Minister Who Runs Wedding Chapel Sues After Facing Jail, Fines for Rejecting ‘Gay Marriages’

Hitching PostCOEUR D’ALENE, Idaho – Attorneys for an Idaho minister who is facing possible jail time and fines for refusing to conduct “gay marriages” at a wedding chapel that he operates with his wife have filed a legal challenge seeking a court order banning the government from forcing them to officiate the ceremonies.

Donald Knapp and his wife Evelyn run Hitching Post Wedding Chapel in Coeur D’Alene, Idaho across from the county clerk’s office, which issues marriage licenses. Their ceremonies are blatantly Christian in nature, and include the reading of Scripture and the invocation of God’s blessing on the union. Those who marry at the facility are also provided with recorded sermons about marriage, along with recommendations of books on the subject.

However, after a federal district judge ruled earlier this year that the state must recognize same-sex “marriages”—striking down Idaho’s voter approved marriage amendment—Warren Wilson with the city attorney’s office noted, “For profit wedding chapels are in a position now where last week the ban would have prevented them from performing gay marriages, this week gay marriages are legal, pending an appeal to the 9th Circuit.”

“If you turn away a gay couple, refuse to provide services for them, then in theory you violated our code and you’re looking at a potential misdemeanor citation,” he explained.

The city attorneys office and other officials told the Knapps that due to the ruling and the city’s non-discrimination ordinance, they would be found in violation of the law if they refused to perform such ceremonies.

On Friday, attorneys with Alliance Defending Freedom (ADF) filed a federal lawsuit and a motion seeking a temporary restraining order against the ordinance being enforced against the Knapps. The organization states that the couple faces up to 180 days in jail and $1,000 in fines for each day that they decline to bless same-sex unions.

“The government should not force ordained ministers to act contrary to their faith under threat of jail time and criminal fines,” said ADF Senior Legal Counsel Jeremy Tedesco in a release about the matter on Saturday. “Many have denied that pastors would ever be forced to perform ceremonies that are completely at odds with their faith, but that’s what is happening here —and it’s happened this quickly.”

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“The city is on seriously flawed legal ground, and our lawsuit intends to ensure that this couple’s freedom to adhere to their own faith as pastors is protected just as the First Amendment intended,” he continued.

“The city somehow expects ordained pastors to flip a switch and turn off all faithfulness to their God and their vows,” added ADF Legal Counsel Jonathan Scruggs. “The U.S. Constitution as well as federal and state law clearly stand against that. The city cannot mandate across-the-board conformity to its interpretation of a city ordinance in utter disregard for the guaranteed freedoms Americans treasure in our society.”

Writer Eugene Eugene Volokh says that he believes the Idaho Religious Freedom Restoration Act protects the Knapps, and that forcing a minister to speak words against his convictions would violate the constitution.

“Given that the Free Speech Clause bars the government from requiring public school students to say the pledge of allegiance, or even from requiring drivers to display a slogan on their license plates, the government can’t require ministers—or other private citizens—to speak the words in a ceremony, on pain of either having to close their business or face fines and jail time,” he wrote this weekend.


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  • jjgrandisland

    Why does this minister and his wife not form a church. Then there will be no problem. No minister in their church should be forced to marry anyone. Now on the other hand if he wants to open the chapel as a business then he must follow the rules or pay the price.

    • Becky Taylor

      He doesn’t need a church. It doesn’t matter if its a business or not. No Christian should be forced to violate their religious beliefs.

      • SFBruce

        It may not matter to you, but it very much matters in the eyes of the law. Local law prohibits discrimination based on sexual orientation, which is what this would be. jjgrandisland is exactly right: churches are entirely free to marry and/or not marry whomever they please; businesses which open their doors to the public, can not discriminate based on race, religion or sexual orientation, among other categories.

        • scottrose

          Another troll queen, you gals are so bored? Did you run out of porn? can’t get it up any more, so you can only troll? Sad little things.

      • jjgrandisland

        Sorry. I beg to differ. The laws for commerce in the public square is very clear. To permit these types of public accommodation laws will only lead to an Iraq or Syria. Is that what you advocating for?

      • SpeakTruth

        Wrong. A business must abide by the rules and regulations that all other businesses must abide by. Just because this business is owned and run by Christians doesn’t mean they get to ignore the rules.

    • espy000

      He doesn’t have to invoke GOD’S blessing. All he is required to do is hold a ceremony of the state blessing them with the rights given by the state to married couples. If he gets in trouble for not invoking GOD’S blessing, thats where I see a problem with religious freedom. Christians are to live in the world, not of the world, If your job requires you to carry out tasks that are against the will of GOD but have no bearing on you as a follower of GOD directly, then GOD will not hold you accountable for such things. When we turn people away from the path to GOD by being bigoted, we only cause harm to our Christian witness. Any homosexual couple who claims to believe in the GOD of Abraham and Jesus knows full well that they are living in willing disobedience to GOD. The minister may even state that he believes all scripture to be true, including GOD’S displeasure in homosexual relationships, It is not a sin for the pastor to carry out a legal ceremony for the state, it only becomes sinful for the pastor if he goes against scripture and makes the statement that GOD blesses their union. At which point he has spoken against the Spirit.

      • William Mazeo

        Disagree. A marriage is a marriage no matter if by state or church.

        • espy000

          This is about a state recognized union, not a GOD ordained union.
          The issue is that this pastor has a public business and has a duty to the state to honor state ordained unions where laws concerning marriage benefits are the reason for the marriage. Just because the homosexuals call their union a marriage is no more binding before GOD as someone telling GOD they will do whatever they please with no recourse. I do not support gay marriage but we live in a humanist society with humanist laws. If the pastor doesn’t include GOD, scripture in the ceremony, it’s nothing more than working at a restaurant and serving a homosexual couple. Our kingdom is with GOD not man, man can have his laws, live in sin and deny the will of GOD to his own demise. Our responsibility is to presenting the truth of scripture that GOD has sent us a sacrifice for our sins and let the Holy Spirit convict whomever He Wills.

          • William Mazeo

            No, a marriage is a marriage. What is wrong is wrong you can’t find excuses to do it. If he celebrates it he is supporting it.
            If you sell a car and people use it to kill someone you have nothing to do with it.
            But in this case he’d be directly involved with it. There is no excuse.
            We must obey authorities and the laws but we must obey God first. If you go to a islamic state you’ll become a muslim because their laws tells you to do? Will you deny Jesus if someday it’s illegal to be a Christian in the US? Will you start dating a 10 years old in the day laws allow this to happen (and it will happen, with homosexuality all the rest of the trash will come sooner or later)?
            ” Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will.”

      • jjgrandisland

        Sorry. If you run a business you need to follow the rules. No one is forcing this couple to open up a business which serves the public. But if we permit this what if they say they don’t want to pay taxes or making sure they keep a hygienic facility…or make their business access to people with disabilities?
        As for “your” interpretation of our faith. Sorry you do not get to define my faith.

