Vatican Astronomer Calls Young Earth Creation Beliefs ‘Almost Blasphemous’

BRISBANE, Australia – An influential Catholic astronomer who works at the Holy See’s Vatican Observatory told a news outlet last week that the literal interpretation of the Genesis creation account is ‘almost blasphemous theology.’

Guy Consolmagno is Coordinator for Public Relations at the Vatican Observatory, which is an astronomical institute operated by the Roman Catholic Church. A popular speaker and author, Consolmagno often comments on matters pertaining to religion and science.

In an interview last week with Australia’s Fairfax Media, Consolmagno forcefully disparaged the young earth, literal interpretation of the biblical creation account, comparing it to blasphemy.

“It’s almost blasphemous theology,” Consolmagno alleged, according to the Brisbane Times. “It’s certainly not the tradition of Catholicism and never has been and it misunderstands what the Bible is and it misunderstands what science is.”

The papal astronomer said he rejects the literal interpretation of Genesis and instead finds truth through “science.”

“Science is a way of getting close to creation, to really getting intimate with creation, and it’s a way of getting intimate with the creator,” he claimed. “It’s an act of worship.”

In the interview, Consolmagno said the Bible is not supposed to be science book.

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“Science goes out of date—it’s supposed to,” he insisted. “Now, if you’re turning the Bible into a science book, then you’re saying you should throw it out after three years. … The very concept of a science book didn’t exist when the Bible was written.”

According to Consolmagno, neither science nor religion is about absolute truth.

“The search for literalism, the search for absolute truth, isn’t what science is about and it’s not what religion is about,” he opined.

Consolmagno’s comments last week are not the first time he has emphatically criticized the literal interpretation of Genesis. In 2006, according to The Scotsman, he described the young earth creation position as “a kind of paganism.”

Many influential leaders of the Roman Catholic Church have endorsed evolution and disregarded the literal interpretation of Genesis. In 1950, Pope Pius XII declared that there is no intrinsic conflict between Catholicism and evolution, and, in 2007, Pope Benedict XVI stated that “there are … many scientific proofs in favor of evolution.”

However, many Christians maintain that the literal interpretation of Genesis is accurate, despite what critics claim. Brian Thomas, science writer for the Institute for Creation Research, said Consolmagno’s position—including his statement that science and religion are not about “absolute truth”—is self-contradictory.

“Wait a minute,” Thomas said in an interview with Christian News Network. “Does he mean that it’s absolutely true that science is not about the search for absolute truth? What experiment did he do to lead him to that conclusion? Likewise, does he mean for me to take as absolutely true his religious statement that religion is not about the search for absolute truth? If his science or religion has given him the truth that science or religion cannot give truth, then his statement cannot possibly be true.”

The Bible, says Thomas, offers a straightforward account of true historical events.

“Consolmagno implied that those who believe in biblical creation mistakenly use the Bible as a science text, but this misses the mark,” Thomas told Christian News Network. “The Bible supplies information about the past, so when people believe what it says, they do not pretend the Bible is a science book—they simply take its history straightforwardly. It’s about history, not science.”

Thomas then explained that science primarily deals with current phenomena—not past events.

“Empirical science directly investigates only present, repeatable phenomena, not the past,” he said. “So the real mistakes here involve pretending that science directly investigates the past—like when secularists falsely assert that light from distant stars reaches us from billions of years ago—and pretending that Scripture does not clearly convey actual history.”

One’s beliefs about the past have significant implications, according to Thomas.

“Either God really created the cosmos the way He said He did and when He said, or He did not,” he argued. “If He did not, then we should jettison Scripture. Fortunately, historical science—like young-looking spiral galaxies, fast-fuel-burning blue stars, heat-emitting Saturn, and still-icy comets—clearly confirm the Bible’s history.”


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  • Gary

    The Bible gives the historical account of the creation of the universe and life on earth. Most people don’t believe the Bible. But lots of us do. Scientists, so called, have no explanation for the existence of the universe and no clue how life began, but that does not prevent them from pretending they do, and expecting everyone to believe what they say.

    • Evolution is a fact

      Your argument would be better if you replace “Scientists” with “religious people”.

      • Shane Andrews

        Evolution is a theory not a fact. Stop trolling.

        • Evolution is a fact
          • Sam

            No it’s not a fact

          • Michael Long

            Yes it is as defined by the US National Academy of Science.

          • Iris

            Yes, and at one time doctors laughed at the idea of germs and refused to even wash their hands before surgery. When their patients usually died ,they never thought it was because they had contaminated them with germs and bacteria. Nowadays they know better. Science itself evolves with time…but wherever they happen to be at any given time is supposedly the height of glorious truth. Ridiculous.

          • urnotathinkerareu?

            you better recheck scientific paers and sources then form anbout 10 differnt fields of study..or are you an expert on all of these independent studies form the many fields that independently came to the same conclusion?…….I thought not. BTW do your own research

          • sanz31

            Evolution is a theory… it is not observable in Darwin’s lifetime LoL unless he saw a chimpanzee turned into a man.. now that is science.. hahaha

          • Evolution is a fact

            You are obviously an uneducated twit.

          • Jeff Varney

            It takes one to know one.

          • Jose

            The funny thing is that you are here making fun of everyone yet are not saying anything eloquent to prove your position. By the looks of your name you have already fallen into your own “religious” belief that is evolution. For no honest evolutionary scientist will say evolution is a “fact” but the most “reasonable” theory (according to their human knowledge of course). Then again, what is more reasonable to believe? that out of a single microscopic organism, all complex life came to be? So mainly your belief is that basically out of something simpler than a germ, it “evolved” and it came to be humans, apes, dogs, orchids, oak trees, tigers, dogs, whales, sharks, alligators, beetles… and the list goes on. and then go on to say that Christians are the blind believers of religion…Let me tell you what we believe and hopefully you will use some reasoning to see what then is more “reasonable”. We believe in a sovereign God, creator of all things who made everything “In it’s Kind” (Gen 1:25) “God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.”
            Meaning he made all living organisms separately, a KIND of dog, a KIND of cat, etc. Does this mean that the animals couldn’t have evolved to their terrain through time? of course they could! that’s the nature of survival. The error is when “scientists” then take these imprints or fossils or whatever other proof they find of an animal “evolving” to then stretch it out and say, we evolved from nothing… that their is your religion sir.

          • Evolution is a fact

            Whatever anyone thinks is more “reasonable” is irrelevant. What matters is, what does the evidence tell us? All evidence points to the fact of evolution and if you actually understand what evolution is, you would see that. Also, evolution makes no claims as to the origin of life on this planet, it only describes the diversity. Again, learn what evolution actually is before you dismiss it.

          • Jose

            And there you go again not making intelligent points. Rationality is one of the most important tools scientists use to understand the so called “evidence” you speak of. So you saying it’s “irrelevant” really now makes me understand why you are so glued on to this position. You’re not using one of the most fundamental things humans have that set us apart from the ape you say you come from, REASON. You’re really just a blind sheep, blindly following anything the latest scientist spits out to you (again the worst form of religion) and a bad one at that because you dont even seem to understand how far evolutionary scientist are claiming this to be. They actually do claim that out of nothing came something and that from one single cell organism, everything came to be…I guess you should really learn what you are desperately are trying to defend before you try to make claims for it.

          • Evolution is a fact

            I follow facts and evidence. What do you follow? Oh right, a 2000 year old fairy tale.

          • Jose

            Haha good day sir, you just sound desperate now

          • Evolution is a fact

            Projection much?

          • jmichael39

            At this point I both agree and disagree with EVO… The problem with broad statements like “Evolution is a fact” or “Evolution is a theory” is that it is both. Generally speaking, microevolution has been observed and there is little dispute about it. But just as much as microevolution is fact, macroevolutionary theories have not been substantively proven. They are still purely theoretical. In fact, there are two primary schools of thought within the evolutionists school to try explain WHY there is no real evidence for macroevolution.

            Its at this level, of course, that we have the conflict between evolution and ID. Fun reading.

          • Sam

            Jesus is real whether you believe or not.

          • Dan Ortiz

            I was enjoying your comments until this one. Just shows how ignorant you are.

          • Evolution is a fact

            What exactly am I ignorant of?

          • Dan Ortiz

            History, hermeneutics, social sciences, scholarship for one. You probably think evolution disproves the bible.

          • Evolution is a fact

            I think evolution has nothing to do with the bible. What makes you sure that I am ignorant of all the things you mentioned, when you have no evidence for it? Nice job proving my point.

          • Dan Ortiz

            Your comment is quite ignorant… that is what… If you weren’t ignorant of the subject you wouldn’t be making such a statement.
            although yes, evolution has nothing to do with the Bible.

          • urnotathinkerareu?

            keep talking Obie Wan…you are proving how stupid and science illiterate you really are with every word.
            P.S. You are losing this arguement very badly…carry on.

          • Dan Ortiz

            Feeling better now? you know after your public self soothing…

          • urnotathinkerareu?

            what???…lmao…

          • RealityBetraysUs

            People who believe in evolution have a hard time coming up with a coherent explanation of how a complex animal can have internal organs that require paralled changes through time to develope complexity organs such as the eye, the brain and other seperate but dependent organs that require they develope their design in parallel with other parts all changing and evolving together this is impossible because the evolutionists do not believe in a unified and total control designer working outside the organisim to develope it’s complex mechanisms that can not evolve the way they require them to do. In other words evolution by mere chance to create change can only do small modifications not whole scale large design changes which is what complex creatures like man would require to come up with the complexity we see today all in one creature but with seperately designed and independent systems. Ultimate reality without a designer the most that random chance can produce is nothing more complex than a one cell animal. And some argue even that is strecthing mathmatical probalitity because each change requires mutlitplying the odds again and making the possibility of it occurring beyond what is countable without a modern computer, but no designer allowed so where is evolution going to get a computer the figure out workable combinations?

