Prominent Pentecostal Preacher Killed in Plane Crash Taught ‘Jesus Is Not the Gospel’

MonroeFREEPORT, Bahamas — This past weekend, following word that the Bahamas most well-known preacher had died in a plane crash, concerns were renewed surrounding the message he taught and left behind, including his assertion that “Jesus is not the gospel.”

Myles Monroe, 60, who led Faith Ministries International and Myles Monroe International in the Bahamas, passed away on Sunday when a private jet carrying him to a leadership conference struck a shipyard crane while approaching Grand Bahama International Airport. His wife Ruth, who served as “co-pastor,” and his daughter Charisa also lost their lives, along with six others on board. Only his son, Myles, Jr., remains as he was not aboard the flight.

Monroe had appeared with a number of popular speakers throughout his 3o-year tenure, including Benny Hinn, T.D. Jakes and Eddie Long. He also was a part of the Promise Keepers gatherings, which sought to help men to be better husbands and fathers. Monroe, an Oral Roberts University graduate, authored numerous self-help books including “Releasing Your Potential,” “Overcoming the Crisis,” “The Spirit of Leadership” and “Waiting and Dating.”

“He was indisputably one of the most globally recognizable religious figures our nation has ever produced,” said Bahamian Prime Minister Perry Christie in a statement following Monroe’s death. “His fame as an ambassador for the Christian ministry preceded him wherever in the world he traveled, whether in the Caribbean, North America, Asia, Europe or Africa.”

In September of this year, Monroe generated controversy in the Bahamas in speaking against homosexuality, stating that homosexual activists had hijacked the civil rights movement. He also faced opposition from Bahamian Foreign Minister Fred Mitchell in stating that the leader’s views on homosexuality do not “represent the majority of the convictions of the Bahamian people.”

But while he faced resistance from the secular world, Christians also expressed concern about other teachings that Monroe promulgated, including his assertion that the message of the gospel is not about Christ’s death and resurrection. These concerns were renewed following word that Monroe had lost his life this past weekend as some considered the legacy that he left behind.

“Jesus is not the gospel,” he stated in a sermon entitled “The Gospel of the Kingdom,” the entirety of which is posted below. “Jesus preached the gospel of the Kingdom. He did not preach Himself. … The good news is the Kingdom, not Jesus.”

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“[T]he gospel is not you must be born again,” Monroe also asserted. “Jesus never preached [being] born again; as a matter of fact, he only mentioned born again once in the entire four gospels. … And he only mentioned it to an old man at three o’clock in the night who woke him up.”

He contended that Christians should rather appeal to the lost by primarily telling them about the benefits Christ offers in His Kingdom as he stated that Jesus was simply a means to an end.

“Do you know why the people on your job really hate Christians right now? Because you are preaching to them Jesus Christ,” Monroe said. “You don’t [need to] be talking about blood and nails and the spear in His side, because that’s not what you’re supposed to be talking about. You’ve got to be talking about how to solve people’s problems. … People aren’t worried about no blood on no cross. They’re worried about how they’re going to make it through the day.”

Despite outrage over Monroe’s comments, those who characterized Monroe as a false teacher are saddened by his passing and ask that others be considerate and not insensitive during this time.

“I didn’t care much for his ministry, but I will not tolerate any gloating over his death,” wrote one man who had exposed Monroe’s unbiblical teaching online. “Our Heavenly Father doesn’t rejoice over the death of the wicked and neither will I.”


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  • Weary Warrior

    Clearly a false teacher. His assertion that Jesus did not teach being “born again” is without foundation. If Jesus said it ONCE, once is enough. Also, we have no idea how many times Jesus may have used that expression. John tells us that all the books in the WORLD would not be able to contain all that Jesus said nor all the miracles He performed. I do not rejoice in his death as it appears he rejected the teachings of the only One who could rescue his soul from Hell.

    • Feeling Fabulous

      AMEN! GLORY TO GOD!

    • Be Vigilent

      This article is erroneous by FAR… I myself have heard Dr.Myles Munroe preach the GOSPEL of Christ and know he comes correct. He specked the TRUTH and nothing but the TRUTH. Hey Jesus Himself went through being accused as a fraud who are we right?

      Guys do better research don’t stop at one shamefully ridiculous article and poor video and believe their lies.

      I refuse and renounce Satan’s plans to kill the work and legacy this man of God left behind.

      • David Matthews

        What these people say or what an article says about a man mean nothing. Weather He is in heaven or not is between him and God. I do find it interesting that he was accused of false witness and then God allowed him and his team to die, all at once.

        • Be Vigilent

          He and his wife died together…can it be beautiful that they went to heaven together? So as the other people who worked with him? God works in mysterious ways. Who says this was a punishment from God? The way I see it..They can all glorify God together as they did on earth.

          All I’m saying is do better research before forming negative opinions.

          • Be Vigilent

            My earlier comment deleted? Goes to show why readers should be very careful what they read and trust on this article. It’s very erroneous, taken far out of context, and I’m trying to explain that’s.

            Do your own research on this man. He is not how he was portrayed in this article.

          • Elizabeth Lynn

            Sadly, that was most likely NOT the case. “Fruit” that he started bearing was NOT good in terms of his WORDS! And sadly, he kept repeating the sMe thing over…. which made it worse. Also, go to these TRUE TESTIMONIES at: http://www.spiritlessons.com
            God bless all….

          • Be Vigilent

            Like I said earlier,in a comment that was deleted, Im one of the few people, who heard this man of God preach live. He never spoke anything against the Truth, Jesus is the Way to everlasting life. This article took excerpts and manipulated his words.Only people who don’t know him would believe it. There are countless videos and books he wrote where you can get a better idea of who he was why stop here?

            Furthermore how can you possibly judge his “fruits” by the way he died. That’s ridiculous! When Peter was hung upside down on a cross and left to die was that his “fruits”? What about Stephen being stoned to death? His fruits? You want yo look at the way he LIVED not died!! The countless lives he touched affected!! The lives he elevated. The people he brought closer to God. I’m a living testimony to that because the last time I heard him speak I was in years because of the words he spoke touched my heart and allowed me to speak to God about my pain.

            Finally, like I said earlier in a comment that was deleted, if Jesus was labeled as a fraud, who are we?!!!

          • John Buchanan

            Amen. Thanks for speaking truth about Myles Munroe. These people commenting on this thread pass judgement on a man they’ve never met or heard. Some of the meanest people on earth are found in churches . You say your born again but where’s the fruit like love, mercy and kindness ? If Jesus changed your life, those things would be evident.

          • Be Vigilent

            Thank you! They don’t know him but want to judge!!

            My comment will be deleted shortly because someone doesn’t want me spreading the truth.

            Shame on whoever keeps deleting my comments!!

          • Calchiefsfan

            I’ve listened to about half that video, and so far he hasn’t said anything that could not be backed up with scripture. According to scripture it is a shameful thing to decide a matter without hearing it out. I do not think that anyone who is denouncing this guy has ever listened to what he was trying to say. His main point is that evangelical focus was always to have been “this Gospel of the kingdom”, including the way we have been given to inherit it – the atoning death, blood, and resurrection of Jesus.

          • T C

            Are you passing judgment on us for judging a man’s teaching as false, as in, heretically false? Hmmm….double standard?

          • Bingo

            You make some fine points. Thank you.

          • Stella Kemunto Nyakundi

            it is not upon man to judge the status of any fellow human being, that is God’s work and He said, let the tares grow with the wheat until the day of the harvest because in the event of uprooting the tares, the workers might mistakenly uproot the wheat because we do not know how to discern between the two.

          • T C

            You’re forgetting large amounts of scripture that say otherwise. We are to judge with right judgment. We are to call out the false teachers as Paul did. We are to run from false teachers as their theology spreads like a cancer and leads many astray. RUN!

          • Chrissy Vee

            Have you seen the post The Case for Idolatry: Why Evangelical Christians Can Worship Idols ?
            Check it out!

          • T C

            Hi Chrissy, no, I haven’t, I’ll check it out.

          • Chrissy Vee

            1 Corinthians 5:11-13

            11But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolator, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
            12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
            13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.

            We are to judge those who call themselves Christians according to this scripture. Also, we are warned that false teachers will be among us. This man is one of them. I don’t say that to hurt anyone’s feelings, but to say the truth according to God’s wisdom and understanding.

    • John Buchanan

      Clearly not a false teacher to those who actually saw him preach the Gospel, which I’m sure you didn’t. Myles didn’t teach people not to be born again, he taught evangelism through message of the Kingdom which includes Holy Spirit power, healing, increase, signs, wonders, and miracles. Look at how many times Jesus preached the Kingdom ? That may not line up with your Baptist theology that limits God to salvation but Jesus didn’t die for tracts to be handed out and an altar call. Jesus said I came that you might have life and have it more abundantly- John 10:10 Getting saved is Christianity 101

      • Larry

        Devisive at best and since all things were created by him and for him I would say the Bible is clear on where to look for salvation. There is no other name given under heaven whereby we must be saved.

        • Dr. Gary Almodovar

          Amen

      • Peter James

        Well he’s burning in hell now. A ravening wolf who appealed to people’s greed. So it’s all about what God can do for you, right? No its about what you can do for God. John the Baptist said he must increase and I MUST DECREASE. And if you don’t put all your faith and trust In jesus you’re gonna end up being tormented in ceaseless flames on hell where your worm never dies like this false teacher, who without a doubt, is suffering the eternal torment of hellfire for all eternity for his blasphemy and unbelief

        • Bingo

          Stop it. No one is burning in hell yet. Judgment has not happened, and you need to exercise a little mercy. You don’t really know the man’s heart, but the Lord does.

          • Elizabeth Lynn

            Mercy is ONLY GOVEN WHILE ON earth, NOT when youre finally INSIDE the earth. Understand? Its clear that the Lord COULD HAVE protected him, but He didnt…. because the ONLY why” the KINGDOM was even possible in the first place was BECAUSE OF JESUS CHRIST…. not any other reason whatsoever! You MUST preach about JESUS CHRIST AND being “born again” because that is the ONLY WAY INTO the KINGDOM of God. Sadly, this man and his family suffered, as a result of his FALSE preaching WORDS….. WORDS….. WORDS…. WORDS!!!!!! Understand?So obviously, he died for a reason….. and it probably WASN’T a good reason…. sadly. God bless.

          • Bingo

            What are you talking about? Jesus Christ is the King, and He alone is preached by me and everyone I know who knows Him. As I said before, if he was preaching an entirely false gospel, then God could remove him, as He has done with some people before. In the meantime, thank God that he did receive Jesus Christ as His Saviour so that he belongs to that Kingdom he preached about. People don’t lose salvation because of what they do or say. All his sins were removed at Calvary.

            No one is in hellfire yet, as Judgment Day has not taken place.

          • Holly B

            The sin that Jesus died for was the ‘original sin’, not all sins we commit past, present, and future.. when we repent, and are baptized in Jesus name – then we are forgiven of sins past and He remembers them no more. We will sin and that is when we repent but we are suppose to fully repent and turn away and commit that sin no more. But being flesh it is very difficult to do this with satan and his dominions coming against you, but with Christ all things are possible.

          • Bingo

            Original sin? Nonsense. Jesus has died for all the sins of the entire world for all time. Jesus has cleansed us who believe and repent of all our sins—past, present and future. His blood is continually cleansing us according to 1 John 1:7. Jesus’ blood wiped away all our sins, curses, condemnation, diseases and death.

            1 John 1:7
            But if we are living in the light, as God is in the light, then we have fellowship with each other, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, cleanses us from all sin.

            The verb, “cleanses”, in the original, is in the tense that signifies continual action.

          • Linda Hudson

            Holly B….sorry, but that is not true. Jesus died for all sins, past, present and future!! Simple as that. But He, having offered one sacrifice for sins for all time, SAT DOWN AT THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD, waiting from that time onward UNTIL HIS ENEMIES BE MADE A FOOTSTOOL FOR HIS FEET. For by one offering He has perfected for all time those who are sanctified. Hebrews 10:12-14
            These verses state that the blood of the Lord Jesus cleanses us from all sins for all time. “All” sins include past, present, and future sins.
            And we do not have to be baptized in order for our sins to be forgiven. If that were true, then Jesus lied to the thief on the cross when He said that “today you will be with Me in paradise.” There was no baptism for that thief, but there was salvation.

          • Holly B

            Linda B…. Yes all were forgiven past, present, and future IF THEY BELIEVE, that is the key word BELIEVE. Yes you have to be baptized in order to become a new creature. There are a lot of scriptures that state you MUST BE BAPTIZED… As for the thief, Jesus told the thief on the cross, “Truly, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise” (Luke 23:43).
            Where was Jesus going that day? To heaven. The reference to Paradise
            indicated that Jesus ACCEPTED THE FAITH of the man on the cross and PROVIDED SALVATION to him that began that day in heaven with the Lord. Jesus had not yet died and gave the thief SALVATION because HE FULLY REPENTED AND WAS FORGIVEN.

          • Bingo

            No we do not have to be baptized to become a new creature in Christ. That occurs at the point of placing one’s faith in Jesus Christ, receiving His life in exchange for our sin. Christians are called to submit to baptism. Unbelievers are not.

          • Holly B

            Yes you do Bingo! Whoever repents and gives their life to Christ MUST be baptized. All are given a choice!!

            Acts 2:38
            – Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you
            in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall
            receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

            1 Peter 3:21
            – The like figure whereunto [even] baptism doth also now save us (not
            the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good
            conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

            Matthew 3:11
            – I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance: but he that cometh
            after me is mightier than I, whose shoes I am not worthy to bear: he
            shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and [with] fire:

            Acts 22:16 – And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.

            Mark 16:16 – He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.

            Romans 6:4
            – Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as
            Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so
            we also should walk in newness of life.

            John 3:5
            – Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born
            of water and [of] the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.

            Acts 10:48 – And he commanded them to be baptized in the name of the Lord. Then prayed they him to tarry certain days.

            Galatians 3:27 – For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

            Acts 8:36-39
            – And as they went on [their] way, they came unto a certain water: and
            the eunuch said, See, [here is] water; what doth hinder me to be
            baptized? (Read More…)

            Matthew 28:18-20 – And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. (Read More…)

            Matthew 28:19 – Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

            Colossians 2:12
            – Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with [him]
            through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the
            dead.

            Acts 2:41
            – Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same
            day there were added [unto them] about three thousand souls.

            Matthew 3:16
            – And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the
            water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit
            of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:

            Acts 10:47 – Can any man forbid water, that these should not be baptized, which have received the Holy Ghost as well as we?

            Acts 8:38
            – And he commanded the chariot to stand still: and they went down both
            into the water, both Philip and the eunuch; and he baptized him.

            1 Corinthians 6:11
            – And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified,
            but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of
            our God.

            Romans 6:3 – Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?

          • Bingo

            Nope. Not one single person gains heaven by being dunked in water. Water baptism is a command for those who have already experienced salvation. You need to disassociate with denominational error.

          • Holly B

            John 3:3-8 you have to be born of the WATER & SPIRIT TO ENTER HEAVEN!! ((And this is NOT natural birth born of water, this is baptism))!!!!

          • Bingo

            It’s so typical of baptism(works)-for-salvation proponents to revert to John 3, but are completely unaware of the understanding that Jesus isn’t talking about baptism in any way.

            It is ONLY about the contrast between natural birth and spiritual rebirth BY FAITH.

            If you want to add baptism as a work for salvation, that is your prerogative, but it has nothing to do with it, and so you miss the very real truth, and are guilty of spreading lies when you teach it and argue for it.

          • Holly B

            You Bingo are what sends people to hell!!! You are so judgmental and lost. Go your way and say no more!!! Miss think you know it all!!

          • Bingo

            You are hopelessly judgmental and seem to have an envious spirit. I stopped posting here a while ago, but you’ve just resurrected this “discussion” with more slimy and immature rhetoric.

          • Holly B

            LOL like you know what spirit I have – you should be worrying about yours!! You are a wicked person speaking false lies and sending people in the wrong direction. Clearly you are not knowledgeable in God’s Word nor can you interpret….. clearly.

          • Bingo

            Oh, I am sure you really would like to know the Spirit I have. He is Holy Spirit, the spirit of Christ living and working in and through me. Perhaps you’d like to know Him, too?

            You have no clue what is truth and what is a lie—that is extremely obvious.

          • Holly B

            LOL I never said baptism as a work – I am saying a NECESSITY…… Again you are confused… You are a false speaker!! We were already given salvation AT THE CROSS.

          • Bingo

            Water baptism is a command for believers. It is NOT a necessity for salvation. Yes, salvation was gained for us at the cross of Calvary by the death and shed blood of Jesus Christ!

            Stop being a confuser here, trying to add works to salvation, which is contrary to Jesus Christ and all He did for us. We are baptized in obedience to God to identify with the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus to the world.

          • Linda Hudson

            @Holly B…..all I can say is WOW!!! You sure do change your “mind” a lot….first you say not all sins were forgiven (check your earlier post), then you agree with me. But then you go on to twist the truth. I defy you to prove to me that scripture says you MUST BE baptized. I dare say you will not find that in God’s Holy Word at all. Repent and be baptized is what was said. However, you also messed up the truth about the thief on the cross. Do you go to church or listen to any pastors at all? You will find, if you listen to Bible believing, teaching pastors, that you are making stuff up. And you do not need to be yelling at me nor acting like you know more about scripture than I do. I have probably forgotten more than you will ever know.

          • BranonDavies

            Our dos and don’ts are not what will give us a place in the presence of Jesus our Lord. For by grace we all who believe have been saved through faith. If someone tells you that Jesus is not the gospel and that His death and resurrection for sinners should not be preached, that person is none of Christ, for he or she does not know the gospel and does not have the gospel. The good news is Christ’s death for sinners that any who believes in Him should have eternal life. The death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ is not for our worldly prosperity or to meet our needs here on earth, doubtless, he keeps us.

          • Bingo

            That’s right…so people need to stop judging people on what they do and don’t do and what they say or don’t say. If Mr Munroe had accepted Jesus Christ as Lord and Saviour, then that alone has gained him acceptance with God as His child. God doesn’t renege on His adoptions.

          • DontLikeWimps

            Whoa…so now you are preaching once saved always saved?? Your words and actions are being written down by God and you will be held accountable for everyone of them!!! So what you are saying is you can accept Jesus today and go steal or murder tomorrow… But you will still be saved?!!!! Lady you have everything WRONG….better stop talking now, you are spreading false doctrine…

          • Bingo

            So, God’s grace is that easily nullified if one person gets one thing wrong? wow…I didn’t know God’s grace was that flimsy.

            No
            one who has had an encounter with Jesus has the desire to sin. You are
            spreading a false belief and it will be accounted to you in the end. Does God love me only if I behave? That kind of message from people is NOT THE MINISTRY OF GRACE. That attitude angers God.

            God says “I will remember your sins no more”!!

            Hebrews 8:12
            For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”

            And Hebrews 10:15-18
            The Holy Spirit also testifies to us about this. First he says:

            16 “This is the covenant I will make with them after that time, says the Lord. I will put my laws in their hearts, and I will write them on their minds.”

            17 Then he adds:
            “Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.” 18 And where these have been forgiven, sacrifice for sin is no longer necessary.

          • Jean Adams

            You’re right You gain salvation through Christ, then you have to live your life according to the GOSPEL Jesus said HE came to preach.

          • Johnnie Mallery

            He isn’t saying that at all we are only taught the miracles and high points of his beloved life . I love Jesus above all others and I believed all the teachings of the of the gospel read Acts

          • Jean Adams

            Christ’s death and resurrection should be preached. Jesus said “I come to preach The Gospel of The Kingdom of God” That also should be preached. Is that not what Monroe was doing? Preaching Salvation through Jesus and also The Gospel Jesus said he came to preach.

          • Bingo

            Yes, the mercy of God is extended to all while alive. Other than that, your conclusions are pretty dire, and accusatory. I am saddened that you think that God judges people by taking their lives, rather than bringing His kind of correction, flavoured by His boundless mercy…something you don’t seem to understand.

          • Holly B

            Bingo – he is either in hell or he’s in the presence of the Lord – there is no in between! Yes people are in hell right this minute – take the rich man and Lazarus in Luke 16:19-31 –

            19 Jesus said, “There was a certain rich man who was splendidly clothed in purple and fine linen and who lived each day in luxury. 20 At his gate lay a poor man named Lazarus who was covered with sores. 21 As Lazarus lay there longing for scraps from the rich man’s table, the dogs would come and lick his open sores.

            22 “Finally, the poor man died and was carried by the angels to be with Abraham.[a] The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and his soul went to the place of the dead.[b] There, in torment, he saw Abraham in the far distance with Lazarus at his side.

            24 “The
            rich man shouted, ‘Father Abraham, have some pity! Send Lazarus over
            here to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue. I am in
            anguish in these flames.’

            25 “But
            Abraham said to him, ‘Son, remember that during your lifetime you had
            everything you wanted, and Lazarus had nothing. So now he is here being
            comforted, and you are in anguish. 26 And
            besides, there is a great chasm separating us. No one can cross over to
            you from here, and no one can cross over to us from there.’

            27 “Then the rich man said, ‘Please, Father Abraham, at least send him to my father’s home. 28 For I have five brothers, and I want him to warn them so they don’t end up in this place of torment.’

            29 “But Abraham said, ‘Moses and the prophets have warned them. Your brothers can read what they wrote.’

            30 “The
            rich man replied, ‘No, Father Abraham! But if someone is sent to them
            from the dead, then they will repent of their sins and turn to God.’

            31 “But
            Abraham said, ‘If they won’t listen to Moses and the prophets, they
            won’t be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead.’”

          • Bingo

            Everyone who has died without Christ is not in hell yet. They are in Hades—the place of the dead, where they await their particular resurrection (not the first resurrection for all believers) and Judgment Day. People refer to Hades as hell, because it is the place where the unrighteous go at death, but it isn”t the lake of fire “hell” that the bible talks about.

            Revelation 20:5-6
            This is the first resurrection. (The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years had ended.) 6 Blessed
            and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. For them the second death holds no power, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him a thousand years.

          • Holly B

            There is still tormenting for the unrighteous going on now in Hades.

          • Bingo

            Yes, only because they know what’s coming.