        • bowie1

          How about an atheist officiant performing a Christian wedding that perhaps grates against what he or she believes in?

          • jjgrandisland

            Can you reference one of these? I thought atheists do not marry anyone. But I could be wrong.

          • bowie1

            I don’t know about Idaho but in the province of Ontario anyone can become an officiant and I happen to know a Humanist Officiant who has a license to perform marriages including non-religious ones. I assume it must be possible in the USA but I could be wrong.

          • jjgrandisland

            I think anyone can get an on-line license to become a minister. But what you cannot do is open a business to the public as a minister and then deny service. And that is what these bad business people are trying to do.

        • scottrose

          Queenie, go put on your eye cream, or people will know you’re over 60.

          • jjgrandisland

            That’s all you got? Just be lucky you are hiding behind your keyboard.

        • espy000

          What are you saying? You sound as though you agree with what I said, apart from the fact the pastor does not have to invoke the blessing of GOD. It’s not the place of government to force anyone running any business to blaspheme the Word of GOD just to preside over legal union before the state. It would be like going to a muslim run Halal butcher shop and forcing them to serve pork. It wouldn’t happen,….and the Christian hating liberals in America would be up in arms defending the religious rights of the muslim.

    • Carol Sakaguchi

      Why? Can only people who support LGBT operate businesses in this world? No one who operates a business is allowed to follow their conscience? I smell something very fishy going on kinda like the book 1984 groupthink and groupspeak.

      • Alex Soderberg

        Homosexuals are fascists, to put it bluntly. The talk of “tolerance” is just a cover, they do not tolerate others.

      • jjgrandisland

        Carol…it is not the point of supporting or not supporting a business. It is about making sure everyone has equal access to goods and services. It is also to keep the peace. Particularly when crazy people decide to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights when they get angry and feel insulted by being told you are not welcome here in my store. Technically that is what is happening in Syria right now. So…think before you respond.

        • Carol Sakaguchi

          It’s not about fairness or equal access. It’s about denying people of faith equal access to the marketplace. Very similar to the kinds of things that took place in the Soviet Union. Marginalizing anyone who does not agree with the government. The gov is not the end all be all and if you think it is you are in for a big surprise. You and I will never agree. When gov gets too big it tends toward totalitarianism and we are headed in that direction as our gov keeps getting bigger and bigger even dictating what kids can eat at school lunches. After a while it borders on the ridiculous.

          • jjgrandisland

            How are people of faith being denied equal access to the marketplace? Have I missed something? Have Christians been denied access to any goods or services? Please help me out here. I am trying to understand your position. Government’s job is to stop us from fighting and killing each other. That is why we have public accommodation laws.

          • Carol Sakaguchi

            Christians are being pushed out of the marketplace as entrepreneurs, as gov laws encroach on their conscience. Do you ever notice muzlims ever being challenged the way Christians are?

        • The Last Trump

          Gotta love these trolls that are always so quick to defend the LGBT community with “It’s the law! It’s the law! Christians have to accept it!” But…wasn’t it the law a mere 24 hours earlier that stated that gay marriage was illegal until the unelected Supreme Court just now overturned it? Ahhh yes, “the law.” Sorry folks, the laws we Christians tend to live by don’t change every 24 hours. What a joke. Tune in again tomorrow to see if it’s still legal! (And then try to run a business and uphold your convictions under those ridiculous circumstances. Ah well, as long as gays are happy.)

          • jjgrandisland

            Sorry buddy. It was the law. Municipalities passed non-discrimination laws before the marriage ban was overturned. Unless you advocate discriminating against race, creed, color, physical disabilities…and wait..wait…sexual orientation. You need to understand this country continues to expand freedom and rights for all. Not just now a vocal minority of people who have an “ick” factor on this topic.

      • Sam

        Can people who supportLGBT operate businesses in this world? It seems that way.

  • Guest

    why would homosexuals get married before a minister whose God he believes in condemns them? no, its not just human rights or whatever cosmetic reason they call it. it is obviously a sinister intent, evil in nature.

  • Marie ‘Walsh’ Rilea

    Why doesn’t the Government marry this couple since the are the ones sanctioning
    these unions

    • jjgrandisland

      The government will. But to be refused service in the public square cannot be tolerated. If you think that is correct what about a Muslim business owner telling you need to go shop somewhere else? I think you would be crying like a little baby. And most likely start exercising your 2nd Amendment rights. I think that is what is going on in Iraq right now. Is that what you want?

      • Mary Taylor

        No one should be forced to go against their religious convictions. If I went into a Muslim shop, I’d abide by their rules or go elsewhere. I have no problem with that.

        • jjgrandisland

          Mary…what rules would that be. When they deny you food, drink, medicine etc… Sorry I think you would be screaming like a stuck pig.

          • MC

            “When they deny you food, drink, medicine etc… ”

            What Muslims in America are denying anyone food, drink, and medicine?

          • jjgrandisland

            I do not think any Muslims are doing this in America. One because it is just rude…second it is bad business…and third they seem to be reading the rules.

          • MC

            No, because a gay couple wouldn’t dare try and do this to Muslims.

          • jjgrandisland

            Wow…you love to play the martyr. Maybe our Muslim citizens are just a bit smarter. They might actually be reading the rules. Kudos to them.

          • MC

            Wow, you love to play the gay persecution card. I’ll to you a secret, it doesn’t work.

          • jjgrandisland

            I don’t play any cards. I bring facts to the table. If you choose to ignore the facts that is your prerogative. But history will deal with you accordingly. I urge you to keep your moniker anonymous. You would not want your grandchildren saying “Grandpa, did you really say stuff like that?” Ewwwwwwww

          • jmstalk

            It is your viewpoint that will be viewed with distain in future generations, when they reap the whirlwind from a perverse and fallen generation.

          • jjgrandisland

            No I will not be looked upon with distain. Unfortunately, you my friend will have your grandchildren looking at you similarly as we today look at KKK members. I weep for you.

          • MC

            When you’re not busy playing your persecution card, let me know when you start bringing “facts” to the table, I don’t want to miss it. And why are you trolling Christian sites, what weird thrill do you get off from it?

          • jjgrandisland

            I have brought facts. Not made up fairytales which are running around in your head. And the reason I am on a Christian site is I am a Christian. So stop the trolling garbage. See you do not get to define my faith. I do. I am just hoping to find like minded people so we can stand together to tell the world this is the not the Christianity Jesus died for.

          • MC

            “I am just hoping to find like minded people”

            You mean people like you who support sin and believe a gospel that is contrary to the TRUE Gospel that Jesus and the apostles preached?

            “See you do not get to define my faith. I do.”

            No, the Holy Spirit does, and you either support sin or you don’t, and you do. So, again, why are you trolling Christian sites?

          • jjgrandisland

            So you know what God said? Did you get some text message from him or do you have a direct hotline to his office? No you dont. All you are rwlying on is what somebody supposedly wrote on an animal skin 2000 years ago. Aka…the internet of that time. And I am sure you do mot believe in everything you read on todays internet. So I urge you to use the brain God gave you and stop trying to debase his other creations.