          • Disqusdmnj

            No, actually we don’t.

            http://www.hulu.com/browse/picks/2320

          • RealityBetraysUs

            Macro evolution may be fact small changes to an organism, but this can not prove evolution because micro-evolution is reguired to make changes that can fundamentally change one genus or species into another and there has never been any proof of this occurring without tampering by mad scientists. Evolution is dead in the water without mankind tampering with the gene pool. There is no self mutating or evolving organisms that can do this and meet the definition of change from one kind into another kind without man’s interference or God’s .

          • urnotathinkerareu?

            you have no clue about evolution do you? There is no macro or micro evolution…it is all evolution with some connceting fossils and geologocal and archaelogical and many other fields of study that point to the same thing….in that evolution is a fcat…because we are missing some bricks does it mean the Great Wall didnt exoist either?

          • RealityBetraysUs

            a circular argument is still a circular argument with no facts to base it on. Where’sthe proof of the geological record when everything is all jumbled up by the world wide flood? Oh it is in the science of evolution, but where is the proof of evolution? Oh we have no proven changes from one species to the next but we expect the naive public to believe us when we say it is in the ” fossil record” All lies backed up by no proof only religious “‘assumption”! Funny how people who don’t believe in God are always asking you to sign up for their fake religion of “evolution” backed up only by faith and no evidence that is not circular or based on itself. Why is this true because I said it, but where is the proof? In the bogus fossils which have never been found and do not exist! But that is not science it is religion asking me to believe in something without evidence! Welcome to the bogus religion of “evolution”!

          • RealityBetraysUs

            you are missing the whole foundation and the fossils are upside down in the layers deposited so your whole theory falls apart. There is more evidence against evolution than for it when you look for facts!

          • Disqusdmnj

            Why bother… their “evidence” is just another bible passage, proffered as fact.

          • Demopublicrat

            Evolution has no evidence, it has to be taken on faith.

          • Evolution is a fact

            Oh, okay.

          • Demopublicrat

            Not evidence, sorry. I have nothing against science, evolution isn’t science, it’s religion.

          • Evolution is a fact

            Your comment shows your ignorance of evolution. There is overwhelming evidence for it and it’s NOT a religion. A religion requires faith, evolution does not.

          • Demopublicrat

            Your comment shows ignorance of reality, evolution is based on faith and is most certainly an unproven religion.

          • Evolution is a fact

            Ok, how do you explain the diversity of life on this planet?

          • Demopublicrat

            Not with evolution.

          • Evolution is a fact

            So you don’t know, but you do know that it’s not evolution. Got it.

          • Demopublicrat

            You catch on quick. Evolution is your religion not mine.

          • urnotathinkerareu?

            its not a religion. Any high school science student knows and understands that. You are really scientific illitereate,,,sorry..but THATS a fact.

          • urnotathinkerareu?

            and you avoided every question so smoothly didnt you..your a dip stick and anyone with HALF a brain has seen that in every one pf your posts…sorry ..thats just a fact…as plain as evolution. ..lol….

          • Evolution is a fact

            Your comment shows your ignorance of evolution. There is overwhelming evidence for it and it’s NOT a religion. A religion requires faith, evolution does not.

          • urnotathinkerareu?

            of course evolution is more likely than ‘god” done it. It offers an explanation…you complain out of a singke cell but acceot the god done it out of NOTHING concept….because thats all it is..a concept. At lease we have SOME evidence for evolution as opposed to the god done it fantasy…which has ZERO evidence.

          • urnotathinkerareu?

            I think you have somehow mind fkd yourself with all your jargon…you best start from scratch and go to the very very beginning.

          • Michael Long

            A chimpanzee turning into a man is not how evolution works. That would disprove evolution and yes evolution is both Theory and Fact, Theory is better than fact in science.

          • StewartAC

            actually we watch evolution regularly within single-celled organisms. simplified evolution, but evolution none the less. there are also a plethora of studies on the evolution of a number of species that can take place within a human life.
            just sayin’

      • Jack Rohde

        Evolution is a fraud, there are no in between half breed fossils of any animal or man ever, anything that was destroyed in the flood stayed destroyed, it is exteinct.

        • Evolution is a fact

          Congratulations, you win the “Dumbest Comment of the Day” award!

          • Bolvon72

            And on this site, that’s saying something.

          • Webster

            Where do you think science came from?

            It developed in Christian Europe not despite sincere religious beliefs but *because* of them. For science to work, a number of conditions must hold: some require Biblical creation to be true, and some require it to be believed.

            For example, the Universe must behave consistently. There is no a priori reason to expect an evolutionary universe to do so. In fact, we would expect it to evolve over time, and probably differently in different places! Also, the Universe must obey laws our minds are suited to understand: this follows from creation since God upholds the universe Himself and created us in His own image. I don’t see how one could make the case seriously that the same adaptations that led our supposed ancestors out of the seas and later out of the trees would just happen to be the same ones needed to be able to unravel the mysteries of how the universe operates.

            Secondly, science requires willingness to give it a try. A belief in unguided evolution provides no basis for believing that there is an underlying order to everything. Polytheism can never be sure one God won’t try to overrule another, so again there’s little reason to believe in a consistent order. Pantheists could view

      • Alan Muxlow

        Evolutionary scientists ARE religious people. Their religion is Humanism. Darwinian Evolution is too plastic a concept to be considered science. Today’s Darwinism looks nothing like Darwin’s Darwinism. The only common concept is Naturalistic Materialism. Natural processes cannot account for the beginning of life and there is no natural mechanism that can account for the terabytes of information in the DNA of each kind of animal and plant on earth.
        Evolution is like a Ferrari with no engine. It’s got bells and whistles, but no power. Evolution simply can’t do what you need it to do to be true.

      • Demopublicrat

        The scientists who believe in evolution ARE religious people – evolution is a religion.

        • urnotathinkerareu?

          wrong again…84% of our most high level scientists dont beleive in creationism…FACT.

    • urnotathinkerareu?

      HISTORICAL account???….hahahahahaha…sure chump sure.

  • John AC Forster

    The problem as I see it, is that most Christians do not know that the creation account in the first book of the scriptures, is a re-creation, and not the original creation. The earth is indeed, billions of years old. It was at one time the home of the angels before Satan was found to have sinned by desiring to overthrow Yahweh from His throne in the third heaven.

    Satan did act upon his sinful thoughts and attacked and a great war ensued. During this war the earth was ruined. Yahweh left evidence of this on the surface of the moon. Yahweh then with Yahshua, re-created the surface of the earth and also re-created the birds, fish, and all life. He then made man on the sixth day. So what Christians take for a creation was in fact a re-creation. The first time the earth was created all the angels shouted for joy.

    Job 38:3 Now gird up your loins like a man, for I will question you; and you teach Me.
    Job 38:4 Where were you when I founded the earth? Declare if you know understanding.
    Job 38:5 Who has set its dimensions, for you know? Or who has stretched a line on it?
    Job 38:6 On what were its bases sunk? Or who cast its cornerstone,
    Job 38:7 when the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of Elohim shouted for joy?

    So once one understands what happened, the scientists and believers are both right to an extent.

    • Reason2012

      Nowhere in the Bible does it say God re-created the Earth in the beginning before creating Adam and Eve. Please cite any such verses, instead of citing God saying to Job’s friends that they do not know what He is doing.

      All dating methods proven to be a farce, based completely on assumptions and verified to give utterly false dates of everything we can verify:

      http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/nab/does-radiometric-dating-prove

      “Mount Ngauruhoe is located on the North Island of New Zealand and is one of the country’s most active volcanoes. Eleven samples were taken from solidified lava and dated. These rocks are known to have formed from eruptions in 1949, 1954, and 1975. The rock samples were sent to a respected commercial laboratory (Geochron Laboratories in Cambridge, Massachusetts). The “ages” of the rocks ranged from 0.27 to 3.5 million years old.5 Because these rocks are known to be less than 70 years old, it is apparent that assumption #1 is again false. When radioisotope dating fails to give accurate dates on rocks of known age, why should we trust it for rocks of unknown age? In each case the ages of the rocks were greatly inflated.”

      Those ranges were given by cross checking all dating methods – they didn’t just use one dating method. As anyone will tell you, scientists know to cross-check results of any dating method with other methods and henced they came up with dates of rocks that were merely a few decades old of up to 3 MILLION years in spite of all their standard cross-checking.

      It’s similar to fossils “dated” millions of years old (different dating methods than for rocks), but then having red blood cells and soft tissue found in them, proving they can’t be more than thousands of years old. What do evolutionists do? Ignore the scientific fact that red blood cells and soft tissue would never survive millions of years and pretend they now do.

