Mormons Admit Leader Joseph Smith Had Up to 40 Wives in New Official Essay

SmithSALT LAKE CITY — The headquarters for the Mormon religion, also known as the Latter Day Saints (LDS), has acknowledged in a new official essay that its founder practiced polygamy and had up to 40 wives, including a 14-year-old and women who were already married.

“Plural Marriage in Kirtland and Nauvoo” is the first of a three-part series to be posted on the LDS.org website, and focuses on the life of Joseph Smith and the many wives that he took to himself after purportedly being commanded by an angel to “practice plural marriage.”

Heretofore, the Mormon establishment had sought to distance itself from portraying Smith as a polygamist, but the new essay states forthrightly that “careful estimates put the number [of women Smith married as] between 30 and 40.”

“Most of those sealed to Joseph Smith were between 20 and 40 years of age at the time of their sealing to him,” the essay outlines. “The oldest, Fanny Young, was 56 years old. The youngest was Helen Mar Kimball, daughter of Joseph’s close friends Heber C. and Vilate Murray Kimball, who was sealed to Joseph several months before her 15th birthday.”

The publication also notes that there were two types of marriage: time and eternity, and eternity alone. In other words, some of Smith’s marriages, referred to as “sealings,” were sexual in nature in the here and now, and others were meant to be unions for the afterlife.

“The same revelation that taught of plural marriage was part of a larger revelation given to Joseph Smith—that marriage could last beyond death and that eternal marriage was essential to inheriting the fullness that God desires for His children,” it outlined.

But the essay also noted that some of the “eternity alone” sealings were with women who were already wedded to his followers.

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“Following his marriage to Louisa Beaman (Smith’s second wife, who later separated) and before he married other single women, Joseph Smith was sealed to a number of women who were already married,” it explained.

“Joseph Smith’s sealings to women already married may have been an early version of linking one family to another,” the publication stated, citing possible reasons for doing so. “These sealings may also be explained by Joseph’s reluctance to enter plural marriage because of the sorrow it would bring to his wife Emma. He may have believed that sealings to married women would comply with the Lord’s command without requiring him to have normal marriage relationships.”

But Smith did not only practice polygamy himself, the essay noted. He encouraged it.

“Joseph married many additional wives and authorized other Latter-day Saints to practice plural marriage,” it notes. “The practice spread slowly at first. By June 1844, when Joseph died, approximately 29 men and 50 women had entered into plural marriage, in addition to Joseph and his wives. When the Saints entered the Salt Lake Valley in 1847, at least 196 men and 521 women had entered into plural marriages.”

Some turned away from Mormonism, however, because of this practice, and the religious group eventually banned polygamy in 1890. Nonetheless, Mormons consider Smith to be a prophet sent by God and “a martyr of the restored gospel.” Others who oppose Mormonism as a false religion take issue not only with Smith’s polygamy, but also its teachings that God was once a man who worked his way up to being God, and that some will likewise go on to become gods, where they will call their spirit wives to themselves and populate the planet that they have inherited.

“[Y]ou have to learn how to be gods yourselves,” Smith wrote in “Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith.” “[T]he same as all gods have done before you.”


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  • Neiman

    This is well known outside the LDS, has been for many, many decades. Smith was a cheap con man and sadly has been a long time in hell.

    This however is not the biggest problem with the LDS, they claim to be a Christian Church deceiving millions; yet, they say that Jesus was born of a Mormon god, one of many gods, and his wife through normal sexual intercourse, denying thereby His eternal deity and role as the Creator of all things. They say he and Lucifer were brothers and that their god-father turned down Lucifer’s plan for saving mankind on earth, accepting Jesus plan, wherein Lucifer became the Devil through anger and jealousy, a sibling rivalry with his own brother. All of this is a direct denial of Jesus eternal deity, of His oneness with the Father in Nature and essence. To deny Christ’s eternal existence and His being Almighty God, they are anti-Christ, a false religion..

    • Wayne Dequer

      Neiman,

      You have indeed characterized what some Mormons probably believe, but Not the actual teachings and doctrine of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. However, here is a link to a clear, well-references, and official LDS essay about “Becoming Like God” at https://www.lds.org/topics/becoming-like-god?lang=eng . “Theosis” is Not a rare Christian belief. (See http://www.gotquestions.org/theosis.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Theosis_%28Eastern_Orthodox_theology%29 )

      The LDS faith does have some fairly unique views of the nature of God and man. However, we believe that God is, and will continue to be, our Heavenly Father and Jesus our divine Savior, worlds without end. (See https://www.lds.org/topics/christians?lang=eng&query=nature+of+god , http://www.mormon.org/faq/nature-of-god , and https://www.lds.org/liahona/2006/01/the-fulness-of-the-gospel-the-nature-of-the-godhead?lang=eng&query=nature+of+god )

      As to the eternal reward or punishment for Joseph Smith, my reading of the Sermon on the Mount tell me to: “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”, etc. (See Matthew 7) Further in John 5, etc., the Savior makes it clear that such judgements are His to make and not ours.

      • Neiman

        First, with respect, we will never agree and our arguing about some of these matters is a waste of time and energy. It would be endless and without purpose. I have stated my beliefs and I am content to leave it there.

        Next, if you will recall even Paul condemned certain false prophets to hell, speaking of their just reward for leading souls astray. As I noted, I believe Smith to have been a false prophet and by his false version of Christianity, has led many millions into perdition. So, sorry, but no apologies, as I have very strong feelings about his fate.