          • MC

            Oh, I see, you’re one of those “Christians” who don’t believe the Bible is God’s Word. God just speaks to you personally. I guess the rest of us, including the early Church Fathers, and 2000 years of Christian theologians, will just have to make do with the thousands of copies that some unknown people wrote on animal skin and Papyrus, while you have been granted a direct private line to God who speaks to your mind. Oh, pity us, we are but feeble men.

          • kccoallday

            This old troll has been around since forever, ignore “jj” he’s not worth it.

          • SecularPatroit

            Who are you to define the Christian faith, you immoral sleazebag? You’re nobody, just an aging homosexual, bored and unhappy, spewing her hate all day.

          • jjgrandisland

            I get to define my Christian faith. And I am sick and tired of people like you who stand up and call people names and accuse of being everything from “sleazebags” to “heretics”. And I do not spew hate. You should know that as you are pretty good at doing it yourself.

          • kccoallday

            boo hoo, the mean old straight man hurt my poor widdle feewings – mommy!!!!

          • jjgrandisland

            No…the mean old straight man was trying to make his inner “ick” feeling go away. Maybe you guys should exchange emails. You might actually hit it off.

        • The Last Trump

          And let me guess, you probably wouldn’t pick a Muslim cleric to officiate at your wedding, am I right? No? Darn it! I thought that was a no-brainer…:(

        • JeffreyRO55

          What religion says that two people can’t get married?

          • Neiman

            God said he instituted marriage between one man to one woman, wherein they would before Him become one flesh. There is absolutely not even the most remote hint that any other coupling in marriage will be tolerated by Him. Further, in that same Christian faith homosexual conduct is condemned by God, it is the same thing as idolatry before Him and thus God would never condone people to marry and continue in a sexual relationship that He condemns.

          • SecularGov

            You forgot a few scriptures….

          • Neiman

            I don’t have time to educate you on God’s Word.

          • SecularGov

            This just tells me you have never actually read the bible from cover to cover. Many Christians base the belief of a soul and God
            upon the Bible. Strictly speaking, there is no such book. To make the
            Bible, sixty-six books are bound into one volume. These books are
            written by many people at different times, and no one knows the time or
            the identity of any author. Some of the books were written by several
            authors at various times. These books contain all sorts of contradictory
            concepts of life and morals and the origin of things. Between the first
            and the last nearly a thousand years intervened, a longer time than has
            passed since the discovery of America by Amerigo V.
            The problem with this minister is he cherry picks what he wants to uphold in the bible. He is ok with marrying divorcees, non virgins , people who wear mixed fabrics, people who eat shell fish and pork. These are all abominations , and yet he ignored them. Just like you.

          • Neiman

            a. I have studied the Bible for over six decades of life, cover to cover. So, you are wrong.
            B. Not one thing you said above is based on facts, they are the product of Christ hating atheists.
            C. As I said, I simply do not have the time nor inclination to educate you.

            D. Every word you said above is based on hate and your own self-deification.

          • SecularGov

            Atheist do not hate Christians. Atheist just do not believe in god(s). Anti-theists dislike all religions. I am a world religion studies major and an engineer. I have probably studied more about religion than you have tried to comprehend in your 6 decades. I have stated nothing but facts in my last post. There is no hate. I can’t hate something that I do not believe exist. What you have is called cognitive dissonance. That is when evidence is present contrary to your belief system. Very common amongst theist. Since you have read the bible cover to cover, how do you ignore the parts where god kills humans for his mistakes(Flood)or (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT), or his support for slavery(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)or (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB), or his support for rape
            (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)or (Deuteronomy
            22:28-29 NLT).
            God kills 70,000
            innocent people because David ordered a census of the people (1 Chronicles 21).

            God also orders the destruction of 60 cities so that the Israelites can live
            there. He orders the killing of all the men, women, and children of each city,
            and the looting of all of value (Deuteronomy 3). He orders another attack and
            the killing of “all the living creatures of the city: men and women, young, and old, as
            well as oxen sheep, and asses” (Joshua 6). In
            Judges 21, He orders the murder
            of all the people of Jabesh-gilead, except for the virgin girls who were taken
            to be forcibly raped and married. When they wanted more virgins, God told them
            to hide alongside the road and when they saw a girl they liked, kidnap her and
            forcibly rape her and make her your wife! Just about every other page in the
            Old Testament has God killing somebody! In 2 Kings 10:18-27, God orders the
            murder of all the worshipers of a different god in their very own church! In
            total God kills 371,186 people directly and orders another 1,862,265 people
            murdered.

            Your God is evil and it admits it: I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. Isaiah 45:7
            Why would you worship an evil being?

          • Neiman

            It is hate, it is hatred of the Creator Whom you “know” exists, but you fear Him and His Judgment, because you refuse to obey Him. You study world religions precisely because you hate God and want desperately to prove He does not exist to satisfy your own raging ego and self deification.

            Try starting here for some answers, but I will not engage in vain disputations with a person Whom God calls a fool.

            http://www.gotquestions.org/God-killing.html

          • SecularGov

            Again, you can’t hate something that does not exist. Until we have evidence of a deity’s existence, it does not exist.Regardless of how much you want to believe it exist, it still will be only in your mind. There is no ego involved. I base life on critical thinking and evidence. You base life on faith. Faith is the belief in something without evidence. These are basic definitions.
            You are what as know as a Christian apologetic… Which is Christian theology which attempts to present a rational basis for the Christian faith, defending the faith against objections. Funny how you think your deity is the only one. There are over 4000 man made gods, and you chose yours because of demographics and geography. If you were born in the middle east, you would be most likely a Muslim. That means you would be defending Allah. If you were born in India, you would most likely be defending Krishna. The list goes on. You were born in the US which most likely labels you as a christian. so you understand, I would never try to convert you from your chosen religion. However, I would like to promote critical thinking skills. This is why I quoted all those bible verses in my last post. What amazes me is that your ideology clouds your critical thinking skills to point where you ignore any wrong doing of your deity. There are so many books that disprove Christianity to recommend. Even if I were to recommend a book, I know you would refuse because of cognitive dissonance. It would hurt your “soul” to find out actual evidence against your religion. The leading professor on world religions is Bart Ehrman. If you want to learn about the origin and history of your chosen religion , look him up.

            Last thing, Do you believe you god loves us unconditionally?
            If so, then ask your self why we have to believe or worship him? If your god has unconditional love for us, then it would not matter if I am an believer or non believer.

          • Robby Clewley

            You are a FAKE Christian

          • NiteClerk

            All things belong to God. If He kills half the planet, then everything that is left still belongs to Him.

          • SecularGov

            Then your deity in not a loving deity. It is pure evil.

          • Rebecca Spellmeyer

            Then I guess if your parents punish you for doing something wrong then they are taking their mistakes out on you. Which means that you have no free will and are nothing but a puppet dependent entirely on something/someone else. You have no independence whatsoever.