          • Bingo

            Yes, an unbeliever who dies will be in torment knowing he will face Judgment.

          • Chrissy Vee

            They are in hell until judgement and then they will be thrown into the lake of fire “with” hell.

          • Bingo

            Yes, that is right…hell as in Hades, Sheol or the place of the dead, or the grave, but not hell as in the Lake of Fire. The problem with the word is why I don’t use it in the way you and many people do.

            Revelation 20:14
            Then Death and Hades were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

          • Chrissy Vee

            In what way did I use it that you were compelled to say “the way you and many people do”?
            P.S. And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. Luke 16:23..
            That doesn’t say “And in the lake of fire…”

          • Bingo

            Many people claim that when an unbeliever dies he goes straight to hell(fire). Hence the curse that goes along with that belief.

          • Chrissy Vee

            One reason…
            And in hell he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. Luke 16:23..
            That doesn’t say “And in the lake of fire…”
            And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this FLAME. Luke 16:24

          • Bingo

            That was a story Jesus told painting an illustration, not actual hellfire.

          • Chrissy Vee

            I am supposing this is another doctrine we disagree on. I have learned there are different parts of hell and different degrees of punishment. Fire is in the lowest part of hell.
            Also…
            Mark 9:43-48 Talks much about the fire in hell that is never quenched. It doesn’t mention the lake of fire.

          • Bingo

            Yes, Mark 9 is talking about the Lake of Fire.

          • Chrissy Vee

            Where does it say that?

          • Bingo

            Mark 9:43-48.

          • Chrissy Vee

            (o_O)

          • Chrissy Vee

            P.S. So what exactly is the illustration painting if not a truth? Not being a wise guy, but when I reread that it didn’t make sense to me.

          • Bingo

            It is the illustration of the impervious separation after judgment between those who will be judged unrighteous and condemned to eternal torment, and those who are deemed righteous and are accepted by God into His Kingdom.

          • Chrissy Vee

            Yes, but in the illustration he asks for someone to go tell his family… who are apparently still on the earth.

          • Bingo

            It’s a parable.

          • Chrissy Vee

            Oh good grief! Ok Enough. We don’t agree. I say hell, you say lake of fire.. ♪ let’s call the whole thing off ♪

          • Bingo

            LOL! I really don’t think we disagree!

          • Chrissy Vee

            🙂

          • DontLikeWimps

            You are Very wrong…its not a parable. Its an actual story of Lazarus’s death and what happened to those 2 men after they both died. You are twisting the Bible. Quit saying its a parable!!!!!

          • Bingo

            As the great gulf fixed between hellfire (where no one is, yet) and heaven is unbridgeable, and no communication takes place between the righteous dead and the wicked dead, you can safely assume that what Jesus was relaying is a parable.

          • mazzie54az

            how you can interpret it that way is even beyond my imagination. The law of interpretation of the Bible iswhen the plain sense of Scripture makes perfect sense make no other sense out of it. That was not a parable that was truth

          • Bingo

            It was a spiritual truth based on an illustration. In reality there is no communication between the condemned and the righteous. The Judgment has not yet taken place, and there is no one in the fires of hell yet.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            don’t believe that nutt @nancysmithwilliams:disqus …. here is PROOF. hell IS NOT EMPTY

            Ephesians 4:8 ►
            Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

            1 Peter 3:18-20 ►
            18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
            19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
            20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

          • Bingo

            Ephesians 4:8 and 1 Peter 3:18-20 are references to Jesus going into Hades, the place of the dead. It is not hellfire, for there was Abraham, King David, Elisha, Isaiah and countless other OT saints who looked to their Messiah, to whom He revealed Himself, and took them out. Those who were not receptive of the Messiah remain awaiting Judgment.

            THAT IS NOT HELL, THE LAKE OF FIRE.

            Keep studying. You’ll get there eventually.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            whom did JESUS bring with HIM from the depths of the earth miss jezebel know everything or only seeks to control and manipulate others .. ????

          • Bingo

            I think YOU are the one who cannot stand a woman with a differing opinion. YOU have the Jezebel spirit, if there ever was one.

            Jesus brought out all those from Hades who had been awaiting their Messiah. They were then freed to enter heaven.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            There you go with that ungodly and wickedness of opinions again.
            You’re running around giving opinions I AM SPEAKING TRUTH.

            GOD, JESUS nor THE HOLY SPIRIT ever gave any opinions – and since you choose opinions over TRUTH – it PROVES you are not of GOD but of flesh and wickedness.

            TRUE CHRISTIANS speak as CHRIST DOES – they speak TRUTH and ONLY TRUTH – NO !!!! excuses, NO !!!!! guesses and NO !!!!! opinions.

            I could care less if you are or were a man or a woman – that doesn’t matter

            I could care less if you agree with me or disagree with me.

            I AM not here to please man. I AM only here to PLEASE GOD.
            So .. you can take that freakish need to control and manipulate and harass others – you’ve NEVER control me or manipulate me you demonic, evil, satanic and wicked witch.

          • Bingo

            There you go with your scathing judgment again.

            There is nothing ungodly or wicked about any of my opinions, as they are generated within a heart that is occupied by Holy Spirit. He speaks truth. I agree with HIM!

            Yes, you certainly do care whether people agree with you or not. You’ve gone half-cocked all over these Disqus forums shouting down anyone who differs or wants to offer some correction.

            You are here to please yourself and to bring glory to your own name, even if that means that you will tread on born again Christians to do so. Ungodly, indeed.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            GOD, CHRIST nor THE HOLY SPIRIT gave any opinions. Why are you giving opinions ? I know why – because you have conformed to the ways of this world.

            with that everyone has a right to an opinion crap mentality.
            GOD, CHRIST and THE HOLY SPIRIT only speak TRUTH.

            As far as my name ? I AM going to stand up for my name and not allow any slanderous evil from people like you stand.

            I AM going to condemn any tongue that rises against me in judgment … so keep on forming your weapons of slander – they will not harm me.

          • Bingo

            You give your blasted opinions! I give mine, because I am allowed to express what I know and what I believe….just like you are.

            You act like a spoiled brat little kid who wants to muzzle everyone and stand on a chair stamping your feet and shouting, “LISTEN TO ME! LISTEN TO ME!” It doesn’t work, Dennis. You are just prideful.

            You’re just being ridiculous. Yes, you defend your little name, Dennis—but it’s quite alright for you to declare me a demonic witch? Get saved, Dennis. You come across as a hypocrite with that vile judgmental tongue of yours.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            “”QUOTE”” just one opinion I have given here.

          • Bingo

            Everything you’re saying here is a useless diatribe of opinion.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            well .. if everything from me is opinion – you sure found it impossible to “”QUOTE”” my words … like I “”QUOTED”” your many abominations unto GOD, deceptions, lies and tricks

          • Bingo

            Why would anyone want to quote you? You’re a poor example of a believer. No love in you, and your language is atrocious.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            I literally begged you To PROVE something I said or stated was an opinion by “”QUOTING”” my words …..

            Since you couldn’t, didn’t and wouldn’t … it just PROVES.
            you are a chronological, compulsive and pathological liar.

          • Bingo

            You should never beg.

            You cannot speak the truth. All you’ve been doing for days now is shout and fuss.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            Proverbs 22:1 ►A good name is rather to be chosen than great riches, and loving favour rather than silver and gold.

            Isaiah 54:17 ►
            No weapon that is formed against thee shall prosper; and every tongue that shall rise against thee in judgment thou shalt condemn. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord, and their righteousness is of me, saith the Lord.

            you won’t be the one to tear my name down – THUS the reason you hide your name – but I know it.
            Already proven that to you.

          • Bingo

            Your name is already mud. You have lost your cool continually, calling me names and arguing just for the sake of argument. That’s unholy behaviour, and you’ve dragged all that you claim to be holy right after you through the mire.

            Names mean nothing here. someone who is abusive and underhanded like you has gone too far with personal information, so I did the right thing and used a username—like countless people do. But of course, you think that means something sinister. Well, when a person is shady to begin with, he thinks others are just as shady.

            Shady, man…and weird. I see nothing of Christ in your words or behaviour.

          • Chrissy Vee

            Thank you Dennis. But she will not be convinced. She doesn’t mean any harm. God bless you brother.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            well … she might not mean anyone any harm – butj the last time I checked – when you make up lies about people you know nothing about – you’re up to no good and you do mean harm ….

            she’s leading more AWAY than to CHRIST

          • Chrissy Vee

            I know. I can not stand to see people who love God get involved in angry/ugly disputes. I have fallen into that myself here… especially when my faith and character are attacked. None of us are perfect. It just shows our need for our Saviour. Pray for those who need truth and those who have been misguided.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            Oh .. I do pray for people like that – matter of fact. I PRAY MORE for my enemies and for haters of TRUTH than I do for anyone else.

          • Bingo

            Yet, this fellow, Dennis, continues to shout and call people ugly names. Does he really love God? Does he really know Jesus? It’s questionable, when he lacks the Spirit’s discernment concerning sisters and brothers in Christ and proceeds to dismiss them with a venomous tongue. That’s Satan’s job.

            Yes, indeed, Chrissy—pray for Dennis, also, for he is chomping at the bit to defile and defame those who are of Christ. He cannot discern.

          • Chrissy Vee

            I will pray. I see no meekness of spirit or humbleness of mind. This site has also brought that out in me. It’s one of the reasons I do not frequent it anymore. Oh, and…I do not think you are a witch Bingo. 🙂 ♥

          • Bingo

            I am glad, Chrissy! Prayer is the only thing that can effectively turn things around. These kinds of internet places for communication are rife with spiritual phonies and ne’er-do-wells. You do the right thing in making rare appearances here. God is leading me to do the same, for nothing good comes from the mouths of those who are constantly in contention against the Body of Christ.

          • Bingo

            When YOU continue to slander people of God here, you will hear about it.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            I have slandered no one you witch.

          • Bingo

            That entire juvenile comment is slander.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            I called you a witch – because you have continuously attempted to use sorcery and witchcraft against me – the proof is in your statements – even attempting to falsely accuse me of yelling when I respect GOD, CHRIST and THE HOLY SPIRIT OF THE MOST HIGH GOD with capital letters.

            I called you a liar because you lied about me and you lied to me.
            I called you an abomination unto GOD because you are a false witness who speaketh lies – about me whom you know nothing about –

            i call you demonic, evil, satanic and wicked because you avoid, hide from, and refuse to address PROOFS of your slander against me from the beginning when you FIRST commented to my POST about rick warren .. you came in and at me with deceptions, lies and tricks – all to protect your god rick warren.

          • Bingo

            You prove yourself to be utterly ridiculous, out of touch with reality, and far, far, far from discerning.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            again … you falsely accuse me of being angry … continue on in your abominations unto GOD you false witness.

          • Bingo

            If you aren’t angry, you’re just spiteful.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            too late now – you’ve already falsely accused me too many times of being angry – yet I AM not angry nor have you done or said anything to anger me.

            If you call standing up for something I did or said spiteful ?
            Then JESUS was spiteful too. HE stood – and died for it – then AROSE !!!! HALLELUJAH !!!!!!!

          • Bingo

            Yes, you have been nothing but spiteful, and why? Because of some imaginary slight?

            Methinks that your vile denigration has been overblown—similar to using an A-bomb to destroy an ant colony.

            Discussion is impossible with you because you make it personal.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            My first encounter with you ??? You attacked me personally – everything after that ? Was personal. You EXPOSED who you were – you proved in about your 3rd comment you were a witch – your first comment to me proved you were a liar and a false witness that speaketh lies.

            So… when ever I run across you ? If I still see your being a false witness, lying, and practicing witchcraft .. I AM going to continue to call you just what you still are – because you’ve not repented.

          • Bingo

            I never did attack you personally. You are a liar from the get-go.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            Here is your FIRST comment / reply to me …. all your words.

            “”Nonsense. You don’t understand the role of pastor under God. Your condemnation just misses the mark and heads straight to hell where it belongs, and will be attributed to your own mouth.””

            1.) you called what I said “”Nonsense””

            instead of correcting me or discussing anything with me – you came in blasting away.

            2.) Then you stated.””You don’t understand the role of pastor under God. “”

            Instead of falsely accusing me ? You should have asked me – what is “”the role of pastor under God.””

            To see if I knew or not. If I didn’t know? You could have probably EXPLAINED it to me. But you chose to attack FIRST.

            3.) Then you said … “”Your condemnation just misses the mark and heads straight to hell where it belongs,””

            Accusing my tongue of saying something from hell.
            Yet you provided NO PROOF.

            “”and will be attributed to your own mouth.””

            and even when I asked you to prove anything
            you resulted in personal attacks.

            If you can’t see this – you are the very liar and witch that I call you. Either REPENT or remain the same. The choice is yours.

          • Bingo

            Oh, for crying out loud. Put on your big boy panties and get a life. Holding grudges for what I said in about 4 lines concerning one of your posts is completely unhinged behaviour.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            EXACTLY. Just as I thought – you accuse me of making this person – yet when I PROVE how you made it personal from the beginning – you overlook it and refuse to admit your wrong.

            I knew you would respond like that. You’re a witch – and a liar.
            you’re demonic, evil, satanic and wicked.

            You have not repented and have no intentions on repenting.
            this is who you are – you’re self righteous and believe anything you do and say is from GOD – but I know it’s from your emotions and flesh.

          • Bingo

            You can make a person? Wow–talented.

            You call everyone a witch or warlock, a liar and call them demonic, evil, satanic, and wicked whenever they don’t agree with you. It’s a symptom. Go get treated.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            it’s time to end this …. now you have falsely accused me again ….

            1.) I don’t call everyone a witch or a warlock ..
            2.) I don’t call everyone a liar.

            I have plenty of people I know very well and we have conversations each day – I never call them liars or witches – because they don’t go around lying and practicing witchcraft – as you do ……

          • Bingo

            1) Everyone who disagrees with you and holds their own, yes you do.

            2) You use the word “liar” way too much, rather than to engage in proper discussion. It defeats you from the very start.

            You kiss up to people, I suppose. It’s obvious you have no discerning ability, because I am far from what you condemn me as. Your tendency toward calling people evil names just reveals who you serve.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            1.) TRUE CHRISTIANS agree to disagree until they work it out together until THE TRUTH IS REACHED through scriptures.

            You ? Come to my POST that made to no one – and attempt to discredit me from the beginning – making it personal. I proved that too many times already.

            Instead of just leaving because we didn’t agree ? You continued making up lies about me and falsely accusing me and being a false witness about me that spoke many lies.

            I don’t kiss up to nobody.

          • Bingo

            No, I didn’t discredit you. I disagreed with you. You take it personally.

            Instead of leaving yourself, you have begun a series of vile charges against me. It’s just plain evil. Reveals your heart.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            there’s that jezebel spirit again – “”Instead of leaving yourself””

            you won’t control or manipulate me you witch.

            It was my post – it was posted to no one – you came in attacking. I have a right to continue to defend my stance…. when you came and come in with lies about me and you knew nothing about me …….

          • Bingo

            LOL! You’re the one who brought up leaving!

            What a maroon.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            your words … not mine ….

            “”Instead of leaving yourself, you have begun a series of vile charges against me. “”

            I don’t believe in leaving where I have sown a seed – I hang around and stay around in case witches like you attempt to uproot those seeds …. you liar.

            you brought up leaving … not me you liar.
            you won’t admit you’re wrong on that either.
            it’s common with you.

          • Bingo

            I was responding to your rather silly, “Instead of just leaving because we didn’t agree ? You continued making up lies…” You began this. Are you retarded?

            Consistently calling people witches and other vile names is satanic behaviour.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            you started all of this you lying witch ….
            you personally attacked me on rick warren’s article
            then you personally attacked me on this article too.

            Both times – I made POSTS – all by myself – in response to no one …. only the articles – both times

            you were the first to attack me you lying witch
            you made up lies from the beginning you lying witch

          • Bingo

            I never “personally attacked” you.

            If you can’t take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            liar – you did – it’s you who can’t stand the heat of TRUTH about you being a witch – about you being a liar – and me calling you out on it and catching you and PROVING it.

          • Bingo

            Nope. You’ve gone ballistic because someone disagrees with you. What monumental, fleshly pride you have.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            No. you’re pissed because I won’t bend, bow or compromise with your evil you witch. I could care less if you agree or disagree with me – but when you slander my name or what THE HOLY SPIRIT told me to do or say – I AM going to STAND ON GOD and TRUTH.

          • Bingo

            It matters not to me whether you bend or twist or blow in the wind. what is important here is the ability to carry on a proper discussion, but you’ve proven yourself incapable of such a thing.

            Your name coincides with the towering pride you exemplify, and so your consideration that there is slander against you is stupefying. Yet, in your mind, you think nothing of committing open slander against me in every post.

            You cancel out the Holy Spirit when you call me so many wicked names. Your tongue needs to be bridled.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            Look you crazy witch. I AM not here to have any conversation with you or satan. I AM here to PLEASE GOD – to PROVE what is of GOD and what is of satan.

            You just continue to attack and harass me.

            Ezekiel 33:6 ►
            But if the watchman see the sword come, and blow not the trumpet, and the people be not warned; if the sword come, and take any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at the watchman’s hand.

            Ezekiel 3:18 ►
            When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.

            I AM hear to warn the wicked of their wicked ways to save their lives – and to warn others about people like you who are wicked and don’t want to be SAVED because they claim to be already SAVED but JESUS knows you not.

            for those people you harass who don’t believe in your god ?
            these verses are for you

            Matthew 18:6 ►
            But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea.
            Mark 9:42 ►
            And whosoever shall offend one of these little ones that believe in me, it is better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he were cast into the sea.
            Luke 17:2 ►
            It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones.

          • Bingo

            You definitely have your work cut out for you when you parade your hate and rancor around here. The wicked instructing the wicked.

            It ain’t working.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            I don’t hate you or anyone else. Just because I won’t allow you to walk over me doesn’t mean I hate you – you witch.

          • Bingo

            It appears you are not even true to yourself or understand yourself. Your words declare your hatred. You can’t hide it. One doesn’t even need to have spiritual discernment to see it.

            Consistently referring to me as a “witch” is evil speech, and you don’t even flinch when you say it, do you?

            Matthew 15:18-19
            But the words you speak come from the heart—that’s what defiles you. 19 For from the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, all sexual immorality, theft, lying, and slander.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            John 8:44
            Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

            you are of your father the devil @nancysmithwilliams:disqus
            I will stick with JESUS.

          • Bingo

            I am convinced of the truth about self-serving people who profess themselves conceitedly to be teachers and preachers—pharisees, all.

          • Holly B

            Chrissy it wasn’t a story or parable as Bingo states!!! It was true and really happened and Bingo will send a lot of people down the wrong path! Do not listen to Bingo!

          • Bingo

            The story of Lazarus and the rich man is a parable, recounted by Jesus to teach us. Whether or not it is in the end doesn’t matter, as long as one gets the message. People often treat the parable of the Prodigal Son as if it were a true story, yet the spiritual message is rich in it.

            Don’t be a moron, as a Johnny-come-lately, trying to slander and speak ill of other posters here, madame. I have never sent anyone down any path except the path of salvation through faith in Jesus Christ.

          • Holly B

            Bingo is a false speaker.. she is a deceiver and can not be trusted! Hush wicked spirit and be gone from this thread, in Jesus name.

          • Bingo

            There is nothing false in me. I am a follower of Jesus Christ, baptized in the Holy Spirit, and have walked with Him for 53 years. So, you can take your slander with you.

          • Holly B

            So what – because you say you walked for 53 years with Him does not mean you know squat, because you apparently DON’T! I am done fighting with wickedness, be gone and hush… see ya!

          • Bingo

            I certainly know more than you do. You are only here to vent your silly looking spleen.

          • JudeThree

            if salvation is though Christ alone, what happens of you don’t get that baptism of the Holy Spirit that seems to be important to you.

          • Bingo

            Every single believer can submit to the baptism of the Holy Spirit just as every believer did so in the New Testament record. It doesn’t affect one’s salvation, but it will affect one’s ministry.

          • DontLikeWimps

            Hell is considered torment… When an unbeliever dies he will be in torment which is hell.

          • Patricia

            Yes that is right Chrissy… and why would you need a hell now unless it is for use now if it is going to later be thrown into the lake of fire with everything in it.

          • Bingo

            They are in what the bible calls “Hades”, the place of the dead…the unrighteous dead, and yes, after their judgment, that place will be rolled right into the Lake of Fire.

          • Stella Kemunto Nyakundi

            @disqus_FRP9Bm1Un6:disqus- Kindly, that was a parable meant to tell us that there is no forgiveness or change of status after death, for the dead are sleeping awaiting resurrection either to eternal life of eternal damnation. Eg. the grave of King David is with us un to this day awaiting the trump to sound. Judgement is not yet finished to determine who shall go where and it is not for us human beings to say so and so is wherever.

          • DontLikeWimps

            You can take the Bible literally…. People are in hell right now if they did not live for Jesus. The story of Lazarus is not a parable….

          • Bingo

            Yes, it is a parable. Judgment Day has not taken place, yet, so no one has been cast into the fiery pit. In every instance of people witnessing a hellish panorama, it is a vision.

          • Patricia

            Where does it make it contextually a parable? It is only a parable to those who don’t believe. But the passage is clear. David’s body is awaiting resurrection but His living soul is with the LORD. The bible also speak of those who goes down to the lowest pits and parts of the earth. Moreover even Jesus went to the lowest parts of the earth after his death and preached to the spirits in prisons. You have to interpret all of these as parables. Your hands are going to be full standing before God… People can either take the bible literally or you can make anything a parable which goes endlessly and lead you to the rabbit hole

          • Patricia

            Why then the Rich man ask to go warn his people not to come here if this only happens at judgement day. Moreover Jesus replied and said they have Moses and the prophets to listen to lol. So it is not talking about judgement day that is to come.

            This is only a parable to those who don’t believe. But the passage is clear. David’s body is awaiting resurrection but His living soul is with the LORD. To be absent from the body is to be present with the LORD. To die is to gain. A man was caught up to the 3rd Heaven and saw amazing things, wether in the Body or out of the body I do not know. So yes you can leave the body.