        Lastly, no matter how you spin and twist to defend your LDS theology, it all gets down to this as far as Biblical Christians are concerned, according to LDS teachings Jesus was/is not eternal, He came into time as the male issue of a male god and his wife, procreated through normal sexual intercourse, before then He did not exist. Unfortunately for the souls deceived, the Bible tells us that Jesus and the Father are One eternally existing Divine Being, one Almighty God, that Jesus had no beginning and will have no end, there was never a point inside or outside time wherein He did not exist, He is eternal in His existence. He is the great I AM, which means He is because He is, He is the self-existent God which denies Him ever being born at all. Yes, as to His flesh, He came into this world, but in Spirit (life) He always was, is now and always will be Almighty God the Creator of all things, which means He would have had to create His own father if LDS doctrines were true. If that was not true, He would not qualify to be our Redeemer, He had to be both the one Holy God tabernacled in the flesh and blood of a man; yet, as to His deity He always was God, He is now in Heaven as the One Almighty God.

        So, no Bible believing Christian could ever come to any other conclusion than that the LDS Jesus is a false Jesus and the LDS is anti-Christ.

        http://www.gotquestions.org/is-Jesus-God.html

        • Wayne Dequer

          Thank you for taking the time to thoughtfully reply. I certainly respect everyone’s right to express their opinions especially on the internet. However, I am concerned about your characterization of LDS teachings and about what the Holy Bible says:

          1) Paul, and others, certainly warns about false prophets (See http://www.openbible.info/topics/judging_false_teachers ) but I know of nowhere he condemns them to hell. Could you kindly provide Scriptural reference(s)? Again, my understanding is that Christ is the true, just and eternal judge (John 5:21-30).

          2) We agree that Jesus is the Great I AM, Jehovah. (See https://www.lds.org/topics/jesus-christ?lang=eng ).

          3) I have certainly heard some Mormon speculate on how Jesus was conceived. The notion that he was conceived as the result of sexual intercourse between Heavenly Father and Mary is Not the doctrine of the Church(See http://en.fairmormon.org/Jesus_Christ/Conception and http://www.fairmormon.org/perspectives/publications/did-god-have-sex-with-mary
          ). I can easily understand that for those who sincerely believe that God is without body, parts and/or passions that such a concept would be especially blasphemous. Of course the Bible does that teach that God is without body, parts and/or passions. In fact, Jesus teaches that if we have seen Him we have seen His Father (John 14).

          I know of some who Not only reject Mormons as Christians, but also Jehovah’s Witnesses, Seventh-day Adventists, and even Roman Catholics. I believe Christians are all those who believe that Jesus Christ is the divine Son of God and try to follow his teachings and examples.

          When I joined The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as a college student in 1966, one the things that bothered me was the sometimes mocking attitudes toward some beliefs of other Christians. They did Not seem to bring us closer to Christ. Happily those negative characterizations largely disappeared over the next 40 years, especially from official sources.

          As I matured somewhat in the gospel and my study of the scriptures I was struck by the council of Gamaliel in Acts 5: “And now I say unto you, Refrain from these men, and let them alone: for if this counsel or this work be of men, it will come to nought: But if it be of God, ye cannot overthrow it; lest haply ye be found even to fight against God.”

          I understand that we have different beliefs, especially about the nature of the trinity and the role of priesthood authority. However, I accept your sincere belief in Christ. I have found that as I have deepened in the gospel what some see as differences on the topic of grace is in fact generally an area of agreement.

          I wish you well in all your positive endeavors.

        • Demopublicrat
        • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

          Wow u got it all wrong..

    • Demopublicrat

      “Smith was a cheap con man and sadly has been a long time in hell.” Reminds me of Romney except he’s just creating hell.

      • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

        That very attitude of negative words shows the Devils influence. :-p

        • Demopublicrat

          “Devil’s influence” also reminds me of Romney and his liberal agenda.

          • Neiman

            I did not vote for Romney, because I believe, as a Mormon, he is an idol worshiper and an anti-Christ; but, that has nothing to do with his political beliefs or his being qualified to be president.

          • Demopublicrat

            Mormonism aside, Romney was a lying, pandering liberal – his record as governor proves that.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            LOL, if Mitt were running still I would vote for him for sure. Such a nice family man with good ethics, morals and business acumen. Politicians in general try to win people, Mitt didn’t win because he was not trying to win people over by lying to them. Probably good he didn’t win because politics changes everything.

    • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

      Wrong again. Actually Joseph Smith was a true prophet, the Mormons believe in Christ as being the Son of God. And anti Christ’s are evil and deceitful. Mormons are not. They are the kindest most helpful grouo of people you will ever meet, and their religion speaks of Christ as being the main focus. Neiman, it’s not good to confuse people by spreading something you read in an anti Mormon forum or something.. really, all Christ loving religions are good. When you say that religion is bad, my religion is awesome, that is in essence just as bad as the Jihad minus the murders if you will. Jesus wants us to love one another, the Mormons do that. Joseph Smith did what he did because I believe that was his mortal fall. Prophets are people, Jesus was immortal though in flesh, He was a glorified Son of God. We are all God’s children. If we forget that we fall. We all have Divine potential and through Jesus we are saved and have access to our potential. The devil wants us to forget that, and be enthralled with earthly matters, but that is what gives us death. Jesus taught beware of the mammon. If a church follows Jesus and His teachings it’s a good church. Definitely not an anti christ. Amen!

      • Neiman

        I am sorry, it is always an unpleasant task to contradict the sincerely held beliefs of others, no one enjoys having their beliefs challenged; but for the sake of any young Christian and for any precious lost soul seeking Salvation, I must oppose your assertions and virtually every word you penned above. I have nothing against you and I believe you have free will to choose your own faith, but I cannot be silent when a heresy is being promoted.

        1. Yes, Mormon’s generally, by their outward appearances only, do seem to live the Christian life much better than most true Christians, if such works could earn one their salvation, I would envy them and commend them; but it is all works of the natural flesh, by which works no one will ever be saved. One cannot earn their way to heaven or even by outward works, absent the Spirit, ever please God. At best, outside of Christ, they might lessen their everlasting torments thereby.