      Even original animal proteins found in fossils proves they can’t be hundreds of millions of years old, but instead only thousands. What do evolutionists do? Dismiss more observable, scientific fact and pretend such facts are no longer true: that soft tissue and red blood cells can now last countless millions of years.

      http://creation.com/original-animal-protein-fossils

      http://creation.com/templeton-confounded-by-lyell

      “For example, 10-year-old rocks from Mount St Helen’s were dated from 390,000 to 2.7 million years old, and rocks from the ad 1800 lava flow in Hawaii returned dates of 160 million to 3 billion years”

      Behold the anti-science deception of evolutionism – they’re not in a hurry to publish this information but they are certainly keen on censoring it and ignoring it while professing Christians continue to claim God’s Word is a lie.

      • John AC Forster

        It will come as news to most readers that angels were created
        before the earth and the physical universe were brought into
        existence. Job 38:1-7 shows the angels shouted for joy when God first
        created the earth. It is stated in both Genesis 1 and 2 that the
        earth was created at the same time as the entire physical universe.

        Genesis 1:1: “In the beginning [of the physical universe] God
        created the heavens and the earth.” These are material and physical.

        As previously stated, in the Authorized Version will be found
        the word heaven in the singular. But this originally was written by
        Moses in Hebrew. And in the Hebrew the word is in the
        plural–heavens–thus including not only our earth, but the entire
        material UNIVERSE.

        It is therefore indicated that at that time–after the creation of
        angels–the entire universe was brought into existence at the same
        time as the creation of our earth. I find strong indication of this
        in other biblical internal evidence, and also it is definitely stated
        in Genesis 2:4.

        The Perfect Creation

        The original Hebrew words (the words written by Moses) imply a
        perfect creation. God reveals himself as Creator of perfection, light
        and beauty. Every reference in the Bible describes the condition of
        any completed phase of God’s creation as “very good”–perfect.

        This first verse of the Bible actually speaks of the original
        PHYSICAL creation in its entirety–the universe–including the earth,
        perhaps millions of years ago–as a perfect creation, beautiful and
        perfect as far as its creation was a finished, completed work. God is
        a perfectionist!

        In Job 38:4, 7, God is speaking specifically of the creation of
        this earth. He said all the angels (created “sons of God”) shouted
        for joy at the creation of the earth. This reveals that angels were
        created before the creation of the earth–and probably before the
        material universe. The suns, planets and astral bodies are material
        substance.

        Angels are individually created spirit beings, composed solely of spirit.

        It will come as a surprise to many to learn that angels
        inhabited this earth BEFORE the creation of man. This passage from
        Job implies it.

        Angels on Earth Sinned

        Other passages place angels on earth prior to man.

        Notice II Pet. 2:4-6. First in time order “angels that
        sinned.” Next in time sequence, the antediluvian world beginning with
        Adam, carrying through to the Flood. After that, Sodom and Gomorrah.

        Angels inhabited this earth before the creation of man.

        It is revealed in Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28, that God placed the
        archangel Lucifer, a cherub, on a throne on the earth. He was placed
        there as a ruler over the entire earth. God intended him to rule the
        earth by administering the government of God over the earth. And the government of God was administered on earth until the rebellion of the sinning angels.

        How long these angels inhabited the earth before the creation of
        man is not revealed. It might have been millions–or even
        billions–of years. More on that later. But these angels sinned. Sin is
        the transgression of God’s law (I John 3:4). …

        By this angelic sin, Lucifer became Satan the devil and his angels became demons.

        God is Creator, Preserver and Ruler.

        Satan is destroyer!

        So, now we read in Jude 6-7: “And the angels which kept not
        their first estate, but left their own habitation, he hath reserved
        in everlasting chains under darkness unto the judgment of the great day.
        Even as Sodom and Gomorrha, and the cities about them in like
        manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after
        strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance
        of eternal fire.”

        Now back to Genesis 1:1-2. Verse 1, as stated above, implies a
        perfect creation. God is the author of life, of beauty, of perfection.
        Satan has brought only darkness, ugliness, imperfection, violence.
        Verse 1 shows the creation of a perfect, if unfinished earth,
        glorious and beautiful. Verse 2 reveals the result of the sin of the
        angels.

        “And the earth was [became] without form, and void.” The words
        “without form, and void” are translated from the Hebrew tohu and
        bohu. A better translation is “waste and empty” or “chaotic, in
        confusion and in a state of decay.” The word was is elsewhere in
        Genesis also translated became, as in Genesis 19:26. In other words,
        the earth, originally created perfect and beautiful, had now become
        chaotic, waste and empty, like our moon, except earth’s surface was
        covered with water.

        David was inspired to reveal how God renewed the face of the
        earth: “Thou sendest forth thy spirit, they are created: and thou
        renewest the face of the earth” (Ps. 104:30).

        Yahweh RENEWED the face of the earth.

        • Reason2012

          “It will come as news to most readers that angels were created before the earth”

          Not at all – most Christians that read the Bible know angels existed before the Earth did. But that doesn’t mean God created the Earth before the angels and hence RE-created the Earth for Adam and Eve, which is what you stated that I point out is stated nowhere in the Bible.

          “This first verse of the Bible actually speaks of the original PHYSICAL creation in its entirety–the universe–including the earth,perhaps millions of years ago–”

          No need to wonder “perhaps” – God created Adam and Eve “at the beginning” of creation – and we can know starting with Adam and Eve that merely thousands of years have gone by, 10,000 at most.

          “It will come as a surprise to many to learn that angels inhabited this earth BEFORE the creation of man. This passage from Job implies it.”

          Wrong. The passage only says angels rejoiced – it doesn’t say what you’ve implied: that they rejoiced ON EARTH.

          “Angels on Earth Sinned”

          Wrong. Nowhere does it say angels were on Earth when they sinned. That’s an idea of your making.

          “Other passages place angels on earth prior to man. Notice II Pet. 2:4-6. First in time order “angels that sinned.””

          Wrong. Those verses place angels only EXISTING before man – not on EARTH before man. You haven’t shown a single verse that says angels were on Earth before man and that the Earth was re-created.

          So until anyone shows such verses, the imply they were on the Earth is just that, anti-biblical implications.

    • Ariel Britton

      John AV Forster, why would God contradict himself? Revelation 21:1 states And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea. Why would John call this the first heaven and the first earth if God had already made and destroyed the original? This would be the second then. Hebrews 1:14 states that Are not all angels ministering spirits sent to serve those who will inherit salvation? God created the angels for man, not alone, or before time, because then you have the scriptures of Lucifers fall, Ezekiel 28:12 (KJV)

      “Son of man, take up a lamentation upon the king of Tyrus, and say unto him, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty.”
      13 Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering . . . the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created.
      14 Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.”

      This is not an earthly king, as the word “cherub” is only used in references to angels.
      15 “Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the DAY that thou wast CREATED, till iniquity was found in thee.”

      You cant have the fall of satan before the beginning of the world because in the beginning is when God made time, space and matter. And In the beginning God did lay the foundations of the earth so the Angels were indeed created on the 1st day when “The sons of God shouted for joy” as you quoted. God is not a God of confusion or contradictions, he makes plain what he states so that all man can understand if he searches for the truth! Don’t be decieved in believeing something other then what the bible teaches.

      • G.P.Donald

        It must be set, as a foundation of granite, in our minds that the Word of God, when studied with integrity and purposeful desire to know and please God, interprets itself by connecting itself together from Genesis to Revelation. Precept upon precept as scripture states. Therefore, we must look for the entirety of scripture to be in union and not one or even a couple of verses.

        To be plain, John Forster is correct in stating that the actual Earth itself is older than mankind’s history upon it.

        (Side note: As to John’s statements about Earth being the home of the angels in the past age is not clear from the Word. We know that the devil had a throne and authority from God but its not certain that the angels lived on Earth. Also, the war that he speaks of I believe he gets from Revelation 12 and mistakenly thinking that it is referring to the past. However, when you look at the context, the scripture says that after Michael and his angels fight and beat the devil, there was no longer a place for the devil and his angels in the heavens and they will be cast to Earth, essentially locked here. That is why is says woe to the inhabitants of the Earth because the devil has gone down to you in great anger. That has obviously not happened yet. He still has access to the heavens in some manner though not as he once did.

        Continuing, God preserved evidence in fossils from the previous world as a witness to a destruction that occurred. Genesis 1:1 states that in the beginning God created the heavens and the Earth — This was the initial, something out of nothing, creation (which is by true definition what the word create means, to bring something out of nothing. Therefore, God is the only one who can create anything unless He give that ability and power to another. Everything else that is ever constructed is either made or formed out of what God has already created)

        Genisis 1:2 says that the Earth was without form and void, and darkness covered the face of the deep. Without form and void is the hebrew “tohu va bohu” which holds in its meaning wasted, formless, and confusion. Jeremiah 4:23 23 says I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void (tohu va bohu); and the heavens, and they had no light.

        This is an example of the Word interpreting itself..connecting to itself to give further light on the truth. Isaiah 45:18 says For thus saith the LORD that created the heavens;
        God himself that formed the earth and made it; he hath established it,
        he created it not in vain (tohu), he formed it to be inhabited: I am the LORD;
        and there is none else.

        This is another dot connected if you will to shed more light. I could connect the dots here but you can study it more for yourself. However, as we study and build our understanding we begin to see how in Job it says the angels shouted for joy at the initial creation. In Peter, it speaks of how the first heavens and earth standing in water and out of water perished, how the second earth is preserved unto the day of judgement by fire, and how a new heavens and earth is coming.

        So, God does not contradict himself in Revelation. This is technically and functionally still the first Earth that He created. We currently live on the one the He refashioned for mankind. We know this because, by the Word interpreting itself, Genesis 1:2 should read became instead of was — that is why in the bible you will see was italicized showing that the translators added the word. They put the wrong translation down. It should read, “the Earth became without form and void (formless and wasted).”