            When man tries to make the word of God what they wish it to be then it can become anything. And if it can be anything, it is then meaningless. Take it for what it is, hard or soft

            The bible also speak of those who goes down to the lowest pits and parts of the earth. Moreover even Jesus went to the lowest parts of the earth after his death and preached to the spirits in prisons. You have to interpret all of these as parables. Your hands are going to be full standing before God… People can either take the bible literally or you can make anything a parable which goes endlessly and lead you to the rabbit hole

          • Bingo

            Parables are NEVER meaningless. I don’t treat everything as a parable except parables. There’s no need to get all bent out of shape about it. The truth Jesus was speaking is right there for all to see.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            Yes, it is. But as long as you only think it’s a parabolic reference to a future event, and not the eyewitness account of a specific man named Lazarus who was with Abraham in his death awaiting the resurrection of the dead – then you are missing the truth that Jesus was speaking.

          • Bingo

            It is a parable, and like all parables, the truth is made very clear and unmistakeable to those who have ears to hear and eyes to see.

          • mazzie54az

            no you are wrong the Bible says that people will be thrown into the lake of fire at the judgment seat of Christ but they are in hell right now if they didn’t know him

          • Bingo

            The bible doesn’t say that believers who stand at the Judgment Seat of Christ will be cast into hellfire. The Judgment Seat of Christ is the Bema Seat Judgment for believers only, where He rewards us for our works.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            you viperous dog –

            Acts 2:31 ►He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption.

            Why do you continue to spread lies ?
            Why do you have so much to say to anyone whom you don’t agree with ?

            Why ???? do you loon for confrontation all the time ?
            because you’re a viperous dog – an evildoer – wicked.

          • Bingo

            You are nothing but a poser, so full of yourself.

            What does “loon” as a verb mean? Is that your southern vernacular showing, or is it that you just cannot spell, or have no command of the English language?

            I see only wickedness in you since the beginning of your dark presence here in this thread. You cover up your ignorance in bombast. Typical.

          • Recognizing_Truth

            Jesus’ parables were always noted as such. And parables did not include people’s names – since the characters were only types used for illustration. Lazarus is specifically mentioned by name, as is Abraham, and there is no indication of this being a parable. So the account of Lazarus the beggar and the rich man was an eyewitness account by Jesus, not a parable. Most likely.

            That being said hell, gehenna, and hades are NOT the lake of fire. In the final judgement satan, his angels, those who rejected Christ, and finally death and hell/hades are thrown into the lake of fire – this is the second death.

            So, the lost dead are not in their final and eternal punishment of the lake of fire, but they are in hell/hades – the place of the lost dead.

          • Bingo

            Well, this parable about the rich man (no name) and Lazarus, is just bit different with regard to a name.

            I agree with you. The dead outside of Christ are not in the Lake of Fire—which is what so many ignorantly believe—but are in Hades, the place of the dead. It surely isn’t a happy place.

          • Josey

            Amen Dontlkewimps: Jesus said it as a matter of fact not given as a parable or metaphor, it happened and should be take literally.

          • Bingo

            So, people can literally communicate between the great gulf? No, it was a parable.

          • LInda

            If it is a parable, which it isn’t, it is the only parable where Jesus spoke the names of the persons in the story. Obviously, it was was a real example of the status of those souls, given to those to whom he was speaking, and to us a clear warning.

          • Bingo

            Just because Jesus used a name, even if they were real people, it doesn’t mean it is not a parable that is being used to teach an important principle.

          • Holly B

            That is right it is NOT a parable!!

          • Patricia

            Where does it it make it contextually a parable? It is only a parable to those who don’t believe. But the passage is clear. David’s body is awaiting resurrection but His soul is with the LORD

          • Bingo

            It is only parabolic in that no one is suffering the agony of the Lake of Fire yet. No one can converse across the great chasm between the Kingdom where God dwells and the pit of hell. People who will be cast into hellfire will be forever separated from the presence of God.

          • mazzie54az

            hell is a different place than the lake of fire. The lake of fire is that the judgment but hell is right now

          • mazzie54az

            no the dEad are not sleepingif they are Christians the Bible says out of the body and in the presence of the Lord it is a suddenly. And the story about Lazarus is literal yes he was burning in hell and so will those who died without Christ

          • Lori Greenhill Sharpe

            If you look in God’s Word in Revelation 20:12-15, it states, “And I s
            aw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and DEATH AND HELL DELIVERED UP THE DEAD WHICH WERE IN THEM: and they were judged every man according to their works. AND DEATH AND HELL WERE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. THIS IS THE SECOND DEATH. AND WHOSOEVER WAS NOT FOUND WRITTEN IN THE BOOK OF LIFE WAS CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE.” (Emphasis is mine) This shows us that hell is not the destination sinners go to after judgement. Rather, sinners go to hell prior to the White Throne judgement, and then are sent forever to the lake of fire with Satan and the antichrist, the false prophet, and those who don’t accept Christ as Savior.

            Also, when Jesus was crucified, he descended to paradise to take those who were righteous to heaven. This emptied paradise and allowed hell to enlarge itself. While there, He took the keys to hell and death, and conquered death and the grave. If the souls of those who didn’t accept Christ weren’t there, then ultimately, that says Christ and the Bible are liars with God. God also says in His Word, “I am not a man that I should lie.”

            When we follow a doctrine because it sounds good, but don’t subject it to Scripture, we are in danger of following a false teacher, and become guilty of adding or taking away from the Gospel, which exists , BECAUSE of Christ’s death and resurrection, which is the WHOLE Gospel. Nothing else is the Gospel of Christ, and as Jesus said, “I am the Way the Truth and the Life. No man can come to the father, but by me.” The blood, nails and spear are EXACTLY what people need to hear. Not a fuzzy warm feel good message that itching ears want to hear.

          • Bingo

            Nobody’s sleeping. The righteous dead are with Jesus, and the unrighteous are awaiting Judgment in Hades, or what many people call “hell”.

          • BranonDavies

            Mercy on who? on a dead man? There is no repentance in death. It is given unto man, once to die and after that the judgement. True, it is not time for judgement, but people, especially Christians, need to know that this man taught falsehood while on this side.

          • Bingo

            Mercy in the way one speaks of others is important to the speaker. As for a man preaching falsehoods….everyone has some falseness in their beliefs. We who desire to be taught by them need to have the wisdom of God and to be as the Bereans, and search out the truth for ourselves, and when we encounter something that is questionable, merely take the good and spit out the bones. We don’t harangue people, or criticize with evil words and curses as I see people do so much today on the internet. God sees the hearts behind such vile speech, and those speaking such condemnation will reap the consequences of it.

          • BranonDavies

            It is unchristian to abuse or curse anybody. And we are even enjoined to mourn with those who mourn. It must be a difficult time to all who know and love this man. But the subject of the person of Christ is such that we must guide jealously in a godly manner. It is more than separating wheat from the chaff when people speak falsely/wrongly about Jesus Christ either deliberately or ignorantly. Such people must be noted and recognized for what they said that is wrong about our Lord. Christ left heavens glory to come and die for sinful man like me and all of us. To deny this is grievous.

          • Bingo

            I refuse to add my denunciations to those who base theirs on video snippets.

          • Bingo

            Prove it.

          • David Matthews

            I can shut your entire argument down and I am going to.
            2 Timothy 2:23-25 ESV
            Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know
            that they breed quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth.
            Now you know what to do.

          • Bingo

            I agree with you—it is foolishness to be arguing about and denigrating a man who is dead and already enjoying his King.

          • David Matthews

            You only prove my point even further, thank you.

          • Bingo

            What point is that? It is the pattern of so many
            “Christians” to sit in haughty and negative judgment of people who have been given a particular flavour of ministry to the Body of Christ. This is very evident here in this very thread. Maybe you are making my point.

          • David Matthews

            Lol! You are the one sitting up on your high horse and have the haughty attitude! You need to check yourself! It’s every follower of Jesus’s duty to listen to Him and do as He says, not to go around trying to change the minds of everyone that disagree with you. For that you are a Pharisee, hung up on law, when its all about the heart. It’s our job to point people to Jesus, and you are not doing that. I pity you and I am praying for God to take the blinders off your eyes.

          • Bingo

            What a bunch of foolish, prideful, and presumptive hogwash.

            Listening to Jesus and what He tells me to do is exactly how I live my life. Law isn’t my thing. Grace is. That is how I lead people to Christ—by my life’s example in relationship. Don’t pity me. God is pleased by those who are enlarging His kingdom.

            How about you?

          • David Matthews

            Oh, I am one with whom God is well pleased. I know that for a fact. Your example doesn’t lead people to Christ, your being where God has command you, when He has commanded you, so that you can lead someone to Christ is what you can do to help. It’s Christ’s example that leads them to Him. By that, you are saying you are God and now you a blaspheming. Your rigorousness is like filth rags. Remember that. Bye bye Satan.

          • Bingo

            Well, when the Lord tells me He is pleased, I believe Him. However, I highly doubt God is pleased with your outlandish displays of anger and accusations.

            You have no clue about my life and how God has used me in the lives of people. So, your ungodly accusatons are pretty much along the lines of how Satan accuses the brethren. Very revelatory about who rules you.

            Christians know that it is Jesus in us who people are drawn to. Your puerile understanding is keeping you from knowing this truth.

          • David Matthews

            I’m done, you obviously don’t get it.

          • Bingo

            Yes, I sure hope you are done.

            I get it. You are obviously a very contrary fellow, and come here to declare everyone beneath you and when they rebuff your accusations, you label them Satan. Yes, I do get it.

          • David Matthews

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          • DontLikeWimps

            Many people have had near death experiences and were shown people burning in hell…so yes I do believe people get punished right away for their lives not lived for Jesus.

          • Bingo

            No one goes to the Lake of Fire until Judgment Day. That the unrighteous die and do not enter the Kingdom immediately, is the beginning of one’s eternal punishment.

          • Bingo

            The visions have a purpose to turn men’s hearts to God, but the punishment begins on one appointed Judgment Day, according to scripture.

          • Bingo

            That is false. On Judgment Day, the dead outside of Christ are bodily RESURRECTED to face God. this is called the SECOND DEATH that believers will not experience, but will witness.

            Revelation 20:11-15
            And I saw a great white throne and the one sitting on it. The earth and sky fled from his presence, but they found no place to hide. 12 I saw the dead, both great and small, standing before God’s throne. And the books were opened, including the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to what they had done, as recorded in the books. 13 The sea gave up its dead, and death and the grave gave up their dead. And all were judged according to their deeds. 14 Then death and the grave were thrown into the lake of fire. This lake of fire is the second death. 15 And anyone whose name was not found recorded in the Book of Life was thrown into the lake of fire.

          • Ramon T. Desucatan

            Que es popular a todo el mundo, pero no a Dios. Rechazó Jesús el verdadero evangelio.

          • Bingo

            NDE may reveal their future, but Judgment Day is not immediate for anyone. It takes place at the end of all things—after the Millennium.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            you’re a liar from the pits of hell …..

            Luke 16
            24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

            I get tired of you being so damned and so wrong – you’re always attacking others with the final answer – and most of the time you are WRONG !!!!!!!

            no wonder you had to hide your real name – and go by a name that is a lie …… you are a deceiver and a liar.

          • Bingo

            The truth is that I am seated with Christ in the heavenly realms right now.

            I have yet to be wrong, praise the Lord. I think you wear wrong like a tight-fitting coat.

            Demonic people like yourself, so full of hate and self are the true menace of the internet. You won’t listen, but expect everyone else to sit there under your ridiculous tutelage.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            You said … “”I have yet to be wrong”” – yet I proved you were wrong about no one being in hell. you liar. you’re wrong – each time I PROVE you are wrong – you run from it and turn to talking about something else – you viperous dog.

          • Bingo

            Sorry, but you’ve proved nothing. You are obviously disturbed, because you CANNOT prove what I believe to be wrong, and so you revert into your darkness and come out with scathing name-calling. That’s downright ugly and from the pit.

            The Lake of Fire is not open for business until Judgment Day.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            Luke 16:24 ►And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.

            have it your way – you win – you’ve won.
            happy now ?

            I HOPE AND PRAY you now leave me alone.

          • Bingo

            That was a parabolic message of Jesus. No one is suffering torment until Judgment Day comes and the second resurrection occurs for the dead outside of Christ. In the meantime all the wicked are held in the grave, or Hades, or the “place of the dead”, awaiting Judgment.

            You need to study more.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            oh … so when it’s convenient for you – it’s a parable – out of context – or a translation discrepancy …. or some other excuse.

            Why do you insist on always getting off topic ???

          • Bingo

            It has nothing to do with convenience. It is a parabolic story.

            When you continually pick on people, you become guilty of taking the topic down your own private rabbit holes.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            you continuously harassed me over my statement about rick warren – and him regretting making a video about biblical marriage – obviously he doesn’t believe biblical marriage is TRUE any longer – since he regrets it …..

            now ? you came to this post about this TRUE MAN OF GOD whom many misunderstand because they don’t understand that THE GOOD NEWS IS THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

            JESUS didn’t preach JESUS – JESUS PREACHED THE GOOD NEWS OF HIS FATHER’S KINGDOM.

            I made both of my statements to no one.
            but because you are filled with a jezebel spirit and just has to control and manipulate all you come in contact with

            you made it your business to come and harass me here too.

            you are the demonic, evil, satanic and wicked one.
            Not me …… you just hate TRUTH.

          • Bingo

            You are lying about Rick Warren and didn’t even read the article. If you did, you merely prove your problem with reading comprehension and how it is completely influenced by your presuppositions. All you want to do is RANT—and that is all you are doing here, also.

            The Good News is the gospel of grace about Jesus Christ. It includes the message about the Kingdom.

            Jesus preached the Kingdom, and Himself as the King and as the gateway…the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father but by Him.

            You know nothing about me and your vile and hateful comments only reveal the fact that your puny faith is words only, and not your walk.

            I could care less about where I encounter you. I have the right to peruse these headlines as much as you do. Get over yourself.

            I love God, and His word of truth. However, you speak with the hostility of the demonic. Wickedness follows you around here.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            it’s obvious you have no life – you harassed almost everyone on that rick warren article – and THE KINGDOM OF GOD is THE GOOD NEWS CHRIST PREACHED AND TAUGHT ……. HE SPOKE of HIM being THE ONLY WAY IN – but HIS MAIN MESSAGE was all about THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

            Dr. Myles Monroe is RIGHT ON KEY and POINT and LINED UP WITH SCRIPTURES ……

          • Bingo

            This is not about Rick Warren, Bubba. He is the one who is constantly harassed and that artcle is a fuse that ignites the hateful nonsense that everyone rushes to pour out—you included. I stand up for him.

            I have a great life, btw!

            We can enter the Kingdom through Jesus Christ. I am all for Dr Munroe, but I think his delivery was a bit awry.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            you acted like rick warren was your god and saviour …..

            There is nothing wrong with speaking or teaching about a man of GOD who has done evil.

            David did evil. Moses did evil. Abraham did evil.
            rick warren is no where near any of them …… but you put rick warren above GOD on that other post …..

            I AM not the only one who kept telling you how you were acting – you had the most things to say on that post and you’re about to break the record on this one – because you’re filled with doing your fleshly desires and lack spiritualness.

            you’re like the religious pharisees and scribes …..
            of your father the devil.

          • Bingo

            No, Jesus is my Lord and Saviour, and He is Rick Warren’s Lord and Saviour, and that makes him my brother. I defend my family.

            You do evil. Shall we speak and talk about you?

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            you defend your family ????? BWHAHHHAHHAHHAHAAAH !!!

            but you don’t and won’t defend Adam ? David ? Moses ? Isaiah ??? right warren is your god you lunatic.

            As far as me ? I’ve done much evil in the past. I AM CLEAN and FREE from that evil.

            I spend my days and nights LEADING, PREACHING and TEACHING the masses about THE TRUTH OF SCRIPTURES twisted by lunatics like you ….. and I lead people to CHRIST’S WAY – the very way that RAISES, TEACHES and TRAINS people to be able to cast out demons, DELIVER, HEAL, PERFORM MIRACLES, SIGNS and WONDERS ALL IN THE NAME OF CHRIST.

            You can not find any dirt on me you witch.
            I’ve been CONFESSED before MILLIONS of my past you scorned woman of satan.

          • Bingo

            Why? Is someone denigrating David or Adam or Moses or
            Elijah, here?

            God is my God, you foolish person. You still need to repent for how you are treating a child of God right here, Dennis. You are behaving erratically and hatefully and without grace, for which you need to repent.

            Teaching and preaching? You don’t seem to have the gift, nor the temperament, nor do I see Jesus Christ in your capitalized, shouting and confrontational words. Calling people a witch is something Satan loves to do. That’s dirt enough for me. You are giving way to the devil. You need to get on your knees, repent and ask Holy Spirit to fill you.

            God is keeping score of your vile words against His daughter.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            look you witch – I CAPITALIZE that which is HOLY – it’s not me yelling you false witness that speaketh lies …… you’re a sick person and you’re in plenty of pain.

            I will NEVER LOVE man over THE TRUTH.
            you want me to back away from THE TRUTH to be nice to you.
            NO !!! I will not be bending, bowing or compromising with your wickedness.

          • Bingo

            Nonsense. There is nothing about me that should make you go into paroxysms of anger that you should speak so hatefully. Take control of yourself. Rebuke the enemy who is influencing you.

            Your over-use of caps is shouting and it is rude.

            You love yourself over the truth. No room left over to love others.

            You don’t have to compromise the truth to behave civilly to people. Your belligerence is overwhelming you.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            look you crazy witch.
            If anything that is not HOLY CAPITALIZED – it’s used for EMPHASIS you liar.

            You don’t have the authority, power or wisdom to anger me you nutt. Now you’re attempting to try and control how I type you lying witch.

            yelling would be COMPLETE and WHOLE SENTENCES in caps – not just a few words and those things which are HOLY like GOD, JESUS and THE HOLY SPIRIT OF THE MOST HIGH GOD you lunatic.

          • Bingo

            You continually shout and denigrate me by calling me names. That is of the devil.

            It’s obvious by your language that you are hot under the collar. Go take a pill.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            look you witch. I have not shouted at your for any reason at all.

            I told you before. I CAPITALIZE things which are HOLY.
            and other words for EMPHASIS ….

            you will not control how I type you witch.
            you can’t, don’t and won’t cast any spells on me you witch.

          • Bingo

            I read your comment to my wonderful, godly husband and he says, “Whoa, what kind of a person is that? He’s not a Christian.”

            ‘Nuff said.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            good …… and I AM sure you read your comments to him and he said you’re a good christian female ….

            both of you are the same – witches covering for each other.
            your husband is not GOD – that’s if you even have one ….

            but then again – maybe you come here to un-pile on others – since you’re probably not able to un-pile on your husband.

          • Bingo

            My husband knows what I have said, also. He and my heavenly Father are pleased with me.

            You are nothing but vile at heart.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            I’m BLOCKING you – you witch – you’re nothing but evil and trouble …. glad to see you have much to hide – even your comments – but I have a copy – and you said no one was in hell.

            then you changed it to lake of fire ….. you’re a witch

            ONLY USING deceptions, lies, sorcery, tricks and witchcraft …

          • Bingo

            Go ahead…I’d love that, if you can do such a thing.

            I have nothing to hide. Why would I? I am a daughter of the King.

            I am correct—no human being has undergone Judgment Day yet. That won’t be here for at LEAST 1000 years after the Church is caught away by her Bridegroom. In the meantime, the wicked dead are confined to Hades, the place of the dead to await their dispatch by God.

            Your slander is equal to the vile lies of the devil. You need to stop being his parrot.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            look at your sorcery again……

            “”I have nothing to hide. Why would I?””

            yet your activity of comments is private ……
            mine are open to the public – because I have nothing to hide
            yours only just got private – you liar

            “”I am correct—no human being has undergone Judgment Day yet. “”

            I never used the word lake of fire or judgement ….
            I said there are plenty of people in hell right now ..
            I STAND ON THAT

            you are the one who changed to judgement and lake of fire.
            I was NEVER talking about judgement or lake of fire
            I NEVER Mentions judgement or lake of fire. Only you did.

            “”That won’t be here for at LEAST 1000 years””

            more lies from you – no man – not even CHRIST knows the day or the hour of JUDGMENT DAY you lying witch

          • Bingo

            You are not a worthy person to spar with, for you have nothing to say but slanderous lies. It is a sign of having NOTHING between the ears.

            Yes, countless people are lost and in Hades right now—people do die, you know. Millions upon millions are there awaiting Judgment. You need to be clear about which “hell” you are talking about. THAT IS ALL I WAS SAYING. As for the 1000 years, it will be AT LEAST 1000 years from now, as the catching away of the Church is imminent. Get over yourself.

            Despite the hateful way you act, Jesus loves you. Receive His love and forgiveness and learn how to love others instead of pridefully asserting your decrepit and vile ego.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            MORE PROOF of your sorcery tricks ……
            1.) you’re sparring – I AM not –
            2.) you stated there are no people in hell – you weren’t clear – but demanding I be clear because I said there are many people in hell.

            3.) rick warren flip flopped – what ever he said to his congregation should have been from GOD and no secret and shouldn’t be hid from the those outside of his congregation – yet you argued against it because rick warren is one of your gods.

            you also treat him as if no one is to mention any wrongs he did.
            YET THE HOLY BIBLE speaks of the wrongs of many of GOD’S CHOSEN – but rick warren is above all of them in your delusional mind.

            4.) Dr. Myles Monroe is not teaching any false doctrine.
            THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN if BIGGER than CHRIST – CHRIST WAS BIRTHED, DIED, AROSE and STILL LIVES for THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN which is THE GOOD NEWS and what CHRIST PREACHERS – but still you attacked me on my initial POST on that as well as you did me on rick warren’s article of his regretting the video he made on BIBLICAL MARRIAGE.

            5.) you’re just like those racist hate groups on the other article – THUS the reason you attacked me even there – and you admitted to stalking me to see my comments on other articles.

            you’re leading no one to CHRIST and neither are you attempting to lead anyone to CHRIST – but you attack many people for not believing what you believe you hate filled arrogant witch.

            You’ve been EXPOSED.

          • Bingo

            1) Yes you are—fighting, and dirty fighting at that, succumbing to temptation with every vile accusation that comes to you.