        2. All Christ loving religions are not good; that is, if their Jesus is not the Jesus of the Bible; and in the LDS, He is not the Jesus of the Bible, He is another Jesus altogether, He is not Almighty God, He is not the means by which God created all things. To Mormons Jesus had a beginning, which contradicts God’s Word that Jesus was always and always shall be God, His having no beginning and no end. If He was born at some point in time, as the LDS claims by the sexual union of a male god and his wife, He is not eternal and thus He cannot be God at all. If Jesus is, as the Bible insists, Almighty God the Creator, equal to and one with the Father, for Him to
        have been born as the LDS insists He was, He would have had to create His own
        father and then being born of His own father, which is nonsense and
        blasphemous and a most scurrilous heresy.

        Worse than the heresy of the LDS denying His self existent deity, they claim that Lucifer was Jesus brother, born in the same way as Jesus was of this male god and his wife, making Lucifer equal in nature to Jesus and that brings Christ down to something less than God, Who created all things. It elevates Lucifer above being an anointed Cherub, to being equal with God, which was Lucifer’s sin and the cause of him being cast out of heaven.

        Sorry, but in his teachings against the absolute ever existing deity of Jesus, Smith was a demon possessed con man that has by his lies led countless souls away from Christ and into hell.

        • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

          Totally wrong. Judge not lest Ye be judged Christ said. All churches are here for a reason of course. Trials are here for a reason too. We are to love one another as Jesus loves us, and religions don’t have to fight. We can all be one. Every religion has similar truth and we just need to focus on following Jesus’S teachings. Amen 🙂

          • Neiman

            How very ecumenical of you.

            Like so many professing the Christian faith, you totally misunderstand the passage about “judge not, lest ye be judged.” It is talking about hypocritical judgment, but the Bible also exhorts us to beware of
            evildoers and false prophets and to avoid those who practice all kinds
            of evil. How are we to discern who these people are if we do not make
            some kind of judgment about them?

            How can Christians be one with people that serve a false Christ? Are we to be one with Belial?

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            What is your definition of evil? 🙂 is striving to be like Christ evil? Is doing all you can to live a Christ like life and serving others evil? What is a false belief when there are 850 million Buddhists, 15 million Mormons and I don’t know how many Christians or Catholics, etc really, Neiman, if Christ were here he would be happy looking at anyone of any denomination doing their very best to live righteously. He said Sin no More.

          • Neiman

            As I said to you earlier that is very ecumenical of you, albeit terribly misguided.

            Evil or sin is any rebellion against God. He tells us that there is no one good, no not one. He tells us that there is no one righteous, that all have gone out of the way to rebel against him and all, by their free will choice, absent His salvation are destined for everlasting sufferings. He further tells us he has already condemned this world, because they are all in rebellion against him, they are all, without exception, steeped in sin.

            If God tells us, as he surely does, that there is only one way to salvation and that is by faith in Jesus as Savior and Lord, then surely everyone not being born again of the Spirit of Christ are self condemned. So, all religions which are not based upon salvation by God’s grace alone, by faith alone, which is his faith in us and that faith in Christ as our Savior, they are not brothers and sisters of true Bible believing Christians.

            That all being according to God’s word, then among those groups identifying themselves as Christians, it all depends on if He is the Jesus of the holy Bible or if he is “another Jesus.” Sadly, the Jesus of some of these groups is a wholly different Jesus, no matter if they use his name or not.

            So your very simplistic ecumenical approach is contrary to God’s word and while it is important for Christians that we love and pray for everyone for their salvation, it is equally important that we not join in fellowship with them as brothers and sisters in Christ, if they reject the biblical Jesus entirely or if they redefine him into their own image.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Interesting perspective indeed. But the Mormons don’t reject Christ whatsoever and there is only one Christ. Mormons don’t have their own God or Christ because there is only one. Anyway God is all Love, Christ is all Love. But there is spiritual law. The holy ghost is always with us. It’s the Holy Ghost that tells us if we are on the right track. Scriptures are meant to be examples for us to learn from and Christ’s teachings are what we need to follow.
            Anyway love this discussion. Thanks 😀

          • Neiman

            I never said that Mormons reject Christ, what I have said and will say again now, is that their Jesus is not the same Jesus of the Holy Bible. He is another Jesus altogether, that very fact is betrayed by your own words, when you say that God is love and then say separately that Christ is love, when Jesus is God. There is only one God, albeit in three Divine Persons, there is only one Almighty God. In Isaiah, by the Holy Spirit in him as a prophet, Jesus is described as both the Father and Almighty God. In several places in holy Scripture, we learned that all things that exist were created by and through Jesus, making him the Creator God. We also learn Jesus did not consider it robbery to be considered equal to God.

            Mormons believe that Jesus came into being as a result of the sexual intercourse between a Mormon god and his wife. Further, they say that Lucifer was his brother and thus as a being, equal to Jesus. In all of this they deny the deity of Christ, they deny His self existence, they deny Him as Creator; all of which is contrary to Scripture and which makes the LDS Christ a wholly different Christ than the biblical Christ. So while they believe in Christ, it is a completely different Christ then we find in Scripture.