      • scottrose

        Miss Jankowiak is a [email protected] troll who is so bored and lonesome she lurks on religious blogs.

        She’s infected hundreds with AIDS.

        • jjgrandisland

          Nice. I knew you would expose your ugly self. Scott is the one who gets some evil pleasure attacking gays and lesbians, including the Christian ones. Nice…Real class act.

      • The Last Trump

        Yes the government absolutely was willing and able. But why pass up an opportunity to attack Christians and fight legal battles when you’re SUPPOSED to be planning a wedding? Hmmm, didn’t these LGBT folks claim not so long ago that all they really wanted was to be left alone? Boy, did we fall for that! Actions speak louder than words. Soooo, THIS is what happens when you compromise with sin…go figure.

        • jjgrandisland

          Stop the martyr role. It is almost looking pathetic. As for being left alone…gays and lesbians pleaded for civil unions. But noooooo your buddies Jerry Falwell, Jessie Helms, Ralph Reed, James Dobson, Tony Perkins, Maggie Gallagher and Brian Brown would have none of it. Well now our best jurists are looking at our founding documents and pointing out to you that this is a no-no. Sorry you disagree but you started this fight by ostracizing, institutionalizing, incarcerating, arresting, denying employment, firing, denying housing, and just all around using the ‘f” word to often. Now you are going to have to live with the consequences. Sorry Trump….I guess you got trumped by your own actions.

          • The Last Trump

            Me? Martyr? Not a chance. I’ve been waiting to see this day since becoming a Christian twenty years ago. See JJ, Christians have always known, and expected, that a certain godless period of time would come along where good would be seen as evil, and evil would be considered good. Sexual immorality would run rampant and every man would do what is right in his own eyes. So you see, my sexually confused friend, these are joyous times for Christians. Soon, very soon…….Ah, I don’t want to spoil the surprise! You’ll see. God bless! 😉

          • Bacchus

            By my calculation we are in the final count down. Cant wait.

          • Beau Hammonds

            How many times have we heard that one…..

          • Bacchus

            More times than I care to remember. However there are so many events that have happened that never happened before. Be headings califats Churches dying apostasy witchcraft increasing many wars

          • MC

            Sounds like the persecution card is always played by the LGBTP community and the atheist community. And it’s already is pathetic.

          • jjgrandisland

            It is not pathetic. What is pathetic is that you deny these issues have been going on right under your nose and you have done nothing about it. But why should you? You have found justification to demonize these people so whatever happens is their fault. Well guess what? You are finding out not only did you ignore the issues you are perpetuating them. As an example by now by using the term “persecution card”.

          • Sam

            It’s been pathetic for a very long time

          • Bacchus

            Considering the fact that poofters do not believe in God …Why do they want to get married??????? Bit of a contradiction here don’t you think??????

          • jjgrandisland

            Do not believe in God? Stop this foolishness and name calling. You sound like a child in a schoolyard.

          • Bacchus

            Absolutely. God the Father Adoni God the Son Y’shuah and God the Holy Spirit. Jesus (Y’shuah) sent two angels to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah Because of their perversion to homosexual living. NOTHING HAS CHANGED. God considers Poofters demonic regardless if you approve or not. No one who lives in this manner can be considered to love God. This is a gross perversion.

          • jjgrandisland

            Stop the fairy tales. It only makes our faith look like some hocus pocus smoke an mirrors following which hoodwinks its masses. And your reference to gays and lesbians just proves the type of individual you really. Thanks for the confirmation.

          • kccoallday

            Nerdy old pansy.

            “Fairy tales” are stories of you gals pooping on each other during “love.” Bet you measure the intensity of the “love” by how much blood and fecal matter you excrete when the stranger is humping you in the mall restrooms.

            You’ll die of AIDS, good riddance, enjoy hell.

          • jjgrandisland

            Everyone reading kccoallday’s posts. Just take note what an insecure little man he is. I actually like the opening words. At first they want to turn you away but I guess it is like not looking at the “car crash” when you are approaching. You say you wont look…but you do.
            kccoallday…It must really be scary in that thar head of yours.

          • Bacchus

            Jesus is NOT a fairy tale. He is real and NO one has the justification to break what he set in stone. If these poofs want to get “married” and call God a liar everyday of their “married “lives They have no need to go to a church. I would certainly NOT “marry” them even if it meant I had to go to gaol. I will NEVER support anyone who seeks to PEVERT Gods word.

          • jjgrandisland

            These “poofs” are not trying to undermine heterosexual marriages. If anything they are there to help support the toss away children ” perfect people” are creating. No one is calling GOD a liar…they are embracing him by showing the love they provide for the children which are thrown away by irresponsible chromosome donors. I am not Peverting GOD’s word…I am embracing it and rejecting the horrible words men have added to his word. Dude…it is all about love and acceptance.

          • jjgrandisland

            No one is asking you to. But we are asking you to stop calling gays and lesbians names and not trying to define their faith. We are all welcome to our own beliefs. That is what makes America great.

          • Kiama Desmangles

            Don’t get caught up in the name calling. Just believe what God says.

          • jjgrandisland

            I do not name call. And I do believe in GOD. What I tend to look at very skeptically is what MEN have written in GOD’s name. They have come up with some real doozies.

          • Rebecca Spellmeyer

            Are you sure we are all welcome to our own beliefs because it seems to me that anyone that has a Christian belief is not welcome and that is made clear with government supported punishment and harassment meant to destroy that persons life.

          • jjgrandisland

            I disagree. But if you want to know how we learned to not be “welcoming” it most likely came from you ostracizing, institutionalizing, incarcerating, firing, expelling us from higher learning institutions, debasing, beating and yes killing us. You folks taught us very well. I happen to think people like you are getting off pretty easily. All we are saying is go back to your homes and houses of worship where you can say and do whatever you want. And stop acting like the crying bully that has just got knocked on his butt.

          • Sam

            Yes it is

        • Theodore Fenton

          You nailed it.

      • 1register

        What? Our constitution guarantees us freedom of religion. It is against our religion to have our churches perform homosexual marriages. PERIOD. No, I would not cry like a baby to be asked to shop elsewhere and you are comparing apples and oranges! There is no reason other than attention, harassment and winning a pile of money in a lawsuit for these people to insist that people violate their consciences by being forced to provide services to homosexuals. They could go to any one of a number of other places and be given these services by people who are not spiritually offended by the demands. The fact that these people target places who cannot in clear conscience do what they demand is unconscionable. I wonder what would happen if I went to a tee shirt company owned by homosexuals and asked them to print shirts up with scriptures opposed to homosexuality. Do you suppose they would decline the order?

        • SFBruce

          Perhaps you don’t realize no one has sued the Kapps’ at this point. It is THEY who are suing the city, basically asking for an exemption from the law, and to be compensated for their costs in bringing the suit.

        • Sam

          They would decline and probably nothing would happen.