            2) There are plenty of people in Hades but none have been judged yet and cast into eternal hell, yet. Just making it clear for readers. You should be in agreement, but…no….of course you will make it a big issue.

            3) Rick Warren never flip-flopped. You have very poor perception. what he says to His sheep is from God’s heart for THEM. He wasn’t talking to you. I argue against you and people like you who PREFER to pridefully think evil of people, not comprehending the role of pastor. He is all about biblical marriage. So, you like so many weak-thinking people have fallen to the lowest common denominator and have accused a fellow worker for Jesus Christ. That makes you in cahoots with Satan, the accuser of the brethren.

            4) I don’t totally disagree with Munroe, but I can also see how people are up in arms about the things he said—but nothing is greater than Jesus, the King of all Kings and Lord of all lords—over the Kingdom of God.

            5) Me? Racist? Far from it, but you, sir, seethe with animosity and it looks just as vile as racism…hatred for no reason. Stalking? You have admittedly attempted to stalk me and have actually done so by revealing my real name in public here on Disqus. Those are evil deeds, Dennis. Hypocrite—accusing people of doing what you yourself do.

            I have led people to Christ online and have discipled them as well. You don’t know what you are talking about, or to whom you are talking. You are merely in quite a dither, and are speaking to hear yourself speak. Sad. No one is going to be influenced toward Jesus Christ by your continuous rants and calling me a witch in your every post. You negate all you claim to stand for by your continual attacks and demonic accusations.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            you better be glad I can’t block you as of now … but when I CAN ? I AM going to block all your hell so I never have to see it again …

            I’ve never seen a lunatic as bad as you ONLINE ever in life in my 30+ years online … you take the cake..

            I also like how you have all of your old comments HIDDEN
            you have so much to hide – I AM so glad that I AM nothing like your sorcery filled wickedness

          • Bingo

            LOL! I KNEW that you couldn’t do such a thing.

            It’s a sad person who gets so all worked up that he can’t even think straight. Looney tunes, for sure!

            I have nothing to hide, but you cannot just peruse my profile to become even more evil and slanderous toward me. That is a good protection we all have available to us, here…because of people like you.

            You have gone off your stick because you just cannot abide people who may speak the truth. Your pride will be your downfall.

            Proverbs 16:18
            Pride goes before destruction,
            And a haughty spirit before a fall.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            look at your sorcery again …..

            “”LOL! I KNEW that you couldn’t do such a thing.””

            I’ve never needed or wanted to block anyone before on Disqus.
            So just because you knew – doesn’t make me evil – but it proves how evil you are to laugh out loud – because I attempted to block you – and then I found out I couldn’t – you’re evil.

            Yet you falsely accuse me of getting “”all worked up that he can’t even think straight””

            you’re a false witness that speaketh lies ….
            I AM always thinking straight – you liar – and I never got all worked up – I AM just tired of your lies – but GOD SEES ALL.
            you’re already REAPING what you’ve SOWN and you’re going to REAP some more for your wickedness.

            you’re just a lunatic – who said no one is in hell.
            I said there are plenty of people in hell
            then you start changing the wording to fit your wickedness to lake of fire.

            I NEVER said anything about any lake of fire.
            I always said hell – you lying witch

          • Bingo

            Yeah an evil mouth like yours reveals an evil heart. You’ve become UNHINGED!

            “Speaketh lies” and the constant use of that phrase is an archaic way of speaking, which shows you have some sort of strange affectation, and more than likely fancy yourself as some sort of prophet. Nothing could be further from the truth.

            You are quite the lunatic who holds to a demonic conceit, and cannot stand it when someone of God confronts him about what actual “hell” he is talking about—which would lend to a “discussion”—do you even KNOW what that is???

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            I AM not in the business of discussion with witches like you – nor debates – but I will continue to EXPOSE you for what and who you are. – Specially since you have to always have deceptions, lies and tricks in each and every statement when you continue to try and have the last world.

            MORE PROOF of your sorcery tricks ……
            1.) you’re sparring – I AM not –
            2.) you stated there are no people in hell – you weren’t clear – but demanding I be clear because I said there are many people in hell.

            3.) rick warren flip flopped – what ever he said to his congregation should have been from GOD and no secret and shouldn’t be hid from the those outside of his congregation – yet you argued against it because rick warren is one of your gods.

            you also treat him as if no one is to mention any wrongs he did.
            YET THE HOLY BIBLE speaks of the wrongs of many of GOD’S CHOSEN – but rick warren is above all of them in your delusional mind.

            4.) Dr. Myles Monroe is not teaching any false doctrine.
            THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN if BIGGER than CHRIST – CHRIST WAS BIRTHED, DIED, AROSE and STILL LIVES for THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN which is THE GOOD NEWS and what CHRIST PREACHERS – but still you attacked me on my initial POST on that as well as you did me on rick warren’s article of his regretting the video he made on BIBLICAL MARRIAGE.

            5.) you’re just like those racist hate groups on the other article – THUS the reason you attacked me even there – and you admitted to stalking me to see my comments on other articles.

            you’re leading no one to CHRIST and neither are you attempting to lead anyone to CHRIST – but you attack many people for not believing what you believe you hate filled arrogant witch.

            You’ve been EXPOSED.

          • Bingo

            As you see fit to argue double, I am happy to rely on God’s promise to me to give me, His prisoner of Hope, double for my trouble!

            Zechariah 9:12
            Return to the stronghold,
            You prisoners of hope.
            Even today I declare
            That I will restore double to you.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            you’re an expert witch – using “” psychological projection””

            LOL .. I peeped you out from the first day I met you through your demonic, evil, satanic and wicked spirit.

            1 John 4:1 ►Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

            John 8:44 ►
            Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

          • Bingo

            The only thing I am expert in is Jesus and His word.

            The only thing you do is peep. Open your eyes and take in the fullness of Christ available to you instead of [peeping into what you think is satanic and isn’t in the least. Stop being foolish. you reveal only that you have no spiritual discernment, are heeding lying spirits, and have become one yourself.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            rick warren’s congregation must not be a part of THE BODY OF CHRIST…. since what he says to his congregation is top secret and only for them.

            If it was for THE BODY OF CHRIST – he shouldn’t be regretting the video about BIBLICAL MARRIAGE.

            you’re an expert witch – using “” psychological projection””

            LOL .. I peeped you out from the first day I met you through your demonic, evil, satanic and wicked spirit.

            1 John 4:1 ►Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

            John 8:44 ►
            Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

          • Bingo

            Any Christian at Saddleback is a part of the Body of Christ. when Rick decides to speak to the sheep God has given Him–the members of Saddleback—he has the right to do so, and the obligation, as their shepherd under God.

            You have an incredible lack of understanding about the role of a church pastor.

            Just keep yapping and prove it even more solidly.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            Any WISDOM OF GOD passed down to THE BODY OF CHRIST from A TRUE PASTOR OF GOD – there should be no regret.

          • Bingo

            Why wouldn’t he regret speaking to his own people and having the world chime in on it with negativity. Of course he would regret it. So would you.

            Such simpletons here!

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            your words … not mine …

            “”Why wouldn’t he regret speaking to his own people and having the world chime in on it with negativity. “”

            you just EXPOSED your god rick warren….

            he shouldn’t care what the world says –
            any leader, preacher or teacher of THE GOSPEL of THE KINGDOM OF GOD or CHRIST or CHRIST’S WAY
            should NEVER be concerned about what the world says.

            John 15:18 ►
            If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.
            Matthew 10:22 ►
            And ye shall be hated of all men for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.

            Romans 12:2 ►

            And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.

            You’ve just been EXPOSED again with your false doctrines now.

            “”we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.””

            So now you are EXPOSING that rick warren doesn’t have on THE WHOLE ARMOUR OF GOD. Since he is concerned about the world responding negatively to BIBLICAL MARRIAGE.

            Ephesians 6:10-18 ►
            10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
            11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
            12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
            13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
            14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
            15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
            16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
            17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
            18 Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints;

            Ephesians 2:2 ►Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

          • Bingo

            I will always defend a pastor’s right and privilege to speak to the people God has placed in his care without having the world chime in with its ungodly and wolfish nonsense.

            You just exposed yourself as a religious zealot, and phony and pretentious to boot…nothing more, except stupid.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            you just ADMITTED to going against scripture. I AM DONE.

            John 15:18 ►

            If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

          • Bingo

            Oh really? You most definitely have a disability with regard to perception. God can heal you.

          • Bingo

            You are just like the wickedness you accuse everyone else of having.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            I don’t accuse “”everyone”” else you liar – only a few like you have I ran across ….. you lying witch

          • Bingo

            You accuse constantly…and try to assert predominance with such frenzy…just like a demoniac does.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            I don’t accuse you falsely – I continue to reveal to all readers how much a false witness and liar you are.

            MORE PROOF of your sorcery tricks ……
            1.) you’re sparring – I AM not –
            2.) you stated there are no people in hell – you weren’t clear – but demanding I be clear because I said there are many people in hell.

            3.) rick warren flip flopped – what ever he said to his congregation should have been from GOD and no secret and shouldn’t be hid from the those outside of his congregation – yet you argued against it because rick warren is one of your gods.

            you also treat him as if no one is to mention any wrongs he did.
            YET THE HOLY BIBLE speaks of the wrongs of many of GOD’S CHOSEN – but rick warren is above all of them in your delusional mind.

            4.) Dr. Myles Monroe is not teaching any false doctrine.
            THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN if BIGGER than CHRIST – CHRIST WAS BIRTHED, DIED, AROSE and STILL LIVES for THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN which is THE GOOD NEWS and what CHRIST PREACHERS – but still you attacked me on my initial POST on that as well as you did me on rick warren’s article of his regretting the video he made on BIBLICAL MARRIAGE.

            5.) you’re just like those racist hate groups on the other article – THUS the reason you attacked me even there – and you admitted to stalking me to see my comments on other articles.

            you’re leading no one to CHRIST and neither are you attempting to lead anyone to CHRIST – but you attack many people for not believing what you believe you hate filled arrogant witch.

            You’ve been EXPOSED.

          • Bingo

            Here we go in your triple copy and paste job falsely accusing a follower of Christ. You remind me of the messenger of Satan sent to accuse Paul constantly.

            I am in most excellent company. There is a cloud of witnesses urging me on! Praise Jesus!

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            I can repeat myself as many times as I want – I want all to see the same PROOF against you.

            you’re an expert witch – using “” psychological projection””

            LOL .. I peeped you out from the first day I met you through your demonic, evil, satanic and wicked spirit.

            1 John 4:1 ►Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

            John 8:44 ►
            Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

          • Bingo

            All you EVER do is repeat your asinine accusations. You look like a moron. Keep it up, for the Lord will vindicate me and take vengeance out on you.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            ALL ?????? Is a lie from the pits of hell.
            I AM only acting like this towards you – because of you bearing false witness against me, being a false witness speaking lies and making up lies about me – showing no remorse when I call you out on your wickedness.

            you’re an expert witch – using “” psychological projection””

            LOL .. I peeped you out from the first day I met you through your demonic, evil, satanic and wicked spirit.

            1 John 4:1 ►Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

            John 8:44 ►
            Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

          • Bingo

            Yep, “ALL”, as you have fixated yourself on me. Weirdo.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            psychological projection ….
            1.) I made a comment on the article about rick warren.
            Without look at anyone else’s comments.
            I was led by THE HOLY SPIRIT OF THE MOST HIGH GOD in regards as his regret for making a video about BIBLICAL MARRIAGE.

            you came in attack me, what I said and THE TRUTH.
            After you had already been attacking, harassing and slandering others who was against rick warren.

            I AM not against rick warren – I AM only against a few things he has done in the PUBLIC’S VIEW that is not of GOD.

            2.) I AM not fixated on you – you are the one fixated on me – which is why you continue to seek to get the last word.

            I AM about to allow you to have it too.

            3.) you’re the wierdo – you attacked me – because on that rick warren article – you were going at it with almost everyone who said something about rick warren you didn’t like – as if he was your god.

          • Bingo

            You’ve PROVEN and DISPLAYED that you are not led by Holy Spirit, but you act on your own sense of personal pride.

            Yep, you’ve fixated on me and that is why you duplicate your posts continually. Nothing new to say–no discussion–just pompous bombast and vile name-calling.

            My God is Yahweh, the one and only God, Jehovah Tsidkenu, Jehovah Shalom.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            I AM only responding to your false allegations against me.
            I have that right. Since you won’t stop replying back
            but you’re about to have the last word real soon.

            If you had some real wisdom ?
            You would know GOD’S TRUE NAME to be YAHU or CHRIST as YAHASHAH

          • Bingo

            Allegations? You open your mouth and your phoniness falls out.

          • Bingo

            LOL, eh? Hahahaha!

          • Linda Hudson

            @Bingo @DennisCLatham:disqus…..you two have hijacked this thread with your incessant fighting back and forth over nonsense. IF you are both Christians, do either one of you honestly believe that our Heavenly Father is happy with the behaviour of either one of you? I think not, for our God is a God of peace and love and truth. You two are behaving like your father is the devil himself.

          • Bingo

            Don’t worry. He’s gone now. I am not the nonsensical one. It was a while ago if you’d check your dates.

          • Linda Hudson

            Doesn’t matter how long ago and, yes, I did check my dates. You both were behaving childish….and you still are. Someone’s mommy should have washed out that mouth with soap years ago.

          • Bingo

            I don’t believe I was behaving childishly, although it looks that way to some. Being told I am a demon and Jezebel and all sorts of other stupid names, is childish. I had the choice to be silent or to answer, and I chose to defend myself against a pretty frenzied brute. My mouth is blessed, and filled with praises to my King, thanks.

          • Bingo

            Best to leave it in the past than try to resurrect it, eh?

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            A false witness that speaketh lies
            A false witness that speaketh lies
            A false witness that speaketh lies
            A false witness that speaketh lies
            A false witness that speaketh lies
            A false witness that speaketh lies
            A false witness that speaketh lies

            I read the whole article you liar – and even provided more PROOF of rick warrens flip flopping …..

            you’re a false witness that speaketh lies – again you have committed an abomination unto GOD.

            Proverbs 6:16-19
            16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
            17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
            18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
            19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

          • Bingo

            If you’ve read the article, you’ve done as so many others have done—taken the wrong meaning, and now you’re off and running. there is no evidence of any “flip-flopping”. It is clear you lack spiritual wisdom, and therefore are no better than those who sit and chirp self-righteously about a servant o the Most High God. You can only wish for the same blessing of God that has been heaped on Mr. Warren. Envy and vile suspicion is all you can muster.

            You point at me, yet you are the one speaking lies about a brother. Repentance is your only option, now.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            I read the article – but you falsely accused me of not reading it – not you say if I read it – something else …. you bring up – only to continue confusion to protect your deceptions, lies and tricks.

          • Bingo

            I am not talking about another article in this discussion. If you want to, go there and rant all you like. Foolish person!

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            James 1:8
            A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

            Just look at you – attempting to try and control what I talk about on this article.

            I AM going to discuss and talk about how you have acted on the other article, this article and other articles – because you are wicked.

            You’re unstable in all of your ways.

          • Bingo

            Look at you!! You cannot carry on a discussion if your life depended on it. You can’t stop attacking those who oppose your point of view. Look who the controller is, really! YOU.

            There’s nothing unstable about me, Bubba.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            LORD LORD LORD …. wow ….. Just because I STAND and STAY on THE TRUTH doesn’t mean I AM attacking you –

            you say I AM attacking you because I won’t bend, bow or compromise with you evil – and that’s why your pissed.

            you can’t, don’t, and won’t ever control or manipulate me you double minded witch of satan.

            Each encounter with you – you have attacked me FIRST.
            On rick warrens follow and not here on this article.

            You attack my initial statement and stand alone comment.
            by making it personal and un-spiritual.

            Instead of correcting me with RIGHTEOUSNESS or TRUTH.
            you attempt to control and manipulate me with abominations unto GOD, deceptions, lies and tricks.

          • Bingo

            You don;t stand on truth, because in your great pride, you are believing lies about others.

            Your language is as one who has yet to meet the Saviour.

            Romans 10:9-10
            that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. 10 For with the heart one believes unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            have the last word liar. you false witness that speaketh lies

          • Bingo

            Grow up, little boy.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            in your mind – anyone who believes hell isn’t empty is going to hell and knows not CHRIST or SCRIPTURES.

          • Bingo

            Tell us, Dennis: When did Judgment Day occur?

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            EACH PARABLE JESUS SPOKE was of TRUTH – not make believe.

            A false witness that speaketh lies
            A false witness that speaketh lies
            A false witness that speaketh lies
            A false witness that speaketh lies
            A false witness that speaketh lies
            A false witness that speaketh lies
            A false witness that speaketh lies

            you’re a false witness that speaketh lies – again you have committed an abomination unto GOD.

            Proverbs 6:16-19
            16 These six things doth the Lord hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him:
            17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
            18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief,
            19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren.

          • Bingo

            Repetition like that is a sign of discombobulation.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            repetition to try and wake you up to your false accusations and lies … but you can only throw insults and slander.

            more deceptions, lies and tricks

          • Bingo

            You have no power to wake anyone up. False judgment and name-calling is your only strength.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            I call a liar a liar – and you are a liar – that’s the only thing you’re mad about – you’ve continuously sinned against me from the beginning – and committed abominations unto GOD….

            you refuse to repent from any of this – because you hate me and are moving through your emotions and flesh.

            I AM about done with the likes of you – the best thing will be for me to block a witch like you. However – I have to warn others about you FIRST.

          • Bingo

            I am no liar, Dennis. You are listening to the father of lies and letting him take the lead, and you have sinned against me since the beginning, calling me a Jezebel, a demon and a witch. That is unholy speech from the pit. Your behaviour is exactly like a vile and contentious unbeliever.

            Repent. Receive forgiveness and ask for Holy Spirit’s filling.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            You are a liar. I have PROVEN it too many times.
            You think you speak from the spirit – but you speak from your emotions and flesh – and that causes you to be a false witness that speaketh lies.

            I have only spoken against your deceptions, lies and tricks.
            you’re pathetic. I have too much work to do to attempt to CORRECT you when you can’t be corrected because of your hate for me.

          • Bingo

            I haven’t lied once, and you cannot prove it.

            You’re the one whose emotionalism is so inflated…like a crazy person. Your flesh is so sizzling hot with fury and antagonism that you don’t know what to do with it but to spit out angry, bitter words that is sin.

            You can’t detect deception when you have switched off the Spirit of God. So, -go to God and accept His correction and rebuke for your diabolical grudge.

            In Jesus’ name.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            yes you have – you’ve lied several time and you have been a false witness that speaketh lies too many times.

            I have PROVEN it too many times – you just avoid and run when I PROVE it – you liar. Always changing the subject or piling on another topic.

            you need some serious help – only CHRIST can help you though – medication ain’t going to cut it.

            you liar – and abomination unto GOD.

            oh … there’s always this lie ……
            you said you only worship JESUS and only JESUS
            when I checked you on that – you came back to say you worship GOD too – but you said JESUS ONLY 3 TIMES before changing up you lunatic.

          • Bingo

            You are the one who is lying continually. You are just full of hatred and want to shut me up and that irks you.

            Wait until you stand before God and realize you’ve been slandering a strong believer who has been used of God in mighty ways.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            I in no way want to shut you up – that’s another lie.
            I don’t care about you having all the FREEWILL to do and say what ever you want when and where ever you want.

            I just know – if you make a comment about me or in a reply to one of my POSTS …. and it contains lies about me or false information about the subject ? I AM going to condemn each tongue that rises against me in judgment and I AM going to speak THE WHOLE HOLY TRUTH against your lies.

            I AM not like you – I don’t make up lies about someone because I AM against them or because I don’t like what they did or say to get others to hate them. I just give THE WHOLE HOLY TRUTH.

            I’ll be glad to stand before GOD – I stand before HIM each and every day and each and every night you witch.

            you stand with satan – while you attempt to play christian.

            I’ve seen you attack people – who are not believers – and not once did you attempt to lead them to CHRIST – instead you insulted them to run them away from CHRIST because you were claiming CHRIST you witch.

          • Bingo

            I guess it matters not the lies you speak about me and others, then.

            Wow, are you ever in a God complex!

            Strange little man.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            I have only spoken THE TRUTH about your actions here ….
            please have the last word …

          • Bingo

            Your truth is not THE truth.

          • Todd Davis (A3rdheaven)

            I have to say that you are wrong. People are burning in hell this very hour. They will be release out of hell for judgement which is the White Throne Judgement. That is for sinners. You have to read Revelation 20:11. Those who were not found in the Lamb’s Book of Life are cast into the lake of fire. The bible also says that death and hades (HELL) are cast into the lake of fire. People you must read your bible and pray for the understanding.

          • Bingo

            I am NOT wrong. Judgment Day will see the wicked burning in fire and brimstone. Until then, they do suffer because they are in a godless place awaiting God’s justice.

            Read the word and discover God’s plan, chronologically.

          • Todd Davis (A3rdheaven)

            People are in hell burning right now. I guess you forgot to read that part about the rich man and the begger. The rich man went to hell/hades and wanted a drop of water. The begger was on the other side….

          • Bingo

            No one is burning in the Lake of Fire and brimstone right now, as Judgment Day has not occurred. The story of the rich man and the beggar is a parable.

          • JudeThree

            There are no in between places. It is appointed unto man once to die, then the judgement.

          • Bingo

            Right. Judgment Day is afar off…at least a bit more than a millennium away. All the dead outside of Christ are awaiting judgment, and will do until the Great White Throne Judgment, and the Lake of Fire is open for business.

        • John Mouphy

          It is not about what I can for God it is about what he can do for me, Peter was told by Jesus that ,”Unless I wash you, you have no part with me.” [John 13:8]. So if I don’t allow the LORD to minister to me in my pride, that’s what makes man go to hell, The son of man didn’t come to be served but to serve, and when he showed by example the message was not even serving God directly, but by serving him through serving others, we serve God directly when we serve others in response to what Jesus showed/taught by example. So you should know you bible, you can’t give to God what you haven’t received from him. We first receive in his breathe and we can Exhale. Pride makes us think we can do anything for God, it is a lie from the devil. We give what he has given us first. It is God working in us to both will and do his good pleasure. You idea of doing things for God is vague.