        The Word tells us that the devils sinned and the angels who followed his lies were the reason for the destruction. So when God steps forth and says let there be light, days before the sun and the moon and stars were regenerated, He was beginning the work of putting things back in order. We know that God does not create anything without purpose, perfection, glory — so He did not create the Earth void of those things and in vain. In Genesis 1:1 is the literal beginning as you well stated. Between 1:1 and 1:2 is time that passes that we have no knowledge of its duration because God doesn’t tell us. He just tells us the synopsis of what happened and then picks up in Genesis 1:3 with His work to prepare a place for mankind.

        Yes, the Earth itself is older than 6000 or so years but the Word of the Lord is to be taken literally in Genesis as well. god did restore the Earth in six literal days, its culmination being mankind and God resting on the seventh day. Both are correct and the new Heavens and Earth will not be another restoration but a new creation. This current one will be dissolved and wiped away by the fire of the Lord so that all remnants of sin, decay, evil and its effects are forever cleansed from creation for good.

        Perhaps this helps

    • Michael Baird

      What bible are you reading from. It must be man’s son word bible?

  • Reason2012

    An influential Catholic astronomer who works at the Holy See’s Vatican Observatory told a news outlet last week that the literal interpretation of the Genesis creation account is ‘almost blasphemous theology.’

    Yes, there have always been people who pretend the Bible is not to be taken literally to promote their version of sin as being fine with God.

    It was satan’s first attack on God’s Word “Did God really say…” or now “Did God really mean it literally?..”

    Genesis 3:1 “Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said…?”

    Mr. Consolmagno, Jesus said God made Adam and Eve at the beginning. Was Jesus lying? He didn’t say He created man after the image of monkeys and fish at the end of creation after billions of years of suffering and death that had nothing to do with sin.

    • Jack Rohde

      Great point, I think the Catholic Church or Temple of Janus is a fraud, I know for a fact satanic priests from the los angles area go there for blessings and advice on advanced witchcraft theorys.

      • urnotathinkerareu?

        you would have to be there to know that wouldnt you? Thats the only way one could say he knew something like that for a FACT…lmao

  • Reason2012

    To all those who claim to be Christians (i.e., have the indwelling Holy Spirit, which leads us to all truth), if you really are a born again believer with the indwelling Holy Spirit, you cannot believe in the mythological_frog to_man story of evolution. Here’s why.

    (1) Jesus himself says God did what He said He did: creating Adam and Eve, male and female, in the beginning.

    Mark 10:6 “[Jesus said] But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female.”

    Matthew 19:4-5 “And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female, 5 And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?”

    So as a Christian you’d be calling Jesus Christ / God a liar.

    (2) There was no suffering and death until man sinned.

    Romans 5:12 “Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:”

    Genesis 3:19 “In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.”

    Genesis 3:17-18 “And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life; 18 Thorns also and thistles shall it bring forth to thee; and thou shalt eat the herb of the field;”

    So again, Christians that believe in the_frog to man story of evolution are in effect calling God a liar, teaching instead an anti-God gospel of God creating a world of suffering and death through no fault of mankind.

    (3) When Christ returns, He will ultimately restore the Earth to what it was before the fall. If we live in a world of suffering and death created that way from the start by God, what is there to restore the Earth to? Again, preaching an anti-God gospel, making God a liar.

    (4) Since Jesus Himself pointed to God creating Adam and Eve, let alone at the beginning, not at the end after billions of years went by, such “fish to man evolutionists” claiming to be Christians really seem to be ashamed in Jesus saying that God did in fact create Adam and Eve. How’s it going to work that anyone is ashamed of the words of Christ?

    Mark 8:36-38 “For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? 37 Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? 38 Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.”

    Luke 9:25-26 “For what is a man advantaged, if he gain the whole world, and lose himself, or be cast away? 26 For whosoever shall be ashamed of me and of my words, of him shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he shall come in his own glory, and in his Father’s, and of the holy angels.”

    Consider: many will be doing works in the name of Jesus Christ, NOT denying He did what He said He did and yet Jesus told us they’d still be cast into hell:

    Matthew 7:22-23 “Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

    What chance do people have who deny the very words of Jesus Christ / God?

    (5) Many who reject parts of God’s Word often say they do believe the Ten Commandments. Yet look at what the Ten Commandments indicate:

    Exodus 20:8-11 “Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: 10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: 11 For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.”

    So are we going to now dismiss the Ten Commandments too?

    (6) So is God’s Word a lie which tells us many times God created in six days?

    Exodus 31:17 “It is a sign between me and the children of Israel for ever: for in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and was refreshed.”

    (7) Jesus Christ made all things. Is Jesus Christ now a liar as well?

    John 1:1-3 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.”

    John 1:14-15 “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth. 15 John bare witness of him, and cried, saying, This was he of whom I spake, He that cometh after me is preferred before me: for he was before me.”

    (8) Want to talk about actual science: what IS observable and IS able to be shown in repeatable test cases (i.e. this is scientific FACT) is that it’s physically impossible for a person who has been dead for hours, let alone days, to come back to life.

    That is scientific fact. Observable. Repeatable.

    So, do we now believe God DIDN’T do what He told us He did and raise Christ from the dead and raise others from the dead because science in this case actually DOES contradict something God / Jesus Christ did?!

    Of course we believe God.

    Then why are we being hypocritical and denying what Christ and God said He did *in the name of a made up mythological_belief (really a lie) that is not even science*?!!

    That contradictory behavior alone should wake us up to the truth that we are believing a lie: the fish to man mythological story of evolution.if we are a professing Christian and yet believe in the fish to man mythological story of evolution (which is NOT science, as proven above), it’s possible we are not yet a born again believer in God with the indwelling Holy Spirit which guides us to all truth. (Not guiding us to the lie that God’s Word can’t be trusted and_frogs of old are our ancestors). We are instead believing a lie, calling Jesus Christ a liar, ashamed of His Words, calling the Word of God a lie where people will now have to individually pick what they claim is God’s Word.

    Think twice – the_mythological belief of_frog to_man evolution is deceiving many.

    1 Corinthians 1:27-29 “But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty; (28) And base things of the world, and things which are despised, hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to nought things that are: (29) That no flesh should glory in his presence.”

    I would think again. It’s God we’ll have to convince His Word was a lie and that we taught others this. Evolutionism is the main reason people are deceived into thinking there is no God.

    May God / Jesus Christ be glorified!

    • G.P.Donald

      I agree with much you stated brother or sister. I think that it is perfect the way God described the world that we are in currently — a wilderness He calls it. A far cry from the garden He purposed for us. In a wilderness is all forms of misaligned paths and detours, dangers, lack of clarity and booming with confusion, lack of proper resources, illusions and delusions abound. God says that the devil made this Earth, by way of our sin, a wilderness and as such lies like evolution, the dead are alive, you can be gods, abound and flourish so mightily that even those of us who would be in Christ can be deceived. I do not wish to speak arrogantly or to elevate myself because I know that if I drop my guard and step out of Christ I will lose every time (as I have done in my weakness so many times) and I would be susceptible to believing, as truth, one of the myriad of lies that the devil has spewn into this world because I know that I am weak in and of myself.

      May God keep you and me and all of the family guarded and secure by His Love and awesome might!!

      • Reason2012

        Amen! May God Bless!

    • BarkingDawg

      Who did Afam and Eve ‘a children have sexual relations with?

      • Reason2012

        Hello. They lived for 930 years – that’s a ton of children. DNA was pure with the first humans, so of course they had to marry in relations. Later with the fall as DNA became corrupted, laws about incest were instituted.

        In your world view, who did the first organism that had male genetalia have sexual relations with? Another organism that ‘evolved’ female genetalia at the exact same time by chance?

        And even if that improbability happened, what did their offspring have sexual relations with? Same “problem” even in your belief system, except in your belief system, DNA is quite corrupted and incest is a very real health problem.

        We are without excuse when we face God.

      • Iris

        Adam and Eve lived hundreds of years and had many children . They married each other of course. There was no reason not to intermarry since there were no genetic diseases or abnormalities. God is the one who decreed against the practice, but it was not until after Noah’s flood.

        • BarkingDawg

          So “incest is best,” is that the official Christian doctrine?

        • BarkingDawg

          Eve must have had ovaries the size of watermelons.

  • anon

    I’ll tell you what’s blasphemous. This guy and the current pope.

    • Evolution is a fact

      I”l tell you what’s blasphemous. Nothing!

      • anon

        And so is your evolution crap

        • Evolution is a fact

          Why do you reject evolution?

          • Reinhold Von Kirschmann

            Because a fictitious book says it’s so. The bible I mean.

          • RealityBetraysUs

            if you think the bible is ficticious you could look at historical evidence such as Josh McDowells Book Evidence that demands a verdict, even with 300 pages of comparitive historical evidence this is not as mind blowing as new evidence that they are discovering such as bible codes buried in the bible texts describing modern day events and even providing names and places as evidence in a book that was written thousands of years ago 44 authours over 66 generations yet acurately predicting modern day events, mathmatical chance of these happenings is impossible without God or a supercomputer that could predict the future. Do your homework before you try to dismiss the bible and likewise before you dismiss Jesus Christ who will one day judge all of us and decide our eternal destination heaven or hell.