        • SecularGov

          It’s also against your religion to marry divorcees, non-virgins, people who wear mixed fabrics, people who eat shellfish and pork, people who stand next to women during their menstrual cycle. But some how these abominations get ignored. These scriptures are coming from the same hate document (bible) and the same OT. Why is it that these ministers can pick and choose what abominations they can want to uphold ?

          • Rebecca Spellmeyer

            Ministers do not pick and choose what abominations they want to uphold. They study the bible as opposed to just reading it. This study outlines Gods teaching and the way we are expected to live a Godly life. Ath Divorce is accepted if it is the result of cheating. If someone is not a virgin before marriage that is between them an God. They could have repented and be living a pure life so that is a different matter. The rest of the things you list where rules set aside for Gods people to either set them apart from other groups that sinned or to keep the blood line which would produce Jesus pure. After Jesus was born and died those standards where no longer needed.

      • Neiman

        It is against the First Amendment for the government to be involved in dictating religious beliefs or forcing people to violate their faith. These people have options without their trying to force their sexual lifestyle on people of faith.

      • jmstalk

        so you believe that business owners and anyone earning a living in the so-called public square can and should be forced to violate their conscience? Does that mean they can force doctors to do abortions because after all, abortions are legal? You are one confused individual. The Constitution protects my right to live and practice my faith in and out of public life. There is no historical precedent in American history for forcing people to violate their conscience. And by the way, people are not born gay so being gay is not equivalent to being born into one race or another. So there is no discrimination in the first place.

  • Marie ‘Walsh’ Rilea

    Why don’t these people go get married by the Government in a civil union since it’s the Government sanctioning these marriages?

    • dogtags40

      Idaho doesn’t have civil unions.

      • MC

        No, what he means is, why don’t they get married by a judge. Getting married from a pastor or priest is a religious ceremony. Although there are some deluded Pastors that will marry them, that way everyone is happy.

    • Reinhold Von Kirschmann

      “These people” wow how full of hate is that. Just listen to yourself. You are what’s wrong with this country. Using religion to justify your hate Marie is so wrong.

      • scottrose

        But it’s OK for you gays to hate?

        Double standard. Big hypocrites you are.

        • Jud Bennett

          But Scott, Reinhold, like me, is only hating the haters that claim they don’t hate. He’s not hating all Christians. He could very well be a Christian himself.

          • Brian

            No such thing as “gay Christian.”

          • Jud Bennett

            LOL

          • Sam

            That’s true

          • Theodore Fenton

            If he’s a Christian, he can’t be hating people.
            He isn’t.

          • Jud Bennett

            By that logic, most of the self proclaimed Christians posting here aren’t really Christians.

          • Wootsauce

            Well. You can hate people as a Christian but you do have to work at not doing so. I hate tons of people but I pray constantly for God to remove that from me…

        • Alex Soderberg

          You can’t out-hate homosexuals. For the emotionally empty, living just for sex, hate is the only emotion they’ve got. They don’t even like each other, look at how they infect each other with AIDS. The only thing binding their “community” together is hate for Christians.

          • Reinhold Von Kirschmann

            Wow just listen to yourself. So that’s what you think gays are. Yikes.

          • Theodore Fenton

            Gays don’t give each other AIDS?

            Wow, you’re an education.

            So, who gives you AIDS? Christians shove the virus up your rear end when you’re asleep?

        • Reinhold Von Kirschmann

          Yeah hate bigots and not having equal rights! Lol

          • Theodore Fenton

            Hey, throw out that word “bigot,” you won the debate!
            When you and one of your male sex partners is able to make a baby together, then we’ll talk about “equal” to normal couples. Until then, you’re not even close to equal.

          • Sam

            They can’t because it’s not normal

      • Carol Sakaguchi

        Just because someone doesn’t agree with you does not make them a hater. Shouting that people are haters is a communist way of trying to shut them up. We are on to your techniques
        . You need to come up with some new ones. Tolerant only of those who agree with you which is actually intolerant.

        • Ken M

          This is standard procedure – accuse Christians of “hate.” It’s obvious which side the hate is coming from.

      • The Last Trump

        “You.” Wow, can’t believe you just said that! So filled with hate and disdain! (!?) Seriously, you guys are too much. But, at least you didn’t say “these people” when you were talking about…um…you know….these people…

        • Sam

          I don’t hate or disdain gay or lesbians

  • dogtags40

    Key issue is “for profit”. This means there must be a business license involved. Generally, having a license means conforming to applicable law, including discrimination laws, or “public accommodation laws.” A not-for-profit enterprise would not have the same constraints.

    • Carol Sakaguchi

      Try to picture that you are running a business and the gov passes a law that goes against your conscience (something you believe to be morally wrong) now you are being forced by the gov to go against your conscience or close your business. The only people left in the market place to do business are immoral. Try, just try to imagine that.

    • keats5

      I saw the “for profit,” part, but still think the minister cannot be forced into performing a holy rite that is against his faith tradition. Likewise, I don’t think Jewish or Muslim delis should be forced to provide bacon to an affair they’re catering, regardless of what the customer desired. People have been managing to honor the religions of business owners for years in this country.

      • SFBruce

        As far as I know, there is no law requiring a businesses to provide specific products or services. For example, the Hitching Post Lakeside Chapel has decided to offer only Christian weddings, and that’s just fine. They don’t have to offer purely civil ceremonies, or Jewish or Muslim ceremonies. However, since religion is a protected category, they can’t deny a Jewish couple who shows up at their door asking to purchase a Christian wedding. Since sexual orientation is also a protected category in Coeur d’Alene, they also can’t turn away same-sex couples.

  • Marie ‘Walsh’ Rilea

    The Pastor ought to spend an hour sharing the Gospel and all scripture pertaining to Homosexuality being wrong and sinful…maybe that would deter these two.

    • Gary

      Great idea. That might convince them to get someone else to “marry” them.

    • t. kerce

      There isn’t actually any gay couple, no one at all has ever filed a complaint against this business, and it is a business as they take money for their service. Seriously there is no lawsuit against them at all.

  • jjgrandisland

    I urge this minister to follow his local commercial and public accommodation laws. To not do so will cause great harm to his business and make Christians look evil and not welcoming. He is running a business. If he wants to protect his faith he should become a 501(c)3 and not open his doors to different faiths. And just for the record what about the 1st Amendment rights of the gay or lesbian couple that walks through his door?

  • Gary

    They are toast. They are violating local laws and will either comply with the laws, or close their business. The homosexuals and their allies will demand one or the other. But then, it is an unbiblical business anyway. God never intended that marriage be a commercial enterprise. Or that it be defined and regulated by civil government.

    • Paul Hoskins

      “They are toast.”

      Full of love, aren’t you? You one of those tolerant, compassionate liberals? Makes you feel like a man to hate a nice Christian couple?

      • Gary

        You misunderstood me. I think they should be free to refuse business if they want to. I just meant that they are not likely to be able to do that given the laws where their business is, and given the homosexual frenzy of late.