        • Estelle Baatjes

          While we are not all perfect and without sin but judging Miles Munroe ,Many has come to the Lord because of his calling. people who is not in the Ministry are judging him,What have all the Judges who are judging, done for Christ?NOTHING!!! ZERO!! ZILCH they sit around judging,they no heavenly good and neither are they any earthly good as well.It is time to see everyone through the eyes of Christ. Jesus is no liar his promise he said every knee shall bow and every tongue confess that he is LORD no one shall be lost if they call on his name.You will be punished here on earth look at yourself what happens to you when you do things to people and think you are going to get away.do not look for the skeleton in others Back yard when you have a graveyard in your back yard.Take head to keep yourself spiritually clean fight for your own salvation with fear and trembling seek Christ and become matured in the word so that you can become blameless.This I am saying out of love to all perfect Judges..

          • Jean Adams

            True we are told not to judge. I disagree that everyone who calls on Jesus will be saved. Jesus says in the last days many people will call my name and I will say I do not know you.

        • Recognizing_Truth

          And how is this speaking the truth in love? How does this show the mind of Christ which we are told to have – that was willing to suffer anything for the joy set before Him, that of conquering death by dying in accordance with God’s will, for our sins?

          We must be careful not to let our blessed position as redeemed by Christ give rise to pride and arrogance at thinking we are somehow better than those who walk in ignorance:

          All (you and me, too) have sinned and fallen short of the Glory of God. (Rom 3:23)

          There is none righteous, no, not one; There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God. They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one (Rom 3:10, Ps 14:1-3, Ps 53:1-3, Ecc 7:20)

          Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus and by the Spirit of our God. (1 Cor 6:9-11)

          It is only by God’s grace that we have been saved – let us show some of that same grace to others, too.

        • Breckmin

          how do you know that God didn’t take him home to heaven in order to prevent future false teaching? He still knew Jesus
          even if he didn’t understand the wholeness of the gospel

      • http://www.christianvideo4free.com/ Peter Stone

        He was a false teacher,

      • Chrissy Vee

        So far I see 60-16votes up on the wolf. Open your eyes John.

        • John Buchanan

          Looks like the Pharisees are winning.

          • Chrissy Vee

            Wow. Well, at least you have your pride.

          • John Buchanan

            Maybe you should give thought next time to using a forum like this in the wake of tragedy when a minister of the Gospel’s life is cut short, leaving children behind and you show no sensitivity. Your comments were cold and calloused. Whether you identify with his ministry or not , whether you agree with his theology or not , your comments do not reflect the heart of Jesus. I’ve been in the presence of great theologians that were not nice people. Religious devils keep more people from coming to Christ than any other type. Who are you to judge another man’s servant ? The world treats people better. How many people come to Christ from lofty, high minded , pompous preachers that are full of the word ….and themselves. The Bible says it’s God’s kindness that leads sinners to repentance, so Christians should be kind people. Yet you showed Myles Munroe no kindness.

          • Chrissy Vee

            Obviously, you did not read all of my posts. You have been trying to judge me since your very first comment to me. You felt the need to leave your sarcastic remarks, but couldn’t handle the response. So now, you are trying another angle… judging my walk with Christ. Not that it is any of your business, but I cried and prayed for him, his family and this whole situation last night. That continued this morning. It affected me in a very profound way. I am sure you don’t believe me as you are an arrogant, judgemental person. When people like you are calling out Christians who believe he was a false prophet, you are doing it in a pompous, immature, ungodly manner. Some people have been insensitive, yes. Others are just being honest and having their character and spiritual walk attacked by those who don’t agree. Just stop it.
            Look at YOURSELF and drop your pride. You are wise in your own eyes. I think you are a fool.

          • John Buchanan

            I don’t care what you think..I care what Myles Munroe’s children would think if they went on this site and saw all your mean-spirited comments about their father. Calling him a false prophet , which is another word for liar. Your character assassination of the man could not be more ill timed.. I met the man, saw his heart , heard him preach on four occasions, have books and tapes of some of his messages that are spot on, Biblically correct , annointed messages . The kind that changes lives. So no I don’t take kindly to you bashing on someone that I admire and respect spiritually. How does it edify anyone ? Intellectual Christians are full of scripture and arrogance, but void of love. People that have been forgiven much love much. They are two different camps. I have no interest in being on the theological debate team. God chooses to use the base, lowly , foolish things of this world, which qualifies me, to confound the wise.See 1 Cor.1:27 for details

          • BranonDavies

            We must sympathise with anyone who is bereaved and as Christians we must show love at all times unto all. We have a cardinal responsibility towards Christ which is to declare Him and warn all to beware of those who misrepresent Christ because it is a grave thing to misrepresent Christ. We are given in the Scriptures not to associate with anyone who does not bring the doctrine of Christ 2 John 11. The doctrine of Christ is He coming in the flesh to take the place of sinners on the cross. And by His death we who trust in Him are eternally saved. By His resurrection, we have the assurance of justification. The knowledge of these truths places us in position to judge things and come to the conclusion as to whether what has been said is of God or not. You can see that this man, while alive did not preach Christ. He was so plane about it. He was more concerned about how we can get bye in this world, which is not Christianity. I understand your emotions. Judgement of believers belongs to God, but we are given to discern and come to judgement as to what is said and note who said it in order to be careful and not be carried away by doctrines that not of God. One thing is also important, Christians who have enjoyed the grace of God, must learn to be graceful at all times.

          • Chrissy Vee

            You have a funny way of showing that you don’t care what I think. I am sorry but I have to end this relationship. No one can break through that pride but Jesus. Goodbye.

          • John Buchanan

            I didn’t know we were dating

          • Chrissy Vee

            You couldn’t be so unlucky. Haha 😀 Peace.

          • T C

            Yes, Miles Munroe was a liar. He blasphemed God. What else do you need to look for to convince you?

          • John Buchanan

            Sorry, comments are now closed. You may go to
            http://www.pharisee.com

          • T C

            Wouldn’t you love for the comments to be closed. You can always try putting your hands over your eyes so as not to see anything that may reflect negatively on this apostate, Munroe. Keep in mind this article is under the caption on this site that says, “apostacy”.

          • David Matthews

            2 Timothy 2:23-25 ESV
            Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know
            that
            they breed quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but
            kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting
            his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance
            leading to a knowledge of the truth.

          • John Buchanan

            I agree. Thanks for the reminder.

      • Chiedu7

        John I also saw him speak and can tell you that he was heretic.

        SOME OF DR MYLYES MUNROE’S HERESIES IN THE LINKS

        ]He condemns the preaching of the blood of Jesus

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bb5oE5VQLdo#t=10

        See him deny that Jesus did not come to earth to go to the cross

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djnvuci-8X8

        1. He said that Paul did not preach Jesus.

        http://www.victorstephens.com/victorstephenswebsite_124.htm

        2. Listen to him condemn the Cross, The Blood and so much.
        In fact saying that speaking about the cross is demonic.

        http://www.victorstephens.com/victorstephenswebsite_125.htm

        3. He said Jesus never said you must be born-again.

        http://www.victorstephens.com/victorstephenswebsite_123.htm

        4. He said that the Good News is not about Calvary & the Resurrection

        http://www.victorstephens.com/victorstephenswebsite_122.htm

        5. He said Jesus Didn’t Preach About Himself

        http://www.victorstephens.com/victorstephenswebsite_126.htm

        6. Myles Munroe said Jesus never died

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HJplOFenVWk

        • John Buchanan

          Do you know what selective listening is ? In it’s purest sense it is not listening to an entire message but YouTube snippets or otherwise known as sound bite Christianity. When I was studying the five fold ministry offices this morning, I didn’t notice the doctrine police as one. Is that a special calling ? Has your railing against heresy been an effective tool in winning lost people to Jesus ? How does that translate to telling someone the can be set free from heroin addiction ? When you are up under highways and hedges sharing the love of Jesus to homeless men and telling them how Jesus can change their life, do you tell them there’s a caveat ? Only with sound doctrine. Maybe you could help me. I do prison ministry, you know the bad guys. Should I tell them about 2 Corinthians 5:17 and the new creation realities and that God loves them and wants to forgive them , and that He has a great plan for their life ……..but only if they adhere to sound doctrine that is theologically correct ? Doctrine police are like the older brother. They just don’t understand why God would celebrate prodigals coming home. Why would you embrace those that left church and all the sound teaching for the hog pen ? Why wouldn’t God celebrate me since I never went out into the bar scene, drugs, sexual sin. Surely the theologian should be celebrated. The real question is how many people have you won to Jesus in the last year ? Salvation is by grace alone my friend , because of what Jesus Christ has done , not you and not your theology. You didn’t earn it by study and investing hours with Strong’s Exhaustive Concordance. Because of what Jesus did on the cross, your debt and my debt is paid . You do however , owe every man love, including Myles Munroe.

        • Bingo

          Do you go around telling all about the blood? Do people know what you’re talking about? Is there any wonder why people think Christians are weird? How does the blood and the cross help the man working next to you who has a huge mortgage and may lose his house, and his family with four kids may be foreclosed on and end up in the street? No—Munroe was teaching that we need to be relevant in our message. We need to feed the hungry, clothe the naked, help the poor. When we do that, our message of salvation in Jesus will be greeted with interest, and even joy. This is relevant evangelism. Years ago, they called it “lifestyle evangelism” and that is what works.

          • David Matthews

            If you think you know so much, how are we going to reach the up and coming generations? That’s a whole other ball of wax, and ONLY GOD knows how to do that. God will use those who are listening and do what he says, not those who over-think everything and think they know better.
            Proverbs 3:5 ESV… Trust in the LORD with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding.

          • Bingo

            We reach the next generations through leading by being living examples of Jesus Christ…as has always been the case since the inception of the Church.

          • David Matthews

            The new generations are different and Gods plan is different for reaching them. Using old ways does not open new doors. People in their twenties are leaving the church in droves because most leaders are not listening to God and doing as he says. Examples of Christ?

            Isiah 64:6… We have all become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous deeds are like a polluted garment. We all fade like a leaf, and our iniquities, like the wind, take us away.

            Sorry to burst your bubble, but no man can be an example of Christ. We are ALL sinners and have fallen short. We must point people to Jesus and let Him be His own example.

            Jeremiah 9:23-24 ESV…Thus says the Lord: “Let not the wise man boast in his wisdom, let not the mighty man boast in his might, let not the rich man boast in his riches, but let him who boasts boast in this, that he understands and knows me, that I am the Lord who practices steadfast love, justice, and righteousness in the earth. For in these things I delight, declares the Lord.”

            Boasting in your “knowledge” all over this tread does nothing for the kingdom and only make you look like a Pharisee.

          • Bingo

            Different? New ways? Jesus tells us to go and preach the gospel to every creature. Are you selling Chryslers?

            As Christians we ARE TO BE examples of Jesus. I know countless individuals who are shining examples of Jesus Christ in this dark world. We are light. We are salt. Don’t presume to say that there is no such thing! We are not sinners—we are saints who were once nothing BUT sinners.

            You have a contrariness that comes out in falsely accusing people of boasting. You, sir, are the Pharisee.

          • David Matthews

            Only God can help you.

          • Bingo

            God does help me—every day, because I have a relationship with Him. Do you? Certainly nothing you’ve added here helps anyone.

          • David Matthews

            You need to read your bible!

          • Bingo

            I do read my bible, and what I have noted stands.

      • nick777

        Paul said the gospel is the cross. In rim 1:16 it’s the wisdom and power of God. Paul said I didn’t know anything among you except Jesus Christ and Him crucified. The statements above make him an apostate. Not the true things he may have said. The devils has said true things and mixed them with lies since time began. Why wouldn’t a false teacher. Jesus said the whole volume of a all scriptures are about Him. God is all.

        • John Buchanan

          Why don’t you try preaching that same message every Sunday for five years and see what you have . It would be called spiritual midgets as in no growth. Paul only wrote about two thirds of the New Testament and it sure covered a lot more than an altar call. I’m sure you are all about that altar call and how many people raise their hands . Let’s just forget about healing. Provision, miracles, destiny and purpose and so many other subjects I saw Myles grapple with . I’m quite sure you have never read his books, tapes or heard him preach. The doctrine police and heretic watch group are all divisions of MDP. That stands for Modern Day Pharisees .

      • DontLikeWimps

        Whoa….you better read the bible again….Yea must be born again is very clearly explained by Jesus to the man that asked him….do you mean I must again enter my mother’s womb and be born again…then Jesus explained very thoroughly what being born again means. This man was being a false prophet, God will not be pleased with him, maybe that’s why him, his wife and daughter were all taken…God had enough of him distorting his word.

        • Bingo

          If that isn’t a carnal condemnation, I don’t know what is.

        • John Buchanan

          Yea, God just swats planes out of the sky because He can. I guess He also allowed MLK to be shot because he wasn’t really preaching the Gospel , but being a racial pot stirrer. The conversation thread was two months ago but you thought it okay to troll along and chime in with your two cents. I doubt very seriously, you ever met Myles Munroe, ever heard him teach, or read one of his books. You better quit misrepresenting who God is and start worrying about your own salvation. There is a part of the Bible you should read, it’s called New Testament . It demonstrates a loving , merciful God who loved humanity enough to send His only Son to die on a cross for the sins of the world. It demonstrates a dispensation called grace. It speaks of five fold ministry offices , one of them being teacher. That’s what Myles Munroe was , someone who was graced to teach about finding your purpose in the Kingdom of God and fulfilling your destiny. Calling someone a false prophet , who was a good man, who loved Jesus , and loved God’s people, is slander. You better read the Bible again sir. There is nothing Godly about your post

      • Dr. Gary Almodovar

        It is about the Kingdom

        • Dr. Gary Almodovar

          But Jesus is the only way to the father they go hand in hand

          • Jean Adams

            So they must both be preached. Jesus said he came to preach The Gospel of The Kingdom of God, so should everyone else, along with preaching salvation through the sacrifice of Jesus

        • John Buchanan

          Amen. Myles taught Kingdom.

      • Recognizing_Truth

        John, John. Would you deny that the entire New Testament is false then?

        Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel which I preached to you, which also you received and in which you stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast that word which I preached to you—unless you believed in vain. For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures, and that He was seen by Cephas, then by the twelve. After that He was seen by over five hundred brethren at once, of whom the greater part remain to the present, but some have fallen asleep. After that He was seen by James, then by all the apostles. Then last of all He was seen by me also, as by one born out of due time. (1 Cor 15:1-8)

        The Good News (gospel) is that Jesus, God the Son come in the flesh as the Son of God – Jesus of Nazareth, Lord and Christ – died for our sins, and rose to show us that death was conquered (the wages of sin no longer exists for Christ is the propitiation for our sin). That’s the gospel.

        You are deceived into thinking that anything we get, anything we do, can ever be esteemed higher than the person and work of Jesus Christ. He is not the “means to an end” He is the preeminence and the beginning and the end (alpha and omega).

        Please stop listening to false prophets and false teachers and read God’s word directly, praying that the Holy Spirit will show you Truth so you may reject the error you currently believe.

      • Breckmin

        I Corinthians 2:2

      • JudeThree

        You need to learn scripture in context and in the proper dispensation. Before Christ fulfilled the entire law and prophets through His death, burial and resurrection, the law was the way.

        • Bingo

          What are you countering in John Buchanan’s comment?

    • Holly B

      Could not of said it better.

    • Jean Adams

      Jesus many times said “I come to preach The Gospel” “I come to preach the Gospel of The Kingdom” and “I come to preach The Gospel of The Kingdom of God”. So that was one of his missions. Jesus also came to be the passover sacrifice which would redeem mankind. Only through Jesus can you reach The Kingdom. Only following the ways of living to attain “The Kingdom” will you reach it. According to the Gospel that Jesus came to preach.

    • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

      I AM sure you didn’t even listen to the sermon – you put your trust in man – and not in GOD – and believed the deceptions, lies and tricks this site told you – because it has the name christian in it…… that kind of mess won’t allow you into THE KINGDOM OF GOD.

    • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

      Just because JESUS said it – doesn’t mean HE PREACHED IT – you’re missing THE WHOLE POINT …. the POINT OF CHRIST is THE GOSPEL OF THE KINGDOM OF GOD / HEAVEN.

      You are only taking on the ways of satan because of this unholy and unsanctified website has pre-programmed your mind and now ? You’re running with it.

    • Breckmin

      we don’t know how many times Jesus taught the concept of born-again.

      This preacher is guilty of “isolating” specifics out of the whole message.
      The good news includes the Resurrection includes His Perfect Sacrifice
      (His suffering on the cross) includes that we can have spiritual regeneration
      includes eternal life and the Kingdom (both immediate and future), etc.

      The good news includes everything together which makes salvation
      possible and how it does and will bless us. Wisdom is not myopic.

  • Terri Giordano Brown

    “Monroe, an Oral Roberts University graduate…” This makes me seriously question the teaching at ORU.

    • JOB2001

      Not fair. No school can be held responsible for all its graduates. (and I’m no fan of ORU)

      • Terri Giordano Brown

        Life isn’t fair.

    • John Buchanan

      I’d bet my life that you never heard him teach

      • Terri Giordano Brown

        Who? Monroe? No. And I wouldn’t anyway. I’m an Orthodox Catholic. I don’t listen to Protestants.

        • John Buchanan

          So you thought it okay to take a cheap shot at a preacher you’d never heard , who’s life just ended tragically ?

          • Terri Giordano Brown

            You thought that was a cheap shot? Wow. You must be a very frustrated person. I’m sorry for you. And I will not be commenting further, so if you want to keep throwing stones feel free. I won’t be reading any more comments on this thread. I find it hilarious that you people have no better things to do than to jab at other people’s opinions. I never said I wasn’t sorry he died. I think it’s sad. But he obviously didn’t understand a thing about True Christian teaching.

        • Holly B

          Catholic – that explains it!

          • Terri Giordano Brown

            Protestant? You know nothing. Educate yourself. If you’re an Atheist, I have nothing more to say about it. And for your FYI — I was raised Protestant. I recognized that Orthodoxy is the original, and best. Your comment is ignorant.

          • Holly B

            Sorry Terri if you feel I am ignorant and no honey I am not an atheist. You can flavor it all you want – you are a catholic and you are the ignorant one. I used to be ignorant when I was a catholic – but now I am a born again disciple of Christ – need no religion title to have a relationship with Christ. Blessings to you!

        • David Matthews

          You worship false idols and pray to the dead which are both forbidden. You are no better than an atheist.

          • Terri Giordano Brown

            Your ignorance is astounding. Go read a book and learn about Orthodoxy before you point out any speck that might exist in my eye. Pharisee.

          • David Matthews

            Read a book? the only book I read is the Bible.
            Exodus 20:2-6 ESV… “I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery. “You shall have no other gods before me. “You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them, for I the Lord your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and the fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.
            Jesus was raised from the dead and ascended into heaven, he’s no longer on the cross. The cross with Jesus being crucified on it? Is a false idol.
            1 Timothy 2:5 ESV… For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.
            Praying to the dead is an abomination.
            My apologies, it was not my intention to personally attack you and I can see why you took it that way. I am merely trying to point out the blatant things that the Catholic Church does and are wrong. That does not make me a Pharisee, that is what I am called to do.
            Ephesians 5:11 ESV… Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them.
            The other problem is that the Catholic Church is a religion and all religion is man made and not of God. God calls us to have a relationship with Him, not a religion with Him.

          • Bingo

            I’d never have believed you believe that, what with the way you’re communicating in this thread if you didn’t flat out say it.

            Will wonders never cease?

          • David Matthews

            Oh please, I’m done with you, get away in Jesus name Satan!

          • Bingo

            Get a life, man. This is an old thread and you’re a bloomin’ latecomer, trolling to get a rise out of select posters. Surely you can find another hobby?

            It’s very telling that you cannot discern who are believers out of this discussion. But then again, maybe you do, and have proven your disdain for the Body of Christ?

        • MasterBlasterWon

          “And because I tell you the truth, ye believe me not.” —John 8:45
          I
          don’t mean to be unkind by saying that Catholics are going to Hell; but
          rather, to speak the truth and warn you of the judgment to come (2nd
          Thessalonians 1:8-9; Revelation 20:15). The modernistic idea that we
          should all refrain from criticizing anyone else’s religion is a
          completely evil New World Order philosophy. I’m going to speak the truth
          of God’s Word, even if it offends you. I am going to warn you that you
          are on a wrong road, headed for the bottomless pit, even if you hate me
          for it. I am telling you the truth. Catholicism is a man made religion
          that cannot save you. There is NO salvation in the Catholic Church; only
          idolatry, worshiping of the dead, heathendom, rituals, vain repetitions
          and doctrines of devils (1st Timothy 4:1). Salvation is NOT found in any religion; but rather, in a Person, the precious Lord Jesus Christ!

          Billions of lost sinners are dying in their sins and plunging into Hell
          because of the lying Popes and priests who deceive them. Romans 10:3,
          “For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to
          establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto
          the righteousness of God.” Jesus warned about following the commandments
          of men (Mark 7:6-13). Here’s a list of Catholicism’s man made
          traditions fabricated over the centuries.

          Matthew 23:13, “But
          woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye shut up the
          kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves, neither
          suffer ye them that are entering to go in.” Woe until the Catholic
          Church and their idolatrous worship of idols and images! Exodus 20:4-5
          (the second of the Ten Commandment) strictly forbids even BOWING to
          images. The Vatican has deceitfully removed the 2nd Commandment in their
          Hellish Catechism!

          Satan is a master of deception!!! The Word
          of God states in 2nd Corinthians 11:3-4, “But I fear, lest by any means,
          as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtlety, so your minds should
          be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that
          cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye
          receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel,
          which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.”

          Catholicism preaches ANOTHER GOSPEL and has ANOTHER SPIRIT. The Gospel
          (Catechism) of Catholicism REQUIRES a person to be water baptized into
          the Catholic Church to go to Heaven. Catholics are also REQUIRED to keep
          the Seven Sacraments to go to Heaven. These Sacraments include being
          confirmed by the priest, regular confession to the priest, regular
          observance of the Holy Eucharist with the priest, last rites by the
          priest, etc. The Catholic means of salvation; therefore, weighs heavily
          upon the Catholic priest.