          • Stephen M. Zumbo

            How do you know the Bible is fictitious? Were you there in the beginning, so you can accurately call God a liar? (He was the only Person who saw the Creation, though He may have described it to Adam, or Moses, for them to pass on to family, descendants, and to eventually write down). Have you ever considered that the creation and flood accounts from cultures worldwide might actually be evidence of the Bible’s accurate accounts, but corrupted by descendents of Noah’s family scattered over the Earth after the Flood and by the tribes created by God’s confusion of language at the Tower of Babel?

          • Caleb

            I’ve never seen evolution. I’ve seen lots of creation. So it makes more sense.

          • BarkingDawg

            that makes no sense. You claim that you were around when God created the world?

          • Caleb

            No. But I have seen things created. Like my cell phone. My shirt. I went to a factory where they make candy and saw them created. I worked at a shop that made beds. All things are created, none of them just evolve without intelligent design. It sounds like you don’t believe this but I see no reason to doubt it. Why do you doubt it?

          • BarkingDawg

            Your argument is nonsensical.

          • Caleb

            You don’t understand creation? You just created a sentence using intelligent design. This isn’t very complicated so I’m not sure what you’re missing. All things are created by intelligent design. It’s just how it works.
            Now, instead of a non-response, give an example of something you’ve seen created without intelligent design. I know you won’t because such a thing doesn’t exist. Instead you will mutter some non-sense like “your argument is nonsensical.”

          • Stephen M. Zumbo

            Except God created the universe in a way that human creators do not and cannot: out of nothing. Actually, strictly, humans do not create, they MAKE things out of other pre-existing things.

          • Caleb

            I think we’re arguing semantics. I would say it is still creation, just not ex nihilo. My argument is that all creation comes only from intelligence. That makes the theory of evolution false and I don’t think it’s even debatable.

          • RealityBetraysUs

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z96Rp_hnsZQ

            Chuck Missler Challenges evolutioin with Simple Science

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHeSaUq-Hl8

            David Berlinski – Evolution destroyed in under 5 minutes

          • Evolution is a fact
  • Jeffery Kinkead

    The great apostasy continues to deceive ungodly people.

  • Michael Baird

    We’ll, I think most Catholic leaders would be quite interested to learn that they do not agree in what the bible is saying is literal true. To me I think that Mr. Consolmagno is a blasphemous person. But I have to understand that he has been brainwash though many Science books and Atheist Professors that teach evolution, so what do you expect from a secular astronomer. The problem I have is why he is still working for the Vatican Observatory unless he is connected to someone special at the Vatican.

  • Susan Moore

    Blasphemous is the Catholic Church Mr. Consolmagno. And practices paganism with kissing a vial of blood etc…….

    • BarkingDawg

      Good, good. Let the hate flow through you.

      • Iris

        I think you started it with your “monumentally stupid” comment

        • BarkingDawg

          Good, I can feel your anger. I am defenseless. Take your weapon. Strike me down with all of your hatred and your journey towards the dark side will be complete!

          • Iris

            my my, my, a regular drama hound. I don’t think anyone here takes you seriously enough to be actually angry with you.

          • BarkingDawg

            If you will not be turned, you will be destroyed! Young fool. Only now, at the end, do you understand. Your feeble skills are no match for the power of the dark side! You have paid the price for your lack of vision!

  • Jim Cortez

    Your and idiot… your very brain is totally blasphemous fool….. and you an astronomer working at the vatican??? ahhhhhh,,,, that explains it,,,,, any alter boys around ?????

  • Michael Baird

    I think, I need to add one more detail about Mr. Consolmagno views on creationist. It does not take a brain to figure out how old the earth is ? If you use the Bible has a history book instead of a Science Book. Now think Mr. Consolmagno, if you believe in the six days of creation , yes I know in the bible it states seven days but the seventh day God rested. Now, do I need to explain the young creationist views on the six days. Maybe, I should it seems you are not to bright. Four facts you need to understand in each day of creation. Morning, evening, number, and of coarse Yom which is Hebrew for day. Now, read the bible and tell me how many times that it uses the word yom in it and then explain to me why the six days of creation is any different. Yes! I know yom can mean different meanings too. I understand that. But do you understand that if God wanted you to know that between day one and day two there were a billion years that he would have told you that. Read it again if you still don’t understand it. Yea! Day one but I think I will wait a billion years to create day two. That makes a lot of since. My opinion, you probably believe that dinosaurs turn into birds.

    • Evolution is a fact

      Birds ARE dinosaurs.

      • sanz31

        Dinosaurs ARE Man!

  • NiteClerk

    For those of you who believe the Bible is the literal word of God and are questioning the Catholic faith I have two questions. First of all, which Bible? The Catholic Bible that was assembled in 325 AD or the one that Martin Luther altered in the 1600’s? (Also how does that fit in with …”and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his part from the tree of life and from the holy city, which are written in this book….)?

    Next: If you are going to use a literal interpretation of the Bible, how about “…”I am the true vine, and My Father is the vinedresser….”? Jesus is a vine? That is what he literally said. Remember, no allegories allowed. We need the literal interpretation.

    Seriously, I am not trying to start a big theological argument here. But this is how some Catholics look at the Protestant Bible.

    • Aaron

      And yet, the Catholics take communion ultra-literally. “This is my body, which is for you…” Context is key. We don’t believe in no allegory, but we read the Bible in context. Genesis was written as historical narrative, and should be read as such.

    • Iris

      Believing the Bible is literally true does not leave out room for poetry or allegory or any of a number of other verbal tools used to present a truth. Now, seriously, you do know that Jesus was painting a picture in the minds of his audience, right? Haven’t you ever done that or seen it done by a teacher to make a principle clear? Such teaching methods used one on one do not affect literal interpretation of Scripture.

    • Timothy

      First, there isn’t one “Protestant” Bible. Different denominations of Christianity have adopted different translations, as have individuals, that do not all tie to the same translation. However, these translations can be traced to original language manuscripts of Greek and Hebrew writings. For example, Luther used what has become known as the Textus Receptus for the New Testament translation he performed. Similarly, other translators have used this in order to translate distinct translations (Tyndale, KJV, etc.) with the same message deriving from these original language texts and not the translations of contemporaries.

      Second, the passage quoted about taking away words from this book is Revelation 22:19. While Revelation is at the end of the Bible as compiled by previous Christians, this passage does not necessary refer to the entirety of scripture as much as it does to Revelation. Keep in mind that when John wrote the book of Revelation, the Bible as we have it today was not yet compiled.

      Third, it is not that allegories were not used in scripture, even Nathan uses one when he confronts David about Bathsheba, but that the context of the passage must be taken into account. Genesis 1 lists the days of Creation, not only saying day 1, day 2, …, but also stating, “And there was morning and there was evening, the ____ day.” The Genesis account gives a specific passage of time, maybe not in hours or minutes, but in days. Additionally, Exodus 20:8 states, “For in six days the Lord made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, but he rested on the seventh day.” This is the entire setup for how the Israelites should treat the week, listed in the Moral Laws given to the Israelite community. While the definition of the Hebrew word can refer to indefinite time periods, the context of the passages suggest that the work refers to six literal days of Creation.

      • Caleb

        Good answer. But trust me, NiteClerk couldn’t care less. He knows the difference between literal and figurative language. And there is no version of the Bible that he considers authoritative, so any answer will be wrong.

        • sanz31

          lol true… Timothy have given him a perfect defensive rebuttal from NiteClerks’ lame so very lame arguments…

    • Jack Rohde

      Catholics worship idols, which are graven images, but I guess as long as you believe in Jesus as your savior, you can believe in 63 corvettes if you want, technicaly speaking

    • Chic Magnet Bailey

      You have NO right Nite to claim ANY of it as truth, your vaticans ‘scientist’ says you can’t take it literal, and what about Ex cathedral, speaking for God. Popes have contradicted other Popes, changed the rules on so many issues, MURDERED another Pope, and now your new Pope says the Church has to work on changing its positions of same sex marriage and abortion. So, this scientist says we can’t take the Bible literal, your Popes contradict and are criminals and you make up some crap about the different times of the Bible writings. Why worry about it, the Catholic church forbade you from reading it until the 1980’s and said your not smart enough to understand it! I still don’t understand why to ExCathedral Popes can contradict one another when the Bible says “I am the Lord God and i CHANGE NOT!” Oh, I forgot, you can’t take it literal

  • BarkingDawg

    Even if it’s not blasphemy, it is definitely monumentally stupid to believe in YEC.

  • Dorothee Ui Cheallaigh

    According to him the earth should be flat with the sun revolving around it!

  • James Smiley Bishop

    Young Earth Creationists really disturb me.
    The Bible does not mention the age of the universe or the earth, and I have looked into at often.

    It is damaging for the Truth of Christ, and His cause, and such a position is just downright illiterate, and nonsensical.

    • pjwung

      Yes, I agree that misinformation is damaging to the Christian faith since is leaves others with the impression that all Christians are foolish and completely lacking in the understanding of valid and accurate geophysical facts. – From the USGS we have the following: “Ancient rocks exceeding 3.5 billion years in age are found on all of Earth’s continents. The oldest rocks on Earth found so far are the Acasta Gneisses in northwestern Canada near Great Slave Lake (4.03 Ga) and the Isua Supracrustal rocks in West Greenland (3.7 to 3.8 Ga), but well-studied rocks nearly as old are also found in the Minnesota River Valley and northern Michigan (3.5-3.7 billion years), in Swaziland (3.4-3.5 billion years), and in Western Australia (3.4-3.6 billion years). The earth is at least 4.3 billion years old!”

