggling with his sexual identity? Well, this is what happen when you force everyone into heterosexual marriage because guess what, they might not want to hide anymore one day!
    BTW the husband is a good husband, he’s taking care of his family, educate them not to be bias, and let his wife write whatever she wants.

  • Nofun

    So you married a gay man in denial and it all went bad … and you blame homosexuality?

    Newsflash the bible says you should be quiet and submit.
    Why would any woman be a Christian.

    1 Timothy 2:11
    A woman should learn in quietness and full submission.

    1 Timothy 2:12
    I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man; she must be quiet.

    Genesis 3:16
    To the woman he said, “I will make your pains in childbearing very severe;
    with painful labor you will give birth to children. Your desire will be
    for your husband, and he will rule over you.”

    1 Corinthians 11:5
    But every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonors her head–it is the same as having her head shaved.

    1 Corinthians 11:13
    Judge for yourselves: Is it proper for a woman to pray to God with her head uncovered?

    1 Corinthians 14:35
    If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own
    husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the
    church.

    Ephesians 5:22
    Wives, submit yourselves to your own husbands as you do to the Lord.

    1 Peter 3:1
    Wives, in the same way submit yourselves to your own husbands so that, if any
    of them do not believe the word, they may be won over without words by
    the behavior of their wives,