            It is so simplistic and dishonoring to God for people to constantly talk about him being a God of love, although surely he is that; but, forget He is also a God of divine justice and he will not compromise his justice at the expense of his love. Both must be perfectly satisfied, which he accomplished when Christ paid for our sins. When Jesus suffered and died, he paid for all of our sins and thus satisfied God’s justice, while in satisfying that justice it was the ultimate expression of selfless, self sacrificial love.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Mormons believe that God put Jesus’S spirit into Mary.. not though sex. Lol. Mormons al so believe we are all His children. Therefore, we are all siblings. Jesus is our brother in spirit. Satan was a fallen angel. As an angel, he was also one of God’s children. . Now he seeks evil bUT is also part of spiritual law. As there is light there is night and so forth. Mormons also believe that Jesus created the earth etc under God’s instruction. I will be back to see that scripture in Isaiah 🙂

          • Neiman

            I know you are sincere and that none but the Holy Spirit will ever be able to break your allegiance to the LDS. I know that your churches uses very similar language to the language Christians use to defend their faith, so when debating with people of the LDS, it is very hard because while the language is the same, the words strikingly identical, the definitions and base understanding of those words differ dramatically.

            I will try and be brief:

            God is not only our ruler and creator; he is also our Heavenly Father. . . . Every person who was ever born on earth was our spirit brother or sister in heaven. The first spirit born to our heavenly parents was Jesus (see D&C 93:21), so he is literally our elder brother (see Discourses of Brigham Young, p. 26). Because we are the spiritual children of our heavenly parents, we have inherited the potential to develop their divine qualities. (Gospel Principles, 1997, p. 11

            So, if Jesus was born, there was a time when He did not exist and is not one with the Father, but only one of the many spirit children alluded to in Mormon doctrine; Yet, in Isaiah we read:

            “Isaiah 9:6 —“For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.”

            Exodus 3:14, “And God said unto Moses, I AM
            THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.”

            John 8:58, “Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.”

            Revelation 1:8, “I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.”

            (Colossians 1:16-17)–“For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created by Him and for Him. 17And He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.”

            The point of all of the above is that from Genesis to Revelation, Jesus and the Father are described by identical terms, that is because they are the One Almighty God. I’ve shown you where in Isaiah Jesus is identified as being of exactly the same nature and titles. Jesus used the words I AM, which means self existent one, the cause for which he was crucified, namely, his claim to be Almighty God the Creator. That being perfectly clear, contrary to Mormon doctrine, he could not possibly have come into time and space as a spirit child of a Mormon God, as he is the one Almighty God and nothing existed before him. Yes, as the living word of God being of the exact nature of God, he was incarnated in the flesh and as you said, as to his flesh and only his flesh, his mother was Mary and she was overcome by the Holy Spirit. But, He was always God in Spirit, the One Almighty God.

            Your Mormon children are taught the following:

            On first hearing, the doctrine that Lucifer and our Lord, Jesus Christ, are brothers may seem surprising to some — especially to those unacquainted with latter-day revelations. But both the scriptures and the prophets affirm that Jesus Christ and Lucifer are indeed offspring of our Heavenly Father and, therefore, spirit brothers. Jesus Christ was with the Father from the beginning. Lucifer, too, was an angel who was in authority in the presence of God, a son of the morning. (See Isa. 14:12; D&C 76:25-27.) Both Jesus and Lucifer were strong leaders with great knowledge and influence. But as the Firstborn of the Father, Jesus was Lucifer’s older brother. (See Col. 1:15; D&C 93:21.)

            God lives in the family unit. He is our Father in heaven—the literal and personal Father of the spirits of all men. He begat us; we are the offspring of Heavenly Parents: we have an Eternal Father and an Eternal Mother. We were born as spirits, and we dwelt in the presence of our Eternal Parents; we lived before our mortal birth. As spirits we were in all respects as we are now save only that we were not housed in mortal bodies as is the present circumstance. Christ was the
            Firstborn of all the heavenly host; Lucifer was a son of the morning: each of us came into being as conscious identities in our appointed order; and Christ is our Elder Brother. (The Mortal Messiah, vol. 1, p. 21)

            I could go on and on, but my purpose is not to engage in endless debates. This only results in prolonged and vain disputations. What I wanted to demonstrate was that I have not testified falsely about Mormon doctrine and I wanted to compare that doctrine to what is taught in holy Scripture. Which I know Joseph Smith insisted was wrongly interpreted. It is clear that the holy Bible teaches that Jesus was, is and always shall be Almighty God, that he had no beginning and will have no end, that he is the creator of all things; and therefore, he could not have been born as a spirit child of a Mormon god and certainly is not the brother of Lucifer.

            According to the free will of God you are able to choose what you want to believe, but if you seek the truth above all things, I would encourage you to focus your attention not on doctrines, but on the person of Jesus Christ. Who is Jesus? Is He one of countless spirit children of a Mormon God, who just happened to be anointed by that Mormon God to be our Savior; or, is he Almighty God and thus self existent? It is critical that you try and find out who Jesus really is, as your salvation and your eternity rests upon the absolutely truthful answer to that question.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Neiman, I’ve felt the Holy Spirit so strong it felt like I was in a different dimension of bliss and happiness. I joined the church because I saw a light glowing around my in laws and a warm and comfortable feeling when I entered their room. I sEE the same light around my church family and the same warmth. God chose this church for me, you see. And it was the best thing I could have evet done for myself aND my children. Ok scriptural reference. BTW it’s not abut who is right or what is right. The holy ghost will testify to everything. We have to be open to it though. Earthly desires will draw us away for the spirit. John 8:28, John 8:14, John 14:28, Luke 22:42, Matthew 27:46, Luke 23:46, Luke 22:41. To finish my last post. 🙂 but you know? In our churt we never talk bad about other faiths. We have church for 3 hours on Sunday and we talk about how to be more Christ like. We pass around sign up sheets and each member volunteers their time, car, anything to help other members and non member causes alike. Every Sunday my heart is filled with joy and the Holy Ghost comes on very strong during Sacrament. I feel the warmth, the light, and the happiness and joy of living for Christ. We love our Savior with all our heart. Even death doesn’t scare us. Because we know we can be with Him. The Father and the Son. We have joy because our lives are centreed around Jesus and the Fathe and our mission here on earth, to help others and spread the Gospel. Amen

          • Neiman

            There is no way to argue against emotions, there is no objective, scriptural way to “come and reason together” over the emotions of another person. Emotions and reason often oppose one another. That is no way to find the truth.