    • Ellery Rose

      “It is damaging for the Truth of Christ, and His cause, and such a position is just downright illiterate, and nonsensical.” Yes!
      I understood even before I knew the Author, that Genesis 1:1 is just a statement of who, not when, that the earth was already in place when the creation account day 1 began, that the Bible is the record of this biped that is created in their image, and His handiwork is the record of prior existences. Let us make ‘man’ in our image, not let us make a creature and call it ‘man’. It suggests to me that the creature ‘man’ existed before, but was not made in their image.
      When I started reading the Bible with a renewed mind I heard the passage as “(now, or this time) let us make man in our image”, perhaps because other life came forth after it’s kind’.
      God breathed into the Adam biped not oxygen, but a piece of Himself, and that tiny glow causes each one of us to seek the light, also to run from it.
      Science can’t identify the ‘missing link’ because the only link is the chemicals from the earth. We are not evolved from those other bipeds.
      Science does say the earth has seen five extinctions. We are number six and the last of the series, (interesting the number, huh?) then on to another when this one ‘passes away’. I am excited and grateful to be include in both. There is much exploring to do.

    • Chic Magnet Bailey

      Please explain then Romans 6:23 ‘The wages of SIN is DEATH” So animals died before mankind sinned? Please explain how there was no death before Adams fall but you claim the fossils were here long before Adam.

      • RealityBetraysUs

        fossil records are a joke, they use circular arguments to prove age and age to prove fossils, when really the bible says the whole earth was turned upside down by the worldwide flood that covered the whole globe. You can not use fossils because dating methods are bogus, if dating is accurate why can scientist take a live mollusk shell from the ocean and test it(carbon 14) , yet they will tell you it tests as thousands of years old but it is still alive and not yet dead? This is not science but BS.

    • RealityBetraysUs

      When the astronauts landed on the moon they found exactly the right deapth of moon dust that should have been there if the “young earth creattionsists were correct several inches” If the earth and moon were millions of years of age the orbit of the moon would have decayed long ago and would not be in orbit any longer that is one basic fact refuted by science that all the idiots that believe in the earth being billions of years old can not explain.

  • http://www.evolutionvsgod.com/ Rich

    Just amazing that someone from the Vatican who has no relationship with Jesus whatsoever (must be born again to have that, John 3:3) would call Jesus blasphemous…either that, or he really believes male and female, and Abel, the first born, have been around billions of years?

    “Jesus answered and said unto them, ‘For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. ..'” -Mark 10:5-6

    “That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.” -Luke 11:50-51

    • Evolution is a fact

      Do you actually believe this stuff?

      • jmichael39

        do actually enjoy acting like an ass?

      • http://www.evolutionvsgod.com/ Rich

        Have you watched this, and seen how evolution never happened, not from animals to man that is? http://www.EvolutionVsGod.com.

        And does your clinging to the evolution theory grant you eternal life and knowledge and relationship with our Creator? For 24 years I was raised and believed as an atheist…I know the answer is: No.

      • http://www.evolutionvsgod.com/ Rich

        If evolution was true, and humans and chimps did have a common ancestor, we would expect to find something that is half-monkey/half-man. These intermediate stages where one species supposedly evolves into another species are called “transitional forms.”

        Darwin acknowledged that the absence of intermediates put his theory in doubt, but he attributed their lack to the scarcity of fossils at that time. However, nearly 150 years later, the situation hasn’t changed. After scientists have searched diligently for a century and a half for evidence, we now have over 100 million fossils catalogued in the world’s museums, with 250,000 different species. Adapted from How to Know God Exists (Bridge Logos).

        Jeremiah 27:5 – “I have made the earth, the man and the beast that are on the ground, by My great power and by My outstretched arm, and have given it to whom it seemed proper to Me.”

        Discover the Evidence Bible.

        • Evolution is a fact

          Your comment demonstrates a complete lack of understanding what evolution is.

          • http://www.evolutionvsgod.com/ Rich

            Keep on saying evolution is fact even when it isn’t…then one day it will be true…or not. 🙂

            Just caring about you, man. Evolution didn’t bring about something from nothing, nor give us souls and eternal life. The question is, are you reading your Bible daily? Do you know our Creator? And is it a bad thing that our Creator exists? It doesn’t mean you have to eat any differently. 🙂

          • Evolution is a fact

            I have read the bible many times. I attended private christian schools for 12 years. In fact, most atheists know the bible better than most Christians.

            P.S. Evolution is a fact.

            http://www.nas.edu/evolution/TheoryOrFact.html

          • Rose

            You say that you’ve read the bible many times, but have you with eyes open? And no I’m not saying that in a rude way but instead in a poetic sense. Have you read the bible and considered ‘okay if this is real’ or did you read the bible just to go through and contradict everything it said? Your fact saying that most atheists know the bible better than most Christians is sadly for you, an opinion. And so is your other statement, that evolution is a fact. If you read the bible truthfully and with eyes wide open, you’d understand that evolution is a silly theory for nonbelievers to make them think that they’re smarter than Christians.

        • urnotathinkerareu?

          They have found this….why dont you study some REAL science.?

    • urnotathinkerareu?

      EVERY scientific fact becomes “harness of the heart” for you morons doesnt it. Burn any witches at the stake yet?

  • http://www.evolutionvsgod.com/ Rich

    Jesus is blasphemous?

    “Jesus answered and said unto them, ‘For the hardness of your heart he wrote you this precept. But from the beginning of the creation God made them male and female. ..'” -Mark 10:5-6

    “That the blood of all the prophets, which was shed from the foundation of the world, may be required of this generation; From the blood of Abel unto the blood of Zacharias, which perished between the altar and the temple: verily I say unto you, It shall be required of this generation.” -Luke 11:50-51

  • Iris

    I don’t see the Bible as a science book, per se’, I do see it as TRUTH, though. It is the Word of God and there are no lies in it. So I think this scientist presumes too much if he thinks he is more of an authority on creation than the word of the Creator himself.

  • Jonathan Rudd

    What experiment did he do to lead him to that conclusion? Bingo.

    • Evolution is a fact

      Could you expand on this comment? I’m not sure who it is aimed at or what your point is.

      • Jonathan Rudd

        It means what it says.

        • BarkingDawg

          Ah, so it means nothing.

          • Jonathan Rudd

            In your opinion.

  • alnga

    I am not saved by the bible but I am saved by my faith in Jesus Christ as my Lord and Savior and confessing Him with my mouth and believing in my heart that he was raised from that tomb on the third day. So then the precise age of the Earth will never be known to us dwelling here now but when we are with Him you might ask, but I do not think that will be your first question. Actually ICR who have their own scientist and Creation Research folks will discuss with those who inquire about the Earth’s age and the Geological evidence of the best guess thus far. icr.com, give them a try.

  • Neiman

    If the Genesis account is not literal, then the entirety of the Bible, including Salvation cannot be trusted either and with it Christianity and the existence of God falls apart.

    • BarkingDawg

      You do realize, don’t you, that the various books of the bible were selected to be included in the text by men?

      • Neiman

        First, your point has nothing to do with what I posted. It assumes the people reading my comments are believers are they are open minded. If God misled us by saying all things were created in 6-literal days, when He actually meant something else, He is a deceiver and cannot be God, as God has no cause to deceive anyone, no motive.

        Next, this cannot be discussed with you, as you are either an atheist or a practical atheist, not knowing that God inspired every Word of Scripture, not knowing He has the interest and the Power to direct men in what books to choose for the good of His Church and that we might know He did, because of the harmony and perfection of God’s message from beginning to end.

    • Evolution is a fact

      Exactly right.

      • Neiman

        But it is literal, it is fact and evolution is a false, faith based religion.

        • Evolution is a fact

          No, it isn’t. Evolution does not require faith of any kind.

          • Neiman

            How do you know, were you there at the beginning?

            Did you witness evolution take place?

            Why are we not awash with billions, even trillions of fully developed, vertical transitional forms in the archeological record between species?

            How can there be complex design without a preexisting designer greater than the things designed? By random mutations over time, by zillions of accidents?

            Can you duplicate evolution by empirical experiments in the laboratory from nothing?

            How can everything that exists come from nothing?

            No, it takes much more faith to believe in the fantasy of evolution than in a divine Creator. Evolution is a religion!

          • Evolution is a fact

            Your comment demonstrates to me that you know nothing about evolution or how it works.

          • Neiman

            I know a lot more than you about your bankrupt religion of evolution.

          • Evolution is a fact

            Really? What do you know about it?

  • DiegoJames

    I’m Catholic and it grieves me that Catholics in leadership misunderstand this issue. There is nothing unscientific about using a young earth model or an old earth model as a presupposition upon which to apply properly conducted scientific observation. The real question is what does the Catholic Church make of the accounts of creation? To discount them out of hand because of a modern science dogma on a subject that is not scientifically provable lowers the Catholic Church into debate over cheap science which itself escapes to philosophy instead of good scientific observations, good science which again can rightly be applied to either a young or old earth model and can even provide data for either model regardless of whose view was behind the actual collection of data. The Catholic Church is mistaken to take sides of this issue in the manner of current day science philosophers and needs to stick to the fruits of Genesis as it is written, as Christian delvers into the Word of God.