        • Paul Hoskins

          Sorry about that. There is a gay “Gary” who posts a lot of snarky comments on Christian blogs, guess I read your earlier post the wrong way. I edited my original post, not good for Christians to attack each other, we get enough malice from their side.

          • Gary

            That’s OK. I probably need to put some kind of picture beside my name to identify myself. Which I just did.

  • Paul Adams

    A pastor may refuse to marry a couple under any other grounds.

  • Jud Bennett

    Though I believe his ideology is outdated and bigoted, I do believe he should have to right to refuse to perform gay weddings.

  • The Last Trump

    Gotta love these trolls that are always so quick to defend the LGBT community with “It’s the law! It’s the law! Christians have to accept it!” But…wasn’t it the law a mere 24 hours earlier that stated that gay marriage was illegal until the Supreme Court overturned it? Ahhh yes, “the law.” Sorry folks, the laws we Christians tend to live by don’t change every 24 hours. What a joke.

    • Brian

      They weren’t so pro-law when sodomy laws were on the books. They pick and choose which laws they like. There are still laws against public indecency, but they hang out and have sex in public restrooms anyway.

      • Opus35

        And heterosexuals still pay for prostitutes, for some reason you don’t seem concerned about that.

    • Gary

      The homosexuals don’t hesitate to rebel against laws they dislike. They demand that the laws be changed to agree with them. But let someone disagree with a law they like, and the homosexuals want them prosecuted.

      • Opus35

        “For profit wedding chapels are in a position now where last week the ban would have prevented them from performing gay marriages, this week gay marriages are legal, pending an appeal to the 9th Circuit.”

        “For profit wedding chapels”, which is what
        this “minister” runs, it is a business by the name of “hitching post” this is not a Church. I bet he got his Ministry got his license on line, which anyone can do.

        Just because gays and lesbians are not going to put up with prejudice does not make them special, it makes them Americans.

        • Gary

          And you expect you can get away with your prejudice toward those who refuse to endorse homosexuality and ssm? The law that is being used against these business owners is immoral and violates their constitutional rights.

          • Opus35

            It’s not prejudice, he’s not a church, he’s just running a business. As such there are laws that is he haves to abide by. You just can’t do what ever you want when you run a business.
            I have a small business, let say I tell you I will not work with anyone who is named Gary. The law would be on your side, I can’t do that. If he was a Church that would make a world of difference. That’s the key to this story, it’s not a religious order, it’s a BUSINESS!

          • Gary

            The law is often wrong. In my view, you have the RIGHT to refuse to do business with whoever you want, for whatever reason you want. Business relationships, like personal relationships, should be voluntary. If any party is forced to participate, then their freedom is denied. And that is wrong. And I don’t believe such forcing is required by the Constitution.

          • Opus35

            Well gray the reality is that businesses have all types of rules they must follow. Stomping your feet and acting like they’re being cheated is not going to change anything. These laws are in place to protect the consumer. That include you and every other American.
            We don’t discriminate on the basis of religion. Now if he was a minister in the church of an actual religion that would be a different story. But he owns a business that serves the public, not a religious order.

          • Gary

            I see that you have no interest in being fair. All right. Then don’t be surprised when the consequences are negative.

          • Opus35

            Is that a threat?!? Are you threatening me? Is that were good Christians do Gary? You are a little bit of a psycho, aren’t you Gary?
            Life doesn’t go your way, you just start making threats?
            Hmmmm do you think the FBI would want to know about you and your threats?

          • Gary

            Life is going just fine. I don’t threaten people with violence over the internet. I am just telling you that if you are going to try to persecute people who won’t accept you, don’t be surprised when there are negative reactions.

          • Dennis Velco

            You enjoy coercing people who are different from you.

            So, you’re a fascist. Intolerant. Bigot.

            If you gays didn’t have your hate, what emotion would you have in your lives?

          • Opus35

            You don’t like it when Gay and lesbians stand up for them self do you? Well, get used to it, we are not going away. It’s the government who is going after this man not us. So get over yourself, heterosexual fascist. You should look up that word it has more to do with conservatives, then liberals.

          • Gary

            Tolerance for homosexuals is limited. You seem to ignore that fact. Everyone on your side is ignoring that fact.

          • Opus35

            You are sadly mistaken. If you got out more, away from your small world, you would know that Americans think SSM is no big deal. They are more worried about more important issues, like terrorist, economy, Jobs, then SSM. Try reading something more than the Christian news network.
            ABC news, and the Washington Post, just came out with a poll. Washington Post is a liberal newspaper but ABC news is a conservative news source.
            They do the polls together so they can get a good cross-section of America. 57% of Americans approve of same-sex marriage. I know you are just going to say that’s not right, or some other reason that the pole was not accurate.
            You and others like you need to see that the times are a changing. You don’t need to except us. As Americans you have the right not to approve of whatever you want.
            But the realities are clear, we will no longer be treated as second-class citizens.

          • Net35

            You can’t win in this environment. They don’t even see how angry they are. They feel like they’re being persecuted. When you point out how they have persecuted gays and lesbians, they go back on the religious faith. As if religion is a good reason to treat people badly. They are the definition of martyrs.

          • Rebecca Spellmeyer

            but sexual orientation is?

          • Gary

            Christians will never treat you as legitimate. You will always be considered perverts, which is what you really are.

          • Opus35

            Gary you have me confused with someone who cares. I don’t need christians approval. I have my own spiritual path that has nothing to do with Christians.
            I know that it is hard to get your head wrapped around the idea that not everyone is a Christian, but they’re not.

          • Gary

            I know you are not a Christian. You never will be. I often say that most people are not Christians. Even most people who claim to be Christians really are not.

          • Sam

            They live in their own world and ignore reality.

          • Sam

            I don’t like bullies

          • Sam

            The answer is nothing

          • Old Centurion

            Actually Opus – you could in fact decide that you will not do business with anyone named “Gary” and be totally within your right to do so… wake up and stop trying to impose your “beliefs” on others to clear your conscience… Just because you FORCE someone to do something you believe in by using the “law” doesn’t make it right. :/

          • Opus35

            My Conscience is crystal clear, you worry about your conscience of being angry at people for wanting not to be second-class citizens anymore. Your personal stance on this issue is no different than segregationists back in the 50s.
            If the state or any state laws have any type of anti-discrimination laws, I can be in legal trouble with the city, or the county, or the state or all three. Just like what is happening in this case. On top of that ” Gary'(s)” can take a lawsuit against me. No difference then anybody else when it to comes to lawsuits. Laws are put on the books to protect the consumer. The ways to deny a consumer, your business are very small, and do not allow denial of service because of your race creed religion or sexual orientation.
            Many states had these laws in place before SSM was even an issue. If this Business did not want to perform their service for black Americans they would be in the same legal trouble that they are today.