            Don’t you think that it would be in the best interests of the enemy of our souls to get our minds on our feelings rather than on God’s Word and thereby deceive us? Should we trust our feelings if eternity is at stake? Surely we should trust only in God and His Word, even when His Word runs contrary to our feelings. I am sorry, but our feelings are a very poor foundation for eternal truth.

            “Out-of-control emotions are the product of a heart which is not saturated with Scripture. The way to control our emotions is to control our minds, renewing them by the daily input of
            scriptural principles, the knowledge of God, and meditation on His attributes. Then the Holy Spirit, along with the Word of God, will bring about appropriate emotions based on truth. When we immerse ourselves in the only means of our sanctification—the Bible—we arm ourselves with the only effective weapon against out-of-control emotions. Then we can
            control our emotions instead of them controlling us. In themselves, emotions are not unbiblical, but they are indications of what is in our hearts (Luke 6:45).”

            Unfortunately, your beliefs in your god and your Jesus are not based on God’s Word, but on the false teachings of your discredited prophet and his descendents, on your emotions and your emotions can and will betray you. Your Church denies biblical truth that Jesus had no beginning and no end, it denies that He is the eternal, everlasting God and He and the Father are One Almighty God, as your church believes that Jesus had a beginning. It places Him on the same level as every other human being (spirit children) and thus denies His self existence and His eternal nature as the Creator.

            This is all your choice, you have a right to your emotions and to be a part of such an anti-Christ religious group; but, if your beliefs are not based only on God’s Word and if your Jesus is not the Almighty God of the Holy Bible, your emotions may have everlasting and horrific consequences.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Lol Neiman, is the Holy Ghost an emotion? That is what you are saying in your comment here. The holy ghost testifies of the truth my friend. You can believe what you want but all churches that believe in Christ are Christians. And we have the same Jesus and God. Also, if you cannot understand what the Holy Ghost feels like then you have never felt it. There fore the Holy Ghost is an emotion to you. It’s not. It’s a member of the God head and the spiritual experienceS I have had are many. God and I are very close. He loves all of us and gives us that opportunity mind you. There is no need to put down any church that is God loving and believes in Christ. Instead, we should focustomers our efforts on positive things. By loving others and doing service, we do Christ’s work. Ok going to sacrament.Amen

          • Neiman

            No, I am saying your emotions are not the Holy Spirit or proof that it is not some other spirit, a spirit of hell meant to deceive you through your emotions. Satan can appear to people as a being of light, he is a Deceiver and so how do you know it is God the Holy Spirit?

            I am saying that your Jesus is not the self-existing Son of God, your Jesus came into time as a result of bring born of the being you think is God the Father and by your own church teachings, is only one of many gods. Thus, that which you think, you “feel” is the Holy Spirit cannot be the Holy Spirit of the Holy Bible.

            What if, like the Jehovah Witnesses who say they too believe in Jesus, but to them he is the archangel Gabriel. Is their Jesus the Jesus of the Bible, will faith in him save anyone? What of those religions that believe in a million gods, are they too children of God and will they be saved by following those gods?

            What of your reliance on works, will good works save an atheist or anyone that is not born again in Christ? Good works may lessen your punishments in hell, but they will not save your soul. What of your love? many gays believe they love God, while they engage of the idolatrous sexual immorality, will that save them? So much for works or love that is not of God.

            What we believe must be based not on our emotions, but on “thus saith the Lord,” it must be based on His Word alone and we must be aware that our emotions can deceive us and that Satan will use them to deceive us and lead us away from God. Emotions are ever shifting things influenced by external factors and cnnoot be relied upon. If we say we believe in Jesus, but that Jesus is not based on “thus saith the Lord” about Who that Jesus is, how can belief in that Jesus save us or make us brothers with them?

            Who is Jesus

            “who did Jesus claim to be? Who does the Bible say He is? First, let’s look at Jesus’ words in John 10:30, “I and the Father are one.” At first glance, this might not seem to be a
            claim to be God. However, look at the Jews’ reaction to His statement, “‘We are not stoning you for any of these,’ replied the Jews, ‘but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God’” (John 10:33).The Jews understood Jesus’ statement as a claim to be God. In the following verses, Jesus never corrects the Jews by saying, “I did not claim to be God.” That indicates Jesus was truly saying He was God by declaring, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). John 8:58
            is another example: “‘I tell you the truth,’ Jesus answered, ‘before Abraham was born, I am!’” Again, in response, the Jews took up stones inan attempt to stone Jesus (John 8:59). Jesus’ announcing His identity as “I am” is a direct application of the Old Testament name for God (Exodus 3:14).Why would the Jews again want to stone Jesus if He had not said something they believed to be blasphemous, namely, a claim to be God?

            John 1:1 says “the Word was God.” John 1:14 says “the Word became flesh.” This clearly indicates that Jesus is God in the flesh. Thomas the disciple declared to Jesus, “My Lord and my God” (John 20:28). Jesus does not correct him. The apostle Paul describes Him as, “…our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ” (Titus 2:13). The apostle Peter says the same, “…our God and Savior Jesus Christ” (2 Peter 1:1). God the Father is witness of Jesus’ full identity as well, “But about
            the Son he says, ‘Your throne, O God, will last forever and ever, and righteousness will be the scepter of your kingdom.’” Old Testament prophecies of Christ announce His deity, “For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace” (Isaiah 9:6).