  • billhoidas

    Guy Consolmagno is an apostate and is one of those quoted when the Bible talks about scoffers. Hundreds of things in the KJV of the Bible have been proven true regarding medicine, geology, autonomy, physics,etc. Nothing has ever been misproven. He needs to go to http://www.icr.org/ and study. Also for starters

    -stars are not “constantly being formed” Man has never witnessed
    a star being born even with today’s advanced technology. The theory of “space
    gas” and matter condensing is against the laws of physics as everything expands
    in space-it doesn’t condense. Physicists and astronomers agree that matter
    cannot be created or destroyed and that the universe is actually in the state
    of decay.

    -I am familiar with carbon dating and that the half-life
    varies depending on the conditions used but if you want to use 60,000 years
    that is a lot closer to my 6,000 years than “millions of years” All physicists agree that there would be no
    carbon-14 left after 250,000 years.

    -yes because I do study science I know there are other types
    of dating methods but they depend on an assumed starting point. It’s like a 6”
    candle that is burning and melting at a rate of ½” per hour. How tall was the
    candle in the beginning? There is no way to know unless you insert your own beginning
    time point. Evolutionists use these dating techniques to fit into whatever time
    period they have chosen.

    -the point that all life forms existed at the same time as
    proven by fossils in the Cambrian layer eliminates the “millions of years” in
    between species. Talk to any evolutionary scientist and they will ignore that
    fact.

    -that brings up another point. If there were “millions of
    years” between rock layers there would be “buffers” between the layers but
    there are not. There are many fossilized trees etc. standing straight up going
    through different rock layers.

    -factoring in “wars & plagues” to calculate population
    is accepted in the scientific community. The approximate casualties from both
    are generally known and accepted.

    -the concept of Noah’s Ark can be explained in a few ways.
    The Bible clearly tells us that 2 (male & female) of each “kind’ of regular
    animal and seven of each “kind” of animals suitable for sacrifice. That would
    be ten “kinds” suitable for sacrifice or 70 total. For example in modern times Noah would only
    need to bring a male and female canine not a male and female collie, german
    shepherd, cocker spaniel, etc. The Ark was huge and could have easily held two
    of each kind and the extra sacrificial animals. Many animals today
    hibernate and if they were in hibernation and were young (not fully grown) they
    would have taken up less space and not have needed as much food or produced
    much waste (fecal matter). And of course a God powerful enough to have created
    the universe would have made all this possible.

    -to deny that a planet with bugs and no birds wouldn’t have
    been consumed by bugs is defying reality. No entomologist would deny this

    – to deny that our world would not be overpopulated to the
    point of impossibility after even 100,00 years is again denying reality

    -what creationist/evolutionist debates have you watched?
    Have you? I have. I’m talking about qualified folks on each side. -many are
    available on youtube. I challenge you to watch some that my friends Ian Juby
    & Bruce Malone have done. They use science and research and it’s been the
    evolutionists that have been humiliated

    -I don’t know where you got your information about the KJV
    but your statements are incorrect. In the KJV the Old Testament is the same as
    the Hebrew Bible which is called the Tanakh (not the Torah which is the first
    five books only) and is word for word exactly the same. The only difference is
    that the chapters and verses are numbered differently. The New Testament is
    directly from the Textus Receptus. All verses in the KJV except 5 or 6 have been verified
    as original scripture. The other Bible versions are not the same and have been
    taken from the Alexandrian writings which have parts omitted and some versions add
    some or all of the apocryphal texts. One example of a different version would
    be the NIV version which was written for readers with the equivalent of a
    seventh grade education today.

    – Old Testament
    prophecies fulfilled-Messianic 330. All prophecies total about 2,500 and about
    2,000 have been fulfilled. Some of the prophecies in the Old Testament are so
    accurate that nonbelievers used to say they were written after the fact until
    the discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls which the scientific community agrees
    cannot be any more recent than 150 BC.

    -yes I did read your
    hyperlink (not links as you stated) It’s the same old same old statements of
    nonbelievers that I hear every week. -did you go to the links I provided you?

    I answer the phones
    for my church during our TV telecasts on the Church Channel Tuesday mornings
    6:30AM central time & WGN Sundays at 5:30AM. Each statement on your link can be reputed but
    too numerous to go into here. A few general points though.

    -the four gospels
    describing the life of Christ are slightly different narratives which as any
    trial attorney would tell you proves their validity. If each one were exactly
    the same it would prove collusion.

    -the fact that 11 of
    the 12 apostles were martyred means they went to their death refusing to deny
    the life and Resurrection of Christ which is also proof of truth. If they were
    lying they certainly wouldn’t have gone to their death they would have just
    recanted.

    -the Fourth
    Commandment.- Dude! Duh! “For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the
    sea, and all that in them is”

    -the Bible was not
    just written by man it is God inspired. 66 books (39 O.T. & 27 N.T.)- 40 “authors”
    About 1,500 years to write. Man could have never done that on his own.

    -none of my statements on my post were “cut
    & pasted” they are my words.

    -science is not my enemy it is my friend but
    you have to be open minded enough to actually study science

    -the first verses of Genesis as verified by any
    expert on ancient Hebrew speak of days that are literal 24 hour days.

    • BarkingDawg

      Bill wrote:

      “-stars are not “constantly being formed” Man has never witnessed a star being born even with today’s advanced technology.”

      =========

      To the contrary. We have witnessed plenty of stars I’m the process of formation. Look up “Herbig–Haro objects.”

  • Erin Carol Ponzo

    If scientists would stop looking at a billion years as a billion years and look atat time as a whole one unit of eternity it may change how they can interpret everything and the way they study and observe. Time does not exist. As hard of a concept as it is to swallow it is the truth. The universe is Gods footstool. If energy does not cease to exsist then there is no beginning and no end. There may be a beginning in the Earth, but that is only because Gods chose to use energy in a new way. Ultimately, my view is that for us to be here at this moment by the will of God it must be a test of the unknown. He wouldn’t create us out of his love to forsake us, or to bring us to an end.

    • BarkingDawg

      Erin wrote:

      “If scientists would stop looking at a billion years as a billion years and look atat time as a whole one unit of eternity”

      ========
      Are you saying that 1 billion years = 1 eternity?

      Then 2 billion years must equal 2 eternities.

      On a related note: What is the distance that is halfway to infinity?

      • Erin Carol Ponzo

        I am not saying a billion years is eternity. What I said was if scientists stop looking at per say a billion years as a ‘billion’ years but instead look at time as if it does not exist. To look at every moment as the same moment.

        • BarkingDawg

          Ah, you are talking about “the problem of time.”

          Google up “Wheeler- Dewitt equation”

    • Arrie

      This gets interesting.
      How can we properly explain eternity?
      Anyone like to give it a go?

      • Erin Carol Ponzo

        You can’t explain it. It takes a higher intelligence than any human is capable of having. However we are eternal as is time, so therefore we must humble ourselves to be enlightened by our creator. I remember being very small wondering what is outside of the universe? It must be contained in side something else…and something after that. It scared me terribly. Now I know we must have faith.

        • Arrie

          Yes, that is true. We cannot explain eternity because our heads cannot get around it. I believe this is similar to the events of creation, we are just too small.
          Eternity was placed in our hearts though, and that is what matters. It should be the same with accounts of creation.
          The simple solution is – we need to submit fully to YHVH God, and drop our egotistical behaviour and “know it all” attitude that we form with our “not so wonderful” reasoning that we think sets us above everything and everyone else. In the process of such behaviour our “know it all” attitudes and “superior reasoning” only cause oppression and hurt to others. This is not the way of love. Look at the news, our behaviour and how we are forcing others to fall in with our “doctrines” of superior reasoning.
          We as humans must get over ourselves and submit to God – simple.

  • http://www.BeachCarvers.com/ Anna Jackson

    This is what he said next… “‘In six days the Lord created the Heavens and the Earth?’ Where’d you hear that blasphemy? You’ve been listening to those Young Earth Creationists again, haven’t you??!

    • BarkingDawg

      If the sun and earth did not exist yet, how long was a “day ?”

  • paulmiller5

    “According to Consolmagno, neither science nor religion is about absolute truth.” Talk about blasphemy. If you can’t trust what the bible teaches to be true, how can you put your faith into what it says? This guy has a screw loose and should be fired from the Vatican for uttering such nonsense.

    • Chic Magnet Bailey

      Fired? The Pope himself came out this week and says the Church must ‘change’ and be more compassionate towards ABORTION and Sodomy! Rome has always been and always will be a manipulator of false doctrines and lies like their father spoke to Eve in the garden. 2 Tim 3:16 nails it. “All Scripture is inspired by God !” but this clown with the Popes blessings says its up to them to determine what is literal.

    • RealityBetraysUs

      Consider the source; only recently did the Vatican recant and say we are sorry the earth is not at the center of the universe and Galelao was correct, so it it takes them that long to admit their errors in Physics, how much longer will it take to admit their errors in other fields of science? I do not dispute that Jesus Christ is Lord and God and believe that the bible is the in-errandt word of God. Too bad the frail human beings in the Church that are supposed to represent him are nothing but mere frail mortal human beings who have a hard enough time just reading the bible without messing it up.

  • James Grimes

    The Evolutionists are barking up the wrong tree. The Bible speaks the truth about God’s creation and the opinions of these delusional people have no value on a Christian forum. Disregard what they say and concentrate only on God’s Word.