          Catholics are also REQUIRED to do
          good works to go to Heaven. Ask the average Catholic about faith verses
          works and they’ll admit that they’re trusting in FAITH AND WORKS to save
          them (which Romans 11:6 states is impossible). Romans 4:5 states in no
          uncertain terms, “But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that
          justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.”

          When James spoke of being justified by “works,” he was clearly speaking
          about being justified in the eyes of MEN … “I will shew thee my faith
          by my works” (James 2:18). Also, James was writing to believers; not
          the unsaved (James 2:1, “My Brethren…”). With God we are justified by
          faith; but with men by works, because men cannot see our heart as God
          can (1st Samuel 16:7).

          Here is PROOF that James wasn’t
          teaching works salvation … “Was not Abraham our father justified by
          works, when he had offered Isaac his son upon the altar?” (James 2:21).
          Isaac? We read in Genesis 15:6 concerning Abraham, “And he believed in
          the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.” Abraham was saved
          by faith alone in the Lord. Isaac wasn’t even born until Genesis 21:3.
          Clearly, James is referring to two different types of justification
          here. In Genesis 15, Abraham is justified with God by faith ALONE; BUT
          in Genesis 22, Abraham’s faith is justified by works in the eyes of men.

          Catholicism’s spirit is one of idolatrous adoration of the
          Blessed Virgin Mary. In fact, it is a spirit of demonism (1st Timothy
          4:1), as is evident by the vain repetition of 53 “Hail Marys” in a
          standard Rosary prayer. Jesus condemned vain repetitious prayers
          (Matthew 6:7). Yet, they moan like a cult of Satan worshipers. Catholics
          have statues galore. Oh, how rebellious and sinful are the hearts of
          Catholics! They have religion without truth, Churchanity without
          Christianity, and crucifixes without Christ.

          “Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God…” —Exodus 20:5

          “That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven,
          and things in earth, and things under the earth” —Philippians 2:10

          Don’t tell me that Catholicism doesn’t worship Mary!!! Pope John Paul
          II worshiped Our Lady of Fatima (Mary) and not the Lord Jesus Christ.
          Again, the average Catholic is brainwashed with Catechism training and
          knows little about the Bible. The Word of God is clear that we are to
          bow at the name of Jesus (and NO other).

          “That at the name of
          Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth,
          and things under the earth” —Philippians 2:10

          We also read in
          2nd Corinthians 11:13-14, “For such are false apostles, deceitful
          workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. And no
          marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
          Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as
          the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their
          works.”

          Let me ask you a question friend. What religion, or group of ministers,
          are the above Scriptures warning us about? Most people would agree
          that Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses are false prophets. BUT, what about
          Catholicism? How does Catholicism compare to God’s Word? Not very
          well.

          Matthew 23:9 forbids addressing any priest as “Father.”
          1st Timothy 4:1-3 warns of false prophets who would teach “doctrines of
          devils.” What are those devilish doctrines? 1st Timothy 4:3 tells us,
          “Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats…”

          The Catholic Churches’ practice of celibacy is DEMONIC! Catholics are
          not allowed to eat certain meats on Fridays. This teaching is DEMONIC!
          Matthew 6:7 forbids praying in vain repetitions; but that is exactly
          what Catholics do.
          Exodus 20:4-5 prohibits bowing
          to graven images; yet, Catholics defiantly bow anyway, and then have
          the audacity to blaspheme God by saying it’s not idolatry. I am being
          your friend by telling you the truth. Catholicism is religion, no more.
          Religion won’t forgive your sins or take you to Heaven. You need to be
          born-again by the Spirit of God.

          Jesus plainly stated in John
          4:24 that you cannot worship God in heresy. You MUST worship God in
          Truth! Jesus is the Truth (John 14:6). God’s Word is Truth (John 17:17).
          If you’ve never received Jesus Christ as your personal Savior, then I
          plead with you now to trust upon the Lord to forgive your sins.

          Catholics are going to Hell because they have chosen to follow the
          traditions of men, instead of obeying the gospel of Jesus Christ.
          Salvation is without works of self-righteousness (Romans 10:3-4;
          Ephesians 2:8-9; Titus 3:5). Eternal life is a free gift (Romans 5:15;
          6:23), freely offered (Romans 10:13), and freely received (Revelation
          22:17). We are saved by HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS, i.e., the imputed
          righteousness of Jesus Christ (2nd Corinthians 5:21; Matthew 6:33). Our
          part is simply to believe on Jesus as the Christ, the Son of God, to
          forgive our sins (Acts 10:43; John 20:31; John 1:12).

          Many
          people view religion as a good therapy, a necessary part of life; but
          they deny the saving power of the gospel of Jesus Christ, just as 2nd
          Timothy 3:5 says, “Having a form of godliness, but denying the power
          thereof: from such turn away.” Religion cannot take you to Heaven. You
          need to be born-again by the Spirit of God, by the Seed of God’s Word
          (1st Peter 1:23), by faith in Jesus Christ. Galatians 3:26, “For ye are
          all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.”

          “But as many
          as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even
          to them that believe on his name: Which were born, not of blood, nor of
          the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.” —John
          1:12-13

    • Elizabeth Lynn

      However Oral Roberts DID MAKE IT TO HEAVEN…. he won about 60+ MILLION souls to the lord. Also, Kat Kerr is a TRUE PROPHET of God…. commissioned BY GOD HIMSELF to actually talk about Heaven and some who made it there, and Gods actual plans that are being MISINTERPRETED by millions of ministers & people. Watch all of those videos of her on youtube… Kat Kerr is her name. God tells her to tell the people whats actually CORRECTLY happening and what will happen with things related to time and scripture. Everyone MUST WATCH her! God bless all….

      • T C

        Kat Kerr is a false teacher. Birds of a feather flock together.

    • L. Davis

      Terri, I examine all teachings, even when I’m the speaker, by the light of the gospel. I test the teaching through the mouths of two or three witness (in scripture). It’s called being a Berean. I also pray and ask God to show me what is true, because only the truth can make us free, and I know that when I ask for bread, He will not mock my prayer and inquiry by giving me a stone. I think it’s wise of you to say as much in your comment here. The Holy Ghost will lead and guide us into all truth:

      • Holly B

        Don’t let Terri get under your skin – she/he is a troubled soul – we must pray for she/he.

  • Feeling Fabulous

    Wow, sadly, he will learn how wrong he was about Christ in hell! SMH

    • JOB2001

      I don’t know nearly enough about this man’s ministry to make such a blanket condemnation. All Christian’s can err. These snippets are a matter of concern, but they may not represent what this man was trying to say or He may have gotten confused. As a matter of fact, Jesus did preach himself as the King. Please, be careful before concluding, especially publicly, that someone who professed faith in Christ is in Hell. There’s likely much more to the story.

      • Neiman

        If he denied Christ as being everything in the Christian life from a-z, Alpha to Omega, beginning to end, having absolute supremacy, no matter his words, surely he denied Christ. If that is true, then having denied Him he cannot have been saved. Not that this is any Christian’s wish, but it is our obligation to point the fact such a denial is anti-Christ and to warn souls away from such heresy.

        • John Buchanan

          If ? Which tells me you don’t know Dr.Munroe’s teaching, yet thought it okay to take a cheap shot. You must be the self appointed heretic police ? I would recommend a Pharisectomy to you.

          • Neiman

            I can only react based on what is reported and carefully make sure that “If” and “If that is true” are offered as conditions upon which my opinion would be based, allowing for possible errors in reporting. Even if he was just as you think he was, if these words attributed to him are factual, if he denied the Gospel as being about Christ Jesus and Christ alone, that is not a minor error, it is not just a slip of the tongue, it betrays a denial of the centrality of Jesus to Salvation and that life in Him is our only goal. That is heresy! That is anti-Christ!

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Your statement above is loving and conditional (that’s a carefully thought out “IF” you placed in there). You also showed true Jesus-style love toward those who might be led astray, Neiman. And, as a bonus point, you were improperly labeled a Pharisee! (That’s the new way that liberals try to end the conversation when they have nothing to offer intellectually: it has replaced “I am SO offended!”) You score 3 out of 3 there, ole boy! 🙂 If a week goes by and you are not unfairly labeled “intolerant,” “bigoted,” “hateful, “homophobic,” or a “Pharisee,” then you are not succeeding in spreading the Gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, nor would you be pursuing holiness in yourself and your brethren. Keep up the great posts, Neiman: feel the hate, and be blessed by it! (Matthew 5:10-16) God bless!

          • John Buchanan

            You want to know what persecution is, talk to a brother who loves Jesus and is living in Iraq , watching his brothers in Christ burned alive for their faith, or his sisters in Christ being raped and tortured for refusing to convert to Islam. Till then don’t keep patting yourself on the back

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            It would be fascinating to know why you are in favor of not calling out false doctrine and of using name-calling with those who do. Labeling someone a Pharisee for calling out conditional false doctrine when you cannot make an intellectual argument is a sign of tremendous immaturity. It would also be interesting to know why you do not understand the concept of “conditional.”
            But, just to give you a simple Bible lesson, IF ANYONE denies Christ, Christ will deny him. ” “Whoever acknowledges me before others, I will also acknowledge before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before others, I will disown before my Father in heaven.” Matthew 10:32-33. That goes for you, sir, me, Neiman, and the preacher in this article. IF. Whoever. Understand?
            I did not write Matthew 10:32-33. Nor did you. Nor did Neiman. Christ Himself is the Author of His Word. Take it up with Him. If I have been too harsh, I sincerely apologize. God bless!

          • John Buchanan

            Pharisees believed in the intellectual Gospel as well. They saw themselves as astute but they were really asses. They were high minded and used the Word of God as a weapon to hurt people. Knowledge puffs up but love builds up. Having head knowledge of scripture and Jesus pales to knowing the person of Jesus. The Holy Spirit is my teacher so I don’t need to try to outwit you as I’m not in competition. Name calling- Jesus called people names , like white-washed tombs full of dead man’s bones when referring to Pharisees. He said you study the scriptures for in them you think you have life, but they point to me. I know what a modern day Pharisee looks like. They are not kind nor loving like Jesus.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            You sound like a Pharisee yourself! You judge others more harshly than how you claim they judge.
            You should read your Bible once or twice. In order to establish a person as a Pharisee, you must show that they denied the Messiah-ship of Christ Jesus and that they twisted the law into their own traditions and then accused others of doing precisely what they excelled at. You can do neither for Neiman or myself. In fact, both Neiman and I have expressed the central element of the Person of Christ Jesus in salvation, worship, and preaching, but you have not. Moreover, you appear to be the type who calls others Pharisees in order to hide your lack of understanding, and to not be called out in your sin. It sounds like you are pursuing the false cheap grace “gospel,” not sure.
            I see also that you did not address the Scripture that I provided that appears to show that the preacher in this article was possibly pursuing a false doctrine. I wonder why? Is it because you like to ignore God’s Word, or just violate it with impunity?
            As for kind or loving, there is nothing in your replies that indicates you are either. You are accusing others of being precisely what you are, apparently. Perhaps the voices you are listening to are the “other guy.” Are you worshipping Obama or Jesus, John? Buyer’s remorse, perhaps? God bless you!

          • John Buchanan

            Your time at the public library computer is now over. Thirty minutes is the limit. Be respectful of others. Please come again.

          • WorldGoneCrazy

            Well, I’m not at the public library, but I WILL take your advice to heart! Thanks, and God bless you, John!

          • T C

            If only you defended Jesus and the Gospel the way you do this preacher.

    • Danny

      Sounds just like something the devil himself would say.. How is your relationship with Christ? Better check your oil..

    • Asuquo

      So u already know he’s heading to hell? WOW!

  • robertzaccour

    Why would anyone with good intentions want to preach false doctrine? Not saying he had good intentions obviously.

    • Chrissy Vee

      Fame and Fortune.

  • Blade_Runner_1776

    “as a matter of fact, he only mentioned born again once in the entire four gospels. … And he only mentioned it to an old man at three o’clock in the night who woke him up.”

    I’ve read John chapter 3 of the Gospel of John several times, where Nicodemus comes to see Jesus at night. There’s no evidence that Nicodemus woke Jesus up nor is there any evidence it was at 3 in the morning. The Apostle Paul explicitly teaches, under the inspiration of the Holy Spirit, in his First epistle to the Corinthians, chapter 15, about the resurrection of Christ, “and if Christ has not been raised, then our preaching is vain, your faith also is vain.” 1 Cor 15:24. Chapter 15 of the First epistle to the Corinthians is usually referred to as the Gospel and resurrection chapter. If this guy actually preached what the news say, then he was a false teacher. It is imperative to EVERYONE to evaluate anything that any minister preaches from the pulpit (including TV) according with revealed Scriptures. We are supposed to follow Christ, no ministers.

    • Elizabeth Lynn

      Sadly, this man monroe does NOT KNOW “how” to actually STUDY the bible. He is just pulling things out from just a “reading” ONLY perspective…. NOT from any actual real true finite tacit studying. Sadly, this man spoke with a reprobate mind plus a spirit of IGNORANCE. And his poisoning the gospel to OTHER ministers is where God finally had enough of it! God was NOT about to “let him” do this craziness at a leadership conference…. no way!

      Go to a VERY TRUE TESTIMONY by a former korean pastor on youtube under: HEAVEN & HELL: 1000 to 1
      (The 1000 to 1 is actually this, according to the lord: for every 1000 CHRISTIAN BELIEVERS, ONLY 1 actually make it to heaven. The remaining 999 ended up in hell….. watch that true testimony video)!!

  • Matthew Charlery-Smith

    He had a good point to what He said. “The Gospel wasn’t about Jesus, it was about the Kingdom.” It is this we are to share as Luke 4:43, and Matthew 24:14. Obviously we honour His death and resurrection but Jesus said “The Kingdom of God is righteousness, peace and joy.” This is what is to draw unbelievers.

    • JOB2001

      What is the Kingdom without the King? Jesus is the Kingdom. Righteousness, peace, and joy are gifts that the King gives to the citizens of His Kingdom. His death and resurrection are essential to redeeming people who will in due time become citizens of his Kingdom. The primary emphasis of the Old Testament was earthly blessings, but that pointed to the New Covenant, which focuses on things eternal, namely spiritual benefits. Not that the OT ignored the spiritual, but it was written to educate God’s people in their childhood. We still use physical things to teach children, but ultimately we want them to understand things that transcend the physical. Jesus is worshipped, together with the Father and Spirit, throughout the N.T. Our King is our God. Therefore, He is the Gospel.

      • Chrissy Vee

        Amen! ♥

      • WorldGoneCrazy

        I double Chrissy Vee’s Amen! I am nothing without Jesus – nothing! He took me 11 years ago and changed me from a serial blasphemer, anti-Christian, anti-Bible, self-worshipper who was so incredibly deserving of eternal torment in Hell, and turned me into a person that just wants to serve Him and love Him and read His Word and spread His Name and hold His Holy Name on my heart all day long! How can there be anything without the Creator of everything?!?

      • Bingo

        Right. It’s all about Jesus!

      • jmichael39

        The big mistake in preaching the Kingdom with the King is in thinking there IS a Kingdom without the King. Trying to preach the Kingdom without Christ is wanting the benefits of the Kingdom without necessarily submitting to the authority and rulership of Christ, the King.

      • Disciple of Jesus

        Amen!

    • Neiman

      Pardon me, but your words seem to me to be what liberal minded Christians want the Gospel to be – about works of the flesh – about being kind to others and turning a blind eye to things like abortion, gay marriage and a host of things God calls sin, that we might win souls with the idea that if we are just good enough, if we don’t murder anyone, we get into heaven.

      If the entirety of the Gospel message is not about being born again of His Spirit, of sharing in His resurrected Life, of being forever identified with Jesus, as a part of His Body wherein He works His good works in and through our lives, then the Gospel is surely a lie. If the kingdom is about works of the flesh and not solely about Jesus, Who is to be our all-in-all, preeminent in everything in life and eternity, then surely Allah or Buddha or belief in a host of gods are just as good, as long as we do good things and not too many bad things.

      In fact the great weakness of the organized Church is that Jesus has been taken down from His Throne and man and his works are thereupon.

  • Phyllis Teeters Dawes Page

    God is in control.

    • Carol Cantell Moorby

      God is NOT in control..He gave control to US! Jesus said, ” Greater things will you do then what I did.. When I go away .I will send you another teacher, comforter.I give all authority to you…..God is in control of SOME pre destined things but NOT every thing because we are in charge of our own destiny. God only knows everything because he knows what we are all going to do.Our future is in OUR hands. people don’t always know what the true meaning of sovereign really means.

      • sanz31

        All the peoples of the earth are regarded as nothing. He does as he pleases with the powers of heaven and the peoples of the earth. No one can hold back his hand or say to him: “What have you done?”
        -Daniel 4:35
        This is the Sovereignty of God…

      • Holly B

        Yes Carol God is in control – He controls everything! He controls when
        we die we do not have that choice – He controls when it rains – we do
        not have that control – He controls if you wake up in the morning or not – we do not have that control! Be careful what you speak Carol!

      • David Matthews

        Have you read the bible? I don’t think you have.

  • Conservative seer

    This is sad, only God knows where he went! , i watched the sermon and its disappointing, he is teaching something strange

  • http://www.jesusgospelchurch.com/ Kirk W. Fraser

    To say Jesus is not the Gospel has two sides – if it is in the context of scripture testifies of me but you don’t come to me that you may have life, then it is a true saying – but on the other side Jesus said my words are Spirit and Life so in that way the saying is false. Thus one must be careful to always speak truth like Jesus did and never speak anything that is only half true like Paul did. http://www.jesusgospelchurch.com

  • John Mouphy

    ~What Dr. Myles was teaching was the purpose of Jesus’ Coming, He was not belittling the person of Jesus he was so much concerned about the Purpose that Jesus came for. Jesus Came for a certain end, he had a reason for coming, Myles was actually not just about the person but also the purpose of the person otherwise many would go in circle all their lives. Everyone that God created was created not just to exist but live for a purpose, when Christ had accomplished the purpose he left the earthly stage. Myles was about the purpose of the person not just about the person. Jesus once said it is to more advantage that I go, because if I don’t the Spirit will not come…Jesus had a purpose for everything that he did and that’s what Myles wanted to show people, some would have Said, “Oh Jesus stay, you are all we want”, But he said to them if I go it is more better for you, otherwise the Spirit will not come. By heresy hunters speak from boxes they don’t want to come out of. ~

  • http://www.remnantofgod.org John1429dotorg

    2 Peter 2:1-3, “But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.”

    So he was in the company of the likes of men like T.D. Jakes, Benny Hinn, and Eddie Long? For those with “eyes that see”…well lets let the Scriptures speak for themselves. See this page: http://remnantofgod.org/near-the-end.htm#1

  • Martin

    It is amazing everyone’s true colors come out. I will pray for everyone.

  • Bingo

    The gospel of the Kingdom is abut the King—Jesus.

    Mark 1:1
    This is the Good News about Jesus the Messiah, the Son of God.

  • Watson Prunier, SOC

    This guys is definitely a heretic! The Gospel is not about Jesus? Romans 1:16! Born again and new creation cover the premise of being dead to sin and born to life! Galatians 1:8 condemns this heresy that Monroe preached.

    • Shelia Briggs

      why do we wait until a person die to pray for them…….if you all know he was preaching something wrong you should have been praying for him then ! ….not to have a panel discussion after the fact….now we must ask Holy Spirit to correct any wrong teachings in our hearts. whether or not he went to heaven is not for us to say..only God. where were you when he was doing the questionable teaching? did you write him a letter to voice what you thought? let’s turn to Holy Spirit for the truth and clarification.God Bless you all.

      • Chrissy Vee

        Sometimes we haven’t heard of these people until they die. I am sure a lot of us do not neglect praying for the false teachers we know about as well as a general “all false teachers”. God Bless you too. 🙂

  • Janna Turner

    It is very easy to take things out of context…the media is very good at this and the religious leaders even did this to Jesus…let’s remain open to the Holy Spirit and His interpretation of His own words..there is a lot of people affected by the loss of these nine people..let’s all at least join our hearts and minds in prayer for everyone affected by this tradegy…especially Mr. Munroe’s Son
    .peace be with the whole family and ministry leaders and partner’s,

  • Chrissy Vee

    “Monroe had appeared with a number of popular speakers throughout his 30-year
    tenure, including Benny Hinn, T.D. Jakes and Eddie Long. He also was a
    part of the Promise Keepers gatherings,”
    – Kind of says it all right there. :/

    • John Buchanan

      I am sure you were part of the false humility gatherings

      • Chrissy Vee

        You lack understanding. Did you read your own comment?

        • John Buchanan

          I understand what a Pharisee looks like. They see themselves as better than , more knowledgable, more sound doctrinally, more Biblically correct , wiser. You don’t know how these men were used by God to change lives, including my own. Doesn’t matter if you cared for their personalities. God’s word never goes out and returns void. – Isaiah 55:17 The vessels that he uses to communicate His word are His decision, not your’s. Stop trying to be Holy Ghost junior.

          • Chrissy Vee

            Hm… tell me, are there ANY preachers out there you think may be a false teacher? The bible warns us that they exist. Have you spotted any? This man actually stated that SATAN tricked the church and SATAN twisted the gospel into preaching the calvary, the cross and the resurrection. That these teachings are of SATAN.
            He also taught that that God can not move without OUR permission and that angels need our permission to function because they are here to do our bidding…. Just those three things would make any Holy Spirit filled, bible believing Christian take notice.
            I have no doubt he mixed in some good doctrine with the bad and changed some lives. That’s what they do. I used to listen to Joyce Meyers and Joel Olsteen when I first got saved. The Lord in His abundant mercy gave me the discernment to stop. When so many people here are in agreement with me, that should really tell you something. To at the very least consider it. If calling me a Pharisee makes you feel better about me using my God given wisdom and discernment for calling out a wolf in sheep’s clothing, so be it. That’s on your head. I don’t think I am better than anybody, you stating that is the JUDGING that God also warns us about. Take heed.

          • T C

            I’ve been reading your posts and find that I agree with you on, yeah, all of them! Hello to a fellow Berean! May God be praised! I am stunned at the spiritually dull who defend this Munroe fellow. That anyone can defend him as a brother in Christ is appalling. We are not to have anything to do with these apostacizers (if that’s a word)!