          • Rebecca Spellmeyer

            So when the Constitution says free exercise there of regarding religion it means you can live all aspects of your life according to your religion as the founders intended except when your in public and in the running of your business which is when you have to ignore it completely.

        • Wootsauce

          You’ll notice that the city is after THE TWO PASTORS, not the Hitching Post. They are targeting people not a business…

          • Opus35

            The hitching post is where they work, it is a business. It is not a church where congregation shows up every Sunday. All they do is weddings, so it is a business. Pastors are not above the law, they’re working at the hitching post they have to follow the rules.

          • Wootsauce

            Homofascism at it’s finest…

    • MC

      “Gotta love these trolls that are always so quick to defend the LGBT community”

      The trolls ARE the LGBTP community, and the majority of them are atheists. Queer and atheism go hand in hand.

      • Sam

        It’s sad but true.

    • Sam

      I don’t have to accept it

  • Theodore Fenton

    Persecuting a nice elderly couple.
    What a sick culture we live in.

    • Sam

      This is why I dont like them and have no respect for them because to many are bullies.

    • t. kerce

      No one is suing them, no one has even filed a complaint against them and the ACLU even said that in the case anyone were to attempt to sue them that their religious exemption, which was already in place at the time of THEIR lawsuit, covers the completely.

  • T C

    The article states, “The U.S. Constitution as well as federal and state law clearly stand against that. The city cannot mandate across-the-board conformity to its interpretation of a city ordinance in utter disregard for the guaranteed freedoms Americans treasure in our society.” So very true. Morality has degraded to such an extent that it is no longer feasible for Christians, homosexual activists and rogue judges to co-exist. This is a war between right and wrong. Best make sure you are on the side of God.

  • JT

    there is precedent for this in a state out east–they solved it by closing the marriage part of their business. Although I am not in favor of gay marriage–the exemption both here in Cnada an the US is for houses of worship

  • Antonio Georgius

    Hope he goes to jail. If he wants to run his business by his religion, and not the law of the land then he should move to Iran.

    • Dennis Velco

      Compassionate and tolerant, aren’t you, gal?

  • MC

    I’m glad Christians are starting to sue for their First Amendment rights. Although we shouldn’t have to sue for something that is guaranteed to every American.

  • Wild Child

    Ironic, the same people with the COEXIST bumper stickers are the same bigots calling for this couple’s heads. The “tolerant” left in all its hypocritical glory.

  • Reason2012

    Jesus pointed out that marriage is between one man and one woman:

    Matthew 19:4-6 “And he [Jesus] answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, (5) And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh? (6) Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.”

    Jesus even points out that for the cause of making them male and female, this is why male will leave his father and mother and cleave to his wife.

    Mark 10:5-7 “And Jesus answered and said unto them, For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. (6) But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. (7) For this cause shall a man leave his father and mother, and cleave to his wife;”

    Jesus said God made them male and female – not male and male – not female and female.

    Jesus said man shall leave father and mother, not father and father, not mother and mother.

    Jesus said man shall cleave to his wife, not to his husband, not to her wife.

    Not to mention Jesus is God, so the entire Word of God is the Words of Christ. As Jesus is The Word.

    John 1:1-3 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. (2) The same was in the beginning with God. (3) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

    John 1:14 “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”

    The Lord rebukes us for our attempts to destroy what He defined as one man and one woman.

    It doesn’t work anymore to call any who do not agree with the attempts of activists to legally re-define morals as having a phobia or being a bigot – people are realizing those are the only hateful actions here.

    We need to get back to the truth of God.

    May God / Jesus Christ be glorified.

  • James Grimes

    Getting back to the story… As an ordained minister, he has a right to be selective. His business is a Christian business and Christianity has a level of standards. I’m not sure why non-Christian would want him to conduct a ceremony in which he cannot participate. What non-Christian don’t understand is that the biblical standards that he adheres to trumps anything that man can come up with. Of course, the naysayers will say otherwise. As Christians, what they have to say is of no importance.

  • MC

    “The percentage of homosexual pedophiles ranges from 9% to 40%, which is approximately 4 to 20 times higher than the rate of adult men attracted to other adult men (using a prevalence rate of adult homosexuality of 2%—4%)”

    “A study by Abel et al. of 377 non incarcerated, non-incest-related pedophiles, whose legal situations had been resolved and who were surveyed using an anonymous self-report questionnaire, found that heterosexual pedophiles on average reported abusing 19.8 children and committing 23.2 acts, whereas homosexual pedophiles had abused 150.2 children and committed 281.7 acts.”

    Abel GG, Becker JV, Mittelman M, Cunningham-Rathner J, Rouleau JL, Murphy WD. Self-reported sex crimes of nonincarcerated paraphiliacs. J Interpers Violence . 1987; 2: 3— 25.

    “This article will present data gathered by the authors through structured clinical interviews of 561 paraphiliacs regarding demographic characteristics, frequency and variety of deviant sexual acts, and number and characteristics of victims. Results show that nonincarcerated sex offenders (1) are well educated and socioeconomically diverse; (2) report an average number of crimes and victims that is substantially higher than that represented in the current literature; and (3) sexually molest young boys with an incidence that is five times greater than the molestation of young girls. The relevance of these findings is discussed.”

    “Heterosexual pedophiles, in self-report studies, have on average abused 5.2 children and committed an average of 34 sexual acts vs homosexual pedophiles who have on average abused 10.7 children and committed an average of 52 acts. Bisexual offenders have on average abused 27.3 children and committed more than 120 acts. A study by Abel et al.”

    Murray JB. Psychological profile of pedophiles and child molesters. J Psychol . 2000; 134: 211— 224.

    Cohen LJ, Galynker II. Clinical features of pedophilia and implications for treatment. J Psychiatr Pract . 2002; 8: 276— 289.

    “This finding does not imply that homosexuals are more likely to molest children, ***just that a larger percentage of pedophiles are homosexual or bisexual in orientation***to children”.

    Blanchard R, Barbaree HE, Bogaert AF, et al. Fraternal birth order and sexual orientation in pedophiles. Arch Sex Behav . 2000; 29: 463— 478.

    “A study by Blanchard et al. evaluated the intelligence of 679 pedophilic subjects and found that the mean intelligence rating of bisexual and homosexual pedophiles was significantly lower than heterosexual offenders (either pedophile or teleiophile). The main factor for this difference in intellectual functioning was a higher percentage of subjects with borderline and full cognitive impairment in the bisexual and homosexual populations”.

    Blanchard R, Watson MS, Choy A, et al. Pedophiles: mental retardation, maternal age, and sexual orientation. Arch Sex Behav . 1999; 28: 111— 127.

    “Using phallometric test sensitivities to calculate the proportion of true pedophiles among various groups of sex offenders against children, and taking into consideration previously reported mean numbers of victims per offender group, the ratio of heterosexual to homosexual pedophiles was calculated to be approximately 11:1. This suggests that the resulting proportion of true pedophiles among persons with a homosexual erotic development is greater than that in persons who develop heterosexually.”