  • Chic Magnet Bailey

    “The search for literalism, the search for absolute truth, isn’t what science is about and it’s not what religion is about,” then the Church itself is a LIAR. They say they are THE CHURCH based upon Matt 16:18, “That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.” I say that isn’t an absolute, have to Pope tell me why the Church can pick and choose what parts of the Bible are literal and which ones aren’t. Seems the Pope and his employee’s are more pagans than ISIS, at least ISIS believes the Bible as being literal!

  • Chic Magnet Bailey

    “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and isprofitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:” ….. and another Many will say to me on that day of Judgement, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name DRIVE OUT DEMONS and in your name perform many miracles?’ 23 Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’ Matt 7. Sounds just like this ‘scientist’ and current Pope !

    • BarkingDawg

      Why are you using a computer created through the evils of science?

  • Chic Magnet Bailey

    1993 John Paul II FINALLY ADMITTED THAT THE EARTH ORBITS AROUND THE SUN, and were suppose to believe this EX-Cathedral heresies out of Rome? Father Lorini of France threatened Galliao with torture and death for speaking of Copernicus’ theory. Look at how Christipher Columbus was threatened by Rome for saying the earth was round. Fools follow men like this and his ‘Pope”

    • BarkingDawg

      All true Christians know that the sun orbits the earth and that the Earth is the center of the universe.

      . . . Or something like that.

  • Richard French

    If the earth were millions of years old DNA would have degenerated into lifeless goo by now. The Bible is completely accurate, and God will show this wicked world soon. I don’t care how many “experts” they line up to spew this nonsense, I’ll take the Bible’s word every time. I am entitled to believe the truth, and no one is forcing you not to.

    • BarkingDawg

      Richard wrote:

      “If the earth were millions of years old DNA would have degenerated into lifeless goo by now.”

      =========

      I’m having trouble following you logic here. Could you please expand/explain the connection between the age of the Earth and DNA.

      DNA is created constantly as cells are created. I don’t think I have any million year old cells in my body, although it does feel that way sometimes 😉

      • Richard French

        DNA degrades with each new organism/life/child. Evolution seems to be working in reverse instead of things getting better the clock is winding down. Not my logic, just the facts ma’am.

        • BarkingDawg

          “DNA degrades with each new organism/life/child.”

          ============
          No. It does not.

          Where ever did you get that peculiar idea from?

          • Richard French

            You are the peculiar one, no matter what is said you argue with it because it doesn’t fit with your beliefs, namely evolution. The fact is just like all the animals we are all getting sicker, weaker, and more disposed to bacterium while the bugs are getting stronger. You have a closed mind so I won’t be wasting anymore time here going back and forth with you. God bless you and may He guide you to the truth.

          • BarkingDawg

            “while the bugs are getting stronger.”

            ===========

            Oh, so you do believe in evolution after all.

          • Richard French

            So you think resistance to antibiotics is evolution? Why do I engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed individual?

  • BS

    //neither science nor religion is about absolute truth.// – Guy Consolmagno

    “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.” – Jesus

    I know who I’m going with.

  • jmichael39

    Blasphemous against what? Certainly not God. Maybe against Secular Humanism and their dogma. I’m sure the high priests of secular humanism would agree.

  • Arrie

    In my opinion, evolutionists are doing their utmost to replace Christianity with their own belief/religion. Wonder why! Come to think of it, so is Islam and many others. Satanism does not, because their father still have the taste of defeat fresh on his tongue.
    It is quite weird that Christianity and Jesus Christ principles are continuously under attack in this modern world. I wonder who will be able to figure that out?

    • Evolution is a fact

      Why do you think “evolutionists” are trying to do this?

      • Arrie

        If humans can argue away God by means of simple human reason, then we do not need to be answerable to God any longer. So humans can do the thing they most like to do – declare themselves god.
        All atheists in came across feverishly hang on to science and evolution as the know it all and end of it all under the sun, so much so that they do not care to utterly attack at many levels people holding to faith in Christ, resorting to call people of faith plain stupid.

        • Evolution is a fact

          “If humans can argue away God by means of simple human reason, then we do not need to be answerable to God any longer.” Yes, and that is a good thing.

          Also, I don’t think religious people are stupid. They’ve just been indoctrinated into false beliefs. I know, because I used to be religious myself.

          • Arrie

            My point is, in order to claim ourselves god/s, we will use whatever reasoning not to be answerable to an Almighty God. Simple human reason cannot argue
            Funny, I’ve been “unreligious” and comparing my life outside faith in Christ to how it is after being born again – man I’m not going back there. I’ve made a mess and I’ve been a mess as an unbeliever.

  • edward emmell

    The creation of the earth is as the Bible says it is. The Vatican astronomer is a heretic. God created the earth and world in 7 days. God said it I believe it with out question. Do not question God or his Word the Bible.!

    • BarkingDawg

      God didn’t come up with the creation myth, some sunbaked sheep herder in the desert did.

      • edward emmell

        The Bible is foolishness to the natural man . The Bible has to be spiritually discerned. You must be a born again Christian in order to understand the Bible. You clearly no are not. That is why you cant understand scripture!

        • Evolution is a fact

          So, you have to believe it before you can believe it? Sounds legit to me.

      • edward emmell

        The creation story is in the Bible which are Gods words. Scripture came not by the will of man, but Holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Spirit 2 Peter 1:21

  • Frank Malatesta

    The word of God is enough for me,The lord sent his word and creation came into being.

  • HeavenlyBeing

    For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart. 13Nothing in all creation is hidden from God’s sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account.
    Heb. 4: 12 & 13

  • streamoconsciousness

    The picture with the story is of Stephen King posing as a Vatican astronomer. Don’t believe me? Open two browser WINDOWS, not tabs. Search images of the author known as Stephen King (who knows who he *really* is?), and put one next to the picture in this story. Now prove me wrong. So either the Christian News is naïve and didn’t vet the story, or is part of the system of actors, hoax, and fraud we see over and over in entertainment, religion (the last 3 popes at a minimum), and gov’t (worldwide). This story was invented/created to produce outrage, stir up the masses, and get them frothing.

  • Joseph M. Butler

    Scientists also see through a glass darkly but they think they see clearly.

  • bella

    The word of God is literal truth.The book of Genesis is the literal truth about all of earths creation.

  • Ransom Davidson

    This self-appointed and self-righteous tool of the Vatican should be more concerned with the very likelihood and possibility that it is his claims and views that are not only blasphemous but heretical as well; rather than being concerned with what other folks believe that don’t happen to go along with his stinking thinking or his stinking church.

  • chuck kutchera

    Did anyone notice that he is pictured next to a microscope not a telescope?

  • Robert

    Jesus interpreted literally:

    John 5
    46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
    47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

  • John Mark IB

    haha ahhh yessss why is this not surprising?? my 2 cents worth anyways, and this coming as it does from the Vatican? they have always been enemies of Truth!! since their romanish roots 300ad beginnings, and even murdered Christians for simply wanting what GOD wanted all along and that is to have His Words in their our hands, and so they start with man/satans so called science and they will end with his false sciences and words vs GOD’S Truth and Words Preserved in His KJV Bible! here’s hope for the truth seeking catholic and hope for all pass it on and may GOD bless you all with love joy and peace always in Jesus name amen!

    http://faithsaves.net/bible-truths-for-catholic-friends/

    http://faithsaves.net/

    http://www.pillarandground.org/home/?page_id=36

    http://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com/

    http://www.icr.org/

    http://www.icr.org/evidence

  • urnotathinkerareu?

    After reading through all the comments I cannot beleive how stupid people still are in this day of science technology and medical science that proves evolution simply on a cell basis. Genetics itself proves the human race could never have POSSIBLT been created through TWO individuals. The bible is NOT evidence of anything…it is a claim and it is a claim without EVIDENCE for its thousands of incoherent claims. Evolution is NOT a religion. Evolutionary biology is a science as are the other forms and types of evolution or did you think there was only one ‘type” of evolution? Micro eveolution and MACRO evolution are not seperate they are the same process one can be seen with a ‘micro” scope and the other may be seen through a “telescope” with a million variations in between…much like the fossil records that have found with many connecting pieces still missing. Evolution is a fact..not a coomon theory but a SCIENTIFIC theory…if you dont know the differnce between these two TYPES of theory you have no business commenting.

  • urnotathinkerareu?

    Evolution hasn’t been proven because its just a theory.
    This lie is what I call the “idiot test.” Anyone who says this isn’t just ignorant, they’re stupid.
    The irony here is that calling Evolution “just a theory” is technically the truth. Its the reason they are saying it, and what they mean when they say “theory” that is wrong. According to the Random House American College Dictionary, a scientific theory is “a coherent group of general propositions used as principles of explanation for a group of phenomena.” That’s a fancy way of saying “an idea that has a metric fuck-ton of evidence behind it, to the point that no one with an ounce of sense argues with it anymore.” A “theory”, in science, is not a guess but a near certainty. In science, a theory differs only from a scientific law in the fact that you can usually explain a scientific law in fewer words. Being declared a theory means that an idea is self-consistent, agrees with observations, and is useful.
    Science deals with levels of certainty based on observed evidence. The more and better evidence we have for something, the more certainty we assign to it; when there is enough evidence, we label the something a fact, even though it still hasn’t been “proven” to 100% certainty. What evolution has is what any good scientific theory has is evidence, and lots of it. Evolution is one of the single-most supported scientific ideas in the history of the human race, if not the most supported. Evidence for evolution comes by way of genetics, anatomy, ecology, biology, zoology, paleontology, and many other scientific fields