            Why is the question over Jesus’ true identity so important? Why does it matter whether or not Jesus is God? The most important reason that Jesus has to be God is that if He is not
            God, His death would not have been sufficient to pay the penalty for thesins of the whole world (1 John 2:2). Only God could pay such an infinite penalty (Romans 5:8; 2 Corinthians 5:21).Jesus had to be God so that He could pay our debt. Jesus had to be man so He could die. Salvation is available only through faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus’ deity is why He is the only way of salvation. Jesus’ deity is why He proclaimed, “I am the way and the truth and the life. Noone comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6).

            Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/who-is-Jesus.html#ixzz3JGMKmr3R

            Who is the Holy Spirit?
            “There are many misconceptions about the identity of the Holy Spirit. Some view the Holy Spirit as a mystical force. Others understand the Holy Spirit as the impersonal power that God makes available to followers of Christ. What does the Bible say about the identity of the Holy Spirit? Simply put, the Bible declares that the Holy Spirit is God. The Bible also tells us that the Holy Spirit is a divine person, a being with a mind, emotions, and a will.

            The fact that the Holy Spirit is God is clearly seen in many Scriptures, including Acts 5:3-4.In this verse Peter confronts Ananias as to why he lied to the Holy Spirit and tells him that he had “not lied to men but to God.” It is a clear declaration that lying to the Holy Spirit is lying to God. We can also know that the Holy Spirit is God because He possesses the characteristics of God. For example, His omnipresence is seen in Psalm 139:7-8,“Where can I go from your Spirit? Where can I flee from your presence? If I go up to the heavens, you are there; if I make my bed in the depths, you are there.” Then in 1 Corinthians 2:10-11,we see the characteristic of omniscience in the Holy Spirit. “But God
            has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man’s spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.”

            We can know that the Holy Spirit is indeed a divine person because He possesses a mind, emotions, and a will. The Holy Spirit thinks and knows(1 Corinthians 2:10). The Holy Spirit can be grieved (Ephesians 4:30). The Spirit intercedes for us (Romans 8:26-27). He makes decisions according to His will (1 Corinthians 12:7-11).The Holy Spirit is God, the third Person of the Trinity. As God, the Holy Spirit can truly function as the Comforter and Counselor that Jesus promised He would be (John 14:16, 26, 15:26).

            Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/who-Holy-Spirit.html#ixzz3JGMtk7bM

            Who your Jesus is, who the Holy Spirit is, according To God’s Word and your submission to Gods Word, not your emotions will determine whether or not you are saved; and, your Jesus, your Holy Spirit are not as God tells us in His Word.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Hi Neiman, I love and appreciate the scripture references. 🙂 Jesus was of flesh but He was immortal. John 10:18. He is and was the Son of God. His will is aligned with the Lord’s and He His purpose is One with the Lord’s. Jesus is the Son of God. He was the only Begotten son. God loves us so much He sent His Son to die for us. In the form of a human so that he could serve as a proxy for us. Jesus is God of course, but Heavenly Father is the light. Many near death experiences also show them as being separate. Also, yes, that’s right the Holy Ghost is our guide and confirms our choices or provides us with promptings and is God. We are so blessed to have God so close to us in our lives. We need to bow and thank the Lord for probiding us with the Savior, and thank the Savior for being so kind and gracious and loving. To give thanks to the Savior, there is a great way to do this. By loving one another and doing service, being there for people in times of tribulation so Satan cannot tempt them, by doing good works, we can ease their sin and ease our Savior’S suffering. As for emotions or whatever, when we have God in our lives and live for Him, those things become less important because we are more focused on pleasing the Lord, not pleasing men. Once we have a broken heart and contrite spirit and are humble and devote oursleves to working for the Savior we become closer to Him. The Savior is our only way to Heaven Amen.

          • Neiman

            It all sounds lovely, sweet and very Mormon of you. It is what I would expect from any die hard Mormon, a very Christian appearing, loving response that makes everyone feel good. In fact it sounds extremely doctrinaire and what most Christians should say.

            There is only one problem: If your words were true, you would have to deny your own LDS teachings, as its Jesus and the Jesus of the Bible are completely different. As I have documented the LDS Jesus came into being as one of many spirit children of your god, he was/is the brother of Lucifer and is not the eternally self existent Almighty God.

            You must resolve that difference for yourself, but I am satisfied the LDS Jesus is one of many false Christ’s that have been created by men and that means He is not the Jesus of the Bible and can save no one.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Lol, Neiman, the LDS people are incredibly spiritual. We are on the right track. We already know. Not to say you aren’t either. Jesus is Jesus and He is one of the same. For us and for you. There is no need to argue that because it is what it is. 🙂 k have a great day

          • Neiman

            Being spiritual is absolutely meaningless, so are spirit mediums of demonic religions. It has absolutely no meaning to the Christian faith.

            You say say that “Jesus is Jesus.” That is completely nonsensical and defies all sense of reason. So, if the little Mexican boy down the road is called Jesus, or a particular denomination says their Jesus is really an Archangel or anyone else that is named Jesus and is worshiped as Jesus, is the same Jesus of the Holy Bible? Will all these people named Jesus be able to save anyone? Can’t you see how incredibly stupid that statement is?

            Based on your previous statements where you base your salvation on your emotions and now where you claim anyone named Jesus is the real Jesus and can equally save, I must doubt your intellectual capacity and/or your maturity as a human being.

            As the Jesus of the Holy Bible is described as being Almighty God and the everlasting Father, the Creator of everything that exists; and, your Mormon Jesus is neither of these things, being created at a point in time, those two Jesus’ are wholly contradictory to one another. So to suggest that just because they are both called Jesus that they can both save souls and that groups serve the same Jesus, either means you are unable to reason as an adult, you are complete deceived or you are terribly immature.