    “Individuals who engage in homosexual pedophilia were more likely to have been abused than individuals who engage in heterosexual pedophilia.”

    “In 1987, Dr. Stephen Rubin of Whitman College conducted a ten-state study of sex abuse cases involving school teachers. He studied 199 cases. Of those, 122 male teachers had molested girls, while 14 female teachers had molested boys. He also discovered that 59 homosexual male teachers had molested boys and four female homosexual teachers had molested girls. In other words, 32 percent of those child molestation cases involved homosexuals. Nearly a third of these cases come from only 1-2% of the population.”

    “The Los Angeles Times conducted a survey in 1985 of 2,628 adults across the U.S. Of those, 27% of the women and 16% of the men had been sexually molested. Seven percent of the girls and 93% of the men had been molested by adults of the same sex. This means that 40% of child molestations were by homosexuals. (Los Angeles Times, August 25-6, 1985)

    In 1984, a Vermont survey of 161 adolescents who were sex offenders found that 35 of them were homosexuals (22%). (Wasserman, J., “Adolescent Sex Offenders—Vermont, 1984” Journal American Medical Association, 1986; 255:181-2)

    In 1991, of the 100 child molesters at the Massachusetts Treatment Center for Sexually Dangerous Persons, a third were heterosexual, a third were bisexual, and a third were homosexual. (Dr. Raymond Knight, “Differential Prevalence of Personality Disorders in Rapists and Child Molesters,” Eastern Psychological Association Conference, New York, April 12, 1991)

    Drs. Freund and Heasman of the Clark Institute of Psychiatry in Toronto reviewed two studies on child molesters and calculated that 34% and 32% of the sex offenders were homosexual. In cases these doctors had handled, 36% of the molesters were homosexuals. (Freund, K. “Pedophilia and Heterosexuality vs. Homosexuality,” Journal of Sex & Marital Therapy, 1984; 10:193-200)

    From these studies and many more, it is evident that homosexuals molest children at a far greater rate than do their heterosexual counterparts. While they comprise only 1-2% of the population, they are responsible for upwards of a third or more of all sexual molestations of children.”

    A study of 518 sexually-tinged mass murders in the U.S. from 1966 to 1983 determined that 350 (68%) of the victims were killed by those who practiced homosexuality and that 19 (44%) of the 43 murderers were bisexuals or homosexuals.

    “The love between men and boys is at the foundation of homosexuality. For the gay community to imply that boy-love is not homosexual love is ridiculous.”” – National Lesbian & Gay Journalist’s Association.

  • Ted Zell

    I’m sympathetic to both sides here & can see how good people could disagree. I think I’d look at Mark chapter 10 vs 11-12 where it says that a divorced person who remarries is committing the sin of adultery. Do these ministers perform 2nd marriages? If not, then they have some integrity, but if they do, they’re just Biblical cherry-picking bigots.

  • robertzaccour

    As a Christian I understand that marriage is between a man, a woman, and God. A state marriage license is something we really don’t need.

  • lylejk

    You libs promised that you would leave religious affairs out of this; well you lied as you usually do. Let’s see if the Supreme court declares the 1st Amendment unconstitutional (ie., declare the Constitution unconstitutional). 🙂

    • Gary

      The courts now view religious freedom and rights as secondary to advancing homosexuality. The Left hates God and Christians. That is why they are promoting homosexuality and trying to destroy marriage.

  • SecularGov

    To reiterate: It’s also against your religion to marry divorcees, non-virgins, people
    who wear mixed fabrics, people who eat shellfish and pork, people who
    stand next to women during their menstrual cycle. But some how these
    abominations get ignored. These scriptures are coming from the same hate
    document (bible) and the same OT. Why is it that these ministers can
    pick and choose what abominations they can want to uphold ?

  • Opus35

    This is not a case of religious freedom. This is a business, as such it must abide by laws for businesses. It has no congregation, he does know Sunday services. All it does our weddings. Just the same as any pay for weddings in Las Vegas. Laws are set up to protect the consumer, not to persecute church going person in the pew.

  • MichelofChrist

    Good for them.
    It’s about time that Christians start standing up and fighting for the faith. The homosexual agenda abuses and harasses Bible Believing Christians because they erroneously think we are passive; weak; easy targets.
    – It’s well past time to “armor up and contend for the faith,” and our “rights” concerning that “faith.”

  • Nungwa

    They’re suing why? They have not been fined by the city. No complaints have been lodged against them. Their paranoia is leading them to a nuisance suit without merit.

  • Miss Anthropy

    Officiants: Don’t want to perform same-sex marriages? Don’t charge for your services.

  • Rev Donald Spitz

    This is why Homosexuality should be criminalized. Homosexuality is a crime
    against God and against the Holy Bible. After reading this story I know why God
    wrote:

    Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of
    them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their
    blood shall be upon them.

    Romans 1:24
    Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own
    hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: :26 For this cause God
    gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural
    use into that which is against nature: :27 And likewise also the men, leaving
    the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with
    men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence
    of their error which was meet.

  • Dee

    When the government took prayer and the 10 Commandments out of the schools they gave the excuse that it was because of separation of church and state. Well, it goes both ways. The state needs to quit meddling with the church.

    • t. kerce

      The state isn’t meddling, the state granted them the religious exemption about 2 weeks before these two filed their suite, the ACLU even says they are covered. No actually gay couple has ever filed a complaint against them nor are they being sued or being threatened with any sort of legal action.

  • NiteClerk

    It would be interesting if the Knapp’s performed a ceremony for a gay couple but filled the sermon with talk about how marriage is only for man/woman and all else will burn in hell. Do you think the gays would complain about that?

    Evelyn
    Evelyn
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  • JeffNR333

    Warren Wilson with the city attorney’s office noted, “For profit wedding chapels are in a position now … ” Key point here: This is a FOR PROFIT business. Not a church.

  • Beau Hammonds

    This is all such a lie! They haven’t been sited, fined, or charged with ANY crime! This is all an attempt to create the IMPRESSION that they have been discriminated against! This isn’t a Church. They are running a BUSINESS. They knew about the anti-discrimination ordinance WELL in advance (it we passed in 2002!).
    Shame on these “Christians”! They are bald-faced LIARS!

  • t. kerce

    No one ever filed a complaint against them, they had their Religious exemption already in place, where exactly is the problem? No one is suing them, they are not in danger of jail time of any sort. The ACLU took one look at this “case” said they were covered under their, again already previously approved, religous exemption. There is no gay couple.

  • mhubb2856

    jjgrandisland
    clearly you are pro-slavery
    forcing people to work against their wills so you can feel better about yourself
    that is EXACLTY what you are proposing, using the force of government to make people obey your desire to have them preform a gay wedding
    that is slavery

  • mhubb2856

    SecularGov

    clearly the simple concept of the Old Testament (God’s attempt to get out attention) and the New Testament (where is set His Laws for us a. Love God b. Love Each Other) is foreign to you

    but that is what I expect from someone that has replaced God with Government