          • Chrissy Vee

            Thank you for your support TC 🙂 Glory to God! Going to look up Berean right now. haha God bless you!

          • T C

            You bet! It’s here…Acts 17:11, “Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.” God bless!

  • James Grimes

    “Monroe had appeared with a number of popular speakers throughout his 3o-year tenure, including Benny Hinn, T.D. Jakes and Eddie Long.” Unfortunately, this isn’t much of a legacy.

    • Chrissy Vee

      Looks like you and I are in agreement on that. 🙂

  • Foxwolf

    MY MY !!!

  • Chrissy Vee

    Their deaths, just like Paul Crouch’s did, give me such an eerie feeling. Nobody knows what happened in his/their last few moments on earth. Just the thought that it is possible they didn’t make it to heaven is surreal and sad. The “pictures and sounds” in my mind bring on the same feeling a nightmare does, but deeper. Can’t find a word to completely describe it. (-,_-)

    • Bingo

      I didn’t know anything about Munroe, but I feel like this: if He has accepted Jesus Christ as his own personal Saviour, no matter how his message has changed and/or compromised—he is a child of the King, no exception. I firmly believe that when His children step off into error like this, the Lord will cut them off to spare others from error and compromise. It is His mercy at work, whether one can accept that or not.

      • Chrissy Vee

        I do not believe in eternal security if that is what you are talking about. I do not know his ministry well either. But, I do know what the bible says about false teachers…. I also know the works of the company he kept. I know more things, but I believe very few would understand it here, and I don’t want to open a can of worms. Thank you so much for your words of encouragement. May God bless you. ♥

        • Bingo

          Same to you, even though we disagree on the fact that the blood saves completely.

  • Janet

    I would seriously caution people speaking against Gods anointed .. have you read that scripture. I agree with you John for asking people if they listened to his teaching .. I have been listening to him off and on for many years … He is a person you learn to follow his train of thought.. i believe a religious spirit wants to twist his words… you have to learn some peoples style of ministry… I believe he is trying to stretch peoples understanding to go beyond milk and into some meat.. The Kingdom of God is within us the Word tells us that .. He is coming from a differant angle. He is not anti Jesus, he wants people to not stop with Jesus on the Cross .. that is elementary … if we stop at only understanding salvation. Jesus said the Gospel of the Kingdom will be preached for all the world to hear and then shall the end come… Jesus Himself, did not say the Gospel of Jesus. WE have to take the whole counsel of God into consideration… I believe since i have listened to him numerous times, i think i know pretty much what he was saying, i’m trying to listen in the spirit and not the flesh… and listen to HolySpirit while he is talking to get revelation. He is not against all the things he is being accused of, he just wants to see people live and move in the Kingdom of God. This is also the heart of God… we cannot stop with salvation or the resurrection, but he is not doing away with it. Everything he said is true .according to the Word. Sometimes he presents it as it is a mystery, you need HolySpirit discernment to follow him because of where he walks. People are just not seeing or hearing the angle he is trying to get you to think about… like i said he is not doing away with the other things … he is not ! I believe in the Kingdom message, Jesus said it would be preached around the world … again even Jesus himself did not say it was the gospel of Jesus. People are in the flesh too much !! CAUTION : touch not my anointed and do my prophets no harm.. rebuke not an elder ! its all in the WORD … shame on people for acting like this when the man has not even been buried yet… there needs to come a rebuke against this demonic activity !

    • Bingo

      Thank you, Janet, for expressing this important cautionary word.

    • Chrissy Vee

      Janet, do you know beyond a shadow of a doubt that everyone here is wrong? If so many people are cautioning or believing that he may have been a wolf in sheep’s clothing, they may be onto something. The Bible tells us they exist and what to look for. I understand some people are being harsh at a time for reflection and prayer, but you need to understand we do not all agree and may not deserve your rebuking us. Peace ♥

    • Holly B

      I am sorry Janet – but how do you know he was anointed by God? Were you there? There will be many false prophets and we are suppose to discern who is a true man of God and who is not.

    • L. Davis

      The preaching of the cross is not elementary. It is because of what JESUS accomplished by dying upon the cross that we can inherit eternal life. Because He is the Ressurection and the Life we shall be raised up. Every child of God who has been born again, witnesses to others this message, and they also testify of that there is joy, peace and happiness in CHRIST. The Holy Spirit gives us what to say wh witness to others, just as Philip with the Eunuch. All the apostles preached the deep things of God,,but they never left the message of the cross. The keys to the kingdom are predicated upon the preaching of the cross, the finished work of Calvary. There is no other angle to this; and the Holy Spirit can provide insight on the spot to the hearer of the gospel. I just don’t buy what you and he are selling.

      • John Buchanan

        I’m wondering if you went to a church that preached salvation and the message of the cross every weekend for twenty years, how much you would grow spiritually ? A real Christ follower reads the entire Word of God , which means everything Jesus did – heal blind eyes, cast out demons, raise people from the dead. Have you done any of those things recently ? Jesus said greater things we as believers would do. You might try reading the book of Acts to see about a real Holy Spirit empowered church, where hearings and miracles were the norm. But it’s man’s tradition that has made the Word of God of no effect. Do you realize that Myles Munroe went into churches where people were already born again , yes people that had already made decisions for Christ, were living for Christ, and are serving the Lord. He wasn’t an evangelist, preaching crusades to the lost. He was a teacher of the word of God , who taught about Kingdom principles to people that needed to mature . His message was for the believer, not the unchurched. Stunted growth Christians , never get past salvation. A changed life is the real mark of salvation.

  • Chrissy Vee

    I just watched a video of his, to hear him myself. Within moments I knew he was a wolf in sheeps clothing. The last thing that I heard him say before I had to shut him off was…
    “This is what SATAN did to the church…SATAN has slightly changed the message (preaching the KINGDOM) and he doesn’t want you to preach anything… bad… but he (SATAN) has us teaching some good things like… calvary…like… the blood…like …the resurrection…”
    YIKES! This was on YouTube ~Myles Munroe is a false TEACHER 1×3 ~ was the title.
    Nothing to read into there. I hope he had time to repent.

  • dms70

    I feel saddened and sometimes confused by these popular preachers. They start out good, and even seem genuine in their ministry, but then something happens. Maybe that’s just it… it’s not ‘their’ ministry, it’s God’s. And when they stray from God receiving the glory, beware!

    John 14:6 – Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

    Jesus welcomes all who come to Him. He’s not blocking the path; He’s the door; He’s the way. He loves you and will receive you if you will come to Him sincerely.

    • Chrissy Vee

      I believe that sometimes they get blinded by fame and fortune.

  • Lamont

    Everyone reading this is going to die; and those who are not so privileged to read this will also meet the same fate – death, sooner or later. So now that we have gotten that all out of the way, death is not so scary after all. There are over 41,000 different denominations of Christianity, so why are you clowns arguing about who has the right understanding of the scriptures?

  • jmichael39

    Anyone who teaches, no matter how right on the rest of their teachings are, in opposition to a completely Christo-centric Gospel will have to answer to God for that. It is, without hesitation, a false teaching and one that Paul and others spoken specifically against.

    Whether this man will be in glory with Christ or spend eternally absent His presence is between God and him. As it will be for each and every one of us. But the words on that video speak of a man with, at best, a poor understand of the focus of the Gospel.

  • Oundinna

    Well now he stands before the Father with Jesus at His right hand…hes got some explaining to do!

  • the_Pilgrim

    How utterly sobering is this. God is telling us to get our lives right with Him, period. We should not laugh in the face of this tragedy. Judgment and vengeance is God’s alone to exercise. Ours is to do justice, love kindness and walk humbly with our God. (Micah 6:8)

    • T C

      And ignore the warnings of Scripture that says to note those who are teaching a false gospel? In fact Paul says to them, Anathema!

    • debbi502

      You should ready what you write. Yes, God wants us to love one another and be kind to one and other. And as far as your posts on pot, I really don’t think you are portraying God’s kindness. Like I said in the beginning, READ YOUR POSTS, and people might take you serious.

  • Dikran Iskenderian

    its not about rejoicing over the death of someone…it’s about seeing karma

    • Bingo

      Karma is not a term Christians use, nor does it belong as part of our vocabulary.

  • zach

    Let God be the judge….

  • MsPatricia Lazenby

    It’s amazing to read some of these comments in regards to Myles Monroe’s death.. It only shows, the ones that have what the bible describes as ears that desires to be tickled with fluffy messages. It’s apparent Myles Monroe got caught up in himself and felt more knowledgeable than God, to change the message of the good news. Jesus is the only good news …He is the Messiah that was spoken of by the prophets, Matt 2:6 “But you Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, Are not the least among the rulers of Judah; For out of you shall come a Ruler who will shepherd My people Israel. Think people!!! think!!!

  • eddiebjr

    Paul said have determined to know nothing among you but Jesus Christ and him crucified. The Gospel is indeed Jesus. The solutions to mens problems are not the gospel they are the product of the Gospel.

    • T C

      Amen!

  • Maria Elena Maldonado

    Wow he really was a good teacher! All of you people that are calling him
    a false teacher, I will compare you with the Jews that misunderstood
    Jesus. Example when Jesus said to them. I will “Destroy this temple, and
    in three days I will raise it up.”
    Then the Jews said, “It has
    taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will You raise it up in
    three days?” But He was speaking of the temple of His body. Therefore,
    when He had risen from the dead, His disciples remembered that He had
    said this to them; and they believed the Scripture and the word which
    Jesus had said (John 2:19-21).

    • T C

      The blind leading the blind.

  • L. Davis

    Hmmm: I didn’t know he taught this. I have to go by scripture and let scripture interpret scripture: In the beginning was the word, and the word was with God, and was God. Without ?Him was not anything made that was made. And the word was made flesh and dwelt amongst us.” (Recalling from memory from St. John 1). JESUS we know is the Word, thus the gospel. He tells us to search the scriptures for they are they which testify of me. The good news about the kingdom of heaven is that we can be reconciled back to the Father by the sacrifice of His only begotten Son. Paul’s witness is that he is determined to know nothing else but “JESUS Christ and Him crucified.” The good news is that because of the shedding of blood there is remission of our sins through JESUS Christ. Yes, .Jesus taught us what the kingdom of heaven is like unto, but he also taught us that He must be lifted up (on the cross) to draw all men. The message of the cross is the gospel of Jesus Christ. People may not like it, but we are brought nigh by the blood. What greater benefit can be preached to humanity than this timeless message? Grace, because it pleased the Lord to bruise Him, for our ransom. The gospel, from Genesis to Revelation is good news, and Jesus is the Alpha and Omega: the Word.

    I don’t rejoice in his death, nor of those who died also on any wise. Though I don’t agree with his sermon here, I know that God is the final arbiter of every person’s faith. We don’t know if God has dealt with him since this time. About this or any other thing. I hope to see Him in glory.

    • Bingo

      Well said.

  • Christian

    This whole issue is not about weather Dr miles Munroe is in heaven or hell. When we stand before God it is all about weather God knows us. Only God and Dr Miles know if God knew him or not. I have personally been under Dr Munroes preaching for many years. Recently I have distanced myself from him because he does not preach the word. He is a very good motivational speaker, an excellent leader and a christian. I have been in the church and studied theology, but my ministry was fruitless and powerless untill I started preaching the Word, and Jesus. Any one who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved. There is no other Name in heaven, under the heaven or on or under the earth than the name of Jesus. There is no salvation without the blood of Jesus, who cleansed us from our sins by his blood once and for all, and even cleansed heaven itself with his blood (since Satan has access to heaven – but no more) He is not the first and will not be the last. Judgment starts in the house of God sand I believe God took him home so that he cannot do more damage to the church. mark my words we are in the last days and God is cleaning his church. That does not mean he is in hell.

    • Disciple of Jesus

      Thank you for sharing. Many preachers today have drifted from Truth, modeling their methods and the structure of their organizations after the world’s system of governing. The longer I walk with Jesus, the more narrow the way to life becomes. Are you familiar with a prophecy given by Stanley A Frodsham in 1965? Every time I revisit these words, the fulfillment becomes more evident. Here is but a small portion ~ the link is below:

      “I warn you to search the Scriptures diligently these last days. For the
      things that are written shall indeed be made manifest. There shall come
      deceivers among My people in increasing numbers, who shall speak forth
      the truth and shall gain the favor of the people.
      For the people shall
      examine the Scriptures and say, “What these men say is true.” Then when
      they have gained the hearts of the people, then and THEN ONLY shall they
      bring out these wrong doctrines. Therefore, I say that you should not
      give your hearts to men, nor hold people’s persons in admiration. For by
      these very persons shall Satan enter into My people. WATCH FOR
      SEDUCERS.
      Do you think a seducer will brandish a new heresy and flaunt
      it before the people? He will speak the words of righteousness and
      truth, and will appear as a minister of light, declaring the Word. The
      people’s hearts shall be won. Then, when the hearts are won, they will
      bring out their doctrines, and the people shall be deceived. The people
      shall say, “Did he not speak thus and thus? And did we not examine it
      from the Word? Therefore he is a minister of righteousness. This that he has now spoken we do not see in the Word, but it must be right, for the other things he spoke were true.”

      Be Not Deceived

      Be not deceived. For the deceiver will first work to gain the hearts of
      many, and then shall bring forth his insidious doctrines. You cannot
      discern those who are of Me and those who are not of Me when they start
      to preach. But seek Me constantly, and then when these doctrines are
      brought out you shall have a witness in your heart that these are not of
      Me. Fear not, for I have warned you. Many will be deceived. But if you
      walk in holiness and uprightness before the Lord, your eyes shall be
      open and the Lord will protect you. If you will constantly look unto the
      Lord you will know when the doctrine changes, and will not be brought
      into it. If your heart is right I will keep you; and if you will look
      constantly to Me I will uphold you.”

      http://www.sermonindex.net/modules/articles/index.php?view=article&aid=20744

      • Chrissy Vee

        That was a blessing to read. Much wisdom. Thank you for posting. 🙂 ♥

        • Disciple of Jesus

          You’re welcome, Chrissy Vee 🙂

      • T C

        Wow, so very true. Deception does it’s work through subtlety. Error would be too obvious if truth were not mixed in. We must keep our eyes on the Lord and read the Bible for ourselves.

        • Disciple of Jesus

          Yes, it is very subtle…loving the Truth (Jesus Christ )more than doctrines is so important.

  • Donna Crotty

    Wow, we are sure who is not in a intimate consistent relationship with the word and the Holy Spirit by some of the remarks. We should not remain at the cross, but we should moved forward and that is called spiritual growth. We should be a light that shines so bright because of our relationship with Christ, and that we bring healing and have the answers to problems for all who are struggling. Here is a scripture that speaks to the heart of God’s people.
    Hebrews 6:1-3New King James Version (NKJV)

    The Peril of Not Progressing

    6 Therefore, leaving the discussion of the elementary principles of Christ, let us go on to perfection, not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, 2 of the doctrine of baptisms, of laying on of hands, of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. 3 And this we will[a] do if God permits.

    The God that I serve does damn people to Hell, the people choose to do that themselves. This man has walked with integrity and love for God’s people. Always has minister to people to have knowledge, because when you are knowledgeable……you are not destroyed.

  • Ken Row

    Anyone know who the man is cited in the last paragraph saying, “I didn’t care much for his ministry, but I will not tolerate any gloating over his death”?

    It seems odd to use an anonymous source at that point.

  • Stephen Abbott

    He was actually correct (perhaps almost without knowing it) in trying to focus some truth on the falsehood of the Pauline Gospel “About” the person and “work” of Jesus (i.e. a bloody death that, when we believe it, allows us to sin without doing Good Works and ignore our fellow man.) THAT does NOT save us, and Jesus explicitly says what will.

    But this same article says not a word about this fundamentalist pastor’s rather VILE contention that God will help us get rich – the extremely UN-Gospel-Like “Prosperity Gospel” which has infested all of conservative Christendom.

    It has led millions of Christians to believe NOT in the God if Israel, but to believe that God is a Santa Claus/ATM/Genie/Mob Boss Who’s JOB it is to serve OUR selfish wants and make things happen FOR US rather than it being OUR job to serve God completely and EMPTY our selves in service of others.

    HOW SAD that Christendom is so lost that it is FURIOUS about ONE THING a deluded Pentecostal preacher said that was CORRECT – that Jesus explicitly said the reason he preached was ONLY to announce God’s Kingdom!

  • greatguy999

    My prayer is that God will keep us all humble so that we may continue to walk with Him in true humility and repentance. One of the worst sins in the world is the sin of pride. It was pride that turned Lucifer, the glorious Morning Star, into Satan, the hate-filled, despicable enemy of God and of God’s creatures.
    The only thing we know for sure is that Dr. Myles Munroe has finished his earthly race. We are the ones still in the race. Let us run our race with humility.

  • Ted

    The guy preaches a good message. Closed minded People of Christ wake up. Christ was a symbol of purity. Christ is love embodied. And “No One” Will Reach The Father unless he comes through Christ. And this is true. And Christ is Love. You must become love. You see people you must walk like Christ. Drop all of your hatred for this man and all men. You must dine with tax collectors and prostitutes. You must show compassion for your fellow man and embody the spirit of Christ or the world will always remain full of bigots and segregated. So for myself salvation is not making a pledge to Christ, because my heart is where Christ resides already, but it is through actions of love and compassion and tolerance, that is what truly saves us all. Ask yourself why would God send his son to die? Is it just so you can keep making the same mistakes over and over And Ask For His Forgiveness? I think not. He sent a perfect example of how you should take heed of the laws of the bible. And that’s through the fruits of the spirit. If you live by the fruits of the spirit there are no laws that can be broken. Wake up Christ’s children. You were not meant to worship him, you were meant to become him. Find your Christ’s Consciousness.

    • Chrissy Vee

      We are not close minded; we are narrow minded.
      Because strait is the gate, and narrow the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
      We are not talking about tax collectors and prostitutes and loving our fellow man. We are talking about a false doctrine…. about a different gospel. The Bible warns us about false teachers, who are wolves in sheep’s clothing. We don’t hate him, we heed to the Word and the Holy Spirit.
      Ministries like these set the stage for the Antichrist’s false religion by taking the focus off Jesus in clever ways.
      Look this title up on Youtube… Myles Munroe is a false TEACHER 1×3 …and listen to his sermon. Then decide if you want to call your brothers and sisters close minded or wise. Peace.

      • Ted

        Christ did not come to change the law. He came to fulfill it. He did not ask to be worshiped. Man at some point thought it would be a go I’d idea. The God news is the Kingdom. Christ said that you can’t get to the father except through him. This is not designed for you to be separate from Christ but it is for you to become like Christ. You cannot become something that is not obtainable especially if you revere himself so high that you lay down and call yourself not worthy. Christ walked among men to demonstrate that here on earth we can walk among the heavens. Man’s teaching has been askew for quite sometime now. Actually most modern beliefs have only been around in it present manner for 200 years or so. Most religion is handed down from common traditional values. I was similar to your stance about one way only just a few years ago when I started studying the origins of modern day worship. Easter, Christmas and other celebrated holidays are actually Pagan holidays. Yet we continue to celebrate this in honor of what? I’m sure the world doesn’t even have a clue about the real Christ and his instructions. Today we allow division among brothers and sisters. Even this debate is about who’s right or wrong. Let us settle this in a manner that we cannot limit God and all his possibilities. When you call it your way you limit the fact that God can’t do it another way. God give me the gift of perception. I use it. I do not depend on someone else tell me how it is. I have to remove God from man’s constructs because man is not perfect. God has given us the ability to see what the Kingdom holds through the actions of Christ. He sent the example. For me we are not to worship him as an idol but walk with him as God’s children. Jesus mingled amongst all the people. He came to show that he wants us to walk amongst him. Jesus healed any with the amount of faith. I say that you are in danger of being a false teacher just as much as this other guy. All you have is what has been handed to you. This other guy made an interpretation. I challenge you to do the same. I love you in Christ.

        • Ted

          Sorry about the typos. I am on my cell.

          • Chrissy Vee

            I look at the message, not the typos… 🙂

        • Chrissy Vee

          Do I believe God or man?

          In MANY places, the bible teaches in the Old and New Testament to worship Him. His Majesty and Sovereignity is to be awed and feared and reverenced. I worship Him in truth and in spirit, just like He commands us to. It is one of the highest forms of showing our love toward Him! ♥
          What you perceive as me wanting to be right or calling it “my way”, I am actually saying God is right and His way and His truth (which NEVER changes) are perfect. My ways are far from! 😛
          To compare me to this man is completely ridiculous. (My tone is not loud or angry… I know you can’t tell when reading) I am not a teacher (so I can’t be false), but a student. I let God’s Word and Holy Spirit teach and guide me and I am aware I have a long way to go. 🙂 I also let His Word (the final authority) be my witness. Any wisdom, knowledge or understanding I have has been graciously given to me by my Lord and Saviour. I have never heard of the gift of perception. However I know discernment comes from the Holy Spirit. The Lord has given me that discernment of spirits from the beginning of my walk with him. (this is not a boast, but the truth) To compare me to this man shows me you lack this discernment.
          The Bible is NOT for our own interpretation..
          ~2 Peter:20-21 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation. For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.~
          Your doctrine is strange and borders on blasphemy. I believe that, in studying the origins of modern day worship, you have been deceived. I believe you are the one in danger. I say all of this in the love of Christ. I pray you will return to your first love.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/TYPJOVANEST (TYP) Jovan Stone

    Told folks prophecy came true the scripture that God had me teach in my video in Galatians came to pass. Folks think they can mock God and play games but it isn’t an joke and will only result in you and others who follow you, demise!!! Remember yall there is

    #NoOtherGOSPEL

    Galatians 1:6-10 NIV

    I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse! Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ
    (TYP) Jovan Stone’s *REVELATION* Series pt2: #NoO…: http://youtu.be/Tk9l2uOwC_A
    (TYP) Jovan Stone’s *REVELATION* Series pt4: The …: http://youtu.be/RDvaOiE0uJ4

  • Yinka

    This is a real confusion, how can you preach about the Kingdom without talking about the King of the kingdom, the two are inseparable. I remember in Acts 8:35 “Then Philip began with that very passage of Scripture and told him the good news about Jesus”. The gospel is all about Jesus – the King of the Kingdom.