            If you want to have faith in your Jesus, based on your emotions, that is your choice; but, if you really have faith in him, it demands that you reject any other Jesus that is not the Mormon Jesus or you are a terribly confused human being.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            I wrote my answer in the new post below, sorry I got busy lol but never to busy to tell you or anyone that the Mormon faith is not an evil or bad faith whatsoever. Every faith is good for the most part, some are just crazy, but anything that brings us to Christ and teaches us to be good ChristianS is a good faith. Even Buddhist teachings are very similar to Christ’s teachings. Buddha was a prophet human but reached nirvana becoming One with God. Now 850 million people worship him as God. Just think about that. We can be One with God too. But Jesus, the Mormons believe was God. Not the Father but connected in spirit of flesh and spirit of spirit. The difference being humans are flesh and spirit. Ok gotta get ready for church. Thanks for the discussion 🙂

      • sherrin smitty

        really, my sister in law ,is a Mormon nicest person that could be. She is a very good sister she loves her brother and sisters, But she doesn’t like her in law, anybody that’s married to one of the brothers or sisters .She says it a very nice way that you are not in control of him I am. ,she will not admit she is wrong she will not apologize for anything . she’s a monster .yeah maybe she thinks she’s God

        • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

          Lol, can’t we all be monsters sometimes? I mean, has a negative thought never crossed your mind? It’s not us, it’s the evil energy around us. We are easily influenced by evil energy because we keep partaking the fruit like Eve did. She wasn’t mean because she was Mormon, she was mean because she is weak in her flesh like we all are at times.

      • jmichael39

        Forgive me, Linda. I will not pretend to be an expert on Mormonism or any other world religion. But I do know there are some very very deeply disturbing and unbiblical teachings in Mormonism. Here is a link to a good sight where there are plenty of citations and references for you to research.

        http://carm.org/mormonism

        Among the more disturbing teachings:

        After you become a good Mormon, you have the potential of becoming a god, (Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 345-347, 354.)
        “Then shall they be gods, because they have no end; therefore shall they be from everlasting to everlasting, because they continue; then shall they be above all, because all things are subject unto them. Then shall they be gods, because they have all power, and the angels are subject unto them,” (D&C 132:20).
        The trinity is three separate Gods: The Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. “That these three are separate individuals, physically distinct from each other, is demonstrated by the accepted records of divine dealings with man,” (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 35).
        The first spirit to be born in heaven was Jesus, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 129).
        Jesus and Satan are spirit brothers and we were all born as siblings in heaven to them both, (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).
        Jesus’ sacrifice was not able to cleanse us from all our sins, (murder and repeated adultery are exceptions), (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, 1856, p. 247).

        • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

          Jmichael, guess what? It’s true. Read Corinthians. “Forget Ye Not that the Spirit of God Dwells Inside Of you.” We are all God’s children. We carry His Spirit in us. Thus, we are temples carrying the Holy Spirit of God in us. In fact, based on this, it means we all carry a portion of God’s spirit inside of us. If this is the case, we will all become One with God, thus giving back our portion of spirit to Him. Mormons only believe in one God. Not several. But based on the bible and Joseph Smith’S revelation if we are truly reborn then we shed all earthly desires and matters and dedicate ourselves to God. That is what Mormons do. And they strive hard to be Christ like so that Christ doesn’t have to suffer as much. The more sin we commit, the more Christ suffers. Those of us that say we are saved we are saved and do tequila shots and go to strip clubs, just think how much the devil is laughing because they have been deceived. We are saved through Grace alone, it’s our only ticket to Heaven our Savior is our only way but he said in the scriptures how we had to be for No unclean thing may dwell in the kingdom of heaven. Mormons work hard to live like the Savior and help and love everyone members and non members alike to honor our Lord

          • jmichael39

            There’s some serious hermeneutical problems with what you just wrote. We do not “carry a portion” of the Holy Spirit in us, like He’s some pocketwatch. He dwells in us independent of us. There is nothing in that passage or any other that implies that He imbues His divine nature upon us independent of His presence. And although it clearly appears that you reject the notion that we can become gods, there is little doubt that the highest of teachings within the Mormon faith DO believe that. All your post proves is that you, as a Mormon, reject certain doctrinal fallacies in the Mormon faith.
            Aside from that, there is little in your reply that addresses the various concerns that there are nature of the Mormon theology. This, again, is not to say either that there are not similarly disturbing dogmas in virtually every denomination or that there are not Mormons who do not accept those theological fallacies and walk in the guidance of the Holy Spirit.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            I love the way u comment it really shows you are truly an intelligent man. Honestly I love all that the LDS church teaches. We are taught to be Christ like. Psalm 82:6, Matt 5:48, John 10:34, Acts 17:29, Romans 8:17, .. we are God’s offspring. In Heaven people that died Called him the light. So bright and full of love and happiness and this amazing spirit that lives inside of our weak flesh is God’s very spirit. We have our own personality and the more we choose earthly desires over spiritual growth, the more we succumb to Satan. God’s spirit is not a pocket watch certainly bUT we do have it in us. It’s so important to understand that Christ our Savior was the only Begotten son, He was the only human that was immortal because even his flesh was strong and steadfast as God is, and Jesus was God but He was God’S son. We are too God’s children, therefore in spirit we are part of Him therefore have a Divine nature. Thus we must focus on being perfect like Him. The more we focus on a perfect balance of things and all Love, the closer we get to Jesus and our Spirit. Once you get to this special place (Buddha experienced it, and called it Nirvana). We can too. I have experienced it too by grace of God. But the more I work, and focus on survival, the more I become more earthly. . That is the temptation here on earth. In Genesis the fall, we always partake the fruit and of the tree because we are bound to wanting to live well on earth. When really all that stuff doesn’t even matter. And this is what Jesus was preaching in his day. Bless Him and Bless our beloved Father who loves us all so much. Amen

          • jmichael39

            Thank you for you kind words and your attitude towards Christ. I won’t try to defend any denomination or even any single man or woman. Even Paul was the “greatest of all sinners”. And the rest of the apostles were ‘no saints’….yes that was a silly attempt at irony.