    • OLA ILORI

      Bingo! You can’t preach about the kingdom of heaven without preaching about the King!

      Many mega Pastors always have a tendency to bring Christ down to their humanistic level.

      In many cases the Lord is hardly ever mentioned in their sermons.

      And when He is, He’s not glorified has God Almighty in the flesh, now glorified, from Whom proceeds the Holy Spirit!

      All those who really have the Holy Spirit, glorify Jesus Christ and teach HIS doctrine ALONE.

      “I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth…He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine [that is, my doctrine] and declare it to you.” [John 16:12 – 14]

      The sad truth is most of the Ministries like Bahamas Faith Ministries have abandoned the gospel of Jesus Christ, as a result the Spirit of Christ, the Holy Spirit is no longer among them!

  • Flint

    He’s trying to separate Jesus and the Kingdom to get people to focus on the Kingdom. The problem is Jesus is the King of the Kingdom. You can’t separate Jesus from his Kingdom. In fact, you have to preach Jesus to enter his Kingdom. It’s a package deal. It’s not a la carte. Jesus and the Kingdom are inseparable. It’s putting emph-A-sis on the wrong syl-A-ble. To win the lost, you have to preach Jesus as the Gospel first, the benefits of the Kingdom come second.

  • Flint

    Oh and by the way, the reason Jesus preached the Kingdom so much is because the Jews expected the promised Messiah to deliver them from Rome and set up an earthly kingdom on the throne of David. Jesus had to do A LOT of teaching on the Kingdom to dislodge the public perception of an earthly kingdom. Even his own disciples didn’t quite understand the fulness of Jesus’ teaching on the Kingdom. (Acts 1:1-8)

  • TheKuhlGod

    Actually the gospel is the gospel of the kingdom

  • http://www.imagineitincorporatedng.com/ Tessa

    Hmmm!

    The gospel of the kingdom is what Jesus came to usher in. It is also described in the bible as the gospel of the kingdom. He could never set man free without His shed blood on the cross. You can’t deny the cross, the shame or the resurrection.

    To end it, I say that we cannot judge part of the message, we can only judge the whole message.

  • Johnnie Mallery

    Why can’t we be open to all views thank you Pastor amen we know very little about the Gospel I read more to learn it all . All what Jesus was teaching and how God wants us live

  • Silverdart60

    I find it fascinating, as an atheist outsider, to watch otherwise decent, honourable and intelligent people argue about whether this crash victim a “false teacher” or a “real teacher,” whether he’s in heaven or hell.

    Have you people no shame?? His family has been destroyed, his congregation devastated, and you’re arguing about whether your personal interpretation of his life is accurate and others are not?

    Shame on you. SHAME!!

    • Bingo

      You are right!

  • DontLikeWimps

    This man twisted the words of Jesus….no man can enter the kingdom of God, except through Jesus…. That is the clear message of the entire bible. Now he must face his maker.

  • Imaybewrongbutimmostlyright

    This is nothing but a nuanced message, nothing more. What Jesus “preached”, and what Jesus “said”, has not one shred of difference between them. Jesus in John 3, said these words about being “Born Again”: “……marvel NOT that I say to you, you MUST be born again………………..so is EVERYONE who is born of the SPIRIT”. Jesus told us to not even Question, wonder, or doubt, (all definitions of the word, MARVEL, used here) about being born again, and also, that EVERYONE that has the Spirit of God, would receive this operation! His word, EVERYONE is absolute! It includes ALL. It leaves no room for any other possibility! To claim in so many words, that an old man woke up a grumpy, Jesus, who was just “speaking” and not “preaching”, is a foolish position. So is the position that Jesus speaking to one man, is not significant to OUR preaching! Foolish. This is the deception of teaching. Men seeking to differentiate themselves and their teachings, find it hard, and contrary to their competitive natures, to teach what others teach. They must “revelate” others with their “perspective”, this is what pushes the heretical, mumbo, jumbo that suffices for “teaching” in our modern, world. Munroe is correct on one thing, it IS the Gospel of the Kingdom that Jesus preached, and commanded and prophesied, would be preached before the end of all things, and not some other “good news”, just incorrect about what the Gospel of the Kingdom actually IS; it’s all about the KING, and his DOMINION! JESUS and his POWER! The Gospel is ALL about JESUS (THE KING!), and his ANOINTING (the HOLY SPIRIT!) as the dominating force of THE KING! Walk humbly before God, you who claim to speak for HIM! Control and subjugate your foolish minds to the mind of CHRIST, so after preaching to others, you, yourself, won’t become a castaway! Confusion does not come from God, it does come from these false assumptions! So Paul was absolutely correct, and so has been the focus of classical Christianity, that the crucifixion of the KING, is central to the Gospel of the KING’S DOMINION! That’s HOW he DOMINATES! Through blood sacrifice! I’ve decimated his false teaching!

  • mazzie54az

    seriously no I believe God took his life and his family because he didn’t want that message to be propagated any longer it was uTter sheer heresy

  • David Matthews

    2 Timothy 2:23-25 ESV
    Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels. And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil, correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth.

    • Bingo

      Oh look, he found a verse.

      • David Matthews

        That’s right, and you should read it instead of patronizing people! Get out of here Satan!

        • Bingo

          Been there, done that. Maybe you should follow the instruction therein? You’ve said nothing in this thread that is patient or kind or agreeable.

  • Roxanne Ask Me Will YOU

    Mercyme he was utterly confused

  • Richard Travis

    I will be the first to admit I have cooled somewhat in my faith and passion for my Christian upbringing…… but what I am seeing today was clearly prophesied in the falling away of the church and the departure of the faithful. Like oil and water the line is becoming more and more clear. From turning our backs on Israel to the embracing of the very sins God unleashed destruction upon two ancient cities that was too terrible for human eyes to behold. Fashioning God to mold to your own life and desires is worse than never knowing Him at all. I really thought it might be another 20 years before the appearance of the antichrist…. I am not so sure about that anymore. God help us in our disbelief and sinful ways to see the truth before it is too late.

  • robert

    jesus probably said to myles monroe when he stood before jesus, i never knew you, away from me you evil doer

    • Bingo

      Maybe you would, but Jesus didn’t.

  • Michael Ellis

    Tragic death. However that doesn’t change the fact that he was a false prophet (along with his buddies, Benny Hinn and TD Jakes)

    • Bingo

      People who speak ill of the brethren as well as the dead never do very well. Why?

      Because it’s SIN.

  • RMorrow

    Myles is Monroe is correct in his opposition to homosexuality. That is in almost every book of the Bible where God is constantly destroying the Satanic homosexuals. Homosexuals don’t love each other, they lust for each other and lust and SATAN are one. Satan drives the homosexuals, owns the homosexuals, and calls the shots in the lives of the homosexuals. God bless Myles Monroe and may he rest in peace.

  • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

    again – this web site doing and saying something that is demonic, evil, satanic and wicked. I know this sermon very well – I play it often on my Radio Broadcast.
    THE KINGDOM OF GOD is BIGGER THAN CHRIST – THE KINGDOM OF GOD is where we should be trying to get to – but the only way to get their is through CHRIST. It already EXISTS…… geeeez. A lying tongue is an abomination unto GOD also …. so are those who sow discord among the bretheren – so are false witnesses who speaketh lies.

    • Bingo

      As Jesus is the Door to the Kingdom, I can understand humanly-speaking that the Kingdom is bigger than Christ, but spiritually, I don’t see it. He is the King and Lord, and I doubt there is anything greater in the universe than the One who sits on the throne and for whom God the Father has provided a footstool.

      Please explain your claim.

      • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

        “”As Jesus is the Door to the Kingdom,””

        NOTICE .. your wording … JESUS IS THE DOOR – JESUS is not bigger than THE KINGDOM – for no one can get to THE FATHER but only if they go through JESUS.

        “” I can understand humanly-speaking that the Kingdom is bigger than Christ, but spiritually, I don’t see it.””

        You probably have to grow more in spirit to understand THE MYSTERIES OF CHRIST – of GOD and of THE HOLY SPIRIT.

        CHRIST is not BIGGER than HIS FATHER – but CHRIST is NOW ONE WITH HIS FATHER – as he was when HE walked this earth – which is the reason JESUS NEVER SINNED – he could have if he wanted to – but he continued to OBEY HIS FATHER.

        “”He is the King and Lord,””

        JESUS is THE KING OF KINGS and LORD OF LORD … yes .. but GOD THE FATHER IS GREATER – and JESUS has instilled POWER IN PLACES that people like you and I can do GREATER WORKS than those of CHRIST …. because CHRIST has went to be with HIS FATHER.

        John 14:12 ►
        Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.

        “” and I doubt there is anything greater in the universe than the One who sits on the throne””

        GOD THE FATHER sits on THE THRONE – JESUS is PREPARING A PLACE for HIS BELIEVERS / FOLLOWERS.

        “” and for whom God the Father has provided a footstool.””

        I wouldn’t call CHRIST a footstool.

        Acts 7:49
        Heaven is my throne, and earth is my footstool: what house will ye build me? saith the Lord: or what is the place of my rest?

        “”Please explain your claim.””

        I hope this clears up a little of what you don’t understand.

        • Bingo

          Well, according to your answers, I am assured by God that I am not the one who needs to grow in the spirit to understand such mysteries.

          Christ a footstool? No. God is going to place all the enemies of Christ at Jesus’ feet as His footstool. Jesus has a throne that we the Bride will share.

          Also, Jesus could not sin, nor choose to sin.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            It seems you are forgetting your own words …. you stated …

            “”and I doubt there is anything greater in the universe than the One who sits on the throne and for whom God the Father has provided a footstool.””

            Now … if you want to cal Dr. Myles Monroe a false prophet and a false teacher ? That’s fine by me – I have no problem with that.

            I made my statement and I stand by it ….. we’ve had this conversation before – you and your twisting words……

            you basically called JESUS a footstool ……

            Now I will deal with your folly for a short time and a short time only.

            “”Christ a footstool? No.””

            re-read your own words in your first reply to my comment.

            “” God is going to place all the enemies of Christ at Jesus’ feet as His footstool.””

            JESUS doesn’t need any footstool – IT IS FINISHED as far as CHRIST’S BATTLES – geeez – you’re more pathetic than last time.

            “” Jesus has a throne that we the Bride will share.””

            I believe you just like hearing yourself talk to yourself.
            this makes no sense …… NO ONE will share GOD’S THRONE nor CHRIST’S THRONE ….. geeeez ….

            “”Also, Jesus could not sin, nor choose to sin.””

            JESUS could have done anything he wanted to do.
            Now ? I AM done with your deceptions, evil, lies and tricks.

          • Bingo

            When God says He will place Jesus’ enemies under Jesus’ feet for a footstool, guess what? In English it means that Jesus will have a footstool with His throne.

            I gather English is not your first language. When one provides something FOR someone, it never means that the someone is BECOMES that thing.

            Twisting is not my forte, it seems. Wake up.

            Jesus could never sin, just as the Father can never sin.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            Where is this imaginary scripture that says …. “”God says He will place Jesus’ enemies under Jesus’ feet for a footstool”” ???

          • Bingo

            Psalm 110:1
            Matthew 22:44
            Mark 12:36
            Luke 20:43
            Acts 2:35
            Hebrews 1:13
            Hebrews 10:13

            Even just once should be enough.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            You ? have a problem with understanding ….. this footstool of GOD, CHRIST and THE HOLY SPIRIT is the world – for if you NOTICE and RECEIVE TRUTH. CHRIST doesn’t have to wait – but LOVERS OF GOD, FOLLOWERS OF CHRIST and RECEIVERS / RECEPTORS OF THE HOLY SPIRIT are the only ones who have to do any waiting.

            JESUS was in THE BEGINNING for JESUS was THE WORD.

            Isaiah 66:1 ►
            Thus saith the LORD, The heaven is my throne, and the earth ismy footstool: where is the house that ye build unto me? and where is the place of my rest?

            When one is IN CHRIST ? They are at the right hand of GOD with CHRIST because they are IN CHRIST SPIRITUALLY.

            Matthew 5 ►
            Vows
            33 Again, ye have heard that it hath been said by them of old time, Thou shalt not forswear thyself, but shalt perform unto the Lord thine oaths:
            34 But I say unto you, Swear not at all; neither by heaven; for it is God’s throne:

            35 Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

            36 Neither shalt thou swear by thy head, because thou canst not make one hair white or black.

            37 But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more than these cometh of evil.

            Matthew 5:35 ►
            Nor by the earth; for it is his footstool: neither by Jerusalem; for it is the city of the great King.

            The verse you provided does not say what you have said.
            RECEIVE TRUTH or rebuke it, refute it or reject it.
            I don’t care – because you hated me in the past and you hate me now. So I understand what it’s like to not take KNOWLEDGE, LESSONS or WISDOM from someone you hate.

            Psalm 110:1 ►A Psalm of David. The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

            Matthew 22:44 ►The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool?

            Mark 12:36 ►For David himself said by the Holy Ghost, The LORD said to my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand, till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

            Luke 20:43 ►
            Till I make thine enemies thy footstool.

            Acts 2:35 ►Until I make thy foes thy footstool.

            Hebrews 1:13 ►But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

            Hebrews 10:13 ►From henceforth expecting till his enemies be made his footstool.

          • Bingo

            You are so hepped up on blasting all and sundry, you forget that you yourself need to be taken in hand for some of your poor understanding of scripture.

            Receive the verses I gave you as proof of what I have said and move along.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            Those verse you chose – DID NOT SAY what you said.
            That’s why I PASTED them there for all to see.
            You’re always paraphrasing scriptures.

            Just like before – instead of leaving me alone – you had to come and comment to my INITIAL POST – I proved you wrong then – I prove you wrong not ….

            go back to worshiping JESUS CHRIST ONLY and continue to not worship GOD or THE HOLY SPIRIT …

            as you stated 3 times in your last attack and harassment.
            You worship JESUS and ONLY JESUS.

          • Bingo

            EVERY verse I posted attested to what I said. They do not attest to your version, however.

            I asked you a legitimate question, but I see that was folly on my part. I have the word. I have the answers.

            You have a problem with reading comprehension—you only see what you want to see, and then when it has been brought to your attention that you are mistaken, you dig in for the long haul, and not without contempt. Nice going. Great testimony. Not.

          • http://www.1Latham.com/ Dennis C Latham

            Leave me alone you viper.

          • Bingo

            You’re the one with the forked tongue dripping with contempt. Pot calling kettle black!

          • Bingo

            What a maroon!

  • Chris T

    @ Bingo – Sadly this man was a wolf. MM “the gospel of the kingdom is the good news about a kingdom and the message we are supposed to be preaching is the good news of the kingdom and not about Calvary or the resurrection – these are not the good news.” Jesus is the kingdom. By faith in His blood we enter the kingdom. So to remove his blood from the message to say we should be talking about how we can have dominion over our emotions and our finances is a false gospel – Galatians chapter 1 Let him be accursed.

    • Bingo

      I see what you are saying, and I have my own reservations, also, but I am reticent to call Dr. Munroe a false teacher.

      • Chris T

        All the Apostles died poor men and they have there names carved within the foundations of Heaven.

        Money is a big indicator of a pastor’s motives.

        My advice is steer clear of all these people.

        • Bingo

          Well, this preacher is dead, now. Nevertheless, we cannot judge people because of their wealth—that just proves that those who judge have a problem with envy. Wealth is neutral. You can have money, as long as money doesn’t have you. Often the sign of the hand of God’s blessing on a work is that its finances are in order and that it has more than enough—in order to bless others. God will bless with abundance those who are faithful with little. They please Him.

          • Chris T

            That’s not what we are talking about here.

            You can see clearly this man’s motive was money. That’s why he and the others want to remove the ugly message of the cross and blood because that doesn’t bring the people in these days.

            No people- no tithes – no private plane and bleeched teeth.

          • Bingo

            Actually I am on topic.

          • Chris T

            Believe what you want.

            You can’t serve God and Mammon.

            Even unbelievers can tell who the real Christians are and who are the hucksters.

            You are defending these people??? What about Benny Jinn, TD Jokes, Joyce Mire and Joel Esteem do you defend them and say God has blessed them for being faithful or are they a fulfilment of 2 Peters False Teachers making merchandise of the message in their “churches”? Kenneth Copeland has boasted he is a billionaire!!!! Did you know that?

          • Bingo

            You are merely judging with false judgment.

            God does bless His servants when they have been faithful with little. He then gives more because—guess what? He has found them trustworthy to do what HE DESIRES with what He blesses them with.

            Money is not evil. What is evil is loving it over Jesus.

          • Chris Taylor
          • Bingo

            What a lovely person. Seems you’ve nothing good to say.

            2 Corinthians 9:8
            And God will generously provide all you need. Then you will always have everything you need and plenty left over to share with others.

        • Chris Taylor

          I leave you to your own condemnation.

          • Bingo

            You condemn everyone all by your pretty little self just fine.

        • Bingo

          Nowhere in the bible is poverty anything but a curse. Stop spreading the lie that poverty is something to clamor after. Followers of Christ can be assured by the bible that they have all they need and more.

          Money is only an indicator that there are nasty sorts out there who love to point their ugly fingers at those who have it by the grace of God to use for His purposes. The love of money brings out the envious and suspicious.

          I’ll take God’s advice—and my own—and steer clear of people who think like you.

        • 1PierreMontagne1

          2 Timothy 3 -5 5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

    • 1PierreMontagne1

      A less arrogant Preacher would have taken a commercial flight and still be alive.

  • Chris Taylor

    I hope he wasn’t a false teacher. Shame for his family.

    Many are wolves though.

  • Chris Taylor
  • D Haines

    Since Munroe’s daughter Charissa is alive and well despite this article’s claim that she perished in the crash, what other errors are contained in this “article”?

  • Parichag

    Being “born again,” is just another label. It’s used to refuse entrance, to exclude, to reduce, to intimidate. Jesus came that we might have life, not just in heaven but here on earth. This is not about wealth or prosperity but about being Christ’s body on the earth – doing the will of the Father – Emulating God, seeing, and knowing God. The more we worship Him, the more we shall be like Him. Our goal, as the church, is to be His likeness on the earth – this is the kingdom. Being Christ like is being a Christian – not some label or some spiritual practice – feeding the poor, healing the broken, celebrating goodness and mercy – these are the kingdom of God. Being Born again – without being Christ like, seems like an oxymoron. We know when we see Him we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He “truly” is. This is the goal of the kingdom – to be God’s likeness, His image, His representative, His hands, His feet, His standard bearer, on the earth.

  • Rose Ritokoski

    Being born again is confessing Jesus Christ as Saviour there is no other way to get into heaven without confessing Jesus Christ as Saviour there no other way to have your sins forgiven.

  • Randall Lowe

    Unfortunately, his wife and children were also victims. But this is what happens when you do not honor Jesus the son of God while claiming to be a preacher of God’s truth
    and instead teaching false ideas to the lost.

  • Breckmin

    why do Christians (brothers and sisters in Christ) fight so much with each other in these below comments? What ever happened to be gracious to one another when it comes to disagreement?

    • Bingo

      I think it’s because some of these articles are presented just to elicit the commentary of those who have an evil bent to their thinking and attitudes.

  • Dorcas Levins

    Sad, but I see that the reason he died was because he preached that we are to preach the kingdom and not Jesus. God mercifully took him to keep him from leading many astray. This should be a warning to preachers to preach only the truth and not try to change it! it is very dangerous. I hold his family in love and prayer.

    • Bingo

      One cannot preach the Kingdom without preaching about Jesus the King.

  • Gena B

    If God allowed this man who was preaching a false doctrine to die, I hope that people take this as an opportunity to discern the truth and glorify God. God is always in control.

  • SoundMind

    Myles Monroe was a great preacher. His teaching series on Citizenship in the Kingdom of God changed my thinking of my status in God’s and the world’s eyes. Knowing that I am already in God’s kingdom has empowered me immensely. I will, some fine day in paradise, stand in a long line to thank him personally. I am saddened at his parting.

  • BeYeHoly

    Jesus is the door. Jesus is the gate. Jesus is the way the truth and the life. No man comes to the Father but by Him. “The Kingdom of God” did not die on that painful cross for our sins, and rise from the dead… and sits at the right hand of the Father… continually interceeding for the saints (those that love Him and believe in Him). We do not worship a “Kingdom”. But the very King himself… King Jesus!

  • Roxanne Ask Me Will YOU

    tisk tisk – if i was associated with him– i’d be asking JESUS how come he Got slapped out of the sky- this man grew too big for his britches ! frightful to see some start with JESUS and fall away –

    • Bingo

      How disgusting. We are not to speak of the brethren with such hatred. That’s the devil’s job, and you are doing it, and he’s the one who’s too big for his britches. Speaking so haughtily reveals your pants have become a little too tight, too.

      • Valarie Roxanne Johnson

        JESUS please help this Bingo he seem Lost

  • JudeThree

    He was a false teacher and has led many away from the truth of Jesus Christ and therein has spit in the face of a Perfect and Holy God. Am I saddened, no. Do I gloat, no. Do I hope those who followed this guy instead of Christ finally will have the chance to hear the truth, yes I am.

    • Bingo

      I believe he has led many to salvation in Jesus Christ. You need to stop denigrating a dead man.

  • Tony Robinson

    “The preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness” – the Apostle Paul, the same man that was also moved by God’s Holy Spirit to write about the sinful depravity of same sex attractions.

  • Royal Rican Prince

    He is sadly now in hell. Period.

  • Dio Jones

    The falling away is everywhere… No wonder 1900 started the era of the Laodicean church… any doctrines started in the late 1800’s through today I would be VERY VERY WARY of…

    Always be a light that is .shininginthedark.

  • Daniel M Winyard

    God knows… so much opinion…. so little time… sigh.

  • Gena B

    Just from reading his statements on ‘the gospel’ perhaps God felt that he was doing more harm than good for the cause. People don’t like to talk about it but God does take people out of this world in a flash at His own discretion. I think God in all his loving mercy allows people to be here on earth for a while in order to repent. But God’s patience can run out. Looking only from the outside it seems that God knew this man has hardened his heart. Perhaps it will be a wake up call for those around him who shared his misguided beliefs.