            I also won’t defend or attack the Mormon Church. They have some very unbiblical doctrines. But as I said, so do virtually all denominations. So long as the I John rule for testing the spirits reveals a person to be in right relations with God, I’m fine.

          • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

            Yup! You sir are a very intelligent and wise man. May God bless you always 🙂

        • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

          Ps. Try mormon.org or lds.org if u really want to know what Mormons believe 😉 any other forum or blog is usually written by a scornful ex mormon who forgot the whole purpose of being LDS and just got lost in the Why’s. Satan’s influence is all over negative religious blogs in general anyway. Honestly who really cares lol, we just need to follow Jesus and please our Father in Heaven regardless of what is going on. Amen 🙂

        • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

          Ohh Joseph was a smart man, really a great prophet. Jesus is our ticket to heaven. But as u can see Satan punishes us here on earth for sins all the time. Ever heard the saying Karma is ab–ch. There is spiritual law. There is day and night, black and white, sun and moon, and other opposites. Why? Because spiritual law is prevalent. If u do something bad to someone, u can believe it will come back to u. That’s what the journal of discouses is saying. Jesus’S sacrifice is what allows us to go to heaven. But in the same token Jesus did say No unclean thing may dwell in the kingdom of heaven. SO simply we already have a ticket to Heaven on that paradise train but we gotta be obedient, respectful, loving, kind, be unyielding to temptation, be more Christ like to be exalted. We will still get to heaven, in fact Joseph talks about the three kingdoms, probably for that reason. The celestisland kingdom where Jesus and Heavenly Father reside and where Exaltation occurs is where the LDS people want to go. So we work hard on oursleves on our flaws. There are other glorys of heaven which are still better than earth but not as amazing as being with our Savior and Father of course. 🙂 Amen

  • Cyrus Weinstein

    Multiple wives would be an absolute nightmare – as this video clip shows:

    http://youtu.be/qYZtads5tj4?t=3m15s

    • Wayne Dequer

      LDS beliefs and practices are the least of the nightmares in this crude video clip which is offensive in language and sexual content. I am surprised that the Christian News Network would allow it to be posted.

      I encourage those interested to read the essays at the official LDS website on plural marriage at http://www.gotquestions.org/theosis.html and https://www.lds.org/topics/plural-marriage-in-kirtland-and-nauvoo?lang=eng. As a member of the LDS faith with 20th and 21st century values and sensibilities, one, and only one, beloved wife, three wonderful daughter, and 3 cherished granddaughters, I have no desire to practice polygamy much less polyandry or marrying teenaged brides. These candid essays provide accurate information and context for understanding practices of the past much as all those with judeo-christian beliefs look back on some biblical events and practices.

  • theworldahead1

    I am not sure if they ever completely denied it, but it’s good that they are publicly declaring it. This is part of their history, and part of who they are as a people; so why deny it? In fact, my recent in depth research into the origins of world religion have discovered that Joseph Smith and the LDS Church may be more correct than any sect of Christianity. At least they don’t deny the idea of a heavenly (spirit) mother; while all of Judaism and Christianity have taken the female counterpart out of the equation. All ancient religions that worshipped a single male deity; always included his female counterpart. I don’t think this was all a coincidence.

    • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

      Hey guess what? If you look at nde statements (near death experience) statements made by the survivors who went to heaven and met Jesus and Heavenly Father, they say Jesus and Heavenly Father are two separate dieties. Even atheists, Christians all say that. So just like Jesus said Judge not lest Ye be judged. It’s ok there are different churches, we just need to love each other as Jesus loves us. Amen

      • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

        Actually this was for Neiman and democratrat.

    • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

      No I personally believe Heavenly mother is very real, and she rules the natural causes on the earth. We say mother naturez we also say mother ear th. . Ok good night lol

  • Nikki Lynn Beals

    linda tannen i agree but then i have to disagree they focus on joseph smitth and the book of mormon and in the bible it speaks of nothing about the book of mormon i will admit they are nice but they are truly decived smith was played by lucifer there is no way christ would give up his church to start a new one no not happaning ever and i dont like how they are sexist because they are the power of preist hood i am sorry thats false too women should be equal thats how god wanted it the mormon religion is a big joke and you all giving lucifer a laugh and a big win

    • http://www.moveupmarketinggroup.com Linda Tannen

      The women has as much power as the men do it the church. Priesthood keys are what men hold and if you remember Jesus is male, God is male in the Christian faith. So it makes sense. However, the prayer of a righteous woman is just as good as a priesthood blessing and a priesthood leader direct from Salt lake told us that. In Genesis, how is Eve portrayed?? She was the first one who partook of the fruit. Do you know why? It’s because she was very spiritual and wanted to know more and wasn’t satisfied with what she had. it was also part of a Plan and anyway, we are equal. The relief society is just as important as the elders quorum 🙂

  • Mary Glatz Haroldsen

    I just want to say some of you act like this is some big realization or something it was known joseph had alot of wives and polygamy was not illegal then and we don’t have it now because it is against the law and mormans abide the law. Second who cares about the young ladies ages, back in the 1800 people married teens and i can bet someone in your family tree back the was married to a teen. So who cares that was then and this was now. I don’t think it matters how many wives he had that was a different time. And in the bible there were many who where married to alot of wives and if people proclaim they follow the bibLe then they shouldn’t be bothered by polygamy. So all i gotta say is REALLY PEOPLE REALLY!